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« Reply #3750 on: August 24, 2018, 11:22:57 am »
As predicted

Carrie Muskat  @CarrieMuskat   14m14 minutes ago
#Cubs roster move: Mills called up from Iowa and Maples sent back

If I'm not mistaken, Maples still earns the MLB minimum salary for the entire month of August.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #3751 on: August 24, 2018, 12:21:32 pm »
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« Reply #3752 on: August 24, 2018, 05:40:04 pm »
Apologies to Ron!  But just for fun, I looked at the standings to check on the WildCard status!   (You know in the hypothetical that the Cardinals don't lose any more games and win the division.) 

So, in the ***hypothetical*** that the red-hot Cardinals were to win the division, what would be the situation for the Cubs to hang in for the wildcard?

Not counting Cardinals, Cubs lead is:
3.5 Rockies
4 Brewers
5 Philly
7.5 Dodgers

That's pretty solid. 

The Cardinals still have series with Rockies, Brewers, Dodgers and Braves, as well as Cubs, so if they are winning all of their games, some of the wildcard chasers are going to lose some.  :):) .

Would be nicer, of course, if the Rockies won 2 or 3 this weekend. 
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« Reply #3753 on: August 24, 2018, 06:42:48 pm »
Wow - Hamels averaged 93.9 on the 4-seam fastball yesterday.
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« Reply #3754 on: August 24, 2018, 07:07:21 pm »
I'd anticipated Alec Mills returning to Iowa in favor of a reliever.  It looks like that is now on hold.

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Mills struck out eight while filling in for Mike Montgomery, who is on the disabled list with left shoulder inflammation. Montgomery threw a bullpen session before the win and is scheduled for another one on Sunday.

"We'll wait 'til Sunday to figure out what we want to do next," manager Joe Maddon said. "But Alec really permitted us to think different thoughts."
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« Reply #3755 on: August 24, 2018, 07:08:20 pm »
If Montgomery can't go, Mills has to be the guy for at least one more start - 23 games in 23 days.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #3756 on: August 24, 2018, 07:10:02 pm »
Quote from: Deeg on August 24, 2018, 06:42:48 pm
Wow - Hamels averaged 93.9 on the 4-seam fastball yesterday.

Deeg - you referred to Hamels as our Verlander recently, I think. It's early yet, but right now that doesn't seem an outrageous statement.  It also led me to go see what the Astros gave up to get him (given how little the Cubs did for Hamels).  I was surprised to read an article that said Verlander had been holding out in approving the trade because the Cubs were his first choice and he was hoping a deal would be made with them.  I don't fault the Cubs for being unwilling to give up  whatever was being demanded, but my goodness, imagine him in a Cubs uniform.
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« Reply #3757 on: August 24, 2018, 07:23:24 pm »
Oh, yeah - that was well-documented at the time.  Verlander definitely wanted to come to Chicago, and last year certainly would have played out differently had we traded for him instead of Houston.  In a dream world, we'd have done so before the deadline and never made the Quintana trade.
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« Reply #3758 on: August 24, 2018, 08:38:57 pm »
 Verlander has a 4.73 ERA in the first half and was owed $60+ million. People would have gone blastic on this board.
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« Reply #3759 on: August 24, 2018, 08:43:15 pm »
Think that entirely would've depended on the price.

No assurances Verlander is this dominant somewhere other than Houston anyway.
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« Reply #3760 on: August 24, 2018, 10:31:55 pm »
I wouldn't have gone blastic.  I remember hoping for Verlander.
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« Reply #3761 on: August 24, 2018, 10:32:27 pm »
Bullshi t.  Plenty of people on this board were arguing for a Verlander acquisition (including me). You can look it up.
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« Reply #3762 on: August 24, 2018, 11:05:27 pm »
I'll admit that I wasn't that interested in getting Verlander. He has exceeded any reasonable expectations with Houston. Right now, the Astros have pitching staff magic, there's no chance Verlander would've pitched this well anywhere else.

The idea that Verlander would've been a better acquisition at the time than Quintana is ludicrous. Quintana was 28 years old, and by any measure had been one of the top pitchers in baseball over the past 5 years. Verlander was 34 years old, having a mediocre year, and looked like he was in decline.
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« Reply #3763 on: August 25, 2018, 01:07:47 am »
Quote from: brjones on August 24, 2018, 11:05:27 pm
I'll admit that I wasn't that interested in getting Verlander. He has exceeded any reasonable expectations with Houston. Right now, the Astros have pitching staff magic, there's no chance Verlander would've pitched this well anywhere else.

The idea that Verlander would've been a better acquisition at the time than Quintana is ludicrous. Quintana was 28 years old, and by any measure had been one of the top pitchers in baseball over the past 5 years. Verlander was 34 years old, having a mediocre year, and looked like he was in decline.

"A better acquisition" reflects not just the player, but the cost.  Verlander was averaging 95 at Detroit last season, K-ing better than a man per inning and allowed 153 hits in 172 IP.  There were a lot of reasons to think in a contender situation, he still had it to be a very good pitcher indeed.  This is not hindsight - it's what myself and some others were saying at the time.  And it's really not ludicrous to have suggested that he could be better than Quintana for the next couple of years, irrespective of the prospect cost, considering that Quintana isn't a TORP in the first place.  And there's certainly no reason to think he's only succeeding now because he's in Houston - he's at 95.2 on the fastball and throwing as well as he has in his entire career - that suggestion is what's ludicrous.


There was some talk of Verlander to the Cubs even before Theo jumped the queue with the Quintana deal, though the bulk of it came after the deadline.  Obviously if the pro-Verlander voices had suspected Theo would be willing to give up what he did for a pitcher like Quintana, the argument for Verlander would have been an even more compelling one.



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« Reply #3764 on: August 25, 2018, 08:46:10 am »
Verlander in the first half 

8.43 K/9, 4.39 BB/9, 4.29 FIP, 5.03 xFIP, 104.2 IP, 108 H, wOBA .327.

He was bad in the first half and didn’t turn it around untillate July/August. The fastball velocity was the only encouraging thing about him.

I liked Verlander as a trade target, but at the time of the Quintana trade Verlander was a better target only in retrospect.
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