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Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on July 16, 2016, 06:10:13 pm
What were the rounds for the two that didn't?  Surprised there were any, really. 

Seems weird that a team would spend a pick on a guy without a verbal agreement.

I suppose maybe teams sometimes take guys they really like, guys who say they want more, in the expectation that they'll settle for what you can give?

First round sandwich pick and 7th rounder.  Previous high of unsigned guys was six.  In 2011, it was 28 under the old system that ignored slotting recommendations.

See link below.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/signing-deadline-passes-uneventfully/#jQvB8UPuIdO2XaI1.97
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on July 16, 2016, 05:42:43 pm
I agree.  I am surprised at the low number.  Not only do young men (and probably General Mangers) change their minds, but also it would be almost impossible to reach an "agreement" with everyone that a team might select in the first ten rounds.  And even then, it could only be a general "idea" what it would take to sign a player.

But there is quite a lot of pressure on the clubs to sign their first 10 picks, since they lose the slot money for the pick.  And a college junior runs the risk of having even less leverage as a senior.  Probably the greatest danger is with high school players, and probably most clubs would not draft one unless they were fairly sure that they could reach an agreement.  In many cases, the area scout has known the kid and his family for years, and has a pretty good understanding of what it would take.

All it takes is a new girlfriend or another friend to get a prospect's ear and tell him he really is better than the scouts or the drafting team think....
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on July 16, 2016, 05:29:23 pm
I agree.  I am surprised at the low number.  Not only do young men (and probably General Mangers) change their minds, but also it would be almost impossible to reach an "agreement" with everyone that a team might select in the first ten rounds.  And even then, it could only be a general "idea" what it would take to sign a player.

But there is quite a lot of pressure on the clubs to sign their first 10 picks, since they lose the slot money for the pick.  And a college junior runs the risk of having even less leverage as a senior.  Probably the greatest danger is with high school players, and probably most clubs would not draft one unless they were fairly sure that they could reach an agreement.  In many cases, the area scout has known the kid and his family for years, and has a pretty good understanding of what it would take.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on July 16, 2016, 05:05:52 pm
What were the rounds for the two that didn't?  Surprised there were any, really.  Seems weird that a team would spend a pick on a guy without a verbal agreement.  I suppose maybe teams sometimes take guys they really like, guys who say they want more, in the expectation that they'll settle for what you can give?

You seem to be looking only at the teams as the source of lack of agreement.  We are talking about young men here.  I am honestly surprised there were so few instances out of 300 young men where there was no agreement.  I would have expected at more than that many young men who simply changed their minds and adopted absolutely unrealistic estimations of their own worth.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on July 16, 2016, 04:35:39 pm
What were the rounds for the two that didn't?  Surprised there were any, really. 

Seems weird that a team would spend a pick on a guy without a verbal agreement.

I suppose maybe teams sometimes take guys they really like, guys who say they want more, in the expectation that they'll settle for what you can give?
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on July 16, 2016, 04:01:02 pm
All clubs this draft--every guy drafted in first 10 rounds signed, except two guys. Lot of pre -draft deals and understandings, presumably.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on July 16, 2016, 12:18:24 pm
Not Cubs draft but lowest bonus in first 10 rounds was Padres 9th round pick Jesse Scholtens, RHP from Wright State U.

Scholtens got a $1,000 bonus.

Unfortunately, while at the formal signing, Scholtens' car was ticketed and towed for parking near a fire hydrant, so his net bonus is down to $610. However, Padres have agreed to provide a uniform, cleats, and cap at no charge to him.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on July 16, 2016, 06:22:47 am
According to Baseball America, the 5'10" Zinn is a premium athlete who has the athleticism to stick at SS assuming he becomes more consistent in the field as he posted a 0.899 fielding average last year at a Mississippi CC.  His bat is more questionable as he has 5-8 HR potential and 0.240-0.250 average potential - at best.  He was also drafted by the Cubs last year.

If those are actually seen as his ceilings, it appears the Cubs are willing to pay 100K for organizational fill.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: dallen7908 on July 16, 2016, 01:53:48 am
According to Baseball America, the 5'10" Zinn is a premium athlete who has the athleticism to stick at SS assuming he becomes more consistent in the field as he posted a 0.899 fielding average last year at a Mississippi CC.  His bat is more questionable as he has 5-8 HR potential and 0.240-0.250 average potential - at best.  He was also drafted by the Cubs last year.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on July 15, 2016, 11:27:40 pm
Delvin Zinn signed for $100,000 even.

24 picks signed. Today was deadline.

Zinn was #233 on BA pre-draft rankings.

Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on July 14, 2016, 01:39:50 pm
Sixth rounder Chad Hockin pitched yesterday in Eugene, bypassing any innings in Mesa.

He pitched one inning, striking out two and a pop up.  If he can keep that up for the rest of his career, he should be in good shape.

I don't know.... staying in Eugene for the rest of his career might not do a whole lot for his earnings.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on July 14, 2016, 11:44:46 am
Sixth rounder Chad Hockin pitched yesterday in Eugene, bypassing any innings in Mesa.

He pitched one inning, striking out two and a pop up.  If he can keep that up for the rest of his career, he should be in good shape.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on July 14, 2016, 11:12:45 am
Just over $12,000.  I think the SS is supposed to sign and I thought Basi was going to sign as well, but I haven't read a recent update on him.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on July 14, 2016, 11:07:05 am
Thanks, blue, he was expected/promised overslot.  That should pretty much wrap it up, then.  I think that leaves them within about $15K of their allowed spending. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on July 14, 2016, 10:10:20 am
Tucker signed for $180,000, 11TH Round pick. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on July 07, 2016, 09:50:04 pm
Biasi  LHP HS
Rivera 1b CC
Bassett RHP CC
Moore RHP HS

Also haven't given any indication.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on July 07, 2016, 09:28:30 pm
So, that would leave around $93 for 3rd-day overslots like Rucker and Zinn and Wake Forest guy. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on July 07, 2016, 09:08:37 pm
Hatch signed for slot.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on July 07, 2016, 08:40:09 am
No word on Hatch's deal yet.  Slot is $573.  Assuming he signs, Cubs would have had $666,325 to spend between him and any overslot money for 3rd day guys. 
*11th round Rucker hasn't been detailed yet, but early on he'd said the Cubs had talked about overslot.  Perhaps waiting for the Hatch deal to become official?
*23rd round Zinn, who'd been ranked somewhere as a top-250 guy, has recently made a "firm handshake" agreement.  That could be an overslot guy, with the "handshake" being conditional on Hatch passing his physical and formally signing to whatever they'd agreed with on Hatch?

Who knows if any of the 3rd day guys already signed, or possibly still to be signed, are involving overslot at all, even if modest. 

Thus far the Duke power pitcher has the biggest reported overslot, but college guys at 4, 5, and 10 have all been over, 6 right on, with 7-8-9 variably under. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on July 05, 2016, 12:16:45 pm
I haven't seen the amount yet.  He was at Wrigley before the Cubs/Reds game.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: jacey1 on July 05, 2016, 12:15:46 pm
What kind of $$$$ did Hatch get?
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: guest61 on July 05, 2016, 02:16:04 am
Good to see Hatch signed.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on July 04, 2016, 11:29:41 pm
Thanks much for updates, blue. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on July 04, 2016, 11:16:45 pm
Delvin Zinn, SS will sign as well. Cubs drafted him out of HS last year.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on July 04, 2016, 02:16:49 pm
Cubs signed Hatch.

12th rounder Cobb is going to return to Okie St

14th rounder is undecided

Cubs signed 33rd round HS pitcher out of Colorado.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on July 02, 2016, 02:24:21 pm
Mekkes signs for $275,000
Clark signs for $450,000

Both signed over slot.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 30, 2016, 01:30:55 pm
4th rounder Tyson Miller, from Cal Baptist, has signed for 500K...slot was 429,700...
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 26, 2016, 04:23:43 pm
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2016 MLB Draft: Draft Signings Tracker

this site is consistently updated with new signings and their bonuses

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2016/6/12/11909596/2016-mlb-draft-draft-signings-tracker
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 25, 2016, 10:47:49 pm
Hockin signed for slot, $241,000
Ridings signed for $120,000, $53,800 under slot
Robinson (SR) signed for $30,000 $132,300

So far that leaves the Cubs with $400,000 + change below the penalties.


Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 25, 2016, 08:01:43 pm

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Somebody needs to inform Tigers GM Al Avila that drafted seniors have no leverage and should be offered well BELOW slot.  He signed Kyle Funkhouser for $750K, which is $223,800 above his slot value.  Still even with the generosity of Tigers' management, Funkhouser gets $1 million less than he was offered by the Dodgers last year.  Another happy Boras client.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2016/06/21/louisville-pitcher-kyle-funkhouser-signs-detroit-tigers/86205086/

Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 25, 2016, 07:43:25 pm
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The Cubs top pick, Thomas Hatch, is now free to sign a pro contract. Arizona eliminated Oklahoma State at the CWS in Omaha this afternoon.  Hatch didn't have it today as he only went two innings giving up four earned runs on five hits and two walks with zero strikeouts.

http://www.ncaa.com/game/baseball/d1/2016/06/25/oklahoma-st-arizona





Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 25, 2016, 12:49:31 pm
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=chad-hockin

This season, 25 innings in 20 games.
Previous, 18 innings in 18 games. 

Pretty much a 1-inning college guy, it seems. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 25, 2016, 11:17:26 am
I don't know how Hockin was used, but a lot of college relievers are multi-inning guys. So the fastball might play up with only going an inning. Mekkes was used in multi-innings a lot.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on June 25, 2016, 10:50:28 am
Cubs have signed 6th round pick Chad Hockin.... he was a 3B in high school.  Converted to pitching in college.  As a reliever, and with the elbow and academic issues perhaps limiting his junior innings (only 25 innings), his total college career sums to only 63 innings.   

So I'd guess that despite being a college guy, having been a player>pitcher convert, with only 63 innings combined, what he might be future is probably not totally defined by a 63-inning college sample. 

McLeod referred to him as a "power" pitcher, but the scouting report I saw alluded to working 90-93, which I'd consider relatively slow for a RH reliever.  Said has maxed at like 97.  Supposedly slider is his key pitch.  I could go for a fastball-slider reliever, if he could bump his fastball a bit and throw strikes.

Considering the degree to which many arm/shoulder problems in young pitchers seem related to overuse before they even get out of high school, this might be another area of possible market inefficiency the Theocracy has identified and is targeting.  (I think I even recall seeing Hoyer or McCleod or Theo having recently mentioned that they were planning to target pitching prospects who were converted position players.)  Identifying pitching prospects whose development is behind the normal age curve because of lack or repetitions, and whose chance of serious arm injury is seriously reduced for much the same reason, might well provide the opportunity of identifying and signing good prospect pitchers others miss, but signing them for less than comparable pitching prospects who have always been pitchers and who have much more wear on their arms.

Seems like a good approach.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 25, 2016, 10:03:30 am
Cubs have signed 6th round pick Chad Hockin, the guy whose grandfather was Harmen Killebrew. No contract details yet. 

I wonder if there's a shot he might be a good-value guy, perhaps one of the overslots?  He was discussed/projected as a possible 3rd-round type guy. 

May have slipped, supposedly had a down year as a junior, (although his ERA was 1.05, so not too "down" from that regard", had some elbow issues, some academic issues.  Perhaps he expected >6th round money so when he started slipping he slipped further?  i'm totally just guessing, perhaps he's perfectly slot.  Maybe 6th round is where he belonged given scouting, academic issues, health questions, etc.. 

But, nobody had more reason to do exhaustive research on mid-round college pitchers than the Cubs, so perhaps Hockin will end up being a good value. 

Like his grandfather, he was a 3B in high school.  Converted to pitching in college.  As a reliever, and with the elbow and academic issues perhaps limiting his junior innings (only 25 innings), his total college career sums to only 63 innings.   

So I'd guess that despite being a college guy, having been a player>pitcher convert, with only 63 innings combined, what he might be future is probably not totally defined by a 63-inning college sample. 

McLeod referred to him as a "power" pitcher, but the scouting report I saw alluded to working 90-93, which I'd consider relatively slow for a RH reliever.  Said has maxed at like 97.  Supposedly slider is his key pitch.  I could go for a fastball-slider reliever, if he could bump his fastball a bit and throw strikes. 




Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 23, 2016, 08:16:37 am
31st rounder Brenden Heiss is going to Arkansas.

He was looking for 3rd-4th round money.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on June 21, 2016, 05:34:42 pm
I believe that one or two of those drafted have had injury history.  I don't remember if any have not yet had any necessary surgery.  Even if they have already had surgery, the lure of top of the line rehab and training might well be substantial.

Theo has talked more than once about finding and exploiting a market inefficiency being more important than having more money or more or better whatever else.  I think it is encouraging that the front office appears to continue to actively trying to identify them.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 21, 2016, 04:44:56 pm
I believe that one or two of those drafted have had injury history.  I don't remember if any have not yet had any necessary surgery.  Even if they have already had surgery, the lure of top of the line rehab and training might well be substantial.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on June 21, 2016, 04:23:21 pm
Another non-monetary inducement was seen in the acquisition of Cease.  It seems the promise of having the Cubs pay for the surgery and rehab, with both probably beyond the finances of the Cease and his family for the same quality, might have been a large inducement in his signing.

There are often promising prospects who end up injured shortly before the draft.  If the Cubs are willing to pay for the medical care and rehab and take that kind of risk on them, and if other teams are much less willing, that could be a meaningful market inefficiency to exploit.  I hope it works well with Cease and encourages the Cubs to continue the approach.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on June 21, 2016, 04:17:59 pm
If they are undrafted they are a free agent.  Any signing bonus over $100,000 counts against the cap.  Most of the undrafted players don't sign for much, although sometimes a high school kid will get a decent amount to sign, but it is rare now.

So they are not a FA in the same manner a player would be who is released by his team and can be signed by any team for any amount, but it instead would count against a team's allocation for signing draft picks?

For a player being offered only $10K, but who thinks he is worth $50K, that opportunity to have all teams bid against him without any penalty up to $100K would still seem to be significant.  Of course he would also face the prospect of some team taking him in the last couple of rounds and burning up an entire year of eligibility as he was then forced to wait a year to sign with anyone.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 21, 2016, 03:40:50 pm
It's like any negotiation, baseball or otherwise, where one side has all the bargaining power.

We talked about this a bit in years past. Could be that some clubs make more clear to the player that will get real opportunity. Think that Ryan Williams got a rotation spot from get-go, so maybe that influenced his willingness to agree/sign for peanuts as a Cub. Yeah, bonus low but we're not going to bury you--just the opposite.

I would imagine that there is a lot of off the record non-monetary promises that are given as inducements.  When the Cubs drafted Rademacher, most teams considered him as a better pitching prospect.  There have been hints that the Cubs felt the same, but promised to use him as a position player.  If so, they have kept their promise.

Probably the same situation as mentioned about pre-draft monetary agreements.  They aren't really enforceable, but anyone with a reputation for breaking those agreements would have a difficult time with such agreements in the future.

Another non-monetary inducement was seen in the acquisition of Cease.  It seems the promise of having the Cubs pay for the surgery and rehab, with both probably beyond the finances of the Cease and his family for the same quality, might have been a large inducement in his signing.

And something that the board has been talking about for years - some teams (including, finally, the Cubs) are seen as better organizations than others for a prospect, because of their reputation for developing skills.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 21, 2016, 03:31:28 pm
If a player goes entirely undrafted, is he then simply a true FA?

If a senior has a team contact him after the 7th round and asks him if he would sign for $X if the team takes him in the 9th round and $X is a third of slot and he says, "No, I won't sign for less than five times that amount," and he ends up entirely undrafted by anyone, is he then a completely unrestricted FA, able to sign with anyone for whatever they agree to?  Or are teams prohibited from signing him for another year?

What happens?

If I understand it correctly:

If a player goes undrafted, he becomes a free agent in the respect that he can negotiate and sign with any other team until the deadline (I believe it is longer than July 15 for college seniors, but there is a deadline.

However, he is not a true free agent in the sense that no team can sign him for more than $100,000 (plus future scholarships that might be important to high school players).

After the signing deadline, he goes back into next year's draft pool.

Recap -

A team gets a pool of money depending on the slot value of their picks one through ten.  (Plus a percentage (5 percent?).

They lose the slot money for that pick if they fail to sign a particular player.

Other than that, they can use any excess coming from any under slot signings for anyone they draft.

They can not use it for undrafted free agents.

Any additions or corrections?
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 21, 2016, 03:13:04 pm
If they are undrafted they are a free agent.  Any signing bonus over $100,000 counts against the cap.  Most of the undrafted players don't sign for much, although sometimes a high school kid will get a decent amount to sign, but it is rare now.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on June 21, 2016, 03:10:13 pm
Again, if a player goes entirely undrafted, is he then simply a true FA?

If a senior has a team contact him after the 7th round and asks him if he would sign for $X if the team takes him in the 9th round and $X is a third of slot and he says, "No, I won't sign for less than five times that amount," and he ends up entirely undrafted by anyone, is he then a completely unrestricted FA, able to sign with anyone for whatever they agree to?  Or are teams prohibited from signing him for another year?

What happens?
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 21, 2016, 02:47:20 pm
It's like any negotiation, baseball or otherwise, where one side has all the bargaining power.

If $5,000 is all the kid is hearing from anybody, then where's the bargaining power to insist on something a lot higher? If he has a much higher offer elsewhere, then he's got some bargaining power. There is probably a fair amount of that happening, with guys telling clubs better offer elsewhere. But this is a large class of fringy college guys who make up rhe pool.

We talked about this a bit in years past. Could be that some clubs make more clear to the player that will get real opportunity. Think that Ryan Williams got a rotation spot from get-go, so maybe that influenced his willingness to agree/sign for peanuts as a Cub. Yeah, bonus low but we're not going to bury you--just the opposite.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CurtOne on June 21, 2016, 02:28:45 pm
Reminds me of Bob Uecker's story: The Braves signed me for $5000 but it took my dad the whole summer to raise the money.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 21, 2016, 01:54:55 pm
Absolutely.  But, last year the Cubs 7-10 guys signed for $5K, $30K, $2K, and $5K.

When they called Machin and said "Would you sign for $2K", why did the player say yes?  He so expected not to get drafted at all that $2K and a shot in Arizona was better than going undrafted? 
When they called Preston Morrison and said "Would you sign for $30K?", despite being such a successful college pitcher he apparently didn't think he'd be able to get even $40-50K on Day 3? 
Craig Brooks didn't think he'd be able to get $10K on Day 3? 

I guess it seems surprising that some of these guys have such low expectations that they agree to those kinds of deals.   

Gotcha...I think you have hit on the gist of it...for some, it's the ability to say " I was a 7th round pick", for some, it's "I'm 22 now, and my window is slamming soon", for some, it's "who knows if anyone will want me on day 3?", and for some, it might be "wow, how cool will it be to play in the Cubs organization?"

And for most, it's likely a compilation of some/all of those factors...
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on June 21, 2016, 01:18:13 pm
As every year, I always wonder about the mind-set of the guys signing sub-slot.  A 3rd-day pick can get paid up to $100K.  I wonder how hard-nosed the teams are on low-pricing 3rd-day guys. 
How many 3rd-day guys actually get $100K, vs $10 or $20? 
How many 3rd-day seniors get >$20K? 
How many 9th round senior-signs would go undrafted if they didn't take a 2nd-day subplot? 
By agreeing to a super-cheap 9th or 8th round deal, what's the motive for the player to agree?
1.  Getting drafted, as opposed to going undrafted entirely?
2.  Getting paid better than what they'd get as a 3rd day pick? 
3.  The prestige of being a 2nd-day pick, for family and friends and grandchildren?

If a player goes entirely undrafted, is he then simply a true FA?

If a senior has a team contact him after the 7th round and asks him if he would sign for $X if the team takes him in the 9th round and $X is a third of slot and he says, "No, I won't sign for less than five times that amount," and he ends up entirely undrafted by anyone, is he then a completely unrestricted FA, able to sign with anyone for whatever they agree to?  Or are teams prohibited from signing him for another year?

What happens?
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 21, 2016, 12:59:47 pm
that's where the phone calls come into play...

will you sign for x amount?

if yes, take player...if no, move on to next name

Absolutely.  But, last year the Cubs 7-10 guys signed for $5K, $30K, $2K, and $5K.

When they called Machin and said "Would you sign for $2K", why did the player say yes?  He so expected not to get drafted at all that $2K and a shot in Arizona was better than going undrafted? 
When they called Preston Morrison and said "Would you sign for $30K?", despite being such a successful college pitcher he apparently didn't think he'd be able to get even $40-50K on Day 3? 
Craig Brooks didn't think he'd be able to get $10K on Day 3? 

I guess it seems surprising that some of these guys have such low expectations that they agree to those kinds of deals.   
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 21, 2016, 12:44:59 pm
Rarely, somebody reneges on the figure they agreed to. Interesting how much trust goes into the balancing act of drafting and clubs staying under payroll penalty. Of course, clubs are careful about actually signing overslot guys until sign the underslots but interesting how much keeping-to-your-word is part of the process. Reputation still counts.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 21, 2016, 12:25:12 pm
that's where the phone calls come into play...

will you sign for x amount?

if yes, take player...if no, move on to next name
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 21, 2016, 11:57:24 am
My son did a quick Q & A with Duncan Robinson, his college classmate.  Thought you all might be interested:

http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/06/21/catching-up-with-duncan-robinson-cubs-ninth-round-draft-pick/

Thanks, East, very nice. 

As every year, I always wonder about the mind-set of the guys signing sub-slot.  A 3rd-day pick can get paid up to $100K.  I wonder how hard-nosed the teams are on low-pricing 3rd-day guys. 

How many 3rd-day guys actually get $100K, vs $10 or $20? 
How many 3rd-day seniors get >$20K? 

How many 9th round senior-signs would go undrafted if they didn't take a 2nd-day subplot? 

By agreeing to a super-cheap 9th or 8th round deal, what's the motive for the player to agree?
1.  Getting drafted, as opposed to going undrafted entirely?
2.  Getting paid better than what they'd get as a 3rd day pick? 
3.  The prestige of being a 2nd-day pick, for family and friends and grandchildren? 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: goblue007 on June 21, 2016, 09:47:28 am
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/more-words-than-youd-expect-on-the-cubs-10th-round-pick/
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Eastcoastfan on June 21, 2016, 07:42:48 am
My son did a quick Q & A with Duncan Robinson, his college classmate.  Thought you all might be interested:

http://wrigleyville.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/06/21/catching-up-with-duncan-robinson-cubs-ninth-round-draft-pick/
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 21, 2016, 12:25:23 am
Wes Saver, the CCDB guy, tweeted out the MSU coach saying the Cubs and Mekkes agreed to a deal for a "significant" amount above slot and close to the number he was looking for.

The Ole Miss closer is still in the air and one of the high school guys has yet to announce if he is going to Arkansas or sign with the Cubs.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 19, 2016, 08:33:36 pm
I'm sure the Cubs talked to him before they picked him and got the amount he wants. If they weren't sure they would have taken him in the 11 round on.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 19, 2016, 08:26:14 pm
There have been several reports saying he plans to sign; and Michigan State's coach expects him to sign; and he talked about how much $$ it would take for him to sign; and he and the Cubs discussed that prior to them expending a draft pick on him.

He's going to sign.  (Unless he fails his physical.)   

Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on June 19, 2016, 08:07:09 pm
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/college/msu/baseball/2016/06/14/msu-pitcher-cam-vieaux-signs-pittsburgh-pirates/85893868/

Sounds like Mekkes is going to sign.


Hopefully his coach is doing a much better job of reading the situation after presumably speaking directly with Mekkes than I have done after nothing more than reading a newspaper article on the internet....
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on June 19, 2016, 08:03:11 pm
I see nothing that indicates he is leaning one way or the other.

He considers his mentor a player who he views as having last year been in the exact same situation he was, and after that mentor played one more season for MSU he "got drafted again, significantly higher," meaning a larger bonus.

Nothing definitive there, but it doesn't look good to me.  Most prospects seem uninterested in the fact that by signing a year earlier they would likely make it to the majors a year earlier and reach arbitration and free agency a year earlier and have another year of salary as a major league player, if they ever make it to the majors.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: JeffH on June 19, 2016, 07:51:54 pm
Poor fucking Mekkes.  Poor bastard should wrap his lips around the barrel of a revolver.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: chgojhawk on June 19, 2016, 07:40:37 pm
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/college/msu/baseball/2016/06/14/msu-pitcher-cam-vieaux-signs-pittsburgh-pirates/85893868/

Sounds like Mekkes is going to sign.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: OkieCubsFan on June 19, 2016, 07:18:54 pm
I see nothing that indicates he is leaning one way or the other.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on June 19, 2016, 07:12:04 pm
Mekkes was discussed on the Fangraphs podcast. It sounds like he was a 90-92 fastball, but his delivery is odd. He's 6-7 and does a jump delivery similar to Carter Capps so that increases his effective velocity. He also has some sort of pause in the delivery to further throw off hitters timing.  I might have to google him to see if I can find a video. 

I think Mekkes might not be likely to sign:
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/college/msu/baseball/2016/06/11/vieaux-likely-leaving-msu-mekkes-baseball-future-limbo/85766954/
Dakota Mekkes needed a mentor, and he had the perfect one close by in Cam Vieaux.

Two years of eligibility at Michigan State left. A major-league organization that wants to pry him away from college. A life-altering decision ahead.

Vieaux went through it a year ago, ended up returning to the Spartans this season and got drafted again, significantly higher. He now appears headed to the pros.

Mekkes? That’s to be determined.

Cam was literally in the same exact situation as I am right now,” said Mekkes, a redshirt sophomore pitcher from Jenison who was a 10th-round selection of the Chicago Cubs on Friday. “I got to ask him about the whole draft process, what to expect and what happens when you do get drafted. Having him around was pretty big, because he knows what’s going on.”
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 19, 2016, 04:32:48 pm
Mekkes was discussed on the Fangraphs podcast. It sounds like he was a 90-92 fastball, but his delivery is odd. He's 6-7 and does a jump delivery similar to Carter Capps so that increases his effective velocity. He also has some sort of pause in the delivery to further throw off hitters timing.  I might have to google him to see if I can find a video. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Chris27 on June 19, 2016, 03:08:42 am
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/16322125/oklahoma-state-cowboys-ace-thomas-hatch-gets-stronger-right-college-world-series
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: guest61 on June 18, 2016, 06:51:22 pm
Lookin good.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Chris27 on June 18, 2016, 04:58:39 pm
Hatch: 9-5-0-0-1-7
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 18, 2016, 04:52:39 pm
Hatch complete game shutout. 112 pitches.

Very nice.  Two excellent world-series games after getting drafted, and a really excellent game prior.  The guy is in a groove.  I wonder if he'd had all three of these games prior to the draft, if he'd have gone off the board before our turn?  Anyway, sounds encouraging. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 18, 2016, 04:26:46 pm
Hatch complete game shutout. 112 pitches.

Hatch is the second pitcher in 39 years to throw a complete game shutout in the CWS. It should be noted that since they moved out of Rosenblatt that offense is much harder to come by.  TD Ameritrade was built for the old bats.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 17, 2016, 10:16:09 pm
As a person with dyslexia, I resnet that.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CurtOne on June 15, 2016, 10:18:00 pm
With dyslexia I hope the offer wasn't really 00000.01
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 15, 2016, 10:02:45 pm
In a radio interview with Nathan Sweeney, RHP, Cherry Creek HS, the Cubs 33rd pick, he says that the Cubs offer was one hundred thousand, and he is considering it.  Listening to the rest of the interview, I will be surprised if he doesn't take it.  He says that, having dyslexia, he is not a "school person".

Very little in the way of a scouting report available.

33. Nathan Sweeney, RHP, HS (CO):  Another great, projectable frame at 6'4", 185 lbs., Sweeney throws in  the high 80s, touching as high as 92.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 15, 2016, 06:05:05 pm
The Cubs lead the league in going after states, with the selection of Dakota Mekkes and Montana Parsons.

Now if they can just sign free agent New Jersey Smith.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 15, 2016, 02:54:39 pm
Two overslots, Mekkes and Rucker, apparently both have agreements and will sign, once they go through the process.   
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 15, 2016, 12:27:42 am
According to a couple interviews posted at CCDT. 

Dante Biasi is leaning towards signing, but nothing is concrete. A local paper said that without TJS he would have possibly been a pick in the first 10 rounds. Doing rehab with a major league team is a big plus for him. He is committed to Penn State and his brother will be a junior on the team next year.

33 Rd pick Nate Sweeney has been offered $100,000 to sign and is thinking about it. He is "not a big school guy."
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 13, 2016, 08:54:17 am
yea, reb, it's a different world since the CBA.  I think it's been since the CBA that the Cubs, and I think any team, have signed a significant $$ guy after the 13th round. 

Following 2nd day, a team pretty much knows about how much discretionary $$ it has to spend, if any.  Betrween Days 2 and 3 is the time to follow up with guys who were ranked high but didn't get picked.  Are you really going to stick to your $$$ expectations?  Or given that we've got $175 available (or whatever) would you consider signing for $275?  If a 3rd-round talent says yes, for money you think you'll have, I think you pull the trigger and draft him within picks 11-13 before he's gone to somebody else. No waiting for rounds 25-40. 

I suspect any HS taken after round 20 is either:
1.  A guy you have no expectation to sign for what you'll have to spend.  Just an "establish relationships for next time" selection. 
2.  Somebody who so wants to sign that they'll do so for slot;
3.  Somebody who wants more than slot, but would consider signing for $200K or less.  In other words, not a real high-round talent. 

The teams seem to have pretty well arranged agreements or understandings of how much 1st/2nd day guys will sign for. 
*But while in many cases I assume those are exact agreements made over the phone, I suspect in some cases those are maybe a little more approximate.
*Certainly Bryant or Almora, for example, didn't have exact numbers agreed upon prior to actual selection. 
*So if there is $0.1 uncertainty, or more, I'd think you might take some HS guys in round 25-40 who might perhaps be signable if you do end up with an extra $0.1 or more available in discretionary money. 
*But,certainly a kid like the Auburn kid wouldn't be signable even if the Cubs did unexpectedly end up with $0.10 extra available, if he'd been willing to go for $200 he'd have been taken well before round 34. 
*It's also so different from previous CBA's.  A team would have it's own internal draft budget, more or less, with a chunk allocated to high picks.  Teams would routinely select backup options on 3rd day; if top pick decides not to sign, we want to have some other talent that we could sign with the money not spent on high pick.  "If Hatch doesn't sign for XXX, maybe the Auburn kid will; or we can split it between a couple of late-round picks."  But now, if you don't sign a high-round pick, you lose both the slot money and the overage, so it totally does not free up $$ for late round guys.   

Really after the 13th round, you aren't going to draft and sign anybody very pricey. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on June 13, 2016, 08:37:02 am
No surprise but almost a lock that this late-rounder--who BA pegged as high 4th rounder--not signing with Cubs and will be going to Auburn. In past years, seems just the kind of HS prospect Cubs might give the bonus the player wanted and could sign. Not this year.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/auburnauthority/2016/06/11/davis-daniel-rejects-mlb-bonus-offers-attend-auburn/85776064/

That is one butt-ugly kid.  He's also already 19 when graduating HS, and when you look at the comments from him and his father it appears the kid is not really interested either in a college education or the opportunity to play pro ball -- it seems he is money focused an nothing else: “I had a couple chances (to agree to sign and be drafted) but my family and I had a value for Auburn and we stuck to it,” Daniel said.... Daniel’s father, Rusty, said..... “Davis stuck to a value that he and our family thought was appropriate to turn down the great opportunity at Auburn.”
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 13, 2016, 12:07:31 am
No surprise but almost a lock that this late-rounder--who BA pegged as high 4th rounder--not signing with Cubs and will be going to Auburn. In past years, seems just the kind of HS prospect Cubs might give the bonus the player wanted and could sign. Not this year.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/auburnauthority/2016/06/11/davis-daniel-rejects-mlb-bonus-offers-attend-auburn/85776064/
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Playtwo on June 12, 2016, 05:24:52 pm
OSU is going to the College World Series, so Hatch's season is not over.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CurtOne on June 11, 2016, 11:18:55 pm
7th rounder DH/C Michael Cruz was HBP 20 times this season in 200 ABs.

So, guessing he crowds the plate, has good plate coverage, has guts, and might be a surprise if Cubs can find a position for him. They passed on a lot of right-handed pitchers to draft this guy.
Gives new meaning to "designated hitter."
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2016, 08:55:45 pm
7th rounder DH/C Michael Cruz was HBP 20 times this season in 200 ABs.

So, guessing he crowds the plate, has good plate coverage, has guts, and might be a surprise if Cubs can find a position for him. They passed on a lot of right-handed pitchers to draft this guy.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2016, 08:28:45 pm
Watched a bit of Hatch NCAA game today. Could be an Adam Warren type down the line. Pitches to contact, 6'1" and knows what he's doing out there. Guessing Cubs would be happy if he turns out like Warren.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 11, 2016, 08:17:13 pm
Seems like Miller and Clark would be the only 2 guys the Cubs drafted that could be the find a TORP pitcher.  Miller needs his stuff to improve and Clark needs a lot of work to not end up in the bullpen. If they were really serious about finding a TORP it would seem to me you would be looking for more than 2 chances.

Cubs Den brought up a good point that the Cubs might be looking to accumulate more 4/5 starters to save the team money so that a TORP can be bought. Somebody like Hatch would fit that, as well as the Cubs picking a lot of ground ball guys.

They did add a bunch of possible high leverage relievers and if this draft only produces 1-2 relievers it wouldn't be a bad outcome for not having a first or second round pick.

The Cubs did seem to take more quetionable character guys this year. It will be interesting to see if that sticks or if the Cubs just did it to get better talents at a cheaper price or maybe they think they have enough high character guys that they can control a few bad apples.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 11, 2016, 07:28:47 pm
Hatch against South Carolina in the Regionals today:

7-4-0-0-2-3

Very nice.  if he's shutting down college playoff teams, that's really encouraging. 

From the Miller piece, a reminder of how much of the financial agreement is already discussed and agreed in advance before a team is willing to spend a pick: 
"He and his advisers were group chatting, keeping him updated on interested teams and scouts that were checking in on him. He got word that a deal with the Cubs in the fourth round was in the works, but as that pick grew near, he hadn’t heard anything from the team."

From the Duke kid:  "Clark had a combined 4.31 earned-run average and 120 strikeouts in 121 innings over the course of his college career."

Good reminder.  I tend to think of a college guy as having "had three years", and being pretty well defined in terms of what he is or isn't.  But here's a guy who's pitched 121 innings in his whole college career.  There may be a LOT of things that are anything but well defined through only 121 innings.  Lots of adjustments and changes might occur in the ensuing 800 innings.  Hopefully in his case for the better, although I admit the frequency of wild guys become non-wild is not real high. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2016, 05:21:14 pm
Piece on 4th rounder Tyson Miller.

 http://www.desertsun.com/story/sports/baseball/2016/06/10/tyson-miller-brian-serven-both-chosen-mlb-draft/85705504/
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Chris27 on June 11, 2016, 05:17:35 pm
Hatch against South Carolina in the Regionals today:

7-4-0-0-2-3
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2016, 05:17:00 pm
Piece on 5th rounder Bailey Clark.

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/sports/high-school/hshuddle/2016/06/10/cubs-draft-clark-5th-round/85708828/
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2016, 04:20:03 pm
34 th rounder Davis Daniel is Auburn commit and ranked #109 by BA--that's high 4th round ($550,000 slot).

Probably unsignable.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 11, 2016, 04:13:21 pm
35th rounder Ryan Kreidler is a UCLA commit.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2016, 04:03:12 pm
Over slot candidate in round 31...Brenden Heiss from Jacobs HS in Elgin...has touched 96...

Another possible overslot candidate is 24th rounder Rivera, a JUCO guy, headed to South Alabama. BA had him at #270 overall.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 11, 2016, 03:44:41 pm
Marc Huberman was a successful college LH reliever who faced top competition, but perhaps some makeup questions as he was involved in a sex tape video scandal at USC. 

If the sex tape video involved in Epstein in a negligee, he might get a good signing bonus.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 11, 2016, 03:27:40 pm
Over slot candidate in round 31...Brenden Heiss from Jacobs HS in Elgin...has touched 96...
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2016, 03:19:32 pm
Sure, Clifton got $375,000 in round 12.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 11, 2016, 03:17:23 pm
Cubs have taken ONE high school player in first 25 rounds--22nd round pitcher.  And, this guy just had TJ surgery last month.  See link below. 

Assuming everybody signs for slot--other than the Sr. Dartmouth guy--seems like Cubs could pay bonus of about $365 to somebody after round 10--assuming the Senior signs for $5,000 or so.  $110 pool overage, $155 saved on 9th round Sr, and $100,000 for the post-round 10 guy.

Maybe the HS guy with TJ? 

http://timesleader.com/sports/high-school-baseball/541758/hazleton-areas-dante-biasi-will-have-tommy-john-surgery

Can they pay overslot to anyone drafted after round 10?
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CurtOne on June 11, 2016, 03:11:07 pm
For those of you interested, Hatch is on ESPN 2 pitching for OSU in the Super Regional right now.
be careful with OSU.  For most Yankees that's Ohio State.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 11, 2016, 02:28:24 pm
Short can throw mid 90s...his stuff is more sneaky fast, and deceptive

Have the Cubs ever had a lefty throw that hard?
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 11, 2016, 02:20:43 pm
Short can throw mid 90s...his stuff is more sneaky fast, and deceptive
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Playtwo on June 11, 2016, 02:18:03 pm
Those guys were clearly on the Cubs' short list.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 11, 2016, 02:15:26 pm
From Joe Maddon's home town. Cubs Den thought they have saved a little money with the last few picks so maybe 1 high school guy is possible.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2016, 02:13:12 pm
Cubs have taken ONE high school player in first 25 rounds--22nd round pitcher.  And, this guy just had TJ surgery last month.  See link below. 

Assuming everybody signs for slot--other than the Sr. Dartmouth guy--seems like Cubs could pay bonus of about $365 to somebody after round 10--assuming the Senior signs for $5,000 or so.  $110 pool overage, $155 saved on 9th round Sr, and $100,000 for the post-round 10 guy.

Maybe the HS guy with TJ? 

http://timesleader.com/sports/high-school-baseball/541758/hazleton-areas-dante-biasi-will-have-tommy-john-surgery
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: chgojhawk on June 11, 2016, 02:12:38 pm
For those of you interested, Hatch is on ESPN 2 pitching for OSU in the Super Regional right now.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 11, 2016, 02:11:02 pm
The 5'8 lefty is Wyatt Short, who is Ole Miss's closer. He throws gas.

I would love a hard throwing lefty in the pen. I saw his perfect game stuff from 13 and he was throwing 80's.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 11, 2016, 01:51:12 pm
Cubs re-drafted Delvin Zinn. He was a 28th rounder last year, but went to Moo U instead. He left there and went to Itawamba CC in NE Mississippi, and the Cubs took him again, this time in the 23rd round.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: jacey1 on June 11, 2016, 01:45:49 pm
Where are they going to assign all of these pitchers if a good number of them sign? Strange
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2016, 01:39:19 pm
Cubs took another short guy (5'10) named Short later--17th round, a SS.

Must be cracking up in the draft room.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CurtOne on June 11, 2016, 01:31:47 pm
The 5'8 lefty is Wyatt Short, who is Ole Miss's closer. He throws gas.
A 5'8" pitcher named Short.  heh.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 11, 2016, 01:30:41 pm
The 5'8 lefty is Wyatt Short, who is Ole Miss's closer. He throws gas.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2016, 01:27:21 pm
Cubs took only one Senior first 10 rounds--the Dartmouth guy, so seems like no money saved for any overslot guy, along with low pool. So, no money for high-ceiling HS guy. Straight college draft. Reminds me a bit of 2013 after Bryant, mostly college pitchers: Zastryzny, Masek, Skulina, Frazier, Garner, etc. Only now-promising guy that draft was overslot high-ceiling HS Clifton--probably can't do that now.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: FDISK on June 11, 2016, 12:34:52 pm
No more "A" students, I hope.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 11, 2016, 12:26:14 pm
Cubs break up the college RHP draft so far to take 1 college LHP and 1 college SS inbetween 5 college RHP so far today.   College righties today are 6 feet to 6-1. The lefty is 5-8. Yesterday was talk college righty, today seems to be short pitcher day.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: FDISK on June 10, 2016, 08:57:10 pm
It's important for a catcher to be able to construct a good sentence.

Employing the tools of ignorance? Sounds like English teacher material. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2016, 08:52:37 pm
Here is link to website that tracks Cubs draft signings, bonuses, twitter, etc.

http://ccdt.webs.com/
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 10, 2016, 08:51:27 pm
Certainly worth commenting upon.  It's important for a catcher to be able to construct a good sentence.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on June 10, 2016, 08:48:13 pm
No hatred of the kid, or of his belief that Jesus is his savior, but the wording of possessing Jesus as his savior leaves more than a bit to be desired.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: guest61 on June 10, 2016, 08:26:16 pm
If a kid has something good to say about Jesus you can guarantee Jes will hate on it.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on June 10, 2016, 08:02:22 pm
His most prized possession is having Jesus Christ as his savior.

Most prize POSSESSION?

I sure hope English is this kid's second language and he just hasn't quite mastered it yet.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Jes Beard on June 10, 2016, 07:49:56 pm
Hatch works!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_chile#/media/File:Hatch_green_chile.jpg

Roasted.  Gotta be roasted.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dihard on June 10, 2016, 06:06:53 pm
And add tall to the list of things in our 2016 "type."  Other than Hatch (and Cruz), every guy we picked is at least 6'4". 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dihard on June 10, 2016, 06:02:56 pm
So far, all pitchers except for one catcher.

With Round 10 in, I believe we are at 7 pitchers, all righties, all college, yes?  Apparently we have a type.  Hopefully a couple will pan out.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CurtOne on June 10, 2016, 05:45:17 pm
P
Robinson should up the draft class GPA and IQ.

Kyle Hendricks II?
Doug Glanville?
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 10, 2016, 05:36:55 pm
So far, all pitchers except for one catcher.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: FDISK on June 10, 2016, 05:18:55 pm
I guess the Cubs brass must read these threads. 

Craig dumps on a guy for academic troubles and next thing you see are chemistry majors and Ivy Leaguers.

I thought the idea of baseball was to win?
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: chgojhawk on June 10, 2016, 05:17:27 pm
Robinson should up the draft class GPA and IQ.

Kyle Hendricks II?
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 05:14:51 pm
Duncan Robinson, RHP, Dartmouth

6'6", 220, 88-92 on mound, better curve than fb, throws a lot of strikes

Ivy League POY
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: chgojhawk on June 10, 2016, 04:53:02 pm
He has a little Rick Sutcliffe in the way curls the ball behind his back but the comparison ends there. He stops his motion when curling the ball. He also has some up and down in his wind up which I never understood but even some major leaguers do that. Didn't miss a bat the whole inning.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 04:47:26 pm
Ridings pitching instructor is also apparently a Cubs scout...good article here...

http://www.longislandernews.com/sports-archives/cgi-baseball-product-rises-as-mlb-prospect
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 04:41:00 pm
Video from a few years ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gulYnXjjolY
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 10, 2016, 04:39:12 pm
Craig was a  Chemistry major, and he went undrafted.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 04:37:59 pm
Craig will be pumped to hear that Ridings is a chemistry major at Haverford...

Edit: 3.9 GPA, 1920 SAT...he might go back to school...lol
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 04:36:22 pm
6-3, 2.62 ERA

65.1 IP, 87 K

up to 95, fringe secondary stuff, delivery needs work, but strong arm, per Mayo
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2016, 04:33:43 pm
Ridings, Stephen
Haverford Col
RHP
R/R
JR
--
6'8" 220lbs DOB: 08/14/95

Up to 95, fringy breaking pitches, delivery needs work.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2016, 04:33:03 pm
Cruz started all six conference playoff and NCAA tournament games, five as DH.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CurtOne on June 10, 2016, 04:28:22 pm
Easy big boy, I'm sure it wasn't in chemistry.   

Spelling, maybe.
Atomic energy
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 10, 2016, 04:10:11 pm
Cruz is pretty young for a college pick.  20, Just turned 20 this year. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: FDISK on June 10, 2016, 04:00:13 pm
Although Babe Ruth was profoundly unqualified as a burger flipper. He would have literally eaten up the profits.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2016, 03:59:55 pm
.325/.461/.605  16 HR, 38 BB, 26 SO, 200 AB

More bat than catching skills according to Jonathan Mayo would had to reach out to scout friends about him.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 03:59:48 pm
Cruz is more bat than catcher, apparently...
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: FDISK on June 10, 2016, 03:57:11 pm
Not that there is anything wrong with burger flippers.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 03:56:23 pm
Before Bethune-Cookman
Played two seasons at Clarendon College… Named the 2014 Baseball I All-American Second Team member… Also a Western Junior College Athletic Conference all-league performer in 2014… Played as a designated hitter and catcher… Batted .442 as a sophomore in 2015… Recorded 10 home runs and 45 RBI for the season… Added 43 runs and swiped two stolen bases…

Puerto Rico Baseball Academy
Prepped at Puerto Rico Baseball Academy under head coach Carlos Rivera… Played as a catcher, first baseman and outfielder… Went 4-for-4 on May 8, registering a home run and a double in Miami as a senior… All-conference performer as a senior… Named an All-America performer… Led the league in home runs, accumulating more than 100 in his career as a four-year letterwinner… Helped team to a league title as a senior… All-conference, All-America and Team MVP performer in his junior season… Team won the state championship during his junior campaign… Batted .420 as a freshman, and then went .415 at the dish as a sophomore…

Personal
Born to parents Carlos Cruz and Luiz M. Rosario on January 13, 1996… Has two siblings – Carlos (27) and Kimberly (28)… Enjoys hunting in his time away from the baseball field… Chose to attend Bethune-Cookman because of the scholarship offer to play baseball and earn a collegiate degree… Greatest sports memory is blasting a grand slam in high school… Lists Yadier Molina as his favorite athlete because he is a leader and a good example of men to follow… Favorite movies are Avatar and The Avengers… His most prized possession is having Jesus Christ as his savior… Says if he were not attending B-CU, then he would still be attempting to play baseball… Most influential people in his life are God, his parents and girlfriend…Favorite book is The Bible…
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: FDISK on June 10, 2016, 03:56:08 pm
I think there are lot of very smart, high character 20-year-olds who have been in academic troubles.  Be nice.

Babe Ruth would have been academically ineligible for burger flipper.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 03:53:24 pm
Michael Cruz, C, Bethune-Cookman
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: chgojhawk on June 10, 2016, 03:53:13 pm
Michael Cruz Catcher
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 10, 2016, 03:51:44 pm
Just found it interesting, because the Cubs have seemed to emphasize guys with brains and character and stuff.  But, at this point in draft, you're looking for value.  So, perhaps a rumor emerges which is disadvantageous for the player  And the Cubs do their due diligence (without any 1st or 2nd round picks, they've got more time to spend on 6th-round types than anybody else, right?), evaluate to the contrary, and the rumor provides the door to opportunity?   
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2016, 03:51:13 pm
Seems unusual for the Cubs to go after an "academic troubles" guy. 

Talent might have outweighed it, especially in the 6th round. He might not have make up issues either, it could just be academics aren't his thing.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: FDISK on June 10, 2016, 03:45:28 pm
Easy big boy, I'm sure it wasn't in chemistry.   

Spelling, maybe.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 10, 2016, 03:37:40 pm
Chad Hockin, RHP, Cal State Fullerton

...The right-hander was on the shelf for what scouts were told was both for some academic trouble and because of elbow tenderness. ....

Seems unusual for the Cubs to go after an "academic troubles" guy. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2016, 03:17:21 pm
Chad Hockin, RHP Cal State Fullerton.

Velocity down at the end of the year.  Reliever.

BA #104
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 03:16:30 pm
Chad Hockin, RHP, Cal State Fullerton

A reliever since his high school days in Southern California, Hockin's stock took off with a dominant Cape Cod League performance. The uptick in his stuff on the Cape carried over to his junior year at Fullerton, where he showed closer-type stuff, at least until his stuff backed up a touch after a two-weekend layoff. For most of the season, Hockin has been operating with two premium pitches: a fastball up to 97 mph and a slider touching 89 mph. He throws both pitches for strikes, though he knows how to expand the zone with his breaking ball effectively, and misses bats with both offerings. The right-hander was on the shelf for what scouts were told was both for some academic trouble and because of elbow tenderness. When he did return, Hockin's fastball was more in the 92-94 range and he did appear tentative in throwing his devastating slider. Scouts were willing to chalk that up more to inactivity than any long-term concern. He didn't return to closing, but that was more because of a deep Fullerton bullpen than a problem with Hockin's stuff, which did bounce back. He could still end up as one of the first relievers to fly off the board.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 02:41:20 pm
After producing just one top-three-rounds pitcher (Scott Schoeneweis) in the first 47 Drafts, Duke has had two in the past four years with Marcus Stroman and Michael Matuella. The Blue Devils had a chance for another in Clark, who starred in brief stints in the Cape Cod League and with the U.S. collegiate national team last summer. He looked like a possible first-rounder when he showed a mid-90s fastball while allowing a total of three runs in his first three starts this spring, but then his velocity and command dipped and he found himself out of the weekend rotation by mid-April. Clark was on scouts' radar when he went undrafted as a North Carolina high schooler in 2013, and his stuff has picked up as he has matured physically in college. His fastball can reach 99 mph and features nasty run and sink when it's at his best, and he has made strides with his 83-86 mph slider that also can be overpowering at times. However, there's a significant amount of effort in his delivery, which makes it tough for him to maintain his velocity and locate his pitches. Evaluators don't love Clark's arm action either, and a growing number believe he's destined for the bullpen in pro ball. He wouldn't have to worry about pacing himself or having to be as fine with his pitches in shorter stints, and he might have closer upside if he improved the consistency of his breaking ball. If he's going to stay in the rotation, he'll need to improve his changeup.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2016, 02:26:49 pm
Bailey Clark, RHP Duke

High 90's fastball, mid 80's slider.  Max effort delivery.  Was a top 50 prospect coming into the year, but sounds like a reliever now.

#132 for BA.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 02:11:20 pm
Milwaukee's 5th rounder, Kentucky RHP Zack Brown, was a 38th rounder of the Cubs in 2013.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 10, 2016, 02:07:11 pm
19 for a college junior is pretty young.  He sounds interesting, lots of interesting guys on the scrap heap too.

I goofed it, he's 20 turning 21.  NOT that young.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2016, 02:06:11 pm
Miller turns 20 next month, so not super young but he's got time.  The report, "up to 93", "glimpse of a decent slider" don't sound super wow.   92K/107 innings in D2 isn't super overwhelming, either. 

Clearly a projection guy for the development team.  His delivery looks like it could get reworked. 

This is the kind of guy that you have your scouting team for, and your development system.  Hopefully scouting and development will work out well. 

19 for a college junior is pretty young.  He sounds interesting, lots of interesting guys on the scrap heap too.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: FDISK on June 10, 2016, 01:59:52 pm
Hatch works!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_chile#/media/File:Hatch_green_chile.jpg
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 10, 2016, 01:58:46 pm
Miller enters the draft as a top-200 prospect at 189th overall, which – if holds – would make him the highest-ever selection in CBU history. Oaks currently holds that distinction after the Dodgers took him in the seventh round at 219th overall in 2014 after being the 199th-ranked prospect going into the draft.
 
 The right-handed pitcher, Miller, was a three-time All-West Region selection in Division II this season after posting a 2.27 earned-run average and a 1.05 WHIP. He collected nine victories and struck out 92 batters in 107 innings.

Miller turns 21 next month, so not super young but he's got time.  The report, "up to 93", "glimpse of a decent slider" don't sound super wow.   92K/107 innings in D2 isn't super overwhelming, either. 

Clearly a projection guy for the development team.  His delivery looks like it could get reworked. 

This is the kind of guy that you have your scouting team to find, and your development system to optimize.  Hopefully scouting and development will work out well. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 10, 2016, 01:53:50 pm
http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/clemson-regional-thomas-hatch/#jcYRz58cROzuDVwE.97

Recent BA piece on Hatch.  Sounds like a smart, dedicated guy.  Interesting about the change in arm slot. 

A low-90's sinker is a very good pitch, if you can control it consistently.  As with all college pitches, easier to throw regularly in the 90's on full-week rest than in the pros, so we'll see. 

 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 01:45:51 pm
Miller enters the draft as a top-200 prospect at 189th overall, which – if holds – would make him the highest-ever selection in CBU history. Oaks currently holds that distinction after the Dodgers took him in the seventh round at 219th overall in 2014 after being the 199th-ranked prospect going into the draft.
 
 The right-handed pitcher, Miller, was a three-time All-West Region selection in Division II this season after posting a 2.27 earned-run average and a 1.05 WHIP. He collected nine victories and struck out 92 batters in 107 innings.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: DelMarFan on June 10, 2016, 01:43:17 pm
We need a button for "Good enough for spur of the moment but not your finest work."
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 01:42:49 pm
Tyson Miller, RHP, Cal Baptist

It can be hard sometimes for pitchers at small programs to get noticed by the scouting industry. Pitching extremely well in the Cape Cod League, as Miller did last summer, made everyone put Division II California Baptist on their must-see destinations this spring. For the most part, Miller backed up his Cape showing with a strong junior season. The fact that he his starts came largely on Wednesdays or Thursdays actually helped him get seen more, as it didn't conflict with Division I weekend series. Tall and projectable, with loose actions and a lean, athletic body, the 6-foot-4 Miller will flash a fastball up to 93 mph, with the potential for more once he gets into a player development system. He'll show glimpses of a decent slider and has an average changeup to round out his three-pitch arsenal. Miller tends to throw strikes, though he is more control over command at this point. The earliest a Cal Baptist player has ever been drafted was in 2014, when the Dodgers took Trevor Oaks in the seventh round. Miller's size and upside potential give him the chance to beat Oaks by a couple of rounds.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 01:26:36 pm
Funkhowser to Det in the 4th.

He turned down the Dodgers last year when his slot value was $1,756,100 for the #35 overall pick.  This year he's the #115 pick with a slot value of $516,200 and has no more NCAA eligibility so no bargaining power.  Bad g@mble for him and his agent Scott Boras.  Another player screwed for listening to Boras.  Hope he's smart enough to ditch Boras.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Playtwo on June 10, 2016, 01:19:17 pm
I'm down with Hatch.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: DelMarFan on June 10, 2016, 01:17:25 pm
Quote
Way less cool of a name.

Yeah, there will be some opportunities for P2, but pretty disappointing as far as names go.  Hoping for a Condor Cash or a Rock Shoulders later in the later rounds.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2016, 01:15:28 pm
Funkhowser to Det in the 4th.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2016, 01:11:41 pm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0FZpoqhLBu8
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 01:10:26 pm
Sounds a little like Aaron Nola (he said hopefully)...

Slot value was only $573,900 for Tom Hatch so not a significant financial hit if he doesn't make it.

Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 01:04:21 pm
Sounds a little like Aaron Nola (he said hopefully)...
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Deeg on June 10, 2016, 01:04:20 pm
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/40395496/v738058383/draft-report-thomas-hatch-college-pitcher
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dihard on June 10, 2016, 01:02:18 pm
Way less cool of a name.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2016, 01:02:10 pm
MLB

-3/4 arm slot
- Missed last year with an elbow ligament injury.  OSU dropped his arm slot
- 91-94 fastball with run, flashes plus slider with a feel for a change
- They liked the pick

#178 for BA FWIW
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 01:01:50 pm
Coming out of Jenks (Okla.) High in 2013, Hatch could have gone in the top three rounds had he been considered signable. Instead, he lasted until the Rockies took him in the 32nd round and headed to Oklahoma State. After he missed all of 2015 with a sprained ulnar collateral ligament in his elbow that didn't require surgery, he has worked his way back into the first three rounds during a spring in which he threw three consecutive shutouts and won Big 12 Conference pitcher of the year honors. The Cowboys have dropped Hatch's arm slot to low three-quarters, adding more life to his stuff. The redshirt sophomore can sit at 91-94 mph with his fastball deep into games and top out at 96. He doesn't miss a ton of bats but the running and sinking life on his heater generates a lot of groundouts. Hatch's new arm slot lends itself well to a slider, and his low-80s breaking ball is a plus pitch at times and he can throw it to both sides of the plate. He has feel for a changeup and for commanding his pitches, so it's easy to project him as a starter at the next level.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Robb on June 10, 2016, 12:59:56 pm
Tom Hatch SP
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2016, 12:59:52 pm
Tom Hatch, RHP, OSU
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 12:56:10 pm
I'm predicting Funkhouser goes to the Royals with the pick just before the Cubs and whomever the Cubs pick Jason McLeod will claim he had him rated the 2nd best player in the draft after Mickey Moniak.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CurtOne on June 10, 2016, 12:49:53 pm
Funky Kylehouser.  Cool.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 12:48:51 pm

Kyle Funkhouser's decision to turn down the Dodgers last year is looking worse and worse.

Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 12:46:18 pm
I'm a fan of both of these guys as well...some of you may recognize one's last name...

 http://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/college/ole-miss/2016/06/07/thomas-dillard-grae-kessinger-choosing-between-ole-miss-draft/85546472/

Dillard is one of those guys who creates a different sound when the ball comes off his bat. He crushes...from both sides of the plate...
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2016, 12:32:03 pm
Yeah, it's the guy!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwekxWpC4w
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: chgojhawk on June 10, 2016, 12:28:13 pm
Kyle Funkhouser, big RHP from Louisville

Oak Forest native, #35 overall pick last year by LAD (?), did not sign and went back to Louisville...

Is he related to the guy on Curb Your Enthusiasm?
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: DelMarFan on June 10, 2016, 12:10:01 pm
Count me in for Funkhouser, but mostly because I love the name.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 10, 2016, 10:50:31 am
Kyle Funkhouser, big RHP from Louisville

Oak Forest native, #35 overall pick last year by LAD (?), did not sign and went back to Louisville...

Thanks.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Playtwo on June 10, 2016, 10:48:29 am
Probably a Sox fan.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 10:47:58 am
Kyle Funkhouser, big RHP from Louisville

Oak Forest native, #35 overall pick last year by LAD (?), did not sign and went back to Louisville...
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 10, 2016, 10:46:43 am
Who is Funkhouser?
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2016, 10:44:56 am
With Boras as an agent?  Guessing not much.

Funkhouser is interesting.  His stuff was bad most of the year and he has started to get it back now.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 10:39:56 am
I'd like to see them take Funkhouser if he's on the board. How low could we go on him, considering his lack of leverage?
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: craig on June 10, 2016, 10:38:00 am
Tough-sign overslot guys cost money.  Money for over-slot is afforded by 3 things: 
1.  overage on your high picks
2.  Underslot signings on your high picks.
3.  Senior-sign underplots on late picks. 

We have no access to either of the first two sources.  So I don't think they'll really have much access to significant overslot tough-signs. 

They may be able to go slightly over-slot, as with Hudson last year, or DJ Wilson, or maybe one Carson Sands type, or one Underwood. 

But for the most part I think they'll need to try to just out scout the competition.  As Blue says, out-scout on some projectable guy.  Outscout/outgamle on an injury-concern or rehab guy.  Outscout/outproject on a position-to-pitching conversion guy. 
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2016, 10:14:45 am
Well if they are trying to find a TORP guy

1.) Tall/thin high school pitchers
2.) Pitchers with injury concerns
3.) Position players with questionable bats and good arms that have dabbled in pitching

The lefty they took from Vanderbilt last year was injured most of the year and is back to pitching now.  He might be a guy they take at some point.  I would guess the will do some senior signs later, because they are pretty good at finding interesting guys and hopefully they can find a Clifton or two.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 10, 2016, 10:13:42 am
That is the question.  Do we overpay one in the hopes of hitting a jackpot, or do we pay everyone slot in order to lower the ceiling, but increase the overall floor?

If there is one Cease out there, do we gamble everything on him, or do we spread it around and hope we get lucky that way, perhaps getting a couple of Ryan Williams (Is he injured, by the way?).
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: papa smurf on June 10, 2016, 09:54:56 am
do we try to save with other picks and overpay him
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: davep on June 10, 2016, 09:54:45 am
I agree that, absent any specific information about any specific player that might be available, a high school pitcher, perhaps one with recent TJS, might be the way to go on the first pick.  They have the smallest about of pool money (something over 2 million if I remember), but 2 million should be able to get just about any high school pitcher still available.  Pick college seniors with the rest of the top ten rounds if you have to.

After reading the interview of Hoyer, another thing that we might expect is going after light hitting position players with good arms that would be converted to pitcher.  There are usually a number of catchers, shortstops and third basemen with strong arms that might be interesting.
Title: Re: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: CurtOne on June 10, 2016, 09:23:03 am
I'm going to guess we take the best pitcher available that other teams are avoiding because he might be a tough sign.  Perhaps he says he wants to go to school or whatever, but he's highly rated.  Probably high school or no more than a college sophomore. 
Title: Cubs Draft 2016
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2016, 09:19:41 am
OK, so we finally get to make a pick or two...discuss our picks here