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Game 1 vs. Philadelphia
Friday 8/8/2014
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Watching on Preseason Live on nfl.com, and it looks great right now...
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Me too...they had some problem with their servers and I couldn't get on at first. Is good now
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Same here...
Refs are whistle-happy early.
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The Bears telecast on WMBDD is **** absolute garbage! Two huge blur lines everything is pixilated. Even worse then normal for them. They are having technical difficulties they scroll across the bottom.
No ****! But then how can we tell because it is so terrible every year!
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From what I can tell the Bears D has played well.
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Jeffery! 40 yard reception!
2 flags, though...offsetting
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Marshall with a great one-hand snag...1st down!
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Marshall! 1st down!
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Rasario!!!
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Hell of a throw and catch. Good job holding on.
Forte!!!
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Rosario! 1st down!
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Didn't look like holding to me.
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These refs are throwing flags almost every play.
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Cutler looks sharp
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good no-call
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Rosario is a baller.
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Rosario! 1st down!
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TD Zach Milller?????
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Nice throw and catch and getting feet down.
Who the hell is he? LOL!
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Miller! Touchdown!
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Nice!
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Former Jag...I was wondering if he was the former Seahawk at first...
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Looks like a TD to me...
And it is!
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Think they are using the TE's to show Bennet what he is missing?
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They're taking XP attempts from the 25 this preseason, so the XP is now a 32-33 yard kick.
Doesnt matter to Gould, though...automatic!
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Mundy with the STICK on kick return...nice!
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INT number two by McMannis!
This is second string Bears D against the Eagles number one O.
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McManis! Pick!
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Heh, internet feed is a good play or two behind TV, I'm thinking...
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NFL Preseason Live...save your money. It won't even log in all game long. I guess it's NFL Network replays for me.
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Palmer in, Draughn in...
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Keep trying, BF...it finally worked for me, and it looks great
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Morgan! 1st down!
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Miller! 1st down!
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Eagles O going through the Bears D like a hot knife through butter after Palmer threw a deep pick.
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Palmer looks not so good
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True. In fairness his protection has been terrible.
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Did you see that? A safety tackled a running back!
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Ka'deem Carey in...
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Miller showing nice hands, and getting YAC...
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Wow! Zach Miller is a heck of a player.
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That was a heck of a move by Emery. I am guessing we are paying him vet minimum.
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Wonder if Martellus feels like Wally Pipp yet?
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Morgan! 1st down!
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ZACH MILLER TD!!!
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You can't stop Zach Miller! TD BEARS!!!
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Palmer started shaky, but has looked pretty good lately...
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Boo!
Give it right back with the KO return but it is only pre-season.
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Palmer had some time and looked better but I'm not crazy about his footwork
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any opinions on the new rookie defensive players?
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They looked like rookies. To soon to tell. I think Fuller will be a good player for us. The DT's will rotate in.
Really not sure about McClellin at LBer. But the Eagles go quick and there was no game plan. So we will see. For the first pre-season game I like what I see. We held a lot of guys out and still looked pretty good when the starters were in.
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I'm interested to see Clausen
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Ok so I couldn't see the first 7+ minutes of the first quarter, which I wanted to see. Grrr. Zach Miller looks like a stud. Both backup lines look like crap. The second half is going to be hard to watch. Interested in seeing what Clausen looks like.
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So McClellin played the whole first half. Interested to see if he plays the second half as well.
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Did his name get called at all?
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Greene! Fumble recovery!
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In pre-season generally feel if your starters go out before the other teams you won. Ours were out before theirs.
Our second string D stopped their first team O. Not much to **** about that.
Our O started slow but looked real good after that.
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Adrian Wilson is doing some HITTING!
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Eagles slashing the Bear 3rd stringers.
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Not a fan of these officials.
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Clausen to Williams 73 yards TD!!!
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That was a nice throw and catch. Clausen also changed the line up to get it done. Nice.
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Bears muff a punt as Ford (blocking) cuts in front of Spurlock last second and deflects the ball away...
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Bears with a pick on the very next play, though...Al Louis-Jean, rookie from BC, with nice hands on the pick!
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Now I see why they have been talking Clausen up.
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Perry! 1st down!
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Spurlock! 1st down!
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TD BEARS!
Clausen to Spurlock!
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Two point conversion is good!
Clausen to Rosario!
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31-28 Bears!!!
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Nice run by Clausen on 3rd and 9 right before the TD as well...
He looks pretty good for a damn Vol.
Check that...his brother was a damn Vol, Jimmy's a damn Irish...
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Brad Biggs says Chris William out with a hammy.
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Clausen clearly has outplayed Palmer
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Clausen to Rosario for 2, and we are up 3...
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Holy **** now Fales throws a nice long throw from the endzone!
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Fales to Bellamy for 41, and we're off and running again...
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For the first pre-season game I like what I see. 31-28 Bears in the 4th.
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They need to work on running the ball though.
They have been moving OL around a lot though and lost some due to injury.
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Jordan Lynch in at RB...fans loving it...
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Bears win!
34-28!
Offense looked good at times with all three QB's. Defense was getting Turn overs. About as good as it gets with the first pre-season game I think against a good team.
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Bears win!
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Woo! 1-0!
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I liked Al Louis-Jean and Demontre Hurst. And the guns on Jordan Lynch, yikes. Glad he got some carries at the end of the game. I am kind of excited for the season to start. Hope the two injuries are minor.
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I liked what Clausen did tonight. I thought Cutler was sharp and the offense looked good behind him. And Zack Miller? Wow
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Did any of us get the feeling that this was just phase one ?
Look at the NFC EAST outside of Philly.
The NFC WEST ... all four.
The NFC SOUTH ... three out of four.
The NFC NORTH ... one.
Thats just the fuckin NFC.
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Wherever Dave Toub is, can we please please get him back here. Whatever it takes.
I cant seem to find anything on the injuries so far....
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Saw only some game replay on NFLN and Clausen looked real good. Heard Cut did good too. Preseason but a good start! Saw lots of ints too
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Hopefully I'll get a chance to catch the replay.
My first concern was the defense, particularly the linebacker play (Bostic, McClellan, Williams and Greene).
Also was interested in our DT play (both rookies and the veterans) as well as Lamar Houston.
Bears have always covered kicks and punts well even when Hester was having off years. Trestman may have to focus on that prior to the start of the season.
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The kick return was at the point guys who were covering it are probably not going to be actual Bears come opening day. The first string defense played awesome even with out Jared Allen.
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Watched most of the game last night.
First string D was playing extremely well. Very impressive. Getting pressure without blitzing. Second string D line was getting run on to easily.
LB play seemed solid. Shea looked a little lost at times, but his speed always allowed him to recover and make a tackle or be near play. When it slows down mentally after a few games, I think he will be fine.
S play was solid. If this unit can be average that's all we will need.
Zak Miller played great. I love the timing. Bennett better pull his head out of his ass, because their are other guys that can get the job done.
I think Clausen has the better arm and Palmer the better understanding of offense. I think Clausen will win the backup job and Palmer will be available during the season if we need to call him in because of injury.
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Game will replay on NFLN Wednesday at 10AM
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/networkschedule?selectedDate=08/13/2014&field=selectedDate
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Gettin ready for Thursday Night game...go Bears!
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Conte and Steltz not playing tonight.
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Conte and Steltz not playing tonight.
awww damn... ::)
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Fuller hurt going to locker room not good.
Bostic just made a good play.
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Fuller out early with injury.
Bostic with a nice impact play. Otherwise defense was looking a little taken back by Jags no huddle offense.
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Defense looking pretty anemic...all Jags so far.
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Weems fumbles KO return....sheesh ???
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Special team turn over
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I think this is a case of the Jags game planning and needing a win to change the attitude of the team.
Some terrible calls also. The Jags WR's have been hitting our DB's and our DB's get called for contact.
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1st quarter all Jags...13-0...
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That last one was extremely bad ... The QB was already down before the illegal contact could have been illegal.
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Plus the WR hit our DB.
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Lack of running game in first game and so far in this game…a little worrisome.
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TD Bears. Cutler has all day.
The run blocking does need to improve.
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Nice drive.
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O line lookin very good
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Our ST play is terrible. DiCamlis (sp?) sure doesn't impress me as a coach.
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1st and 35? 8 officials and pre-season equals a ridiculous amount of flags. They are making this game unwatchable and unenjoyable.
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Amen, Peke
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Other than the Chicago Cubs, is there a worse sports franchise than the Chicago Bears?
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The D looked terrible, the O was shaky, and special teams is the worst. And TE Miller who was a stud last week went off hurt. Good grief.
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As far as Clausen in the first half, he was victimized by penalties, and I kind of like his composure. But he doesn't really have anyone to throw to. It will be interesting to see how Palmer fares.
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I don't think we can take much from this game other then the injuries because they are real.
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That #25 kid just doesn't look big enough for runs inside. Like Clausen and that #19 wr. Defense? erm....
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Clausen keeps battling but he is not getting a lot of help. I like him. Hope we keep him.
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Just a exhibition game.
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2-0
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So Palmer actually looked pretty cool and collected. I wish Clausen had Palmers understanding and knowledge of Trestmans system. That would be the best. Still glad they won.
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I am guessing Fales is headed to the practice squad.
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I know it's preseason, but.. Shakey at best.. The D was very porous..
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The refs and new rule changes really take fun of watching a game away from the fans. It seemed like there was a penalty called every other play. They're turning this into a p%$$y league.
I'm getting concerned with the amount of injuries piling up. Hopefully,Fuller,C.Williams and Z.Miller will be back soon. Other major concerns are special teams. Weems shows me nothing that would suggests that he makes the team. The only positive in this area are our kickers.(Gould and O'Donnell).
I'm very worried about the middle of our defense's depth. I was not a fan of Emery's choices of Sutton and especially Ferguson. Ego did nothing on tape that warranted a 2nd round selection. Sutton was also a reach in the 3rd round. Hopefully they prove me wrong,but,I'm not sure they both make the cut. Brock Vereen is another ?????? I can understand filling a need,but,was again underwhelmed at his game tape.
Now the positive. Our offense should continue it's production. The starting OL looked great as well as the starting DL. The big question on defense comes down to the consistency of our safety play. I have a feeling our starters on opening day will be A.Wilson (SS) and Mundy (FS). I think we have a future probowler in Kyle Fuller (CB) if he can stay healthy. I am also high on rookies Carey (RB) and O'Donnell (P). I am cautiously optimistic about this year,but,that will change if injuries continue to mount.
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Clausen clearly the number two option. He will be back up.
ST is terrible. We need a better coach. Toub had us spoiled!
WR Morgan makes team. Big body, sure hands so far this preseason.
LBers and S is weakness of team. For sure LB and S early next years draft.
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I was less than impressed with the game last night. If it wasn't for Palmer's arm and #79 on the goal line we wouldn't have won that game. Jacksonville certainly outplayed us. That coach for Jacksonville came from Seattle so next Friday's game wont be fun to watch. Hopefully we do some game planning for them
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Jags were definitely playing well - good for them - I hope they turn it around with the new Coach
Impressive O-line - especially this early - most teams aren't really gelling early on
Injuries - or lack of injuries is what makes or breaks your season - and some luck
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Our starting OL still can't run block.
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And lets not forget Shea McClellin. How many times was he trailing the play, arriving a second too late. I know I know, position change, blah blah blah.
Weems scares the crap out of me as returner. What was our avg starting field position? 10 or 15???
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Hester was 6th in the league returning kicks last year. Oh well.
I think our best option for kick off returns this year - take a knee.
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I see why Shaun Draughn gets second team reps. Great hands. Not looking good for my guy Michael Ford. 3rd back will go to rookie Ka'Deem Carey. Senorise Perry gets the PS spot.
Trevor Scott's play would appear to earn him the #4 DE spot. But he's 29, which means 1 year deal and he takes a roster spot from on of the young DEs. #5 DE is a battle between Austen Lane, David Bass and my personal favorite Cornelius Washington (who had a nice game last night).
I didn't see Nate Collins last night - then this morning I discovered that his new number is #98. So I need to go back and watch the game.
Josh Morgan looked the best of the WR group. Bellamy had a nice game and Moss had catch or 2. I hope they can save a spot on the roster for Marquise Wilson.
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Replay today at 4 on NFLN
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/networkschedule?
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Offense goes 3 and out first series again. Need to get this fixed. Defense was a hot mess! Lots to get figured out there. The Dline seemed more interested in locking on to their Oline counterpart and dancing together than penetrating to the backfield. This Dline needs to work or it's all going downhill....
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Offense went 3 and out because Marshall dropped a first down pass. Preseason...it happens. Of course he probably would have caught it if McCown had thrown it.
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McCown's not on the Bears anymore.... :P
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Did we trade Cade?
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Heh, there's a great shot of Austen Lane's "Big Boy" tattoo at the 3:10 mark in the 4th, for those of you who have it recorded...
Dude has Shoney's Big Boy on his right arm...heh...
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Watched S' hawks game last and I get the feeling the Bears are in for a rough time
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Jacksonville is mini-Seattle. We had trouble with Jacksonville. Yeah I think we will definitely have trouble with Seattle. Plus its on the road, not Chicago
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Plus this is going to be the tune up game for their starters. Yeah it is going to be rough.
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Uh oh:
Russell Wilson led the Seahawks to a 24-0 lead while out-gaining the Chargers by a margin of 255-42 with their starters in the game.
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What better team to play preseason game #3 to determine your team's strengths and weaknesses?
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While I agree it will be a good test for our O, I shudder to think how bad they are going to make the D look.
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Bears run D should be up to the challenge but the pass D needs some heavenly intervention I'm thinking...
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Especially if Conte plays.....shudder >:(
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I actually think Conte may play well. He's had a long time to think about last year and he was actually pretty good in 2012. Much like a player in a contract year his career is on the line. Will he rise to the occasion or fall flat? We'll see.
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Emery/Trestman has cut or not re-signed about half the 2013 defense: Melton, Peppers, Wright, Anderson, and Corey Wooten.
They must think Conte has some value or they'd have sent him off too.
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Which scares the crap outta me. If they think Conte is worth keeping, I'm gonna prognosticate this is Tucker's final season with the Bears.....we'll see....
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A buddy of mine who is a Cowboy fan said that Melton is getting owned by the offensive line in training camp...
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Melton hasn't been totally healthy. He's recovering from the ACL surgery and now has a groin injury that is keeping him out of the preseason games. The Cowboys are hoping he will be able to play in the last preseason game but he won't play this weekend.
If Melton doesn't have full use of his legs then it wouldn't surprise me that he was getting owned in training camp. His game is based on speed.
Remember what Tommie Harris looked like after that leg injury?
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Tommie Harris was a monster. Best we have had at tackle in a long time...
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He had all-time-great talent...then the leg injury and that was it.
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I remember once in San Diego the Chargers got to the Bears one yard line.
At the snap Harris actually knocked the ball out of the hands of the center as he was snapping the ball up to Phillip Rivers.
All of the Chargers were sure Harris had to be offside but the replay showed he wasn't.
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He did that against the Vikings too.
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Speaking of the Cowboys, they have a new DT they signed off the street.
He practiced only once with the team, finished the game with four tackles, two sacks, two tackles for loss, a quarterback hurry and a forced fumble.
Zach Minter. (They call him Flounder after the character in Animal House).
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Sounds like they should call him MVP
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Did Zach Minter have a stint with the Bears? I don't recall him. I recall Barry Minter but not a Zach.
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He's another ex-Bear on the Cowboys.
Undrafted rookie FA out of Montana or Wyoming last year. Played in a couple games with the Bears. Bengals picked him up and dropped him.
Cowboys are so desperate for d-line help that after this guy's performance against backups the other night he's being heralded as the next Bob Lilly.
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Speaking of Cornelius Washington, his chances don't look good.
I don't understand because he was throughly beating the Jags left tackles last week when they let him ply some of the 4th quarter.
Why not see what he can do with some first half playing time? It's not like theres anything to lose
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Speaking of Cornelius Washington, his chances don't look good.
I don't understand because he was throughly beating the Jags left tackles last week when they let him ply some of the 4th quarter.
Why not see what he can do with some first half playing time? It's not like theres anything to lose
I agree ... its time to SEATTLE weed thru whats left on this team.
So those **** are going to be top heavy at home in the third game ...
what they dont understand ... is CHICAGO BEARS coming to Seattle !
Thank you very much ! Lets kick some Seahawks ass!!!
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Steelers got their asses handed to them tonight by the Eagles. I expect the Seahawks to do the same to the Bears. Trestman thinks he has a playoff team and I don't think he will want to show his hand to them in pre-season. They have already started down playing expectations for this game.
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Steelers got their asses handed to them tonight by the Eagles. I expect the Seahawks to do the same to the Bears. Trestman thinks he has a playoff team and I don't think he will want to show his hand to them in pre-season. They have already started down playing expectations for this game.
The good ol KEYSTONE State bragging rights.
BTW ... Illinois does not have this ... but Missouri does.
Aint that some **** ?
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Davebear
You'd like to see one of last years rookies (bass or wasington) make this team. They could keep 5 de's and try to stash CW on the PS.
He won't last long there.
He's got 2 games to prove himself.
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He's another ex-Bear on the Cowboys.
Undrafted rookie FA out of Montana or Wyoming last year. Played in a couple games with the Bears. Bengals picked him up and dropped him.
Cowboys are so desperate for d-line help that after this guy's performance against backups the other night he's being heralded as the next Bob Lilly.
I don't remember him, but you are right. My Cowboy buddy at work was talking about him like he was John Randle reincarnated... funny
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Just so I have this straight...
Tonight's game kicks off at 9 Central, and the NFLN broadcast starts at 10 Central? So, a 1 hour delay?
If so, I'm just gonna wait an hour and watch on TV rather than on the laptop or iPad...
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I don't think so. It is only two hours long so I am guessing they are joining it in progress. I would watch the way you have been until they start showing it.
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Well it would be nice to see Shea and Conte do something good tonight. And not in the 4th quarter. We shall see. Even though Trestman is not going to show his hand for the regular season, it would still be nice to not be embarrassed.
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Dave it also says it is live. So no one hour delay.
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Anybody getting any action on the CHICAGO - SEATTLE game ?
Please post it here. Whats happening ?
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Seattle had a nice return and the Bears had them on third and long after getting pressure. Then gave up the third and long on a pass. Got good pressure again and again gave up the third down.
Seattle scores on a run from Lynch.
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Geez, that was awful
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So the nfl preseason live is a complete joke. Stuttering, skipping and now stalled.
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Bears moved the ball pretty well but the drive stalled on a penalty. Marshall and Jeffries both dropped catchable passes that would have been huge gains. Not easy catches to make but both catchable.
Seattle up 7-0 starts at their own 11.
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Seattle was driving again. Bears were getting pressure but he was getting rid of it. Willie Young gets a sack.
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BS call for late hit on Briggs. Wilson slides last minute Briggs was already air born and did not hit him. They called it anyway.
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Jared Allen is not playing. Anyone know why?
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Soon to be 14-0 Seattle. They have had a lot of help with penalties. Bears are getting good pressure. But the defense is not looking very good.
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It's like we're playing with 10 guys
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On the bright side, overconfidence shouldn't be a problem...
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Jared Allen is not playing. Anyone know why?
They said sore shoulder. He wanted to play but they wouldn't let him.
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About to go down 21-0. *sigh*
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About to be 21 zip Seattle
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21-0 Seahawks.
At least Conte finally made a play.
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Defense must not have made the trip to Seattle ::)
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Wilson and the Seahawks are threading the needle though. They are on point.
Packers are going to get killed opening day...
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Wow....not seeing anything I was hoping for
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The punter took down the returner at the 10 though...
Yeah this sucks.
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Damn! It's gonna be 28-0 very soon...night one and all...
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28-0.
Those of you not watching the Bears are not getting owned man to man. They are getting out schemed. This is pre-season and Carroll is going all out to win.
Don't get me wrong the Bears need work and worst of all we have lost a few more players due to injury. Mundy and Fiametta have both left the game due to injury.
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Nice drive. TD Bears.
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They will probably spot it at the one after reviewing it.
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Total horseshit PI call on Marshall takes the TD pass to Rosario off the board...
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Horseshit
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Wow! Horseshit call against the Bears, a snap before Cutler is ready and he throws it up and picked.
28-0 Hawks with 15 ticks to go in the half.
It really is not as bad as it seems. The Bears are playing them tough but lots of penalties that kill our drives and extend theirs.
Now they just made a 59 yard field goal.
31-0 Seahawks at the half.
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Seahawks just rubbing it in. Embarrasing!
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Well Cutler didn't start the second half and Wilson did. I think that tells you who is going all out to win this game.
I knew before this game Trestman would not want to show his hand. I did not however think it would be this bad.
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Bears continue to get good pressure.
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Bears 2nd string D doing a good job against the Seahawk #1's. Well except Conte who missed the tackle...
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Goulde misses a 47 yd FG.
Wow. Nothing going right.
I guess the pre-season is the time to get a game like this out of the way.
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Jeez, even Gould misses a fairly easy field goal.
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Missed most of the first half because we had to listen to Tom Coughlin and Rex Ryan talk about some BS preseason game.
Maybe it was good for my blood pressure anyway.
I usually like watching the scrubs in PS games. Austen Lane is a stud - Trevor Scott was kind of quiet. Sutton is very active. Ego not as much but holds his ground. Khaseem Greene looks like last year's version. McClellan was pretty active. Vereen was invisible...not as invisible as Conte who got run over on a screen pass.
Offensively, I liked Carey. #72 on the left side held his own. 53 Groy was solid except for the last offensive play. Moss had a couple nice passes. Claussen over Palmer who had 2 delay of games.
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What did we learn?
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I only watched the first quarter and taped the rest. What I learned was that the D looked like keystone cops out there. Running around, not covering receivers, unorganized, and giving up 3rd down, especially with stupid penalties. The Dline was getting some pressure, but not enough. Maybe Allen playing will change that, I don't know. All I could see was Aaron Rodgers carving up the Bears.
Marshall and Jeffery had drops, maybe the Seahawks got into their heads. But Jay was forcing some passes as well.
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Yep, the little bit of the first half that I watched the D looked completely lost. I'll try to watch the whole thing today or tonight. It is preseason, so I won't take too much out of it, but it will be hard not to **** like hell, especially about the D..
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34-6,sheesh! Can't see a great deal of positives coming out of last night...I guess I'll go with it's only pre-season and look forward to the regular season :-\
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What did we learn?
If the Bears make the playoffs this year they wont get by Seattle. They are in a class by themselves.
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I was ranting at the TV last night but in retrospect it really wasn't as bad as the score would indicate. Pete Carroll is an ass. Up 34-0 late in the 4th and he throws the challenge flag? I just think Trestman goes about his preseason work while the Pete Carroll ego keeps his starters in against the Bears #2's.
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I figured before this game that Trestman was not going to show Carroll anything. He feels these two teams have a good chance of playing each other again when it really matters.
The Seahawks were running delayed blitzes and all kinds of **** on defense. The Bears O-line handled it pretty well.
Still would have liked to see them play better then they did. I am more concerned about injuries then anything.
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I am more concerned about injuries then anything.
So am I for that matter. For key personnel its important. For rubbish not so much.
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Our starting safety and fullback left the game with injuries so that is a concern.
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The Mundy injury could be big. He is our best safety based on his preseason play. He and Conte (yeah I know he sucked last year; totally agree) as a tandem is the best we can do. We NEED Mundy. I hope he is heathy.
I think R. Wilson is playing extremely well. He made plays against our D. But and its a big but…no J. Allen. He would have made a difference last night I am sure.
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I don't see this team being any better than last season.
The defense still stinks, the special teams are worse not only on coverage but in returns.
The offense will be the only thing that wins them some games.
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The Mundy injury could be big. He is our best safety based on his preseason play. He and Conte (yeah I know he sucked last year; totally agree) as a tandem is the best we can do. We NEED Mundy. I hope he is heathy.
I think R. Wilson is playing extremely well. He made plays against our D. But and its a big but…no J. Allen. He would have made a difference last night I am sure.
I don't think he would have made enough difference between winning and losing had he played. There are a number of teams had we played them where Allen would have been the difference between a win and a loss but not against the Seachickens as Phill calls them. I believe Carroll was determined to embarrass the Bears at all costs and did so.
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Glad I missed that "game".....sheesh....I don't believe the Bears will make the playoffs this year but I hope it won't be THAT bad!
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The one positive I take out of this was that it should knock some of the feel good out of the team. They haven't accomplished anything yet, and were being named division contenders and Super Bowl dark horse. A little reality check should keep their heads in place.
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One take from that game Bears fans should take is that making the playoffs might be harder than you think. While the defense might be somewhat better its not good enough to stop an elite team like the Seachickens. They scored every time they had the ball in the first half, even a 59 yard FG at the end, which wasn't even necessary. Seattle was hellbent on running up the score and that was proof enough for me right there.
Bears fans are going to have to wait till "Emery's kids" grow up a bit and get a few more classes of help.
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Picture a skeleton in a Bears sweatshirt sitting in his Lazyboy in front of the TV waiting for McClellan and Bostic to grow up.
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Well the game wasn't great but I will go on record right now, the Bears will make the playoffs this year.
The D is worrisome, but I think we have enough depth that once we get into the meat of the schedule other teams that don't have depth will fall off where we will not.
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You may think that Pete Carrol is an Ahole for running up the score and challenging and game planning, but what he really is is a win at all costs guy. I really like that. I understand the dont show your hand in a meaningless preseason game, but I also understand the get into the winning groove and stay there.
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I didn't catch most the first half but even though I think Pete Carroll is an ahole I don't blame him from using this PS game to sharpen his team's 2 minute drive to get a late field goal or do whatever he thought was necessary to succeed. It's the 3rd PS game after all.
And if the Bears didn't like what the Seahawks were doing they should have just stopped it.
I think going against possibly the best team in the NFL in your 3rd PS game will really help the team evaluate who they have and where they need to get better. Sure you'd like to see them play more competitively that's for sure.
One thing I'm concerned about is that if our offense faces a really tough defense that we will be hard pressed to win that game. Our defense, as it now stands will make mediocre offenses look good. We're going to need to out score teams.
Hopefully Allen and Fuller return and we get Mills back soon so the O-line gets some time together.
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BTW the replay of this debacle is scheduled for Monday noon to 3pm (Central).
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I agree, Carroll is a Superbowl winning head coach. He knows what it takes to win and prepare his team. I don't fault him at all. I have serious doubts about our D. I would've looked for Tuckers replacement this past off season..
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And if the Bears didn't like what the Seahawks were doing they should have just stopped it.
The trouble is they couldn't stop a pissant
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Glad to see the Bear Ace DC performing with his Ace players doing Ace plays. Btw, are the st coach and the DC
related? Same results. horrid.
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With Peanut being exposed in that game does that say anything about our pass defense this year?
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It might but no way for us to know. Where the Bears keeping it vanilla and the Seahawks going all out game planning to win? That is the problem with pre-season. Different coaches and teams are trying to get different things out of it.
Some teams want to put their players in bad situations to see how they handle it. Other simply want to win so do not expose players. I am not saying that was the case in this game but we simply can not know. As fans we just want to win and look good doing it. In pre-season some coaches would rather evaluate players then win.
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Game planning, coach hating or not, the Seahawks bat the Bears man on man all over the field.
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It might but no way for us to know. Where the Bears keeping it vanilla and the Seahawks going all out game planning to win? That is the problem with pre-season. Different coaches and teams are trying to get different things out of it.
Some teams want to put their players in bad situations to see how they handle it. Other simply want to win so do not expose players. I am not saying that was the case in this game but we simply can not know. As fans we just want to win and look good doing it. In pre-season some coaches would rather evaluate players then win.
I understand vanilla, but how do you evaluate Tillman after that performance? That's a former Pro Bowl CB who was owned.
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He was also owned by Ramses Barden of the Giant's a few years ago in pre season and went on to make the pro bowl.
Hard to tell what it means if anything.
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Tillman looked slow. I hope he was saving it for when it counts. Briggs looked old fat and slow. That is NOT a good combo for our supposed best LB.
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I really can't comment on the first half as I haven't seen it yet (probably tonight). But regardless of who was game-planning to win you have to watch the individual match ups especially on the line. Defensively, I'll be watching the middle - specifically Paea and Ratliff, DJ Williams and our safeties. If they were getting whipped as they were last season no game plan is going to make any difference.
In regard to the recent cuts, Jordan Senn the special team LBer cut pretty much means that the highly touted FA LBer from FSU should make the team Christian Jones.
I'd bet we bring in a safety from somewhere else before all is said and done.
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Not making excuses for them, but after so many years, I imagine it's tough for Peanut and Briggs and other grizzled vets to get completely motivated for preseason games...
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We have long said that a defensive backs best friend is a good pash rush. I would think the lack of Jared Allen in this game was a factor.
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Watched the first half last night. Bears front 4 did pretty well, especially rushing the passer. Houston and Willie Young were very active. I think the biggest factor in that game was Russell Wilson. He made numerous plays that only he could make. I wouldn't be surprised seeing the Bears swap out the entire front 4 for the 2nd team with Scott, Lane, Ferguson and Sutton. And Young will get some snaps on 3rd down when it looks like they will be moving Houston inside for Paea.
McClellan just always seems to be a step late to the play. Briggs will be OK - sure didn't need that late hit that extended a Seattle drive. Bostic played a lot of MLB but I still think DJ Williams will continue to get most of the snaps when their not in pass defense mode.
And I liked Conte out there. He made a couple plays but he did whiff on that screen pass. As for McCray the current starting FS - totally invisible. It looks like Mundy suffered a face laceration so he should be good to go. He's the best safety.
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From the Trib:
What happened: With the Bears behind 14-0 and craving a big play, Cutler was locked in on his favorite receiver from the snap, firing a pass to Marshall that was a bit wide. The Pro Bowl receiver dived to make the grab. But officials ruled the ball hit the ground first.
Zoom out review: Trestman didn’t address this play specifically Monday. But he was most certainly alluding to it when he mentioned Cutler’s failure to find the proper check-down reads in Seattle. On this particular play, running back Matt Forte leaked out of the backfield and found himself standing all alone in the middle of the field with no defender within seven yards. Instead, Cutler tried to squeeze a throw into Marshall, who had three Seahawks defenders near him.
This is exactly what drives me nuts about Cutler...trying to force a ball into coverage when the checkdown receiver is wide open. Shoot Cutler could have run for that first down. Hopefully in a real game he makes the better decision.
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Also, I hope Chris Mills is good to go. I like Ola but he got beat way too many times Friday night. A few incomplete passes were the result of pressure on the right side. I thought Bushrod and Long had solid games. Slauson was so-so and Garza not so good.
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Looks like Fales will play the whole game.
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Guys who will mostly not even make our team are beating the Browns first and second stringers.
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I think we keep Santonio Holmes. Nice work as a receiver and a returner tonight.
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I think we keep Santonio Holmes. Nice work as a receiver and a returner tonight.
Yeah Peke, Holmes trying hard to make the cut, looking pretty good...
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Bellamy looking sharp as well
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Fales may be tough to sneak on to the practice squad now. May have to keep him on the active roster.
Yes Bellamy has been a beast tonight.
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Fales playing well, making good throws....won't last on the practice squad.
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I don't feel that bad right now if Cutler got hurt for a few games. Clausen and Fales could probably get us thru a bit. Holmes looks good as did Bellamy, but is there room on the 53 for both or either of them?
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That piece on Forte running sprints up a hill with Anthony Adams was kind of cool.
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Bears may have fallen into a bed of roses with holmes. nice moves. smooth. I have to admit, manzel is fun to watch. Video game moves. It'll be cool until one of those monsters on the other side blasts him to smithereens.
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boogie Anthony Adams does videos on the Bears site all the time. The guy is funny.
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Grossman! Really? He's in the game and he's leading the Browns down the field...
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Peke, I have seen Adams before he is hilarious.
And Rex is shredding our back up D. Tucker needs to go. Just saying.
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1st post in awhile. Watching the game online....
David Fales..... it says it all tonite......
Seriously.. is it possible to miss on a 6th (If I recall correctly) round pick ? )...... probably not...
The D may be a dumpster fire.....
Just saw Peanut Tillman on the sideline and was asked "Is this a talented D team" and he blinked a lot and looked uncomfortable.....
Tucker instills no confidence.....
Unfortunately D Camillis doesnt either....
If only Lovie was smart enough to want Trestman as OC instead of the stiffs he chose......
The good news is all teams in the NFL are in the Superbowl hunt atm.....
I had a dream last year where Trestman was lifting the SB trophy on the TV in the background (albeit other things were going on in the dream as well- I won't go into those :D)....
I'm prepared for the roller coaster ride that is the NFL season !
Bear Down.......
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Yeah, I have zero confidence in the D, even with the talent infusion. And it kind of sucked that Jordan Lynch didn't really get much of a chance except for 6 straight runs. No imagination from Trestman, just wanted to run out the clock. And why did Fales look good in the first half and blow chunks in the second? The only guy who I really noticed that didn't play in the second half was Holmes....
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Was VERY impressed with Bellamy tonight. That kid is going to be good. He made a great catch along the sideline and then rocketed up the sideline gaining another 8 or so yards. Would be nice if they could find a place for the kid because I don't think he lasts on the practice squad.
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Agreed, Bellamy just might have played his way on to the roster as the 6th wideout. And Santonio Holmes definitely nailed a spot.
I'm kind of lukewarm on Fales. Granted he didn't have a very good line and played a lot of the game with 3rd level receivers but I'm not sure I'd save a spot on the 53 man roster.
But what bothered me was that hardly anyone else showed much. I have been watching Ryan Groy for a few games and he blew chunks tonight. I don't know if he's even worth a PS spot. Same goes for #72 Leno at LT.
Boggs is probably the best guy on the O-line. And the old guy #73 at RT was pretty solid.
But they didn't play Ola tonight so he showed them enough filling in for Mills. And Britten played some RG so I'd guess he's going to make the team.
As for TE....#87 isn't going to make the team.
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Really disappointed with my bubble guys on defense. #94 Cornelius Washington may be a work out wonder but I think he's headed for the PS...if he's lucky.
The guy that looked to be the most active DE was the guy on the bottom of the totem pole...#91 Bass. If they keep 10 d-lineman he's #10. Trevor Scott was held out so he makes the team and I like the play of Austen Lane.
Linebacking was atrocious. #53 Franklin plays special teams and might make the team by default. The steal #96 Christian Jones didn't impress me either. #60 DD Latimore might be the best LB of the bunch.
Hurst was one of the few DBs to make any plays. He has an outside chance to make the team. #39 and #25 CJ Wilson might make the PS.
The punter looked good. And I'm not sure that Chris Wiliams or Senorise Perry made the team. Neither can block a lick.
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My bet is, everyone will be calling for Tuckers head by the end of the season. We'll have another wasted year of a good QB/offense.. The only part of the D that looked decent through all of preseason is the the line, everything behind the line looks lost..
Yes, I understand it's preseason and doesn't mean a thing. Let the season begin and we shall see..
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Chif, I'm tending to agree with you. I noticed one play in particular. It was near the goal, maybe twenty yards out. Bears on D, Browns driving for a score. I'm watching this play develop and my instinct is this is going to be a pass in the flat and that someone on D needs to see this and react and jump it and intercept. Nope. The play developed just like I thought it would. The D falls back into a zone scheme, the reciever gets underneath and picks up a easy first down. They go on to score. We'll see but I don't see anything that makes me think this D is going to be improved from last year much.....
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Ditto. I didn't see anything defensively that instilled confidence in me that the team defense is much improved. The back 9 is just horrible.
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I thought Christian Jones showed enough promise to keep. Usually teams have a lot of LB and CB types on the back end of the roster to play ST. I think if you try to stash Jones on the PS he gets snarfed up quickly. Just too much potential. I thought Corny Washington looked decent.
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I wish there was a list of all the guys that are eligible for the PS. Must look for that today.
And if you can see the Browns carving up the D, wait until you see what Aaron Rodgers does to it. Just saying.
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Hold on a minute. That D you saw out there was made up of a lot of 3rd stringers. None of the DTs will be on the team. The DEs that played were not among the top 4. Maybe the 6th best LBer got some action. And maybe one CB and one safety that played make the team.
Last night was all about individual performances. I thought this was an excellent opportunity for the Bears backups to against first string talent. I thought as a team they did pretty well...early on.
Offensively, we basically started our 4th best QB if you include Palmer who was 3rd string.
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I thought Christian Jones showed enough promise to keep. Usually teams have a lot of LB and CB types on the back end of the roster to play ST. I think if you try to stash Jones on the PS he gets snarfed up quickly. Just too much potential. I thought Corny Washington looked decent.
I isolated on Washington most of the game. He got a few double teams, but he frequently would get fooled on bootlegs and was constantly glued to his blocker. (I do admit Washington appeared to be getting held a bunch of times).
Bass seemed much more fluid.
Christian Jones could make this team...but it will be primarily on potential. It will be between him and Jerry Franklin who is OK - nothing special but does play a lot of special teams.
I think players 51 thru 53 on this roster may be coming from other teams.
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Hold on a minute
I am still waiting, but I think we will have to wait till next year to see any dramatic improvement in the defense. I still say if I look at the last 2 PS games total together the back 9 just suck horribly. To expect major improvement in the defense is like believing there is a man in the moon who does eat green cheese. Sorry I just don't buy that.
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I think Washington got more playing time last night than he has gotten since he was drafted (probably combined).
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I agree. Unless Tucker is saving all of his "good" plays for when the season counts, our LBs and DBs were getting picked apart. And not just the guys who are going to get cut who played last night. ALL PRESEASON.
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I don't expect a whole lot from the D but if we show some significant improvement over last year then I am satisfied. I think it's completely unrealistic to think that we can go from as bad as we were to playoff favorites in one season. This will be a better Bears team than last year (if healthy) and I will enjoy it.
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The 2012 Bears were near the bottom offensively. They added a TE and 4 new lineman and got lucky health-wise and were near the top of the league offensively. Having McNown helped.
Not saying we'll see that dramatic of an improvement for our defense from 2013 to 2014 but they too made some changes and if they can keep healthy should be improved. But I agree there are question marks (relating to age, injury history and just poor play) associated with every starting defensive player...except for maybe Lamar Houston.
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I think Emery did an effective job patching the DLine but there aren't enough draft picks to overhaul the whole defense. Will that be enough to carry this team to the playoffs? Right now I have enough doubts about that. Ask me again come halfway through the season
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I agree that the O turnaround was due in part to the Oline staying healthy and playing well, but lets not discount the impact Trestman/Kromer added. And I am sorry but I just don't see Mel Tucker adding anything.
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Good point. But Trestman/Kromer couldn't have been AS successful without a solid pass-blocking o-line. And I do give Kromer credit for Long and Mills progress especially.
As for Tucker his d-line talent was among the worst in the NFL - lowest in sacks.
Games are often won in the trenches.
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Ask me again come halfway through the season
Are you sure you'll know by then? Maybe we should wait until after the season.
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Keys, what do you call significant improvement (I'm assuming you're talking about the D side of the ball). To me significant would mean middle ranking, let's say middle to upper teens (ranking). If this D ended up being ranked 15th in the league I would say they've improved "significantly". If they can do that, I see this team easily being a playoff team. This offense is top five (stay healthy could be top in the NFC), but we need at least a semi decent D to get anywhere.
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The thing that just drives me nuts about the D is they will get 3rd and long and give it up. I don't see that changing this year. How many 20+ plays did Rex Grossman have in a row last night? It was 4 or 5. Sure you can say the talent wasn't out there, but that is in part scheme and coaching.
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Keys, what do you call significant improvement (I'm assuming you're talking about the D side of the ball). To me significant would mean middle ranking, let's say middle to upper teens (ranking). If this D ended up being ranked 15th in the league I would say they've improved "significantly". If they can do that, I see this team easily being a playoff team. This offense is top five (stay healthy could be top in the NFC), but we need at least a semi decent D to get anywhere.
I would also consider middle of the pack as significant
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The thing that just drives me nuts about the D is they will get 3rd and long and give it up. I don't see that changing this year. How many 20+ plays did Rex Grossman have in a row last night? It was 4 or 5. Sure you can say the talent wasn't out there, but that is in part scheme and coaching.
Scheme can only do so much on 3rd down. A good pass rush helps as do DBs and LBers that can stay with receivers.
Last night not only was our regular talent missing but I'd bet they were not exactly showing off the schemes they will be using during the season.
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Man I hope you are right. We shall see.
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One of the major goals of preseason is keep your team off IR.
We lost the TE Zach Miller and although he was looking like a solid contributor he wasn't a starter. We'll see what happens with Marques Wilson...crossing my fingers that they can keep him on the roster or at worse put him on the special IR list.
Defensively, we'll have to see how the middle holds up. Paea and Ratliff were in there last year when our defense was a sieve so I don't know how much better they will be. We do have the 2 rookies to keep them fresher. And I haven't seen enough of DJ Williams to feel confident in him - I just know he's an improvement over Bostic. And Conte is coming off a tough season and Mundy is new to the team.
On the outside, I'm OK with Tillman, Jennings, and Fuller all our DEs, and Briggs and even McClellan figuring he will be subbed out half the time.
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Ask me again come halfway through the season
Are you sure you'll know by then? Maybe we should wait until after the season.
While everybody wants to lock up a sure thing and wait till the end for their predictions. That wasn't my point. The point was that the first half of the season contains the roadies and the tougher matchups. If we get through that with flying colors and the defense holds I expect the 2nd half to be a lock barring key injuries. We don't have the quality depth to sustain major injuries because Angiblow left the cupboard bare
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Keys, what do you call significant improvement (I'm assuming you're talking about the D side of the ball). To me significant would mean middle ranking, let's say middle to upper teens (ranking). If this D ended up being ranked 15th in the league I would say they've improved "significantly". If they can do that, I see this team easily being a playoff team. This offense is top five (stay healthy could be top in the NFC), but we need at least a semi decent D to get anywhere.
The only problem I have with what you said is that while I agree with the Bears being top 5 offense last year, we are talking about last year. This is this year. Teams catch up and catch onto what a team did last year. There is no guarantee the offense can duplicate what it did last year.
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If we are at or near 500 after the first half of the schedule with all the away games I will be happy. Anything better then that and I will be thrilled.
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If we are at or near 500 after the first half of the schedule with all the away games I will be happy. Anything better then that and I will be thrilled.
That's my feelings too.
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Bills will face Bears without Stephon Gilmore
Posted by Josh Alper on September 7, 2014, 12:07 PM EDT
Kelvin Benjamin, Stephon Gilmore
AP
When facing the Bears and wide receivers Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery, cornerback is not a spot where you want to be shorthanded.
It’s a tough draw for the Bills on Sunday, then, because their top cornerback is going to miss the game. Stephon Gilmore was listed as questionable on Friday because of a groin injury and he was declared inactive on Sunday morning.
That leaves the Bills with Corey Graham to start in Gilmore’s place across from Leodis McKelvin and it also bumps Nickell Robey, Ron Brooks and Ross Cockrell into potentially bigger roles in the season opener.
It’s hardly an ideal way for the Bills to start a season that’s already been plagued by stories of issues between coach Doug Marrone and parts of the front office against the backdrop of a coming change in ownership. They’ll need the pass rush to show that the loss of defensive coordinator Mike Pettine wasn’t a major one if they’re going to keep a potent Bears passing attack from having a big day.
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Well that cant hurt. But they have two really good RBs, and stopping the run was our weakness last year. Lets see how that works out.
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Good run D. Three and out for the Bills. Nice start.
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YES! Nice pass and catch to Jeffries!!!
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TD BEARS!!!
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Offense looking good!
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Defense looking like ****!!
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D still sucks and gives up a long drive.
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Well, not much has changed defensively......ugh
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Easy TD by Buffalo.. D not having a good start..
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Well, that sucked eggs... :'(
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Special teams not starting well either
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Now Cut's throwin em short.....
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Whats with the trickery plays?
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Cutler got blown up there. Two different O-line got beat and quickly.
hopefully the D gets their head out of their ass.
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Two new DE's....still no QB pressure......terrible
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Finally got some pressure and stopped them.
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we need more pressure from the front line..
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They are getting Forte going now.
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wtf
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Damn it!
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10-7 Bills.
The Bears D seems to be getting a handle on what the Bills are doing.
That fumble and return killed us.
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whats with wearing out the WR screen?
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Bears mistakes are going to end them.
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Fricking stupid sideline passes needing 20 yards....drives me nuts
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Bennett showed a little speed right there
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Great we just lost Slauson. That looked awkward I bet he is done for the day maybe the season.
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Sporty you got to mix it up can't go down field every play. They got the first down. In large part due to a short RB screen that picked up most of the yardage needed.
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****!
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Cut on a bonehead throw....great....wheels coming off already...
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(http://i500.listal.com/image/3170273/500full.jpg)
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17-7 against the Buffalo Bills juggernaut. At home. The opener. Dave the Wanny 2.0. Better pick it boys, its a long season.
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Corey Graham. Or ex=players always have their best games against us.
Bennet was at fault there. That was a lazy ass route.
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we lucked out there
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Boy oh boy, bad ball position on that throw. VERY lucky it was int'd. Is this going to be one of those 3 int Cut games?
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WTH is with Cut throwing balls short?? That was a terrible throw!
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Man, we are sucking big... And against a Buffalo team..
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Cutler back to trying to cram it in to marshall. Line getting beat up front. Throwing off back foot. The offense it supposed to be good.
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He had to get rid of it because he was about to get sacked. Are you watching the same game I am Sporty?
I am not making excuses but he has to either throw it away or throw it short hoping the receiver comes back to it. If not you get an INT.
The Bills are owning the new guard and Garza is getting exposed now as well with out Slauson.
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I am pissed as the rest of you but there is lot's of blame to go around just like last year. Can't just blame it on Cutler.
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You guys weren't expecting something great were you?
The games they win this year will even be a struggle. Trestman is no head coach. OC yes, head coach no.
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WOW! Nothing going or way. The returner drops it and it bounces right back to him...
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Bears are going completely looney tunes. horrible half. oh, a can't stop the run now. buf will score again before half.
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Conte being Conte. Wozzers. This D is not looking improved at all.
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Look a gaping hole and Conte misses the tackle...
I wasn't expecting great things but I wasn't expecting the Bills to beat us.
I was expecting a 500 club at the mid point of the season.
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Got lucky there with the penalty.
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Peke, you were expecting a playoff team. I wasn't. And yea, that is on Cut. That wasn't the only short throw he's made this game....
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a stop. fantastic.
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Lance Briggs needs to go manage his restaurant and take take Conte with him. Maybe he can be a waiter.
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I was expecting a 500 team at the mid point with a chance to make for a push for the play offs from there.
As bad as they have played it has been stupid **** here and there. What is disappointing is that it is the Bills!
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BOOOOOO!! ....couldn't agree more myself.....
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Bears fired a guy that won 10 games the year before. This is better? What's going to happen in SF? GB?
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hopefully we can see some halftime adjustments.
The Bills have a pretty good DL.
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Yeah SF and GB are going to score 50+. Cutler started so good, and then started throwing everything short. That last pass to Marshall was in the dirt short of his feet. And into double coverage. Jay needs to go in and check his sugar levels, I think they are off.
I haven't seen Jarred Allen do anything yet. Conte started off pretty good, but then had a few whiffs. And that 47 or was it 57 yard run the Bills ripped off gave me flashbacks to last year. I second sending Briggs to his restaurant with Conte as a waiter.
This is going to be a very very long year. And if Slausen is out for any amount of time, even more so.
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And all of the Mel Tucker defenders, lets see what half time adjustments he makes. Like maybe NOT giving up conversions on third down???
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If Bears are going to win this game, Cut needs to get his head out and the D needs to stop them on 3rd and forever. And Allen, helloooo....anyone there? We need some pressure on the QB. The ONLY one bringing it is the guy from Detoilet....go figure....
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Peppers, Allen, oh boy.
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nice screen.
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So far we have lost Slauson, Garza and Jeffries.
I could tell Garza was sucking ass after Slausen went out. I guess he was injured as well. The Center play is noticeably better with the back up in. Snaps are better also.
Now if the receivers would catch the damn ball.
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CONTE INT!
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Nice play by Conte! Unbelievably....
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Need to take this one to the house!
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Keep in mind, this is Buffalo.. Man oh man!
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should've been another Cut int.
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Yeah, pretty sad we're playing catchup to these mugs. Cutler
lucked out on that play. Now Morgan down....great!
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TD BEARS!!!
Bills are head hunting.
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TD BEARSSSS!!!
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Can't win this without the D showing up. Where's Allen?? Looking more like Peppers....
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There is the pass rush!
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Typical dirty Shwartz defense. They are trying and succeeding in hurting out receivers.
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Forgot about that Schwartz ****. I see blows to the head are still in his coaching arsenal.
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Sporty Allen is actually being double teamed. Peppers wasn't. If Willie Young keeps making plays they might start doubling him then watch Allen go off.
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How do you lose two starting OL and two starting WR in the first game of the year? **** ridiculous!
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Ref's gifting the bears.
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it would be the first time, they must still be upset at how bad the Packers got beat.
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Seriously Cutler! That was all on Cutler!
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Cut you dipshit!! WTH are you doing?!???
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He should have ran for it or at least tried instead of forcing the ball into quadruple coverage....what a dumbarse....
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Dumb play call, dumb throw, dumb coaching staff, dumb decision, dumb team.
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is Jeffrey still injured or is he back in as well?
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He's hurt
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4mins....just enough time for Cut to throw his third pick of the day to end all hope..... ::)
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how is the D doing now, especially our LBs?
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WE may just very well lose this **** game..
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D is playing about as good as it'll get. But Buffalo's offense is not that great either.
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either it's O holding or not...
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Ref's pick up flag and gift the bear some more.
Total hold...
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That wasn't holding is why they picked it up.
Should have never been thrown just because the defender was crying for it.
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Hold and you know it.
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Have no idea hold or not.....but strange that they'd pick a flag up. Don't see that too often.
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Dangerous throw!!! Don't throw a pick here, Cut!
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Another throw that easily could have been a pick....sheesh....
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Overtime coming..
And, we got paid back by a no call right there..
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They showed it on replay there was no hold.
The Bears have gotten some favorable calls this game but that wasn't one of them. As a Packer fan whose team always get **** called their way you should recognize a favorable call better then that.
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OT vs the lowly Billys at home.... ::)
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Cut's determined to get that third pick.....need to go a bit safer here....
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Yep....he really wants that third pick. Ridiculous....this guy ain't taking us anywhere.....can't even get his mechanics straight!!
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this may be it
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thats it.. Lost to the lowly **** Bills
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THERE'S the Conte we know and 'love'! What a friggin tool...... game's over fellas....0-1 against the fricking Billys at home, yet...
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OK nothing has been fixed.
Conte still **** up, Cutler still **** up.
Time to go enjoy the rest of the day. It is to nice outside for this ****.
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I think I need to revise my original prediction from 8-8 to 'maybe' 6-10......pathetic football....
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yep, good year to ditch the ticket!
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Cutler still sucks, Conte shouldn't even be on this team and Tucker....pfft.....time for a replacement....what a friggin mess....
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Man, I expect at some point this season we are going to really wish we had taken care of the Bills.
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Nav, ain't gonna matter. We'll lose twice to Detoilet and the Pakers and probably even once to the Queens. We aren't going anywhere this season....and it makes me sick to my stomach not having McCown. Cutler's in whatever season, what 6? Whatever. His mechanics still suck, throws into coverage and makes utterly stupid decisions too much of the time. We're screwed.....
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Cant wait for Dallas to say what excuses Tucker had for not stopping the run or getting to Manuel. The D still sucks, although not quite as bad as last year. Cutler was throwing off his back foot. **** I could see it on TV, you mean nobody at Soldier Field could see it and say something???
I think Garzas days are over, but Slausen really hurts. We need Jeffery back, and a gimpy Marshall isn't doing anyone any favors trying to tough it out. I am revising my season prediction down as well. Very very disappointed right now.
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Agree that Cutlers decision making is poor. He just forces way too many passes to Marshall or whoever is triple covered. I mean come on man.
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Went in to this season not expecting much but good grief, I DID expect to be able to beat the friggin Bills at home! Can't do that and this season could get real real ugly real fast.....
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There goes my hope for a 4-4 first half of the season
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I agree with those saying we are really going to wish we had this game later in year. We will fall short of playoffs by 1 game; you can just feel it.
I have always been big Cutler supporter, but I have to say with this offensive system, we would be better off with a game manager type. A guy who won't win it or lose it for you. A guy that can make the easy check down throws.
Conte still sucks. He always make some INT's but can't open field tackle. McCellelan was non existent (did he play?).
I really think we are in trouble this year. Schedule is tough next few weeks. We seem soft everywhere.
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I am now thinking we are going to end up with a really high draft pick. I wonder how much it would cost to go with an early pick QB and dump Cutler....
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Shea did play, but did nothing. Just like Jarred Allen. Sigh. We have a bunch of holes to fill, and big ones at that. I am very disappointed right now.
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I think I may have to downgrade my feelings for 8-8 to 7-9. I just didn't see playoffs this year. Dallas's superbowl hopes are probably on his Cowgirls
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Right now I think 7-9 is optimistic.
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What a mess. 10 wins? Bwahahahahahahahhhhh!
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The last time the Bears lost their season opener that was also their home opener was 2004. Their final record was 5-11
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Peanut looks old and slow.
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I think the Marshall fumble was the turning point. I wish Cutler had thrown that second one into the stands and took the FG but I amnot going to complain about 350 passing yards and 2 TD's. Those longing for McCown are clearly not watching the Tampa game.
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Honestly it's irrelevant what he does in Tampa. What he did while he was here was outstanding. Could that have carried on to this season? Who knows, really. It's possible. But at this point I think we're gonna get a high pick as well and we should consider a replacement QB. It's way to early though, but what we're seeing is him making those stupid decisions that kill a drive, kill a score. We just have a huge mess all over the field. Defense is terrible again.....gonna be a long season....thank God for ND for me.
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Cutler seriously struggled at times. He could've easily had 4-5 picks today. To compare McCown in Tampa to McCown here is comparing apples to oranges. With that said, wouldn't have mattered, Cutler's the starter and he would've started today no matter. I like Cutler, but man, he's gotta quit with the stupid mistakes. Green Bay would've crushed us today. Next week should really be something to watch..
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Yeah if you mean something ugly to watch, I agree. 49rs crushing the Cowboys.
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I know...apples and oranges but McCown just threw his 2nd int to go with his total 70 yards passing.
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That's Lovie for ya.
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I think if we end up 5-11 or worse we then better consider the best Dline/LB available when we pick. Its about time we started addressing our deficiencies. Briggs is done and DJ is on a one year contract. We need to start drafting some speed players on defense
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Cody Prewitt
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That #9 for ND is no slouch either
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Draft talk already…sigh…its going to be one of those years….sigh. Playoffs, Playoffs….just wish we could one day talk about watching our beloved Bears in the playoffs. Aint going to be this year.
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I am not ready to call it a season but I am really disappointed. I expected better.
On the other hand with the real life losses in my family this past year I can't get to torn up about a game. Keep some perspective. If it drives you crazy don't watch.
My guess is the Bears actually rebound and beat some tough opponents. If they don't at least it is a game lost not a family member.
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Draft talk already…sigh…its going to be one of those years….sigh. Playoffs, Playoffs….just wish we could one day talk about watching our beloved Bears in the playoffs. Aint going to be this year.
I just wish we had the talent to make the playoffs. Sorry that talking about more talent for the team bothers you. And you know we need it.
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Peke - Family ok ?
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No doubt we do. I don't care if you talk about it just stinks that we have to start so early.
Pekin I hear ya, not the end of the world. Just like you a bit disappointed. Hopefully be able to have a couple big wins in the next few weeks.
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My brother lost his wife suddenly last December. My nephew on my wifes side lost his 9 month old son two months ago. Which was right before my wife had to have surgery to remove a tumor on her spinal cord.
My wife is well on her way to a full recovery but lets just say I have learned the life lesson that no matter how bad stuff is someone else is suffering more. The Bears losing a game is not the end of the world.
Try and keep it in perspective. Things that would of had me climbing the walls a year ago are minor annoyances now.
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Sorry for your losses. You're absolutely right that our disappointment should be short.
It's the players, coaches and manager jobs on the line if they don't get the job done, not ours.
It sure makes a difference not having a star player on defense like Urlacher anymore.
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Cant wait for Dallas to say what excuses Tucker had for not stopping the run or getting to Manuel.
Does Tucker wear pads?
Emery's 2 high priced FA DEs BOTH did Julius Peppers impersonations. They each had one tackle...that's it. The guy that really played his a$$ off was Willie Young. He was constantly applying pressure.
Bostic and Briggs were consistently faked out of their shoes by EJ Manuel's ball fakes. McClellan was quiet and did DJ Williams play.
Conte made a hugh play that helped the Bears score a TD but again missed a couple open field tackles. Really the best tackler among the back 7 is Tim Jennings.
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Everybody's going to rag on Cutler and that last pick was ill-advised. You never throw back across the field. Bennett and Marshall were open but they just stood there waving their hands while the rest of the defense caught up to them. And I don't know what the heck Holmes was doing pass blocking on the play when the play was a rollout to his side. Unbelievable.
But here's my biggest beef for this game. Over 50 pass plays and 18 runs...shades of Mike Martz. When you throw that many times you're bound to get a couple sacks and picks. No balance. It also means your wide receivers are going to be taking a lot of hits all day.
We need a big back that can pick up 3rd and 1, but in Chicago that's shotgun formation and a passing down.
And please cut Spurlock. He dropped 2 easy catches. Re-sign that Bellamy kid.
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If ya don't get excited about the games, one way or another... why watch?
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-dan-wiederer-brad-biggs-break-down-bears-loss-video-20140907-premiumvideo.html
pretty much sums it up
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SF will beat them like a drum
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Agreed, Peke. Glad to hear your wife is doing better! I've been having my own fun lately. Had a bronchitis that wouldn't go away and had a xray done on my chest and it showed a abnormality so I need to go get another done this week sometime. That will shake your world up a bit. It's probably nothing but the doc said it could be anything even all the way up to the 'big hitters'. I don't smoke and never have so that's a big plus on my side. But my uncle is dying from esophogeal cancer, the same thing that took my mom 13 years ago. My wifes mom and dad have had health probs this year. Mom had heart surgery to open up arteries and Dad had double knee replacement surgery. Seems to be the year for health issues. Strange how it runs in cycles like that....
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Well now that I am sober I am thinking about how the D at the start of the game seemed to be swarming to the ball, but by the end of the game not so much. Don't know if they just got wore out, or it was a scheme or coaching change. If it wasn't for Cutlers dunder head plays, we should have won yesterday. The D giving up 20 pts and yards and yards isn't good, but we should have scored more than we did. And I was also thinking that besides Allen being invisible so was Houston. Willie Young was the only DE doing squat. And although Conte did make a few plays he also whiffed on some tackles. Sigh.
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I agree, the first thing I noticed was the D getting to the ball. Then they seemed to revert back to the same D from last season..
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Our D-line was able to stalemate the Bills' O-line. They weren't penetrating but they weren't getting blown off the LOS.
The problem was the Bills running backs had too much time to pick a hole and our linebackers would commit too early or chase after someone who didn't have the ball and take themselves out of the play leaving a gaping hole.
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Trib said last night that the Bears were going to sign a Vikings PS player...Ahmad Dixon.
He played safety at Baylor and was a 7th rounder of the Cowboys. Undisicplined and kind of a head hunter. After getting a 15 yarder for hitting a defenseless receiver in preseason - he said he'd do it again. More of an in the box guy who could be called on to play special teams if the rumors hold.
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Maybe he'll hit Conte r Briggs, or even DJ Williams who did zero yesterday.
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Lions up 14-0. Boy are we ever going to suck in the North. Last place instead of first place.
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That Det DL is going to have Cutler throwing off his back foot every single time. I would say 4-5 ints easy.
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Cutler reminds me of Grossman. Give him time and he will pick you apart, get pressure on him and he will start throwing picks..
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Pretty much like any QB, even Manning in the super bowl
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Look at every defensie player...I think our best D player was Willie Young and Ticker only used him 11 snaps. INSANE
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Actually 21 snaps. But it was evident that the Bills rookie RT was struggling with Young's speed.
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OK 21....Huston and Allen were useless.
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This is going to be such a blow out. No defense, injured offense, no special teams threat.
Trestman is the new Dick Jauron. Useless.
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JBN...you say it's a blowout because of "no defense, "injured offense" and "no special teams threat". Maybe so but why does that make Trestman useless? He's had ONE game since we finally spent some effort to help the D through the draft or signed Defensive FA's. How does he control offensive injuries? Trestman didn't keep Devin Hester? I think that's a GM call. Does Trestman owe you money or something?
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He probably wishes Angiblow was still here
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FWIW, per Schefter source "75 percent" sure Marshall and Jeffery sit out. Looking like Bears will have to join the 12% club.
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Word is both Jeffery and Marshall will be out. Can the Bears forfeit?? Glad I'll be eating out with the family for my father in laws Bday....man, to watch this massacre would give me a coronary....
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If it's any consolation both 49ers starting cornerbacks may be out: Brock and Culliver which still gives the 49ers a big advantage if we're starting Bellamy and Holmes.
Bears just got to win the battles on the LOS on both sides and as Dick Juaron would say...keep it close once they get to the 4th quarter.
And if it was my father-in-law having a birthday today I'd tell him...how about brunch? The only way I'm missing a Bears game is if I have a funeral to go to...like my own.
Speaking of funerals...when is game time 7 or 7:30?
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Nice going Dallas, invoking Dick juaron. WTH are you thinking?????
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Great terrible return and holding...
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Three and out. Niners will have fantastic field position. This game is going to get ugly quickly...
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And a blocked punt...
Figures...
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Delay of game not called. Niners up 7-0.
This is going to be an epic beat down.
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Could the Bears record for the biggest victory in NFL history (73-0 over the Redskins) be in jeopardy tonight?
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The really frustrating part of this season is we are flat out getting out coached IMO.
Our team; ST, O, and D just don't seem prepared. Players seem to be constantly out of position.
Now I realize its early, but damn if it keeps up, really makes you wonder which direction is this team heading?
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Did Jim Hendry take over the Bears and it wasn't announced?
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Even when things seem to go right with a pick and a nice return. Some bone head blocks a guy in the back who is on the ground and they will give the ball back to the Niners anyway because Tillman appears to have let the nose touch the ground. Hopefully there is another angle that shows he controlled it but doubt it. Nothing will go the Bears way tonight.
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Close it wasn't moving but won't go out way.
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C'mon bears....geez they look bad
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Very possibly the worst team in NFL history.
0-16 is definitely on the table.
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To go from that top letting them get a first with a penalty.
This team is so frustrating!
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The Bears have an equal amount of total yards and penalty yards at the moment.
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Almost unwatchable?
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3rd and10 and it's easy for them
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How can you give up 3rd and long so often?
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NFL coaches are **** stupid. Why would any team pass against the Bears when they could run?
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Can't stop them on third and short either. Oh and a penalty to boot.
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Now they have double the penalty yards they do offensive yards.
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1st quarter and the Bears defense all have their hands on their hips...
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It's like giving a major league baseball team 5 outs...
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Did Cris Collinsworth just refer to Ryan Mundy as a "star player"?
Shouldn't he be down at the local gloryhole doing what he's best at?
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10-0 Niners.
The returner needs to not return it. Our ST suck and our ST coach does to.
I would rather start at the 20 then the 10 or worse.
Oh he muffed it for the second time. At least it keeps him from returning it...
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All phases look un-coordinated
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Dropped passes are killing us!
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That has to be the 5th one already.
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There's a bailout.
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We need it. The Niners got their share
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Refs will call it incomplete. That is the way tonight will go.
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Yep.
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That was a bad call.
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Feels like a shutout. Maybe a late score after the game's decided.
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And a terrible punt
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He had control and both feet in then it got smacked by the defender and he regained control before going out of bounds. But they are going to lose anyway so who gives a **** at this point.
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It's men against boys. SF is about 10 trillion x's more physical than the Bears.
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He was definitely stopped short. Surprised they did not give it to him.
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Seriously a another **** flag?
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54 yd punt and a flag on us. *sigh*
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Special teams are horrible. Flags on every play, a punt block, can't run back a KO...
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This game sucks. Even when something looks to go the Bears way either the refs reverse it or the ball bounces right back to the Niners.
I hate games like this. No hope at all...
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Pretty horrible,this game is over
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CONTE!!!
No flag?
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That was one hell of a play.
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Lmao Conte
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"I don't believe, what I just saw!"
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The Bears are doing unbelievably well. It's the middle of the second quarter and it's only 10-0.
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Heh
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That interception by Conte was about as good as I have ever seen.
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Of course three and out then penalties to Bears on the punt that was a good one. STUPID!
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Pretty frickin sad
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Three flags on one special teams play
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Worst special teams i nthe history of footballs....blame goes to Emery, Declemis (speeling), tresman......what a horrible all aroun group. The coaching is the worst part...where F is Taub????
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Go from having them inside the 20 to the 45 then a penalty on them so about the 35?
These refs suck.
This game is almost unbearable to watch. Between the refs and the Bears sucking ass.
Can we fire the ST coach right now?
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Special teams are killing us
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Maybe Conte should play WR.
On that Bennet incomplete pass, they should have called PI on the defender pushing him in the back while the ball was in the air.
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This game and team reminds me of Dave Wannsteadt teams. This game is unwatchable.
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Nice! Now do something with it
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Finally a play by Jared Allen. Come on offense. Get some points here please!
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navigator...I saw the sameting on the bennett play.
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OMG!
This is ridiculous!
**** clownshoes!
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LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The worst **** team in the history of organized football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a worthless collection of ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So safety or blocked punt upcoming?
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Run back right into field goal position.
Oh and we have lost three guys already. *sigh*
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"Special" teams
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I'll read about this embarrassment in tomorrow's Trib...
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17-0
So do we give up more points before the half?
I know we won't score any.
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Off to bed. Hope to wake to surprise comeback tomorrow AM. Probably just get to **** on this board for the next week.
Good luck to the Bears!….they need it.
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Catch the ball!!!
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Tell me Cutler is not tough!
That was brutal!
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Besides the fantastic **** job the Bears are getting, Jay gets his spleen ruptured. super.
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Marshall!!!!
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WOW!
Cutler to Marshall!
Sometimes when Cutler gets hit he gets pissed and plays better. Hope it last into the second half.
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Dear god in heaven, where did that come from?
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Big time Leadership by Marshall. You could see him telling Cutler just get me the damn ball before the last 2 plays. Way to step up Marshall!!!
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Marshall is unreal! That was fantastic catch.
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That was a another stupid ST thing. Why not boot it out of the endzone?
Watch them score again...
I hate our ST coach.
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yeah, maybe Cutler just needed to get drilled to get going.
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I don't know how you have such bad special teams. Just awful
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This team's a mess right now. Cutler has lost his accuracy and is again making stupid throws. That toss into the ground first quarter, just stupid. Then he keeps throwing short or behind and off his fricking back foot again. Should have had two int's first half, lucky he didn't. VERY frustrating to watch....
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3rd and long given up all day long.
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Kyle fuller....not so good.
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Lance Briggs sighting...he left his gap though.
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Willie young makes a play
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Game's over.....
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It was over before it started.
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Let's watch Forte run for the 1ypc he's rushing for and Cutlet throw it away or to the ground again....we'll be lucky to get 3 wins this year....
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Tillman's done
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Penalty yards are the only thing moving this putrid offense......
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Let's watch Forte run for the 1ypc he's rushing for and Cutlet throw it away or to the ground again....we'll be lucky to get 3 wins this year....
Weren't you the guy bitching last week that Cutler DIDN'T throw it away?
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Can't Forte make anyone miss anymore?
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They'll catch delay on us but are blind when the 9ers do it.....
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When Cut wakes the hell up and puts his feet into the throw he can make plays. WHEN.......
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Cutler is what he is: mediocre
Hasn't gotten any better in 8 years.
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Yeah Tillman is done.
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I will miss him. Tillman has been a great player and a great guy for a long time.
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If the Niners defense were not committing the penalties our offense would be scoring.
We have our two best WR's gimpy so the Niners are jamming all the way down the field. We need to go deep with the younger guys or Holmes.
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TD BEARS!!!
Marshall is so awesome!
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Great! Now get off the field defense..
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getting a little groove here, we need to get the ball back quick and turn the table.
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One score game. Can our D hold them or get a turn over?
Doubt it. But a guy can dream right.
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Hey...the D has played pretty well. Can't blame them. Take away the blocked punt which put them in deep and we are leading this game.
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Don't quit. The Bears are in it.
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Love seeing Long fired up
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FULLER!!!
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Wow!!!! Kyle fuller!!!!
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THAT WAS SICK!
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WHAT a play!!!!!!! UNreal!!!!!!
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Kaparernick acts a fool!
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TD BEARS!!!!
We are going to lead with xp!
UNREAL!
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Yes!!!
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guh...guh...what?what?
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On the list of things I never thought I'd see, the lead tonight is way up there....
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Man what a turn around. ...give Cut props there. All of a sudden he's awakened
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Now....again....come on defense!
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Fuller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I still feel like we lose. But damn I feel like we actually have a team coming together now wether we win or not.
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OMG...I am sorry every bad thing I said about the Bears tonight!!!
Ditka!!!
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46 just got done with waterboarding myself for thinking this would be a 50-0 blowout. Mien Gott!!! the lead!!!
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Does Briggs look fat or what???
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its the pads, im sure
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Nice a sack!
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46 just got done with waterboarding myself for thinking this would be a 50-0 blowout. Mien Gott!!! the lead!!!
Toldja so. Keep the faith.
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Fuller, yes!!!!!!
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FULLER!!!!
OMG!!!
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Still not believing this...
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Bears woke up. Taking the lead.
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Jesus Christ on a bicycle!!! what's going on!!!
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OK so EMERY made a good pick right?
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Kyle fuller....not so good.
Let's hope he gets better with experience.
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I LOVE KYLE FULLER!!! God Bless Kyle Fuller!!!!!!!!
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Now let's win this thing!
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I LOVE FULLER!!!!!!! FLAT OUT MAN LOVE LOL
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This is a season saving game if we win!
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it is amazing what a little pass rush will do.
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Need a TD here badly....
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They woke up
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TD BEARS!!!!
MARSHALL AGAIN!
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the 46 just fouled himself. Go Bears!!!!!
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Wow!!!! Marshall....yes!
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**** BEARS!!!!
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OMG....28 unanswered points? Unreal.
Butkus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bears making it a rout. Just keep the faith.
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**** CHICAGO BEARS!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The thing I love about Trestman is he can make adjustments if his game plan is not working.
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OH MY Goodness!!!!!!! I'm totally absolutely just stunned!!!!!!
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Marshall and Jeffrey can barely move out there. Pretty gutty efforts on their parts.
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Willie young!!!!
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Willie Young may be our best signing yet.
Kyle Fuller best draft pick.
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Willie Young has been awesome in the 2nd half
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Got to give Emery props for that signing.
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Ball game right here for the Niners. I can't believe we are leading by 8 let alone have a shot at winning.
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Harbaugh can't believe it either.
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yeah, a win here would be huge.
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2 to go up 8 niners fourth down. lets hope. but again, just a game. hope they win, really do, but they played very well on the road against a very good team.
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....and your right, a pass rush works wonders. even a little one.
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I feel better about the team if they win or lose now.
But the Niners need a TD and a two point conversion to tie. I want the **** win!
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Not getting my hopes up till that clock reads 0.00 with Bears leading....
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Uh oh 3rd and long...
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Bears win!!
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BEARS WIN!!!!
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BEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BEARS WIN!!!
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BEARS WIN!!!
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Bears win....Holy moly....
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Awwwwww yes!!!!
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I DON'T **** BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wow. Never thought it would happen.
Kyle Fuller gets the game ball and Willie young gets a huge nod!
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wow, I bet the SF fans are a shocked as we were last week.
Last week I felt like "we are getting ready to pull out the win".
This week it was more "when are we going to screw up."
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We lost a ton of players and the young guys might be better.
Sad thing is if Tillman does not get hurt we lose. Kyle Fuller would no have been able to be in there to make those plays.
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And Cutler and Marshall
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;-) Harbaugh in the mud. Kaepernick, too.
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Willie Young may be our best signing yet.
Kyle Fuller best draft pick.
He better be the best draft pick. Tillman is likely out for the year, and maybe his career. If so, too bad. He was unique in his ability to cause fumbles.
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Cutler bashers... eat some crow. 4 TD passes and no ints.
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I have loved Tillman as a player and a person. He is total class 100%.
I hope he can come back yet this season but doesn't look good.
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Its wonderful to talk football between the lines. You were right pack....but GB still sucks.
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Cutler got mostly short fields to work with and then made some plays. I was more impressed with his ability to recover from the shot to the chest.
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Hey Jeff H...still think this is the worst team in history?
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I'm sure he was talking about another team...otherwise Jeff, email me for instructions on selfwaterboarding.
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Mostly short fields?
He got a few at the end. This was a HUGE win for the Bears. Star WR injured as well as two starters on the OL out.
I think our D and O will be fine as we get healthy but our ST suck.
I have noticed Cutler gets very pissed and focused once he takes a hard shot. Some one needs to just slap the **** out of him before he takes the field, imo.
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It's one of the most dramatic changes I've seen from first half to second. That pop to Cuts chest woke him up and the D made huge plays. Willie Young. ...what a incredible acquisition!! Fuller is amazing
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Where"s JBN?
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just like that, the 46 is bubbling with Bear gush. Time to give the Bear bandwagon a lubejob!
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That was a terrible game and yet a great game if they can build on it. If we get our ass kicked next week and have lots of penalties well then we just had the high point of our season.
Hopefully that is not the case.
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LOL!!!
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Shouldn't he be down at the local gloryhole doing what he's best at?
JeffH? Where's JeffH? Probably at the local gloryhole touching his toes.
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Trestman's plan all along was to get the 49ers over-confident in the first half and then kick ass in the 2nd.
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Careful JBN might take you serousily...
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Just an amazing game. I cant believe what I just saw. We looked like crap in the first half only to come back with a vengeance in the 2nd. Here I have been ticked since the draft about not taking a safety in the 1st round and taking a corner instead. Kyle Fuller looks like the real deal and worth that 1st round selection. Lets just hope this isn't just a sample. Boy do we need that kind of ball-hawking corner. Call me impressed with the rook. Now maybe with Tillman hurt we will see the development of Fuller, not that having Tillman hurt is pleasing in any way. Kaepernick was picking on the rook and he made them pay bigtime. It cost the niners the game.
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WE DID IT !!!
Jesus fuckin Christ onto GOD almighty ...
HALAS HALL did somthing right.
WE BEAT FRISCO on the road.
Man we had half of our troops gone and we still walked on these ****.
GO YOU CHICAGO BEARS !!
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Great win!! I watched through the first quarter and into the start of the second (sleep was more important). Bears looked like **** coming out of the gate, special teams are anything but special. I loved seeing Tuckers enthusiasm, I think that helps to light a fire. Hate that peanut got hurt, he was looking old and slow though. Kudos to Fuller. Our run game is anemic to say the least. I'll watch the rest of the game sometime this week. Still can't believe we won!!
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I loved that short clip of Kyle Long screaming and spitting up and down the sideline. He looked like a crazed maniac.
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Cutler is what he is: mediocre
Hasn't gotten any better in 8 years.
I'll take that kind of mediocre any time...
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This is going to be such a blow out. No defense, injured offense, no special teams threat.
Trestman is the new Dick Jauron. Useless.
JBN? JBN? Buehler? Buehler?
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LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The worst **** team in the history of organized football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a worthless collection of ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anybody seen Jeff H?
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Let's watch Forte run for the 1ypc he's rushing for and Cutlet throw it away or to the ground again....we'll be lucky to get 3 wins this year....
and another Debbie Downer
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No doubt...some "fans" in here need to find another team...
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The great thing is that this is a defense that is brand new in many positions, and is going to get better as they learn to work together.
The downside is that they have little reserves, and even with normal attrition to injuries, and whatever improvement they make will be mitigated by these impossible-to-prevent injuries.
I will be happy with anything over 8 wins.
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I am in agreement DaveP. I think it's a bit delusional to think we can completely turn around the Offense AND defense in two years. I like the direction we are going though. I think we have a decent chance at making the playoffs but will not be terribly disappointed if we don't as long as we see some progress.
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I went to bed at halftime, but taped the game. Cant wait to get home tonight and watch the second half. In the first half I was trying to watch Houston, and he really did jack squat. He was supposed to be our solid DL but he seems like the weak link. I don't get it.
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Heck of a game!
I was expecting to get crushed.
I didn't 1stQ, and my friend just kept sending me texts about how bad they looked. I finally sat down to watch the end of the 2ndQ, just in time to see the TD. I ended up watching the rest of the game...I cannot believe they won. I kept thinking of the Arizona game years ago. I wanted to hear another Denny Green type speech.
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Houston pulled a Peppers last night - zero stats. In fact, our punter had one more tackle than he did. They will probably let him keep starting but Young gets the call at crunch time.
The good news is Jared Allen had a much better game. And so did Shea McClellan. He's rapidly approaching average play, but he was credited with a sack last night.
We need Conte and Ratliff to come back - I'm afraid Tillman is a goner. Looks like we get to give Hayden a call or bring up Frey.
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The bad part about Tillman's injury is it looked like he was trying to get in a little extra after the play when he hurt himself.
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I guess maybe drafting a corner in the first wasn't such a bad idea after all.
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Total Jekyll & Hyde team between the 1st and 2nd halves. Nearly switched off the game and then they scored the TD at the end of the half. Very happy today that I got to see it all. Any more word on the injuries this morning?
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"Houston pulled a Peppers last night - zero stats. In fact, our punter had one more tackle than he did. They will probably let him keep starting but Young gets the call at crunch time."
I am gussing Allen and Willie Young are the starters. Willie Young looks like a BEAST. Not sure wha thappened in Detroit - I know he was close onb many sacks last years.
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Total Jekyl Hyde in both games...especially our defense.
As for Houston, maybe they like bringing Young off the bench...to keep him fresh? Houston is not a sack machine - even with the Raiders. Last year was his best year and he had 6. That's about 1 sack every 2 or 3 games. Still his tackle totals are really low considering the amount of snaps he's had against 2 running opponents. Coaches will decide.
I know we won...but like last game with everything under the microscope this week everything's fine and dandy except:
- we are not running the ball consistently - sometimes pass happy teams are so used to being passive pass blocking they lose their run blocking edge
- got to get that punt protection figured out - Draughns is in jeopardy since he's not part of the offense
- we need to coach these guys to STOP GETTING HURT! at this rate the PS will be starting after our bye
- we miss Slauson (I give credit to Ola for having to line up against Justin Smith) more than Garza - Ola looked lost out there on the screen passes - HIT SOMEBODY
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The Oline was excellent against in pass coverage and horrible with run blocking. Forte could never get going. If I'm the Bears, I keep Puente at center. I do believe he's a upgrade there but man they gotta get some run blocking going. They were saying we were able to do double moves with our recievers which allowed them to get open and that was because our Oline was blocking so well. No one is usually ever able to double move on the 9ers, but we did. But we definately need to get more balanced on O. Being one dimensional usually doesn't play out well......
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Sportster
So you did watch the game? I thought you had a birthday party?
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Went out to eat for Father in laws Bday.....recorded the game...saw bits and pieces of it at Red Lobster, then came home and started it all over again knowing they at the time were down I believe it was 10 pts. Finally caught up to the live game at halftime and watched thereout.
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And did you know they won when you watched it?
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One thing I noticed about all 3 INTs is they were good plays.
Conte really layed out for that one.
Fuller took that one from the WR and on his second, he was pretty much hidden behind one WR and come from behind to catch the INT.
They weren't really the bonehead type passes we see Cutler make.
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Just watched the second half. If we could put two halves together like that I think we could probably beat anyone.
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Maybe it's the start of something..
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LOL, I watched the whole game from out of town and just getting to the board. What a game!
Hiber and AZSteve... shame on you ::)
BEAR DOWN!!
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And I would like to respond to the Cutler hate, which for this week is gone. and also to the media.
We are married to Cutler for 46 more games. Till death do us part. So you better get used to the idea that he is our QB for the next 3 years. Because I don't think that all of the bashing of him after a bad loss like last week does anyone any favors. We need to get behind him and let Trestman continue to work with him and see where we go. But ripping him to shreds like a pack of lions... with 46 more games to go is pretty asinine
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Lol. Woke up at 5:30 AM and watched rest on Tivo. Just a few hours later to celebrate. Can't believe they pulled it out. Thought the season was over. 12% of 0-2 teams make the playoffs…pretty tough. I predict win in NY this weekend.
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There is often a let down after a great game like that. Especially when the team is not a great one.
New York will be a tough game. If they win it, I will start to get excited.
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If they win it, I will start to get excited.
But what if they lose? But beat the Packers the next week!
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OK, saw in my morning paper that the Bears made some roster moves. Fiammetta is back on the roster taking Tillman's spot, but Fales had to go to the PS.
The problem now is we have only 2 healthy CBs: Fuller and Jennings. McManis' status is unknown. And we really don't have a nickel back with Fuller's move to starting CB. Vereen filled in that spot.
Do they bring back Hurst? Do they bring up Frey or Al Louis-jean from the PS? And what about the newest addition from the Cowboys - Terrance Mitchell? Hayden should also be available.
And assuming they bring back 1 or possibly 2 CBs - who do they cut? If Marshall and Jeffrey are OK, they really don't need both Bellamy and Chris Williams. And Hurst was cut for a lot less than what Shaun Draughn did Sunday night - we have 4 HBs on the roster.
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LOL, I watched the whole game from out of town and just getting to the board. What a game!
Hiber and AZSteve... shame on you ::)
BEAR DOWN!!
Lol!! Actually watched game with sound off,listening to Pandora,playing Solitaire.... ;D
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I feel that if someone wants to **** about Cutler that's their prerogative. That's just part of it.. Cutler's a big boy, he knows the criticism was warranted last week..
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Of course, I'm a firm believer it's the person's prerogative to **** about the person bitching about Cutler.. LOL!!!
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LOL!
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Cut just needs Long to ram his head into his chest before Monday nights game and he'll be fine.....
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Cutler has 3 receivers and a RB he can trust, along with decent protection.
That's what a QB needs.
By the way, kudos to the Bears defensive backfield.
Kaepernick was looking down field a lot with no one to throw to.
And that's a team with Boldin, Crabree and Stevie Johnson
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I am hoping Jeffries can get back to himself soon though. Marshall was the **** but Jeffries was not really doing anything out there but being a decoy. He drew some nice penalties for us though.
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Bears are fortunate they get an extra day with a Monday Night game next week.
Bears have one spot available on the roster. Maybe they bring up a rookie CB from the PS if McManus is still out - Hayden may also be available.
If we can get Conte and Ratliff back the D should be in pretty good shape.
Offensively, this new kid Ross may be active. Looking forward to seeing what he can do with his speed though I doubt he'll actually be used on offense. 53rd spot could be a TE as the Bears now only have 2 with Mulligan getting cut.
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Week 2 Rewind: Time To Give Mel Tucker Some Credit (http://thegamechicago.com/2014/09/16/week-2-rewind-time-to-give-mel-tucker-some-credit/)
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Hard to see a DT with a concussion coming right back under ordinary circumstances. Dallas, have you seen an update on his condition? Man, he played really well ….
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I think its a matter of how serious the concussion is as opposed to the position a player plays. The CB for the 49ers came back after a week 1 concussion.
We'll have to see how involved Ratliff is in practices this week. Like I said we're lucky this week in that all injuries get an extra day to heal.
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They have the new concussion protocol where you have to pass some tests before you are allowed back on the field or something.
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watched the 2nd half again last night (that one is going to stay in the machine forever), Cutler did have a looong time to look. Keep it up guys!!
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If they ask him his name and he says Jay Ratliff...something is wrong.
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NEW YORK BEARS @ CHICAGO JETS
This is where we always manage to **** things up.
We come off that high from the Frisco win and we get too full of ourselves.
Lets forget about Fuller for a minute ... Briggs ... Allen ... and yes McClellin ...
all did what we paid them to do. Play NFL football caliber FOOTBALL!
Now is it so much to ask before they get too full of themselves ... like ...
can you do that for 14 more games ?
Remember when we were feared in Special Teams ? WTF ... happened ??
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Well if we have to stumble I guess I would rather it be against the Jets and not the Packers the following week.
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Remember when we were feared in Special Teams ? WTF ... happened ??
Rules changes made Hester ineffective.
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Losses against an AFC team don't hurt as much as a loss to an NFC team. I think we do better against 4/3 teams than 3/4 teams. Monday night will be interesting
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Do the JETS run that read option? We struggle with that too.
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Rules changes made Hester ineffective.
Tell that to yourself as we struggled to bring the ball out the 20. Hester was something like 6th in the league doing that last season. And so far this year he's averaging about 28 yards per return.
As for punt returns, so far the Bears are averaging 0.0 yards per return. Teams would often punt away from Hester giving us better field position - that ain't gonna happen.
And somehow the Falcons figured out how to use Hester as a receiver. No he's not their #1 (or #2)...but he has 6 receptions averaging about 17 yards per.
So much for ineffective.
I'm not saying that the Bears should have paid him what he was demanding but he's not done by any means.
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Watching the second half. Basically the defense and the Brandon Marshall show.. Cutler was lucky on the first drive (second half) that he wasn't intercepted, from there on he played well. Run game pretty much non existent. Great come back for sure. **** Willie Young, great pickup so far.. End of the second half the D is running around like crazy!! Good to see.. Cutler needs to carry this to the next game, pull a 300 yarder with 2 td's and no int's and we win the game 24 to 13... Love watching the Bears beat the niners..
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Read that the Bears signed Hurst to the 53 man but were re-buffed in their attempts to get Kelvin Hayden:
Attempts to reunite with Kelvin Hayden were unsuccessful this week after the Bears had cut him twice this month.
With Tillman out doesn't Hayden realize that this could turn into a permanent job? I know there's the pride factor and Earl Bennett has pride - but he's also currently unemployed.
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he must have a line on another team, the pay in the nfl is simply fantastic compared to the rest of the world. My god, how many stories have all heard about guys getting cut, drifting, signing,
cut, signing and sticking.....what's wrong with that man? "rebuffed"? Re Kurt Warner, Randle Cunningham, Josh McCown (sp?), on and on and on.
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Don't forget about M. Bennett. He seems to be the lost man amidst the Marshal 3 TDs and Jeffrey's hobbled self (he did catch a key back shoulder pass on one of the drives and prevented an INT earlier).
If it were not for the turned over reception (which was bullshit) he would be getting more props. But he also was the ONLY one catching things thrown his way all day (even in the dark first 28 mins of the game)......
BTW watch the 'Turning Point' (NBCSN I think). Had a good shot of Marty talking on the phone after his TD. Something like
"They don't have a [bleep] that can cover me."
"I've been telling you that for 2 years !"
Pretty funny stuff....
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Wow...and I thought only wide receivers had the huge egos.
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Keys, I still don't like how Trestman and this seems unprepared with all the penalties and the defense being wide open in the middle seems like every play.
the guy knows offense and Cutler seems to like him, but if this team is going anywhere in the future he's going to have to fire that idiot we have now as a DC and replace him. Mel Tucker has got to go.
We can blame injuries all we want, but there are many holes that need fixed.
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And you expected Emery to fix all the defensive woes in one draft? Oh that's right, Lovie could have. Lovie knows defense.
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Screw Lovie. Lets move on. Just cause Emery fixed the O in one draft/year doesn't mean he can do the same for the D. Unless the coaching sucks. Hmmmmm.
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That's right. Lets move on. But somebody sure hasn't.
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Tucker would look a lot better if Emery's 2 prized FA DEs would start performing up to expectations. Allen did have the one forced fumble. Houston's made some plays that don't show up in the stats. Both can do better...both HAVE to do better. Can't keep counting on Willie Young (a nice Emery pickup).
Anyway, lots of new moving parts for Tucker from last year and his guys showed good improvement from week 1. They were actually pretty good for the 2nd half against Buffalo.
Giving up 20 points in San Francisco is pretty darn good considering the last few times we've visited there. And even better when you figure 7 of those points came on that the short field after the blocked punt.
They'll be challenged again tonight by another college-style option type QB and two solid HBs and we're without Ratliff and McClellan.
There are no easy games and there are no impossible games.
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Agree that the D has stepped up, need to keep improving though. I thought Allen had a much better game last week from the first..
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Yes, he was better, but I'd like to see more pressure on the QB. Sometimes we get too hung up on sack numbers (recall Greg Blache and his sacks are overrated comment), but you have to at least create pressure especially from the RDE spot and Allen is not doing the job so far.
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Center Roberto Garza, left guard Matt Slauson, linebacker Shea McClellin, defensive tackle Jeremiah Ratliff and defensive end Trevor Scott will sit out tonight's game with injuries.
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Go Bears!!
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Did I just hear Cutler is 6-1 on MNF since he joined the Bears? Somehow that doesn't seem right, but lets keep it rolling Jay.
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Just saw where Jay loves to throw the ball when the defenders back is turned. The Jets do that all day long. If the Bears can give him time he should have a big night.
Can our D stop the Jets from running on us though? This could be a shoot out.
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ESPN commentators 7 out of the 9 take the Bears. Great. They are jinxing us...
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I miss the Hank Williams Jr. intro. What horrible thing did he do again?
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Called Obama a racist?
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I don't even remember something politically incorrect and the leftwing media went after him like rabid starving dogs after rare meat.
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you mean the same people who smeared page after page after page of useless turds in ny shrieking to change the weather? those ****?
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Here we go!
Come on D!
GO BEARS!!!
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Right off the bat a bs call against us.
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MUNDY!!!
INT! TD BEARS!!!!!!!
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7-0 Bears!
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Wow!!! Great start!!!
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Bears D holds. Let's see how the O does.
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Muffed punt Bears ball!!!
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All right ST
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TD BEARS!!!
M Bennet!
Cutler made a nice play to get away.
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14-0 Bears.
Great way to get them out of their run game.
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six minutes in and the jets down 14. Yeow!
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Gentlemen,
Keep it coming, Im at work and cant see the game.
Gotta sneak in to this site to see whats happening. :D
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EGO!
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14-3 Bears.
Ego Ferguson with a 13 yd sack to stall the drive.
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Bears moving the ball. Cutler with a big run to get the first and keep the drive alive.
JJ, We are in FG range now.
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jj Bears chewing 'em up on o. cutler ran for 16 yds to end the qtr.
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Cutler doing a good job throwing it away.
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We have no run game. That's not good
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Forte to the 6.
First decent run this game for the Bears.
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The Jets D is great against the run.
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Damn. Field goal time.
This Jets D is very, very good.
17-3 Bears!!!
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3. I'll take it. I always hold my breath this close to the end zone, especially since the run has gone south. He's got a bazooka for an arm tho' don't he just?
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Yeah he is fired up. Bears receivers keep dropping them he is throwing so hard.
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well ****
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C'mon defense
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The defense is starting to get shredded.
Need a turnover and quick.
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That'll work
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Held them to a FG though. I will take it.
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Brandon Marshall is down. Doesn't look good.
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****!
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Marshall is down and in pain.
Non contact as well.
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well ****
ditto
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Our punter takes a long time to get the punt off after getting the snap from center
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Yes he does. But he booms it.
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That didn't look bad with Marshall. He'll be back. The bigger concern is no running game.
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Fuller with a little peanut punch but it went out of bounds.
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I am not concerned about not being able to run the ball against the Jets. They are great stopping the run.
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I am more concerned that our D is wearing down and letting them get yards in chunks.
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All the Jets have to do is go over the middle the rest of the night and they'll win.
Open all night long.
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uhoh. cant get to smith. we all know what that means.
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That was stupid!
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Stupid **** about to happen , thanks #99
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Houston is a moron!
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Now a 15 yarder on the defense.
I can feel a momentum change.
Need a TO badly.
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FB Tony Fiammetta (hamstring) is OUT for rest of game.
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Damn
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TD Jets.
And they throw a flag on us which is total BS!
I hate these rules where you can not hit a receiver. **** hate that rule!
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Blah. This defense is ****.
Over the middle, over the middle all night long.
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Geno Freaking Smith picking us apart because we get zero pass rush. Wake up Mel Tucker.
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That was a pathetic penalty. Clean hit...
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That defenseless receiver bullshit is just awful...that's just trying to separate the WR from the ball...DBs have been doing that since the invention of the forward pass. This **** is becoming sarcastaball.
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Marshall out?
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Marshall in the locker room.
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Forte strong
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Forte with a tough run to get the first...
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Marshall is questionable to return.
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We need to score before the half. Jets got all the momentum right now.
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That was a fumble.
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Elbow was down which caused the fumble.
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Turn over , damn
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Jets running the old 46 D?
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Nope Jets ball.
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Ball is out.
Jets ball.
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I was looking at the wrong hand.
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ah well. Too many starters out.
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The defense comes up big there. Nice stop.
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Good D
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Good defensive series
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Great stop by the D!
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In case anyone hasn't heard, we have begun airstrikes in Syria against ISIS.
Looks like some heavy damage in a few spots they showed.
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Run out the clock
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Half time...
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hate to say it, but jets should be up. got screwed on the fumble/td. I saw about the bombing, did Syria say sure, ok, do it? or not. remember, there's a big mean rejuvinated russian bear behind them.
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Syria is fighting them also. They will welcome it but condemn it publicly. Same with Russia.
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Trestman tends to make great half time adjustments. We need some now.
That Houston dumb ass penalty killed us! You DO NOT jaw at the ref like that. Stupid ass dumb **** loses games.
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Well aside from the stupid penalty by Houston, at least he has been in on some plays. As well as Willie Young. Jarred Allen looks old and slow. REAL old and slow.
I hope Jay can get his head together. Some of his passes have been off a little bit.
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Hey Guys,
Thanks for keeping us updated on whats going on that cant see the game!
Gotta shrink this screen again ... Keep it coming !
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Alshon!
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Marshall is playing. Bears going right down the field. In the red zone already.
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TD BEARS!!!
Marshall!
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**** me!
Called back due to hands to the face by an offensive lineman.
Geez.
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TD BEARS!!!!!!
**** YA!
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Martellus!!!
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Great job!
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24-13 Bears.
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Now let's see how our D does with half time adjustments.
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Lock 'em down defense
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Mundy hurt? Oh no.
We can't lose our only decent safety.
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Fuller doin a Tillman
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Fuller learning the peanut punch. Oh my!
Now if they only learn to stay in bounds when they recover it...
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Three and out we got lucky.
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Holmes nice return but flags...
Of course.
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nice return but block in the back
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That was a bad call.
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If it was in fact the replay they just showed.
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3 and out . Jets with good field position.
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Anyone do the FanDuel fantasy league?
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regardless, Holmes is earning his pay. Nice pickup by the Bear.Your know, the 46 has to eat some raw crow, starters keep going down,
and the team is still competing. top to bottom, imo, a better team. I don't know if that would have happened a few years ago.
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Conte's hurt the shoulder
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Fuller!!!!!
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FULLER! INT in the endzone!
Why bring it out though?
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The penalty saves his ass!
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Got lucky that wasn't picked!
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Bad punt then 15 yards. **** just give them the score dumb asses!
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Stupid **** shows up again
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Jets D is really, really good...we're earning every yard we get...
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Good Bears defensive stand there at the goal line.
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Play the fake.
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24-16 Bears.
We need a need long time consuming drive for points to ice this game.
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Defense keeping us in this game
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Lets go offense!
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This has been a good game. The young guys are growing. Need the win though.
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Running Forte not working...3 and out...crap!
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Cmon turnover
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The lead is down to 5.
Offense needs a long drive and at least three.
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Offense needs to do something here
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24-19 Bears.
Man we need a scoring drive here.
Defense has kept us in this game.
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Cutler needs to step and win this one now.
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This is where good teams step it up and win out. Let's Go Bears!!!!!
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I would go RB screen on first down.
Forget about the run it ain't happening.
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Alshon!
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Two huge 3rd down conversions have been picked up. That's knocked over 4 minutes off the clock.
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Nice run play lol
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Now need another one.
A pickup here could win it.
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Never fails.
3:19 to go and the Jets will have a chance to win to or tie it.
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They would have to get a TD AND a two pt conversion to even tie as long as we get a FG.....
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We should get at least three here. Which means they can only tie it with a TD and a two point conversion.
Cutler is lucky he ducked. He would have been dead if he took the hit that just **** up the Jets DT.
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27-19 Bears!
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I was thinking the same thing. they were headed for kill shots
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And now is when the new guys on the Dline earn their $$$$.....Young, Houston and Allen, make it happen.....
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Ok here we go. Defense can win it
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Hang tough no stupid penalties
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Bostic drops an INT. Twice.
Ugh.
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Almost int!!! Damn
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Great challenge! Unlike Lovies...
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He got it.....what the heck worth the look though....they may call it differently. Don't believe there's enough evidence to overturn though....
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Challenge the spot of the ball
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They won't overturn that....gonna have to stop em with D....
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Jets lucky there....
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We got a few our way that one went theirs.
This game will be decided by who is the better team.
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Just do it defense!!! Stomach in a knot! LOL
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Jet's gonna have to have alot of luck to win this at this point. They gotta first get the TD, THEN a 2pt conv and then do OT....don't believe it's gonna happen.
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Don't hike the ball, not a D call, LOL!
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Are you fuckin kidding me?!!!
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Great defense. lol...unreal. No pass rush, pass over the middle again, poor tackling.
Now another injury. McCray.
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They really should be blitzing more here...cannot at all let them have time to pass like that....
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**** me.
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Great....give em four more downs here....fricking stupid..
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what holding?
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Horseshit holding call on Bostic...serious home cooking...
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I guess its written that bears lose to anyone wearing green anymore.
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I'm dying here...
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One more play! Bear down!
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YES!
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BEARS WIN!!!!
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Bears win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mercy!
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Jesus,talk about skin of your teeth.
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G'night Bears fans
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All right....nicely done
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Hot Dog! 2-1!!! Woohoo!!
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Kyle Fuller is going to be a fantastic player for us!
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We need to call Adrian Wilson and bring him back...sheesh...
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I was thinking the same thing. Adrian Wilson and whoever else has ever played safety.
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Fuller at this point, is nothing short of a super-star. Bears go coast to coast in 2 weeks and win both. d busted up, and (gag) kudos to the
d coach. got it done.
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Like Gruden said, it was damn gutsy of Tucker to call an all out blitz there on 4th down with the secondary we had out there...got to give him props for that...
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Between the INTs and the Peanut punch, Fuller is going to be a stud for a long time. And we seriously need some DB help, with the Pack up next. This was a nail biter for sure.
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Fuller is Peanut Jr. That kid is unbelievable. I don't know who the heck is back there at safety anymore. They keep pulling people out of the cupboard and winning. Just a few short years ago a single injury would knock us for a loop. Now, heck bring em on! We seem to almost get better when injured, strange enough. We've got better depth than we though we had. It helps that our Dline is playing improved, getting some pressure.
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Ugly, but still a win. Injuries stacking up now is still a big concern. I like how they are not giving up. Trestman / Kromer / Tucker also making better halftime adjustments. Special Teams seem to be getting better. Needle is up with this team I think.
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Thanks for all of your comments keeping us informed that couldnt see the game !
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We've had some things go our way. Cut's had some throws that could have gone the other way, penalties have helped some as well, the ball so far has bounced our way and it seems even in 06' when we went to the dance we had alot of balls bounce our way. For some strange reason, teams of destiny get alot of things going their way, so maybe JUST maybe we'll have a good year yet. But a whole lot of football to be played yet and obviously injuries to overcome......but right now, we're 2-1 and at the top 8}
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Cutler had a handful of passes tonight that I thought were forced, but he was pretty solid...60% completion rate, 225 yards, 2TD's and 0 picks...against that great D and without Marshall for the most part...no complaints here...
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We've got a absolutely brutal schedule coming up. We've done alright so far but holy cow....Pakey twice, Pats, Falcons, Panthers....it's a tough road and if we come out above 500, we'd be a good bet to going deep in the playoffs. I don't see it, I think we've had some bounces go our way, I think of the next 6 we go 2-4, leaving us 4-5. We'll see.....hope I'm wrong....
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Jets D is great. Great front 7. Next week will be much easier.
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Amazing game. A genuine nail biter. I thought sure we were going to lose. Fuller is a genuine stud. Kudos to Emery for drafting him. I hope we somehow come up with some DB help because Rodgers will be tough to stop as depleted as we are.
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Solid win against a tough D..
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Put me down for some Fuller love. Kid is already a STUD!!
Why any team is throwing it on side of the field is beyond me. He almost had two more picks last night.
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we've got to learn to pick up the middle blitz. It seemed like too many times the Center helped the LG and someone would come untouched up the middle.
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wow, two wins against two very physical teams.
I was in Chicago last week and the Score was talking about the Bears routing the Jets. Somehow I didn't think that would be the case.
Didn't hear a single J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS last night.
Hope Marshall and some other will be ok for Sunday on a short week.
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Hope Marshall can heal quickly and this isn't going to be an every week he gets hurt thing. And was it me or was Jeffery not running at full speed. I know he isn't a burner, but it just seemed to me like he was laboring a little bit.
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He probably had his hamstring wrapped tight.
I though he was much faster than last week though
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Quick takes on defense.
Our 2 rookie DTs are not special but they may turn out to be decent NFL starters. Paea had one of his best games as a Bear IMHO. We need Jeremiah back. Jared Allen looked useless and helpless out there for most the game - totally owned. Then late in the 4Q he turned it on and was applying decent pressure. Came so close to a couple sacks. Willie Young was solid but not as dominant as previous weeks - picked up another sack when he ran Smith out of bounds.
DJ Williams can't tackle. Briggs had another nice game and I'm slowly becoming a Jon Bostic fan. He's sticking his nose in there and no longer overrunning plays.
I hope Mundy is OK - I know he had the pick 6 but he's a solid tackler. Conte needs some more padding in his shoulder pads.
I could see us going defense with about 6 out of 7 picks next season: DE, DT, LB, CB and safety - all needs.
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Hell. Call up Urlacher and tell him to dust off his college safety playbook. :)
Anyone on this board want to try out for safety give Hallas Hall a call.
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I think that would amount to desperation. Urlacher was a couple steps slow for MLB. It seems we will be scanning other teams practice squads though
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I think the sarcasm flew right by you.
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On a jet for sure
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"Our 2 rookie DTs are not special but they may turn out to be decent NFL starters. Paea had one of his best games as a Bear IMHO."
Agreed. DT may turn out to be a strength.
Allen is useless so far.
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Well it was like Allen was playing at half speed until the very end when he was going all out, trying for a sack. He did hit Smith a couple of times pretty good, although the ball was already out. I would like to see that intensity early against the Pack please Mr Allen.
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I think Ferguson is a pretty good LT. I also think that teams that run well will cause Allen to hold back.
The Jets did good not to abandon the run after they got behind early, it kept our guys on their heels a bit instead of laying their ears back.
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On WSCR this morning they had an interview with Allen who was saying playing the read option was a "new skill set" for him. I don't think he was making an excuse, his responsibilities are different in that situation. He'll be on more familiar ground vs Green Bay where he can rush as he always has.
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Agreed. But a new challenge next week with Rodgers. Although not as fast as the 49ers Kaepernick Rodgers buys time with his feet which forces pass rushers to stay in their lanes.
And of course they get to face another powerful back in Lacy which forces them to not sell out. Bears always have problems with those kinds of guys and usually shut down the scat backs. Case in point last night. Chris Johnson was held in check but Ivory ran all over us.
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I think Ivory must have gotten a concussion because he was nowhere to be found the last few series
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Haven't watched the second half yet. First half, tried to watch Allen closely, definitely wasn't hitting on much.. Peppers clone..
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Keep watching in the fourth quarter....
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Isnt Wednesday the day the injury report comes out? I haven't heard a peep about the Bears injuries.
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The list is so long it is taking longer to print. ;)
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So whats the status of our secondary?
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I think the official term is banged up.
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Well Duh! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out does it?
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LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- Chicago Bears coach Marc Trestman announced Wednesday that strongside linebacker Shea McClellin will miss his second consecutive game Sunday when the club hosts the Green Bay Packers at Soldier Field.
Trestman called McClellin “week-to-week,” but also said the third-year linebacker won’t be working out with the team this week. McClellin broke his right hand last week during practice.
In other injury news, Trestman said he’s “not optimistic, quite frankly” about the potential availability of starting center Roberto Garza (ankle) and left guard Matt Slauson (ankle) for the matchup versus the Packers.
“But it is possible they could be ready to go on Thursday and Friday at practice,” Trestman said. “But it’s day-to-day and we’ll stay with the injury report on that.”
Despite the injuries, the club’s fill-ins at McClellin’s linebacker spot and along the offensive line have performed well.
Second-year pro Jonathan Bostic replaced McClellin in the starting lineup Monday night against the Jets, and racked up a career-high 13 tackles to go with a couple of pass breakups.
“Very good to the football,” Trestman said of Bostic’s performance. “Obviously, we’d love him to catch that ball [for an interception] there at the end of the game. But other than that, I thought he took on blocks at the line of scrimmage, at the point. He fit the run and ran to the ball. Really, I thought he played well and used his athleticism and physicality to really help our football team.”
Up front, Brian de la Puente replaced Garza in the starting lineup, while Michael Ola filled in for Slauson. The duo has filled in now for two games, as the offensive line has surrendered a total of six sacks in that span.
Because of the short week of preparation coming off Monday night’s win over the New York Jets, the Bears took part in walkthroughs instead of a full workout. Had the Bears practiced, defensive end Jared Allen (illness), fullback Tony Fiammetta (hamstring), Garza, Slauson, receiver Brandon Marshall (ankle), cornerback Sherrick McManis (quadriceps), and defensive tackle Jeremiah Ratliff (concussion) would have been non-participants. Safeties Ryan Mundy (shoulder) and Chris Conte (shoulder) would have been limited.
Mundy suffered what he called a “serious stinger” against the Jets.
“I’m feeling good right now and just doing the necessary things I need to do to make sure I’m ready to play on Sunday,” Mundy said.
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I assume Marshall will be good to go since he played the 2nd half Monday night. Good news on Conte and Mundy...or as good as can be expected. Of the rest I'd like to see Ratliff return the most then Slauson. Ola is doing a good job but he'll blow a few plays like the hands to the face on the Marshall TD and the screen pass to the left where he let a CB make the tackle.
But the good thing about the injuries is it is getting guys like Vereen and Ola experience that they normally wouldn't get on the bench. I even saw Ahmad Dixon (#36) in there at one point with the game on the line.
Here's something that might happen. Brian De La Puente is supposedly grading out high among ALL NFL centers. When Garza comes back what do they do? Keep De La Puenta as the starter (he had Kromer as his O-line coach with the Saints)? Bench Garza and put Boggs back on the PS...or maybe cut Garza. I think they'll keep Garza but I'm not sure he gets his job back.
They don't need 3 centers.
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I vote Boggs back to PS and Garza is the back up.
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Garza was also a OG before he became a center
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I doubt they cut him this year. He can play center and guard. Guard is his first position.
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Looks like Mundy and Conte are looking to play Sunday. But then again that could be just football politics. Ya don't want to let the opposition know too much.
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Mundy will play if it was just a stinger. I am thinking Conte is a long shot. I am ok with that. Hopefully Brock Vereen can get it done.
I don't think Conte is going to be an NFL player for much longer. Between his mental lapses and how often he gets injured it does not seem to be in the cards for him.
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I had a guy who should know tell me (when I was bitching about conte, yes) that even if you are the absolute worst player in the nfl, look how much better you are than all the ones who tried, and didn't make it, for what ever reason. I shut up then. Even if he's out forever right now , he's had a hell of a run and made compared to me a ton of money. Got on tv alot too. But I think you're right. Not much longer.
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De la Punter is a upgrade at Center and Garza should be the backup. Having success while the team is injured is amazing, something we haven't seen since....well, ever.
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I don't know that Conte has made any mental lapses this season - I do know he's had 2 picks.
I have no excuse for his mental lapses but his tackling problems are definitely related to that bad shoulder. He's gutting it out this season and the Bears are better off with a healthy Conte than without.
Bears may try to rotate Vereen in more to give Conte more breaks and give Vereen more experience. It would be nice to know if Vereen is the heir apparent at FS so we don't have to re-sign Conte or draft a FS high in the next draft.
Right now my #1 draft pick is a pass rushing DE.
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Right now my #1 draft pick is a pass rushing DE.
At this point my biggest disappointment is a kick ass LB. Briggs is due to be retired, possibly DJ Williams too. Bostic is improving. McLellen is a bust.
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I think Briggs is running on fumes. We need some stud LB help in a big way.
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The Bears have made a roster move aimed at improving the special teams and picking up some linebacker depth.
Darryl Sharpton, a free agent linebacker who started eight games for the Texans last season, has signed with Chicago. Sharpton spent training camp in Washington but suffered a high-ankle sprain in Week One of the preseason and was initially placed on injured reserve. He was then released from injured reserve this week, which made him available to Chicago. Sharpton is a good special teams player and may help the Bears’ defense as well.
To make room for Sharpton on the roster, the Bears cut fullback Tony Fiammetta, who has been dealing with a hamstring injury. Fiammetta received an injury settlement.
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Musical chairs bigtime. Cut one day brought back the next.
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At this point my biggest disappointment is a kick ass LB. Briggs is due to be retired, possibly DJ Williams too. Bostic is improving. McLellen is a bust.
Biggest disappointment - LBer? Really? I think its our pass rushers - specifically Houston and Allen. We're so lucky we signed Young. I agree that we need to upgrade our LBers but we do have McClellan, Bostic and Khaseem Greene...plus if Briggs keeps playing as he has been he might get a Tillman-like one year contract. DJ Williams needs to be upgraded but you can find 4-3 LBers in the mid-rounds. Briggs was a 3rd rounder.
I think Briggs is running on fumes. We need some stud LB help in a big way.
After the Buffalo game...yes. After the 49er and Jet game...no.
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I also think its premature to label Shae a bust after two games at LB. He was getting some good pressure in the game against SF. He was also in on some plays.
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Yeah but who breaks there hand in practice? Just saying...
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I also think its premature to label Shae a bust after two games at LB. He was getting some good pressure in the game against SF. He was also in on some plays.
While it could be premature, he sure didn't have the impact as his replacement Bostic did against the Jets. Just saying
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Interesting question from Bigzie's mailbag:
Is Jon Bostic the Bears’ best linebacker? Is he the starter going forward, and if so whose job does he take? -- @Pbrady55 from Twitter
Bostic had a good game against the Jets with 14 tackles (seven solos) after coaches completed review of game film. It would have been a much better game had he held on to an easy interception when Jared Allen forced quarterback Geno Smith into a bad throw in the fourth quarter. Bostic is playing better than he did at any point last season and the game is beginning to slow down for him. I wouldn’t classify him as the team’s best linebacker but he’s trending in the right direction. Good players in the NFL are classified as such because they play that way for a sustained period of time and have consistency. Bostic needs to continue to grow. If he keeps playing well it will be interesting to see what happens when Shea McClellin returns from a broken hand.
Twitter @BradBiggs
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Yeah but who breaks there hand in practice? Just saying...
Lots of NFL players get hurt in training camps and practices - that's why coaches are careful on limiting the amount of contact outside of games.
Is Jon Bostic the Bears’ best linebacker? Is he the starter going forward, and if so whose job does he take?
Briggs is the Bears' best linebacker. PERIOD. When McClellan comes back I'd expect Bostic to get more playing time at the expense of DJ Williams...not necessarily McClellan. SLB is the easiest position to fill and has the least amount of reps. Bostic needs to excel at MLB as that is the position that will need to be filled next...in fact I'd suggest that WLB would be a better spot for Bostic than SLB.
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SLB is the easiest position to fill and has the least amount of reps.
So what does that say about McClellan's ability to play SLB? Seems to me that Bostic keeps the job unless another injury happens.
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So what does that say about McClellan's ability to play SLB? Seems to me that Bostic keeps the job unless another injury happens.
It says absolutely nothing. Bostic doesn't come out on 3rd down as Shea does. Bostic was replacing Williams on passing downs.
McClellan was not a true linebacker in college. He's played 2 games in the NFL so far as a LBer. Bears want to see what he can do. They can bring in Bostic in to replace Williams on occasional run downs and Shea on pass downs.
Now when Shea comes back I think you'll see some sort of rotation like we saw in the first 2 games. Bottom line the Bears will give their 2012 first round draft pick every opportunity to prove himself and he can't do that on the bench.
He had a decent game (added a sack) against the 49ers so there's some light at the end of the tunnel.
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ZZZZZZZZZZ
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Nice comeback.
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Briggs is the Bears' best linebacker. PERIOD
You must be in line to buy some of that Florida swampland I have for sale. Havent several people said that Briggs is on his last leg? Yet he is the Bears best LB? Now he might have been 2 years ago, I'll give ya that, but not today. If the man is the best LB on the Bears then we have some crappy LBs
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Sorry Dallas but I agree with Wshfl....
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You must be in line to buy some of that Florida swampland I have for sale. Havent several people said that Briggs is on his last leg? Yet he is the Bears best LB? Now he might have been 2 years ago, I'll give ya that, but not today. If the man is the best LB on the Bears then we have some crappy LBs
And you came to this conclusion over the span of what? 2 games? And yes some people had been saying Briggs was on his last leg after the Bill game but they've changed their tune since then.
I agree that Briggs' arrow is pointing down and Bostic's is pointing up, but I don't think they've intersected just yet. If you want to simply look at tackle totals to form your opinion so be it but Briggs is the leader of our defense and if I had to choose between the 2 for one big game - I'd go with Briggs.
Of course my opinion could change - stay tuned.
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Yes, we have some crappy linebackers. Briggs is old slow and fat. With that said, hopefully he goes nowhere until we find some replacements.. Urlacher was the same way, but we have really paid the price at that position since he has been gone..
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Jared Allen, Brandon Marshall questionable vs. Packers
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/30124908-606/jared-allen-brandon-marshall-questionable-vs-packers.html
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Oh for Christs sake! 2pt dogs at home! HOME! **** me! Go Bears! Kill those rotten filthy pricks! KILL!
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Packers are pretty healthy...plus they got their RT Bulaga back...which is huge for their offense.
Bears are again manipulating the injury list to make the Packers feel over-confident. ;D (Hey, it worked in San Fran).
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Oh for Christs sake! 2pt dogs at home! HOME! **** me! Go Bears! Kill those rotten filthy pricks! KILL!
46,
At times it defies moi how Vegas sets the odds.
We come off of a road win and they come off of a road loss.
Is Vegas seeing a trap game ?? Could be.
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Yes, we have some crappy linebackers. Briggs is old slow and fat. With that said, hopefully he goes nowhere until we find some replacements.. Urlacher was the same way, but we have really paid the price at that position since he has been gone..
LOL
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.... Dean Vernon Wormer, Animal House
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Jared Allen inactive? Well that has been a great signing so far.
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He has pneumonia and has lost 18 pounds this week alone. I would say that is serious.
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Jared Allen inactive? Well that has been a great signing so far.
I agree.. If he's that sick, it'll be several weeks before he's back to football strength..
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Ok...he gets a pass
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Wow...that's half the season for sure for Allen....it takes a LONG time to recover.
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Bears' defense 11th in points allowed, 25th in yards allowed. I will take it
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Nice drive going.
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TD BEARS!
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How'd that blitz work out for you, Capers?
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Now let's see how the D does.
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**** Conte...
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That was **** pathetic!!! Rodgers just shred our D..
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I'd blame Mundy more than Conte.
But that vanilla defense is going to get crushed today unless they can get a pick or two.
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Forte is just running guys over...
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Forte is a beast so far today.
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That was shear luck there. Thought we were screwed for sure!
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3rd and goal from the one. I hate these plays.
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10-7 Bears after another nice drive.
Now if only our defense could get a turn over.
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I don't know which defense is worse?
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They better have changed something on the D, Rodgers was like a machine on the last series..
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Terrible flag. Make up call I guess.
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Bears will be losing here soon enough. This vanilla defense is a disgrace.
Need a turnover or else.
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Yep. Defense is terrible.
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Well, Briggs made a stop there but a flag again.
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Why aren't we doubling Nelson?
Another BS flag.
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How was holding not called?
Going to 14-10 next play.
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Trestman needs to get in a ref's ear instead of just standing there
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Thirty freaking yards in penalties that WERE NOT penalties.
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Bears and Pack getting away with BS calls. This crew is beyond horrible.
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Every team has doubled Nelson this year with success. We choose not to and he is killing us.
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Mel Tucker needs to go after the season.
Please keep Trestman away from making another bonehead hire again.
Packers winning.
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WHY would you ever have Nelson one on one? Please explain.
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He has been one on one the entire game from what I can tell.
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Wow, suspect D, and suspect officiating..
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TD BEARS!!!
Nice play call.
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Now we need to stop Rodgers.. COVER NELSON!!!!
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Great drive. Packers' D is ripe for the picking
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Come on defense.
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At this rate the Packers defense will be out of gas soon.
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Double Nelson and make them beat you with Lacey. That has been the formula of success all year against the Pack.
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Rolled the dice and now its big time trouble for the Bears defense starting at midfield.
Almost worked.
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I can't fault the onside kick call. Wish it was executed better.
Trestman knows we can't stop them and they get the ball to start the half. This way maybe they score quick and the Bears can get one more possession.
Man our D sucks!
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I like the call
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One play, 15 yards.
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No way that was a first down. He lost yardage if anything plus should have been 15 against the Pack for hands to the face.
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No pressure on Rodgers, this is terrible!!
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Packers will get 7 here right before that half.
Then get the ball to start the second half. We can't win this unless our D gets their head out of their ass!
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No answer.
Bears don't score before the half is over, this game is toast.
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There has been no answer for Rodgers.
Bears vanilla defense is more melted ice cream. Not even close to a turnover or even a stop.
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No way do we win a shootout.. Our shitty D needs to step it up..
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Have to get a TD here to have any chance in the second half. A FG or no score could be bad.
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That was a TD!
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Getting hosed by the refs!
Finally it is getting reviewed.
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We need another camera angle or we are ****.
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Can't overturn that.
Bears are done for now.
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Packers also should of been called for a facemask.
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Wow that's rough
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suspect clock management, and idiot play call and throw at the end, all equals no **** points!
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Plus another stupid flag on Kyle Long this time.
Packers get another short field.
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There was no suspect clock management. Don't parrot the idiot announcer.
If they had called time out on that running play they would not have one to use for the deep throw down the field.
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I don't think the short field matters. The Packers are going to score 7 every time they get the ball.
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All the years of enduring Favre... The **** curse continues..
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There was no suspect clock management. Don't parrot the idiot announcer.
If they had called time out on that running play they would not have one to use for the deep throw down the field.
You don't call the second run, you **** homer!!
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The Bears need to blitz the **** out of Rodgers the rest of the game. Getting pressure on him is the only way to slow him down.
Who cares if you give up the big play you are all day long with out blitzing.
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I have no problem with calling a running play since the first one got them 12 yards and they got the same look from the defense.
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No way we win a shoot out, and Rogers in on Auto pilot today. They have not punted or kicked a FG. We are going to lose unless the GB refs, who gave the Bears some early phantom calls switched back. How about no calls for either team???
And unless Tucker makes monumental halftime adjustments this is going to be a tough second half to watch.
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Our DL hasn't hit Rodgers one single time. Bring all 11 guys if you have to, get his jersey dirty a little. Its not like he isn't shredding the D right now as it is.
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Willie Young has become mister invisible since starting on the right side..
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The Lions are shredding the Jets defense from what I have seen so far.
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That last drive sure doesn't do much for momentum on our side.. Terrible to not get at least a field goal..
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Another flag on these idiots on defense.
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**** clown shoes.
Get the **** off the field.
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They finally call holding on the Packers.
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Another TD pass but holding called.
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Finally a stop.
Also Rodgers is lucky he did not shred a knee or ankle on that TD that was called back.
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24-17 Pack
Come on offense.
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53 yard fg is good.
Even when they are bad they turn it to gold.
Just one of those games.
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These officials can eat a bag of dicks.
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Wow!
Cutler springs that one with a block.
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There's the pick.
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Well ****!
Now they will go up by 14.
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This is the type of game you need your qb to play smart, the throw by Cutler was not smart..
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Pack your bags, Mel.
Take some of this trash with you as well.
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This is going to get ugly... Rodgers is on fire... Another game to witness the Pack spank the Bears..
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When Rodgers has 10 minutes in the pocket you won't win turn overs or not.
Our D has stopped them one time all **** day.
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Can Cutler forget the pick and come back and play?
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He will start pressing and it will get ugly is my guess.
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He's got to show poise.. We need a TD..
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So sick of losing to the Packers.
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WTF was that throw?
Dumb ****!
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Doesn't matter what else happens here. This game was sealed at the half.
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Yep. The Bears could not afford to be behind at the half with zero defense. They have a good offense but they can't score 7 every time they get the ball.
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More clown shoes and Conte gives up the TD.
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Terrible officiating..Wow!!
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This game is a blow out.
Now a holding cal on the FG attempt.
Trestman and his clowns are such an undisciplined team it's not even funny. 38-17. Hilarious.
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These are the exact games why fans come down on Cutler. Our Defense is another story, but as big as this game is, Cutler fell apart in the second half..
Maybe he'll redeem himself (yeah, right)
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WTF is with that call on Bostic?
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special teams are definitely not special..
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This whole crew is suspect. Some of these calls are just crazy...
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It was just another BS call the refs have been making all day.
Terrible crew. The Bears got a break early on one or two but it has all been going Packers way since then.
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No call on Bostic. Not sure how you can even have a defensive holding call on a FG attempt.
But with the way they play on defense they'll never get any calls.
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The thing is, the calls aren't even close..
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Exactly...I'm starting to think the NFL is as crooked as boxing...
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**** this. Time for hockey season
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That is not a catch.
But WTF Cutler?
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The differences between the teams and the QB's are striking.
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Plus we are getting charged a time out because Trestman had to throw the flag to get them to look at it. Even though it is supposed to be reviewed automaticly.
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was worried about this game, but did not expect a blowout.
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The Bears should lobby to get the Packers into a different division.
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Now they take what looked like an INT away from the Pack but it actually helps them since it was 4th down.
LOL! Some days nothing goes right.
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At this point just send all 11 every single down. **** it!
Maybe you get a hit on Rodgers if they are stupid enough to keep throwing.
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Now they call the Packers for holding which they have been doing all day now that it doesn't even matter.
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they rarely make calls against the puke when it matters. But bad calls and no calls have not been the reason we're losing. The stink from that onside kick attempt, combined with no defense and the turnovers have combined to stick a fork in the Bears today.
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No pressure on Rodgers, and no one able to cover Jordy...
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The onside kick was not the wrong call. The ball was there to be had.
Plus the Bears defense has no answer for the Packers O. It is obvious they really needed to get one more offensive series. The game pretty much hinged on it.
You have to wonder how much of a difference Jared Allen could have made if any.
We need to get healthy on D to be able to compete with the Packers.
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BearFan, Yup. This team is garbage on defense. All of them. Including all the defensive coaches.
New year, same results. They'll be lucky to sniff 8-8.
It's Detroit's division to win.
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No punts in this game. Only second time in NFL history.
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They are 2-2 right now. If they can get to 4-4 they have a shot in the second half of the season.
8-8 to 9-7 feels about right. If they can get healthy on D I suspect they will do better.
Losing both home games and winning away games on each coast? Strange year.
Lions may run away with the division at this rate.
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They're lucky they aren't 1-3. Don't see 9 wins with this schedule.
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Yes, lots of bad calls on both sides. The extra 15 yards on Cutlers slide was as bad as the personal foul calls against the Bears. It is happening in all games. The refs are impacting the results of games and it is unfortunately becoming almost unwatchable as a fan.
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As much as I hate a Bears loss, I especially hate a loss to the Pack. Rodgers has that slippery, escape pressure and throw a touchdown quality that I just hate. Jay has that throw a pick at the critical time quality that I hate too. Trying to drown my sorrows right now.
We need major upgrades on the DL and LB. If it were not for the one play where Rodgers was knocked down, he wouldn't even have to wash his jersey for next weeks game. Sigh.
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We also need a big back that can get the tough yards. Having to go to the shotgun and pass on 3rd and 1 is pathetic.
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I just knew in the first half when every Pack possession ended in a TD we were smoked. We did force a FG in the second, but not one single punt all game. Of course Jay helped that with some INTs. Sick, just sick about it.
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I wonder on that second int if Marshall didn't run the wrong route.
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Cut throwing some picks, and fumbling balls.....who'd a thunk it?? Huh Keys....
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The pass rush really is missing Allen. He's lost 15lbs with pneumonia, so that's gonna take some time to get back on him plus getting his strength back. We sure as hell could have used him today....
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Cut throwing some picks, and fumbling balls.....who'd a thunk it?? Huh Keys....
Yes...throwing your first int after 108 int free attempts is just terrible. Cut that bastard right Sporty?We need to go find a QB that never throws an int or fumbles a snap. Any ideas on who that might be?
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You superman doesn't have any wings....just pointing out the obvious....
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A blowout like today, think that'll finally endure the fans to Cutty?.....we see a true MVP killing us while our 'supposed' MVP picks his shorts off the field and chases the guys he threw int's to....Grossman did the exact same things Cutty did today and his butt was run outta town. Fumbling the snap, lucky to get it back, and tossing picks that turn into scores.
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You superman doesn't have any wings....just pointing out the obvious....
Never claimed he was Superman. Just trying to see who you think is better and available? I repeat...108 pass attempts without a pick and not a peep from you. He finally throws one and you're on him like a bum on a ham sandwich. He will never be good enough in your eyes no matter how well he plays.
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Here's the deal....Green Bay happens to be our biggest problem, our biggest rival plus they are in OUR DIVISION. What's Cutty's record vs them? A miserable 1-9, after today 1-10. So yea, I'm just a "bit" ticked off with the guy. If he can't win in the division, what the hell are we keeping him for? The 'occasional' freak win against SF?? When was the last time we made it to the playoffs? HOW freaking long has he been with us? At some point we need to realize maybe we haven't got the guy that can win the big games that really matter and falls apart and looks like a chump doing it. No, I don't like Cutty and days...too many to count...like this are the fricking reason why....I'm TIRED of losing to these a-hats!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't think you can pin this whole loss on Cutler. Sure his INTs didn't help, but if the D had ANY FREAKIN STOPS it would have been a different situation. Just saying....
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Silly me....I thought football was a TEAM sport. Lets take your argument further. What is Forte's record against the Pack? He clearly cant beat the Pack either...he must go. I guess every player that doesn't have a winning record against the Pack must go. Do you have any idea how foolish you sound? No, Cutler is not Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees but who is? BTW...both of those guys have 1 SuperBowl win. Guess it takes more than 1 guy to win?
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BTW, Bears were still in the game till Cut threw another ill advised pass that was deflected and intercepted.....fact....
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I don't think you can pin this whole loss on Cutler. Sure his INTs didn't help, but if the D had ANY FREAKIN STOPS it would have been a different situation. Just saying....
Yep....not one punt forced by the D but it's Cutlers fault.
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BTW....Bears were still IN the game until Cut threw another ill advised pass that was deflected and int....just in case you missed that point....
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You are as dumb as Otto.
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Hard to blame this on Cutler.
The defense yes.
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The Bears were winning the game until the D gave up 3 straight long passes to Jordy Nelson and took only 2:20 to go the length of the field and score...just in case you missed that
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Did points result off of the Cut int? Yep.... I'm not giving him one fking pass, sorry. Yes, the D sucked but it SURE as hell didn't get any help from the int's!!
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Trestman said in the post game that Marshall was supposed to run a hook, not a go...
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Sporty wants guys like this back...
Steve Fuller (filled in for McMahon, 84-86)
Mike Tomczak (86-90)
Doug Flutie (86)
Jim Harbaugh (88-93)
Peter Tom Willis (92-93)
Will Furrer (92)
Erik Kramer (94-98)
Steve Walsh (94)
Dave Krieg (96)
Rick Mirer (97) (thanks, Wannstedt...)
Steve Stenstrom (98)
Moses Moreno (98)
Shane Matthews (99-01)
Cade McNown (99-00)
Jim Miller (99-02) (I miss Jim Miller...)
Chris Chandler (02-03)
Henry Burris (one start, 2002)
Kordell Stewart (03)
Jonathan Quinn (04)
Craig Krenzel (04)
Chad Hutchinson (04)
Kyle Orton (05)
Rex Grossman (06)
Brian Griese (06)
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Ehh it doesn't matter, Bears aren't going anywhere this year, again, anyhow.......water under the bridge....
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Trestman said in the post game that Marshall was supposed to run a hook, not a go...
Don't confuse him with the facts
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Well, considering the fact Cutler hasn't gotten us anywhere yet, what does that list prove? .....that Cut is right there among all of them....
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You're such a Cut apologist, it's ridiculous! The guy can do no wrong in your eyes. Wake the F up!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The D, not being able to even slow down the Packers, plus not scoring at the end of the first half, put Cutler and the offense into an almost impossible situation. He did not handle the situation well.
There's always next week
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I am wide awake. What do you think happens when the receiver runs the wrong route?
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Except for the fact that we have a better offense now than we ever had under any of those guys...are you too dense to see that?
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I just figured it out....Sporty is Joe Buck. Welcome to the board Joe.
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Yep...always the recievers fault.......both times.......both fumbles that were lucky to be recovered.....
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Has that 'better offense' resulted in much?? I'm just asking here.... in big games, does Cut get it done? Again.....just asking.....
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I before E, except after C...
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::) and that's the reply I get....typical....
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Keep your heads in the sand, guys....just keep it there.....life will be more enjoyable for ya....
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Has that 'better offense' resulted in much?? I'm just asking here.... in big games, does Cut get it done? Again.....just asking.....
Our offense has scored 92 points this season. That Green bay offensive juggernaut that you cream yourself over has scored....wait for it....92 points.
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Cutler fell apart in the second half. First half he looked great. I still say we lost a lot when we didn't score at the end of the first half. The D? absolutely horrible. Mel Tucker anyone?
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No pass rush whatsoever
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I really like cutler..... keep him. Pay him more.
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Cutler is not the Bears problem beating the Packers. Rodgers is.
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The Bears hit Rodgers a total of 0 times today. Not one hit.
You want to see why the team will go nowhere this season, it's on this side of the ball not offense.
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Gotta give props to the INCREDIBLE RETURN RUNS by our ST kick returners.
Set us up in great field position every time.
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100% agree, JBN.
You have to pressure QB's in the NFL to win. The Bears only pressured him once maybe twice all game.
We should have sold out and blitzed him. Better to go down swinging then to let him kill you slowly. Plus every hit there is a chance you hurt him.
I can't believe we did not look at how other teams have stopped their offense and did not copy it. The blueprint is there to stop their offense. Stop the run, double Nelson and get after Rodgers. We did a decent job of stopping the run, did not double Nelson and got zero pressure on Rodgers.
The Packers O-line has been terrible this season. But of course our guys made them look like superstars. I think we blitzed one time, got burned and did not do it again. I saw one stunt and we got pressure on Rodgers that play. Our guys are not good enough to line up and get pass rush. We need to use scheme.
It was absolutely stupid to not pull some of things defenses have done successfully against them and put them in our defensive playbook for this week. Line up vanilla like it is pre-season is not how you stop them. Rodgers will tear you apart.
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Cutler is not the Bears problem beating the Packers. Rodgers is.
Rodgers can be beaten with a decent pass rush. We had none. Hell, our D couldn't even force a single punt.
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Exactly Keys. Any NFL QB can pick apart a defense if he has time. Rodgers had enough time to go through all of his reads and then some. We had ZERO pass rush. I think Rodgers took one hit all day and still had enough time to throw the ball for a TD that was called back due to holding.
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Exactly...I'm not sure at this point which is the bigger need...DE or S?
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Depends on what we eventually get out of Jared Allen.
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Both defenses sucked today, the Packers were worse, giving up almost 500 yards of offense,235 on the ground and having only one sack but they had two ints. Bears also had one sack and only gave up 358 yards of offense. The difference in this game was the QB play. Rodgers was hitting everything in sight and Cut was hitting the wrong team....
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One INT Marshall was supposed to run a hook route at 18 yards and turned it into a go route. Trestman said so in his post game interview. He called it a miscommunication between Cutler and Marshall but that he called an 18 yd hook. That is what Cutler threw. Marshall kept running down field.
The other you can blame on Cutler but it was knocked into the air and flew 15 yards right into Matthews hands. There was some bad luck involved in that one as well as a poor throw or poor decision.
Cutler shares some blame but to put the whole loss on him is silly. No one guy lost that game for the Bears. There was plenty of shitty play by everyone.
The only two who get a pass from me are M Bennett and Forte. I am not sure what more we could of asked from those two.
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You just cant let Rodgers have ALL FREAKIN DAY to look for an open, or even semi open WR. He finds them, which is almost unhuman. Of course we got zero pressure. Not good. Very very disappointed in the D. Tucker should be polishing up his resume....
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I don't blame Cutler for this loss at all. I put it on the D, who couldn't stop the Pack to save their soul.
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I hear what you're saying, Peke, but consider...both defenses were terrible today. Neither was getting pressure, neither did much of anything and the Pack was worse! You need to compare sides. We've even got the better wideouts and STILL lost this game! No excuses, none. That pass supposedly to Marshall, there wasn't a Bear anywhere near where he threw that ball! It went directly to a Packer. I'd expect Marshall to be at least near it if he threw it that soon. This crap just cannot keep happening if we're going to go anywhere. NO excuses!!
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BTW, neither team punted the ball. BOTH teams defenses were terrible today....can't reiterate that enough....
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Jay's game would be so much better with a good D. Just like Favre's game. When Favre had to try and come from behind he would throw a lot of interceptions. Gunslinger win the game myself personality. You love it when you need it and it works….kinda sucks when it doesn't.
We can win with Cutler; just won't win with him with this D. Hopefully the Mel Tucker experiment is over, he is uncreative. We need someone who can get the most out of his players no matter the talent level.
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Good lord....what do you think happens when the receiver runs the wrong route and turns it up field? On the hook pass the QB is throwing to a spot where the receiver is supposed to be. If the receiver turns it up field of course there is not a Bear there.
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The problem today was give Rodgers some time, he'll bury you. Give Cut some time, he tends to get jittery and will end up over/unthrowing the ball and throw to the other team, definately moreso than Rodgers will. He overthrew a TD to Jeffery in the endzone.....lost points....
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Tucker needs to go, so lets start looking at next year. Sigh.
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Yes the throw to Jeffrey was high but he got both hands on it and it could have been caught. I would be much happier if we had a power RB and didn't have to throw every time in that situation. Forte is not a goal line back.
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I'm concerned with Allen. They said he lost 15lbs in a weeks time with pneumonia. That's pretty incredible. I would guess that would take a few weeks to recover from if it hit him so hard. But boy we sure could have used him today! I got over a bad bout of bronchitis a month ago and lost almost ten pounds in a weeks time. It took time to recover from that.
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Sporty, Rodgers is better then Cutler. I don't disagree with that.
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One thing we learned, Willie Young's not the answer..
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Allen & Ratcliff were out. That's the pass rush. BTW... McClellin was out also.
Rodgers remembers him. This game repeats itself in G.B.
Hopefully all the pass rush is back for that.
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Rodgers came out calm, cool and collective, and remained that way throughout the game. Cutler came out the same, until things started getting bumpy, then Cutler get's jittery and comes unglued.
The D absolutely killed us. Did they change anything up? Seemed as if they did a lot of 4 man rush, and it didn't pay off.. Can you say Mel Tucker..
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At Carolina next week.. Won't be a bit easier..
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The point about yards is meaningless, the Packers defense surrendered 17 points and the bears 38.
So the 400+ yards meant what?
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Somebody made a goddamn good half time adjustment, it wasn't us.
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Jackie,
I laughed out loud and was looking for a like point to hit on your post.
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MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM-boy ... did our Special Teams Returners ever get past the 20 yard line on returns?
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They only returned one and they got to the 15. The rest were touch backs.
We are down 3 pro-bowlers on D already. We should get two back at some point.
Oh and Lamar Houston left the game today also. Not sure why or how bad it is.
If this team gets healthy we can compete with anybody. No depth just like every other NFL team. If we keep losing guys on D we won't be able to beat anyone.
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Peke, sad old storyline. We're healthy, we get beat by GB.....we're not healthy, we get beat by GB. It's getting so fricking old I'm sick of it. This team has its head up its ......when playing them. We can't even beat them when they're not healthy! Cutler is 1-10 ONE and fricking TEN against them!! When is enough enough?!?? And let me be clear here, I am NOT a Cubs fan and do not accept mediocrity!!!!! You want to know why I absolutely hate Cutler?? ONE AND TEN.....THAT'S why.....
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Sick of losing to them also. They do seem to have Cutlers number. But we were losing to them an awful lot before he got here as well.
Them having back to back HOF QB's may have something to do with it.
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Where do I remember a quick slant getting picked off by the Pack? Oh yeah, Johnny Knox! Receiver needs to make a sharper cut on that and fight for that ball. JKnox didn't and neither did Morgan. But I must admit it was a poor decision by Cutler.
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Bears faced a veteran QB after having faced 3 younger college style QBs.
And with Bulaga back at RT the Packers line is pretty solid. And pretty solid is all that is needed against our front 4. Not sure Ratliff and Allen make that much of a difference today.
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I was hoping for the Bears to move Willie Young around. It was evident he wasn't beating anyone from the right side...
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Personally, it's time for Tucker to hit the fricking road. I mean, today, now...right now. That pathetic mess of a D from yesterday, from the entirety of last season, enough! For gods sake, with Rodgers falling back nearly in the grasp and he wings it 50 yards hopping on one foot to still get a completion in the endzone with three #^#$ Bears defenders standing around picking their rears....enough!!!! Fire his azz today!!!!!!!
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And I'm gonna say it one more time...we're wasting our breath hoping Cut is going to take this team anywhere. We need to seriously consider drafting a QB in next years draft.
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Tucker needs to go.. Most of us could see that last season.
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Couldn't see the game yesterday as I was working, but seeing the replays on SC was bad enough...Cutler 9 years in and still making the same mistakes!?!?! Damn! Bears give big time money to this guy, give him offensive weapons, etc., etc., and it's the same sorry performance on his part !! I'm taking Cutler off my Christmas card list.... >:(
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Yeah....who wants a QB that goes 108 pass attampts without an interception and then throws 2? He clearly sucks and must go. Who cares that he's thrown 10 TD passes in the first four games. Bring back Moses Moreno or Steve Walsh.
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Yeah or we can keep Cuttler and never make the playoffs again in our lifetime
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Yeah or we can keep Cuttler and never make the playoffs again in our lifetime
You really believe that? You guys all want to call him an int machine but completely ignore the 108 prior attempts without an int. Who do you know that is available that can match that? Ok...lets do this. Lets cut him and draft rookie next year. That will be a big improvement. Better yet...I think Vince Young is available. You guys don't realize the talent you have here. Is he perfect?...absolutely not. Is he great?..no, but he is many times better than what we have had in the past or what else is available today.
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watched the dvd late,late last night. Did Rodgers miss a pass? You can't stop someone you need to change something. Against the Jets, the scheme stayed the same and the Bears
changed people within the scheme and did well. Against GB they needed to change the defense approach and didn't and were hopeless. That's the coach. And no, I don't think he'll
be going anyware, anytime soon. It doesn't work that way in the nfl. Good game by GB, Bears 500. Ah well.
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We had a couple of issues.......
The defense couldn't stop anyone.
We didn't score before the half to retake the lead.
After BM ran the wrong route and Cutler had that pick, he started pressing.
It really wouldn't matter,if you can't stop them and you get down by 3, you lose if you are trading scores. Might as well blitz heavy. Then you either stop them or they score fast.
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I wonder if this is why Allen has been ineffective. Pneumonia doesn't develop in a couple days. Wonder if he's had bronchitis or something else during the first weeks....
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I was hoping for the Bears to move Willie Young around. It was evident he wasn't beating anyone from the right side...
When Allen is in there, he draws a double team, leaving Young with single team blocking. When Martin is out, they double teamed Young, and he just can't beat a double team.
It was the same situation for Steve McMichiels. When Dent and Hampton were drawing double teams, Steve could reach the quarterback. When they were out of the lineup, he was no longer a factor.
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There is no doubt that Cutler can't be blamed totally for this game. But he sure does need to shoulder his share. Cutler just doesn't perform well in the big games. When things go bad, he starts dragging that bottom lip. Cutler is the leader, he needs to inspire. Middle of the third we were still in it..
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You really believe that? You guys all want to call him an int machine but completely ignore the 108 prior attempts without an int. Who do you know that is available that can match that? Ok...lets do this. Lets cut him and draft rookie next year. That will be a big improvement. Better yet...I think Vince Young is available. You guys don't realize the talent you have here. Is he perfect?...absolutely not. Is he great?..no, but he is many times better than what we have had in the past or what else is available today.
Agreed!
Last week he threw that TD to Bennett between two Jets defenders on the back of the endzone. Almost no other QB makes that throw. 44 Games to go before he is out of the guaranteed money... better get used to him
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I thought another big play was one no one talked about. Earlier in the game, might have been first quarter, completes a pass to Josh Morgan at the 9. All Morgan has to do is put his shoulder down and he is in. They end up not scoring a TD, I think that was their field goal. Morgan was also partially responsible for the deflected pick.
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The defense? Man oh man!! Jordy Nelson acted like "they kept giving it to us, so we we kept taking it". Mel Tucker is horrible. How many plays did it take them to score on the first drive? Until we get a D, it won't matter what Cutler does.
Man, to be a Bears fan and have a horrible defense. Does it get any worse?
And don't forget, we play Detroit on Thanksgiving. Won't that be a sight..
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When Allen is in there, he draws a double team, leaving Young with single team blocking. When Martin is out, they double teamed Young, and he just can't beat a double team.
It was the same situation for Steve McMichiels. When Dent and Hampton were drawing double teams, Steve could reach the quarterback. When they were out of the lineup, he was no longer a factor.
Most teams double team one of our DTs and let our ends go one on one for the most part. Young was the only end doing anything yesterday - never heard Houston's name called or Trevor Scott. I don't think Young has the size to be an every down guy - he's more of a situational pass rusher. But as I said he was the only DE out there yesterday. Houston is looking more and more like a bust.
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I thought another big play was one no one talked about. Earlier in the game, might have been first quarter, completes a pass to Josh Morgan at the 9. All Morgan has to do is put his shoulder down and he is in. They end up not scoring a TD, I think that was their field goal. Morgan was also partially responsible for the deflected pick.
The bigger play was after we have first and goal on the 1 - somebody commits a penalty and we're back at the 6. And then Cutler makes that high throw to Jeffrey...and 4 points are left on the board. Just like we left 7 more points when Bennett doesn't go into the end zone. That's 11 points right there.
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I read something about maybe Suh wants out of Det next year. He is an ass bag, but we sure could use his skill set right now.
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Our defense doesn't have any playmakers. We used to have Tillman, Jennings, Urlacher, Briggs, Peppers...sometimes Melton making big plays on defense.
Now it looks like maybe Young and Fuller...sometimes Mundy or Conte. Our d-line looked like they were wearing cement boots...no explosion...no separation...no pressure.
Look at the stats. We had one pass defense. We had one sack...and that was from Rodgers running out of bounds for zero gain. No picks...no fumbles.
Bear defense bends and breaks.
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I read something about maybe Suh wants out of Det next year. He is an ass bag, but we sure could use his skill set right now.
Paea is a FA after this year. Ratliff will be 34.
I'd sign him up.
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I read something about maybe Suh wants out of Det next year. He is an ass bag, but we sure could use his skill set right now.
He wants to go to New York...
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Interesting take from Hub Arkush:
To be sure, Cutler struggled like everyone else and had several other throws that could have been picked.
But if we must assess blame, let’s start with Marshall, who averaged 10 targets a game for the entire 2013 season and the first two games of this year but was targeted only six times against the Jets and again vs. the Packers with one catch for 6 yards Monday night and two for 19 against Green Bay.
Cutler didn’t just decide to stop looking for his favorite target. Marshall obviously isn’t getting open, and if he’s making mental mistakes as well, it’s time for him to sit down and get his bum ankle healthy.
Other than that, it’s pretty hard to fault an offense that put up 33 first downs, 496 yards, rushed for 235 and was 7 of 11 (64 percent) converting third downs.
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Stats were impressive - but that 2-0 turnover margin makes all the difference in games like that...
And Rodgers had pin-point accuracy all day - he loves playing the Bears
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And why not. He didn't even get a booger on his jersey yesterday.....
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The offense had impressive numbers except for one, the score..
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Other than that, it’s pretty hard to fault an offense that put up 33 first downs, 496 yards, rushed for 235 and was 7 of 11 (64 percent) converting third downs.
Bears also had the ball for more than 36 minutes and still only put up 17 points.
Green Bay's yards per minute of possession was better than the Bears'. They just had some shorter fields to work with and sliced through the Bears' D quickly.
If you switch the time of possession the Pack would've been on pace to win 56-11.
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Jay's game would be so much better with a good D. Just like Favre's game. When Favre had to try and come from behind he would throw a lot of interceptions. Gunslinger win the game myself personality. You love it when you need it and it works….kinda sucks when it doesn't.
We can win with Cutler; just won't win with him with this D. Hopefully the Mel Tucker experiment is over, he is uncreative. We need someone who can get the most out of his players no matter the talent level.
I like your analogy, hiber. Favre did throw a lot of picks under pressure like Cutler. I remember screaming at the TV
so many times when he kicked the game away with a silly pass, but, like Cutler he had that good, strong arm. Like Favre, Cutler plays a lot better with pressure off.
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Hey...Tom Brady has 2 fumbles and 2 interceptions(including one where the receiver ran the wrong route). he sucks...New England needs to cut that loser.
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I think we have a different outcome if Cutler and the offense got to play our defense. Abysmal...
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I know your post is containing sarcasm, but Tom Brady? 5 trips to the superbowl, winning 3 of them.. Cut has a lot to prove, he has to be able to win the big games, he hasn't been able to do that. Agree, team sport. Also agree, defense was **** terrible this past weekend. And, Cutler played erratically in the second half of the game. It's too bad, considering he really looked good in the first half. We need a good D, I'm afraid we won't be seeing that under Tucker..
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I know your post is containing sarcasm, but Tom Brady? 5 trips to the superbowl, winning 3 of them.. Cut has a lot to prove, he has to be able to win the big games, he hasn't been able to do that. Agree, team sport. Also agree, defense was **** terrible this past weekend. And, Cutler played erratically in the second half of the game. It's too bad, considering he really looked good in the first half. We need a good D, I'm afraid we won't be seeing that under Tucker..
Thanks for pointing that he was fine in the first half and then went downhill. That was part of what I was trying to point out yesterday but may have not done a good job of it. After a first half in which your D has shown that it can't stop anything any QB including Brady is going to realize that he needs to score nearly every posession just to have a chance. That why the erratic decisions and forced throws. I have no doubt that was discussed at halftime among the offense if not the entire team. Our D was even worse than the Pats last night. Not a single forced punt the entire game.
BTW...Brady has won nothing since spygate was uncovered....just saying.
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This Cutler talk is nonsense. Cutler and the Bears offense would have had to play almost perfectly Sunday to tie or win. Packers scored on every possession.
No punts...no picks...no fumbles.
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Is it nonsense to think a team can play error-free football?
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I heard on Cutler's radio show that they initially didn't intend to score at the end of the half and that was the reason for the conservative 2nd run call. That's bullshit IMO. You make an aggressive call on the onside kick (which I didn't mind BTW) but you go conservative at the end of the half and let the clock run after the 2nd run?!?
The pass rush was pathetic and Rodgers was surgical. Why didn't they blitz 5, 6, 7 guys? The results and the score might have been worse, but at least you give yourself a chance to hit him once in a while and present yourself takeaway opportunities.
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Is it nonsense to think a team can play error-free football?
No and I'm not suggesting that. And I'm not sure what your definition of error-free is. No turnovers?
What I was saying was that the Bears offense would have had to convert every 3rd or 4th down or kick a field goal to keep up with the Packer's success against the Bears defense. That is, even if the Bears punted instead of throwing those picks they still might have lost.
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The pass rush was pathetic and Rodgers was surgical. Why didn't they blitz 5, 6, 7 guys? The results and the score might have been worse, but at least you give yourself a chance to hit him once in a while and present yourself takeaway opportunities.
Tucker did blitz, but just a few times. Recall the holding call on Bostic. But I agree they didn't do it enough and didn't do it with more than 1 guy.
Have the Bears even tried to blitzed a safety or a CB this year? Or even last year?
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Is it nonsense to think a team can play error-free football?
No and I'm not suggesting that. And I'm not sure what your definition of error-free is. No turnovers?
What I was saying was that the Bears offense would have had to convert every 3rd or 4th down or kick a field goal to keep up with the Packer's success against the Bears defense. That is, even if the Bears punted instead of throwing those picks they still might have lost.
Yes, no turnovers. We were highly successful on moving the ball and running the ball. We had a high percentage of 3rd down conversions but we couldn't stop them and we kept stopping ourselves with turnovers.
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I remember Ditka saying how you can only HOPE for all 3 phases of the team (O, D and ST) to play without mistakes...
Blitzes come with plenty of risk too
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I think I read somewhere that we didn't blitz because the Lions didn't and they had success. Um, Mel Tucker, we don't have the DL of the Lions, and you sure don't have the rest of the players playing the same way.
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What it boils down to is that you can't build (or rebuild) a defense in one off season. Even with free agency, you can't bring in enough good players to have enough depth to overcome attrition due to injuries. Especially in the defensive line, where it all begins.
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Cannot express how bad the defensive coaching was Sunday.
Did a good job stopping the run.
However, this soft zone that we have played for years against the pack has proven time and again not to work.
There was one first half play with the Packers in the red zone.
As the play started you could see the Bears safeties were situated in the middle of the end zone, where there were no receivers.
Rogers simply had to dump off to the receiver at the 5 yard line to walk in.
What kind of defensive philosophy is that?
After seeing the creativity of Rex Ryan giving the Bears offense problems with an undermanned defense I hust don't understand what the Bears coaching staff is thinking.
At some point a defense has got to start challenging the catch, running some creative blitzes, overloading one side before the snap, force the offense to audible and increase the possibility of mistakes.
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As the play started you could see the Bears safeties were situated in the middle of the end zone, where there were no receivers.
I remember that - it's like in baseball playing your outfielders on the warning track.
Did you notice how often Packer defenders were challenging our receivers for catches?
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Bears DBs had some tight coverage on Pack receivers on a few catches - but Rodgers was deadly accurate...
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Yeah, I understand you want to follow a successful blueprint like what Detroit did, but they should have scrapped it a lot earlier like, oh I don't know, when they drove 80 yards in 2 minutes for a TD on their 1st drive. That's on Tucker as well as the players.
Talk about deadly accurate. One of the few times there was pressure, that TD pass to Adams nullified by holding was sick.
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When Lovie was coach they frequently gave up two quick TD's to the Pack on soft zone.
By the middle of the second quarter they made changes to at least stabilize the game.
Dennis Allen was a very good Dc with Denver. Just got fired by the Raiders
Replace Tucker with Allen now.
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At this point I would take Davy Dumb Dumb as the DC.
Bring back Wandstadt! errrrr ummmmm he has a knee.
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No lets not do that. Don't need any more bad flashbacks. But I agree with replacing Tucker with JUST about anyone else.
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Just heard on a Tim Jennings interview confirm that NO halftime adjustments were made and they did not do anything different. He said it was "all on us, it doesn't matter what the offense [does], of course we're not going to change and throw out our game plan that we prepared all week for, everybody needs to their job better." In defending his coach, IMO he pretty much indicted him for being an inflexible SOB.
Can him.
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That is lame, on Tuckers part of course. I don't know if he is too stupid to make changes or didn't know what changes to make. But buddy, what you did WASNT Working, you HAVE to try something else. Sheesh.
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Agreed.
It's kind of like an offense continuing to run the ball when the defense has 7 in the box.
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Saw one nightmare over again on NFl Replay.
Bears in a zone and Packers receiver goes out and sits 5 yards behind DJ Williams and 5 yards to the left of Fuller.
Pass, catch, turn around and run for the end zone.
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What about Greg Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaache or Dick Your-on?
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There was a couple of years with those guys we had a good D.. O wasn't much though.
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Ahhhhp, he's got a knee -AHHHHHP line up for the FG
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I hear Ratliff and Slauson are likely to play Sunday. That sounds good
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I hope so. No Garza? I know high ankle take forever, but 3 weeks is a lot of time.
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We need Ratliff. Slauson will help, but I thought Ola was solid Sunday (granted the Pack D won't be mistaken for the Jets/49er/Bills d-line).
De La Puente had a poor game - Garza has his issues too but I think he goes back in there when he's ready.
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Well if Ratliff is back they probably won't sign Nate Collins. With Paea and the Bears wanting to get experience for rooks Ferguson and Sutton it doesn't appear likely they'll sign him now.
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OK now whats going on with Bushrod? Word is he's gimped.
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Looks like Bushrod is out. They say it happened in practice. He supposedly hurt his knee. Garza practiced and might be able to play, but Bushrod is a huge loss
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Seriously?
This team is cursed!
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Somebody find us a Left Tackle ... QUICK !
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How did this happen? Incredible.
If Slauson is ready to go Ola could slide over. The other option is Britten. Ola did play a lot of tackle in the preseason but it was on the other side filling in for Mills.
Bushrod will be missed - he is so incredibly solid on the left side and is a huge reason our offense clicks.
However, looking at the Panthers they really aren't a big pass rushing team so far this season...especially at DE. Charles Johnson who has given us fits in the past is sackless so far. He plays LDE but they might swing him over to the other side now.
I'd expect a lot of Forte Sunday and our replacement LT to get a lot of help from the TE.
Bushrod makes all pros look like backups and Ola/Britten could make backups look like all-pros.
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More bad news. Ratliff may not be ready to go and even though Allen is recovering you figure he will not be full strength with all that weigh loss and his stamina may also limit his snaps.
Ratliff sidelined: Defensive tackle Jeremiah Ratliff regressed Thursday on his path back from a concussion he suffered Sept. 14 against the 49ers. He sat out practice after participating to a limited extent Wednesday.
"He's still going through this process and he hasn't been OK'd," coach Marc Trestman said. "Until he is, every (concussion) is independent of itself. There's no two that are alike. Hopefully he'll be back soon, but right now he hasn't passed all the tests."
Rookie Will Sutton has started the last two games in Ratliff's place.
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Really don't see how Allen could be ready, either. The guy lost 18lbs! How do you just 'bounce' back from that??
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Really don't see how Allen could be ready, either. The guy lost 18lbs! How do you just 'bounce' back from that??
Peruvian marching powder?
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And corn flakes
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Allen will not be ready. It takess 6 weeks plus to get your full strength back from Pneumonia. He will be useless - as he has been all season long.
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Maybe he had pneumonia in the preseason??? LOL
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So far I think he's had pneumonia his entire playing time here....
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Dammit ... whats our starting lineup going to look like on DL?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>AND>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Offensive Line ?
Wow.
To put all of the starters on the same field at the same time is proving an
impossibility! This has to straighten itself out right ?
In what week do we expect everybody BACK?
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Things to bone up on before tomorrow's game:
http://www.suntimes.com/30254818-761/week-5-question-marks-for-bears-jared-allen-should-help-mia-pass-rush-step-up.html
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Need a win this week or we'll be looking up at the rest of the Division the rest of the season......
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Lots of excitement for todays game I see.....Go Bears!
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Go Bears!
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Blindside block?
Here we go with the BS calls again.
Just because you get a good block on somebody it should not be a penalty.
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Run game is clicking again..... and sure hope Cut doesn't toss a int here...
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Great start, great calls......oh brother..
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What the hell was that idiot thinking?!?? ST are a fricking joke with this team.....just unreal....
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**** clown shoes.
7-0 Panthers.
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That's how dumb the bears are....
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ST's used to be a benefit to the team, now they're a liability....how about a new ST coach to go along with a new D coach.....
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This team is starting to resemble the Jauron era, no accountability on stupid plays. I'd be in that guys ear and he'd be on the bench.....just fking stupid....
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Trestman....Jauron.....two peas from the same lame pod?? How about some fire in the belly there, Tresty....
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Great catch by Jeffries.
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Simply hopeless dumbassery.
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Why the hell was he throwing into that?? That reciever was well covered! Fking stupid....and another int results
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More clown shoes...
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Did Cutler really throw in triple coverage?
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If Marshall was triple covered...someone else was probably not....
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got lucky.
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Maybe got lucky. Cutler's sugar is off again. You can always tell.
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Think that call will stand, fumble. It is extremely close though....need the D to really step up to help this foundering offense....
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Another game of coming out of the gate not ready to play....
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Throw it right at the guy Cut.... ::)
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Nice run Forte....TD!
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There we go.
7-7.
Hopefully they have all their stupid **** out of the way now.
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glad of that.
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Little bit of clown shoe defense on the other team for a change. Looked like they were out to lunch there, lol
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what the hell is it with these guys? top to bottom, everyone is like waking up from nap. note to all bears: you ain't that good. if nothing else, last week should have proved that.
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Nice calls, made them pay for being over aggressive
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Wiilie Young!
BEARS BALL!
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wow! 1985 all over again!
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GREAT play by Young, but next time DON'T try to pick it up!! Jump on that sucker!!
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That is how you play defense.
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46, not quite.....actually not by a mile, lol
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Boy he went limp after that hit....not good....bad stinger or possible neck injury
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TD CUTLER!
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Hey, we got a rushing TD, lol...not exactly Forte but got one nonetheless
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Forte just enough blocking to get Cutler in.
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Another flag on ST's?? Do these guys practice at all??....unbelievable....
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No penalty?!? A actual return with yardage?!?? :o
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Is that our snap count now? NOW NOW NOW
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What a wierd game. Carolina looks horrible....
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D is playing pretty well. Getting pressure on most passing plays.
Hope they keep it up.
Now if the offense can keep moving the ball with out turning it over we will be in good shape.
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Forte and Cutler churning out the yards on the ground. LOL!
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Carolina's D looks asleep...weird....
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TD BEARS!!!
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That was beautifully executed.
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Get that score up before Carolina wakes up. Get a buffer zone....
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Carolina is horrible
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How come that wasn't a blinidside block?
Call it the same both ways refs.
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Briggs lit up by Cam Newton.
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Briggs with an INT.
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Now WTH weren't they doing this LAST week??? Tip Tip Tip, sheesh they've had what, four tips this game so far?? Now a int resulting?? Do this NEXT time against fricking Green Gay!
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Answer me this.....this was a automatic review?!? Doesn't that only happen in the two minute mark?? Shouldn't it be the responsibility of the coach to throw a flag to have it reviewed?? Otherwise that was a free review for the Panthers!
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WOOT NICE run by Forte!!!!
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Forte!
**** he is hurt.
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Now Goulde misses.
WTF is wrong with this team?
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What's next, a TO from ST's? WTH! Penalties, stupid plays, now Gould misses a chip shot.....?!?!?!
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Now we go into a prevent D and they march right down the field.
Way to let them back into the game.
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.......and now Tucker goes total Jaurwanny playing soft as a pillow. He still has his dumbass card
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So we go from what SHOULD have been 24-7 to now 21-14....nice fking going, Bears.....morons...
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Of course...
21-14 Bears.
Should be 24-7 at the half.
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And there you have it, the cost for going soft. ****. All it does is insure your own team doesn't have enough time. Stop playing **** 1990's Bear football!
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I hope that missed FG doesn't come back to haunt us. Letting the Panthers score, and by Greg Olsen no less, sigh. The D needs to come out fired up in the second half, and we need good Jay again. Funny he isn't really forcing it in to Marshall after he tried and it was INT. Lets see what happens in the second half.
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Afraid this is going to be a tale of two halfs. If I'm the Pants, I go no huddle. Gave the Bears fits last week....
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Damn. Panthers get lucky to get that one back.
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Look! half time adjustments!.....by the Panthers. Sutton down. super
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Now Tim Jennings down.
Soon to be all tied up. ****!
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Wheels are off the train.....clown shoes back on.....
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That wasn't a face mask. He had the shoulder.
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Tucker's vanilla defense has turned this game around.
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Now PI on Fuller.
GEEZ...
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Too fricking easy....thanks Gould for missing a chip shot and turning this thing 180 the other way
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Ah, you can always pull the fake penalty out of the bag if needed. Is tucker on the Bus back to where he came from yet?
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They're gonna let a win get away here.....absolutely need a score on this drive, can't go two dead drives in a row....hope Cut doesn't start pressing and toss another int....
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Wow they are gonna **** this away
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Back to the future for the Bears! Watch all those goofy nuts on D play like Buffoons of yesteryear! This product sucks canal water and I'm going to take a nap. Time better spent.
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Yep.
Got to have a long drive for 7.
Since the Panthers went to the no huddle the Bears can't stop them on D.
Shoot out time.
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That was a nice play design, nice run by Forte....prob called back...
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WTF?
How is that penalty?
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A WHAT!! What the F kind of penalty call is that bs!?!??
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Twice the refs have thrown flags on the Bears for blocking to good.
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This crew throws more flags in football then any other crew.
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That was a ticky tack call on roughing, too.....here we go with the fricking clown shoes refs now
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Hard to believe they ran on that play...do you realize they had NINE guys up?? Crazy....
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Well, now they can be losing by 4 soon.
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Yep. Just picking apart our soft zone just like Green Bay.
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Go man and blitz dumb asses.
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No pass rush and everything wide open over the middle.
So easy.
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I wish we could play our defense every week....
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SEE!
Blitz!
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FINALLY got to him.....good grief! Took bringing the fricking house to do it....
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Finally.
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The announcer is determined to support Tucker.
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Now the offense tries on the clown shoes for a bit...
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Clown shoes....be in the endzone here soon. Safety? Better watch it!
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Three and out. They will get great field position.
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We never go deep anymore....need to stop all this underneath crap. They're just sitting on it!
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That was pathetic.
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D holds.
Bears start at the 20. Need a nice long drive for 7 to ice this game.
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Sigh....Bears need to match the intensity of the Pants here....D needs to really step it up and get some pressure
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Allen done a thing all day?? C'mon!! We need you right now
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Great defense. Now they need a TD
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THANK YOU Carolina for running a total brain dead play there.....we needed it...
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59 is a beast for the Panthers. He has been hitting Forte all day.
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**** Cutler gives the game away...
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No defending Cutler there.
What an idiot. Now we'll lose. They deserve after that.
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Here we go with fricking Cut again.....way overthrows the reciever, nice job.....
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Great job Cutler....they score a TD here, it's YOUR azz that's the cause of this loss!!!!!!
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Tied game thanks to Cut....
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Wow.. another int..
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24-24
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He was on his butt when it came out....
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This team sucks. They all suck.
Even the good players suck. This team is a disgrace. Pure fumble.
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Nope...TO.....good god....
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Nope. Panthers ball.we lose.
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They have done nothing on offense for two weeks now in the second half scoring wise.
Trestman is starting to become a real question mark.
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wtf?
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This game's over.....
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Games like this are maddening....should have beat these clowns.....
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Panthers win.
Doesn't matter. This team needs so many holes fixed on it. They weren't going to the playoffs this season anyway.
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Our special teams are certainly special. As in they rode the short bus to school every day.
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Hey Williams, make sure you run head long into the pack of pants right in front of you.....clown shoes....
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What a bunch of suck ass
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Stare the reciever down, Cutty.....nicely done...
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Hey Tresty, your POS team is going down in flames.....and so will you if you don't get this **** team under control.....
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Wow! This team sucks!
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BOOOOOOOO!!! This team needs some fricking Lysol disinfectant!!!
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Cutler gets planted and fumbles.
Panthers win. Ever since that final drive in the 2nd half that was it.
This team is garbage, so is the coaching staff.
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Wow.... 21-7 and we **** lose! These are the games that make fans question Cutler..
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No heart at all. Brain dead POS Bears. You had a 14 point lead kicking a chip shot FG, and pissed it away.
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WHAT THE ****!!!! Ok how many times in the second half did Cutler pass to Forte who slipped thru the line with Kuechly 5 inches behind him? Hey stupid, he is the best player ON THE OTHER TEAM......the bears suck, and will be lucky to get to .500 this year.
Sadly, the D kind of looked like it was doing something when Conte was in, when he left they fell apart. Then bad Jay showed up and it was all over. And I would have bet a million dollars that that **** Greg Olsen would have scored the winning touchdown.
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I am over Cutler. Just because he has the best arm of any Bears qb, that isn't really saying much. Did you see him on the sidelines after his turnovers, not even bothering to look at the tablet with Kromer. Piece of ****, cant wait until he is a former Bear.
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Cutler was awful today, just awful
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I am still worked up, and I only had 2 beers. Maybe I should have had more, to numb the anger. And Jared Allen did almost as much today as he did last week. I think it is time to get Vereen in at S, lets see if the can do more/better than McCray. And how many 20 yard passes did Newton complete in a row in the second half? The Falcons are going to smoke the Bears next week, I don't even want to think about it.
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This offense is lazy, sloppy and undisciplined. Rudderless.
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Falcons will put 40 plus on this trash.
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I can see now why they don't throw the deep balls anymore. Cutler's accuracy sucks! He either underthrows, overthrows or throws it to the wrong team. I laughed out loud when the announcer said of Cutlers dirt ball 'he usually throws such accurate and strong passes'. Obviously hasn't watched much of Cutler. We're going down in flames and this year we don't have McCown to pull us out of the spiral. So gonna be a funnn rest of the season, boys....hang on cuz it's gonna get fugly.....and I see some are awakening to Cut. Clown shoes Cutler.....
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Again there is plenty of blame to go around.
The offense was clicking and the defense sucked. Then the D played ok and the offense went to ****.
The ST was terrible again. Goulde missed a chip shot FG.
The refs are even terrible. They call stupid bullshit penalties against both teams which stop drives and effect the game. The NFL is really becoming hard to watch if you actually love the game.
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has Mel Tucer been fired yet???
The complete bend don'tbreak at the end of the first half was a JOKE!!
HOW THE F do we have a defenseback on the winning touchdown lined up 3 yards deep in the end zone on Greg Olsen? INSANE! Freaking insane.
WHERE the F isw the blitz?
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I was a fan of his when he was running for his life, making plays, under Mike Martz. Now that it's all right there for him, surrounded by weapons, a "great" offensive mind "guiding" him....
I don't know. I do know we're stuck with him through the 2016 season....
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We've scored a total of 3 points in the second half in the last two games....against TERRIBLE defenses.
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Stelz, you nailed it. That article I posted awhile back where the writer documented all that was put in place for Cut to be successful and yet he isn't...that's the painful truth right now....
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Culter...two picks and fumble. brutal.
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Any quality at the top of next year's draft?
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I am going to jump on Dallas's bandwagon. All we need is a few more wins like last Sunday and today. What a wonderful game we played today. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I don't want to stoke any fires, but Beerfan is right, we scored 3 points in the second half of the last two games against VERY suspect D. And how many plays of 20+ yards does Mel Tuckers D give up? I know, Dallas is going to say it is the players, but over and over and over again, it makes me think maybe the scheme maybe isn't so great. Qb after Qb figure out where the open spot is. Maybe we should CLOSE THE OPEN SPOT.....just saying.
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These guys, with their inconsistent play, will almost never beat a good team, and as often as not will not beat a bad one. I think 8-8 is a real stretch at this point. Your 2014 Bears, after the last two weeks, crumbling in the crunch, feel like 5-11...
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Boogie - it's because Mel Tucker plays such predictable and vanilla D. ANY decent QB who sees the same crap thorughout the game will eventually pick it apart. And at the end of the game and end of the half they're in bend don't break D - Prevent D prevents you from winning.
Tim Jennings said they made ZERO adjustments at halftime against the Peckers.
ALSO - we only blitzed 26 times in the first 4 games. We put ZERO presure on QBs. Where the F is the blitz? Vanilla D DOES NOT work and never did .
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We have so much talent on O that average QBs could come in and run this O....I am tired of Cutler and his tunovers. It's endless. YOU THROW 2 picks a game and you will lose.
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I know the Patriots are not doing so great this year, but the Bears are JUST what Tom Brady needs for a tune up. I think we might set some NFL records in that game, and not ones we want to be part of.
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Right, the Bears D is just the medicine for whatever ails an opposing offense. Can't get your running or passing attack going? Play the Bears.
Say there was a hunter, but he was a poor shot. The Bears are like a deer that would keep walking slowly, 20 yards in front of the hunter, over and over until he finally hit his target.
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The Bears spent $67,000,000 on Jared Allen and Lamarr Houston in the offseason and so far, that has bought 0 sacks
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IMO...This team from coaches to players were not ready to play 4 quarters
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They always seem to only play two quarters of good football in each phase if that. Something is jacked up with that.
Granted they have a ton of injuries but they need to pull it together.
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Unlike last week when I thought Cutler was getting bashed unfairly his two ints today were brutal. With that said I am not giving a pass to the special teams, Gould, or Forte. If you are going to complain about late game int's you have to do the same for Forte on his fumble.
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Right....no one was very good today, but this was Cutler's worst game in a long time. He was terrible
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The Bears spent $67,000,000 on Jared Allen and Lamarr Houston in the offseason and so far, that has bought 0 sacks
I was just thinking the same thing. Houston was never a sack machine, but he cant even sniff a tackle even. And Allen, Mr I have gotten double digit sacks the last 10 years has NONE. Plus you cant mean to tell me that Ratliff is the one person who makes the whole DL work.
As far as ST, they are brutal, just brutal. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hester return TWO for TDs next week.
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They kept talking about his completion percentage, but it was a bunch of short passes that didn't amount to much. He was off the mark all day. In the second half, he threw those terrible interceptions, and with two time outs and a chance to force OT...nothing.
He's gotta make that thing work and it just hasn't this year, not consistently.
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Still thinking about D, why was Christian Jones the undrafted rook LB playing in the second half?
And to pile on Jay some more, he is not good under pressure, whether it be D rushing pressure or mental/game on the line pressure. That last play they only rushed 3 guys and he gets sacked and fumbles. Are you kidding me???
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That was poor coaching. 59 was on Forte all day. As soon as he caught a pass he was hit. That is the Panthers best player so use it to your advantage.
Pull him from where you want to go or make sure you got him blocked. Forte took a season worth of abuse in this one game and we still lost.
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Cutler's had some nice game winning drives in years past but this year, with it on the line, not so much. And halftimes have been bad for him the last two weeks. Come on, the games are 60 minutes long....
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Enjoy the cellar, fellas.
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That game was some of the absolute worst special teams I have ever seen. WTH is with that idiot running down and tackling the guy before he even gets the ball?? That's grade school crap. And THEN for everyone to just stand around for three seconds while the balls on the ground and no one bothers to secure it, so the Pants just pick it up and score. Just unreal stupidity. And all the penalties, just game after game stupidity. The one person that has to be fired here is DeCamillis. If they don't find some accountability soon, they're going to have a fan riot at Halas Hall!
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You beat us and Minny with their 3rd string QB. I wouldn't start my celebration of the Pack is back quite yet Otto.
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That's twice now that bear players have stood around stupidly looking at the football. That's not a coincidence. Stealing money is what the coaches are doing right now. These guys didn't forget
how to play. Did they not think the rest of the nfl was full of guys coaching as smart as or smarter then they are? The game isn't played in a vacuum you know. The bright shining future is getting
dimmer and dimmer.
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I don't think this play was in the catagory of the one you are comparing this to. Granted I was watching in a bar and couldn't rewind to look at it closely but I don't recall seeing a lot of "standing around".
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Forte and Cutlers bone head plays at the end cost us the game. Hang onto the ball and march down the field, eat up clock and any score wins us the game, or at least ties the game up. Cutlers starting to fall apart. The least bit of adversity and he starts pressing and making bad decisions.
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I see talk of Rex being on the hot seat. If he's let go, fire Tucker and hire Rex..
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Forte doesn't fumble very often - I'd give him a break - he was fighting for a couple extra yards
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Don't give Gould a pass either. The miss changed the momentum. Plenty of blame to go around including Cutler, Forte (he seems to want to dance around too much these days), Bennet who dropped more than a couple passes...going to be a long season.
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Defensive breakdowns: Injuries were an issue again on ‘D,’ as the Bears lost Chris Conte to a concussion and Jon Bostic to a back injury, thrusting Danny McCray and Christian Jones into the lineup, which didn't help the cause starting with Carolina's final drive of the first half. The Bears held Cam Newton to only 6-of-15 passing to start the game, until that drive, when he connected on 5 of 6 passes, including a touchdown.
This is Contes second concussion. Not good....
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A little more:
3. It’s got to be concerning for the Bears that safety Chris Conte, who didn’t finish two games earlier this season with a shoulder injury, was knocked out of the game with a concussion. It is the second concussion in less than seven weeks for Conte, who suffered one in the Aug. 22 preseason game at Seattle.
Conte was injured in the first quarter when he tried to put a hit on 6-foot-5, 240-pound Panthers wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin leading to a forced fumble on the play by nickel cornerback Isaiah Frey. Conte wobbled getting up but was on the field when Carolina’s next possession began. He came out after that one play and was taken to the locker room at that point. It was a little surprising the initial wobbling didn’t get him sent to the locker room from the get-go. The team later announced Conte had a concussion.
These two concussions are not the only ones for him. Conte suffered a concussion in the preseason finale in 2011 during his rookie season against the Browns. Before that, Cal defensive coordinator Bob Gregory told the San Francisco Chronicle and Contra Costa Times in April 2009 that Conte was missing time in spring ball following a concussion sustained in a scrimmage. That is a total of four concussions there. Then, there is the Week 16 game at Philadelphia last season. Conte hit his head on the turf at Lincoln Financial Field in the first quarter of that game and was taken to the locker room. He passed a concussion test on that occasion.
Head injuries are scary for players and clubs and you have to wonder what this means for the immediate future. The 25-year-old, who is in the final year of his rookie contract earning $1.431 million this season, is struggling to stay healthy and the concussions are more concerning than the shoulder injuries. Recurring concussions are serious business.
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What kind of jello is his favorite?
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Concussion mostly happen when you lead with your head.4 concussioin mean you're clueless on how to tackle.
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Some individuals are more susceptible to brain damage...
My ancestors have long history of hard-heads...
My kids have no concerns about concussions
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Trestman and the Bears staff are rebuilding an old team and doing a good job of it but they are not deep enough at this point to withstand this rash of injuries. They really need to come up with a new QB, though, in order to excel.
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A couple of comments.
Forte fumbles, but remember he had some type of hand/wrist injury earlier in game….did that play a factor?
Cutler really needs to stop throwing INT our team is not good enough to overcome those mistakes.
We are slow at LBer. Bostic is playing well.
Ferguson played well. Looks like Emory can draft in the second round.
Our S are killing us. They really, really suck bad. For the life of me I don't know why they didn't do more to address this.
Lamar Houston needs to stay off twitter until he gets more than 1 tackle a game….waste of money.
I. Frey is looking like a nice player that adds depth.
I really think defense coaching and scheme is killing us more than anything. Its easy to say, but I see talent in Fuller, Bostic, the young DT's. However I don't see creative schemes. There is no doubt in my mind that Tucker gets canned this season. I just hope they can get strong D coordinator that can be a co-coach. Hopefully someone with real fire in their belly.
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Cutler is not going to stop throwing KEY picks - he never has. I think these jokers in the Bearsfront office thought if we give him this big contract he will become a better QB - it doesn't work that way.
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Hey beerbelly
The cutter was a .500 QB and coach killer at Denver....its news to you that he is a .500 player and coach killer at chicago???
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Hey troll who let you out of your cage?
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Sporty was right about Cut.....yes, I'm gonna toot my friggin horn :P
Hiber, good observations and you're dead on.....
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Denver fans previously bemoaned Cutler's ups and downs too - he needs to put more "touch" on some of his passes...
Too much testosterone or adrenaline sometimes
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So who do you guys want to see at QB next year.?
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It's his disease. He may say it doesn't affect him....but it does. Diabeties is an awful disease, he's wildly fortunate to able to control it at all.
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How about this guy? Maybe the QB-whisperer can make him a star...
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Dolphins-sign-Jordan-Rodgers-Aaron-Rodgers-brother.html
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What is Billy Concannon doing these days. Maybe Joe Avellini....
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Jack Concannon
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We keep losing we will have a shot at Marriotta out of Oregon.
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Cutler is not going to stop throwing KEY picks - he never has. I think these jokers in the Bearsfront office thought if we give him this big contract he will become a better QB - it doesn't work that way.
Cutler will stop throwing key picks when the team gets to the point where it is not necessary to score a touchdown EVERY possession. No quarterback can be expected to score on every drive.
As long as we can't even hurry the opposition quarterback, our defense will suck and our offense will be under overwhelming pressure. And mistakes happen when under overwhelming pressure.
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I don't see us wining in Atlanta.
Wonder if Hester will have a big game? Our special team sstink.
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If I was in Vegas I would put some money on Hester scoring at least 1 TD, maybe multiple.
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I don't see us wining in Atlanta.
Wonder if Hester will have a big game? Our special team sstink.
That's crossed my mind. I definitely don't expect a win in Atlanta. As for Hester he has something to prove to Emery. He certainly will want to prove he was right and the Bears were wrong. I look for him to have a big day. Its obvious to many that Emery's remake of the defense hasn't been successful to date. It sure doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that. He has just changed the tip of the iceberg. He hasn't even gotten to the special teams yet either.
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The Bears were not wrong on Hester. His salary didn't fit.
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OK. 21-7 lead and they lost.
Of course it's Cutlers fault. How did I know that was going to be the tone of this topic before reading it?
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Well our D does stink, but THREE total points in the last two games second halves You cant pin that on anyone but the O, and since Bad Jay showed up, he gets the blame.
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I wonder if other teams fans have this Good/Bad thing going or is it unique to Chicago? Good Rex...Bad Rex...God Jay...Bad Jay.... Unless your QB is named Peyton Manning or Tom Brady your QB is going to have good games and bad games. I don't know why we obsess over it when there are so many other problems as well. Yes, there are teams with more consistent QB's. There are a hell of a lot more as bad or much, much worse.
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Because Bad Jay make stupid stupid mistakes over and over again that absolutely just kill the team.
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CHRIS BODEN
CSNChicago.com
A banged-up offensive line. A rich quarterback with one career playoff win. An elite wideout tandem. An inability to finish strong the last two weeks.
The Bears? Yeah. But that describes their opponent this week, too.
The Atlanta Falcons have also dropped to 2-3 but are at least heading home to their climate-controlled indoor track after venturing into the great outdoors and getting their own slice of humble pie after a 56-14 rout of Tampa Bay on Sept. 18. They rallied from a 13-point deficit at Minnesota 10 days later to take a 28-27 lead into the fourth quarter before losing to Teddy Bridgewater and the Vikings. That might not have been the worst part of the loss, which we'll get to in a moment. Sunday, they went to the Meadowlands and led the Giants, 20-10, before losing, 30-20.
Offense
Matt Ryan leads the NFL's second-rated passing offense (319 yards per game) but has one fewer touchdown pass (11) and as many interceptions (six) as Jay Cutler. Julio Jones leads the league in catches and receiving yards (40, 552), while Roddy White has been quieter so far fighting through bumps and bruises (16 catches, 213 yards). While both members of that dynamic duo were lost to injury in the Falcons' tumble from NFC Championship Game to 4-12 a year ago, Harry Douglas picked up some slack with a career-best 85 catches. And while future Hall of Fame tight end Tony Gonzalez has kept his promise this time to retire, Devin Hester's been welcomed into the offense with 14 grabs for 212 yards and a score.
Stephen Jackson can still bash and barrel in his 10th season if not break away (3.8 yards per rush), but the more dangerous weapon out of the backfield just might be 5-foot-9 Antone Smith, who's been in the league five years, primarily used on special teams. But since the start of last season, he's provided a Darren Sproles-like six touchdowns on just 24 touches, including an explosive 74-yard catch-and-run Sunday.
Good thing the Falcons used their sixth-overall pick in May on Texas A&M tackle Jake Matthews. Without him, who knows what former Bears O-Line coach/offensive coordinator Mike Tice might have to work with? Left tackle Sam Baker blew out a knee in the preseason. And in that loss to the Vikings, Tice lost center Joe Hawley and right tackle Lamar Holmes for the season, and starting guard Justin Blaylock watched with a back injury. So now, Tice has to lean upon, among others, practice squad guard Harland Gunn, and ... ready? Gabe Carimi!
Special Teams
Back to Hester. After finally becoming the league's all-time record-holder for return touchdowns against Lovie Smith and the Bucs, how much do you think Hester would like to tack on to that number versus the team he'd previously established his greatness with but that didn't want to bring him back (albeit strictly as a returner, at the price he was asking)? And do it while his former club still has no answer for a replacement? Not to mention, versus "green," shaky coverage units, at best? And, oh, Eric Weems rejoined the Falcons after the Bears didn't think he was good enough for the job, either. Keith Armstrong, the Bears' pre-Dave Toub special teams coordinator, runs that show in the A-T-L.
Defense
From the opening credits of "Hard Knocks" on HBO this preseason, we were thumped over the head about the Falcons' need to re-establish toughness after being pushed around from Opening Day of 2013 to a nine-game shift in the win-loss standings from 2012. Tice was the poster boy to change that in the offensive trenches, and cigar-puffing former Bears linebacker Bryan Cox was brought in to re-establish the neanderthal gene on Atlanta's D-line. Well, despite forking over a combined $58 million in five-year free-agent deals to ex-Chief Tyson Jackson and former Dolphin Paul Soliai, plus the drafting of Ra'Shede Hageman in the second round, the Dirty Birds have ... four sacks. Four. Tied for second-worst in the league.
After seeing Luke Kuechly fly all over the field for 15 tackles Sunday in Charlotte, the Bears will now face the league's second-leading tackler. Linebacker Paul Worrilow wasn't a first-round pick, but a look-what-we-found undrafted free agent in 2013. He led the team in tackles a year ago as a rookie, and his 58 are three behind Kuechly's league-leading total. Sean Weatherspoon was lost to a torn Achilles' in the offseason, and defensive coordinator Mike Nolan's turned to fourth-round pick Prince Shembo from Notre Dame, who's second in tackles on the club to Worrilow.
The Bears catch a break in not having to face downhill, hard-hitting safety William Moore, who was also lost in the Vikings game to a shoulder injury. Thomas Dimitroff used his first two choices in the 2013 draft on cornerbacks Desmond Trufant and Robert Alford. Both have shown signs of being worth the picks but have yet to be judged clearly due to the lack of a pass rush.
History
The Bears last played in Atlanta in 2008 and 2009. In '08, Kyle Orton hooked up with Rashied Davis for a touchdown with 11 seconds left for a 20-19 lead after the extra point. Robbie Gould was instructed by Dave Toub to "pooch" the ensuing kickoff, returned by Douglas to Atlanta's 44. After a quick completion from Ryan to Michael Jenkins gained 26 yards along the sideline, Matt Elam kicked a 48-yard field goal as time expired for a 22-20 Falcons win.
A year later was a theme of the Jay Cutler Era to this point. He threw for 300 yards and two touchdowns. But in the forth quarter, he was intercepted for the second time in the game at the Atlanta 9. Matt Forte fumbled on back-to-back carries from the Falcons' 1, the second of which was recovered by the home team. There was still a chance, but Orlando Pace was called for a false start on 4th-and-1 from the 5-yard line. Falcons 21, Bears 14.
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This game, Birds 42-Bears 13. It might be worse than that..... Bears are in disarray and in shelter in place mode with fans ready to burn the friggin hut down....
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But the game is on turf, so maybe Jarred Allen puts some weight on and finally reaches Matt Ryan....
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OK...lets ignore everything else like the Forte fumble or the Williams special teams error, or Marshall running the wrong route or the Marshall fumble in the Buffalo game , or missed field goals or special teams that can't bring a kick-off back farther than the 10, or abysmal safety play or terrible pass rush. If we only had a different QB those problems would all disappear.
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If Cutler had actually done something like, maybe, Rodgers who took his team to the SB, maybe some of his boneheaded crap gets overlooked. Instead, he's taken himself out of key games....no, I'll never let him off the hook on the GB championship game,no friggin way....and he has one playoff win.....one..... do something, then we'll talk....
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So explain which of the problems I presented that we would not have if we had kept McCown as you wanted?
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We won't know that, will we, because maybe McCown throws that TD instead of that pick or makes that deep pass play instead of throwing it into the dirt or doesn't throw into triple coverage, etc etc etc. and those bonehead plays get overlooked. But we won't ever know. Never once said we don't have other problems, every team does, but good QB's can overcome those. Rodgers does it with GB all the time. Their D was WORSE than ours and they beat us by three TDs....
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Or maybe McCown plays like he has in Tampa which was is horrible. That doesn't change the fact that right now Cutler is not the main problem.
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I wonder if other teams fans have this Good/Bad thing going or is it unique to Chicago? Good Rex...Bad Rex...God Jay...Bad Jay.... Unless your QB is named Peyton Manning or Tom Brady your QB is going to have good games and bad games. I don't know why we obsess over it when there are so many other problems as well. Yes, there are teams with more consistent QB's. There are a hell of a lot more as bad or much, much worse.
The ones with good/bad QBs don't win SBs. To win you need "the man" at QB. Get one and you are set for 10 years.
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Yeah...Trent Dilfer says hello...
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I think Allen finally earns a paycheck this Sunday. I hope. What I want to see is if Allen is a product of playing on turf or did he his skills vanish with the turn of the calendar.
If we can control Hester from exploding, I think we get another win this Sunday. I think we all felt that if we could be at 4-4 coming out of the bye, we would be set up for a good second half with a weaker schedule. With a win, we would be back on track.
What has happened is that we dropped two games we should have won, and now our angst is up. And I think we took one that we normally would have lost at San Fran. Funny game
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Looking at the second half of the schedule, we have the Lions twice, which will be tough, the Pack, and the Cowboys. The schedule might not be as easy as we thought.
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Was this one of the "illegal blindside" blocks?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-brandon-marshall-wrongly-penalized-20141007-htmlstory.html
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he's taken himself out of key games....no, I'll never let him off the hook on the GB championship game,no friggin way
Are you really saying this? Cutler went back in after knowing he was hurt. He could not perform. He had a knee injury. Partially torn ACL. You are holding that against him? Would you rather he RGIII'ed it and gone back and totally blown out the knee so he misses an entire year?
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There was a lot of overreaction to the GB (championship) game (myself included). Once the truth came out most of us realized that it was the only way to go (cut coming out of the game). That should certainly be behind us by now. Blame for that should fall on the GM and the coaches for not having a better backup..
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To blame Cutler totally is not seeing the whole picture, but to say he isn't a big part of the problem is being naive...
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Are you really saying this? Cutler went back in after knowing he was hurt. He could not perform. He had a knee injury. Partially torn ACL. You are holding that against him? Would you rather he RGIII'ed it and gone back and totally blown out the knee so he misses an entire year?
I think you already know the answer to this...
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The only QB's I see not being complained about by their fans are Rogers, Brady Manning, Luck, Rivers, Wilson.
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Yea I'm saying it and have been. Look, alot of players came out and said the same thing I did...you'd have to DRAG my arse out of that game! The fact that it came against our biggest rival in the biggest friggin game of the century did not help at all. Have not other QB's and players played through that kind of injury? I'm absolutely sure of it. Would they do it especially in the biggest game of their careers short of a SB appearance? I would have at least liked a fricking gut check...go out a few times try to make it happen. He sat his azz on the bench. Didn't go back, sat on the bench. Yea, I got a problem with that...you betcher arse I do and that's a huge reason I cannot stand the guy. Your THISFRICKINGCLOSE to the big dance, your team needs you, against a hated rival...you push through pain, injury, whatever is needed. The guy is not a running back. Robert Griffin...RGIII, while at Baylor tore his ACL. He finished a half of football and scored three TD's. John Elway played his entire career without a ACL! Logan Mankins played with a torn ACL. 2002, Donovan McNabb broke his ankle in three places, he got taped up, returned and threw for 255 yards and four TD's. Jack Youngblood of the Rams years ago played THREE games with a broken leg. Phillip Rivers played a playoff game vs the Pats with a blown ACL. The point is this wasn't just any ol game. It was a NFC Championship game to get to the SB and against GB at home. Those two things right there are enough to give it everything you got. Chicago would expect nothing less. I've said my peace on it, you know where I stand and I'm not changing my feelings on it.....we need a tough QB that won't give up in the most trying times and when the team and the city needs you the most...
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Might as well chalk it up to the will of the great FOOTBALL God in the sky - sometimes **** just happens
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They make toilets to take care of that problem.
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True but why do the Packers get Brett Favre followed by Aaron Rodgers???
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Because they do their homework correctly. They draft better players. We didn't draft Cuttler. Look at all the QBS we drafted. Admittedly Cutler is better than that garbage but the Bears never felt the need to draft a quality QB. They always felt any mediocre QB could do an equal job. Hopefully Emery and company can get the evaluation process under control and Cuttler is just a stopgap till we can find and develop a replacement
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I'm hoping the same thing. Hope they continue to develop young guys to take Cutlers place in the future..
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I think it comes down to philosophy.
If you have a past DC as your HC he is going to want to draft more and spend more on defense and vice versa if they were a OC. The bears have spent the lions share of resources on defense for ages.
They had some darn good defensive players. If we keep doing the same on offense we will eventually develop a pretty good QB ourselves.
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If we keep doing the same on offense we will eventually develop a pretty good QB ourselves.
Perhaps, provided they are 5th, 6th, 7th, or undrafted FAs. When the Bears step up to the 4th round (Orton) then its time to be surprised. Fales was taken where? And yeah one can argue we had bigger needs elsewhere to improve the roster. Lets see what happens to Fales by next training camp, likely dumped for another 6th rounder wunderkind
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**** IT MOTHERFUCKERS!!
JJ will take any fuckin BEARS DEFEAT from here on out ...
but not because we are backing up motherfuckers !!
But because we played our HEARTS out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats my CHICAGO BEARS.
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This is why I hate late games. They go to "bonus coverage of Carolina Cincinnati game and it goes to OT.
I am missing the **** game.
WTF FOX!?!?!?!?!
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Why would you show this game in Central Illinois?
It is **** stupid! Especially with the new OT rules. No one cares about these two teams in Illinois.
I am going to miss the entire first quarter. Fucktards!
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Cutler just got a concussion....if he didn't...wow, I dunno how he didn't
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Wasn't Atlanta supposed to be a contender? They're not very good.
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neither are the bears
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Man I really hate the hitting defensless receiver penalties. It the stuipidest **** rule ever!
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Nice stand by the D!
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Welcome Peke...exciting finish to the All-Kitty Bowl I see! ;D Bears are sucking less than the Birdies so far!!
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Yeah **** FOX! Who cares about those two teams. I missed a quarter and a half.
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I notice Hester is playing defense for the falcons.
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Hester is #17 on the Birdies
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OK thanks.
I saw 23 but didn't think it looked like him getting beat by Marshall. But then they did not show his face very well.
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Ok so lets see how we do in the second half. Still waiting for good ole Jared Allen to do something. The D doesn't look too bad with the new LB corp. Also need to see if the O can not implode and go into a shell. They only have a 10 pt lead and ATL gets the ball to start the second half....
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Another concussion for Conte it looks like. Got hit by his own guy.
I think his season is done. Maybe his career. You can't take that many concussions right in a row.
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Conte holding his head again, and didn't even take a direct blow.
He really should consider calling it quits, before his brain is mush...
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1at and 29 and they give up not only the first but the TD as well.
Tucker looking totally clueless on the sideline.
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So the D goes from playing well to sucking in the second half.
Let's hope the D doesn't start sucking also.
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*sigh*
Why do they fall apart in the second half every week?
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Bears about to blow another one.
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Bears get a Td then the ST get the xtra point blocked!
Damn it!
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Defense steps up and ST continues to step on their own dicks!
Hopefully the offense can keep it going and put this game away.
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Why do I feel we're going to lose this game for sure.
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Because your team sucks.
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Why do I feel we're going to lose this game for sure.
Past history?
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Number 53 LBer for us (how bad is it that I don't even know the guys name) is a freaking improvement. He is hitting people all over the place.
Its pretty telling when you replace all 3 of your lbers and it is an improvement. Briggs is over the hill.
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Yeah have to think a few of our starting LBers are not going to get their job back.
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I was wondering the same about 53...that guy is all over the place. All 3 have been doing a pretty good job so far.
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TD BEARS!
Hell of a drive. Way to over come the penalty.
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2 pt conversion good!
Nice!
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FORTE!!!! TD BEARSSS!!!!
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Well....it's official Atlanta has a worse defense than us. Atlanta's D is on par with the Peckers D.
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So who is #53?
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You keep fooling yourself beerbelly...
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53 = Darryl Sharpton
No idea who he is. Off the street. Played for Houston last year.
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Darryl Sharpton #53 LB
Height: 5-11
Weight: 235
Born: January 1, 1988
Birth Place: Coral Gables, Florida
College: Miami (FL)
Draft: 2010 4ᵗʰ round (4ᵗʰ pick) by the Houston Texans
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**** I hope they let Mr. Sharpton start next week ;D
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**** I hope they let Mr. Sharpton start next week ;D
Hell yeah. This crew is holding a pretty good offense to 13 points in their own building. Not bad...not bad at all
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Carey needs to get more, er, carries.
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Who is Hurst?
Nice pick but should have knocked it down it was 4th down.
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Looks like Jared Allen is back. Love how our defense played for most of the game.
Our ST still suck though. Like the new punter.
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Cutler has been smart with the ball all day. Wish he could do that every week.
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Our punter has done a nice job of keeping Hester out of the game yet not killing us with field position.
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Young is a beast when other teams are worrying about Allen.
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Ryan had not been sacked the entire year until today. I think Young has three and Allen has one and a half. Even Houston got some nice hits on him.
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Loving the cheering Bears fans. They are pretty damn loud.
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Allen looked good, but, remmebr, this is artificial turf.....we play most of our games on grass.
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Dam...we have been in every game this year and had a chance to win each game....when good Jay shoes up - we win!
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Nice win but the Birds had 7 drops. That's unreal. We're getting more production out of people off the street than our starters! WTH is with that? Whosit at MLB and whatsit at Safety...and it's working! Think we need to keep this lineup for awhile, see how it plays out. 53 was all over the field with big hits. Now we go back home and will prob lose to the Phins. Crazy year....Dallas is no.1? Very crazy....
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Those 7 drops were caused by our D lighting the Falcon receivers up. They were pounding them all game long.
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This team lives and dies, especially dies, with the pass rush. That is where they should put their money next year.
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They won't replace todays lbrs will they? You've got to be kidding. They ALL start IMO.
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Those 7 drops were caused by our D lighting the Falcon receivers up. They were pounding them all game long.
Totally agree. We need to be hitting every teams WRs, and make them hear footsteps. And Ryan was skittish from getting hit. We do that to Rodgers and he wont be picking us apart. Well until the Refs start calling penalties. But can Tucker please take not, hit the WRs and QB for the other team and good things happen???
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Yea, but that Cutler guy needs to go
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Pass on ditching the cutler guy. Seriously, why change anything on defense? Is mel that dumb or egotistical? That's the lowest the Bears
have held anyone all year!
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lol....one game....one. Even Jeff George had good games, lol...
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Marshall, Jeffrey and Forte all had very nice games. But I wonder why M Bennett doesn't get more targets. He is a monster, either he isn't getting open/they are covering him, or he isn't really trying too much.
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lol....one game....one. Even Jeff George had good games, lol...
Why not just give credit where credit's due?
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Definitely good Jay today. That stat about how many games he wins when he doesn't throw any INTs is just crazy. Keep it up Jay.
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Having the D playing well and the run game working definitely takes the pressure off.
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Cutler had a good game.. Glad to see it.. Or actually I had to listen to it. But yes, good game. Any win is a good game..
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I kept having flashbacks to that last second loss to Matt Ryan and thinking it wasn't over until it was over. LOL
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Jeff Cutler had a good game...there, happy?? Let's see what he does the next couple, k.....we've already seen a lot from him already this season and we're sitting at 3-3 for it with GB and the Loins in the lead....sorry, I can't be 'happy' with that....
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Anyone able to get Steve Rosenbloom's blog or story on the new LB's from the Trib pay site? I'd like to read it but am not going to pay for the frigging thing....
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here you go Sporty, you can set your browser settings to block cookies for just the tribune site to see their articles.
AtLANTA — Riding the Bears team bus Sunday on the way to the Georgia Dome before an unlikely 27-13 thumping of the Falcons, rookie linebacker Christian Jones focused on the last six months more than the next 60 minutes.
The longer Jones thought about going undrafted out of Florida State in May despite obvious athleticism, his mind raced. His heart beat faster. That always happens when Jones reflects on his draft disappointment. And never was there a more ideal time than before Jones' first NFL start to turn his memories into motivation.
"This was emotional for me, especially on the way here, thinking about all the stuff that happened back during draft day,'' Jones said at his locker. "I feel I have come a long way and been through a lot. And I knew I was ready.''
Jones wasn't the only impromptu starter who came prepared to play for an improvised Bears defense full of players who are household names only to their families. Playing without their top four linebackers, their best cornerback, and injured safety Chris Conte for the second half, the Bears somehow held a skilled Falcons offense to 287 yards and the fewest number of points scored against them in the Marc Trestman era.
It helped that the Bears ran into an offense underperforming worse than theirs was previously, but nobody can say enough about the way the defensive coaches coaxed this active group of unknowns into making headlines.
"I guess I showed some things in that Carolina game and they had confidence in me,'' Jones said. "I got too anxious on one blitz, but I thought I did a solid performance for my first start. I thought we all did.''
Can Chicago handle a linebacker controversy?
"They did great,'' injured Lance Briggs said. "That was a fantastic job by our defense. I am just glad I got a chance to watch it.''
The young and unproven corps of Jones, Darryl Sharpton and Khaseem Greene introduced themselves to the league and helped welcome the Bears back to respectability. Improving to 3-3 won't make anybody in town start shopping Phoenix airfares for early February, but losing a third straight game would have spelled football disaster. Winning restored hope in a football city where it has been hard to find.
No wonder smiling general manager Phil Emery worked his way around the locker room to shake hands with defensive linemen who dominated the Falcons and allowed the linebackers to survive their first starts together.
"It's like coach (Mel) Tucker said: We need everybody,'' defensive tackle Stephen Paea said. "In an atmosphere like that, you have to step up your (game) and we did. We were hungrier than they were.''
It was a lineup starving for NFL success. Besides Jones using his undrafted status as fuel, Greene drew from his experience of not dressing the first two games. Sharpton recalled being in NFL limbo, rehabilitating an injured ankle after his release from the Redskins, when the Bears signed him Sept. 25. Exactly 18 days later, he was calling defenses during a must-win game against the Falcons.
"I wasn't overwhelmed,'' Sharpton said.
The cut on the bridge of Sharpton's nose showed he did more than just line people up. The grin after the umpteenth question about his new responsibility suggests he can handle the newfound attention.
"I did the same thing for the Texans and was their leading tackler last year,'' said Sharpton, who started 19 games from 2010-13. "I played for (Bears linebackers coach) Reggie Herring in Houston too and that was a huge help today. We got unbelievable coaching.''
This was the rare Sunday when Bears players from all three phases could say the same thing. Offensively, Trestman finally reincorporated the deep passing game with Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery and Jay Cutler coolly responded by completing 26 of 38 for 381 yards without an interception. On special teams, despite having an extra point blocked, at least the Bears escaped Georgia without being Hester-ized, using their familiarity with Devin Hester's tendencies to contain the Falcons returner.
But this always will go down as an inspiring victory remembered longer than the defensive players who inspired it. So it was fitting that no-name nickel back Demontre Hurst, added to the 53-man roster Sept. 18 after being waived 10 days earlier, made a diving interception with 3 minutes, 48 seconds left to thwart the Falcons' final threat.
Hurst rose up and start running toward the part of the stadium his mother, Rhonda, and sister, Dashia, were sitting. Bears secondary coach Jon Hoke texted Tuesday with news of the promotion, but Hurst waited until Saturday night to tell his family.
"For them to come and be part of this just made it more special,'' said Hurst, who spent 2013 on the Bears' practice squad after going undrafted out of Oklahoma. "It's a journey. It's been a humbling experience but I just kept working, believing in myself. Today I went out there and embraced the moment.''
For the beleaguered Bears defense this season, none have been better.
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they are praising the young LBers but it sounds like the pass rush(with a healthier Allen) was working on a sub-par OL on a fast track. It sounds like it was just what our defense needed.
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Unknown Bears LBs make it known they're real deal
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David Haugh
Chicago Tribunedhaugh@tribune.com
ATLANTA — Riding the Bears team bus Sunday on the way to the Georgia Dome before an unlikely 27-13 thumping of the Falcons, rookie linebacker Christian Jones focused on the last six months more than the next 60 minutes.
The longer Jones thought about going undrafted out of Florida State in May despite obvious athleticism, his mind raced. His heart beat faster. That always happens when Jones reflects on his draft disappointment. And never was there a more ideal time than before Jones' first NFL start to turn his memories into motivation.
"This was emotional for me, especially on the way here, thinking about all the stuff that happened back during draft day,'' Jones said at his locker. "I feel I have come a long way and been through a lot. And I knew I was ready.''
Jones wasn't the only impromptu starter who came prepared to play for an improvised Bears defense full of players who are household names only to their families. Playing without their top four linebackers, their best cornerback, and injured safety Chris Conte for the second half, the Bears somehow held a skilled Falcons offense to 287 yards and the fewest number of points scored against them in the Marc Trestman era.
It helped that the Bears ran into an offense underperforming worse than theirs was previously, but nobody can say enough about the way the defensive coaches coaxed this active group of unknowns into making headlines.
"I guess I showed some things in that Carolina game and they had confidence in me,'' Jones said. "I got too anxious on one blitz, but I thought I did a solid performance for my first start. I thought we all did.''
Can Chicago handle a linebacker controversy?
"They did great,'' injured Lance Briggs said. "That was a fantastic job by our defense. I am just glad I got a chance to watch it.''
The young and unproven corps of Jones, Darryl Sharpton and Khaseem Greene introduced themselves to the league and helped welcome the Bears back to respectability. Improving to 3-3 won't make anybody in town start shopping Phoenix airfares for early February, but losing a third straight game would have spelled football disaster. Winning restored hope in a football city where it has been hard to find.
No wonder smiling general manager Phil Emery worked his way around the locker room to shake hands with defensive linemen who dominated the Falcons and allowed the linebackers to survive their first starts together.
"It's like coach (Mel) Tucker said: We need everybody,'' defensive tackle Stephen Paea said. "In an atmosphere like that, you have to step up your (game) and we did. We were hungrier than they were.''
It was a lineup starving for NFL success. Besides Jones using his undrafted status as fuel, Greene drew from his experience of not dressing the first two games. Sharpton recalled being in NFL limbo, rehabilitating an injured ankle after his release from the Redskins, when the Bears signed him Sept. 25. Exactly 18 days later, he was calling defenses during a must-win game against the Falcons.
"I wasn't overwhelmed,'' Sharpton said.
The cut on the bridge of Sharpton's nose showed he did more than just line people up. The grin after the umpteenth question about his new responsibility suggests he can handle the newfound attention.
"I did the same thing for the Texans and was their leading tackler last year,'' said Sharpton, who started 19 games from 2010-13. "I played for (Bears linebackers coach) Reggie Herring in Houston too and that was a huge help today. We got unbelievable coaching.''
This was the rare Sunday when Bears players from all three phases could say the same thing. Offensively, Trestman finally reincorporated the deep passing game with Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery and Jay Cutler coolly responded by completing 26 of 38 for 381 yards without an interception. On special teams, despite having an extra point blocked, at least the Bears escaped Georgia without being Hester-ized, using their familiarity with Devin Hester's tendencies to contain the Falcons returner.
But this always will go down as an inspiring victory remembered longer than the defensive players who inspired it. So it was fitting that no-name nickel back Demontre Hurst, added to the 53-man roster Sept. 18 after being waived 10 days earlier, made a diving interception with 3 minutes, 48 seconds left to thwart the Falcons' final threat.
Hurst rose up and start running toward the part of the stadium his mother, Rhonda, and sister, Dashia, were sitting. Bears secondary coach Jon Hoke texted Tuesday with news of the promotion, but Hurst waited until Saturday night to tell his family.
"For them to come and be part of this just made it more special,'' said Hurst, who spent 2013 on the Bears' practice squad after going undrafted out of Oklahoma. "It's a journey. It's been a humbling experience but I just kept working, believing in myself. Today I went out there and embraced the moment.''
For the beleaguered Bears defense this season, none have been better.
dhaugh@tribune.com
Twitter @DavidHaugh
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I agree about Cutler. Lets not give him too much credit. I mean if it wasn't for Atlanta dropping all those passes we might have lost the game 121 - 19.
If it were not for Jefferies, Marshall and Forte having outstanding games we might have lost 121-0.
Hell he almost gave the game away at the beginning of the 3rd quarter when the Falcons converted on 1st and 29 to get a 41 yard touchdown. Then when Jefferies and Forte did score the next TD he missed the extra point.
About the only thing Cutler did good yesterday was keep Hester in check. Let's not give him too much credit. This win goes to Marshall, Jefferies, Forte and the Defense.
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Well I'm glad you finally woke the heck up and agree with me... ;D
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Hey Darren...Sportster thinks you're a ****. Real men dont leave games with such a minor injury.
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/update/24750797/report-eagles-rb-darren-sproles-has-slight-mcl-tear
Eagles running back Darren Sproles, who left Week 6 at home against the Giants, has a slight tear of the MCL in his left knee, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.
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Oh oh, I know where this is going....
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That wan't a championship game. You should only put the rest of your career at risk if its a championship game.
Cutler is a ****. Sproles is smart for leaving the regular season game.
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Doesn't change my stance one bit. Sproles is a running back...little bit of a difference there. Those two are Jeff Cutler lovers. Let em have their excitement over one game.....
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Been out for a while.
Yeah, #53 is a missile. I think you either start him at MLB or SLB when Bostic and Briggs return. Saw some good things out of #59 (Jones) and Greene led the team in tackles with 8.
There's quite a drop off when Conte is out. Everybody trashed him in the offseason but we really don't have a better free safety. After the Panther game I can see why Vereen was inserted ahead of McCrae at FS after Conte hurt his shoulder. And then Vereen got burned on the only Falcon TD.
Defensive line showed more pressure against a bunch of backups. Falcons were without their starting center, guard Blalock and RT Holmes. Glad Jared Allen finally got his first sack - he's really not a speed guy that depends on turf to get sacks. He typically goes thru the tackle and then tries to slide off. And Paea is having his best season in a contract year. Didn't see much from Ratliff - but he's been out for 3 weeks with that concussion. Plus the Falcons rarely ran the ball. And nothing more needs to be said about #97 Young.
Best showing by the Bears D so far against a highly ranked but banged up offense.
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Getting a little concerned over Allen. He seems to have one specialty rush move...the bull rush. He tries to get under the pads and push the tackle into the QB. I don't believe this is the ideal pass rush we need.
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Doesn't change my stance one bit. Sproles is a running back...little bit of a difference there. Those two are Jeff Cutler lovers. Let em have their excitement over one game.....
Oh...JEFF Cutler? I thought you have been talking about Jay Cutler all this time. Yes, Jeff Cutler is definately a waste of a roster spot and McCown is probably better than him.
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McCown was better than him....fact...but you saw different I'm sure....
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Idiot...
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Atlanta's O line was atrocious...Gabe Carimi anyone? ..........
BUT the peckers O line was just as bad when we played the Peckers and Rodgers jersey was clean. WTF? We have to have this same pass rush against the Peckers.
Wondering if Briggs is thorugh after this year? He is constantly out of position guessing wrong all the time.
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Can't complain too much about the offense. You'd like to see them not commit so many pre-snap penalties. And they had some difficulty passing into the end zone and settled for field goals.
Michael Ola had a real solid game at LT. I don't know that he was facing anybody that was any good but he rarely had help. Jordan Mills had an awful day. Several penalties and then he gave up pressure right before the half forcing Cutler to throw it left handed. Mills better watch out. When Bushrod comes back he might have a battle with Ola for his job.
And now I appreciate Garza after watching De La Puente the last few weeks. I saw him pass blocking the DT one on one letting the guards double team with the tackle on several occasions.
Cutler had a nice game. Sometimes you watch him and he's so focused down the field that he doesn't leave himself any escape room if the pass rush breaks down.
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Chicago Bears left tackle Jermon Bushrod could have a chance to play next weekend against the Miami Dolphins at Soldier Field, still working back from injuries to his right knee and ankle.
Bushrod will be needed this weekend - the Dolphins D won't be mistaken for the Falcons.
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Their defense is pretty good. They were hitting Rodgers all day long last week. Pretty tough to run on as well.
Their offense is not that great but then neither is our defense.
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The Bears will do all right against Miami. The game will be in the cooler confines of Chicago. I predict a win for Chi.
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Miami is one of those jeckel and hyde teams. Depends on which team shows up as to how we fare.
Briggs is definitely done. Problem with most fans is when a great player loss his greatness they go on believing that they are better than they are. Briggs being out proved to me what my eyes were telling me this season; he is old and slow and a liability when he is out on the field. I would also not classify him as a great leader, so why would the Bears re-sign him next year?
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We've said he is on his last leg
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(sigh). Time waits for no man. Afraid I have to agree on that one. The kids who started (there're kids compared to Briggs) may not
have had Lance's smarts and experience, but they still had their quicks, and fresh legs. the difference was astounding, even to a no nothing hack like me. that front D line looked very good too. Granted, Atlanta's o line is in tatters. but the Bears d line isn't 100% yet
either. Glad to see those that can travel well. I'd love to see the Bear at 100% and see how they do.
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Hiber, Bears are Jekyll/hyde as well. One week giving Bears fans fits, the next beating SF in their new stadium. Perhaps I'm a bit tough on Cutler. He is a good QB at times and I expect too much. But a lot of that is due to being sick and tired of losing to GB. That has to change, however it happens, it absolutely has to change.
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Agree about Briggs. The guy is finished, it's been obvious. Wouldn't hurt if the guy lost a pound or two..
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I'm sick of losing to Green Bay as well. We have another chance on 11/9 in front of a national audience. Will the players circle that date? Until the dominance is ended, the Bears will go nowhere..
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Exactly correct. Your chances of winning the division is slim to none when you lose twice to GB. We are going nowhere till we figure out how to beat GB, Detoilet and the Queens.
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Problem is Briggs makes the defensive calls and I don't see anyone else being able to do that.
It won't be long before offenses decide to take advantage of our LB's inexperience.
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We are 3-3, but we are 0-2 at home, while 3-1 on the road, 0-1 in the division and 2-2 in the NFC. That's not playoff good, right Dallas?
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I personally don't agree with this but........
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-lance-briggs-still-valuable-haugh-spt-1014-20141014-column.html#navtype=outfit
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Yeah, I am sure Tom Brady really doesn't want to see a fat and slow Briggs playing LB. Give me a break. I want the most explosive and fast players out there, who know what they are doing. The new 3 looked pretty good last weekend....
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Briggs had a tough game against Buffalo but i haven't seen any major degradation in performance with him since then. 49ers Gore had 68 yards rushing, after that the Jets were held to 78 as a team, Green Bay had 56 and Carolina 57. Atlanta was averaging over 4 yards a rush but decided to go pass happy because they were down.
As I suggested yesterday I'd play Briggs at WLB, Sharpton at MLB, and Bostic at SLB assuming they are all ready to go.
To suggest Khaseem Greene or Christian Jones replace a healthy Briggs is nuts.
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It's Cutlers fault Briggs has lost a step.
He was feeding him too much food over the last offseason and now he is fat and slow. Cutler has to go. He is ruining the Bears organization.
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Briggs is finished, fat old and slow. But, I sure don't want to see the Bears make the same mistake as they did with Urlacher. Urlacher was done, but we had no one to replace him, he was still the play caller on the D. I agree that Briggs has looked better since the fist game, but he is looking like he's lost a step or two. Plus, here he is hurt again.
Wasn't that long ago that about any team would've loved to have our linebackers..
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It's Cutlers fault Briggs has lost a step.
He was feeding him too much food over the last offseason and now he is fat and slow. Cutler has to go. He is ruining the Bears organization.
LMAO!!!!!
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Cutler needs to go to Green Bay and light those fuckers up. That in itself would shut a lot of naysayers up.. For now, I want Emery to find the next Rodgers and Trestman develop our future QB for the next couple of seasons..
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Briggs is finished, fat old and slow. But, I sure don't want to see the Bears make the same mistake as they did with Urlacher. Urlacher was done, but we had no one to replace him, he was still the play caller on the D. I agree that Briggs has looked better since the fist game, but he is looking like he's lost a step or two. Plus, here he is hurt again.
Injuries happen to everybody.
Did Briggs look fat and slow when he plugged that hole against the 49ers on 3rd and 1? Huge play.
This team has bigger problems than replacing Briggs THIS year. We need a pass rush...we need a free safety (a healthy one)...and we need to get Bushrod back.
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I'm not advocating the replacement of Briggs this season, but the speed at linebacker sure did show up this past weekend. If you think the Bears are going to do anything about a pass rush after all the money they just invested in the line you're crazy. Scheme would go a long way, and right now, there is none.. Offseason, look for moves (or move) to bolster linebacker and the D backfield. I don't look for Jennings to be around much longer and I'm certain Peanut is finished..
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BTW- Kudos to the Bears for drafting Fuller..
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I'm not advocating the replacement of Briggs this season, but the speed at linebacker sure did show up this past weekend. If you think the Bears are going to do anything about a pass rush after all the money they just invested in the line you're crazy. Scheme would go a long way, and right now, there is none.. Offseason, look for moves (or move) to bolster linebacker and the D backfield. I don't look for Jennings to be around much longer and I'm certain Peanut is finished..
You know, if the Falcons only drop 3 or 4 passes instead of 6 or 7 we wouldn't be talking about how fast our LBers were.
Bottom line...if you don't get generate a pass rush you aren't going to win many games in the NFL. I don't care how much money was spent on the line. The FA money they spent this year will not prevent them from drafting a DE in round 1.
And I'm not crazy.
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Well that's a matter of opinion..
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I'm hoping for a Ryan D coordinator and the Bears reunion..
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If we end up in a position to draft a flat out stud LB in the 1st I wouldn't mind that. Same goes for S. Could we use another DE, and dump Houston, heck yeah, but he may still come around.
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Mmmmmm....I used to, but based upon what I've seen this year, not so much. I don't think the kids are a chip off the old block.
not even a splinter. Love to have one of our last two prior to Mel tho'. Heard a reason for Dallas being good on D I honestly hadn't
though of. There offense is really good and they are running more plays on offense ( by 12 )over the other team, it's
helping the legs and stamina of the defense. Ryan gone and Rod in can't hurt either. Come nov dec by that reasoning, the defense
should get better because of the crummy weather forcing the Bears to run more. we'll see.
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Houston has run his mouth off about the fans and done the least of the three linemen we picked up. Allen ain't far behind but at least he pressured the QB and got a sack last game. The speed at LB was very evident and they better think real hard at shaking up a lineup that worked great. Brigg's smarts is keeping him in the game. He knows where to be where the young guys rely on speed.
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Could we use better DEs, sure, no question. Even if its for depth another DE would be fine to draft. My question would be that we aren't going to be in the position win wise to draft that stud DE. You need to draft whatever position of need that gives you the best chance to win. We have so many defensive needs, including LB, CB and S that are also positions of need. If we stink up the rest of the season or the injury bug bites us more on the defensive side and we get a top 15 pick I could see a DE being taken, but I sure wouldn't bank on being that high. I kinda see us being right around 8-8 when its all over. You draft the best player available, not necessarily the best DE available.
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Yeah, everybody talks drafting the best player available regardless of position but when it comes down to your pick you're going to sway that pick to a position or multiple positions of need.
For example, this year we had DT and safety as primary needs and CB was probably 3rd. Based on talent available the Bears went CB, DT, DT, S.
The issue with the Bears now is they have multiple positions of need...it's not like we just need a DE.
Next time we play the Pack you can tell me how much we don't need a pass rushing DE.
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I'm not so sure we need a DE as we need a line collapsing DT. We've got some talent at DE now and without that push up the middle they aren't getting to the QB quick enough. We need someone who can collapse that interior and command DT's so our DE's can do their job. I think Ratliff and Allen's return helped this last week and that allowed Young to get his sack numbers up as well.
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I really hope we don't need a DT, we got Ferguson and Sutton in the last draft. Keep Paea and Ratliff and we should be good for a couple more years.
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http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/videos/Thayers-Playbook-Playing-Sharp/57cd7e8f-3d13-4744-85ec-6f6caefe6482
Thayer breaks down some film of the LBers play. The next video focuses on Ego Ferguson's play against the Panthers.
If our D can just get healthy and the young players continue to improve our D might be ok down the stretch. They aren't going to be a good defense but they might be good enough.
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Mmmmmm....I used to, but based upon what I've seen this year, not so much. I don't think the kids are a chip off the old block.
not even a splinter. Love to have one of our last two prior to Mel tho'. Heard a reason for Dallas being good on D I honestly hadn't
though of. There offense is really good and they are running more plays on offense ( by 12 )over the other team, it's
helping the legs and stamina of the defense. Ryan gone and Rod in can't hurt either. Come nov dec by that reasoning, the defense
should get better because of the crummy weather forcing the Bears to run more. we'll see.
I hear ya, but I'd take Rex. Actually, I'd take him any day over Mel Tucker. Floppy head Ryan hasn't shown much, Jet's D has been pretty decent since he's been there. Offense not so much.. Looks like total D the Jets are ranked 6th, not too shabby
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Great plays by the backers. Amazing these guys first game together and playing like they've been around for years. They better keep Sharpton! He's playing better than Anderson was...
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I really hope we don't need a DT, we got Ferguson and Sutton in the last draft. Keep Paea and Ratliff and we should be good for a couple more years.
Paea is a FA and with his 4 sacks so far this season is going to get big offers from NFL teams. Ratliff is 33 and I can't say that I've seen any splash plays from him this season. Even if both those 2 guys are gone next season we probably won't look at DT with the first 2 picks.
Let's see how this season plays out before we get too concerned on the 2015 draft.
Thought I read somewhere that Marques Wilson will be practicing soon.
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Yeah, everybody talks drafting the best player available regardless of position but when it comes down to your pick you're going to sway that pick to a position or multiple positions of need.
For example, this year we had DT and safety as primary needs and CB was probably 3rd. Based on talent available the Bears went CB, DT, DT, S.
The issue with the Bears now is they have multiple positions of need...it's not like we just need a DE.
Next time we play the Pack you can tell me how much we don't need a pass rushing DE.
The part you don't seem to be getting is that quality pass rushing DEs usually go high, possibly higher than we will be in position to grab with our 1st pick. It could be a weak DE draft but strong at other positions of need such a CB, LB or S. Until its known for sure which players are available its kinda hard to pin your hopes on one specific need.
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The problem isn't the Defensive line. The Defensive tackles and defensive ends we have are above the average. They could all be in the probowl if they had better practices.
The problem is Jay Cutler. He sucks and the defensive line is used to practicing against him. You know what they say. You play like you practice.
It's Jay Cutlers fault this defense sucks. He is ruining the whole Bears organization and the historical reputation of the Chicago Bears. He has to go.
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Uh, yeah right, if you say so, as long as he takes Tucker with him.
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I think there was a bit of sarcasm there..
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Jay has taught all his teammates to take up smoking Marlboros too
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The part you don't seem to be getting is that quality pass rushing DEs usually go high, possibly higher than we will be in position to grab with our 1st pick. It could be a weak DE draft but strong at other positions of need such a CB, LB or S. Until its known for sure which players are available its kinda hard to pin your hopes on one specific need.
It could be a weak DE draft...it could be a great DE draft. Who knows who is available and where we draft at this point. Hopefully the Bears won't overdraft a 2nd round DE but if they have 3 or 4 players ranked about the same then go with the DE.
I'd say FS is a close second and CB right behind FS.
Just think of Aaron Rodgers sitting back in the pocket scoring on every drive against the Bears recently - never punting - never getting hit - never turning the ball over - 80% completion rate - 4 TDs. Oh yeah, we did register ONE sack...for zero negative yards.
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The problem isn't the Defensive line. The Defensive tackles and defensive ends we have are above the average. They could all be in the probowl if they had better practices.
The problem is Jay Cutler. He sucks and the defensive line is used to practicing against him. You know what they say. You play like you practice.
It's Jay Cutlers fault this defense sucks. He is ruining the whole Bears organization and the historical reputation of the Chicago Bears. He has to go.
LOL...I know that was sarcasm but in reality much more stupid things have been said from posters that were being serious.
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No doubt...
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From the Trib...I still think Mills keeps his job if Bushrod is good to go...but he will be watched:
Ola arguably has done enough to stay in the starting lineup. If the Bears aren't considering moving him yet again, this time to the right side in place of Jordan Mills, then maybe they weren't paying attention to the Falcons game. Mills had a nightmare, getting whistled for three penalties, giving up a sack and being beaten so badly by Jonathan Massaquoi that Jay Cutler attempted a left-handed pass to avoid a sack.
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Actually if you look up the tackles ... you will ****.
This has nothing to do with what DAL just posted.
Look up WHO made the Tackles on Defense.
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I think Khaseem Greene had the most - but i don't remember his name being mentioned that often. Not as much as #53.
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I think Khaseem Greene had the most - but i don't remember his name being mentioned that often. Not as much as #53.
At Atlanta :
K.Greene ... 6 Tackles
Fuller brush man ... 5
Reverend AL Sharpton ... 4
Conte ... Everybody knows he's off the team since last year ... 3
W. Young ... 3
J. Allen ...2
Lamarr overpaid Houston ... 1
SACKS
Young ... 2
Allen ... 1
Paea ... 1
Is it about Ryan Tannehill or the Miami OL ?
Why are there so many guys named Ryan at QB?
Do you know anybody named Ryan ?
I know guys named Joe ... Muhammed ak Sal-Bar ... and Billy Bob ... but Ryan ?
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JJ, the best way to fix the Dline is send Jay Cutty out there. He can play any position, that's what I heard anyway......oh and the LB play? Yep, J Cut there, too.....he's AMAZIN! ... he's even got his own fan club here, the J Cut Trio- the JCT
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We're actually a much better defense with a healthy Conte back there...some just don't want to admit it. He just can't finish games lately with both shoulders and concussions.
Run defense will be severely tested this week. Dolphins are averaging 5 yards a crack - their passing game isn't that scary but they do have Mike Wallace and when you can run that effectively why pass?
We will need a healthy Bushrod back and Mills needs to forget last week's game - probably the worst of his short career.
Defensively, Briggs and Conte would help. And now it looks like they are ready to unleash McClellin. If we can get Briggs and Conte back our defense might be able to keep the Dolphins under 20 cuz I don't think our offense is going to have a huge day against the stingy Dolphins defense.
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We're actually a much better defense with a healthy Conte back there...some just don't want to admit it. He just can't finish games lately with both shoulders and concussions.
Conte really needs to be our starting QB.
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We're actually a much better defense with a healthy Conte back there...some just don't want to admit it. He just can't finish games lately with both shoulders and concussions.
Run defense will be severely tested this week. Dolphins are averaging 5 yards a crack - their passing game isn't that scary but they do have Mike Wallace and when you can run that effectively why pass?
We will need a healthy Bushrod back and Mills needs to forget last week's game - probably the worst of his short career.
Defensively, Briggs and Conte would help. And now it looks like they are ready to unleash McClellin. If we can get Briggs and Conte back our defense might be able to keep the Dolphins under 20 cuz I don't think our offense is going to have a huge day against the stingy Dolphins defense.
Although Miami played well offensively against GB they may have looked better than they really are, dallas. Several writers attributed their strong play to the fact that their HC had been the GB OC. Several commented that when Rodgers changed calls many times counter with a new defensive play call of their own. Rodgers said the defense did seem to expect many of his calls.
I still expect the Bears to prevail.
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Its looking like our OLine will be at full strength for the first time since the opening game against Beefalo.
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A lot of good that did. :o
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Ehhh we got Cutty! He can beat em single handedly....
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Here's a new Bears hat for ya Bill....
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31%2BH3auf5EL.jpg)
....man they got some ugly hats on Amazon...
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Don't believe even Davey223 would wear this.....maybe I'm wrong...
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31owQV6pvTL.jpg)
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Here ya go....robots and space thingies...
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/A1SyP04txZL._SL1500_.jpg)
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LOL...Those hats are hideous. You'll be able to find them for pennies on the dollar once they don't sell. Your Bear Fan card should be revoked for parking one of those on your dome.
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Now if Cutler was Ditka, or maybe even Mini Ditka, he could beat the Dolphins all by himself. ;)
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Lets just **** get it AWN against Miami ... enuff with the BULLSHIT.
CHICAGO BEARS !!
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GO BEARS!!!!!
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DJ Williams is starting, I was kind of hoping it would be Sharpton again....
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Thanks Shea for falling down on that TD. Please put last weeks LBs in the freaking game...
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Miami eating these losers alive.
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This team can't play for **** at home. This is embarrassing.
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Pathetic!!!
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Lucky to only be down 14-0 at the half!
Tannenhill is like 15 for 16. Tannenhill...
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So thanks Jay for that INT that turned into another TD. Bad Jay is playing today, and I am over him, big time. This will be a loss, at home, and watch we go to NE and win next week. Although not the way they are playing today. And although the D gave up 14 completions in a row to start the game, the best in the entire NFL, at least they held them to 14 pt. Getting some hits on Tannehill, which is a good trend.
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Also that pass to Marshall that Finnegan broke up, he very well could have picked that off. WTF Jay, WTF??? Hope they have some sugar in the lockeroom for half time.
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TD FORTE!
Nice grab. Cutler threw that to high but Forte got it with one hand.
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Packers 28-3 over Panthers at half.
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Miami up 21-7. It's not even that close.
Trestman, once again has his team not prepared.
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Why blame Trestman? Outside of the receivers and maybe Forte, who is not having a good season, where are the Pro-Bowl talents? Maybe Allen but he'd have to show up first.
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Just went right down the field without so much as a by your leave. pretty serious when your getting pantsed at home like that. I love
our DC. Just love him. Do something numbnuts!
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Pack 35-3 in third.
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Fortunately, the Bears have Tampa and Minny for three games so 6 wins is still possible.
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They desperately need to bench DJ Williams and Shea McClellin. They both suck. And it wouldn't hurt my feeling if Jay got hurt and was out for an extended time, lets see what Clausen has learned....And now Fuller is hurt. Cursed I say cursed.
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These fuckers are terrible!! all of 'em!!
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Shea McCellin needs to CUT!!!! We had LB play last weeek and now we're stuck with McClellin. It's panfully obvious McClellin shoudl not be on the field.
On Tanneyhill's last run McClellin was blown out by a block and DID NOT fill his gap.
On the first TD McClellin falls down and the TE is wided open for a TD.
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Bad Jay game again...one good game and one bad game.
GET RID OF THE FOOTBALL YOU MFer!!!
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Nice fumble Jay. Too bad he didn't get hurt on that play. And he was finally looking at the tablet on the sideline. Sheesh.
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It's official...Cutler OVER ALL sucks!!!! He aint the guy.
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LOL! Now Rosario fumbles. Who in a Bears uniform has not **** up today?
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Another fumble.
Useless, lazy, unprepared, boring, bad, and 3-4, next week 3-5.
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OMG WHY is Rasirio even on this team???? BETTER QUESTION WHY does Cutler keep throwing to him????
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I do blame Trestman - this team WAS NOT prepared to play today at all. AND WHY do we Williams and McClellin in there?????????????
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Rasario shiould be CUT tomorrow.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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They run right at McClellin!!!!
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All footballs fans claim their teams "aren't prepared" when they stink it up. It's easier to believe the coach has some magic formula he isn't using than that the team is lousy.
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blocked FG... now let's go!!!!
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They aren't prepared. They are also bad, boring and Trestman stinks as a head coach. He also hired this bad coaching staff around him.
He'd be better off as a OC.
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Not being prepared is right up there with team chemistry as far as excuses. Let's just admit there's a scarcity of talent, first and foremost.
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TD... Problem is, our D can't stop anyone..
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Fire Tucker today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yep - how are the holes that big? How are guys that wide open?
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This defense is so terrible.
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HOW is that guy that wide open??? Nearest guy was 15 yards away.
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WHERE is the defensive end????????
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Bears have only committed one penalty today. Yay?
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It could be worse. We could be the Paper Bengals who have been out-gained 443 to 47 by Indy.
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Another terrible game by Mills.
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It's Official - Shea McCleelin SUCKS!!!!
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we need two scores, yet we're dinking
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Culter AGAIN Way too late on long passes
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taking too long
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do these guys not practice
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BAD Jay LATE on every pass...brutal!!!
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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**** terrible!!!!! Awful!!
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how pathetic. losing to Miami at home.
Dophins DB stink and we Cutler throwing WAYYYYY too late on almost everyt throw.
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BTW....Cutler does SUCK....you can't have this Jeckel and Hyde QB.....Good Jay...Bad Jay...pathetic.
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bet there's no Jay slurping this week..
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We haven't won at home, it is an advantage for whoever we play at Soldier, sickening. And I love the play where Shea was on the ground in the end zone, gets up and the pass hits him in his back. Classic. Douche needs to go. Funny how at the end Sharpton and Jones were in at LB and we were getting some pressure. Maybe Tucker or whoever needs to wake the **** up and be starting them. Then again when Bad Jay shows up, we have no chance. **** Bad Jay. Like I said I am totally ready to see what Jimmy Clausen has learned...
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And when Briggs comes back, old fat and slow is going to just make the D worse. Tom Brady must have next week circled on his calendar, cause it will fix whatever ails him.
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Then we're going to hear this crap how there are a lot of games left, one or two plays etc.
They will be lucky to be 6 and 10. Pathetic.
There is a reason why there are so many Jay haters.
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Yeah, we are going to lose to the Lions twice, the Pack one more time. We should beat the Vikes twice, MAYBE. Don't have high hopes vs the Pats. Should beat the Bucs but lose to the Saints and Cowboys. I would not be surprised at 6-10. Better draft pick I guess.
Oh and Jared Allen, Mr half sack didn't do much of anything, except lose contain over and over. SIgh.
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They just asked Trestman why his team came out flat for the start of the game. He really had no answer at all and was rambling on about getting off the field and making plays. Um not really the answer to the question, and MAYBE you should be figuring that out before our next HOME GAME!!!!!
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Realistically, we'd need to lose no more than 2 more games to maybe sniff a wildcard. Don't see it happening with how inconsistent they are. Cutler is out of excuses...the turnovers have to stop or he needs to take a seat. Trestman will be on the hot seat next year if no playoffs this year. They should flush Briggs & McClellin and let the group that played last week have a chance. Not sure they could do any better on an ongoing basis, but they can't be much worse.
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They just asked Jay in his press conf what he is going to do to make things better going forward. Of course he said he had no idea. Nice.
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I guess there was a big fight in the locker room after the game.
Trestman has lost control, if he even had it to begin with.
What a bunch of idiots.
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Maybe not a fight, but yelling, players being pulled out of the room.
Marshall was in the middle of it.
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Where ohh where is the J Cut Trio..... Rotten QB to go along with our rotten D. Fking Cutler, throws up duck after duck, behind, below, into coverage, too short which means our rotten D comes out AGAIN to get it's butt beat, AGAIN. That "deep pass" if you wanna call it that where the Bears got a pass interference which shouldn't have been because fking CUTLER threw it 15 fking yards too short..... we need a new QB! Fking Tannehill way outplayed him today.....
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Sad but true...
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If this were clown college, Bears offense would earn Ph.D.
Steve Rosenbloom/Chicago Tribune
10/19/2014
Miserable. Pathetic. Embarrassing. .
That was the Bears offense Sunday. At home. Against a mediocre Dolphins team.
What a joke.
The Bears spent the first half showing how little respect they have for getting ready to do their jobs.
They weren’t prepared. They weren’t sharp. They weren’t worth a spit.
Twice the Bears started drives outside their 35 in the first half, but pffffft. No urgency, no effectiveness, no nothing.
Matt Forte ran the ball twice for 11 yards. Just twice. Jay Cutler was 8-for-12 for 50 measly yards, an interception and a quarterback rating of 40.3. The Bears gained 54 -- count ‘em, 54 -- total yards in the first half. It was a miracle they were down only 14-0 at halftime.
The only thing that looked as bad as the Bears offense was the Park District's idea of turf.
The Bears offense was built to win shootouts, right?
That’s what we were led to believe. That's why Cutler was given $54 million guaranteed. That’s why Brandon Marshall was given another deal. That’s why Alshon Jeffery was drafted in the second round. That’s why Martellus Bennett was signed. That’s why the offensive line was rebuilt in a year. That’s why Marc Trestman was brought in.
Guess what? The Bears still haven’t managed to score 30 points in a game this season, and on Sunday, they couldn’t even manage to show up ready to play.
Their first half effort and execution were unprofessional and unacceptable. They clowned the franchise.
Yeah, Ryan Tannehill and the Dolphins offense passed and ran over the Bears. But for the longest time, the Bears defense was giving the offense a chance. The Bears offense piddled it away.
In the second half, after one stinkin' drive finally reached the end zone, the Bears fumbled twice in their own territory to end the next two possessions. Yeah. Sure. Perfect.
But the game was lost in the first half when the offense decided to steal paychecks and the coaches had no idea how to earn theirs.
I don’t know what Trestman did all week, but whatever he did was wrong. Same goes for Aaron Kromer, for Cutler, for all of them.
How can Trestman put a team on the field looking like that? How could he stand to let it continue?
Trestman says the schedule is 16, one-game seasons. OK. Fine. Then Trestman has gone winless in three home seasons so far in 2014. A lot of guys would get canned for going winless in three entire home seasons, don’t you think?
Yeah, I know, Trestman is just throwing out a lot of gobbledygook. It’s as if he’s trying to sound silly enough to make the Daily Show’s “Moment of Zen.’’ Trestman’s patter has become a lot of garbage, just like the offense he prepared and threw out there Sunday.
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Hey, Phill
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I saw someone interviewing Marshall in the locker room. He was totally wired saying we have to play better, what we did wasn't good enough, blah blah blah.
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If Marshall had a QB not forcing the ball to him and missing open targets elsewhere he wouldn't have to be discussing this....
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No doubt that Cutler had a bad game. Defense sucked.. After the game they asked Forte some questions. Basically said, we kept putting the d in a bad position..
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Most of Cutler's throws were way late.
Phil is still crying for Lovie Smith and Obama....two dead turds.
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(http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/10/19/dfc819d2-3c7a-4714-a2f9-fab8af8ab66f_800.jpg)
Pretty much says it all....
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Dolphins S Reshad Jones (had INT): "After watching film all week, we saw...(Cutler) was always looking at his receivers & never looking off"
Where OH where is the J Cut trio?..... (http://images.rapgenius.com/9f8422ec0677f63b89d8b37a3594ba82.400x300x16.gif)
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Jay has the arm, but not the brain. Sorry but I am ready to move on. Although financially I don't think we can.
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It's getting pretty bad for ol Jeff Cutty when his best receiver, B Marsh, calls him out for the loss.
ESPN Chicago Michael Wright: Yelling could be heard from outside the double doors, and a source said receiver B Marsh called out QB Jeff Cutler blaming him for the loss
Noooo, you don't say!!! Can't be!!! ::)
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Brandon Marshall, WR
On the play of the offense:
"We make the same mistakes. Same mistakes. Same mistakes. We've got to protect the football.
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Can you pin this loss on Bad Jay? Um, yeah pretty much. I mean the D couldn't stop a run away grocery cart, but Bad Jay was really really bad.
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Interesting, and I agree:
sportsfan18 says:
Oct 19, 2014 6:28 PM
Cutler is good, not great. He DOES have a lot of talent, but he rarely harnesses his talent consistently.
He’s way too inconsistent and he has been always.
Long time Bears fan, since mid 70’s (sucks being old).
Cutler inconsistency week by week.
Wk 7
QB rating of 74.4
1 TD 1 INT
3 fumbles, 1 lost fumble
2 turnovers total
Wk 6
QB rating of 109.6
1 TD 0 INT
0 fumbles
0 turnovers
Wk 5
QB rating of 95.5
2 TD’s 2 INT’s
1 fumble, 1 lost fumble
3 turnovers total
Wk 4
QB rating 82.5
2 TD’s 2 INT’s
2 fumbles, 0 lost
2 turnovers total
Wk 3
QB rating 94.7
2 TD’s 0 INT’s
1 fumble, 1 lost fumble
1 turnover total
Wk 2
QB rating 119.2
4 TD’s 0 INT’s
1 fumble, 0 lost fumbles
0 turnovers total
Wk 1
QB rating 86.2
2 TD’s 2 INT’s
0 fumbles
2 turnovers total
So, inconsistent as I was saying. In order he’s had the following:
Not Bad
2 games with 0 turnovers
1 game with 1 turnover
The Bad
3 games with 2 turnovers
1 game with 3 turnovers
Way too many fumbles total (lost or not). He’s fumbled 8 times so far this season in 7 games.
So, he’s gonna fumble each game on average.
7 INT’s in 7 games this season so he’s gonna throw a pick each game.
That’s 2 turnovers on average EACH game.
Can’t win with this and his inconsistency…
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What kind of "team" has players "call out" an individual teammate for a loss, based simply on a poor performance?
Unless someone deliberately undermines his team, refuses to do something which was both needed and known to be needed, or is himself blaming others on the team for a loss which was actually primarily a result of his poor performance, anyone "calling out" a teammate as is being described should be bounced.
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I highly doubt Marshall called Cutler out if he did he is wrong to do so. Cutler had one INT that might be his fault but was obviously a miscommunication. Cutler did not play well but the loss is not solely on him.
Jordan Mills had another terrible game. It was his guy with the sack and strip of Cutler. He was beat several times and also had another false start.
The defense was either sacking Tannenhill or letting him move the ball down the field with ease. There was no in between.
Marshall himself had a few he should have caught and also had a penalty himself. Rosario fumbled.
The fact is the defense produced no turn overs and the Bears gave it up three times. That is the reason for the loss.
I blame Cutler for the INT (which is reasonable), Mills for the sacks and fumble (which is reasonable) and Rosario for his fumble. I blame the defense for the Dolphins putting up so many points. Sure the O was going three and out in the first half but the Dolphins are not a high powered offense and the defense could not get off the field.
As with most losses there is plenty of blame to go around. Each player should be looking at what they can do better and not pointing any fingers.
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Oh and I just read the article. The writer says Marhsall called Cutler out but gave no report of what was said. Marshall himself said it was a team issue and none of the reporters were in the room. Looks like a reporter trying make something out of nothing. I am glad the players are pissed. They should be. They ALL played bad.
The only guy I give a pass to is Forte. He had a great game. Raitliff a close second.
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Marshall did call out Cutler.
Bad Jay...most of his passes LATE......OR forced into a covered Marshall.
Cutler's deep balls were terribly thrown
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Just heard the Bears, Bucs and Raiders are the only teams with out a home win. Great company there.
Thanks for reminding me about Mills. He should be looking over his shoulder. Ola might be doing a better job.
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The problem is when a QB is unable to keep his offense on the field, the D plays too much and this D isn't very good and lord only knows why they got away from the lineup that worked last week. I knew things were gonna go south when Cutler on 3rd and 1 tosses a overthrown bomb to Jeffery. Hey, how bout just getting that one friggin yard? Then he throws a backward pass over the head of Carey and almost caused another TO. Then he throws into double coverage a couple more times that could have been picked. Misses wide open guys and forces the ball into covered ones. The same **** he's been doing over and over and over. We are totally screwed with this guy at QB.....
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Yeah, same mistakes over and over and over again. It blows.
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Chicago's opponents have scored a total of 37 points off Cutler's turnovers alone this season......let that one sink in for a minute.....
as one poster on Facebook noted: Jay Cutler is who we thought he was....
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Unacceptable http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/11729610/brandon-marshall-chicago-bears-calls-loss-unacceptable
CHICAGO -- Frustration boiled over inside the Chicago Bears locker room Sunday, just minutes after the team fell 27-14 at Soldier Field to the Miami Dolphins. Yelling could be heard from outside the double doors, and a source said receiver Brandon Marshall called out quarterback Jay Cutler.
The source said there "are some very selfish individuals in the locker room." But it's not out of the ordinary for Marshall to strongly voice his opinion to Cutler, as the two are close friends off the field.
Marshall, meanwhile, didn't deny there was friction in the aftermath of the game.
"We lost, there should be a lot of frustration," Marshall said. "You should hear frustration. We're 3-4. Yeah, this means everything to a lot of guys in this locker room. This means a lot."
While it was believed Marshall also yelled at kicker Robbie Gould, the receiver declined to answer when specifically asked.
"OK, were you in here?" Marshall asked. "Were you in this locker room? This is a team matter. That has nothing to do with you. There's a lot of guys this means a lot to. We're 3-4. We need to play better. That's unacceptable. That's unacceptable. Unacceptable; shouldn't have lost today, shouldn't be 3-4. [The] offense [has] got to play better. It's as simple as that."
Cutler threw an interception and was credited for two fumbles (one came as the result of Ka'Deem Carey dropping a lateral) as the Dolphins scored 10 points off two of the quarterback's turnovers.
In all four of the team's losses this season, Cutler turned over the ball multiple times. Yet in the team's three victories, Cutler didn't commit a single turnover.
Chicago's opponents have scored a total of 37 points off Cutler's turnovers alone this season.
"Same mistakes, same mistakes, same mistakes," Marshall said. "We've got to protect the football. We've got to protect the football. We've got to execute the game plan. We've got to adjust when things don't go as we saw on the film. We've got Alshon Jeffery, Martellus Bennett, Matt Forte. We've got a stud offensive line. We've got a great, great group of guys, and this is unacceptable. What did we put up, 14 points? Was it 14 points? That's unacceptable."
Cutler passed for 190 yards and a touchdown, but was sacked three times and finished with a passer rating of 74.4. Marshall caught six passes for 48 yards on 10 targets, and the source said the receiver was unhappy with the amount of balls thrown his way.
Cutler admitted the postgame locker room "was emotional," adding that the "guys are really down on this one, myself included."
Bears coach Marc Trestman said he "told our team today was an unacceptable performance," but took accountability for what transpired.
Marshall, meanwhile, stressed the club's underachieving offense hasn't lost confidence.
"My confidence is still there. Alshon Jeffery's confidence is still there. Martellus Bennett's confidence is there," Marshall said.
What about Cutler?
"Yeah, Jay's a gunslinger," Marshall said. "Jay's our guy. Jay's our leader."
Sounds like a vote of confidence....huh....
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Cutler had a bad game. But due to how long he kept holding the football, got to believe the WR were not getting open either.
Fuller was at fault on that first TD. Rookie mistake. He is having a good season, but gotta call him out on that.
Missed tackles by the D. Its not even funny how many missed tackles this D has every week. To me that is lack of coaching.
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Didn't like the fact we were in zone too much of the game as well, leaving wide open areas for Tannehill to find and hit receivers. But the best way to stop a hot QB is keep him on the bench and our O definitely did not do that.....
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Cutler completed 3-of-11 passes for 52 yards and an interception on throws 15 or more yards downfield Sunday. Cutler entered the game with the league's fourth-worst completion percentage on deep passes (32.4%), and his five interceptions on such throws are tied for second most in the NFL.
Fking pathetic.....
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Kyle Fuller reportedly suffered a broken hand and hip pointer in today's game.
This is yet to be official.
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Phill! up from the Mississippi mud ! We thought you drowned. Time to face it. Bears are past suck. Welcome back to the days of Jaurwanny. Bears have bombed on more draft picks than won on. A telling sign of the Wanny Jauron era.I don't know if you can fix this given who is on the field. next week....next week, well.. Bill won over the Vikes. the winning qb? Kyle **** Orton. Somebody here give me hope. Anybody.
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Trestman may turn out worse thn Wanny and Jauron ever were.
He's that bad and boring.
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Brandon Marshall called out everyone, not just Cutler
Posted by Mike Florio on October 19, 2014, 9:54 PM EDT
Marshall
AP
After Sunday’s third home loss in three home games, the Bears came a little unglued. The situation was particularly stressful for receiver Brandon Marshall, who saw the Bears soundly beaten by the Dolphins, the team that traded Marshall to Chicago in 2012.
After the game, Marshall told reporters — multiple times — that the team’s 3-4 record is unacceptable. Before Marshall spoke to reporters, things got heated in the locker room, with Marshall yelling loudly during a rant that was heard in the hallway outside.
A report from ESPN.com indicates that Marshall called out quarterback Jay Cutler during the diatribe. And that’s true, primarily because Marshall called out everyone for having a lack of heart.
The Bears currently have a troubling lack of wins, with only three in seven games. Meanwhile, the Packers and Lions are running away with the division, leaving the Bears in the dust with the Vikings.
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Glad he did it because they need to get their **** squared. As for ESPN shame on you for running with a drummed up story for ratings that wasn't true.
Making it sound like he was targeting strictly Cutler was bush league.
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Where ohh where is the J Cut Trio..... Rotten QB to go along with our rotten D. Fking Cutler, throws up duck after duck, behind, below, into coverage, too short which means our rotten D comes out AGAIN to get it's butt beat, AGAIN. That "deep pass" if you wanna call it that where the Bears got a pass interference which shouldn't have been because fking CUTLER threw it 15 fking yards too short..... we need a new QB! Fking Tannehill way outplayed him today.....
Tannehill was playing against our defense. Ryan Leaf could look good against that crap but yes Cutler was bad. Actually the entire team was bad except maybe Forte and Ratliff. Bad passes, dropped passes, look-out blocking from the o-line. I would have no problem blowing this up and starting over. Trade anyone with any value.
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"In all four of the team's losses this season, Cutler turned over the ball multiple times. Yet in the team's three victories, Cutler didn't commit a single turnover."
What is the common thread in the losses? Yep, Cutler turning the ball over. Plain and simple. He gets hit/sacked, and then he gets jittery and gun shy and sloppy, and hurries his throws/throws off his back foot, or on one occasion threw a jump pass. SMH
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Jay ain't going anywhere, not at 54 million, which btw, Yahoo said is the highest paid player in the nfl. Is that true? Anyway, looks as though the Bears aren't going anywhere this year, something sure as hell needs to be fixed. They started the game sleepwalking and never caught up.
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I wonder if we could dupe Lovie into trading for Cutler. LOL I just read that after Peyton Manning broke Favres TD record the first thing he did on the sidelines was look at pictures to try and get an edge. Cutler seems to not want to look at pictures, pretty much any time. There is a passion/fire lacking there big time.
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"In all four of the team's losses this season, Cutler turned over the ball multiple times. Yet in the team's three victories, Cutler didn't commit a single turnover."
What is the common thread in the losses? Yep, Cutler turning the ball over. Plain and simple. He gets hit/sacked, and then he gets jittery and gun shy and sloppy, and hurries his throws/throws off his back foot, or on one occasion threw a jump pass. SMH
Horrible defense isn't a common thread as well? They made Tannehill look like a hall-of-famer. Plenty of blame for Cutler but he is far from alone in this wasted season.
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I don't know if this season is salvageable. It's really sad, too, because the NFC is a mess this year. There's GB, there's the Loins and there's Dallas. Maybe I'm forgetting someone (Cards....pfft) but it's ripe for the taking and our fricking team can't possibly put themselves in the mix, can they. It sucks!! Instead, they implode and play like total crap. No, it's not just Cutler. How in the hell receivers are getting open constantly and not just open, WIDE open. How is Tucker not gone right now???? He's like Cutler, one week good, next week total crap! Personally, I think this season is not only done but well done-toast. I think they win a few more cheap games and that's it. They're that big of a mess right now....
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Trestman was supposed to be the guru that turned Cutler into Rodgers. Cutler can't work the pocket, as soon as the pressure starts heating up, he melts.
Fire Tucker today!!
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LOL, I don't know who's laughing more, the writer or Bill...
From the Boston Herald
With the Bears coming to Foxboro next Sunday, the main concern on Patriots coach Bill Belichick’s mind is containing the Chicago offense’s array of dangerous skill players. Bears quarterback Jay Cutler has a high-powered group around him in running back Matt Forte, wide receivers Alshon Jeffery and Brandon Marshall, and tight end Martellus Bennett. As a team, the Bears rank ninth in the league in passing yards per game (267.7).
“They’re an explosive offensive team, got a lot of big-play players — receivers, tight ends, quarterback, running back — a lot of guys that can hurt you and hurt you in a hurry,” Belichick said. “A lot of talented players on offense, a lot of guys that can hurt you in a hurry, tough group overall to defend because of the number of skill players and schemes, multiple schemes that Marc (Trestman, Chicago’s coach) uses.”
Defensively, the Bears are a little more in the middle of the road statistically, but Belichick was still complimentary.
“(The Bears have) a good front, a good pass-rushing team, active linebackers and secondary, play quite a bit of zone coverage,” he said. “They don’t give up a lot of big plays and they do a good job defensively of getting you off the field with their front, causing negative plays, batted balls, turnovers off their zone coverages, break on the quarterback who’s under pressure, that type of thing.”
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too bad we aren't as good as Bill said we are.
No bulletin board material there.
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Our high school team plays with more heart than these "professionals"
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Sounds like Belichik's got a lot of Lou Holtz in him. Your next opponant is always the greatest and you will be fortunate to stay in the game with them.
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He knows Good Jay is due next week - he alternates Good Jay - Bad Jay from week to week
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Plenty of blame for Cutler but he is far from alone in this wasted season.
Sunday afternoons are tough for me to find time unless its late afternoon. Thus I missed the game. I suppose that's a good thing too because I probably would have destroyed my TV in anger.
Is this a wasted season? I guess if your outlook is for a Superbowel, one could definitely subscribe to that view. I haven't felt they were that good to make it to the Superbowl so my expectations for the season aren't that high. While I thought that if the Bears really had high expectations for the season the Fins game was a must win to keep the Bears in contention to win the division, but this team is so Jekyl and Hyde we couldn't even beat a highly beatable team. That points to the fact this is a patchwork offense and defense. The real mark of a championship team is how well you draft. You build from the bottom up. The cupboard was bare for Emery. To expect a Superbowl team with 2 drafts is really not smart. Its going to take a lot more time. Emery will have a busy January to May. While I think Emery has done a decent job on his patchwork veterans he has acquired, anyone can see that he has made some mistakes he needs to fix. Some of the jigsaw puzzle pieces just don't fit. The question I have is whether its the coaching scheme or is it the personnel or both. That's the part I don't know. That's what Emery is going to have to figure out and correct.
So how does this season look to me? Righting the ship now isn't going to be easy. I know the thinking was this was going to be a brutal first half. It has been. Also it was thought that we would probably do better after the bye week. But I really doubt that either. The majority are home games and division games. We haven't won a game at home so far this year (0-3). That doesn't bode well for the 2nd half. 6-10 could definitely be coming. Would that be the end of the world? Disappointing for sure, but not the end of the world. One thing I am looking forward to seeing the 2nd half is the development of Marquise Wilson. We need to see what we have at linebacker too and Emery needs to evaluate what he needs to address prior to next season.
One thing that needs to be evaluated immediately is the mental and physical health of Jay Cuttler. Something is wrong with him and what can be done to change his performance in games. Is it the Diabetes? Is it home mental issues. Has married life been a strain on Jay? I don't know the answers to these questions but something has to change. Maybe we need to invest in a high 1st on a QB and develop him for the future. Has the cobwebs blown out of Clausen's head? Can he be eventually be serviceable? I doubt that but you need to find out what we have. Clausen had problems at ND as well as at Carolina. He seems to be more of an emergency backup right now. But change is going to happen in the future as this season closes.
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The Chicago Blackhawks have won more games at Soldier Field in 2014 than the Bears have.
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Cutler's throws were way late all day. Culter forced throws to Marshall all day. Custler threw into double coverage several times.
Something is wrong.
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I agree, something seems to be up..
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I'm pretty sure Cutler is injured. Arm, ribs....something. He didn't just suddenly forget how to throw a football.
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I think he has been getting screwed to death by his wife 6 times a night. That'll take the sizzle out of your passes
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I'm pretty sure Cutler is injured. Arm, ribs....something. He didn't just suddenly forget how to throw a football.
That helmet to the chest a few games ago could have hurt him but he wouldn't dare say so after getting trashed for tearing an MCL against GB.
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his deep balls are off as well.
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I think he has been getting screwed to death by his wife 6 times a night. That'll take the sizzle out of your passes
Well they always say women weaken legs. But whatever the cause, either he needs to sit and let someone else try, or get better and toot sweet.
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That helmet to the chest a few games ago could have hurt him but he wouldn't dare say so after getting trashed for tearing an MCL against GB.
That wouldn't stop him, he sat out for a thumb injury sometime recently. If anything, he wouldn't want anyone to know so they (opposing players) wouldn't try to injure that area more..
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Are you guys watching the same game I was? Dolphins may not have had many sacks but they had constant pressure all day preventing Cutler from getting comfortable in the pocket. And the Dolphins had very tight coverage which was even more amazing when I was seeing 6 guys pass rushing. Mills had another awful day. Slauson was getting beat. Even the reliable Bushrod struggled at times which was understandable considering he was coming off 2 injuries.
Defense was just as inconsistent. Bears were without Briggs, Bostic and Conte - DJ Williams, McClellin and Khaseem Greene all exposed.
And it wasn't that Trestman was not ready - he and Tucker were simply out-coached by a very sound Dolphins team that came within seconds of upsetting the Packers.
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6-10 Dallas, got it?
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Whatever dude, if it makes you feel better to spout off your prediction now.
Hey, why don't you wait until after December to make your prediction?
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Packers 13-3.
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http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/dan-hampton-says-marc-trestman-runs-bears-like-a-daycare/
LOL!
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Nothing but a gut feeling from watching this team meet potential and then fall well short of potential. My bold prediction is for a Bears victory over the Patriots. Too much says we don't win which is when we usually do. Expect to see a heavy dose of Forte and more reliance on the short passing game.
I'd also like to see a linebacker line up of Bostic, Sharpton, and Jones. At this point, I will take the mistakes in experience. Briggs, have a chair one more week.
Ola to replace Mills on the line
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I would make all of those changes Grizz, but will touchy feely Trestman have the balls to do it? And everyone was saying if we could just get to the bye at 4-4 we would have a shot, although we are losing the ones we should win, I guess we could beat the Pats. But it would have to be some heavy fluke **** going on. Like two punt returns for TD or something goofy.
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Wee it certainly doesn't add up to a win.
They have good corners which clearly causes problems for our receivers. We have Fuller out an no one to cover Gronk.
Bellichek will take away Forte
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I'd also like to see a linebacker line up of Bostic, Sharpton, and Jones. At this point, I will take the mistakes in experience. Briggs, have a chair one more week.
Ola to replace Mills on the line
I agree with Bostic and Sharpton...I'm really not a big fan of DJ Williams. If Briggs is healthy he plays. Plus I think Jones is more of an SLB anyway. The backup WLB is Khaseem Greene.
As for Mills. He's had 2 dreadful games in a row. 2 weeks ago he was dreadful against journeymen DEs and last week he looked bad against a very good DE. Maybe he's still got foot issues? I don't know that Ola is that much better. Trestman will probably stick with his starting 5.
Bushrod gets a break Sunday with Chandler Jones being out for a month. Chandler is the Pats leading sacker and BTW was drafted 2 spots AFTER McClellin. Chandler in his 2 1/2 years alread has 22 career sacks.
So yes DEs can be found later in round 1.
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and McClellin needs to be cut.
Forte needs to run the ball more than 2 times in the first half and one 3rd and 1he needs to run it.
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B]So yes DEs can be found later in round 1.[/B]
Don't the Pats run a 3/4 defense? Kinda different than a 4/3 DE. Mystery solved
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Urlacher saying what needs to be said.....
Retired Chicago Bears Pro Bowl linebacker Brian Urlacher was highly critical of Bears quarterback Jay Cutler on Wednesday, acknowledging his former teammate's talent but saying he doesn't do enough to win games..
"We say it every year how talented Jay is ... how much talent," Urlacher said during an interview on the "Kap and Haugh Show" on WGWG-FM (87.7). "But the NFL is not a talent contest. It's a winning contest. You want to win football games, that's what it comes down to.
"If your quarterback can't make plays in certain situations for you to win games, he's not getting the job done."
Asked whether Cutler should be considered an elite quarterback, Urlacher said, "Financially, he is one of the elite guys in the NFL. You look at his contract, he was paid like an elite quarterback, if I am not mistaken. He just hasn't produced like an elite quarterback.
"You look at the guys ... the Bradys, the Mannings, the Rodgerses, the Breeses ... those guys win every year. Even with no one around them. (Aaron) Rodgers has no offensive line, he wins. (Tom) Brady has no receivers, he wins. You look at Jay, he's got Brandon (Marshall), Alshon (Jeffery), Matt (Forte) and a great offensive line ... Martellus Bennett ... and they can't seem to put it together for some reason.
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Yep, same thing I said yesterday, the win column matters..
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Like Philip Rivers too - he may not win all the time - but you know he's giving 100% every time
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Philip Rivers had 2 sub par years in a row and looked to be headed out of town. Not sure what turned it around for him last year and the start of this year, but he is back to where he was.
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Rivers got a better OL and no Norv Turner offense designed to hold the ball while receivers get open.
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Don't the Pats run a 3/4 defense? Kinda different than a 4/3 DE. Mystery solved
Nope - they run a 4-3 now. 6-5 265 is prototype 4-3 DE size.
Unlike the guys I liked: Whitney Mercilus and Nick Perry (3-4 OLBs) over McClellin (now a 4-3 SLB).
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I guess if anyone knows anything about having talent and a still have a losing record it would be Urlacher....
His Bears led teams only made the playoffs in 4 of his 12 years with the team.
He's and expert for sure.
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::) Once a Cutty defender always a Cutty defender, going down with the ship....
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Unless you have a life preserver....who do you suggest to right the ship? All I hear from you is Cutler sucks...so tell me the alternative?
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Bears players and coaches can't wait until next game to get rid of the stink of the Miami game.
Bears offense has to be aggressive but smart. I'd bet the Pats play 8 in the box and blitz plenty...especially with Jones out. It all starts with our O-line.
Defensively, we might have a complete team out there. Conte is back. Maybe Briggs and Bostic play and Fuller is going to give it go though he might be shorthanded. We'll need everybody we can get going against Brady - can't recall us ever beating him.
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Brady is a pocket passer ... either collapse the pocket or make him run out of it.
Then he's ours. ;D
Didn't we draft 2 DT's? Lets put em to work.
If the pocket collapses ...
isn't that why we hired Allen & Young and the never seen Houston at DE?
You know you want a bang for your buck with FREE AGENTS ...
**** ... JJ would like to see the money spent as money spent ... well spent. ???
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That's like a Obama voter realizing his vote screwed the country and now he's asking a Romney supporter 'what do we do now?'. I don't know, I didn't support Obama, figure it out yourself....
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Bears players and coaches can't wait until next game to get rid of the stink of the Miami game.
Bears offense has to be aggressive but smart. I'd bet the Pats play 8 in the box and blitz plenty...especially with Jones out. It all starts with our O-line.
Defensively, we might have a complete team out there. Conte is back. Maybe Briggs and Bostic play and Fuller is going to give it go though he might be shorthanded. We'll need everybody we can get going against Brady - can't recall us ever beating him.
Be careful about what you wish for. The Pats could put a whole other kind of stink on the team with an epic beat down. I would agree that Conte out there helps, which is contrary to popular opinion. Although that just says how much or S suck. If he starts/plays he wont last the game. As for Bostic I would like for him to play, Briggs, he can sit again. And the same for DJ Williams. And I would let Shea unload the bags from the plane, and that is about it.
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Stink is right. It may get downright messy..
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I'm hoping for a miracle but just know better. This team sucks when it comes up against a great QB and there's really none better than Brady, hate to say it. He could put more nails in this teams coffin and real quick....
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Anyone watching the game. Man Phillip Rivers sucks! They are losing 28-7.
He keeps screaming at people after every one of his turn overs...
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28-14 and they are playing Denver
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35-14 and man Manning sucks as well. Did you see that pick in the end zone? WTF was he thinking? He was lucky there was a penalty.
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I'd trade our 'suck for their "suck" anyday, lol!!! Let's make it happen....but something tells me they wouldn't want Cutty back....just a guess....
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Rivers isn't even looking at stuff on the sideline. He is just all mad staring at his defense.
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Then Rivers forces it into double coverage to his main guy Floyd. INT. Game over...
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35-14 and man Manning sucks as well. Did you see that pick in the end zone? WTF was he thinking? He was lucky there was a penalty.
LOL!! Yeah right... The **** Broncos are 6-1 and lead their division.... Besides being a great QB, he's a great leader, one quality that Cutler can't even get a sniff at...
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From ESPN
There's a late-night bar story told in NFL circles about Peyton Manning's free-agent visit with the 49ers in 2012. Harbaugh and Manning were throwing the ball, so it goes, when the coach couldn't help but remark that his passes had more mustard on them than the still-rehabbing future Hall of Famer's did. You can guess how that went over.
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Back on topic, I'm hoping Briggs and Fuller are healthy enough to play and that Shea stays on the sidelines. If the Pats play man and Holmes or Morgan are open, Cutler should give them some looks. The D line needs to earn their money and Forte needs to be fed the ball. Since this season has been so damn illogical, the Bears should win. For all intents and purposes, this is a playoff game for the Bears. It is impossible to recover from a 3-6 start and they know it.
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since we're 3-4 I'm to assume your chalking the green bay game up to a loss.. I'm still hopeful.. Cutler can't win by himself, but I'm still hopeful he get's his act together and we make a run for a playoff spot (I know, right)
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That's like a Obama voter realizing his vote screwed the country and now he's asking a Romney supporter 'what do we do now?'. I don't know, I didn't support Obama, figure it out yourself....
In other words you don't have a clue. You're just the loud drunk in the bar spouting off.
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35-14 and man Manning sucks as well. Did you see that pick in the end zone? WTF was he thinking? He was lucky there was a penalty.
You mean a QB can have a bad game and still win if the rest of your team doesn't suck as well? Who knew? Seriously...I get it that Cutler is not in the elite category. Few are. I just don't see another option out there. It will take years to develop a rookie and nobody is trading a Rodgers, Manning, Brees or Brady. Our defense stinks and our special teams are worse. A future hall-of-famer like Manning, Brady, Brees or Rodgers can overcome that but can you name any other starter playing now that would be successful with our D and special teams?
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Rivers isn't even looking at stuff on the sideline. He is just all mad staring at his defense.
So Rivers was showing some emotion and interest in the game? Funny how Cutler just goes to the bench after a turnover and just sulks and mopes, not bothering to look at anything to see what happened. Isnt it odd that Trestman instituted the "rotating" captain crap this year. Shouldn't Cutler be a captain every week, the leader of the O?
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The only important thing the 'official' captain does is stand at midfield and watch a coin flip.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_team_captains
I didn't know it, but there are several other teams that do the same thing..
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Isnt it odd that Trestman instituted the "rotating" captain crap this year. Shouldn't Cutler be a captain every week, the leader of the O?
Yeah! Just like Aaron Rodgers!
Oh... Wait... What???? The Packers have a rotating captain every week also?
Cutler still sucks....
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Yeah, I was in the make excuses for Cutler camp, but I have seen the light. When Cutler does half as good as Rodgers, we can talk about leadership.
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Oh I'm sure Wml wasn't implying Cutler is even half the QB Rodgers is......I'm sure of it....yea....positive, even....sure
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John Cutler SUCKS! *HICK* He SUCKS! What? What's *HICK* what's his name again? Jeff? Jeff *HICK* Jeff *HICK* Jeff Cutler SUCKS!!
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Think about it.. Green Bays defense, are they good? Not really, ranked below ours. Does Green Bay have better receivers than the Bears? Hell no! Better running back? absolutely not.. It is definitely a team sport but the QB is the most important fucker on the team.
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Careful, those could be fighting words. LOL
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Our defense is better than yours and we don't have an head case WR.
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Take Rodgers off that team and you guys would be in a world of ****..
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Si Si, mucho mierda
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So the new measuring stick for Cutler is how he compares to a future hall-of-famer?
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Our defense is better than yours and we don't have an head case WR.
Congratulations...you are the tallest midget.
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The new measuring stick? What was the old one?
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How about the measuring stick being leading game winning drives. Pretty sure who wins that one. Or who makes less bonehead plays. We could always just look at turnovers, that is pretty generic.
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So Cutler sucks and needs to go because his stats don't measure up to the future Hall of Famer? Ok....where do we get a QB that will meet those standards? Better yet by my count there are about 5 future Hall of Famers playing now. That leaves a lot of NFL starters that are not headed for the hall. Of those which ones would you swap Cutler for if you could? I'm guessing that there are only 3 or 4..Luck(who very well may be a future HOF), Kaepernick?,Wilson?, Flacco? . I think that still leave Cutler as a top 10. Granted his contract is huge for a 10th in the league QB but that is on the management not the player. Who would turn it down?
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We need to begin developing a QB for the future period. Cuttler isn't a spring chicken anymore.
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We need to begin developing a QB for the future period. Cuttler isn't a spring chicken anymore.
Agreed...but that is at least 3 years away if you draft one now.
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If you draft a QB in May 2015, that QB only has 2 years left before Cuttler is elgible to be jettisoned. This year is Cuttler's first year on his new deal.
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Not sure where Cutler ranks in leading game winning drives, but Rodgers sucks...
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/aaron-rodgers-mr-irrelevant-fourth-quarter/15278/
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Date on the article?
July 2012.
Relevant? No.
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Cutlers not going anywhere. He needs to get it together though. I still think there's something going on with him. It's as if some games he has his head up his ass.
I looked up rankings of QB's the other week. Couldn't find a definitive ranking other than some sports sites that did some preseason rankings. Most of them had Cutler up around 13th, 14th. I don't care that much for Kaepernick. Pretty sure Flacco has a ring, and other accolades... Not too shabby.
Funny thing, I thought the rub was that it's a team sport so Cutler was off limits until the rest of the team started playing better. So I name a situation where the QB carry's the team, but that doesn't count, cause he's a good QB... Darnitt!!
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Cutler actually has had several games where he brought the team back in the 4th (none this season). The problem is, he's turning the ball over and then going into melt down mode.
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Here's a couple of those sites. Somewhat meaningless, but whatever..
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000388688/article/quarterback-index-ranking-the-starters-132
http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
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If you are talking to me....no, Cutler is not off limits. None of the team is off limits but to blame everything on him when our defense is as unpredictable as he is and our special teams are just awful is really not fair. You really think bringing up a HOFer is an appropriate comparison? Some QB's can win with a below average team around them. Most cannot. I don't recall anyone claiming that Cutler could. You mention Flacco's ring. Do you think he would have it without that great defense? Think he would have one with our defense? Yes, Cutler can be exasperating but I personally would rather have one that has the potential to get hot and beat anyone over our parade of failures thyat were consistently horrible.
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Didn't we have more success in the playoffs and even get to a Super Bowl with our previous 'parade of failures'?!? I think folks are really mesmerized by Cutler. Strong arm, makes a few good throws, the media hypes him. But reality is a different animal altogether. I would rather have a guy who has a average arm, can see the field better, makes the right throws and avoids the wrong ones and wins games than someone who can throw a football through a brick wall......
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I agree with Keys. I don't mind people blasting Cutler when he makes a bone headed decision. But to blast him for the record this season seems silly to me.
The special teams have been down right terrible and the defense is not much better.
When Cutler is "on" he as good as anyone in the league. He is easily a top 15 QB in the league. Which is a hell of a lot better then the Bears have had for a very long time.
I am fine with him being replaced. Draft kids coach them up and if they are better hand them the reigns. But lets not get stupid right now. Seems to me Bears fans are trying to run the guy out of town. It is ridiculous and short sighted.
Everyone wanted McCown. He was terrible in Tampa and is now on IR for the season.
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Sporty we had a top 5 defense and special teams then.
If we can draft a QB in the first round next year by all means do it. But with Cutlers current contract that is the only way to replace him with someone better.
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What McCown is now with Lovie in Tampa is totally irrelevant to what he WAS here under Trestman. Cannot even begin to compare the two. And I think we just keep on forgetting the facts.....Cutler is responsible for 37 points off turnovers this year....that's huge. Even a very good defense would have a hard time overcoming that....
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No Cutler and the O-line that didn't block their guy, the receivers who ran the wrong routes and the defense that then allowed those points.
I am not forgiving Cutler I am just pointing out he is not solely to blame. This is a team sport. He is not Aaron Rodgers so he is not good enough to make the whole team better. Few QB's are.
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Peke....do you have confidence Cutler can get the job done tommorrow?? Do you???
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It is a bad match up for the Bears due to our defense more then our offense.
Do I have confidence Cutler will get it done? The question should be do I have confidence the Bears will get it done.
Everything I read and see says the Bears lose this one. Same thing before the Niners and Falcons game.
I think the odds are in the Patriots favor but it would not shock me if the Bears won. Cutler rarely has two bad games in a row. He often follows a terrible game with a good one.
My guess is the Bears don't turn the ball over much but are not real effective on offense due to trying to play it safe. The defense will give up way to many points and we lose. Just a hunch.
I could also see our D-line wreaking havoc on Brady and Forte running all over the Pats. This season has been so crazy I have no idea what will happen.
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We're so doomed.....the difference between these two is completely laughable. 18 playoff wins to 1....171 wins to 60....
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I think Brady is looking ahead to next week's matchup against Peyton.
I'm more concerned with our defense this weekend than I am Cutler and the offense. Cutler should get better protection this week and he'll need it as the Pats DBs are pretty good. Bears D will have to generate some pressure - Pats Oline protect Brady.
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Here's the recipe for disaster and we've seen it time and again.....Bears get the ball, they go 3 and out, maybe they make one first down and out. Pats drive goes down and scores a TD. Bam, Bears behind the 8 ball already, 0-7. Bears drive and get maybe a FG out of it. 3-7. Pats get the ball, drive down and get another TD. Bears suddenly down 3-14. Bears get the ball again, Cut gets itchy and presses too much, throwing low, high and off the mark. Drive fizzles. Pats get the ball, bam another TD. Now we're screwed....21-3. Halftime. Pats get the ball 2nd half.....drive down, stall and get a FG. Now it sits at 24-3. Bears are coming apart, but they're moving the ball a bit more, trying to get Forte going. Run run run, get a couple first downs for it but out of FG range, punt. Pats get the ball, Brady is on fire now, bam bam bam TD. Here comes the blowout....31-3. Bears are screwed now....Cut starts pressing harder, balls coming out wilder and bam, first int. Pats get the ball but Bears D have had enough and finally wake up and the drive stalls, punt. Bears are desperate, Forte is getting alot more looks in the air and the drive goes down and putters out as a FG at this point is worthless, punt. Pats get the ball, drive down and once more score a TD. Now it's a certified blowout, 38-3. Bears all over the place now as Cutler is winging up for grabs and bam, one more int to his long list of them. Pats get a FG making it 41-3.......
Final score, 41-3.....
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Sporty we had a top 5 defense and special teams then.
If we can draft a QB in the first round next year by all means do it. But with Cutlers current contract that is the only way to replace him with someone better.
Right on. I see somebody read my thinking correctly. OTOH what I see that Emery has done is pick up a player like Jimmy Clausen, not that I believe Clausen is good enough, because he has the same problems Cutler has. However, Clausen in a good system with great coaching could straighten Clausen out, not that I believe he absolutely will.
On the same trend of thought as Clausen, I would keep my eyes on Kirk Cousins. If the Deadskins stupidly jettison Cousins I'd jump on that if I were Emery. I still love Cousins's potential with a coach like Trestman.
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I think Trestman/Kromer can take a motivated/intelligent qb with average skills and make them better than they are, ie McCown. But, if you have outstanding skills but less than great motivation/intelligence, they are not going to be doing miracles.
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If you are talking to me....no, Cutler is not off limits. None of the team is off limits but to blame everything on him when our defense is as unpredictable as he is and our special teams are just awful is really not fair. You really think bringing up a HOFer is an appropriate comparison? Some QB's can win with a below average team around them. Most cannot. I don't recall anyone claiming that Cutler could. You mention Flacco's ring. Do you think he would have it without that great defense? Think he would have one with our defense? Yes, Cutler can be exasperating but I personally would rather have one that has the potential to get hot and beat anyone over our parade of failures thyat were consistently horrible.
Potential?? If Cutler was 24 I would be right there. This is Jays 9th season.. Cutler throws an int, then he melts and starts throwing high, in the dirt, into double coverage. I used to blame the receivers "Knox ran a wrong route". It's Jay! I'm hoping Jay settles in, but I will call like I see it. Good or bad.. And don't start the "who would you rather have". This conversation is about Jay Cutlers abilities to lead this team and win games. I hope Jay comes out and lights the pat's up, big time!! I'd love to see him have a 400 yard passing game (Jim Miller still holds the team record, that scrub) and spank the Pats. That in itself would shut everyone up...
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Forget Cousins, no way in hell do the skins let him go. With RG 3's health record? Cousins is a fixture on that team..
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Someone mentioned that this game really isn't about Cutler. In thinking about it, Cutler would have to have a 600 yard game to win today. Brady is going to pick this sorry ass defense apart. Has Mel Tucker been fired yet?
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I see New England's D is #1 against the pass..
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Didn't we have more success in the playoffs and even get to a Super Bowl with our previous 'parade of failures'?!?
Do you mean good Rex/Bad Rex who got run out of town too?
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We're so doomed.....the difference between these two is completely laughable. 18 playoff wins to 1....171 wins to 60....
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Yeah...wouldn't look nearly as bad if we only had McCown's stats there.
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**** lucky ass Lions
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Lucky is right!!
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This is a good game to get back on track.. If Cutler and the O can hang onto the ball and eat up some clock maybe we have a chance..
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look at the wind. Who ever can run the ball and stop the run should win this game.
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Holding killed us
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Well let's see if we have a defense this week...
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Nope. They will score this drive and the route will be on.
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this could get ugly quick
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Brady looking surgical
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This game is over.
Now Jay will throw all day long.
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well that was **** easy. getting fitted for clown shoes. again.
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Bears showing their heart early on both sides of the ball
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Has Mel Tucker been fired Yet?
Quote earlier from today - "If Mel Tucker has them in that vanilla defense, Tom Brady will pick them apart and it will be long day for the Bears."
This was the same with Aaron Rodger - Tucker had the min vanilla defense and Rodgers picked them apart.
How does Trestman/Emery go naother week with Mel Tucker?
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If this is a debacle, I'm calling and cancelling the ticket. waste of money. not to mention time and good booze getting wasted while sitting here furious. I've watched the same stupid **** with the exception of the Dikta years (which was a fluke) over and over and over.
Time to move on.
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penalties... ****!!
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Agreed....if you have something better to do today - do it.
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Nice first down by cut
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whole team is completely listless.
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love the jersey grabs on tv never called.
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Yep, I have to agree
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Twice now the Pats have gotten away with PI.
Not that it matters. It will be 14-0 here in a few.
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No sense of urgency.
Terrible play calling on the last drive.
I am guessing this game goes 42 to 3
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ok, this is seriously getting unwatchable.
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Is this going to be like Tanneyhill going 12 for 12 to start??
Mel Tucker showing no changes o nD.
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quick throws, killing us
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Fuller, with broken hand getting picked on.
We can't stop the run or the pass.
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look, i gotta go. you guys tell me how it turns out. 46 signing off.
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Tom Brady won't even need a shower after this game.
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Wow! Held them out of the endzone. Well unless they go for it.
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Nice stand, do the pats go for it?
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Which would not surprise me.
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Bears stop them on 4th down. But a flag on the Patriots save them.
What BS!
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give the d credit!!
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Will that give our O some fire?
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We would not have wanted a 4th down stop on the 1/2 yard line. Good stand at the end for the D, but maybe they could try not being a turnstile on the Patriot side of the field before it gets to that point.
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This Offense is terrible
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Need 4 yards they throw the RB for a loss of 1.
Trestman needs to go. He's the new Jauron.
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I hate this team
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Obviously the game plan is to not risk an interception because:
No interceptions = their only three wins
Good luck with that...
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How the **** can they call that PI when they have let the Pats do it all day?
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Good teams get the calls. Bad teams i doesn't matter.
Brady is destroying this garbage.
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Not like the Pats need any help, but the PI call was TOTAL **** BULLSHIT!!!!
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Pat's stumbling
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Trestman is obviously in way over his head. I will always wonder what we would look like with B. Arians as HC as that is who I really wanted. Arizona is 5-1 right now.
This **** is unwatchable.
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17-0. Great team.
Scummy Bears may end up 3-13.
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Will this team score a point today?
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Stick a fork in them. For this game and the season.
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sportster called this one, except we didn't get the 3
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We're just spotting them a few,, right where they want em
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Frank Schwab @YahooSchwab
It's amazing, but it seems Jay Cutler is somehow getting worse with perhaps the best supporting cast in the league.
https://twitter.com/YahooSchwab/status/526429003255525376
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Still comes down to the O, they can't get any first downs and keep Brady off the field. We already know the D sucks big
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This team doesn't even play hard or seem to care.
What will loud mouth Marshall say after this blow out?
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We know this team sucks but hard to do anything when one team is allowed to PI and the other team can't even breath on a receiver.
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Finally get a call.
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TD Cutler to Forte.
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Finally!! Hopefully this gets this team going..
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Good drive. Tim for the D to get a three and out
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3rd and 14.
Easy first down for Brady and ow they are across midfield.
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Daryl Sharpton is out for the rest of the game.
Was he even playing?
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Brady just destroying this defense. Bears are the Jags of the NFC.
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Sad thing is they'll likely beat the dregs on their schedule to prevent them from getting a much needed top-3 pick.
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The ball was moving that should be incomplete.
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Doesn't matter they will still score even if it is overturned. This defense is so **** bad.
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Bears will be lucky to get another win.
Trestman has a three year deal I think. Hopefully he gets bought out. He is in way over his head.
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I don't se how that could not have been ruled incomplete. Oh well. Not going to make a difference anyway.
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how the **** does that stand?
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Brady's pace for today through a half:
34-40, 388 yards, 6 TD's
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Of course the call stands....
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Then the special teams **** us... This team is terrible!!
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Is it coaching? Talent? Injuries?
All three?
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personal foul?????????????????????
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Keystone Cops out there now.
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"We'll go back and look at the tape"
"We have to make more plays"
"There's 8 games to go."
"We just have to execute better"
"We just have to step up our game"
"We'll use the bye week to refresh and every game from here on out is an important game for us"
"Did I mention, we'll go look at the tape and make the corrections?"
"We're still a very close team."
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Long pulled a guy off Cutler that was taking forever to get off of him.
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Pats will score again before the half.
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Holding on the bears. Half the distance to the goal.
LOL!
Could these special teams be any worse?
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Can they fire the whole **** team on the bye?
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TD PATS!!!!
LOL!
I am going outside. Better things to do then watch this bullshit.
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31-7.
The Patriots only need about 30 seconds to score. They have a chance for more.
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"we'll just have to regroup at halftime and execute one play at a time as if it was 0-0"
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I don't understand how our special teams coach is allowed to continue as a coach of the Bears.
My like for Trestman abd Emery is over.
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Talent or no...this is one poorly coached team.
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This team SUCKS!!!
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Way to go Cuntler!
38-7.
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On the plus side...I'm thinking the Bears could seriously compete for a Grey Cup
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Most points scored by any team against the Bears in a half. Nice job Tucker.
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Brady could spend the whole second half **** Gisele Bündchen. Probably should after bending the Bears over for two quarters.
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21 points in 57 seconds
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NE has committed one more penalty than the Bears so we clearly have the discipline edge.
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Good work Jay. 2 picks and a fumble-rooski in one half. That's a baker's dozen at the halfway point of the season.
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Any chance the Bears franchise will catch Ebola?
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Any chance the Bears franchise will catch Ebola?
They'd likely drop it.
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They may already have it
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Well I know I cant blame Jay for this loss, well because some will defend him. And I don't, although the INT that was nullified by a penalty was a poor decision. The hail mary INT at the end was just garbage time, but what about the fumble returned for a TD? Ok ok, you appologists will say that was just icing on the Pats cake, and I agree. But still, that is a boneheaded move.
On the D, which is as putrid as I have ever seen, Shea McClellin should be relegated to gathering and laundering jock straps. DJ Williams is just as bad. Conte seems to be in on a lot of plays, but not really hitting anyone, like he doesn't want to get hurt. And Mundy vs. Gronkowski is NOT a good matchup. Mel Tucker I hope you are only renting in the Chicago area. And the special teams coach, that goes for you too.
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And Jarred Allen is getting dominated by Solder, another invisible performance, and on turf none the less. And if you think Belechik will call off the hounds in the second half, that is a weakness only Bears coaches have. I just wonder how high the score gets. Time to put Clausen in the second half and see what he has going on.
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Can you fire coaches at halftime?
Isn't time to FIRE people like Ted Phillips (The Bears fluffer) - Phillips is in charge of evaluzting the entire organization. He shuld be fired tomorrow.
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I'm all for sitting Cutler the rest of this one
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I'm all for sitting Cutler the rest of this one
Wouldnt surprise me in the least to see Claussen before this is over with.
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45-7.
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It's men against boys out there today.
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So players were disgusted at Cutler's fumble. Seriously? Do they think he's the reason they are 38 points back?
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very embearssed to be a Bears fan today. At I have college football, High School football, Blackhawks and Bulls.
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Bears will be lucky to escape without a sixty-burger today...pathetic.
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I think this defense is worse than last year's. The offense has taken two steps back, and the special teams are as bad if not worse. Nice work by the coaching staff and GM.
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Whu is Tucker still allowey to coach? Leave him in New England.
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Special teams are killing us. Worst in the league.
Get Cutler out of there.
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Houston.....we have a problem......
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Houston finally gets a sack and then hurts himself celebrating in a 25 point (or more) loss...
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Houston is a complete moron. And I am now rooting for losses for the rest of the season to improve our draft position. Someone book mark this post if and when we make the playoffs this year and I will be more than happy to eat crow. Our D is horrifically bad. We need a large infusion of talent, and high draft picks would help. If we ended up 3-13 now it wouldn't upset me at all.
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One last thing before I go out and enjoy the rest of the day...our O was supposed to be able to put up big points, and hang in there in shootouts. Funny how we haven't **** the 30 point mark this year. Brandon Marshall was right, with the talent we have at the skill positions, Marshall/Jeffery/Forte/Bennett it IS unacceptable that we are not doing better. And I thought Ola did better than Mills has done for the last several weeks.
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Yep, went about how I thought it would....
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Ok, here's the deal....if I'm a POS defensive end, say like HOUSTON, who runs his mouth against the fans, doesn't do jack squat on the field, ever and THEN finally gets a mop up sack of a backpedaling QB, I don't get up and act like a total asshat with a 'I own the world!' sack dance!!! That is so incredibly fitting to this entire fking team. Do ONE thing finally after getting your azz handed to you and you celebrate?!? ARE you $^$#@ KIDDING me!!!
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Plus he hurt his knee celebrating.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:11768658
Clown car posse.....complete with music.....pathetic
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Even with all the talent on O, we are now a bottom feeder in the NFL.....
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Pathetic performance by the whole team!! This coaching staff is terrible!!
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And guess what, we get to go to Green Bay and get smacked around once again!!
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When is the trade deadline? Time to blow this up.
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I like how someone said Jay doesn't have back to back bad games. I guess he didn't really have a bad game, although he did score on 2 2pt conversions. This loss is clearly on the D. BUT, our high powered O fell short yet again....
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I blame our horrific special teams as well.
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The whole **** team!! This **** Offense sucks big!! Defense is without saying..
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I am all for blowing it up. Briggs, gone. McClellin, gone. DJ Williams, gone. Allen, gone. Houston, gone. Mills, gone. Please add at least ONE S who can play, two would be better. We need at least two LBs, since it looks like Sharpton got hurt, the knock on him. I would say we need two DE as well. A RT, maybe a new C, although De La Puente wasn't terrible. And pretty much everyone on special teams as well as our third WR, although I will wait and see what Wilson can do. Sad, very sad.
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F for Coaching
"The Bears clearly looked as if they were not ready to play. That's a reflection on the head coach. The offense continues to disappoint. Mel Tucker had absolutely no answer for Brady or Gronkowski. The season is slipping away. If the Bears lose to Green Bay after the bye week and fall to 3-6, forget about it. Certain coaches will be held accountable."
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Tucker needs to be one of those bye week coaching casualties.
I see people still think it's cutlers fault. Maybe if he could have just stopped NE on one of those first half possessions. Or at least not given up the 3rd and 14 and 3rd and 18 on one of those drives.
Cutler should have scored on every possession. That's really not too much to as for from your QB. Cutler obviously needs to go because did you see the way Claussen was winging that ball around and gaining yards when he came in? He almost gave up a pick 6 but because he was so awesome the defender dropped it when he zipped right in front of the WR on his way to the endzone.
Clausen is ready. He has two weeks to prepare. Put him in now coach!
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Glad I didn't sit and end up in another foaming mouth rage. On the up side, Bears set a franchise record. Most points scored against
the Bears in the history of the Bears. Keep in mind when the team was formed. This team has shifted from boring to inept, total punching bag for the NFL.
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Hey Bill, the sarcasm is sounding really stupid at this point, seriously. It's kinda like Stevie Wonder trying to be a art critic. I do agree with the comment that Tucker needs to go. This absolutely is a must, just to keep any form of sanity with this team. They need to at least somewhat appear they understand what's going on with the team. As for Cutler, he is not keeping drives alive, at all. Notice how Brady was. If you have a terrible defense, you don't want them on the field all game long, so that means your offense has to move the ball and preferably, score with it. This requires a QB that makes plays....kinda like Brady did to us all game long......
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Just saw a clip of Jays post game presser. He said they were going to look at the tape, and then decide if they were going to pack it in for the rest of the year or try and win in the second half of the season. Really? No wait, that is what Brady said a couple of weeks ago I am sure.
And in my opinion several players have already packed it in for the year...
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Yeah the Bears are just what any team needs to tune up against. Beating the Vikes is now kind of questionable in my mind. Maybe the Bucs, but the rest of the games look like losses right now.
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At this point, gotta figure that every game remaining will be a huge challenge for this f'kd up team to win. They could very easily go 3-13 and it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Right now we're one of the 5 worst teams in this league.....Trestman should be on a very short leash at this point and Tucker's gotta go, now.....take DeCamillis with.... man, is there much even worth keeping?? Blow it up.....blow the fricking thing up...
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FWIW
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/Bears-offense-stalls-in-loss/55e3236e-b1fa-4b91-849e-32826b0be693
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Hey Bill, the sarcasm is sounding really stupid at this point, seriously. It's kinda like Stevie Wonder trying to be a art critic. I do agree with the comment that Tucker needs to go. This absolutely is a must, just to keep any form of sanity with this team. They need to at least somewhat appear they understand what's going on with the team. As for Cutler, he is not keeping drives alive, at all. Notice how Brady was. If you have a terrible defense, you don't want them on the field all game long, so that means your offense has to move the ball and preferably, score with it. This requires a QB that makes plays....kinda like Brady did to us all game long......
There you go Emery...just go find us another Brady. Easy as that.
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Hell, at this point I'd be happy with Orton! We don't need a Brady, all we need to go further than we are with Cutler is a QB that is solid, doesn't turn the ball over and makes plays. Said it time and again.....a big arm throwing int's is getting us nowhere....
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But then we would need defense and special teams again. Could Orton here be the man? Maybe. But our biggest problem is still defense.
The league is set up for offense. You have to spend the money on offense. Our defense and special teams suck ass. Even with a lot of money being spent on defense.
You can argue the money spent on offense is on the wrong people but in todays league you have to spend your money on offense. The rules almost dictate it.
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Hell, at this point I'd be happy with Orton! We don't need a Brady, all we need to go further than we are with Cutler is a QB that is solid, doesn't turn the ball over and makes plays. Said it time and again.....a big arm throwing int's is getting us nowhere....
There you are Emery. Go get Orton. He would have prevented Brady from throwing 5 TDS's....make it so.
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Yes we need help on D but I'm of the opinion that some of what is wrong with our D right now is scheme from Tucker. I don't believe he's putting the guys in the right sets to be successful. Is zone the right call for QB's like Rodgers and Brady who just love picking that apart??
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God you Cutler supporters are all alike! Fking wake up already! IF we have a QB that can fking get the damn ball down the field, we wouldn't have our D ON THE FIELD!! Do you get it yet or are you just going to keep posting dumbass sarcastic stupid **** over and over??? You cannot get it into your thick skulls that keeping the offense on the field keeps the D OFF!....damn!....feeling like I'm talking with Rainman here....I mean, do you not understand that the best defense with some of these hot QB's is keeping their asses on the bench?? And then if that don't work you need a QB that can move the chains and score and do you not yet understand that Cutler is NOT getting that done?? Has it sunk in to those thick skulls yet? You're like drones....Cutler...Cutler C-C-C-Cutler. It's time to realize he isn't the answer here and ya need to wake up to that reality....because the rest of the damn nation is there already....
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Cutler throws deep better then Orton. Do you not remember 3 yd pass Orton?
We ALL want all three phases to do better. We all want a great HOF QB. We ALL know Cutler isn't it. Those you keep ridiculing just know that there are only a handful of QB's in the NFL better then Cutler.
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BS! You're caught in the stats snare. He has great stats, so fking what! What has he DONE with those stats??? And Cutler's deep ball has sucked ass. He throws deep into double,triple coverage, throws over heads, short, whatever.... Ya know what...I don't even have to defend my position. Let's just let this all play out. You will eventually wake up to what I'm saying, I will guarantee it....
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Do you not remember Orton as the Bears QB? He was ok but the offense would score ten points a game. Granted he would probably do better with the guys we have now but still. Come on.
Orton plays for the Bills we aren't going to get him. I want a better QB then Cutler. I want our Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning.
Cutler is not in their league. I know that. But he is better then at least 15 QB's in the league.
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Cutler has some of the hottest weapons in the league, Peke, and look what he's done with them. We need to remember what this guy has at his disposal and he still is not getting the job done.... We obviously are stuck with him because of the insane contract he recieved. But we will need to give this guy all the damn competition possible in the offseason, bringing in vets, getting a QB in the draft. Put pressure on his ass to wake up! But I really believe that won't even be enough to get him where he needs to be. So be it. Put his ass on the bench next season with a vet that can....
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God you Cutler supporters are all alike! Fking wake up already! IF we have a QB that can fking get the damn ball down the field, we wouldn't have our D ON THE FIELD!! Do you get it yet or are you just going to keep posting dumbass sarcastic stupid **** over and over??? You cannot get it into your thick skulls that keeping the offense on the field keeps the D OFF!....damn!....feeling like I'm talking with Rainman here....I mean, do you not understand that the best defense with some of these hot QB's is keeping their asses on the bench?? And then if that don't work you need a QB that can move the chains and score and do you not yet understand that Cutler is NOT getting that done?? Has it sunk in to those thick skulls yet? You're like drones....Cutler...Cutler C-C-C-Cutler. It's time to realize he isn't the answer here and ya need to wake up to that reality....because the rest of the damn nation is there already....
Wow...you have quite a bit invested in your Cutler hate don't you....need a Valium?
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Yea, gimme one of yours? ::)
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On a positive note, if there is one today at all, Green Bay is losing to the Saints....pretty sad when that's all there is left...
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Has New England stopped scoring yet?
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Rodgers just turned the ball over again. Man he sucks.
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I'll avoid a juvenile rant and just say that in my opinion this has as much to do with the Bears miserable season as Cutler...maybe more.
http://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/defensive-stats
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Tucker needs to go. I gave him a pass last year due to injuries. This year we have had some injuries but he still has a lot of talent.
The guy sucks.
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Saints 37 Green Gay 16 ;D
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Collinsworth is sure showing his Green Bay bias tonight.
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The QB always gets the most flack along with the head coach. Cutler's not a bad player but he isn't all that good either. This entire team is a mess and I'd be willing to move 95% of it for draft picks.
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Just watching Rodgers makes me wanna wretch....man, I hate that dude....and the Packers for getting lucky to have two HOF QB's in a row. But to play against him, you have to play man coverage tight. It gives the DL just a extra couple secs to get to him and also be able to possibly deflect and int, like they have tonight.
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Boy, that was a blown defense. The spy LB leaves the middle, and Rodgers basically walks the TD in.....
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You have to have a top 15 QB to have a chance. If you have a top 5 QB you are in every game and have a shot at the SB.
The bears for a long time had no QB but a great D and ST. Now we have a top 10-15 QB and no St and no D. It sucks.
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Brees vs Rodgers is a even match....sure helps...
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Now we have a top 10-15 QB
I'd go more with 14-18.
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LOL!! GB about to join the 50+ against club here....
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Awww, Saints went soft and let them get out alive....should have passed for the TD....at least taken a shot
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Manning, Rodgers,Brees, Brady and Luck I think are the top 5 (not in any order). Who are the other 9 that you think are better? I think 10-15 is about right for Cutler.
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Well, if (when) we lose out, the first pick in the draft should be one of the top QB's available. Having a top notch QB is the single most significant factor in a winning team. The only time a team has won it all is with a good QB and very very very good defense, which is much harder to build than getting that one significant QB. There have only been a handful of teams with average QB's that won it all and those teams had world beating defenses. Ravens and Bears come to mind...
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the sarcasm is sounding really stupid at this point, seriously. It's kinda like Stevie Wonder trying to be a art critic.
Stupid? You mean kind of stupid sounding laying all the blame on Cutler? That is how you sound all the time. :-\
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Stats put Cutler much higher then that Chris. I am already downgrading for stupid **** to lower him out of top 10. His actual current stats have him at 7.
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Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Luck, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Newton, Kaepernick, Romo, yes Romo, Fales, Flacco, Palmer, Wilson
According to ESPN, Cutler is the 15th rated QB in the league....
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Think I've stated several times here the problems with the defense. But leaving them on the field because the offense is inept doesn't help them in the least....
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It the offenses fault that the defense stays on the field too much.
It's the offenses fault they give up 80 yard TD drives every time the Defense gets on the field.
How about the defense stops them once. Just once is all I am asking....
The one time the Offense did drive the ball down field (like you asked) for a score what the the defense do on the next possession? Here is a clue... TD NE.
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That's the problem noted about not playing man coverage. Yes, as I've said repeatedly, Tucker has to go. One of the biggest concerns I had with the draft was not even attempting to get a safety and it has bit this team in it's backside repeatedly this season....
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The first few drives the Bears ran the ball and ran it well but penalties killed the drives. The D simply gave up TD's.
The whole team sucks. I don't get the hate for Cutler. I really don't.
Our D and ST are terrible. Our O is not half bad. So of course everyone wants Cutler ran out of town.
I don't get it. Do we really want to go back to the QB carousel we used to have? Did you all forget how bad our QB's have been over the years?
Sure I want a HOF QB for the Bears and I know Cutler is not that. But he is better then we have had for a very, very long time.
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr
Keep in mind there are QB's below Cut performing better than he is right now, Stafford included, so that number will probably drop even more from 15 where he's at now....
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This team is kind of reminding me of the Eagles "dream team", when they had probowlers and super stars at every position and then totally stunk it up. I mean there is NO excuse why we shouldn't score 30+ pts per game with the talent we have on O. None, and we haven't done that once. So what did the Eagles do? New coach, new qb, dump some "super stars", and they seem to be doing pretty well.
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http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2014&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1
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Peke, simple question....with all the weapons Cutler has, why is it our offense is not working right?....what is your take? Yes, we have stupid penalties. I think we go to those sideline routes way too much, and Cut throws dumpoffs when we're sitting at 3 and 12, 3 and 16. And one of those first series, Cut on 3rd down throws the ball into the dirt. He doesn't try to run, doesn't look for the dumpoff, he tosses it straight into the dirt, killing the drive and forcing a punt. I think they're trying to give him easy crap to stop the turnovers....
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I agree with Peke, the D is the biggest steaming pile of **** on our team, but that doesn't mean ST and O aren't also steaming piles of ****. I think Trestmans lovie/touchy/feely everyone get along crap is wearing thin. His schemes and concepts and mad scientist stuff was good when it was working and new, but now everyone has seen his stuff, and the team seems to lack discipline.
I also think that if our D was top notch....Cutler would be less pressing, cause when he does he stinks. I don't think he has faith in them (I sure don't) and tries to put the whole team on his back, which he obviously cant do.
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I'm getting bad vibes from Trestman. He is Jauron in attitude and Wanny in ineptitude....a bad bad combination....Jauronnstedt lol
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Our Oline is the problem on offense imo. Way to many penalties by them putting us in long distance situations.
That is when they are not getting Cutler killed. Injuries on the Oline I would say is the number one problem.
Add to that some ridiculous stupid turnovers not only by Cutler but also by WR's and TE's. I think a lot of the INT's are because the WR and QB are seeing different things. In todays NFL the routes are dictated by the defense and if the WR reads the defense different then the QB then the QB throws to one place and the WR goes to another.
If the Bears go to GB and kick ass will everyone calm down and jump on the band wagon again?
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How much did we pay this dumb Ahole?
The Bears are reportedly concerned defensive lineman Lamarr Houston’s knee injury could be significant.
According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Bears “fear the worst” on Houston, who was injured after leaping in the air celebrating a sack in the fourth quarter of Chicago’s 51-23 loss at New England on Sunday.
Houston is set to get an MRI on his right knee on Monday, he said after the game, according to Michael C. Wright of ESPNChicago.com.
“I probably shouldn’t have celebrated while they were blowing us out, but it happens. Landed wrong, tried to hop up, didn’t feel right, so we’ll see what happens tomorrow,” Houston said, according to ESPN Chicago.
The 27-year-old Houston signed with Chicago in the offseason. His sack of Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo was his first of the season.
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Houston can go during the bye with Tucker. It's really comical and so telling about the guy. Spout off about the fans, don't do jack squat onfield, get a cheap sack against a backup QB and celebrate and knock yourself out for the year. Dumbarse, lol.
Now, seriously Peke, do you really think this Bears team...THIS Bears team, is going to go into GB after the bye and whip them??? Even with a gimpy Rodgers hopping around one legged I think they cream us good. The bye will probably make this team WORSE, lol....
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IF, and that is a big if, we went to GB and put a complete smack down on them, in all three phases of the game I would jump on the band wagon. But I just don't see any way that is going to happen unless Rodgers is out for the year, and he takes Mathews with him. ;)
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Cut on 3rd down throws the ball into the dirt. He doesn't try to run, doesn't look for the dumpoff, he tosses it straight into the dirt, killing the drive and forcing a punt.
Damned if he does damned if he doesn't. If he tries to force a throw that isn't there he sucks because he throws into double coverage and maybe gets a pick he sucks. He dumps it into the ground to avoid a negative play and he sucks.
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Whatever.....you're going to defend him to the death apparently. Maybe someday you'll wake up....maybe....
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Cutler throws deep better then Orton. Do you not remember 3 yd pass Orton?
We ALL want all three phases to do better. We all want a great HOF QB. We ALL know Cutler isn't it. Those you keep ridiculing just know that there are only a handful of QB's in the NFL better then Cutler.
A handful? Are you saying Cutler is like the 5th or 6th best in the league?
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I see you changed to 10-15, that's more than a handful.. whatever..
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This whole team sucked yesterday. When there's discussion like this (Cutler), usually the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I agree that a good Offense keeps the opposing offense off the field. But our D yesterday was getting picked apart like it was nothing, Brady was like a surgeon. We don't talk enough about our special teams, WTF??
I'm not only losing faith in Cutler, but I'm starting to wonder if Trestman was a mistake. For that fact, Emory as well..
And the biggest asshat award has to go to Houston. Wow!! What a complete dumbass!!
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Offense is out of sync, and that appears to fall on the oline and the penalties. Has the league caught up on how to defend Marshall and Jeffrey, because it seems like there is no separation. Cutler is pressing.
Defense is just horrible. Why was Gronkowski just allowed a free release every snap. I don't think I ever saw him chipped. I think our coaches went away from what worked in Atlanta, along with the players that made it work. Sharpton got hurt yesterday, which is the knock on him that he knocks himself out of games. I'd like to see a starting Lb lineup of Jones, Bostic, and Briggs. McClellan just doesn't seem to have a position OR isn't coached to his potential. I think maybe his only niche is as a 3rd down rusher. We were hardly ever in 3rd down yesterday and when they completed the 3rd and 14 late in the first half (which Gronk got another free release), that was the beginning of the end. Did the punter even dress for New England? I think the clock is running now on Mel Tucker.
Glad to have a bye week, I wish it had come a week earlier. Bears coaches need to do some self scouting this week, and players need to return with the edge they had at the start of the season. I was giving Trestman the benefit of another year, but if Harbaugh becomes available and the Bears don't make the playoffs, I would happily say welcome to the Harbaugh era...
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Lamarr Houston provided a perfect punch line, but don’t forget the entire joke that was the Chicago Bears’ performance on Sunday.
Houston had perhaps the most embarrassing moment of the season. He suffered what appears to be a serious knee injury celebrating a sack when the Bears trailed by 25 points late in the fourth quarter. It doesn't get much worse than that.
Houston's regretful act is fitting, because this entire 2014 Bears experiment looks regrettable. They put together a bunch of combustible personalities, overpaid an average NFL starting quarterback, whiffed on most of their attempts to fix a bad defense, and it all culminated in an awful loss to the New England Patriots. The 51-23 final didn’t even reflect how badly the Bears got blown out. They’re 3-5 after the loss.
The conversation with most NFL teams starts with the quarterback, and that’s where it begins in Chicago. Jay Cutler is on his way to missing the Pro Bowl and the playoffs for the eighth time in his nine seasons. It should have been a major red flag for the Bears that journeyman Josh McCown played much better than Cutler when Cutler was out with injury last season, but the Bears gave him a $126 million deal this past offseason anyway. Cutler has a long history of being an average NFL starting quarterback despite his tremendous physical gifts. This year he was given perhaps the best supporting cast in the NFL (Denver and Green Bay might argue otherwise) and he has still been unremarkable. Cutler did almost nothing until the Patriots led 38-7. Too often for an offense with Matt Forte, Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jeffery and Martellus Bennett, the Bears’ offense has gone long stretches without making any plays. Part of the problem is their quarterback isn’t really special, though he gets paid like he is.
That’s not the only problem. Marshall, who took himself out on a fourth-and-10 play against New England, seemed most interested after that loss in jabbing the media for overhearing last week’s locker-room blowup in which Marshall was prominently involved. According to the Chicago Tribune’s Rich Campbell, Marshall told reporters after the game, “Come on, put y’all’s ears closer to the door.” It’s an odd thing to be concerned about immediately following a loss like that. Marshall had one catch for 14 yards at the point the Patriots took a 38-7 lead.
The defense added a lot of pieces in the offseason, but something is missing there. They couldn’t handle Rob Gronkowski, who had three touchdowns. Tom Brady finished with 354 yards, five touchdowns and no interceptions. Even if the offense was great (and it’s not), they aren't going to win many games with this defense anyway.
The Bears have some talent, especially on offense. Is chemistry the problem? Focus? Is the quarterback the issue? Is coach Marc Trestman pushing the right buttons? Whatever the issues are, they’re real, and they manifested themselves all afternoon in New England.
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There are problems with the offensive scheme.
The last several games DB's are all over our WR's.
Cutler drops back and repeatedly can't find anyone open.
Wasn't is last year Cutler had the highest 4th quarter passer rating in the league? I think we have a coaching problem the Chicago media won't talk about.
We really need to jettison Tucker today.
Dennis Allen, the recent Denver defensive coordinator was fired as Raiders coach so should be available.
This soft zone defense has to go.
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His checkdowns work better than his first 3 reads...
He needs to work on his deception - pump fakes? "Looking off" the Safety?
It's not rocket science Jay
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How many different DBs have said Jay locks in and stares down the guy he is going to throw to. He should be skilled enough to at least glance at someone else for a second or two, help your WRs out man.
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IIRC, Brady stared down Gronkowski pre snap and post in the redzone...oh yeah, because at the time Shea was one on one with him. Everybody in the stadium and those watching knew where the ball was going.
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Shea couldn't cover an 80 year old woman, less Gronkowski.
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Some of the balls thrown to Bennett and Marshall were catchable - if they reach out for it instead of waiting for it to come off their chest - where the DBs can knock it away
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Gronk's TDs were caught at about 7' or 8' high - where the DB couldn't even reach
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Shea could too cover an 80 year old woman!!!!
--Shea's mom
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Chicago Bears defensive end Lamarr Houston ruptured an ACL while celebrating a sack of Jimmy Garoppolo during the fourth quarter of the club's 51-23 loss to the New England Patriots on Sunday, Bears general manager Phil Emery confirmed Monday.
Emery said Houston faces a six- to eight-month rehabilitation.
"I have to get an MRI in the morning, hopefully everything is good, but we'll see tomorrow," Houston said Sunday. "I probably shouldn't have celebrated while they were blowing us out, but it happens.
"Landed wrong, tried to hop up, didn't feel right, so we'll see what happens tomorrow."
The Bears, however, feared the worst, a league source had told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
"He's got a knee, and I'm very disappointed for him," coach Marc Trestman said Sunday. "I'm very disappointed for Lamarr."
The celebration and subsequent injury was reminiscent of an injury suffered by Detroit Lions linebacker Stephen Tulloch, who tore his ACL earlier in the season while celebrating.
Also, Emery said left guard Matt Slauson is out for the season with a torn right pectoral muscle. He faces a three- to four-month rehab.
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"Trestman indicated right tackle Jordan Mills and reserve offensive tackle Eben Britton are among the options to replace Slauson."
Isnt Jordan Mills our starting RT??? Maybe Ola got a promotion and nobody announced it.
And I would like to know the consequences of cutting Houston, right now. 6-8 month rehab, he MIGHT get back to his former self, which so far this year was 1 sack and 11 tackles in 8 games. We could have kept Peppers if we wanted **** like that....
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"He's got a Knee". Our past horrors are once again upon us, as Jauronstadt reveals his true self. All we ask for is retribution for the decades of being Bears and yes, Cubs fans, and instead we get
....this. That guy has to have a cell phone with a GB area code. I'm convinced.
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aap... aaap... he's got a knee!! Nightmare **** all over again..
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How about growing a pair and saying "I am very disappointed IN him". IN HIM, not FOR HIM. Huge difference. Who is running the team over there? Read some place someone said something about Jim Harbough coming to coach the bears. I would be all in favor of that.
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I'd be in favor of that
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Does anyone really watch Cutler and think he's a top-10 QB? I'd take the following over him:
Brees, Rogers, Manning, Brady, Romo, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Luck, Wilson, Ryan, Flacco, and Eli Manning, with Foles, Smith, Kaepernick, Newton, and Stafford all possibilities as well. That's saying something because three starting QB's are rookies and RG3 is hurt and has never really gotten to expand on his rookie season.
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Well maybe it isn't a QB whisperer that Jay needs, it is a former Bears QB head coach. Harbough has made Kaepernik and Alex Smith both look pretty good. Whos to say???
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“We’ve got a great staff,” Trestman said. “In all three phases, we’ve got an excellent staff.
“We have everybody in position right here,” Trestman said.
“I told the team that yesterday — this is a hungry football team, they want to do it right, they’re doing things we’re asking them to do, but we’re not just being paid to play the game. We’re being paid to win them.
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I give up ???
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The thing about Harbough is he cant win the big one. Although he is pretty damn good about getting his team to the playoffs, which is something we cant even dream about. The more I think about this the more I really like the idea.
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“We’ve got a great staff,” Trestman said. “In all three phases, we’ve got an excellent staff.
“We have everybody in position right here,” Trestman said.
“I told the team that yesterday — this is a hungry football team, they want to do it right, they’re doing things we’re asking them to do, but we’re not just being paid to play the game. We’re being paid to win them.
That's some scary ****!!
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The thing about Harbough is he cant win the big one.
Well him and Jay should get along just fine..
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Oh god....He's got a knee...All the pieces are in place....Bad baad memories!
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000418766/article/bears-gm-were-a-35-team-and-jay-cutlers-a-35-qb
double talk,
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Yup double talk then you cover your backside and draft a QB high.
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The gloves have offically come off.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/30691636-606/bears-fans-deserve-better-than-this-clueless-crew.html#.VE-qUyLF-GE
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Very good. A lot of truth in that poetry.
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'Cutler Functions well from play to play'?? Huh, what's that mean, lol. 'Negate some of the negatives'? 'Leadership at a premium'?? I'd say! Being the richest player in the NFL and playing like a bottom feeder! Ridiculous....
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I read somewhere that Arians said Emery wanted him to keep some of the assistant coaches and he said NFW. So apparently Trestman said gee ok. Sigh.
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'Trestman is supposed to be the Quarterback Whisperer. He’s more like the Quarterback Dog Whistle That No One Can Hear.' ROFL!!!
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I'm not so sure Bear fans DESERVE anything...
If you aren't entertained by these professional entertainers - you should spend your time on something more enjoyable
Ultimate Surrender is quite entertaining - and it's free
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Ultimate Surrender....Bears.....isn't this the same thing???
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This offense was supposed to be high powered.. I love when the excuse is "you can't criticize Cutler and the O, we lost to a number 4 defense".. WTF? Seriously.. Or, "You can't compare Cutler to Rodgers, he's too good".. OK, whatever.. I guess one thing about it, gets bad enough, everyone will save precious time and find something else to do on Sundays.. QB whisperer my ass!!
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The D is another thing entirely.. Any idiot could see Tucker needed to go last season. Here we are, another season about to go down. God I hope the Bulls do something..
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Totally agree, Chif. Cutler is paid like Rodgers, probably more, and plays like Pee Wee herman out there! And it's unreal they're keeping Tucker. Yea, we all knew it was going to be a rough year, but not blowout games rough! Not with this 'high powered' offense we have! We've got, supposedly, the best wideout tandem in the league. We've got one of the best RB's in the league. We've got a offensive line that is probably Top 10 and certainly no worse than Rodgers, Brees or some of the other successful QB's lines are. And yet we get blown out, can't keep up. It's BS is right....
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(http://www.trbimg.com/img-544fa3ab/turbine/chi-photos-billboard-controversies-20140131-003/750/750x422)
We do, indeed.....
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That's pretty funny, and so true.
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Totally agree, Chif. Cutler is paid like Rodgers, probably more, and plays like Pee Wee herman out there! And it's unreal they're keeping Tucker. Yea, we all knew it was going to be a rough year, but not blowout games rough! Not with this 'high powered' offense we have! We've got, supposedly, the best wideout tandem in the league. We've got one of the best RB's in the league. We've got a offensive line that is probably Top 10 and certainly no worse than Rodgers, Brees or some of the other successful QB's lines are. And yet we get blown out, can't keep up. It's BS is right....
Logic much? That whole post was **** and complain about the offense and how we got blown out by surrendering 50+ points. Not one mention of the defense that allowed the points.
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The D is another thing entirely.. Any idiot could see Tucker needed to go last season. Here we are, another season about to go down. God I hope the Bulls do something..
I know Tucker is bad. He was bad other places he was at. But in his defense we haven't finished turning over the defense yet. Last year on offense we didn't turnover the whole team. We filled in around what we had. The defense is different. The whole defense needs to be turned over. We haven't completed that yet. It might even take another year or two to complete that. Plus Emery in his defensive fill-ins made some mistakes. That much is so obvious. Emery has his hands full come January.
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Emery better make serious changes on the D side of the ball. As bad as the O seems, the D isn't even in the same hemisphere..
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True we may need to churn the D talent, but lets give someone else a chance to coach it, ok?
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I wont miss Tucker, no question he needs to go. But we need someone else to weed the garbage out.
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See, the problem here...let's talk 'logic' for a moment...is we all...ALL...every one of us, knew the D wasn't going to be good. We knew there were still issues to be addressed (and I know you 'missed it', but I did mention Tucker in that post...), there were still 'pieces not in place'. BUT...and here's the 'logic' part...so follow along....we ALL thought the O was going to be lights out, man top 5 stuff!! Well, I wasn't sold entirely, but anyway....yea, OFFENSIVE POWERHOUSE, daa Bears!! RIGHT? Ok, where'd it go?....I mean....where did it go? We need some 'logic' here. The offense has pulled a Houdini and DISAPPEARED!
...maybe it's a Halloween prank? ABRA CADABRA 'POOF'....offense disappeared! (http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/pictures/2009/12/16/1260957295386/Magician-pulling-a-rabbit-001.jpg)
So yea...the hope was the offense would keep us in games, maybe win a few, prevent blowouts but not high scoring games because our D sucks....
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I read somewhere that Arians said Emery wanted him to keep some of the assistant coaches and he said NFW. So apparently Trestman said gee ok. Sigh.
I heard an interview with an Arizona writer who said point blank that the main reason why Arians declined was because Emery wanted him to keep Marinelli and a few Lovie leftovers...even though everybody and their mama figured there was less than 50% chance that a Lovie loyalist like Rod would stay. When that fell through, they decided to hire a lackey like Tucker and then tell him to maintain the previous system?!? What self respecting defensive coordinator would accept that? Arians WANTED to be coach for the Chicago Bears and that is on Emery and his lame ass miscalculation that keeping an obsolete defensive system taught by inexperienced coaches would be good for the team. Of course the injuries only compounded the situation because our number one complaint of the defense last year during the 3-0 start last year was the lack of a pass rush. So far, history is repeating itself.
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Sounds like exactly what I read. Makes me wonder about Emery if he is going to dictate who the asst coaches are...
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Injuries have been a big factor hurting the Bears this season.
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Same excuse for last season
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I suggested home issues as a reason for Cuttler's eratic behavior, maybe there is adequate logic to it.
Cavallari weight loss: Actress Kristin Cavallari steps out looking thin
October 29, 2014
7:37 AM MST
The Kristin Cavallari weight loss has everyone talking. It has been just five months since the actress and designer gave birth to her second son, and she stepped out looking fabulous. According to an Oct. 28 report from US Weekly, Kristin Cavallari showed off her incredible weight loss by wearing horizontal stripes which are generally a fashion disaster for women. Cavallari looked slim and fashionable while walking around in Los Angeles. If anyone knows about fashion and shoes, it is definitely Cavallari.
Many people recognize Kristin Cavallari from her role on “The Hills” a decade ago. The show is what got her name out there, but she is building her own career as a shoe designer. Cavallari is married to Chicago Bears player Jay Cutler. Together they have two sons, Camden and Jaxon. The boys are roughly two years apart and losing baby weight is never easy. For Cavallari, weight loss came by doing Pilates and eating clean.
Young women and teen girls look up to Kristin Cavallari as a fashion icon. Whether she is just walking down the street or headed to a party, Cavallari looks like she could be taking a turn down the runway. Between Chicago and Los Angeles, there is plenty of temperature difference to keep Cavallari busy with mixing and matching. Fans are impressed with Cavallari and the weight loss so quickly after the birth of Jaxon. Even though it wasn't as easy as it seemed, being dedicated to getting her body back helped Cavallari with the weight loss.
http://www.examiner.com/article/cavallari-weight-loss-actress-kristin-cavallari-steps-out-looking-thin
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If you look at his stats he really isn't much different now than any prior year. He is what he is. He hasn't changed but the fan perception has.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/9597/jay-cutler
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There was a guy at our high school football game who looked like he could be Jay's twin brother...
He was trying to start a conversation with anyone who would engage him...
Eventually he got the hint that he was creeping people out and left...
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Couple things, I speak for myself. I was looking for a high powered offense this season, with a rejuvenated QB. For some time (in the past) I found myself making excuses for bad throws, generally that the receiver did something wrong. I think it's starting to become evident that Cutler isn't going to get any better and it's darn frustrating to watch at times. I have no problem with the facts, and the facts are that the defense is terrible, but Cutler's turnovers have been at inopportune times (not that there could be a good time).
Looking at the stats, the glaring stats (to me) are, 2/3 the int. as all of last season and we are only half way through, and fumbles are more than all of last season and were only half way through. The turnovers are killing us. Yes, good QB's turn the ball over, but they come back the next time and make up for it. Cutler has the tools surrounding him on offense, there shouldn't be any excuses. No one is bitching about Forte 'cause he's been playing well, same would go for Jay. I'm pulling for Cutler, 'cause I know he has to play better for my team to win..
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I'm pulling for Cutler, 'cause I know he has to play better for my team to win..
Not true. We could just cut him and all the offensive problems would be solved. Just ask sporty.
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We shouldn't be having any issues at all at QB, after all Cutler is the hottest QB since John Elway, heck he even shows him up! He has the strongest arm ever, the best decision making ever, heck...he's even the best looking ever!! Just ask Wmljohn.....
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with all the weapons Cutler has, why is it our offense is not working right?....what is your take? Yes, we have stupid penalties. I think we go to those sideline routes way too much, and Cut throws dumpoffs when we're sitting at 3 and 12, 3 and 16.
the first pick in the draft should be one of the top QB's available. Having a top notch QB is the single most significant factor in a winning team.
all we need to go further than we are with Cutler is a QB that is solid, doesn't turn the ball over and makes plays. Said it time and again.....a big arm throwing int's is getting us nowhere....
Didn't we have more success in the playoffs and even get to a Super Bowl with our previous 'parade of failures'?!? I think folks are really mesmerized by Cutler. Strong arm, makes a few good throws, the media hypes him. But reality is a different animal altogether. I would rather have a guy who has a average arm, can see the field better, makes the right throws and avoids the wrong ones and wins games than someone who can throw a football through a brick wall......
I'd trade our 'suck for their "suck" anyday, lol!!! Let's make it happen....
We are totally screwed with this guy at QB.....
we need a new QB! Fking Tannehill way outplayed him today.....
McCown was better than him....fact..
And I'm gonna say it one more time...we're wasting our breath hoping Cut is going to take this team anywhere. We need to seriously consider drafting a QB in next years draft.
Your words. Not mine.
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Your words. Not mine.
You forget the one where he says that Cutler is the problem with our defense because he keeps them on the field too much
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We need to seriously consider drafting a QB in next years draft.
I said so earlier. I guess it depends on who says it.
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QB isn't the Bears biggest problem. But it is a problem.
Fix the Bears defense and ST. Maybe even get some help for the O-line. I don't see QB as even in our top 5 needs.
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That's a subject of differing opinions
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We need LBers, CB's, Safeties, O-line and D-line help. As well as a ton of ST help.
By all means draft a QB if you see a good one that provides value but we could get immediate help in other areas quicker through the draft and free agency.
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We need LBers, CB's, Safeties, O-line and D-line help. As well as a ton of ST help.
By all means draft a QB if you see a good one that provides value but we could get immediate help in other areas quicker through the draft and free agency.
Yep. LBer, CB's and safeties.. Yes, yes and yes. If Cutler and the O were playing better we'd have at least one more win. With that said, we all know we wouldn't get far with this sorry ass defense...
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Never said the D wasn't a problem. I've mentioned getting rid of Tucker several times, but the J cut trio never posts any of that...surprise surprise. And yea, doesn't surprise me that you're going to get your fur up because I'm nailing your boy, Cutty. Doesn't bother me in the least. Why? Because I know I'm right. More and more every week are realizing what I've been saying...this QB isn't taking us anywhere. That's alright if you don't agree, because I believe you will come to this realization sooner rather than later....most of you anyway. Some will still be sitting on his grave of unrealized potential waiting for a miracle and wearing their 'Cutty is King' jerseys. And if I'm wrong, I'll be the first here with the acknowledgement of such. But I don't believe I am.
And, once again for the hard of hearing....Tucker needs to go....
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SPorty...you should quit moving the goalposts. The "J cut trio" as you call it has simply been saying that there are bigger problems than Cutler while you place the nearly all the blame on Cutler. I did a search and you have been ragging on him for over 2 years. YOu only mentioned Tucker after you started getting heat about blaming it all on Cutler. Weren't you also one of the ones wanting Cowher as the new Coach before we hired Trestman? Apparently Cowher is more in the "J cut trio" trio camp than yours. He thinks Jay is flawed in forcing throws which we all agree on but says that he is not the biggest problem...again what most of us besides you have been saying. The Tribune won't let me post the article but Griz posted it over on the 2014 Chicago bears thread and this is Cowhers and Louis Riddicks view. Maybe you should change your insult to the "j cut quintet'?
Riddick shared his thoughts about them in a recent phone interview, and former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher offered his perspective Tuesday on a teleconference involving several Thursday Night Football analysts from CBS and NFL Network.
“With Jay, they want him to be…the deodorant for everything else that’s wrong, and he’s just not,” Riddick said. “That’s what falls back on you as a team builder. You’ve got to make it all smell better by your ability to build it right and the coaches’ ability to adapt and make up the difference.
"It’ll be a total organizational collapse if it doesn’t turn out, and if they pull out of it, it’s going to because everyone pulls their weight.”
Cowher’s first focus was a defense the Patriots left in ruins. Yes, the unit has improved in several categories. Its yards allowed per play is down from a league-worst 6.2 in 2013 to 6.0 (25th in NFL) through eight games. But those strides seemed more insignificant with each touchdown the Patriots scored.
“That wasn’t Jay Cutler playing defense,” Cowher said. “That wasn’t him trying to cover a tackle and do those things. I still think he’s a good quarterback. I think he does have leadership -- it's not one of his strong suits. But at the same time, you can win with him, but he needs to have a better defense around him that gives that team a chance. They can’t rely on him not to keep throwing the ball like he does because he does get careless at times.”
Riddick was sharper and more specific with his critique.
“It’s easy to say, well, the reason why in Chicago we won’t win any Super Bowls is because of Jay Cutler,” he said. “That’s not true, either. Their defense is horrific. They’re not going to win any Super Bowls with that defense. I can tell you that.
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Whatever Keys...you know damn well there have been MANY articles skewering Cutler but you're boy can do no wrong in your eyes. He IS a huge problem! Cowher isn't saying he's not, he's dancing and that's all he's doing. Bring him here, Cutler lasts one more season, that's it! Cowher won't put up with his BS play, that I can tell you and yes I want him here. Cowher would turn this whole **** pile around right quick! And if Cutler ain't producing, he'd ditch his azz!! And BS on not saying the D was a problem. I've been saying that the whole damned time. I said it was asinine they didn't acquire a safety in the draft. I cut on Conte constantly. You can go ahead and stay on the Cutler bandwagon while the rest of the nation jumps off, fine with me. I'm telling you now, he's a bust......write this down somewhere.
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Geez ...nobody here is saying that Cutler is not A problem...I am saying (along with Cowher) he is not THE problem. You're still pissed that he left a game with a torn MCL and can't see past your rage
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Here's just a few posts from the end of last season. Tucker was a shaky choice to begin with, we all knew it. WTH this team was thinking hiring him to begin with with his track record is beyond me. With new guys shuffling in/out and draft choices trying to take hold, getting a guy with a mediocre record for a Coord was not a wise choice....
Archives / Re: Game Day 2013
« on: December 29, 2013, 08:26:46 pm »
And put me on the decidedly unconvinced 'we'll be 'dominant' next season' side. We're not even sure who's gonna be QB! And there are major holes all over the D side that will take a real miracle to fill in one off season. They need to make major moves that make sense...key sentence...along with acquiring a capable D coord before I'll even begin to say we'll do this or that.....until further notice, this is a solid 8-8 club, nothing more, nothing less.....
Archives / Re: Game Day 2013
« on: December 29, 2013, 08:24:10 pm »
Well, after letting myself cool down for a bit I'm still rather hot. Anyone else tired of seeing the Packers beat us in meaningful games at home?? I sure as hell am!! Conte better f'ing have his locker cleaned out and be on the road to wherever right this minute. That last fked up play was his responsibility and he, once again, blew it. I don't want to see him on this team, don't want to hear that suckers name ever again. Pepper's can be right behind him. Had he gotten ANY pressure on that last drive on Rodgers, we may very well be looking at a game next weekend. Instead, he f'ing blows coverage and contain, let's a f'ing FB come from the OTHER side and block him! He's so f'ing gone it's ridiculous. Him and Conte have been two real screw-ups this entire season. Wastes of space. Cutler just doesn't have it in the big games. He made some plays but left some out there as well. This loss wasn't on him. As usual, it's the D that fks it up. Tucker has to be gone. Any doubters?? Seriously? His D was a POS and that is being nice. This one will take awhile to get over.....nothing but cold weather and work to look forward to now....
Chicago Bears Forum / Re: 2014 NFL Draft
« on: December 30, 2013, 12:46:50 pm »
We've just been ridiculous trying to get quality safety help. The ONE guy that made any difference (Brownie) ends up getting hurt and shortens his career. Just figures with us.....we desperately need some quality back there, but the DL has to come first. Has to. If they get pressure on the QB, that will help our production in the backfield, so it's more important to get the best DL we can. But it all won't matter if Tucker is back. He's left such a incredibly sour taste in the mouth that he has to be gone. Worst Bears D ever? Seriously?!? Yea, FIRE him! NOW! I want a head on a stick, today!!!!!!! Someone must pay for the last two fricking weeks. Two chances, two flops....pathetic!
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My biggest beef with Cutler is his attitude. He has that 'oh well, we lost, who cares' attitude. That's why when he makes a bad pass, or tosses one into the dirt, he doesn't appear concerned. It's 'hey, whatever'.....I absolutely hate that....I do not like the guy, there's no questioning that, at all....none....
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I am off the Cutler band wagon, but I just wonder if his Oline was giving him protection, and he wasn't getting hit, if he would cut down on the turn overs. How many QBs have shredded the Bears this year, all because their jerseys are totally clean at the end of the day? The problem is Cutler doesn't have great pocket presence, and when he gets jittery his decision making goes to ****. Or when he feels the pressure that he has to lead the team back from a deficit. And since he touches the ball every snap, he logically gets the blame.
But the fact that the D is so horrific at stopping ANYONE cant be overlooked. We were supposed to be built for shoot outs and high scoring, but that hasn't happened this year.
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Cutler has fallen to 18th from 15th in mid season QB ratings....per NFL.com
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Cutler is a HUGE problem.
PROTECT the football!!! It's rule #1 at my kids high school football team - and they happen to be #1 in the state of Illinois - Stevenson High School. 9 amd 0 - they do not turn the football over and they create tons of turnovers.
Cutler needs to take a sack or throw the ball away. He continues to throw into double coverage. He forces throws to Marshall. He fumbles a lot. He needs to run more as DBs focus on coverage.
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You can't win big games without "The Man".
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True but you can't win very many games at all with no defense. Fix the biggest problem then work on the others.
Hell by the time this defense is fixed Cutlers contract may be up. Problem solved...
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On the other hand the Packs D has been kind of iffy, but they have Rodgers. Just saying....
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You can't count on having a HOF QB. Packers have gotten a gift from god having two in a row. Well unless someone sold their soul.
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Will we lose at G.B. ? Probably ... but HOW do we lose at G.B. ?
DO we get our asses handed to us at Lamblow or do we walk with pride?
The determination of what a TEAM is is coming up.
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Hell by the time this defense is fixed Cutlers contract may be up. Problem solved...
You're probably right. But it makes you wonder how many of the problems on D are the result of Tucker? We've heard more than one player state they're doing what they're told, basically. And we've seen time and again zone D is not working on the top QB's we're playing. Some of the problems are scheme I believe....
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You can't count on having a HOF QB. Packers have gotten a gift from god having two in a row. Well unless someone sold their soul.
Not me! :-)
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Tucker is a big part of the problem. But hell even bad coaches can coach talent. We just don't have enough talent at safety or LBer that is healthy. We are pretty weak at corner also due to injury.
The D-line is better but not by a whole lot.
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And what injury does Tim Jennings have? He has zero ints this year, and we gave him a pretty good contract. Did he all of a sudden forget how to play?
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Yea there are very few playing at or above their pay grade. Allen, way below. Houston, off the charts below. Briggs, below. Jennings, way below. Conte, hurt and at times above where he was last season but still has bad brain farts. McClellin, way below. Peanut, hurt. Anderson, below. Bostic, little above. Ratliff, unsure, about average. Pea, above a bit. And the one shining star of the D so far outside Fuller who is equally impactful is Young. So basically we have two impact players, one of who is now hurt and the rest are below average or thereabouts. What a mess!! We need top draft picks on this D so bad....
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Some pleasant info on a former Bear, Melton.....had two sacks with Dallas last week and so far this week has another. Don't know how many for the season but that's some solid production we sure as heck could use.....
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Watching Boys and Cardies and man, do the boys have a horribad backup QB! It just doesn't make a lick of sense in this NFL league that some of these teams cannot find a decent QB. Are the colleges doing a horrible job of preparing these kids for the NFL? I just do not understand it. There's plenty of terrible or below average QB play in this league and for what these guys make and supposedly the 'talent' they have, it's really inexcusable. Embarrassing, really. Either they refuse to pay for a decent backup or they're not giving these guys nearly enough practice time.....something ain't right, that's for sure.
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Watching the Patriots/Broncos game. The Pats and Broncos both have pretty good defenses. 13-7 currently middle of the second half.
Also the Dolphins spanked the Chargers today 37-0. The Bears are a bad team but they got beat by two good teams the last two weeks.
Tannenhill threw for 3 TD's today, 288 yds and ran for 47 more. It looks like he has found his groove.
Bears will score some points against the Packers next week but it won't be enough. I don't see our terrible defense stopping the Packers all day.
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It's like 28 to 7 now at half....Pats are pounding the Broncs.
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Looking like the Pat's are just that good.. I for sure don't like the Pat's or Tom Brady..
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AMEN.
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Those same Chargers that shocked the Seahawks and their 12th MAN?
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The Chargers have injuries but better players than the Bears on defense and they are having the same problems against the Dolphins the Bears had.
The coach Philbin looked like he may be fired over that offensive lineman fiasco last year and now he has really turned that team around.
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No more "bullying" in the locker room?
Wonder if the Bears have any bullies in the locker room
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I was thinking yesterday how Brandon Marshall hasn't been all that this year, and thinking if the ankle is still a problem, then it dawned on me that idiot is flying to NY or wherever every Tue to do that stupid TV show. I mean come on man, put the team first.
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Is Marquise Wilson going to be active vs the Pack?
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Alshon has had about the same numbers..
Unless the Lamblow advantage comes into play, I look for Green Bay to get waxed by the scum Brady..
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Someone better talk Dallas off the ledge, he hasn't been around since the Patriot drubbing..
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haha, he has probably taken up crying in his beer because the his playoff bandwagon is broken.
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Never had a playoff wagon...knew better......
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Maybe you didn't but Dallas did.
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Trestman: "Everyone practiced today except Darryl Sharpton. He has a ham."
It's Wanny all over again.
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Trestman: "Everyone practiced today except Darryl Sharpton. He has a ham."
It's Wanny all over again.
JBN,
Have Sailorgirl stop by for a visit ... we need a morale boost.
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State of the Bears: Trestman's job security tenuous; lack of leadership
November 2, 2014 9:22 am ET
Marc Trestman is 11-13 in his tenure as Bears coach. (USATSI)
The Bears are in a state of crisis, according to several sources with knowledge of the locker room, with a leadership void further fueling their downward spiral. Players are tuning coach Marc Trestman out, according to numerous sources, there has been increased in-fighting in recent weeks and the team's dedication has been called in to question at times by players and coaches alike, sources said.
Numerous sources pointed to lack of leadership and accountability as key factors in the team's awful first half after expectations of a possible Super Bowl, and if anything the situation has gotten worse in recent weeks. After a humiliating defeat at New England last week, in which the Bears trailed 38-7 at halftime, several member of the organization feared for Trestman's job, sources said, and later in the week ownership ended up putting out a vote of confidence for Tretsman and general manager Phil Emery. The GM chose Trestman over Bruce Arians, who has become a perennial Coach of the Year candidate in Arizona.
The construction of the team has also come under criticism, particularly after signing embattled quarterback Jay Cutler to an $18 million-a-season extension after last season, and Cutler's ability to lead and galvanize a team has continued to come under question inside the Bears locker room. Longtime leaders like Brian Urlacher are gone, and veterans like Lance Briggs and Charles Tillman have been hurt almost all season, mitigating their ability to assuage the situation.
Trestman, a bright offensive mind who was hired away from Montreal of the Canadian Football League, has resonated with players more like a coordinator than a head coach, sources said, and that dynamic coupled with the issues in the locker room has created a toxic environment. At 3-5 the Bears face an uphill climb to reach the playoffs and tensions could remain high there for the duration of the season.
There remains a lack of top personnel on the defensive side of the football, with many of the team's assets sunk into a spiraling offense that has suffered from infighting. Chicago is on its bye this week and play at the Packers in Week 10.
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'expectations of a possible Super Bowl', LOL!!! Hilarious.....put down the margaritas and back away....
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I see NE hung another 40+ on Denver....
Only if Manning could have kept his offense on the field...
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Hey, there he is! Man you're slow this morning...I was expecting this yesterday
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The talking heads were ready to retire Tom Brady after the first 3 weeks of the season...
Fickle fans
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NE has really been blessed to have him as their QB. He is simply unreal. With him you are never out of any game and he can take over a game by himself and dominate. Cannot imagine going as long as they have with that incredible home winning record they've had....just phenomenal...those fans have no clue how good they've had it with Belichick and Brady there.
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What do you guys think about that article? If it's only half true it explains a lot. Why the Bears are so off this year....no leadership...Trestman over his head and has lost the team. **** great....expect they will get blown out again in a Green Bay.
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I think we need Cowher.....make him GM and Head Coach and watch this team turn around....
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I think we need Cowher.....make him GM and Head Coach and watch this team turn around....
Like Joe Gibbs? No...he's been out of the game too long.
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My first pick is Harbough. No screwing around, knows how to get O going and make the playoffs.
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I mentioned a while back that there is no leadership on this team. I'm not surprised to see an article written saying just that. Any time a team is as dysfunctional as this one, one of the the first things that everyone questions is leadership. This team not only lacks leadership from the coaches, but it also lacks from players. Look at Briggs, he should be the leader on defense but he's not on the field long enough to establish himself as a leader (I think he lacks that quality anyway). I think Cutler lacks that quality as well, I think he's a good teammate (contrary to popular belief), just lacking in other areas.
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My first pick is Harbough. No screwing around, knows how to get O going and make the playoffs.
John maybe. Jim is too nuts. He has lost the 49ers. Look at them now. Not such a great team anymore.
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I would take Jim in a second. Yeah he has gone nutso, but look at his track record. Heck he made Alex Smith look great and got the most out of Kaepernik.
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How come we cant win at home ?
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He ... got the most out of Kaepernik.
If that is all he can get out of Kapernik it's sad. That kid is still young and he is regressing....
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Not that it will really matter, but:
Aaron Rodgers is fine after tweaking his hamstring, but the Packers were without both of their starting guards at Wednesday’s practice.
Josh Sitton joined T.J. Lang, who left the team’s last game in Week Eight with an ankle injury, on the sideline as the team started their week of preparations for their Sunday night matchup with the Bears. Coach Mike McCarthy revealed that Sitton suffered a “big” injury to his toe in that game and said that the Packers are still figuring out what the interior of their offensive line will look like against Chicago.
“It’s an opportunity for a number of people. That’s the way we practiced today,” McCarthy said, via the Green Bay Press-Gazette. “We had a series of guys rotating through there. Hopefully, we’ll get more information on T.J. and Josh tomorrow.”
The Packers have J.C. Tretter available as an option after activating him from injured reserve and Lane Taylor stepped in for Lang against New Orleans. Taylor didn’t play all that well once he was forced into action, but the Packers may not have much choice if both Sitton and Lang miss the game.
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Somehow, someway this will turn out to be more reason that the Bears get spanked..
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Shepkowski: History Is Against Marc Trestman
By Nick Shepkowski-
(CBS) It wasn’t supposed to be this way. The Bears had extended the contract of their franchise quarterback, added seemingly capable bodies on the weak defensive line and undoubtedly closed the talent gap between themselves and the Green Bay Packers. Heck, the team was coming off of an 8-8 season that saw their franchise quarterback sidelined for parts of six contests.
But in case you’ve been living under a rock, 2014 hasn’t exactly gone according to plan in Chicago.
The Bears are 3-5 and unless Aaron Rodgers again breaks his collarbone, they figure to be be 3-6 by 10:30 p.m. or so Sunday. After that, two dates with the first-place Lions are still to come, as are contests against the Cowboys and Saints. The safe bet would be that it gets worse before it gets any better. With a horrendous record — say 6-10 — plenty will call for coach Marc Trestman to lose his job. Heck, plenty already have.
But how much can we take away from a coach’s first two seasons with a head NFL job?
Plenty.
That’s if winning a Super Bowl is your goal, like Bears management claims it to be. Even if it means just getting to the big game, the Bears are in awful shape.
The last 14 Super Bowls have featured 21 different head coaches. Of those, Bill Belichick has gone five times, while Mike Tomlin, John Fox and Tom Coughlin have all gone twice. What do all 21 of these coaches have in common?
All 21 led their teams to the playoffs at least once in their first two years.
Some inherited great situations, like Jon Gruden with Tampa Bay and Bill Callahan in Oakland, when both first-year coaches reached Super Bowl XXXVII. Jim Caldwell also took the Colts to Super Bowl XLIV his first season in charge.
Others had strong opening campaigns despite not quite getting to the big game.
John Harbaugh in Baltimore and Jim Harbaugh in San Francisco both reached the conference championship game in their first seasons, as did Sean Payton his first year in New Orleans. Pete Carroll’s 7-9 record was nothing remarkable in his first year, but a win in Week 17 — something Marc Trestman couldn’t lock down in 2013 — sent his Seahawks to the postseason, where they went on to even win a game.
Eventual Super Bowl champion coaches Mike Tomlin, Tony Dungy and Bill Cowher also guided their teams to the playoffs in the first year, despite not advancing in the playoffs. Jim Fassel also had a quick initial turnaround with the Giants, going 10-5-1 before a first-round exit his first year.
John Fox guided the 2011 Broncos, a team quarterbacked by Tim Tebow, to a playoff victory in in the wild-card round in his first year in Denver, after it took him just two years to get to the postseason (and within seconds of reaching overtime in Super Bowl XXXVIII) with Carolina.
Others’ success didn’t come quite as fast, but by the second year the turnaround was obvious.
Bill Belichick, that guy who gets as much credit for the Patriots dynasty as Tom Brady, was just 5-11 his first season in New England. He followed it up with a Super Bowl champion the following season.
Bears fans likely recall the tough times of Lovie Smith’s first fall in Chicago, a 5-11 campaign in 2004. Smith had the Bears hosting a divisional playoff game (which they lost) in the next year. Andy Reid also lost in the divisional round his second year in Philadelphia after a 5-11 opening campaign. In Arizona, Ken Whisenhunt started slow at 8-8 in his first year, then followed it with a Super Bowl appearance.
Tom Coughlin, who had previously guided the Jaguars to the AFC Championship game in their second year of existence, also guided the Giants to the postseason in his second year in charge. Mike Holmgren twice went 9-7 his first year as a head coach and twice missed the playoffs, once in Green Bay and once in Seattle. He wound up making the playoffs at both stops in year two and eventually led both to Super Bowl appearances (winning one in Green Bay).
Mike Martz won 10 games in his first year with the Rams but failed to make the playoffs, something he did his second year in St. Louis, guiding it to a Super Bowl XXXVI appearance. Brian Billick guided one of the league’s greatest all-time defenses in the 2000 Ravens to a Super Bowl in his second year at the helm.
And finally, because it’s Bears-Packers week, why not look at what happened the last time Green Bay hired a head coach?
In 2006, Mike McCarthy’s Packers went the same 8-8 that Trestman went in his first year in charge and watched the playoffs from his couch.
A year later, he didn’t start the year at 3-5, however. McCarthy and the 2007 Packers instead went 13-3 and hosted the NFC Championship game.
Is it possible for Trestman to still be successful as a Bears coach? Sure.
Dick Vermeil won Super Bowl XXXIV in his third year with the Rams despite going just 9-23 in his first two seasons combined.
But that was 15 years ago — technically last century. It’s a different game now.
Based on what has happened since and on the near-nothing that Trestman’s done with a talent-loaded roster this year, history gives me no choice but to think it won’t be this coach who turns around this Bears team.
Nick Shepkowski is a weekend host at 670 The Score and produces The Spiegel and Mannelly Show each weekday from 9 a.m.-1 p.m. You can find all of his work here and follow him on Twitter @Shep670.
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Why must it be this team that keeps circling the drain??? They can't get it right! Heck even the Loins are turning things around! Us? We're sitting and spinning, with a 'supposed' franchise QB, top flight wideouts and one of the best RB's in the game. We can't even get into a scoring fest! Our D sucks, yes, but our O was supposed to be putting points on the board in furious fashion. Well, that's not happening and our QB is in the bottom half of the league.
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Emma: Packers Always Know Who’s In Charge
By Chris Emma-
GREEN BAY, Wis. (CBS) — Go inside the Packers’ locker room, and you find how vastly different it is from the Bears’ home. It’s a large circle, not a cramped rectangle, allowing for plenty of space. It’s comfortable and conveniently located.
But the more important contrast is in atmosphere. There’s no tension or infighting like at Halas Hall. It’s clear who the leaders are, starting with coach Mike McCarthy.
“We know who’s in charge,” Packers running back Eddie Lacey said.
The Bears don’t. Authority is lacking in Lake Forest, where Chicago’s season is spiraling out of control at 3-5. A recent report suggested Bears coach Marc Trestman’s job is in jeopardy, largely because he seems to have lost the team. Brandon Marshall has yelled at teammates, Lance Briggs prioritized his restaurant opening over practice and Lamarr Houston tore his ACL celebrating a sack while his team was getting blown out.
All of these problems seem more distant than the two-game lead Green Bay (5-3) has over Chicago (3-5) in the NFC North standings as the squads ready to meet again Sunday night at Lambeau Field. Problems are few and far between for the Packers’ tight-knit locker room. McCarthy need not worry about “growing the man,” as is Trestman’s constant concentration. The Packers are already grown men.
“The biggest part of that comes from the players,” McCarthy said of the team chemistry. “We have a leadership council, we have strong veteran leadership on this team. I think that’s part of the head coach’s responsibility, to keep your finger on the pulse on the team.”
Outside of the challenges the next for presents in any given week, there’s little to worry about for the Packers. When they started the season 1-2, star quarterback Aaron Rodgers went on a Wisconsin radio station and said, “R-E-L-A-X. Relax.” He was speaking to the fans. He wasn’t speaking to teammates, because nothing needed to be said.
Green Bay’s culture stems from a tradition of titles, entrusted in its coach. That is passed down through the players, held accountable to carry on the winning ways.
“He sets the foundation for this football team,” Rodgers said of McCarthy.
On the contrary, Trestman’s attempts to lead have failed in Chicago to this point. He wrote a book entitled “Perseverance: Life Lessons on Leadership and Teamwork,” yet managed to lose the players he worked to win over here. Trestman has worked to build camaraderie with minor techniques, from rotating team captains each week to moving players’ locker locations so they can build relationships.
The Packers don’t over-analyze leadership the way their rivals do. It’s just not needed with a healthy environment.
“Anybody can be a leader at any point,” Packers rookie receiver Davante Adams said. “It’s not just the top guys. Anyone can step up, and the leaders are respectful of others trying to be a leader.”
Veteran players like Rodgers are looked to by young teammates as the example. The Pro Bowl quarterback sets the tone for the team — in contrast to the Bears, where quarterback Jay Cutler is inconsistent with his play and not outgoing with his personality.
Rookies in Green Bay recognize immediately how Green Bay’s hierarchy functions. There was no question of who’s in charge.
“Being in the locker room, it’s a really chill-type environment,” Adams said. “It’s not like people are yelling at each other, saying this because they’re in a certain part of their career.”
Added center Corey Linsley: “Nobody in here is a complete jerk. Nobody in here is putting you down, making you feel like crap.”
Part of the Bears’ problem is that they’re a losing football team, lost in finding their way out of the hole. To what extent toxic chemistry and poor play intermix is a mystery, but they seem to function as one.
The Packers are a team playing strong football, poised for another playoff run, whereas the Bears are on the brink of disaster with another loss. Winning cures all, and it seems to come naturally in Green Bay.
“Everyone knows what we’re about,” Green Bay receiver Jordy Nelson said. “We’re going to work extremely hard when we’re on the field, we’re going to have fun when we’re off the field.”
Green Bay has authority at head coach and players to create a positive culture, while Chicago has a coach who has lost control of egos out for themselves.
It’s why the Packers have found their winning ways, and the Bears are on a wayward path.
Follow Chris on Twitter @CEmma670.
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The only way these articles stop are by winning this weekend. Do I think they can? No **** way!
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The only way these articles stop are by winning this weekend. Do I think they can? No **** way!
It could happen.
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And maybe JC himself will come knocking on my door.. You know, just to say "hey"
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Team on both sides of the ball is completely listless. You can see it on tv. sleepwalking. zero "we want to win". Something or someone has
pumped it out of them. Tresteman and staff look more and more like residences of weeny city, the clueless district.
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And maybe JC himself will come knocking on my door.. You know, just to say "hey"
He did it at my door , we sat down and chatted , had a few brews ,
ordered out for pizza , he picked up the tab.
His comments on Briggs I will keep to myself. ;)
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I'm with Chif and I've got a terrible feeling this is going to be one horrible game, one for the records bad. Just can't shake that feeling and I feel this will be the game that will turn many who think Cutler is the answer here into picking up the pitchfork and torches and heading towards Halas for his head. The way everything is collapsing in and around this team, it's just being setup for a epic fail of the ages.....
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I see Briggs proclaiming this to be his last season with the Bears. He's been a solid LB'er for us but ever since Urlacher's been gone he sure hasn't been much.. Bye bye!
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I truely hate to have to remind people that I have already brought that subject to light over at the draft thread but Briggs is on fumes and LB is clearly either the 1st or 2nd greatest need come April/May
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Need the "Urlacher replacement" a player in the middle of the defense who is a better than good player to be a leader on the field and off.
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I don't normally listen to sports talk radio unless I happen to be traveling somewhere in the car, so to repeat this is sort of a rarity, but yesterday I caught some of Boers and Bernstein on the Score. Well they were babbling a bit and I was getting ticked.The argument was whether the Bears problem was the coaching or the talent. IMHO its the talent. Then a caller called in and sorta ended the conversation PROPERLY. He sounded like a Packer fan, maybe Packrat, but he brought up the system used by Ron Wolfe of the Pack. After talking about his evaluating the system used, a grading system, the caller went on to evaluate the current Bears players using that system. From that you could see clearly the Bears have no talent. The highest ranked talent on the offensive side of the ball was Kyle Long. Jay Cuttler was a 2 or 3. On the defensive side the best/highest ranked was the rookie CB. Guess what.....he's right. We have no talent. Its hard to coach up chicken **** and hope to get fried chicken.
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Talent is there on offense - but they have to play smart - and the coaches should have a major role in that
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Exactly, the offensive side of the ball has talent. It's not as if Cutler is some bum, he is adequate (not great but at least adequate). There is no reason this offense isn't playing better. Well, except for one, coaching..
Defensive side of the ball has players on the line, I think it's the scheme. Of course part of the problem is, opposing QB's are unloading the ball quickly. Anyone notice how quickly Brady was getting rid of the ball? Everything behind the line is a mess (the line isn't great either but better than the LB'ers for sure). Get a good defensive coach in here and you would see an immediate upgrade.. Not arguing about needing better players, but get rid of Tucker too..
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quote from Briggs
“Sometimes I’m sitting in meetings while coach is talking and sometimes the words just kind of phase out and I’m just staring at the screen. The only thing I can tell is the time. I can see the time, and it’s like, damn, 55 minutes left.’’
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chifaninva - I was going to post that. Here is the link.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/11/06/the-bernstein-brief-briggs-admission-unfortunate-revealing/
Briggs is supposed to be a vetern leader and showing the way - yet we get this. This is a direct slam at Mel Tucker as Briggs does not even care. Briggs on MANY plays (when he actually played) has missed his gap - on purpose - he doesn't care.
How in the world does Mel Tucker keep his job? I've hear multiple Bears say on big plays that "I didn't what defense we were supposed to be in".
Mel Tuckers defense doens't work and the players know it.
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No question Tucker needs to go, but on the same hand Briggs needs to sit and/or go too. If you had an employee who was watching the clock all day instead of working you wouldn't continue to employ that person....
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Agreed. yet...Trestman and Tucker will play him...and all Briggs will do is try and make the big play and miss his gap....you will see this Sunday night.
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I think you suspend Briggs at least one game for saying that. Just completely contrary to what a leader on a winning NFL club would say...
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No way Mr Kumbaya suspends anyone. Might hurt their feelings.
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Think about all the money Briggs is being paid, the fans he has let down....he can't stay awake in a meeting? He should be fired up to play.
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Once they eliminated caffeine, amphetamines, and **** at team meetings,
you could see this team heading downhill ...
just ask Alex Rodriguez when they did that to his team. ;)
Yes .. it is a JOKE until proven otherwise by CHICAGO BEARS!
Ball's on your end of the field motherfuckers ... what are you going to DO with it?
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Jay Cutler's record of 1-9 vs the Packers is the second worst since the merger against a single opponent. If they lose this Sunday, he will be tied for first.....nice, huh....
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Jay Cutler's record of 1-9 vs the Packers is the second worst since the merger against a single opponent. If they lose this Sunday, he will be tied for first.....nice, huh....
Sporty that's why we need a suicidal effort of "I don't care anymore" from our team.
Go to Lamblow and play lights out football ...
we are going to lose but make them pay for it !
Lets at least walk of the field like we did something to them.
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Jay Cutler's record of 1-9 vs the Packers is the second worst since the merger against a single opponent. If they lose this Sunday, he will be tied for first.....nice, huh....
Sporty - I think this is where you get yourself in the arguments. Does Cutler play special teams and defense? Did he let Cobb run by him in the finale when we had the lead late in the game. To say that Cutler's record and not the Bears record against the Packers appears arbitrary. What is Tillman's record against the Packers? Forte's? Etc...
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Let me guess...
Over the last 10 games 1-9?
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Lets at least walk of the field like we did something to them.
At least something better than sleepwalk through the game.
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Lets at least walk of the field like we did something to them.
At least something better than sleepwalk through the game.
Fuckin Aye baby !
CHICAGO BEARS !!
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Sorry, Grizz, those exact words came from ESPN. And I couldn't agree with em more.... Ya wanna know who beat the Packers last season? Josh McCown, that's who! 272 yards, 2 TD's and no int's so don't give me this nonsense it ain't Cutler's game!! He OWNS that record and it's one of futility!
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Dumb...
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Wasn't that the game where Rodgers got hurt and couldn't finish the game?
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Yep, Shae's one play of fame..
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Are you kidding? That tackle was clearly made by McCown. Damn it...HE won that game. He's Superman...except in Tampa
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Well, and everywhere else outside of a 6 week stretch last season...
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Pack - 41
bears - 16
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Huge game. Do the Bears cash it in, or do they show that nation they can play. I'm thinking Tucker isn't near creative enough to slow Rodgers down. Our Offense (on paper) should be able to play with anyone, especially a not so great Packers D.
The fan in me says we have a chance. The realist in me says we get spanked..
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Are you kidding? That tackle was clearly made by McCown. Damn it...HE won that game. He's Superman...except in Tampa
LMAO!!! So you're saying your boy Cutler would've done a hell of a lot better than McCown if he was in Tampa? Cutler has way more better players and weapons here in Chicago than McCown does with the Bucs and Jay still stinks but of course there's always the excuses.
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You're stirring up the Jcut trio, Phil......heads up for some scathing sarcasm sure to follow....
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I'm with ya, Chif. Want soo bad for us to spank the crap outta Green Gay but there's so little chance that happens. Going to record it and decide later if I'm watching.....weathers nice anyway so got a lot to do outside before snow hits this week. They're saying some possible lake effect this week later on....friggin great.
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Snow? For God's sake, cash it in, come on down. Leave the snow blower.
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LMAO!!! So you're saying your boy Cutler would've done a hell of a lot better than McCown if he was in Tampa? Cutler has way more better players and weapons here in Chicago than McCown does with the Bucs and Jay still stinks but of course there's always the excuses.
Started Kaepernick in FFL ... 13 points.
McCown on the bench ... 27 points.
LETS GO CHICAGO BEARS !! DIE TRYING !!!
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So the Lions have that everything going there way season. I wont mind a loss, the rest of the way, draft pick on my mind. The curse of the 8-8 draft pick sucks.
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Would be a semi salvage of a season to whip the Pakers and then flail the rest of the way to a top draft pick. I guess I'd be ok with that, but to fail the rest of the way out with tonight being another blowout loss, things have to change on this team and drastically.... I've just got this gut feeling Cutler is going to fail miserably tonight. Two picks and a fumble and a QB rating of <60.
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The odds of Bad Jay showing up tonight are pretty good. Beating the Pack and losing the rest of our games would be ok, but whatever gets us the best pick, AND the most changes in the coaching staff is what I am hoping for.
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Bears rebound, as always, depends on Jay Cutler
By Rich Campbell
Behind all the questions about the Bears' leadership halfway through a disappointing season, there's a possibility the key to turning it around sits in the pocket of quarterback Jay Cutler, not coach Marc Trestman..
After all, Cutler's 12 turnovers are a big reason why the Bears (3-5) need a victory Sunday night against the Packers in Green Bay to maintain a realistic hope of making the playoffs. And given how dependent game results are on quarterback play, this is among Cutler's greatest opportunities to assert himself as a beacon.
So how much of the burden does he assume for turning the season around?
"Quite a bit, quite a bit," Cutler said Thursday. "All quarterbacks put a lot of pressure on themselves, look at themselves as leaders of the team and energize guys throughout the week and get everyone Sunday ready to play."
Cutler was relaxed after practice when he spoke publicly for the first time since the 51-23 loss to the Patriots on Oct. 26. He shook a bottle of green juice and drank a swig before openly contemplating his role in reversing the Bears' season on the brink.
He was the last of the team's top three figures to speak on the matter. Trestman has said all there is to say ahead of Sunday game, and general manager Phil Emery publicized his assessment on Oct. 27.
That day, Emery said Cutler, a ninth-year NFL veteran, must break habits that linger from his college days, when he was the best player on his team.
"Coming out of Vanderbilt, some of his things from a technical standpoint were concerning, in terms of coming off the back foot, protecting the football — and a lot of that revolves around trying to make plays," Emery said then. "And Jay, like a lot of players in that position, has a little bit of a gun-slinger personality in terms of, 'I want to be the guy making the plays.' He trusts his arm. Those are habits. Habits are hard to improve."
Cutler, who said he hadn't heard Emery's evaluation before Thursday, awarded it merit.
"That's fair, absolutely," he said. "The system is more geared toward staying in rhythm, playing clean football, and if we have to punt, we have to punt. In years past, we've been in situations where a couple of guys have to make plays or we're not going to move the ball offensively.
"It's a work in progress. We're still cleaning some stuff up. We're still making some mistakes, but we're definitely headed in that direction."
Time is running out, though, in 2014. Progress must be evident against the Packers, who intercepted Cutler twice in the second half in Week 4.
The Bears credited the first to cornerback Tramon Williams' unexpected positioning. Receiver Brandon Marshall ran the wrong route on the second, Trestman said then. Those turnovers turned a close game into a 38-17 defeat.
That second interception highlights a challenging reality Trestman emphasized Thursday: Cutler's teammates need Cutler, just as he needs them.
"Your quarterback is always a significant person to do that because he handles the ball on every play … but I don't think he's the only one," Trestman said. "We want to do it together. We do it as coaches. We want to do it as a complete team. Everybody has a say in this thing. Everybody does. Our guys understand that.
"But certainly Jay is a big part of that. He's a team leader. He's around the guys all the time. He's influential in our locker room. He's influential in our meeting rooms and certainly on the field his … level of play is going to be indicative of where we're going to go in the next eight weeks."
To begin that push in the right direction, Cutler must beat the Packers, against whom he's 1-10 in his career as a starter.
He said he expects Packers defensive coordinator Dom Capers to test his patience by having defenders keep the ball in front of them.
The Bears also want to run against a defense that ranks 29th in the NFL in yards allowed per carry (4.8). Running backs Matt Forte and Ka'Deem Carey combined for 194 yards on 37 carries in Week 4.
Sticking to the game plan, taking what the defense gives him and sharp execution are critical, Cutler said. If the Bears do that, maybe he could lead them out of their hole.
"If we didn't believe, we might as well go home," he said. "That's the only thing we can do, is stay positive, keep working. You look at the film, and we're definitely doing things to hurt ourselves. There's no doubt about that. So if we clean up some of this stuff and get a few breaks here and there, there's no reason why we couldn't."
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Only way Bears can win is if Cutler does not throw picks or fumble....I do not see that happening. I am guessing 3 picks for Cutler.
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Packers 55, Bears 14.
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i love Matthews NOT rushing the QB...insane...not my choice.
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Punt #1.
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7-0 Pack.
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LOL! Guess what and by whom.....yep, pick No.1 by the Jcut trios fav person...Mr.INT Cutler.....
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Can they just please yank Cutler now? The yball NEVER shuld have been thrown. Bennett was not open.
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Has Mel Tucker been fired yet???
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14-0 Pack
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God we suck.
Rodgers jersey is still clean. Little presure.
F you Cutler.
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Seriously, Cutler has to go. This guy is NOT getting it, he sucks, and I would rather by a MILE have McCown back under center!! Good god, people...how much of this fricking crap you wanna keep seeing?!??
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oddo, are you still blowing obama? Oddo is obama's fluffer.
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Well the Bears are awful and otto's insufferable. Two things you can always count on.
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Not the worst team in NFL history, but definitely an embarrassing group of underachievers.
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You CAN'T turn the ball over. WTF doesn't Cutler get? Bennett wasn't open.
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Lets recap.
1 bear punt
1 cutler INT
2 Packer Touchdowns.
Que peke and the refs are not calling holding on the Packers.
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Our third kick return and this moron returning kicks has in bad field position three tmes.
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Underachievers? That assumes they have the talent to achieve.
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Guess the Cutler backers are waiting for him to make a single play before coming out of hiding....
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if he would have led Bennett, he could have caught it. The ball might have been tipped, it had nothing on it.
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wow. a first down
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Cutler throwing behind recievers....Cutler throwing into double coverage....Cutler throwing short deep...wow, what-a-surprise.....
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Cutler has such an adorable way of playing QB: throw the ball up for grabs off the back foot and hope someone on his team comes down with it.
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Ohh, this is setting up for a EPIC Cutler failure! Wow.....delay of game. Hey, how bout watching the play clock, there Einstein. Oh, and when the guys rush in, yea, that's the time to throw the screen, not when they're IN YOUR FACE, you bozo.....good grief....
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Time to switch over to The Walking Dead. Bears playing dead at 14-ZIP...
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MAN how I wish Matthews would have buried that clown of a QB.....get him the F off the field!!! Hell at this point the fricking towel boy is a improvement over him....
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Another punt. Trestman has lost this team.
This team sucks.
At this point I want ot see Clausen.
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Its a good thing Matthew's is not rushing the passer.
Punt #2
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look, this isn't going anywhere good, I got the dvr going, I'm off.
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BBBBBBBBBBBBWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
21-0 Pack!
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Brock Vereen blows the coverage. Rookie....unprepared by Mel Tucker.
What a poorly prepared D.
Vereen CLUELESS that they are in the cover two.
F you Mel Tucker.
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Ok this is so disgusting I am just going to bed and will tape the rest. Did you just see that, 3rd and 11, for a td? Our D is putrid, **** aweful. And so much for the shoot out high output O, Bad Jay is throwing passes into double coverage. Launch everyone please. This team is not worth my time.
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Not to pour salt into our wounds....but I don't see things getting better we lack young talent and have some awful contracts at key positions.
2 more years of suck ass football....highly likely.
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Quote by the announcer "Bears being humiliated".
Either Jenings or Vereen were i nthe wrong coverage.
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God we suck....Peckers have a terrible D and we do nothing.
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Where was Cutler's last pass going????????????????????????????????????????????
Where is nthe Run?????????????????????????????????????
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Cutler is horrid, but I'm not convinced Clausen is any better. They did a GREAT job with the QB situation on this team. Ditch the ONE fking QB that fit this system to a T last season and leave Mr. INT here and this is what we get, what we deserve being this stupid. Leaving Tucker in at DHC is another braindead decision....this team is so done it's unreal. As bad as I've ever seen em....
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Uh, that was intentional grounding, but hey at this point who gives a F....it's all the same....
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28 zip...and once again, I was right...a epic failure blowout....
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BBBBBBBBWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!
28-0 Pack!!!!
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Would the Bears be worse with Mundy/Vereen at QB and Cutler at safety?
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As a bears owners how do you allow Trestman or Tucker to coach another game?????
How does Ted Phillips keep his job???? Emery?
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Someone shoot otto in the face.
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DO it! Make that trade! Hell at this point try anything! Put someone with some fricking brains at QB and ditto at safety!....
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Oddo..this game is still not as bad as the beeting the dumbmicrats took on November 4th.
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Our safties DO NOT know how to play cover 2 and Rodgers knows this.
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beerbelly
Enjoy defending 24 senate seats in 2016 in a Democratic Presidential year after two more years of rudderless politics.
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**** you, Otto.
Nice hands, Bennett...
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Think I'm done with this team. Been through some nightmare **** with them and their play. All those horrid Wanny years and then with Jauron and all the ineptitude and a couple decent years with Lovie and the rest a mess and now this......back to stupid azzed Wannyball. Full circle of crap. Gotta find another team.....I cannot absolutely cannot stand stupid football anymore. Too old for this ****....
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This is the most poorly coached team I've ever seen.
What a spectacular failure Trestman has been.
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Have I mentioned B. Arians would have made a great coach. AZ won again today. I wanted to believe in Emory & Trestman but I am done.
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Is there a mercy rule in pro ball? If not can we MAKE one? Embarrassing crap...
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BBBBBBBBWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
35-0 Pack!!!!!
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Whose team has the crappy defense?
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Apathy is the opposite of being pissed. It means you truely dont give a ****. I'm apathetic. Didn't expect to win, don't really care. Until we get a new coach, I will feel the same way. I feel like this team plays.
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Who's team has the crappy D?!? You SERIOUSLY have to even ask that?? This team isn't a team, it's the biggest POS I've had the displeasure of witnessing! I am so incredibly @%@#@# off I can't hardly type right. This is past the ineptness of Cutler. It is EVERYTHING gone wrong, EVERY damn thing!! Against our mosted hated rival! Inept coach, inept GM, inept owners, inept O, D, QB, WR's EVERY damn thing has gone completely wrong! ONE player I'd keep, everything else is a fire sale, FIRE sale, and that is Forte.....that is IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Where have you gone, Bob Avellini?
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Looks like forte' wants a new QB too.
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Emery, Trestman, and Tucker should be fired tomorrow. Start Claussen the rest of the way and go 3-13. Throw money at a proven team builder and get him a high pick to start what is going to be a multi year process of cleaning up this mess.
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Worst performance by a team I have ever seen.
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Nice block, Ola...
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beerbelly
How does Peppers look?
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Cutler with a stare down and Pepper's sack/strip....yep.....
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6 TD's passing in the first half, SIX....good god amighty.....six........6
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Wonder if our backup will have a better half than the cutter?
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Do not drive this team back to Chicago......drive them to L.A. They want a football team, or so called, they can have this entire mess.....enjoy....
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May be better off to get rid of the whole staff with Emery and hire Mike Shanahan.
He's the last chance to do anything with Cutler and doesn't tolerate failure.
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42 points, first half.....first......half.......... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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shannahan?
Seriously....
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Total BBBBBBWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
Pack 55 - bears 7
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Why wasn't Marc Trestman fired at hafltime?
Steve Rosenbloom
I started writing this at the end of the first quarter, hoping to get it posted by hafltime because I wanted the Bears to fire Marc Trestman before the start of the third quarter..
Geez, it was 42-0, Packers, at halftime, so how much worse could it be if the coach had been whacked after two quarters? Trestman’s team has allowed 80 points in the last two first halves combined, so again, how much worse could it be without the guy?
Trestman deserves it. Bears fans deserves to see him whacked. What happened on Sunday night in front of God and NBC was a pathetic excuse for preparation and execution by a coach who has become a disaster at preparing his team to execute.
The Bears organization, however, deserves to see Trestman stay because those wonks are too stupid to know how awful this is. If they cared, they’d have listened to me when I screamed that Trestman should’ve been canned after the Dolphins game. Certainly after the Patriots game.
But no. Nobody at the toxic waste dump that is Halas Hall did a thing about it. Bears wonks have a high tolerance for being a laughingstock, as we all know.
And that’s how you get a 42-0 national TV embarrassment against the Bears’ biggest rival in their biggest game of a death-spiral of a season. Trestman’s Bears came out bad and stupid, and then looked like they quit or wanted to.
In the first quarter alone, Trestman’s offense was flagged for a false start, delay-of-game, and a personal foul.
Oh, and Jay Cutler threw his regularly scheduled interception and the Bears ran Matt Forte just twice in the first eight plays against the worst rushing defense in the league.
That’s some valuable work Trestman and his staff did during the off week, eh?
You know how little the Packers feared the Bears offense? They went for it on fourth-and-goal from the 1 way back when the game was scoreless. They didn’t value the field goal. The Packers knew they’d get the ball back without trouble.
And they did. And they scored TD after TD after TD.
Trestman’s defensive coordinator still can’t teach his players to communicate checks and coverages. This goes back to Chris Conte and last season’s finale against the same Packers. This is an on-going embarrassment and now a national joke.
Bad enough that Mel Tucker and his defense are too stupid to double-cover Jordy Nelson, but they’re also too inept to even single-cover him for more than five yards. Nice coaching, teaching and execution.
That’s some complementary football, Coach Trestman.
But wait. There’s more stupidity. Trestman's special teams coach continues to tell his guys to bring the ball out of the end zone on kickoff returns when nobody can get to the 20-yard line without Uber.
At 3-6, the Bears are done. They are hopeless. They are leaderless. They appeared heartless at times in the first half Sunday. How much more damning evidence does Emery need?
Emery has to fire Trestman now. He has no other option if he wants to keep his job, and even then, Emery still might get whacked.
Emery’s odd choice of coach has destroyed all hope for the next three years because the Trestman decision was tied to the $54 million the GM guaranteed to Cutler.
Emery could’ve franchise-tagged the erratic quarterback for one year and let him walk if he played as badly as, well, he has played this year. Emery could’ve whacked Trestman, too, and started over.
How good would that option be now? How dreadful will the remainder of Cutler’s contract feel now?
It’s over. Trestman’s career here. Emery’s career here. Maybe Ted Phillips’, too. Maybe they can get a group rate for the national convention of village idiots.
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Shanahan has won more super bowls than Mcarthy otoad.
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Glad I watched the Blackhawks and not this mess. Time to blow the whole thing up.
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Just some some highlights er lowlights. Cutler stunk. Defense stunk. Offensive line stunk. Special teams stunk. Coaching stunk. You can pick any QB you want to replace cutler but with this total lack of talent on D and this coaching staff it wouldn't make a bit of difference. Time to fire everyone from Phillips on down and start over.
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What a damn disgrace. I actually predicted an 8-8 season but wow has the wheels really fallen off! It's hilarious for some character to call Marc Trestman an offensive guru who's also the "master" at protecting the QB based on whatever. Also the "QB whisperer" joke is comical! He's been exposed and will probably not last the season. That goes for the entire staff.
Everyone from ownership on down to the team president down to the GM down to the entire coaching staff should be ashamed for putting his garbage on the field.
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We went to a movie. Didn't watch a single down. Completely detached from this train wreck of a season
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-Bears are second team in NFL history to give up 50 or more points in back-to-back games. First time that has happened since the 1923 Rochester Jeffersons.
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Bears have...what did they say, 31 players from different teams and the next nearest is like 15?? That is a incredible indictment against the GM's we've had. They have done a HORRID job of getting ANY talent much less lasting talent on this team. Packers have five, FIVE players from other teams!! That means their GM has done one helluva job getting and keeping talent on that roster. We without one doubt need a new GM, along with all the other fricking coaches replaced. Look for the GM's who built the Ravens, the Steelers in their winning years, whatever the hell. We need talent in the worst way on this team and we need to ditch so much dead weight. Start with benching McClellin. This kid doesn't get it. Conte blew another coverage on a TD. I mean it just doesn't stop. Allen was invisible, again. Our MLB is crap. We're going to need a new QB next season as well as I just don't think Cutler regardless of whatever else changes, is going to be able to get the job done. He's broken, IMO irrepareably. But what can be done with his humongous contract?? Trade him?? Who the hell is gonna WANT him?!? So we're so fked is unbelievable. This ain't changing in one season, in two seasons, probably not even THREE seasons, unless we get a miracle and find a gem GM waiting for the call and a coach, coaches, whatever the hell. I've never seen this team in such a screwed up state.....
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The look on Cutler's face here says so much. He looks lost, sad, overcome, but the biggest thing it shows is defeat. Rodgers has a look of pity on his face in the background.
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-54604bad/turbine/chi-bearsmore-ct0023875611-20141109/750/750x422)
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JeffH
Re: Today's Game 2014
« Reply #2102 on: November 09, 2014, 07:29:38 pm »
Packers 55, Bears 14.
You nailed it on the fricking head, Jeff, on the fricking head.....
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Wow that was a really close very tightly played game. Too bad we lost. ::)
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Glad I skipped the game and went to the Alice Cooper/Motley Crue concert in Moline instead...
Congrats to Jeff on his pick for the score. Can you e-mail me the lotto numbers for next week?
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Glad I skipped the game and went to the Alice Cooper/Motley Crue concert in Moline instead...
Duck,
How was A.C. and the Crewe?
You went all the way to Moline?
Thats dedication. :D Gotta love it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es---jpvO4s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es---jpvO4s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqO8LpE0GU4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqO8LpE0GU4)
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**** sakes!! There's nothing left to say. I said at the start of the season Tucker should've been fired. Trestman's nothing but a turd. I would fire Tucker today, but they won't do that, they'll save that for the end of the season so it appears they've gotten the message. When I went to bed it was 35 to nothing, seriously? We already knew the D would suck (not this bad mind you), but this offense is just horrible!!! The whole team has fallen apart.. What about special teams, man are they bad!! WTF!!
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Yep, turned the tv off at 35 also, what a train wreck. At least waking up after a fair night's sleep.
Where do we start? I think you have to let Tucker go this morning, I don't care what it looks like. Home win against the Vikings? Not likely. And that train you see coming is the Bucs and Josh McCown. Wow, this has to be a low point in my Bears life. Time to enjoy the rest of the fall and get ready for Thanksgiving...
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I'm so **** glad I dropped the ticket this season. Who wants to pay to watch this steaming pile of ****.. And guess what, another nationally televised game, Thanksgiving. Another colossal beat down I'm sure..
This is the worst Bears team I can remember..
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Since arriving in Chicago in 2009, Cutler has thrown 13 touchdowns and 22 interceptions in 11 games against Green Bay. He's exceeded 280 passing yards only once. Seven times, he's had multiple interceptions in a game.
Not the kind of numbers you'd expect from a quarterback making $54 million guaranteed.
In the same period, Rodgers – also making $54 million guaranteed – has thrown 27 touchdowns and only six interceptions against the Bears. He's exceeded 280 passing yards seven times, including three straight 300-yard games. Five times, he's thrown at least three touchdown passes.
http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2014/11/10/jay-cutler-struggles-packers/18786671/
Pretty much tells the story (except the sorry **** Defense)
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I said 6-10. It looks closer to 3-13. This team hasn't got a clue how to win another game. Frickin pathetic.
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I switched the channel at 21-0.
I switched back and it was 42-0.
I would say the Packers were stupid to leave Rodgers in at that point but we weren't getting to him.
I guess he could have hurt himself celebrating another TD throw.
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As mentioned, the interesting game will be when Lovie and Josh come rolling into town..
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100+ points in two games. 88-7 in the first half of the last two games? The last two teams have scored on every possession they have had in the first quarter of the last two games.
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Thank God for the 'Hawks...words fail to describe how miserable the latest Bears beat down
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So our D is putrid and needs a complete overhaul. ST is just as bad, but what about the O? We were supposed to have all the pieces...but Jay the coach killer, choked yet again. Lets see, first it was Turner, then Martz, then Tice, then Lovie, and soon Trestman. Did I leave anyone out? Turner made Erik Kramer look good, Martz ran a pretty good show in STL, Tice is a meathead, but Trestman knows O. Sorry guys but the common thread here is Cutler. Great skills, dunder head brain. Jeff George Jr for sure. I am now counting the days until he is a former Bear....
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I agree with all of this:
joefelicelli says: Nov 10, 2014 9:27 AM
Several things are in play here:
1) a generation of bad draft classes under Ted Phillips, Jerry Angelo, and Lovie Smith. The Bears have 31 guys on their current roster who played for other teams prior to coming here. Emery’s drafting (outside of McClellin, which was a Lovie/Marinelli pick) has been decent, but there is no depth, and this team is old as crap
2) a predictable offense. Many contributors here, such as poor pass protection, and slow receivers that can’t get behind the defense, not to mention a QB that can’t seem to get his head right
3) Horrible defense; no pressure on the QB, no coverage on the back end, and the leaders are absent. Briggs has been mailing it in since week 1 last year, and Tillman has been hurt both seasons. The rest of the team is standing around waiting for someone to tell them what to do, and Tucker can’t seem to make himself that voice
4) No adjustments in-game; this is all coaching staff. They don’t adapt to what the defense is doing, and they end up playing right into their hands.
5) apathy in the organization. What have the Bears won since Halas passed away? Nothing. They have been an average team for 30 years. Lovie missed the playoffs 6 out of 7 years after going to the Super Bowl, and people think he was given a raw deal. Problem was he should have been fired one year earlier, and the organization didn’t want to pay him his contract.
My first Bears game was Walter Payton’s first home game as a rookie, and I have for the first time turned the game off early the last two contests. It makes me ill to watch this debacle. They need to start by canning Ted Phillips, and hiring Bill Polian as team President. At least you would have a football guy calling the shots, and he can decide what to do with Emery, Trestman, et al.
This organization is broken. Not the QB, not the coaching staff, not the players. Every single person associated with the Bears operation is broken, and they need to be fixed or replaced.
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I watched the whole game from the beginning to end...and I wasn't mad. I laughed along with the announcers. It was a weird feeling. I have a better chance of being the president of the United States than to witness a housecleaning by the McCaskeys. That's reality.
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If this organization was serious about winning and presenting itself as worried about winning they would fire Tucker immediately. How the **** are so many players out of position all the time? Being a bad D is one thing, this is something else. I'm not too sure I've ever witnessed anything quite like this.
This offense was supposed to carry the team. There was talk of "top 5". Cutler and the O are a disgrace! Although, I do agree, I don't care who the QB is, with this D, there is no way of winning...
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Agreed about the badness of the D and not winning it all, but if the O was better we might get into high scoring shoot outs. We haven't even hit 30 pts in a game this year I don't think. Trestman has lost this team. There are NO LEADERS.....Briggs is mailing it in, and was never really a leader anyways. Mopey Jay on O is no leader. When bi-polar Branden Marshall is you most outspoken person you have a problem. At this point I am hoping for 3-13 and a top 5 draft pick, and some serious coaching changes.
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Laughed my ass off at this one!
Someone said "Papa Bear Halas is turning over in his grave so much, it should be tapped as an energy source"
Something has to be done this week...Tucker has to go at a minimum. Make Pasqualoni Interim DC. Cutler needs to be benched mid-game if there is another stupid turnover. Trestman doesn't have the stones to do that though.
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I keep reading about wanting Emery gone. I would have no problem with that actually. And Ted Phillips too.
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Ted **** Phillips should have been replaced as soon as his "accomplishment" was completed...building the 3rd smallest NFL stadium in the 3rd largest market in the country. Nothing less than a getting a football man instead of the family accountant at the top of the organization will do in my mind. It all depends on George and Virginia.
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Laughed my ass off at this one!
Someone said "Papa Bear Halas is turning over in his grave so much, it should be tapped as an energy source"
Something has to be done this week...Tucker has to go at a minimum. Make Pasqualoni Interim DC. Cutler needs to be benched mid-game if there is another stupid turnover. Trestman doesn't have the stones to do that though.
Laughed my butt off on that. Probably more energy generated than by Obama's wind or solar energy programs combined
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I can't see how the D could be any worse, even if they had no DC. Let the players draw it up in the sand..
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BTW- Someone better check on Dallas, I'm sure he's getting ready to jump. We may not see him 'til next spring..
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I hope Adrian Peterson gets to play next week just to further expose this horrible Defense.
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In a way you hope for more 55 points given up so that there is real pressure for some legitimate changes, not just window dressing
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Well the Bears are just what any team needs for a tune up game. Hope the Vikes run and pass right down Jarred Allens throat. And anyone else think Stafford and the Lions are going to dissect the Bears on Thanksgiving???
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Bill, it's more than just the defense. I hope you're finally figuring this out, but Cutler is broken. He's done. The offense is generating nothing except turnovers. That means we need to draft a QB next year and if at all possible, trade Cutler to someone who will take him.
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I already mentioned the beat down to come on Thanksgiving day. The only reason they won't put 100 points up is Caldwell seems to be a class guy..
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We're stuck with alot of expensive dead weight right now. Cutler is the biggest chunk followed by Allen and Houston. None of them have done anything to earn their huge paydays.
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It's unreal and unbelievable, but Trestman is still the HC and he says NO coaching changes will take place, he likes the way Tucker prepares each week (are you KIDDING me?!??) I guess he likes wide open recievers for the opponent to throw to. Boy this team is so gone.....
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Cutler won't be going anywhere. The Bears won't eat his contract. They'll trot him out onto the field for at least next season. No way we could trade him to anyone, no one will want him with his contract. Don't look for the Bears to draft a qb very high unless some miracle happens. I do agree that Cutler is finished, not because "he sucks". I don't think he has what it takes between the ears. I don't think Cutler will ever win the big game. Shame, he's got the tools. I don't think it has anything to do with how smart he is either. I think he plain and simply gets flustered, then everything falls apart. I think when he sits by himself he's trying to calm himself down. Some QB's talk about when the game slows down for 'em. I don't think the game ever slows down for Cutler. It's too bad, 'cause I really think he has the physical abilities..
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I've said it a bunch already.. Tucker should go right NOW!!!
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I don't think Cutler is going anywhere either. I definitely believe they need to clean house defensively, both coaching and personnel wise. We don't have the right coaches and we don't have the right players to mann a good healthy system
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They were saying on the Score and other sports outlets that they should have franchise tagged Cutler and then they could have let him go after this season. It was completely ignorant to sign him to such a huge contract with no out....
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Who would want a QB who refuses to listen to anyone....never has. They call Cutler aroudn the NFL "the coach killer" (head coach nad offensive c.)
The joker STILL throws off his back foot....they teach in high school not to do this.
1 and 10 against Green Bay....is there any reason to start this joker ever again??? No.
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How is Mel Tucker allowed in the building today? How?
I heard it AGAIN last night...."The Bears are in that same plain defensive front, Aaron Rodgers will easily pick this apart"
One thing I DO NOT understand is how Vereen, Mindy, Jennings do not know what D to be in - game after game....they are CLUELESS as towether to be in cover 2 or man to man - Rodgers knows this. This crap they teach in high school.
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They were saying on the Score and other sports outlets that they should have franchise tagged Cutler and then they could have let him go after this season. It was completely ignorant to sign him to such a huge contract with no out....
That's true. OTOH, they still have just 2 more years to deal with Cuttler and finding their franchise QB. Only 54 Mil was guaranteed, the first 3 years. Next year you bring in your franchise QB and if Cutler doesn't get it and is unimproved you bring in the rook to give him seasoning. The following year Cuttler is the backup or you jettison him and eat the last years 18 Mill or trade him (fat chance of that).
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Other info heard last night.
1. "The Bears are still in that plain defensive front. Nothng different."
2. "Cutler has never learned to read defenses. He is clueless"
3. The league has complete figuredout how to stop Mark Trestman's offense. it took them less than 1 year. Green bay total knows how to stop it.
4. There Bears do not have any long pass plays this year.
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2. "Cutler has never learned to read defenses. He is clueless"
That's true and neither has Claussen for that matter. Definitely cut out of the same mold for whatever that's worth. Fales is supposed to be different.
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That is why I would like to see Jim Harbough as head coach. He would lite a fire under the team, possibly get something out of Cutler, like he did with Alex Smith, and keep whoever he deems the better qb.
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Adam Schefter's stat of the day:
Chicago Bears Regular season games of allowing 50+ points
Last 11 games - 3 Prior 759 games - 3
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Gould has not attempted a field goal in three consecutive
games for the first time in his career.
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I'm looking more at Emery as the problem. Out of our 53 I can only think of about a 12-15 that even belong on an NFL roster. Granted Angelo left the cupboard bare but he has done little to fix that. Worse yet as I think of this game I can't think of a single player that played well. A total stink job by everyone. Even Forte...seven years in the NFL and he can't pick up a blitz? This needs to be blown up immediately.
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There is more to the story than that. Emery has had 2 drafts or about a dozen draft picks to attempt to fill a roster. So as anybody should be able to figure out that leaves all the rest of the new players have played for other teams and were FA signees. You have to have players to fill a roster whether they are your draftees or FAs.
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Phill, 8-8???
8-8???
I had them at 5-11.
All the defense had to be was good this year. Not great, just good. Of course now the offense sucks worse then the defense and the special teams?
Mercy. Garbage.
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Phill, 8-8???
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I had them at 5-11.
All the defense had to be was good this year. Not great, just good. Of course now the offense sucks worse then the defense and the special teams?
Mercy. Garbage.
JBN we are only losing because you wont let Sailorgirl out of the closet you keep her chained up in to post here. ;)
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Lol! Touche Jackie.
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Emery is the problem - he chose Trestman....but who chose Emery....
Philips....Ted phillips should be fired as well...Phillips has made a billion mistakes.
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I read somewhere they said they would like Bill Pollian to take Ted Phillips job, and then let him replace whoever he wants...
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Jackie, she said no thanks. No interest.
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The new deal signed earlier this year by Bears quarterback Jay Cutler carries $54 million in guaranteed money. But there’s a caveat.
Like so many other long-term veteran deals, the Bears can stop the bleeding in March of 2015 or March of 2016, cutting off the flow of guaranteed money by cutting Cutler.
For example, if the Bears dump him by March 2015, they’ll avoid $16 million in guaranteed money. If they part ways with him by March 2016, they’ll save the final $6 million guaranteed.
The problem is that, by cutting Cutler before March in either of the next two years, they’ll be watching a lot of cash walk out the door. Already, he has triggered $38 million in fully-guaranteed pay under the new deal. After next March, if moves to $48 million.
The best bet could be to trade him, if they can find someone who’d give value for the privilege of standing in the Bears’ shoes. Given his regression and at times indifference, there quite possibly would be no team interested in taking the contract off Chicago’s hands.
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I read somewhere they said they would like Bill Pollian to take Ted Phillips job, and then let him replace whoever he wants...
I read somewhere they said they would like Bill Pollian to take Ted Phillips job, and then let him replace whoever he wants...
Polian is 71 years old. Why would he want to take on this mess at that age?
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Keys, tipping back some cough medicine to ease the pain there? Double vision quoting....
At this point, I'd definately take Polian. You betcha.....because...dang....what a mess he has to fix!
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My son and I began watching the game and were happy at the start. When the score began to rapidly rise I became angry because many of the Bear players had quit and weren't really trying.
Trestman looked thoroughly humiliated and he should have. He should be fired immediately and replaced by an assistant coach as interim HC. The team should be actively looking for a new QB, as a top need. Take a couple in the next draft.
That's a shame. Bear fans are good followers of the team and don't deserve this kind of crap.
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Reading Beerfan and otto is an added load. Fortunately I have them both blocked and don't have to put up with that tripe.
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Agreed, PR. Trestman, if this team had any leadership, should be gone right now as should Tucker. This season is gone with them still here, so why not make that change? Put someone in that will find out what exactly we have already on this roster to build for next season. As horrid as this team is, the only consolation at this point is a top 5, maybe higher, pick. I honestly can't remember the last time that has happened.....
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Unfortunately, they won't even fire Tucker..
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All I heard was there would be no changes this week. It might take a board meeting to make that happen. I think one more bigtime loss Sunday might precipitate a change of direction. I just don't think you go fire somebody unless you have a replacement ready. I don't think management has had time to interview any candidates yet. You might see one of the assistants replacing Tucker.
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Polian might not be interested, but I think the point was to put someone with some FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE in charge of things, including who the GM is. I agree 100%.
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Someone needs to be fired. No doubt about that. The obvious one right now is Tucker. However is he doing everything the way Trestman wants him to? If that is the case then they both need to go.
Not knowing all of the information I would hope that Trestman and Emery can be saved and we dump the DC and bring in more talent. Perhaps it is beyond that and Emery and the whole gang needs to go. I honestly do not know. I would hope at the very least we keep Emery and give him one more shot to get the HC pick right. I don't want another months long GM search and then the guy is stuck with the HC because he has no time to pick his own.
With out having all of the information I simply do not know. All I know for sure is that this is one **** up bag of **** and it needs to be corrected before next season. This season can NOT be saved so maybe tell the offense forget about the score just run the plays and be efficient. Don't press, don't do anything stupid. Don't abandon the run just because you are 50 points down. At all times play like it is a tie ball game with plenty of time.
On defense whatever you are doing **** stop it now. The massive confusion the DB's are showing is ridiculous. Is that Tucker? Is he making at simple as possible so they don't **** up up but that allows the QB's to hit open WR's constantly? When he calls anything but basic do they then get confused and allow the other teams star receiver to not even be covered?
I don't know but the defense is the worse I have ever seen. If it was me I would play man and go after the QB like crazy. If you are giving up 50+ points a game playing it safe then what do you have to lose? Our whole defensive scheme sucks ass. That I know for sure.
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Keys, tipping back some cough medicine to ease the pain there? Double vision quoting....
At this point, I'd definately take Polian. You betcha.....because...dang....what a mess he has to fix!
No...crappy hotel internet connection. I didn't say I wouldn't want him. I'm wondering why he would want to take that on at his age.
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Well we most definately need NFL football guys with NFL football experience in the next HC/DC/GM whatever setup. And for fricks sake, DON'T pick some clown that was crappy elsewhere, like Tucker was! We all questioned that move when we saw his resume and man did that prove correct. And I believe we all understand now that a Canadian League Championship coach means zero in the NFL. He was a good coordinator in the league, and that is it. I'll tell ya, I'm not even that excited for Jim Harbaugh to come here. I think he gets a bit wound up and doesn't stay controlled like his brother does, who I'd take in a hot minute. But we exceedingly badly need a quality, QUALIFIED coach/gm setup here this next go round....this is even worse than the Wanny years...think about that one for a sec...
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Packer view of Rodgers vs Cutler.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/rodgers-cant-play-qb-position-any-better-b99387237z1-282102961.html
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The whole structure of the corporation is flawed top down. There really aren't any corporate bylaws that are followed, just "whatever the McCaskeys want". This really started going to hell when Muggs died and the McCaskeys bought/shoved any Halas's out. At this point Phillips isn't going anywhere. The family loves him, he got the stadium deal done. Don't slow down the money machine, rule one. Rule two, see rule one. Someone posted after my last rant that letting someone go in the middle of the season wasn't good business. That's pretty much my point. A fan would shove the whole steaming stench laden mess into Michigan, bite the bullet and go. Why? Because they want to WIN. The family likes to win, its ok, but they don't have to win. They have to make money. So we get the same pasty faced smirks we've always gotten, and take it or leave it. That simple. Anyone that knows the industry isn't walking in anytime soon, because they would know they'll never be given full rein. Since ww2 , The Bears have 3 championships. 3. In almost 70 years. 3. That's simply not going to change. I finally knew when I saw"he's gotta knee". It was over. Do actually think any of them lost any sleep last night?
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This sucks but I really hope the Vikes come out and light this team up badly. I absolutely hate going roung the stupid tree again. Didn't we have enough of this nonsense with Wanny and Jauron? I mean getting beat is one thing, but stupid football is so incredibly annoying!!! I'm not a Cubs fan because of the ineptitude of that organization for so many decades upon decades but here I am, hanging on to this numbnuts team. I really do not at all want to rehash the inept past again here....
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I hope the Bears come out on fire and kick the **** out of the Vikings. Then build off that and while they will miss the play offs actually have some hope for next season. I never root for the Bears to lose.
That doesn't mean I don't want folks fired. I just don't want the Bears to lose to get people fired. I want them to be smart enough to pin point who needs to be fired and who doesn't based on their merits.
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I agree with Sporty and besides Peke 3-13 might get us that franchise QB we need.
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I will never root for the Bears to lose. Can't do it.
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I think it'll happen without rooting for it. I think they are that bad.
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Jackie, she said no thanks. No interest.
Tell her that we all miss her and all say hello.
p.s.
Please feed her.
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Thinking about Cutler, in the preseason he looked in charge. Defenders at this feet or flying around him, he kept his eyes down field and moved in the pocket and fired the ball. These last several weeks, it looks like he is just watching the walls crumble around him, even when he has enough time. He looks to have lost his confidence.
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Thinking about Cutler, in the preseason he looked in charge. Defenders at this feet or flying around him, he kept his eyes down field and moved in the pocket and fired the ball. These last several weeks, it looks like he is just watching the walls crumble around him, even when he has enough time. He looks to have lost his confidence.
At what point does being a diabetic come into play ?
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Good question JJ, I don't know enough about diabetes.
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Peke got me thinking about how the D is so confused. We keep hearing how they are not all in the same formation/coverage/plays. Jennings, our probowl CB has looked like total **** and been torched repeatedly. Did he all of a sudden forget how to play? Then I was thinking isn't Briggs calling the plays? Maybe mumblemouth Lance isn't communicating so well. Hell I don't have any answers, just thinking...
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Well for everyone who wanted someone fires:
The Bears waived reserve cornerback Teddy Williams on Monday. The move was disclosed in the NFL’s transactions.
Williams played 19 snaps on special teams and was flagged for a personal foul penalty in Chicago’s 55-14 loss at Green Bay on Sunday. The 26-year-old Williams appeared in five games for Chicago this season, notching two tackles.
Williams’ penalty was one of 11 fouls assessed against the Bears in Sunday’s debacle at Lambeau Field. Overall, the Bears were docked 163 yards in penalties.
As of Monday evening, the release of Williams leaves the Bears with one open roster spot. No other Bears transactions were reported by the league on Monday, and the team hasn’t announced any other moves.
UPDATE 8:05 p.m. ET: The Bears have promoted rookie guard Ryan Groy to the 53-player roster, according to Kevin Fishbain of ChicagoFootball.com. Groy is a Wisconsin product.
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If the trade dedline had not passed the Cardianls who are 8-1 and just lost Carson Palmer for the season would have to consider a Cutler trade.
I disagree with most...I think the problem is coaching.
O offense Trestman should have control of Cutler, I don't see them speaking at all.
The offense has no strategy to it whatsoever. As Collinsworth said Sunday night the Packers were concerned about what offensive strategy the Bears would come out with and they had nothing new.
Defensively we have a bunch of average players. For a defense to be good it needs a couple of stars to make big plays and with the possible exception of Fuller the Bears don't have that. Even so the offense should still be able to make a few stops and hold anyone to under 35 points. Tucker is the problem. O saw that last year in a late season game when Tucker called the defense on the sidelines to meet and Briggs heard what he had to say and waved his hand and walked away. When you lose your veteran players you're on the wrong track.
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See, I am thinking Briggs is a major part of the problem.
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See, I am thinking Briggs is a major part of the problem.
Bingo. He quit. He is already talking about playing somewhere else.
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If they were smart they would get rid of the cancer, but that wont happen. Sigh.
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His contract is up at the end of the season. No need to cut him. He has also been talking about retirement.
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I just read on ESPN, that on the play where Nelson scored the long TD (I know, which one... 74 yarder), Briggs made a check at the last second to zone and obviously Jennings did not hear it...
Hear is the snippet from Jeff Dickerson...
2. Mel Tucker: It’s 2013 all over again. After a respectable start to the season, the wheels have fallen off on defense. The past two games have been pathetic. Tucker’s unit is lost. Where is the pass rush? Where are the turnovers? All I see is confusion. For example: Jordy Nelson's 73-yard touchdown. Lance Briggs checks to zone coverage seconds before the snap, not every player hears the call, and Nelson is wide open deep down the field. This is a team issue. And it has happened before (the busted coverage last season versus Green Bay that cost the Bears a NFC North title). Communication begins with the coordinator. Tucker is ultimately responsible for the fatal errors. He needs to ensure that mistakes are not repeated. Trestman gave Tucker a vote of confidence Monday. That should last for about seven weeks. Expect the Bears to be in the market for some new coordinators come January.
Briggs has shown he is selfish from opening his restaurant on the first week of the season, when you have months to select the opening date. Then to admit in film study that he zones out when he is injured and can't play. He is the defensive captain and play caller when he is in there.
We played one good game of defense this season against Atlanta, and none of those linebackers are starting. I would start Bostic and Jones, and may the best man win the other job. I would put Bostic in the WLB position and Briggs can loaf all he wants on the bench. He should no longer be the mouthpiece or considered the defensive leader of this listless group.
I guess that falls on Trestman to make that call and he needs to show he is in charge. We all know that Tucker is a lame duck, time to start making some tough decisions and take control of this ship, or he's going down with it
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I know Briggs has zero chance of coming back next year, but he is sabotaging THIS season. I agree with Grizz, if you don't cut him, to send a message, you bench him. He is screwing the D over, like they need any help with that....
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I get ya. Then you can pick up some Canadian League refugee that cant play better than your granny to replace him. I just don't see the advantage of cutting Briggs. Briggs's fate is going to be the same as that of Urlacker.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/briggs-final-year-bears/story?id=26796608
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I will never root for the Bears to lose. Can't do it.
Agree, I'm the same way..
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Briggs for being our best linebacker is terrible!!
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Briggs is our best linebacker in terms of his career accomplishments. But I think the bell has tolled for him physically and definitely mentally. He had 3 tackles this past week as the WLB. He used to lead the team, he and Urlacher would compete for the tackles lead. No more.
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Once Urlacher left Briggs fizzled..
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Briggs looks fat and refuses to buy into Mel Tuckers scheme as he does not cover his gap. NOT good when your vet does not believe.
WHY is it we constantly have DBs in the wrong coverage? Meaning one guy is playing 'Cover 2' and another is playing "Man toMan"? and Mel Tucker still has a job? My kids High School football team ALWAYS knows what D to be in - if they didn't they would be benched!!! BUT, in Trestman "feel good, no body is wrong" attitude - no one is acocuntable.
WHEN WILL SOMEONE BE ACCOUNTABLE IN THIS ORGANIZATION????
That's 106 freakign points in two games. We no longer have a passing attack. The Packers KNOW what we're doing on offense and defense.
Has Ted Phillips been fired yet? He created this mess.
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We're all just whizzing into the wind until this team decides to make players and coaches and even higher ups accountable. I will say I hope there's a ton of 'Fire Tucker!' signs out this Sunday and 'just a few boos' for the crap we've had to put up with as fans of this messed up organization......even through the Wanny years, was it ever this bad??
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even through the Wanny years, was it ever this bad??
yes.
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In the Wannie years they usually played hard, there was just no talent. This is the opposite of that.
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This is (another cfl coach) Neil Armstrong Bsd. Granted, losing 55-14 or 2-0 makes no difference, except in the 2-0
loss you know aleast half the starters are trying. The more I think about it, this looks like a worker slowdown
in the world of the nfl. It won't get better anytime soon. The players do EXACTLY what they are told, and not one
iota more.
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So I watched the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters today, mostly fast forwarding. What really pisses me off is Peppers was giving 110% effort. If he would have given half that much last year he would still be a Bear. **** ****.
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Yea, gotta agree on Peppers. The prick! >:(
I gotta go look but I can't remember Wanny losing this bad back to back. I do need to go look though....
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Yeah, guess it was pretty bad with ol Davey boy....93-98, 41-57 record and was fired after back to back 4-12 seasons and had only one post season appearance, if my bad memory serves correctly that was 95'?
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Wanny's biggest problem was tallent. Didn't he trade 2 #1s for Rick Mirer? Then a lot of bad free agent signings to fill holes + terrible drafts.
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In the Wannie years they usually played hard, there was just no talent. This is the opposite of that.
Exactly.. It was different than this.. Jauron the same thing, they still played hard..
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Wanny's biggest problem was tallent. Didn't he trade 2 #1s for Rick Mirer? Then a lot of bad free agent signings to fill holes + terrible drafts.
remember the back from the giants (can't remember his name). Didn't we get Brian Cox during those years.. Holy ****!! Nightmares... How about the Holloween game, weren't they honoring Butkus that night?
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What makes this worse, we really should be scoring points on offense. And there is no excuse for players being out of position so often on D. When we played the Pat's, Brady knew exactly who was open before the snap. And it's almost as if opposing D's know what our O is going to do before the snap..
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In the Wannie years they usually played hard, there was just no talent. This is the opposite of that.
I disagree. Except for a handful of players the talent is horrible. There are distinct reasons why Houston wasn't wanted back in Oakland and Allen wasn't able to stay in Minny and Mundy had to leave the Giants. Thrse players just weremt good enough to play high caliber football. And that's what Emery had to get.
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Mundy does get abused quite a bit. He actually makes Conte look good some times. Houston and Allen have been major busts.
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He arrived amid high hopes. Those hopes have not translated to production.
And so the Bears have moved on from Super Bowl XLIII MVP Santonio Holmes.
Despite appearing in nine games and starting twice, Holmes caught only eight passes for 67 yards. It’s possible, based on his history, that he had become a pain in the posterior for the coaching staff and/or teammates.
That said, there was no visible evidence of any problems; with the Jets in 2011, it was obvious that Holmes had become a malcontent and a bad teammate.
He’ll be subject to waivers. If unclaimed, he’ll become a free agent.
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We have to see what Marquis Wilson has in the tank. Its time. He has the speed to succeed
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Yeah but can he play D???
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A lot of the guys on today's Bears are not good. But there are many talented players (especially on offense) that are playing without heart or guts or motivation or whatever you want to call it. They have pretty much quit on Trestman. They do not play "hard" for Trestman.
It seemed the Bears (almost) always played hard for Wannie. If they had had somebody smart acquiring the talent for those teams, they would have been more successful. They just never had any talent.
You could list some "talented" players who didn't play inspired for Wannie like Brian Cox, but it seemed like those guys never quit, even after losing the first 6 games of the year. That's why they kept him around...his players played hard.
I don't think you would ever call any of Wannie's teams "talented" and especially "underachieving." People call the current Bears these things all the time.
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"What makes this worse, we really should be scoring points on offense."
I 100% believe defenses have caught up with Trestman's O. And Cutler has been HORREDOUS in about 6 games....fumbling...picks...forcing it inot double coverage....throwing when a guy is completely covered. Throwing off his back foot.
The worst part is Cutler really doesn't care. I am not sure what he is thinking, but he alwayshas that smug face.
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He is thinking I am going to make $54 M no matter what happens.
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Do you think he really doesn't care? Does any human being want to take the abuse he is taking right now?
I hear people are trashing Trestmans kids on social media. That is **** up!
If the fans are doing that imagine what they are saying about the players and coaches.
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Packers.....
Own you ****.
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Oh STFU....McCown beat you clowns last season.....go milk a bull
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-mike-brown-bears-quit-20141111-story.html
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Former QB Rich Gannon: 'I'd sit Jay Cutler'
By Rich Campbell
Rich Gannon’s experience with Marc Trestman helps his voice resonate louder than most of the echoing critics following the Bears’ second consecutive non-competitive loss.
Gannon has credibility as one of Trestman’s greatest examples of NFL success. He was the Oakland Raiders’ quarterback when Trestman was the team’s offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach from 2002-2003. Gannon was the NFL’s most valuable player in 2002, the year the Raiders won the AFC.
Gannon on Monday sharply criticized the Bears, Trestman and quarterback Jay Cutler on during an interview with "The Mully and Hanley Show" on WSCR-AM (670). Here are Gannon’s most notable comments about his former coach and Cutler:
On Bears fans effectively booing and hissing on the radio for nearly three house of the show Monday morning:
“It’s well deserved. That’s embarrassing what happened last night. What’s so troubling to me is this is a team that came off their bye, well rested. They had a chance to go back and reassess and re-evaluate what they did the first half of the season, make corrections, and really come out and try and salvage the second half of the season and try and find a way to fight their way into the playoffs. To me last night, it just looked like a team that wasn’t ready to play. I listened to Marc Trestman’s comments about this is a team that’s worked hard, preparing hard, doing all the right things. I don’t know how you can say that. ... You tell me a team is ready to play when you go out there and perform like that? There wasn’t a single player last night as I watched that game, to me, that seemed like they were ready to play.”
On Trestman being too worried about players quitting on him to be publicly critical:
“I think you’re right. I think he’s worried about losing the locker room. I think he feels he’s got a fragile football team right now, which is amazing. At some point, I always say, you have to hand the leadership of the football team back over to the players. I just don’t know that that’s happened. You look at a team like this, and you say, ‘Well, how can they continue to lose the way they’re losing?’... They’re getting throttled.
“And the quarterback, to me, as I watched him last night, he makes me sick to my stomach. His footwork is atrocious at times. You see him back there in the pocket, he’s throwing off his back foot. He’s all over the place. He’s got happy feet. He doesn’t set his feet. He’s throwing off balance, and it’s an accident waiting to happen. He’s part of the problem — he’s not the whole problem, but he’s certainly part of it.
“And you look at them offensively, you start there and say, ‘This is a fairly talented group.' I like Matt Forte. I like their receivers. The tight end last night was not ready to play; he put too many balls on the ground, too many drops. I don’t know where to begin. It’s a mess, and unfortunately it’s going to cost some people their jobs.”
More on Cutler:
“I don’t know what to make of Jay Cutler, guys. It’s almost like he’s convinced that this isn’t going to work, and he’s just kind of going through the motions, to me, at times. I don’t see the fight. I don’t see the passion. I don’t see him in the huddle challenging guys."
“You look around on the other sideline, and the other guy (Packers’ QB Aaron Rodgers), he’s a little bit different. He’s wired different. And, of course, he’s a talented player. But if we were to put both of those guys in t-shirts and shorts and take them out for a workout, I think the three of us would sit there and go, ‘I don’t know. Who do you like? I don’t know. They both throw the heck out of the ball. They both can move around. They both have some toughness to them. Who would you take?’
“But then all of a sudden you put the helmet on and the shoulder pads and jersey, and it looks a lot different, especially, to me, from the neck up. The other guy is changing plays and protections and he’s in control. He’s hand-signaling. He’s doing everything. He is the CEO of that operation. Everybody knows when you go up to Green Bay who is in charge. Yet, in Chicago, is it Cutler? Is it Trestman? Is it a linebacker? Is it Forte? I don’t know who it is. That’s the problem. They don’t have that defined leader that they need in difficult times.”
On if it’s possible Cutler isn’t open to coaching:
“Remember, now, he’s had some bad experiences early in his career. He went through that situation in Denver — they brought in Josh McDaniels. Josh McDaniels kicked him to the curb. He goes to Chicago. He has some bad experiences there with some people I’m not necessarily sure he trusted. I think part of it was a trust factor. That’s the one thing I tried to convince Marc that when he took the job in Chicago, I said, ‘You have to get this guy to trust. You have to get this guy to really believe that you’re there to help him and believe in the system.’ And when you watch him play, to me, you don’t see that. I don’t see a guy that trusts the protection. I don’t see it.
“I saw a guy last night that when there was rush coming and he was getting hit, that it was bothering him. His eyes were dropping. You look at some of the throws, you look at some of the errant throws, even on the screen pass (that hit right guard Kyle Long’s helmet and was intercepted). When you’re confident, you see a guy that hitches up in the pocket, not a guy that fades away and drifts in the pocket. And, to me, there’s some things there—it gets back to trust. Do you trust the protection? Do you trust the system? Do you trust the play call? Do you trust the check? I just don’t see that when I study his feet. In this system, feet tell you everything. We say, ‘Trust your feet.’ Your feet will take you to the completion. Your feet will take you to the open receiver. But when you watch Cutler, the feet tell you that he doesn’t trust and that it’s a problem for him right now.”
Later Monday, Gannon appeared on CBS Sports Network’s “NFL Monday QB” and advocated benching Cutler:
“It was embarrassing. This is a team that wasn’t ready to play. They lost the last four-out-of-five, and they’re coming off of a bye. They came out last night and they were flat. Jay Cutler was awful. He turned it over three times – two interceptions and a fumble in the pocket. It bothered me that they weren’t ready to play… If I were Marc Trestman, I’d sit Jay Cutler.”
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I agree with this:
“I don’t know what to make of Jay Cutler, guys. It’s almost like he’s convinced that this isn’t going to work, and he’s just kind of going through the motions, to me, at times. I don’t see the fight. I don’t see the passion. I don’t see him in the huddle challenging guys."
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Having no fight in them is why they're going to lose Sunday. From Cutler on down, they are listless, leaderless, rudderless and dead. And we're going to need a new QB next season, one with some fight in him because Cutler just does not have it, AT all. He is dead and lifeless and on life support.....
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Personally I think the D is so **** bad the O has given up. That IS a character flaw in Cutler and is probably rubbing off on others. He has been on terrible teams his entire career and tends to just wing it when things look bad.
Like I said before by the time the defense is fixed Cutler will be gone as will a lot of the talent on offense. Emery has a lot of work to do and some tough decisions to make.
One thing I know is that I would not bring in a new HC until Cutler is gone. If he really is the problem some of you think he is why ruin another HC.
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This situation reminds me of when Lombardi retired and Bengtsson replaced him. The team lost its fire, same as the Bears with Trestman. Bengtsson was a great DC for Lombardi but he was no HC.
I think Cutler is the same player as he was when Denver dumped him.
I hope that the Bears get a GM who gets this whole thing straightened out.
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One thing is absolutely totally clear...we cannot keep trying to build this team on FA signees. We've got a crapload of other teams castoffs and it AIN'T working! SO if we're going to have a ounce of success going forward, a GM that can build a team ground up is absolutely necessary. Because we're in a rebuilding phase and it's painfully obvious....
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I think that is part of the problem. Expectations were sky high even though they were rebuilding.
Who knew the defense would get worse when last year was historically bad. I didn't think it was possible.
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My expectations were never high. I knew better. I think I said the best we would do would be 9-7 but expected much lower than that.
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I 100% believe defenses have caught up with Trestman's O.
Good call. I agree.
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Chicago Bears Forum / Re: 2014 Chicago Bears
« on: August 29, 2014, 11:35:12 pm »
My prediction: another 8-8 year. The D I think is gonna cause us fits all season long. Pray I'm wrong.....
I wasn't, in regards to the D. Definitely off on the record as I believe we'll be lucky to get 5 wins....
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Just read something about maybe picking up Shannahan to be the next HC to try and salvage something with Cutler. Unless we eat his $38 Mil, or can find some sucker to trade for him, we need someone he likes to work with.
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I just cannot see Cutler staying here. I really think he's gone, mentally. He's broken. He is not a leader and makes terrible decisions under pressure. The only thing remaining is his arm and that, directed by errant, panicked thinking, will get us nowhere fast.
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I cant remember the last time I have seen him talk to Trestman on the sidelines. I don't think they are on the same page at all. The coach killer is working on another notch....
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I'd like some of whatever he is on:
Veteran defensive end Jared Allen is as confused as the rest of us.
Perhaps to the point of insanity.
Even with a 3-6 record and a pair of disastrous performances their last two games (in which they allowed 106 points), Allen said he still had hopes for this season.
“It’s tough,” Allen said, via Chris Tomasson of the St. Paul Pioneer Press. “Obviously, it’s not what you foresee. Obviously, I came to Chicago for a reason. I thought we had all the pieces, and we still do. We just have to be consistent. But you know what, we’re still not out of this.”
It’s clearly not what the 32-year-old envisioned when he left Minnesota in free agency, hoping to land with a Super Bowl contender. And even with the Seahawks inquiring, he went to Chicago.
“Heck, if you can hand-pick the Super Bowl team, everybody would try to do that,” Allen said. “Honestly, I prayed about it, prayed about it, and the good Lord led me to Chicago. I’m here for a reason. Whatever that reason is, I keep plugging away.”
He’s also been through a bout of pneumonia earlier this year, making it one to forget for a number of reasons.
“I’m just glad to be healthy again,” he said. “Catching pneumonia, it took me weeks to get back to full strength. . . . I’ve hardly ever been hurt before, and to deal with illness and stuff like that, it’s new to me. But you just push through it and keep sawing wood, and eventually the tree falls.”
Of course, the way the Bears are playing right now, that tree could fall, and no one would hear it.
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I think the good Lord led him here as a step towards retirement.....I definitely don't see a ounce of positive anything with this team.....
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I cant remember the last time I have seen him talk to Trestman on the sidelines. I don't think they are on the same page at all. The coach killer is working on another notch....
Considering the quality of coaches he's had some might call those mercy killings.
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I just cannot see Cutler staying here. I really think he's gone, mentally. He's broken. He is not a leader and makes terrible decisions under pressure. The only thing remaining is his arm and that, directed by errant, panicked thinking, will get us nowhere fast.
Cutler is going to be around here next year, and the year after that. He might even be around to finish his contract.
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Incorrect Billjohn. Cutler = loser. Fumbling, stunbling, intercepting.
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The Bears Can Dump Jay Cutler's Contract After The Season
By Brian Rauf | Nov 10, 2014
There was plenty of blame to go around after the Chicago Bears were dominated by the Green Bay Packers 55-14 on Sunday Night Football, with quarterback Jay Cutler and head coach Marc Trestman shouldering almost all of it. (Even I don't believe this. Cutler is culpable in the loss, yes, but that D is horrendous and Tucker should shoulder the majority of the blame, followed by Trestman who didn't didn't have his team AT ALL prepared to play, and then Cutler.
Most Bears fans are calling for the team to fire Trestman because they signed Cutler to a seven-year, $128 million contract this offseason, $54 million of which is guaranteed.
However, there is a way the Bears can get rid of Cutler and that contract after this season.
The team has the right to cut Cutler in March 2015 for March 2016, stopping the flow of guaranteed money.
If they cut him in March 2015, the team will save $16 million in guaranteed money. If they wait until March 2016, the team will save only $6 million.
The only problem is that he’s already owed $38 million, which increases to $48 million if they decide to keep him after March.
Chicago could save all of that money by trading him, but there are not many teams that would be willing to take on his contract. Still, the Bears could make the decision that they need to cut their losses and could be looking for a new quarterback next season.
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I think Trestman is smart enough to know whether Cutler is a lost cause or not - but he can't see that Tucker is LOST?
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Trestman might not be around to make that determination.
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The Bears aren’t shaking up their coaching staff in the wake of their most recent disaster and they won’t be making any changes to the starting lineup on defense, either.
Despite becoming the first team since the days of Prohibition to give up more than 50 points in back-to-back games, defensive coordinator Mel Tucker said Wednesday that the same 11 players will be in the starting lineup when the Bears host the Vikings on Sunday. Tucker didn’t do much to sugarcoat the team’s play, saying that “there’s nothing that we’re doing at a good level,” but said he thinks the players that made the mess are the ones to clean it up.
“The answers are in our building,” Tucker said, via the team.
At this point in the season, Tucker’s probably right about that. Unfortunately for him, there is little reason to believe that those answers are going to suddenly become the right ones given the talent, or lack thereof, on hand. That’s not helping anyone’s job security, although Tucker said he wasn’t concerning himself with any pressure other than what he puts on himself.
Whatever the source, the pressure’s heavy in Chicago right now and whatever’s not on head coach Marc Trestman or quarterback Jay Cutler is squarely on Tucker and a defense that makes fewer stops than a non-stop flight.
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I am still in shock and sick to my stomach as to how unprepared TRESTMAN had this team - TWO GAMES IN A ROW!!!!!
And Tucker and the D....HOW IN THE HELL, game after game, we have one player playing man to man and another in cover 2???? AND players not filling their gaps - ALL the time - so the runningback goes to the open gap - pretty simple.
I have heard about 5 times this year from DIFFERENT players saying: "I didn't know what defense we were in"
Pathetic. This team is worse than any Bears tean ever. So unprepared. You have Briggs sleeping in meetings. WTF???
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This club reminds me of Baghdad Bob....'there IS no problem, we have everything under control. Our leaders are tried and true, our staff is fantastic, we know the problems and we are preparing right now as we speak to get to the playoffs and the Super Bowl this season. We have much talent, we are where we want to be and we cannot be defeated.'...... all you can do is shake your head and laugh.....
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Good one Sportster...."We are winning the division" "Everything is under control"
"Apppp, appp We'll be fine....Appppp"
Even goofy Dick Juaron and his lame comments were better than Testman.
This makes you miss Lovie.
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This makes you miss Lovie.
I wouldn't go that far....Lovie is 1-8 in Tampa
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With the GREAT McCown as his QB no less...
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From ESPN-
What's worse, Jay Cutler's 6.0 Total QBR on Sunday night or the fact that it brought his career QBR at Lambeau down by only 0.4 points (8.1 in four starts)?
We absolutely have to get rid of this clown. 1 and frickin 11 against our biggest rival. If you think otherwise, what the hell are you doing a Bears fan?!?? This is suck on the highest level!!!!!!!
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Correct.
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For the record, Trent Dilfer was a slightly below to average NFL QB, and his career as a player does not shadow my comments about an interview I heard from him. On Tennessee sport talk station last night, they were talking about various QBs. When the subject was about Cam Newton, he stated that Rob Chudzinski coached him well at the start of his career, and took his weapon as runner out, only when it was needed. Cam was an emerging monster on the field. However, when Mike Shula came in, he started designing more runs for Cam, which at first was fine. But the hits began to take their toll, and Dilfter felt that we will never see the potential in Newton because of what Shula has done. He said a coach like Holmgren or Reid would have gotten the most out of Newton, Shula has in effect taken years off of the QBs career.
When the discussion turned to Cutler, he said that the Trestman offense is a very synchronized philosophy similar to what Brady or Manning are asked to operate. He stated that is not Cutler's game. Cutler is more of a stick and read type of QB, use his athleticism to get outside of the pocket, limit his reads of what he needs to do... aka, operate in a Mike Shanahan style of offense where he was the most successful. I wish I had the interview taped because, it made a lot of sense to what my eyes are telling me.
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The Dilfer interview
http://www.thegamenashville.com/audio/
If this doesn't open, go to 102.5 Nashville radio and click on the audio link
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I had suggested they bring Shanahan in.
Ottod didn't like the idea because he's won more super bowls than McArthy.
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Phill, 8-8???
8-8???
I had them at 5-11.
All the defense had to be was good this year. Not great, just good. Of course now the offense sucks worse then the defense and the special teams?
Mercy. Garbage.
You're a wise man JBN. Very wise!
I listened to the hype about how this team is supposed to be ready for a (snicker) SUPER BOWL RUN but I still had my doubts about the coach who some sucker say is "the master of protecting the QB" and such other BS about this guy.
With the weapons this team has on offense you would expect this team to put up points but they're bad on offense, defense, and special teams. The players have quit and I doubt we win a game the rest of the way. With New Orleans, Detroit twice, and Dallas coming up I guess I can expect to see games like what we saw last Sunday night. Ugh.....
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I wouldn't go that far....Lovie is 1-8 in Tampa
With the GREAT McCown as his QB no less...
LOL!!! Love the morning comedy.
One team is rebuilding and the other is supposed to be poised for a run in the playoffs and the comparing the two is laughable.
Put Cutler on Tampa Bay and tell me how many games they would've won this year. Such good comedy.....
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From Sportsmockery...interesting comparison:
NFL analyst and former HC Brian Billick said he was seeing more and more Jeff George in the game of Jay Cutler. Was he right? Well in a straight comparison using various stats such as passing, wins and other notable numbers, people may be astounded at just how similar the two players actually are.
Cutler:
- Born in Indiana
- 31 yrs old
- 26,302 yards passing
- 180 TD's
- 122 INT's
- 73 Fumbles
- 61.5 completion %
- 59-54 reg season record
- 1 playoff appearance (1 win)
- 1-11 vs the Packers
- One 4000 yard season
George:
- Born in Indiana
- Retired at 34
- 27,602 yards passing
- 156 TD's
- 113 Int's
- 70 Fumbles
- 57.9 completion %
- 46-78 reg season record (George played 18 more games)
- Two playoff appearances (1 win)
- 1-3 vs the Packers
- One 4000 yard season
A few things to note here before continuing. It's important to remember that George's numbers were collected from his entire career, which spanned 18 more games than Jay has played. Barring that the similarities are striking. George holds a slight advantage in passing yards and playoff success while Cutler is already past him in TD's and wins. However, he's also gained the lead in INT's and fumbles.
Where the numbers really start to get creepy is in the details. Both were 23 when they were drafted. Their greatest calling card was a rocket arm. The teams that took them, Indy and Denver, had to trade up to get them. The first HC's they played for were fired. Neither made the playoffs till they were traded to the new team. Each has one career playoff win and one career win against the Green Bay Packers. They also were both knocked out of the playoffs by the Packers.
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Brandon Marshall is...
If this idiot would save his energy for the field instead of the fan, maybe they would start winning.
This why Marc Trestman and Phil Emery need to be fired because the leadership the respect and accountability has gone out the door. NowBrandon Marshall is challenging fans to fights an embarrassing the organization and the city more than it already needs.
I'm pretty sure I hate every player on this team, especially that little worm Trestman.
3-13 is really possible.
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I have felt the same way about the similarity between George and Cutler, sportster.
Neither one is "the man". Lack of leadership.
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I have felt the same way about the similarity between George and Cutler, sportster.
Neither one is "the man". Lack of leadership.
Packy,
Define : clusterfuck.
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From Sportsmockery...interesting comparison:
NFL analyst and former HC Brian Billick said he was seeing more and more Jeff George in the game of Jay Cutler. Was he right? Well in a straight comparison using various stats such as passing, wins and other notable numbers, people may be astounded at just how similar the two players actually are.
Cutler:
- Born in Indiana
- 31 yrs old
- 26,302 yards passing
- 180 TD's
- 122 INT's
- 73 Fumbles
- 61.5 completion %
- 59-54 reg season record
- 1 playoff appearance (1 win)
- 1-11 vs the Packers
- One 4000 yard season
George:
- Born in Indiana
- Retired at 34
- 27,602 yards passing
- 156 TD's
- 113 Int's
- 70 Fumbles
- 57.9 completion %
- 46-78 reg season record (George played 18 more games)
- Two playoff appearances (1 win)
- 1-3 vs the Packers
- One 4000 yard season
A few things to note here before continuing. It's important to remember that George's numbers were collected from his entire career, which spanned 18 more games than Jay has played. Barring that the similarities are striking. George holds a slight advantage in passing yards and playoff success while Cutler is already past him in TD's and wins. However, he's also gained the lead in INT's and fumbles.
Where the numbers really start to get creepy is in the details. Both were 23 when they were drafted. Their greatest calling card was a rocket arm. The teams that took them, Indy and Denver, had to trade up to get them. The first HC's they played for were fired. Neither made the playoffs till they were traded to the new team. Each has one career playoff win and one career win against the Green Bay Packers. They also were both knocked out of the playoffs by the Packers.
George was hated by his teammates in college (2 different Universities) and Pro. I have never heard that about Cutler.
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Yea, I remember him definately having conflicts with teammates. But Cutler's headed that direction with his play. Seems there's some discontent with it already, not so much with him but his play. It's a different type of issue....
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Expect Rich Gannon to be tough on Jay Cutler Sunday
By Ed Sherman,
Special to the Tribune
Expect Rich Gannon to have some sharp comments about the Bears and Jay Cutler if they struggle Sunday..
Gannon will work with Kevin Harlan on CBS’ coverage of the Bears-Minnesota on WBBM-Ch. 2 at noon.
Earlier this week, the analyst said the Bears need to make a change at quarterback on “Monday QB” on CBS Sports Network.
“If I were Marc Trestman I’d sit Jay Cutler,” Gannon said.
Of the Bears’ 55-14 loss to Green Bay, Gannon said, “It was embarrassing. This is a team that wasn’t ready to play. They lost the last four-out-of-five, and they’re coming off of a bye. They came out last night and they were flat. Jay Cutler was awful. He turned it over three times – two interceptions and a fumble in the pocket. It bothered me that they weren’t ready to play.”
Former Notre Dame quarterback Steve Beuerlein, also appearing on the show, agreed with Gannon’s assessment.
“You have to consider (benching Jay Cutler). I don’t think it will happen at this point, but the performance speaks,” Beuerlein said. “You look at the last two weeks. They’ve been down 45-0 last night, 45-7 to the New England Patriots two weeks ago. This is embarrassing. They are a talented football team that should be able to produce and score points. It starts at the top with the quarterback. He has to step up, make some plays and get this team in the right direction.”
Just a reminder: Even though Fox typically airs NFC match-ups, the game will be on CBS because of a new arrangement with the networks to switch games this year. CBS also will televise the Bears-Detroit game on Thanksgiving Day.
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Jay Cutler's future with Bears suddenly uncertain
David Haugh
Apparently, Jay Cutler really doesn't listen to the radio or read the newspaper — or else he would have known without asking..
"What bad habits are we referring to?" Cutler answered Thursday at Halas Hall when asked the chances of improving them.
An audience of sports-talk callers could have recited the familiar list quicker than the assembled media did: heaving passes off his back foot, dropping the ball level, locking in on receivers, throwing into double coverage. Time and space considerations prevent publishing the entire list.
"Yeah, I mean, I think whenever I play well and win football games, (good) things happen," Cutler conceded. "So everybody can change."
Jay Cutler, optimist — it's not a bad look.
But can everybody really change? Six seasons into his Bears tenure, Cutler's actions defy his words. His inability to change from the same maddening quarterback he was the day he arrived in 2009 has helped turn a promising 2014 season into a study in regression.
Blame for a 3-6 record spreads to every corner of the Bears locker room, but a significant portion sits in front of No. 6's stall because, fair or not, that's the way it works for NFL quarterbacks. Even Cutler accepts that. Forget the gaudy passing statistics; Cutler has committed 15 turnovers. He has been inconsistent enough to consider benching, if the Bears had a backup worthy of starting. With due respect to Jimmy Clausen, they don't.
In short, the league's highest-paid player this year at $22.4 million looks like its worst bargain through nine games. As a result, the guy who achieved financial security last offseason suddenly faces career uncertainty he never has experienced. The Bears' abrupt descent under coach Marc Trestman assures Cutler nothing about the future except the $54 million his contract guarantees.
If the Bears replace Trestman or general manager Phil Emery or hire a football guy to oversee operations as team president — all options Chairman George McCaskey must consider over the remaining seven weeks — Cutler's stability vanishes. A new coach or GM might want to find a creative way to unload Cutler or draft his eventual replacement. Assume nothing about the organizational hierarchy if the Bears continue to lose at this rate.
Whoever's in charge in 2015, the Bears would be foolish to head into next year making every decision based on Cutler after taking that tack since 2012 has failed to produce a postseason berth. That's why hearing the name of former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who drafted Cutler, during speculation about Trestman's successor made little sense.
The Bears' next plan to win need not cater to a mercurial 31-year-old quarterback, no matter his salary. Those days should be over. Potentially, Chicago could be watching the beginning of the end of the franchise quarterback's hold on the franchise.
Just when Cutler seems to be improving his grasp on everything the job entails.
"We just have to get better, and it starts with me," Cutler said at another news conference that proved he can accept coaching, albeit from PR professionals better than quarterback whisperers.
Let's just say Cutler has not had a 3-6 season on the podium, for what little that's worth. On Thursday, Cutler again held himself accountable, spoke humbly, made eye contact and connected while discussing everything from loving his "guys in the huddle" to losing confidence in himself.
"Whenever you're losing, your confidence is going to be a little bit lower," Cutler said. "If you go into the game with low confidence, you don't have a chance in this league."
To help the Bears offense regain it, Cutler plans to speak louder in the huddle Sunday and interact with teammates more during the week. The quarterback who never has ranked among the league leaders in respect vowed to do whatever is necessary to lead the Bears out of this abyss.
"You have to go with a fine-tooth comb and just nitpick on every little detail," Cutler said. "Nothing is too small, nothing can be overlooked."
And no subject was dismissed by a guy whose body language has been studied enough that we all have honorary degrees in Cutler-ese.
On the scathing criticism from former players ranging from Brian Urlacher to Rich Gannon, who wrote the foreword to Trestman's book "Perseverance"?
"It comes with the territory," Cutler said. "The only way to remedy that is to win."
On the pressure of losing three straight?
"You can definitely feel it," Cutler said.
On the possibility of Bears fans booing a team that hasn't won at Soldier Field in 11 months — and hasn't won a home game Cutler started since Oct. 10, 2013?
"We can't blame them if we don't start fast," Cutler said.
On so-called fans burning his No. 6 jersey?
"It's not the first time," Cutler said, subtly flashing his only dirty look of the day.
Old habits die hard. Come to think of it, that's the story of Cutler's season.
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Jeff George!!! Yes!!! Same attitude.
“If I were Marc Trestman I’d sit Jay Cutler,” Gannon said. - YES!!! Please.
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Packy,
Define : clusterfuck.
Not in my vocabulary.
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Not in my vocabulary.
We are going to work on your word skills defining CHICAGO BEARS. :D
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Bears find a gem to help on their Dline! I sure hope he does well....honestly don't think he can do any worse....
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpcx13DWCn1qlsh4u.jpg)
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Cant wait to see if we come out and just lay down at home again.
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Showing that play where Cutler carelessly chased down the interception.....just another nail in his coffin....
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Again....Bears should win this one handily, but 'should' does not motivate this team, at all. In fact, I know nothing that motivates this team. I expect them to lie down and lose by at least 14.....
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Jeff H, since you nailed the score on the head last game, what's the score gonna be this one? My guess: Vikes 33 Bears 17
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Cutler again, throwing into double coverage, doesn't see the safety...this guy is so broken....should have been another int
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3rd penalty against Bears already. Massive confusion on the offense.....clown car posse...
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LOL!! Cutler with unsportsmanlike conduct! Yep, falling apart all over the place....
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Can someone describe what sounds like a bizarre play?
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Watch Goulde miss it.
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He did!
Unreal!
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You nailed it, Peke...the wheels have come completely off this clusterf of a team....
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Even Gould sucks
Come on Vikings. Bash their skulls in please.
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The Bears are moving the ball but are killing themselves with penalties.
The defense even had them stopped except for a penalty. To late in the season for that ****.
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I knew he was going to miss it....
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D holds then ST gives up the fake. Man these guys suck.
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Vikes,beat the living crap outta these clowns! It's about the only way we're gonna get any needful change on this crap team....
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10-0 Vikings.
*sigh*
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walk in touchdown. This is simply passed stupid.
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Should have just kept Lovie if this all they can muster up.
Wannstedt would be an improvement over that worm we have.
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Bad news Bears is dead on correct.....fumbling, bumbling, and finally, crumbling....
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Can't see the game..just able to see Red Zone. It looks like Minny got away with a push in the back on that fake punt. Not that it matters...
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Can't see the game..just able to see Red Zone. It looks like Minny got away with a push in the back on that fake punt. Not that it matters...
I saw the same thing. I'm watching on Wiziwig. Not great but it's watchable.
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nice pass by Cutler
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Good drive and nice play by Cutler.
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And no penalties
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D holds them to 3 and out.
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Now drive down and score again. Obviously they can move the ball on these guys....
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this **** team is so **** badly coached.. Unreal!!
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Stupid azz penalties!
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Terrible!! Just **** terrible!!
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Finally a penalty against the Vikings.
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They are so **** stupid
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Another three and out for the D and the ST commit another penalty giving up excellent field position.
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TD BEARS!!!
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I'm thinking that by the time it's said and done we win easily..
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Wow...how bad are the Queens that they're getting beat by this team??!
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The Vikings are horrible...
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Yes they are..
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why the **** are they letting the clock go... WTF???
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**** Cutler!!
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First Cutler int. Stupid time management. This team is barely beating a horrific Queens team who barely has a QB and no one to throw to.....at home....
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can I take back my "win easily"
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The more I hear Trestman the more I dislike him..
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That clock management before end of half summarizes why Trestman sucks as a head coach. Anybody who watches NFL knows that the last drive before the half can win or lose you the game. Maybe if your up by 20 you let time run down not when your up by 4. These coaches are clowns.
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That TD catch by Marshall was just sick. Then the dunderhead INT by Jay. It was almost like he did it on purpose.....that pass was WAY short of Jeffery. It is almost like they are trying to keep the score down, and lose in the end. Which I think the Vikes could pull out a win.....doesn't Bridgewater have a couple of last minute winning drives?
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That TD catch by Marshall was just sick.
Who threw it?
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Seriously, you didn't go there......good grief. 'Who threw it', LOL!! HEY, your boy Cutty threw a good ball! Better get a pic quick before he @%@#'s it up again!!
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stupid play calling
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Seriously, you didn't go there......good grief. 'Who threw it', LOL!! HEY, your boy Cutty threw a good ball! Better get a pic quick before he @%@#'s it up again!!
294 passing yards w/ 2 td's early in the 3rd. yeah, he's really screwing up
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You were saying?
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I'll take 300 yards and 2 td's anytime.
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I cant get the game so I don't know what your announcers are saying but red zone announcers said it looked like Bennett ran the wrong route
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So two decent drives in the second half and zero points. This is your Bears' "big boy" offense
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He's killed his team's drives three times and just put Minnesota in position to take the lead despite the Bears dominating the stats. Only the Vikings' ineptitude allows the Bears to remain in front.
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Yes the idiot color guy blamed it on Cutler, but it did seem clear that Cutler never should have thrown that ball
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Great run by Forte. He broke 4 tackles on that play to gain 32 yds.
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Our lack of a RB that can get a tough yard isn't helping either. We should have been able to punch it instead of that stupid QB run playcall
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It was a blitz. Bennet should of been looking for the quick throw.
That said Cutler should have never thrown it. Some times is best to just throw it away.
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First down Forte!
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TD BEARS!
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lol, Marshall has to wave to Cutler. HEY knucklehead! Notice me over here!!
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Actually got to see some extended Bears coverage on Red Zone and the announcers. I can see why they blamed Cutler rather than Bennett. It's Rich Gannon on the call. If you have ever listened to his afternoon radio show on Serious radio NFL channel he hates Cutler more than Sporty.
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This team almost never let's you breath easy do they?
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They've left, what...17 points on the field?
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BEARS WIN!!!
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If you want to see some stupid play calling you should be watching the Giants/49ers. Eli with his 5th int of the day. 4 passes from the 4 yard line. Not even an attempt at a run and the clock was not a factor.
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Well it is always nice to win, but our draft pick just dropped.
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Who do you want to daft that they'll miss out on?
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We beat a horrible team, YEAAAA! Sorry, not dancin in the streets. They played against a rookie QB with no targets and it came down to the last few plays of the game. Cutler, again, threw up 2 int's. Even the guys post game are saying this game should not have been this close and that Cutler is still screwing up. All we know at this moment is the Bears are 4 wins into a 10 game so far season and that sucks!!!
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We beat a horrible team, YEAAAA! Sorry, not dancin in the streets. They played against a rookie QB with no targets and it came down to the last few plays of the game. Cutler, again, threw up 2 int's. Even the guys post game are saying this game should not have been this close and that Cutler is still screwing up. All we know at this moment is the Bears are 4 wins into a 10 game so far season and that sucks!!!
Nothing quite like a "fan" who is not happy when we win
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our punter really sucks, and we spent a draft pick on him
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You go on and be happy with this, Keys. It's meaningless and against a terrible opponent but I'm guessing you're a Cubs fan so you're used to it...
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You go on and be happy with this, Keys. It's meaningless and against a terrible opponent but I'm guessing you're a Cubs fan so you're used to it...
I'm always happy when my team wins including the Cubs.
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Don't worry Sporty. I know that Cutler is inconsistent and the Bears are not very good this year. You will have ample opportunity to celebrate a bad game by Cutler and a Bears loss. Put that champagne on ice.
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Damn right, keys! **** on the haters!
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When a team is playing the worst football of any team in the league, and gets a win against a team with a better record, that's a good thing.
They converted a lot of third downs, held the other offense in check.
you have to build on something.
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LOL! Well, I guess the koolaide drinkers are out in full force....that's alright. It's a win. Celebrate something other than a blowout for a change...
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Being happy when your team wins makes you a Kool-aid drinker? You are a strange bird Sporty.
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So Sporty did you watch the game, if so whY?
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What do you want from Bears going forward???
Tribune Poll
http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-vote-bears-going-forward-20141116-htmlstory.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-vote-bears-going-forward-20141116-htmlstory.html)
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What are the Bears doing winning now?
Steve Rosenbloom
Of course the Bears won Sunday..
The Bears won because it was the wrong thing to do, and the Bears have a knack for doing the exact wrong thing this season.
The Bears didn’t improve to 4-6 in this miserable season as much as they screwed up a chance for an excellent draft pick for Phil Emery’s successor next year.
Going into Sunday’s game, the Bears had a three percent chance of making the playoffs, according to FiveThirtyEight’s Elo ratings. I can’t do math and probabilities, but I figured that left the Bears with a 97 percent chance of getting a good draft pick, probably in the top 10. A loss would’ve helped that cause.
But no. When it’s advantageous to lose, the Bears win.
The Bears redefined losing the last two weeks. They produced historically humiliating losses. They had lost three in a row overall, and looked like they were headed to a fourth straight, if not also headed to Marc Trestman’s firing before the end of the first quarter.
Trestman’s unfocused and undisciplined team committed four penalties on the first couple series, two of them potentially taking points off the board. The Bears drew a couple presnap flags, natch, and a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct on Jay Cutler, their supposed leader who lost his temper when the Bears were near the red zone, just the type to help a team get into the top five of the draft.
The Bears gave up 10 points early thanks to getting suckered on a fake punt that gained 52 yards and led to a TD, then experienced Trestman’s customary confounding clock management and play-calling.
First, Trestman’s offense showed no urgency to score at the end of the first half. Leading only 14-10 and having 65 seconds and a timeout, Trestman didn’t seem to want to try to the 50 yards or so needed for at least a field goal.
Then, on the first drive of the third quarter, Trestman called a quarterback keeper on fourth-and-goal at the 1.
To recap, the Bears had the bigger receivers who were winning jump balls and Matt Forte was averaging 4.4 yards per carry. But Trestman chose to unnecessarily expose his most important player to yet another concussion, especially when Cutler got whacked in the head as he failed to score.
Throw in Cutler’s regularly scheduled interceptions, and you had the Bears smartly swan-diving in the NFL’s toilet.
But the Vikings were worse and dumber.
Teddy Bridgewater looked like a rookie, and the Vikings didn’t have a running game to help him out. The Bears defensive linemen beat the Vikings all day and the whole unit tackled like adults most of the time. Yeah. Sure. Now they do it, when the alternative we’ve seen all season would’ve been more productive in the future.
But the Vikings gave the game to the Bears by inexplicably insisting on playing man-to-man coverage, even though every defense killed Cutler and the Bears with zone schemes.
Vikings cornerback Josh Robinson was the mark all day, and that man-to-man coverage was how Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery caught 18 passes for 225 yards and three touchdowns.
The Bears had no choice, I guess. The did the typically stupid thing of winning Sunday when it hurts most the way they lost earlier when there was an actual season worth playing for.
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It's the same crap that used to drive all of us (except Keys, Dave and Dave and prob Peke...nah, even Peke was ticked back then) crazy. Make sure you're out of the hunt and THEN start winning to fk up the draft slot. Wanny used to do it, Jauron did it and now Trestman is doing it. Trib says Bears have a 3% chance of making the playoffs. Virtually impossible. So yea, start winning to raise our draft slot.
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Anyone including that writer that hopes for losses has no business calling themselves a fan.
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For those (Keys) who chose not to look at the vote I posted, here it is in all its glory:
VOTE: What do you want from Bears going forward?
More wins to help restore respectability. 45.91%
More losses so they will have to clean house. 54.09%
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Anyone who states Emery is getting fired as a bygone conclusion is delusional. I would place that at about a 1% chance right now.
Hell I doubt Trestman gets fired at the end of the season. I am not even certain Tucker and the ST coach are going to get fired although I am all in favor of it.
Sporty I never root for the Bears to lose. Can't do it. Even if it was the last game of the season they were already out of the play offs and a loss would assure them the #1 pick in the draft I would still root for them to win. That is just the way I am hard wired. In that instance I sure wouldn't blast anyone else for rooting for them to lose though.
Until the Bears are eliminated from the play offs they need to try and win every single game. **** the draft position.
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and your point is? Hoping for your team to lose is a good thing? Granted I am less upset with late season losses when we are clearly out of it because it does improve draft position but I NEVER have cheered for an opponent or hoped for Bear losses.
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Looking at the schedule I see the Bears ending up 7-9 maybe 8-8. They will have a pretty good draft pick. No need to lose games on purpose.
We do not want a 3 or 4 win season. That kind of season can ruin teams for years.
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Yes, hoping for your team to lose to help them in the long run IS a good thing, much like removing cancer may hurt but can save a life. If you're happy with the state of this team, then you enjoy them winning with the staff they have, albeit against a much inferior opponent and that, down to the wire. Just to let you know, in case you've forgotten, we just enjoyed two major blowout losses prior to this one win. Those losses helped knock us out of the race. The defensive coordinator is a major problem. If you enjoy this kind of thing, then you won't want to shake the boat or see any changes. I, personally, DON'T!! So, yea, you betcher azz I want them to lose to get RID of the issues that are CAUSING us to lose so we do not lose in the future!! I am not one bit happy with getting blown out by our biggest rival because we have **** for brains at DC!!!!! Maybe you are.....I am not.....
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Yeah...this is exactly like cancer....
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Yea, I figured you didn't get it and never will.....
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Oh I get it all right. I just hope for wins which using your questionable analogy would mean that maybe their isn't any cancer. I would prefer that diagnosis as opposed to hoping for cancer so that you can treat it..
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Beat someone other than the Queens, you got a point. Let's see how they do vs the Lions, shall we? Nah, again I guess we're conveniently forgetting the last two blowouts and all those home losses. We're evidently forgetting a whole lotta bad stuff that's happened....
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That makes no sense. I'm hoping for the patient to show improvement. You are hoping for the patient to get worse so you can operate. But that whole analogy is silly. Fans shouldn't hope for their teams to lose...for any reason. If they do they are really not fans.
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What you aren't getting is the patient has already EXPIRED. What you're seeing now are just the after death spasms. Winning against the Queens doesn't prove anything. I'm not sure this is getting through. Again, remember what's happened already and let's see what happens after this game. IF they start showing marked improvements, like actually beating a viable NFL team in the next few weeks....how did I get in this foolish discussion?? I've seen this team's latest performances with my eyes open. They need surgery......BIG time surgery....
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The Bears can't beat teams with good offenses because our defense is **** terrible. Our offense makes way to many mistakes to be able to win a shoot out. You can't over come penalty after penalty against good teams. It is not one guy making the mistakes either. It seems everyone takes turns **** up.
I did like how Wilson played. Certainly an improvement over Holmes. He was actually running the correct routes and catching the ball when it was thrown his way.
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Well I am officially a B. Arians homer. The Cardinals beating Detroit with their back up QB. Best record in the NFL. I don't know how it all went down with him and the Bears but I am pretty sure we could of had him if we wanted to....but nope we got Trestman....luck us.
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So I think we win 1, maybe 2 more games all year. I would say we beat Lovie next week, and the Vikes at their temp house, maybe. Other than that, I see the Lions mauling us twice, the Saints and Cowboys smoking us. I have always been a die hard fan, but I think major changes are needed, and the better the draft pick we have, the better it might help us.
As I was watching this game I was in a win/win situation. We win, and it is good, we lose, and it improves our draft pick. I hate that, but have invested way too much for too long, and have to look at it that way to keep some sanity.
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That was a bad team beating a worse one and we all know it. Tucker goes soft prevent as soon as he can justify it, driving me insane with rage. THAT's the first guy fired. Rosenbloom has been a trib columnist forever, and I think really is a Bear fan. He's venting. Had enough of current staff and management. We've all seen it before. And yes, you have to wonder what the hell Cutler is throwing to
alot of times. Back to the Wanny times again.
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I for one hate the Vikings, and my team won, so.. woopie!! I'm not breaking out the champagne, that's for sure.. The score should've been 35 to 10. The Bears are terrible... Get rid of Tucker and start the D over. The O isn't much better.. But yes, a win is always better than a loss (I never root for a loss)..
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....how did I get in this foolish discussion??
You were unhappy that your team won...
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Just think, Keys, one more win might get them to keep your fav guy, Tucker the pretend D Coordinator! Then we can go round this fricking merry go round all over again NEXT year! >:( You just do not get it......
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They are allowed to fire people even if they win. Lovie was fired so anything is possible.
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We went for years with terrible teams when Wanny was coach before anyone got fired. Lovie got fired when he was no longer producing.
I am guessing Emery gets one more year. Probably Trestman as well. Unless we see vast improvement from the D I am guessing Tucker is fired.
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No way do they not fire Tucker.. He'll be the sacrificial lamb, as he should be..
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Someone said Trestman is 11-14 in wins and losses - same record Lovie - and Ditka had in their first 25 games...
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Woo Hoo! That thrills the snot out of me.
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Just think, Keys, one more win might get them to keep your fav guy, Tucker the pretend D Coordinator! Then we can go round this fricking merry go round all over again NEXT year! >:( You just do not get it......
That's weak even for you. That's a Jes move to make up a position and claim I said it. Show me where I ever said I want to keep Tucker or don't want changes. But then again it's what I would expect from a fair weather fan trying to justify cheering for the opposition.
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Someone said Trestman is 11-14 in wins and losses - same record Lovie - and Ditka had in their first 25 games...
Ok, so now we are going to make the superbowl in a couple of years. LOL
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And Santa Claus, the Tooth Feiry, and the Easter Bunny come 24/7/365. >:(
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HaHa - good strategy there...
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/46196/Mike-Zimmer-on-Soldier-Field---The-clocks-here-are--expletive--/Default.aspx
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Part of the reason Gannon has been bashing Cutler is because he is the biggest Trestman apologist next to Emery. It was funny hearing him being beside himself with Tresty's patented "should we or shouldn't we try to score at the end of the half" clusterfuck drives without calling him out by name. Just like the GB home game, 468 total yards and they should have had way more points. I'm fine going for it on 4th down near the goalline, but running a bootleg with a QB going headfirst into the endzone with his concussion history is Tresty being cute again. Hand off to one of the best RBs in the NFL or play jumpball against the Queen's dwarfs would have been a better move IMO. Minny fans are already wondering if Bridgewater is the next Ponder.
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End of the first half was a real head scratcher. And when Cutler tried to run it in on 4th and goal it was like "who the ****'s calling these plays".. The offense has sucked beyond belief, and with plenty of talent. Right now my real beef is with the D, Tucker has got to go, period..
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Guess over half the Bear fans are "fair weather fans" according to this poll...
VOTE: What do you want from Bears going forward?
More wins to help restore respectability. 42.35%
More losses so they will have to clean house. 57.65%
It could be they just want the detritus hurting the team OFF the team so they can improve.....what a novel thought, ehh Keys....
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The Raiders, Browns, Titans, name your bottom dweller, have been bad for many years. The Browns are starting to come to life. All I am saying is that high draft picks don't guarantee a big turnaround.
I like it when the Bears win. It improves my week!
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I like it when the Bears win. It improves my week!
Now there's somebody that gets it. That's a fan!!!!
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I'll never pull for them to lose. Okay, maybe if we are looking at the opportunity to draft Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck. That would be it...
Losing year after year doesn't guarantee a better stocked team. The Patriots are the model to reach.
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The Raiders, Browns, Titans, name your bottom dweller, have been bad for many years. The Browns are starting to come to life. All I am saying is that high draft picks don't guarantee a big turnaround.
I like it when the Bears win. It improves my week!
I like your thinking, Griz. Players win, not schemes. Draft wisely and you don't need all high draft choices.
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The frustrating thing for me is the stupid penalties we are seeing. The Bears had WAY more talent on the field then the Vikings yet barely won due to mistakes.
When playing with even talent they get beat due to those mistakes and when playing superior talent they get blown out.
Also it is not one mistake or one player. It is lots of different players making a lot of different mistakes.
It has been a frustrating season.
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Have the Lions begun their late season swoon?
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It's been a terrible season! I get no joy out of meaningless wins unless we're stringing them together to finally get it turned around, which by the looks of this win, we most definately are not. It was about the ugliest win I've seen in awhile. Still doing stupid things, Cutler still throwing off his back foot, into coverage, int's. Still stupid penalties. Time management was horrific. Missed another FG. ST's suck. No, I get no joy out of beating a team worse than us and stupid to boot. Every team has been beating us using zone D. Vikes, for whatever reason, go man to man and our wideouts make plays. Now, are the VIKES throwing the season to get a higher pick?? You could argue that most definately if they're DC is THAT stupid to play man and not zone when every team that's beaten us ridiculously bad has used zone.
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Someone said Trestman is 11-14 in wins and losses - same record Lovie - and Ditka had in their first 25 games...
Don't know if that's true or not BUT Smith and Ditka were rebuilding while Trestman has a playoff team ready to go since he's been here and we've witnessed regression instead of progress. The team is poorly coached on all phases of the game (offense, defense, special teams) and that falls squarely on Trestman the "offensive guru" and "the master at protecting the QB". Fire him and his staff as far as I'm concerned. That goes for Emery too.
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The team lacks discipline, that falls squarely on coaching..
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Doesn't everyone know on the QB keeper, Rest man was trying to get Cutler injured so he could sit him
;-)
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Don't know if that's true or not BUT Smith and Ditka were rebuilding while Trestman has a playoff team ready to go since he's been here and we've witnessed regression instead of progress. The team is poorly coached on all phases of the game (offense, defense, special teams) and that falls squarely on Trestman the "offensive guru" and "the master at protecting the QB". Fire him and his staff as far as I'm concerned. That goes for Emery too.
I can agree with everything except the part about Trestman inheriting a playoff ready team. He inherited an aging defense which in my opinion is our biggest problem. With that said I have no problem cleaning house but I would include Ted Phillips in that house cleaning as well.
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I'm pretty sure Emery and the Bears higher ups saw the blow out games and the other games lost that should have been one .
Winning any games the rest of the season doesn't reverse what's happened.
They'll make their decision with the full knowledge of how this season has crapped out.
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You can bet that Phillips isn't going anywhere. I'd **** can Tucker, give Trestman another year. I would do some tweaking on offense (we need a speed burner at WR), and that's about it. I would throw everything including the kitchen sink into the defense. I know this isn't popular but oh well, I would hire Rex Ryan (he for sure will get fired this off season). We need someone that can run the defense so Trestman can focus on the offense. One big problem Trestman has, is getting Cutler to buy back into the system.
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No "big name" defensive coordinators are going to come and coach Trestman's last year. Remember when Lovie couldn't get anyone but Martz? Same thing.
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Mike Martz wasn't a big name coordinator?
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No, he was a fall back plan after the Bears spent a month interviewing OC candidates.
I like this line from PFT back then...
"The coach that no one wanted finally has gotten the job that no one wanted."
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I would spend some money or a draft pick on the oline also.
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I would agree. Bushrod hasn't looked too great, and Mills was not looking good although injured. DeLaPuente should fill in for Garza, hopefully Slauson comes back healed and Long stays healthy.
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Seems every draft needs at least one Dlineman and one Olineman drafted. Just the way it is with trying to keep a up to date, healthy lineup....
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Has anyone seen the last six games played yet ?
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I can agree with everything except the part about Trestman inheriting a playoff ready team. He inherited an aging defense which in my opinion is our biggest problem. With that said I have no problem cleaning house but I would include Ted Phillips in that house cleaning as well.
Uh, he inherited a 10-6 team when he took over the Bears! On top of that Emery upgraded the offensive line and even got a quality TE to boot. With Jeffrey, Marshall, Bennett, and Forte no way you can say this wasn't a playoff ready team the year The Guru took over as HC. Trestman was hired to improve the offense and make Cutler an elite QB but he's failed miserably.
As for your assessment about the Guru inheriting an "aging" defense, that "aging" defense ranked 5th in the entire league in total defense in 2012. The 2012 defense led the league in takeaways and ranked 3rd in the fewest points allowed. In other words Trestman inherited a damn good defense when he took over and it went to crap under his watch.
If I'm not mistaken the only "aging" defensive player that played defense for the Bears when Trestman took over were Briggs, Peppers, and Tillman. I don't buy the "aging" excuse for the defense at all.
Fire Trestman, Emery, and I agree with you in throwing Ted Phillips out the door too.
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I do agree about a aging defense. Tillnut's been out all season, Briggs has been out half of it and really he's been ineffective the rest. Pepper's is gone on to greener pastures and there's been a crapload of turnover on the Dline. I think Tucker is alot at fault because of his failure to scheme and to get the absolute most out of his players. The other problems are hit on some picks, not so much on others including the FA's. That Dlineman Young has been a very good acquisition, not so much Allen and Houston who neither have had much to any impact at all. The draftees on the line have had no impact. Our LB's have been shuffled so much they should work in Vegas. And the secondary is just simply horrendous with the only glimmer of hope being Fuller. Now, we can ask WTH has Jennings gone? Why are they sticking with a ineffective MLB? Why didn't they draft a safety higher? There's some things that really make you scratch your head. Tucker didn't get anything out of the squad he had last season, including Peppers, and this season it's the same BS. This guy has to go.....
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Tucker has to go, that is a given. The question is how much further up the chain needs to go with him...
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I agree about the aging defense. It has been brutal.
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Oh and Phill you left out one thing in your needs list....bring back Lovie Smith. >:(
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Uh, he inherited a 10-6 team when he took over the Bears! On top of that Emery upgraded the offensive line and even got a quality TE to boot. With Jeffrey, Marshall, Bennett, and Forte no way you can say this wasn't a playoff ready team the year The Guru took over as HC. Trestman was hired to improve the offense and make Cutler an elite QB but he's failed miserably.
As for your assessment about the Guru inheriting an "aging" defense, that "aging" defense ranked 5th in the entire league in total defense in 2012. The 2012 defense led the league in takeaways and ranked 3rd in the fewest points allowed. In other words Trestman inherited a damn good defense when he took over and it went to crap under his watch.
If I'm not mistaken the only "aging" defensive player that played defense for the Bears when Trestman took over were Briggs, Peppers, and Tillman. I don't buy the "aging" excuse for the defense at all.
Fire Trestman, Emery, and I agree with you in throwing Ted Phillips out the door too.
All three of those players took a dive after that season. Age and injuries took their toll. Wouldn't have mattered if Papa Bear came back from the grave to coach. Father time is undefeated.
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BUT....you compare what Peppers has done this year in GB to what he did last year here.....he is a total jag off for not trying. So how many others are not trying also? I would say Briggs for sure, Jennings maybe, any other Lovie loyalists????
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Maybe its Tucker they cant tolerate and wont play for
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Bingo:
If you thought Bears players were going to quit on this season, you were wrong.
After allowing more than 50 points in two straight games, no one would have been surprised if members of the Bears’ defense simply went through the motions during the final seven games of the season. Instead, they did the opposite, taking action on their own to correct the problems.
Bears cornerback Tim Jennings said Tuesday on his weekly radio show on 87.7 The Game that the defense held a players-only film session last week in an effort to get all of the position groups on the same page.
“We held more accountability to ourselves,” Jennings said. “We got some of the coaches out of the meeting rooms and we just decided, all right, we’re just going to do this. We’re going to control some of the meetings and put things on ourselves and just communicate with one another as a group instead of as different (position groups).”
The result, Jennings said, was a defense that “just felt better as a unit.” The Bears held the Vikings to just 243 total yards in a 21-13 win, and many players, including veterans like Jennings, Lance Briggs and Jared Allen, played their best games of the season.
“Guys just realized, hey, it’s all on us, we really can’t depend on the coaches or any other outside source coming in and helping us,” Jennings said. “It lies on us. At the end of the day, we’re out there executing the plays and making things happen. So we had to take it upon us. So we had a players-only meeting. The offense did their thing. The defense, we figured out what we need to do, and we had a players-only meeting as film study. We watched film together without the coaches, so we were able to kind of communicate with one another instead of having the coaches telling each and every position.”
In other words, instead of being split up amongst their position groups, the players-only film study allowed the group as a whole to communicate together and learn about what the other position groups were doing too.
“Some of the checks the D-line makes, we never knew anything about them,” Jennings said. “We never knew anything about it, we never knew why they do it. For them to kind of explain and give us reasons why Jared (Allen) might check this because of a different front and different plays they like to run, now we know all that.”
Jennings admitted the idea of a players-only film session was different. It’s somewhat common in sports for struggling teams to hold players-only meetings, but to actually sit down and be proactive by watching film together was unique.
“It was definitely different. It was the first time for me out of my whole nine years that we actually had a meeting like that and it actually was good so hopefully that’s something we build off of and we continue that,” Jennings said.
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Awesome! Fire Tucker and designate a Defensive Captain and they can coordinate the defense.
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Agree!!
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http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dfq13?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=chicago-bears
Not sure if this was posted
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Cutler scores on that call at the goal line if Bushrod blocks his man.
The clock management thing was goofy.
I think they were surprised Forte picked up so many yards on those two runs.
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Awesome! Fire Tucker and designate a Defensive Captain and they can coordinate the defense.
Really????? Players being Defensive Coordinators? That's a radical idea if I heard one. So lets just fire our President and appoint some Dog catcher in Chicago to "coordinate" the operation of the country. Sounds more akin to the inmates running the prison. :o :o :o
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Really? ??? ? Players being Defensive Coordinators? That's a radical idea if I heard one. So lets just fire our President and appoint some Dog catcher in Chicago to "coordinate" the operation of the country. Sounds more akin to the inmates running the prison. :o :o :o
Well ... didn't it WORK ?
I'm all for the players calling the plays. They got the **** done. ;D
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Well the three groups on D have sure played like they don't know what the others are doing (not to mention knowing what they are supposed to be doing themselves.)
There is a some of the "aging defense" operating, and a whole lot of absolutely clueless coaching going on.
Also consider special teams. Under Angelo/Smith they were always great, factoring big in wins. The teams now are horrible liabilities with multiple negative plays each game. The Vikings game may have been their worst yet.
The offense is loaded...and chronically underperforms.
The choices of Trestman....Tucker....De Camillas....all absolute failures. Emery has done a decent job drafting, but these coaches.....not so much.
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Well the three groups on D have sure played like they don't know what the others are doing (not to mention knowing what they are supposed to be doing themselves.)
There is a some of the "aging defense" operating, and a whole lot of absolutely clueless coaching going on.
Also consider special teams. Under Angelo/Smith they were always great, factoring big in wins. The teams now are horrible liabilities with multiple negative plays each game. The Vikings game may have been their worst yet.
The offense is loaded...and chronically underperforms.
The choices of Trestman....Tucker....De Camillas....all absolute failures. Emery has done a decent job drafting, but these coaches.....not so much.
What Jennings said in that piece was revolutionary.
The PLAYERS got it done without coaching.
This could knock the NFL on it's ass if it spreads. 8)
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Yeah, I think it is more of a knock on the D coaches than some new idea.
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Yes....they shouldn't have to exclude the coaches to all get on the same page.
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Yes....they shouldn't have to exclude the coaches to all get on the same page.
Maybe the coaches were what was from them getting on the same page.
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Stelz nailed it. This coaching staff is terrible, everywhere. Clueless and unable to motivate at all. Not to mention they don't correct continual problems. A definate cleaning is needed before next season.
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What Jennings stated for THE CHICAGO BEARS DEFENSE was revolutionary.
If that moves around the NFL ... look out. :o
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I got a lot of LOL's out of this, I hope you do too.
Seriously? The players need the players to explain why this group is doing this and why that group is doing that? Isn’t that the job of, I don’t know, Tucker and his coaches?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-bears-players-only-meeting-20141120-column.html#navtype=outfit
Enjoy. Its a screemer.
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Would love to, but blocked by the trib, can't refresh and get it anymore, cut and paste?
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This is where I read all the Trib and Sun Times articles and other stuff at. http://webwaymonsters.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=1 They cut and paste so you can read it.
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Here ya go 46:
The Bears held a players-only meeting to figure out what?
Steve Rosenbloom
Bears defensive players held a players-only meeting in advance of the game against the Vikings, and then the Bears won their first home game of the year, so I guess we should connect the dots:
The Bears don’t need coaches, and against the Patriots and Packers, you assumed the coaches didn’t make the trips, and if they did, they shouldn’t have been allowed to come back.
Turns out, the meeting called by veteran players wasn’t an insurrection against the coaches, although you could understand if it was. But instead, Jared Allen said, the get-together was suggested by defensive coordinator Mel Tucker.
Specifically, the defensive players held a film session without coaches, and the 21-13 and the verdict marked the fewest points the Bears have allowed during the Marc Trestman administration.
The Bears finally executed one of Tucker’s schemes.
But the more you hear about the meeting, the more you wonder. You know what came out of this meeting of men who are getting paid good, if not great, money to continue playing a game they have played most of their lives?
Player-to-player accountability and an education on how the three levels of the defense work, that's what.
They needed to stress the basics of being a teammate and being a knowledgeable football player. At this point in the season, in their careers and in their lives.
“(Watching film) with the coaches and them coaching you up, you just take the coaching and criticism and move on from it,’’ cornerback Tim Jennings said. “But now, it’s a sense of accountability where we know exactly why the D-line is doing this, why the linebackers are fitting that way in certain situations. It’s about having more accountability with each other.’’
Seriously? The players need the players to explain why this group is doing this and why that group is doing that? Isn’t that the job of, I don’t know, Tucker and his coaches?
I don’t think Jennings meant to imply the coaches aren’t coaching and teaching well, but that’s the way it reads.
Or the players just tune it out the way Lance Briggs described a couple weeks back.
Either way, those are things players already should know. Even if the coaches can’t communicate it the right way, it has to be in the playbook.
Marc Trestman talks about complementary football among the offense, defense and special teams, but apparently the defense couldn’t figure out the complementary strategy of its own unit until just last week. Hoo boy.
I don't know if Bears players will be holding such meetings every week, but maybe that's what they think they need. I think what they really need are more games against teams without NFL quarterbacks.
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Uncheck cookies... (for firefox)
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Someone once said: "Defense is all about DESIRE!"
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Thanks, wishfl.
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Thx guys.
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"Ask and ye shall receive" ;D ;D ;D
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3 and out...good job Bears
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This offense is terrible!!
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This whole team is terrible right now. Not ready to play once again. Stupid mistakes. Ridiculous...
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Did we not learn last week to move Cutler around?
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Sacked 3 times already and hit probably another 5 times. This is on Trestman
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The defense finally puts two decent games together and the offense turns to absolute ****!
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No kidding. What a train wreck!
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pretty soon down 14-0. sickening.
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WTF is the matter with the offense? Stupid penalties, dropped passes, missed assignments.
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MOVE THE POCKET !!! :'(
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Cutler does what well? Move. Throw on the move. All the offense has been designed around a nice comfy pocket and he is getting drilled. I can see it and I am not paid to see it!
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Notice that the pocket moves and Cutler completes to Bennett? is it that difficult?
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10-7 Bears.
Did I hear Fuller is out with a knee injury?
We already lost Briggs to a groin injury for the game.
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Yes Fuller out with a knee they said
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The defense is having a fantastic game. To bad they aren't able to get the turn overs that have been there for the taking.
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How did Paea not get that ball? Great rush, hit and sack tho...
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Tendency much? Forte on a screen Trestman call a better game. Move Cutler
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Terrible series on O
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thats better
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14-10 BEARS!!!
The D finally gets the turn over.
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BASS!
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FORTE!
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That's more like it...turnover and a quick TD!
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Defense is a lot better the last 2 weeks. They had meetings without Tucker....they should keep doing that!
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And they were really good in Atlanta
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Where has this D been all year?
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McCown is still a Bear..
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Nice!
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TD FORTE!!!
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And of course Tucker goes to a soft zone. Of course
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Good pressure by the D line
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Thom Breneaman is against the Bears!
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MCown's getting killed out there...
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To bad we didn't have this pass rush all year...
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Oh for **** sake!
A 20 yd punt! Un **** real.
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winning streak. whoo....hoo.
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Bears win!
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Tampa with 5 more first downs and 160 more yards. 41% to 25% edge on 3rd down conversions.
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https://vimeo.com/112646485 (https://vimeo.com/112646485)
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Forgot to record the game. Was sleeping. Wanted to see the game. Did Cutler play the whole game? He is listed as having only 112 yards passing.
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Yes he did. Offense pretty much sucked except for Forte. It took the Bears D line taking over the game to get the win. McCown is going to be very sore tomorrow.
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McCown got beat up, badly!! Cutler and the O were anemic!!
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Saw the second half, taped the first. McCown got drilled over and over. He is going to be black and blue tom for sure. RE Tucker going soft at the end, bingo. Prevent D is how you prevent a loss. Why cant anyone ever figure that out? Paea had a monster second half.
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I will give Tucker a pass this one time because he did lose Fuller. With an 11 point lead and our D-line playing lights out I can understand going soft while missing their starting corner.
I love that they were stunting. FINALLY!
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Tampa with 5 more first downs and 160 more yards. 41% to 25% edge on 3rd down conversions.
Against the Packers the first game pretty sure we had more first downs. Does that mean we won?
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The thing is we can never get all three phases clicking. It seems we have an O but no ST or D. Or we have D and no ST or O. Or we have St and no O or D.
It is frustrating as hell.
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The offense has very seldom clicked this season..
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112 yards passing is pathetic! Cutler or not, that has to be addressed when we've got some unreal weapons at wideout. This cannot continue....
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112 yards passing is pathetic!
Too bad it wasn't your boy McCown at QB with 112 yards passing and a win. It would have been great game management then right? Take what the Defense gives you.
Too bad we didn't keep the great McCown.
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The O-line couldn't protect Cutler and the WR's were dropping balls plus stupid penalties. The Bears won because the defense played a fantastic game. They could of and should of had two or three more turnovers.
Also in the 3rd quarter the O-line was blowing the Bucs off the line and giving Forte room to run.
I am guessing we will see this team get destroyed in Detroit on Thanksgiving. I don't see a repeat performance by our defense. I do however seeing the Lions getting after Cutler all day and our O doing next to nothing.
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Be afraid, Bears fans. Be very afraid
Steve Rosenbloom
Here's the fear: More bad football might lead to more bad decisions..
The Bears won their second straight game. At home, no less. They struggled to beat a bad Buccaneers team the way they struggled to beat a bad Vikings team the week before.
Any kind of respectable opponent, and the Bears would've been routed. But they got some room-service opponents, and depending how some people in charge think, this might be getting uncomfortable.
The Bears played another joke of a first half on offense. Marc Trestman brought another unprepared, unfocused and inept offense into Soldier Field. In perhaps the worst first half ever played, the Bears were the worse team.
Brandon Marshall killed the first drive with a false start. Nice discipline and leadership. On the second series, the Bears got lucky the Bucs roughed punter, but no matter. They let Jay Cutler get sacked three times in six plays on that drive, the last one a sack-strip that Cutler has mastered in leading the league in turnovers.
The Bears started their third and fourth series at their 45 and midfield, respectively, and gained 22 yards. Total. Still no points.
By the end of a first half in which they trailed 10-0 to a 2-8 team, the Bears piled up 68 yards. Total.
They decided not to play bad and stupid in the second half, scoring three times in the third quarter. They still couldn't put away the Bucs. It again came down to the last series. But they won, and you ought to be afraid, Bears fans, because here’s the scary thought:
The fool’s gold might start to convince the bumbling Bears brass it should let general manager Phil Emery keep his job and let Trestman keep his. It might even convince them to allow Mel Tucker and Joe DeCamillis to be retained.
Two wobbly wins over two bad teams is nothing. You and I know that. But the bumbling Bears brass gets mesmerized by pretty shiny things, even if it’s cubic zirconia.
Two wins a row, which ties the Bears’ season best, whoopee, might further empower what passes for leadership from Cutler and Marshall, seeing as how Trestman has none to speak of.
Cutler’s leadership has been inadequate, while Marshall’s looks fake. They’ve made the playoffs once in 16 combined NFL seasons before this one. We’ve seen enough.
We’ve seen enough of Emery-Trestman, as well. But I fear these victories over bad teams might lead the bumbling Bears brass to make bad decisions. More bad decisions, I mean.
The hope is that George McCaskey and Ted Phillips can understand how useless and late this is.
The hope is that the bumbling Bears brass knows that fumbling around .500 is no way to run a championship team.
The hope is they can see how far the Bears are from winning a Super Bowl.
The hope is that winning the Super Bowl remains the object of the exercise.
But there has never been any guarantee that the bumbling Bears brass has a clue. This is, after all, a dysfunctional organization with bad management decisions up and down the flow chart.
The president picked a GM and forced him to keep a coach. The GM picked a coach and made him take some assistants. If you want to call the ownership cheap, go right ahead. There’s no other reason for not giving a GM or coach his own hires. It’s that kind of clown show that drove away Bruce Arians, and have you seen what he has done in Arizona?
That’s the level of success the bumbling Bears brass should demand. That should be the expectation.
But the fear is, with wins like these over bad Vikings and Bucs teams, the Bears will settle. The Bears settle a lot.
The Bears could win on Thanksgiving in Detroit and reach .500. But that won’t happen if they play worse than a 2-8 team, if they play like the joke they have been in so many first halves recently.
But they could win, and the fear is the Bears will consider that an accomplishment, no matter that they’ve looked nothing like a playoff team, not to mention a Super Bowl contender.
If they somehow beat the Lions, you know what kind of prattle you’ll hear:
Look how we’ve rallied. Look how we refused to quit. Look how we’ve turned this around.
You’ve heard it before. The fear is you’ll hear it again. And it will embolden the Bears to do nothing big, nothing close to what’s needed to win a title. Be afraid, Bears fans. Be very afraid.
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Too bad we didn't still have Lovie. We could all be talking about the other coach making halftime adjustments and he just stands around like a drug store Indian and watches the game go down the drain.
Then wast a valuable time out on a stupid replay when you had a whole television time out to have the coaches look at the replay and know you didn't make a first down. Sure could have used that time out when you got the ball back dummy.
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Cutler had 112 yards passing....McCown had 341. Both had a fumble lost. McCown had a couple int's. Are we talking even options here? Does McCown have anything near what Cutler has in recievers?!? C'mon now...even you're brighter than that~!
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Yes McCown has two very good receivers just like Cutler. Cutler was frustrated but other then the fumble he made good decisions while under pressure. McCown should have turned the ball over a whole lot more.
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The hate is comical.
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Do you think Cutler's performance was franchise QB worthy? Just a simple question requiring a simple answer. Do you think it's worthy of highest paid player status?? Answer honestly now....and remember whom they were playing against, where, and their record....
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Cutler could have 250+ yards and 2 TDs but if he loses he sucks regardless.
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You're avoiding the question, Bill......
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Do you think Cutler's performance was franchise QB worthy?
Yes. Without all the drive killing drops and false starts and sacks he would have put up way more stats. Even with all those problems on the offensive line, WRs and TE he won the game. Like a franchise QB is paid to do.
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Wow....Bill, take the navy blue and orange glasses off already! When was the last game Cutler went without a turnover? Do you know? How many 112 yard passing games has Aaron Rodgers had? Against a bad opponent, yet! If you think this was 'franchise QB' acceptable performance....just...wow....there's not a thing anyone can do to convince you otherwise.
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Interesting.....
Would your opinion of Marc Trestman change with another Bears win Thursday?
Yes. 29.02%
No. 70.98%
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OK. I will play your silly little game...
How many 112 yard passing games has Aaron Rodgers had? Against a bad opponent, yet!
vs. Minnisota this year...
12 17 156
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Sporty you didn't even watch the game.
Cutler was under a lot of pressure. He got hit a lot in the first half. He made some bad throws but he also had a lot of well thrown balls dropped that would have kept drives going. Also stupid penalties killed them.
As it has been almost all season lot's of different people kept messing up. We however did not win because of Cutler other then he did not make the big mistake. They won because the defense and Forte played well.
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Sporty - Did you watch any of the game or just commenting on the box score?
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Bill, that's 156, not 112, lol.....but hey, keep trying. Regardless, even attempting to put the two similarly paid players in the same category is completely laughable.
Whether I watched the game or not, those numbers aren't acceptable. Not against a team like Tampa....I shouldn't have to say this but some here are Cutler apologists extraordinaire....
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You hate Cutler that is ok. But don't act like those of us who are taking a realistic view are somehow Cutler apologists. That is beyond ridiculous.
I **** when he **** up and realize when he doesn't. Today it was not because of Cutler the offense did not play well. I believe they went into this game knowing Lovie was wanting Cutler to become a turnover machine and they made a point to not allow that to happen. They played it safe. Instead our defense made McCown the turnover machine and we won.
That is pretty much it in a nut shell. Cutler did not win the game for us but he did not lose it. The Bucs lost the game because they turned the ball over. They could of easily have given it away several more times.
Oh and another thing who else thinks the new return guy is a definite upgrade?
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So Thursday we have a half azzed Bears team going up to the regularly scheduled swooning Loins team. Which will win? Think we all know......
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6-10 2005 Ravens 8 15 65
9-7 2008 TB 14 27 165
7-9 2009 Chi 17 28 184
7-9 2009 Chi 16 24 180
6-10 2000 Det 12 17 181
2-14 2012 Jax 22 35 186
4-12 2012 Det 14 24 173
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Y'all should be used to sporty's dumbassery by now...
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He's just upset again because they won and took all the fun out of it.
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Especially heart breaking was the putrid Bears Defense made his hero look like what he is...
A CAREER BACK UP!
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Peke...Cutler IS a huge part of the offense! And you're not nearly as bad as Wml. You, I think, see the obvious at times. Think you do get swept up in the J Cut trio, though. You're brain is saying 'man, he fricking sucks! WTH?' and with the keyboard, you type something else. That's ok, I get the whole buddy system here. But I'm gonna say the truth and speak up regardless who says/does what. And seriously now...we have to dumb the fking offense down so Cutler doesn't become a turnover machine?!? THIS is what you call a franchise QB?? ::)
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I fully expect the Lions to win because I don't think our defense is this good. Especially with Fuller and Briggs both out. Although Briggs being out might be an upgrade.
Yeah McCown looked bad. Really bad.
Lovie also doing his goofy challenges that cost a time out, no half time adjustments and the drugstore indian stare.
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Ok, I'll play....'Career backup' gets sacked 5 times and hit 13 times, throws for 341 yards..... CUTLER....sacked 3 times, hit 2 times, 112 yards....
Cutler is paid a hundred times more than McCown....Cutler is a supposed 'franchise QB'.....Cutler has never been a backup.....
....and they have to contain him so he doesn't become a turnover machine and lose the game....
You guys are something else....
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@bradbeetham: Jay Cutler, best pass of day? Right before game, threw a towel to my 11yo daughter who is fighting cancer. # classy http://t.co/thjQ2d7rsA
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Cutler has cost the Bears some games this year. No doubt.
He is not Rodgers, or Manning. If given time he is usually pretty good but at times falls apart under pressure. Most QB's do.
As I have said Cutler is part of the problem but not the biggest part. On offense our biggest problem is the O-line.
The defense was amazing today but have been the biggest problem for most of the year. I suspect the Lions will be hitting Cutler early and often and our D will be damn near invisible as the Lions move the ball up and down the field. But I hope I am wrong!
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It's great the D woke up....do you wanna keep Tucker??
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Only if they play like this the rest of the year.
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It's great the D woke up....do you wanna keep Tucker??
Hell no!
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Thank you, Steve....I'm with ya on that
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Against the Packers the first game pretty sure we had more first downs. Does that mean we won?
No, the Bears shot themselves in the feet in that game. That said, the only reason GB didn't have more yards and first downs in that game is because they only had the ball for 23 minutes.
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Tucker sucks ass and has to go, I don't give a **** what he does the rest of the way..
Cutler and the O were pathetic yesterday, especially in the first half. Almost as if Marshall has lost interest..
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Won on a bad non fumble call, take a win however it comes.
I think McCown had very few yards passing the first half and when Briggs went out ...well.... maybe no one to make defensive calls.
Very good game by Paea, Allen, and a Corneleus Washington sighting with a sack and either a hurry or tackle for loss, can't remember.
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Won on a bad non fumble call, take a win however it comes.
What call was that?
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The Vincent Jackson fumble
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That was a real close call, but it looked as if his arm was down simultaneously as the ball was starting to come lose..
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David Bass -- $405,000, 2 game changing plays (Strip sack and last years INT TD v. Ravens)
Lamarr Houston -- $5,040,000, 1 torn ACL
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Yep, Houston turned out to be a worthless turd..
Wonder what Yapper's been up to..
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Something is wrong with Cutler or Trestman's game plan. I've never seen Cutler be so timid throwing the ball down the field. Longest pass play of the game was 26 yards to Bennett - nothing else even close to 20 yards.
Sure the protection wasn't great especially with de la Puente going against McCoy but it was adequate. It's almost like Cutler was afraid to throw anything intermediate let alone deep. Did Lovie and the TB defense just totally shut down our passing game or did Trestman want to keep it close to the vest. Half our passing game is screens to Forte and our WRs.
And Cutler needs to move in the pocket. His pocket presence gets worse each game. He stays still at one point and if he doesn't release the ball his only option is to just fold. I give him credit for staying in the pocket and often times releasing the ball a split second before the hit. But why not buy more time and move - it worked well last week against the Vikes.
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Defensively. I don't know what you guys are seeing when you slam Briggs week in and week out. Yesterday he got hurt but there was only 1 Bear that had more tackles than Briggs. Yeah, he's getting up there and he's not as fast as he once was but the guy makes plays. I sometimes wonder if you guys really watch the game or just to drunk to know what you are seeing.
As for McClellin...totally invisible yesterday. He's no Nick Roach. I don't think he ever sees a 2nd contract here.
Tucker needs to rotate his DEs much more. Trevor Scott had a nice PS but how many plays did he get before getting injured? Finally Bass and Washington are getting a few snaps but they could use more. Willie Young is more effective when he doesn't have to play so much. Jared Allen didn't have a great game but he seems to give full effort when he's in. But I'd still play Washington and Bass more!
Paea is having a nice season. It's not often that DTs get that much visibility but he's going to be more expensive in 2015.
Jennings isn't getting the turnovers but he had a good game Sunday. Fuller started off the season on fire - not as hot now and frequently injured.
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The Jackson fumble was correctly called. It looked like a fumble to the refs in real time action. The replay could have gone either way. Therefore it was inconclusive. If the ruling on the field had been no fumble I would have been good with the replay not overturning it too.
The ruling on the field is confirmed. (Refs got it right in real time)
The Ruling on the field stands. (Refs might or might not have got it right but replay can not say they were wrong)
The ruling on the field is overturned (Refs got it wrong and replay clearly showed it was wrong)
The Jackson fumble was the ruling stands....
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Bucs rookie receiver had 200 yards receiving last week - I bet the defense was focused on him - he only had 3 catches for 47 yds - and the TD when Fuller pulled up lame
Jackson and Murphy were both over 100 yds
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Defense gave the team short fields to play - didn't need a whole lot of deep balls
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3N_RTuIAAAqRT5.jpg:large)
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That's funny!!
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Defense gave the team short fields to play - didn't need a whole lot of deep balls
Not in the first half.
I'm not just talking deep balls...I'm talking passes that go longer than say 10 yards. Bears had ONE pass play over 20 yards the whole game.
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There were some drops in the first half too - Marqisse Wilson got an earful from Marshall on one of his that would have been a 1st down
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Yeah, that was a huge drop.
I'm hoping we get back Mills for the Thanksgiving game. It's not that Mills is any better than Ola it's just that the Bears are better with Ola at LG than de la Puente.
Another guy that gets no props here is Garza - really solid steady guy. I don't care how much older he is then de la Puente - I'd re-sign Garza.
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They showed the replay on NFL AM this morning, the fumble call, and it was clearly not a fumble. His left elbow was on the ground. If we want it called right for us we gotta be honest when it goes against.
And I don't know what David Bass has to do to get on this team and stay but everytime they put the guy out there he makes plays. Enough stupidity already, leave the guy on the team!
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The Score was saying the same thing about the offense, Dallas, saying it 'needed a enema' and that everyone has lost confidence in Cutler including himself.
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I agree somewhat...I do think Cutler is so beaten down that he's not as aggressive as he has been in the past.
The only other explanation I had is Lovie knows Cutler so well that he designed a defense to shut him down.
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Cutler played well against the Vikes the week before, I thought. I do believe Trestman reeled him in for whatever reason and I was complaining the whole game that they weren't moving him around after it was successful the week before.
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Vincent Jackson's fumble was ruled a fumble on the field. I think from watching the replay they couldn't conclusively rule him down.
Had the call been that he was down, they couldn't reverse the call to say it was a fumble. so you go with the call on the field, I know that doesn't make everyone happy.
Crazy
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Cutler did have the 3 TDs against the Vikings but he also had 2 picks.
So he was plus 1 (TDs over picks). Bears won 21-13.
Against the Bucs he had 1 TD - no picks. Plus 1 again and the Bears again won 21-13.
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Lets keep on winning 21 -13.
Most SUPERBOWLS won by N.E. they won by a FG.
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I can't help but think Orton would have been a nice fit in this offense.
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I can't help but think Orton would have been a nice fit in this offense.
Duck we have more than enuff OFFENSE that we need ...
problem is getting them to DO anything. ???
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Pekin stirring the pot... ::)
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I think most of us would've taken Orton back, especially in a backup role..
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Put me down in the I think Orton would really thrive in this Offense.
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Ditto on Orton. I wanted him back as a backup to Cuttler this season but was given a beatdown for that idea
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Folks, Orton would never come back to Chicago.
The only reason he 'retired' from the Cowboys was to get away from a team that had a veteran established QB. He wanted to go to a team that had a young inexperienced un-established QB that would give him the best opportunity to start.
He wants to start not backup - he'd never come to Chicago.
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Orton would have come here a couple years ago...when he ended up in KC. It looked like the Bears wanted him...what was it, KC picked him up on waivers...?
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Both Dallas and Chicago (http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/7269812/sources-chicago-bears-put-claim-qb-kyle-orton) put waiver claims (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7274326/kansas-city-chiefs-claim-qb-kyle-orton-waivers) on Ortman. KC was ahead of them.
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I think we were talking about signing Orton as a backup in 2014...not in 2011.
If we signed Orton in 2011 he probably wouldn't be here in 2014.
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Ditto on Orton. He would have been good....
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He was smart, and had a good enough arm. Oh well.
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Agree, Peke.
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I never thought Orton was really the problem.
Our biggest problem was no OL and Hester was our best WR.
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Speaking of Orton ... McCown tosses for 341 yds. against BEARS defense.
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Careful, JJ...you're gonna bring out the Cutty Tactical Response Team and their heavy sarcasm bombs!
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Thump JCut in the chest ... that seems to get his motor running. :)
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Better do a lot of thumping for tomorrow. The only thing in our favor is the "late season dive" that Detroit pulls every year..
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So is that late season dive a result of Jim Schwartz or maybe something in the water. We will see tom. I think the Lions make the Bears look bad tom.
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Schwartz was and is an idiot. But I give him credit, hes got that Buffalo D playing well..
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Say what? Not good at all:
Among the many problems that have plagued the Bears this season is an inability to keep the same offensive line together for long stretches because of injuries.
Left tackle Jermon Bushrod has missed two games, left guard Matt Slauson is on injured reserve, center Roberto Garza has missed four games and right tackle Jordan Mills has been out the last two games, leaving right guard Kyle Long as the only player to start every game. More shuffling is coming.
Brian De La Puente, who played center when Garza was out and has been at left guard for the last two weeks, is headed to injured reserve because of an ankle injury. Michael Ola, who has been filling in for Mills, is expected to step in for de la Puente with Mills on track to return to the lineup against the Lions on Thursday.
The Bears signed de la Puente before the start of this season and he can become a free agent next year if the Bears don’t re-sign him before the market opens.
Defensive tackle Brandon Dunn has been promoted from the practice squad to bring the roster back to 53 players.
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The offensive line is the key to the offense under producing. Look at Romo behind Dallas line. It wasn't too long ago they were singing his swan song. Funny what protection does for a QB's confidence and production.
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You are exactly correct Griz. The O-line is a big part of the offenses problem this year. Injury after injury will do that to an O-line and any offense. The Bears have been playing musical chairs on the O-line all season. And we will have yet another change up today.
We could very well see the Bears blown out once again if the O-line can't do their job.
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Hoping for a good Bears win but, expecting a beat down... :-\
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Lions go three and out. Run D looks good.
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1st and goal from the ten.
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TD BEARS!!!
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7-0 Bears. This has started out about as well as we could have hoped for!
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They actually looked pretty good that drive, but they'll need to get the run game going sometime here. How frustrating is it to be a Lions fan? EVERY year, they come apart mid to late mid season, no matter the talent level, evidently no matter the coach.
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7-3 Bears.
Lions put together a nice drive but the Bears are getting some nice pressure on Stafford.
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Well the start is good...
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agree, started out looking good..
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3rd and a **** yard and they can't make it... WTF?
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Nice punt
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Think this game is gonna turn if we cannot get a yard.....terrible....well, at least the Bears led for a very short time....
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Bears ball!!!
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where the hell has this line been all year? in the closet? Its the 21st century boys, come out!!
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TD BEARS!!!
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14-3 Bears.
Time to pop a beer and enjoy this for a moment.
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The announcer talked about moving cutler. good call griz.
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I'd love to beat these fuckers today!!
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well, they may still lose, but no blowout, i hope. happy turkey day to the board. Even otto and packrat. even packer fans gotta eat.
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14-3 Bears.
Time to pop a beer and enjoy this for a moment.
ha-ha , Guinness and a blunt with my friends comin up..... ;)
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14-10 Bears.
Well it was fun for a bit...
Perfect pass and catch.
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good pass good catch. ah well
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At least they had one decent quarter.....
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Throw it right at the guy...good grief...
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Lions will take the game over.
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Had it with this game...have a great day everybody!!!
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Season's slipping away....that last drive showed the gamut, Cutler throwing a bad ball almost intercepted, Marshall dropping a pass and Garza screwing everything up with a terrible penalty....this game is slipping away quickly...
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AND that's the season...have a great Thanksgiving everyone. Time to watch the Colts now. At least they're still in it...
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Team is completely gone now. Garza killing any drive they have, going braindead with a 2nd and 21 and RUNNING against the best run D in the league no surprise it went nowhere. Yea we need new coaches and get rid of Garza. Going to need a lot of change next season. But still won't go anywhere with Cutler so it won't matter....this team is really F'd.....badly....
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GET RID OF F"ING CUTLER!!!!! If they're scared to throw the da@%@# ball downfield because of his fricking turnover nonsense, get rid of him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tucker playing prevent. They will score again before the half.
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They better get rid of Tucker, Trestman, half the frigging team AND Cutler if they want to turn this around......
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That was candy from a babyish.
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Embarrassing to be a Bears fan...fk this....you guys can have Cutler. If they don't want to throw it downfield because he's throw it to the other team, you can have him...I'm done....
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Defense not even trying so it seems.
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BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think it had a whole lot more to do with the fact our O-line couldn't block the Lions D-line for even two seconds the last few drives then Cutler.
Regardless there or so many things wrong with this team it is silly to argue if it is the chicken or the egg.
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Stafford has the same amount of time Cutler has, they just don't want to go downfield because he'll turn it over. That's why they went to a fking stupid a's run on a 2nd and 21.....
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ha-ha , Guinness and a blunt with my friends comin up..... ;)
LOL!!
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Has Mel Tucker been fired yet?
All those screens and dunks when ALL of our LBs and DBs are deep. Mel Tucker is an IDIOT.
"Bears finaly blitz...but it was too late"
Prevent defense prevents you from wining.
ZERO presure on Stafford the last 3 drives.
Has Trestman been fired yet?
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I hate to say it but losing Conte seems to have really hurt the Bears. It has all been down hill on defense since he left the game.
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But it doesn't matter anyway if Garza can't stop holding! He killed a promising drive where they were down to the 30 and then made it so it was a 2nd and 21.....but they should be ashamed the way they're playing.
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"bears have a terrible secondary"...."and no one can cover Johnson"
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I'm not sure who's worse, Cutler and the O, or Tucker and the D. This team is a **** mess!!
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275 freaking passing yards in the first half by a STRUGLLING QB - with a TERRIBLE O-line - and a struggling offense.
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Well, football's done for me this year already. Notre Dame blew it second half and is done and the Bears have blown it all season and are done. This will be a blowout. Cowher is right, they need to get it down the field, but they won't because they're scared Cutler will turn it over. The only thing that is good about this is it hurts Green Bay, that's it. They beat the Bears one more time this season and it'll give the Loins a better shot at winning the division which I'd rather see than the fricking Pakers. Whatever...season is done and it sucks.....now I know what it feels like to be a Lions fan and if they don't make the needed changes next season, this will be ongoing for a few seasons.....
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I'll say this much, may as well kept Lovie, and Angelo. This is easy back to the Wannstedt days... Except one thing, the players kept playing for Dave. Trestman's a **** idiot!!
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Now Cutler will start turning it over, they'll fall further behind...we've seen it so many times over and over.
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Screen pass....screen pass....don't throw it downfield!! Cutler may turn it over!! Pathetic....
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STOP with the screen crap already!!!!!!! Go the hell downfield!!! Ridiculous! He looked for the screen AGAIN
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If Trestman is directing this offense, he definitely needs replaced next season. The offense is not creative at all, they've given up entirely on the run and they're going screen way too often. There is absolutely no creativity to this offense and it's very predictable. That's why those screens aren't going anywhere.
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Sporty you can't go down field when the O-line can't block for more then two seconds. Even that is tough for them right now.
That was actually a decent drive considering how bad the O-line is playing.
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Peke, Stafford doesn't have any more time than Cutler and they are going downfield. Difference is they have confidence in Stafford and very little in Cutler....
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They have been giving Stafford plenty of time after the first few drives. When they weren't he got sacked and fumbled.
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Now they are getting some pressure on him and the Lions go three and out.
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There's no difference in time. In fact, a couple of those deep shots he had that got TD's out of he had guys all around him and on his ankles. He's been under pressure all game and yet is making plays....the last TD he threw before half he was on his butt watching it.
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The ONLY thing they're doing that gives him a seconds more time is rolling him out, which Trestidiot cannot seem to figure out might work with Cutler.....guy is clueless....
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AGAIN, Cutler throws into double coverage...W T F! Stupid!!
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Do Bennet and MArshal have to drop one or two passes a game each every week?
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Marshall's had two key drops and now Bennett has one. This team does whatever it can to lose.....
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Damn that should of been picked!
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I hate that our DB's just bail out and make it simple to play pitch and catch.
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Like the fact the last time Cowboys played Bears Boys lost 45-28 in 2013 and they showed Cutler didn't play, lol....tells ya all ya need to know....
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Even when rolling out, Stafford is under pressure and yet makes plays.....
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That was such a bullshit call... What is this, powder puff football
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I know what is a Dl to do? He was airborne getting pushed by the OL and Stafford was ducking.
It is getting to the point where they might as well start playing two hand touch.
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31-17 shortly and the rout is on.....and the days of Trestman are ticking ticking ticking short.....
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I wouldn't get your hopes up Sporty. I doubt they fire Trestman after this season. Possible but unlikely.
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Well, the Bears AND CUTLER officially suck ass!!!
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Love Cutler's heave and hope a Bear comes down with it strategy to QB play.
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No mention of Slay pushing off Marshall before tipping that pass...
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Hey guys...3 TD's in a row and we're right back on top! Frickin Bears 😡
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What the hell do you do in the draft? Long's terrific but the line is still a problem. You're stuck with Cutler and the rest of the offensive players. You just spent a 1st rounder on a CB. Still little to no pass rush.
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Cutler had no business throwing that pass. The defender was in front of the receiver on the sideline. Where the heck did he think the receiver would catch that ball, not to mention the safety is coming over. Just plain stupidity. We desperately need a new QB next season to change this mess, plus a new coaching staff. This is just ugly crap.....
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Trade Cutler and try to get Orton back. The team is gonna lose a crapload of money but better that than a crapload of games with this QB under center! It's so bad they're showing Boys vs Bears last season and mentioning the Bears won 45-28 WITHOUT Cutler! We're a national embarrassment with this bozo under center!!
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Has Mel Tucker been fired yet???? WHAT A HORENDOUS GAME PLAN!!!! Wide open gaps in the D - WTF?
How in the hell are your safties ALWAYS 30 or40 yards deep??? and many times BOTH!!!! WTF?
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Our defense gave up 4 touchdowns to a team that had not scored the past two weeks. That's on Cutler as well, I guess...
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Obviously the D is a problem. But if you refuse to see Cutler as a problem as well, you're blind, ignorant or both....
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Biggest needs are O-line, CB, Safety, LBer and hell might as well through DL in there as well.
Got to just hope a QB can develop behind Cutler. Well unless someone is willing to give us a first round pick and a few other draft picks for him. You can't eat that much money with out getting at least a first round pick imo.
My guess is they stick with Trestman and Cutler. Fire Tucker and draft O-line and mostly defense.
At this point I certainly would not be upset if they blew the whole thing up but I don't think they will.
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Well that was the end of this year. I was only half assed paying attention, since I knew it was going to turn to ****. Glad I am not hanging on every last play/move any more. This team sucks, flat out plain and simple. Cutler is a dunderhead who makes tons of bad decisions And I would put Brandon Marshall into that group as well. The D is just putrid. As much as people rag on Conte, whenever he is not in a game, the D goes to ****. Lets lose the rest of the games all year and improve our draft pick, get rid of Philips down down, and rebuild from scratch.
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I want a DC who is willing to let the corners press the receivers now and again. I hate the soft zones where the QB just takes three steps and out and we give up 15 yards. I understand you have to mix them in but if you are getting pressure it is for nothing if you are playing so far off the receivers.
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Hopefully they will play Clausen some to see what we have with him and this offense. Need to start figuring out who will be here next year and who will not.
I think Tillman, Briggs, Garza are not on next years team. Possibly Cutler if they can trade him. Which is one of the reasons they need to see what they have in Clausen.
We absolutely need a S and LB early in draft. I could see a C in the third or fourth rounds. We need a speedy WR. I think they make due with the DE's they have for one more year. The DL is the least of our problems.
Also I have a feeling this is Forte's last great season. We need to be thinking of his replacement.
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Hopefully they will play Clausen some to see what we have with him and this offense. Need to start figuring out who will be here next year and who will not.
Hey here's an idea. Lets let Moses Moreno play. He is going to be the next starter. Or we can get Cordell Stewart.
Fans are never satisfied with their QB. Someone else's QB is always better. Or the back up will be the savior.
Maybe we will be lucky and get RGIII next year. He might be available. Let's give up two first rounders for him. Hell throw a couple more picks in and Cutler and we can also have Kurt Cousins. I read the Football experts on this board singing his praises earlier this year.
Yeah that's the ticket. We can get Washington's second and third string QBs!!!!
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The're is a reason why the grass is always greener on the other side...
It's fertilized with bullshit.
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If we make the O-line better Cutler will be better. Every QB plays better with protection.
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Peke, Cutler has had every fricking thing any QB would want thrown to him, a improved Oline, a set of wideouts any QB would be jealous of, a series of talented offensive minds, whatever, however and he still ain't getting it done. I mean I don't know what else can be done to prove to everyone that this kid just is not going to get us where we want to be!! We've been so starved for ANY help at QB that once we see a guy with a big arm, we're in love. But now folks are duped, some are anyway, into still thinking Cutler will get it done, get us somewhere. I don't know how many chances this guy's gonna get to prove he's a hoax, a tease. Guess some will still follow regardless....
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Obviously the D is a problem. But if you refuse to see Cutler as a problem as well, you're blind, ignorant or both....
Agreed!
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Two words for Trestman, Cutler and others: good and bye!
Steve Rosenbloom
Does it really matter what Marc Trestman says anymore?.
Unless it’s goodbye, I mean.
Same deal, Phil Emery and Mel Tucker.
Ditto, Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall.
All of you can go. After that collapse in Detroit in the biggest game of the season, you’ve exposed yourselves as bad and weak, you’re 5-7, and you’re all done.
Now.
Happy Thanksgiving. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. Somewhere else.
Trestman’s history tells you he has a two-year shelf life. Cutler’s history tells you he kills coaches and seasons. Marshall’s history tell you there’s a reason “WRONG’’ start with “WR.’’ Tucker’s history tells you he can’t run a defense that scares anybody. Emery’s history tells you he’s a scout, period.
Ciao.
This was the Bears’ season, such as the Bears believed they still had one. I don’t know what was in their bong, but they actually showed offensive precision and an attacking defense early in Detroit.
Then, pffft.
Then gag. Gaaaaagggg!
The Lions adjusted. Trestman didn’t. The Bears settled for swing passes and screens. The Lions went downfield and had time to throw it because Tucker’s bunch couldn’t get home after Jared Allen’s early sack-strip-recovery.
When the Bears had long fields, forget it. Cutler threw a pick. Because that’s what he does. A league-leading 20 turnovers. Congratulations, $54 million man, and congratulations to Emery for wasting that money.
When the Lions had long fields -- any fields -- Matthew Stafford found yards and points almost every time.
For instance, Stafford picked apart the Bears in the last 1:45 of the first half because his wonky line stiffened to snuff any notion of Bears pressure. The line that produced Allen’s early big play now needed a police escort on this critical drive.
Nope. Didn’t happen. There was Golden Tate wide open down the seam and then there’s Calvin Johnson open in the end zone on a fade for a 24-14 lead after the Bears once held a 14-3 advantage.
Do the math: The Bears were outscored 31-3 in the last 48 minutes. This from a Bears team with a lead and built to play with the lead. What more do you need to know about the man who fashioned this roster, some men who coach it and some important players supposedly leading it?
Nothing, that’s what. See ya. Write if you get work.
No, wait. There was more pitiful play. The Bears trailed by 10 -- again -- at halftime, the sixth time in 12 games they trailed by double-digits after two quarters.
Twice the Bears failed to overcome Roberto Garza holding penalties. That’s the same Bears team that Emery claimed is mentally tough.
The Lions, meanwhile, overcame a TD that was called back and stuck it in the end zone again, and later mounted a 95-yard drive.
How did the Bears respond? With a sack and punt, thank you very much.
By the way, Marc, did you notice how a two-minute-drive works? It can take only 81 seconds if you’re good.
But you’re not.
Adios, ya’ll.
Trestman’s offense has yet to score 30 points this season. His team has gone from bad to a joke. The Lions hadn’t scored more than 24 points since Week 1. Then came the Bears, looking like Lovie Smith’s Buccaneers.
Come on, Marc, Jay, Brandon, Mel and Phil, say it with me as your planes are boarding: buh-bye.
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I'm just so incredibly disgusted with this team, top to bottom. They spent a crapload of money on some crap talent, starting with Cutler. Houston is next, totally absolutely worthless. Allen has been a huge letdown as well, huge. Draft picks might as well have gone to the secondary where it was desperately needed. The two 'super tackles' they picked have been worthless. We needed a safety, we got two turds on the line. Willie Young is the ONLY FA recently acquired doing jack and I think they came upon him by accident. They sure didn't pay him much! This brings back bad bad memories of yelling at the TV when the idiots that ran the Bears back in the Wanny years kept picking crap in the draft. They needed safety help, early. I said it and knew it. They get a punter. IDIOTS. They grab two DT. IDIOTS. Keep drafting stupid, you get what you saw today on the field. So incredibly tired of stupidity.....
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Well.;.. What is stopping you from applying for the GM position. With all that knowledge and your credentials you are a shoe in. You would have this team turned around in a year I am sure of it.
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....not that you are capable of a better job. A lot of us are frustrated about the Bears. When the pieces don't fit you have to acquit, right?
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You can blame Culter for the offense, he deserves his share. But he is not getting the protection, and the game plan... he threw 48 times, and they ran it what? 9 times? They started fast, then the Lions got going, and the defense couldn't stop repeated drives. The Lions moved the ball at will. Trestman completely abandoned the run, and the offensive line couldn't give Cutler the time.
How many passes did you see Cutler just miss? Or were defenders just draped all over the receivers on anything deep? Because that is what I saw. Bushrod was garbage yesterday. Mills wasn't much better.. And forget running the ball because we didn't have the strength to push that line.
I don't think any of us "Cutler lovers" are saying he is blame free, but to completely just rant on him as if we just change that one piece on the offense will fix it is as blind as any comment against this team or defending it. I don't think the offense needs a complete overhaul. I think a few offensive lineman and a commitment to a more balanced attack would solve a lot.
The defense. Just pick any position and start from there. Did any of our lineman resemble Detroits? Who would the Lions take off of our dline in an even swap? It is no use being critical of the secondary, because you could pick about any position and try to upgrade it. Never did we miss Peanut so badly. I know we have our support and hopes for Fuller but he looked in size like a 4 year old next to Megatron.
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wlmjohn,
I don't think play Clausen would be grass is greener...its what color is the grass. We have no idea what we have in Clausen until he gets some game time. Hell Tom Brady didn't get a shot until Bledsoe went down. Sure there were plenty of fans that were saying this guy is going to suck when he got his shot. Point is you don't know until you give a guy a shot.
I know what we have in Cutler. A guy who can be great one minute and makes some really bad mistakes/throws the next. I have always been in Cutler's corner in past, to many on this board were calling for his head way to fast. I have a Cutler jersey, I use to stick up for him with my friends who are football fans. However no more. This league with the rule changes is even more about the QB than ever. Look at the top teams and you will see a top QB. I don't think it hurts to look at others at the QB position. We got Jay locked in, he won't like taking a seat, but maybe that will force him to up his game some. At this point I don't think we have anything to lose.
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Why has Bushrod dropped off so much from last year? He has turned to ****. And I never thought Mills was a star, he was serviceable. Sad to say we still have needs on the OL. And as much crap as Conte gets, I wonder if he is the secret santa captain out there or what. Whenever he goes out, things turn to ****. And he is more injury prone than Mike Brown, but doesnt quite make as many good plays. Sad state really.
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Well, WM, who's been right about Cutler? You? Or me? Did I say the guy is a waste of time and money and has he proven me out? Yes. Did I say we needed a safety and do we need one? Yes again. I don't need the GM job. What the BEARS need is a true GM knows what the hell he's doing!!! That's alright, though. Each game Cutler f's up is more and more people waking up. You, Dave and Keys and maybe a couple of other groupies will be the only ones with your Cutler jerseys, flags and signs left very soon.....
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Why has Bushrod dropped off so much from last year? He has turned to ****. And I never thought Mills was a star, he was serviceable. Sad to say we still have needs on the OL. And as much crap as Conte gets, I wonder if he is the secret santa captain out there or what. Whenever he goes out, things turn to ****. And he is more injury prone than Mike Brown, but doesnt quite make as many good plays. Sad state really.
Bushrod was hurt earlier in the year and he may be nursing an injury he isn't talking about. Also Slauson is out for the season and could also be a factor. But as you say his play has definitely declined. Maybe the issue is more about quality depth than declining talent.
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Sportster, you are such a **** dumbass...I dont even have the words to deal with your dumb ass any more.
Cutler is a problem. He's not the main problem, and he certainly isn't the only problem. Reading your dumbass posts would make someone think otherwise.
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If Cutler has a big stats game but loses Sporty is all over his ass because it's about winning. If he has a low stats game and wins Sporty is all over his ass about not throwing for enough yards. Sporty is not to be taken seriously.
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I'll say this, I wouldn't trade Cutler for Kaepernik. One's about as bad as the other.
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I feel that Romo and Cutler are both very similar QB's. If you put a good O-line in front of them they can win for you. If not they will make you go wow one minute and kill ya the next with a stupid mistake.
It is easier to fix our O-line then it is to find a good QB.
Plus you can't beat the Lions with the D-line they have and the **** we have on our O-line currently.
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Dave, you're the dumbass for supporting that ass, pal. You're too fking blind to see the truth. He IS a problem and you're too fking stupid to see it.....
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He may be part of the problem but he isnt all the offensive problem. There is plenty of blame elsewhere too.
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I'm done...I'm fking done. Believe what you want. Cutler's a problem, a serious one, and we won't win **** with him...mark it down....fking mark it down!!!!!
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What's funny is writer after writer is on Cutler's ass but you'll ignore that. The Score is all over his ass, but again, ignore them. Hey, they're all stupid fools, huh.....guess again.
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Floyd Krunk Donaldson -The BEARS sucks right now!! Still a fan, but we suck!! Get Cutler outta here!!!
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Wayne Ridetime Howard- Anyone defending Cutler should stop watching football. The 6 year Cutler experiment has been through every fix possible. New General Manager, Offensive coordinators, Head Coach, new lineman, new receivers. The only constant has been Cutler and they gave him 56 million and he still throws off his back foot, can't read a defense to save his life, has the most turnovers. How can any Bears fan, any Football fan defend this guy? He's had everything and now i'm hearing people complain about Forte, WTF! Defending Cutler and bashing Forte? What kind of Lunacy is that? U Cutler fanboys are either getting paid to defend him or you only care about your fantasy football stats. Cutler is a coach killer and has killed the moral of this Bears Team.
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Rich Jankovich- Team is a total joke,all coaches and Cutler need to go.
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Karl Kobernus- Cutler is stinking up the place. Get him out. Pay out the guaranteed $$ and get him out.
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SeanandKimlee Couch -
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And to Davey1-11 I'll repeat..'Obviously the D is a problem but if you can't see Cutler as a serious problem as well, you're either blind, ignorant or both.'
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I posted when the contract for the big bucks was signed that he was a coach killer, but 90% of you bear fans approved of the signing.
Just saying.....I was right.
Enjoy him.
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We lost to Detroit in their house on Thanksgiving and it wasnt the usual Detroit team that we have faced in the past.
We fought the law and the law won.
Now you knew goddamn good and well that without Peanut , Megatron was going to
WR all over us.
With a banged up OL against their defense you knew that Forte was going to amount to ****.
What the hell were you really expecting ? To walk with a win ? C'mon.
WE didn't get disgraced on nationwide TV.
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Sportster, you are such a **** dumbass...I dont even have the words to deal with your dumb ass any more.
Cutler is a problem. He's not the main problem, and he certainly isn't the only problem. Reading your dumbass posts would make someone think otherwise.
wow... i have not been a part of the bears forums for long... but i dont think i've seen dave cuss out someone like that since the trib boards...
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wow... i have not been a part of the bears forums for long... but i dont think i've seen dave cuss out someone like that since the trib boards...
The problem is they love each other despite their opposing viewpoints.
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Nah, he's a jagbot....
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The older I get, the lower my tolerance for stupidity gets...
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His knowledge of Bears football matches jes's knowledge of WAR...
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Says the idiot that thinks Cutler is the second coming of Joe Namath....hey, Davey1-11, what's Cutty up to now, 20 turnovers?? Bozo....
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Keep making **** up, village idiot...
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Hey, time to wake up and smell the crap, Davey. You're standing in it.....
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Says the idiot that thinks Cutler is the second coming of Joe Namath....hey, Davey1-11, what's Cutty up to now, 20 turnovers?? Bozo....
I seriously doubt that he ever mentioned Joe Namath but most experts will argue that with the exception of one big game Namath was a rather average QB so I'm not sure what your point is. Making stuff up is not going to do much to advance your cause.
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What is this, the 'Key'stone Kops?? Do I have to spell it out for both of ya? No, he never said 'Joe Namath'. It was a figure of speech, perhaps you've heard of it before ::) . It's no wonder you two have problems seeing Cutler's issues when you can't get a simple concept like this. Joe Namath was a Super Bowl winning QB, he was a rookie of the year, a MVP, won 3 Division championships, a Super Bowl MVP, a 2 time player of the year AND a NFL Hall of Fame inductee- ALL of which Mr. Jay Cutler will never sniff even with your fingers. Got it?
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I seriously doubt that he ever mentioned Joe Namath but most experts will argue that with the exception of one big game Namath was a rather average QB so I'm not sure what your point is. Making stuff up is not going to do much to advance your cause.
I never even knew that Sporty and Dave23 were in a pissing match ...
that one slipped by me in the last decade or so.
Oh well. ???
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Ehh, no sleep lost here....
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Ehh, no sleep lost here....
That's interesting ... I never knew that was going on between you guys. ::)
JJ must find a contemporary poster to sling default insults at ...
wait a minute ... that's everybody!
Thank god yer all aboard !
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Sniffing with your fingers? "Joe Namath" is a figure of speech?
How am I supposed to respond to this gibberish?
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Heh...when you don't have a comeback, just post a picture...
Who does that remind me of?
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::)
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Had more fun beating up on Cutler than this...let's get back to the regular scheduled dissing of Cutler and the sarcastic half arsed responses.....that's more challenging.
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What are the chances of getting Orton back here next season? What is his contract and is there hope we could get him back?
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And one last shot at Davey1-11.... (https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/p75x225/10368386_1509488892645702_38971582079762267_n.jpg?oh=b563328c54268bd7d194ae52a3427de7&oe=551A863E&__gda__=1427687851_ad6508a139055d122bb134654e5b39fe)
He seems to like the pretty pictures....
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Never said that, either...but keep making things up to fit your insanity...we're all quite humored...
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If there's any laughing, it's at those like you who support Cutler....
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Sporty, no one denies Cutler has his issues protecting the football and I think we all realize he has single handedly cost us games at times.
Folks also realize when Cutler has time, he showed last year and in other years he can carve up defenses like few in the league can.
The biggest difference between last year and this year is last year we had the same OL the whole season and this year we have played a bunch of guys from the CFL and street FAs and our two Pro Bowl WRs were banged up early in the season.
If you fix the OL, you go a long ways towards fixing Cutler and it is easier to find OL than QBs with Cutler's skills.
Until you we find a better option, Cutler is the guy we have to live with.
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Lets do what Sporty wants and go get the next Joe Namath. We will love that 173 TD's vs 220 int's. That 50.1 completion percentage and 65.5 QB rating will have Sporty creaming his jeans. That win/loss/tie record of 62-63-4 is just the icing on the cake. Yeah...let's go get the next Namath to replace Cutler and we're Super Bowl bound. Better yet....hire Sporty as GM.
http://www.nfl.com/player/joenamath/2521943/careerstats
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Who do we go after RGIII, Nick Foles, Mark Sanchez, Jake Locker?
Unless we can get Mariotta a developmental QB loks like the only option.
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If we don't fix the line, it doesn't matter...
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Sporty may want to cross Polian off his wish list...
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4682618/polian-cutler-has-all-the-intangibles-too
Polian is correct. If he is surrounded by receiving talent and good offensive line play like he had last season he is fine. He showed that last year. Unfortunately our o-line and receivers are banged up this year. Our biggest problem is coaching. I think we made the wrong choice in Trestman. I liked the choice at the time but he is clearly not ready for prime time.
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If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas. Believe what ya want, I'm done trying to convince ya. Just sit back and watch the fun ensue. All I gotta do is sit back and let him prove my points.....
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If ifs and butts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas. Believe what ya want, I'm done trying to convince ya. Just sit back and watch the fun ensue. All I gotta do is sit back and let him prove my points.....
Have our injured O-lineman made miraculous recoveries? I too will be watching the fun. The difference is I'll be cheering for good play and a win. You on the other hand will be celebrating any struggles from Cutler and praying for a loss if you actually own up to your prior posts.
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Former NFL wide receiver and NBC Sports analyst Amani Toomer added a new chapter to the book on Jay Cutler bashing Wednesday.
Toomer told WGWG-FM’s “Kap & Haugh” show that Cutler is a guy that “gets coaches fired.”
Former Bears coach Lovie Smith was fired after the 2012 season, and current coach Marc Trestman may get the same treatment if the team can’t turn around this horrid season.
“Jay Cutler, to me, is a guy that gets coaches fired,” Toomer said. “He’s what happens when you have talent and you’re just enamored with that talent.
“You don’t have to lead everybody, but you have to have people trust in you. And it just seems like Jay Cutler is one of those guys who has the ability, but he just hasn’t put it together. Usually if a guy hasn’t put it together by now it tells you a little something about him.
“I remember playing against Jeff George. I compare Jay Cutler to Jeff George. Unbelievable. You watch him throw the football, you want to give Jeff George a gold jacket right there and send him to the Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio. But there’s something lost in translation with the amount of athletic ability to throw the football and the ability play the game.Those two things are not the same.
“In this situation, you look at the guy and say ‘Why isn’t he great? Why hasn’t he taken the team to multiple championships?’ Then you watch him play and you say ‘Oh, OK, he makes those types of mistakes. Oh, OK he takes these risks. Oh, OK, this guy is not the quarterback that his talent should allow him to be.'”
Former Ravens coach Brian Billick was the first, I believe, to compare Jay Cutler to Jeff George. It’s a comparison that has been used a few times since.
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This guy nails it dead on....
It's never just right with Jay Cutler
There's always someone else to blame when things go bad for the NFL's Goldilocks
By David Fleming | ESPN.com
Nothing is ever Jay Cutler's fault.
You might think, in a season opener at home against the bottom-feeding Bills, that a newly minted, $126 million, franchise quarterback with a single career playoff win who has had an entire franchise ripped apart and rebuilt to his exact specifications would, maybe, be to blame for throwing two picks that led to 10 easy points for Buffalo in a shocking 23-20 overtime loss.
And, like I said, you'd be wrong.
Nothing is ever Blameless Jay's fault.
This was supposed to be the year everything was in place for Cutler to reach his full potential and take the Bears on another deep run in the playoffs. Finally, we were told, after almost a decade in the NFL -- roughly the same time it took to build the Panama Canal -- Cutler was, at long last, ready to step up and become a franchise quarterback.
Here's the thing, though: Real franchise quarterbacks thrive under pressure and adversity by always accepting responsibility, never offering excuses and finding ways to elevate those around them to a level of performance they could never achieve on their own.
Cutler has a nearly flawless, smooth and compact throwing motion and a crazy once-in-a-lifetime cannon of an arm. It is so remarkable, in fact, that with it Cutler has managed to seduce even the wise and hardened fan base of Chicago for more than six years. But we all know playing quarterback in the NFL is about so much more than passing the ball and then screaming at your subordinates when things go poorly.
Which means, given his track record of leadership, the only franchise Cutler should be running is a Denny's.
He needs perfect coaching? After Bountygate (yet another shining example of Roger Goodell's leadership and sliding, slippery scale of morality), Drew Brees lost his offensive playcaller, best friend and head coach for an entire season, and he still threw for 5,177 yards and 43 touchdowns. Cutler needs perfect protection? Aaron Rodgers won a Super Bowl with a dozen or so starters on injured reserve. Cutler needs perfect pass-catchers? There have been long stretches during Tom Brady's Hall of Fame career when his receiving corps looked like something Bill Belichick picked up on the Island of Misfit Toys. Cutler needs a better defense? Eli Manning won a Super Bowl in 2011 with the sixth-worst defense in the league.
So I was racking my brain trying to think of a name for whatever it is that afflicts Cutler when I realized the Bears have given him everything he has ever asked for, and yet somehow Mr. Grumpypants still isn't satisfied or comfortable or the least bit grateful.
Just look at the laundry list of coaches and offensive coordinators he's burned through over the years: Mike Shanahan was too old school; Josh McDaniels was too new school; Ron Turner was too collegial; Mike Martz too complicated; Mike Tice was not complicated enough; Lovie Smith was too defensive-minded. But Marc Trestman, oh, Marc Trestman was gonna be juuuuust right.
And then it hit me.
Jay Cutler has GLD, Goldilocks Disorder.
The Bears (get it?) and their fans can continue to provide all the expensive, soft, cushiony support they can muster for Cutler.
It will never, ever be juuuuust right with this guy.
ONCE UPON A TIME in Denver he needed to win one of his final three games of the 2008 season to make the playoffs. Cutler's passer rating during that stretch never went above 74.9, but it wasn't his fault. He needed a team with a better defense. So the Bears gave up two No. 1 picks to put him with Smith. Cutler threw an NFL-high 26 picks in 2009, and the Bears finished 7-9.
ONCE UPON A TIME, Cutler needed better targets.
So the Bears got him Brandon Marshall, Martellus Bennett and Alshon Jeffery. And it still wasn't juuuuust right.
ONCE UPON A TIME, protection was too soft.
So the Bears let him scream at his linemen during games, and they got him Jordan Mills and Jermon Bushrod, and in 2013 they started the same five offensive linemen in all 16 games. Cutler suffered his fewest sacks since 2008, and the Bears still finished 8-8.
ONCE UPON A TIME, Cutler needed a run game to keep defenses honest.
So the Bears opened their wallets and locked up Matt Forte.
ONCE UPON A TIME, Cutler needed the comfort and security of a long-term contract. Here's how the negotiations probably went: $100 million is too low, $150 million is too high, but $126 million feels juuuuust right.
ONCE UPON A TIME, Cutler needed an offensive-minded head coach.
So Smith was fired after a Super Bowl and a 10-win season (there were other issues besides the QB, of course), and Trestman, the QB whisperer, was hired. But things still didn't feel juuuuust right with Jay.
ONCE UPON A TIME, after 3,310 passes thrown as a pro, Cutler would be perfect -- just as soon as he got more time to acclimate to Trestman's new scheme.
After all that, in the 2014 season opener, what does Blameless Jay do?
On third-and-1, late in the game, when anything other than an interception probably seals the win for the Bears, he throws across his body, on the run, trying to force the ball in to Bennett, and instead, with the game on the line, Cutler gets picked off by a defensive tackle.
Immediately afterward, it was obvious, at least to Blameless Jay and his followers, exactly who was at fault: Trestman, of course, for not calling a run play. The coach also seems to be suffering from GLD after falling back on the "three-phases" cliché after the shocking loss. And let's not forget the impossibly unfair media for daring to expect a $126 million, nine-year, franchise quarterback on a playoff-caliber roster to be able to, you know, win a game at crunch time by, um, falling down.
A season that started as a Bears fairy tale now seems to have little chance of ending happily ever after.
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You found a writer that hates Cutler as much as you and is as clueless as you....congrats. I see that he doesn't offer an alternative either. It's very easy to point out a problem but much more difficult to solve it. I think that is what started this marathon discussion in the first place. One side admits that Cutler has flaws but he is the best option we have at this point and you simply say he sucks without offering any alternative of who you would pursue to replace him either as a FA or draftee. You have created this straw-man that some of us think Cutler is elite. Nobody has said that.
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If you wanna call the truth 'clueless' then have fun..... ::) Now all of a sudden you're on the 'ok, he sucks but what can we do?' bandwagon. Niiice. You've gone from defending him to now off the cuff agreeing with me but ya don't wanna admit it...god forbid that....but you still spout stupid crap like 'clueless' when in FACT he's right but you don't want to admit that. Yes, he's a problem. Yes, we can do better and we NEED to do better. There are options, trading him, etc. We may be stuck with him one more season, that's true. But by god I think some common sense is finally sinking in to that thick skull and little by little you're seeing the truth. The whole deal was trying to get you to see there was a problem to begin with, not 'who do we draft, replace with' etc. You were a staunch Cutler defender. You aren't going to even deny that.....
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The sad thing is there will never be 32 elite QB's in this league. There are usually only about 5 elite QB's at any given time.
If you have one of the 5 you will be a contender every year. See Green Bay, New England and whatever team P. Manning is on.
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Can we get Orton back? Is that even a possibility? If we're stuck with Cutler for another season...god forbid two, uggh....we need someone to be a very good backup and someone for eventual, probably sooner than later, replacement. The problem this season is we don't have a viable replacement. Clausen isn't going to do jack. Didn't care for that pickup anyway.
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We need a consistent,not necessarily flashly, QB. Hell, Steve Walsh was a dink and dunk QB that was more consistent than Cutler and he won us a playoff game and had a 9-4 record as a starter! Big flashy arms don't impress me. Consistency, moving the offense, keeping drives going, scoring and winning games does....
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The problem with that is they have changed the rules so much to favor offense that spending all of your resources on defense is no longer the way to win championships. If you do not have an elite QB you have to have an elite defense imo.
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Heck, bring Tebow in! He's a running QB which has given the Pakers fits. He helped Denver win their division and won a playoff game vs the Steelers, a pretty darned tough team to beat.
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The problem with that is they have changed the rules so much to favor offense that spending all of your resources on defense is no longer the way to win championships. If you do not have an elite QB you have to have an elite defense imo.
If you are even hinting that the Bears shouldn't spend any draft picks in May on the defense and concentrate on fixing the Oline then you are dead wrong. That defense is that porous that a good HS tram could ring up 50 against it. Get real.
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If you wanna call the truth 'clueless' then have fun..... ::) Now all of a sudden you're on the 'ok, he sucks but what can we do?' bandwagon. Niiice. You've gone from defending him to now off the cuff agreeing with me but ya don't wanna admit it...god forbid that....but you still spout stupid crap like 'clueless' when in FACT he's right but you don't want to admit that. Yes, he's a problem. Yes, we can do better and we NEED to do better. There are options, trading him, etc. We may be stuck with him one more season, that's true. But by god I think some common sense is finally sinking in to that thick skull and little by little you're seeing the truth. The whole deal was trying to get you to see there was a problem to begin with, not 'who do we draft, replace with' etc. You were a staunch Cutler defender. You aren't going to even deny that.....
There you go with your straw man again. I never called him elite. I never even said he was great. Go back and search my posts. I have consistently said he may be a problem but he is not the biggest problem and we can win with him if we correct other issues. Unless that is what you believe than we are far from agreement. You just want to make an emotional response and get rid of him without any plan to replace him. He is better than anyone we have had in recent memory but if you want him replaced...fine. But the question remains...how?
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Wshful, No. That is not what I meant. We need to spend a lot of draft picks on defense.
We have to spend a lot of resources to get the defense up to NFL average. I can't imagine how many years it would take to get this defense to elite. Even if we spent every draft pick and free agent dollar on defense it would take years to make it elite.
I would draft O-line and defense. That is the quickest way to make this team better imo since it is the two biggest weaknesses of this team.
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I didn't say anything about 'elite'. I said you defended him, and you definately did. 'Take that you Cutler bashers', your words. I've mentioned two possible replacements or backups, Orton and Tebow. Missed that, huh. We can't get rid of him without someone to replace him, that's obvious. But if we're stuck with him, we need a workable, viable option to go to in case he either gets hurt or plays terribly. We can't do that this season with Clausen as his backup. We could last season and did with good success. That is what we need next season.
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I think this defense improves instantly with a new DC. Probably not a drastic improvement, but I think there are scheme problems that Tucker isn't addressing. Zone defense is one of them. Prevent defense at the end of the half is another. Not playing the right players is another. We need desperate help at Safety, another LB, a OL and a drafted QB and probably another DL.
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I think both of the Ryan brothers will be available this off season. It would be nice to get one of them to be our DC. They would also bring some intensity that Trestman does not seem to have.
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I didn't say anything about 'elite'. I said you defended him, and you definately did. 'Take that you Cutler bashers', your words. I've mentioned two possible replacements or backups, Orton and Tebow. Missed that, huh. We can't get rid of him without someone to replace him, that's obvious. But if we're stuck with him, we need a workable, viable option to go to in case he either gets hurt or plays terribly. We can't do that this season with Clausen as his backup. We could last season and did with good success. That is what we need next season.
Tebow? Seriously?
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In the little that Tebow played, he has done the same as all the years Cutler has wasted. Division champ, one playoff win and against a much better opponent in the Steelers and not the lowly 7-9 Seachickens. So yea, Tebow....
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I'll take Rex, not the floppy haired one. I've been talking that all season.
And I do agree, Trestman seems to be in over his head..
I really don't think Orton would be an upgrade.
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Tebow...Lunacy
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I think this defense improves instantly with a new DC. Probably not a drastic improvement, but I think there are scheme problems that Tucker isn't addressing. Zone defense is one of them. Prevent defense at the end of the half is another. Not playing the right players is another. We need desperate help at Safety, another LB, a OL and a drafted QB and probably another DL.
I disagree. I think it takes at least 2 drafts and a makeover of the defense to fit the new defensive scheme. For one thing the team speed necessary to field an average NFL defense is lacking.
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I think both of the Ryan brothers will be available this off season. It would be nice to get one of them to be our DC. They would also bring some intensity that Trestman does not seem to have.
While I agree in principal I am fearful both are 3/4 DCs which would increase the time necessary to bring the defense up to snuff
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You have maybe two or three building blocks on defense moving forward. I wouldn't limit the DC coordinator search because of the current roster....
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That's why you fail, Keys. One thing you aren't considering is what I mentioned....Pakers have had trouble with a running QB. You design your team to beat your opponents or at least match up with them. Cutler has how many wins vs the Pakers? C'mon Keys...how many?? Surely you know! Ask Dave 1-11..he'll tell ya...
Wish, I agree. We do need more than one draft to get the D fixed. There's not much there to work with at all....
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Tebow and Orton, lol...
One couldn't make this silliness up...
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Good plan....design your team for 2 games. what about the other 14? What running QB is doing anything special this year? RG3?, Kaepernick? Cam Newton? The only one that comes to mind is Russell Wilson and he is the beneficiary of a great defense. Why would Tebow succeed where most of the others don't? He's a bruiser and not quick or fast or accurate with his passes. Can he throw on the run? Doubtful.
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The guy I wanted to bring in as backup this season is having a pretty decent day...
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Johnny Football in for Cleveland.
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Ask Dave 1-11..he'll tell ya...
Or maybe he'll dodge the question, like usual....
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We could be moving up in the draft order if Jax and Minny keep winning. Min won and Jax somehow beat the Giants.
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Fool, you didn't ask me a question...
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Oh, and the Dave1-11 is stupid...completely unoriginal, which is par for the course coming from your simpleton ass. Maybe I should refer to you from now on as CumDumpster...
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Who the hell asked ya? Seriously, you're a f'ing douche....wanna talk to me? F you...keep it to yourself, pal....
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You keep mentioning me, CumDumpster...
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I'm sorry, did I say dumbass??
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You don't remember what you said?
Dumbass CumDumpster...
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Seriously, can you be any more juvenile? Feel like I'm talking to a 14 year old... probably am....
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Anyone watching the Packer/Pats game? Pack just got away with a penalty big time. Sure looked like the defender tackled the reciever by the helmet, grabbed his helmet, the backside and pulled him down.
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Yea, the Green Bay Packers BEAT the New England Patriots because the refs are on our side, our defense is horrible and the BEARS STILL SUCK!
Not because we have big time players and coaches who can coach.
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That was an awesome game between two elite teams with two HOF quarterbacks. It shows you how bad the Bares really are. Like that last play of the Packers to get first down and seal the win. If it were the Bears, and if the OL had held their blocks, and Cutler had managed to thread that particular needle, the receiver would have dropped it...
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Peppers is done. He is worse in this scheme then he was in ours.
if anything, Peppers appears slower. Not to mention soft. gag.
TWO offensive line holds on the Peckers O line on the last drive - no calls. WHY? Peckers right tackle practically ripped the shirt off #93 - no call - 93 still made a 5 yard loss.
Peckers going down.
Peckers missing top notch receivers - all the current receivers (except Nelson) - no Jones, Jennings, Driver, Finley etc....Tep Thompson for got to replenish and keeps drafting DBs.
Peckers O-line blows dobkey dicks.
Peckers O-line is terrible, after Nelson the WRs are weak, The D looks weak - espcially against a bad O-Line like Detroit.
Ted Thompson has done a terrrible job recently.
Rodgers seems ot have taken a step back...is scared to get hurt? I didn't see him run at all.
Peckers problem is they never replaced a great offensive line and no more...Driver, Jones, Finley, Jennings. After Nelson it'ss a big drop off.
McCarthy is nearing the end of his contract. Many fans have been wondering when he will be extended. He has been there for 9 years. Many have been questioning his play-calling.
It wouldn't surprise me if Thompson decided to changed head coaches. Thompson is a no-nonsense GM. and McCarthy seems to have slipped each of his last 3 years.
How do the Packers look? They look like they will win the division because the Bears and Vikings are terrible and Detroit is....Detroit. Beyond that anything more than a one and done playoffs is delusional. Of their 7 games they have only played 2 teams with a winning record and they lost both of them
Delusional is Peckers fans who think they have a good team.
Where is Oddo? he was telling us how good the Peckers were.
Peckers will end up no better than 8 and 8 and that's because they have freaking easy schedule
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Peckers win the Super Bowl? Good comedy.
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Packers are definitely the odds on favorites for the SB right now, but there's still lots of football left to play....don't toot your horn just yet, Otts....
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Would the last bear cricket please report to the 2015 draft thread....its December.
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Most HEATED arguments JJ has seen on this board in years !
What does all of it prove ? WE LOVE OUR TEAM!
BEARS fans aint going to bail on this ... we want better! HOW?
WINNING !! As stupid as it sounds ... winning.
Try also being a Raiduhs fan. :o
BEARS fans got it gooooooooooooooooooood!
At least there's hope this season in a season that is not over. ;D
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Offense needs help, but our defense needs it more...much more. Just look at the stats...points...yards...we are near the bottom defensively.
Sure we need a more consistent pass rush but we need a defensive coach and players that can man up with opponents receivers. Too many times our nearest pass defender is about 5 yards away from the receiver.
Is it scheme or is it that our defenders have no speed/quickness to stay with anyone?
I still like DE in round 1 but round 2 could be the best DB available.
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Offensively, I have lost a little faith in Cutler lately, but not ready to bail on him yet. His pocket presence is not good. Teams can point to a spot on the field when drops back and he will always be there. Trestman rarely moves him. And we rarely see quick passes. And Jay rarely extends plays with his feet he just patiently waits for his WRs to come open while the pocket deteriorates.
Cutler is just not the QB that can carry a team with an inconsistent run game. I've said this before...Trestman slips into Martz mode too often and we don't have the receivers that can consistently get open when you are passing 80% of the time with no play action help.
We could use a bit more speed at wideout...Cutler seems to have lost confidence in Wilson after a couple drops. There is no legit 3rd WR option.
Offensive line has regressed a bit from last year. Mills is not having the year he had last year and Ola is no Matt Slauson, but doing a decent job as a backup. I was not that impressed with Kyle Long last season. But this year I can see his a stud. He, Bushrod and Garza are our best lineman though Garza had a rough go of it against Detroit.
On Thursday, Cutler should be able to carve up the Cowboys defense but if they get a lead by blowing up our defense then Trestman will switch into Martz mode...
The Cowboys defense can owe much of their success to Murray keeping them off the field. This is a game we really needed Briggs.
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I think our first pick should be best available stud D player, no matter position. DE, LB, S, CB, we need help everywhere.
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If you can draft a QB who is "the man" you will immediately see a big improvement in the team.
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Not sure if anyone besides Marriota is "the man", and not even sure if he is. I don't think we will have a shot at him anyways. Although I would like to see the expression on Jays face if we did draft him. LOL
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Offense needs help, but our defense needs it more...much more. Just look at the stats...points...yards...we are near the bottom defensively.
Sure we need a more consistent pass rush but we need a defensive coach and players that can man up with opponents receivers. Too many times our nearest pass defender is about 5 yards away from the receiver. Is it scheme or is it that our defenders have no speed/quickness to stay with anyone?
I still like DE in round 1 but round 2 could be the best DB available.
Is playing that far off the receiver deliberate or stupid ??
Watch how N.E. covered G.B. receivers ... right on their ass.
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It's both; deliberately stupid. It's really mind boggling to me that these coaches, who are paid millions to know this stuff and implement it, don't. Why is it Belichick can see that that's the best way to play their recievers but us, we're too ignorant to figure that out and play zone and get eaten alive. Remember; MILLIONS.....it's unbelievable... Jennings can play man, we've seen it before and he made it to a pro bowl. Don't tell me we don't have the players...
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First off, if Tuckers not gone by seasons end, he's got pictures of Phillips **** a billy goat up the ass (don't get jealous Otto).
Cutler for sure is going nowhere, may as well get used to it sporty. Even if he was, not sure we'd be any better off with the players that surround him. Agree that Cutler has to work the pocket better, buy time. And WTF has happened to Marshall, it's almost as if he's just going through the motions. It's almost as if the whole offense is just going through he motions. Lethargic.. Yes, we need a speed receiver, badly!
As far as draft, I'm all for the best D player available. I still say our biggest needs are in the backfield, pick a spot. I'm not sure what they do about Linebacker, does Bostic every step up? The D like the O, almost as if they've lost confidence in the coaching staff. I still say hire Rex Ryan.
Better yet, admit the mistake and fire Trestman..
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And please, just say no to RG3. I'll stay with Cutler, thank you.. I'd take Cousins over RG3 (as a backup).
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Trestman is definately turning out to be a better coordinator than Head Coach, at least in the NFL. Really disliking his stupid 'we had a great week of practice' nonsense. Turning into 'Ahhpp, he's got a knee!'. He's already lost the team. They are like you said Chif lethargic, stuck in mud, going nowhere. And the thing about it...they don't seem to mind! Marshall is about the only one to show any fire at all. Forte mentioned something, but he's kinda taking a backseat to this mess. The rest are all asleep. There's no leadership really at all. Trestman looks down at his sheet or his feet or something down below, oblivious to what's going on in front of him. Lost how to turn it around. Lost, dazed and confused.....he should be replaced, but won't be...
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And please, just say no to RG3. I'll stay with Cutler, thank you.. I'd take Cousins over RG3 (as a backup).
Definitely agree
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As far as draft, I'm all for the best D player available. I still say our biggest needs are in the backfield, pick a spot. I'm not sure what they do about Linebacker, does Bostic every step up? The D like the O, almost as if they've lost confidence in the coaching staff. I still say hire Rex Ryan.
I'm thinking the best available DT/DE/CB/S at one - linebacker later.
At linebacker it looks like Bostic takes over Briggs' WLB spot (though I'm not opposed to giving Briggs a one year deal). We'll see what he can do these last 4 games.
The team is touting Christian Jones as one of the nickel backers but where does he project to play in the standard formation? MLB or SLB? And what about McClellin. He's had a very quiet season - rarely makes a big play. I assume he keeps the SLB job this year and should be the favorite next year.
So it looks like we'll need an MLB to replace DJ Williams - maybe someone in the middle rounds because at this point LB is a 3rd priority need on defense behind DL and DB.
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McClellen is good as gone. Also no way on drafting a DT we just took two and Houston is more DT than DE in my opinion. We need speed. We need a sack master. We need a LBer that can cover sideline to sideline. We need a speed WR that can stretch the field. A burner at RB could be helpful as well.
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As long as McClellin is still under his rookie contract he is not going any where. He will be dropped though as soon as it is over unless he signs on the cheap. Like vet minimum. However if we switch to a 3-4 he will be more valuable. Maybe.
We need to draft OL, LB, DB and not necessarily in that order.
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We need to draft ... and not screw around in F.A.
That experiment has proven to suck.
Lamar Houston's at F.A. ... IR ...
GIMME TWO!!
If that is what we want in the future.
Nothing left to lose ... Ego & Sutton in on every play.
Lets see what we drafted & paid for.
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I will be interested to see Bostic perform over the next 4 games. I know there is love for Briggs, but Briggs was blocking Bostic from assuming that position. The lb that I saw at Florida was ferocious
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That would be Jones?
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We need that Urlacher replacement in the middle of the defense.
We need a MLB with athleticism and leadership.
After that a DE pas rusher, safety, OT, speed receiver.
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Usually a MLB can be found lower than the 1st round. If we draft high the choice would be for a DE or a CB first, although I don't disagree with your list of needs
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We need that Urlacher replacement in the middle of the defense.
We need a MLB with athleticism and leadership.
After that a DE pas rusher, safety, OT, speed receiver.
I agree.
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Don't have a real good feeling about this game. Hope we don't get totally spanked.
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So far the funniest sign of the night on pregame from the crowd....
Jay Cutler for MVP!
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Now that is funny. LOL
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I hate 4 yard passes on 3rd and 5. What the hell?
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Bears DL getting blown off the line of scrimmage....
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Well. Sporty should be happy. Cutler really **** that up. Blocked punt. GIve up two 4th down conversions and let Murray run all over you.
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Nice 42 yard pass. But any old 3rd stringer could have made that throw. Now Jay has a 5 yard penalty.
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Cutler decides to go for it on 4th and 7? He got lucky and then gets his best WR hurt.
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Marshall hurt ?
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Bears TD. Despite Cutler only going 5 out of 6 on the drive.
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Yeah. Took a knee in the back.
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Murray making Bears defenders look more slog-footed than usual.
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It's because Cutler doesn't have them fired up to play.
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Omg. McClellan made a play!
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McClellan makes a play....
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3rd and 15. Romo stands in the pocket for 5 seconds and converts. 3 out of 3 on third downs this Drive. Cutler needs to put a stop to this bull ****.
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If you count that with last year's breaking of Rodgers' shoulder, that's two plays in two years for the former first rounder.
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They come back from break and that piece of **** cutler is just sitting on the bench doing nothing.
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Another 3rd down conversion and Cutler still not doing anything about it. I hope they show his ass again when they come back from this break.
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There's the shot. Dallas scores a TD and **** Cutler just sits on the bench twisting his head. WTF is wrong with that guy?
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Horrible defense....geez
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Tony Homo has had all day to dissect the D. Did you see Tyler Clutts put Jarred Allen on his ass? Nice. And Shea made ONE play, but I wish I had a dollar for every play I saw him miss or just standing around.
And why are we not running the ball more? I don't have a good feeling about Marshall, could be broken or **** ribs.
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Little bitie bites by little bitie teams on Thursday night.
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Glad Simms keeps pointing out the fails of Tucker's D. No press on the wideouts giving constant free releases, zone D with defenders so far off the recievers they need binoculars to see em. It's pathetic how wide open their recievers are. Definately a scheme fail. Is Tucker gone yet?
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Jared Allen is younger than Peppers.....
BBBBBBBWWWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH.
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Somewhere in wispondscum there is a cow waiting to be milked.
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Somewhere in Illinois football is played....
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Another drive Cutler fails to score on.
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TD Dallas and the sporty household rejoices.
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This entire team sucks balls! Otto can relate. Of course he does it for fun and beer money...
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The network forgot to show Cutler sitting on the sideline in disgust.
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**** Cutler. Instead of first and ten its 3rd and 15.
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Bring in Clausen
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Can he play safety?
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Yeah. He will make the defense stop someone. He will keep the online from committing costly penalties.
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I dont think a better safety would have helped much more there with how high bryant went for the ball...
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So **** pathetic. I am finally on board with Trestman being fired. This team is clownshoes from top to bottom.
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Damn...if we had only kept McCown
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I think the Play60 kids would run all over the Bears D...
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Romo looks left. Romo looks right. Romo ties his shoe. Romo eats a roast beef. Romo throws a TD to the back of the ends one. And on cue the network shows Cutler sitting on his ass on the sidelines.
No wonder he gets blamed for everything.
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If we only had Tebow or Orton. This game would be different.
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Do the Bears know this is not the last game of the year?
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Another TD.
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Please fire Emery and the entire coaching staff tomorrow.
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Now Bennett is hurt.
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Lol...Phil Simms is channeling sporty and blaming Cutler for this.
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Tebow could have made that throw.
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LOL. Blocked XP.
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Blocked xp wtf!
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Where do you start? Fire them all from Phillips on down? This is **** ridiculous.
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Comical.
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40 yard run given up.
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Then **** up the onside kick with a penalty and a hole the Cowboys could drive two semis through.
I think Trestman has to go. I was in his corner but this is a terrible team in every aspect.
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Phone is dying. I'm out. At least sporty is enjoying the game.
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Phone is dying. I'm out. At least sporty is enjoying the game.
All he needs is a Cutler interception and his night will be perfect
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lol, wow I'm a popular guy tonight! Haven't been watching since it was 14-7. Guess the clown shoes went on and they brought out JoJo the circus boy for entertainment....
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Bears pull to within three scores!!!
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This damn team is awful offensively, defensively, and special teams. How the hell can ANYONE justify keeping that clown Trestman after this game!!!!
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Trestman deserves a medal for getting this group to 5 wins.
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Trestman is totally clueless, Tucker has to be one of the WORSTdefensive coords in the game. Just absolutely horrid. We knew he was bad last year but guess we got to find out he could be even worse.....just another embarrassment on national TV. Watching Colts hereout...screw this clown posse...
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If they were going to can Trestman they would have left him in Green Bay. I want Phillips and company gone but I am resigned to seeing Emery and Trestman run the circus next year. It is the way the Bears roll.
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It's amazing that each and every week we get to see the same crap repeated, over and over and over. Conte hurting himself and leaving early? Check. Cutler throwing a int? Check. The defense crapping all over themselves? Check. Losing by a crapload of points? Check. NO ONE being held responsible for this weekly debacle. Check. Tucker somehow keeping his job. Check. He must have pics of the owners in compromising positions. There's just nothing good to say about any of this. Embarrassing....
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WOO HOO !! We kept a team from scoring more then 50 points on us !
Limited their runner to only 179 yards rushing. :D
There's hope.
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If this team had any balls at all, they would fire Tucker today. At some point you have to show some concern about representing the city of Chicago. The thing about it is, as bad as the D is, the O is no better. When your offense can't convert 3rd downs and continually give the ball back to an opposing O (and you have a shitty defense) this is the result. There is no doubt in my mind that Trestman is a **** idiot!!!!!
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I thought Trestman was supposed to be some offensive guru. I see nothing but a predictable offense that opposing D's have no problem stopping.'
The D continues to play zone and gets carved up play after play.
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Cutler asserted he still has faith in the direction of the organization with all the losses piling up and that he retains a belief in the Bears’ coaches.
“I’ve been on teams where on Sunday, you knew the plan wasn’t going to be good enough,” Cutler said. “And I’ve never lined up with this crew and felt like, ‘This plan isn’t going to get it done. We don’t have enough.’ Or ‘We’re outmatched.’ Or ‘We’re outschemed.’ That has never been a thought of mine.”
Really? I hope he's he's lying through his teeth. If not, then he definitely needs to go when Trestman does..
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"This team competes hard every day to get better, and it competes hard in the football game," coach Marc Trestman said. "That would be totally disrespecting our football team to think they're not going out and competing as hard as they can."
Aap, aap, aap... He's got a knee.... Wow!! Well I have news for you Trestman, you're totally disrespecting me as a fan... You **** jagoff!!!!
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I saw this over on twitter
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3eYeb3IAAMS9Fa.jpg)
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Harbaugh, HMMMMMM he has totally lost control of his team, misuses his QB
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If they're competing as hard as they can, the problem is that the players really, really suck at football.
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It's amazing that each and every week we get to see the same crap repeated, over and over and over. Cutler throwing a int? Check. The defense crapping all over themselves? Check. Embarrassing....
You're seriously going to call out Cutler for that int? The one that came in the final minute and a half when he is forced to throw because we need two scores and his 2 best red-zone targets are out of the game hurt? He threw for 340 yds, passed for 2 TDs and ran for another. What the hell do you expect from him?
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Expect him to be Kyle Orton?
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Well I went to bed at half time, taped the rest of the game. Don't know if I will watch it. I no longer care about this particular team, at all. I used to check here 20-30 times a day for updates/comments, along with several other sites. But these players just don't give a ****. Lance Romance Briggs set the tone with his I don't pay attention in meetings when I am hurt. Why should I??? Even when the team was bad I used to watch every single play, looking for something good/exciting. Now all I see is the same stupid mistakes over and over and over, on both sides of the ball. It is sickening.
You guys can argue whether it is Cutlers fault or not, either way, he has SOME blame. But put me in the category of fire Phillips, Emery, Trestman, and a third of the players. A head coach of Harbaugh and DC of Ryan seems like a pipe dream. I think Trestman gets another year with a new DC, and it will be the same lack of respect and discipline. The Monsters of the Midway are now truly the Bad News Bears. Since I don't care so much any more, I have gotten a lot of my time back each day.
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I blame the MONEY
A lot of these guys are in it for $$$ - not so much for the love of the game anymore - and the College game is losing its identity as well
Cutler really doesn't appear to enjoy the game
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it wasn't that long ago that Jason Garrett and Tony Romo were on the hot seat. With a couple of 1st round OL they look pretty good. If Marinelli can get a little more pass rush they will be pretty tough.
Romo and Cutler are a lot alike.
We should have run more.
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Why? Forte wasn't getting anything on the ground at all last night. When he was handed the ball the Cowboys were on him immediately.
You would think the "guru" could've done better.
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The Cowboys have 3 first rounders on the OL. We have 1. I would say our OL still has a long ways to go. Not making excuses, just stating how sorry things are.
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Anyone waiting for the first installment of Jimmy Clausen: The Chicago Years will have to find some way to drown their sorrows.
Bears coach Marc Trestman met the media on Friday after his team fell to 5-8 in a 41-28 loss to the Cowboys on Thursday night and he was asked if the team would take a look at Clausen at some point in the final weeks of a lost season. Trestman indicated that the only way that would happen is if Jay Cutler suffered an injury that forced him out of the lineup.
“Jay’s our quarterback. If he’s available to play, he’s going to play,” Trestman said, via the team.
Cutler was 32-of-46 for 341 yards and two touchdowns on Thursday while struggling early before mounting a comeback effort in the second half. He also ran for a touchdown and threw an interception, which makes for an imperfect but hardly incompetent performance. Clausen has seen mop-up duty three times this year and hasn’t started since 2010, when he was often a lot closer to incompetent for the Panthers.
While it might make sense for the Bears to check out options as they play out the string, it’s hard to view Clausen as a serious one in the event the team decides to pull the plug on Cutler this offseason.
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I would want to see more of him just to see if he's worthy of the backup spot..
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When Cutler had time in the pocket last night, he looked pretty good...
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I see where Marshall has a couple a broken ribs and a collapsed lung..
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Anyone waiting for the first installment of Jimmy Clausen: The Chicago Years will have to find some way to drown their sorrows.
Bears coach Marc Trestman met the media on Friday after his team fell to 5-8 in a 41-28 loss to the Cowboys on Thursday night and he was asked if the team would take a look at Clausen at some point in the final weeks of a lost season. Trestman indicated that the only way that would happen is if Jay Cutler suffered an injury that forced him out of the lineup.
“Jay’s our quarterback. If he’s available to play, he’s going to play,” Trestman said, via the team.
Cutler was 32-of-46 for 341 yards and two touchdowns on Thursday while struggling early before mounting a comeback effort in the second half. He also ran for a touchdown and threw an interception, which makes for an imperfect but hardly incompetent performance. Clausen has seen mop-up duty three times this year and hasn’t started since 2010, when he was often a lot closer to incompetent for the Panthers.
While it might make sense for the Bears to check out options as they play out the string, it’s hard to view Clausen as a serious one in the event the team decides to pull the plug on Cutler this offseason.
Yes I am waiting to see just what Claussen and Fales have too. With 3 games to go and the season all but over it behooves the Bears to see what they have in both backups. While I don't envision either backup being our QB of the future, it still is something to visit before the season is over. My opinion is Fales is too green and Claussen cant read defenses any Better than Cuttler.
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But the sad thing is Trestman isn't even going to consider it. dumb ass.
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I see where Marshall has a couple a broken ribs and a collapsed lung..
That hit looked nasty, but I somehow don't expect a fine over it. The kidneys are just below where the knee hit. Viewing the hit I thought it was a kidney hit.
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But the sad thing is Trestman isn't even going to consider it. dumb ass.
He may get told to do so. It wouldn't shock me if it were to happen
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Neither of those guys are the answer...they're just placeholders...
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If there is any hope at all of moving Cutler in the offseason, he has to play to boost his trade stock.
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Would rather see Fales over Clausen. Trestman ain't exactly making great decisions so doesn't surprise me he's not looking at other options. Tucker's still around. D is still making terrible plays consistently. Nothing is changing week to week. They are consistently bad...
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Last years OL is history in the books this season and it shows.
I have no explanation for the DEFENSE this season other than pointing fingers.
In a weird sort of way ... we could still end up at 8-8.
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If there is any hope at all of moving Cutler in the offseason, he has to play to boost his trade stock.
I don't see Cutler going anywhere. I bet you'll see Trestman go before Jay..
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I believe Jay has one more year in Chicago. That would be 2 years out of the 3 guaranteed contract
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I don't see him leaving either...
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Wshfl - Sorry I was driving back from Florida. Bostic was who I was referring to and he went to Florida. Christian Jones went to Florida State. I think those 2 need to get as much time playing these last 3 games and I would like to see them in their projected positions. Jones at strong and Bostic at weak. I would move McClellan into middle just to see what we have. DJ Williams is not in the plans
We have given up two games over 50 and another over 40, another 38, and another 34 points. At this point it should be a tryout at all the positions
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Wshfl - Sorry I was driving back from Florida. Bostic was who I was referring to and he went to Florida. Christian Jones went to Florida State. I think those 2 need to get as much time playing these last 3 games and I would like to see them in their projected positions. Jones at strong and Bostic at weak. I would move McClellan into middle just to see what we have. DJ Williams is not in the plans
We have given up two games over 50 and another over 40, another 38, and another 34 points. At this point it should be a tryout at all the positions
McClellin is one brain dead motherfuck.
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A first rounder at that... That in itself has killed this team. I know you can't hit on all picks but damn, our first round history isn't anything to brag about..
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Maybe we should only draft guys in the first round with the first name Kyle? Seems to be working...
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A first rounder at that... That in itself has killed this team. I know you can't hit on all picks but damn, our first round history isn't anything to brag about..
Yes but we do have Kyle Fuller floating out there in the ether somewhere as a first rounder.
The whole idea was Peanut and him ... the **** beard fruit ...
however the **** did not bear BEARS fruit upon injury.
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Screwing up a 1st round pick was an Angelo tradition. In Emery's defense McClellin was a pick for Lovie, and Emery's very first pick as a GM. Yes its a shame he seems to be a bust, but I will give him a pass on that one. Just don't let it happen again ;D ;D
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Screwing up a 1st round pick was an Angelo tradition. In Emery's defense McClellin was a pick for Lovie, and Emery's very first pick as a GM. Yes its a shame he seems to be a bust, but I will give him a pass on that one. Just don't let it happen again ;D ;D
I wonder how we are going to play the next first round pick ?
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I won't be upset if it is another OL.
OL or impact defensive player.
We need a WR with wheels too.
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We have so many defensive needs its hard to think of OL any earlier than 6th. I think the biggest needs are in the back nine.
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if we have a decent OL, Cutler gets time and we score 30 points a game, kind of like last year.
With a really good OL, we can run the ball at will and Cutler doesn't have to do as much and the D stays off the field.
We just need the defense to not give up 35.
I think we need a DC that will have more creative blitz packages. We don't have the pass rush to sit back in a zone too much.
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Nav, I understand what you are saying and agree, except for one thing. Cuttler is not that kind of QB. He isn't a handoff QB, he is a pass happy off his back foot QB. IMHO if he had a HOF OLine he wouldn't be any different. He is what he is and you arent going to change him.
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With a really good OL, we can run the ball at will and Cutler doesn't have to do as much and the D stays off the field.
A lot of truth in that. Bears O-line is pretty darn good pass blocking but they can't run block worth a crap. Maybe it's because of the play calling and they never develop a rhythm or a run mentality or maybe they just don't have the talent and need to upgrade RT and Center. I just think there are such huge holes on defense that offense isn't going to get much attention in the offseason.
With Marshall out the Bears will be able to evaluate Wilson but another WR for depth may be needed in the offseason but again we need starters on defense.
He isn't a handoff QB, he is a pass happy off his back foot QB. IMHO if he had a HOF OLine he wouldn't be any different. He is what he is and you arent going to change him.
They said the same thing about Tony Romo!
In the last couple of games Cutler has thrown the ball 48 and 46 times. The Bears ran the ball 20 times combined in those 2 games! Add in 3 sacks and 3 QB runs and the run pass play-call ratio is 20/100!
Our opponents defense over play the run and force the Bears into pass mode where they know they aren't going to get beat with the home run. Then the Bears defense starts giving up points and the offense totally abandons the run and the Bears are forced to hope Cutler can win the game.
Tony Romo has been rarely asked to win the game this year like he has in the past. And the Cowboys despite a horrible defense could be going to the playoffs.
They are running the ball effectively and keeping their defense off the field.
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I was wondering why Groy was in there last Thursday thinking maybe Ola got hurt but it looks like they are going to go with Groy from here on out. I thought Ola did a credible job playing RT, LG, and LT this season filling for injured starters. But maybe he's just backup and they want to see what Groy can do.
Ola did have a critical hold last week on 3rd down that killed a drive but maybe he was just not doing a good job to get replaced in the middle of a game.
I do recall Groy in preseason struggling but Thursday night he looked like was holding his own. This article talks about Groy and also says he played most of his career at LG at Wisconsin but played some center and that he may be projected to center:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-ryan-groy-michael-ola-lineup-20141208-story.html
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They're forcing Cutler to win the games and he can't get it done. What-a-surprise. Angelow really really left this team threadbare. We've got the choice of taking some help on the Oline or entirely fixing the defensive side. It's the choice between fixing a flat tire and repairing the brakes that are entirely gone.....we aren't going anywhere regardless...
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I was wondering why Groy was in there last Thursday thinking maybe Ola got hurt but it looks like they are going to go with Groy from here on out. I thought Ola did a credible job playing RT, LG, and LT this season filling for injured starters. But maybe he's just backup and they want to see what Groy can do.
Ola did have a critical hold last week on 3rd down that killed a drive but maybe he was just not doing a good job to get replaced in the middle of a game.
I do recall Groy in preseason struggling but Thursday night he looked like was holding his own. This article talks about Groy and also says he played most of his career at LG at Wisconsin but played some center and that he may be projected to center:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-ryan-groy-michael-ola-lineup-20141208-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-ryan-groy-michael-ola-lineup-20141208-story.html)
i knew they were going to keep Groy when they got him.
Somebody may have noticed we drafted a RB in the fourth ...
whatever happened to him?
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He is on the roster and has played, not that he is worth crowing about.
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Trestman rarely plays his backups on offense...or I should say rarely utilizes them.
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Hard to utilize RB's when you're down 3 TD's in the 1st half...
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Correct.
Or when your QB can't read defenses and your head coach keeps calling pass plays.
Who ever gave Culter the 3 year minium extension should be fired. WHY didn't they franchise tag him? I guessing he would have played better with the franchise tag.
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I guessing he would have played better with the franchise tag.
Statistically he is playing better this year than any of his previous years.
I just think this fan base doesn't know how to criticize anyone except the QB. They have been so good at it for so many decades (rightfully so) that they don't know how to point the finger at anything else. It's not working so it has to be the QB.
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Hard to utilize RB's when you're down 3 TD's in the 1st half...
At that point Forte's role is reduced to pass blocking and standing 5 yards beyond the line of scrimmage with his back to the defense waiting for a dumpoff so he can get drilled by a 240ll linebacker. I think Carey could do that.
Or when your QB can't read defenses and your head coach keeps calling pass plays.
For the most part Cutler can read defenses but sometimes his decision making drives me nuts. On the replay you say 'Why the F*** are you throwing it to that guy?' The problem in that situation is that the defense KNOWS your going to pass...there's no element of indecision...everybody is playing pass.
As for Trestman, it's not like he abandons the run for the pass...he ignores the run from the get go. Sometimes you just got to be patient and keep banging into that brick wall and eventually you break through. But when our defense is giving up 3rd and 15s and never makes the other team punt...Trestman loses patience with the run quickly.
And I'm getting tired of that WR screen play. And whatever happened to that end around we ran with Jeffery every game last season...I think we've only run that once every couple of games now.
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Agreed - even Barry Sanders would get stuffed repeatedly and eventually break a long one
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And I'm getting tired of that WR screen play.
Me too!!!! It has run it's course!
Personally, I blame play calling as much as anything..
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3rd and 15...Romo throws to Witten who eludes Bostic.
When Bears face 3rd and long...it's bail out time. Screen to Forte or the WR screen.
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Hard to utilize RB's when you're down 3 TD's in the 1st half...
At that point Forte's role is reduced to pass blocking and standing 5 yards beyond the line of scrimmage with his back to the defense waiting for a dumpoff so he can get drilled by a 240ll linebacker. I think Carey could do that.
Or when your QB can't read defenses and your head coach keeps calling pass plays.
For the most part Cutler can read defenses but sometimes his decision making drives me nuts. On the replay you say 'Why the F*** are you throwing it to that guy?' The problem in that situation is that the defense KNOWS your going to pass...there's no element of indecision...everybody is playing pass.
As for Trestman, it's not like he abandons the run for the pass...he ignores the run from the get go. Sometimes you just got to be patient and keep banging into that brick wall and eventually you break through. But when our defense is giving up 3rd and 15s and never makes the other team punt...Trestman loses patience with the run quickly.
And I'm getting tired of that WR screen play. And whatever happened to that end around we ran with Jeffery every game last season...I think we've only run that once every couple of games now.
Dal, You have correctly pointed out the problem about DAA BEARRSSE offense ...
DAA BEARRSSE defense.
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You expect your offense to control the clock and keep your D off the field...
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You expect your offense to control the clock and keep your D off the field...
...and you expect your defense to have a few 3 and outs and give your offense the ball with decent field position.
Bears haven't done well with either proposition.
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Yep, can't argue with that..
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(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z2rhF-0A5vc/VIjvAoiuKxI/AAAAAAAAGuU/qXK0CZjBSRk/w506-h284/stuck.bmp)
About says it all...
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(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z2rhF-0A5vc/VIjvAoiuKxI/AAAAAAAAGuU/qXK0CZjBSRk/w506-h284/stuck.bmp)
About says it all...
Sporty,
Great scene from Austin Powers first movie! Ohhh behaaaaaaaaaave !
YEAH BABY !!
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I wonder how serious DJ Williams neck injury really was to put him on IR.
Appears that Emery may be forcing the coaches to play the youngsters which is a good thing.
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While I agree its a good thing to play the youngsters, if Emery is the one doing it, or forcing it, that is a bad thing.
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The coaches decides who plays on the roster but Emery decides who is on the roster.
Emery has to be in next year mode...Can Bostic Play? Can Chirstian Jones play? I'd also like to see more action for Sharpton, if healthy, as well as Cornelius Washington and David Bass. Those last 2 barely play on defense. It's obvious Willie Young plays better when he doesn't have to play almost every play.
Need to see more of Ferguson and Sutton.
We'll see more of Marquise Wilson with Marshall out.
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Well the Kromer-Cutler-Trestman presser was a white noise event...nobody was fired,Cutler was cool like that, Trestman will handle it internally...whatever
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Shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic....who gives a flip anymore....
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Yeah I know
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If any of you bear fans are going to the game today, don't forget your bear bags.
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Rainy and mid-40s for the game tonight - unlikely that changes the outcome of an ugly game either way
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Imagine paying to sit in this crap and watch crap....
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Almost as bad as having to read your crap.
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Tell ya what, I'm done....I'm out, I'm gone.....nice knowing you Peke, JJ. I cannot handle the stupidity here anymore. There are some great fans here but there are too many dumbasses can't see past their noses and I've had it. Have a great life......
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I bet Drew Brees has a woody right now:
The Bears’ inactives are safety Chris Conte, kicker Robbie Gould, quarterback David Fales, guard Michael Ola, defensive tackle Brandon Dunn, cornerback Terrance Mitchell and defensive end Trevor Scott.
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:P
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Lawrence Tynes @lt4kicks
Again I am forced to watch "poopy pants" Cutler play football. What did we do wrong as NFL fans to be subjected to this guy every week #yawn
https://twitter.com/lt4kicks/status/544630732514406400
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Maybe Cutler will be able to stat pad late again after this becomes a blowout.
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This game is hard to watch.
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Both of these teams suck ass!
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Maybe this offense will be able to get a 1st down or two the next half.
This team is beyond ridiculous.
Led by a loser QB and an entire coaching staff.
7-0 Saints. Pour it on New Orleans.
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Current QB rating:
Brees = 158.3
Poopy Pants = 10
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These guys are mailing it in. PATHETIC!
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When did Forte forget how to pick up a blitz
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Fire them all. Fake punt with ten men. unreal. This team **** sucks.
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Fake punt with 10 men.
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Monday Night Bumble Bowl game.
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Why do I care about this ****?
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Same reason people rubber neck at car accidents.
Follow the beaver or listen to Sarah Palin.
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I think what we needed with our insufferable football was some insufferable political commentary. Thanks for that, otts.
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I know what you mean Otto. I couldn't stop watching the Bills game yesterday!
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Why do our DB's bail at the snap every **** play. it is idiotic!
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You watched the Packers game yesterday because you like football.
Your watching tonight because you like going to the Shrine Circus. Did you get your neon light stick?
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The bears D is the football equivalent of the guy who throws batting practice before big league baseball games
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I don't see how you bring back Trestman next year
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I can't make a case for it...
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The guy who throws BP is earning his pay, though...
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Willie Young has been a nice surprise.
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Again, the owners want to make money. Winning is secondary. Its been going on since forever. Tuned in Just in time to see cutler end the half with an int. perfect. Aside from Tucker and the st coach, I'll be shocked if anyone else goes unless they choose to go. Money.
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I think the announcers could just take the second half off and put in some clown music. The D is horrid, but bad Jay is making a point, Kromer has to go. LOL And I love the Shea out of position so he sticks his leg our and trips the RB. Sigh.
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Jay looks lost without Brandon Marshall, his security blanket. His passes have been off the mark or in the dirt. He is lucky he only has 2 INTs. I don't see how anyone can defend his first half of play tonight. I think I will tape the second half, so at least I can fast forward thru the carnage.
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Just play the music from Benny Hill when Trestman calls a pass play...
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Cutler has been horrible....not even close to being ready to compete
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BLEEEEECH!!!!!!
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Giving Cutler all that money for this...how do you bring back Emery?
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The whole team is playing like they have nothing to play for. Ooooops!
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Picked!
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Hopefully this leads to a complete housecleaning from Phillips on down. Blackhawks and Bulls are at the top of their game. Cubs and Sox making some offseason noise. Ownership better see that they need to do something drastic if they want to stay relevant in Chicago.
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Actually the D is playing hard but they don't have the talent and the scheme is terrible.
On O they have the talent but just don't seem to give a ****.
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Phillips on down works for me!
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Time for the Bears offense to CLAW BACK to within two scores...
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Marriotti is a keeper. One of the few bright spots of this team. He does well with zero blocking.
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Pekin - YES - they must start with Ted Phillips - it's his mess. Kum ba ya .....Group hug!!!
Cutler trying to get another O coordinator FIRED.
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Bears with a GRITTY SCORE!!!!
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The weekly stat padding has begun.
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Bears HANG 8 on one of the worst defenses in the NFL
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Second worst defense in the league. The Bears have the worst defense.
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But yeah a whopping 8 points. Then only after being dominated the entire game.
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Bears with another TD!!!!
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Bears are garbage time champs >:( >:( >:(
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31-15 at home. Brutal.
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Ok I'm officially hoping we get blown out the rest of the way, so they will have to clean house
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'If I'm Marc Trestman, I'm looking at Jimmy Clausen the rest of the way, it's just not happening for Jay Cutler. Really?? Really!'- John Gruden
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'If I'm Marc Trestman, I'm looking at Jimmy Clausen the rest of the way, it's just not happening for Jay Cutler. Really?? Really!'- John Gruden
Sporty no way in hell do I dump JCut at this point in time over Clauson because
that takes his trade value off the board.
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JJ, at this point with continual nationally televised embarrassments being added to his resume, I'm not sure the trade value is increasing. Media had a presser after the game with him and he was asked a couple questions and the media sat there stone faced with nothing more. It was real uncomfortable for Jay, because it sure as hell seemed like no one cared what he had to say. Jay goes to his offscreen helper 'are we going to sit here and wait for them? (the media to say something) Only crickets chirping....so Jay gets up and walks off stage. Very telling and very uncomfortable. Jay almost looked as if he had been crying or upset before the meeting. He does not look good....dare I say I almost felt sorry for the guy
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Something just ain't right with Jay. I mean, even I know he's a better QB than he's been playing. He's gotten real bad lately. Total confidence loss. He can't even make a simple throw anymore. Throws it at people's feet. Mid level throws are high or behind or low. Forget the deep passes. He has regressed terribly, to the point he's a bottom feeder QB right now. He's still got the wrong feet, wrong decision making throwing into coverage, inability to look off safeties. If another team sees him and thinks to themselves they can fix him, then more power to em. He needs a offseason in the Bahama's far far away from Chicago to clear his mind. He's done himself no favors for sure...
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JJ, at this point with continual nationally televised embarrassments being added to his resume, I'm not sure the trade value is increasing. Media had a presser after the game with him and he was asked a couple questions and the media sat there stone faced with nothing more. It was real uncomfortable for Jay, because it sure as hell seemed like no one cared what he had to say. Jay goes to his offscreen helper 'are we going to sit here and wait for them? (the media to say something) Only crickets chirping....so Jay gets up and walks off stage. Very telling and very uncomfortable. Jay almost looked as if he had been crying or upset before the meeting. He does not look good....dare I say I almost felt sorry for the guy
TWO MOVES ...
1.Eat his contract
2. Draft a QB
JCut has diabetes ... has anyone ever factored this in ?
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As much dislike there is for the guy in Chicago, I cannot see how they bring him back next season. They're digging a bigger grave for Trestman's return as well. The guy is a very obvious UNmotivator! I don't know how many times tonight the announcing crew repeated 'they look disinterested, lethargic, unmotivated'. It was alot. And then they rush only at the end when the game is completely lost and not earlier when there was a shard of a shard of a chance. This team is so gone. Tucker is a towel boy, not a coordinator and the thing that sucks about that is we knew it LAST season. Can't remember the last time I've seen so many big time losses strung together in a row. Something drastic has to happen in the offseason, that is a given. Hopefully a complete rebuild with quality components this time....a huge miracle I know...
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As much dislike there is for the guy in Chicago, I cannot see how they bring him back next season. They're digging a bigger grave for Trestman's return as well. The guy is a very obvious UNmotivator! I don't know how many times tonight the announcing crew repeated 'they look disinterested, lethargic, unmotivated'. It was alot. And then they rush only at the end when the game is completely lost and not earlier when there was a shard of a shard of a chance. This team is so gone. Tucker is a towel boy, not a coordinator and the thing that sucks about that is we knew it LAST season. Can't remember the last time I've seen so many big time losses strung together in a row. Something drastic has to happen in the offseason, that is a given. Hopefully a complete rebuild with quality components this time....a huge miracle I know...
Sporty whats interesting is we have seen other teams fall apart like this recently.
Atlanta ... Houston ... NYJ's ... NYG's ... and yes ... N.O.
Heavyweight teams a YEAR ago ... what happened? All the number were there.
If you look at THE CHICAGO BEARS ... there's other teams to look at also.
WHY ... does it fall apart ? Not just for us but other teams also. ???
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Right now, every one of those teams you mentioned would beat the Bears arse badly. The Bears have descended to be one of the top three worst teams in the league. They are asbolutely hapless and lost. Been a long long time since I've seen them this horrid. They've endured a putrifying stretch of blowouts unlike any in recent memory. Everyone should be up for firing when it's said and done. Keep the few that showed flashes and hope, ditch the entire remaining bowl of excrement and start from the top down.
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TWO MOVES ...
1.Eat his contract
2. Draft a QB
JCut has diabetes ... has anyone ever factored this in ?
I have. I think its a possible factor. More likely is a shoulder injury that's being covered up. Cuttler looked glassy-eyed after a sack. I still don't see why Trestman didn't pull him in the 1st half. Its time for some splinters Jay
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OTOH Trestman may be playing for a better draft pick, although I have no confidence Claussen would change anything.
Another curious thought is that Cuttler is playing for a trade out of Chicago and has had enough of the zoo here.
If Trestman were really concerned about winning or his job, you'd think he would have made a QB change before now.
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Just another thought. If Daniel Snyder would eat Cuttler's contract I'd trade Cuttler to Washington for Kirk Cousins.
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If Cutler IS tanking to get traded he is even a bigger douche than anyone thought.
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Then they must all be tanking because there is not one good thing going on out there now. Cutler terrible, o-line terrible (7 sacks),Forte not terrible but not good.(ever heard of picking up a blitz?) D-terrible. Bennet seemed to be the only one that gave any effort and he had one clank off his hands for that early int. Coaching is beyond terrible. (10 guys on the field for a fake punt?) No...it's all of them. just hope management has the stones to blow it up and start over.
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I'd trade Cuttler to Washington for Kirk Cousins.
You meant the same Cousins who was an inactive last game because he sucks so bad?
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Something just ain't right with Jay. I mean, even I know he's a better QB than he's been playing. He's gotten real bad lately. Total confidence loss. He can't even make a simple throw anymore. Throws it at people's feet. Mid level throws are high or behind or low. Forget the deep passes. He has regressed terribly, to the point he's a bottom feeder QB right now. He's still got the wrong feet, wrong decision making throwing into coverage, inability to look off safeties. If another team sees him and thinks to themselves they can fix him, then more power to em. He needs a offseason in the Bahama's far far away from Chicago to clear his mind. He's done himself no favors for sure...
I tend to agree.
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The salary cap hit for trading/releasing Cutler would probably be too great - and what other team's backup would we bring in to take his place?
I'd be shocked if Cutler's not here next season. Tucker and De Camillas not so much. Trestman is iffy. Emery is probably most secure of the bunch.
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I love how the false starts are now being blamed on Cutler. ???
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Anything less than a complete re-tooling including Emery is unacceptable...I would even like to go higher and move Phillips out. He got his reward for the stadium deal already so time to move along.
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Gruden is supposedly the QB guru, and last night he sounded like a guy that wouldnt take the Bears job for anything as long as Cutler was under center.
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I love how the false starts are now being blamed on Cutler. ???
Of course...and he was supposed to be on the field for that fake punt. He was the 11th guy missing. He's just uncoachable
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Yup, all the more reason he is available. Look, I am not looking for a hissy fit with anybody. I just want make people think a little bit. Is Kirk Cousins the equal or better than Cuttler? NO. If you think you are better off keeping Cuttler and his bloated contract, you are dead wrong. If you think unless you are trading Cuttler for a better QB that takes you to the Superbowl you should keep him then you need to re-think your opinion. I think anybody who is willing to take Cuttler's contract needs serious attention. You need to get out of a bad contract and start over. A deal whereby you get starting QB back isn't all bad. Think about what we traded for Cuttler. We traded a starting QB and 2-3rd round picks. We cant afford to send picks to any team to take Cuttler and nobody is going to give us picks for him. I think a change of scenery for Cuttler and Cousins is a good deal for both teams.
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Gruden is supposedly the QB guru, and last night he sounded like a guy that wouldnt take the Bears job for anything as long as Cutler was under center.
I would give anything to see him hired somewhere so MNF could be watchable again but I certainly don't want him for the Bears
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I don't see any way that Washington can afford the Cutler contract.
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I would give anything to see him hired somewhere so MNF could be watchable again but I certainly don't want him for the Bears
That's why I record the games so I can FF through all the announcer BS.
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There's one play I almost threw my remote thru the screen.
Earlier in the game the Saints were near the goal line and faked a run left and Brees boot legged right. Mundy recognized the play and immediately rushed Brees who kept rolling and found the TE open because Christian Jones (a rookie) had no idea to follow the TE. Touchdown.
Same scenario in the 2nd half. Same play. This time Mundy stays with the TE and Jones is again clueless on what is happening. Then for some unknown reason Mundy just stops and looks back towards the LOS. Brees keeps rolling, TE even wider open and Jones is again late.
This bootleg play has been run against the Bears near their own goal line ALL SEASON...beginning with the Buffalo game.
I'll cut Jones some slack since he's only starting his 3rd game but it's not Tucker's 3rd game.
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I would give anything to see him hired somewhere so MNF could be watchable again but I certainly don't want him for the Bears
Get used to him. If you missed it they announced that he signed a new 6 year extension that takes him through 2021 on MNF.
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I like Cousins, but no way do I trade straight up. Cutler will be back next season, we all may as well get used to it. I can't get over how bad he looked last night. My guess is Trestman will be back as well, and he's the the real problem. I read that Trestman is pretty much hands off when it comes to the D, he concentrates on the O. Bring in Rex Ryan to run the defense.
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I like Cousins, but no way do I trade straight up. Cutler will be back next season, we all may as well get used to it. I can't get over how bad he looked last night. My guess is Trestman will be back as well, and he's the the real problem. I read that Trestman is pretty much hands off when it comes to the D, he concentrates on the O. Bring in Rex Ryan to run the defense.
Not even with Cutler's high salary? Finding someone to take on that contract without dumping an equally bad deal on us is going to be like finding a needle in a haystack. Well why would Rex Ryan take an offer to coach the defense in Chicago? That's about like expecting a miracle to happen?
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Where's Rex gonna go? Most likely his head coaching is done for a bit..
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The problem is not finding a taker for Cutler's salary. It's that Bears' salary cap takes a major hit when the bonus can no longer be spread out over X amount of the years on Culter's contract.
As Chif says Cutler will be back.
And I'd take RGIII before I'd take Cousins but it ain't gonna happen.
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No decent coordinator is going to come here if they know Trestman is on thin ice. Unless it's a clean sweep it is a waste of time. It will just be adding different bad coordinators.
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I'm sure it's just a pipe dream, but I think Rex is just crazy enough that he'd do it..... Yeah, I know, He ain't coming to Chicago...
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I wouldn't take RG111 to play, even to play for free
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I read someplace that Rex Ryan is going to have a broadcast gig if he gets canned. So it isn't like he will need a job.
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Put me on the Ryan or Harbaugh band wagon. I do not want to give up a draft pick for a coach though. We need every single one we got and then some. So if it costs draft picks scratch any coach.
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As many here have posted I hope that Bears upper management look to move Emory et al out the door and my wish is exploring what it would take move Cutler and Marshall(his crazy is poison IMO).
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If we could get a new GM, and he could pull off moving Cutler and Marshall, that would be one hell of a start.
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Amen boogie
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Better get rid of Forte too. If you are doing a complete rebuild he is long in the tooth. Sell high.
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If we got all new coaches, I would hang onto Cutler and Marshall. I know, I must be **** crazy.
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If we got all new coaches, I would hang onto Cutler and Marshall. I know, I must be **** crazy.
LOL!!! Yes chi, sadly, you are... ;)
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.....man. Think I'd keep Forte. We need something to build around and going fire sale is gonna make for one long long long season....again, I guess.....
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There's no value with Forte. He's ancient in running back years...28? He's still got it and hopefully has it for another 2 or 3 years (think Marcus Allen).
These last 2 games I want to see more of Kadeem Carey...that guy hits a hole hard whether there's a hole or not.
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I wouldn't trade Forte. I don't think Kadeem Carey is worth 10 dry farts
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Seriously ... if everything stays in place outside of D.C. and ST coach.
Then what do we need?
Because you know damn good and well nothing else is going to change.
Phillips is intact. Emery is intact. Trestman is intact.
That being said ... what input will a new D.C. & ST coach have input into the draft?
DAA BEARRSSE defense is tired ... it's old and ran thru the wringer.
Going apeshit on hiring F.A.'s on defense without replacing older players on defense is a waste of time.
JCut has had his gourd mindfucked this year ... and for that ...
I don't have an answer. Being sacked 7 times doesn't help.
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If the Bears eat Trestman's contract (big if), I can't see them eating Cutlers as well. Cutler hasn't been worth a ****, I get that. But the more the season went on, it's become evident that this coaching staff is horrible..
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As I was watching the second half of the game and they were showing Briggs and Tillman on the sideline, I really think those two, Briggs mainly, were the downfall of Trestman. Well sort of. They never did buy into Tuckers D, made him use Lovies old scheme and terms last year, Briggs came in fat and out of shape and hasn't played worth a damn in two years, and the Saturday before the season started he goes to open a new restaurant. Now true, Trestman didn't take charge, and offers no discipline which is evident in so many ways. I read somewhere that they used to have music in the locker room and Trestman said turn it off and Briggs and Tillman pleaded to get it turned back on cause it was what they had with Lovie.
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If the Bears eat Trestman's contract (big if), I can't see them eating Cutlers as well. Cutler hasn't been worth a ****, I get that. But the more the season went on, it's become evident that this coaching staff is horrible..
I don't think its a matter of money - I think its a matter of the salary cap which impacts the makeup of the personnel. You get rid of Cutler and suddenly your cap drops and not only can't you re-sign your own FAs you can't sign anyone else's. (not that we need to be re-signing our own FAs).
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Looking more and more that my "big if" isn't an if. The more I read it seems as if Trestman will be showed the door at the end of the season. Am I the only one here that thinks Harbaugh would be a good fit for Chicago?
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Looking more and more that my "big if" isn't an if. The more I read it seems as if Trestman will be showed the door at the end of the season. Am I the only one here that thinks Harbaugh would be a good fit for Chicago?
I worry about the reports that Harbaugh has lost the locker room in SF. Isn't that the same problem we have here with just a different personality coach?
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I don't know. I'd have to wonder why all of a sudden he's lost the team. He turned that team around from where Singletary had 'em. Everywhere he's coached he seems as if he's been successful. Former Bear, understands the Bears tradition (besides losing), understands the rivalry with Green bay, has some fire. Who do you guys think we should go after? Can't believe we're talking about a new coach again..
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The big question is whether the Bears hierarchy feels he is a good fit. So if you fire Emery who is your GM? and will he want Harbaugh. He doesn't get along with his GM in SF. Lets see just who gets fired and who stays first. My point is we don't want any more discord by bringing in another malcontent. But as for coaching Harbaugh seems an acceptable choice. The one thing I am going to stipulate is we need better talent evaluation. I'd rather see someone like Ozzie Newsome in here as a talent evaluator. This team is highly undertalented.
I just don't see the McCaskets eating Emery, Trestman and the whole coaching staff's contracts and starting over. I just don't see it. Its out of character and it doesn't make good business sense. If they do that I would be in shock.
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As I was watching the second half of the game and they were showing Briggs and Tillman on the sideline, I really think those two, Briggs mainly, were the downfall of Trestman. Well sort of. They never did buy into Tuckers D, made him use Lovies old scheme and terms last year, Briggs came in fat and out of shape and hasn't played worth a damn in two years, and the Saturday before the season started he goes to open a new restaurant. Now true, Trestman didn't take charge, and offers no discipline which is evident in so many ways. I read somewhere that they used to have music in the locker room and Trestman said turn it off and Briggs and Tillman pleaded to get it turned back on cause it was what they had with Lovie.
I don't buy the the but into Tuckers D logic. First of all, Tillman only played in only a handful of games in 2 years under Tucker - he was injured.
Granted Briggs is getting older but he was EASILY the best LBer out there and he was playing at a high level prior to his injury. If Briggs is in there Murray doesn't run for 170...maybe 130.
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THe point is that they were the leaders in the locker room. If they were not on board, the rest followed.
And I read someplace that Harbough likes Tom Gamble as GM and they work well together.
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I seem to recall that during the season, at various times ,it was reported on ESPN, NFLTV,that Harbaugh battled with the GM and some of his players...anybody here recall that?
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And the Score is reporting Harbaugh has a 6yr/49 mill offer from UMich. Run Jimmy run!
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Ann Arbor is simply to die for. That would be going home. He should go. His schtick would never wear out, the kids leave after 4-5 years.
Great place to raise kids. Remember, Dungy and Ried lost kids, in the big cities, the wrong crowd. As parents, we know that loss will never go away. It will still gall, long after the career is over.
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I wouldn't blame him for going back to the college ranks. Come to Chicago and win? You're a wealthy man for a long time, just ask Ditka..
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Why would you go to Chicago for 4 per when you can get 8 per or double in Ann Arbor. Even a fool wouldn't.
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The Michigan gig would be open to him whenever he wants it. Today, 4 years from today, 8 years, etc. There is so much turnover in the college ranks and Michigan has just churned coaches the last several years...
If Harbaugh wants to accomplish what his brother did at this level, he can do it in Chicago and have as great a legacy as Ditka. How a coach goes to 3 straight NFC Championships and one Superbowl over 3 years, is on the verge of walking after the first poor season is beyond me
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How a coach goes to 3 straight NFC Championships and one Superbowl over 3 years, is on the verge of walking after the first poor season is beyond me
Same here, I don't get it..
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They're going to find it ain't that easy to find a coach in this league that can do what Harbaugh did.
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Man all 2 hours of commute home and errands ESPN reporting strong rumors about the Bears cleaning house after the season.
It was most all they talked about, well that and Conte saying he would rather play NFL and have a shorter life than not play at all.
Apparently that Monday ownership meeting resulted in some changes planned.
As for Harbaugh, the talking heads are saying his intense style has about a 4 years effective span, similar to Jimmy Johnson where players respond then get tired of it after a few years. Remember we had the same in Chicago where Ditka lost the team after the Super bowl.
Harbaugh's wife wants to stay in the bay area so he will consider Oakland's job.
Michigan just isn't all that attractve anymore. Their powerhouse reputation is a thing of the past. 18 year old kids don't know about Michigan football of 20 years ago or care. The elite athletes want the elite programs, the nice weather and a winner. The big 10 will get the second rate prospects.
That said have to ask if an NFL team can beat 8 mil$
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How a coach goes to 3 straight NFC Championships and one Superbowl over 3 years, is on the verge of walking after the first poor season is beyond me
Same here, I don't get it..
He sees the writing on the wall.. 49ers are about to enter salary cap hell... and a lot of their roster is getting a lot of miles.
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It was most all they talked about, well that and Conte saying he would rather play NFL and have a shorter life than not play at all.
Conte's a FA...he's going to have enough troubles getting offers from teams with his injury prone body.
As for Harbaugh, the talking heads are saying his intense style has about a 4 years effective span, similar to Jimmy Johnson where players respond then get tired of it after a few years. Remember we had the same in Chicago where Ditka lost the team after the Super bowl.
Not sure I totally agree. Johnson left because of a feud with Jerry. Ditka had quite a playoff run then had a 5-11 season and was canned. He still had some guys from the 85 championship team but they were near or at the end of their careers. I was at Ditka's last NFL game with the Bears at Texas Stadium. I think by that time PT Willis or Will Furer was playing QB and the Cowboys were Super Bowl bound....not a fun day.
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Ditka was bigger than the organization, McCaskey didn't like that.
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I don't think I'd be much different with either Cower or Harbaugh. We need a Ron Wolfe type to run the organization. We need a football guy in charge and not a finance guy/bean counter type
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Polian. If we have to be stuck with Cutler for another season, which I'm not sure we are, he'd be the best option. He can build a solid team. But the coaching situation needs to work with him, whoever it is.
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Polian has said publicly that he is not interested in any new job with any team
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I'm not up on GM candidates but sure would be nice to see a list of possible hires if they were to go that route. Someone who has built the better quality teams, i.e. Ravens, Steelers, Colts, etc. I guess I'd be happy with someone that knows the top needs and addresses them, like Safety. Emery is not getting the job done. I read something somewhere that the Bears picks from the Angelo era are mostly out of the NFL. Something like less than 10% remain. We're where we are right now because of him....
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Assuming Phillips isn't going anywhere, the closest thing you can do with a Wolf/Polian/Parcells type is to hire them as a consultant rather than hiring another search firm to find the next GM (hopefully). They are in their mid 70s but could be enticed with some nice sunset cash for 6 months to a years worth of work.
Phillips was really dragging his feet last time before conducting his first GM interview. DeCosta reportedly was interested and but was concerned about the "structure of the organization." By the time it was revealed that the Bears were interested in Grigson, he was swept up by the Colts a day later. If George wants to make the proper moves, he needs to step on the gas pedal but also do it right.
If the Bears hired Harbaugh, my guess would be there would be a personnel guy who Harbaugh trusts who would work side by side with him.
I know...don't count chickens before blah blah...
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I keep hearing Harbuagh from all the fans I talk to . Don't get your hopes up.
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I read somewhere the Mrs. doesn't want to leave the bay area. That's pretty much a deal breaker. Raiders it is.
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Could the Raider's even come close to $8 mil? That team is always strapped for cash
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I have found in the arena of marriage, money simply doesn't matter when the spouse get a head of steam up. You don't go to sleep every night with money.
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Harbaugh doesn't need the big payday at Michigan. Between what he made as a player, coach at Stanford and the 49ers he is a multi-millionaire. If staying in the Bay Area keeps his family happy whatever the raiders pay will be plenty
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$126.7 million contract = benching in Chicago...
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I keep hearing Harbuagh from all the fans I talk to . Don't get your hopes up.
I know I'm not. Deep down I know we'll end up with another scrub, and that's if we do get rid of the scrub we have..
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I know the Bears are dysfunctional, but the Raiders? Wow!!
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I'm not sure I want harbaugh. Remember we actually beat them earlier this year and the reason they want him gone is because of a divided locker room.
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Coaches that intense typically have short shelf lives...would love to get a long-term solution like the Pats or Steelers have had.
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Belichick is a Parcels disciple. He coached the Browns for a few years and they weren't worth a ****. It's a crap shoot... I'll say it again, I'd take Harbaugh, it's not going to happen so it doesn't matter..
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If Harbaugh has an offer from Michigan worth 8M per, he's certainly not coming to Chicago...Bears won't go anywhere near that number...
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As well they shouldn't.
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Has anyone noticed that when Cutler comes back to the bench, especially after a bad series, he simply sits down and really does nothing?? If you notice Manning, he'll come back sit down grab a iPad or whatever and start going through the play(s) with the coach. Not Cutler and I'm not sure why that is. Is it the coach not being proactive or RETROactive breaking down coverages, plays, etc??? I've seen several shots of him simply sitting there with his head down. Do they go over plays? I've not seen it and that doesn't seem good to me...
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I have seen that as well. However is it just because the cameras only show us what they want to show us? Or is it reality.
At this point it really does not matter. Makes no difference he has been nominated as the Walter Payton man of the year for his off field charity work. None of that matters.
It is not getting done on the field and he and everyone else on the Bears team and management need to be held accountable. Let's hope they all make the correct decisions and the ship gets righted. This was one of if not the most pathetic season I have ever witnessed.
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I figure when Cutler makes a bad play and comes back to the bench, he knows exactly what happened already, either he made a bad pass or the he and WR the WR weren't on the same read. Sometimes you see him talking with the WR.
We'ver got to fix the OL, give Cutler some time, actually be able to run the ball more. If we could effectively run the ball 25 times per game, that makes us a lot harder to defend. Right now all you have to do to defend Cutler is put a guy on the receivers and blitz the heck out of him. Sure he will burn you occasionally but chances are he throws it over someone's head or throws a pick.
We've also got to cut down on stupid penalties. It makes a huge difference in play calling if you are at 3rd and 3 vs 3rd and 10.
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The more I think about it...sitting Cutler today may help his trade value a lot more than hurt it.
Other teams are going to see that it's not Jay as much as it's the Oline and the inability to a) protect the QB, and b) run block.
I'll be curious to see how many run plays are called with a shitty backup QB under center.
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I see this as a desperate move by Trestman to show just how much Cutler has digressed. The problem he has, Clausen isn't worth a ****..
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Kyle Long is not playing today. Clausen might be killed today. Perhaps that is why they sat Jay.
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Say what? WTF not???
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Kyle Long inactive for Sunday’s game vs. Detroit
Posted by Mike Wilkening on December 21, 2014, 11:50 AM EST
Kyle Long
AP
The Bears will be without one of their standout offensive linemen against Detroit’s stout defense on Sunday.
Right guard Kyle Long (hip) is among the inactives announced by the club this morning. Long was added to the injury report Friday and was questionable to face the Lions.
With Long out, backup Ryan Groy will get the start, according to Michael C. Wright of ESPNChicago.com.
The Bears are already without starting left guard Matt Slauson, who suffered a season-ending pectoral injury in October. Michael Ola has filled in for Slauson.
The 26-year-old Long had played and started 30 straight games since joining Chicago. The Bears’ first-round pick in 2013, Long made the Pro Bowl as a rookie.
The Lions have one of the NFL’s top defenses, with defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh an elite disruptive threat along the interior.
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Can you say slaughter?
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They better roll Clausen out or he is going to be getting hit before he even completes his three step drop.
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Don't be silly. Offensive line play has no bearing on the success of a QB. Clausen just needs to get it done.
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Just when you think it's not possible....another wheel comes off.
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same shitty play calling
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same shitty defense
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4th and 5. Give up 21 then a TD on the next play. That's the Bears we all know and love.
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Clausen actually showing signs of life..
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Clausen is actually looking pretty good right now all of a sudden.
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How do they call that on Bennet? Not that it matters but seriously?
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One it was inside 5 yards so legal, two if you are going to call it shouldn't it have been on the defense?
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Need the Lions to win. Keep the Packers in 2nd place.
5-11 will get a better draft pick that they'll screw up and get rid of this garbage coaching staff for sure.
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Let's single cover Johnson all day....good plan
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D finally makes a stand. They are beating the **** out of Stafford he might not make it through the game at this rate.
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They are playing like they give a **** for the first time in weeks....
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The WR's keep dropping passes though.
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At least there is life (little). I wondered after last week..
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Another pick..
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They are playing like they give a **** for the first time in weeks....
They are making sure they look good on tape for this regime or the next one. Too bad we didn't see more of that earlier.
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How is there no flag
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Horrible no call
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LOL! How do the Lions **** that up?
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Another penalty to **** us
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Wow, we get the ball back
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Wow, that makes up for the no call!
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TD BEARS!
Nice touch on that pass to Forte.
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Damn, the offense is actually resembling something
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Just a teriffic throw
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Wow. Clausen has played better than I thought possible. If he does this for 7 more quarters, does that change the calculus at Halas Hall?
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Nice touch on that pass to Forte! Clausen looks a lot better than he did in Carolina. Nice to finally get some turnovers. The young guys seem to be showing something on d finally. Maybe they will start to turn the corner
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It would have to give them pause.
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That Forte TD pass was sweet. That no call on the Jeffery PI was bullshit. And what is with Jeffery and 3 drops???
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I see Detroit is still up to their sleazy ways, stepping on Ferguson's leg. Sure looked like he jumped on and cleated that leg purpose...
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He should be thrown from the game!
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That was on purpose!
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How does he drop that?
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WOW!
14-10 Bears.
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Riola should be ejected and suspended. He stomped on his leg on purpose. Piece of ****.
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I realize the Lyedowns had no recent film on Clausen. I realize our scores have come off turnovers. But this offense is playing much better than in recent weeks. And they are playing against the #2 defense.
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Hold on, don't blame Cutler. LOL
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I'm tempering my enthusiasm for sure.
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Blocked FG. Where has this team been all year?
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Who is this team and what have they done with the regular Chicago Bears?
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Fuckin Lions and their cheap shots...
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Wow. How is that "nfl point of emphasis" not called??? Oh right, you can do anything you want to the Bears. How could I have forgotten?
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Jennings sure has digressed
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There's the keystone cops..
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Of course they call PI on the Bears. We are getting jobbed ... I mean, Bears suck a$$, but c'mon man! >:( :-[ :-\
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That was pretty blatant PI. all Jennings had to do was turn around and he would have had the INT.
Although so was the one on Jeffries earlier.
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Now it all goes to ****. This is the Bears we have seen all year.
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That looked like Cutler got back in the game
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That was pretty blatant PI. all Jennings had to do was turn around and he would have had the INT.
Although so was the one on Jeffries earlier.
That's what I meant. We've had 2 blatant no-calls on Jeffrey, one PI and one Illegal Contact. And the other one on Raiola. Total crap. I get it, Bears suck, but come on let's keep it somewhat even on the calls.
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That was **** ridiculous!!! How was he not ejected for that?
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Talk about dirty!!!!
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Jeffrey can you CATCH THE FUCKINGBALL!!!!
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Better make certain Jeffrey doesn't have some money on the game..
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Lions win!
Hopefully they use these cheap shots as well next week in the dump up North.
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****. The. Lions. I hope Green Bay wipes the field with their sleazy asses. And I hate the Packers. This team just jumped into a tie with them. Classless jackasses!!!
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I will root for the Lions against the Packers. As big of scum bags as they have been this game I still hate the Packers more.
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I hate them both, but the lions are scumbags!!
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I'm not going to get excited about scoring 14 points. I was rooting for them to win, but if this loss helps to bring about a total housecleaning, then so be it
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That head first shot on Clausen was disgusting. And this loss can be pinned on Alshon Jeffery. 6 drops, that last one would have been a first down on 3rd. Makes me sick. I agree he had money on DET. The D as much as they suck wasn't as sucky as usual. I like what Clausen did with 2 undrafted rookies playing OG. And no Marshall, and Jeffery in some mind **** funk. As much as I like the loss, I am glad they kept it close. Would love to see the Lions murder the Pack next week, but that wont happen.
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I will root for the Lions against the Packers. As big of scum bags as they have been this game I still hate the Packers more.
You're right of course. But I'll root against them If they move on!!! Bear Down!!!
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The Vikings will be tough to beat. 5-11....never thought for a second before the season it could get that bad
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What made you think it would be great?
Crappy defense, crappy QB, crappy coaches, crappy GM, crappy special teams.
This was seen in Preseason.
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I wont be sad if we loose to the Vikes next week, as long as it is close and we are competitive. Why? Draft pick only. Although with more than TWO freakin days of practice as starting QB, Clausen may do better. If his brains are not scrambled from that helmet hit.
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I hate to say it but I saw more leadership on that field today from Clausen then I think I have seen from Cutler all season. Then again the cameras made a point of showing it.
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Very impressed with Clausen. How many key drops did Alshon have? That last one for a first down was a perfect pass in his hands and he drops it. And I agree, Peke, about the leadership. Once this offense finally got going, it affected the entire team raising the play...except for Alshon, evidently. I think this definately puts pressure on Cutler. I mean here we have a guy that hasn't started a game in three years, didn't even practice much this week, against the 2nd Defense in the league, and he keeps them in the game. Who knows they could have driven for a win had Alshon caught that first down pass at the end. Very impressed and it just felt totally different today.....they actually had a chance to win this game...think it definately gives Halas something to think about....
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I'm just as divided as you guys. Hate the Pakers but man, what the Loins did today was total BS. Raiola's a prick and that helmet shot the guy should have been kicked out of the game, hell for both hits!! That was about as blatant a helmet to helmet as you'll find and how Raiola was able to stay in the game after that bs stomp nonsense, the league should make both sit for a game, Raiola for two. It's bs. I was rooting for the Loins to do well, now I want the Pakers to stomp em.....
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I hate the **** Lions!! I hate the Pack, but I'll pull for 'em this next weekend..
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When I see this on Yahoo I expect to see something coming out of the league office soon.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/lions--raiola-stomps-on-bear-s-ankle-205337001.html
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I won't toss Ansuh for that hit on Clausen as it happened during the play. He clearly targeted the head, but I think that is difficult to toss him for that hit. He should see a sizeable fine.
Raiola should have been ejected. They should be able to use a replay camera for that type of blatant play and get it right. Everyone saw it and you cant say oh, I tripped. It was evident that he did it on purpose. Suh got two games for stomping on the Packer, this should be two games.
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It should be a two game suspension. The Green Bay game and then the first playoff game. All the bullshit about protecting players, it will be interesting to see what the league does..
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Pretty damning evidence for both and both should not play a game or two for it....
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Very impressed with Clausen.
I see you are easily impressed when the name is not Cutler. Considering they both had similar lines against the same team.
Comp/Att Comp% YDS AVG TD INT SK SKYD QB RAte
23/39 59.0 181 4.6 2 1 2 11 77.0
31/48 64.6 280 5.8 2 2 3 24 76.7
Or was it his ability to complete drives? Oh wait... He didn't complete one scoring drive the whole game. Unless of course you count both scoring drives that they were stopped on but Detroit gave the ball back on 4th down.
Or was it the INT he threw in the 2 minute drill when there was still a chance to win the game?
Lets be honest. If it were Cutler in that game yesterday with the same results you would be blasting him for the loss. Especially with throwing that pick at the end of the game.
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Here is one other stat that may impress you with Clausen.
This is the 6th game this year that the Defense decided to show up and play giving up 20 or less... (Lets ignore the fact that the Lions tried everything they could to lose the game with 2 redzone picks and a botched FG)
It is the first time their efforts have gone for not. They are now 5-1 in those games.
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It's truly unbelievable the level you'll go to to protect your Cutler.....amazing..... you are so obsessed with defending him you'd think he was a cousin or something!
God forbid if they decide to go another route and trade Cutler! You'd be jumping off the nearest bridge!
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Are you forgetting the damn fact that Clausen isn't even the damn starting QB or the fact that he had very little practice this week OR the friggin fact he hasn't started a game in like three or four years?!? I and most Bears fans think it pretty amazing the guy played as well as he did with so little practice or playing time and against a 2nd ranked defense. Your stats show he did better than Cutler in his first start in ages. Plus his drives were killed by dropped passes, a key one that would have been a first down placed perfectly in Jeffreys hands. Cutler would have put that ball at his ankles. He's been doing that for games now. But yea, Cutty is so friggin fantastic, huh...
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It's truly unbelievable the level you'll go to to protect your Cutler.....amazing..... you are so obsessed with defending him you'd think he was a cousin or something!
God forbid if they decide to go another route and trade Cutler! You'd be jumping off the nearest bridge!
I didn't see the game so I'm not going to comment on Clausen's performance and certainly don't want o open a can of worms but if you are honest with yourself you will recognize that the "level" Bill goes to to defend Cutler is no different than the level you will go to to trash him. That's a two way street.
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I'm done talking about it. Everyone knows where I stand and it's pretty obvious with you guys where you stand. We'll see where the chips land in the offseason....
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I didn't defend Cutler. Just pointed out your hypocricy.
That's what infuriates you the most.
Facts are facts. You hold a team to less then 20 when Cutler is starting this year and you get the win.
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The sad thing is that most if not all of the dropped passes were perfectly thrown, hitting WRs in the hands. Not at the knees, not down in the dirt, not over the head, but very nicely placed balls. Kind of made the loss hurt.
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Any criticism is hypocrisy to you. The 'facts' are he has been terrible lately. Boogie pointed it out, others have as well. Gruden was all over his azz, rightfully so. He sat for a reason, a deserved one. Clausen showed more heart in that one start than Cutler has all season, and that is another fact. He also showed more leadership. He did well for the situation he was in. He isn't a incredibly high priced day one starter franchise QB and he played better than one that supposedly is.....I'd say that's impressive....
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Dear God I'm going to sound like Jes but "being terrible" is not a fact, it is an opinion with no way to measure or prove. "Heart" is not a fact...again an immeasurable opinion. "Leadership" is also not measurable. FACTS are measurable and provable such as completion %, QB rating, yardage , points etc. You are trying to pass off emotional opinions as facts. Doesn't work that way if you are trying to claim something is factual.
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Wow...just, smh....I'll leave that comment stand as is. I don't need to respond, lol.....
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You shouldn't.
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LOL
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FWIW This game only confirmed what has been obvious for quite a while...
A housecleaning of epic proportions is in order. No excuses to keep ANYONE on the coaching staff (or Emery for that matter). Let the new staff determine players who they want to keep.
But until the Bears get a football guy (e.g. someone who actually is in "the loop" in today's NFL) in charge of this ship, and that includes firing Ted Phillips (or laterally promoting him to a position of non-importance), this ship will continue sink.
What I fear (and I'm sure others do as well) is that the Bears haven't even bottomed out yet.
Until they bring in a guy that KNOWS what he's doing and will take ALL the blame if he fails, they will continue to sink.
Half measures won't do (but will probably be done). C'mon George- grow some balls. FIRE THEM ALL !
Merry Christmas all. Have a fun and safe one......
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You shouldn't.
BTW, ints are quantifiable as are passes into double coverage, below, over, behind receivers. This is what makes a QB 'terrible'. A good reason to bench a ineffective QB, btw. But hey, you have fun with your little party. Don't wanna interrupt your 'Cutler Koolaide Klutch'....
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Fine...show me the comparable stats in those areas. Other than INT's I don't know where to find them . Can you tell me where?
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Heh...someone doesn't know what 'quantifiable' means...
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it is an opinion with no way to measure or prove.
quantify
/ˈkwɒntɪˌfaɪ/
verb (transitive) -fies, -fying, -fied
1. to discover or express the quantity of
2. (logic) to specify the quantity of (a term) by using a quantifier, such as all, some, or no
Examples from the web for quan-ti-fy Expand
Agricultural scientists, followed by farmers, began to conceptualize farming as a strictly quantifiable venture.
Why bicycle messengers gather with such pride has little to do with the quantifiable rewards of their job.
No, there's something else here, something less quantifiable and more difficult to illuminate.
Sorry, Dave1-22, I'll keep the conversation simpler for ya.
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Keys....are you really going to play this game? Your eyes can tell you all you need to know. Go review some tape, see Cutler throwing above. See Cutler throwing behind. See him throwing at recievers feet. See him do any number of things that make for a benching. Some things are not put in data. I've not seen a stat that shows lack of desire, or heart, or leadership. Those things are not put on a data chart. 'Cutler showed lack of leadership two times against X Y opponent.' Some things you need to use your eyes and mind for, not rely on someones data chart. Irregardless, I know I'm wasting my time here. Remember, I didn't start this nonsense, wml brought it up. I know, it's evident that nothing Cutler does will change your mind. Your set with him, regardless of what happens on the field. Thankfully there are those who see and have made much needed changes. The fans were going to hold a major revolt if changes weren't made.
Hey, the holidays are here. Merry Christmas! Even to you, Dave.....let's hope we see some positive changes next year and in the offseason so we don't have to have arguments, but rather can enjoy some wins instead.
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I just think if your are going to make the argument that someone has more "heart", "leadership" etc it should be something that you can measure. Bill did make a good point that you completely ignored. What would the record be if the defense had held opponents to 20 points for Cutler as they did for Clausen. As I have said I didn't see the game but putting up only 14 points is not going to get you many wins.
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No it's not and I'm not saying Clausen is the second coming of Steve Young, either. We need much better production out of WHOMEVER is at QB. That IS a fact. And yea the D is bad, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc beat the dead horse over and over and over ad nauseum
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My worry is that we have nobody to replace Cutler with. You fell in love with McCown after only 5 games and now you seem to be doing the same with Clausen after only 1. The small sample size scares me.
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That is very true. But he did look serviceable against the number 1 defense, AND with only 2 days of practice. Ideally you would like to see him play against some more teams, but I liked the moxie and poise I saw. When he jumped up on Garza after that first TD, and when he went over to console Ola after his penalty, that was some good stuff.
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I thought you wanted a Brady or Manning type of demeanor. Do you think either one would be consoling a lineman after a penalty? Hell no....they would be giving him an ass chewing.
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Maybe you should actually watch the game and see what I am talking about before you start making remarks???
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Maybe. But Nobody is forcing you to read my comments
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You misunderstood my saying Clausen did pretty good given the situation into thinking I love the guy. No, I don't. I said I think he did well given the situation. He may be a ok backup. I don't know. Haven't seen enough of him to judge really. Was saying he wasn't but then re-thought. Not a big enough sample size to say he can't be a good backup. One game after not having practice much or played in a long while makes it hard to judge...
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I don't understand why they are not looking at Fales in this last game if they have decided to move on from Cutler
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And if they were concerned about protecting Cutler. None of this makes any sense....if they were smart (they're not...) they'd want to see what Fales brings to the table in a game situation and when else is a better time than the end of a miserable season where they 'might' want to keep their high draft status. Again.....wth are they thinking....
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Clausen looked better than Cutler has for at least the last few games. After the New Orleans game I thought it was pretty obvious. The whole offense isn't clicking, more so than just the D playing like worthless scrubs. I don't buy into the Cutler trade **** for one second, nor should I. I'll just be happy to get a new **** coach.. I'll admit, I'd be happy to just to get Rex Ryan in hopes of getting a respectable D back..
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Talking about the offense.. How about the play calling.. This whole team is inept..
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24906647/jay-cutler-expected-back-with-bears-in-2015-with-new-coaching-staff
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I'm good with that. One more shot for Cutler with a new coach. Hell, just get a decent **** D and I'll be happy!!
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It's really completely insane to ensure ANY player that you'll be stuck with them for the foreseeable future. A smart GM would want to structure a out in any contract they sign. If a player goes south, i.e. Cutler, you've got to have a way to protect the integrity of the team!
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I figured this would be the outcome. It's not good, but it is what it is. The D isn't anywhere near ready anyway, so if Cutler finds a way to mess up next season, it probably won't matter because the team isn't ready to be truly competitive anyway. And if they tank again next season, maybe they'll be in a good position to draft a good QB.
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The only coach I think Cutler would be willing to work with is Shanahan. I don't know how he would feel about Harbaugh, although that is my pipe dream. The coach killer is going to notch another notch. ;)
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The only problem is WE have to watch another losing **** season just like this one. Sigh.
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The only coach I think Cutler would be willing to work with is Shanahan. I don't know how he would feel about Harbaugh, although that is my pipe dream. The coach killer is going to notch another notch. ;)
I think Trestman is responsible for his own notch by refusing to run the ball.
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Lions' Raiola Suspended for Week 17 Game against Packers
posted by Evan "Tex" Western on Dec 22, 2014
Thanks, Ferguson & Bears.
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I think Trestman is responsible for his own notch by refusing to run the ball.
I think it goes beyond that. I think everyone gave him entirely too much credit for being an offensive guru. I'd say he's anything but...
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Its like a racer. Last year we sped ahead of the pack with Trestman which was nice. This year the rest of the league has cought up to what Trestman was doing and he didn't have another gear to ratchet up the offense. Another thing of notice was the Oline hasn't been healthy whereas it was the entire year last year. Last year we were able to both run AND pass well. This year due to injuries we haven't. We haven't been able to run the ball whatsoever. Its made us very one-dimentional. Bushrod has been injured, Slaussen is now out for the season, Garza was out for awhile, and Miles has been gimpy and ineffective all season. I think the problem is more a depth problem. I think all our offensive problems began with that Oline. I think we replace Mills while getting everybody else healthy we could be right back where we were last year. Plus we need depth in case of more injuries. So I don't believe all the blame falls on Trestman's shoulders. The defense deserves a whole lot of credit for this season. Emery has a lot to do with it. He gambled on some FA patching which hasn't been the quality we hoped for and Tucker cant coach or adapt. Another good defensive draft and a better DC and we should claw our way back to respectability.
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Last year the Bears ran the ball more but had problems on short yardage. And folks were screaming why we seemed to pass a lot on 3rd and short. Come to think of it... some things never change :D
I think the warning signs for this shitstorm of dumpster fire coach were:
1. Long-ish FG on 2nd down in OT.
2. Inability to pick up short yardage by running the ball.
3. (and this year) The overall "lassez-fair" feel where it seemed the innmates were running the prison. Examples:s BMarsh doing his showtime thing (although I did/do enjoy him on that show) and Lance Briggs "I'm outta here" and his Double Nickel debuts.....
(BTW best line I heard this year on Lance was "I always knew ribs would be his downfall" after he was out earlier in the season with a rib injury then came back seemingly overweight :D)
The perfect shitstorm. Now its time to see if George has the balls to FIRE THEM ALL. Should make an interesting off-season at least.....
As an aside, Cutler starting has the sounds of a good riff on the Simon and Garfunkel "Sounds of silence" song:
Hello darkness, my old friend,
Cutler's come to play for you again,
Because a coaches lack of vision softly creeping,
Left its seeds while he were sleeping,
And the vision of saving his job
Still remains
Within the sound of fans silence.
etc etc....
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Sports radio down here has some, I say some, insite on what the Titans are doing, haven't heard boo about Cutler coming, believe it was started by the Bears to generate interest.
Also feel because of the massive contract he's not going anywhere, and would be better to get Shanny as coach/Cutler towel holder. I mean, come on, I thought it was fantastic
when I heard he was a bear, but my God, He's meat grindered his way through God alone knows how many coaches, and now bring in another one? Cut bait.
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Sports radio down here has some, I say some, insite on what the Titans are doing, haven't heard boo about Cutler coming, believe it was started by the Bears to generate interest.
Also feel because of the massive contract he's not going anywhere, and would be better to get Shanny as coach/Cutler towel holder. I mean, come on, I thought it was fantastic
when I heard he was a bear, but my God, He's meat grindered his way through God alone knows how many coaches, and now bring in another one? Cut bait.
Trestman and Martz fed themselves into the meat grinder by insisting on throwing 40-50 times a a game.
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I suppose I'm really not in any position to make judgements, your right. I have said in the past he got pounded to bits, no mistake. I watched most of the times he took shots. I just don't
feel like it'll work in Chicago anymore. Jay's not stupid, I doubt that he listens to anybody anymore, looking at what it got him.
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Even with Clausen making his first start in 3 years they throw the ball 39 times? That's lunacy. Even Peyton Manning is throwing less now that he has a running game.
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I'm sure part of the problem is we have no run game...
Just checked, Forte's avg. is 4 ypc, agree, need to balance attack...
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Here's how Forte averages 4 yards a carry:
zero yards, 3 yards, 1 yard, 12 yard run...no consistency
Problem is most of the time when Forte runs on 1st or 2nd down the Bears end up in 3rd and long. The O-line always leaves at least one defender unblocked.
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Which goes back to the first part of my post, we have no run game. Who gets the blame? Cutler, since he doesn't check out of run plays? The coaches, for not calling a balanced attack (even though we all know our run game is anemic at best)? Forte, for not bouncing it outside when the middle is clogged, or finding a hole? The o-line for missed assignments? If it is the o-line, doesn't that fall back on the coaches? Or should we just keep pounding it (even though we're not getting first downs) in hopes that eventually we control the line of scrimmage?..
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If it is the o-line, doesn't that fall back on the coaches?
Probably the head coach and Emery, IMHO. Trestman wants to pass the ball. So Emery defers to him and doesn't get the quality Olinemen who can pass and run block. Injuries to Miles, Slausson, Bushrod, and Garza created the need for a cohesive group of backups which weren't as effective as the starters were last year when we ran the ball better. So the finger has to point to everybody from Emery on down to Kromer.
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When I think of the o-line, I think of coaching, scheme, blocking assignments. To me, I see a team that week in and week out are not prepared. There is a difference between talent and simply not knowing what you're supposed to be doing on specific plays..
Some coaches can teach and some can't.. We have the latter..
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Kromer had a history of teaching and developing Olines in NOLA. I doubt the problem is as much teaching as it is in talent
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When players are out of position, has nothing to do with ability. There were plays on the o-line where defenders came free, totally blown by the o-line position. When a RDE keeps blowing up your LT, that's ability (and technique) issues. When you have two positions on the o-line that pull one way when they shouldn't have, that is coaching..
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Lance Briggs “happy” with Robbie Gould’s comments
Posted by Josh Alper on December 25, 2014, 12:15 PM EST
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Earlier this week, Bears kicker Robbie Gould took issue with coach Marc Trestman’s decision to bench quarterback Jay Cutler in Week 16 and said it was a sign that “this whole season’s not the Bear way” in terms of dealing with the issues facing the team.
One of Gould’s longtime teammates agrees with him. Linebacker Lance Briggs said on his weekly CSN Chicago show this week that he was “happy with what Robbie had to say” about the way the Bears have conducted their business this season.
“I certainly know what the ‘Bear way’ is, I lived it for many years. We always did a really good job of protecting what’s in our house, that locker room. If we had any issues, we handled it within that locker room and we protected ourselves from the outside,” Briggs said, via the Chicago Tribune. “There were a number of things that ended up slipping out that shouldn’t have. There was a lot of drama and there was more of a focus on what was happening off the field than what there was on the field and everything just kind of mounted and mounted on top of each other.”
Briggs closed the show by saying farewell to Bears fans and it continues to look like he’ll be learning the way of another team if he continues his career in 2015. With cornerback Charles Tillman also possibly leaving, the Bears will move further away from the players most associated with the Lovie Smith era, leaving responsibility for shaping “the Bear way” to a new group. We’ll know whether Trestman will continue to lead that group soon, but plenty of other questions remain about the Bears’ ability to get back on track next season.
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I will be glad to see Briggs off this team. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Briggs was obviously part of the problem.
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I agree. There is more to being a team player than making tackles.. And what, we might be worse without him?
Bring in Rex Ryan to run the D and I bet you see an immediate difference..
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I guess I'm the Lone Ranger on Briggs - run defense was better with him than without. If you get caught up in the media crap you'd have a different opinion of him than if you just watched the games.
Doesn't matter anymore.
Bears need a MLB and let Bostic play WLB and you have 2 starters at SLB with McClellan and Jones.
As for the O-line, Bushrod and Long are studs. Slauson was a solid pass protector. And Garza is OK as a pass blocker but not very good run blocker. Mills is wildly inconsistent - against Detroit he played pretty good for most the game but at one point two different players beat him on spin moves on 2 plays right after another. Maybe he's not fully recovered from his foot injury. But I just don't know if we have enough bullets to address O-line next draft. Ola is not a starter but a capable and flexible backup. He struggled against Suh last week but most guards (except Long) do.
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Agree Ryan would do a lot for our defense.
But only as a DC. He is n not HC material.
With his big personality he needs to work under the right head coach.
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Which goes back to the first part of my post, we have no run game. Who gets the blame? Cutler, since he doesn't check out of run plays? The coaches, for not calling a balanced attack (even though we all know our run game is anemic at best)? Forte, for not bouncing it outside when the middle is clogged, or finding a hole? The o-line for missed assignments? If it is the o-line, doesn't that fall back on the coaches? Or should we just keep pounding it (even though we're not getting first downs) in hopes that eventually we control the line of scrimmage?..
That is what I was saying also and agree with. Our offense completely went south this year. We couldn't run the ball and extend drives with the run. We have had games without any run/pass balance and I believe we have the highest percent of pass versus run. While Cutler was getting his head bashed in again, Forte got a pass. I love Forte, I am not bashing him. I think our problem is with the coaching and the oline, our stupid drive killing penalties on offense every game, and then to a much smaller extent Cutler, and a miniscule amount to Forte.
This whole team needs a culture of accountability and I want to see our players focused on playing, not opening restaurants, not going on open locker room rants with the media present, and not going to New York on an off day to promote your next career. Oh, and coaches keeping their mouths shut to the media. The whole thing is too loosey goosey.
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Dallas - A lot of times I find myself agreeing with you, but I am not on your side of the ledger with regard to Briggs. He stayed a year too long, but he deserves every accolade he should receive as one of the best linebackers in Bear's history. Him and DJ Williams were holding up our young backers from getting playing time when it became obvious we would only contend for the top pick of the draft. I am glad they are sitting so we can let these youngsters get the reps.
Against Atlanta and last week against Detroit, I thought our defense was respectable. I am not going to say that in both games it was because Briggs and Williams were sitting, but you could see a bump in energy when the young guys were in there.
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Wasted time out, two pre-snap penalties to kill the drive and now time to punt...
Same **** all year!
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Wow, guess we will really see who cares enough to give an effort today. Clearly the offense is performing at the same stellar level...
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Same Cutty hijinx, throwing high and what should have been a pick. Oh yea, we got a bright bright future if we're stuck with him alright.....
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In all three phases, when the plays are there to be made, the Bears just don't make them....
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The whole offensive line and Cutler false starts as our just re-signed center Garza is still holding the ball on the ground. You can't make this stuff up!
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Can't even get close enough for a FG...against the lowly Vikes, yet! Yea, Bears are a mess.....
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The Bears with a GRITTY drive for a FG.
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I've seen Mundy making play after play in that secondary. Do we have any other players back there??
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Can't see the game. Relying on red zone coverage. Last I saw was cutler 10-12 for 47 yards no int no picks. Sporty calls it the same old " hi jinx". So what is the real story? Is he forcing throws deep which is sportys usual complaint or is he dinking and dunking?
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He is dinking but a little too timid for dunking....
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He is dinking and dunking. But he has missed a few throws high. He hasn't had a lot of time. Made a few nice escapes to get the ball out. Other times took the sack or made a bad throw.
3-3 at the half. These are two bad teams.
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Sounds like continued OL problems.
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OL problems, QB problems...same crap.....
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Mel Tucker is a good defensive coordinator.
Brady Quinn said that.
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Yes Cutler is on a super short leash. They must have told him no passes over 5 yards. Only 1 attempt to Jeffery? WTF. Thank goodness he caught it, although he wasn't open. I just have the feeling dunderhead Jay is going to show up with a couple of INTs. I wont be that sad with a loss, if we win our draft pick could be up to 5 spots lower. Just saying, lets look on the bright side. And did Forte get his 8 catches yet?
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I don't know who Brady Quinn blows to get a tv gig. Maybe it was everyone. ;)
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Yea, Brady ain't quite with it today....
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If the Bears lose they pick 7th. If they win it could drop to 11th or so.
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The O-line is the biggest problem. They have two or three false starts. One of which Garza forgot the snap count.
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Looks to me like neither team wants to win this.....
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I would say Forte, M Bennet and Mundy are playing the hardest right now.
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Fuller with the pick 6. Bears leading now.
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INT will stand but looks like he was down.
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Nice play by Fuller, one of our only bright spots. Problem is he didn't score, they'll bring it back so Jay has a chance to give the ball back, lol.....
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RedZone just updated the stats. 14-19 85 yards. So he's a problem if he forces throws and also a problem when he protects the ball by throwing short and efficient. Sounds morelike a play calling issue rather than an execution issue.
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They are absolutely calling very conservatively on offense
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Cutler has only had one bad mistake and it was an overthrown ball that was almost picked.
Other than that he's looked decent.
That TD won't stand. His knee hit the ground. Bears will have the ball deep in Minnesota territory.
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No TD. Throw was way too high.
Settle for 3. Yawn.
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Boy they got the rook Refs here today, huh. That wasn't even close to being a TD, lol....and they conferred and decided it was. Wow. That will definately be overturned. Pass was way too high for even Jeffrey to get it down for a TD....
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Isn't that the whole point of the fade? Either your guy gets or nobody does. It's supposed to be high.
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Have heard 'the call on the field was overturned' three times this game so far. Refs are asleep. That one wasn't even close!! The refs were right there, too.....wow
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Yea, Keys, riiiight.....watch the game before deciding that was a good fade pass, k? It wasn't....
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I saw the replay on RedZone. He made the catch. It wasn't a terrible throw
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A good throw results in a TD. That was not a good throw.....
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The scumbags on defense finally showed up.
Vikings lead 10-7.
Emery has been writing a ton of things down during the game. I hope it's a new resume or a goodbye letter.
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Oh bullshit. Your heros like Brady and Manning make throws like that all the time. You throw it where only you guy can get it. It's not a bad throw just because it didn't result in a Td.
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Hmmm, who blew that coverage? Hurst? Jennings? The whole fricking D? Hey, whatever. We're staying at 7 so far and that's a good thing....
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I thought the throw was high but that's my opinion. Alshon made a nice effort but couldn't get the other foot down.
Cutler has the Bears on the move with two nice throws.
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Cutler is actually looking decent this drive. Don't tell Keyman I said that.....the drive ain't over yet though....
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Forte has the Bears moving backwards.
He's minus 6 yards on the last two plays.
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Ok, well, that drive went nowhere.
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Missed FG.
Trestman has 21 minutes of coaching left.
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Bears will find a way to win this meaningless contest and screw themselves out of a good player in the draft.
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They don't have to win this game to do that.
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Bears slog-footed on offense....a lack of athleticism seems to be a requirement
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Will the 2014 Chicago Bears go down in history as the worst 5-win team of all time?
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Wait....what??.....NO penalty?!?? No....can't be. They always have a stupid penalty on a kickoff like that. The refs had to have missed it....
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Threw it right to the Vikes defender....lucky Cutty.....offsides by Vikes.
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they all just want to go home. period. After monday tuesday wherever that may be.
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Cutty dodged another turnover there. Three dodges so far this game.....luck of the Cutty....
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Well good it's looking good for the loss....now onto the firings!
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How many bad throws can UNINTERESTED Jay make today??? God he is a piece crap.
Talking to a Lions fan today and all the Lions fans love playing agianst Cutler because they feel he really doesn't care. No emotion.
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Well, Keys, I guess Clausen outplayed Cutty. 14pts against a top rated D last week vs 9 points against a bottom feeder this. Spin it, baby, spin! I know ya got it in ya!
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Quinn, you're a idiot....best to keep the trap shut. 'They've actually been effective outside the division, 6-4 this year.' They haven't even won 6 games, Rainman!
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Well, Quinn did say Tucker was a good coach....
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The funny thing is he caught himself saying it, but was dumb enough to repeat it, lol
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'His right foot steps out of bounds' LOL! He's completely out of bounds by a yard or so! Good grief.....Quinn fits this game to a T.....
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How many false starts are they up to now? 6?
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According to Zach Zaidman, Mel Tucker is in tears on the #Bears sideline
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Good riddance Trestman and the rest of the trash. 5-11 season. A whole 9 points.
Bears will be drafting 7th.
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I's be crying as well....what a horrible job by Mel Tucker this season.
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Glad they lost....
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It's official...the last Jay Cutler supporter has left the building.
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So glad this terrible season is over with.
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9 lousy points against the Queens...nicely done.... and they all should be in tears the way they've played this season....just horrible....
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So what time is the press conference tomorrow? Usually around 2ish I believe.
The entire staff, including Emery should gone with most of these players.
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They need to back up the trash truck and dump it all in top to bottom and just reload it all.....
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The problem is Ted Phillips need to be fired first. I do not want Ted - and his "head hunter" - hiring our next GM, Coach, coaches.
Phillips was so confident as a footbal lguy that he had to have a head hunter chose Emery.
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The ironic thing is the D actually held the Vikes O in check. Our high powered O only scored 9 points. Never even broke 30 this whole year. Hey Keys, I know you didn't watch the game, although you commented like you did, but how many games did Brady or Manning score over 30 this year? Yeah thought so. I am so glad this dumpster fire of a season is mercifully over. Cant wait for the house cleaning.
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We've been on these message boards for 15+ years and how many coaches/GM's and rebuilds have we went through?
Nothing will change with this franchise and nothing ever will. Just like the Cubs.
Always a bridesmaid....
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Oh no, this is the year for both. LOL
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Zach Zaidman @ZachZaidman 5m5 minutes ago
Marc Trestman to @WBBMNewsradio on if he expects to remain #Bears coach: "Absolutely, I expect to.
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The ironic thing is the D actually held the Vikes O in check. Our high powered O only scored 9 points. Never even broke 30 this whole year. Hey Keys, I know you didn't watch the game, although you commented like you did, but how many games did Brady or Manning score over 30 this year? Yeah thought so. I am so glad this dumpster fire of a season is mercifully over. Cant wait for the house cleaning.
I only commented on what I saw on RedZone. I asked for clarification on everything else. Now....how many times did Brady or Manning score over 30 points. Never... But the Pats and Broncos did.
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I heard the interview... Trestman fully expects to be back..
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With so many saying that the problem is cutler why would he think otherwise?
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They're both the problem, along with Tucker and everything else....huge dump....
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Trestman is delusional.... WHY the F would you bring back a guy lost control of his team?? A guy no one really respects. A guy who did not have the guts to fire Kroemer. He didn't have the guts to fire Mel Tucker.
Trestman the offiensive guru - the league figure out this bozo after one season.
Briggs and Jennings QUIT this year.
Now the Bears will spend2 months evaluating everything.
This team is a pathetic mess.
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Exactly right. I have no problem getting rid of cutler because we need a complete rebuild and at his age it makes no sense to keep him. If Cutler is the only change we are still just as bad. Probably worse.
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Still cannot root for the fricking Pakers. Hate em. Go Loins.....
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I can see hem keeping Trestman and firing everyone else.
Cutler: "I think Marc did a good job of staying consistent all year long."
Ahhhh boy....
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I wouldn't put much stock into what anyone says at this point. All are going to take the high road for now. Well except maybe Kroemer.
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Peckers meal ticket looks dead. Peckers worthless with AR.
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Like JB said, he's a drama queen. He'll be back 'like a hero' in the second half....mark it down. Favruh did the same dang crap.....
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It's already started.
Here comes the drama boy
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Rodgers limping big time. Foolish. Wait till he has to avoid the presure.
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He is either faking or it is the dumbest thing ever to have him out there.
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Just got off the phone with direct tv. cancelled the nfl package. What a waste. That been said am now 90 days out from the contract ending and am going to dump the whole **** mess, stream off netflix and hulu, and put up an andtenna. **** this ****. Oh, and your right, hero boy to the resssque! Ginny, mickey, counting the money, smiling.......
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Dang 46. You can do what I do and just watch the other games on the Red Zone.
Screw the Bears.
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Thinking of doing the same thing. Tired of the ridiculously high prices, even with Dish. They'll give ya a six month deal and then bam, right back to the moon. Tired of having to call to pretend to want to cancel to get any deal. Been researching antennas and whatnot. $120/month for no movie channels. It's ridiculous.....
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Sell it guys, sell it all...
Your going to be the worst team in the Division for the next two years minimum.
Enjoy.
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Fumble!!! Lets see that gimp Rodgers scanble in the cold.
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Down by contact ...cry some.
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And a timeout....
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Blocked!!! Lions will win this. Rodgers is a gimp. Blown calf.
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Disregard last post as non-factual.
Pack 28-14 late in fourth.
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Pack won't make it past the Cowturds or Seachickens, so enjoy your entry and quick exit....
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I WILL enjoy playoff football at Lambeau in January.
Enjoy it to.
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To what?
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dave32
Your season starts next year in August.
Enjoy.
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Otto, Why do you even come to a Bears board and spew the puke that you post. You blast others for posting worthless posts and you do the same thing and think that it is okay just because your team is winning right now.
You need to get back to doing something that you are an expert at like knitting your winter mittens.
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All the Pack boards banned his dumb ass...
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Facts are facts. You hold a team to less then 20 when Cutler is starting this year and you get the win.
Wanna change your feelings on that, Wm??
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Ehh, I'm not trying to start another war here. We've all been through one miserable season. Let's look forward instead of backwards to this nightmare of a season. Here's to hoping that we hear some positive changes at Halas today....
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Agreed, time to look ahead.
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Lets hope its a positive look ahead rather than a repeat of past mistake such as hiring a coach with no head coaching experience in the NFL. I am tired of that crap. Been there, done that.
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WSCR: Emery fired
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Emery and Trestman, gone. McCaskey got up in a bad mood, ehh? Good! Get to the business of righting this messed up ship! Phillips next??
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Could be....It was Phillips's job to fire Trestman and Emery, but it was George who did it, so that bodes well that Phillips could indeed be replaced
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Cutler and that idiot receiver are still forward....BBBBWWWWAAAAHHHHHHH!
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Hey Otto...you gonna be here when the Packers lose to the Cowboys or the Seahawks. Nah...I didn't think so either.
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I was away for about a week with no internet or newspapers and just watched the Viking game last night.
Trestman really went whacko with those screen passes. Throw the ball downfield! Guys are running 2 yard pass patterns. If you watch Bennett half the time he's running pass patterns parallel to the LOS 2 yards back!
We have no idea if Marquise Wilson is a keeper.
Forte has a poor game. He had no holes but geesh maybe you put in the rookie and see if he can break some tackles. 2nd and 9 ..2nd and 10 all day.
Bears offense is very limited without Marshall. And Cutler was handicapped with a poor run game, predictable play calling and receivers that rarely generated any separation from the DBs. But his accuracy, especially on 3rd down left a lot to be desired.
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On a positive note, we get the 7th pick in the draft. LOL
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Someone will moan that there will only be 6 impact players in the draft...just wait.
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And you count how many?
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I have no idea but I'd bet there will be someone at 7 that will have a very successful career in the NFL...and someone at 17...and 27....
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When was the last time the Bears picked 7th ? Maybe Urlacher in the last century ?
The only good thing is that it shouldn't take years to become a viable team again in today's NFL. If it does, its a direct indictment of the Front Office (GM/Coaching/Scouting).....
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Urlacher was the 9th pick in the 2000 draft (the 7th pick was an eventual Bears - Thomas Jones). David Terrell was the 8th pick in 2001. Cedric Benson was our highest pick this century...4th in 2005.
Most picks since then were in the second half of round 1 or were totally absent (2009 and 2010) with the Denver trade for Cutler.
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I'm really thinking the Bears need to go for the top MLB in this draft. Someone who can stuff the runs and passes up the middle. We desperately need to solidify the middle of the field.
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I don't disagree that we need an MLB because we don't really have one. But our run defense was a respectable 17th last year compared to our pass defense at 30th or something. You could probably pick any position on defense and make that your first round pick without much of an argument. Well maybe not OLB with Bostic, Jones, McClellan and Greene.
The Bears could go for the top MLB in the draft but it most likely wouldn't be at 7...may not even be in the first round.
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We've been susceptible to the pass from TE's right up the middle all season long. Other routes go right up the gut as well. We need a quick, agile MBL that can cover those passes, that's why I chose MLB.
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Really? Name me a Detroit TE that has hurt us...or a Packer ...or Viking TE?
Not disputing that we don't give up yards to TEs or even opposing running backs but the most of the yardage is to WRs which means deficiencies in scheme, CB and safety play, lack of pass rush.
Or in our case...all of the above.
But I agree we do need a new MLB.
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R. Gronkowski 9 REC, 149 YDS, 3 TDS. He really exposed our MLB as alot of what he did was right up the gut....
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Also, from Miami - REC YdS AVG TD
C. Clay 4 58 14.5 1
Getting huge chunks of yardage from their TE. Surprised they didn't bury us with him....he was very successful when used.
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Again, Saints - REC YDS AVG TD LG
J. Graham 5 87 17.4 0 29
Dang near 18 yard average! That's ridiculous!
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The problem was our D was so porous it was hard to tell where the problems were, there were so many. Can't defend the pass, lets rushers through, can't tackle, can't cover. The opposing teams TE numbers would be higher if we were shutting other things down. We weren't. So they could spread the ball around pretty much at will, alot of these teams. Hence the blowouts...
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As you say when you're 30th against the pass everyone's stats against us will be inflated. and Gronk's numbers came primarily against Mundy not our MLB.
And in a zone or a cover 2 the MLB is really not isolated on the TE anyway.
Again, I don't have a problem with drafting an MLB cuz we need one but is there an MLB at 7? Or even one with a first round grade?
Is there someone like a Keuchley or Urlacher that would be an impact player?
I haven't really looked at the draft sites yet.
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A lot would depend on our new DC and which scheme he wants to run.
We might need a 350lb NT :-)
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Yea I don't know the top flight MLB's coming out either. Have to check it out. If there's none worth the pick, we go elsewhere....
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R. Gronkowski
That was a nightmare game...
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A lot would depend on our new DC and which scheme he wants to run.
We might need a 350lb NT :-)
See that's the key right there. Yeah we do need a MLB, but there is a difference between a 3/4 MLB and a 4/3 MLB. It all depends on what kind of defense we intend to run. At this point in time we cant determine what system we are intending on running.
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Just draft the best player available, regardless of position. It will definitely strengthen your team. Imho, the best GMs all use this strategy. You get hurt drafting for "need".
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Do you really believe that? The Packers draft is based on need year after year.
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Do you really believe that? The Packers draft is based on need year after year.
That is definitely not true.
One example is Aaron Rodgers. He could have been a Bear or been draft by over 20 other teams. The Packers had Favre.
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I knew you'd bring up that ONE example.
Let's look at 2014:
1 21 Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha FS Alabama huge need pick
2 53 Adams, Davante WR Fresno State lost James Jones right?
3 85 Thornton, Khyri DT Southern Mississippi Packers D-line is weak
3 98 Rodgers, Richard TE California f/NFL didn't you just lose a TE to injury?
How about 2013:
1 26 Jones, Datone DE UCLA address more d-line issues
2 61 Lacy, Eddie RB Alabama f/SF no feature HB in years.
4 109 Bakhtiari, David OT Colorado f/NO/Mia OT big weak spot
And 2012:
1 28 Perry, Nick DE Southern Cal
2 51 Worthy, Jerel DT Michigan State f/ARI/PHI
2 62 Hayward, Casey DC Vanderbilt f/NE
4 132 Daniels, Mike DT Iowa f/NFL
4 133 McMillian, Jerron SS Maine f/NFL
Were these all BPAs...no they were all defense and addressed d-line and DB issues.
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I have no idea what your list is supposed to prove, dallas.
Of course you named players of need. You only listed the players of need. Where are the other players who were not drafted for need?
I guess you are trying to prove that GB never chooses a player of need. Of course those draftees were for positions of need. My point was that Thompson drafts best plaayers available. I think you will have to agree that the his draftees are excellent choices. When they match up with position of need that's great but not necessary.
For example, Thompson did not draft a Safety in 2013, even though it was a position of need. He got Ha ha in 2014. That was a good move. He drafted a player of high quality. You don't draft bums just because you have a need.
In 2012 we needed a RB. He knew that and he knew Lacey was the guy. Did he draft him in Round 1? Nope. He was shrewd enough to wait until Round 2 because he knew he would be available there. That's what a really shrew GM does. He is very wise about whom will be available in which round. That little dido was worth getting two first round choices.
I don't want to go round and round about it but it is the depth of knowledge that allows Thompson to make wise choices throughout the draft.
The Packers have two starting CBs who went undrafted. How may do the Bears GMs have?
BTW, Davante Adams was not a draft of need. They had a #3 WR already in Jarrett Boykin. Thompson wanted depth and drafted Adams because the guy is just too good not to. In addition he drafted TWO MORE WRs because the guys are not players of need but are so good that at least two of them will be stars of the future. You can hold me to that. Watch Abbrederis and Jeff Janis in a year or two. Thompson drafted them because they are just too good to pass up, not for need.
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When anyone says a team simply drafts the BPA I say bullshit.
Look at the Packers 2012 draft...all defense with the first 6 picks. They drafted 2 offensive players...in round 7.
I am not disputing that Thompson is very good at what he does...he is. But he is addressing needs just like everybody else.
You think the Pack is going to ignore safety when Nick Collins and Charles Woodson were lost. They traded up in front of the Bears in the 2010 draft to take Burnett...to address a need. They didn't just wait until their pick to take the BPA.
As for Lacy he was passed over 60 times. He was obviously not first round talent on draft day. He was a good pick but nobody had him on their draft board in round 1.
Drafting strictly BPA is a fairy tale. And I'm not saying teams draft strictly for need either. It's a reasonable combination of the two. When you have a really good team you can obviously lean more towards BPA.
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You believe what you want, dallas. Statistics are always twistable. Just watch the top teams and see how they draft.
Packers have 3 starters from last year's draft, including a 1,2 and 5. Richard Rodgers (3) is about ready to start at TE in 2015. Watch for him Sunday.
GBB has 24players on there roster who were undrafted FAs.
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Didn't the Packers one year draft a **** ton of DB's because they needed them? Like 4 in one draft? Then the next year do the same with another position? LBer maybe?
I am just going off of memory here but I am pretty sure I am pretty close.
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Pekin
You are absolutely correct.
Packrat
And why did the Packers draft Richard Rogers with their 3rd round pick in 2014? Because Jermichael Finley career was over after 2013.
I am not criticizing their draft strategy I'm just not praising it like they are doing something so unique. They draft to fill holes - just like everybody else. They however do it much better than most teams...including the Bears.
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That's silly. You are now acting like if Thompson drafted a player who fills a need you drafted him just for need. It would be foolish not to draft him, need or not. He is a jewel and Thompson was smart enough to draft him when he did. Watch him Sunday. It might be the game he has a big break out. He is close, now, while accumulating playing time.
Go ahead; just keep drafting for need.
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By Rob Demovsky | ESPN.com
GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Who knows how much longer the Green Bay Packers will be able to keep Eliot Wolf around, but his promotion to director of player personnel on Friday should help them do so for a while.
The 32-year-old son of former Packers general manager Ron Wolf is widely considered to be a future NFL general manager.
The younger Wolf joined the Packers' personnel department in 2004 as a pro personnel assistant and was promoted to assistant director of pro personnel in 2008 and director of pro personnel in 2011.
The Packers signed general manager Ted Thompson to a contract extension last summer that runs through the 2019 NFL draft so if Eliot Wolf is next in line, he will have to wait out Thompson. Wolf is one of Thompson's top assistants along with senior personnel executive Alonzo Highsmith and director of college scouting Brian Gutekunst.
Those three could be the next generation of GM candidates to come from the Packers' personnel department, which has turned out Seattle Seahawks general manager John Schneider, Oakland Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie and Kansas City Chiefs general manager John Dorsey in the last six years.
It is possible that GB would want to go back and try to sign Schneider after Thompson is gone. Those 3 guys have been successful in their new jobs.
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I think what Packrat is saying is the best teams might have a need but let's say your biggest need is OL, you don't reach in a round to fill that need with an average player. You take the BPA available even if it doesn't fill your biggest need. You might have to wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to fill your biggest need and then they might not be the ideal player but you haven't reached for a player that isn't ideal either. By going this route, you might stockpile some depth at one position while not reaching for another position but it will eventually balance out. When your #1 need coincides nicely with your #1 pick and the talent is there, that is nice.
We have so many holes, we can take the BPA.
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It's hard to criticize the Packers method of drafting when they've proven to be one of the best in the NFL..
I don't think the Bears will have any problem drafting best player since the whole **** team sucks ass..
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I think what Packrat is saying is the best teams might have a need but let's say your biggest need is OL, you don't reach in a round to fill that need with an average player. You take the BPA available even if it doesn't fill your biggest need. You might have to wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to fill your biggest need and then they might not be the ideal player but you haven't reached for a player that isn't ideal either. By going this route, you might stockpile some depth at one position while not reaching for another position but it will eventually balance out. When your #1 need coincides nicely with your #1 pick and the talent is there, that is nice.
Look at the Pack's last 3 first round draft picks:
2014 Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha FS Alabama
2013 Jones, Datone DE UCLA
2012 Perry, Nick DE Southern Cal
Don't tell me that these were simply the best player available at the time at their pick.
In 2009 Rodgers was sacked 50 times - did they draft a DB in 2011? Nope - they drafted Brian Bulaga in round 1.
After they switched to a 3-4 did they draft a WR or a guard? Nope - they drafted Raji and Matthews to fill two huge needs.
Most of these picks were very good - not saying they weren't but they ALL just happened to address Packer needs. They weren't just arbitrary picks on some draft board that just came up when they crossed of the next guy, otherwise you'd probably see at least one offensive player come up instead of 6 straight defenders in 2012.
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I think what Packrat is saying is the best teams might have a need but let's say your biggest need is OL, you don't reach in a round to fill that need with an average player. You take the BPA available even if it doesn't fill your biggest need. You might have to wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to fill your biggest need and then they might not be the ideal player but you haven't reached for a player that isn't ideal either. By going this route, you might stockpile some depth at one position while not reaching for another position but it will eventually balance out. When your #1 need coincides nicely with your #1 pick and the talent is there, that is nice.
We have so many holes, we can take the BPA.
Precisely right. Why can't everybody see that?
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I think what Packrat is saying is the best teams might have a need but let's say your biggest need is OL, you don't reach in a round to fill that need with an average player. You take the BPA available even if it doesn't fill your biggest need. You might have to wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to fill your biggest need and then they might not be the ideal player but you haven't reached for a player that isn't ideal either. By going this route, you might stockpile some depth at one position while not reaching for another position but it will eventually balance out. When your #1 need coincides nicely with your #1 pick and the talent is there, that is nice.
Look at the Pack's last 3 first round draft picks:
2014 Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha FS Alabama
2013 Jones, Datone DE UCLA
2012 Perry, Nick DE Southern Cal
Don't tell me that these were simply the best player available at the time at their pick.
In 2009 Rodgers was sacked 50 times - did they draft a DB in 2011? Nope - they drafted Brian Bulaga in round 1.
After they switched to a 3-4 did they draft a WR or a guard? Nope - they drafted Raji and Matthews to fill two huge needs.
Most of these picks were very good - not saying they weren't but they ALL just happened to address Packer needs. They weren't just arbitrary picks on some draft board that just came up when they crossed of the next guy, otherwise you'd probably see at least one offensive player come up instead of 6 straight defenders in 2012.
Read Navigator's post again. You are so concentrated on the first couple of draftees that you are missing the full scope of the draft. Just because the first thee draftees were in positions of need that doesn't necessarily "draft only for need". TT justifies every player drafted by the rule BPA. Keep in mind that he moves up and down in the draft to find players of need at the Appropriate level. He often moves up or down through trades, in order to grab a player of need at the correct level.
I don't know how to prove his modus except to point out some of his high draft choices that were not players of "need", which I have done.
A lot of the meat of his draft, though, is in the lower levels and the undrafted FAs.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2015/01/08/ted-thompson-qa-green-bay-gm-aaron-rodgers-tony-romo-cowboys/21449509/
The most revealing interview I have heard by TT.
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Navigator said You take the BPA available even if it doesn't fill your biggest need. You might have to wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to fill your biggest need and then they might not be the ideal player but you haven't reached for a player that isn't ideal either.
Most teams don't have only ONE big need - they have more than one...some a lot more than one. So what if you take your biggest need in round 3 and your 3rd biggest need in round 1 - you're still basing your draft on need AND BPA, which is what all teams do.
BPA means you take the player REGARDLESS of need - I don't see that in the Packer drafts.
The Packers have drafted pretty well but don't feed me this crap that they are just picking BPA without any regard to need. Of course the drafting of Aaron Rodgers makes a lot of the rest of their draft picks look a lot better than they really are - but that's another debate.
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Didn't someone say the Bears usually find out who the Packers want to draft and then steal him before the Packers pick?
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I think that was the rumor when we drafted McClellin. That worked out pretty well.
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Dallas that is what I am saying. If your biggest need is RDE but you also need OL help and Orlando Pace is sitting there at your pick, you don't reach for Michael Haynes, you take Pace.
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Yep!
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Right...picking for need...
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Dallas that is what I am saying. If your biggest need is RDE but you also need OL help and Orlando Pace is sitting there at your pick, you don't reach for Michael Haynes, you take Pace.
I see your point, but does that mean you draft a safety if you're set at that position? Come on, it would be idiotic to draft a guy in the first round for a position of need that has a 3rd round grade. But if there's a small gap among a group of players you go with the one that will help you the most. If there is a significant gap, you take the blue chipper or trade down.
Back to 2012, our biggest need was RDE. And there were several pass rushers that were available besides McClellan including Chandler Jones, Whitney Mercilus, and Nick Perry. We just picked the wrong one!
Packers had the same need but at a later pic and by that time only one pass rusher was left on the board and the Pack picked Perry. That was a total need pick and hardly BPA since the Pack passed up Harrison Smith who the Vikes picked up with the very next pick.
The Pack didn't stop there. In round 2 they took Jerel Worthy a DT to help their woeful d-line. Worthy is now out of the league.
Not criticizing the Pack for those 2 picks but all I'm saying is they were need based and not the BPA.
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We need to define BPA first. GMs don't generally list every player precisely against every other player. They rate them in small groups of approximately equal. Even then, some choices are way off target. To a large extent it's more or less a crap shoot.
This whole dispute is kind of nonsensical. A good GM will pick a player he judges to just be a great player even though the team does not have a defined "need". That's the point. A lot of GMs missed on Rodgers because they didn't follow that rule.
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the main thing is I would trade our whole front office and our next 2 #1 picks for the pack's front office.
They get a HOF caliber GM, Coach and QB 2X in a row.
Dallas might be America's team but if God has a favorite team, it might be the Packers.
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I think not having an actual owner helps. Family owned businesses always tend to put idiotic spoiled children in important positions which leads to dysfunction.
The Packers do have a good front office in place but they have also had a ton of luck. Finding HOF franchise QB's is hard or everyone would be able to do it. They have had two in a row. As lucky as you can get.
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Worthy was a stud at MSU - the draft is such a crap-shoot
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yeah, I think having Rogers covers for a lot of other deficiencies.
He has covered for poor OL at times and poor WR at times and a poor running game.
Scoring so many points and few turnovers also covered for a poor defense.
As those things are coming together they are getting stronger and stronger.
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I can't believe the commentators picking Dallas.... Are they basing this on the "calf injury"? I'll be surprised if Green Bay doesn't win..
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Nice cheap shot by Mathews on Romo's knees on that TD play.
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Peckers going down today. Rodgers is hurt and can not run - Cowboys just figuring that out.
Peckers wil lwin as many playoff games as the Bears this year.
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Very quiet in cheeseland.
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they'll win.
Rodgers will come out in the 2nd 1/2 on fire.
I have a hard time pulling against GB in this game.
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I see he is already doing his gay skip, acting like he is hurt so he can play the gimpy hero. Man I hate him and the Packers.
**** Cowboys lost the game with that missed field goal. Dumb asses!
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That fumbled sucked. Tuck it away.
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I don't see either one of these teams getting past Seattle.
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It is amazing the amount of holding the Packers O-line is allowed to get away with.
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Dallas secondary tackles as poorly as us.
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WOW!
Great catch first and goal Dallas!
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I bet they find some reason to overturn it.
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WHAT BULLSHIT!!!
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Bullshit!
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If the ruling on the field was incomplete I could see it.
He made the catch put it away then was reaching for the goal line. That is when he bobbled it but it never hit the ground because his hand was under it and he regained control in the end zone. Worst call of the playoffs so far.
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Enjoy your fake win Packers fans. Seahawks are going to kill your team next week.
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I hope Karma catches up with the Pack for that call.
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Seriously? First thing I said was "not a catch".. If nothing else Dallas got in on some shitty officiating..
Packers will get smooshed by Seattle..
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They get so f'ing lucky it's unreal. Despise that team. Hope they go to Seattle and Seattle beats the living @%@# outta them!! That was such a bs call. Not seeing much response from the resident GB fans. They know they lost that game if not for that bs call...
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I'm not sure Dallas would have won even if that play stood up. There was still plenty of time left on the clock. They will have to play a lot better though if they want to have a chance against Seattle.
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The referees and pundits seem to all agree the Dez Bryant play was incomplete.
Then the rule needs to be changed.
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Idiot bear fans
First, get an NFL team first.
Second, a WR needs to complete the catch when going to the ground. Byrant did not, not a catch.
Third, the bears had a playoff win this season?
BBBBBBBBBBWWWEWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!
LOSERS
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Yeah, let's change the rules because Dez Byrant doesn't understand the rules.
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No bumpkin, simply because its a bad rule.
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How about just catch the ball.
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Funny all the Packer fans thought the rule was BS when Calvin Johnson's TD was ruled incomplete. This one was even worse because he actually kept control of the ball. I never saw the ball hit the ground. It was bobbling when he hit the ground but his arm was under it. Plus he took a few steps pulled it in and then reached out for the goal line. To me that is a football move as stated in the rules.
As I said if the ruling on the field was incomplete and the review upheld it then I would have been fine with it. However unless the refs had a different view then the audience was shown there was no proof the ball itself hit the ground. His hand was under it. Plus he has it in his grasp and pulled it in took a step or two and then lunged for the end zone.
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Ball hit the ground Mr. Holding.
Wanna talk about the 1985 bears some, so the playoffs are relevant to you?
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Seahawks are going to kill the Packers next week. Just like they would have killed the Cowboys.
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42- zip at half........
Bbbbbbbbbbbbbaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh.
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Otto, are you predicting the Packers will be up 42-0 at half?
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Nope, just fondly remembering a historic beat down from the 2015 season.
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Thank goodness for the Packers' D and Lacy's running. Cobb and Davante had good games, too.
I hope that Rodgers is healed better before the Seattle game. He was great, though, considering his injury.
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His isn't hurt. He just likes to skip down the field.
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Enjoy the off season.....
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Yea, you will be next weekend jackazz. Gonna be fun watching the Seahawks beat the **** out of your fking team.....
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I'm not sure Dallas would have won even if that play stood up. There was still plenty of time left on the clock.
I really question the call on 4th and 2. Cowboys were having pretty good success against the Packers moving the ball.
Even if Bryant makes the catch there still handing the ball over to Rodgers with over 4 minutes and a couple of TOs. Gutsy call though.
After watching this game I'm thinking that the Bears need to look at drafting cover DBs.
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that are 6'2" or taller - is that too much to ask?
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Maybe - cover corners the size of zone cornerbacks? We've missed Peanut these last couple of years.
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Did you recognize the name of Dallas' fullback? Tyler Clutts.
He's the one who caught their first TD and blew up Peppers on another TD. Bears need to add back the FB - Rosario and Eben Britten did not help the run game.
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No doubt, gotta have a ground game..
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Would love to get Ezekiel Elliot. Kid reminds me of A Peterson. Explosive and evasive
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Bull ****.
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Bull ****.
That's the fire, Packy!! Now what do you disagree with?
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Bull ****.
Packrat's reply when asked if the Packers are going after the BPA in round 1.
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It was a Peke post. Gone now.
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What? What did I do?
I didn't delete anything. I am guessing it was, "He isn't hurt. He just likes to skip down the field."
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Not that there's anything wrong with that......
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What? What did I do?
I didn't delete anything. I am guessing it was, "He isn't hurt. He just likes to skip down the field."
That's it. I'm confused. I'm sure that I saw that posted.
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3434 It is still there.
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ESPN reporting the Jets have hired Todd Bowles.
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Thought PR was ticked at me saying Ezekiel would be a good pick, lol. No, not really. Knew he was referring to something else, or even possibly replying on the wrong thread again.
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Oooo. That hurt. :-)
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Anthony from Brisbane, Australia
Coach McCarthy is a coach that does not receive enough accolades. In line with his Super Bowl ploy of getting measured for rings, I wonder what you think he might spring on the team to focus them for Sunday?
Mike McCarthy is a great coach because he fixes what’s broken. He fixed the running game in 2013, fixed the defense in 2014, fixed the offense in the second half of Sunday’s win over the Cowboys, etc. The rings thing was just a little fun to help break the tension. That’s not the kind of stuff that makes a coach great. Having the vision to identify problems and fix them is what makes a coach great. Developing talent is what makes a coach great. McCarthy is a consummate manager of football. He has a feel for the game and for his team and he is in constant fix mode. Rings, schmings. That’s drama. Hey, I thought he didn’t like drama.
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Rod from Cuerna, Morelos
Vic, why don’t you answer questions that are mostly non-American? Do you think America is the best country in the world?
I think I answer a lot of questions from fans outside our boundaries, but I sure like being an American. Our markets are at all-time highs, gas is under $2 a gallon, things are pretty peaceful right now, and the Packers are in the NFC title game. Life’s good
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Bill from Raleigh, NC
Vic, I see this game as a 20-point game. No team has scored more than 20 points against Seattle for over two months. And can the defense hold Seattle to under 20 points? I’m nervous on both fronts, Vic. How do you see it?
I like that storyline: First team to 20 wins. Yeah, I like that a lot.
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Isiah from Germantown, WI
I feel like Rodgers’ comments about how it was easier for him to move to the left is some kind of tactic of his to get them to bring pressure from the left so it opens the field up opposite of Sherman. Your thoughts?
Listen to everything; believe nothing.
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Mike from Rockford, MI
On the first offensive play of the game, the Packers run at Sherman and Lacy delivers a crushing blow. How would that be for theater?
It’s more than theater, it’s football. I’m a big believer in running at great pass defenders. I think it can help soften them against the pass. It’s tiresome having to tackle Eddie Lacy. He can hurt you, too.
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Earl Thomas says white players don't have good soul.
By Terry Blount | ESPN.com
RENTON, Wash. -- Seattle Seahawks free safety Earl Thomas has heard all the talk about Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers being limited because of his torn calf muscle.
“I'm not buying into this leg issue,” Thomas said. “I saw him scramble close to the goal line on the Cowboys, so he's not fooling me with that. I'm not falling into that.”
One good leg or two, Thomas has the utmost respect for Rodgers, including this unusual compliment.
“You don't really see a lot of quarterbacks of his skin color with soul like that,” Thomas said. “I like it.” ...
;-)
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lol, PR you're on the wrong thread again.
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By Gary D'Amato of the Journal Sentinel
Jan. 8, 2015
Joe Buck and Troy Aikman love the Packers. Really.
Thursday, Jan. 8
PACKERS
Tyler Dunne, beat writer
Rick Wood
Let's get this on the record right up front: Joe Buck loves Green Bay.
Fox's top play-by-play football announcer enjoys coming to Wisconsin, even when the weather is less than hospitable. He respects Packers coach Mike McCarthy. He admires quarterback Aaron Rodgers.
His father, the legendary Jack Buck, was in the broadcast booth at Lambeau Field on that wretchedly, wickedly cold day 47 years ago when the Packers beat the Dallas Cowboys in the 1967 NFL Championship Game.
"I was indoctrinated in the Ice Bowl and the Packers at a very young age," Buck said in a telephone interview.
So why do a lot of Packers fans think he has an anti-Green Bay bias?
"It cracks me up," Buck said. "It's equal parts funny and frustrating. It's just baffling to me. I've said that McCarthy is the coach I would start a franchise with, and (Rodgers) is the quarterback I would start a franchise with."...
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Of the many individual matchups that could determine Sunday's NFC Championship game, perhaps none will be more fun to watch than Packers linebacker Julius Peppers against Seahawks right tackle Justin Britt.
Even at age 34, Peppers remains a dynamic athlete and dangerous pass rusher. His combination of size (6-foot-7, 287 pounds) and speed is rare even at the NFL level, and his football IQ makes him a difficult matchup for any offensive lineman. This season, Peppers successfully converted from a down lineman to edge-rushing linebacker. He'll still put his hand in the dirt from time to time, but for the most part the Packers put him in space.
As for Britt, he survived the gauntlet of starting 17 games and counting at right tackle for one of the best rushing teams in the league. While his play hasn't always looked pretty, Britt has locked down the right side of the line as a rookie. He gave up a team-high five sacks per Pro Football Focus, but has been clean over the Seahawks last three games, a sign that the rookie is maturing into his role...
Still, this matchup favors the Packers. Peppers has shown up in big games, and this one ranks alongside Super Bowl XXXVIII and the 2010 NFC Championship game in terms of significance to his career. If he can turn Britt into a liability in pass protection, the Packers could negate what has been a steadily improving aerial attack.
Sic 'em Julius.
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Problem is Wilson can outrun him easily and most of the D, so any advantage is lost. Seahawks take this game....
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Easily
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I lose a bet for picking the SB opponents correct at the end of pre-season if the Packers don't make the big dance.... (Chose Pats/Packers :D)
Still, it would almost (I said almost) be worth it to see the Packers lose. But Seattle's is a good team but other than Wilson they come off as a bunch of douchbags, so I've got kind of mixed feelings.....
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They reported on the radio this morning that Pace was in Den yesterday meeting with Fox. Interesting.
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Still, it would almost (I said almost) be worth it to see the Packers lose. But Seattle's is a good team but other than Wilson they come off as a bunch of douchbags, so I've got kind of mixed feelings.....
OK, then root for the Seahawks then switch to the Colts. Of course I don't know how much money were talking about in your bet. (That's why I never engage in game predictions or fantasy football - I'd never pick the Packer or a Packer player).
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I lose a bet for picking the SB opponents correct at the end of pre-season if the Packers don't make the big dance.... (Chose Pats/Packers :D)
Still, it would almost (I said almost) be worth it to see the Packers lose. But Seattle's is a good team but other than Wilson they come off as a bunch of douchbags, so I've got kind of mixed feelings.....
I agree totally.. I've seen all of Sherman that I can stand..
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And how about Marshawn Lynch's post-game interviews?
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Still, it would almost (I said almost) be worth it to see the Packers lose. But Seattle's is a good team but other than Wilson they come off as a bunch of douchbags, so I've got kind of mixed feelings.....
OK, then root for the Seahawks then switch to the Colts. Of course I don't know how much money were talking about in your bet. (That's why I never engage in game predictions or fantasy football - I'd never pick the Packer or a Packer player).
Funny thing, I've started hating the Lions more than the Pack.. Who'd a thought..
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Lions are second on my sh*t list. When I was much younger it was the Vikings. The Bears, particularly the defense would always play them tough but end up losing. Tarkenton, Chuck Foreman, or John Gilliam would always make some plays that our offense could never match.
Then Brett Favre came along and I had a new number 1 team.
(In baseball it was the Pirates and for too long now it's been the Cardinals).
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I will never root for either the Cardinals or the Packers.
Ever.
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I hate the fuckin Cardinals!!
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Seachickens come back from 16 down in the 1st half to take a 3 pt lead inside of 2 minutes to go in regulation. Then Rodgers engineers a drive to tie it at 22. In OT Wilson then drives 80 yards for the score for the game winner. Glad the Pack go down
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Thank God no more puke green and **** yellow.....good riddance....
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Then Rodfers engineers a drive to tie it at 22. In OT Wilson then drives 80 yards for the score for the game winner. Glad the Pack go down
"Rodfers"?
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Amazing comeback by the Seahawks. Glad the Pack is out.
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"Rodfers"?
I corrected the spelling error
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The good thing about this is we shouldn't have to worry about Oddo showing up till next season. That was a perpetual "Choke".
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God was it ever. That was one for the ages. The onside kick muff was priceless.
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The bad part is NE will spank the Seahawks.
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Think it'll be much closer than you think, Nav. Seattle ain't no easy game. Alot depends on whether Sherman will be healthy. Should be a good Super Bowl at least. Very thankful GB ain't in it. Cannot STAND that team, abhor them!!! Would rather have a hot needle to the eye than root for that club....well, not really, but it's darned close!
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Pats are firing on all cylanders right now. I don't know how that coach does it. He is the best.
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This is going to be like last year for me. I couldn't root for the Broncos because of Manning. Can't say that I'm into Brady and the Pats either. Wasn't real crazy for the Seahawks either.
Maybe I root for the Seahawks since they did provide me some joy today and I usually go with the NFC.
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I don't like either one..
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I normally go for the NFC, but Richard Sherman just makes it hard for me to pull for them. If he didn't play, I will probably go for the Hawks, otherwise it is the Patriots.
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No otter yet? He was quick the last few weeks to be on here to remind everyone about how great his team was and the Bears are watching the playoffs from home.
No word from him yet? We can all hope he got suicidal and killed himself.
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So... addition by subtraction ? :D I kid... I kid.....
I was SOOOO close to getting the SB pick right. Damn I can't win for losing..... :(
So is Dom Capers fired yet ?
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So is Dom Capers fired yet ?
That's the same thing I said...
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Anyone read about the deflatted footballs in New England? There saying the Pats deflatted the footballs. Those footballs did not hurt Tom Brady. Plus doesn't the NFL guard footballs these days after endless amounts of "tinkering" in 50's, 60's, 70's?
I am just guessing it's a dome team out in the snow. Colts couldn't andle the elements.
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NFLN said one football was taken out of circulation.
They mentioned teams provide 12 game balls + 12 additional in inclimate weather or something to that effect.
They also said it is not uncommon to have a ball taken out of rotation.
Sounds like the media or someone is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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That's the way I took it..
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or a mountain out of a prarie dog hill
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The Vikings deflated balls a number of years ago, back when Mitch Berger was Booming kick offs and punts,.
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Johnbil
My team did in fact prove how good it is and will remain that way this year.
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**** IT.
Are The CHICAGO BEARS going to be better in 2015 then they were in 2014?
A dispensation of coaches is going on too fast and too good.
JJ cant find a real reason to **** yet.
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Odder sighting........ Must have gotten rid of the hair ball that got the Smackers all "Choked up"
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He's over on the politics thread spreading his special brand of hate.
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Duck,
Change the thread name to : "Today's Game 2015."
Good idea to keep up with the times. ;)
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If I were king I would decree that the number if commercials in the Super Bowl be cut in half and the halftime show be eliminated. I would also limit how much yapping the announcers can do between plays. Just call the damn game. This is nearly unwatchable despite being tied at the half.
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I thought it was just me. Talking over plays, seven thousand commercials, blah. Also, while I'm on a caffiene burn rant, I **** hate,hate,hate kickoffs. Move the tee back!
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Was Pete Caroll channeling Trestman with that stupid play call?
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Run Lynch! Carro9ll is a dumb ass!
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Ahhh. Seahogs' luck finally ran out.
Now, if Bellyache is suspended for a year or so, all will be well.
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Stupid play calling snatching defeat from the jaws of victory....**** if that was the Bears losing like that I'd be inconsolable...
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Holy cow, talk about a stupid playcall. The absolute epitome of stupid! They had that game. Run Lynch, get the score, win the game. They had it. What a fricking stupid stupid STUPID play call!! Patriots are the luckiest team, I swear....unreal....
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zrjebCIAIm14B.jpg)
"What are you talking about?? That was a superb play call. It was rather unfortunate that the quarterback could not complete the process."
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"It was all part of the systems of football."
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Patriots might be the 2nd luckiest team...did you see Kearse's catch?
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Weren't we looking at Darryl Beville as a HC candidate. Sure glad we didn't make that choice.
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I run lynch ten times out of ten there.
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Suck it Seattle.
Now enjoy the coming expensive off season.
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Still happy Pakers weren't in it.....made my Super Bowl.....
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CHICAGO BEARS ... need a SUPERBOWL !
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They need to do more than JUST get there. Its hell to just get there and not win it.
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Also surprised Belichek didn't call any time out in that last minute to give Brady chance for a come back had the Seahawks scored.
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VJ- what a horrible picture. He looks like a Nazi just captured by the israilies for trial. I can't believe
that guy coached the bears. btw, I wouild run that monster at the goal line too, but seattle tried it
five times last year, and only got in once. Kudos to the kid from west Alabama.
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(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10968497_10206035630115391_2718108645629140265_n.jpg?oh=1d6619a05b5183cadd86f1d10a726f4b&oe=555147C0)
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Lol Sporty, bad photo chop but funny anyway.
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An Epic Swing
In terms of one play swinging a team’s chances of winning the Super Bowl, the second-down interception was probably the most important in the history of the NFL. Burke’s Advanced Football Analytics model suggested after the game that the Patriots’ chances of winning jumped from 12 percent before the interception to 99 percent afterward, for a swing of 87 percentage points. It’s difficult for one play in any context to shift things that dramatically.
This is howclose Seattle came to winning that game, and really, should have won it the very next play.....
(http://i2.wp.com/espngrantland.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/hightower1.gif)
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Well, Carroll did say they would have run it on 3rd and 4th down...
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VJ- what a horrible picture. He looks like a Nazi just captured by the israilies for trial. I can't believe
that guy coached the bears. btw, I wouild run that monster at the goal line too, but seattle tried it
five times last year, and only got in once. Kudos to the kid from west Alabama.
Yeah. It didn't work for GB either, from the one yarde line..
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Poor Carroll. Boo hoo.
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Poor Carroll. Boo hoo.
Packy you loved every last minute of that last minute and you know it. ;D
N.E. absolves Packers. ;)
You got your revenge against Seattle vicariously. :D
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Honestly, jj, I didn't watch the SB. We beat NE and completely outplayed Seattle for 56 minutes. What's to watch? Only the last 5 minutes. I checked into the game with 5 minutes left, which I did watch with some satisfaction.
GB shut down after 56 minutes thinking the game was won. Those young guys won't do that again.
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They didn't 'shut down', they got beat! Seattle took the game from them. Seattle had four turnovers and overcame them to beat you guys. Your safety blew a easy coverage on the 2pt conversion. He stood there looking stupid while the reciever went for the ball and got the points. Your blocker on the onside kick went for the ball when he should have been blocking. That's his fault and a error on Green Bay. The stats show, except for the turnovers, this was a even game. And Seattle overcame their turnovers and deserved to go. I know it's hard for GB people to see it, but that's the truth. They got beat.
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The Packers used up all their luck against the Cowboys the week before. They should be happy they even got the chance to play in the NFC championship.
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And the Cowboys used all theirs up against the Lions.
Funny how that all worked out. Karma for each team.
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They didn't 'shut down', they got beat! Seattle took the game from them. Seattle had four turnovers and overcame them to beat you guys. Your safety blew a easy coverage on the 2pt conversion. He stood there looking stupid while the reciever went for the ball and got the points. Your blocker on the onside kick went for the ball when he should have been blocking. That's his fault and a error on Green Bay. The stats show, except for the turnovers, this was a even game. And Seattle overcame their turnovers and deserved to go. I know it's hard for GB people to see it, but that's the truth. They got beat.
Come on. Get real.
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Well here we go! First pre-season game of the year.
I am guessing since it is still on WMBD that is still being shot by their awful cameras that they claim are HD but actually look like the **** we had to watch in the 80's.
It is embarrassing that Chicago Bears pre-season games are not in true HD. It is so bad that on NFLN when they show the replay they will use the Dolphins feed the entire game intead of doing a half of each teams feed. The visiting team. I don't understand why I am the only person who complains about this every year.
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Watching pre-game stuff more then one reporter raved about McClellin. Said he is calling the plays on defense and this looks like this should have been his position all along. Said he knocked Kyle Long on his ass one play in training camp.
They also said he has never had a good training camp until this one and has really stood out. Mullen said Jared Allen has looked real good as well. They say or new DC loves to attack and will probably be blitzing this game. Cutler has not thrown a single int in training camp. However they also said many times Pernell McPhee was standing next to him because he couldn't hit him.
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In case anyone was wondering the defense still sucks. Dolphins have driven right down the field. 1st and goal.
The Dolphins have been called for holding twice though.
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Dolphins score a TD on 4th and 2.
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Bears D knocked around all the way down the field. Preparing for the O to go three and out...
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False start by Mills, 2 yd carry by Rodgers, Royals for a few and incomplete.
Three and out.
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Yup...ugly so far
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3 & out for Bears, looks like they are already in mid-season form! ;D
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Dolphins moving the ball pretty good but the D finally steps up and force the punt. Bears start around the ten or so.
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So far its a preseason game to be sure.....
Vanilla all around.....
Rodgers looks fast (and is obviously hard to see for defenders :D)
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Cutler gets rocked. After that the Bears start moving the ball with a pass to Bennet and Rodgers running the ball in chunks.
I am guessing this will be the last series for the Bears starters on O.
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Fish sat their D starters after that play I think. Before they did, Cutler and Co. were stymied. Oh well, preseason.
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7-3 Dolphins. Bears were going to go for it on 4th and 2 at the 25 but a false start by the center **** that up.
Fox has seemed to be pissed at the refs. He had a several NFL crew guys by him earlier and he was giving them hell it looked like. No clue what he was complaining about. Glad to have a coach that will do that. I think it pays off if done right. Trestman and Lovie never seemed to complain to refs or the NFL.
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The radio guys said no Jeffery at warmups and he didn't come out of the tunnel.. I wonder what was up with that...
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I count 4 penalties atm (5 if you count the one offset by the phins).......
Fox can't be too happy about that (and Dolphins were one of the most penalized last year as well).....
Here's hoping for no injuries at least..
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FWIW the NFL gamepass thingy worked well (no hitches so far).....
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Pretty obvious to me the Dolphins have way more talent then the Bears do. They are also much further along in their systems. Which is to be expected since we have a new coaching staff.
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I didn't see much from Pernell McPhee, except some penalties. And I saw nothing that said Brock Vereen should be starting. Shea, meh. I know it is the first preseason game, and they are going to go vanilla, but still. Mills looked overwhelmed. And Bellamy screwed the pooch on the last play.
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Based on this game (and its not a good basis for determination), it will be a LOOONGG season.....
I'd be more concerned with the penalties and Jordan Mills doing his best to be the weakest link on the oline....
The fact that the Bears made all 3 phins QBs look good and the Bear's didn't make ours look good is something of a concern tho....
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Schedule has announced the GB-NE game for several weeks. Tonight the announcement cancelled the game and showed ----highlights of Bill Walsh --- WTH?
Opening game of the pre-season and NFLN has NO FOOTBALL GAME AT ALL in Bloomington. Now, if we wait until next SUNDAY the GB-NE game will be shown - Maybe?
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That's sad.... the gamepass is free this weekend but if you are not careful they charge $99 if not canceled by the 20th.....
Sam Rosen just called the Bears the Rangers... pricelesss..... :D
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Packers are showing on NFLN in San Diego, must be a local black out
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These Bears backups have some fight and motivation...
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There are some good players still on the field for the Bears. This is typical though of bad teams. The bottom of the roster is not all that different from the top...
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FWIW observations from the 1st preseason game (and it is only a preseason game):
1. This team is still a work in progress. Lots of mistakes (especially flags), but that is to be expected with the new systems being implemented.
2. The team seemed to keep coming and coming and coming.... and was pretty conservative. They just kept doing what they were going to do. I think this is a reflection of John Fox and something we will be seeing regularly.
3. If the 1st stringers had played on both sides the whole way, I think Miami would've won. It just seemed their 1st team was more focused on both sides of the ball than the Bears'.
4. Some of the undrafted guys made some good plays (that MB Timu comes to mind) and it was nice to see.
5. It seemed that John Fox was animated on the sidelines, whether canvasing the refs or talking on the headset (it would be so cool to hear what he was talking about).
6. Sam Rosen calling the Bears the Rangers was hilarious (he's always good for a gaffe or two)...
Go BEARS !!
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WOW! Look at Perry!
27-10 Bears.
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Perry just ran by the safety (who took a bad angle) for sure- he didn't look like he was running that fast but he was for sure....
Addendum:
1a. The extra point just looks weird now.....
2a. Bears turned over the ball 0 times. Hope this is a trend...
Go Bears !
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Think it's gonna be a loooong season and one that will try our patience...much like the last few come to think of it
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Forte and Jeffery didn't play
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Caught parts of the game(?)last night and quickly decided that watching a rebuilding season is not worth watching on a regular basis, so I look forward to reading the commentary posted here...
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Mills is the guy on the hot seat. As for the offense, did Forte play? Did Jeffrey? Did Kevin White? 3 of your top offensive weapons didn't play and we're already forming opinions of the offense?
Defense's excuse is new players and new system - they've got a month to figure it out. Still have concerns up front defensively and in the backfield.
I am recording the 10am NFLN showing - looking forward to see the lines play.
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WE WON with rookies and non starter backups.
I think what was different was coming through in the second half ...
those that want to make the team were really trying.
I was pretty impressed.
There's a new mentality to this team that has in graced the members that may not make this team.
They want to win. My problem after seeing this penalty flagged based game ...
I don't want to cut anybody. Them **** were really trying.
Unfortunately we have to get to 53. :(
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Well you could always just cut the first stringers.....LOL
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Well you could always just cut the first stringers.....LOL
You saw that too?
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Gentlemen,
Did we get to see what we wanted to see?
CHICAGO BEARS being takin as pertinent ?
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Somewhere between 6 - 10 and 8 - 8.
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I am not sure what you can take from that game. I watched a show today about it and a Bears reporter was saying we only blitzed one time during the Dolphins first drive. They said that is not our defense. We will be bringing guys on almost every play and from all different angles. He felt they were trying to evaluate our starters by making them play straight up and that individually the guys did very well. The players that did not show up were McPhee (who they aren't worried about, they figure he will turn it up a notch in real games) along with Fuller and Vereen. They said Fuller has not been having a good camp.
On offense they feel like Jordan Mills really hurt himself. The question is do we have someone better or can we get someone better?
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The best option for replacing a struggling Mills would be to slide Long over to RT and insert Ola or Ducasse at RG. Another option would be to move Ola to RT.
And don't count out Fabuluje - our 6th round pick. He's 6-6 342.
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I see an 0-3 start.
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I hope all the press Fuller is getting isn't going to his head. He has been anointed as a building block, lets hope the kid isn't reading all the press clippings. As for McPhee, I hope he can turn it on, for Vereen, not sure he is the answer at all.
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Otto, For the Packers? Could be all it takes is for Rodgers to go down and the Packers are one of the worst teams in the league.
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Otto, For the Packers? Could be all it takes is for Rodgers to go down and the Packers are one of the worst teams in the league.
True dat....
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The backups definitely looked better than the starters, lol. I think Clausen even outplayed Cutler. That Acho guy is a keeper. I can't remember half the guys who made plays. The one that made that int, the LB, Ima or something like that, Uma whatever he looked great making that play. Wasn't a easy play to make, either. Thing is the Phins second team was horrific. I mean BAD! So it's hard to really get a good feel on these guys yet.
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Just watching game now. Watch first drive and thought I would jump over here right away while my thoughts were fresh.
McPhee not looking as advertised. However he may have just been frustrated by the conservative play calling on D.
Veeren is a liability, the eyes don't lie.
Shea M. has found a home in the middle calling plays. I actually state on the boards during his rookie year that he should be MLB, but Urlacher's ego would have been hurt and they never put him there.
The Phins had a long run on first drive, but our run d looks greatly improved to me.
I am really excited to see what Jared Allen can do in a 3-4. I think it might revitalize his career.
After reading comments on this board I was expecting to see an awful first series however I saw the opposite. The one time we blitzed McPhee was called for offsides but there were 3 Bears on the QB and he had to throw it away.
I think those that don't feel we are going to do much this season will be surprised, yes based on small sample size.
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Just watched the offensive first two series. It was ugly.
We got to remember Miami is going to have a very, very special Dline with Wake and Suh. Once they left the game our offense ignited. It is a new offense however our Oline was completely dominated early again I think we are looking at the best Dline in the NFL this year in Miami.
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Timu was the stud LB. I was thinking the same thing, we need to find a way to keep that guy, AND play him.
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Having now lost White for most likely the season and very possibly his whole career with having to have a rod inserted in his leg, I'm downgrading the season even moreso. We'll be lucky to get 4 wins IMO. A bad season has just gotten much worse....
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I think 4 to 5 wins is reasonable..
I've been debating whether or not to get the ticket, I think I'll pass once again..
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Now I know I'll pass, I just looked up, someone else re-opened wiziwig..
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wiziwig? Gonna have to look at that....
We should have picked Shelton. Think he was on the top for most of us then they surprised us with The Bust....nicely done, NOT.
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I guess we are all second guessing White with our 1st pick,but,I still did not want Shelton. I much rather have Goldman in the 2nd. For our 1st selection I would have preferred Vic Beasley (OLB) or Marcus Peters (CB).
My big question is when did White first have this issue? How did he fracture his shin in no contact drills? I have a feeling he probably had some problems in the past they just manifested itself over time. Oh well,it's doubtful we were going anywhere this year. Maybe a silver lining will be the emergence of Marquiss Wilson as a deep threat?
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I watched the Bears/Dolphin game and came away unimpressed. Other than Clausen playing pretty well and a few individual highlites the only thing we showed noticeable improvement on is the kicking game. We won because Miami was sloppier than us with regards to penalties.
It's gonna be a long year with so many changes to the system. I like our coaching staff and I think things will click,but,I'm not counting on things turning around till the second half of the year. I'm thinking 6-10 is a realistic outlook.Maybe 8-8 if we stay injury free?
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I think anything over 6 wins is wishful thinking. Of course, 6 wins may be a fantasy in itself..
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My big question is when did White first have this issue? How did he fracture his shin in no contact drills?
It has been reported as a stress fracture, which is the result of repetitive stress from activities such as running, jumping, etc., rather than from contact such as he would receive in contact drills.
It has been speculated that it was caused by his overtraining for the open workouts, but since he performed extremely well in them, it probably actually started bothering him sometime after that.
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I just wonder how this injury will affect his speed long term. 4.35 got him in the top 10. A 4.5 would have landed him in the 2nd round.
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If the Bears start out 2-6 or something like that there is no way White will play in the 2nd half. I just found out about the rod thing today - it just might be a season ender. As for career-ending, it's not a joint so maybe there is a better chance of it not effecting him long term.
My kids over the years had about half a dozen stress fractures (all in the lower arms) - everyone of them was casted immediately and it eventually healed on his own. He seemed to be quite active on it which might have prevented it healing.
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And BTW, stress fractures can be caused by a single sudden high impact on the bone too.
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True. And if it had happened in training camp, that would be the most likely cause. The point is that we have no idea when or how it happened, but there is no reason to believe that either the Bears lied or that the doctors were less than capable.
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I found in brief research the medical approach is long rest first then surgery if it is not resolved.
Pretty much what it looks like the medical staff has done.
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Was he resting? He should have been in a boot.
To go from shin splints to inserting a rod - something is missing here.
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It happened in OTA's… He was not able to complete them
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You're not CHICAGO BEARS if you don't have your first rounder gimped.
BEARS always play though this ****.
Remember Chris (thalidomide baby arms ) Williams ?
Hey ... what the **** did you SEE from these motherfuckers in the fourth quarter?
That's all that counts. Did they fuckin turn it on to win ?
BTW ... Can we cut the starters and keep the rookies and backups ?
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Colts 11 and the Bears 9 at the half
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Finished watching first quarter. Thought I would jot down some observations while they are fresh.
McPhee having much better game tonight. He is an impact player for our D. Allen creating problems, really looking like he will be the JA of old this year. J. Jenkins seems to have a place in this defense, that is huge. I am telling you guys D is looking like it will be fun to watch this year. Aggressive.
Offense showed much more life 1st quarter of this game. I think our Oline is weakness. We are one guy short of a solid line. Forte will be solid. I think our WR core will work in this offense, which will be much more conservative. Ball control offense, aggressive D; Bears football.
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The right tackle is the weakness. They benched Jordan Miller. His replacement has even played worse then him. He will get his job back by default.
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Leno Jr. sucks....bad.
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2nd half so far all Bears 23-11 Bears
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Langford looks like an awesome pick!
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Langford was named player of the Game. 9 carries for 80 yards, almost 9 yards per carry.
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I see Fales finally gets some action
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FWIW here's my takes on the game last night:
1. The O was improved, they seemed dedicated to running the ball and did so all night long. Jay's run that didn't get the TD was a hightlight/ Right Tackle is a major concern and Leno looked like Webb reincarnated (not a good thing)......
2. The D was improved. McPhee was explosive and for the most part the others did their jobs. Fuller getting burned and getting a taunting penalty (and the subsequent Luck rushing TD) were the worst moments. The Luck TD came after the play broke down, and since Luck is a good QB when the play breaks down, I give the D credit for breaking the play down in the first place (although giving up the TD sucked)....
3. Special teams look special again. Maybe not quite Dave Toub good but not the dumpster fire they have been the last 2 years......
4. Flags were way down, but as usual they were mostly the preventable kind (Leno doing his best Webb impression).
5. Overall greatly improved from last week. The Bears look like they have some REAL coaching going on......
Also- watched the highlights on NFL network after the game and they only showed 2- The TY Hilton catch and the Luck TD. Go figure. The Bears not mentioned once. They are flying under the radar indeed.....
Go Bears !
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Weird thing Gould seems to have gained 10 yards on his leg.
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Yeah, McPhee may be the playmaker this defense needs. The pass rush looks pretty active - more concerned about the run defense.
Bears played a lot more 4 man fronts than I thought they would. Good to see Houston and Willie Young out there. We may not need them right away but we'll need them eventually.
Didn't see much from Amos at FS - that's not necessarily a bad thing. Still early but he appears more physical than Vereen.
My impression about Leno hasn't changed from last year - is Ola next to audition for the job? Or do we go directly to Plan C - move Long outside. Also noticed Bushrod messing up in the running game - he's still solid as a pass blocker.
Somewhat impressed by our backup WRs - but you see how badly we miss the red zone abilities of Marshall and Jefferies. More than somewhat impressed by our backup HBs - Jacquizz Rodgers and Langford should get some carries this year.
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We definitely need to move Long outside but only if we have a decent replacement. Doesn't have to be a superstar, but OG needs to be solid.
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More than somewhat impressed by our backup HBs - Jacquizz Rodgers and Langford should get some carries this year.
And glad to see us dedicating more of the offense to the run... It's early, but I like the direction we're going in..
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If the Bears can run as well as they did at Indy, having a big wr in the red zone may be a moot point. won't need them. I freely admit to being ancient, but I love that type of football. Run it, smash it, score it.
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We definitely need to move Long outside but only if we have a decent replacement. Doesn't have to be a superstar, but OG needs to be solid
I think we can find one starting guard among Leno, Ola, and Ducasse. The question is whether we significantly downgrade two positions moving Long outside.
If the Bears can run as well as they did at Indy, having a big wr in the red zone may be a moot point. won't need them. I freely admit to being ancient, but I love that type of football. Run it, smash it, score it.
I didn't see a solid run game when the Bears were going against the Colts front liners. Now some might say it's because Forte was in there and he's not a strong inside runner....yada..yada...yada, but I saw Forte get hit a couple of times behind the LOS where he had no chance to escape.
If teams know you don' have a threat outside in the red zone they'll just load the box and take away the run.
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Also- watched the highlights on NFL network after the game and they only showed 2- The TY Hilton catch and the Luck TD. Go figure. The Bears not mentioned once. They are flying under the radar indeed.....
Go Bears !
I thought for sure they would show Cutler getting "Charlie Brown'd" at the goal line. The media loves to pile on him
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The evolution from game one to game two was evident. This year may not be a good one but I have a lot of confidence that the Bears are headed in the right direction.
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I was at the game and stayed until the start of the 4th quarter. I don't want to get overly excited, but... the defense was putting a lot of pressure on Luck. I think we are going to see a much better defense. The penalties on offense took away a solid performance by the offense.
Langford looked great and ran with confidence. Watching how Denver ran last year, I think you will see the carries more spread around than the handful of carries that the backups used to get. I left the game with a glimmer of optimism. But those first 3 games are going to be a grind. If we could win one of those...
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We could easily go 4-0 in the preseason and start out 0-4 in the Reg season. Preseason really doesn't tell me much except Bears starters are going to have a hard time scoring and the second team can score on their second team. Still think Luck would have killed us had it been a reg season game.
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Not with that offensive line of Luck's.
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This week's replay on NFLN is at 3AM EST... zzzzzzzzz
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And isn't that Monday morning? And 2am CST.
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Yep - Monday morning...
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Ok, so has anybody found any obscure websites that stream the game live? Oh yeah, for free.
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wiziwigto..
You have to fight advertisements, but once you get rid of 'em, it's not too bad. note the "to" at the end of wiziwig. The old wiziwig site got shut down..
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Looks like it's:
wiziwig.to
thanks
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Do you guys Chromecast it to your TV's then??
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I cheesed out and forked out for the gamepass (had it last year and renewal was like $69). It worked well last year and so far through 2 preseason games its worked well (although there were some complaining about last week being jerky)....
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Do you guys Chromecast it to your TV's then??
I just watch on my laptop, I think it's a 17 incher. I could plug it in to my TV through the HDMI. Heck, I'm just happy to watch the game and not have to pay for it..
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I will warn, it's a bit tricky getting rid of the advertisements..
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This game should be a hoot..... Cincy embarassed last week and the Bears still feeling their way....
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thanks for the wiziwig tip.
pretty poor screen resolution though
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That's a TD. So far we're seeing a preview of what we're gonna see all year....Cut throwing into the dirt, again, and the D giving up TD's....oh the joy of being a long suffering Bears fan....
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Look at the bright side...uhh...no injuries?
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The Bears are going to make a lot of teams look sharp this year...
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This season is going to be something else to be sure... without blitzing there is no pressure.....
My router died about the time the challenge was issued- when I got back they were kicking the FG....
Kind of like what I think the season is shaping up like :D
Oh it was a TD... go figure and Ratliff hurt ? par the norm I guess :D
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Here comes a three and out....
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A first down!!
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We were a few inches away from a 4 down defensive line stand. Gotta say if we would have stopped them would have been a lot more optimism in here. That all being said our D let them all the way down the field.
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Dalton made the plays when things broke down..... So it appears the scheme is solid at least, just got to get guys to respond to the unknown better....
I expect more offensive drives like the current one- lots of running, an offensive penalty or two, then maybe a good play here and there....
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There's really not much to hang a hat on on this team anymore. Used to have Briggs and Urlacher, now we've got McClellin and a guy from the Ravens they let go. Used to have Peanut, now we have the Fuller brush man. Had Marshall, now we've got a gimpy Alshon, a DOA White and a whole bunch of fill ins. There really are no true 'impact' players. Forte is on his way down, maybe Martellus and not a blip on D....
oh, and nice toss in the dirt, again, by Cut lol....guess it's better than throwing it to the D...still a lost down, though...
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Fuller has not looked good
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Did someone make a play?? Really??
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Forte and the line really not impressive....
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aaaaand a sack.....long year....long....
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The gamepass sync between the radio broadcast and the game is better this week (they are almost 1:1 so far- last week the radio was like 10 secs before the play) :D
Dalton out (TD sneak cost him- good sign there)...
But Goldman is out- with Ratliff out its going to be tough sledding in the middle of the D... :(
Leno is also a disaster... :(
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It is nice to see a competent coach walking the sidelines for once, but boy....he sure don't have much to work with with this team.....
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"Understate and overachieve !"
This will be the meme this season....
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Leno has to go! I'm not sure I like these formations either.
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Is there much here TO like? I sure ain't seeing it....long long year....love Porter's vertical. Think I could jump higher....
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sigh.....Rodgers is going to absolutely kill us opening day....
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If the D can make Rodgers go out with a concussion after a TD QB sneak then I'm all for it :D
Unfortunately it will be like 38-10 at that point......
All we can expect is growth....
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None of this is any surprise. Still isn't easy to watch it..... now let's see if Cut can throw a int to give us the warm fuzzy memories from last season all over again....
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Thought McPhee was held on the TD play where he was hurt....
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McPhee looked like he got hurt on that TD play after he hit the QB.
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Guess the int will have to wait. Got the dropped ball scenario from last season to finish first.....and would not surprise me if McPhee is injured. We've lost White, Alshon is gimpy, HIS replacement is hurt, Ratliff was suspended and now has a ankle injury, Goldman his replacement is out so yea...guess it's McPhees turn...he's probably next in level of talent to go out. Fun.....
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Leno is a disaster in waiting....
Without starting WR (the case for the Bears pre-2002 or so) the O is dead in the water....
Now the kicking team is getting penalties.....
Not to panic but so far not looking good at all....
Now punt is bad... wow.....
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Leave it to the Bears D to make AJ McCarron look like Rodgers......
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Do I hear TOOT TOOT? Yep, there it is....
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/4476932/clown-car-o.gif)
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McClellin got stone walled on the long run.
Bears rush defense resembling last year.
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Pathetic 1st half by Bears......
Not what you want to see in the 3rd Preseason game but it IS the 3rd preseason game after all.....
Beat like a drum... lets see how they respond (lay there and take it like the last few years or fight back)...
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QBs 12 for 12 vs defense.......
Mills a disaster at tackle....
Something's gotta give.....
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Vereen tackles air.
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This 2 min drive should be fun to watch.....
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The Bears bad trifecta would be Jay turning the ball over (even it its a batted or off a Leno wiff block)....
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Gonna miss hearing Buffone yelling about the crap play after the games this year....
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Well no boom goes the dynamite moment with Jay so there is that....
Leno is SOOOOOO BAD..... (Not sure Mills would be any better).....
I still think with the play if they had all their recievers it would be 14-21 instead of 3-21 or something like that ....
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Bears with 3. Nice drive. Bengals feasting on the right side getting Cutler killed on that last pass. Marty de facto number 1 receiver. Mariani nice catch after getting crushed near the sideline.
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Blocking in the return game has improved from last year. Pass the kool aid.
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I wonder if J'Macrus whatshisname is available - Leno should be cut.
But the rest of the line isn't doing well either. Jay has no time to make a throw down field - Martellus for 5 yards...that's about it.
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It seems other than the useless "Jay" Leno's penalties they have consistently gotten less from week to week (although the ST penalties (hands to the face and facemask) were pretty stupid.....
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The line looks horrendous....can't pass block, can't run block. The ends are swinging doors and they're even getting pressure up the middle. That push on Slauson was terrible...has he lost a huge step? Terrible terrible play, and then, the D.....where to start.....
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Best thing for Leno and the Bears is to cut him immediately-
1. The Bears shed a player who is BAD...
2. Leno might take the fact that he sucks and actually turn his career around....
Kind of a win.. win :D
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We need TWO OTs, both sides. Bushrod is hurt or something. Leno is awful. It is very apparent the WRs out there have zero trust by good ole Jay. On D, love the play of that difference maker Shea. Just shoot me. And Goldman hurt, Ratliff out, I was happy to see Sutton, the man with no position make plays. CBs Ball and Porter and Jennings were taking turns sucking.
I would say we are at least a full TWO years away from the playoffs. I can very easily see us in last place in the NFC North, and with a top 5 pick. It is going to be a long, I don't care, year. I hate that.
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Boy I dunno...this may be more than a two year redo....this is appearing more like a complete remake ground up.... we don't need just a few impact players, we need a whole bus... very disheartening.
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Yeah major suckage for sure.
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Oh and I forgot to mention the stellar play of Brock Vereen. Sigh.
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"The half ended better than it begun" - John Fox....
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Bears finally make the Bengals miss a pass.. something like 15 or 16 or some ridiculous thing.....
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1st string O vs. 2nd string Cincy D still fails...... gag....
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Who had the 10 yard penalty? Announcers yapping about Jay using Twitter...the homer announcers suck as bad as the Bears.
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Listening to the radio broadcast while watching the game...
Reported that Kyle Long is pissed on the sidelines......
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Even though it's against a 2nd string line, it looks like Houston and Young are relatively healthy.
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Well if nothing else Gase has turned Cutler into a Trent Dilfer (game manager) :D
Its PICKLES time in the game....
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Long is pissed, huh.... well, he better get used to it....
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You don't cut Willie Young - he's back.
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Bears 1st string failed tonite on both sides.....
Jordan Mills with the 2nd string is almost as bad as Leno...
Expect to see Pickles by mid season unless something good happens......
Bad performance in 3rd preseason game, but it is 3rd preseason after all....
"The half ended better than it begun" - John Fox after halftime and probably the saying for the Bears this year...
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You want a good performance in the one preseason game where the starters play the longest, not a flop like tonight...does not bode well for the season at all. I don't see anything to hang a hat on....
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Who's tired of seeing our ends neatly escorted out of the play by their tackles? There's got to be a better way to play this thing than simply to run around the end and make no plays or have a impact.....double team their tackle and push him into the QB?? Something....
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I think the Bears offense will be better with Jefferies, Royal, and maybe Wilson, but I don't what they are going to do about RT.
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Going to be an interesting season hopefully. Tonights game good wake up call before real game starts.
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Yea because all the 'wake up' games we had last season turned things around, lol......something tells me they won't wake up....
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Watching the Bengals announcers and players laughing during interviews is particularly galling (although this is normal as it is preseason)....
Bad ball thy name is Bears (at least for awhile)......
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I actually don't mind Clausen. He seems to keep his eyes downfield and finds the receiver, even when under pressure.
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First receiver, nope...second receiver, nope....third, nope, throw it into the dirt. Don't like it. Just a throw away play. Not one person is open!?? Or coming open? Just three quick reads and a dirt ball.....
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Is that pathetic horrid stat really true, 5 trips to the playoffs in the last 23 yrs?? Wow, total suckage....we suck.....capital S.....sheesh.
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Tried to go over the top my arse! He lowered his shoulder for the kill! Clausens hurt....
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Wind knocked out of him? A hit to the head by a shoulder knocks the wind out? Miller is being stupid now....
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It was kinda a kill shot... expect no referee calls to go the Bears way this year....
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Or as a friend just emailed me:
The score was not a good indicator of how close the game was (e.g. not at all)..... :D
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Jordan Mills and Dante Rosario can clean out their lockers right now. Pace should go full bore into rebuild mode. I would keep Young, and actually Houston made a couple of plays. I still like that Timu guy, although he didn't do much tonight. And the CB Mitchell, like him too. Otherwise we have a huge pile of suck.
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^ Agree!
WTF? How about Leno... I'm surprised it wasn't 40-10. I sense a long season..
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We are definitely a sub .500 team without our WR's. plus we have some OL and S/CB issues. I am not sure our coaching staff has the LBer's figured out as well. I think we have 4 starters, I don't think they are the same four as the coaches.
The good news for me is we have more DL than I thought heading into the season. Ratliff got hurt last night, so his suspension is kinda working out in a way.
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Anyone else notice that the rook WR Meredith, who seemed to catch everything in his zip code the first two games didn't get anything yesterday? I don't know if they are hoping to stash him on the PS or what, but when your top WRs are down, and could be for a good while, give the kid a chance.
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Nicely said Hub:
Well, that didn’t go very well.
What we learned in the all-important third exhibition game against the Bengals is that the Bears aren’t a very good football team right now.
It is worth noting the Bengals are coming off four consecutive playoff appearances and certainly posed a formidable hurdle for the Bears, so I’m stopping short of calling the Bears flat-out bad, but the fact is, best-case, they are in trouble with precious little time to find answers before the Packers come to town Sept. 13.
Ironically, if I had to find one guy on offense who played well in Cincinnati, it would be Jay Cutler. The embattled quarterback continues to do everything you want him to in Adam Gase’s new offense. He’s protecting the football, showing his athleticism out of the pocket and making nice throws on the rare occasions one of his backup receivers comes open.
Expecting Cutler to do more without his top four targets and with a swinging gate at right tackle just isn’t reasonable.
Before we look to the right, I think it’s time to ask: Just how healthy or limited is Jermon Bushrod? He wasn’t the worst player on the field, but he also clearly isn’t himself.
Rewind the tape a few times and you’ll see moments when he just looks awkward, struggling to move the way a guy with a bad back does.
As far as the right tackle spot, let’s all hope general manager Ryan Pace will have a quick trigger finger as veterans hit the waiver wire, because there were moments in the Bengals game when Charles Leno made us yearn for Jordan Mills — until Mills showed us more of his best bullfighter moves later in the game.
I do think we learned that Rashad Lawrence is either the third or fourth best receiver on the roster right now, depending on how you rank him against Josh Bellamy, and he should make the team. If you view it objectively, Lawrence has shown more in a Bears uniform than Marquess Wilson has in two-plus seasons.
I also expect that based on special teams, Senorise Perry is now ahead of Ka’Deem Carey for a likely fourth running back spot on the roster.
On defense, the most encouraging thing I saw all night was Vic Fangio sending Mason Foster and Jon Bostic out with the first unit to start the second half with the No. 1's because Shea McClellin and Christian Jones were awful in the first. There has been a perception throughout camp that McClellin and Jones have earned those spots, but the reality is they were just given to them because they are perceived as the best options.
Jones is a great-looking prospect but appeared completely lost against the Bengals. McClellin keeps getting credit for looking comfortable and learning the position, but the reality is he has shown no signs he is physical enough to play the position or can make plays less than 5 or 10 yards downfield.
It’s time to give Foster and Bostic some fraction of the chances McClellin and Jones have enjoyed.
Another puzzle I can’t begin to solve is why Tim Jennings would be the sixth cornerback off the bench behind Kyle Fuller, Alan Ball, Terrance Mitchell, Sherrick McManis and Tracy Porter?
You can argue that Mitchell and McManis are the two best corners on the team right now, and I get that Fuller will be one starter and should be inspite of his underwhelming performances to date. But how Jennings has gotten so deep in Fangio’s doghouse is a mystery.
It is too early to panic or just give up on the 2015 season. But it is also too late to make significant upgrades to the talent on the roster for this season.
To date, we have relied on the premise that the Bears will be better this year because the coaching is vastly improved and the talent is at the least no worse. After the embarrassment against the Bengals, we have to wonder if we’re right about the talent.
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But how Jennings has gotten so deep in Fangio’s doghouse is a mystery.
I guess he didn't watch last night. Jennings is half the player he was a couple of years ago..
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I want a fair fight ... that means 4 WR's as starters.
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Hard to argue with anything Hub says...McClellan will get a lot of tackles. May even lead the team but I agree with this comment:
McClellin keeps getting credit for looking comfortable and learning the position, but the reality is he has shown no signs he is physical enough to play the position or can make plays less than 5 or 10 yards downfield.
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Thursday's game against Browns will be televised on NFLN Saturday at 1 PM EST - if anyone cares about preseason game #4
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I don't know what Shea weighed his rookie year. But he seemed bigger and faster. He needs to get back on whatever he was taking back then. He seems smaller and slower these days, not a good combo.
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His problem is he gained weight to play DE, then dropped all the weight and did the super body builder muscle up thing. And he is now how many years older???
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Bring on the regular season..... glutton for punishment....
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As a Bear fan you've gotta have a little streak of masochism running through you.... its only natural :D
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Well my Fox station has the game tonight at 8 pm ET
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Streaming games through gamepass atm.... works well with 2 but 3 or more it is not as well with my crappy internet connetion....
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I kind of like that fat nose tackle number 60. A big guy, gets some push and he keeps after the play. We need some beef in the middle.
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David "Fails" Fales living up to his name so far......
Seriously, if he has to be backup QB Pace isn't even trying to find a capable backup...
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So are they not letting Fales throw a pass to a WR? Sad. Can you end a game with a 0-0 tie??
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Can't really tell a lot from the final preseason game but a few potential starters are playing on D (Willie Young for one) and not looking too good.....
The Browns should throw the ball early and often- the Bears secondary hasn't stopped one pass yet....
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Langford looks like he is going to be a good player for us.
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Mariani has been a nice surprise as well. Love him on special teams. If he can help at Wr until we get everyone back even better.
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FWIW feelings on 1st half:
1. Bears run D should be better. Pass D same as last year (e.g. not too good).
2. Appear they will run the ball a lot (not a bad thing) and have some good backs behind Forte.
3. Special Teams are no longer a dumpster fire (thank GOD !).
4. This team this year will be in Fox's words (from 2 weeks ago) at the half of the season ""The half ended better than it begun"
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Can't see the game, are you guys commenting about Bear starters or the fringe players
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Fringe players (although Houston and Young were in the game)...
Hope I didn't jinx the special teams- Gould missed a chip shot FG at the end of the half that should've been a gimme....
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I want Timu on the team.
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I wonder how much the qb from the Broncos is going to get to play, maybe the 4th quarter....
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Oh yes on Timu. He is a keeper
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Timu looks like a keeper.. as does Mariani....
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It was a 43 yd FG that he missed. Make able for sure but not a chip shot.
Starters have not played at all except for the starters who need work or shouldn't be starters.
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They need to sit Mariani from here on out. We do not want him getting hurt playing receiver in a meaningless game. We need him as a returner when the games count.
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Yeah he won't make us forget Hester (who could ?) but he's decent in the return game...
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Its going to be interesting to see who plays QB in the 2nd half
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Its always the saddest quarter of the preseason as some folks are playing their LAST NFL down...
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I really like our special teams. Much improved from last year as is the back half of our roster.
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Love #60 Terry Williams. We are going to need him until Ratliff gets back.
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Sad to see Dwayne Bowe playing for his career in the 2nd of of the 4th preseason game (not really too sad- he made some good $ but he was a talent at one time)...
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Nice end zone catch #85
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David "Fails" Fales performing the anti-Fail since a bad 1st quarter. Good to see...
Seeing Cutler engaged in the 4th preseason game is good to see.....
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It wasn't a great football game but it was enjoyable. I think there were players who made a case for a roster spot even if it doesn't happen in Chicago
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24-0 Bears!
I will take it.
I wish our starters could play with the same fire as our backups.
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I liked Timu, Anderson and Mitchell and Williams and even Corny Washington. I thought even Fabubuluje (or however its spelled) looked like a practice squad player. A lot of players got some development time tonight
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Now let's see what they do when it matters.....not impressed with beating up second and third stringers....
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I wonder if Jimmy My Head Hurts Clausen is worried after Fales performance last night. I like the way he was making passes on the run.
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I didn't see the game...yet, but encouraged by the comments on Terry Williams. He's had a trouble past and is maybe too short and too wide to get drafted, but for a guy of his stature he's shown that he knows how to rush the passer. With Ratliff suspended another roster spots opens up for 4 games. It would be great for the Bears if that roster spot went to Williams.
I really didn't see much of Timu in the 2 games I watched but I don't see how he makes the roster given our depth - PS sounds like an option.
I've been keeping my eye on Washington for his first 2 years. He's a demon on STs but for someone with his athletic talents he just hasn't shown that he's got it at 4-3 DE. Right now it looks like he's in a battle with Brandon Dunne for the last DE spot and Dunne has the edge.
As for Mitchell, he's going to make the team - I would bet he'll be starting at sometime this season.
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Honestly at his point I would rather let Ratliff go and keep a guy like Williams around. I'm not saying tank the season or anything but let's continue to get younger. I am also surprised that Jared Allen is still here. I expect there are cap implications as to why they kept him.
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Ratliff brings a veteran presence (as well as experience with the 3-4) and he's still playing at a high level. As for Allen, I don't know the cap situation but if he has another blah season like last year I think he could very well be cut. But someone has to show they can take his job.
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Warm bodies....experienced, warm bodies...that's about what we can expect this season....
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I think your eye needs to be on the future of each player rather than this year, or short range.
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Well you don't want to field half a team of PS players either and tank the season. NFL coaches are held responsible to win as many games as possible each season while at the same developing talent for the future.
Eventually guys like Ratliff, Will Montgomery, Jared Allen, Antrel Rolle, Alan Ball and Tracy Porter will get replaced but right now they are the best we got.
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Some of which there isn't too much good to say about them.
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Well you don't want to field half a team of PS players either and tank the season. NFL coaches are held responsible to win as many games as possible each season while at the same developing talent for the future.
Eventually guys like Ratliff, Will Montgomery, Jared Allen, Antrel Rolle, Alan Ball and Tracy Porter will get replaced but right now they are the best we got.
That's a good point. In order to enjoy the game more, though, it's important to get some satisfaction from watching the young players grow and improve in a rebuilding team.
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In order to enjoy the game more, it's important to...beat the other team.
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TODAYS GAME 2014 ???
No wonder we motherfuckers are out of it at the beginning.
We don't even know what YEAR it is.