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Quinn who was backup for many years.
When Bears hired his OC Gary Crowton he brought Quinn with him.
We quickly saw Quinn couldn’t play a lick.
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Gary Kubiak.
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I always think of Danny White...punter and backup QB behind Staubach...
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Don Strock (J/K, not sure how much Don made, but he had the best job in football at the time)...
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Who’s had it better than that?
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That's pretty good jack and he'll still be able to bend over and pick up the grandkids. $38,000,000! that's $4,750,000 per TD! Geeeoddd!
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'Argument doesn't exist'...
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Wow....
Daniel’s career has been nothing short of remarkable. He’s thrown for 1,694 yards, eight touchdowns, and seven touchdowns — for his entire career — yet has made more than $38 million in career earnings.
I am assuming that is supposed to be 8 TDs and 7 INTs.
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Here is a shock till you read it:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/07/former-bears-backup-qb-chase-daniel-suddenly-has-a-trade-market/
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Sounds about like a Pace splash
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/07/chicago-bears-kyle-long-quarterback-russell-wilson/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&env=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
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No QB will have success until you have a decent O-line
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The only problem I have with Wilson is his age. At 32 how many good years does he have left? And its not like he is going to be getting spectacular Oline protection here. Watson on the other hand, at 25 has a lot of good years left. If you are going to give up the farm, do it for the guy who is going to be around for longer.
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Thats the way to go. Trouble is we have made too many mistakes in the draft.
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I'm tired of giving up picks. Build through the draft and supplement through free agency...
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I am honestly worried they will.
I want him as our QB but with that price Wilson would be screwing himself and us.
That is why Alex Smith makes more sense to me. No picks given up and we could carry him and Foles.
Maybe it is a smoke screen to drive down the price on Watson. I hope so anyway.
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That's way too high a price.....they'll do it...
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I wouldn’t be so sure they’ll be fired next year.
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It matters little what we think. Pace and Nagy are going to get fired if they don't win next year. They are going to go all in if they think it means they can save their jobs.
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Fukk that!
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Hmmmm. They’re talking 3 first rounders and a player or two for Russell Wilson.
The guy is 32 years old that’s a pretty heavy price.
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Alex Smith wouldn't last long with the Bears OL.
Talk about putting the cart before the horse, No team is going to the draft first then get a FA QB.
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Foles will be here as a back up unless he gets traded.
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I dont think the bears are going to eat money on the Foles contract to pay new money to Smith. Unless Foles is part of a qb upgrade trade, he's on the bears next year.
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Alex Smith wouldn't last long with the Bears OL.
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I would love Russell Wilson but no way can the Bears give up 3 first round picks and players to get him.
Watson I would like but wouldn't give more then one first round pick for him.
Pace would trip over himself to pull the trigger if Seattle or Houston agreed to trade their QBs for 3 ones + player(s) and the rest of the league know it. Now how do upgrade the line with no picks and no cap space? Well the crazy bastard will work hard and collaborate on that later.
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My point is that he would be a cheaper backup QB than Foles and a backup and mentor to a rookie QB. I agree that the possibility of him as the starter is not appealing. However that said, he is more appealing to me than this trash:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/04/5-quarterbacks-the-bears-could-realistically-pursue-in-free-agency/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&env=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
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Alex Smith played really poorly last season. I'd have pretty low expectations that a guy in his late thirties who has had some serious injuries is going to get back to being a decent nfl qb.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/3-reasons-alex-smith-is-everything-the-bears-need-at-qb-in-2021/ar-BB1ehz9p?ocid=uxbndlbing
That might be a reasonable option.
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Smith looks too much like Rodgers....don't like him.... ;D
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It would make a lot of sense. We wouldn't have to give up draft picks we can't afford. He knows the system and was with Nagy for 5 years.
I would love Russell Wilson but no way can the Bears give up 3 first round picks and players to get him.
Watson I would like but wouldn't give more then one first round pick for him.
Ryan Fitzpatrick may also be a solution.
We can't just go with Foles but we can't afford to give up the future for a QB when there are so many holes already.
The Bears are over the cap but so is just about everyone else due to Covid and the "Get Woke Crusade" that drove tons of fans away. So lot's of players are going to get cut and then re-signed for less. Which is going to cause a lot of player movement this off season. It is going to be wild.
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fixed.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/3-reasons-alex-smith-is-everything-the-bears-need-at-qb-in-2021/ar-BB1ehz9p?ocid=uxbndlbing
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He was drafted in 2019. And the only knock on him was he was his size l - around 5-9 175. He was competitive and productive in college.
He had decent straight ahead speed but maybe didn't have the best agility or quickness. Can't expect too much from a late 6th rounder.
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Wasnt Shelly drafted a few years ago? Was supposedly very speedy?
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Both Shelly and Vildor are young and in-experienced players. So there's room for improvement. Can Vildor compete with Shelly for nickel? I dunno.
Otherwise, I could see the Bears addressing nickel in the draft - maybe as early as round 3. Recall the impact Bryce Callahan on that 2018 defense - it's an important position.
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I watched a replay of the second Green Bay game and every time Rogers needed a play he picked on Shelly.
Shelly seems to lack the quickness to keep up.
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Shelley never should have made the roster.
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In his 3 starts Vildor allowed 11 receptions for 105 yards.
He wasn’t great but it looks like opponents didn’t see him making huge mistakes in coverage that they could exploit.
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Shelley looked awful every time I saw him on the field...
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I don't know about Vildor. It didn't seem like he was targeted and abused in his few starts. Bears may have been helping him out in coverage. Can either Vildor or Shelley replace Skrine? Or do the Bears need to draft a nickel that falls in the draft because he's undersized.
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And Vildor looked like he can play when he replaced Johnson.
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Johnson, when healthy, was a first round talent. If he can recover from his shoulder issues the Bears might have gotten themselves a mini-steal.
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Finally in today’s presser someone in the Chicago media asked about Mack and Johnson’s shoulder injuries.
Brad Biggs. Pace said neither required surgery.
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I don't see the Bears letting him walk. Hopefully, they tag him and either keep him or trade him.
What do you think the Bears could get for him? Probably not a #1. Maybe a 2 or a 3?
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-wr-allen-robinson-play-152500669.html
I think that if the Bears put the franchise tag on Allen Robinson that if ARob wants to play in 2021 it'll be with the franchise tag or he wont play at all. If not he is loonier than a fruitcake
I really dont think untill the cap issue is decided any team has any idea where they are at. I wouldnt reccomend to Robinson that he start rattling sabres and burning bridges. I dont believe he is in the position to dictate anything.
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I watched NFLN replay of the last game against the packers.
Nearly all the crucial plays went against Duke Shelly subbing for Skrine.
The team never really discussed Jaylon Johnson’s shoulder injury so it’s a concern after 3 shoulder surgeries.
Along with Fullers $20m cap hit and Skrine getting picked on the corner situation is a concern.
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Bears were second in the league in least amount of drops with 12. I saw a list of the leaders and Miller was not listed, which means he could have dropped 4 or less last season. A-Rob was an all-pro and Mooney all-rookie, plus you throw in Montgomery and Graham/Kmet and there's not a whole lot of targets left for our remaining receivers.
He's under contract for another year and I have no problems in him competing for the #3 job with Wims and Ridley. His $1M cap hit is minimal.
You keep him whether you keep A-Rob or not.
If you want to focus on a position of need how about nickel back. How many games did our corners do a good job only to get victimized by Skrine getting beat?
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Miter was rookie of the year then when the Seahawks changed OC’s every year the next 4 years he tanked.
So what do the Bears do? trade a first round pick for him.
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The Mirer trade was so typical of the Bears. I don't hardly remember him playing..
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That's one bad offseason.
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An excerpt from a piece written for The Athletic today...
The Chicago Bears needed a quarterback. Imagine that. They also needed a tight end. Determined to fill both needs during the 1997 NFL offseason, the Bears had fateful decisions to make. Very fateful decisions.
If they decided to use their first-round pick for a tight end, they would most likely select Cal’s Tony Gonzalez with the 11th overall choice, then use their second-round pick for Arizona State quarterback Jake “The Snake” Plummer. But if they decided to make quarterback the higher priority, they would trade the 11th pick to the Seattle Seahawks for Rick Mirer, who they preferred over the underwhelming college prospects available that year.
Spoiler alert: The Bears did not select Gonzalez, whose bust currently resides in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, or Plummer, the only quarterback from the 1997 draft to start more than 10 games in the league. They instead came away with Mirer and second-round tight end John Allred, who finished his career with 30 receptions, or 1,295 fewer than Gonzalez collected.
It all seems so simple now. It was not so simple then.
Two decades before the Bears would trade up to select Mitch Trubisky when they could have had Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson, the organization traded the 11th choice in the 1997 draft to Seattle for a fourth-round pick and Mirer, whose tenure with the Bears would include three starts, zero touchdown passes, a single touchdown drive, six interceptions and a whole lot of opportunity cost.
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This seems to make the most sense:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/21/chicago-bears-could-re-sign-mitchell-trubisky-free-agency/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
If the price is right It makes the right choice for both
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It's really hard to tell how productive any of the teams wideouts could be with a QB who can't get them the ball and a line that can't pass protect.....those two things need done this offseason. If they do not get rid of Leno, replace him, they are NOT serious about winning.......period.....
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Here’s the rest of the piece on Miller from your link...
Personally, I believe the talent is there and it’s another mismanaged situation by Nagy. Inconsistent snaps lead to inconsistent play and Matt Nagy’s unwillingness to adjust to the skill set of Anthony Miller limits his production. I wouldn’t be shocked if we saw Miller go to another team and look like a completely different player. It happens so often I’m about to coin the term the Nagy Effect.
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That wasn’t my intention. I hoped maybe you could recall the episode where they said that, or at least around which part of the season they said that. I do watch them all...mostly to laugh at Leno’s feeble efforts. I don’t recall them saying that about AM.
Reading the link you posted, I agree that the “Nagy effect” is a very real thing. AM would be a star with a better QB. Cutting him would be a mistake.
We aren’t changing each other’s mind, so best to let it slide...
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Dave23,
I do not normally try to go out of my way to argue with anyone on internet as its unproductive. However your ...I'll wait...comment kinda was dick.
I am not going to re-watch all the tape never lies just to point out what they said.
In terms of being a dick. I wasn't going to mention it previously but this article I posted earlier https://ontapsportsnet.com/2021/02/19/chicago-bears-potential-2021-offseason-cap-casualties/
specifically points out Miller's route running.
Aside from the ejection, Miller’s production has decreased since 2018. In his rookie season, it looked like Miller could be a highly productive slot receiver. But over the last three years, we kept getting the ‘attention to detail’ reports. Miller was always running his routes one yard too deep or one yard too shallow. Matt Nagy wants to run a systematic offense and Miller strives as an improvisational player. It seems like Miller is either making miraculous catches or dropping routine catches.
Prove to me you know what you are talking about....I'll wait...
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What he said. ;)
If Trubisky could put the ball where it needs to be, with more spiral and less wounded duck, this wouldn't be an issue. Any talk of not being a "team player" is nonsense...ask his teammates what they think of him. As far as blocking downfield, yes, sometimes I can admit he looks like the effort isn't there. Maybe his coaches told him to take it easy on that due to his bum shoulder? Better to be on the field than not...
I watch every episode of "The Tape Never Lies"...can someone tell me the one where they complained about him making him one-handed catches where two hands was possible?
I'll wait...
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I agree about the bears being not much more than a mediocre team. When you have 2 players that represent 25% of your cap and they're not lighting it up every other play, you've got problems. We have an aging team, that's the result of two things. No draft picks and poor choices with what draft picks we had. A good GM eliminates the "our window is closing". A good GM is key, and we don't have one..
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On Miller watch the tape never lies. He always trying to make 1 hand catch when he could use 2. Never blocks downfield for RB. Not team player. Sometimes its addition by subtraction. I fully believe we would be better team without him. I also believe the same about Wims.
What he said. ;)
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After really researching our cap situation. Ownership really f'ed up not making GM/coaching change this year. We are in a bad situation with aging players and no cap space. The Quinn deal was a killer, really bad signing.
We only have 5 draft picks and a lot of holes to fill. I really do not think we have any hope of being anything but mediocre for next few years.
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As long as the Bears don't give up long term assets (draft picks) the next regime will at least have a chance not having to dig themselves out of a huge hole.....
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https://ontapsportsnet.com/2021/02/19/chicago-bears-potential-2021-offseason-cap-casualties/
I think we do cut all of these guys. Hicks would definitely hurt but if you want to keep ARob going to have to make painful decisions. I see us having a rookie RT starting.
Would not be surprised to see the draft go like this:
Rd 1 RT
Rd 2 DT
Rd 3 WR
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https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/cap/
Salary Cap details. This year understanding the cap just as important as everything else.
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Darnolds original rookie deal has 1 yr left, Minshew has 2 yrs left.
Minshew is also getting paid 300k less salary. Both on rookie deals and are cheap in comparison to vet QB's.
Let's face it Bears cannot afford a Watson or Carr. Not unless they unload Mack, Fuller and Hicks. Definitely do not have enough money to sign ARob and bring in vet QB.
One of the rookie contract guys makes most sense to try and make one last run with our defense. Our key defensive guys are getting older 2 year window max.
On Miller watch the tape never lies. He always trying to make 1 hand catch when he could use 2. Never blocks downfield for RB. Not team player. Sometimes its addition by subtraction. I fully believe we would be better team without him. I also believe the same about Wims.
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you guys sound crazy talking about trading Foles, no GM in the league is going to take on that contract.
Well. There is one who will...
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Foles remaining contract is a base of 2/12.
That is not horrible for a backup at all.
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you guys sound crazy talking about trading Foles, no GM in the league is going to take on that contract.
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Thats your guy alright. I like interceptions too but not Bears QBs being intercepted. Thats a turnover machine.
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I want someone who will take chances downfield.
I'm tired of watching QB's throw 2 yard checkdown passes on 3rd and long!
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I hope they keep Miller, he's got talent, and sign another veteran receiver because of the Wims/Ridley lack of production.
Darnold ha as much talent as anyone out there. He takes stupid chances because he's a competitor and since he has so little help.........
If they were to give up one or more picks no higher than the 3rd round I would be ok with that.
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If we are trading for someone (within reason), he’s actually the guy I’d like most...pending cost, of course. He’s still only 23, and has all the tools.
Honestly, I haven’t watched him much at all as a pro...after all, he’s a Jet. Who watches them? I do remember him lighting it up at the Rose Bowl, though...
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Man I hope this doesnt happen. It seems the NFL wants it to happen:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/field-yates-predicts-next-bears-224117620.html
It would be disaster waiting to happen
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That’s simply not true at all.
Miller has been known for his route running since his days at Memphis. It was one of his strengths prior to the draft.
As far as the “punch”, it was a bullshit call and everyone knows it. It wasn’t even a punch as much as it was a shove, and there are always much more egregious actions that aren’t called...in every game.
Get him a QB that will look his way, and he’s a 1000 yard receiver.
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Miller is undisciplined. And not just the punch the other guy, but also route running. That is his problem, not where he is supposed to be when he is supposed to be there. If a QB cant trust the WR to be in a spot how can he throw to him? I'm done with Miller. I like Ridley, he is supposed to be a very good route runner, but he is in someones dog house, as they never let him play. On the rare chance he gets, he always seems to do well.
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Miller has never been a primary target...always an afterthought...
When he has been prioritized, he has produced. Our QB just never seemed to look his way.
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Miller was supposed to be a top 2 guy.
Mooney, a 5th round pick, has taken that role.
Tampa made the Super Bowl this year with top 3 WR of Evans, Godwin and Brown.
Offense needs to improve at every level.
Simply franchising A-Rob and bringing the same group back doesn't move the needle.
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Minshew is an option, but only if we trade Foles. I don't think we need to recreate the Jags 2019 QB room.
Minshew has 37 TDs against 11 Ints for his career. His comp % was 66.1% last year.
For comparison, Trubisky has 64 TDs against 37 Ints for his career. Comp % was 67% last year.
Whoever we end up with needs to be given better depth at WR. Desean Jackson just got released by the Eagles.
He'd be good in a #3/#4 role. Speed guy like Mooney who can keep defenses honest.
Hasn't been able to stay on the field, so cost shouldn't be prohibitive.
Should be adding another WR via draft as well. Javon Wims and Riley Ridley are not answers.
Jackson is 34 years old. In the last 2 season he's played 8 games. Ted Ginn was fast too and ignored in the Bears offense. Now if A-Rob or a suitable replacement isn't signed then maybe, but he's not a #1 or #2.
Not sure why folks are so down on Wims/Ridley and Miller. They aren't top 2 guys. And when they got on the field they weren't primary or secondary targets, or our QB didn't have the time (or ability) to get the ball to them as 3rd or 4th option.
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The Bears sold the future with the Mack trade.
It's really going to hurt the roster if they do it again for a QB.
I'd rather they build the OL and roster, may draft a middle round QB like the Stanford, Georgia or Cincy guys but not make a big trade yet.
I agree Its why Minshew makes more sense from a dollar and sense standpoint
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The Bears sold the future with the Mack trade.
It's really going to hurt the roster if they do it again for a QB.
I'd rather they build the OL and roster, may draft a middle round QB like the Stanford, Georgia or Cincy guys but not make a big trade yet.
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I have to agree that Minshew would be interesting. I think he is a guy you can win with. Why could you not keep Foles as a backup? Takes two decent Qb's in this league. I would call Foles an excellent backup.
Ever time I watch Riley Ridley I like what I am seeing. Obviously the coaches do not like him. I think given more of an opportunity he is a 3rd WR on a team. I would rather get rid of Wims and Miller.
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Minshew is an option, but only if we trade Foles. I don't think we need to recreate the Jags 2019 QB room.
Minshew has 37 TDs against 11 Ints for his career. His comp % was 66.1% last year.
For comparison, Trubisky has 64 TDs against 37 Ints for his career. Comp % was 67% last year.
Whoever we end up with needs to be given better depth at WR. Desean Jackson just got released by the Eagles.
He'd be good in a #3/#4 role. Speed guy like Mooney who can keep defenses honest.
Hasn't been able to stay on the field, so cost shouldn't be prohibitive.
Should be adding another WR via draft as well. Javon Wims and Riley Ridley are not answers.
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Grappolo has been mentioned here as well as Minchew. Both are under contract though.
That doesnt mean they arent on somebody's do not trade list. If the price were decent enough both might be more cost effective than what we have been bidding on.
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With a less dominant defense though.
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Put me down for upgrading the O-line. Bolster the run game. I feel like we're back where we were around 2000, with Miller and Mathews..
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Grappolo has been mentioned here as well as Minchew. Both are under contract though.
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I dont believe that is a bad solution. Upgrading the OLine should be priority one. We do need a backup to Foles though.
One name out there thats not mentioned is Garappolo. Pace tried to get him away from the Pats with no luck. It wouldnt shock me to find out he's available cheaply
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I’d keep Foles and upgrade the OL.
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I don't think Wentz would have been terrible. I think Nagy would've beat any good out of him and with what Pace would've given up for him would set back the next coaching/GM regime coming in in 2022..... :D
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Bears are already saddled with a horrific contract with the vomit inducing Foles. No way would they pick up Wentz's ridiculous contract. Bears have dodged a bullet.
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God help the Bears if they get Sam Darnold.........
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Everybody poo poos potential Bear QB suggestions but few offer any options. Yeah I could sit on my ass here and just say this guy or that guy is no good but when you are a beggar drafting 20 with limited cap you can't be a chooser.
Got any ideas? Let's hear them.
I'd sign Fitzpatrick and keep Foles. Let them fight it out in camp. Id draft a OT and WR in the first 2. Id take the best athlete/arm QB in the third and keep him as qb 3 with no intent to play him this year. But im not trying to keep a gm job, so i doubt this will happen.
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The guy has never been what he was before he blew the knee. Bears totally screwed up with the one shot in the draft and now towel boy is at the thrift store picking over whatever leavings are the least broken and don’t smell to bad.
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I think the best choices are Watson, Wilson, or Carr. If we can't get one of those 3 via a trade, I feel Trubisky is better than all of the other retreads being kicked around - including Foles.
Don't be surprised when...
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Wow! SCORE said the Eagles are eating Wentz’s entire 2021 salary cap hit if $34m.
How bad did they want to get rid of him.
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I think we make too much of "Nagy"s offense. A QB has to be able to drop back or take the snap via the shotgun, read a defense, and hit the standard pass patterns: outs, ins, slants, wheel routes, bombs, etc It would also be nice to be able to rollout and run boot legs. Foles and just about any other able bodied NFL QB should be capable of running Nagy's offense. If he can't then Nagy has to modify it to fit the QBs strengths.
And BTW, do you see Tom Brady running around all day like Russell Wilson? Mobility and pocket presence doesn't mean you have to have the speed of Kyler Murray, but it certainly helps. Get a solid offensive line and you can execute just about anything.
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The other option I've suggested is to trade down our #20 and pickup a good OT late in round 1 or early round 2. Then with what we get with that trade down - trade up the round 2 pick to earlier in the round and draft Trask. He's not very mobile and he looked horrible against the Sooners in that bowl game but he was without his entire starting WR group and his talented TE.
Everybody poo poos potential Bear QB suggestions but few offer any options. Yeah I could sit on my ass here and just say this guy or that guy is no good but when you are a beggar drafting 20 with limited cap you can't be a chooser.
Got any ideas? Let's hear them.
Thats right beggars cant be choosers. And it doesnt appear we have the ability to acquire the QB to fit Nagy's offense. And other than Trask I dont see anything out there. And its not WHO is still out there, its who can
be made to fit what we need. I just dont see it, period.
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Taking on Wentz with his contract would have required roster changes even with some possible restructuring.
I suspect they would have said good bye to Fuller or Robinson.
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Glad they didn’t overpay for Wentz. I don’t want them to burn he next four years of our future so they can win nine games next year. I’d just as soon keep our draft picks and get the best offensive player available, if it was an offensive lineman, so much the better. Build the damn trenches. Foles can play if he’s has some time back there. Coach him up...get him in better shape. Get some FA for competition that’s not going to cost an arm and a leg, someone you don’t have to give up draft capital for.
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The other option I've suggested is to trade down our #20 and pickup a good OT late in round 1 or early round 2. Then with what we get with that trade down - trade up the round 2 pick to earlier in the round and draft Trask. He's not very mobile and he looked horrible against the Sooners in that bowl game but he was without his entire starting WR group and his talented TE.
Everybody poo poos potential Bear QB suggestions but few offer any options. Yeah I could sit on my ass here and just say this guy or that guy is no good but when you are a beggar drafting 20 with limited cap you can't be a chooser.
Got any ideas? Let's hear them.
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Mariota would be bad and I really dont think Carr is the gadget QB that Nagy covets.
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Im not sure about Marriota. Carr would probably be good, but not sure he is what we are missing. I have a feeling we are going to go into next season with Foles and a second or third round QB, and suuck again, and Pace and Nagy will get fired.
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Never change colors. I do like the orange unis.
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So you're suggesting we change our team colors...
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A third and a second seems like a pretty steep overpay for Wentz. The 2nd will be a first if he doesn't get hurt next year. I'm glad pace didn't pony up a matching package for Wentz.
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I told an eagles fan 2 years ago they were getting rid of the wrong QB. I know Foles isn't much but he plays lights out when he puts the green and white uni on...
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Derek Carr? I heard Mariotta is the Raider that may be on the block or possibly released.
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A third this year and a second/maybe first next year. Not exactly the 2/3 first round picks they said they wanted. Glad we didnt get him.
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Wentz to Colts for 2 picks.
Moving on to Derek Carr...
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bart-scott-carson-wentz-makes-171318396.html
Bart who? Dont think so. Any Qb needs protection and a run game. Bears dont have that. Even Mahomes's protection wasnt so hot and look what happened to him.
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Some thoughts after following a lot of NFL news this week:
Today I saw the Colts offered 2 seconds for Wentz. Supposedly the Bears and Colts are the main bidders.
Wentz was MVP material 2017 until his knee injury. He hasn’t been the same since. Some say he’s the most talented available other than Trevor Lawrence, assuming Watson is not available. For sure he’s a broken player and I don’t see giving much more than the Colts offered.
JJ Watt was seen around Chicago this weekend with his wife who I guess plays soccer or something there. Rumors are he could want to sign with the Bears. He was healthy for a change last year but I don’t know that he’s the impact player anymore that the media makes him out to be.
Singing Petrine was a little weird. Hopefully he can help Desigh. He wasn’t a great coordinator but his defenses played hard and were pretty effective with the talent available.
I’m worried about losing Fuller. His last contract dumps a lot into this year and there is talk the Bears can’t afford him. Losing him likely means replacing him with a lesser player.
The Ravens Ronni Stanley was injured most of last year and Orlando Brown replaced him at LT and played very well. He supposedly has asked to be traded since the Ravens will move him back to right tackle which pays less than a left tackle so he wants a LT opportunity.
He’s only 24 and could be a better option for the Bears than taking a chance on a rookie.
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He has very big shoes to fill if he will be HC next year
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https://twitter.com/brobnfl/status/1361387303357149185?s=21
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Yeah probably much cheaper
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With the cap dropping to $180 million, I wonder what FA signings will look like this year?
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Jeff Dickerson is a pud:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/14/chicago-bears-allen-robinson-free-agency-status/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c.
I think Pace is holding up due to cap questions. I hope they tag him. Robinson needs to find his market value. I think he has overpriced himself
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports-saturday/2021/2/13/22281113/o-line-upgrades-can-help-bears-address-qb-quandary
Very good article, well worth the read.
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Agreed and he was in college too. Dont want that in Chicago
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Darnold is an inaccurate turnover machine. 39 interceptions and 20 fumbles in 3 seasons. He has taken a lot of hits and been hurt because his line has been bad and he has poor pocket presence. I hope Pace doesnt target him.
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I dunno - I just haven't seen consistent accuracy beyond 10 yards, deep ball issues, and he doesn't have a good feel for pressure in the pocket.
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I said the same thing to some guys at work. Can you imagine if he goes to the Patriots and becomes a franchise QB?
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What would really seriously suck would be him going somewhere and then becoming what he should have been here, much like Floyd at DE....
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It will be interesting to see where Trubisky ends up.. And the outcome... I wasn't happy with the draft choice, but I blame a lot of his problems on coaching...
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Of course, your source is that shithole called Bearswire, so...
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LOL, he’s light years better than Trubisky.
If we could get him for just a 2nd rounder, we should be all over that.
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You gotta be crapping me:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/11/chicago-bears-possible-landing-spot-jets-sam-darnold/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
He sure isnt better than Trubisky. Cade McNown Jr. Good Grief, how moronic.
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Nagy and his staff
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/24/20/78/24207810314ee46f9c9f4c772d698f22.jpg)
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/15/has-anthony-miller-played-his-last-down-with-the-bears/
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Green Bay had 9th ranked defense. They did snag 3 interceptions against Brady in the NFC championship game.
Or do you think a rookie DC that was safety coach can't use any experienced help?
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Wow. He is well travelled isn't he? If he lives in Southern Wis., he won't even have to sell his home.
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Great we just hired the weak link of the GB team. Smooooooth Nagy.
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Pettine is hired as assistant DC
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/09/chicago-bears-mitchell-trubisky-matt-nagy-no-reunion-2021/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
Its looking like the Bears and Trubisky are done, not that that makes me unhappy. However, on the other side of the coin the FA QBs available dont look much better.
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Looks like they are planning to tag Robinson.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/08/did-the-bears-leave-a-clue-about-their-plans-for-allen-robinson/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
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Is someone playing with your mind?
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https://twitter.com/bearspr/status/1358888409763307523?s=21
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Pace is crazy if he gives up a #1 draft pick in any trade for Wentz.
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I’d be curious to know if the Bears are asking DeFilippo for his thoughts...Wentz’s best years as Eagles QB were when DeFilippo was his QB coach.
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The Colts have a legit playoff team - I'd think they'd be the ones with the urgency to get Wentz. Wentz had a horrible 2020 no doubt, but look at his numbers the few years prior to that. The negatives in the Bears getting him are both compensation and cap. But you can't expect to get a proven starter without paying up - that's what happens when you miss out on drafting a franchise QB.
Foles thereafter struggled, with Trubisky regaining the job after Foles suffered a hip/butt injury against the Vikings. Trubisky played well enough to keep Foles sitting on his hip/butt for the rest of the year.
In defense of Foles. He did beat the Falcons. Beat the Bucs. Beat the Panthers and took the Saints to OT where the defense let us down - not Foles.
His losses were primarily to playoff teams including the Rams and Titans. He was horrible against the Vikings. But a good portion of the blame for the Bears mid-season problems on offense was that Foles was QB before they switched up the O-line. Also Montgomery did not play against the Vikes and the Bears did not have the ability to scheme or block the Vikings aggressive blitzes.
Not advocating Foles as the future starter of the Bears but like Tom Brady, he needs a good offensive line to protect him when he drops back. I have no issues with him as a backup. And he would be a great choice for starting QB if the Bears want a high draft pick in 2022.
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Please not Wentz.
It makes sense that Pace would identify him tho...and outbid himself. He’ll draw a line from Nagy to the eagles’ system and that’s all it will take.
Please....no
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Also read a comment that it is Anthony Miller and not Cohen. If Pace does this he needs an escort to get to his house each night:
The Eagles could be going back to the future.
As rumors continue to make the rounds regarding a possible trade of quarterback Carson Wentz, long-time Eagles sideline reporter Howard Eskin dropped this nugget late Saturday night: Wentz to the Bears. For a first-round pick, running back Tarik Cohen, and . . . quarterback Nick Foles.
Yes, Nick Foles. The guy who won a Super Bowl in Philadelphia. The guy who nearly took them back to the NFC Championship the next year. The guy whom many believe should have been kept over Wentz after the 2018 season.
It would be Foles’ third stint with the Eagles, if it happens. Drafted in 2012 with a third-round pick, the Eagles traded Foles to the Rams for Sam Bradford in 2015. Then, the Eagles re-signed Foles in 2017. He has since signed with the Jaguars, who traded him after one year to the Bears.
Foles started the 2020 season as the backup to Mitch Trubisky. Acting on a gut feeling, coach Matt Nagy yanked Trubisky for Foles against the Falcons, and he promptly engineered a comeback win. Foles thereafter struggled, with Trubisky regaining the job after Foles suffered a hip/butt injury against the Vikings. Trubisky played well enough to keep Foles sitting on his hip/butt for the rest of the year.
Cohen took to Twitter in an effort to debunk his role in a potential trade: “Lemme clear this up real quick. Just got off the phone wit my HC and GM, Bears fans we locked in don’t worry. People say anything nowadays man.”
People do indeed say anything. Including coaches and General Managers. So we’ll see where this one goes from here.
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Hoge and Jahns on their last podcast said a third rounder for Wentz would be as high as they go. I also read that he is semi uncoachable, but not sure where that came from. I hope we dont blow any more draft picks on a qb to reunite Foles and Wentz.
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It doesn't matter. The Eagles are looking for their best deal - they don't care about Wentz' prior relationships.
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I did like how the fluff piece mentioned the Wentz/Reich relationship without even mentioning DeFilippo...
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I would never put money on Pace.
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Hahaha I take it your betting money is still on the Bears ;D
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That’s an opinion piece...nothing factual there...
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-eagles-close-trading-carson-003055398.html
It doesnt look like its the Bears.It looks like the Colts
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I have no problem with Wentz the player. I do have problems with what we'd have to send to Philly in compensation and even more so his effect on our salary cap.
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So Foles problems this year were his confidence was shot, at least that is what I read. So he comes here and has Nagys 5000 page play book, yeah he will pick that right up and succeed. Sorry but I say no way to Wentz.
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I don't think Wentz will be that bad.... but the Bears mortgaging the future with a lame-duck coaching staff destined to probably be fired at the end of next season is BAD.....
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Philly would...after they fleece the Bears of multiple 1sts and/or 2nds.
If I were Wentz, I would much prefer Indy. They have a solid line.
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no one is going to pick up Foles' contract, dream on.
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NO if Brees retires, Frisco, Dallas, Washington, Steelers have one more year with Rothlisburger, Denver, maybe Philly. could all be in play for quarterbacks.
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Yes they are lame ducks trying to save their jobs with a playoff run, but it appears the Colts will also be in the running for Wentz.
As for Foles, it's almost more painful to trade him than keep him. I have no problems with him being a backup. But as a starter teams come up with heavy blitz packages that he has shown in the past not able to handle. Of course a better O-line would make him more effective.
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I'd rather Pace wait the qb market out. I'd rather Pace be patient.
He won't. And he never is. Pacey and Nagy are lame ducks who do not give a flying f*ck about 2022. Pacey is bidding against himself again for a QB and Roseman and Ballard are laughing their asses off as another 1st round draft pick...or 2 disappear as a result of excellent collaboration.
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I think Foles goes if Wentz comes, so that would offset the salaries a bit. So maybe Foles and a 4th? Anything more and I'd walk away. Wentz was awful (on a completely destroyed by injuries offense) last year, but very good in 17 and 18, decent last year. The injuries and last year are concerning.
I'd rather Pace wait the qb market out. I think a better qb might shake out towards the draft. A fallback of Fitzpatrick and Foles with a 2nd or 3rd round pick doesn't really look too much worse to me then trading for Wentz.
I'd rather Pace be patient.
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I can see the Bears going 4-12.... then again, it seems for the last decade or so they do seem to do better when no one expects them to be any good. Guess that's why they play the games..... :D
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I can see the Bears re-signing Trubisky
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Won't that be they case for most of the QBs they could trade for: Watson, Carr, etc.
Leaves FA types and 3rd tier draftables.
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Bears can’t pay Wentz’s salary unless they gut the rest of the team.
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Some clear indications the Bears are trading for Carson Wentz. Pace may be going to double down on stupid (again) and give up draft picks for a QB. That's what you get in a "lame duck" year when you have to win or you are out. And the Bears hamstrung for the near future.... Way to go George McMediocre.....
Then again, suppose they get Wentz. He plays so-so but get hurt (and with no significant changes to the Oline is almost a guarantee) . In come Foles to lead them to a SB win..... This is probably what George/Pace/Nagy have going on in their fevered heads...
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In 2019 the Raiders went to a dink and dunk offense after Gruden lost confidence in Carr’s ability to throw downfield.
2020 they went back to their downfield offense and Carr had better success.
So although the statistics are similar the offense was quite different.
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His 2019 was just as good as 2020. 21 TD 8 interceptions 100.8 rating 70% completions
He will be 30...he's not much of a runner but he's durable missing only 2 games over 7 years
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Carr had a 101.7 passer rating and was PFF 8th ranked QB FWIW.
He did have a terrible 2019 but played in an offense with a lot of injuries this year.
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STOP Chasing other teams crap QBs! We already have our own crap QBs. Draft and develop. Quit giving away picks for **** and hope.
And what hope do you have trying to draft a QB without the #1 pick? Even fools gold to try at #20. Lets hear your plan. Tyler Bray? Come on man!
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His stats aren’t those of a crappy QB. What am i missing?
Nothing. Carr is a good starting qb. Gruden is said to want to upgrade to Watson and probably needs a third team to provide picks for the package. I'd send a 1 and a 2 in a heartbeat.
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His stats aren’t those of a crappy QB. What am i missing?
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crap and hope. Maybe that won't be censored.
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Yeah if Gruden cant get it out of Carr, no way Nagy is going to. Lets face it, we are not getting a qb that will be able to run Nagys system, and Nagy is too much of a shiithead to adapt his system to the qb he has. What is the common denominator here? Yep, Nagy.
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STOP Chasing other teams crap QBs! We already have our own crap QBs. Draft and develop. Quit giving away picks for shit and hope.
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He sucks from what I have seen. If Gruden can't good play out of him do you think Nagy can?
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Hearing the name Derek Carr thrown around lately....what's everyones thoughts on him?
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The problem is dumb asss Nagy and his system needs a "special" qb, like Mahomes or Rogers to make it work. We are not going to trade for one of those, and most likely not get one in the draft.
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Just have no faith that this "braintrust" will make the right decision. Love for them to prove me wrong though.....
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As in everything...it depends on the cost...
I haven't watched him enough to have an opinion on him one way or the other...
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I know, everyone in Chicago has a hard-on for Watson, but what do you think of trading for Gardner Minshew?
37 TDs and 11 interceptions last 2 years
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/31/chicago-bears-offered-first-round-pick-detroit-lions-matthew-stafford/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
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I wonder where the Bears would rank if every Nagy bubble screen that resulted in a loss was counted as a sack.
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IMO- Until the Bears decide to sit pat, and build this team from the ground up (make wise draft choices) they/we are fukked. Chasing every rainbow and trading away our draft picks has not worked. No matter how good a QB is, if he's running for his life he's no better than what we have (yes, that's a stretch).
No doubt the O-line needs an upgrade, but for the most part Bears QBs had decent pass protection, ranking in the middle (16th) in least amount of sacks given up. In addition to upgrading LT I'd like to see an improvement at RT too, especially in the run game.
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IMO- Until the Bears decide to sit pat, and build this team from the ground up (make wise draft choices) they/we are fukked. Chasing every rainbow and trading away our draft picks has not worked. No matter how good a QB is, if he's running for his life he's no better than what we have (yes, that's a stretch).
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And for some feel good stuff...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v8_lL4YHm8&feature=youtu.be
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Some fun stuff to watch- and a few Bears related nuggets inside too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHQaon63aF0
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Out at lunch listening to ESPN. They were saying this could be the beginning of NFL players orchestrating team roster moves like in the NBA - think Lebron.
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This isn't the NBA, I doubt the Texans trade Watson.
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Most of the NFL is sending trade offers
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This isnt going to fly you know but its at least out there:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/28/report-bears-have-called-texans-about-deshaun-watson-trade/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
Its as realistically possible for the Bears to swing a deal as Walmart has to be getting a bunch of lunar green cheese from the man in the moon
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That would be so Bear like and nihilistic to trade the farm for Watson and set the Bears rebuild (it will be with a new staff and GM) back 5 more years. Hell, Ditka did it for Ricky Williams back in NO :D
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Maybe Pace entices Watson to the Bears by offering to let him choose who replaces Nagy in 2022.
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I think it’s more about not wanting to come to a team in disarray than any dinner snub you may have read.
I don’t know if it’s a fact or speculation but every media entry I’ve seen says the Bears aren’t a team he would approve a trade to.
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I think it is funny that people think because he didn't get taken to dinner and interviewed before he was drafted he would refuse a trade to the Bears.
That is just so absurd. Refuse a trade to a QB starved top 3 media market because he wasn't asked out to dinner. He could become a legend on a legendary football team and get all kinds of endorsement deals on top of what he already has. This is a business folks. He is not going to decline a trade to the Bears because he didn't get invited to dinner.
He won't be in Chicago for a number of reasons but not that one.
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I think Watson will be a Jet next year.
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In Watsons contract he can approve or reject a trade.
The Bears aren’t on his approval list.
The Texans salary cap will take a hit if he leaves. They go from $18 mil over the cap to $21 mil over.
Maybe they trade him to draft Lawrence but I doubt there’s any other realistic trade.
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Yeah there's just no foreseeable way Watson comes here....just not gonna happen. Just not enough trade bait or cash.
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Yeah, I know. I think he goes to the Jets or Dolphins. I was just putting together what the bears best package looks like. We are never going to be a legit contender as long as a team with the high pick or qb with upside is on Watson's approved list.
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I don't know that the Texans would accept that. If they trade Watson they'd want a young up and coming QB preferably via a top 5 pick in this draft.
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Watson finally made a trade demand. On the outside chance he would accept a trade here, I was trying to figure out what a Watson to Chicago trade would look like. Our draft capital is so weak that we'd have to move some of our good young talent to make up for it.
My guess is:
Montgomery is piece #1. He's young, good and cheap. Texans can tout his production.
Texans then choose one of our three interesting rookies; Mooney, Johnson or Kmet.
Finally we add picks: our 1st and third this year and next year's first.
That's a package that can rival what the Jets and dolphins can offer. I think I'd do it, but that would be about as much as I would give up.
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Rodgers sounding unsure of his future
Well Danica doesnt want him.
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I thought I had a good post on PFT comments about Rodgers sounding unsure of his future in GB. They don't seem to want to post it so I'll torture you folks with it :D
Conan, what is best in life ?
Crush your enemies, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of their MVP QB.....
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Yeah Chris Jones outright punched a guy and no flag.
Very different standards.
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Watching this Bills Chiefs game, it’s clear to me that Miller’s ejection was total bullshit. These guys in this game have been pushing and smacking each other around much more aggressively than Miller’s half ass swipe at that little saints bitch...and no one has been ejected yet...
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Its all re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic, unfortunately.....
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I would like a more creative and aggressive DC who would disguise coverages, blitz to confuse OL take a few chances. Even Fangio was a little vanilla for me.
What’s there to lose?
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30760834/sources-chicago-bears-promote-safeties-coach-sean-desai-defensive-coordinator
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Desai gets the DC job. Sam Acho says his scheme will look more like fangios.
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Agree, I like samurai Mike. But he!l no to him coaching anything on the Bears..
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The only problem I have with Desai is he was the position coach of Eddie Jackson, who so underperformed this year. Just saying.
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What Bill said...love the guy, but please God no...
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Apparently Sam Acho agrees with me...
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/18/chicago-bears-sam-acho-touts-safeties-coach-sean-desai-as-defensive-coordinator/
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I would personally like to see Sean Desai get the job.
Rodgers would have been a good choice too, but it sounds like he is off to SD to work with Staley.
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NO THANK YOU! I love Mike but no thank you.
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A couple years ago Singletary was coaching a private high school football team in the Dallas area - he was 1-21 in his 2 seasons there.
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One of the best defensive players in the history of the Chicago Bears is a candidate to be their defensive coordinator.
Hall of Fame linebacker Mike Singletary was interviewed for the Bears’ defensive coordinator vacancy, according to TheAthletic.com.
The Bears need a new defensive coordinator after Chuck Pagano retired, but Singletary is a surprising name to see surface. The 62-year-old Singletary has never been an NFL defensive coordinator, and he hasn’t been on an NFL staff since he worked for the Rams in 2016.
He was head coach of the Memphis Express of the Alliance of American Football in 2019. He was head coach of the 49ers in 2009 and 2010 and had been a linebackers coach and assistant head coach before that.
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And where does the board brain trust believe Trask is going to land? I saw Wilson once. He didnt impress me bc he got beat
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If I knew that, I must have forgotten...if that's the case, then they are both dead weight...
We have enough picks and there is enough depth in this draft for us to come away with 2 pretty decent OLmen...
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Shelley and Skrine are both easily replaceable.
If we are going to wait that late to address RT, we may as well see what Arlington Hambright and Lachavious Simmons can do. Either option is probably meh.
Shelley and Skrine are but Callahan wasn't.
Hambright and Simmons were designated at guard position even though they may have played tackle in college.
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If anyone thinks that Nagy and Pace are gone next year even with a .500 record again you were not listening to the press conference. Nagy and Pace are their guys. They are in it for the long haul. Not just 3 or 4 years. They are giving them time to develop the team. They are young. They will grow. George McCaskey has to stick by his people. They have a plan for improvement. It might not come this year, next year or the year after but it will come.
That is what I heard anyway.
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Shelley and Skrine are both easily replaceable.
If we are going to wait that late to address RT, we may as well see what Arlington Hambright and Lachavious Simmons can do. Either option is probably meh.
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This is the year to move to 3... for zach wilson. Argh, watch him magically fall to the packers.
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And add a nickel back too. Not sure about Shelley yet. Got to replace Skrine. He's aggressive and a good tackler, but before his concussion he was getting exposed week after week.
Massie is gone. And Ifedi is again a FA as is Spriggs. Need to address RT. Not sure if Bars is the guy. Last year he filled in at center, guard and tackle. I don't recall any Bears in the past that could do that. Bars may get a shot but they'll be again looking at FAs and mid to late round draft picks to address RT.
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Three issues could improve this team a lot next season if they can get it figured out......improve the Oline and specifically LT....get a very good QB which is the hardest task as 30+ years of searching has shown.....and keeping ARob. Think doing those three things could get us to 10 wins....improve the pass rush and we could get more.
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Atlanta is likely taking Wilson at #4.
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Bengals are most assuredly not drafting a QB. The Dolphins aren't either, unless it's a guy Houston wants for Watson.
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A rookie QB is a total craap shoot. And Nagy and Pace need something sure fire to save their hides. I would move up and try and draft Wilson, but then that would just be two QBs that Nagy has ruined.
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Could Grappolo be available? How about a trade up to top 10 and draft a QB? May be cheaper than a Watson trade.
Is Garappolo available? Very likely and Pace loves him. But I am concerned about is that New England might just outbid us wanting Garappolo back. Would I do a trade up to 10? Yes provided who I valued was there. And
it could be cheaper than Watson both ways, salary and cap. There are going to be teams at #10 or there abouts who want a QB too and not willing to deal. Have you thought about that possibility? Or did you just throw
out the number as a talking point?
Bengals pick at 5 - maybe Wilson falls to 5.
Picks in the low teens might get youl a shot at Trey Lance.
Yeah, lots of teams need QBs but the Jets, Dolphins and Bengals may not be drafting a QB.
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I would be more concerned about the price. The player? I'd say yes.. The price? Not just yet.. Is he good enough to make the rest of the team better?
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I can understand not wanting to pay the price it would take to get Deshaun Watson here.
I cannot understand anyone thinking he's not a great NFL QB. The numbers are there.
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So what are the odds of a first round QB succeeding 1 in 4?
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Could Grappolo be available? How about a trade up to top 10 and draft a QB? May be cheaper than a Watson trade.
Is Garappolo available? Very likely and Pace loves him. But I am concerned about is that New England might just outbid us wanting Garappolo back. Would I do a trade up to 10? Yes provided who I valued was there. And
it could be cheaper than Watson both ways, salary and cap. There are going to be teams at #10 or there abouts who want a QB too and not willing to deal. Have you thought about that possibility? Or did you just throw
out the number as a talking point?
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I wouldn't trust this clown show of a regime to be able to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel :D
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Could Grappolo be available? How about a trade up to top 10 and draft a QB? May be cheaper than a Watson trade.
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No way Mitch is back. Between Mitch mentioning culture change needed and Pace and Nagy blaming everything on QB play, that ship has sailed.
Pace and Nagy have 1 year to show progress. Another year of blaming Mitch isn't it.
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I just dont see Darnold being able to run what Nagy wants. And Mitch and Nagy are like oil and water, one of the two wont be back next year. As far as 3rd string backup QB, are you kidding me, we already have the best in Tyler Bray!!!!
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I would keep weighing my options at QB, but I expend my energy on the rest of the team. Unless they plan on prying Aaron Rodgers away from Green Bay, I don't see QB making or breaking this team. I head into next season with Mitch and Foles. Bolster the run game/ fix the line. We need to do something about pass rush, the lack of. Work on those two areas for next season. No way they transform this whole team in one season. Of course our other big problem is Nagy...
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I agree with that. Darnold is a bust. Of course we need another bust dont we?
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What's sad is nowhere does this give the Bears the QB they sorely need. Expect more of the same mediocrity for years to come.
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You won't have to. It isn't happening.
I think the most likely scenario is that we deal with whoever doesn't get Watson.
i.e. - If Dolphins trade Tua in deal for Watson, we're dealing with Jets for Darnold.
I don't believe for one second Jets are keeping Darnold when they can get Fields at #2.
I also feel like Jets could use Foles as a bridge to Fields, so there is potential to include Foles in the deal.
Then we could draft a development QB like Mond, Book, etc in later rounds as a backup/#3.
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That idea is crazy. Can I veto it?
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We don't have the assets to trade for Watson ourselves. Any deal that netted us Watson would likely be a 3-team deal.
Houston: Wentz, Chicago 1st round pick 2021, Chicago 1st round pick 2022
Chicago: Watson
Philly: Chicago 3rd round pick 2021, Chicago 4th round pick 2022.
This is just a rough sketch of what something like that might look like. The point being that Houston has no use for Nick Foles.
If they're trading Watson they need a replacement with potential/pedigree coming back.
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Pace is probably going to sign Cam Newton and think he's done a good thing......
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Went back to look at boards with all this Watson trade talk.
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« Reply #192 on: January 01, 2017, 06:38:37 pm »
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Deshawn Watson looks like the real deal to me. He is a winner. He almost beat Alabama in last years title game. I believe he might beat them this year. Nick Saban says he is the most special player since Cam Newton in SEC. I think he will be 1 or 2 this draft but if somehow he is there at 3 and the Bears pass I think it will haunt us for a decade.
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LOL!!!!
So funny?
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LOL!!!!
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Trading with the Jets or Jags would get them Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields.
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Deshaun Watson has already proven in his four years that he has HOF level talent. The Texans are going to get a huge return if they choose to trade him. The bears have very little to offer. I think Pace is going to be looking at Fitzpatrick and Winston level players.
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How does trading Watson to Chicago get the Texans a starting QB next year?
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Foles was untradeable ... except to the laughingstock GM of the Bears.
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Well here is some more fuel for Sportster's firestorm:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/odds-bears-trading-deshaun-watson-191104632.html
It seems the fire is real for the Texans as well as Watson. The problem I have with any of this talk is the pricetag after we got him. His cap numbers make a deal very prohibitive. On the other side it didnt make Foles
untradeable. I sure doubt I would do a trade if it were me.
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LAKE FOREST, Ill., — The Chicago Bears appear to have begun the process of finding their next defensive coordinator with interviews this week. According to a report from Kevin Fishbain of The Athletic, the Bears have reached out to the Indianapolis Colts to request an interview with defensive backs coach Jonathan Gannon.
The request comes just a week after Chuck Pagano announced he was retiring from the NFL after spending the past two seasons as defensive coordinator for the Bears.
Gannon has 14 years of coaching experience, with 10 of those in the NFL. He got his start in 2007 with the Atlanta Falcons as a defensive assistant coach and quality control coach before moving on as a scout with the St. Louis Rams from 2009-11. In 2012 he joined the Tennessee Titans as a defensive assistant and then spent four seasons as assistant defensive backs coach for the Minnesota Vikings from 2014-17.
MORE >>>>> EARLY CANDIDATES FOR BEARS DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR JOB
Most recently, Gannon has been the defensive backs coach for the Indianapolis Colts, joining the franchise in 2018 under Frank Reich's staff. After finishing dead last in a lot of defensive categories in 2017, Gannon was a part of the staff that helped turn things around in 2018, becoming a Top 10 defense. With the help of Gannon, the Colts were sixth-best in terms of passing yards allowed this season, doing it with a young secondary and a veteran in Xavier Rhodes.
The Bears are also considering a few in-house candidates including Jay Rodgers and Sean Desai but with Brandon Staley reportedly interested in bringing Rodgers to Los Angeles as his defensive coordinator, it should urge Chicago to move fast in this process.
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Any news or rumor on the DC hire?
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So then the question would be, is it worth giving up a bunch of picks to get 'the guy'? To try to figure this out, lets look at the last fifteen years of Super Bowl winning QBs:
(current or future HOFers in bold...)
2019 KC with Mahomes
2019 NEP with Brady
2018 PE with Foles
2017 NEP with Brady
2016 DB with Manning
2015 NEP with Brady
2014 SS with Wilson (HOF or close?)
2013 BR with Flacco
2012 NYG with Manning (HOF or??)
2011 GBP with Rodgers
2010 NOS with Brees
2009 PS with Roethlisberger
2008 NYG with Manning
2007 IC with Manning
2006 PS with Roethlisberger
2005 NEP with Brady
2004 Brady again
This is pretty telling.....QB is the most important factor in getting a team to the Championship. It's not impossible, but it's not real common otherwise....
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The deal about a franchise QB is he makes the players around him look better. Even the defense.
So a team is not constantly over spending and over drafting to find players to help their QB. How many high draft choices or expensive FAs on the Packers offense?
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The thing about finding the franchise QB which gets overlooked, is it allows you to look at all other positions in the draft and FA. Once you have your guy, you can fill out the rest of your lineup.
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Keep hearing Deshaun Watsons name brought up as trade bait. I'm not sure he'd be the guy who could get the Bears to the championship. Heck, I'm not sure who's out there that could do that. We could win some games with him but the teams that keep getting there consistently are the ones with HOF type QB's onboard. Very hard to find....
And noticed that Clevelands second and third string LTs are better than our starting LT.....just shows how inept this team is at finding and utilizing talent....
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Josh Allen does this look off well (as does Mahomes). Its what a good coached, skilled QB can (and should do). Not that the Bears will ever see that from these coaches and QBs.....
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You are NOT going to win in this league with defense. You don’t trade two first round picks for 10 sacks a year. You need crisp offense, and for that you need quality OL and a franchise QB, which you never have, ever...because you’re the Bears. It’s getting harder to care as the years go on
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Two images stuck with me...
1) the long TD pass to Lazard...Foles maybe connects on that play, but there’s no way Mitch does. Chances are he would have already checked down. Rodgers threw that ball before Lazard made his last cut.
2) think it was a 3rd down pass to Tonyan, late in the 4th...Rodgers eyes were downfield when he threw the ball out in the flat to the TE. To be clear...he wasn’t even looking at his damn receiver. His eyes were somewhere else. I’m not sure what other QB can do that.
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One of the images that stuck with me from the Packers game was when Floyd got juked out of his jockstrap on the Rodgers TD run. Ah... the memories from when he was a bear....
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On top of all the other problems at talent this team needs to fix, it probably would not be a good idea to go switching defensive schemes as well (it took about 2-3 seasons for the 3-4 to take hold during the Fox era). But then again, knowing this coaching staff, they'll take some player out of position and force him into another.....
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I'm hoping the new defensive coordinator runs a 4-3. Mack and Quinn in coverage is a waste of money (Quinn seems like a waste regardless). Hicks, Nichols and Goldman are the start of a good DT rotation. Roquan would be a good fit as a 4-3 mlb, trevathon should probably be a SLB now anyway.
The main problem would be that the Bears would need to get another olb and replace a lot of the depth.
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The problem with the Oline is Nagy. He wants the blocking done HIS way, which isnt what works with the personnel. Like I said Harry Hiestand was a renowned Oline coach in college, turning out quality players, yet he failed miserably here. And Castillo has the reputation as an excellent Oline coach, yet they underperformed. What is the common denominator? Nagy!!!
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The Bears are unfortunately re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. George watches the whole ship of fools sink while the band plays on......
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The question is, with the state of the Oline being so bad, do they get rid of the Oline coach?? They have shown no improvement and are playing half hearted out there, making the same mistakes from day one of this season. But then, who do you bring in to improve this mess??
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Anyone who leaves on the O coaching staff is not going to be a bad thing. I think maybe Mustipher might be ok, if he really gets stronger this offseason. Daniels did over the past off season and was playing well before he got hurt. But no matter what we must get rid of Leno and Massie!!!!
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Ragone is leaving to be offensive coordinator in Atlanta. Rumor is that RB coach London is going with. WR coach furrey is rumored to be on his way out too.
I can definitely say I want furrey gone. Our WRs are so lazy on the field. I have yet to see any of them improve.
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Is there anyone on that offensive line that is good enough to keep?? Ya gotta wonder....burn it all down and start over....
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"We like the culture of the team !"- George McMediocre
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30718988/chicago-bears-de-mario-edwards-jr-suspended-first-2-games-2021-season
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Thought he was a bit harsh on Bars, but Mustipher really looked bad.
I'd draft a true center in a late round.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXn5nve3K60
Wow our oline play was horrible again.
I agree with Phil that mustipher and bars are not starter material. I think bars can be a decent back up, but mustipher doesn't look like he belongs physically.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXn5nve3K60
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Wonder if the new DC will run a 3-4?
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If you look at last week’s game as a microcosm of the season, the Bears were 7-3 with the Saints for 40 minutes.
With a better OL and even marginally better quarterback play that gap can be closed.
Picking up a veteran wide receiver to move the chains would help.
I would like a new DC who can turn around Eddie Jackson the way Fangio saved Fuller’s career.
I also still believe they have to run more blitzes and schemes to free up the double teaming of Mack and Hicks.
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I always say that next year's schedule based on last year's opponents performance isn't usually relevant. What really matters is whether the Bears are an improved team.
Having said that, and looking at next year's schedule...I thought....DAMN that's a F'ing touch a$$ schedule!
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Bears played the 13th toughest schedule last year and 3rd this year. 6 of their 8 road games will be against playoff teams.
I’m not going to try to analyze it after each season is played, just a comment as to where it stands now.
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Next year same cast with a tougher schedule.
How is it a tougher schedule? You never know. The Bears finished behind the Peckers last year yet the Bears played a tougher schedule than the Peckers this year. Schedules are determined already but you never know how tough one is until you play it.
For instance the Peckers ONLY played 4 games this year against teams with winning records. They were 2-2 in those 4 games.
The Bears played 7 games against teams with winning records. They were 1-6.
Would you have said at the end of last year the Bears would play a "tougher" schedule then the Peckers this year?
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It'll never happen, but I wouldn't mind seeing Shane Steichen brought in to work with whatever development QB we draft/sign.
His work with Herbert looks pretty good...
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Yay. Another season of dropsy, leave your feet and punching receivers. Yay. Another season of Nagy clueless play-calling and clock management. I mean really, what did we all expect anyway ? The meltdown should be EPIC next year. But more scary, the same clueless dolt (George) will be on the line again picking the next clown-car group of incompetents. Sheesh.....
Next year's "mission statement" should be "DON'T BE YOU" for God's sake.....
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I’ll bet they hire one of the current assistant coaches.
Next year same cast with a tougher schedule.
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So basically there's no hope again for next season....that's nice.... ::)
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Denver hired a new GM.
Might he want a different coach than Fangio?
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well, shit...
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Um George were you impressed with that SIX GAME LOSING STREAK??? I sure wasnt. And Pace went all in THIS year, see Jimmy Graham, Nick Foles and Robert Quinn. Can you imagine what that diick wad will do to try and go all in with Nagy next year? I shudder to think of it.
The Bears will not be making any changes at the top.
Bears General Manager Ryan Pace and head coach Matt Nagy will both be back for the 2021 season, Bears Chairman George McCaskey confirmed today. McCaskey said he was impressed with Pace and Nagy’s work during the 2020 season.
McCaskey also expressed faith in Bears President Ted Phillips. In turn, Phillips acknowledged that many Bears fans want to see major changes within the franchise, but everyone in the organization’s front office is committed to making it work with the current power structure.
The Bears did reveal that neither Nagy nor Pace has received a contract extension. So there’s no doubt that both of their jobs are on the line this year.
The Bears are standing by Pace and Nagy because they’ve made the playoffs two of the last three years, but the Bears still haven’t won a playoff game since the 2010 season, and they head into this offseason with several major questions, the biggest of which is who their starting quarterback will be in 2021.
Those questions need to be answered, but today Bears fans found out only that the team is staying the course.
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Pace and Nagy will go all in this year and do short-sighted things to try to save their jobs, in the process further augering the Bears into a deeper hole for the next GM/HC combo in 2022 to dig them out of. Surprised Papa Bear doesn’t come back from the dead and attack McMediocre yelling “Brains ! Brains ! My grandchildren have no BRAAAINS !”
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Soooooo........ I'm looking at Foles at qb, Pace and Nagy back again. wasn't that group, giving out 0 and fives ? Pass
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I hear the word "accountable" came up a few times during the conference. They kept using that word, but I don't think they know what it means.......
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Listening to nagy and pace, it sounds like they are planning on foles being the starter to open the season.
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Does anyone believe the current brain trust would choose the right GM much less HC ? Looing at the bright side of this, maybe another year of this mess will be enough and the front office enema can begin. Then again, that is the Bears way (at least since I've been watching back in the 70s)- once a generation good team then dreck in between. Should be fixed by maybe 2030 or so......
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Reporting that, as expected, George McMediocre is keeping Pace and Nagy. Let's see, they fired Lovie Smith after a 10-6 season (and no watered down playoffs to get into) but retain this clown car of stiffs ? When they were handing out brains, George obviously was out taking a wizz......
You forget that it took them 9 years to fire Lovie. Think about that...
Lovie's coaching record since then... 25-63
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Reporting that, as expected, George McMediocre is keeping Pace and Nagy. Let's see, they fired Lovie Smith after a 10-6 season (and no watered down playoffs to get into) but retain this clown car of stiffs ? When they were handing out brains, George obviously was out taking a wizz......
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Give Rex Ryan a call...that would be entertaining!
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With only 32 jobs of that type available and the prestige associated with such a job, finding someone would not be hard at all. Finding a COMPETENT someone is another story. Do you really trust the Bears "brain trust" to make the right call, afterall ?
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I think with the talent to work with and the possibility of becoming the HC after one year is all goes will might be attractive to some.
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How much to you want to bet they offered Pagano the "opportunity" to retire instead of being fired? Either way he is gone. But the problem still remains Pace and Nagy are still here. And what D Coordinator worth his salt would want to come here knowing Pace and Nagy have 1 year left at best? Total cluster.
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What did they say last night - how many 1st rounders from Alabama? 5 or 6
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Alabama is better than the Bears. Heck, they're better than quite a few NFL teams. They have a very good QB, crazy good RB, top wideouts and a Oline that is lightyears better than the Bears. In fact, their LT hasn't given up a sack in forever. He'll go in the top 10....
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At least Pagano is gone. Now, will anyone decent want to come to Chicago knowing Nagy isn't secure?
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Pace and Nagy will be back....
Dan Weiderer
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Pagano announced his retirement. One gone.
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Quiet like a tomb.... :D
Not a good sign. Maybe they are hoping the peasants with the torches and pitchforks outside Halas Hall will just assume no on is there and go home.....
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Awfully quiet at Hallas Hall.
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Nagy's whole approach to offense is to have one set with multiple plays that can be called off of it that all look alike.
As part of this approach he wants the O-line blocking to look the same on a running play as a passing play. I believe that is where our problems come from on run blocking.
The few times last year when they lined up in the "I" the O could suddenly run block.
I don't remember them running out of the "I" at all this year. The point I am trying to make is we do not have the talent level on the O-line or the passing threat to run that scheme.
A coach should be able to adjust for that. Nagy simply refuses to do so.
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On Bears Hour Live, Draft Dr Phil was commenting on Furrey the WR coach. Apparently the WRs all goof off all the time and dont take anything seriously. That is a reflection of the head coach, Mr Be You. How undisciplined was Millers punch, when Nagy said they went over that exact thing on Wed? They even showed video, yet Miller took the bait and threw a punch. They also said that Harry Heistand wanted to block a different way than Nagy wanted, and that is why he got fired. Again Heistand created some top notch OL in college, so he probably knows a thing or two, but the smartest coach in the room knows better. Nagy needs to go, and Pace before him!!!
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Watching Alabama last night on offense was just another stark realization of how bad this Bears staff is. You see Oline play where everyone knows what the fuck they are doing. You see WR running through routs, not leaving their goddamn feet every time to catch a ball. You see a QB doing the small things that help his team to win (head fakes, read progression, ,decisiveness) instead of looking lost and afraid, and you see a game plan that utilizes their best players in concepts that utilize their talents to the maximum instead of trying to be "cute".
It was just so clear how bad the Bears are at the moment, coaching staff wise........
George McMediocre, our eyes turn to you......
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Doug Peterson has been fired by the Eagles.
I don’t know what happened to them this year but he was sure a good coach before.
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This guy speaks the real truth. It's all hot garbage.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/sports/nbcsports/after-bears-loss-to-saints-kaplan-rips-garbage-operation-top-to-freaking-bottom/2413031/
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How can anyone have any faith in this front office the way the Bears have been playing ? Some can point to record (hey, Nagy has a winning record) and some talent (hey, look, Pace got Mooney in the fifth round) but does this team really pass the eye-test ? I mean you can polish a turd, but its still a turd after all.....
George McMediocre, Bears eyes turn to you........
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Yeah they’ve invested a lot but their super bowl year they had a bunch of 4th and 5th rounders on the OL.
One Ryan Pace was director of scouting.
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The Saints offensive line has 3 number 1s, 2 number 2s and a 3rd rounder.
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Until O line is fixed, no sense in doing much of anything with QB. Should be able to resign Trubisky fairly cheap. If Mitch wants too much, he can take a hike.
If I didn't know better, I'd say the Bears don't care about winning..
Funny thing, Belichick doesn't look quite like the genius everyone thought without Brady running the offense.. Of course, I don't need to say anymore than Cam Newton. I'm sure he'll be available.. No Thanks!
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They have neglected the OL for years. Ifedi was really the only thing they tried, a first rounder but a bust. Nobody proven, no draft picks of consequence. That is criminal, besides the Quinn/Graham/Foles contracts Pace handed out. Really dont want to see him do another draft, and mortgage the future, especially one he wont be around to see.
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Start with Oline/Dline. Build from that.
Its still a pisser that they signed that stiff Robert Quinn (send him a mask for his theft of all that cash) when they really needed Oline help. Instead, in typical Ryan "Stop Hitting Yourself" Pace fashion, he got a mismatched over-priced piece to replace something that was not that bad (Floyd) and neglected the 2nd most important part of the offense- the line. That noise from Halas Hall is sound of them sucking so bad or Papa Halas spinning around in his grave......
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If you let Trubisky walk, Foles your starter. Can he make it thru season? Highly unlikely. Need someone young to give playing time too.
I think its time to blow it up and rebuild. alla Miami
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Went to look at our salary cap and implications of moves for next year.
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/chicago-bears/
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/chicago-bears/
I let these FA's walk; Trubisky, ODonnell, Burns, Holtz, Pinerio, Nall, Coward, McManus. I would try to resign the rest if possible.
Based on these numbers, I release Jimmy Graham pre 6/1 to save 7 million.
I would trade Anthony Miller pre 6/1 for a draft pick (I would take 4th-7th rounder for him), save 1.2m. Mostly because I think Miller is a bit of a cancer.
I draft LT and release Leno post 6/1 to save 9m. I also release Bobby Massie post 6/1 and save another 8m. I also release Wims post 6/1 and save 920k.
I would use the freed up money to franchise tag Robinson while trying to work out long term deal. One year franchise tag would cost around 18m dollars, which is what you save by releasing Leno/Massie/Wims.
I would draft #1 LT, #2 DT, #3 QB, #5 CB, #6 WR, #6 LB, #7 Punter; Assume another #6th for Miller would get a TE.
BTW the Graham, Trevahan and Quinn signings are looking really desperate on Ryan Pace's part now. I think he was trying to swing for fence this year and save his job. Those deals really **** us next year.
3rd round QB? Why bother?
Bears getting Goldman back so maybe get a corner before a DT. Fuller will need to be upgraded and we need a legit nickel back - Skrine and Shelly aren't it.
I saw that Cornelius Lucas, last year's rental that backed up Massie, is on the Redskins. PFF had him rated the 12th best LT in the NFL out of 38. Kevin Pierre-Louis, also a FA signing of the Redskins was also a top ranked linebacker. And we know about Leonard Floyd.
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Also the cap could go down by a ton next year. However I am hearing they make an exception for the Covid year.
I doubt it goes up like it usually does though.
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Man, wish we had this Heinicke on Washington.
In addition to slinging it he’s quite the scrambler.
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Went to look at our salary cap and implications of moves for next year.
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/chicago-bears/
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/chicago-bears/
I let these FA's walk; Trubisky, ODonnell, Burns, Holtz, Pinerio, Nall, Coward, McManus. I would try to resign the rest if possible.
Based on these numbers, I release Jimmy Graham pre 6/1 to save 7 million.
I would trade Anthony Miller pre 6/1 for a draft pick (I would take 4th-7th rounder for him), save 1.2m. Mostly because I think Miller is a bit of a cancer.
I draft LT and release Leno post 6/1 to save 9m. I also release Bobby Massie post 6/1 and save another 8m. I also release Wims post 6/1 and save 920k.
I would use the freed up money to franchise tag Robinson while trying to work out long term deal. One year franchise tag would cost around 18m dollars, which is what you save by releasing Leno/Massie/Wims.
I would draft #1 LT, #2 DT, #3 QB, #5 CB, #6 WR, #6 LB, #7 Punter; Assume another #6th for Miller would get a TE.
BTW the Graham, Trevahan and Quinn signings are looking really desperate on Ryan Pace's part now. I think he was trying to swing for fence this year and save his job. Those deals really fucking us next year.
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For the love of God at least....
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Amen
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The other thing is the defense. Fire Pagano!!
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The biggest reason this team will not progress past this weekend is the Oline. Repeatedly they get beat and they fail to block properly. If they get running yards, it's much more often due to the twisting and juking of Monty making something out of nothing. You RARELY see this line EVER open large enough holes for a back to get through. It's always Monty squeezing through a tiny opening and twisting around to get what he can. They also rarely get to the second level, allowing the backers to just roam around and stuff plays. This has to be a huge priority next season if they ever want to get out of this mediocre middle of the road they're in. It really makes you wonder DO they sit down and actually go through the plays like this tape never lies guy does and see the breakdowns, because if they do..... and personally I'm not sure how they can and each week keep making the same stupid mistakes and missed assignments....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuq3ja6iZMs
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I read that Champ Kelly is being interviewed for the GM job in Denver and Carolina. If he were to leave, a new clause in the Rooney rule would net the bears 3rd round comp picks in the next two drafts.
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VJ, I've noticed when you post a link you change it to the subject instead of the link (Mike Borgonzi). How do you do that??
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From the Trib (Biggs)
What should not be overlooked is the possibility the Bears could enter the hiring cycle late and still consider a candidate they like quite a bit, especially if that candidate is employed by another playoff team. That’s where the Bears might be able to identify candidates worth a look if they do choose to make a move. Again, I have no idea which direction this is headed, and if the Bears head down to New Orleans and stun a team that was forced to play roster bingo last week because of positive COVID-19 tests and contact tracing, then you would figure everyone is safe for at least another season. Rumors have circulated in the last week that the Bears could target Kansas City Chiefs director of football operations Mike Borgonzi (https://texansunfiltered.com/articles/houston-texans-potential-gm-candidates-2-mike-borgonzi) (couldn't find much, this link is from a Texans GM search article). This is speculation, but I heard this from two unrelated sources in the last few days, and with the Chiefs earning the No. 1 seed in the AFC playoffs, Borgonzi wouldn’t be available to be hired away until the season is complete for the defending Super Bowl champions. Does that mean it’s Borgonzi or no one else? Absolutely not. But that’s a name that was churning in the rumor mill the past few days, and a quick hiring cycle this week by teams already looking for new a GM would not remove him from play. Obviously, there are many other people in consideration for GM jobs who are attached to playoff teams, but Borgonzi is the name I heard, and if the Bears would consider hiring a new GM to work with their current coach, he’s someone who could come in and have a preestablished relationship with Nagy.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3CnK3WRVIU
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"So you saying..... there's a chance ?" .... Lloyd Christmas, Dumb and Dumber
The Backtiari injury makes things more interesting, at least. But damn, during a walk through supposedly. And he signed that huge extension not long ago.......
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Fangio is not a HC. He's a excellent DC. He should understand his strengths and weaknesses and stick with his strengths....
And personally I don't like Nagy and his milktoast coaching style. He needs to go....
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Thats interesting. How would you feel about a Fangio return to Chicago as HC and Nagy canned?
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the right tackle for the Pack is not practicing as of Wednesday.
...and Bakhtiari tore his ACL
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I bet if the Broncos don't start out hot next season look for Fangio to be on the hot seat, quick. Elway is not patient..
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You can have the best group of players in the NFL and still suck as a team. Coaches have to game plan and scheme using the strengths of his players. I have no confidence in Pagano whatsoever. Let alone they're going up against one of the best QB's in the league. Same players as when Fangio was here.
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I think the lack of a consistent pass rush has hurt our DBs in getting PDs and picks. I'm not talking sacks, just pressure on the QB. It's just not there.
I have no explanation for Quinn and Mack. Maybe we expect too much from Mack, but he's not getting double/triple teamed as much as everyone says. Yeah, it happens a few times a game, but by and large he's either pushing his way to the QB, which takes a long time, or looping around the QB, usually without affecting the QB's release.
Mack is not on the injury report for this first time in months and the right tackle for the Pack is not practicing as of Wednesday.
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Fuller is really bringing the wood this year. I think he has been playing lights out and is the true leader of the defense with actions on the field.
Travathen is old, we should have never resigned him. Kwik and Pierre-Luis both have played better this year when healthy.
Eddie J. has played like hot garbage. He looks like a guy not really interested, just trying not to get hurt.
Mack is getting double and triple teamed, plus I do believe he has injury. Hicks has been injured. Rob was a bust of a FA.
Jaylon J was a pleasant suprise this year. He was very solid.
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Eddie Jackson is missing tackles AND not getting his hands on the ball. Seems like he got paid and isnt really producing like he did before. Fuller you can say isnt getting much because they are going to the other side. As for Trevethan, if I am Rogers, I pick the guy he is covering every single play, as he has lost a step or three, and gets torched repeatedly. And if Hicks does any loafing this game, it will be a blow out.
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What is really crazy about the offense’s recent improvement is they are doing the things we have been asking for basically since Fox left!
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I would be thrilled if Mack, Quinn, Hicks, Jackson and Fuller had baller games. What is more likely to happen is all of them will loaf and take it easy, Pagano will be soft, and Rogers is going to carve us alive. Who thinks that Trubisky can keep up and stay even with Rogers? And how many take aways have we had lately? Thats right and Rogers doesnt throw many INTs, so if we get in a shoot out we lose easily. And you know you can count on Mitch to make at least 1 WTF throw, and at the worst moment, if not more. As painful as a loss will be, if it gets rid of Pace and Nagy, I would be ok with that.
Defensively, I'd say Mack, Hicks, Jackson and Fuller have played OK, but certainly could have done better. Could be injury related for Mack. Age and injury issues with Hicks. Fuller it's hard to say. It's not like he's getting torched often. But he could do better than 1 pick. Hard to judge Jackson. He may be playing OK, but he's just not getting his hands on a lot of balls. Gibson is meeting expectations. Jaylon Johnson has exceeded. So has Bilal Nichols and Roquan Smith. Trevathan early on did not meet expectations but he's improved his game the last month or so.
Regardless of past performances, Bears will need A games from most of these guys to keep the game in reach.
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This game will go as a laugher (not in the Bears favor) or end like Nagy's 1st game vs Greenbay. The planets are lined up in just that way, unfortunately...... :(
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I would be thrilled if Mack, Quinn, Hicks, Jackson and Fuller had baller games. What is more likely to happen is all of them will loaf and take it easy, Pagano will be soft, and Rogers is going to carve us alive. Who thinks that Trubisky can keep up and stay even with Rogers? And how many take aways have we had lately? Thats right and Rogers doesnt throw many INTs, so if we get in a shoot out we lose easily. And you know you can count on Mitch to make at least 1 WTF throw, and at the worst moment, if not more. As painful as a loss will be, if it gets rid of Pace and Nagy, I would be ok with that.
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The Bears really should throw the kitchen sink (https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2020/12/30/chuck-pagano-better-blitz-the-heck-outta-aaron-rodgers-on-sunday/) and play fast and loose like they have nothing to lose...because they really don't IMHO. I hate hate HATE playing not to lose, playing soft or keeping it close. And if Mack ever wants to put on that 2018 Game 1 holy sh!t cape on, be my guest. Entertain and surprise me Chicago Bears.
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Don't expect any help from the Rams.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/30/cooper-kupp-tested-positive-for-covid-19-will-not-play-sunday/
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/30/kyler-murray-practiced-on-wednesday/
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With the Bears I usually just set my expectations low, so I don't get disappointed.
On offense, Packers are loaded at just about every position. On defense, the Packers are loaded at just about every position.
But you still got to play the game, because as they say any given Sunday...
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This is the year of the opposite. Expect a big win!
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The Bears are going to honor Gayle Sayers sunday....
Knowing the Bears history with such things (with one exception where a blocked FG saved the Bears, but that was the oddity) and the way it usually goes, the loss this shit Sundae will be topped off with that- a reminder days past when other than a few players, the Bears were not any good (kind of a back to the future moment, no ?) :D
"Usually when you dedicate a game to another player you win it" - Brians Song
Man, the planets sure are lining up for a legendary game, to be remembered more than the last time the Bears played the Packers in the NFC Championship game....
"I've got a BAD feeling about this......" - Star Wars New Hope
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I see the Bears are 5.5 point dogs..
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If the Cards have a chance, then we're fukked..
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I agree. The Packers own Nagy.
The Rams will not have their QB (surgery for his broken thumb on throwing hand) and haven't been playing very well with him.
I have heard Cardinals QB has hamstring issues but my guess is he plays.
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And, no home field. Rodgers loves playing in Chicago..
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I dunno,, The Rams aren't going to just let zona win.. Bad thing is, you know the Bears (players) are preparing for this game know they're about to get an a$s kicking..
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That would be a terrible end to a terrible year. Thanks B4 for the future kick in the teeth. I agree with ya though....they'll lose, Cards will win and Nagy and crap will be back....
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Bears are going to lose the game, Cardinals will win theirs, Bears lose out getting to playoffs but now for the real bad news: Nagy and Co will be back for another year. Joy to the World ! George
McCaskey McMediocre will strike again !
Seriously, unless this team reverses some bad trends (which to their credit they have mostly for the last few weeks) this franchise seriously fucked for years to come....
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There were 8 TE's drafted before Kittle.
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Olsen didn't fit Martz's scheme of a blocking TE, 3/4 short speedy WR sets, and 7 step drops behind a tissue line.
Thank goodness the Bears don't have an offensive guru determined to force feed a playbook on a roster incapable of executing it...
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Considering that it's been 55 years since Ditka played for the Bears and you've mentioned 6 good years (between them) that we had a productive position at TE. Olsen went down too easy and Bennett was a cry baby. Agree that the Bears fukked up by letting Olsen go, I think we can thank Angelo for that... I'd say that TE is a position that hasn't been all that good for the Bears..
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Who did we get in the draft he came out in ? Shaheen maybe ? If Kmet does not work they've got to figure out how to remove the Ditka TE curse the Bears suffer from (apart from the QB curse, that is).....
What TE curse? Greg Olsen had some good years with the Bears until they didn't want to pay him. And Martellus Bennett was a stud at TE for a few years too.
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I could see the Bears lose, and the Cards also lose, and since we "make" the playoffs, everyone gets one more year. Pace and Nagy need to go.
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Will anyone be surprised that Nagy will return next season? Not me.. I've been watching the Bears for decades, same song different dance. The article mentions one game away from the playoffs. Um, that's one tough fukking game. Like it or not, Green Bay is one of the best teams in the league. Tall order..
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Weep
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/28/chicago-bears-head-coach-matt-nagy-future-2021-mitch-trubisky/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline&ats=2ea40eed43933273faeccdc9b0fba543451bcacdda6eb0f39e86c517461b1e2c
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Yes. Shaheen. Had we had the perfect draft that year we could have had Mahomes, Kittle and Kamara. Revisionist history and a lot of teams could have had that combo but could you imagine?
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Who did we get in the draft he came out in ? Shaheen maybe ? If Kmet does not work they've got to figure out how to remove the Ditka TE curse the Bears suffer from (apart from the QB curse, that is).....
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We'd love to have him too.
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"DA BEARS. I fucking love the Bears..."
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VERY RARE you see a player talking about another team other than his own. When does this MF'er become a FA? LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQODEM3ACu0
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Pagano will be coaching for his job next week, imo. Talk about a grueling interview ahead, Rodgers and the GB offense. We're going to have to play inspired football on the defensive side to have a chance. I would be watching a lot of tape of that Bucs Packers game and see how they bottled him up. We won't shut them down, but we need to slow them down enough to outscore them. A month ago, I would have never thought that was possible, but this offense is putting points on the board.
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Looks like the Packers will have the #1 seed on the line next week.
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Injuries in the secondary and no pass rush.
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Few thoughts:
1. A basic requirement of coaching is the ability to evaluate the players, the talent on the team. There was an obvious misevaluation of the talent of the offensive line. Whitehair is better as a guard than center, Ifedi better as a tackle than guard. Cowart was the worst OL I've ever seen. He has no balance, the most important requirement to play OL. Leno is a joke, Massie stinks when healthy. Finally turning to Bars & Mustipher really stabilized the offense. They really need to draft a LT.
Tom Thayer today was talking about the bad blocking schemes the Bears use on running plays. The schemes ask OLmen to do things very few OLmen can do. The TAPE NEVER LIES guy has complained of this for a long time.
Looks like Mooney has passed Miller as the#2 WR.
Giving up a 4th round pick (in addition to picking up his bloated contract) for Foles was a terrible decision by Pace. Never been a fan of Trubisky, but he looks like Joe Montana compared to Foles. The Foles & Quinn contracts may mean no contract for Robinson.
Bears need to find a TRUE FB, Holtz has been really bad this year after playing well last year.
2. I thought the defense looked terrible in the 1st half. I know Johnson and Skrene are injured, but what has happened to the defense? Hicks was a zero today. Hurt or just past it. Quinn covering the TE? No pressure & soft coverage made Mike Glennon look like a competent NFL QB. The DL is no longer a team strength. John Jenkins had more tackles (3) than anyone on the DL.
Vildor passes my eye test, the TD pass to Chark wasn't his fault. Duke Shelly is lucky to be in the NFL. Eddie Jackson looks unmotivated. Doesn't deserve the huge contract he got.
I don't know why the defense has been in free fall recently.
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Jaguars will attempt to maintain the #1 pick and the Bears will do their damndest to be sure they don't get it...... :D
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NFL network whining about Mitch Trubisky and the Bears..the Bears? now have a chance to knock the Arizona Cardinals and the playoffs....what no Kyler Murray.
What a tragedy that would be.
Murray is the new overrated media hyped qb.
Compare 2nd year Mitch stats to Kyler's second year this year.
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NFL network whining about Mitch Trubisky and the Bears..the Bears? now have a chance to knock the Arizona Cardinals and the playoffs....what no Kyler Murray.
What a tragedy that would be.
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Now watch the Bears lose to the Glennon led Jaguars one win team.
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Bears play at noon next week. The Cardinals play the afternoon game.
So win two games and they are in.
Or win one of the two and hope the Cardinals lose against the Rams.
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Fuck Robbie Gould!!!
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Cardinals about to lose. They play the Rams next week.
If Bears win tomorrow, they will be 7th seed in playoffs. If Cardinals lose next week, Bears could still lose to Packers and make playoffs.
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Sportster
I tend to agree. Even if they don't make the playoffs if they can beat the Jags and the Pack and finish off with a 4 game winning streak I think everybody comes back. Not sure about Pagano though.
Bears just need to focus on the Jags and their new starting QB....MIke Glennon.
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Nagy should have to win out to keep his job, same with Pace. They lose, bye bye.
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Bears have to win the next two and the Cardinals have to drop one of their next two. They play the Niners and Rams.
If that happens they are in. I don't see them beating the Packers the way the defense is playing unless Rodgers sits. The Packers could have everything wrapped up. So who knows.
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Playoffs ?? We talking about playoffs ?? I just hope we can win a damn game !
One of the best rants ever (along with Denny Green's classic "There are who we thought they were" :D
That'll live on for many years to come..
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Playoffs ?? We talking about playoffs ?? I just hope we can win a damn game !
One of the best rants ever (along with Denny Green's classic "There are who we thought they were" :D
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I'd say chances of the Bears making the playoffs are about zip. Don't they need help, besides winning the last two? Of course, do the Pack sit Rogers rather than risk an injury? I can't see the Bears losing to the Jags. Jags have their eye on the number one pick.. So, knowing our luck.. The Bears probably make the playoffs..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=837kS6sRKns
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On a Zoom call with family from Illinois. I wore my Bears Santa hat cuz I knew my Packers fan cousin was on the call.
He asked about the Bears and their chances of making the playoffs. I said if they get in everybody could come back - if they don't they could fire everybody.
He then said he hopes the Bears make the playoffs. Wow. Pity.
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Merry Christmas, you filthy animals!! Gp Bears!
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Merry Christmas!!!
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The Packers will win the division in 2021 too.
Happy christmas
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Merry Christmas!
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Reflecting on the year just past and hoping for a better one to come.
Merry Christmas everyone....
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I wouldn't be a bit surprised if everyone keeps their job with the exception of a couple position coaches. Go another year and then fire everyone and once again, start over.. This part of my life has been less stressful.. Fukk the kneeling ba$tards..
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It feels like its all a moot point as long as the current regime is in place.
It would be so McCaskey-like to play it safe. Retire/Fire Teddy, promote some non-entity to replace him as "president", keep the current regime for another year of failure then clean house.
The Bears are already a cash-grab for all the coaches brought in to fix the mess and are a sunk cost with their contracts. That there are so many on this coaching "staph" stealing paychecks is yet another reason (as if its needed) Nawji needs to be punted into the lake along with Pace.
Hate to be so doom and gloom, but this team has not been fun to watch as of late. I just don't see it getting any better anytime soon.........
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One of the biggest problems is they did not address the very serious problems on the Oline, so every play they run has a good chance of getting stuffed or stopped due to the inability of the line to block properly. Lord help Montgomery behind this line ::). How the guy gets anything is amazing in itself. Whoever comes in here to deal with this mess must start there first...or at the very least near the top of the list....build those trenches!
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I agree with the sentiment in the videos.
In Nagy's defense that **** worked a lot in the beginning. I have seen him adapt and go to a fullback and RB then run it down the defense throat play after play and score a TD. Last year not this year. Then he would immediately go away from it.
The system does work. But it takes a great play caller with the ability to adapt and intelligent players with the ability to adapt with it. We don't have that.
Nagy and Pace are going to get fired. Both will have jobs in the NFL if not next year then the year after. Both will likely need to take a step back before they get the top job again.
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this guy's analysis is spot on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhvWhZAS11M&t=271s
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great vid - Nagy's gonna Nagy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzP-qZ8PxBQ
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Leno...how the H does this guy still have a JOB!?!? Do they not ever review the fricking game film and see this clown??? And if they do and don't replace him, shame on them for being idiots. Let me be clear here....ANYONE is a upgrade over that bozo! Put in a guy off the fricking street!!!! He can at least get in the way of someone. Sick and tired of seeing every-single-week this guy blow it repeatedly. How he gets paid is beyond me. He is not even college level good! The absolute most pathetic guy on this team....
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He had that hold on 2nd and 1 in the 4Q that forced a punt. Also gave up a sack in the 4Q too that also led to a punt.
Coward is the worst offensive lineman on the team but Nagy had the chance to insert Spriggs at LT when Leno had the bad toe. Maybe he still does.
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Leno is just awful. I’d almost rather see Coward.
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I don’t think it matters to the Bears whether or not Nagy develops into a good coach in the future. That’s irrelevant.
I’m still pretty sure he’ll be fired.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpLaX4Ru9Zk
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Those "lot of executives around the league" have no vested interest in having the Bears get better. Such a stupid statement. Indeed, its kind of like a lot of non-Lions fans wanting Patricia to stay HC forever......
Those "lot of executives around the league" can have him, lock, stock, and barrel.....
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I highly disagree with Nagy developing into a good coach. Highly!
This team has lacked fundamental football skills. Tackling, blocking, playing till the whistle. Football 101 stuff.
Then you get into game planning, play calling and half time adjustments (or in Nagy's case no adjustment).
Strke out, zeroes, nada, zip, zilch....I made my point.
Its very, very clear Fangio carried the coaching staff the first year with the defensive scheme, effort, etc.
Honestly I was giving Pace and Nagy every chance but the amount of evidence to their incompetence is just too overwhelming to ignore.
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What kind of job could Nagy get if he left the Bears? He wasn't the main play caller at KC and now not with the Bears.
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Apparently a lot of executives around the league still feel Nagy will develop into a good coach.
The only chance Nagy has to become a good coach is if he starts doing the opposite, Costanza-style.
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From Fishbain at the athletic;
On 12 occasions this season (excluding the final two minutes of either half), the Bears have called a timeout on offense. Only twice has the ensuing play been successful.
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So Hub said Ted Phillips has not been involved in the football side since Pace was hired, it's all up to George.
Hub is the only media person I know of who actually ever talks to Bears leadership. He said with Covid he has no access to them so doesn't have a feel for what they'll do.
AS far as the "consultant's" go he said the league provides a lit of what they feel are qualified consultants the owners can hire to help find their next GM. That's what the Bears did to hire Earnie Acorsi to recommend Pace.
Apparently a lot of executives around the league still feel Nagy will develop into a good coach. Hub said possibly they'll fire Pace and let the new GM decide on Nagy.
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Today at 4pm CT the SCORE is going to interview Hub Arkush and it sounds like they're going to talk about who does what in the Bears power structure.
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I think they consult execs at other teams to get their input. For instance the Bears might consult KC about things because they are successful and have a Nagy connection. Pace likely still talks to folks at NO even though they play each other. The McKaskeys like have connections all over the league to get feedback and ideas for candidates. It should be pretty obvious to look for coaches from other successful programs and top scouts who have consistently selected top guys out of the college ranks. My first interview question to a potential GM would be “what are the key elements to building a great team” If building the trenches isn’t one of the top answers, then move on.
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No they consult with the team presidents who run football operations.
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Obviously you’re not going to call the packers and Vikings for recommendation.
The are 16 AFC teams to call. That’s how other owners do it.
I must be missing something. Are you saying owners of teams are calling other owners for advice on how to run their operation?
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"Other team presidents" are your competitors and have incentive to provide a mix of competent and incompetent personnel in their recommendations.
You have to be smart and savvy enough to make the right choice. Is there any reason to believe that NumbNuts can manage that?
Obviously you’re not going to call the packers and Vikings for recommendation.
The are 16 AFC teams to call. That’s how other owners do it.
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Some are more involved than others (not always a good thing- see Dallas).....
I'm concerned curious George will ask for recommendations and the other billionaire on the line will sell him a bill of goods (e.g. That O'Brien guy who was with the Texans ? I hear he's available) or try to pawn off some person in his organization he wants to "promote out the door". And George will say Okee dokee.....
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No NFL owner is a “football guy”
Obviously they’re rich guys who made money on real estate tech or something.
They call other team presidents around the league and get recommendations.
There’s no reason George can’t do the same.
"Other team presidents" are your competitors and have incentive to provide a mix of competent and incompetent personnel in their recommendations.
You have to be smart and savvy enough to make the right choice. Is there any reason to believe that NumbNuts can manage that?
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No NFL owner is a “football guy”
Obviously they’re rich guys who made money on real estate tech or something.
They call other team presidents around the league and get recommendations.
There’s no reason George can’t do the same.
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It would take the pressure off Mediocre George and put it on the new guy in charge instead. But there is just no faith that he wouldn't flub that hire as well. Hell, I wouldn't trust him to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel :D
This coaching "staph" does less with more talent than most staffs. Not that they have a cornucopia of talent to work with, but just look at what the 49ers (and it pains me to say that considering what they did to Sayers back in the day and to the 80s Bears) have done with the injuries they've sustained. That's coaching. Not the feel good, "Be You", do what you want to lassez fair Nawji & company.....
It took the LoLions to clean house to just show how the Bears are actually the LoLions..... Then again that may be too harsh. At least the Bears can count their playoff appearances in the last 2 decades on one hand with a little help unlike the LoLions.....
Like most. sick to death with the utter dreck this team is at the moment. Crappy year just got crappier indeed. Crappy New Year ! :D
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They need to hire a legit president of football operations to hire his own GM.
With a few better players on offense and a real coach they’ll be fine.
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The Score was discussing does Virginia pull George out and replace him as well? He absolutely should be on the chopping block with everyone below him. Clean it all...
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There is no confidence McMediocre will get the best candidate available. He would probably go with another "consultant", btw proving his lack of football acumen, and we'll get another Ryan Pace. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
For the love of GOD I hope they prove me wrong.....
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If Teddy retires (per rumors of course) then having a "football guy" run the show and hire his new HC/GM would perk my interest a bit...
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Teddy "Used Car Salesman" Phillips, George "Mediocre" McCaskey, Ryan "Stop Hitting Yourself" Pace, Matt "Offensive Genius" Nawji and Chuck "Strong" Pagano have to each take a bite of this shit sandwich just like every fan that had the "honor" of watching the game. You just KNEW they were not going to win, even when up by 10 points TWICE.......
On Pace, I get the drafting of Trubisky, as if you feel he's your guy you get him. Trading up was the killer and at the time I thought this move will either make or break this regime. Well, I underestimated (and may still be) the amount of suffering it would take to clean house.
I really wonder if George McMediocre will make any moves this offseason though. They've got excuses- China virus, injuries, bad luck. To quote from Platoon (or Star Wars if that's more your style) "I got a baaaad feeling about this"........
Still, as long as McMediocre and "Sweaty" Teddy are still calling the shots, it probably will be same ole, same ole.....
Go Bears ! (And take this coaching staph) with you.....
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Yeah.
You see opposing teams defensive lines overload a side and create pressure. Or send 6 with 5 blockers. Bears did occasionally blitz Skrine and Smith but overall Pagano is so vanilla.
Why is Trevathan out there on 3rd and long?
Why do our DBs consistently play zone? Are they so bad that they can't play man once in a while? Maybe we overestimate them and their early success was due to the pass rush which has disappeared the last 6 games or so.
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I'll say this, I hope when Nagy leaves he takes Pagano with him.. Chuck is awful..
Today was his shining moment.
Straight 4 man rush. No stunts or anything to confuse the blockers.
Few if any blitzes. Soft zone coverage to prevent the big play........ and they got the big play anyway.
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I'll say this, I hope when Nagy leaves he takes Pagano with him.. Chuck is awful..
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Fitz isn't leaving Northwestern.
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Fitzgerald as our next HC. I heard somewhere that Jim Harbaugh is thinking of a NFL return.
Fitzgerald or Hairbaugh? Dont want either. No college coaches period. Hairbaugh has been a failure at Michigan anyways. Might as well have a monkey for a head coach
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Exactly. Virginia and Ed might want to consider a new chairman as well.
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Every decision maker from Phillips down needs to go.
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Let’s focus on a new president and GM first. Get some good football minds in charge of this sh1t show.
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I don't want him as HC next year. Just want Nagy gone.
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What difference does it make? They only have one shot to win another game this year and that is against Jacksonville. That one isn't even a given after this loss.
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Fitzgerald as our next HC. I heard somewhere that Jim Harbaugh is thinking of a NFL return. I wouldnt be too upset with that either.
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LOL I don’t want Pagano anywhere near this team
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Just get rid of Nagy now and put Pagano in as interim IMO.....
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I would be fine with that.
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Jason LaCanfora is reporting that the Bears will pursue Northwestern’s coach to replace Nagy.
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Pretty bad when there's talk of losing to the hapless Lions.. It's obvious Nagy is in over his head (understatement). It's also obvious that Pace is terrible at drafting. It's a shame that this team will be starting over, once again. Trubisky has had the pleasure of being coached by Fox and Nagy, that would make any player sick..
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Totally agree. Half of me wants to see them just lay down and roll over, getting Nagy out the door. Then again a win is always a good thing. But dont want the draft pick to be any worse than it will be. I guess it is a win/win either way you look at it.
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I've got such conflicted feelings about today's game. I can never actively root for a Bear loss but it would probably finally pull the seacocks and let the ship finally sink......
That said, I want the Bears to win. Will they ? Does it matter ? I guess that's why they play the games...... :D
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Watching the tape....he selfish. He gives up on plays when he is not primary target. He does not block for teammates. You can believe what you want, but dude not a team player.
Right on criticism of coaching, wrong on his attitude.
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AM is absolutely right.
He’s also far from selfish. He’s frustrated...as he should be.
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It was pretty obvious in last weeks game but more proof that the team is unraveling.
https://ontapsportsnet.com/2020/12/04/anthony-miller-takes-a-shot-at-the-bears-play-calling/
Truthfully I hope Miller goes with Nagy and Pace. I think he is a selfish player and would deal him in a second if up to me.
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Yeah, that’s a mock I did on thedraftnetwork.com...both Lance and Wilson were there at 13. Our pick will probably get better than that by the end of the season.
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No Coward. Ifedi move to RT was OK - he's better than Coward too.
anyone would be better than Coward, even Leno.
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Dave23 was that your mock draft? I have a feeling Wilson is going to be gone by the time we pick.
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No Coward. Ifedi move to RT was OK - he's better than Coward too.
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13.Chicago Bears
Zach Wilson
QB, BYU
45.Chicago Bears
Alex Leatherwood
OT, Alabama
77.Chicago Bears
Christian Barmore
IDL, Alabama
153.Chicago Bears
Josh Ball
OT, Marshall
190.Chicago Bears
Austin Watkins
WR, UAB
215.Chicago Bears
Ambry Thomas
CB, Michigan
220.Chicago Bears
Tyreke Smith
EDGE, Ohio State
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The OL lineup against the Pack looked noticeably better. Only Leno looked like a bum.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YR4dA6fij8
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I wondered about Mack, I thought I saw a lot of arm waving. The defense is laying down and why not? effort gets them......nothing.
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So I taped the game and was able to fast forward thru it, much less painful. Funny how Mitch gets his facemask yanked by TWO different Packers on the fumble yet no call, and Nichols pulls up but bumps Rogers and it is roughing the passer. On a good note it was nice to see Montgomery get some yards, and the OL wasnt horrid, except for the Walrus, Charlie Leno. Bad toe or whatever, please get him out of there. Actually I would like to see him stay, and Massie to come back, as I am now hoping for better draft position. I read somewhere they have a shot at maybe #10 depending on how things turn out. Nagy must go, and I wouldnt mind seeing Pace gone as well.
Also without Hicks, Mack is just loafing. He hasnt done anything in the last THREE games, and I saw him just standing around. Cant wait to see the Tape Never Lies for this week.
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At this point, Nagy has lost the team and any confidence he has a clue what he's doing. They should let him go and make Pagano interim coach.
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Brad Biggs story of 10 thoughts on the Trib, reading it, I had a chuckle. He says in it "But I give Leno credit for gutting it out and playing. The easy thing for him to do — and maybe the smart thing when considering his future –—would have been for him to tell the team he was in too much pain and couldn’t go. That would have kept Leno at whatever percentage from risking some bad tape moving forward."
Risking 'bad tape'?!? LOL! This guy is nothing BUT bad tape!!
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Here's a story on the Bears miserable history of trying to find the QB of their dreams.....
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29345410/why-chicago-bears-failed-solving-their-eternal-quarterback-quandary
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The Bears could have had 2 months to prepare for this game and it wouldn't have changed the outcome.
The issue isn't simply talent deficit. We've seen over multiplied seasons and decades this teams inability to benefit from off weeks-byes. They must go on vacation and do absolutely jack to prepare for the next team during these breaks because they do this constantly.
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Tom Brady ALWAYS operated behind a good offensive line. Belichick valued the OL over running backs and even WRs.
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Don't be an idiot. The Bears could have had 2 months to prepare for this game and it wouldn't have changed the outcome.
There's a significant talent differential between the teams without even having to discuss coaching.
Bears need to get Hicks back, get some sort of cohesiveness with this revamped O-line and get some more snaps for Trubisky and maybe the Bears can make it a closer game next month. But unless Rodgers gets a season ending injury the result should be similar.
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And the Bears had two weeks to prepare for a division rival to get back in a playoff race.
Thud
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Just for shits and giggles I performed a (non-scientific) quick (verbal) poll of my football buddies (some Bear fans, most not) on a word or two what they thought of the Bears last night....
The most common answers were "shit show" and "clusterfuck". I even had one down for "craptastic"......
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That Hall RB from Iowa State looked pretty good too.
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I wonder what round we could get Matt Corral in?
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Well the 1st of possibly 3 HC/GM firings in the NFC North has begun. Lions with the 1st finish ! (something they have not heard in over 60 years)......
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You guess? Every year it's the same unless a Bear or 6 has their game of the year Sunday night.
Maybe we'll have a Quinn sighting? Or maybe Jackson or someone in the secondary will have an ....I forgot what you call it when a defensive back catches a pass from the opposing team's QB.
Offensively, establish a running game with the revamped O-line and hope Trubisky has time to find his second read. Maybe get all the receivers involved - including that rookie TE...from Notre Dame. Yeah, him.
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I guess tomorrow night will be the Rodgers love fest (and the Bears sh!t show) on TV..
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From what we've seen for the past few years, the NONE of the oline appears to know their assignments (or at least not at the same time. anyway)......
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Ifedis biggest problem appears to be assignments. He doesn't know them. I think it's easier to simplify assignments for a RT then a guard. IIRC, his penalty issue in Seattle was false starts.
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Interesting. Ifedi was a horrible RT for the Seahawks. That is why they let him go. Then again cant be worse than Coward.
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Bears reshuffling O-line for Pacers game. Coward odd man out. Leno iffy with toe. Ifedi to RT.
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Need to draft players for the scheme or scheme for the players talent.
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This team is full of problems.....
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Every day people are calling for the firing of Pace. He's had some bad luck particularly in the first round.
But did you know that Leonard Floyd has 7 sacks already this season? Khalil Mack and Robert Quinn COMBINED only have 7.5. Quinn has one...on his first play as a Bear. How the hell does that happen?
And Quinn had 11.5 last year with Dallas.
So maybe Floyd isn't the bust that many thought he was. And maybe there is something up with the coaching of the Bears' pass rushers.
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I'm not saying if you get a franchise QB that you can just start any fat slobs in your O-line and be set. I'm saying that if you have a chance at a franchise quality QB that you take him and the O-line build can come later.
You can't have a lineup of Topp's all-stars on your team. Salary cap, player's length of careers and injuries are a lot of moving parts that can't always be addressed with draft picks and free agent signings.
You can build a winning team with a decent QB and a solid O-line and defense - but if the opportunity comes up get the franchise QB.
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Not saying this is true, but what if Mitch IS a decent/good QB and we just dont know because his talent was never developed and he has played behind horrid OL? Just something to ponder.
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Well if you have a good QB and don't have a good OLine (and a playcaller who can keep the QB out of trouble) then you have Joe Burrow (and a blown ACL). He was hit so much this season......
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Russell Wilson had been sacked (https://www.nfl.com/news/rebuilt-offensive-line-looks-to-keep-russell-wilson-upright) more than any other QB since 2012 and led the league in getting sacked last year. A great QB can overcome a bad OL. Building a "top-notch" OL is next to impossible nowadays with the salary cap and dilution of talent. But it would be possible to build an average OL if the GM wasn't so focused on flushing money down the toilet to make up for his fuckups in the draft.
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I think you have been watching such an inferior offensive line in Chicago so long you don't appreciate what an average offensive line is capable of.
Name me all the pro bowl offensive lineman that Brady had over his career at New England. Look at Desean Watson. He's been getting killed by his O-line in Houston, but his QB rating over his first 4 years is over 100.
The NFL is all about he QB - you get a chance at a franchise QB you take him and you can put together an offensive line. Well, unless of course you're the GM of the Bears.
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That was then, this now:
First - bring in the best quarterback available.
Second - build a top notch offensive line.
Third - get a top notch runner.
If you want to include defensive positions running back drops.
I don't agree. In this day and age, it is even more important to establish your offensive line before getting a quarterback. Back then, you could draft a quarterback, spend 4 years developing him, and still get 6 years or more use out of him. Today, a quarterback has to be productive immediately, because he will be a free agent in about 6 years if not before. And if the Oline stinks, he is almost certain to be injured, which reduces the value you get from him.
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Bingo!
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We can't find one good QB. The Saints lose Brees and plug in Taysom Hill and don't miss a beat.
The saints have a good OL
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With our OFFENSIVE Line even a HOF QB is subject to get killed
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We can't find one good QB. The Saints lose Brees and plug in Taysom Hill and don't miss a beat.
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Think about it. This coaching staff is who we depended on to coach up Mitch... Little wonder Mitch turned into a not so good QB..
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Until something is done with this coaching staff, it won't matter what players you field, this team is a mess.. Glad I'm not wasting my time watching this garbage. Between listening to you guys and watching the tape never lies, that's all I need to know this team is a disgrace..
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Lol, running that wildcat play shows entirely how screwed up this offense is. That was about as bad as it can be done. What a total cluster. No one knows their blocking assignment and it looked like a group of blind men doing who knows what the H out there. Total confusion. Nagy needs to be fired as soon as this season is over. That's the first step in doing anything positive for this team. Pace should be gone as well and the guy who hired both should be shown the door....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbcdJqhCs4M
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Definitely mismanagement.
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That’s an easy B for me.
Bears really tarnished the legacy by mismanagement after only one championship.
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A friend posed a good question to me the other day. To whit:
Would you prefer:
A. A team (85 Bears) that is legendary but only wins one championship and will be forever enshrined as one of the best OR
B. A team like the wins championships but is not legendary and will fade from consciousness as time goes by (Patriots)
I kind of had a hard time answering, so I rationalized :D
I'd take "A" if "B" only won 2-3 championships. Any more and I think I'd take "B"....
Just a kind of weird thought excersize (and proof of just what kind of "friends" I have- I don't need any more enemies THAT'S for sure....) :D
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How many times do we see servicable QBs, like Flacco or Dilfer or Foles win the superbowl? Not always but it does happen. You need a good D and an OL that can give the QB time to do what needs to be done.
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Jim McMahon wasn't the best QB at the time. The Bears won with Defense, a great RB and a great OL. That philosophy still wins games today.....we have a manageable QB, a horrid offensive line and really, who knows what we have at RB with this terrible line. The whole thing falls apart with the bad Oline....
The '85 era Bears had a once in a lifetime defense, a HOF running back, and an offensive line with pro-bowlers. McMahon was very good, but he didn't have to be great.
My point is if you can land the elite QB, you get him. You can put the offensive line together later. If you could have Mahomes or the 3 top lineman for KC - which would you choose?
I think our O-line will get better from here on out - though not much. But I really don't have any faith in our plays or play calling. Defenses are outsmarting the Bears, that was evident Monday night.
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.we have a manageable QB
We do? Who?
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How many posts stretching back to the Trib days mention "the bad oline". For God's sake. And once again the Bears sifting through the nfl sewage for something alive to play on the line.
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Jim McMahon wasn't the best QB at the time. The Bears won with Defense, a great RB and a great OL. That philosophy still wins games today.....we have a manageable QB, a horrid offensive line and really, who knows what we have at RB with this terrible line. The whole thing falls apart with the bad Oline....
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Sure, all that.
With limited draft picks and a decrease in the cap....dream on.
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That was then, this now:
First - bring in the best quarterback available.
Second - build a top notch offensive line.
Third - get a top notch runner.
If you want to include defensive positions running back drops.
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As has been hinted about in several of the above posts, Plays or play selection may be good, or may be bad. We have no idea because the offensive line is so terrible in run blocking that no play or play selection could succeed. Our offense depends upon play action passes, and no play action pass can succeed if the defense knows that you are totally unable to run the ball.
The best football GM that I have seen in my lifetime was Jim Finks. His offensive philosophy was quite simple.
First - build a top notch offensive line.
Second - get a top notch runner.
Third - bring in the best quarterback available.
IN THAT ORDER.
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Pace did draft Whitehair and got a draft pick to boot after a trade down.
Bears have been snakebit at OT for decades: Marc Columbo, Gabe Carimi, Stan Thomas, Chris Williams
In fact, if you looked at Bears' drafts since the heydey of the 80s, Bears have been horrible finding talent in round 1
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The OL has been an ongoing problem since Pace has been with the Bears. It's nothing new.
Other teams like the Packers, Tampa, Miami Raiders Chiefs have done a pretty good job of rebuilding their lines in about a year.
Other than drafting Daniels, I don't see any good decisions Pace has made for the OL.
Pace is certainly good with defense. Jaylon Johnson is a rookie of the year candidate.
Urban, Jenkins, McCullers are guys who can play. He's made plenty of good picks on defense.
I don't scrutinize each of Pace's decisions like a lot of fans. Every other GM has draft picks and FA signings that didn't work out.
It's just hard to figure how bad this OL is and the only additions were Ifedi who can't play and Spriggs who has to be the most often injured player in the league.
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Bears had numerous holes to fill going into 2020.
Replacement for Leonard Floyd. Replacement for Prince Amukamora. Replacement for Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. All starters.
Offensively, replacement for Taylor Gabriel. Replacement for Kyle Long. Replacement for Trey Burton. All starters.
Depth issues at QB, ILB, TE, CB, safety, and offensive line.
Pace's existing contracts for Leno and Massie somewhat limited his ability to pursue replacements for those 2 positions.
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The O-line is the problem. WE ALL KNEW IT!
How the fvck didn't Pace and Nagy?
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I guess the talk the next few months will be whether or not Nagy gets fired or both Nagy and Pace.
Reportedly George McCasky was pretty mad leaving the Titans game.
Local media is somewhat skeptical of changes with the contracts they have.
Allen Robinson has been pretty angry the last few weeks as well.
He may refuse any contracts the Bears would offer at this point.
I still think if Pace had addressed the offensive line they would be scoring 24-27 points a game and no one would care about play calling quarterback and all the other issues.
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how could the Bears have no response to the blitz? All game long the blitz went unblocked.
The Bears actually had a somewhat decent o-line combination Monday night with the return of Whitehair.
The Vikings have jack for pass rush. Bears would go empty and Zimm would send 5 guys, but he'd over load a size and the Bears offensive lineman couldn't figure out how to slide.
2nd half. Bears keep a HB and TE to pass block. Zimm sends 4 and drops 7 to cover 3 Bear receivers. Nobody open.
Bears have no ability to hit a quick pass or a dump off to counter act blitzes. I've never seen a half back screen.
Vikings have a bunch of backup corners and they limit our deep threat Mooney to 2 catches for 3 yards.
The only positive I saw on offense was the HB Pierce. He showed some burst. Of course we won't see him again when Montgomery gets back after the bye.
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Drivel, dribble, whatever... That's another discrimination. They won't let me play in the NBA, all I want is one season, but I can't drivel.. buncha sad sacks..
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Bears rank just above the Jets in all offensive catagories. Only two constants since Ditka era, Virginia and Ted. Fire Ted.
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how could the Bears have no response to the blitz? All game long the blitz went unblocked.
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Just getting a football mind (https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/are-the-chicago-bears-quietly-courting-peyton-manning/) in the big chair instead of an accountant would be an improvement...
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Theo might be available.
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Well, in any sane world (this is not one of those) Nawji would be shown the door (along with the GM) and the whole thing re-evaluated. That toothless offense is an embarassment to the "professional" in professional football nothwithstanding he's a supposedly "offensive" whiz......
Since the Trest-mess "error" I've watched less live games to the end than I have in the previous 20+ years prior. This one was no exception. Turned it off after the 1st "offensive" drive in the 4th. Just knew they were done. Nawji "BE YOU" and just get the fuck out of town (take that clown Pace with you).......
This suck-ass year as whole just gets better and better....
So, who's going to inherit this mess for the re-build ? :D
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Maybe one of the Bears problems is the plays...not just the play calling.
Bears offensively seem to ignore the middle of the field especially for easy yardage. I don't know how many times I see a receiver running inside, having a step on the defender, then slow down and stop and look at the QB. Its not like they are making a hard stop and curl in....they just kind of stand there like a decoy.
And don't believe the garbage about not having a play setup for a specific player. Foles nows when the ball is snapped where he's going and most of the time he's going to go there - even if the guy is covered. It may be because he knows if he looks at a secondary receiver he's going to get clobbered.
I thought one of his advantages over Trubisky was his vision. I'm not seeing it.
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we'll see if this guy is just Nagy 2.0 in order to keep his job. I ain't holding my breath for stunning turnarounds.
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Pace and Nagy are both completely worthless if the goal is to win the Super Bowl. Why do you bring in an “offensive guru “ ::) ::) ::) and build a team to “win” with defense? In a passing league? I’m hoping for another housecleaning after this year or we’ll be seeing the same crap next season
Vice versa in Tennessee, where Head Coach Mike Vrabel is a defensive expert, and his defense is last in the league. Or go back 20 years when the Ravens won the Superbowl with Dilfer at QB, and Brian Billick the offensive genius. At least Nagy isn't calling the plays, let's see where this goes. It pained me to hear him talk about how much he loves calling plays. Like he loves doing it more than his job as head coach.
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I find no fault in having the defense the Bears have at the moment. Not pairing with a complementary offense, however, is a fire-able offense.....
In the NFL the D has been so emasculated that everyone pays lip service to it, but I think few (especially younger folks) really appreciate it. When it works its magical (and since the NFL is so heavily slanted to offense) and noted, but even the "small plays in between" that the highlights never get to can be quite beautiful.
Its kind of like folks who think Mack is overrated since he hasn't had the eye-popping stats. Anyone who actually watches (and knows football) can see with their naked eye that is not the case. He's not a stat monster but a monster nonetheless. Same applies to Akiem Hicks. And lets not forget the players like Fuller, Danny T, Smith and Jackson......
More the shame and opprobrium on Pace/Nawji for not having at least an AVERAGE nfl offense to complement that. Shame. Shame. Shame......
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Whoever it was who said the OL was "good enough" and that we should draft Kmet with our first draft pick, THAT is the person responsible for this hot mess. My guess is Nagy, although I am not giving Pace a pass at all. He could/should have drafted as many big beefy lineman as he could, before the 7th round, knowing full well what crapp he had in Leno and Massie.
Our TE production was the worst in the league and many here didn't think Graham had anything left. Bears thought they could get by with Massie and Leno and added Ifedi and Spriggs. Contract status may have come into play in not drafting an OT as well as the top ones were gone by our pick in round 2.
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Pace and Nagy are both completely worthless if the goal is to win the Super Bowl. Why do you bring in an “offensive guru “ ::) ::) ::) and build a team to “win” with defense? In a passing league? I’m hoping for another housecleaning after this year or we’ll be seeing the same crap next season
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playing Cowart is proof enough that Nagy must go.
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The evolution/devolution/revolution of the Bears Offense begins tomorrow. Which will it be ? Odds are it will be same-ole, same-ole. But that is why we watch the games, or are we just moschists ?:D
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Whoever it was who said the OL was "good enough" and that we should draft Kmet with our first draft pick, THAT is the person responsible for this hot mess. My guess is Nagy, although I am not giving Pace a pass at all. He could/should have drafted as many big beefy lineman as he could, before the 7th round, knowing full well what crapp he had in Leno and Massie.
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The Oline was hot garbage last week and not sure it will be much better this week.
However if we could somehow win this game, I wonder if this Oline shuffle may not just help us out in long run.
I thought Mustipher played solid at center for his first and only game. When Whitehair comes back you could bump him to LG. Keep Ifedi at RG. When Bobby Massie comes back from a knee he is your RT. Then make Spriggs your LT. I think this could be the best Oline of the year and possibly solidify our offense going towards playoff run.
Now granted some of those guys have to recover from injury and you need for them to stay healthy. A lot of if and or buts. However could be a blessing in disguise going thru this Oline shuffle.
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As HC and an offensive guru his job is to make sure the offense works. Did he tell Pace the O line was good enough? These are things we don't know.
What we do know is the Nagy/Pace combo is not working and both need to be fired if they can't turn this train wreck around.
I have zero confidence that they can.
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We have no idea if Nagy is good or bad. His strength is in the passing offense, but you can not HAVE a passing offense if your running game is non-existent, and the defense can ignore play action passes.
Until they get an Oline that can run block, the offense will suck.
This season is over. The worst thing that can happen now is to win about half the games, and lose the first playoff game. We have no legitimate chance to succeed beyond that, and all we do is screw up our draft choices that we need to firm up the Oline. Time to lose the rest of the games, and start over next year.
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It's almost as if Nagy and Pace don't know how to build an offense. Foles isn't much, but put a decent line in front of him with an adequate run game and would be serviceable. above average O with a top 10 D equals playoffs. It's as if these guys are just throwing sh!t against the wall to see what sticks. Nagy's terrible but Pace isn't any better. I still think Mitch would've been fine with a decent O line and a run game that he could count on. All I have to keep hearing is Leno, and I think, WTF?
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The damning thing about Nagy and his system was what the TE coach said about the fact that they never scheme any play to just get 1 guy open. They have 4 options per play, and it is up to the QB to decide which one to go to. Since Mitch isnt a fast processor, that is why he struggled. Foles doesnt have enough time to get thru all 4 before he is getting hit. Hey Lazor, how about you design a play that gets Jimmy Graham open in the end zone, that is the key, and just do that? It will be very interesting to see what happens on Monday night.
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Figured this would have happened after the bye week (and losing this week). Now its not a sure thing they'll lose this game. Makes things more interesting thats for sure....
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Let me see, because of the oline you can't run the ball and your QB sucks...what plays are there for Nagy?
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It's definitely a combo of issues, both the coach and line. Nagy is a bonehead with the play calls and giving them up is a good idea but the line needs much better personnel to move forward and compete. Someone needs to roll up on Leno and get him the H out of there. That would help immensely.
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Not as nearly as excited about this announcement. If the Bears can get some guys back on the O-line the offense will move the ball.
As I've said before let's see who's back from injury on the O-line, but I'm not ready to get all giddy like this school girl.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inbVF1L8VXM
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Fixed it.
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Wrong forum, Peke....
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https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/bears-assistant-accidently-proves-matt-nagy-really-is-the-problem
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Can Leno get hurt, please?? I am so incredibly sick of seeing this clown every-fricking-game with constant f'ups!! EVERY GAME! MULTIPLE TIMES A GAME!! Can't run block...can't pass block...penalties. He is a solid DETRIMENT to this team. Get him the H off the field!!! >:( >:( >:( 'Replace him with whom?' I can absofrickinlutely guarantee you there's a guy sitting on his butt out there somewhere on a practice squad, at home on his couch, whatever who could replace this guy right now! Leno isn't even playing to a 7th rounders ability at this point!!!
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just watched the tape never lies twice & all I can say is everyone on the OL looks putrid.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhNOCVIOESQ
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He means status as Montgomery went into concussion protocol.
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But what about Montgomery?
What about him? You would be as effective back there in this offense. Nagy doesn't have a running game. He is and has been irrelevant.
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Coward needs to be parking cars. Period.
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If my memory is correct isnt Kush capable at center as well as guard?
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Maybe a turnover from the defense would help.
Bears should have Kush this weekend. Spriggs should be back too. If Spriggs is back do the Bears put Coward at LG or go with Kush. Mustipher appears iffy - so maybe Bars gets another week. That is, unless Whitehair has recovered from the COVID and calf injury.
But what about Montgomery?
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Quinn doesn't have the sack numbers this year, but he's getting home decently enough.
Edwards is having a decent year, but he's depth.
Defense isn't the issue. We need a new OL, a real QB and a new HC and GM.
Until then, it doesn't matter what the defense does.
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Not a real Einstein moment here, but I was thinking about Nagy and this offense. All of last season, the fingers were pointed at Mitch, and his lack of taking this offense from 100 level to 200 level. Nagy sold us on the progress that was being made in the 2019 training camp, but when Mitch and the offense took the field, the results were not there. The teacher promised, and did not deliver. The offense had occasional flashes, but was not consistent. Mitch's fault, he didn't take a step. Need to get a QB in here that has experience running this system to show the NFL how this offense should look. Pace obliged and picked up Foles. Foles was Nagy's hand picked choice.
But Nagy realizes this is a brotherhood, and he couldn't just plunk Foles in without a training camp battle showing Foles was superior. Covid hit, no training camp, and the only solution was to keep Mitch in, who had the relationships with the current team mates on offense. Two wins down, and a winnable game against the Falcons, the offense against started slow, Mitch started slow. The third quarter pick sealed Mitch's fate, and he was pulled. In comes Foles, and here comes the offense to unchain the offense. Foles almost immediately caught fire, threw 3 TDs, and we were off to the races.
Since that game, either Foles or Nagy, have found their level. That level actually looks lower than 2019. This is now the albatross around Nagy's neck. This is his offense, not Mitch's and not Fole's's. In his offense, you don't run the I formation. I am creative, and will show the NFL that I have this beautiful mind to design offenses. When you take away the perfume from 2018, it was a tremendous defensive output and turnovers that put the offense in great position. Playing with leads, the defense became more aggressive, and also coached under Fangio, was a better unit. Cody Parkey became the goat, and all of the offensive troubles were masked by turnovers received and that missed kick.
This is Nagy's offense, and we haven't seen any improvement, regardless of who is playing quarterback.
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I am thinking something is not right with Quinn, like when the Cubs acquired Darvish. He didn't participate in training camp and was being brought along. I am hoping this is just a slump season for him so far and he regains what he was in Dallas.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QrLttpU89g
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I've always hoped for big things from Roy but he's just a guy.
One thing I noticed Sunday was #75 McCullers. He was stout against the run. I'd like to see a lot more of him. Also, #97 Edwards is a bit undersized but is a pass rushing beast.
Now if only Quinn can get it going - he didn't get a lot of pressure against Taylor Lewann's backup, journeyman Ty Sambrailo.
Quinn is looking like a FA bust.
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Roy Rob Harris done for year.
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgxnVO1JFPjyRvuDMRZ4AaABCQ
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Re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic, unfortunately. Would it be so Bear's like to suddenly look BETTER on oline with players NOT the stiffs that were penciled in starters ?
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Biggs is reporting that the bears are bringing back Kush. He needs to pass a physical and go through covid protocols before joining the team.
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Schmitz' breakdown of the saints game:
https://youtu.be/t0T8irRIzHM
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/11/5/21550286/bears-matt-nagy-nick-foles-sack-offensive-line-play-call-titans-saints-mike-vrabel-backup-block-hurt
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Oh. I forgot about that post.
QB 2 is Patrick Mahomes.
QB 1 is Ryan Tannehill who was run out of Miami and resurrected under a coach who knows how to coach.
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Why would he want to play for this franchise anymore? He was totally blamed for all the offensive woes and come to find out 99.9% of it lies at Matt Nagy's feet. Nothing has changed with the QB change. Matt has his hand picked choice there and it's no better.
I bet Trubisky leaves Chicago and catches on with a coach that knows how to coach and he flourishes.
FWIW can you name these two QB's over the last 14 starts from October 18, 2020?
QB 1 QB 2
11-3 Record 11-3
3,602 Pass Yards 3,674
31/6 TD/INT 28/6
116.7 Rating 102.3
I could see Trubisky going to New England and playing lights out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl2vepvMx4E
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Why would he want to play for this franchise anymore? He was totally blamed for all the offensive woes and come to find out 99.9% of it lies at Matt Nagy's feet. Nothing has changed with the QB change. Matt has his hand picked choice there and it's no better.
I bet Trubisky leaves Chicago and catches on with a coach that knows how to coach and he flourishes.
FWIW can you name these two QB's over the last 14 starts from October 18, 2020?
QB 1 QB 2
11-3 Record 11-3
3,602 Pass Yards 3,674
31/6 TD/INT 28/6
116.7 Rating 102.3
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Too funny. If I am Mitch I say my shoulder hurts so I dont have to play another down this year, and am looking forward to a fresh start somewhere else next year.
The Bears put quarterback Mitchell Trubisky on the field for one play on Sunday. Trubisky may be regretting it.
Trubisky suffered a shoulder injury on that play, Mike Garafolo of NFL Network reports. The severity of the injury is still being evaluated.
On his one and only play, Trubisky ran the ball for three yards. He was tackled by Saints linebacker Alex Anzalone.
Trubisky was benched in favor of Nick Foles in Week Three, and the one snap he took Sunday was the first time he’s been on the field since. There’s been some talk that Foles could be benched and Trubisky could go back in, but if Trubisky’s injury proves to be serious, that won’t happen.
Foles and Trubisky are the only quarterbacks on the Bears’ active roster. If Trubisky is inactive this week because of his injury, practice squad quarterback Tyler Bray would be called up as Foles’ backup.
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Complete and total Bears type of trainwreck, ignoring the line literally for years and then the not so good linemen getting hurt. A lot of Oh My God how could this happen garbage,
And the Bears with no decent replacements. Game over, roll credits on another year of stupid planning. Hoping it will be ok is not a plan.
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Hambright was called up a couple weeks ago - Simmons was on the PS until today.
I think they both project to guard.
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Now I'm reading that Mustipher got hurt Sunday but stayed in the game. He might miss a few weeks.
Ohhhh boy.
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Is that the Yale guy, Dieter Eiselen?
He was not brought up, but Lachavious Simmons was.
Yeah, Eiselen. His college clips looked like he played with a nasty streak besides being very strong. The bears are still going to need to add another lineman or two if whitehair can't go.
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Hambright? I thought I saw him on the sidelines in uniform Sunday...
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Is that the Yale guy, Dieter Eiselen?
He was not brought up, but Lachavious Simmons was.
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Ifedi and Spriggs are placed on covid list. Bearse are really going to need whitehair back next week.
Leno-whitehair-mustipher-bars-coward
If whitehair can't go then it would be the 7th rounder who's been on the roster. I hope they bring up that big nasty rugby player.
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Holy fright Maddie IR and Ifedi and Spriggs on COVID list.
Hope they have 5 linemen Sunday
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Pace wanted Spriggs in the second round in 2016. Packers traded up to the pick right before Chicago's and took him.
Pace actually traded down his 2nd rounder after Spriggs was selected and took Cody Whitehair a few picks later and got a 4th rounder - Deon Bush.
Bears will get a chance to test drive Spriggs for a few weeks before Massie can return from his knee injury.
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Ok Leno next:
The Bears lost right tackle Bobby Massie early in Sunday’s overtime loss to the Saints and it may be a while before he’s able to return to action.
Massie went out after the back of his left leg was rolled up by several players at the end of a David Montgomery run on the Bears’ fourth offensive play of the day. He would not return to action on Sunday.
Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune reports that Massie could miss a month as a result of the knee injury. The Bears have already lost left guard James Daniels for the season and center Cody Whitehair missed the game against the Saints because of a calf injury.
Jason Spriggs replaced Massie and left guard Rashaad Coward moved to the spot for one play when Spriggs left the game. The Bears also have Alex Bars on hand and could add more help before Tuesday afternoon’s trade deadline if they aren’t happy with the in-house options.
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I think Foles is scared behind this horrible line.
He absolutely should be.
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I thought the OLine that worked best yesterday was
Leno Bars Mustipher Ifedi Coward
They were still bad.
I was surprised at how well Mustipher played. I never thought he'd play in the NFL when I watched him at ND.
I think Foles is scared behind this horrible line.
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They signed that huge guy off Pittsburgh practice squad would like to see him play.
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It's disturbing how opponents are running right at our RDE play after play with huge success.
Robertson Harris is getting blown off the ball and Urban is only a little better.
The are both 3-4 DEs but are now playing quite a bit of 4-3 DT. Both are a shade under 300 lbs and tall 6-5 and 6-7 - not prototype DT size.
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No where in the rules will you see that a play is dead because of a whistle. The official blows the whistle after the ball is ruled dead.
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2 game suspension for Wims...maybe we'll see Ridley this weekend?
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Hugh? The bean bag was tossed to mark the end of the play when forward progress was determined to be stopped by the official. At that moment the play is dead no matter how long it takes them to get the whistle to their lips and blow it. The play was already over long before the ball came out.
Blowing the whistle is not what determines the play is over. That is the alert to the players that the play is over and they should stop whatever it is they are doing. That is why you play through the whistle. It is also why officials can let the play continue if they are not sure the play is over or not.
I see what you're saying but I don't really understand fully. Why is it there are times there is a fumble and the refs disallow it because they say the whistle was blown.
They change play outcomes because of the whistle yet you say the whistle is not what determines the play is over.
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Once that bean bag was tossed out to mark forward progress the play was dead whether they blow the whistle or not they could have let that play continue and NO could have picked up the ball and scored with no whistle. The official who threw the marker would have said no the play was dead long before the runner lost control of the ball.
Forward progress is not a reviewable play either. They could have reviewed if he lost control before the bean bag but it was obvious that he had not. It came out well after the marker was tossed.
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They didn't blow the whistle, which means they considered it a fumble until they decided it was progress stopped.
Hugh? The bean bag was tossed to mark the end of the play when forward progress was determined to be stopped by the official. At that moment the play is dead no matter how long it takes them to get the whistle to their lips and blow it. The play was already over long before the ball came out.
Blowing the whistle is not what determines the play is over. That is the alert to the players that the play is over and they should stop whatever it is they are doing. That is why you play through the whistle. It is also why officials can let the play continue if they are not sure the play is over or not.
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It's disturbing how opponents are running right at our RDE play after play with huge success.
Robertson Harris is getting blown off the ball and Urban is only a little better.
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Your point was it was a clear fumble that the Refs changed their minds on and reversed the call to give Kmet a break.
In fact it was the correct call from the beginning. It was never ruled a fumble. It was never reviewed. It was a correct call made during the play. Their was no bail out nor was there a fumble.
They didn't blow the whistle, which means they considered it a fumble until they decided it was progress stopped.
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The Bears defense will be shredded by the Titans run game. Mark this one up as a loss.
It will probably be as ugly a loss as the Rams game. Maybe worse.
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next up the Titans, very no nonsense team with an absolute monster running back. Lost to Cincy, I hope the Bears change SOMETHING to make it better.
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The dead ball call was the right cal and it did benefit the Bears. But it was the right call.
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So it was called a dead ball. Again that definitely benefited the Bears.
Your point was it was a clear fumble that the Refs changed their minds on and reversed the call to give Kmet a break.
Refs bailed out Kmet yesterday when he fumbled. Clear fumble too.
In fact it was the correct call from the beginning. It was never ruled a fumble. It was never reviewed. It was a correct call made during the play. Their was no bail out nor was there a fumble.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/11/2/21545925/bears-javon-wims-suspension-fight-punches-thrown-cj-gardner-johnson-saints-safety-sunday-ejection
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So it was called a dead ball. Again that definitely benefited the Bears.
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RULE 7 Ball in Play, Dead Ball, Scrimmage
Section 1 Ball in Play
Article 1: Live Ball. After the ball has been declared ready for play, it becomes a live ball when it is legally
snapped or legally kicked (a free kick or fair catch kick). The ball remains dead if it is snapped or kicked
before it is made ready for play.
Section 2 Dead Ball
Article 1: Dead Ball Declared. An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended:
(a) when a runner is contacted by a defensive player and touches the ground with any part of his body
other than his hands or feet. The ball is dead the instant the runner touches the ground. A runner
touching the ground with his hands or feet while in the grasp of an opponent may continue to
advance; or
(b) when a runner is held or otherwise restrained so that his forward progress ends; or
(c) when a quarterback immediately drops to his knee (or simulates dropping to his knee) behind the line
of scrimmage; or
(d) when a runner declares himself down by sliding feet first on the ground. The ball is dead the instant
the runner touches the ground with anything other than his hands or his feet; or
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In the officials defense, and you can see it on replay, the ref did throw the black bean bag to mark forward progress way before he fumbled. I think the rule is once forward progress is determined the runner is technically down at that point.
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Nice that we got to see a highlight of Spriggs standing in place while a DE ran around him.
Last week we got to see the same highlight with Maddie.
Aikman said Montgomery leads the league in broken tackles.
I hope Whithair can come back and play left guard and leave Mustipher at center. White hair can still make OL calls from the guard position.
Bars must be really bad in practice not to see the field.
I think he could play RT, at least he can move his feet
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Refs bailed out Kmet yesterday when he fumbled. Clear fumble too.
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Ginn was signed to upgrade speed at WR. He has not been a full time punt returner...and it showed. The emergence of Mooney has decreased the need of Ginn on the roster. Ginn is just an insurance policy for Mooney.
He had a crucial catch against the Falcons earlier this year and he burned us last year with the Saints.
If you noticed the Bears rarely incorporate all 3 WRs into a game plan, though they did Sunday. Not many catches for Wims, Ginn and Patterson..and of course Ridley. Miller was a no-show in numerous games.
Same is true at TE where Graham gets the majority of targets. Did you hear Aikman slam Graham for his lackadaisical routes? That was evident on Trubisky's interception at Atlanta too. Graham had 7 targets - 2 receptions. Where's Kmet?
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Wierd signings like Ginn Jr are a signature hallmark of the Pace era. I'm more firmly convinced than ever that Pace was only a gopher in the Saints organization. I guess if skill and knowledge came from close contact osmosis he would be fine but that ain't how skill and knowledge work.....
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Pace isn’t the only one to blame for the poor personnel on offense. Nagy and he are “such good partners” or whatever. They are Nagy’s guys too...presumably he’s on board with spending way more than half on defense
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ivanka-trump-breaks-obama-record-on-way-to-35m-plus-fundraising-haul-reports
Anyone that thinks this family will go away quietly has lost their mind...
Sorry not intentional..
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Well, wrong forum but I'll play a little. Trump is the man needed at the moment. That's the only way the prosecutions for the deep state will have any chance to occur. And we can still live our lives without increasing nanny-state-ism (although note it is not really going down much but the brakes have been tapped at least). Dementiacrats need to be put into the wilderness for a generation or so when they will be needed to be a real counter-weight (not dead weight they are now)...
And just to redirect to football- anyone else fricken hate late starts ? :)
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Coward is the Bears’ lowest-graded player on offense, per Pro Football Focus
Nagy needs to be fired for just having him on the team.
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Yes it does
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There certainly are advantages to not watching the NFL.. Well, and MLB for that fact.. The only thing that seems to change is the year on the calendar..
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This exposes the problem but is it the right solution?
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/30/espn-analyst-proposes-bears-trade-that-makes-sense/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Perhaps, but the whole left side blows.
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I got a bad feeling the Bears are in for a Trestman-like meltdown if something does not click.. and soon....
Nagy has the locker room- for now. But if the incompetence continues, it won't take long for the knives to come out. It does feel surreal. Kind of like this election season.....
Maybe in celebration of Halloween, the Bears Offense can dress up as an average NFL offense for a change....
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Sam Mustipher starts at center Sunday.
Why are they playing Cowart. WTF.
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Probably the major reason why they don't run more is that this Oline can't run block to save their souls. I think that Montgomery is an excellent running back, but you can't run through holes that aren't there.
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He had Patterson in there on the second fvcking play of the game.
It's a damn shame when your starting RB has more yards running in and out of the huddle then they do up and down the field.
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Please stop using Patterson as a RB.
Why are they sitting on that RB from Oregon St on the practice squad?
Its called the 2020 Nagy Special. And you can call the OL play the Keystone Kops.
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interesting thing about this week's "tape never lies" was Phil's pointing out how the Ram's OL worked in unison like a fine tuned machine, everyone executing their assignment - and then comparing it to the Bear's cluster fukk. Quite a stark contrast.
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Not sure why they draft guys and aren't using them. Again, where is Riley Ridley??? Anyone??? Why are they using Kmet very sparingly??
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Please stop using Patterson as a RB.
Why are they sitting on that RB from Oregon St on the practice squad?
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I gotta stop watching those...they just piss me off...
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The Panthers knew they would have a big pass rush when we played them so they had a quick passing game.
We should be able to game plan the same.
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Agree 100%.
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Its just so painful to see the exact same problems week after week. And the same dolts making the exact same mistakes. Please give Bars another chance. Please bench Demetrius Harris. Please do something/anything with Massie and Leno. Please stop using Patterson as a RB.
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this week's tape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df8qbS1pUy8
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He must have got a better deal - Bears at least have playoff potential this year.
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Spain HAS been signed, by Cincy.
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Pace=inept. Was he really Payton's personal assistant? The guy has rotortillered through how much money, time, people and signed off the launching of Howard ? Has Spain been signed yet?
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I do feel that 98% percent of all GM's would not give 17 million dollars to Mike Glennon....except that wouldn't be true because Pace is technically a GM, so one divided by thirty-two =3.125% of all NFL-GM's at the time, so 96.9% of the GM's at the time wouldn't do it. If you looked at ALL NFL GM's past and future, the numbers don't get any better...
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occasionally?
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Pace has identified two quarterbacks, may their names never be spoken again. Whatever 98% of the guys would have done...Pace's job is to not be wrong.
Everyone's job is to not be wrong, and everyone is occasionally wrong.
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A Rob not at practice today, and in concussion protocol...
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Bears Wire is trash.
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Well the media sure doesnt see what the fans see. The fans see no running game and no protection for the QB and the media sees all the college QBS and WRS available as top draft picks. Fans know you cant run the ball or get passes off without OLmen. Bears Wire has predicted a QB and WR with picks 1 and 2 and not LT.
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Speedbump Charlie on full display, again. ::) This is vs the Panthers. The Rams game should be real interesting to watch..... ::)
https://youtu.be/XpXZ375dMh4
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The biggest fail on this team presently is not fixing that awful Oline and Speedbump Charlie in particular....it's more than just sacks on Foles, it's constant pressure and much of that coming from Leno's side....
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Makes no difference with no offensive line. True coaching/talent evaluation failure right there.....
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Chad Kelly
Josh Rosen
Anybody, please...
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Watson’s floor seemed to be NFL level franchise QB...therefore Bears all time great...
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The real problem was Watson was consensus #1 QB coming out. We got cute and went for Mitch. Watson is a good QB for a decent team. Of course any QB with our Oline will not prosper.
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Pace has identified two quarterbacks, may their names never be spoken again. Whatever 98% of the guys would have done...Pace's job is to not be wrong.
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The Bears haven't gone deep enough since late era Wannie. They draft offense poorly, never have a quarterback, always trying to play small ball, meanwhile the safeties creep closer and closer to the line of scrimmage.
Foles is standing back there taking hits...he's not skittish. Not athletic, but is the only Super Bowl MVP in the qb room.
I can't imagine what it is that Pace thought he saw in Mitch, after one season as a starter in college after not being able to beat out the guy the year before. We'll HE'LL LEARN ACCURACY. I think he liked all the yes sir no sir and thought that would equal coachability. And to TRADE UP for that...
Some GM's would have TRADED DOWN, picked up Mahomes and an additional first rounder, or just have gone with Carr who had started all four years and been a national champion in college.
Dang! Pace should have known that Mahomes would have been generational when 98% of the GMs would have chosen Trubisky or Watson. I would give you Carr had we known he was available for a 2. Sure.
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The Bears haven't gone deep enough since late era Wannie. They draft offense poorly, never have a quarterback, always trying to play small ball, meanwhile the safeties creep closer and closer to the line of scrimmage.
Foles is standing back there taking hits...he's not skittish. Not athletic, but is the only Super Bowl MVP in the qb room.
I can't imagine what it is that Pace thought he saw in Mitch, after one season as a starter in college after not being able to beat out the guy the year before. We'll HE'LL LEARN ACCURACY. I think he liked all the yes sir no sir and thought that would equal coachability. And to TRADE UP for that...
Some GM's would have TRADED DOWN, picked up Mahomes and an additional first rounder, or just have gone with Carr who had started all four years and been a national champion in college.
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I don't think the Bears go deep enough. Every week I see highlights of teams throwing bombs. Bears longest pass play is 37 yards and I think that was the catch and run that Allen Robinson broke off and scored on in Atlanta. Only one other pass play over 30 yards. Too much pressure on the offense to complete long drives - need more big pass plays.
Foles protection has generally been decent. He's played in 4 games and has been sacked 4 times. That's pretty good considering he has no threat of a run game to slow down the rush. The O-line can't run block out of a paper bag but they are OK pass blocking - of course we'll know more tonight.
They also need to get the ball more to Mooney. Teams know on 3rd downs the ball is going to Robinson. I'm suggesting maybe throw more of those balls to Mooney. He's averaging 3 catches a game....Robinson almost 7.
And Bears need to figure out a way to get Anthony Miller re-involved. He's too much of a talent to let him just be a decoy. Coach him up.
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I am still waiting on Foles to start connecting on some deep balls. That to me was one of the biggest differences between him and Trubisky. That, and the pocket presences. Foles is more aware in the pocket and is less likely to get sacked.
And I respect what A-Rob gives the offense but its time to throw more balls to Mooney. Let's get Miller back into the offense and keep getting the ball to Montgomery as a receiver.
3M strategy. And Kmet too. 2 catches is not enough.
Usually Foles is getting hit as he throws his deep ball, seems like he throws usually a slightly more catchable ball. Seems like Mooney is getting plenty of balls...I'm worried they are in the process of giving up on Robinson. Miller in the doghouse for not getting it.
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Let's not get carried away. He is a career backup that isn't much better if any than what he replaced.
He's not that great, I just think Mitch is horrible. Some guys evidently "see" the field and some guys don't. Foles is certainly capable of WTF Cutleresque interceptions
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I am still waiting on Foles to start connecting on some deep balls. That to me was one of the biggest differences between him and Trubisky. That, and the pocket presences. Foles is more aware in the pocket and is less likely to get sacked.
And I respect what A-Rob gives the offense but its time to throw more balls to Mooney. Let's get Miller back into the offense and keep getting the ball to Montgomery as a receiver.
3M strategy. And Kmet too. 2 catches is not enough.
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Having a QB that can see the field and recognize changing coverages and efforts to disguise coverages will help
Let's not get carried away. He is a career backup that isn't much better if any than what he replaced.
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There's a better chance this year for the Bears to beat the Pack, especially if the Bears D keeps getting turnovers, and the kicking situation continues to solidify. Having a QB that can see the field and recognize changing coverages and efforts to disguise coverages will help, if he is still upright at that point. I hope Mitch never needs to take another snap for the Bears... but when was the last season the Bears didn't start the backup?
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Neither have the Packers proved they can beat the Bears since they havent played each other this year.
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Avoid the Seahawks or Chiefs?
The bears have yet to prove they can beat the Packers in their division.
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He’s a douche. I wouldn’t want him for free.
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Unreliable and a bit of a headcase...
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Was just reading how the Eagles would like to trade Alshon Jeffrey but cannot because he has an ankle and foot injury. Gotta say Pace got it right when he let him go. I thought at the time it was bad move but he has been unreliable for the Eagles.
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What ever happened to Riley Ridley? Is he injured???
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I got a gas attack when I read this:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/21/new-2021-nfl-mock-draft-sends-bears-wr-qb-in-first-two-rounds/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Maybe this is a Thanksgiving prayer in disguise.
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I'm not comparing the Bears vs Chiefs I commented on the Bears vs Seahawks.
And your posts still don't mean as much.
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I get it but I still think its funny especially when they didnt just mention the Seachickens they also mentioned the Chiefs in the same breathe. Now your answer doesnt mean as much.
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I get it but our defense hasnt gotten back to 2018 level and our offense hasnt either which makes the Seahawk and Chief comment laughable
Let me spell it out for you:
Seattle offense is #8 Bears defense is #7
Bears offense is # 27 Seattle defense is #32
Now do you understand? I didn't say the Bears would beat the Seahawks I just said that their strengths play to ours and their weakness matches up to ours.
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Kyle long anyone?
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I get it but our defense hasnt gotten back to 2018 level and our offense hasnt either which makes the Seahawk and Chief comment laughable
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Actually Seahawks strength (offense) matches up with the Bears strength (defense) and their weakness (defense) match up with our weakness (offense).
But their offense as well as KCs is at whole another level...
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Had your laugh for the day?
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/21/chicago-bears-quarterback-nick-foles-built-for-chicago-tony-dungy/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
So, are the Bears real enough to make an impact in the NFC? Are they title contenders? I think so – if they avoid playing the Seahawks in the playoffs and the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. If they can avoid those two teams, they’ll have a heck of a chance to do something special this season.
Lots of luck with that. Dont see that happening.
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So have the Bears signed Spain ? Or are they waiting for another LB to sign on the practice squad ? One that can't tell the difference between real and not real. Maybe another kicker.
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Wonder if T'eo has anything left in the tank. And didn't we draft late round tackles/linemen?? One of them HAS to be better than the slug!
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Can he play LT?
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Bears had 9 or 10 TEs last year - this year they decided to collect kickers on the expanded rosters.
I wonder if they just IR Pinero indefinitely - can't replace Cairo now.
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Rams claimed Kai Forbath off our practice squad...I didn't even know we had him there...
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/20/la-rams-offense-presents-a-problem-for-bears-defense/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
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probably
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Right now I'd say Bears could be drafting Oline with pick #1 and #2, LT and RG.
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I think we need a LT and a LG. If Bars is hurt put him on IR. Then you can protect him for next year if they value him. But we cant compete without help.
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-cb-chicago-bears-mailbag-offensive-line-matt-nagy-20201021-zdquavvx7vdqrkpiddnfxjfc3u-story.html
Appears there are other Bears fans clamoring for Pace to make a move.
I liked Bars based on his play at LT during a preseason game last year. I thought he did quite well even though he wasn't going against front line talent. He appeared aggressive especially at the 2nd level.
I heard he had a shoulder issue but I don't remember him being on the injury report.
I'd like to see him get another shot. And I'm not the only that noticed his talent. The Patriots put a claim in for him last season.
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I think Bars actually settled down after he got warmed up, after he gave up that sack that is. Not sure if he is hurt, but man you cant leave Coward in there, Foles is going to get killed. Put Bars back or try someone, anyone else. And please do something about Leno. If you are going to hold Coward accountable for his putrid play, do the same to Leno.
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-cb-chicago-bears-mailbag-offensive-line-matt-nagy-20201021-zdquavvx7vdqrkpiddnfxjfc3u-story.html
Appears there are other Bears fans clamoring for Pace to make a move.
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Hey Dallas, I dont like to give up draft picks for players too. OTOH something needs to be done. And by the way arent you the guy saying Bars needed a shot at LG? How is that experiment going for you?
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Jets have any O-Linemen worth a shot - fire sale going on up there apparently
I don't like to give up draft choices but the Bears need to be buyers. Maybe they can find a LG. Bars was replaced this weekend with Coward. Could have been a shoulder issue or they wanted to try someone else. But Coward struggled against the Panthers.
Panthers were not a good run stopping defense and that was before they lost starting DT Kawann Short before the Bears' game. Bears still couldn't run.
Putting too much pressure on Foles, as well as Nagy, to come up with plays without a dependable running game.
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So Manti Teo is now a Bear...
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I saw they have a couple, but something tells me the Bear won't be the only ones going for them
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Jets have any O-Linemen worth a shot - fire sale going on up there apparently
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Hell a 5 win team can win that Division. Incredible !
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Man I’m glad we didn’t sign Andy Dalton
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From what I can tell from the oddsmakers, the Bears are the underdogs. That bodes well for a Bear victory. Of course just as soon as they seem to get their legs under them and the fans begin to think "Maybe this team is good enough" the fans tend to pull the rug out from under them and team beclowns itself..... We shall see....
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I'm thinking there really aren't many game ready OL FAs. Training camps were short with less players, so I think it may be a stretch to find a guy who is better than your backups right now. Big guys with no camp who are sitting at home aren't likely to be in shape right now. Lamar Miller, a rb, isn't even in shape enough to get off the practice squad almost a month after he signed. Any external help the bears can find will likely be a PS player from another team or a player who gets cut due to sucking. Bars or Coward is probably going to be the LG for the remainder of the year.
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Robert Schmitz bucs game breakdown:
https://youtu.be/LgR2a_gLGQQ
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My question would be does Larsen have any gas left in the tank? And NO I doubt he has what it takes. That would approach desperation IMHO
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Ted Larsen is available.
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But the point is they drafted a couple of OLmen and they arent ready for NFL competition. And its been bantered that the window for being superbowl contenders is short so that if you have ambitions of being a
superbowl contender it makes more sense to pick up a veteran OG with some gas still in his tank that might get them to the promised land.
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Maybe. Why sign/draft young guards if you have no plan to play them?
Bears need to find out what Bars can do. I think they already may know about Coward and then there's the two rookies, who may not be ready yet.
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I thought about that. Good point. However IMHO they still need a vet OG to replace Daniels.
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Bears are in trouble if Whitehair gets hurt as Daniels was also his backup. Bears might stick with Mustipher or go snooping around other team's practice squads. But they need a backup.
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/14/bears-place-lg-james-daniels-on-ir-promote-ol-sam-mustipher-to-active-roster/
I am surprised at this move. "emergency center?" That doesnt make sense.
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Who comes in if Roquan or Trevathan gets injured? Exactly. That's why they are trying out other ILBs.
As for the Panthers, the game will be all about stopping Bridgewater and the Panthers offense. Panthers defense is not very good against the run, and they don't have a strong pass rush. In fact, a couple of their pass rushers are banged up.
Bears got to outscore Bridgewater - he's a very good QB.
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I wonder if they are bringing in LBs to replace Trevethan???
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Ditka once said it is nearly impossible to play well in all 3 phases every week - or something like that...
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Well Castillo is self-quarantining this week so there is no"hands on" work with this sub-par Oline from him. To quote pretty much any Star Wars Episode 4-6 character "I got a bad feeling about this" and poor Nick Foles after he gets planted for the Nth time on the grass. Mitch better be ready (god help us all :D).....
This is a bellweather game for the Bears. They seem underwhelm more often than not in recent years after a big win. A very loseable game for the these Bears, and I think a loss would be worse for their Psyche than the mark in the "L" column....
Change the narrative Bears. Go out and hit on all cylinders for 4 quarters for a change, please. But that may be too much to ask for, so a win will do nicely..... :D
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Mustipher comes up from the PS to take Daniels spot and act as the emergency C. He was an ok starter at ND, but I never thought he'd have a NFL career.
Bears also worked out three mlbs. Teo and Buchanan are the two I'd heard of before. It would be cool to see Teo as a bear, but Buchannon is a better fit imo.
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If it's going to happen, now is probably the best time outside never or offseason...or perhaps the bye....
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Bears had a PS player test positive today...no further details yet...
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His comments the other day after the game give me reasons to be concerned about whether Nagy is ever going to get "it"....
1. He apparently keeps his head too much in his playsheet and not on the field seeing the flow of the game. He wants his team to be "freaking" detailed but isn't it up to to the coaches to ensure that the players do that (and if not bench em ?)- Looking at you Leno......
2. He wants to give the ball more to Patterson. I like the kid. Great returner, good change of pace. But good god man, Montgomery is a much more instinctive, lower of gravity runner that needs to be fed the ball. He seems to get stronger the more he plays. If he can't see that over the brim of his sun visor and play sheet, then he never will and the Bears will never run the ball with consistency.....
If this team comes out flat vs the Panthers, then we know he is the coach that he is......
Bears should by all rights smoke the Panthers, but this team never does that to anyone. They play down (up to) the level of their opponent. They are underachieving IMHO and tha's on COACHING.....
BTW I still think the season will be attenuated. COVID fears and just generic fear. Shame that the country that could decisively help win WW2 and put the man on the moon now cowers in fear of a virus that is (according to CDC death statistics) a very bad flu.......
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Amazing stat. Now I am on record we are not Super Bowl bound with this coaching staff.
Josh Frydman
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Oct 9
Stat ESPN just showed: This is the second year the Bears have come back from 10+ down to win in 3 of their first 5 games to start a season. The other time? 1985.
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The Tape Never Lies guy interview, he says some interesting stuff. Thinks Nagy's continuing to start Leno demoralizes the rest of the team.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueKBZYyx6EU
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Tampa's front 7 appears more stout than the Colts'.
Bucs have lots of depth at WR, TE and HB despite injuries...and then there's the GOAT.
Only hope is if our pass rushers make life hell for Brady...
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Leno....how can they week after week watch this clown and allow him back on the field?? BENCH THE GUY!!!!! FOR ANYONE!!! He is NOT getting the job done, AT ALL! >:(
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This is funny but so Bears:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/06/2021-nfl-draft-bears-should-keep-a-close-eye-on-these-five-quarterback-prospects/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline
Pace will probably trade up for the NDS QB.
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Tampa Bay - 24
bear - 13
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How about staying away from the hard cider?
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How about be Reid!
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Offense plays like they did last week, this game will be a horrible blowout.......
Defense will lose heart. Maybe someone should tell Nagy "Be You isn't working. How about NOT Be You !"
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Or the two 7th round big guys. Until Leno is benched, I have zero faith in the Bears or Nagy. Any bets on how they do tonight against the SECOND ranked D? My guess is whoever lines up against Leno is already drooling!!!!
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LMAO, just 30 seconds in...
Spriggs, Bars, hell even Coward...help!
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Leno is just a shitshow...week after week...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Zx4_wRUv0
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Our entire receiving corps can't all be covered by cornerbacks and safeties. We need to get the ball downfield to Montgomery and one of our TEs (probably not old man Graham) that is being covered by a linebacker.
On Montgomery's 4th down pass interference called he was covered by a DB not a linebacker.
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Our RB’s are closely covered by the defense so those swing passes haven’t worked out.
In today’s NFL you have to establish the deep passing threat to have things open underneath.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again- whoever the scout(s) that are doing TE evaluations Pace should've been fired as incompetents years ago. Probably some McCaskey relative or Pace prodigy.....
Kmet was a good pick unlike Shaheen who didn't have the football experience at a major college level. Nagy just needs to get him more involved in the offense. Right now the balls are going to Robinson, Miller, Graham and Mooney.
Bears also need to incorporate Montgomery into the passing game more.
It kills me to see opposing teams TEs and HBs running away from our linebackers. Why can't we do that?
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Bray and Foles are buds. I read they walked to practice together every single day. Whatever.
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cat is out of the bag
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/05/chicago-bears-quarterback-tyler-bray-promoted-active-roster-for-nick-foles-week-4/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
No biggie
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And then Trey Burton came out and remembered how to play - for the Colts
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I've said it before and I'll say it again- whoever the scout(s) that are doing TE evaluations Pace should've been fired as incompetents years ago. Probably some McCaskey relative or Pace prodigy.....
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Ouch:
It’s worth noting that most rookie tight ends don’t produce in Year 1, but through their first four career games, both Kmet and Adam Shaheen have the same amount of catches (one). I’m not saying Kmet is Shaheen because it’s far too early to make that type of judgement. What I am saying is that there was plenty of Week 1-ready talent on the board when the team took Kmet and it doesn’t look great to compare even for as early as it still is.
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I was thinking that as well. With this being 2020 and the crazy shit going on nothing is out of the question.
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There is no way Trubisky is demoted to 3rd string . Maybe they wanted to protect another 4 without moving them to the roster, which limits the team to 3 moves for each player from PS to active roster.
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That isn't it. He was already designated their protected player on the practice squad.
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That’s probably all it is...keeping the Pats from claiming him off the taxi squad...
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Maybe the Patriots need a backup QB since Cam will be out a game or two.
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Maybe an injury we dont know about
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This is weird. Does this mean Trubisky is getting traded?
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/10/03/bears-add-qb-tyler-bray-to-active-roster/
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And the game has been flexed to the 2nd game instad of noon Chicago time
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Remember, this is Nagy we're talking about..
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According to those highlights he should be playing every down. Actually what little I have seen of him as a Bear, he has always done pretty good. Lets give the kid a chance.
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Ryan Nall, I hope he gets some playing time just to see if he's any good. These highlights show he's a decent receiver out of the backfield:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onPWdt58lvE
Saw a couple of his Oregon State games.
He has skills, not sure why he hasn’t been given a chance.
Not having a preseason hurt
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Ryan Nall, I hope he gets some playing time just to see if he's any good. These highlights show he's a decent receiver out of the backfield:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onPWdt58lvE
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Stats can be deceiving. The Colts have beaten teams with a combined record of 0-7. And they lost to the Jaguars who only had that game as their only win. Not that the Bears have had a tough schedule either.
Colts certainly have some talent on both sides and I'd bet the Bears play up to their talent.
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It's going to be a very difficult game.
A first rate OL and RB against our inability to stop the run. (at least the plays over our right defensive end.)
A top 3 defense against our struggling offense with Foles only getting this week of practice.
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Bears expected to sign Lamar Miller to practice squad:
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgwRws_wj379Q_nmXSF4AaABCQ
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I think Kelly is really good. He must be a complete dick, a clubhouse cancer.
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Kelly is better.
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Kizer certainly isnt
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Kelly and Kizer are FAs today. But they probably are not good as Bray so never mind...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4hzZUbqLLs
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/09/25/chicago-bears-cordarrelle-patterson-recruiting-damon-harrison/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Doesnt look like Snacks has made up his mind in advance.
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If Seattle wants him, he’d be a fool not to go there.
They are a serious SB contender.
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Found this interesting Dallas:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/09/24/chicago-bears-interested-defensive-tackle-damon-harrison/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
Maybe thats the addition we need to be a legitimate contender
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I've never been a fan of our 4th TE (Holtz) or our 5th TE (Saubert). We didn't need a 5th TE but the Bears need to find a FB or a 4th TE that can block more consistently.
Recall the announcers of the Detroit game saying that AP runs a lot better with a lead FB. Maybe Bears Montgomery would benefit too.
Nail is a big half back - I'm not sure he has the skills or blocking experience of a true FB. If he's smart he'd work on that.
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I thought we had one. Nall?
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After watching tape never lies....man do we need a fullback.
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The might have signed him because of Jenkins who is on the injury report and Mack is again questionable. Good news Quinn is not listed.
Bears are pretty healthy - Falcons are beat up especially their 2 starting OTs and their top pass rusher.
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At least he can stand there so they have to run around him
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Can he play LT as well?
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Bears sign 6’7. 350lb nose tackle from the Steelers.
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Sadly, this will become more common as life, which gives so much at its start, takes things away.......
RIP Kansas Comet.
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RIP Gayle Sayers
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftSAHH4DBhI
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Thats sad. I met him one time. He was a fine gentleman and a great Bear.
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Damn...RIP #40
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Gayle Sayers has died. RIP, #40, a true Bear.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR5TAuma4G8
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Fuller 2 pass defended in 1 series
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Think he was shielded by the CB a bit, but that was a perfect throw, and Ant should have had it...
Good Mitch so far...which is nice...
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Good start! 10-0 Bears.
Quinn makes his presence known causing the fumble.
Miller should of had the TD.
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Strip sack Quinn
Miller can’t make TD catch on a perfect throw
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Can't complain about that drive. Mitch made two great throws.
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Cohen contract completed and talks with Robinson resumed.
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Give him 16 and let him reach 18 with incentive bonuses that he should be able to reach as long as he continues to perform as he currently is or better.
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Robinson is making $15mil this year.
Reports are the offer is 16 and he wants 18
If so and considering he’s probably our best player his demand is not that unreasonable.
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Frankly I am shocked that the Bears are looking to extend Cohen too. I just assumed he was gone after this year. Especially after all the possible cap casualties next year, starting tackles, etc. IMO they should just focus on the ARob extension...
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Yeah how many times was Leno laying on the ground because he fell down. I like the walrus description Draft Dr Phil gave him. He is the weak link for sure.
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Of course he always does when you dont like him
nothing to do with liking, has to do with the tape, which never lies.
you should watch the tape review before commenting.
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Of course he always does when you dont like him
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Ifedi played well.
but Leno still sucks!
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The tape never lies moved to his own YouTube channel.
https://youtu.be/-eoX82M6k6s
Ifedi played well.
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Chump change in today's NFL unless they let 'lil Mikey back at it, in between his campaigning for Biden. See who the Bear "expert" is on nbc Chicago ? Wanny.
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Apparently the Bears and Robinson are only about $2 mil apart. They better get this done.
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Durkin started his own all22 bears channel too:
https://youtu.be/JClo56adkuk
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The tape never lies moved to his own YouTube channel.
https://youtu.be/-eoX82M6k6s
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LOL yeah Ginn needs a day off.
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Teams are raiding our practice squad. Eagles after giving up 8 sacks last week snatched vet guard Jamon Brown. Cowboys got UFA LBer Rashad Smith. Abdullah Anderson was released from the practice squad to make room for Mack's brother LeDarious.
As for the injury report: Quinn and Mack were limited but Graham and Ginn DNP (veteran's day off).
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Most likely they are haggling over the $.
Bears have spent a lot of cash on free agents the last few years, primarily due having to fill holes because of trading high draft picks and not hitting on the high draft picks they kept.
They have $9.5M in cap space but they are unsettled at QB. They are going to try out Trubisky and may be setting aside money for him. Foles deal hurts them this year and next...relief maybe in 2022.
It sucks that the Bears can't afford their top receiver. The Packers have theirs. The Vikings had 2 until this season. And the Lions shelled out some bucks for Marvin Jones, but are currently enjoying Galladay's rookie deal.
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I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I'd take a hard pass on Robinson at over 20 million per year. I think wr is the most habitually overpaid position in the NFL (along with CB). Robinson isn't dynamic with the ball in his hands and he doesn't have that elite speed that puts pressure on defenses. He's a great player, top 20 wr easy. I'd love for him to stay a bear, but high teens for 3 years would be as far as I'd go. Especially with the cap level next year being so uncertain.
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So it's true? The Bears are not going to offer a long term deal to A-Rob? And he's on the block?
Wow, I guess Miller's 4th quarter, Wims TD catch and Mooney's 3 catches must have signaled that A-Rob is A-dios.
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More and more I'm beginning to believe this Pace guy was nothing more than Peyton's personnel assistant. Now seeing where they're not extending #12, he's pissed, and N.E. are stiffing around, Pace will probably trade him for a punter on the N.E. squad straight up.
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I think I need to call BS:
The Chicago Bears went into the 2020 offseason searching for a quarterback to push – or replace – starter Mitchell Trubisky after the former second overall pick struggled in his third season in the NFL. While they ultimately settled on trading for Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback Nick Foles, they nearly found a future Hall of Fame player to take the job outright.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Tom Brady, who signed with the team this offseason after a legendary career in New England, reportedly was close to signing with the Bears this spring, according to sports talk host Dan Patrick.
Reporting on his own radio show, Patrick revealed the Bears were on the shortlist of teams Brady was looking to sign with.
“Did you know that the Bears were on the final, final list of teams for Tom Brady?” Patrick asked his producer.
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The former NBC Football Night in America host continued:
“The final list that Brady was looking at, the Chargers, the Bears, and the Buccaneers. I was told this yesterday. I said ‘wait a minute, the Bears?’ [Source] said yes. Brady was considering the Bears, the Chargers were a long shot because of the west coast…the fact that he was considering the Bears, Chicago at least – because he wanted to be [close] in proximity to New York where his son is…but ended up taking Tampa Bay.”
Ever since rumors began circulating regarding Brady’s unhappiness in New England and his impending free agency drawing closer and closer, many pegged the Bears as a popular choice for the six-time Super Bowl winner.
When free agency finally began, the Bears were never mentioned as a destination for Brady. It’s unclear how much interest the Bears had or how hard they pushed to land him. General manager Ryan Pace reportedly was working to sign free agent quarterback Teddy Bridgewater before he chose to sign in Carolina. Brady ultimately winds up choosing Tampa Bay and the Bears make a trade for Foles to push Trubisky instead of signing one of the greatest of all time to replace him.
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Might cut Pinero or IR him for the rest of the season.
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These new PS rules are permitting Bears to not keep a kicker on the 53 man. They can bring back Santos 3 times from the PS before he has to be released. And it so happens that Piniero's IR stint is the same number of games: 3.
If Piniero is good to go in 3 weeks it may all work out. Just go to hope Santos can be efficient for the first 3 games.
But what if Santos is better than efficient?
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The Pineiro move makes room for Edwards.
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Piñeiro on 3 wk IR. Santos will kick.
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Bears signed Mario Edwards Jr right? Why isn't he on the roster? Somebody will have to go.
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And if I see even one disrespectful thing I will definitely turn the TV to some better entertainment. And I know I wont watch one NBA game either.
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I think they all know that all their support money goes directly to the DNC. Not a doubt here
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One more thing. Ratings will be way off this season, they'll blame it on covid..
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I know it's politics, but I'm not happy with the way the Bears handled the Urlacher tweet. I wish they (the Bears) just didn't say anything. I quit paying for the ticket a few years ago. I did have the red zone, but just recently canceled that. I have been listening to a radio feed (wbbm) but don't think 'll even do that. I love the Cubs and love watching them, but haven't tuned into a single game this season.. Fukk sports!! And for sure fukk the NBA..
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I'll watch on 9/13 and vote on 11/3.
BLM has evolved into something more than it once was. I doubt all the players understand that.
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I will watch and then if they do something stupid like kneel during the anthem I will write letters or e-mail everyone who runs an advertisement during the game. Hit the advertisers hard for supporting communists, drug users and child rapists. That will help more then just not watching. Or do both.
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I'm just not gonna watch it, at least the first game. Not real happy AT ALL with how their doing things in sports nowadays....
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Hard to believe we will be watching the Bears play against the Lions a week from today. What a year...
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Interesting about Pierce:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/9/6/21425270/bears-sign-qb-tyler-bray-rb-artavis-pierce-14-others-to-practice-squad
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Well I had read Tolliver was not particularly impressive in camp but I’m surprised.
The Raiders cut 2 second round pick corners and the Eagles 2 guys who played a lot.
Maybe they think there’s better options out there.
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the Toliver cut is nuts, they must really like 5'8 corners.
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Rookie seventh-round pick Arlington Hambright makes the team. Good for him.
5 TEs? Why?
I guess Kindle is our starting CB unless Jaylon Johnson has recovered from that shoulder. Unless they are planning on starting Skrine at RCB, then bring in someone else with the nickel package.
But as well all know this 53 man roster may not be the same next weekend.
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The real shocking cut to me was Tolliver. Three of the five CBs have no NFL experience. (I don't remember if Shelley got in last year). I have to think they have a veteran they want to bring in.
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Pierce cut
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I've seen a couple mock rosters and they don't vary that much. I think 5 corners is kind of light unless Bears think Skrine and Vildoor project to CB instead of being pure nickel backs. I added Denmark but that's probably not going to happen as they'll again stash him on the PS with no game film available to the rest of the league.
Most mocks have 5 TEs making the roster - this is the first with Horsted - most have Saubert. I don't know why the Bears need 5, but I prefer Horsted. 3 of the other 4 should be able to block.
As for Pierce, he was passed up by all 32 teams on draft day. He chose the Bears for obvious reasons. I just don't know if any NFL team would sign him off the PS to their active roster. There is no preseason game film this year. So not likely. If a team does, the Bears can move him up and drop someone else down.
I'd like to see both Nall and Pierce get carries against Detroit. Pierce has more straight ahead speed, but Nall has more size, and as Griz pointed out more experience in the Bears system. Surprisingly, Nall is actually quicker and has virtually the same speed over the first 10 and first 20 yards. But all that is meaningless - got to see them between the white lines in a real game.
Maybe next week?
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And just for grins and giggles:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/09/03/chicago-bears-post-training-camp-53-man-roster-projection/
I dont play the guessing game. The real 53 comes tomorrow.
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My bad! I get fined by the commissioner.
Maybe we let Nall and Pierce flip a coin or put Josh Woods on the PS for a week or 2 and bring him back after Montgomery returns. Then Nall and Pierce flip the coin.
And you should be. haha. Just for my 2 cents worth......I dont want to see Pierce exposed to waivers. I think he is a diamond keeper to develop.
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I think it will be Nall. 3 years with the team, should know the blocking assignments, etc. Montgomery, I doubt will be 100% for Detroit.
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My bad! I get fined by the commissioner.
Maybe we let Nall and Pierce flip a coin or put Josh Woods on the PS for a week or 2 and bring him back after Montgomery returns. Then Nall and Pierce flip the coin.
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Right now I think they’re going to keep both santis and Pinero until Pinero recovers
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Well, yeah...I was just saying you’re one over...
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I think there's no debate at those 3 spots.
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That’s 51...kicker, punter, and long snapper will be 54...
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My annual attempt at a 53 man roster - haven't got one right yet:
Quarterbacks (2): Mitch Trubisky, Nick Foles
Running backs (5) David Montgomery, Tarik Cohen, Cordarrelle Patterson, Ryan Nall, Artavis Pierce
Wideouts (6): Allen Robinson, Anthony Miller, Ted Ginn Jr., Riley Ridley, Darnell Mooney, Javon Wims
O-line (8): Charles Leno, James Daniels, Cody Whitehair, Germain Ifedi, Bobby Massie, Jason Spriggs, Rashaad Coward, Alex Bars
TE (4): Jimmy Graham, Cole Kmet, Demetrius Harris, J.P. Holtz
Don't need Saubert as 5th = let's see what Pierce and Nall can do filling in for Montgomery - loser goes to PS when Montgomery returns and Saubert returns I guess (I like Horsted better)
D-line (6): Defensive line (5): Akiem Hicks, Bilal Nichols, Roy Robertson-Harris, John Jenkins, Brent Urban
OLB(5) : Khalil Mack, Robert Quinn, Barkevious Mingo, Isaiah Irving;, Trevis Gipson
ILB(4): Danny Trevathan, Roquan Smith, Joel Iyiegbuniwe, Josh Woods
CB (6): Kyle Fuller, Buster Skrine, Jaylon Johnson, Kevin Toliver, Kindle Vildor, Stephen Denmark
S(5): Eddie Jackson, Deon Bush, Tashaun Gipson, Sherrick McManis, DeAndre Houston-Carson
Bears will need to add Abdullah Anderson at least until Hicks is full go - but then who sits for a week or so? Maybe 6th corner?
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Sad thing is, I bet you can count on one hand the players who actually "know" the organization's they are supporting (BLM) and the ones they are not (police)... talk about the blind leading the clueless......
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Yeah, saw that. If I see it once its the last time I watch any NFL.
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Saw where Goodell is saying the nfl will support protesting players. Good for them, and I wish them nothing but the best, but I ain't watching any of it.
Difference between you and I. I wish them anything but the best.. They can all go to he11! Goodell is the worst thing to happen to the NFL. And the protesting players can all go fukk themselves!
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And THATS ALL FOLKS!!!
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I guess this means they’ll televise the national anthem now.
Just a bunch of talk and pandering with few willing to actually do anything.
WR Kenny Stills formed a small group of players who met with local police to discuss how to improve behavior on both sides.
How many other similar stories have their been?
I haven’t seen any.
People just talk to make themselves feel better.
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Saw where Goodell is saying the nfl will support protesting players. Good for them, and I wish them nothing but the best, but I ain't watching any of it.
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https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/09/bears-wont-pursue-leonard-fournette
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the guys reporting on the practices have been mentioning that Saubert has stood out and that Kmet and Graham have really looked good.
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I only have one disagreement.
Do the Bears really need 5 TEs? Why do we need Saubert? Graham is a receiver. Kmet and Harris are both. Holtz is more of a blocker. I'd almost advocate Horsted over Saubert.
I'd replace Saubert's roster spot with d-lineman Abdullah. D-lineman get tired especially when rushing the passer. Adding Abdullah gives the Bears 3 backups for 3 starters.
I'd also consider finding a spot for Trevon McSwain, but I haven't seen him play so I can't really say.
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Well here is the Suntimes answer:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/9/1/21409516/bears-training-camp-2020-who-makes-roster-cut-day-saturday-matt-nagy-ryan-pace-53-man-practice-squad
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Sounds logical.
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The Bears have about $17mil in cap space.
There are always reports on extending Alan Robinson but there are other options to look at too.
I guess when the roster cuts come we’ll find out.
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I agree, Amukamora for some depth. Definitely not starter..
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Or Tolliver. If Tolliver and Johnson can stay healthy then the Bears can develop guys like Denmark and Kindle. But if those 2 are not ready then Prince "might" be an option. Remember there are other free agents and practice squad players that may be younger than the aging Amukamora.
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Bringing Prince back as depth wouldn't be a terrible idea if he doesn't find a better option. We're thin and he knows our schemes. I would not have him starting ahead of a healthy Jaylon though.
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Haha haha. Maybe the Bears were smarter than we think.
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Someone signed Logan Ryan for 7.5mil.
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Prince may find a team with a season ending injury at CB and desperate for a starter. He's 31 years old and lost a step.
They call those guys retired.
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Hmmmm the Raiders released Prince Amakamura.
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better sign somebody up, the side to side guy isn't all that.
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Reportedly the Jags could not get any draft pick for Fournette.
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Derrius Guice is out there but I don't see anyone touching him with a 20' pole.
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Given Montgomery's injury and lack of productive consistency, Bears have to at least consider Leonard Fournette. According to ESPN, with Jax releasing him, it only costs 4.17 mil to add him.
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Reports...from the media. That's all we got.
Ledarius Mack may have a shot though I haven't seen him play.
Look at his competition for backup OLB: Barkevious Mingo, the rookie 5th rounder Gipson, and 2 FAs Vaughters and Irving.
Probably PS.
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Sounds like Fuller is having the best camp.
QB’s don’t seem to have impressed
Good reports on Mooney, Kmet, Gipson and Mack jr.
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Why are they bringing in linebackers to play running back?
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Ian Rapoport is reporting that David Montgomery will miss 2-4 weeks...making him questionable at best for the Detroit game...
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Free agent Alec Ogletree worked out for the Bears.
It's the first we've heard on Ogletree since his February release. Ogletree never lived up to his Giants contract, but it's surprising there hasn't been more interest him. 28-year-old Ogletree has started every game he's appeared in since entering the league in 2013. Chicago also worked out free agents Devante Bond and Gabe Sewell.
Related: Chicago Bears
Source: Sports Illustrated
Aug 28, 2020, 5:15 PM ET
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It is all about the money
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I speculate if there will be a season at all. Doesn't appear to be one for the NBA. Which for me is just fine. I'm sure it will be fine for the players as well......until the money runs out in about
2 weeks.
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I would speculate it’s not likely he will be ready for the opener and longer.
Curious to see if they sign someone.
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I pulled a muscle in the shower the other day
(about 20 times)
You are very patriotic, are you a Minute Man?
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I've not stayed in a Holiday Inn Express recently, but I have torn my ACL. Even though the it appeared that Montgomery was in intense pain which is common with an ACL tear, the fact that he tried to jump up and walk it off is not common. Most guys are on their backs writhing in pain for quite a while after an ACL, not hopping around.
Also, why would Nagy misinform Bears fans? Although some think Nagy doesn't know his a$$ from a hole in the ground, I think he knows the difference between a knee and a groin.
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I pulled a muscle in the shower the other day
(about 20 times)
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Looks like a knee to me. ACL maybe. I have pulled my groin before, and dont ever remember hopping on one leg and not putting any pressure on the other. I may not be as smart as some of you all, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. ;)
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Looks like ILB might make the roster.
Jaylon Johnson getting praises.
I swear I’ve had it with the media. One report he’s limited still recovering another says he’s breaking up passes
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Yes, Please doc, tell us what it is?
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Dr. Boogie
What does it look like?
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Doesnt look like a groin:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1298673555333427207
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Why did Montgomery give up eating red meat???????????? Oh the inhumanity of it all
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strained groin, reportedly...maybe a bullet dodged?
Devonta Freeman needs to be on speed dial if not...
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Montgomery carted off, non contact injury...
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Long time since you posted here.
Yeah, I'm a busy guy these days. But, it's football/fantasy draft season so...
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Robert Quinn, Anthony Miller, Jaylon Johnson, Spriggs and Akeem Hicks not in full practice lately with undisclosed injuries.
Spriggs is a knee but they haven't said how serious. Still no full hitting in any practice.
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Tolliver was a 5-star prospect. He dropped to UDFA due to red flags on his makeup.
The fact that Tolliver has stuck to this point tells me he's cleaned his act up enough to be welcome on the roster. His talent has never been much of a question mark.
It's always been about whether he was coachable.
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/8/2/17641152/chicago-bears-udfa-breakdown-kevin-toliver-2018-nfl-draft-cornerback-lsu
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Long time since you posted here.
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Tolliver wouldn't have lasted through two different defensive coaches if he wasn't coachable.
At this point it's all about talent. His play in college and a few starts his last couple years don't tell a whole lot.
We'll begin to find out in a couple weeks.
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Tolliver was a 5-star prospect. He dropped to UDFA due to red flags on his makeup.
The fact that Tolliver has stuck to this point tells me he's cleaned his act up enough to be welcome on the roster. His talent has never been much of a question mark.
It's always been about whether he was coachable.
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2018/8/2/17641152/chicago-bears-udfa-breakdown-kevin-toliver-2018-nfl-draft-cornerback-lsu
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Kyle Fuller suspended two-games - NFL substance abuse violation policy
(Oops - not ours - the Seahawks Kyle Fuller)
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/21/bears-injury-report-dt-akiem-hicks-sat-out-with-quad-te-darion-clark-done-for-year/?fbclid=IwAR03-XKhGhtx9PEG13KQ6g4eeRNhA2qvUKplHpMmPhcReI54aXj_h04sSVQ
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Didnt Tolliver blanket cover Amari Cooper and one other A+ WR who escapes me right now, maybe from GB? He looked good when given the chance.
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Honestly, I've watched Tolliver closely & he looks like a competent CB to me. Even when his man catches a pass he's right there in close coverage.
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Here's a couple of available FA corners: Logan Ryan is the youngest the rest are 30 and over and coming off injuries: Aquib Talib, Dre Kirpatrick and Trumaine Johnson.
I don't see why Tolliver or Johnson can't play corner. Plus rookie Kindle and last year's 7th rounder Stephen Denmark are also available depth.
Without preseason we really don't know what any of these guys are really capable of.
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No one has said Johnson or Tolliver can’t play.
The media has never dug for the story on Johnson s shoulder health and of course the team isn’t talking.
I expected him to start but with the start of camp I hear things like “not fully healed” and “limited in camp.”
It’s not clear if or when he may be ready.
If he’s not that leaves Tolliver so the coaches will need to decide further into camp.
My guess is guys like Logan Ryan and Truman Johnson will hold out for starting gigs and maybe not sign until the last week. Takin will likely want big money.
It wouldn’t bother me if the Bears were a player in Ryan or Johnson as plug and play then see if Jaylon can replace them later into the season.
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Here's a couple of available FA corners: Logan Ryan is the youngest the rest are 30 and over and coming off injuries: Aquib Talib, Dre Kirpatrick and Trumaine Johnson.
I don't see why Tolliver or Johnson can't play corner. Plus rookie Kindle and last year's 7th rounder Stephen Denmark are also available depth.
Without preseason we really don't know what any of these guys are really capable of.
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Aside from a still healing Johnson and an inexperienced Tolliver the options get pretty scary.
Maybe they’ll sign an aging veteran if Johnson won’t be ready.
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Bears may have elevated Burns to first team to better evaluate him. Regardless, he's gone.
Bears have other options on the roster besides the rookie and Tolliver. I mentioned a couple of names the other day. There was an article that suggested Skrine had some corner experience with previous teams.
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https://www.raiders.com/news/raiders-sign-cornerback-prince-amukamara
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Like any team, depth is a concern. We are already light at dline with Goldman opting out. God forbid if we lose Fuller at CB! Who is on the street that is available? Did Prince sign with another team?
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Thank God he wont be our RCB. He was horrible in Pittsburgh and you know it and cant sugar coat it.
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You should agree with all of it - it's the truth.
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What I agree with is the last statement, "you can't have enough corners on a team.
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I don't care that Burns was not starting at Pittsburgh. And it also doesn't matter that Burns was a 1st round draft pick either.
But the Bears coaches apparently saw enough of him during the practices to elevate him to first team, above Tolliver and the 2nd rounder Johnson.
Is it a great loss? Probably not since the Bears have a little bit of depth at CB, but he might have been our starting RCB and you can't have enough corners on a team.
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Well just to add my 2 cents worth. First of all Burns lost favor in Pittsburgh because he couldnt cover. He ended up being a special teamer. I wasnt happy with the signing. I thought they were just getting a special
teamer and not a bonifide CB starter. Then he puts on the pads for the 1st time as a Bear and tears up his ACL. IMHO no great loss. Next man up.
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The injury was unfortunate for Burns and the Bears. No crass comments required. I'll leave it at that.
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What's that supposed to mean?
Looks like a battle between the rookie and Tolliver. And the other rookie Kindle Vildor is a tad bit undersized and not very agile but he's strong and fast. He might compete for playing time and make the 53 man roster. And not much about Stephen Denmark.
The media spends most of their time spouting off stories like Trubisky completing a pass to Graham...without a pass rush.
But there are plenty of battles going on for spots on the team and not much in depth coverage.
So what do you think it means?
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/18/chicago-bears-training-camp-first-padded-practice-takeaways-2020/5/
So Burns got work with the first unit and tore his ACL. Shows you what he was worth. Nada.
What's that supposed to mean?
Looks like a battle between the rookie and Tolliver. And the other rookie Kindle Vildor is a tad bit undersized and not very agile but he's strong and fast. He might compete for playing time and make the 53 man roster. And not much about Stephen Denmark.
The media spends most of their time spouting off stories like Trubisky completing a pass to Graham...without a pass rush.
But there are plenty of battles going on for spots on the team and not much in depth coverage.
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Lets hope this isn't the intro for the typical Bears clown show.
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/18/chicago-bears-camp-cornerback-artie-burns-left-tuesdays-practice-with-left-knee-injury/
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/18/chicago-bears-training-camp-first-padded-practice-takeaways-2020/5/
So Burns got work with the first unit and tore his ACL. Shows you what he was worth. Nada.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k403AlPhscA
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The decision to let Frazier was not thought out during the planning sessions prior to the Super Bowl. The Bears coaches and Frazier got caught up in the euphoria of their Super Bowl slaughter and made a decision that most would not even second guess. I get it.
My point is that the Bears have plenty of time to evaluate letting Jackson play offense. Is he that much of a talent at WR? Did Saban ever play him at WR?
The Bears got Jackson in the 4th round because he had a leg injury his senior year that ended his season early. And how did he get the leg injury?
He was returning a punt.
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davep
Yeah, Ted Williams had balls. Got it. He risked a statistical notation in the record books by taking those extra swings not his career.
During his rookie season Walter Payton led the NFL in kick off returns while having a pretty mediocre year running the ball.
The next couple of years he had 2 total KO returns and was done returning kicks as he established himself as one of the top runners in the league. Was he living his life in fear by not returning kicks?
No - I'm sure he would have done it, but the coaches/GM determined that they shouldn't risk such a talent returning kicks.
Why risk one of the top free safeties in the league to other safeties and linebackers taking shots at his legs?
I totally agree. If I were the coach, I would never have allowed it. It was a foolish risk to allow Frasier to take.
However, the risk of Payton hurting himself returning kick offs a dozen times a year for a dozen years is quite a bit higher than Frasier hurting himself on one single kickoff return.
As I said, if I were the coach, I would not have allowed it, but I would like to think that if I were Frasier, I would have done it if allowed.
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FWIW
Bears QB Competition: Nick Foles gets slight edge over Mitch Trubisky on Day 1 (https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-qb-competition-nick-foles-gets-slight-edge-over-mitch-trubisky-day-1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHM-xlO0cfQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwHntknKmBo&feature=emb_logo
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davep
Yeah, Ted Williams had balls. Got it. He risked a statistical notation in the record books by taking those extra swings not his career.
During his rookie season Walter Payton led the NFL in kick off returns while having a pretty mediocre year running the ball.
The next couple of years he had 2 total KO returns and was done returning kicks as he established himself as one of the top runners in the league. Was he living his life in fear by not returning kicks?
No - I'm sure he would have done it, but the coaches/GM determined that they shouldn't risk such a talent returning kicks.
Why risk one of the top free safeties in the league to other safeties and linebackers taking shots at his legs?
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https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/mitch-trubisky-connects-strike-jimmy-graham-bears-training-camp-video?fbclid=IwAR0aFheAafJrDw7YKC9ltTT0OR9Sx_m1IOcy7IVT3qTnemKZY7gBA4BLxX0
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Les took his chance. And it cost him his playing career (and the Bears a good player). But it also gave him the ability to say he returned a kickoff in a Superbowl (not to mention helped win in a dominating fashion that will live as long as the NFL is still around).
Took his chance - ended his career. No bigee. You know he still would have that Super Bowls memory and could have contributed to another one if he wasn't crippled.
Would you say the same if Jackson tore a tendon or broke a bone when some strong safety tee'd off on Jackson after a catch?
Let the Bears young receivers focus on playing WR and let Jackson focus on playing free safety.
One of the baseball players I admire the most was Ted Williams, the last player to hit .400 in the majors.
He went into the last day of the season with a BA of .39955. His manager told him that he could sit out the final double header if he wanted to, and everyone would consider his BA to be rounded up to .400.
Ted refused. He merely said "either I hit .400 or I don't.
In his first at bat for the double header, he hit a single, raising his BA to .400. Again, his manager told him that he could sit out the rest of the two meaningless games if he wished, but once again, he said "either I hit .400 or I don't.
He went on the get several more hits on the day (he played all of both games) and ended the year with a BA of .407.
No one else has ever reached .400 for a season. He could have sat out the last few at bats and still held the record, but it was something he wanted to do.
Bad things sometimes happen to good people. But I have to admire those who refuse to live their life in fear.
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Where Jackson made that game cinching play vs the Packers was a bittersweet moment for sure. Joy at the win and concern at the injury (and it cost us in the playoffs). It seems in the last 2 decades, even when we beat GB we still lose somehow... :(
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Les took his chance. And it cost him his playing career (and the Bears a good player). But it also gave him the ability to say he returned a kickoff in a Superbowl (not to mention helped win in a dominating fashion that will live as long as the NFL is still around).
Took his chance - ended his career. No bigee. You know he still would have that Super Bowls memory and could have contributed to another one if he wasn't crippled.
Would you say the same if Jackson tore a tendon or broke a bone when some strong safety tee'd off on Jackson after a catch?
Let the Bears young receivers focus on playing WR and let Jackson focus on playing free safety.
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Couldn’t agree more.
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"Run, and you'll live...at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days, from this day to that, for one chance – just one chance – to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives but they'll never take our FRRREEEEDDOM !"
Les took his chance. And it cost him his playing career (and the Bears a good player). But it also gave him the ability to say he returned a kickoff in a Superbowl (not to mention helped win in a dominating fashion that will live as long as the NFL is still around).
Or to paraphrase Frank Drebin: "Sure, you take chance crossing the street, or sticking your face in fan....."
Maybe I'm old enough to have lived long enough (or maybe to know better) but I see too much "bubble wrap" happening to folks. We are turning into "Bubble People" :D
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Saw something about Eddie Jackson wanting to play WR on offense. Cornerback Leslie Frazier wanted to return a kick off in the Super Bowl after the Bears built a big lead...that was the last thing he did as a player in the NFL.
The game in dangerous enough no need exposing players to additional opportunities to get injured.
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What about Howard and Howard?
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Bray had a pretty good preseason last summer, but he's not going to make the 53 man roster.
Without preseason we may never see Fine take the field in 2020.
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Lets see what Fine can do. I wouldnt mind seeing Bray go.
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Mason Fine (https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/13/chicago-bears-bringing-in-north-texas-quarterback-mason-fine-for-tryout/) brought in to eliminate Bray once and for all...
Real practice starts on Monday.
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Wrong board I know, but rumors that pac-12 and big -10 are not playing this year. I wish I could say I'm freaked, but well....I'm not. Everyone needs to remember all this BS come november.
I'm sick of it.
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Innovative Fandom?
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/08/phillies-fans-yankees-aaron-boone-horns-fandemic
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Strange seeing baseball with cardboard fans in the stands. Football too? Insane.
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Or pump-fakes - Rodgers is very instinctive
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No fans in the seats, players kneeling.. Revenue will plummet....
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Let's all remember Mitch rarely used his feet last year. The year before it seemed as if he was picking up chunks of yards every drive..
I'm still wondering if there's going to be a season. If baseball is any hint of what to expect, may as well forget it..
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All I know is that if you have someone hanging on you in 2 seconds, you arent going to have much of a chance to go thru progressions. Now maybe Mitch just takes too long to make his reads, or maybe he just doesnt have the time. When Rogers or Brady get immediate pressure they dont look so great either. If Mitch is just not smart enough, that is another story. We shall find out this year.
boogie
I hear ya. When a guy gets to the QB in a couple seconds its tough to avoid the sack. But watch Rodgers and Brady when they get a pass rush, they often just take a quick step left or right or they step up in the pocket. It doesn't take a guy with the athleticism of Mitch to feel the pressure, keep his eyes down field and deliver a pass. Mitch feels the pressure and its bail out city.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/8/6/21358028/bears-hope-to-minimize-pain-of-eddie-goldman-absence.
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All I know is that if you have someone hanging on you in 2 seconds, you arent going to have much of a chance to go thru progressions. Now maybe Mitch just takes too long to make his reads, or maybe he just doesnt have the time. When Rogers or Brady get immediate pressure they dont look so great either. If Mitch is just not smart enough, that is another story. We shall find out this year.
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I don't think Mitch's problems can be solely attributed to pass protection. Other QBs with worse protection have fared better statistically. If you want to focus on the O-line - it's their deficiency in run blocking.
When many of us have said that the offensive line was responsible for much of Trubisky's poor performance, I think most of us were talking not only about pass protection, but also the lack of running game. Since it was obvious early on that the Bears could not consistently run the ball (largely due to the offensive line), that allowed the defense to tee off on the cornerback on what was very likely to be a passing play. And they couldn't do that also.
I am not convinced that Trubuksy will be a good quarterback. I AM convinced that very few quarterbacks could have thrived behind last year's offensive line's pass protection combined with the lack of run blocking.
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I don't see Irving being on the roster unless there's no one else.
He's athletic but has been given playing time here and there and just can't beat a block.
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Akiem Hicks played 5 games in 2019 - there's your reason for Mack's production falling off.
It's going to be real tough to evaluate Ladarius Mack without a preseason. Maybe he goes to the PS - or maybe he can beat out Isaiah Irving, who really hasn't shown much.
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This is scary:
https://heavy.com/sports/2020/08/bears-coach-khalil-mack-brother-ledarius/?fbclid=IwAR2CHIf_q5WNOaSqwOIzrSumevKTmb5i50WTDpG4tDDi-9_Zlmo4Ck895Zk
Enjoy
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You can question quite a lot f things about Trubisky, but not his dedication or preparation.
He just has to improve his pocket presence, decision making and his deep balls. Maybe bringing on Foles will make him more motivated - but I kind of doubt it.
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I would say a lot of it hinges on what Castillo can do with the OL. Give Mitch some protection, and I think his performance improves, along with the fire that has been lit under his rear.
ding ding ding
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The sad thing is, even though pre-season games take a fan thrashing anyway, without these and being able to see some sort of live-ish action, we will really know NOTHING until the rubber hits the road with the opener.
Completely mystified as to what we will see (and what is really happening in TC).....
That said, the season will probably be shortened anyway. What a clusterfuck this CHINESE (yes I said CHINESE) Wuhan Virus has caused to everything......
They don't even practice in pads until 2 weeks before the opener. Very weak training camp.
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Mitch has to be better at a) finding the open receiver, and b) hitting the open receiver.
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The sad thing is, even though pre-season games take a fan thrashing anyway, without these and being able to see some sort of live-ish action, we will really know NOTHING until the rubber hits the road with the opener.
Completely mystified as to what we will see (and what is really happening in TC).....
That said, the season will probably be shortened anyway. What a clusterfuck this CHINESE (yes I said CHINESE) Wuhan Virus has caused to everything......
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I would say a lot of it hinges on what Castillo can do with the OL. Give Mitch some protection, and I think his performance improves, along with the fire that has been lit under his rear.
I don't think Mitch's problems can be solely attributed to pass protection. Other QBs with worse protection have fared better statistically. If you want to focus on the O-line - it's their deficiency in run blocking. Defenses know that when they stop the Bears on first down and Mitch has a 2nd and 9 or 10 that they are going to pass the next couple downs and they make substitutions and alignment changes. (Plus Nagy is in love with the passing game).
Lack of run game puts more pressure on the O-line and Mitch on passing down cuz the defense is no longer honest. They don't fear the Bears' run game.
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ummm... You missed it by one topic. :)
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-african-american-community-the-latino-diverse
Just fukking incredible!!!
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I would say a lot of it hinges on what Castillo can do with the OL. Give Mitch some protection, and I think his performance improves, along with the fire that has been lit under his rear.
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I'm still holding out hope for Mitch.. Maybe last season was an off year for him, it happens to a young guy. Trubisky is a competitor, no way in hell he is happy about being drafted where he was, with Watson and Mahomes making him look like sh!t.. This is it, make or break..
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Too bad you cant read this
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/8/5/21356003/bears-show-up-in-shape-giving-matt-nagy-slight-head-start-in-roster-decisions
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While "experts" seem to always know everything. I wouldnt bank on whatever ESPN says:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/05/espns-bold-prediction-for-bears-qb-competition-in-training-camp/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
I still believe its Trubisky's job to lose. Besides, Trubisky has put in the most work this offseason. That should pay a lot of dividends on the practice field.
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I figure if I go to a sports bar I will spend 20$ + on food and drinks so it’s a break even.
Plus I don’t have to watch with a couple of guys who think Cutler is still the quarterback. After the Bears I can watch whatever games I want not just local.
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I hadn't missed a game in at least 30 years, until recently.. Even then I'd have the game on the radio (internet, wbbm). The NFL has let the players take over and run things. The players forget, we are the real boss, they are nobody's without us. No pay, no play..
It's not just the players. It's the agents too. And the owners are just as much to blame. They want to put out a good product and can't if their top player is holding out. Fans will call them cheap.
The NFL ticket is ridiculous. Should be $99 to watch everything, $49 to watch just your team..
Sometimes you can negotiate. It comes out to about $20 per weekend. Pricey I agree. But if watching the Bears is a priority over golf or some other leisure activity... You can always go to a bar/restaurant - I used to do that.
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I hadn't missed a game in at least 30 years, until recently.. Even then I'd have the game on the radio (internet, wbbm). The NFL has let the players take over and run things. The players forget, we are the real boss, they are nobody's without us. No pay, no play..
The NFL ticket is ridiculous. Should be $99 to watch everything, $49 to watch just your team..
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Dallas - You just described me exactly. I don't hardly own another color to wear when not at work. Navy, Orange, White, and Heather. If I am wearing another color, it's a holiday or special occasion. For my son's wedding, orange blazer, white dress shirt, navy slacks. It's in my blood...
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I agree Dallas, except the people in the stands are less and less Joe fan and more and more corporate seats.
I used to see a lot of games as guest of attorneys. I came to realize all of the hundreds of law firms, accounting firms and just about any business has 2-20season tickets.
I figured it out that a very large portion of fans are in business seats.
Those businesses will buy the season ticket regardless of the cost.
Also most NFL revenue comes from the tv contracts.
That’s where the loss of revenue is coming from.
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Yet the stands are full every game.
And the rest just watch it on TV or in my case put down the bucks for the NFL Sunday ticket.
Not gladly, but I do it cuz I'm a crazy addicted Bear fan that has watching Bear games high on my list of priorities in life. My family doesn't understand - they tolerate it...sort of.
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The money paid to athletes for professional sports has been insane for years. But its the same for actors, CEOs, and other professions.
If someone is willing to pay then you really can't fault the people receiving the earnings. And most of us are OK with it as long as the game, or movie is good or the company is doing well.
As for football, the anthem activities will turn many off and they will leave. But most fans, especially with this virus impacting them daily, will more than welcome the return of the biggest sport in the USA - NFL football.
The salaries impact me when I feel seeing a game is too expensive.. The cost too see an actor in a movie has about doubled the last 10 years.
Some years ago I could take my family of 5 to a game for about $150. Now about 15 years later it would be about $1000. Not worth it for 3 hours of entertainment.
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The NFL is stuck in the middle. Can't alienate the players - can't alienate the fan base.
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Just like the mortgage bubble, the athlete pay bubble is bound to burst. And the screams will be many, with much rending of garments and gnashing of teeth..... :D
But not as bad as when the student loan fiasco finally implodes...... :(
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The money paid to athletes for professional sports has been insane for years. But its the same for actors, CEOs, and other professions.
If someone is willing to pay then you really can't fault the people receiving the earnings. And most of us are OK with it as long as the game, or movie is good or the company is doing well.
As for football, the anthem activities will turn many off and they will leave. But most fans, especially with this virus impacting them daily, will more than welcome the return of the biggest sport in the USA - NFL football.
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I'm curious to see what the NFL TV ratings will be like this year.
They've gone down significantly each of the last several years and now more fans say they will not watch if there is anthem/flag kneeling.
At some point with TV ratings down the TV contracts will suffer and teams revenue will really drop. They're already predicting a salary cap drop for the first time for next year because of loss of stadium revenue.
The day of the big contracts may be closing at least for some years to come.
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Blow it up, start over..
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Wouldnt it be interesting if ALL NFL players suddenly opted out.
The poor owners would cry
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Per Biggs opt out deadline is 3p tomorrow.
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'Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.'
George Carlin
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ESPN on FB is constantly posting crap about who kneeled and who didn't. How did sports become so fricking politicized??? This isn't why people watch sports!!
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I imagine the pandemic has wiped out ratings for radio talk. I have listened pretty religiously to the Score over the years, but have hardly listened in months.
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NFL Channel, ESPN the SCORE spend little time talking about anything else.
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They need their social justice...right up their a$s!!
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Any sports media in Chicago talking about anything but social justice on radio shows and podcasts?
I tried listening to the under center podcast yesterday and they started to discuss Trubisky's recent interview with local media.
One host asked the other if there was anything Mithell DIDN'T say that he was expecting. The response was "well I am surprised he didn't address social injustice" and they went on to discuss that and nothing else. I get its importance but what happened to sports?
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Is there any media coverage of training camp?
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/8/4/21354463/bears-five-potential-breakout-stars-to-watch-heading-into-2020-season
Could be fluff but some new faces.
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As long as he doesn't lose any speed/flexibility this added strength/bulk is welcome. Bears O-line has never been known to blow any d-lineman off the ball. Now with the Ifedi and Whitehair the interior line may open up some running lanes.
Bears need to sign a decent NT and re-sign Robinson...and stay healthy.
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Hey Dallas, I like this, so should you:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/02/chicago-bears-left-guard-james-daniels-has-bulked-up-this-offseason/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos2headline
He looks ready to kick butt and take names.
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And Pierce reactivated off Covid list
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RB Napoleon Maxwell cut.
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I hope they cancel the year. Personally I don't care. The NFL was the last team sport I would watch. Now they are dead to me. These insects think they are important. Wait till they take a major hit in they're wallet and realize they were on the wrong side. Farewell to all of you that have a functioning brain. I'll miss many of the posts. On to more important matters. Time to take a stand!
I agree with you, joki!!The players have made themselves bigger than they really are. They forget who pays the bills..
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I hope they cancel the year. Personally I don't care. The NFL was the last team sport I would watch. Now they are dead to me. These insects think they are important. Wait till they take a major hit in they're wallet and realize they were on the wrong side. Farewell to all of you that have a functioning brain. I'll miss many of the posts. On to more important matters. Time to take a stand!
That's a big step but best wishes.
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NBA is now #1 on my do not watch list.
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I hope they cancel the year. Personally I don't care. The NFL was the last team sport I would watch. Now they are dead to me. These insects think they are important. Wait till they take a major hit in they're wallet and realize they were on the wrong side. Farewell to all of you that have a functioning brain. I'll miss many of the posts. On to more important matters. Time to take a stand!
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I dont like any of these options:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/31/three-free-agent-options-to-replace-chicago-bears-nose-tackle-eddie-goldman/
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Heck, I'm wondering myself if I didn't already have it. I had loss of taste and smell which is all back now and a cough. No fever nothing else. If this was it, it was easier than 95% of anything I've ever caught.... I plan on waiting and getting a antibody test to see if I did. I've gotten sick so much in the last five,ten years that my immune system is like 'ehh I've seen something like this before' and knocked it out.
I was MUCH sicker just two years ago when I had both the Flu and Strep throat at the same time. THAT sucked! Throwing up with a sore throat and feeling horrid......fun times....remember when I was coming home from work after it hitting me and having to stop halfway home and get out and wretch on a side road. As I as roaring out my guts by the side of the road, I look up and there were ten deer across the street all looking at me like 'what is this guy dying from?!?'. It was crazy....
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A death rate of 1% is not exactly reassuring. Think of it this way. If Soldier Field was full (65,000 fans) and all had Covid - that means 650 would die.
I don't believe the 1% number that is often being presented. To actually calculate an actual death rate you need two numbers: covid deaths and covid infections.
The covid deaths is somewhat known, although many would say it's inflated. But no one knows how many folks are infected or have been infected with Covid 19. Way way too many asympotomatic infections that were never discovered - never tested.
Bottom line...wear the mask in public, avoid crowds, yada yada yada
I know many of you like me are not exactly spring chickens...and you don't want to play russian routlette with a covid infection no matter what the death rate infection is.
Back to football - Go Bears - Beat the Pack - Trubisky or Foles
One more. 1% is for everyone. The percents are super miniscule for everyone under 60. I get it. Don't go to the stadium if you are over 60 and have underlying medical conditions (diabetes, hypertension, COPD, etc)
I think Trubisky beats out Foles and is the game 1 starteer.
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A death rate of 1% is not exactly reassuring. Think of it this way. If Soldier Field was full (65,000 fans) and all had Covid - that means 650 would die.
I don't believe the 1% number that is often being presented. To actually calculate an actual death rate you need two numbers: covid deaths and covid infections.
The covid deaths is somewhat known, although many would say it's inflated. But no one knows how many folks are infected or have been infected with Covid 19. Way way too many asympotomatic infections that were never discovered - never tested.
Bottom line...wear the mask in public, avoid crowds, yada yada yada
I know many of you like me are not exactly spring chickens...and you don't want to play russian routlette with a covid infection no matter what the death rate infection is.
Back to football - Go Bears - Beat the Pack - Trubisky or Foles
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So much misinformation about C19. We have associates calling out because they were near someone who tested positive that had no symptoms. Our healthcare system practices that you must be within 6 feet for 15 minutes, without a mask. I imagine right now it is all meetings, so seating at least 6 feet apart. Meet outside, etc. I have been to work everyyday since March, in several hospitals. Protect yourself, be smart, and you have nothing to fear. And IF you do catch it, 1% death rate for all ages and all previous medical conditions.
Can you imagine if we got this worked up every year for the flu? I know it appears to be more contagious than the flu, but smart precautions can help everyone stay safe.
A voice of sanity? Say it ain't so..
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Why in the world would it be wrong for Devin Nunes to be in contact with an Ukrainian politician?
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So much misinformation about C19. We have associates calling out because they were near someone who tested positive that had no symptoms. Our healthcare system practices that you must be within 6 feet for 15 minutes, without a mask. I imagine right now it is all meetings, so seating at least 6 feet apart. Meet outside, etc. I have been to work everyyday since March, in several hospitals. Protect yourself, be smart, and you have nothing to fear. And IF you do catch it, 1% death rate for all ages and all previous medical conditions.
Can you imagine if we got this worked up every year for the flu? I know it appears to be more contagious than the flu, but smart precautions can help everyone stay safe.
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And now Jenkins has the virus...
At the most 14 days, and then back on the field. Pretend he is holding out.
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So if the entire Bears defense was in close proximity to Jenkins who may have been in close proximity to a guy who tested positive then the whole D needs to be quarantined.
I guess that Jenkins is out what 10 to 14 days even though he may be testing negative each and every day while on the list.
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And now Jenkins has the virus...
Not necessarily. If a player was even in proximity to someone who tested positive they are put on the list.
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A 4-3 might be our best option...
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And now Jenkins has the virus...
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Every thing Bears Wire posts is stupid...
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Here is what Bears Wire has to say:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/29/4-bears-players-that-need-to-step-up-in-eddie-goldmans-absence/
They bring up Jenkins. I liked him before
Kinda stupid article. Jenkins is the only nose tackle mentioned.
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Here is what Bears Wire has to say:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/29/4-bears-players-that-need-to-step-up-in-eddie-goldmans-absence/
They bring up Jenkins. I liked him before
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Hey Wshful make up your mind.
First of all Bilal and Ray-Robertson are not NTs. If the Bears can find a legit NT not a 3-4 DE then that would be OK.
But what about abandoning the 3-4 altogether? They run a 4-3 the majority of the time anyway. Ray-Robertston, Hicks and Nicols play DT. Mack is one end and Quinn who is more of a 4-3 guy is your other DE.
It beats putting in some fat a$$ NT that isn't worth a crap in there.
Bears coaches aren't flexible enough to use such a common sense approach, they are hand-cuffed to systems. "I didn't come here to run the I formation" becomes "I didn't come here to run a 4-3."
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I was just posting what Heavy on Bears thought. The point is we need a Goldman replacement. well Heavy posted they get cap back and they need other roster improvements.
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Hey Wshful make up your mind.
First of all Bilal and Ray-Robertson are not NTs. If the Bears can find a legit NT not a 3-4 DE then that would be OK.
But what about abandoning the 3-4 altogether? They run a 4-3 the majority of the time anyway. Ray-Robertston, Hicks and Nicols play DT. Mack is one end and Quinn who is more of a 4-3 guy is your other DE.
It beats putting in some fat a$$ NT that isn't worth a crap in there.
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Looks like here is your Goldman replacement
https://heavy.com/sports/2020/07/damon-snacks-harrison-bears-eddie-goldman/
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CB Roberson broke his foot in an off season workout.
He was waived with an injury designation - I just don't know that the Bears would have any rights to him in October or November after his foot healed.
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Does Goldman’s salary go back to the system so they can apply it elsewhere?
They can sign another DT to replace him along with Jenkins and maybe a FA RB.
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1a) "The Bears on Tuesday waived cornerback Tre Roberson with a non-football injury designation, a designation used for players who are unable to practice due to an injury that did not occur in an NFL game or practice."
1b) Yes, Roberson got a ton of $ coming in from CFL, but Bears have some depth with Tolliver and Johnson, plus Artie Burns and the other rookie Vildor. And my personal dark horse to make the team is Stephen Denmark. They still think he can play corner even though he has safety size. As for Roberson who knows what he came to camp with - bum knee? bad shoulder? probably not Covid.
2) I'd have to give the edge for the #4 TE to Holtz only because Graham is a so-so blocker, Kmet probably isn't a good blocker yet, and only Demetrius Harris is considered an accomplished blocker. Horsted is a converted WR out of Princeton but could develop into a Trey Burton type of player, but right now Holtz offers more options in a double TE formation or as a FB. Now if Kmet shows he can block that might open up a spot for Hortsted. Horsted probably makes PS - I doubt Bears keep 5 TEs this early but they did at times last year.
3) Eddie Goldman - say it ain't so.
4) If Pierce is asymptomatic he could still stay in shape but he's definitely behind Nall now. But if he makes the PS he can always be brought in later on in the season.
5) Bill Sharp -- I don't know what pissed me off more today Jayapal and her leftists showboating at the expense of the AG or the media squelching another good report on hydroxychloriquin. OK - back to Bears.
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I don't get this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksruCQaM1W0
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Haha. And you eat Fruit Loops and drive an Edsel
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"BFD not impressed enough."
The sentence is grammatically incorrect.
Last year the Bears only ran the ball consistently well from the I formation with a fullback.
I suppose you agree with Nagy's stubborn square pegs in round holes approach to coaching.
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Big F'n Deal. And you werent smart enough to figure out that? What cereal do you eat for breakfast, Fruit Loops?
Fulbacks went out of use with the Edsel.
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BFD? English please.
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Holtz is the only guy on the roster who can play fullback.
BFD not impressed enough
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In the tight end scenario, I would think that Horsted makes it over Holtz.
Thats my opinion too
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Holtz is the only guy on the roster who can play fullback.
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Eddie Goldman opting out this year. That is going to hurt.
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In the tight end scenario, I would think that Horsted makes it over Holtz.
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/26/projecting-the-four-chicago-bears-tight-ends-on-53-man-roster/
I get this but I am not enamored with it. I dont like Graham, Kmet is a questionmark rookie, Harris is a Bear unknown.
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Oh dang...you think bro actually got it? Or they tryin save roster spots?
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/7/27/21341027/bears-artavis-pierce-running-back-covid-19-reserve-list-nfl-coronavirus-training-camp-2020-test
I was hoping Pierce stuck. We need a speed back like him. OTOH I think putting him on a Covid list protects that possibility. Hopefully if he has the virus he recovers fast and they cut somebody else to free up a spot for him. If putting him on a Covid list and he doesnt have it I have no problem with that. Thats Garfield's rule.
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I know I was onboard with Adams. He appeared to be the most sure fire starter, and I always get nervous about drafting a QB given our history... that keeps repeating itself.
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https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugxr1zq7tvbfMXA8Gjd4AaABCQ
Artavis Pierce put on covid-19 reserve list.
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Guess I wasn't OK with Mike Glennon as the Bears' QB. Trubisky was the highest rated QB by most accounts.
In his 2nd year he made the pro bowl and the Bears made he playoffs. Last year he struggled, some blame his shoulder, his run game, his offensive line, lack of a legit TE, and lack of consistent WR outside of Alan Robinson.
Trubisky has to improve his pocket presence, his decision making and accuracy on deep balls.
This season, if there is one, Trubisky has some competition. We'll see if he has has the opportunity to make improvements in his game.
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I voted Thomas but go on record wanting Trubisky.
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Talking about the Trubisky draft? I'm going back on vacation.
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Teams tried to trade up for Mitchell Trubisky, but not as high as No. 2
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 2, 2017, 5:44 PM EDT
AP
The Bears weren’t the only team that wanted to trade up to draft quarterback Mitchell Trubisky. Chicago was just the only team that traded all the way up to No. 2.
Titans General Manager Jon Robinson said on SiriusXM NFL Radio that Tennessee was fielding calls at No. 5 from teams that wanted to trade up. But when the Bears moved up from No. 3 to No. 2 and took Trubisky, everyone stopped calling the Titans.
“We had some calls about pick No. 5,” Robinson said. “When the trade happened between San Francisco and Chicago, it kinda threw water on anything in that spot.”
Those comments suggest that Trubisky was higher than Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson on draft boards around the league, and that the Bears were far from alone in coveting Trubisky. That doesn’t mean the Bears made the right decision giving up three other picks to move up from No. 3 to No. 2, but it does show they acquired the consensus top quarterback in the draft.
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Mayock said no QB in this draft was first round material. Wait until next year.
We started a panic that the rest of the League bought into.
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For the record...
http://bbf.createaforum.com/archives/draft-night/15/
That was draft night and most people wanted Jamal Adams.
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If we had been smart, and taken Laremy Tunsil when he fell to us instead of Leonard Floyd...
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Watson with a stud OL.. We for sure would be having a different conversation..
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https://heavy.com/sports/2020/07/chicago-bears-roster-cuts-2020/?fbclid=IwAR06Zdl8t-cU9QpUYMoeaU1N2gbpdPMVFIARVZA53pumPpyLZc2cjI1Vv24
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I wanted Jamal Adams....
I wanted a trade down for Adams or Watson. Spend extra pics on OL.
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I wanted Jamal Adams....
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the fact that in Trubisky only started 1 year at North Carolina was always a big red flag. I was shocked when the Bears picked him.
So was I. But it was always a Bear philosophy that a QB didnt have to be great, just a manager of the game. Its why we went through so many QBs trying to find a decent one
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the fact that in Trubisky only started 1 year at North Carolina was always a big red flag. I was shocked when the Bears picked him.
At the time of the draft, Trubisky was consistently being mentioned as the number 1 overall pick ahead of Miles Garrett. While I agree that the one year starting was a red flag, NFL talent evaluators were all in. To this point, they were wrong. Keeping hope alive that he is a late bloomer.
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No one had Mahomes ahead of Trubisky.
That’s a non-starter.
the fact that in Trubisky only started 1 year at North Carolina was always a big red flag. I was shocked when the Bears picked him.
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Any team could have traded up for Mahommes and only 1 did, enough said on that one.
Watson had the pedigree
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No one had Mahomes ahead of Trubisky.
That’s a non-starter.
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over Watson? how about over Mahomes? Pace is a clown, everyone in the league knows it.
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Every team has bad draft picks and free agents that don't work out.
To me the biggest Pace has hanging over his head is Glennon and Trubisky over Watson.
I'll judge Pace on how the offensive line performs this season. It was the weakness of the team and he had draft picks and some FA money to replace players if that's what's needed. He basically took flyers on failed players and didn't use the draft. If coaching doesn't change things it's a big failure in my opinion.
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Don’t forget the first qb that guy signed- the neck. I think we only
Got Mack b/c of Fangio. Not sold at all on that guy.
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To be honest. It's hard to find any positives when we send a second round draft choice to team for a conditional 6th. Another, in a long line of busted picks by Pace.. Is Pagano going to be able to to turn the D back into the squad they were two years ago?
And I guess this next draft will once again feature a QB pick..
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If they got a can of beer nuts and a six pack they'd come out ahead in the Shaheen deal.
But the Bears will probably receive nothing if its conditional on his making the starting roster (or even the 53 man). They'll just release his butt and bring him back later unless there is language in the contract that if he EVER is on the Miami roster they pay the price. Good faith negotiations in the NFL are dead.....
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Really? I bet he has to make the roster all season as a condition. I doubt he can do that. But if they shed his contract its a blessing
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Actually got a pick in return
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Shaheen to the dolphins for a conditional 6th.
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What should be a source to get away from the daily humdrum is becoming part of the humdrum. NFL has jumped the shark, unfortunately. Love the sport, hate the owners/players/reporters for sure for screwing up something that was an escape from the everyday. It still boggles the mind that a pinhead like Goodell keeps his job cooking the golden goose......
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So, they are talking reduction in salary cap. Love it.. I hope they cut it in half.. Put these overpaid slobs back in their place. Maybe then they can find another platform to kneel at.. I'm sick of these fukks turning sports into a political statement..
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Rashaard Cowart would be my first cut. I liked what I saw from that Thomas Ives guy last preseason.
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I see that Bears wire is pointing to fringe players to get the axe. I think there might be some surprises.
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Well Bears Wire is getting in on the cuts coming
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/24/9-chicago-bears-players-that-are-unlikely-to-survive-pre-training-camp-cuts/?utm_source=bearswire&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/25/several-teams-in-rough-cap-shape-in-2021/
According to OverTheCap.com, eight teams are already over a 2021 cap of $175 million with the players they have signed through next year, before they sign a single free agent next year or draft any rookies. That group includes the Eagles, Saints, Falcons, Chiefs, Steelers, Bears, Raiders and Vikings.
Those teams will have to cut players and restructure contracts just to get under the cap before the start of the league year. Teams cut players and restructure contracts every year, but next year it will prove to be particularly difficult for teams that had a lot of players under long-term contracts that were negotiated before anyone dreamed that a pandemic would cause the cap to plummet.
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Lawrence will be the first guy drafted.
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I like Fields more than Lawrence. Unless there is a total collapse, the bears will not have a chance at either one.
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Yeah, count me in on the Trevor Laurence bandwagon.