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Jes Beard

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Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2014, 08:35:34 pm »
The future of ObamaCare it it is not repealed and instead serves (as Obama wanted) as the first step to a complete government takeover of health care:  http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/14/nhs-nurses-stretch-breaking-point-report

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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2014, 09:10:08 pm »
I cant repost the pics. I cant cut and past the pics. If you can you are better than I am at it. All th writing will post if I repost it but not the pics. To enjoy the pics you need the e-mail

 I know that. What I am saying is repost the original e-mail and I can hunt down the pics that wernt posted and post them.

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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2014, 09:32:36 pm »
 
 How will money be moved ?
 
 Bit Coin ?
 
 Space Coin ?
 
 Dakota ?

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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2014, 09:44:45 pm »
We just **** canned the old politics thread because it was enormous and was skipping. 

Plus if he e-mails it to you can then post it if you so choose or just enjoy the pics yourself. 

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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2014, 10:38:35 pm »
 
 So anyways Wsh repost the e-mail from your friend because the info was in there of the pics he posted that could not post.
 
 I need that info to post them.
 
 BTW ... the CHAT(at the top of the page) line works.
 
 You could actually talk to one another.
 
 Imagine yourselves in REAL TIME conversing.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubjIc3qLPds

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Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2014, 01:51:38 am »

 

Take the time to view all of these photos and facts. Is long.

Amazing WW2 Aircraft Facts.

On average 6600 American service men died per MONTH, during WW2 (about 220 a day).

People who were not around during WW2 have no understanding of the magnitude.  This gives some insight.

276,000 aircraft manufactured in the US.
43,000 planes lost overseas, including 23,000 in combat. 
14,000 lost in the continental U.S.


The staggering cost of aircraft in 1945 dollars

B-17       $204,370.     P-40       $44,892.
B-24       $215,516.     P-47       $85,578.
B-25       $142,194.     P-51       $51,572.
B-26       $192,426.     C-47       $88,574.
B-29       $605,360.     PT-17     $15,052.
P-38         $97,147.     AT-6       $22,952.


From Germany 's invasion of Poland , Sept. 1, 1939,  until Japan 's surrender on Sept. 2, 1945 = 2,433 days.   
America lost an average of 170 planes a day.

A  B-17 carried 2,500 gallons of high octane fuel and carried a crew of 10 airmen.

9.7 billion gallons of gasoline consumed.
108 million hours flown.
460 thousand million rounds of aircraft ammo fired overseas.
7.9 million bombs dropped  overseas.
2.3 million combat flights.
299,230 aircraft used.
808,471 aircraft engines used.
799,972 propellers.

WWII   MOST-PRODUCED COMBAT AIRCRAFT

Russian  Ilyushin IL-2 Sturmovik                                  36,183
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Yakolev Yak-1,-3,-7, -9                               31,000
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Messerschmitt BF-109                                  30,480
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Focke-Wulf Fw-190                                      29,001
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Supermarine Spitfire                                     20,351
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Convair B-24/PB4Y Liberator/Privateer       18,482
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Republic P-47 Thunderbolt                          15,686
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North American P-51 Mustang                     15,875
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Junkers Ju-88                                              15,000
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Hawker Hurricane                                        14,533
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Curtiss P-40 Warhawk                                 13,738
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Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress                         12,731
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Vought F4U Corsair                                      12,571
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Grumman F6F Hellcat                                  12,275
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Petlyakov Pe-2                                             11,400
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Lockheed P-38 Lightning                              10,037
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Mitsubishi A6M Zero                                    10,449
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North American B-25 Mitchell                        9,984
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Lavochkin LaGG-5                                         9,920



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Grumman TBM Avenger                                9,837
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Bell P-39 Airacobra                                        9,584
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Nakajima Ki-43 Oscar                                    5,919
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DeHavilland Mosquito                                   7,780
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Avro Lancaster                                              7,377
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Heinkel He-111                                              6,508
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Handley-Page Halifax                                     6,176
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Messerschmitt Bf-110                                    6,150
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Lavochkin LaGG-7                                         5,753
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Boeing B-29 Superfortress                            3,970
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Short  Stirling                                                  2,383
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The US lost 14,903 pilots, aircrew and support personnel plus 13,873 airplanes ---inside the continental United States.  There were 52,651 aircraft accidents (6,039 involving fatalities) in 45 months.
Average 1,170 aircraft accidents per month---- nearly 40 a day.


It gets worse.....
Almost 1,000  planes disappeared en route from the US to foreign climes.  But  43,581 aircraft were lost overseas including 22,948 on combat missions (18,418 in Europe) and 20,633 due to non-combat causes overseas.

In a single 376 plane raid in August 1943,  60 B-17s were shot down. That was a 16 percent loss rate and meant
600 empty bunks in England.  In 1942-43, it was statistically impossible for bomber crews to complete the intended 25-mission tour in Europe.

Pacific theatre losses were far less (4,530 in combat) owing to smaller forces committed.  The B-29 mission against Tokyo on May 25, 1945, cost 26 Superfortresses, 5.6 percent of the 464 dispatched from the Marianas.

On  average, 6,600 American servicemen died per month during WWII, about 220 a day.  Over 40,000 airmen were killed in combat and another 18,000 wounded.  Some 12,000 missing men were declared dead, including those "liberated" by the Soviets but never returned.  More than 41,000 were captured.  Half of the 5,400 held by the Japanese died in captivity, compared with one-tenth in German hands. Total combat casualties were  121,867.

The US forces peak strength was in 1944 with 2,372,000 personnel, nearly twice the previous year's figure.

Losses were huge---but so were production totals.   From 1941 through 1945, American industry delivered more than 276,000 military aircraft.  That was not only for US Army, Navy and Marine Corps, but also for allies as diverse as Britain, Australia, China and Russia.   

Our enemies took massive losses.  Through much of 1944, the Luftwaffe sustained hemorrhaging of  25% of aircrews and 40 planes a month.


Experience Level:
Uncle Sam sent many men to war with minimum training.  Some fighter pilots entered combat in 1942 with less than 1 hour in their assigned aircraft..
The 357th Fighter Group (The Yoxford Boys) went to England in late 1943 having trained on P-39s, then flew Mustangs.   They never saw a Mustang until the first combat mission. 

With the arrival of new aircraft, many units transitioned in combat.  The attitude was, "They all have a stick and a throttle.  Go fly `em."   When the famed 4th Fighter Group converted from P-47s to P-51s in Feb 44, there was no time to stand down for an orderly transition.   The Group commander, Col. Donald Blakeslee, said,
"You can learn to fly 51s on the way to the target". 
 
A future P-47 ace said, "I was sent to England to die."  Many bomber crews were still learning their trade.  Of Jimmy Doolittle's 15pilots on the April 1942  Tokyo raid, only five had won their wings before 1941.   All but one of the 16 co-pilots were less than a year out of flight school.

In WW2,  safety took a back seat to combat.  The AAF's worst accident rate was recorded by the A-36 Invader version of the P-51: a staggering 274 accidents per 100,000 flying hours.   Next worst were the P-39 at245, the P-40 at 188, and the P-38 at 139.  All were Allison powered.

Bomber wrecks were fewer but more expensive.  The B-17 and B-24 averaged 30 and 35 accidents per 100,000
flight hours respectively-- a horrific figure considering that from 1980 to2000 the Air Force's major mishap rate
was less than 2.

The B-29 was even worse at 40 per 100,000 hours; the world's most sophisticated, most capable and most expensive bomber was too urgently needed to be able to stand down for mere safety reasons.

(Compare:  when a $2.1 billion B-2 crashed in 2008, the Air Force declared a two-month "safety pause").

The B-29 was no better for maintenance. Although the R3350 was known as a complicated, troublesome power-plant, only half the mechanics had previous experience with it.   

Navigators:
Perhaps the greatest success story concerned Navigators.  The Army graduated some 50,000 during WW2.

Many had never flown out of sight of land before leaving "Uncle Sugar" for a war zone.  Yet they found their way across oceans and continents without getting lost or running out of fuel - a tribute to the AAF's training.

At its height in mid-1944, the USAAF had 2.6 million people and nearly 80,000 aircraft of all types. 
Today the US Air Force employs 327,000 active personnel (plus 170,000 civilians) with 5,500+manned and perhaps 200 unmanned aircraft.  That's about 12% of the manpower and 7% of the airplanes of the WW2 peak.

SUMMATION:
Another war like that of 1939-45 is doubtful, as fighters and bombers have given way to helicopters and remotely-controlled drones, eg. over Afghanistan and Iraq.  But within our living memory, men left the earth in 1,000-plane formations and fought major battles five miles high, leaving a legacy that remains timeless.



 

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Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2014, 01:55:45 am »
According to the bottom there are 29 attachments (the pics). Those wont cut and paste. I still think you need to get the whole e-mail to see the pics. That's 29 planes JJ.............29. Oh well have fun

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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2014, 10:31:13 am »
When I was stationed in Schrevesport, LA in 1966 I served with a guy named Frank Jones, who was a Warrent Officer that had served since the beginning of WWII.  He told me this story.

From 1942 to 1944 he was at a training base that trained pilots.  I wish I could remember which one, but all I remember was that it was in texas.  One of his jobs was to purchase land and create a cemetery for pilots that died in crashes during training.  He said that at the time he left, there were more than 3 thousand graves just at that one base.

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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2014, 12:22:31 pm »
Jes...the biggest problem with ObamaCare (and there are massive amounts of problems) is the cost....we can't afford it, we NEVER could afford it...it is increasing our deficeit significantly.

Obama PROMISED ObamaCare would not cost 1 penny more than $900 billion. HE LIED. It's already estimated at $2.6 trillion AND RISING. Money we do not have.

Are we supposed to keep borrowing until we go broke? and we will one day.

People should pay what they can for insurance. What happened to working hard and getting a head? 97% of country wants a hand out. I am sorry if healthcare is not affordable - but it's not somehtng our gvernment can offer - we can't afford it. + WHY should we be paying for people who make bad choices - smoking, eating, daredevils, drinkers, drug addicts - those folks should be on their own,

"if you like your coverage, you can keep your coverage"- LIE

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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2014, 03:14:27 pm »
It is going to get very interesting when all these "formerly uninsured" (  it's bs but ok I'll play) realize what a deductable is and finally understand that they will be paying the first 2-5 grand out of their own pocket before the insurance kicks in the first dollar.

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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2014, 03:19:47 pm »

 I know that. What I am saying is repost the original e-mail and I can hunt down the pics that wernt posted and post them.

I cant do that, I did all I can do without an e-mail addy to forward it to. If that's not satisfactory you need to provide me with an e-mail addy of your choice. Preferably via the message system we have above so that your e-mail addy and my e-mail addy are secure.

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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2014, 04:21:11 pm »
Jes...the biggest problem with ObamaCare (and there are massive amounts of problems) is the cost....we can't afford it, we NEVER could afford it...it is increasing our deficeit significantly.

I strongly disagree.  The biggest problem is that it is a major step toward socialism and a massive expansion of the power of government.  The problems with its cost are insignificant in comparison.

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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2014, 04:26:55 pm »
Yes, it makes us right on a par with Europe and their socialized medicine and their bankruptcy issues.

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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2014, 04:44:11 pm »
Ahhh...don't like the numbers?  Just change the way they're counted.

http://news.yahoo.com/census-bureau-picked-bad-time-change-counts-uninsured-173556286.html

This is the kind of announcement every Obamacare enrollment truther has been waiting for — the Census Bureau is changing the questions it asks about health insurance, to the point that the data won't be comparable to past years, according to the New York Times. An Obama administration official told Vox's Sarah Kliff that this will affect census data starting with the 2013 data released this fall, meaning we'll have one year of pre-Obamacare data with the new questions. Still, the Census Bureau said “it is coincidental and unfortunate timing” that the new questions are lining up so closely to the start of the health care law.

Census officials said it will be difficult to determine how much of the change is attributable to Obamacare. That change will likely be a lower number of uninsured. “We are expecting much lower numbers just because of the questions and how they are asked,” Brett J. O’Hara, chief of the health statistics branch at the Census Bureau, told the Times.