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Dave23

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Hot Stove 2011
« on: November 01, 2011, 11:38:17 am »
Hope springs eternal...

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2011, 11:38:47 am »
Trade Jes to NSBB.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2011, 11:41:20 am by Cactus »

JR

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2011, 11:40:57 am »
Koyie Hill for Matt Kemp

Deeg

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2011, 11:59:04 am »
Trade Jes to NSBB.

You'd have to eat the entire contract and throw in a couple of A prospects.

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 01:04:19 pm »

Ron

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2011, 01:49:44 pm »
Pessimist.

davep

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2011, 01:52:09 pm »
Koyie Hill for Matt Kemp

That would be foolish.  LA is merely selling high.

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2011, 02:16:06 pm »
I didn't bother much at all last season...

Should I start now?

davep

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2011, 02:52:59 pm »
No.

brjones

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2011, 04:26:08 pm »
Ok, first crazy trade proposal…I think it makes sense on paper, but would have about a one in a million chance of happening in real life because it includes too many moving parts (3 teams and 4 bad contracts).  But it’s pre-hot stove season, so speculation is fun…

To Cubs: Alex Rios
To Mariners: Adam Dunn + a lot of money
To White Sox: Alfonso Soriano & Chone Figgins

I think all teams could benefit from the switching out of players:

Cubs: Rios hasn’t been as good a hitter as Soriano, but has similar tools at the plate.  More importantly, he’s more athletic on defense and the bases, so a rebound anywhere close to his career stats would give him real value in the NL.

Mariners: They dump a player who they badly want gone.  If Dunn can rebound partially back to his pre-2011 form (something like .325 OBP, 20-25 HR), he really helps the Mariners with their lack of power.

White Sox: Soriano was clearly the best hitter of these four in 2011—it wasn’t even close.  So they get the best hitter, and can hide his defense as a DH.  Figgins is just a thrown-in to even out the deal, but maybe he still has something left as a supersub in a more hitter-friendly ballpark.

The biggest problem is the money.  The Cubs save $6 million each year 2012-2014.  The White Sox come out roughly even in the first two years, but save $9 million the third year.  But the Mariners would owe $6 million more in each of the first two years, and $15 million more in the third year.  To make this work, the Cubs and White Sox would probably have to send most (if not all) of their savings to the Mariners (meaning the Mariners would essentially get Dunn for free in 2014).  I doubt the teams would be willing to do that, even though a change of scenery could benefit all players & teams.

Dave23

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2011, 04:30:47 pm »
I have a friend who follows baseball (and the Cardinals) the way we all follow the Cubs.

He is convinced that the Cards competition for Pujols is...the Rangers. The more I think about it...they have a ton of pitching depth in their system...they could take CJ Wilson money and give it to Pujols...and get a better glove and bat at 1B, and having a valuable trade chip in Young, or move him elsewhere...

He also thinks Oquendo is their next manager.

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2011, 04:34:15 pm »
Dave, I agree.  That's the scuttlebutt on Cardinal boards.

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2011, 04:35:51 pm »
I was listening to the ESPN podcast earlier today, and Keith Law was certain that the Rangers would go hard after either Pujols of Fielder.

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2011, 04:51:27 pm »
I still expect Josh Vitters to be traded.

brjones

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Re: Hot Stove 2011
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2011, 02:11:57 pm »
Fangraphs article about Martin Prado's value, which concludes by determining he's worth more than he'll get paid but shouldn't cost much in a trade:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/martin-prado-on-the-move/

I think the Cubs should make a strong push for him right now.  From 2008 until he went down with a staph infection in June of this year, he was pretty similar to the player Mark DeRosa was when he was with the Cubs.  This article makes it sound like Prado might be available for something like one of Flaherty/LeMahieu and a second lesser player.  With as much uncertainty there is with this team in all the positions he can play, it would be nice to have a DeRosa-like player on this team.