Author Topic: Pujols to the Cubs?  (Read 4056 times)

Chris27

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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2011, 09:09:01 am »
I assumed people could figure out that I wasn't talking about players who are:

A) Signed to enormous contracts

B) Well past their primes

C) 70

My apologies. Next time I'll list every current, former and deceased all-time great so there's no confusion.


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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2011, 09:19:41 am »
Good poll.  There are 7 posters who would offer him some kind of huge contract, and there are 7 posters who wouldn't offer him more than stale pizza and warm beer, with most of them not even wanting to offer him that.

I'm actually kind of surprised it's right at 50-50 whether or not to make him an offer.

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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2011, 09:31:25 am »
I'm kind of surprised too.  A couple months ago over at the old board, we talked about Pujols and it seemed like only a couple of us had any concerns about giving him whatever he wants. 

I don't want Pujols for anything close to the $300 million he's going to ask for.  But if he'd accept that 5 year deal, I'd think it would be a no-brainer to sign him.

Jes Beard

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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2011, 09:35:24 am »
I assumed people could figure out that I wasn't talking about players who are:

A) Signed to enormous contracts

B) Well past their primes

C) 70

My apologies. Next time I'll list every current, former and deceased all-time great so there's no confusion.




In other words you assumed people would have the sense to ignore what you said and to realize you did not actually mean it.  Next time I will try to remember to do that.


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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2011, 09:36:01 am »
Pujols in this lineup would set a career record for walks.  Why would anyone pitch to him?

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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2011, 09:41:36 am »
Hey, not only would I go 7/210, but I would give Pujols 8/240 if it took that to get it done.

This guy is an altogether different category, and I would put him in the Ted Williams/Barry Bonds were-really-good-at-age 39 category.

I guess the $300 number has scared some folks off, but let's not lose sight of the fact this guy is a legendary-type player.

I'd rather have Pujols at 8/240 than Fielder at 8/180 (the Teixiera deal as a comp).

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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2011, 09:53:56 am »
From an ESPN story on Lance Berkman doing so well

The big start prompts discussion that Berkman could be the Cardinals' first baseman next year. Pujols will be a free agent for the first time in his career after rejecting a multiyear deal that included a percentage of ownership at the start of free agency, and the Cardinals have a second challenge to a top-heavy payroll with pitcher Chris Carpenter also due for free agency.

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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2011, 10:18:58 am »
but let's not lose sight of the fact this guy is a legendary-type player.

Let's also not lose sight of the fact that any resources spent on Pujols could not be spent elsewhere, that the later (and quite possibly even middle) years of the contract would almost certainly end up with him seriously overpaid, and that the Cubs are a long way from being a team where Pujols would get them to the top, and forget about putting them over the top.

If the Cubs had begun rebuilding a few years back, and were a solid team at this point, then Pujols might make sense, but this team is crap, and has a long way to go before adding Pujols would make them a truly strong team.

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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2011, 10:19:55 am »
would have the sense to ignore what you said and to realize you did not actually mean it.

It's called common sense, Jes.

But if you don't have any of that and want to pretend that Pete Rose is someone I would currently like to sign, by all means knock yourself out. No really, knock yourself out.

And before you parse that, yes, I mean literally hit yourself with something.

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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2011, 11:25:08 am »
Chris, I am not the one who mentioned Rose.  Dave did.  I specifically mentioned ARod, who is still very productive and is an all-time great.

I made what I believe was a reasonable attempt to get you to clarify what you had said, without being absurd.  Instead of making any effort to clarify, you have chosen to attack, and at times (as with your Rose comment above) to attack based on things others wrote, not me.

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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2011, 12:15:51 pm »
You know, it's OK if you let the other guy have the last word.  Just sayin'.

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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2011, 01:24:16 pm »
^^^ What JR said....  :)

Besides, I like br's scenario....

Ideally, the Yankees miss the playoffs, decide they have to have Pujols, and are forced to dump Teixeira for much less than he's worth when he refuses DH so they can move his salary.  Then the Cubs pick Tex up for 5 years/$23M per year (plus a couple of mid-level prospects) instead of Pujols for 8-10 years/$30M per year.

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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2011, 01:46:28 pm »
You can't say the Cubs wouldn't contend with Pujols in the line-up.  You don't know that.  A true middle of the order hitter makes everyone around him better.  The 1 and 2 hitters see more fastballs, the hitters behind him are hitting with a man on base more than 40% of the time.  He also plays excellent defense.  Winning baseball is about talent but it is also about confidence.  Pujols would bring that.  I'm not saying signing him guarantees a WS ring but for those who automatically assume his presence wouldn't be a game changer, there's no way to know that.  All that being said, I wouldn't give him any more than 6 years.  Those who mention players doing well into their late 30's aren't figuring in PED's.  Since baseball finally starting testing for real you see players fading in their mid-30's pretty much on cue.

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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2011, 02:10:07 pm »
I feel soooo sorry for Jes' wife. Chris, he would argue with a door knob

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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2011, 02:11:11 pm »
That's because a door knob could go either way.