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Re: Cubs in '21
« Reply #2085 on: July 29, 2021, 07:50:17 pm »
The Cubs are not going to be spending like the Yankees or Dodgers, period.  And for the next couple of years they're likely going to be in full tank mode.  Even if you assume Ricketts will ever threaten the LT again now that he has his ring (which is a very valid question) it's not going to happen anytime soon.  By the last two years of Hosmer's deal Heyward will be off the books in any event.  If taking that on gets you a legit Top 100 prospect (and you're not doing it otherwise) it's the right thing to do.

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« Reply #2086 on: July 29, 2021, 07:58:11 pm »
I'm not taking on Hosmer for Gore, Campusano, or Hassell.  But, for Abrams, they can have Kimbrel and I'll take all of Hosmer's contract.
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« Reply #2087 on: July 29, 2021, 08:06:38 pm »
The difference between a back of the top 100 prospects and prospect 250 is a lot less then the difference in value between 50 and a top 5 prospect.

Hassell is a fun OF, but he isnt worth 4 years of suck.

The Cubs have been at or near the luxury tax since from 2016-2020. Ricketts sucks, but they have spent money post WS.

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« Reply #2088 on: July 29, 2021, 08:22:45 pm »
Jake Jewell will have #65.  His nickname is "Bob".

Very disappointed to see him bringing that garbage number with him from the Angels.  Maybe I'll forgive him if he pitches well.

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« Reply #2089 on: July 29, 2021, 08:55:08 pm »
CUBluejays, I like your stuff, but am not clear why you say "Ricketts sucks."  His Dad sucks, but seems like Tom has been a solid leader for us.

Of course, I had 50+ years as a diehard Cub fan before he arrived, so I'll offer that I haven't had the bar set super high for Cub ownership.

But, let's not forget, he was the guy who was smart enough to bring in Theo AND get the hell out of his way. 

A World Championship, which seemed unattainable to some of us 10 years ago, might well not have happened by now with any other owner.
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« Reply #2090 on: July 29, 2021, 09:25:08 pm »
Ricketts is just the family and they have sucked post Darvish signing.

Since Darvish was signed they have not invested additional money in the team. The Cubs only ended up with Kimbrel because of Zobrists ex-wife. The Cubs dropped their payroll around $60 million this year. They where the only team that was trying to win to do that. The budget is set by Ricketts family and I 100% believe they are using money from the Cubs to pay for Rickettsville. This tear down doesnt have to happen to the extent it will, but it is happening because that is what the family wants.
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« Reply #2091 on: July 29, 2021, 09:48:01 pm »
Thats short-term stuff. And unfair.

The big picture is that the Ricketts took over a floundering organization, hired first-rate folks to run baseball operations, and within a few years won a friggin World Series!

Thereafter, until this season, they have been big payroll spenders and on-field contenders.

And, Covid has played a big role in the current cutback, as Cubs were way more debt leveraged because of the Wrigleyville collateral stuff. Yes, they are investors trying to make money and the latter has now clashed with baseball operations, given Covid, in a way not helpful to winning.

And, Marquee probably isnt doing much for bottom line, yet at least.

So, yes, the current spending situation is disappointing. But, lets not reinvent the world every couple of years. The big picture has been a huge success.
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« Reply #2092 on: July 29, 2021, 09:52:00 pm »
Thank you, CUBluejays.
 
Yeah, I'd certainly agree that you'd think Cubs could have found a way to hang on to Darvish and make a better run, but does all of that fall on Ricketts?  I'm not sure a more creative front office leader couldn't have found a way. Theo always was persuasive enough to get the budget or whatever else he needed (though budget issues are probably why Theo left).  Still, the early returns on Jed don't appear real great (tho' that story is in chapter 1 - he certainly could have held on to Schwarber rather than use about the same money for Joc P, though lack of starting pitching is certainly what sank the ship. 

I'd also point out that we had a payroll significantly larger than MIlwaukee's AGAIN.  However, Milwaukee has David Stearns! 

Man, I'd flip Jed for that guy in a heartbeat! (if only)

I'll hope Cubs will keep their ear to the ground and go after Stearns if there's ever an opportunity.  Stearns sure seems like the real deal and, at the end of the day, great baseball leadership is WAY more important than any player or two or three.

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« Reply #2093 on: July 29, 2021, 09:54:42 pm »
And, Reb, I'd certainly agree with your comment that the big picture of the Ricketts' ownership has been a real success!  (so far)

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« Reply #2094 on: July 29, 2021, 10:09:02 pm »
The Dodgers payroll is almost double what the Cubs are spending this year.  The Ricketts family is being cheap and not investing in this team. The whole point of being a big market team is to be able to out spend your opponents by obscene amounts. FWIW the Brewers have $70 million on the books for next year before arbitration. The Cubs if the give a contract to all of their arbitration players are on the hook for $80 million. My guess is that the payroll next year will be lower than this year.

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« Reply #2095 on: July 29, 2021, 10:09:21 pm »
So I guess it's safe to assume that tomorrow's gonna be a very interesting day.

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« Reply #2096 on: July 29, 2021, 10:15:30 pm »
I think Javy is 50/50.  The rest are likely gone. The only thing Ricketts is doing is paying salary for prospects. Small things I guess.

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« Reply #2097 on: July 29, 2021, 10:40:00 pm »
Keith Law likes the Rizzo trade for the Cubs.

In outfielder Kevin Alcantara and righty Alexander Vizcaíno, the Cubs get a pair of faraway prospects with upside.
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« Reply #2098 on: July 29, 2021, 10:46:52 pm »
The Dodgers payroll is almost double what the Cubs are spending this year.  The Ricketts family is being cheap and not investing in this team. The whole point of being a big market team is to be able to out spend your opponents by obscene amounts. FWIW the Brewers have $70 million on the books for next year before arbitration. The Cubs if the give a contract to all of their arbitration players are on the hook for $80 million. My guess is that the payroll next year will be lower than this year.

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Dodgers now seem to be the Steinbrenner era Yankee spenders. Dont think thats the bar for anybody else.

In any case, Cubs payroll was higher than Dodgers in 2019 and 2018. Ricketts even outspent the Yankees one of those recent seasons.

But, the larger point is the year-to- year contention and a World Series. If thats terrible, Ill take it.

Thats the past, granted.

Going forward, well see. Lets state the obvious. Will take excellent player development, good decisions by the baseball people, and smart spending from ownership. All three-and more. Remains to be seen how these play out.

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« Reply #2099 on: July 29, 2021, 10:59:06 pm »
After the deadline passed I think the Cubs need to lay out a clear roadmap of what they are doing.  If the plan doesnt involve spending a lot money in the off season with a higher payroll then Im really struggling with what the point of keeping Hendricks and Willson is.