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Dave23

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Ryan Dempster
« on: July 26, 2012, 09:26:12 am »
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davep

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2012, 09:28:36 am »
We should withhold judgement until all of the details are known...

JR

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2012, 09:30:34 am »
I voted for 3 but just as easily could have voted for 1, with a little bit of 4 thrown in too.  To me, both #1 and #3 apply pretty equally.

I do agree we don't know all of the facts yet, and something could come out that he misled the Cubs on his willingness to go to Atlanta.  Still, innocent until proven guilty applies, and even knowing most of what we know now, though, I don't even really think he's guilty of anything. 
« Last Edit: July 26, 2012, 09:44:43 am by JR »

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2012, 10:03:00 am »
I guess that's the crux of my argument on Dempster's side all along.  He has 10/5 rights that he's earned and he has a right to steer the trade discussion to the best destination for him possible.  And quite frankly, after reading his comments about the "hammer", I don't even think he's been dishonest with the fans about his intentions.  He said he was going to be looking out for himself in this thing, and he's not a bad person for wanting to so.  After all, if he's not looking after his best interests in this, who is?

Unfortunately Dempster's interests don't 100% coincide with the best interests of my favorite baseball team.  I wish they did, but I respect the fact that they don't.  It doesn't make Dempster a bad person or unreasonably selfish that they don't.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2012, 10:03:41 am »
Voted for #4.  Would have liked to vote for #3 and to some extent #1 as well.  But #4 is the most compelling to me.

Jes Beard

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2012, 10:05:21 am »
What a disappointment.... I thought this topic was going to be where Deeg and jiggs would post their offers to find a hitman to take out Dempster....

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2012, 10:54:04 am »
There are more people fighting the good fight than I thought.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2012, 11:14:51 am »
I'm pissed at dempster.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2012, 11:58:17 am »
Definitely #4.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2012, 02:12:35 pm »
Well said, JR.  I'm with you.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2012, 02:26:22 pm »
Heh, all four seem to apply to me.  Definitely #2.  He certainly indicated that he'd be traded, there's strong indication that he communicated with Theo/Hoyer that Atlanta was pretty positive.  Sure seems to me that he misled management and is very deserving of criticism for doing that.  We can wonder how badly he misled management, but we know he very much misled the fans.  Bonk bonk.  That said, #4 applies (who knows what other layers apply), #3 applies (he had the right, so can't fault him for that).  But rights don't make it right to mislead.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2012, 02:29:14 pm »
All of them, but mostly 4.  Like P2, I agree with what JR said, but a part of me feels some of #2 as well.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2012, 03:35:03 pm »
I voted for #2. There's all sorts of evidence that Theo and Jed had in-depth conversations with Dempster, then built their entire trade deadline strategy around his expressed wishes. Whether he lied from the outset, got cold feet or just felt like being the hammer doesn't matter to me. He said he'd do what was best for the Cubs, then didn't. I have no respect for Ryan Dempster. He doesn't deserve to be a Chicago Cub.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2012, 04:06:08 pm »
I voted for #2. There's all sorts of evidence that Theo and Jed had in-depth conversations with Dempster, then built their entire trade deadline strategy around his expressed wishes. Whether he lied from the outset, got cold feet or just felt like being the hammer doesn't matter to me. He said he'd do what was best for the Cubs, then didn't. I have no respect for Ryan Dempster. He doesn't deserve to be a Chicago Cub.

That would be a defensible position if we knew that Dempster had gone back on what he said.  But the fact is, no one here knows what Dempster said to Theo and Jed.  Again, for all we know, he told them that he'd be likely to go to any of several contenders, but would wait until the deadline after all conversations with the Dodgers had been exhausted before he'd accept another deal.  Until we have anything that remotely indicates Dempster told the front office that he'd immediately accept any offer they presented to him, I think you have to make huge, possibly incorrect assumptions to decide he lied or went back on his word.

I selected option #4, because we just don't have the information to make the judgment that he went back on his word.  But #3 is also a good choice, because the statements to the media that we do have left it vague as to whether or not he'd reject a trade.  I don't blame the media (it's not their fault someone on the Braves side failed to keep their mouth shut).

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2012, 04:06:26 pm »
He doesn't deserve to be a Chicago Cub.

Well, I would have to agree there.

The guy deserves to be on a winner, and I suspect that he will be, and that will not be the Cubs.