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papa smurf

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2012, 05:06:09 pm »
I went with # 2 there is no way the cubs make a deal with alt and not think he would go there.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2012, 05:33:42 pm »
I went with # 2 there is no way the cubs make a deal with alt and not think he would go there.

Why not?

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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2012, 06:58:32 pm »
Bleacher Nation's take on what Dave Kaplan had to say:

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The gist is, the Cubs thought they had an understanding with Dempster that they could negotiating with either the Braves or Dodgers, and then they got a better offer from the Braves. When Dempster through up a roadblock (albeit possibly temporary), asking the Cubs to try once more with the Dodgers, the Braves pulled their offer so they could explore other options. And that’s where we stand, as the Cubs try to get an acceptable deal from the Dodgers. The Cubs, Kap says, are trying to net a “handful” of pitching prospects, which suggests they will generally be of a lesser tier than Delgado.

If this is accurate, what Dempster did was not objectionable.  Had the Braves MLB.com writer not made the yet to be completed deal public, there would be no criticism of Demp's actions.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2012, 07:13:32 pm »
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Had the Braves MLB.com writer not made the yet to be completed deal public, there would be no criticism of Demp's actions.

Absolutely.  But the writer wouldn't have even known about it without someone in the Braves FO leaking the info.  I'm still curious about that and wondering whether it was deliberate.  Probably they just thought the deal was done, though.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2012, 07:30:41 pm »
Meanwhile, just to demonstrate how totally reliable internet rumors are, after (I believe more than) one report that the Dodgers had offered Webster straight up for Dempster, with the Cubs balking, Jon Heyman now claims just the opposite - that the Cubs made that offer, with the Dodgers refusing.

Who's on first?

Heyman also says he's told Dempster told Braves player he'd accept trade, but changed his mind.  As always, all of these reports should be consumed with a very healthy dose of sea salt.

Hoping Kaplan's rumors trump the national guys.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2012, 07:32:27 pm »
I don't recall anyone saying outright that the Dodgers offered Webster for Dempster - only suggesting it as an alternative.  There's no reason to suspect the Dodgers would have done so anyway, after Dempster destroyed the Cubs bargaining position.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2012, 07:41:25 pm »
I don't recall anyone saying outright that the Dodgers offered Webster for Dempster - only suggesting it as an alternative.  There's no reason to suspect the Dodgers would have done so anyway, after Dempster destroyed the Cubs bargaining position.

I thought I saw this more than one place, but perhaps I was wrong. Here is one spot, and I must say that I have no reason to assume that Cubs Den is likely to have a great source on this.
http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2012/07/source-dodgers-willing-to-trade-webster-or-reed-but-only-straight-up-for-dempster/

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2012, 07:45:10 pm »
I'd keep the salt handy.  You're going to need quite a bit of it.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2012, 07:56:00 pm »
Just reported that Cubs asked for Webster which was rejected - Dodgers offered "two lesser prospects that project as relievers". This is not going to end well..........

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2012, 08:02:01 pm »
It certainly isn't starting well.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2012, 08:03:23 pm »
Feeling more #2 all the time.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2012, 08:57:01 pm »
David Kaplan ‏@thekapman
*Update* Dodgers do not want to put Allen Webster in the deal and the package that they are offering is very suspect.Cubs will not cave.

David Kaplan ‏@thekapman
It would be a very uncomfortable situation if Dempster is still on roster after trade deadline. Can't believe either side wants that.

Not encouraging.  Not sure why, but some reason I find myself trusting Kaplan more than most reporters on this subject. Maybe because he was the first to raise the red flag after a bevy of reports that the Braves deal was done.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2012, 09:06:56 pm »
What choice does Theo have?  As bad as it would be to have Dempster on the roster, better that than give him away for scraps and be seen as caving to a player who stabbed him in the back.  Make a QO and hope he turns it down, then hope someone is willing to sign him.  If Dempster doesn't feel comfortable with that he only has himself to blame.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2012, 09:22:36 pm »
Feeling more #2 all the time.

As Cubs fans, I think we all feel like #2 most of the time.

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2012, 10:06:57 pm »
Why would it be bad to have Dempster on the roster?  if they can't get something quite good for him, then keep him and offer him a qualifying amount this winter.  If he refuses, we get a draft choice.  If he accepts, we have him for another year, and might be able to trade him this winter or next summer.