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Title: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 01, 2015, 03:53:35 pm
Discuss the top prospects in this year's draft...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: chgojhawk on April 01, 2015, 04:14:05 pm
My HS Freshman son pitched part of a combined shutout yesterday in his opener.  He isn't draft eligible yet but with his 5'8 130 LB frame and 72 mph fastball we are thinking of having him go the Bryce Harper route and skip his last 3 years of HS so that he might be ready for the draft next year.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on April 01, 2015, 04:21:08 pm
You should consider moving to the Dominican Republic.  That would allow him to sign this year.

I assume the Dominican Republic allows illegal aliens.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: ben on April 01, 2015, 08:41:11 pm
chgojhawk, congratulations to your son and his team (and you)!

72 sounds like pretty solid heat for a freshman lad your son's size (which is pretty decent size for a frosh). 

Hope he's having the time of his life basking in the glory of that combined shutout!

I suspect you won't forget it any time soon either.  :)
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: chgojhawk on April 01, 2015, 11:29:47 pm
It's all good fun.  5'8 actually makes him one of the smaller kids.  130 makes him Juan Cruz like.  He is one of the harder throwers but he is losing his love of the game. I am guessing he will retire after this season. He really loves football and is upset that he isn't able to lift for football during the baseball season. We will see how it all plays out.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: ben on April 02, 2015, 07:36:58 am
Youth and high school sports should be about "good fun," chgojhawks.  Sounds as though your son has already figured that out.  When kids pursue their passion, they tend to prosper.

And I'll certainly hope your son gets to pitch in more shutout victories for his team this season.  That will be much fun for him, too!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 02, 2015, 09:02:37 am
Heh...good fun...lol...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on April 02, 2015, 05:57:13 pm
It's all good fun.  5'8 actually makes him one of the smaller kids.  130 makes him Juan Cruz like.  He is one of the harder throwers but he is losing his love of the game. I am guessing he will retire after this season. He really loves football and is upset that he isn't able to lift for football during the baseball season. We will see how it all plays out.

5'8 and 130, and he is one of the smaller kids on the football team.... so he wants to play football.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: chgojhawk on April 02, 2015, 07:19:25 pm
We aren't known for our brains.  He is likely to fill out like his older brother as he loves to lift!!  And.....he is mean as a snake on the football field.  The boy has no fear (which doesn't add to the brainpower).
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 06, 2015, 02:43:46 pm
Here is a draft preview from Kevin Gallo for Cubs Den.  He was a scout for the Indians last year and quit due to family reasons.  Bryant's draft year, Gallo was hyping him early and often.

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2015/04/2015-mlb-draft-kevin-gallo-on-pitchers-who-may-be-available-for-the-cubs/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 08, 2015, 06:39:06 pm
http://throughthefencebaseball.com/2015-mlb-draft-mock-2-0/45225

In a far to early mock draft Dan Kirby has the Cubs taking Ashe Russell HS RHP from Indiana.  He hits 96, with good command and a potential plus slider.   

Mike Kikorack, RHP HS pitcher from Pennislyvania is going in the 20's in this draft, but was mentioned in the previous link as a possible top 10 guy.  He hits 97 with good command and coming from a cold weather state and playing football might have less wear and tear on his arm.

The college bats outside of Swanson are disappointing.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on April 08, 2015, 08:29:46 pm
Thanks for posting that mock CBJ.  Hadn't seen that.

I saw Ian Happ at the Cape last summer one game, who is mentioned in the Cubs summary and goes #11 in this mock.  DHed that game, so didn't see him in field.  Has a very nice stroke from the left side--didn't see him hit from right side. Played on same club as Skye Bolt.  Without a clear position, kind of doubt that Cubs would take Happ but if they love his bat, who knows.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: vander-built on April 09, 2015, 08:18:34 pm
Carson Fulmer is dealing tonight.  If he could finish the season like this Id love for the Cubs to take him.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: vander-built on April 09, 2015, 08:53:42 pm
Fulmers line was 9-2-0-0-14
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 09, 2015, 09:11:19 pm
Fulmer' delivery is so messy.  He is always going to struggle with command and their is a lot of effort in his delivery.  Th stuff is electric though. 

Has the guy that started last for Vanderbilt year and got a case of the yips pitched much?



Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: vander-built on April 09, 2015, 09:20:19 pm
Ferguson? He took an extended period of time off but has given an inning I think twice now in midweek games without control issues.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 09, 2015, 09:47:54 pm
Ole Miss is down. They need to do a better job recruiting.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on April 09, 2015, 10:22:15 pm
UTs in the same boat.

They did win tonight though.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 09, 2015, 10:26:26 pm
UT should work on their relationship with Farragut. That alone would help them quite a bit.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 09, 2015, 10:47:11 pm
Ferguson? He took an extended period of time off but has given an inning I think twice now in midweek games without control issues.

I think it was Ferguson. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on April 09, 2015, 11:32:59 pm
You're exactly right Dave.

Delmonico had a Farragut connection and his son Nick even went there.

We also have Walters State community college close by and they have more players drafted than UT every year and are usually a top 5 juco program every year.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on April 10, 2015, 09:05:18 am
Walters is on a 27 game winning streak right now. They are a machine.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on April 16, 2015, 01:53:11 pm
Keith Law put up a top 50 draft prospect list a few days ago:

Three SSs top his list (B. Rodgers, Kevin Newman (AZ), and Swanson, in order.

Dillon Tate is #4 and top pitcher.

Allard #5.

Ian Happ #6. 

7. Bregman  8. W. Buehler  9. Funkhauser  10. Nikorak

Law not a big fan of Nate Kirby--has him at #19. 

Matuella at #15 and Aiken at #25. Guess there is worry that Aiken's TJS a bit different than other TJS guys. 

Daz Cameron at #11.

Ian Happ has started the season (157 PAs) at 397-519-719, 10 homers, with 33 walks (and 31 Ks). So, appears he's moving up the boards.  Given Cubs' interest in position players in first round, wonder if Happ might be serious consideration for Cubs, if he lasts to #9.  Law says he has a chance to stay at 2B as a passable defensive 2B but wonder if Cubs might be okay with drafting him as a LFer, depending on progress Bryant and Schwarber make defensively at their positions.  Know more about that by early June?  In any case, Happ is a switch-hitter with very good hit tool.  Yeah, Cubs probably nab an upside pitcher but if they really like an advanced college bat, who knows.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on April 16, 2015, 02:10:51 pm
I want that Matt Carpenter/Mark Grace type hitter.  The guy who may not be as productive overall as some of your other hitters, but whose performance is less likely to be diminished by facing top pitching as some others.

Game 7 of the World Series.  Eighth inning.  Game tied.  Runner in scoring position.  You need a single against MLB's most dominant late-inning reliever.  We need a guy with that top end hand-eye coordination.  A guy with no fear of hitting with two strikes.  A left handed hitter, if you please.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on April 16, 2015, 02:31:13 pm
LaSTELLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 16, 2015, 05:21:20 pm
Keith Law put up a top 50 draft prospect list a few days ago:

Three SSs top his list (B. Rodgers, Kevin Newman (AZ), and Swanson, in order.

Dillon Tate is #4 and top pitcher.

Allard #5.

Ian Happ #6. 

7. Bregman  8. W. Buehler 9. Funkhauser  10. Nikorak

Law not a big fan of Nate Kirby--has him at #19. 

Matuella at #15 and Aiken at #25. Guess there is worry that Aiken's TJS a bit different than other TJS guys. 

Daz Cameron at #11.

Ian Happ has started the season (157 PAs) at 397-519-719, 10 homers, with 33 walks (and 31 Ks). So, appears he's moving up the boards.  Given Cubs' interest in position players in first round, wonder if Happ might be serious consideration for Cubs, if he lasts to #9.  Law says he has a chance to stay at 2B as a passable defensive 2B but wonder if Cubs might be okay with drafting him as a LFer, depending on progress Bryant and Schwarber make defensively at their positions.  Know more about that by early June?  In any case, Happ is a switch-hitter with very good hit tool.  Yeah, Cubs probably nab an upside pitcher but if they really like an advanced college bat, who knows.

Kyle Funkhouser (SP - Louisville) would be the choice of the Cubs' marketing department.  He's a Chicago area kid (born & raised in Oak Forest and a grad of Oak Forest HS). They could also show some "Funkhouser" clips from Curb Your Enthusiasm on their new jumbotron in LF.  Maybe even have CYE's "Funkhouser" (Bob Einstein) throw out a 1st pitch or sing at the 7th inning stretch at a game.  Only drawback is Kyle Funkhouser is a big White Sox fan but they can downplay that just like they did with Jeff Samardzija.

http://www.gocards.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/kyle_funkhouser_837235.html (http://www.gocards.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/kyle_funkhouser_837235.html)

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on April 16, 2015, 09:48:38 pm
I want that Matt Carpenter/Mark Grace type hitter.  The guy who may not be as productive overall as some of your other hitters, but whose performance is less likely to be diminished by facing top pitching as some others.

Game 7 of the World Series.  Eighth inning.  Game tied.  Runner in scoring position.  You need a single against MLB's most dominant late-inning reliever.  We need a guy with that top end hand-eye coordination.  A guy with no fear of hitting with two strikes.  A left handed hitter, if you please.

Preach it!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 17, 2015, 10:11:45 pm
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-mlb-draft-rankings-april-edition/

Here is McDaniel's latest on the draft.  A whole bunch of suck.  Happ sounds interesting if he'd make it to #9.  I like Asche Russell too.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on April 17, 2015, 10:42:17 pm
I'd draft Asche Russell just for his name.

He sounds like a cool spy.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on April 18, 2015, 11:12:14 am
But it can't match Skye Bolt.  A must pick at number 9.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on April 22, 2015, 08:09:58 pm
UVA pitcher Nathan Kirby likely out for remainder of season with lat strain.  Probably was not a #9 pick candidate for Cubs but wonder if he might now be there in second round given his mixed season up to now.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 22, 2015, 09:26:15 pm
I doubt it, nothing is structurally wrong with his arm it is a strained lat.  He is a lefty with plus stuff when healthy and questionable command.  If you fix his I'm going to take a poop Virgina mechanics his command and velocity might improve.  Somebody will take him with a first round pick or a supplemental pick.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on April 22, 2015, 09:51:14 pm
I doubt it, nothing is structurally wrong with his arm it is a strained lat.  He is a lefty with plus stuff when healthy and questionable command.  If you fix his I'm going to take a poop Virgina mechanics his command and velocity might improve.  Somebody will take him with a first round pick or a supplemental pick.

Yeah, probably, but his draft projection has been dropping before the injury (Law and McDaniel have him at #16 and 19 pre-injury) ----and his bonus demands possibly could drop him a lot more. Seems like the kind of pitcher about whom there will be a wide range of opinion among organizations. Yeah, probably goes in sandwich round but could drop as final impressions from this season were disappointing.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 22, 2015, 10:16:50 pm
He was dropping because his velocity dropped and people thought he was hurt.  He was and since it isn't serious I doubt he drops far unless he wants top 10 money.  If his command wasn't so bad he be an interesting guy for the Cubs.  He still might be depending on how much of his command problems you think is do to his Virgina mechanics.  How places like TCU (abuses pitchers) and Virgina (stupid mechanics) get guys with MLB potential to go there is beyond me.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on April 22, 2015, 11:00:49 pm
Saw Kirby on the tube last year in the super regional matched up against Stinnett when UVA played Maryland in the tournament.  Thought Stinnett has better mound demeanor but Kirby certainly looks the part as a big league type pitcher.  Yeah, needs to improve command.  Watching him last year, never thought there was any chance at all Kirby could drop out of first round the next year.  Maybe he won't drop but perhaps he could be rare junior who is better off returning for senior season and, therefore, wonder if he may demand at least mid first round money wherever he is drafted.  So, could go to club later in draft who underslots a top pick. Unlikely scenario but possible.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on April 28, 2015, 02:33:08 am
mlb.com (Callis and Mayo) has an updated draft rankings listing. 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=draft
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on April 28, 2015, 03:12:58 am
Lot of pitchers amongst the top-15.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 28, 2015, 09:51:58 am
Theo was at a game for Trenton Clark the #13 prospect.

For non-pitchers I like the sounds of Tucker, Happ, Clark.   

For pitchers Nikorak, Russell, Allard, Aiken, Matuella are all interesting.  Tyler Jay is a short lefty that has the potential 3 plus pitches, but has mostly been a reliever at Illinois.  Some think he could start and he'd be interesting as well.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on April 28, 2015, 11:35:23 am
I would be very surprised if they took a pitcher in the first round.

I think they'll stick with the "hitter first, then load up on pitchers after that" strategy they've used up in recent years.

It seems to be working.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 28, 2015, 11:37:15 am
Pretty sure they'll take who they think is the best player, even if it is a pitcher that will break your heart with injuries.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on April 28, 2015, 11:39:09 am
Pretty sure they'll take who they think is the best player, even if it is a pitcher that will break your heart with injuries.

And I think they believe hitters are better players, or at least better investments in the first round.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 28, 2015, 11:46:00 am
If the Astros took Bryant at #1 do you think the Cubs would have taken Appel or Gray or dropped down to another hitter?

If Aiken and Schwarber could have been picked last year who do you think the pick would have been?

I personally think the Cubs were very lucky the draft fell the way it did for them and they ended up with hitters. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on April 28, 2015, 11:55:49 am
I think they would have taken hitters in each of the scenarios.

There was talk about the Cubs drafting Michael Conforto last year before they picked Schwarber.

The Theocracy have openly talked about picking hitters early in the draft and then focusing on pitchers later as a strategy because hitters simply have fewer injury concerns and move more quickly thru the minors.

When they picked Bryant, I wanted them to pick Jonathan Grey because of the lack of high ceiling starters in the system.  It looks like I was wrong.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 28, 2015, 12:16:31 pm
In Bryant's draft year Clint Frazier was the next hitter off the board.  Last year he had a .760 OPS in low A with a K% of 30%.  In 79 PA so far he has .644 OPS in high A.  Colin Moran, UNC,  was the next hitter picked.  He is repeating AA, with a .718 OPS so far.  Last year with a full year in AA he had a .741 OPS.

Aiken was number 1 on their board last year and the rumors where that Appel was #1 on their board over Bryant. 

I just want them to take, however they like the best and not take a lesser talent just because it is a hitter.  Hitter's fail and pitchers make it.  I'm sure the Dodgers are happy they took Kershaw and not Drew Stubbs, Billy Rowell, Tyler Colvin, Travis Snider, Chris Marrero, Matt Antonelli, Chris Parmelee, Maxwell Sapp, Cody Johnson, Hank Conger, Jason Place, Preston Mattingly, Emmanuel Burris, Kyler Burke or Chris Coghlan.  That is all of the hitters taken after Kershaw in the first round.  Linececum, Scherzer and Ian Kennedy where all picked after Kershaw as well.

That said at the top of that draft the Royals and Rockies took Hochevar and Greg Reynolds over Longoria.  Moral of the story, take who ever you think is best.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on April 28, 2015, 12:26:33 pm
Yeah, if the draft had played out differently in recent years, Cubs may have taken pitchers at top of the draft. Theo/Hoyer are too smart to decide they have to pick a certain type of guy---depends on the facts of each instance.

Possible a position player will just be the better pick again. Think they do look at certain traits, though none singly are dispositive.  If they're looking at Clark, doesn't hurt that he's a lefty bat who may be able to stay in CF.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on April 28, 2015, 02:00:19 pm
I personally think the Cubs were very lucky the draft fell the way it did for them and they ended up with hitters.

If you mean you think the Cubs were very lucky the front office is bright enough to avoid spending a high first round draft pick on a pitcher instead of a position player, unless the pitcher prospect is wildly better, because of the greater injury risk to the pitcher, I have to agree with you.  They are very lucky they are not foolish.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on April 29, 2015, 06:50:37 am
Callis looks at the top of the draft. Bad news is that it's seen as significantly weaker than last year's.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/120976524/jim-callis-brendan-rodgers-stands-out-but-top-draft-pick-isnt-settled
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 29, 2015, 07:48:02 am
The top end talent is weaker.  The depth of the draft is fine, especially high school arms.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on April 29, 2015, 09:01:33 am
Pretty sure they'll take who they think is the best player, even if it is a pitcher that will break your heart with injuries.

This is semantics.  BVA, best value, perhaps more accurate than BPA.  I think they'll pick the guy they project as the best value, and obviously risk factors in.  If they take a pitcher, I assume that will require that his projected value is superior enough to justify the heightened risks. 

But, picking at #9 is a very different risk analysis from picking 2 and 4 the last two years.  With Bryant and Schwarber, I think they had scouted those guys well enough to be very confident that they'd hit.  The risk that they wouldn't hit was low. 

But at #9, there will perhaps be significant risk that hitters won't hit.  Kyle Tucker, Nick Plummer, Daz Cameron, Trenton Clark, Garrett Whitley, these are some nice prospects and perhaps will hit very well.  But the risk differential between the hitters who'll be there at #9 versus the pitchers may not be that substantial.  The injury-to-pitcher risk may really not be that much more problematic than the risk that the hitters won't hit. 

That's partly where Ian Happ, Swanson, and Bregman fit.  Presumably Swanson and Bregman will be gone, but who knows?  But Happ seems like he might profile as a pretty low-risk guy.  And, he's young for his class, he won't turn 21 till the end of the minor league season.  Cubs will scout, obviously.  But from the scouting reports, he seems like the kind of guy the Cubs might like:  a good hitter who may not have any signature tools, but perhaps is pretty good at everything. 

Who knows, I don't think at this point last year there were a lot of us seriously thinking Schwarber, and none of the draft guru's were including him in discussion for top-5.  But, the sub-slot signing really combined a guy they wanted with discretionary dollars.  Maybe the Cubs really like Kevin Newman, for example, and think he'll be a good though not great major leaguer; but can sign him for #25-slot money instead of #9 cash.  Maybe they'd then be able to sign a couple of million-dollar pitchers in rounds 2-4, like last year?  Get a safe low-risk pure hitter, and then spread the risk over three talented-but-risky HS pitchers instead of focusing all the risk on a single HS pitcher at #9? 

Who knows.  Should be fun. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 29, 2015, 09:32:45 am
I agree with Craig.  Thanks for not mentioning DJ Stewart, I might lose my mind.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on April 29, 2015, 01:26:03 pm
Honestly, I have no idea who most of those guys are because I've been paying attention to the Major League team this season.  This time last year, I was looking forward to the draft already.

ETA: Well, looking forward to the draft AND paying attention to the minors.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on April 29, 2015, 03:48:50 pm
Jason McLeod on the draft:

“So far it is kind of a wild card draft this year. We are picking nine and there have been a lot of injuries to some of the college pitchers that were all projected to go in the top half of the draft. So I think a lot of teams are weighing the injury factor and I think Brady Aiken is still a wild card to see where teams are going to slot him in. It doesn’t have as deep of a college position player group as we’ve seen in prior years. I think the high school class is strong overall, but with where we are picking there are just a lot of variables for us to consider. Last few years we’ve taken the college position player. I can’t sit here and say that type of guy is there right now for us. We are out there scouting. The boys are pounding the pavement and we’re confident in the process that we’re going to get the player that we like. It’s just, as a total draft year, it is probably down a little bit from prior years and I think a lot of it does have to do with some of the injuries to the pitchers.” “...I think you have to weigh the {TJ} risk certainly. I mean just draft history will tell you that high school pitching is a risk in and of itself as you guys know. I think now when you look at the injury, now you have to add that to risk factor so you’re weighing the risk versus the upside and what you think the impact potential could be of this player and you’ve got to take that into consideration when you make that decision. I think the Nationals are probably really happy they took [Lucas] Giolito when they knew he might have some arm issues. Funny thing actually I just saw him last week pitch against a Canadian team down in Florida and he was great. I think you have to … you always weighing that risk factor. If you think you can hit on a guy it’s kind of like a lottery ticket or sorts but it’s a risky lottery ticket.”
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on April 30, 2015, 02:44:57 pm
Callis/Mayo have a mock draft up for first 10 picks.  Each has Cubs taking a college pitcher.

Callis has Cubs taking Jon Harris; Mayo has Cubs taking Carson Fullmer.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/121103208/jim-callis-jonathan-mayo-project-top-10-picks-in-2015-draft
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 30, 2015, 03:13:54 pm
Fulmer is a guy I want to love.  His stuff is amazing.  The big red flag for me is the effort with his delivery and the lack of command it causes. 

Harris is from the same college as Pierce Johnson.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on April 30, 2015, 03:58:41 pm
Law addressed Fullmer in his chat today:

Q: Given that Carson Fulmer holds his stuff late into games and has, knock on wood, never had injury problems, is there a non-zero chance he can be a starter? It seems like sometimes there are just funky guys that it works for (Sale, Lincecum), so could you see a team in the top 15 take a chance on him thinking he can start?

Klaw  Two questions. Do I think he can start? Absolutely not. Incredibly violent, max-effort delivery that currently has him with 40 fastball command. Yes, he holds his stuff and hasn't been hurt, but he also pitches every seventh day, and Vandy handles their arms as well as any program in the country. Do I think someone will take him in the top 15? I'd give you even money on that.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on April 30, 2015, 04:09:31 pm
I watched a couple Vandy games when he was pitching.  His delivery made my left arm hurt.  He was also frustrating to watch, just zero clue where the ball was going. 

People want to compare him to Sonny Gray, but Gray's delivery is much smoother.  I really like Fulmer's pitches, it is just so much change is needed in his delivery (Vandy improved it from high school) that you just do not know how well he would adjust.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on April 30, 2015, 05:07:23 pm
Fullmer reminds me of a RH Billy Wagner. Not sure how he can be a long-term starter.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 01, 2015, 05:52:28 pm
Keep an eye out for Justin Hooper...big LHP from De La Salle in CA...UCLA commit. His stock is rising.

6'7, 230 with big velocity and promising secondary pitches...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 01, 2015, 07:25:51 pm
Hooper reminds me of Tyler Koleck.

Koleck stats in A ball so far

3.63 ERA, 3.57 FIP, 7.37 K/9, 3.63 BB/9
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 01, 2015, 07:31:28 pm
That slinging delivery screams command/control issues to me.

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/18765768/v37009203/draft-report-justin-hooper-hs-pitcher
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 01, 2015, 07:41:11 pm
Yeah he is going to have a lot of control/command issues.  I'd rather have a guy that throws 92-95 and can command it.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 04, 2015, 03:57:15 am
Keith Law with a piece that DBacks considering underslotting the #1 pick, such as HS catcher Tyler Stephenson, and reports on guys that other clubs may have a focus. 

Law says Cubs have an interest in HS outfielder Trenton Clark.

If we assume, for the moment, that Arizona takes {Tyler} Stephenson or Garrett Whitley or someone else similarly "off the board" for a significant discount with the first pick, here's what might happen afterward: The Astros pick second and fifth and will take Dansby Swanson with the first of those two picks; they're not as high on Brendan Rodgers, the top player on my board. The Rockies would like a pitcher at No. 3, which could be the spot for Dillon Tate to be taken. The Rangers at No. 4 have been linked to Walker Buehler, although I'm guessing they'd take Rodgers if he got that far.

The Astros want two position players with their two picks, and also seem to be particularly high on Daz Cameron, whose realistic range is 5 through about 15. The Twins, picking sixth, like Kolby Allard, and why wouldn't they? Several scouts and execs have told me the Red Sox wouldn't pass on Alex Bregman at 7, while the White Sox want a college arm at 8 and would have multiple options, including Kyle Funkhouser, Tyler Jay and maybe Nate Kirby. The Cubs (ninth pick) could be on Texas prep outfielder Trenton Clark, although various players have been named as possibilities there.

The Reds, drafting 11th, were also high on Tyler Stephenson on Friday and have shown strong interest; the last time they took a prep catcher in the first round, he ended up an All-Star (Devin Mesoraco). The Marlins (12th pick) have been strongly tied to Kyle Tucker, while later on in the draft, the Brewers (15th) are in on Tristan Beck. The Yankees (16) have been linked to Tennessee prep right-hander Donny Everett, while the Tigers, picking 22nd, are heavy on Stephenson and Jacob Nix. The Blue Jays, who lost their own first-round selection (for signing Russell Martin) but do have a compensation pick at 29 (for losing Melky Cabrera), are said to be targeting high school outfielder Eric Jenkins and prep right-handers Brady Singer and Justin Maese at 29 and 56.

Of course, most of this is just about general interest rather than definite intent, and if the Diamondbacks do something really wacky like, say, taking the best or second-best player on the board, that could throw the next half-dozen picks off.


Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 04, 2015, 06:01:46 am
Trenton Clark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE8lbZijjVs
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 04, 2015, 07:47:36 am
That's Austin Riley pitching to Clark in the 2nd AB, striking him out.

We lit him up in Atlanta earlier this spring.

He's a very good pitcher, but a better hitter.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 05, 2015, 03:22:01 pm
Comment From Baseball Fan
Any rumors about who the Cubs are targeting in the draft?

Kiley McDaniel: Tied to Daz Cameron and Kyle Tucker, among others
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on May 05, 2015, 03:49:07 pm
That's Austin Riley pitching to Clark in the 2nd AB, striking him out.

We lit him up in Atlanta earlier this spring.

He's a very good pitcher, but a better hitter.

Exactly how good is your boy to be playing with kids like this?

I aint hating.

I hope he plays for the Cubs one day.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on May 05, 2015, 03:51:11 pm
Truth is Ill probably be like Colby Rasmus's dad with my son.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 05, 2015, 04:29:35 pm
We have 12 seniors on our baseball team.

10 are playing ball at the next level...4 D1 and 6 D2. One is playing football at Memphis, and the other is going to be a student at Arkansas.

My son had several D2 offers, and several D1 schools were interested, but wanted him to go juco to prove his shoulder has recovered from his labrum surgery.

He started the season playing 2B, but the coaches moved him to 3B after 5 games or so. The shoulder is fine as long as he does band work before each game to loosen up.

He signed with D2 CBU here in Memphis back in the fall. Great school, loved the coaching staff and players (and incoming class), and wanted to stay close to home.

As far as his team, we played IMG Academy (think Brady Aiken) in that same tournament in Atlanta (at Perfect Game) and lost 4-2. 3 unearned in the 1st cost us...we actually outhit and outplayed them. I think they are #8 in the country right now. Austin Riley's team, Desoto Central is top 20 nationwide as well, and we shut them out with our #4 pitcher on the hill...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on May 05, 2015, 04:41:55 pm
Good to hear Dave.

I knew he was at CBU.

I think getting to coach and watch my son will be one of the highlights of my older years.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 05, 2015, 09:00:08 pm
MLB Pipeline (Callis and Mayo) have a new top 30 international signings ranking up now.

Cubs are favorites to land six of the 30: 

Yonathan Perlaza-9

Younathan Sierra Estiwal-13

Aramis Ademan- 16

Anderson Amarista-17 (co-favorite with WSox)

Miguel Amaya-23

Christoper Martinez-26

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=int
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 05, 2015, 11:28:50 pm
Maybe somebody posted this already, but Law's top 100 for the draft is out.  5 of first 6 are shortstops.  Aiken and Nix around 30.  That's nice.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 05, 2015, 11:38:15 pm
MLB Pipeline (Callis and Mayo) have a new top 30 international signings ranking up now.

Cubs are favorites to land six of the 30: 

Yonathan Perlaza-9

Younathan Sierra Estiwal-13

Aramis Ademan- 16

Anderson Amarista-17 (co-favorite with WSox)

Miguel Amaya-23

Christoper Martinez-26

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=int

Interesting that the Cubs could be losing another top signee to the White Sox on this list in Anderson Amarista.  Sierra is a new name since McDaniel's article being attached to the Cubs.  McDaniel listed him in the other category of someone that might get a million or less.  This year seems to be much more fluid than in the past. 

If Amarista did sign with the White Sox that would be 3 players this year that the Cubs were rumored to have deals with that fell through.  The other two would be Heredia (3) and Celestino ( 8 ).  Those 2 would have made that list a lot more interesting.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: shasson on May 06, 2015, 10:40:03 am
a list that includes guys named Yonathan Perlaza and Younathan Sierra Estiwal (which sounds like the name of a Barcelona-based dance club owner) is inherently interesting.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 07, 2015, 10:51:29 am
http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/top-100-draft-prospects/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 07, 2015, 04:40:26 pm
Kiley McDaniel with an interesting piece today regarding top of the draft, mostly about DBacks looking toward substantial savings via an underdraft of a guy who otherwise would not go in top 7.

Also, Keith Law with a chat today.  Law says Twins are focused on Kolby Allard at #6 and White Sox in on on Tyler Jay at #8.  Law also says that Mike Matuella is a possibility for Cubs at #9 if his medicals check out as routine TJ rehab.  Law basically reaffirms McDaniel's comments regarding top of the draft.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dbacks-plans-for-the-first-overall-pick-come-into-focus/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 07, 2015, 04:48:29 pm
Callis did a podcast where he talked about the DBacks as well.  Even if they went with the top talent like Rogers or Tate they would only be looking at $6 million, by going way under slot they could have $4 million to spend.  I guess they could do a lot of damage with that money if there is talent worthy of it that falls.  Callis also stated that Rogers wouldn't have gone before #7 last year and Tate would have been more in the Nola, Freeland class of prospects.

http://ht.ly/ME9TU
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 07, 2015, 04:50:58 pm
Tyler Stephenson was considered a 3rd round guy when we saw him in March...his stock has obviously gone up quite a bit this spring.

He is impressive to the eye, though...6'4, 210-ish, and the ball jumps off his bat...pretty solid on the bump as well...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 07, 2015, 05:15:45 pm
His bat flip is strong.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 07, 2015, 08:38:01 pm
Carson Fulmer so far tonight vs. #9 Florida...

7-5-0-0-2-8

Still pumping 95 thru 7...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 07, 2015, 08:46:16 pm
8-5-0-0-2-10
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 07, 2015, 09:27:46 pm
9-6-0-0-2-11

124 pitches (20+ in the 9th), and still 94-95 in the 9th...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 07, 2015, 09:43:55 pm
Nothing wrong with Fullmer's talent. Just don't know about that high-speed delivery. He would be an oddity as a starter.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on May 07, 2015, 10:10:00 pm
For some reason, the scouting reports I've seen on Fullmer make me think of Fernando Valenzuela and Hideki Nomo, two pitchers who were almost unhittable early in their careers but failed to stay on top for more than a few seasons. If he helps the Cubs win even one World Series, he'd be a great draft pick. #notascout
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 07, 2015, 11:24:43 pm
Kyle Tucker is a guy I'm getting a little bit of a crush on.  Most of the video I've seen is from when he was a junior. He is/was a bean pole.  His swing has a kind of funky start to it, but through the zone he has that pretty left hand swing and for being a bean pole he hits it hard.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 07, 2015, 11:54:06 pm
For some reason, the scouting reports I've seen on Fullmer make me think of Fernando Valenzuela and Hideki Nomo, two pitchers who were almost unhittable early in their careers but failed to stay on top for more than a few seasons. If he helps the Cubs win even one World Series, he'd be a great draft pick. #notascout

BA top 100 has Fullmer at #7 overall.

Keith Law top 100 has Fullmer at # 44.

Law is the outlier here I suppose but kind of shows the range of opinion about Fullmer's future.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on May 08, 2015, 12:12:05 am
Law thinks he has no chance to be an MLB starter because of his size and his max-effort delivery. Perhaps I also should have mentioned Tim Lincecum and Mike Hampton as well as Fernando and Nomo.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 08, 2015, 12:14:43 am
Kyle Tucker is a guy I'm getting a little bit of a crush on.  Most of the video I've seen is from when he was a junior. He is/was a bean pole.  His swing has a kind of funky start to it, but through the zone he has that pretty left hand swing and for being a bean pole he hits it hard.



Seems like all five of the touted HS OFers have at least a chance to develop as CFers. Think that's important at #9, especially if Almora is unable to continue hitting line drives to LF.

Still, kind of spooked about HS OFers that high unless it's a special case.

Remember the 1989 draft when HS OFers went #4, 6, and 8 (Earl Cunningham) and none of the three got past AA ball. Of course, didn't have all the showcases back then and clubs do better job of avoiding the total stiffs that high.

Then there is Ryan Harvey.

Kind of think maybe this is the year to draft a pitcher with upside. Law linked Matuela to Cubs in his chat---a guy who was a favorite to go #1 pre-season. Yeah, a risk for several reasons but intriguing.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 08, 2015, 12:19:02 am
Law thinks he has no chance to be an MLB starter because of his size and his max-effort delivery. Perhaps I also should have mentioned Tim Lincecum and Mike Hampton as well as Fernando and Nomo.

I know that college stats are just stats but it's striking how vastly superior Fullmer's stats are to teammate Walker Bueller, who also has chance to go in top 10. Would be interesting to know how Cubs are ranking these two.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: shasson on May 08, 2015, 09:47:02 am
from a baseball america chat on the draft top 100 prospects:

"Vanderbilt ace Carson Fulmer is a tough one to peg in this draft. You can find people who are convicted that he will stay in the rotation. And you can find people equally convicted that he’s a reliever. He’s dominated on Friday nights for Vandy and he’s got the weapons. I don’t think it’s out of the question that he makes it to the big leagues as a starter. But if a team did use him as a reliever, he could be in the big leagues in a hurry."
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: shasson on May 08, 2015, 09:50:18 am
and this is what a BA writer said when asked about Kyle Tucker (I like him for the Cubs, FWIW):

"Kyle Tucker, an outfielder from Plant High School in Tampa, is the younger brother of Preston Tucker, who the Astros just called up. I think it’s fair to say Kyle is a more athletic version of his brother. Plus hit/power is a rare combo to find. I think people like his power more than his hit tool right now, but he’s a very talented offensive player."
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 08, 2015, 09:59:43 am
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/a-far-too-early-2015-mlb-mock-draft/

He has the Cubs taking Clark.  For college pitchers he mentions Jon Harris, who is from the same college as Pierce Johnson, as some one the Cubs like.  Of all the high school OF I like Tucker's upside the best, but when he fills out he is going to be a corner OF.  Clark and Plummer might not stick in CF either.

Unless Bergman makes it to the Red Sox, I don't think Fulmer will make it to the Cubs. High effort delivery and poor command just doesn't seem like a Cubs pick. McDaniel thinks Buhler's delivery makes his fastball easy to pick and it is flat and that makes it easier to hit.

Edit: BA Mock Draft Has the Cubs taking Fulmer

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mlb-mock-draft-2015-version-1-0/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on May 08, 2015, 11:15:07 am
A left fielder doesn't seem to fit this front office's draft history.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on May 08, 2015, 01:21:41 pm
Dave, that's not true.  If you believe what the front office says now, they drafted Schwarber believing that he would be relegated to LF.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: shasson on May 08, 2015, 01:31:23 pm
Yeah, I think the front office believes in elite bats (and/or elite arms if the arm is more-elite than the available bat).
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on May 08, 2015, 06:02:34 pm
It might better be summarized as liking high upsides, the higher the better, with the prospects of reaching the upside potential being a major consideration.

In other words they seem to believe in the approach that makes sense and which other teams should follow, though few do, or at least not very well.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 08, 2015, 06:17:58 pm
I'm surprised that Aiken and Nix aren't ranked higher
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 08, 2015, 08:11:42 pm
Aiken has rumors that there is more wrong with his arm than TJS.  Until his medicals are released to teams nobody will know where he is going to go.  Could be top 10 or in the 40's.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on May 08, 2015, 08:17:27 pm
47th would be nifty.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on May 08, 2015, 08:58:39 pm
Matuela at 9 and Aiken at 47.

But we would have to take a doctor at 103
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 08, 2015, 09:03:38 pm
We've got one
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on May 08, 2015, 11:12:26 pm
47th would be nifty.

I like the way this guy thinks.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 08, 2015, 11:26:31 pm
Medicals will have to be very worrisome for Aiken to be there at #47.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on May 08, 2015, 11:29:16 pm
I'm OK with taking a gamble on a second round pick.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on May 08, 2015, 11:30:00 pm
I wouldn't mind Matuela at number 9
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 08, 2015, 11:38:05 pm
I'm OK with taking a gamble on a second round pick.

Yeah, that pick is like found money---ready to give it up if Russell Martin had signed.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 08, 2015, 11:52:55 pm
Matulla scares me.  Very little track record and in addition to TJS he has back issues.  This draft sucks at the top.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on May 08, 2015, 11:57:49 pm
Not too keen on these injury guys.  Not sure they were Kerry Wood types to start with.  I think the success rate with the surgery guys is way overrated.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 09, 2015, 12:04:27 am
The only injury guy I'd consider is Aiken if the medicals check out and it is just a normal TJS.  If there is any question that there is something else going on I wouldn't waste a second round pick on him.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on May 09, 2015, 02:29:38 am
I doubt that Aiken would sign this summer if he falls into the second round.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on May 09, 2015, 03:46:29 am
I doubt that Aiken would sign this summer if he falls into the second round.

I would be surprised if he didn't.

He has to understand that he could easily not only end up with no bonus money at all if real arm problems develop, but that he would not even have MLB team paying the medical bills to assure quality treatment.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on May 09, 2015, 03:22:37 pm
I doubt that Aiken would sign this summer if he falls into the second round.

If he doesn't he's a fool.  He's already played that game once and lost big.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 11, 2015, 10:49:07 am
FWIW Jon Harris had a good start over the weekend and Kiley McDaniel would tie him more strongly to the Cubs at #9.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 11, 2015, 12:41:21 pm
Baseball Prospectus has released a mock draft but it's only for subscribers. Anyone have access?

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=26311
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 11, 2015, 01:07:59 pm
Trenton Clark, OF, Richland (TX) HS
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on May 11, 2015, 01:29:59 pm
Trenton Clark, OF, Richland (TX) HS

Well, from just a quick read and a couple video views, I like him.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 11, 2015, 01:41:30 pm
Thanks.

BA has Clark something like just the 5th best HS outfielder in the draft, yet the Cubs seem interested.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on May 11, 2015, 01:44:32 pm
Some of the reports about him make him sound like Almora, with a little more power and a less defense.  But the reports seem to vary from scout to scout even more than is normal.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 11, 2015, 01:52:01 pm
Clark is a speedburner though unlike Almora, and that's a tool that can really come in handy.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on May 11, 2015, 02:06:01 pm
BA has Clark something like just the 5th best HS outfielder in the draft, yet the Cubs seem interested.

Perhaps with Soler in right, and Bryant/Schwarber/McKinney/Jiminez largely pointing towards left, might the Cubs interest in HS bats be limited to HS guys they project to still play a true CF even after they fill out and grow into their power?  Is that true for Clark?  (Beats me).  And less true for the other HS bats?  (Beats me.  I thought Cameron was supposed to project well for center.) 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 11, 2015, 02:16:54 pm
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might the Cubs interest in HS bats be limited to HS guys they project to still play a true CF even after they fill out and grow into their power?

I thought about that although one report I saw had Clark moving to left eventually. He seems to be one of these smart, pure baseball types which I think is where an Almora comparison would come in. Be almost a relief to have a non-K type hitter with speed in the system. Assuming Clark is a non-K type; can't always tell against HS pitching.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 11, 2015, 03:15:15 pm
Of course Cubs will take BPA in their eyes, but think this will be year Cubs take college pitcher in first round.

Of course, we don't know who they really like and don't especially like but guessing pick will either be Funkhouser, Fullmer, Jay, or Harris.  White Sox at #8 expected to take college pitcher, so hopefully don't take the guy Cubs really want. 

If Cubs take HS outfielder, surely means they just love the guy.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 11, 2015, 03:31:01 pm
Sounds like the Cubs would take Bregman if he were there which seems unlikely.

I wasn't all that awed by Harris' scouting videos, but then there might not be much wow factor in this draft.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on May 11, 2015, 03:33:14 pm
(Beats me.  I thought Cameron was supposed to project well for center.) 

It looks like most believe that Cameron will be gone before the Cubs pick.  If he IS there, I hope they take him.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on May 11, 2015, 07:24:28 pm
Well, if they do surprise me and take a pitcher, I hope it's Funkhouser, because I dig his name.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on May 11, 2015, 07:29:48 pm
Well, if they do surprise me and take a pitcher, I hope it's Funkhouser, because I dig his name.

Yeah, but it doesn't come close to Skye Bolt.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 11, 2015, 10:58:50 pm
http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2015/05/the-only-certainty-in-this-mlb-draft-is-uncertainty-a-quick-look-at-10-prospects-cubs-will-consider-with-9th-pick/

Gives a nice summary and video of the players.  They weren't kidding about Clark having a weird grip on the bat.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 11, 2015, 11:43:14 pm
At this point, I'm hoping we take Donny Everett, a hard throwing RHP from Clarksville (TN), make him a competitive offer, watch him go to Vandy, and have an extra pick next year.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 12, 2015, 12:00:26 am
May not be a bad choice.  2016 might have 7 guys that could go #1 this year.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 12, 2015, 03:02:48 pm
https://twitter.com/tnbballrprt/status/598168503481278464

This is how Everett's Clarksville team got eliminated from the state tournament chase last night...brutal...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 12, 2015, 03:36:07 pm
Seriously?  Where?  Which umpire called it?  Home plate?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 12, 2015, 03:44:13 pm
Home plate ump called it.  The only thing I could see would be not coming set before pitching for a full second, but that is a ticky tac call

I had a balk called on me when I picked a kid off of second many years ago.  The ump said I had to step off the rubber to pick someone off of second.  I can't believe I didn't get tossed from the game.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 12, 2015, 03:50:05 pm
I remember some umps who looked for crap like that but blew simple calls on the bases or balls and strikes.  They knew all the nonsense rules, but...  I had a kid called out once because he didn't go back and tag his base after a foul ball. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 12, 2015, 03:53:15 pm
I'm still convinced it wasn't a balk, 25+ years later.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 12, 2015, 03:55:07 pm
Mayo with his first Mock Draft.

Has Walker Buehler to Cubs.

Funkhouser drops to #17.

Says Trenton Clark has ability to stay in CF.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/123796538/jonathan-mayo-has-dillon-tate-going-first-to-arizona-diamondbacks-in-mock-draft
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 12, 2015, 04:50:34 pm
I'm still convinced it wasn't a balk, 25+ years later.
That convinces me it was.  You're pretty damb stubborn.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 12, 2015, 04:57:39 pm
Stubborn? ME?  No way?

The ump said it was a balk because I didn't step off with the rubber with my pivot foot and then attempt to a pick off move to second base.  I'm positive that this isn't a rule.  I used the same pick off move multiple times before and after and it was never a balk.  Now, my pickoff move to first base that was almost always a balk.  It just never got called.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 12, 2015, 05:09:17 pm
Actually you're right.  You just can't feint going home before pivoting.  The ump was ticked because it was his kid you picked off.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on May 12, 2015, 11:09:58 pm
The kid in the video didn't balk, and from what CBJ posted, he didn't balk either.

Kill all the umps!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 13, 2015, 12:23:10 am
Sure looked to me like the kid could be called for a balk on that play.

I'm assuming TN HS baseball uses the NFHS Rules Book.  Rule 6, Sec. 1, Art. 3 reads:

Quote
For the set position, the pitcher shall have the ball in either his gloved hand or his pitching hand. His pitching hand shall be down at his side or behind his back. Before starting his delivery, he shall stand with his entire non-pivot foot in front of a line extending through the front edge of the pitcher's plate and with his entire pivot foot in contact with or directly in front of the pitcher's plate. He shall go to the set position without interruption and in one continuous motion. He shall come to a complete and discernible stop (a change of direction is not considered an acceptable stop) with the ball in both hands in front of the body and his glove at or below his chin. Natural preliminary motions such as only one stretch may be made. During these preliminary motions and during the set position until a delivery motion occurs, the pitcher may turn on his pivot foot or lift it in a jump turn to step with the non-pivot foot toward a base while throwing or feinting as outlined in 6-2-4 and 2-28-5, or he may lift his pivot foot in a step backward off the pitcher's plate which must be in or partially within the 24-inch length of the pitcher's plate. In order to change to the wind-up position, he must first step clearly backward off the pitcher's plate with his pivot foot first. After the pitcher has placed his pivot foot on the ground clearly behind the plate, he then has the right to throw or feint to a base the same as that of any other infielder.


I can see the umpire explaining the pitcher didn't come to a complete stop and during his 'quick' stop the glove was positioned above his chin. Kind of a questionable call on the play but not necessarily a wrong call.  Why was the pitcher throwing from stretch on the play as the video seems to show there wasn't a runner occupying 1st base.  When I pitched, I was taught to always pitch from a windup with a runner on third and first base unoccupied as you're more likely to be called for a balk pitching from the stretch.  I was also taught that with a runner on third and pitching from the stretch, make sure you come to a complete stop and count to at least one to freeze the runner(s) and to lessen the possibility of a questionable balk call made by an umpire.

Ticky tack borderline call on the play?  Absolutely but not necessarily the WRONG call. I've seen some 'better' umpires let it go and then, in between the next half inning of play, seek out the team's head coach and tell him to make sure his pitcher comes to a complete stop as 'you don't want to lose this game due to a balk.'

Also from the reactions after the play, this call didn't end the game. (Edited to add: looked it up and this play occurred in the bottom of the 4th inning.)  Tough way to lose a game and a tough way to end the season & some players HS baseball careers but "you can't win if you don't score" and Clarksville didn't score a run in the game.

I saw a 'phantom' balk call end an extra inning game and a team's season two years ago and that balk call was completely bogus as the HP umpire commented to me before the half inning started that he needed the game to end soon as he had to be at work in 6 hours and he hadn't yet slept.



Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 13, 2015, 03:34:57 pm
New rumor about Cubs pick at #9, from Keith Law's chat today:

....it also depends on who they draft at #9. Latest rumor has them on Andrew Benintendi of Arkansas, a 5'9" or so LHH CF with surprising power.

Benintendi is a helium guy last few weeks:  a true CFer, 2nd in NCAA in homers with 17.  This is in SEC, mind  you.  Current line is 412-507-780.  20/24 SBs.  Lefty bat. Draft eligible Sophomore because turns 21 in July, before end of signing period. 

Kiley McDaniel has him at #13 to Rays. Mayo has him #20 to A's. No mention in BA mock.

If Cubs drafted him, would of course be CF alternative to Almora. 

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 13, 2015, 04:26:37 pm
He's been red-hot the past few weeks...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 13, 2015, 05:06:11 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSi0L29OD34
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 13, 2015, 05:07:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyHu8t9CxGY
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 13, 2015, 05:11:46 pm
This one has a homer and a diving catch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx2c6H1cGLM
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 13, 2015, 05:16:53 pm
And a profile:

http://sbb.scout.com/story/1540432-2015-mlb-draft-profile-andrew-benintendi-cf
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 13, 2015, 05:21:18 pm
A bat speed guy.

Quote
Scott Stocker, now Madeira’s head baseball coach and an assistant for Benintendi’s entire career with the Mustangs, said his natural ability, work ethic and bat speed are remarkable.


http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/ohio-high-school/2015/04/18/madeira-grad-benintendi-blazing/25981499/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 13, 2015, 06:39:40 pm
From the highlights he looks pretty impressive. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 13, 2015, 06:42:57 pm
If we pick him I think Almora might become trade bait.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 15, 2015, 01:02:31 pm
BA's latest mock is, interesting....

1) DBacks- Fulmer
2.) Astros- Swanson
3.) Rockies- Rodgers
4.) Rangers- Tate
5.) Astros- Tucker
6.) Twins- Cameron
7.) Red Sox- Bregman
8.) White Sox- Jay
9.) Cubs- Benintendi

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mlb-mock-draft-2015-version-2-0/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Ron on May 15, 2015, 01:09:28 pm
If we pick him I think Almora might become trade bait.

Hard to believe that they would make that decision based on #9 draft pick (in a relatively weak draft at tbat).
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 16, 2015, 04:21:40 pm
Arkansas finished SEC regular season today. SEC tournament starts this week.

Andrew Benintendi ends season at 415-511-771.  21/25 SBs.

Maybe a better risk than the HS OFers? Especially as a definite CFer?  Of course, all about scouting at this level, not stats.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 16, 2015, 04:25:31 pm
The Reds are supposedly in on Benintendi 13th pick so perhaps it wouldn't be a stretch to take him at 9.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 16, 2015, 05:21:47 pm
I still say draft Everett, let him go to Vandy, and have 2 picks next year...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 16, 2015, 05:25:11 pm
Kiley McDaniel had criptic tweet about some talented 2015 HS player who was previously unsignable had a falling out with his college over summer activities and could know sign.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on May 16, 2015, 05:47:37 pm
Its hard to trust a man named Kiley.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on May 16, 2015, 07:59:15 pm
Andrew Benintendi ends season at 415-511-771.  21/25 SBs.
Maybe a better risk than the HS OFers? Especially as a definite CFer?  Of course, all about scouting at this level, not stats.

*If* he scouts as a *true* CF, and *if* they scout him favorably as a hitter, I can't imagine why he wouldn't make more sense than the HS guys.  As I understand it, Clark is one who's a maybe CF, but not sure he's a great CF prospect defensively.  And his ugly swing with his big leg kick make him look like a very high-risk option.  Compared to a guy who's show he can recognize pitches and has a beautiful swing and good balance against the best college pitchers in the country in the SEC.  Seems like an easy choice. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 16, 2015, 08:08:18 pm
The Reds are also interested in him at 13 from PSD.

Sure seems like a Cubs pick and the LH bat would be nice to have.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on May 16, 2015, 08:11:58 pm
A friend of mine that has seen Benintendi a lot referred to him offensively as less than Schwarber and more than McKinney.  No comment about his ability to play cf in the majors.

Only one person's opinion, but if accurate, that sounds pretty good to me for a number nine.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 17, 2015, 02:23:20 am
More on Benintendi's surge:

http://www.nwaonline.com/news/2015/may/16/benintendi-progresses-plate/?sports-college
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on May 17, 2015, 07:11:27 am
Has the college ball been changed to facilitate more HRs? 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on May 17, 2015, 07:13:04 am
A friend of mine that has seen Benintendi a lot referred to him offensively as less than Schwarber and more than McKinney.  No comment about his ability to play cf in the majors...

*If* he projected as a true defensive CFer, a McKinney bat who was solid/asset in CFer would be an excellent value. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on May 17, 2015, 07:38:24 am
*If* he projected as a true defensive CFer, a McKinney bat who was solid/asset in CFer would be an excellent value. 

Agreed... and if so it would be surprising if he is still available when the Cubs draft.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on May 17, 2015, 08:28:41 am
He has shot up on the draft charts in the past three weeks.  He may be for real, but it may also be just a career year surge for him.  That forces teams high in the draft to decide whether his recent performance is for real, or if they should go with someone that had a longer track record.

We got Stinnett in the second round last year because he was a college senior with good but not spectacular performance during his last season.  If he has pitched like that his entire college career, he would have been a high first round pick.  Time has yet to tell if last year was an exception.

I am not saying it was or was not.  Just that in the first half dozen picks, there are others that are less risky.  As you move down on the list, you have do decide how much risk you are willing to take with your choices when ALL of them have reasons why they have not been picked higher.

I hope they take him if available, but it is not without risk.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on May 17, 2015, 09:42:17 am
He has shot up on the draft charts in the past three weeks.  He may be for real, but it may also be just a career year surge for him.

When a 20 year old has what is up until that time a "career year" it might be reasonable to conclude it is less a result of being the best year he will ever have (which is the way I define "career year") and more a result of simply developing and coming closer to reaching his potential.  In fact 20 year old players who do NOT have what is up until that point the best season they have ever had should be raising concerns about their performance.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 17, 2015, 10:44:18 am
Teams didn't realize he was a sophomore eligible draft either, so a lot of teams didn't put the work in on him.  According to McDaniel 15 scouting directors were at his last game. The only others first round talent was a 2016 arm for Georgia.

He's a risky pick, but every #9 pick is.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 17, 2015, 10:48:06 am
Has the college ball been changed to facilitate more HRs? 
I think it has more to do with the bats, Craig.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 17, 2015, 01:09:02 pm
Actually, they changed from raised-seams baseballs to more of a flat-seamed ball this season, in an effort to boost offense a bit...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 17, 2015, 01:26:56 pm
Yeah that's right.  I remember reading that.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on May 17, 2015, 10:50:25 pm
Tyler Jay has the second lowest ERA in NCAA.  He's got a 60-5 K/BB ratio.  I know the Big Ten isn't SEC or Pac10, but that's a pretty noteworthy K/BB.  If the Cubs take him, and think he's rotation-fine, I think that would be very intriguing.  60/5 K/BB guys with very positive velocity, breaking stuff, and some reports of deceptive delivery, very intriguing.  If we take him, I'll be really interested.  (And I suspect if we do, we'll give him a shot at rotation.) 

I know it's the thing to say the draft stinks.  And I'm not expecting to get a guy who's going to be the best player on a championship team.  But I'm fairly trusting that there are a number of guys who will look really interesting.  The Cubs will have choices; I'm sure whoever they pick it will be for good reason, and they'll like a lot. 

Their valuation board won't be identical to that of the previous 8 teams.  That seems more true than ever in this draft.  My guess is that of their BPA list, I'd be surprised if one of *their* top-7 wasn't still available at pick 9.  This may be as scouting-dependent a draft as ever, and I think there is reason to trust the Cubs to scout thoroughly and thoughtfully.  I'm always hopeful, of course, but I think we'll be pretty hopeful about whichever guy the take, and for good reason.

The CFer?  We could use a good one.  One of the Vandy pitchers?  Jay?  Harris?  Nikorak?  Whitley?  Cameron?  Clark?  Tucker?  Funkhauser?  We're going to get somebody really interesting, with a reasonable chance to be a really serious contributor. 

Will the ceiling be as high as I thought Jon Bryant or Mark Appel had two years ago?  No.  Sure thing at 9?  No.  Will it be easy to choose one of the guys that does work out really well?  No.

But I think I'm going to be pretty enthused about whomever we get. 

And I'm guessing whoever we take will fit pretty quickly into our top six. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 18, 2015, 12:11:48 am
Chances are you aren't getting a Baez or Almora level prospect either.  The #9 pick will likely be #4 on the prospect list behind Schwarber, Torres, Underwood.  I suppose if Almora ISO can get above .100 he might be in the mix too.   I would really think it would be fun to do a 25 and under list for the Cubs.

Jay would be a great pick, but I doubt he gets past the White Sox's.  They seem to love lefty starters.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on May 18, 2015, 01:06:02 am
I dont remember a prospect by the name of Jon Bryant?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on May 18, 2015, 01:32:33 am
I agree with your likely top three prospects. Without knowing who our pick will be, who might be promoted too early to remain a prospect, who might be traded in July and how the various candidates will perform over the rest of the season, it's far to early for me to rank the rest of them. But I think Almora, McKinney and Jimenez are strong candidates for #4.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: grrrrlacher on May 18, 2015, 01:42:47 am
Don't forget Vogelbach and Edwards.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on May 18, 2015, 08:23:27 pm
When a 20 year old has what is up until that time a "career year" it might be reasonable to conclude it is less a result of being the best year he will ever have (which is the way I define "career year") and more a result of simply developing and coming closer to reaching his potential.  In fact 20 year old players who do NOT have what is up until that point the best season they have ever had should be raising concerns about their performance.

That is what they thought about Hayden Simpson.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 18, 2015, 09:30:25 pm
That was just a Goc awful pick.  Yelich, Walker, Syndergaard, Sanchez where all picked after him.  Benvinditti has at least done it in the SEC and not at a DII school with a velocity spike thrown in for fun.

I do wonder how much of it was a budget issue vs Simpson being the #1 player on the Cubs board.  Wilken always did some whacky things.  Speaking of failed 1st rounders, Brett Jackson is doing pretty well for the Giants AAA team.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 18, 2015, 09:42:52 pm
Quote
Simpson, recommended by area scout Jim Crawford, expected to be taken somewhere between the second and fifth rounds. Cubs scouting director Tim Wilken liked the right-hander's bulldog attitude, especially after watching him strike out 13 in a shutout against Florida Southern in the Southern Regional tournament. Simpson did not walk a batter in that game.

"This guy just made sense," Wilken said Monday. "They can say what they want to, the prognosticators. It was very, very simple, but you had to say, 'Hey, wait a minute, this is almost too good to be true.'"
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on May 18, 2015, 09:44:53 pm
Wilken, a known LSD user, is no longer the Cubs scouting director.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on May 18, 2015, 10:02:08 pm
Outfielders are less likely to wreck their arms than pitchers, so Benvinditti is less likely to get wiped out like Simpson did.  Simpson was probably a dumb pick.  But it's kinda hard to evaluate the scouting when his arm was shot before his pro career got off the ground.  The same could happen with Jay or Fulmer or whichever pitcher is the smartest pitcher pick. 

Although maybe not.  I imagine exactly the weekend that impressed Wilken the most, pitching deep and then coming back a couple days later and manfully pitching some more in relief, may have been exactly what cooked his arm. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 18, 2015, 10:10:13 pm
Wasn't Simpson's issue mono or whatever Concepcion came down with?

Really hard to judge the draft before the Baez draft.  WGN was spending most of the money on the MLB to get a winner and drive up the price of the team.  Wilken still works for the Cubs and I believe helps out a lot with draft.  That is a good thing.  While he took some whacky picks, his track record is much, much better than McLoed who is also really good.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on May 18, 2015, 10:20:44 pm
That was the issue that got all the attention.  But pitchers with wrecked are can get mono just like pitchers with healthy arms.  It wasn't the mono that ended his career, it was that he had elbow problems that cost him both his command and his velocity.  Wilken had him throwing 96-97 pre-draft, he got mono and didn't pitch draft summer, the following season he started, went on DL, and came back barely hitting mid-80's.  They talked mono and rest, but in time it came out that he tried to pitch through a very sore elbow.  He's a pitcher, that's the risk you take whether small college or big.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 18, 2015, 11:27:42 pm
Pitchers frequently abused often broken. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 20, 2015, 10:01:43 am
Benintendi went 0-5, struck out three times, and left the bases loaded twice in last night's SEC tourney opener.

There's a Cubs joke in that performance somewhere.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 20, 2015, 12:19:15 pm
Dan Kirby takes a crack at the first 75 picks and has the Cubs taking Clark and a high school pitcher.

http://throughthefencebaseball.com/2015-mlb-draft-mock-4-0-top-75-picks/45483
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 21, 2015, 09:46:59 am
Benintendi homered and walked twice in Arkansas' win over Florida in the SEC tourney last night.

The Razorbacks play #1 ranked LSU on the SEC Network tonight at 8:00 central.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 21, 2015, 10:07:03 am
Anybody see Law's mock for the top 10?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 21, 2015, 11:31:30 am
Benintendi homered and walked twice in Arkansas' win over Florida in the SEC tourney last night.

The Razorbacks play #1 ranked LSU on the SEC Network tonight at 8:00 central.
Benintendi was 0-5 with 3 K's the night before.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on May 21, 2015, 11:46:38 am
Against the Big Orange.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 21, 2015, 04:34:23 pm
Clemson leads #4Louisville 5-1 after two innings in their ACC Tournament game.  Kyle Funkhouser is struggling big time.  His pitch count is at 49.  His stock over the last few weeks is dropping faster than Lumber Liquidators.   Game is available for view on ESPN360.com.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 21, 2015, 04:39:26 pm
Somebody tweeted he is pitching in the upper 80's. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 21, 2015, 04:52:44 pm
63 pitches thru three innings for Kyle Funkhouser.  Last pitch was a fastball clocked at 90mph.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 21, 2015, 05:08:05 pm
A 1-2-3  fourth for Funkhouser.  Last fastball was clocked at 92.  Today his change is 73-75 mph.  Breaking ball 79-83 and FB 89-94.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: DelMarFan on May 21, 2015, 05:31:34 pm
Great name, though.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 21, 2015, 05:34:26 pm
32 pitches in the 5th inning for Funkhauser.  That adds up to 108 for the game.  I think he's now done for the day as Clemson leads 7-1.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 21, 2015, 05:52:57 pm
108?  Namby pampy.  He should be able to go 150 with his young arm.  He has plenty of time to have surgery.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 21, 2015, 05:53:50 pm
Dansby Swanson with a HR in the bottom of the 4th cuts the Texas A&M lead to 6-1.  Vanderbilt's Carson Fulmer struggling today as he has given up three HRs to the Aggies and three other hits along with two walks and a HBP.

game is live on the SEC Network and on espn360.com

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 21, 2015, 10:19:17 pm

Arkansas falling apart in tonight's SEC Baseball Tournament game vs. #1 ranked LSU.  The Razorbacks have made five errors including one by CFer Andrew Benintendi.  Benintendi's 0-3 with two flyouts to left and a ground out to second tonight.  LSU leads 10-4 going into the bottom of the 7th.  Game is being telecast live on the SEC Network and on espn360.com

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 21, 2015, 10:27:26 pm

Benintendi now 0-4 tonight as he grounds out sharply 6-3.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 21, 2015, 10:35:05 pm
Not sure where JR is right now, but anyone in the Nashville/Murfreesboro area should go check out the Tennessee AAA state championship game tomorrow.

Patrick Raby (Vandy signee) and Farragut take on Will Neely (UT signee) and Hardin Valley...two district rivals from Knoxville...two really good arms...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 22, 2015, 08:39:20 am
Listening to Keith Law on Buster's podcast as well as reading his chat was kinda interesting.

-He has very little feel for who the Cubs will take at #9 and feels much more confidence about the teams before them
-He thinks Clark has a better hit tool than Benintendi.  Benintendi he feels is a 55 runner, which might be why he can't stick in CF.
-The rumor is the Cubs will go with a hitter at 9 and over slot HS pitchers later
-The Red Sox and Cubs could have an interest in Aiken depending on what the medicals look like.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 22, 2015, 04:10:29 pm
New BA mock draft has them taking Jon Harris, calls Benintendi the most volatile player in the draft.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mlb-mock-draft-2015-version-3-0/

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 22, 2015, 05:24:02 pm
New BA mock draft has them taking Jon Harris, calls Benintendi the most volatile player in the draft.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mlb-mock-draft-2015-version-3-0/



Tyler Jay pick number 1?

A college reliever that's no sure bet to successfully move into a starting rotation.

Only makes some sense if he's willing to sign with the D-Backs for $3+ million under the slot value with plans to use that savings to sign lower picks for over slot.  Even then that's huge g@mble with the overall #1 pick.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 22, 2015, 05:39:30 pm
Jay's the hot name. Very good stuff, deception, fresh arm. In a draft like this there are probably a dozen players that could go #1.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 22, 2015, 06:32:15 pm
Jay's the hot name. Very good stuff, deception, fresh arm. In a draft like this there are probably a dozen players that could go #1.

I understand all of that but it's a BIG, BIG g@mble with the overall #1 pick. If Jay fails as a starting pitcher the D-Backs's FO will receive much more criticism than if they draft more of a 'sure bet' like Swanson and he fails.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 22, 2015, 08:54:07 pm

Andrew Benintendi was 0-2 tonight in Arkansas' 10-0 loss to Florida in a slaughter rule shortened 7-inning game.  Benintendi lined to shortstop, stuck out swinging and walked & then stole second base in his final plate appearance.  With the loss Arkansas was eliminated from the SEC Baseball Tournament.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on May 22, 2015, 09:12:03 pm
You can say gamble here...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 22, 2015, 11:31:32 pm
You can say gamble here...

I forgot you had the 10K ad credits.  How many are left?

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 23, 2015, 10:51:57 am
According to McDaniel Theo was in Oregon to see the UCLA pitcher that starts with K.  Less upside, more polish is what I tend to get out of his scouting report.  According to McDaniel the Cubs aren't the only top 10 team looking at him.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on May 23, 2015, 12:13:09 pm
James Kaprielian.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on May 23, 2015, 12:15:05 pm
http://www.truebluela.com/2015/5/21/8640165/mlb-draft-2015-kaprielian-hayes
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 23, 2015, 12:55:22 pm
James Kaprielian.

Yes.  Coming from a guy with a tough last name, some of these pitchers.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on May 24, 2015, 07:25:59 am
According to McDaniel Theo was in Oregon to see the UCLA pitcher that starts with K.  Less upside, more polish is what I tend to get out of his scouting report.  According to McDaniel the Cubs aren't the only top 10 team looking at him.

Less upside/more polish reminds me of Aaron Nola from last year.  He's got a 0.8 WHIP and 1.5 ERA in AA through 8 starts this spring.  I'd be pretty happy if the guy we take this draft is sitting in that position in AA a year from now. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 24, 2015, 12:51:51 pm
Nola is a much better prospect than Kaparilian. Calliis tweeted a few days ago Nola would likely be 1.1 in this draft.  I would love if there was a Nola in this draft for the Cubs.

I'm starting to wonder if the Cubs are just Theo out to see a bunch of people because they aren't sure how the draft is going to play out or they just want to confuse teams ahead of them or they have no clue who they want.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on May 24, 2015, 12:59:08 pm
Interesting.  I wonder if that would have been equally true even as Nola was perceived last May?  Or if that's more how the present Nola is perceived, the one who has been great in the minors, and was great (I think) in tournament college, and who was reported with higher velocity in college tournaments than had been previously reported during the spring runup to the draft? 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 24, 2015, 01:20:38 pm
This draft is really bad at the top.  Rogers might be the only 60 FV guy in the draft. Last year had at least 3 65 FV guys.  The 60 FV guys went much further all the way down to Trea Turner at 14.  Nola was the 3rd 60 FV guy last year.  Schwarber was the second ranked 55 FV guy at 16.  So I think it was based off of the predraft rankings and not how he's done since then.

Nola's 6.6 K/9 is a little concerning at AA, but his K% is 20% which isn't horrible.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 27, 2015, 01:17:48 pm
Callis and Mayo did a sorta mock draft on their latest podcast.  They took their BPA, which may not be who the team is considering.  The Cubs pick in this draft was Jay, but they mentioned that the White Sox might take him at #8 instead of Daz Cameron and that the Cubs would Cameron if that is the case.

CubsDen tried to figure out who the Cubs four players they where considering.  His reasoning led to Buehler, Clark, Benintendi and a new name in Donnie Dewees with wildcards of Cameron and Ian Happ.

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2015/05/cubs-mlb-draft-update-and-then-there-were-4/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Robb on May 27, 2015, 01:32:36 pm
I wish they could figure out if Brady Aiken is worth the risk.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 27, 2015, 01:39:53 pm
As long as they get a look at this medicals I'm sure they will have a decent idea.  I doubt any team that thinks his arm will be fine is going to say it to the media, so we won't likely find out until draft day or if his agent leaks it.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on May 27, 2015, 01:43:28 pm
DeWees would be great.  One, if he's struggling, all the Today's Game could be doing all the "De Wus!" stuff!  Fun.  Two, Dave and I want some Dutch guys.  The Dutch are such an undervalued minority group.  Third, Dewees is so unappreciated that he'd perhaps sign as an under slot.  Sign for #25 slot money, that leaves more for pitchers in rounds 2 and 3. 

More seriously, Dewees sounds like a Benintendi type, with the same issues.  Is he really a big-league CFer, or isn't he?  Is he really a "best-hitter" true-blue hitter who'll translate, or not so much?  Does his college HR-power translate, or not? 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 27, 2015, 01:55:15 pm
DeWees lacks Benintendi's power.  He has more speed though.  The only issue in CF would be his arm.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chiman on May 28, 2015, 08:49:22 pm
Can anyone tell me where you can follow the draft?  I know someone that potentially could be drafted and would like to follow along.
Thanks
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 28, 2015, 08:55:01 pm
The first round will be on the MLB Network.  After that MLB.com will stream the picks.  If I remember correctly the 2 round might have a video stream.  Eventually it becomes an audio stream with Callis and Mayo talking about some of the picks every 5 rounds or so.  If you don't want to listen to it MLB.com will update the picks on their website.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 28, 2015, 09:43:33 pm
From McDaniel's Mock

9. Cubs – Daz Cameron, CF, Eagle’s Landing Christian HS (GA), Florida State commit

The Cubs have been very hard to peg this spring, as they’ve been tied to over a dozen players at this pick and it seems like they are more focused on misinformation than most years. They would take Tucker, Benintendi, Jay or Fulmer if they get here. President Theo Epstein has seen CF Andrew Benintendi, RHP James Kaprielian and RHP Jon Harris in the last few weeks and all performed just okay in his looks. Prep LF Trenton Clark had a lot of buzz here early, but seems to be fading. Collegiates RHP Jon Harris and 2B/RF Ian Happ have both been tied here for awhile and RHP Walker Buehler and Allard have been mentioned a bit as well. I’ve also heard prep CF Garrett Whitley and Juco RHP Phil Bickford here, but those seem unlikely. The Cubs had multiple high level scouts in to see Cameron down the stretch and he’s indicated he wants big money, but that’s an expected show, given his adviser (I’ll let you guess who it is). I think the decision would come down to Cameron, Happ or Harris in this scenario.

Keith Law in version 2 of his mock has Ian Happ to the Cubs.  McDaniel has Happ going to the Reds and doesn't think he will last past the 12th pick.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chiman on May 29, 2015, 07:45:45 am
CBJ, Thanks
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on May 29, 2015, 01:53:05 pm
Yes, thanks for keeping us updated on these notes. 

I thought McDaniels comment was interesting:  "They would take Tucker, Benintendi, Jay or Fulmer if they get here."


If one of us would have suggested Benintindi for our pick last month, it would have been considered unrealistic.....  but probably not because Jay/Benintindi were over-our-heads too-good-to-last-that-far unrealistic. 


The unpredictability is why the draft is so awesome. 



Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 29, 2015, 01:59:28 pm
BA has the taking Kapriellian in their lastet mock.

The Cubs have traveled in packs—who do they think they are, the Blue Jays?—to see many of their top targets at No. 9, with large groups of scouts and executives going in to see Garrett Whitley, the top SEC tournament targets such as Benintendi and Kaprielian. We’ve written for weeks that Kaprielian may offer the best bet among the college starters, but that his at times pedestrian velocity holds him back for some clubs, as does his perceived price tag. Kaprielian wasn’t as good against Oregon as he had been in recent weeks. His fastball had maintained 92 mph deep into starts in recent weeks (including the no-hitter), but in his last outing his fastball dipped to 88-90 by the fifth inning, but he has a track record of performance and a strong feel for using his above-average secondary stuff.

Selection: James Kaprielian, rhp, UCLA

Ugg

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 29, 2015, 02:06:37 pm
No reason to go the safe route.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 29, 2015, 05:21:44 pm
Jonathan Mayo has a mock up today at mlb.com.

Mayo has Carson Fullmer to Cubs.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 29, 2015, 08:03:35 pm
Marlin, the PSD insider who has had some decent info in the past, thinks that Benintendi is the guy that the Cubs would like to pick.  He is doubtful that either Cameron or Benintendi will last to the Cubs pick.  He thinks the backup to those guys is college pitching, FWIW.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 29, 2015, 09:40:33 pm
Dillion Tate throwing in the low 90's is getting roughed up by San Diego State.  The slider is nasty though.  Guy working for ESPN has him 96-98 through the first so ESPN gun might be slow.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 29, 2015, 11:06:18 pm
McDaniel tweeted that McLeod and others from the Cubs are at Tate's game.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 30, 2015, 11:04:03 am
From Keith Law's chat this week:

Ben (Right Behind You) If Benintendi falls to the Cubs, do you see them taking him over Happ? Would they consider Tucker if he falls, or do you only see them on college bats? Thanks!

Klaw   More college than HS. I don't know which of the two they rate more highly. I greatly prefer Happ, as he can play the infield and has a much longer track record of performance than Benintendi, whose swing is just unorthodox enough that I think you can fairly question whether the power will hold up with wood. If my degree of confidence in Happ's numbers translating is 0.9, because he hit on the Cape for two summers, my degree of confidence in Benintendi's would be a good bit lower, 0.6 or so.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 30, 2015, 11:32:28 am
David Rawnsley (former BA guy) has a mock up at SI site.  He has Cubs taking Walker Buehler.

Pretty clear that nobody has any real clue who Cubs really like in this draft.  Just about every reputable mock has Cubs with a different guy.

Buehler is kind of similar to Kaprielian---steady guy with long track record of college success but not big upside guys.  Looking at history of draft, might be smart to take a pitcher at #9 who might actually end up a quality #3 starter in big leagues in short order.  You could do worse.

Law's remarks above are interesting as to Ian Happ.  Another guy with a history of college success.  Relatively high Ks a bit worrisome.  As I've mentioned previously, I saw Happ one game at the Cape last summer and the guy really looks like a major league hitter, at least from the left side.  I would assume any club drafting would try to develop Happ as an IFer.  Not an area of need (for now) for Cubs but pretty sure they'll take best perceived player irrespective of position.

Cubs seem to value a high floor with a top 10 overall pick, so no surprise if it's a college pitcher who has a solid projection, even if not Ace material.  Still, would be cool to see a high upside guy be the pick.   Maybe Cameron will fall to #9 because of the high bonus demand and Cubs can play signing chicken with him.  With Almora struggling again, would be nice to get a true CF with offensive potential.  Ditto Benintendi. 

Perhaps most interesting scenario for Cubs watchers is if Cameron and Benintendi are both gone, WSox take Fullmer at #8, and the usual top suspects--Swanson, Rodgers, Bregman, Tate, Jay--are all gone too. 

Think maybe you take the #3 starter type in this scenario--the higher floor college guy with a fast track to the big leagues.  Or, will front office surprise us with an injury guy who has fallen but medicals look pretty good?  Upside or high floor?

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on May 30, 2015, 12:12:20 pm
I think it is/has been a combination of high floor/high ceiling in the past and will be in the future as well. In the scenario where both Beninditi and Cameron are gone that would leave Tucker for the Cubs.

The Cubs have done a really good job of covering their tracks, so I'm not sure anyone has a clue who they will take. By next Friday at least the top 5 should be a little more clear. Once that happens you might be able to make a better guess on who will fall to Cubs.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 30, 2015, 12:18:18 pm
Does Hayden Simpson have a little brother?

We haven't guessed right for years.  JR is right.  Too speculate to extremes is fruitless.  I'm almost at a point to scratch anyone off the board that the "experts" pick in a mock draft.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 30, 2015, 12:30:18 pm
Almora was linked to Cubs well before draft day.  So, that was expected.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 30, 2015, 12:53:51 pm
Which of these expected 1st round draftees are being "advised" by Scott Boras?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on May 30, 2015, 01:35:06 pm
Dez Cameron is isnt he?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on May 30, 2015, 01:41:48 pm
Truth is when you're drafting this far down it's hard to really pinpoint a favorite prospect.

Remember last year we discussed every name taken in the first 2 rounds and Kyle Schwarber's name wasnt mentioned until the day before the draft and that was with a top 5 pick.

As far as this year goes whether it's a pitcher or a bat I guess my only preference is to draft a more seasoned college player.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on May 30, 2015, 02:04:22 pm
Just to illustrate how volatile player rankings can be, BA's #1 for Arkansas in their state-by-state rankings was HS RHP Gray Fenter, now ranked #134 in BA's Top 200. Meanwhile, Arkansas' second-ranked prospect, Andrew Benintendi, is now ranked ninth.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 30, 2015, 03:51:38 pm
I think it is/has been a combination of high floor/high ceiling in the past and will be in the future as well. In the scenario where both Beninditi and Cameron are gone that would leave Tucker for the Cubs.

The Cubs have done a really good job of covering their tracks, so I'm not sure anyone has a clue who they will take. By next Friday at least the top 5 should be a little more clear. Once that happens you might be able to make a better guess on who will fall to Cubs.

Yeah, things can/will change in a week.

As you point out, could be that one guy from group of Cameron, Benintendi, Tucker still on board at #9--if Cubs want that guy.

Wonder if Cubs, instead, might be interested in Kolby Allard if medicals check out. Seems like he might be guy who regains draft footing late. Backup to Almora pick a few years ago supposedly was the HS pitcher from southern california, so Cubs might not be averse to high ceiling HS pitcher.  Rawnsley/SI now has Allard going #12.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 30, 2015, 08:03:13 pm
Matt Garrioch's top 400 prospects:

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/5/30/8690455/2015-mlb-draft-top-400-prospects
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 30, 2015, 08:17:13 pm
Benintendi went 3-4 with a double and 2 RBI Friday in the first game of Arkansas' regional.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on May 30, 2015, 09:20:41 pm
Benintendi singled, walked twice in Arkansas' win Saturday.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 31, 2015, 07:27:11 am
Moving up the Cub list quickly.  "This guy would be a heavy contributor and would get people off Vogelbach's back," Hoyer was quoted as saying.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2481048-st-thomas-bobcats-300-lb-pitcher-ben-ancheff-is-the-stuff-legends-are-made-of
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Ron on May 31, 2015, 08:11:53 am
Moving up the Cub list quickly.  "This guy would be a heavy contributor and would get people off Vogelbach's back," Hoyer was quoted as saying.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2481048-st-thomas-bobcats-300-lb-pitcher-ben-ancheff-is-the-stuff-legends-are-made-of

Careful, Curt, those who are not fully attuned to your subtle wit might take this seriously and freak out.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 31, 2015, 09:38:20 am
Subtle?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on May 31, 2015, 10:16:52 am
Wit?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 31, 2015, 10:27:19 am
Dave, you and I are big guys and we would fill out a uniform better than that.  No way he's 300 pounds.  He's pushing 375.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on May 31, 2015, 11:23:57 am
Sounds like Jumbo whats-his-name with the Reds.  If one guy can do it at that weight, all guys will do it at that weight.

And I still weigh the same 135 pounds that I carried when I graduated high school.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 31, 2015, 11:30:30 am
Sounds like Jumbo whats-his-name with the Reds.  If one guy can do it at that weight, all guys will do it at that weight.

And I still weigh the same 135 pounds that I carried when I graduated high school.
Me too.  Most of it multiplied.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 31, 2015, 11:46:42 am
Dave, you and I are big guys and we would fill out a uniform better than that.  No way he's 300 pounds.  He's pushing 375.

Looking at the photos, if his "real" weight is "only" 300 lbs, he must be 5'8" tall.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 31, 2015, 11:47:43 am
Agree: that's what I meant.  I know a number of guys pushing 300 that don't bulge like that.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 31, 2015, 11:58:13 am

If David Letterman called Terry Forster "The Fat Tub of Goo", what would he nickname Ben Ancheff?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL20VgJ7JM8



(http://www.gammonsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/terry-forster.jpg)



http://www.gammonsdaily.com/happy-birthday-terry-forster-the-fat-tub-of-goo/ (http://www.gammonsdaily.com/happy-birthday-terry-forster-the-fat-tub-of-goo/)

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on May 31, 2015, 01:26:13 pm
That dude is 400 if he's a pound.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on May 31, 2015, 02:25:12 pm
Me too.  Most of it multiplied.

Ok, I added a hundred pounds.  But the original 135 is still there.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on May 31, 2015, 04:20:19 pm
I weigh the same if not a little less than in high school.

I eat like a horse so I have to stay on top of it though.

If I didnt I'd have the potential to get fat.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 31, 2015, 08:36:46 pm
You have to put some weight on, Dusty, for Tough Enough.  I want to be manager!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 31, 2015, 08:55:31 pm
If we can get back to the draft topic for a second, latest rumors have Cubs focused on these two guys at #9.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6W3YJn6MSc
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on May 31, 2015, 09:00:26 pm
But can they play LF?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on May 31, 2015, 09:01:28 pm
Those days are almost over Curt.

Almost...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on May 31, 2015, 09:10:57 pm
But can they play LF?

Not sure about the other guy but Haystack Calhoun allegedly played free safety at U of Miami.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on May 31, 2015, 09:26:17 pm
They would have a terrific OBP.  They probably would get hit every time up, since they'd take up both batters' boxes.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 02, 2015, 02:26:36 pm
BA's final draft player ranking:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft-preview/


Names associated with the Cubs:

Bregman - 4

Cameron - 5

Fullmer - 6

Whitley - 7

Benintendi - 9

Clark - 10

Buehler - 12

Jay - 13

Kapriellian - 19

Happ - 24

Harris - 25
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 02, 2015, 02:51:12 pm
Here's McDaniel's latest on Aiken's medicals.

Upside it might not be horrible.  Downside, no one that knows is talking.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/brady-aikens-medicals-are-out-situation-is-still-cloudy/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 02, 2015, 04:22:18 pm
Law has Carson Fullmer at #43 in his new top 100. Law sees him as a reliever. Seems like he should be higher, even if a likely reliever.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 02, 2015, 04:27:56 pm
Law being Law.  Even if he is a reliever, he's a high leverage guy.  I have my doubts about Fulmer being a starter long term, but picking a closer at #9 in this draft wouldn't be a bad thing.  I doubt the Astros regretted picking Billy Wagner at #12 in 1993.  Stupid Brooks Kieshnick.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 02, 2015, 04:37:57 pm
Law being Law.  Even if he is a reliever, he's a high leverage guy.  I have my doubts about Fulmer being a starter long term, but picking a closer at #9 in this draft wouldn't be a bad thing.  I doubt the Astros regretted picking Billy Wagner at #12 in 1993.  Stupid Brooks Kieshnick.

Yeah, but Law is interesting because a bit out of the mold. Not a generic guy.

Would be fine with me if Cubs pick Fullmer. Go with the upside guy. Don't think he'll be there.

Don't think i've seen a recent Mock with Cubs taking Tucker. Maybe a better version of Billy McKinney? Chris Yellich?  Would take that too.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 02, 2015, 04:47:50 pm
How about the center fielder Whitley they have at 7?  Or the catcher Stephenson or whatever? 

CF and C seem to be two positions where we don't have real confident solutions, or depth of options, in view.  If Cubs believed in either of those guys, they certainly wouldn't suffer from redundancy. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 02, 2015, 04:58:21 pm
Hey, haven't you heard? Schwarber is going to catch for 7 seasons.

I wonder if we'll get something more definitive before draft. Think Schwarber popped up a couple days before draft as possible Cubs choice. Bryant we knew was in mix. Almora splattered all over the place. Baez was in mix.

No clue this time---so far.

I remember when we took Hayden Simpson, jim Callis on the broadcast was confused whether Simpson was a lefty or righty. Hope there is no confusion this time around.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 02, 2015, 05:49:23 pm
Hey, haven't you heard? Schwarber is going to catch for 7 seasons.

I wonder if we'll get something more definitive before draft. Think Schwarber popped up a couple days before draft as possible Cubs choice. Bryant we knew was in mix. Almora splattered all over the place. Baez was in mix.

No clue this time---so far.

I remember when we took Hayden Simpson, jim Callis on the broadcast was confused whether Simpson was a lefty or righty. Hope there is no confusion this time around.
No, he knows that Simpson's a righty now.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 02, 2015, 07:19:00 pm
No, he knows that Simpson's a righty now.

That was the entire problem.  Simpson was a lefty, but when Wilken drafted him as a righty, he felt he had better switch.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 02, 2015, 07:36:45 pm
Yeah, but Law is interesting because a bit out of the mold. Not a generic guy.

Would be fine with me if Cubs pick Fullmer. Go with the upside guy. Don't think he'll be there.

Don't think i've seen a recent Mock with Cubs taking Tucker. Maybe a better version of Billy McKinney? Chris Yellich?  Would take that too.

I like Law, but it seems like sometimes he takes controversial stances just to be controversial.

Tucker would be awesome.  I love lefties with sweet swings.

Whitley is a high risk, high reward type guy.  He doesn't seem to be a Cubs type pick.

This is the most interesting draft I've followed, just because of the lack of top end talent. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 02, 2015, 07:54:41 pm
McDaniel said several weeks ago that some consider Tucker a "low energy" type player who occasionally gets "passive" at the plate.

I wonder if Cubs will be keen on that type of player (if true) notwithstanding his offensive gifts, especially for HS guy harder to project. Seems like the guys they like early are more intense types. Low energy doesn't mean poor makeup but I wonder about the perception and the fit.

This second, kind of thinking Benintendi best fit for Cubs of guys who might still be there at #9.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 02, 2015, 07:55:05 pm
It obviously depends upon whether or not he is available, and also who else is available, but I would be quite happy if they ended up picking LHP Jay.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 02, 2015, 07:59:07 pm
I don't have anyone I'm really in love with so a bunch of guys would be fine with me.  The Cubs better picks under Theo seem to be the ones I initially hate, so hopefully I'm going to be PO'd on draft day.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 02, 2015, 08:04:35 pm
Of the six major mocks (BA, Law, Callis, Mayo, McDaniel, Rawnsley/SI), five have Jay going to Rockies at #3 and one to Twins at #6. And, highly likely Jay doesn't get past WSox at 8. So, you can probably forget about Jay to Cubs---let's see if anything changes in the final mocks.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 02, 2015, 10:55:13 pm
I like that this year's draft will mostly be a surprise to me because I really haven't spent much time on it at all because the Major League team is above .500 and is finally interesting again.

I still think they'll take a hitter.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 02, 2015, 11:01:22 pm
Yeah, looking forward to picking #26 and giving less scrutiny to guys getting picked in top 10 by other clubs.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 03, 2015, 11:04:38 am
http://www.fangraphs.com/scoutboard.aspx?type=0&pos=all&sort=0,a

McDaniel came out with a sortable draft board that looks really cool.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 03, 2015, 05:15:09 pm
Draft chat:

Quote
Michael Caldwell (Madison, Indiana): Hey Mr. Manuel, I'm hearing rumors that the Cubs could take Matuella or Kirby at 1.9 if they were willing to sign well under slot. Have you heard this, and what do you think about it?

John Manuel: I have not heard that, and I do not believe either player is in play in the first 10 selections. I don’t know as much as the Cubs do but those two guys didn’t separate themselves from the pack when they were healthy. Obviously there are bigger injury questions with Matuella than Kirby, who apparently will not pitch this weekend in super regionals, but Kirby also had a 4.5 BB per 9 IP ratio when he was healthy this year. Those guys don’t go out ninth overall, not usually, even for a deal.


http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/baseball-america-draft-chat-5/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 04, 2015, 03:08:14 am
A player the Cubs may have on radar, a 6-8 LH pitcher from an Illinois high school. Theo has watched him.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/mizzou-recruit-stands-tall-as-draft-prospect/article_d1e7aef6-0459-52d1-899f-9a580a6866d8.html
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 04, 2015, 09:54:19 am
Hudson sounds really interesting.  According to mlb.com write up he might jump into the supplemental first round so the Cubs may not get a shot at him with their second pick.  The only thing I worry about is calling him "projectable" and counting on the velocity increase.  More often it seems like the increased velocity never shows up, see Blackburn.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 04, 2015, 10:54:21 am
My son and I are back at Perfect Game in Atlanta this weeekend...I'll try to watch for any top prospects here these next 4 days...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: goblue007 on June 04, 2015, 11:06:35 am
Check out Antico in Atlanta, best pizza ever.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 04, 2015, 11:15:01 am
Keith Law new Mock today has Cubs picking Tyler Jay at #9.

Says Jay might go as high as #3 to Rockies. Benintendi to RSox at #7. Fullmer to WSox at #8.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 04, 2015, 11:16:39 am
Hudson sounds really interesting.  According to mlb.com write up he might jump into the supplemental first round so the Cubs may not get a shot at him with their second pick.  The only thing I worry about is calling him "projectable" and counting on the velocity increase.  More often it seems like the increased velocity never shows up, see Blackburn.

Sometimes increased velocity does show up.  See Concepcion.

Sometimes increased velocity doesn't help a bit.  See Concepcion.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 04, 2015, 11:28:34 am
Wasn't Concepcion throwing harder when the Cubs signed him and then he got sick and lost it?

I'm not saying the velocity never shows up, just counting on it makes me nervous.

Jay at #9 would be fantastic.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 04, 2015, 11:33:03 am
No.  Reports when he signed were that he was a curve ball control pitcher with a fastball occasionally topping at 93.  He immediately came down with Valley Fever, and afterwards was throwing in the 87 - 89 range at best for years.  Recent reports have him at 97.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 04, 2015, 11:36:42 am
I remember he threw harder, just didn't realize it had jumped that much.  He needs to cut down on the walks and he could get really interesting.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 05, 2015, 03:27:50 am
Benintendi and Arkansas are on ESPN 2 at 3:30 today to open the Super Regionals.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Ron on June 05, 2015, 09:08:01 am
Scout's final draft ranking.

http://www.scout.com/mlb/scouting/story/1552335-final-2015-mlb-draft-prospects-ranking-1-35?s=381&utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=150605_scoutingbaseball_3story%20(1)&utm_content=&spMailingID=22782844&spUserID=ODkxNDc4MzczMTkS1&spJobID=580436979&spReportId=NTgwNDM2OTc5S0
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 05, 2015, 09:32:57 am
The variance from one of these rankings to the next is fun, and reflects how similarly variant ranking may be from one club to another. 

Interesting that Ian Happ was in the discussion of top 5-15 range early in spring, seemed to kind of get forgotten, and now is reappearing back in that range in several of these lists/mocks.  Law seemed to mention him as a safer analog to Benintendi, with a safer swing and a longer track record.

I think we've been kind of bored because he's a 2B/corner-OF profile.  I wonder, though.  *IF* he actually can play a good 2b, I wonder if we should be overly bored with that?  Everything changes.  Optimistically speaking, it would be 2017 before a guy in his situation would be ready.  (And that's assuming he does well and actually ever does get ready....)  Right now we think we've got a surplus of infielders.  But, by then, who knows?  *If* Bryant sticks at 3rd and Schwarber doesn't end up in left, Happ might be VERY useful in left field.  Bryant will either be infield or outfield at that point; so if he's infield, LF is not exactly overloaded.  But if Bryant is outfield, then we're hardly overloaded at infield either.  *IF* Bryant moves to left, that would basically leave us with Russell, Castro, and Baez to cover the three infield spots, with Alcantara and LaStella as depth.  Two years from now, there are then all kinds of scenarios where a good-hitting Happ at 2B (assuming he can field it fine) could be useful.  Baez might never really make it as more than a decent utility guy.  Castro might be long-gone traded by then, or might be running on his 4th-in-5 .640-OPS seasons offensively.  Could well be that Russell will be at SS, Bryant won't be at 3rd, and manning both 2B and 3B between Baez, Castro, LaStella, and Alcantara will be not at all overloaded with professional hitters. 

*If* they think Happ will both hit AND play 2B satisfactorily, and *if* he actually was to do so, two years and beyond from now we might not regret having him. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 05, 2015, 11:39:34 am
BA latest Mock out today has Cubs passing on Benintendi, Happ, and Dillon Tate---and picking Jon Harris.

Cubs linked to him previously.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 05, 2015, 11:46:05 am
It was an odd mock.

1.) Tyler Stephensen, C  (everybody else is putting Swanson here)
2.) Dansby Swanson, SS
3.) Tyler Jay, LHP   (I have a hard time believing they would pass on Rogers)
4.) Brendan Rogers, SS
5.) Daz Cameron, CF (Signing bonus might be an issue or a ruse)
6.) Kyle Tucker, OF 
7.) Alex Bregman, SS (I can't believe he would fall this far)
8.) Carson Fulmer, RHP
9.) Jon Harris
10.) Dillion Tate, RHP (Phillies win the lottery.  I doubt the Cubs would pass on him.)
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 05, 2015, 12:52:06 pm
Here is the latest from McDaniel

-Aiken's medicals may not be as bad as rumored.  If true he could go somewhere between 8-12.
- His latest mini mock has Jay to to the Cubs.
- Ian Happ had a private work out at Wrigley.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-mock-draft-replacement-post/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 05, 2015, 01:32:29 pm
I'd be fine with Happ and even Cameron.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 05, 2015, 01:37:13 pm
Callis mock today has Benintendi to Cubs. Says Cubs targeting Benintendi and Happ, ahead of Jon Harris. Think that assumes usual top suspects are already off the board.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 05, 2015, 02:05:05 pm
Callis mock today has Benintendi to Cubs. Says Cubs targeting Benintendi and Happ, ahead of Jon Harris. Think that assumes usual top suspects are already off the board.

I think that Benintendi is a bit of a gamble but at nine you're already out of sure things.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 05, 2015, 02:17:59 pm
Manuel says he hears the Cubs are targeting pitchers, Callis says they're linked to more bats. Glad that's cleared up.

Sure sounds like the Red Sox might take Benintendi if they don't get Bregman.

Personally, I think Jay, Benintendi, or Fullmer might be my favs at the moment. Not sure what to make of Cameron who was a favorite to go 1/1 less than a year ago.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 05, 2015, 02:23:22 pm

- Ian Happ had a private work out at Wrigley.


That's pretty interesting, isn't it?

Guessing that Cubs scrutinized his infield abilities---has to be a big factor.  Positional flexibility, important to the brass, obviously.  Makes me think Happ is the fallback pick if the top rated guys are all gone at #9.  As I've said, saw his lefty swing, while I was sitting right behind home plate on a folding chair at the Cape, and very impressed.  No clue about his defense.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 05, 2015, 03:03:35 pm
I'd think that they are working him out this close to draft it would be interesting, but I'm not sure how many guys they do that with.

Happ would not be bad.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 05, 2015, 04:00:31 pm
That's pretty interesting, isn't it?

Guessing that Cubs scrutinized his infield abilities---has to be a big factor.  Positional flexibility, important to the brass, obviously.  Makes me think Happ is the fallback pick if the top rated guys are all gone at #9.  As I've said, saw his lefty swing, while I was sitting right behind home plate on a folding chair at the Cape, and very impressed.  No clue about his defense.

I don't think that any of those that have been linked to the Cubs would be a disappointment for me.

If you think that this draft is confusing, wait until next year, when they are picking way down at number 10 or 11.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on June 05, 2015, 05:20:39 pm
I don't think that any of those that have been linked to the Cubs would be a disappointment for me.

If you think that this draft is confusing, wait until next year, when they are picking way down at number 10 or 11.

If they sign a big free agent pitcher, they'll be drafting their first prospect somewhere in the 50's next year.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 05, 2015, 05:32:07 pm
I'd assume they do due-diligence workouts for a lot of guys who are willing. 

I'm also reminded of the Schwarber story that gets told all the time.  They always say how impressed they were with his self-confidence and profanity during his interview, and McLeod almost implies that's what won them over.  The scouting reports normally talk about the swing, the arm, the tools, but not so much about the personality.  But after Schwarber, Bryant, and Almora, I suspect the personality/confidence/poise factor is probably a very high value/priority.  I have no idea what kinds of personalities/poise/confidence profiles that the names have, but it surely factors.   

I'm pretty sure this team would have failed Vitters based on his interviews, even if they hadn't had cash for Wieters and even if they scouted Vitters tools as favorably as did Wilken.   
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 05, 2015, 05:39:19 pm
I've heard $$ mentioned as regards Cameron.  Is he wanting to go to school, really?  Or is that just inevitable since he's got Boras?  Not sure I understand how driving yourself out of the top ten benefits your bonus demands.  But, I'd also kind of think that *IF* the Cubs think he's very good, a top-5 guys, and *IF* his refusal to underslot pushes him down to us, that might perhaps be an advantage.  I know we've heard the "under slot and spend on pitchers later" buzz again.  But as always, *IF* you can win with your first round pick, you've usually won your draft, and if you don't win with your 1st rounder, most likely you won't win with your overall draft either.  To my limited understanding, Cameron is a CFer, which is exactly what would fit us best.  And I think he's a pretty mature, all-around balance player, even if no tool is amazing.  The profile of a balanced, all-around baseball player who lacks any amazing speed/arm/power tool, but is pretty good at everything, that seems to well fit the Almora profile that the Cubs like.  Wouldn't surprise at all.  (Obviously if you scout him as #15 and player/Boras expect #6 $$$, that makes no sense.) 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 05, 2015, 07:06:07 pm
I've heard a rumor that the Astros might be looking to do something to get Cameron at a latter pick. I don't know what the Cubs slot value is, but rumor is Cameron wants $5 million and that is likely well past what the Cubs could do.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 05, 2015, 07:18:40 pm
So he's a high school kid who will take 3+ years to develope with no outstanding tools who wants a ton of money?

That's definitely the player I want.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on June 05, 2015, 07:24:41 pm
I'm pretty sure this team would have failed Vitters based on his interviews, even if they hadn't had cash for Wieters and even if they scouted Vitters tools as favorably as did Wilken.

One more reason to think highlhy of the Theocracy,
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 05, 2015, 07:51:12 pm
... rumor is Cameron wants $5 million and that is likely well past what the Cubs could do.

$5 is about where the Cubs would max out.  If you go cheap at 8-10 as they've done and spend all your overslot, they could get to $5 or close.  Still be able to get slot selections in rounds 2-7.  But, that highlights my question; if a top-9 team like the Cubs has to sell out everything to be able to reach Cameron's price, where the strategic advantage in that for him?  Is he really saying he wants to go college if a top-9 team doesn't draft him, and is willing to really do so?  I assume the answer has to be yes, and that there could then be a real chance he won't sign.  Obviously he needs to be willing to go college, or else he'd not set his tag that high and not hire Boras, who needs college leverage to do his thing and may well play it out that way. 

But, obviously Cubs could also figure that he's saying $5, but will end up signing for $4.  Either way, as always it's a scouting deal.  *IF* the Cubs really believe he's another Almora, and that he's a top-4 guy who's going to be a winner, and who is way BPA better than their other options, they could easily justify going all-in on the BPA.  Let some good scouting and slot money do their work on rounds 2-7.  But the first guy is the real place where you should be able to get a good multi-year starter, if you scout it right and get a little lucky.   

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 05, 2015, 08:13:32 pm
Sometime they players will float a large bonus demand to get to a spot lower in the draft where they want to go.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 05, 2015, 08:21:26 pm
$5 is about where the Cubs would max out.  If you go cheap at 8-10 as they've done and spend all your overslot, they could get to $5 or close.  Still be able to get slot selections in rounds 2-7.  But, that highlights my question; if a top-9 team like the Cubs has to sell out everything to be able to reach Cameron's price, where the strategic advantage in that for him?  Is he really saying he wants to go college if a top-9 team doesn't draft him, and is willing to really do so?  I assume the answer has to be yes, and that there could then be a real chance he won't sign.  Obviously he needs to be willing to go college, or else he'd not set his tag that high and not hire Boras, who needs college leverage to do his thing and may well play it out that way. 

But, obviously Cubs could also figure that he's saying $5, but will end up signing for $4.  Either way, as always it's a scouting deal.  *IF* the Cubs really believe he's another Almora, and that he's a top-4 guy who's going to be a winner, and who is way BPA better than their other options, they could easily justify going all-in on the BPA.  Let some good scouting and slot money do their work on rounds 2-7.  But the first guy is the real place where you should be able to get a good multi-year starter, if you scout it right and get a little lucky.   



Cubs first round slot money is $3,351,000.  I doubt that they would be willing to go 1.649 million over slot to sign Cameron.

For that matter, even if they find an underslot prospect, it will be hard to save a substantial amount of slot money with that little to work with.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 05, 2015, 09:22:17 pm
Benintendi's Razorbacks clobbered Jon Harris and Missouri State 18-4. 

Benintendi homered, stole a base, and drew 3 walks, one intentional.

Harris gave up 8 runs on 9 hits in 5-2/3, fanning 3.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 05, 2015, 10:06:59 pm
With former Creighton Bluejay Pat Venditte making his debut today as a SRP, the Cubs worked out a switch pitcher Perez who according to him hit 94 left handed and 91 right handed.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: papa smurf on June 06, 2015, 06:07:20 am
IF they were to draft Cameron and then were unable to sign him would that be that bad of thing considering this draft.  Could they pick someone better in next years draft?  Where would they pick next year then? Is next years draft any deeper?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 06, 2015, 06:30:40 am
2016 is likely to be better.

They would pick 10th.

If they sign a free agent with compensation they would lose the pick.

The entire draft would be a waste and they could lose the pick next year so I would say no.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 06, 2015, 11:04:47 am
I thought about this earlier.  I think that there would be extreme pressure from MLB offices if they were to offer underslot money and not sign him, but if they offered slot money (3.5 million) or a little more, it would be hard for the MLB to get involved.

As far as losing the pick is concerned, that only happens if they sign a player with a qualifying offer, which is in their control.  And I am beginning to believe that they will not do so this winter.

I have no idea what next year's draft class looks like, but I am quite sure that our front office does, and can take that into consideration.

I think what it comes down to is if they think that they can sign their first choice this year for enough underslot to pick up a few good overslot players later in the first 10 picks.  That strategy seems to have worked well last year, but this year's first pick has a lot less slot money to work with.

But even if it isn't their actual strategy, at least it seems as if they wouldn't lose much if anything if they for some reason can not sign their first pick.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 06, 2015, 03:42:26 pm
2016 is likely to be better.

They would pick 10th.

If they sign a free agent with compensation they would lose the pick.

The entire draft would be a waste and they could lose the pick next year so I would say no.

If Cubs draft Cameron at #9 and fail to sign him, the compensation pick for failing to sign a Rule 4 pick is NOT subject to forfeiture. So, that pick (#10 next year, assuming all higher picks in 2015 sign) is protected. In other words, Cubs could sign Price or Zimmermann and keep the pick. Cubs would lose next highest pick.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 06, 2015, 03:46:20 pm
If Cubs draft Cameron at #9 and fail to sign him, the compensation pick for failing to sign a Rule 4 pick is NOT subject to forfeiture. So, that pick (#10 next year, assuming all higher picks in 2015 sign) is protected. In other words, Cubs could sign Price or Zimmermann and keep the pick. Cubs would lose next highest pick.

That's what I was thinking but wasn't sure about it.  Thanks for clearing it up, Reb.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 06, 2015, 04:20:14 pm
Learn something new everyday, but it would have been protected as a top 10 pick anyway.

Callis and McDaniel talked about it on a podcast for fangraphs this week.  They thought that no team would punt the pick on purpose. The only scenario they thought would be possible is if a draftee changed his demands after the draft.

Looking at McDaniel's ratings for the 2016 draft a lot of the top talent is pitching, so it may evaporate secondary to injuries. I believe some of the top pitchers had TJS this year.  The elite guys next year go 7 deep. So picking 10th you would get a better player, but your not likely to get an elite guy.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2015, 08:01:35 pm
(http://mlb.mlb.com/assets/images/1/8/4/128960184/cuts/draft_1280_y7lfv571_6xpflmx8.jpg)

With the 2015 MLB Rule 4 Draft less than 24 hours away, it's prediction time.  Make your prediction on who Theo/Jed/McLeod choose with the overall #9 pick.

I'm guessing Florida HS outfielder Kyle Tucker is still there at #9 and the Cubs pick him.   I'm also predicting that whomever the Cubs end up picking McLeod will claim they had him at #2 on their board after the player the D-Backs draft with the #1 overall pick.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 07, 2015, 08:06:57 pm
Brady Aiken

They'll claim he's #1 on their board.  😈

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: papa smurf on June 07, 2015, 08:11:20 pm
Walker Buehler  has great first year but then goes down in the 2nd year with TJS.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 07, 2015, 08:28:17 pm
Guessing Benintendi---and Cubs will emphasize that still love Almora and can't have enough up-the-miidle guys because they can play anywhere.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 07, 2015, 08:28:48 pm
I've been trusted with the name of the Cub's pick but I'm sworn to secrecy until after the pick.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 07, 2015, 09:26:41 pm
Benintendi.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: mO on June 07, 2015, 09:31:48 pm
Smith
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 07, 2015, 10:01:01 pm
Benintendi.
I've been trusted with the name of the Cub's pick but I'm sworn to secrecy until after the pick.

No problem.  You won't remember it that long.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 07, 2015, 10:09:10 pm
Fullmer
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: bitterman on June 07, 2015, 10:27:53 pm
If their comfortable with the medicals.. Aiken.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 07, 2015, 10:28:25 pm
My Aiken heart
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 08, 2015, 08:46:21 am
I've heard a rumor that the Astros might be looking to do something to get Cameron at a latter pick. I don't know what the Cubs slot value is, but rumor is Cameron wants $5 million and that is likely well past what the Cubs could do.

Callis and Mayo continue to have that rumor.  Not sure how interesting Cameron is, or how serious the $5 ticket is.  But basically Cubs are about as deep as he could go and hope to get that, other than a special deal with Houston or Arizona, or possibly Colorado.  As we know from Schwarber last year, even with a severe under slot at #4, that still doesn't leave enough to spend $5 with your second pick.  So to want $5 either means a top-ten team, or somebody with multiple picks. 

To some degree Houston's deal with Aiken really works well for them.  Having the flexibility of having two very high picks really does enable them to do things that would otherwise be very, very difficult. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 09:56:10 am
Mocks so far
Callis- Trenton Clark
Mayo- Happ
BA-     Happ
McDaniel- pending
Law- pending

Callis will release another mock this afternoon.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 10:12:05 am
Sahadev Sharma ‏@sahadevsharma  4m4 minutes ago
The draft for the Cubs today is so murky, primarily because not even Cubs have a very clear idea of who will be available come pick no. 9

Sahadev Sharma ‏@sahadevsharma  3m3 minutes ago
I get the feeling they'd love it if Fulmer or Jay slipped, but that's looking unlikely, especially with Fulmer. Tate could be a wild card.

Sahadev Sharma ‏@sahadevsharma  3m3 minutes ago
They haven't ruled him out, but obviously the medicals are key here Sahadev Sharma added,
Jeff Long @BSLJeffLong
@sahadevsharma My bold prediction for the day is that Cubs take Aiken and slide some money to later picks.

Sahadev Sharma ‏@sahadevsharma  2m2 minutes ago
Benintendi, Daz, Happ & others I mentioned are possibilities. Happ's probably the only one who definitely gets to 9. Aiken probably as well
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 08, 2015, 11:32:46 am
I have to admit I totally don't get the Aiken inclusion.  He was a very nice HS arm in a weakish draft at the top, yes I get that.  The competition for 1/1 wasn't that perfect.  (Kolek, Rodon, and Aiken, all arms, two of them HS, and Rodon had some issues early on, too...)  So for him to be ranking ahead of Schwarber or Kolek or Goodwin or Kolek, that's fine but not necessarily generational-talent caliber.  The appeal was that there was seemingly nothing wrong with him, no red-flags (other than being a pitcher) in terms of velocity, control; delivery; frame or off-speed. 

But now, I don't see the value.  The TJ surgery, the issues that Houston saw, and most importantly the fact that TJ-survivors don't often come back with the same touch/control/command afterwards just takes both the safety and the upside away.  I totally don't see the risk/benefit value there. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Playtwo on June 08, 2015, 11:37:27 am
Cub picks from 4 guys on Bleacher Nation:

Brett: Daz Cameron. OF, Eagle’s Landing Christian School (Georga).
Luke: Mike Nikorak. RHP, Stroudsburg High School (Pennsylvania).
Luis: Brady Aiken. LHP, IMG Academy, Post-graduate (Florida).
Michael: Andrew Benintendi. OF, University of Arkansas.

http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/06/08/the-bleacher-nation-mini-mock-draft/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 11:44:01 am
I have to admit I totally don't get the Aiken inclusion.  He was a very nice HS arm in a weakish draft at the top, yes I get that.  The competition for 1/1 wasn't that perfect.  (Kolek, Rodon, and Aiken, all arms, two of them HS, and Rodon had some issues early on, too...)  So for him to be ranking ahead of Schwarber or Kolek or Goodwin or Kolek, that's fine but not necessarily generational-talent caliber.  The appeal was that there was seemingly nothing wrong with him, no red-flags (other than being a pitcher) in terms of velocity, control; delivery; frame or off-speed. 

But now, I don't see the value.  The TJ surgery, the issues that Houston saw, and most importantly the fact that TJ-survivors don't often come back with the same touch/control/command afterwards just takes both the safety and the upside away.  I totally don't see the risk/benefit value there. 

Aiken was a lefty that hit 97 with good control.  He's number 1 pick worthy in any draft that doesn't have a generational talent.  The draft last year was much stronger at top than this years.  Aiken, if healthy could be a #1 or 2 starter and would easily be the best pitcher in the draft.  The medicals are a huge question mark.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: chgojhawk on June 08, 2015, 11:58:24 am
If the medicals don't rule out Aiken I would take him and then go crazy in the international market (in the event Aiken doesn't work out.) 

It sounds like the Cubs are planning to spend quite a bit internationally so it would seem that 1.9 could be used on a high risk/high reward player.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 12:10:01 pm
I kinda lean towards Aiken if the medicals are ok.  He does not seem to be a Cubs type pick with such a low floor.  For every Giolito/Hoffman the draft is littered with Brownlie's and Grant Johnson's. 

Drafting somebody like Happ wouldn't be a bad pick.  His floor is maybe a  Zobrist type player that could play 2B/LF/3B, switch hits and could DH for AL games.  He won't provide Zobrist's defensive value, but he could be a big bench piece.  Jay would be my dream scenario.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 12:48:14 pm
Law's final mock has Benintendi, Clark, and Happ all gone before Cubs pick. But, has Jay still available and the Cubs pick.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 12:51:18 pm
My official guess is Happ because I have no frickin' clue.

Aiken would be a ballsy pick, though.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: jacey1 on June 08, 2015, 01:21:17 pm
Happ is my guess....maybe not my first choice, but still a good guy at 9
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 02:00:03 pm
McDaniel final mock also has Jay to Cubs.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 02:06:23 pm
Interesting that McDaniel and Law, who used to work togetger, have Trenton Clark going #4.

McDaniel also mentioned in his mock that Daz had a positive drug test for marijuana and the Astros taking him at #37 like Law.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 08, 2015, 02:10:41 pm
I wouldn't be unhappy with Jay.  Even if he doesn't make it as a starter, we could use a dominant lefty reliever that isn't a loogy.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: bitterman on June 08, 2015, 02:22:09 pm
Aiken for underslot... If Aiken succeeds great.. But you can hedge your bet if you save enough money and superslot someone later down the road.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 02:24:58 pm

McDaniel also mentioned in his mock that Daz had a positive drug test for marijuana.....

No---read his mock again. The positive drug test was Phil Bickford.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 02:27:31 pm
CubsFan_5 
Naperville, IL

This morning I woke up with a message saying the Cubs have had their team doctors meet with Aiken and they've had access to all his medical records. Now the rumors are starting to run that Aiken could be the guy. Honestly, I think he likely is because of his talent level and the fact that this is probably the last shot for the Cubs to land a talent like him.

This is from PSD.  He has talked about knowing scouts and some of his scouting info has been pretty interesting/confirmed later.  He has never put out anything like this before.  I'm not really sure what level of scout would know that the Cubs doctors have met with Aiken, though.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 02:37:41 pm
Maybe Aiken will be the pick, who knows, but inevitable that some blogger from Naperville or Peewaukee will claim inside dope while guys with actual legit contacts like BA, Callis, McDaniel, Mayo have no clue. This is the world we now live in. If Aiken is the pick, it will be the random luck of the blind squirrel from Naperville.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 08, 2015, 02:45:57 pm
Assuming there is nothing medical to worry about other than the typical TJ surgery, I would love to get Aiken if he would sign for about 2 million, leaving 1.5 million for later in the draft.  But I don't think he will sign for such a low sum.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 02:46:01 pm
I have zero clue if this correct, if it is it would seem something the Cubs would want to limit the access of information.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 03:14:04 pm
The Vanderbilt / Illinois game just started in Champaign.  Tyler Jay on the bump for the Illini.  No score with Illinois batting in the bottom of the 1st with men on first & second with one out.  Game is being televised on ESPN2 and available on espn360.com.

NCAA Gamecenter:  http://www.ncaa.com/game/baseball/d1/2015/06/08/illinois-vanderbilt (http://www.ncaa.com/game/baseball/d1/2015/06/08/illinois-vanderbilt)

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: DelMarFan on June 08, 2015, 03:15:58 pm
From the wild-ass guess department, I'll go with Aiken.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 03:21:40 pm
Oops!  Vandy is the home team in today's Super Regional game in Champaign.  The Illini score one so it's 1-0 Illinois after a half inning of play.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 03:40:34 pm
Zander Wiel with the first hit off of Tyler Jay.  An opposite field dinger to right.  First HR allowed by Tyler Jay this season.  Score now tied at 1 with Vandy still batting in the bottom of the 2nd.

http://www.ncaa.com/game/baseball/d1/2015/06/08/illinois-vanderbilt (http://www.ncaa.com/game/baseball/d1/2015/06/08/illinois-vanderbilt)

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on June 08, 2015, 03:50:05 pm
I think I'd be the happiest if the Cubs drafted Aiken and paid him a bonus that was slightly over slot. That would indicate to me that the Cubs and their medical staff like his odds for a full recovery from TJS.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 04:22:09 pm
Pre-draft jitters for Tyler Jay?  He yields his second HR of the game and only his 2nd of the season.  This time it's to Dansby Swanson. Game now tied at 2 heading into the top of the 5th.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 08, 2015, 04:24:25 pm
Pre-draft jitters for Tyler Jay?  He yields his second HR of the game and only his 2nd of the season.  This time it's to Dansby Swanson. Game now tied at 2 heading into the top of the 5th.


Either that or the Cubs curse.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 04:33:24 pm
Announcers saying there's a jetstream blowing out of the ballpark.  A factor?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 08, 2015, 04:36:21 pm
Maybe the fact that he's starting and his velocity is down as a result.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 04:37:35 pm
Not on the first HR, he hung a curve and it got clobbered.

Swanson's HR was hit hard to LF and I think the wind is blowing out to RF. Another hanging breaking ball as well. Vanderbilt is slightly better than Big 10 teams, even if the Big 10 was better this year.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 08, 2015, 04:54:31 pm
Either that or the Cubs curse.

You're an idiot.  The Cubs curse doesn't kick in until AFTER the draft.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 08, 2015, 04:58:17 pm
If I didn't have you on Ignor my feelings would be hurt.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 05:10:11 pm
Vanberbilt now leads 3-2 on a two out single by Bryan Reynolds driving in Dansby Swanson who led off the bottom 6th with a double.

Tyler Jay's line:  6  7  3  3  0  6

Vandy now batting in the 7th with Tyler Jay still pitching for the Illini.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 08, 2015, 05:21:02 pm
4-2 on a perfectly placed safety squeeze by Rhett Wiseman...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 05:43:15 pm
 I've liked what I've seen of Rhett Wiseman in the 5 or 6 Vandy games I've watched.  I think he'll be a good pro player.  Baseball America has him ranked #88 in this year's draft prospects.

The Illini threatening in the 8th, bases loaded with one out.  Pat McInerney, a walk on and a product of Oak Brook Little League & Benet Academy with a sharp single giving him two hits on the day.  Pitching change now for Vandy.

Let's go Illini.  I love three games Super Regionals.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Ray on June 08, 2015, 05:50:44 pm
I think good chance it's Aiken or matuella myself.  Think Cease looking like nice pick helps in decision, if only a lil.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 05:53:01 pm
Kiley McDaniel just said in his chat that he's been told Cubs will take Trenton Clark if he's still on the board.  Seems like good chance he'll be gone (me).
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 06:02:55 pm
Vandy wins 4-2 and moves on to Omaha just as the MLB Draft comes on the MLB Network.  Good timing.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: goblue007 on June 08, 2015, 06:07:04 pm
Tucker, Happ or Aiken plz
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 08, 2015, 06:16:11 pm
Darn.  I was hoping that Dansby Swanson would fall to us.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 08, 2015, 06:19:11 pm
Darn.  I was hoping that Alex Bregman would fall to us.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 08, 2015, 06:26:57 pm
Darn.  I was hoping that Brendan Rodgers would fall to us.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 06:30:58 pm
That's already getting old.

I guess there's a reason you have almost 9000 posts though.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 06:33:28 pm
JJ Cooper on Twitter is giving out the picks early.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 08, 2015, 06:34:02 pm
Sorry, Corey.  I didn't realize that you were so strongly against meaningless posts.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 06:39:50 pm
Im glad Houston just took Tucker.

I dont want a high school kid.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 06:42:37 pm
Daz Cameron going to Twins. Benintendi, Fulmer, Jay, Clark, Happ or Aiken will be around for the Cubs.

Edit: Haymen tweeted they are taking Jay.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 06:45:31 pm
Jay to the Twins.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 06:46:43 pm
Guessing Benintendi to Sox, Fulmer to White Sox. Leaves Clark, Happ or Aiken for the Cubs.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 06:47:48 pm
Cooper was batting 1.000 until he had Cameron to the Twins.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on June 08, 2015, 06:48:15 pm
Assuming White Sox take Fulmer, Cubs will take whichever one of Benintendi/Clark the Red Sox don't.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 06:48:43 pm
He is usually spot on with the early tweets. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 06:51:16 pm
Unfrozen Caveman Baseball bone marrow donor.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 06:51:26 pm
The Red Sox take Benintendi.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 06:52:39 pm
Shut up, Harold, you are a tool.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 06:55:20 pm
Looking like the Twitter is saying Fulmer is going to the White Sox.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 06:57:29 pm
White Sox take Fulmer.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 06:57:39 pm
No shock.

High Schooler with weird grip to the Cubs.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 06:58:06 pm
We're next.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 06:58:36 pm
OK, so, Happ?  Clark?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 06:59:54 pm
Clark and I cry a little.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 07:00:45 pm
Which means the pick will turn out excellent.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 07:01:57 pm
Happ it is.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 07:02:21 pm
Happ it is.

They announced him as an outfielder.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 07:02:48 pm
Please be able to play second.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 07:03:30 pm
Ladies and gentlemen, Ben Zobrist 2.0.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 07:03:57 pm
Im just glad they drafted a college kid.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 07:05:00 pm
Screw pitchers!  Gimme them hitters!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Boris From Downunder on June 08, 2015, 07:05:01 pm
Cubs are no longer Happless.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 07:05:24 pm
Cubs are no longer Happless.

Niiiice!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 07:05:55 pm
Nice thing is he hit well at the Cape.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 07:08:05 pm
Now here comes a 500 word post about Happ.

Maybe even a few of them.

I guarantee it.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 07:09:17 pm
Should have drafted the Stephenson kid so they'll have a catcher ready when they accept that Schwarber can't catch in the big leagues. [/crossthread]
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 08, 2015, 07:09:39 pm
Ian Happ - 2B

An under-valued outfielder that delivers on a consistent basis. That’s a pretty good description of Ian Happ. Happ does a lot of things right, he draws walks, steals bases, plays solid defense and has a real good idea what he is doing at the plate. Cincinnati has never produced a first round draft pick and that will end this year. Happ is a guy that can change the game offensively. You have heard about guys carrying teams, well he is a guy that can certainly do that. Playing on a Bearcat team that does not win often, he is the guy that changes a culture. His speed plays up and he routinely shows great pop mostly from the left-hand side. He’s played some infield but profiles as a left field. He shows good instincts in the outfield.

Scouting grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 50 | Run: 50 | Arm: 55 | Field: 55 | Overall: 55

 Cincinnati JR 2B/OF Ian Happ: above-average to plus speed; above-average to plus arm; strong; chance for plus hit tool; average to plus power upside; could also play 3B, SS, or OF; good range; good athlete; pretty swing; strong; not an infielder for everybody, but I see no reason why you wouldn’t want to try; “switch-hitting Michael Brantley with the chance to stick in the dirt” was how one contact put it; also reminds me some of Ben Zobrist; 6-0, 200 pounds
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 07:10:02 pm
Nice thing is he hit well at the Cape.

Thanks for pointing out jj cooper twitter. Cool.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 07:10:24 pm
Some are saying on Twitter that Happ, especially in Wrigley, might be able to play CF. That could make him really interesting.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 07:11:50 pm
I really like the Happ pick, despite the UC connection.

He was one of the few guys that I looked at leading up to the draft.  His bat is very advanced.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 08, 2015, 07:14:02 pm
Happ has a weird running gait.

http://m.mlb.com/video/v37009069/draft-report-ian-happ-college-of2b
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 08, 2015, 07:17:12 pm
http://www.d1baseball.com/features/golden-spikes-spotlight-ian-happ/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 07:17:24 pm
McDaniel put his 75% projection at .280/350/.465.
 

Hit 20/50+
Game Power 20/50+
Raw Power 55/55
Speed 55/50+
Field 40/45
Arm  50+/50+

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Ron on June 08, 2015, 07:17:37 pm
Happ has a weird running gait.

http://m.mlb.com/video/v37009069/draft-report-ian-happ-college-of2b

?????
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: ticohans on June 08, 2015, 07:20:12 pm
I like the Happ pick. Aiken is sexy, but the risk there is huge, and an advanced college bat can move quickly. The "does everything well but nothing outstanding" profile is frequently undervalued. No one else fell - Happ seemed the obviousove, given all the reports at hand.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 07:25:40 pm
Happ fits the profile of a Theo and Jed pick.

Im glad they drafted a college kid as well even if he is only a Brantley/Zobrist type.

Daz Cameron or Brady Aiken dont seem anywhere near as safe.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 08, 2015, 07:28:16 pm
Will be interesting what the Cubs do with him positionally. 
1.  Can't put all of Schwarber, Bryant, Happ, McKinney, and Jiminez in LF! 
2.  Presumably just BPA.  But might selection of a guy with his profile reaffirm that management does NOT anticipate either Bryant OR Schwarber ending up in left.  (No, that's dumb thinking on my part.)
3.  Many of the media things don't project him for 2B.  But, none of the media projected Schwarber for catcher; many projected Bryant for OF; and very, very few projected Baez for SS.  Perhaps Happ will be another, whether 2B or CF, who the Cubs play higher on the defensive spectrum than the media assumes? 

-OK, that's all stupid.  BPA, don't expect a #9 pick in a weak draft to start anywhere, and don't be thinking positional blocking or anything.  Or read anything into it other than that he might be a good hitter. 

4.  I wonder if he might be somewhat under slot? 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 08, 2015, 07:32:36 pm
Not an exciting pick, but we look at the offense we've had for the last ten years and I always feel we're short on hitters.  A good hitter, if he can become that, would be very, very welcome.  Hopefully reb and the scouts are right and he'll become that. 

The weird thing with Zobrist isn't that he can play multiple positions.  It's that he's GOOD at all of them, defensively.  So I'm not that fond of the Zobrist analogy for a guy who isn't being strongly profiled as a 2B or 3b or CF in the first place because he doesn't project to be Good at any of those positions on the top half of the spectrum.  . 



Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 07:34:50 pm
Happ has a weird running gait.

That may be a result of his hernia surgery?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 08, 2015, 07:36:00 pm
Happ's numbers at Cincy are eerily similar to Schwarber's at Indiana. For whatever that's worth which probably isn't much.

Strikes out a lot.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 07:37:28 pm
Now get some fun high school pitchers for the next 20 rounds or Isiah Gilliam.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 07:39:44 pm
Happ's numbers at Cincy are eerily similar to Schwarber's at Indiana. For whatever that's worth which probably isn't much.

Strikes out a lot.

Walks more (than he strikes out).
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 08, 2015, 07:41:44 pm
Not this year. He's at 49 apiece in 198 AB's. Hopefully, that patience will pay off because that is a ton of K's for a college hitter of high regard.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 08, 2015, 07:42:58 pm
Have to admit I'm hugely relieved not to have drafted Aiken or Clark. 

The odds of Aiken coming back with big-league control just seems so unlikely. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: ben on June 08, 2015, 07:45:03 pm
I agree with Dusty in that Happ fits the Theo/Jed/Jason 1st-round draft profile in that he:

* projects as a pure hitter (with power like Bryant and Schwarber, though not projected for Bryant/Schwarber-type power)

* high-character guy who is described as a great teammate (as the other three #1s)

* good academically (presumably smart AND a hard worker/great grinder as the other three guys)

* controls the strike zone (like Bryant, Schwarber) AND walks as much as Ks (like Schwarber)

* college performer as three of the four (only high-schooler Almora hasn't hit projections yet of the previous three)

I like the pick.  No obvious ace at #9.  We probably got a guy who will contribute to our offense...can't have enough offense these days or any days.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 07:48:01 pm
In his career he struck out 116 times against 128 walks.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 07:51:32 pm
Chance that Happ is that 3rd lefty impact bat in Cubs future lineup, which could be important.

Of course, want best guys out there irrespective of which side but, ideally, have nice mix of lefty/righty bats and even better to have a switch guy one of the three. So, could see Rizzo, Schwarber, Happ--with remaining righty bats.

Further, Cubs have ton of flexibility in infield. Gammons said on broadcast Cubs believe Happ can play infield. Hey, makes it easier to trade an infield guy, to trade McKinney for value, etc.

Guessing that a year from right now Happ is playing at AA. So, could be in picture soon.

Really cool to have seen Happ at the Cape. Knew about him and watched him closely one game. Games at the Cape are kind of like a high school setting---easy to bring a chair and sit right behind the screen, so got good look at him. He DHed game I saw---didn't see him on defense. Looks like a pro---jumps out at you.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 08, 2015, 07:53:55 pm
Quote
Gammons said on broadcast Cubs believe Happ can play infield.

Well, sure. Does anyone else believe it though? Obviously, his college team prefers him in the outfield.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 07:55:34 pm
Yeah, the Happ Ks might be a concern. Think worth watching going forward.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: goblue007 on June 08, 2015, 07:56:03 pm
You don't seem to enamored with Happ, Chris
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 07:57:25 pm
Well, sure. Does anyone else believe it though? Obviously, his college team prefers him in the outfield.

That was reported to be because of the hernia surgery he had earlier this year.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 07:58:02 pm
Well, sure. Does anyone else believe it though? Obviously, his college team prefers him in the outfield.

Let's see what Cubs say about his positional future.

Sure they wouldn't mislead us about that.  :D
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 08, 2015, 07:58:36 pm
Happ's numbers at Cincy are eerily similar to Schwarber's at Indiana. For whatever that's worth which probably isn't much.

Strikes out a lot.

Yeah, those are very big K-numbers.  Wow.  I'd assumed he was more of a contact guy.  We'll see, I guess.  Definitely a concern.  But, maybe part of that is the price of patience, too. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 08:00:43 pm
But I sure dont see "impact bat" when I see Happ though.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 08, 2015, 08:02:21 pm
That was reported to be because of the hernia surgery he had earlier this year.

Yeah, that's what I was wondering about.  We'll see, I guess. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 08:03:46 pm
But I sure dont see "impact bat" when I see Happ though.

What would you project him at?

Happ's K% this year is under 20%.  The Cubs don't seem to fear K's as much as some here.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 08:05:34 pm
Kind of surprised that we're 20 picks in and RHP Jon Harris is still on the board.  Any scuttlebutt on why he's dropped?  Did his bad start versus Arkansas in the Super Regional cause his stock to drop so much?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 08, 2015, 08:05:53 pm
I'm sure the Cubs will have loved Happ and will say so.  But I've got the feeling that had any of the 6 college guys that went ahead of them been available, they might have taken one of those guys over Happ.  Jay, Fulmer, Tate; Benintendi, Swanson, Bregman, I kind of thing they might have taken one of those guys.  But, that's life when you're not drafing top-6 anymore. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 08, 2015, 08:09:39 pm
You don't seem to encamped with Happ, Chris

I don't have an opinion yet. His stats look as good as Schwarber's but the watchers don't make him out to have Schwarber's bat. Some say he's not real good at anything but doesn't have a weakness; others are saying he just flat out hits. The K's worry me though.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 08:10:36 pm
Happ played two years at the Cape and had much better K/BB ratio the second year. Talked to a couple Cape regulars about Happ last summer and said he got better. Have read he's very coachable, so may take well to better instruction. Also, can't dismiss he played a bit hurt Jr. season at Cincy.

Guessing Cubs would have taken one of the top 3 arms if available? Probably should remember that when everybody says Cubs always keen on position guys first round.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 08, 2015, 08:15:37 pm
But I've got the feeling that had any of the 6 college guys that went ahead of them been available, they might have taken one of those guys over Happ.  Jay, Fulmer, Tate; Benintendi, Swanson, Bregman, I kind of thing they might have taken one of those guys. 

Yep. I was thinking Jay, Benintendi, Fullmer, and then they all go right in front of the Cubs. Be very interesting to see if the Cubs say where they had Happ ranked on their board.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 08:21:13 pm
Guessing that Cards about to draft Michael Wacha with this pick.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 08:23:08 pm
Cooper is saying Nick Plummer for the Cards.

Harris must have a medical concern?  McDaniel says Buehler's arm action makes him easy to pick and down grades his stuff.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Playtwo on June 08, 2015, 08:25:31 pm
Happ has 14 HRs in 198 ABs with an OBP of .492 (OPS 1.16).  Seems like there is a chance he could be an impact bat.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 08, 2015, 08:27:44 pm
Quote
9. Chicago Cubs: OF Ian Happ, Cincinnati
Callis: Teams are always looking for college position players and he was next on most boards behind Swanson, Bregman and Benentendi. I don't know if the Cubs are going to try him at second base -- he fits better at a corner outfield spot -- but he's been one of the best performers in college baseball and the Cape Cod league the last two years.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 08:30:22 pm
Carrie Muskat ‏@CarrieMuskat  17m17 minutes ago
#Cubs McLeod: "We definitely feel there's strength there and he's a guy who can run into 15 home runs plus and hit for a high average"

Carrie Muskat ‏@CarrieMuskat  17m17 minutes ago
#Cubs McLeod says @ihapp_1 worked out at Wrigley last week and was hitting home runs into seats from both sides of plate

Carrie Muskat ‏@CarrieMuskat  28m28 minutes ago
#Cubs McLeod says @ihapp_1 very versatile and will let it play out as to where he ends up professionally

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 08:37:32 pm
Angels Orioles just drafted this year's version of Kyle Schwarber.  D. J. Stewart, outfielder from Florida State.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 08:39:05 pm
Kind of a fun piece with Happ and The Mayor.

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/7417714/v141413083/sean-casey-sits-down-with-top-prospect-ian-happ/?query=ian%2Bhapp
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 08:40:01 pm
Cubluejays- Happ didnt hit for a ton of power in college by any means and you know he's gonna hit for even less with wooden bats and better competition.

McLeod himself projected him as a 15 HR a year hitter and at 6'0  200 lbs his frame doesnt say much more either.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 08, 2015, 08:45:41 pm
Can't ever complain with taking a good hitter in the first round.  Very Theo like pick.  Nice job, Cubs.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 08:47:53 pm
27 picks in and college RHPs Jon Harris & Kyle Funkhouser are both still on the board.  Somewhat surprising both are still there.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 08:53:04 pm
27 picks in and college RHPs Jon Harris & Kyle Funkhouser are both still on the board.  Somewhat surprising both are still there.



And, injured guys Kirby and Matuella still on board through #28.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on June 08, 2015, 09:00:14 pm
Kind of a fun piece with Happ and The Mayor.

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/7417714/v141413083/sean-casey-sits-down-with-top-prospect-ian-happ/?query=ian%2Bhapp

Based solely on that video, he seems to have very good makeup and very high baseball intelligence.

The anti-Vitters.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 09:15:47 pm
Kind of a fun piece with Happ and The Mayor.

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/7417714/v141413083/sean-casey-sits-down-with-top-prospect-ian-happ/?query=ian%2Bhapp

The Mayor?   I didn't see Fred Hoiberg in that video.   ;D

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 09:17:17 pm
Based solely on that video, he seems to have very good makeup and very high baseball intelligence.

The anti-Vitters.

Yeah, that was my impression too.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 09:17:57 pm
So Kyle Funkhouser has Scott Boras as his 'advisor'.  That explains some of his drop.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 09:19:50 pm
Same with Cameron.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 09:22:01 pm
Looking back now I bet Brady Aiken doesnt feel too great about life.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 09:23:45 pm
I'd hate to be 19 and get $2 million. Life is rough for him.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on June 08, 2015, 09:24:13 pm
Should have drafted the Stephenson kid so they'll have a catcher ready when they accept that Schwarber can't catch in the big leagues. [/crossthread]

Wilson Contreras,
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on June 08, 2015, 09:25:40 pm
Now here comes a 500 word post about Happ.  Maybe even a few of them.  I guarantee it.

Why would a Cub fan NOT want more information about Happ?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 09:27:56 pm
Looking back now I bet Brady Aiken doesnt feel too great about life.

Yeah, playing in Cleveland is not much better than Houston.



Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 08, 2015, 09:38:44 pm
Looking at the HR leaders in college baseball I see that the kid that lead the country only had 19 so Happ's 14 looks a little better.

As far as Aiken goes I didnt realize he had been drafted yet until now.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on June 08, 2015, 09:38:50 pm
Guessing that a year from right now Happ is playing at AA. So, could be in picture soon.

I am guessing that as with Schwarber, Happ signs very quickly and underslot, appearing in a minor league uniform far earlier than most draft picks.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 08, 2015, 09:40:16 pm
Happ is expected to be in Iowa's line up tomorrow night.  The only possible problem is getting a plane to Des Moines.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 08, 2015, 09:46:12 pm
Cameron to Houston at 37...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 09:53:04 pm
Cameron to Houston at 37...

Hilarious that the team with the third best record in all of baseball gets a 'competitive balance pick'.  Same holds true for an organization that perennially fields a top team like St. Louis.  Maybe the next CBA should change that to "a lottery of the teams with the 10 worst records on June 1st".

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 09:54:50 pm
Juan Hillman would be fun in the second.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 09:57:19 pm
Matuella still there.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: aTm on June 08, 2015, 10:00:45 pm
That Astros competitive balance pick was acquired by the Astros in the Cosart trade. So it was given initially to the Marlins.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 10:06:44 pm
Donny Dewees, OF.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dihard on June 08, 2015, 10:08:15 pm
The mlb network guys seemed a bit surprised
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 10:09:15 pm
Warning to any organization that's considering drafting Cal State Fullerton RHP Thomas Eshlman:

He threw 140+ pitches in the Regional.  Threw 100 pitches two days ago and his coach brought him today for an inning and the save against Louisville. 



Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 10:09:46 pm
Astros took him right when he went into the game.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dihard on June 08, 2015, 10:09:55 pm
Well, at least he makes contact. Just 16 Ks in 60 games.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dihard on June 08, 2015, 10:10:52 pm
.340, .427 OPB at the Cape
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dihard on June 08, 2015, 10:11:48 pm
Sounds solid all-around, other than really questionable arm apparently
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 08, 2015, 10:12:28 pm
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/67565098/v82575483/draft-report-donnie-dewees-college-outfielder
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 10:12:44 pm
2014 Cape  .340/.430/.473
2013 Cape  .321/.395/.526
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on June 08, 2015, 10:14:54 pm
Donnie Dewees = Brett Gardner?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 08, 2015, 10:15:48 pm
18 HRs, 16 Ks in 251 ABs...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 10:16:13 pm
That Astros competitive balance pick was acquired by the Astros in the Cosart trade. So it was given initially to the Marlins.

Oay but that doesn't excuse the MLB Draft policy for giving a 'competitive balance pick' to the Cardinals who are a perennial good team that has the best record in baseball right now.  Like I said, a better program would be take the 10 to 12 teams with the worse W-L records on June 1st and have a lottery for those six 'competitive balance' slots.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 08, 2015, 10:16:38 pm
Very interesting.  I'd forgotten about him.  I like that pick a lot. 

Good to add a CF possibility to the system.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: chgojhawk on June 08, 2015, 10:17:03 pm
Based on what I read he seems at least as interesting than Happ. Sounds like a possible lead off man. The negative is that he has an arm like Juan Pierre.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 10:21:10 pm
From Fangraphs

Hit                20/50
Game Power  20/45+
Raw Power    50/50
Speed          65/65
Field            50/55
Arm             30/30         
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 08, 2015, 10:27:22 pm
He's really old.  He'll turn 22 before the season is over. 

Happ is very young, younger than sophomore Benintendi.  He won't turn 21 till very late in the season. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on June 08, 2015, 10:28:58 pm
I hope the Cubs can underslot both of their pure vanilla, we can't accept ANY downside risk picks today, then throw caution to the winds and draft some high-ceiling pitchers tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dihard on June 08, 2015, 10:29:46 pm
From a Mets writer who had pegged him as a possible pick at 53:

I’m not in love with his swing. He’s a little too busy, and he has one of those weird toe taps where he points his front foot inward, but Dewees has some incredible bat control, and he actually led the nation in base hits this season. Unfortunately, in part because of his weird swing, he doesn’t really get his lower body involved enough, so his power potential is limited despite some natural strength. Instead he mostly just throws his hands at the ball, but some excellent hand-eye coordination, to go along with quick wrists and a selective approach at the plate, gives him an uncanny ability to put bat to ball. He also brings plus speed to the table.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on June 08, 2015, 10:29:58 pm
at 6'0  200 lbs his frame doesnt say much more either.

Bonds was 6'1" 185

Aaron 6'0" 180

Ruth 6'2" 215

Arod 6'3" 225

Mays 5'10 170

Griffey 6'3" 195

Thome 6'4" 250

Sosa  6'0"  165

Robinson 6'1"  183

Gehrig  6'0"  200

McCovey 6'4" 198

Thomas  6'5"  240

Williams  6'3"  205

Banks 6'1  180

Matthews  6'1"  190

Ott  5'9"  170

Sheffield  5'11"  190

Murray  6'2"  190

McGwire  6'5"  215

Killebrew  6'0"  200

Palmeiro  6'0"  180

Jackson  6'0"  195

Ramirez  6'0"  225

Schmidt   6'2"  195

Mantle  5'11"  195

Pujols 6'3"  230

Foxx 6'0"  195

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 10:36:04 pm
I wasn't expecting too much with the second round pick, considering their recent track record, but Dewees seems like a more polished Jacob Hannemann on the surface.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 08, 2015, 10:45:41 pm
http://web.usabaseball.com/article.jsp?ymd=201500512&content_id=123922938&vkey=news_gsa
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dihard on June 08, 2015, 10:46:01 pm
Jack Wilson made the Pirates pick, and Johnny Damon made the Royals. I didn't realize either of them had retired
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 08, 2015, 10:46:47 pm
Do the Cubs pick again tonight?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 08, 2015, 10:48:31 pm
Hearing the concerns of Chris earlier, the Cubs second round pick had more homers than strikeouts this season.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 08, 2015, 10:49:24 pm
Do the Cubs pick again tonight?

Nope.  Next pick is 82 in the third round.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 08, 2015, 11:05:34 pm
Thanks, BlueJay
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 08, 2015, 11:13:43 pm
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2    47    Cubs    Donnie Dewees    OF    North Florida    FL    

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Scouting

Scouting Report:

Dewees was a three-sport star at Crystal River (Fla.) High and earned all-district honors in football and soccer. He was somewhat unheralded in baseball but has done nothing but hit since arriving at North Florida. After an all-conference freshman year, a wrist injury sidelined him for most of the next season and he took a medical redshirt. He returned in time to play in the Cape Cod League, where he was named to the all-star team. He has taken his performance to another level this spring and entered the final weekend of the regular season on a 29-game hitting streak and batting .438/.498/.763 with 15 home runs and 20 stolen bases. He led the country with 96 hits, ranked second in slugging and third in hitting. While North Florida's home ballpark is known for being hitter-friendly, Dewees has established solid credentials as a hitter. He has a compact swing, good bat-to-ball skills and a feel for the barrel. He doesn't project as a power hitter in the professional ranks, but he can drive the ball to all fields and is a plus runner. He tracks down balls well in the outfield, but he has well-below average arm strength. That may mean he will move to left field at the next level, which would put more pressure on his bat. Because Dewees played in just 12 games last year, he has two years of eligibility remaining. He'll turn 22 in September, however, and will likely get drafted high enough to buy out his last two years of eligibility.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Ron on June 09, 2015, 07:32:07 am
Thanks for the info on Dewees.  He sounds very intriguing. Nice combination of hitting for solid contact and power (more HR than Ks, really?) as well as speed. I'm curious, is there any history of players improving significantly their arm strength, the one true weakness he seems to have?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Playtwo on June 09, 2015, 07:36:04 am
Within reason, arm strength is not a key factor in CF.  Range is much more important.  I doubt his arm will be a major problem.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: ticohans on June 09, 2015, 07:50:49 am
What a haul by the Stros. They couldn't have planned it any better. Wow.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 09, 2015, 08:07:26 am
They get rewarded for the crap they pulled last year.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 09, 2015, 08:13:59 am
Happ's favorable BB/K rate has been noted. 

I'd imagine the walks may drop in pros if teams aren't pitching around him as extremely.  (I think his OPS was .400+ higher than his team.) 

But perhaps he'll also get challenged a little more, and actually get as many or more good pitches to hit? 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 09:50:15 am
Happ in the Cape .329/.452/.503  25 BB/32SO   176 PA  (14.2 BB%/18.2% K%)

Some of the Second Day guys from Cubs Den

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2015/06/25-potential-cubs-targets-for-day-2/

Sands and Perez would be nice.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 09, 2015, 11:16:21 am
There are a hundred guys out there that I have never heard about, but this front office has.  But based upon the little knowledge I have, there are three guys that would make me happy in the third round.

1. Ryan Perez - you got to like a guy that can throw 94 mph right handed and 93 mph left handed.

2. Cole Sands - sounds like he has better stuff than his brother, although from the right side.  And with his brother already in the Cubs system, he might give a little home team discount.

3. Isiah Gilliam - he has been developing the power that the Cubs saw in him when they tried to overslot him a couple of years ago.  He is supposed to have a good relationship with the Cubs, but definitely would be an overslot signing.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 09, 2015, 11:36:59 am
I have never heard of most guys that'll go today but I expect the Cubs to take some college seniors in order to save some money and pick some prep pitchers to over-slot.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 09, 2015, 11:58:04 am
One of the questions will be how much cash the Cubs have available after their two selections yesterday.  I have no idea.

Dewees is an old codger, almost 22, so you'd think his leverage would be modest and that he'd have no interest in delaying his career till he's almost 23 and has absolutely zero leverage.  Plus for most of his career he's not been a guy expecting to be a top-10 since 10th grade or anything like that.  So, you'd think he'd be a modest sub-slot guy.  On the other hand, several of the draft mocks had been viewing him as a late 1st rounder, so it's not like paying him slot would necessarily be unreasonable. 

Happ is a super young junior.  But his tools-set doesn't really promise he's likely to improve to #1 or anything if he cam back, and it's not like he and his teammates fell just short of a College World series dream and want another chance to finish business or anything.  So he's certainly highly singable.  This is about as high as he was ever projected to go, so some sub-slot would seem very likely/possible.  On the other hand, this isn't far from where he was normally mocked, so it's not like slot would be shocking as would have been true with Schwarber, for example.  A modest but not enormous sub-slot seems likely? 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 09, 2015, 12:16:43 pm
Cubs third round pick is Bryan Hudson LHP from an Illinois high school.  He's a lanky kid at 6'7" tall.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on June 09, 2015, 12:16:50 pm
Cubs select HS LHP Bryan Hudson.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: papa smurf on June 09, 2015, 12:18:51 pm
Hudson said. “Having Theo Epstein at one of my games was pretty interesting; I only found out about it after the game he came to, but for him to come out was nice”
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 09, 2015, 12:19:22 pm
Swiped from NSBB:

Hudson's HS line: 70.1 IP, 34 H, 5 ER, 152 K, 29 BB
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 09, 2015, 12:20:31 pm
Padres nab Jacob Nix in the third round.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 12:21:28 pm
Just for JR, all 3 of the Cubs first picks were discussed. :)
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 12:35:15 pm
High upside HS signable lefty pitcher. What's not to like for a 3rd rounder.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 12:40:15 pm
McDaniels's grades

Bryan Hudson 79
FB 45/50+  (87-91 T93)
CB 50/55+
CH 40/45+
CMD 40/50

MLB 71
FB 60
CB 60
CH 50
CMD 50
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on June 09, 2015, 12:43:10 pm
Hudson sounds a lot like Sean Marshall.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 09, 2015, 12:55:53 pm
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/mizzou-recruit-stands-tall-as-draft-prospect/article_d1e7aef6-0459-52d1-899f-9a580a6866d8.html

Article that Chris had found last week.  Says he's likely to be >250 pounds when he's all grown up. 

Obviously the Cubs don't draft him if they don't know he fits their budget.  Made reference to having a "price", didn't care what round, just whether or not they make the price.  Obviously Cubs are willing.  Whether that price exceeds 3rd-round slot or not, who knows. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on June 09, 2015, 12:59:42 pm
Cubs select Darryl Wilson, LHH HS OF.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 12:59:46 pm
DJ Wilson, CF.  Vanderbilt commit.  Speed player, lefty swing.

Fangraphs
Hit 20/45+
Game Pwr 20/40
Raw Pwr   45/45
Speed      60/60
Field         50/55
Arm         45/45
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 09, 2015, 01:00:19 pm
Wilson lists as 5'8".  The Anti-Hudson. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 09, 2015, 01:27:56 pm
Stocking up on center-fielders, I think. 

Get a HS center fielder with speed but no power and modest arm. 

Get a college center fielder with speed but no power and modest arm.

Maybe go after the Cuban guy to round it out, another CFer with both speed and arm? 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on June 09, 2015, 01:38:51 pm
Cubs select Ryan Kellogg, college LHP.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 01:39:01 pm
Ryan Kellog, LHP, Arizona State.  He was a stud as a freshman.

FB 45/45+ (87-91, T92)
CB 40/45+
CH 50/55
CMD 40/50
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 09, 2015, 01:50:30 pm
With Hudson and Kellogg, we're pretty solid down low...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 01:58:33 pm
Ryan Kellog, LHP, Arizona State.  He was a stud as a freshman.


Kellogg was 11-1 as a freshman but only 54 Ks in 103 IP. Not too exciting there.

This year, 92 Ks in 115 innings.

Pitched over 100 innings all three seasons at AZ State. Maybe Phil knows something about him.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 02:08:21 pm
He threw harder as a frosh.  Including a no hitter.  He lost velocity as a sophmore.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 09, 2015, 02:09:28 pm
Kellog sounds like a future LH bullpen guy to me.  Hopefully he'll be more James Russell than Erik Jokisch or Chris Rusin.

I'd guess Wilson would need seven figures or something close to get him away from Vanderbilt, but we wouldn't have drafted him in the 4th round if we didn't know we could sign him. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 09, 2015, 02:10:51 pm
He threw harder as a frosh.  Including a no hitter.  He lost velocity as a sophmore.

Maybe they can clean up his mechanics and add some MPH? /graspingatstraws
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 02:14:47 pm
Maybe they can clean up his mechanics and add some MPH? /graspingatstraws

He's a 5th round pick, chances he ever makes it to the majors is low.  He's got 4 pitches and could be a BOR starter, for the 5th round that is a decent pick.  It is nice to not take soft tossing lefty or college 2B prospect with no power in the second round any more.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on June 09, 2015, 02:30:31 pm
Cubs select Dave Berg, college senior RHP.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 02:30:47 pm
David Berg, RHP, Submarine righty reliever.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 09, 2015, 02:32:13 pm
Submarine righty reliever Dave Berg out of UCLA.

Darren O'Day comparisons on the draft webcast.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 09, 2015, 02:32:24 pm
We're getting to the part of the draft where the Cubs normally take cheaper players to save for the overslots.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 02:34:48 pm
He threw harder as a frosh.  Including a no hitter.  He lost velocity as a sophmore.

Don't think he threw harder as a freshman. The velocity spike came after his frosh season---during fall 2013 scrimmages. See BA 2014 pre-season preview.

Think that velocity spike did not continue from fall scrimmages to 2014 season. But, K rate improved somewhat from 54 to 66 Ks in 103 IP.

Then, 92 Ks in 115 IP as Jr. More homers, however.

This is a guy with an impressive 3-year college performance.

Given his increased Ks (but more homers), what ye say about his x-FIP and ERA- ?   :D
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2015, 02:38:58 pm
Cubs select Dave Berg, college senior RHP.


If he has a little Junior Lake in him, this logo would fit:


(http://www.viennabeef.com/filebin/images/brands/davidBerg.jpg)

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 02:42:24 pm
Don't think he threw harder as a freshman. The velocity spike came after his frosh season---during fall 2013 scrimmages. See BA 2014 pre-season preview.
Given his increased Ks (but more homers), what ye say about his x-FIP and ERA- ?   :D

I heard it was frosh.  Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. 

Well it would improve his xFIP, but honestly I don't look at that stuff for non-MLB players.  It is more about scouting for me in the minors/college/high school.  :D

Some stats for high level prospects I'll follow, like Baez and contact rate. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 02:46:00 pm
Of course, just kidding. Good stuff here.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 02:57:08 pm
Berg is kinda interesting to me.  He might move quickly.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 09, 2015, 03:01:32 pm
Berg is kinda interesting to me.  He might move quickly.

Or he could spend a lifetime in the minors because he doesn't light up the radar gun despite getting people out.  I hope he moves quickly because it sounds like low minors hitters wouldn't have a chance against him from what the webcast guys said.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 03:09:04 pm
I saw one of his games.  A lot of movement on his pitches.  The velocity is low, but he could be a 6-7th inning guy.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 09, 2015, 03:13:36 pm
Another senior sign guy for the Cubs Catawba College RHP Craig Brooks.  He played third base and pitched in college and projects as a reliever.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 09, 2015, 03:24:11 pm
Are they saving for somebody later?  Or is this all for the little Vandy slap hitter? 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 03:26:54 pm
They haven't started this early with senior signs for some time.  Maybe they are shooting for a 11th round guy and the lefty and slap hitter.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 09, 2015, 03:28:00 pm
Are they saving for somebody later?  Or is this all for the little Vandy slap hitter? 

The speculation on the webcast was that it was to keep the kid from Canton away from Vandy.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 09, 2015, 03:32:18 pm
The speculation on the webcast was that it was to keep the kid from Canton away from Vandy.

Interesting.  The kid looks tiny, and in the brief clip I saw he looked like a Greg Maddux-wannabe as a hitter.  Maybe I needed to see more than two swings to fully appreciate his hitting potential! 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 03:36:35 pm
Pick 6  $281,900
Pick 7  $211,300

Senior signs are usually $10,000 or under.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2015, 03:36:52 pm
Are they saving for somebody later?  Or is this all for the little Vandy slap hitter? 

Ro Coleman from Simeon HS in Chicago?  He's only a sophomore and he won't turn 21 until late November so he's not draft eligible.



Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 03:45:23 pm
DJ Wilson is a Vanderbilt commit.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 09, 2015, 03:53:53 pm
Another college senior TCU Preston Morrison "pitchability righty."
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 04:06:00 pm
The Cubs drafted Kyle Hendricks, YES.   (purple impaired)
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 04:09:57 pm
Piece about Preston Morrison from this weekend.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article23457333.html
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 04:15:53 pm
Assuming 6-10 are senior signs for $10,000 that saves $932,200

5% overage  $361,805

$1,294,005 for over slotting.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 04:16:14 pm
Not sure it's fair to put the Ben Revere label on the "slap hitter" we drafted.

Revere had total of 12 unintentional walks in 626 PAs in 2014.  A .50 or so iso power number combined with extremely low walks= not too hot.

Ben Revere with solid to plus walks---kind of a different player.

Maybe the Vandy-recruit kid can bring some plate discipline? 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 04:17:52 pm
Guys with low ISO's don't tend to walk a lot.  Pitchers will challenge them thinking even if the ball gets in play your looking at a single 3/10 times.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 04:26:35 pm
Big problem with Revere is he can't play CF.  If Revere was an average to above fielder with a wRC+ below league average he'd be a 2-3 fWAR player.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 09, 2015, 04:46:54 pm
Hopefully they are stashing money for Sands or Gilliam...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2015, 04:53:14 pm

Who is the curly haired analyst working the mlb.com draft feed with Callis & Mayo?

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 04:56:45 pm
Video below (scroll down a bit) of 5th rounder Ryan Kellogg at the Cape last summer.  I was in Chatham for Kellogg's final game in which he had no-hitter for 8 2/3 innings but didn't go to the game. Mad at myself, now.

Plenty of Ks at the Cape for him.  37 Ks in 41 innings, with only 3 walks.  2.63 ERA. 

http://www.sports360az.com/2015/05/wildcats-sun-devils-among-top-draft-prospects/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Playtwo on June 09, 2015, 05:10:33 pm
He could be special.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on June 09, 2015, 05:18:58 pm
Five college seniors in a row in rounds 6-10 must be some kind of record. Nobody in rounds 1-5 who seemingly deserves a substantial amount over slot. Everett, Hooper, Baker, Sands or Molnar in round 11 tomorrow?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 09, 2015, 05:21:43 pm
5 straight senior-sign picks to wrap it up.

Q:  What leverage does senior sign have?  They've got some extended deadline or something, don't they?  Maybe the Cubs have already called each one of them, and they've each agreed that they'd sign for $10 or $20, just give me a chance and I want to get started and get rolling.  But, the Cubs are really depending on them signing to free up discretionary dollars.  What happens if a senior holds out and says, "I'm not signing for $10K; I want $50K.  Give me $50K or you'll lose the whole bit!"?   
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 05:24:50 pm
Pretty sure they all have pre-draft deals. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 09, 2015, 05:35:00 pm
So, if they've done a signability junior and then five cheap senior signs, that's a non-trivial amount of discretionary money.  Over $1m even before doing any under slot on Happ and Dewees. 

So now, at least for a day, we've got the question:  Who's the money for?  Is that all for "Maddux" Wilson and  Sean Marshall Hudson?  Or is mostly for tomorrow? 

I'll say win-win either way, because I trust the Cubs scouting department to be both pretty thoughtful and extremely thorough. 

*1  If it's all for Wilson and Hudson, then the Cubs must perceive those guys as being VERY good prospects. Much better than I thought/perceive.  That would be cool. 
 
*2  If it's not for them, that means there will still be some significant targets left tomorrow.  That would be cool too. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 05:40:12 pm
My guess is Hudson is around $1 million.  Somebody tweeted that Wilson is sign able so maybe he's $700,000. That would leave $700,000 plus any savings from other guys.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 09, 2015, 05:44:42 pm
He could be special.
Lots of snap, crackle, and pop!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on June 09, 2015, 05:57:12 pm
Lots of snap, crackle, and pop!

I hope those sounds aren't coming from his elbow or shoulder.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 09, 2015, 06:08:38 pm
I was trying to help P2 out.  Some Philistines probably missed his Special K allusion.  Hmmm...autocorrect won't let me do Philistines without a capital P.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 06:09:23 pm
Carson Sands got highest 4th round bonus last year at $1.1.

Seems like it would take at least that to sign away a Vandy recruit ?  Slot is $503,100 for the Wilson #4 pick.

The Hudson #3 slot is $731,000.  That seems like a $1 sign for him.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 09, 2015, 06:14:46 pm
It is my understanding that you can only overslot guys in the first 10 rounds of the draft.  Anyone drafted tomorrow gets max of 100 thousand, plus college scholarship.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 06:42:52 pm
It is my understanding that you can only overslot guys in the first 10 rounds of the draft.  Anyone drafted tomorrow gets max of 100 thousand, plus college scholarship.

Your understanding is wrong.

Lots of guys signed for over $100,000 from round 11 on.

Pirates signed a player for $580,000 bonus in 11th round last year, for example.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 06:46:00 pm
Kevonte Mitchell signed for $200,000 last year---13th round.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2015, 06:47:12 pm
It is my understanding that you can only overslot guys in the first 10 rounds of the draft.  Anyone drafted tomorrow gets max of 100 thousand, plus college scholarship.

not true.  You can pay up to $100K to each pick in rounds 11-40 without any penalty.  Any excess over the $100K counts against the team's total draft signing pool from rounds 1-10.  Cubs draft signing pool is $7,236,100.  They can spend up to 5% over that amount with the penalty being a 75% fine on the overage amount.  After that 5%, penalties range from a fine and up to the loss of two future 1st round picks depending how much they go over the 5% limit.

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Also note that picks after the 10th round have no slot value (and you don’t lose any bonus pool money for failing to sign them), but any amount given to them in excess of $100,000 counts against the bonus pool.

Any team that exceeds its pool by 0 to 5% must pay a 75% tax on the amount of the overage. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 5% but less than 10% must pay a 75% tax on the amount of the overage AND loses a first round draft pick next year. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 10% but less than 15% must pay a 100% tax on the amount of the overage AND loses a first round draft pick next year AND loses a second round draft pick next year. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 15% must pay a 100% tax on the amount of the overage AND lose a first round draft pick in each of the next TWO drafts.



http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/06/05/2015-mlb-draft-primer-bonus-pool-slot-values-penalties-etc/ (http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/06/05/2015-mlb-draft-primer-bonus-pool-slot-values-penalties-etc/)





 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 09, 2015, 06:49:11 pm
Dave, the first 10 rounds are the ones where you can build up discretionary dollars.  Subslotting, and the 15% overage allowed.  Those discretionary dollars can be used to go over slot during the first ten rounds (Cease, Sands, Steele), or for guys taken after the 10th round. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 06:49:30 pm
Think Dave is getting his information from Curt again.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 09, 2015, 06:51:49 pm
That is extremely presumptuous.  Curt is not the only source of false information around here.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 09, 2015, 07:22:47 pm
The only info
Think Dave is getting his information from Curt again.
The only info he gets from me is correct.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on June 09, 2015, 08:18:48 pm
So, if they've done a signability junior and then five cheap senior signs, that's a non-trivial amount of discretionary money.  Over $1m even before doing any under slot on Happ and Dewees. 

So now, at least for a day, we've got the question:  Who's the money for?  Is that all for "Maddux" Wilson and  Sean Marshall Hudson?  Or is mostly for tomorrow? 

Probably just Ricketts wanting to put money in his pocket.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 09, 2015, 08:38:55 pm
I never thought I would see the day that Jes mastered purple.  I hope he doesn't use the power for evil.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on June 09, 2015, 08:46:16 pm
I never thought I would see the day that Jes mastered purple.  I hope he doesn't use the power for evil.

I actually mastered it years ago.

I simply saw no reason to use it.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on June 09, 2015, 08:48:40 pm
By the way, who was it here that as little as a year ago would have been seriously making that argument?  I forget who it was, but that kind of thinking seemed as foolish then when he advanced it in perfect sincerity as it did when I presented it above in purple.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 08:58:03 pm
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Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 10:02:13 pm
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Let's hope they do.

Make no mistake - there are exactly two relevant factors in this ownership.  First is Joe Ricketts making money.  Second is Tom Ricketts' ego.  This brewing debacle is a body blow to both, especially if public financing for Wrigley is a casualty.  If Joe isn't printing money and Tom isn't being glorified in Chicago, things are going to get mighty ugly mighty fast.



I may have misremembered.  I also don't feel like digging through all of your posts.  If you want to call me out post, don't PM me.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 10:03:23 pm
Piece about Revere-like Vandy commit D.J. Wilson.

Says iso power was .455 this season.

http://m.cantonrep.com/article/20150607/SPORTS/150609452
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2015, 10:23:06 pm
It's a possibility that one of the teams drafting before the Cubs tomorrow end up putting a wrench in the Cubs plan to draft a DJ Wilson or whoever their target(s) is/are by taking him/them first.  Maybe the Red Sox or White Sox will spoil their plan as they both drafted three college seniors and neither teams' ownership/management have any real love for the Cubs.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 09, 2015, 10:37:35 pm
Thanks, reb.  That sounds more favorable, with references to some doubles and triples.  Mentions having trip to Wrigley, so I suppose they got to see what kind of power he does or doesn't have.  Wilson is on the old end, 19 in October. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 10:44:54 pm
It's a possibility that one of the teams drafting before the Cubs tomorrow end up putting a wrench in the Cubs plan to draft a DJ Wilson or whoever their target(s) is/are by taking him/them first.  Maybe the Red Sox or White Sox will spoil their plan as they both drafted three college seniors and neither teams' ownership/management have any real love for the Cubs.

It likely isn't worth the effort. The Red Sox/White Sox will have somebody they want to over slot so taking the Cubs player may cost them their player. The Cubs always seem to have multiple guys that they draft, like Gilliam last year I case the deal falls apart.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2015, 10:51:59 pm
Yes, but both the Red Sox & White Sox might be targeting the same guys as the Cubs.  We'll see tomorrow when the draft resumes.


Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 09, 2015, 11:00:17 pm
In order to take the guy the Cubs want, they have to know which guy the Cubs want.  I doubt that any team has that kind of information, and guessing isn't likely to be much help.  The Cubs probably have several in mind.  Their last five picks were college seniors that will probably sign for next to nothing, and there aren't more than a couple in the first 5 rounds that are likely to be high overslots.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 09, 2015, 11:10:11 pm
In order to take the guy the Cubs want, they have to know which guy the Cubs want.

Don't they just have to want the same player for themselves?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 11:12:31 pm
Yes, but both the Red Sox & White Sox might be targeting the same guys as the Cubs.  We'll see tomorrow when the draft resumes.

Boston lost their 2nd round pick.  The White Sox lost their 2nd and 3rd round picks.  They both have less money than the Cubs.  They both only took 3 senior signs and some of their later round picks may be over slots.  I really doubt they have the cash that the Cubs will and so they will likely be targeting somebody of a lower tier.  The Astros and Dbacks would worry be more.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 09, 2015, 11:21:20 pm
Cubs were only organization to take seniors every round from 6-10.

Seniors by round:

R-6:  5

R-7:  11

R-8:  8

R-9:  18

R-10. 19

Last year, Cubs only did so in rounds 9 and 10.

By the way, would not necessarily assume that 6th rounder Dave Berg signs one of those $5,000 deals. Berg had such a distinguished all-time great college career---don't be surprised if he does quite a bit better.

In any case, pretty interesting Cubs went this route. Way less wiggle room than last year because Schwarber underslot much more.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 09, 2015, 11:21:59 pm
Don't they just have to want the same player for themselves?

Yes.  But the post indicated they would be doing it to hurt the Cubs, rather than to help themselves.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2015, 11:22:00 pm
That's probably true but if you are really targeting one HS player over another to overslot, it might be better to draft him in the 10th round than run the risk someone grabs him before you pick in the 11th.  That 10th round slot value is only $149K so if you don't come to terms with him it doesn't put a significant dent in your team's total draft signing pool.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 09, 2015, 11:25:36 pm
I don't think they are going to have a lot of overslot money coming out of the first 5 picks, as they did last year.  So their only money to play with is from the last 5 rounds.  I doubt if it can amount to much over a million dollars from those 5.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 09, 2015, 11:31:08 pm
By the way, would not necessarily assume that 6th rounder Dave Berg signs one of those $5,000 deals. Berg had such a distinguished all-time great college career---don't be surprised if he does quite a bit better.

He wasn't highly ranked.  I doubt he will break 6 figures and I'd be kinda shocked if he broke $50,000.

That's probably true but if you are really targeting one HS player over another to overslot, it might be better to draft him in the 10th round than run the risk someone grabs him before you pick in the 11th.  That 10th round slot value is only $149K so if you don't come to terms with him it doesn't put a significant dent in your team's total draft signing pool.

Maybe and some teams did take players like that in the later draft, the Cardinals and Kep Brown.  In some cases that $49,000 might be the difference in getting Mitchell or Clifton to sign.  Most of the over slot guys tend to be after the 11 round anyway.  That seems to be the get college players round that will sign for close to $100,000.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 01:39:07 am
Piece below about David Berg.

Berg probably had the greatest career of any reliever in NCAA history. 

170 career appearances. 257 IP, all in relief.  Career ERA of 1.16.   41 walks/230 Ks.

http://web.usabaseball.com/article.jsp?ymd=201500521&content_id=125733050&vkey=news_gsa
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on June 10, 2015, 01:58:52 am
I realize BA ranks draft prospects more on ceiling and less on floor than the Cubs do. But Ryan Kellogg is the only Cubs' draftee that BA ranked lower than their actual draft positions. Cubs' draft with BA ranking in parentheses:

Happ 9 (24), Dewees 47 (86), Hudson 82 (101), Wilson 113 (178), Kellogg 143 (131), Berg 173 (450), Brooks 203 (Not in Top 500), Morrison 233 (Not in Top 500) Peietzmeier 263 (Not in Top 500), Machin 293 (317)

I can see going somewhat over slot for Hudson and Wilson because they're high school seniors, but the Cubs should have quite a bit of extra money left for one or more highly-rated prospects in rounds 11-15.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: chgojhawk on June 10, 2015, 06:32:04 am
Does anyone have a reading on Berg's current velocity?  That article mentions 82 mph in high school but doesn't mention if he has upped that number (which seems likely).

If he is into the low 90s I think he could move through the minors pretty quickly as he clearly has the right mindset, knows how to pitch and has the sidearm thing going for him.

I'm sure most of the senior selections were about money but did anyone else notice that Berg, Kellogg and Morrison all seem to have similarities to Hendricks?  Smart pitchers with underwhelming velocity. Perhaps Theo and co. feel they have found an undervalued skill set.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 07:29:45 am
Berg from what I've seen is more 82-84, with movement and control. He will be tough on righties (a ROOGY?) with a frisbee like slider.

Kellogg is a pitch ability lefty. Every team takes them. Morrison is closer to Hendrix, like Williams. The minors have a ton of guys that never make it out of the low minors that are like Hendrix.

I do think the Cubs have moved to a more workable velocity in the low 90's with better command vs high velocity guys. Black, Cease and Underwood seem to be the only big velocity prospect guys.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 10, 2015, 09:41:09 am
The Cubs have a lot of mid 90s pitchers in their system, but most of them have been moved into relief.  In addition to Black, you have Edwards (perhaps temporary), Paniagua, Francescon, Perakslis and Thorpe.  Most of them have had command problems, which probably is the reason why they are no longer starting.  They have also brought in young pitchers from the outside that are also mid 90s pitchers, the best of which have been Ramirez, Grimm and Rondon.

To me, it looks as if they have decided to take top hitters with their highest picks, and then bring in several high velocity, low command pitchers in the hopes that they can overcome their command problems at least enough to be effective relievers, and perhaps even enough to be good starters.

But in addition to that, they are also bringing in a lot of high command, lower velocity pitchers in the hopes of developing Hendricks-like starters.  All part of the "attack pitching with volume" strategy.

I would expect that they will draft three or four high velocity pitchers in the last 20 rounds, in the hope of striking gold.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 10:50:03 am
Thorpe throw's mid 90's?  I thought he was more of a soft tosser.  Were you thinking of Northwood?

The starters seem to sit low 90's and can touch mid 90's.  I'd put Edwards in that group.  That seems to be the Cubs sweet spot for starters.  They throw harder than Hendrix, but the aren't sitting mid 90's.  Reliever's seem to still be guys that throw harder, but not the 100 mph guys.



Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 11:18:09 am
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Cubs 11th Round Pick: Matt Rose, 3B, Georgia State.
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Cubs 11th-rounder Matt Rose is a solid performer with a great arm who would have pitching pot. if he could stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 11:21:18 am
12th Round PJ Higgins, 2B, Old Dominion
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 10, 2015, 11:28:41 am
Scouting Report:

Rose got off to a hot start this spring and led the country in home runs well into the season. He finished the year with 16 home runs, the most in the Sun Belt Conference and fourth most in Georgia State history. Rose already has big righthanded power and could add more as he fills out his 6-foot-4, 195-pound frame. His swing has some length to it, but he’s a disciplined hitter and knows how to work a walk. Rose went to Georgia State as a two-way player, but an arm injury limited his time on the mound the last two years. He moved this spring to first base, which may end up being his defensive home as a professional.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 10, 2015, 11:32:45 am
Higgins is a smooth, sure-footed athlete. He’s shown defensive versatility, playing third base, second base and catcher. Higgins’ future is behind the plate, where he is a smooth receiver and shows average arm strength. Higgins also has some feel for the bat, with a gap-to-gap approach and inside-out stroke. He has well below-average power, though he can drive the ball deep when a pitcher makes a mistake. Over his three years at Old Dominion, Higgins has hit .324 and shown steady improvements in power and plate discipline.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 11:33:58 am
13.) Kyle Twomey, LHP, USC
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 10, 2015, 11:35:47 am
172 Kyle Twomey lhp  Southern California Calif. 27
Scouting
 

Scouting Report:

Lean and projectable in high school, Twomey had a dominant spring as a prep senior and pushed himself up to the third round of the 2012 draft. However, he didn’t agree to terms with the Athletics and headed to Southern California, where he has helped the Trojans earn a regional berth in 2015, ending a decade-long absence from the NCAA tournament. Twomey, listed at 6-foot-3, 175-pounds, remains thin, and has never added significant strength to his frame, nor has he gained velocity. He pitched in the upper 80s most of the year, though he still bumps a 91 mph regularly, and can pitch off his fastball when he commands it. He has a clean arm and gets life on his fastball down and with some tailing life as well. His changeup is his best secondary pitch but he continues to pitch with a slow, get-me-over curveball that remains a below-average pitch. Twomey has had more success this year than previously for the Trojans but was trending in the wrong direction as the season wore on. He’s unlikely to get drafted as high as he did out of high school.
 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 10, 2015, 11:36:51 am
Have to admit, this has been kind of a boring draft so far . . .
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 11:38:08 am
Cubs Den tweeted the Cubs have been on Twomey since high school.

The guy that went right after Twomey went to my high school and I think I played with one of his cousins/brothers.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on June 10, 2015, 11:43:43 am
I'm not a scout, but so far I see this draft as a breakfast with twelve bowls of oatmeal and a single strip of bacon (Bryan Hudson).
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 11:45:57 am
Jake Kelzer, RHP, Indiana

Wilson must be really expensive.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 11:46:56 am
Mark Gonzales ‏@MDGonzales  8m8 minutes ago
Cubs' 13th round pick LHP Kyle Twomey was third round pick of Oak. in 2012. 8-2, 2.88 ERA at USC. Al Leiter-like delivery, few mph down.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 11:50:33 am
Saw Twomey pitch at the Cape last summer.

Main recollection is how lanky he is---nothing notable about his stuff-- guys take pretty good swings against him. Perhaps still projectible if he can get stronger. Never know about lefties with good pedigrees like him. Good choice for the round if can sign him.

Guessing Cubs will still take one likely unsignable guy with overslot bonus demand in event Wilson backs away from signing. Otherwise, looks like money going to the HS 3/4 rounders.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 11:53:26 am
Kelzer is 6-8.  Maybe he has some velocity or is another Null type guy.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 11:57:40 am
Scott Effros, RHP, Indiana
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 12:08:42 pm
Michael Foster, CF, Northeastern University
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 10, 2015, 12:09:28 pm
Last couple of drafts, if the Cubs had overslot money and *expected* to sign somebody and knew they could (Clifton, Kevonte Mitchell), they usually took them pretty quick on Day 3. 
*They've signed everybody through round 20 the last two years;
*They've signed almost no HS picks after round 20 for previous drafts
*They've signed nobody overslot after round 13 for previous drafts. 

So, I'm guessing if they had $$ for Sands or overslot HS arm, they'd have selected them before now. 

All of which would seemingly testify to how expensive they expect Wilson and Hudson to be;
how good they think Wilson and Hudson are as prospects;
how worth it Wilson and Hudson are to have committed all of their discretionary money to the two of them. 

Maybe a specialty guy like Berg will make it, or Kellogg or somebody surprising. 

But it looks like this draft was pretty much done and all their $$ spent after the first four picks. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 12:21:57 pm
Yeah, very tough to get a pre-draft deal done with a prized Vandy recruit.

Wilson deal might be close to $1.5.

Would have thought such strategy would be all about pitching---like 2014. Can infer Cubs really like this kid.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Ron on June 10, 2015, 12:40:11 pm
It certainly seems that Wilson is interested on signing with the Cubs.

http://www.cantonrep.com/article/20150609/SPORTS/150609301

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2015, 12:59:50 pm
Yankees just took Isiah Gilliam in round 20...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on June 10, 2015, 01:14:14 pm
Yeah, very tough to get a pre-draft deal done with a prized Vandy recruit.

Wilson deal might be close to $1.5.

Would have thought such strategy would be all about pitching---like 2014. Can infer Cubs really like this kid.

Since the Cubs haven't even hedged their bet by drafting Cole Sands or one or more of the other highly-ranked HS pitchers, I assume they know Wilson's and Hudson's asking prices and are willing to meet them. But if they go $1 million over slot to sign Wilson, I really hope they're right and the rest of the baseball universe is wrong. MLB ranked him 129th and BA ranked him 178th.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 01:16:54 pm
Think we can assume Cubs knew Wilson asking price pre-draft and maneuvered their draft to meet his price.

Hopefully, no misunderstandings going forward. Yeah, from this piece, seems like just a matter of finalizing the paperwork.

Seems like perception Cubs would go pitching heavy after first round was overstated. Drafted two interesting pitchers at 3 and 5---and at least one will be overslot--but CFers at 2 and 4 and big chunk of underslot money going to the HS CFer.

Theo and the gang can be unpredictable.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 10, 2015, 01:24:19 pm
From the looks of things on the surface, this draft, to this point, appears to be a "lets just save some money and blow it all Internationally" kinda draft to me.

Am I wrong?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 10, 2015, 01:25:51 pm
Astros take Sands in round 22.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 01:29:36 pm
BPA

I wouldn't assume all the money is going to Wilson, Hudson will be expensive. It would be nice to get some of the Cuban pitching as well.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 01:29:53 pm
From the looks of things on the surface, this draft, to this point, appears to be a "lets just save some money and blow it all Internationally" kinda draft to me.

Am I wrong?

You would be right if Cubs spend well under their draft pool limit to sign their draft.

In other words, you are wrong.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 10, 2015, 01:30:31 pm
Here's who the Cubs took in Round 18.

364 John Cresto ss  Cathedral Catholic HS, San Diego Calif. 44
Scouting
 

Scouting Report:

Cresto was a three-sport athlete at Cathedral Catholic High and is committed to Santa Clara, where his older sister plays volleyball. At 6-foot-3, 210 pounds, he has good size for an infielder and has some hitting ability, which he showcased during the Area Code Games. He repeats his low-maintenance swing and has some present strength, though scouts have to project on his power potential. He moves well for his size but profiles better at third base long term. He has a solid-average arm that fits on the left side of the infield.
 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on June 10, 2015, 01:30:35 pm
Think we can assume Cubs knew Wilson asking price pre-draft and maneuvered their draft to meet his price.

Hopefully, no misunderstandings going forward. Yeah, from this piece, seems like just a matter of finalizing the paperwork.

Seems like perception Cubs would go pitching heavy after first round was overstated. Drafted two interesting pitchers at 3 and 5---and at least one will be overslot--but CFers at 2 and 4 and big chunk of underslot money going to the HS CFer.

Theo and the gang can be unpredictable.

Theo and the gang can also be wrong. Ejax was a big mistake, and I think Wilson may be another one.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 10, 2015, 01:32:33 pm
Perhaps all this draft investment in CF might mean the Cubs are beginning to lose faith in Almora too. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 10, 2015, 01:35:01 pm
http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/06/05/2015-mlb-draft-primer-bonus-pool-slot-values-penalties-etc/

Says Cubs can go to $7.6 (counting overage) before hitting tax. 

Suppose:
1.  Happ and Dewees combine for full slot:  $4.5 used, $3.1 left.
2.  Kellogg and the seniors combine for $0.6
3.  That would then leave $2.5 for Hudson and Wilson. 

Obviously good shot that Happ and Dewees will sign somewhat under slot.  In which case either Kellogg and the seniors get a little bit more, or more likely Hudson and Wilson are actually costing even more than $2.5. 

So, presumably Hudson will be $1+ and Wilson will be $1.5 or more. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 01:37:36 pm
Don't think anybody said all the money is going to Wilson.

Hudson will take overslot too, obviously, but guessing bulk of extra money going to Wilson. Doesn't mean he's a better prospect than Hudson. Just means that Wilson--as one of Vandy's top 5 or 6 recruits--has/had a very credible bargaining chip to go college route. The greater the bargaining power--the better the return. Just market economics, everything else equal more or less.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 01:42:25 pm
Theo and the gang can also be wrong. Ejax was a big mistake, and I think Wilson may be another one.

So tell me who is infallible?

All you can ask for is to have smart guys who work hard and tend to have good judgment compared to their peers.

How often have we had that running the Cubs?

Think we do now.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 10, 2015, 01:44:04 pm
382 Casey Bloomquist rhp  Cal Poly Calif. 47
Drafted

Scouting
 
 

Scouting Report:

Coming off a 12-2, 1.56 sophomore season, Bloomquist seemed poised to challenge Cal State Fullerton’s Thomas Eshelman for ace honors in the Big West Conference. He had a lesser season as an encore but out-pitched Eshelman when they met head-to-head and remains a dependable, potential back-end starter from a pro standpoint. Bloomquist has solid sink on his fastball and more life on the pitch than Eshelman does, with similar consistent 88-90 mph velocity, peaking at 92. His slider and changeup also help him get groundballs with late, sinking life and grade as average pitches as well; he didn’t give up a home run all season. Bloomquist lacks a put-away pitch but is durable and fairly athletic at 6-foot-3, 185 pounds.
 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 10, 2015, 01:46:43 pm
Sure, maybe it will be Hudson at $1.5 and Wilson $1.2, who knows until the deals come out.  But agree, Hudson probably floor is $1 and presumably Wilson higher. 

The market economics on Wilson may speak to his particular market:  what will it take to sign *him*.  But it does NOT apply to anybody else's market.  There were plenty of other prospects, good prospects, who would likely have been willing to sign for $1.5 or less, and who didn't have the Vandy factor. 

But, of all the guys out there, the Cubs decided that Wilson even with his Vandy-bargaining-power was still the better value/gamble/investment.  Again, they may we way wrong.  But if they saw him as on-par with three other guys, they may as well pick the guy without Vandy-inflation.  Suggests that in their valuation, rightly or wrongly, he really was BPA.  Very surprising. 

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 10, 2015, 01:53:21 pm
DJ Wilson, CF. ...   Fangraphs
Hit 20/45+
Game Pwr 20/40
Raw Pwr   45/45
Speed      60/60
Field         50/55
Arm         45/45

Pretty obvious the Cub scouts have some different scores in their scouting boxes than Fangraphs does.  Nothing other than speed looks particularly worthwhile on that report, and those Fangraphs scores don't make you the best $1.5-buy available. 

I'd kinda assuming the Cubs might put a higher projection grade on the fielding than 55, and almost certainly a higher hitting than 20/45+.  I'd guess they'd need to project hitting to at least 50 to be the best $1.5 value available.   
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on June 10, 2015, 02:05:29 pm
It still seems bizarre to me that their entire draft strategy seems to be based on signing a fourth-round pick who was expected to go somewhere between round 4 and 6 for three times his slot value.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 10, 2015, 02:11:21 pm
Now six straight college seniors.  Sure seems like they're saving money to me.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 10, 2015, 02:11:42 pm
And just as I post that they take a high school player.

ETA: Jared Padgett 6'3" LHP (starter) Mississippi State commit out of Florida.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 02:24:56 pm
Now six straight college seniors.  Sure seems like they're saving money to me.

Organizational depth.

Pretty obvious the Cub scouts have some different scores in their scouting boxes than Fangraphs does.  Nothing other than speed looks particularly worthwhile on that report, and those Fangraphs scores don't make you the best $1.5-buy available. 

I'd kinda assuming the Cubs might put a higher projection grade on the fielding than 55, and almost certainly a higher hitting than 20/45+.  I'd guess they'd need to project hitting to at least 50 to be the best $1.5 value available.   

He's a tough grader.  The first set is how he would project as major leaguer today, so ignore that.  The second set for hit the highest grade he gave out was 55 and only 3 of them.  His speed grades are also lower than MLB and that should be a fairly straight forward they run this fast. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 10, 2015, 02:26:25 pm
Round 26 Pick . . .

120 Jared Padgett lhp  Graceville (Fla.) HS Fla. 23
Scouting
 

Scouting Report:

Padgett was a multi-sport star at tiny Graceville High in the Florida panhandle. He became the first Tiger to sign with a Division I baseball program when he committed to Mississippi State this year and is now poised to become the school's first player ever to be drafted. Padgett has seen his profile rise this spring as he’s flashed above-average stuff to go with his projection. His fastball has been up to 94 mph, though he typically sits at 90-91 mph. His curveball is his best secondary offering. At its best, it's a hard, downer curve with plus potential. While Padgett has some exciting raw tools, he’ll need to refine them at the next level. He struggles at times to repeat his delivery and he doesn't have much of a changeup. But with his athleticism, makeup and size (he’s listed at 6-foot-4, 200 pounds) to go with two solid offerings, he has all the tools necessary for a player development staff to mold into quality pitcher.
 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 10, 2015, 02:30:35 pm
On the MLB.com video Padgett's mechanics were all knees and elbows, so you could see how he'd have trouble repeating them.  You could see he had a wicked curve, too.  He could be an interesting signee, if they could get him done.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 02:31:47 pm
Pretty obvious the Cub scouts have some different scores in their scouting boxes than Fangraphs does.  Nothing other than speed looks particularly worthwhile on that report, and those Fangraphs scores don't make you the best $1.5-buy available. 

I'd kinda assuming the Cubs might put a higher projection grade on the fielding than 55, and almost certainly a higher hitting than 20/45+.  I'd guess they'd need to project hitting to at least 50 to be the best $1.5 value available.   

Very few HS guys at 5'9-170 are viewed as projectible upside guys.

As the BA report on Wilson notes, scouts generally want to see what these type of guys can do at college level.

Benintendi is a good example of this. He had tremendous HS career, recruited by SEC school without much MLB interest and, even as college guy, was late in getting attention commensurate with his performance.

Theo and the boys are very big on makeup/intangibles. They are going to say Wilson makeup "off the charts" as saying goes. So, we'll see. Think Theo can handle the career humiliation if a 4th rounder doesn't pan out for him.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 02:38:04 pm
Just to further breakdown McDaniel
3- 55
10- 50+
22- 50
29- 45+

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 10, 2015, 02:38:06 pm
JJ Cooper on Cubs latest pick:

Quote
Cubs pick Delvin Zinn is an excellent defensive SS. Questions all revolve around how much he'll hit.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 02:42:16 pm
On the MLB.com video Padgett's mechanics were all knees and elbows, so you could see how he'd have trouble repeating them.  You could see he had a wicked curve, too.  He could be an interesting signee, if they could get him done.

Likely unsignable unless Hudson or Wilson don't sign.

Or, Cubs can stop saving money and give up two future 1st round picks to spend money now and blow past their signing limit.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 10, 2015, 02:45:20 pm
So tell me who is infallible?


Me and the Pope, although the Pope's had some clunkers in the last 600 years.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 02:47:17 pm
The pope is only infallible in certain situations and it is rarely, rarely, rarely done.  Unlike Curt who tries to use it daily.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 10, 2015, 02:49:49 pm
And just as I post that they take a high school player.

ETA: Jared Padgett 6'3" LHP (starter) Mississippi State commit out of Florida.

This is how they've done it every draft.  Rounds 1-20 are guys they expect to sign.  (Usually that extends to 25, but sometimes there's some this-and-that in the 21-25 area.)  Then 26-40 tend to be a bunch of HS guys they don't sign with a few organizational pick college guys and some iffy-to-sign college/JC guys mixed in. 

I do wonder whether they might perhaps take a few more HS guys who are "might sign" type, but who don't need a million in overslot.  Maybe they've got exact numbers from each of the four $$ draft picks.  But maybe they don't know for sure how far they'll have to extend for several of them.  Maybe if they stay below their max on several of them, they'd have $200-400K discretionary.  Not going to get you a million-dollar guy.  But there might be one or two guys who would sign for $300 or $250 or something. 

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 10, 2015, 02:51:48 pm
Odd that they picked a HS guy at 18.  Crespo.  Heh heh, mlb lists his birthday as 92, but I doubt he's really a 22/23-year-old HS kid!  :) 

Maybe he doesn't like school and will sign for slot. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 03:11:03 pm
Man Crespo must really be dumb to be in high school that long.  Even Vitters managed to graduate.  :D
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 03:17:31 pm
I think this was from Day 2

Not all words were worrying Tuesday. Early during the draft cycle lefthanded pitcher Jared Padgett tweeted he would be coming to college. Later he told Swindoll he had declined an offer from Chicago’s Cubs that would have been third round-tier money. Other clubs contacted Padgett Tuesday and were turned down as well.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 10, 2015, 03:22:51 pm
If you're 92 and still in high school, you got a lot bigger problems than signing a major league contract.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2015, 03:25:42 pm
Heh, Brewers took Donny Everett in round 29...

They might as well have taken Donny Osmond...or Carl Everett...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2015, 03:29:46 pm
Cubs take Georgia Tech CFer Daniel Spingola in the 31st round.

The Cubs took him in the 24th round last year, but he went back to school for his senior season.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2015, 03:34:52 pm
My guy from last year's draft, Clay Casey, is still available...here's a writeup from his 2015 season at Northwest Mississippi...

2015: NJCAA All-Region 23, MACJC First Team All-State...started all 50 games in right field for the Rangers...fourth on the team in batting average, hitting .333 with 10 doubles and two triples...led the team in several categories, including total RBIs (39), home runs (12) and on-base percentage (.468)...voted the MACJC Player of the Week on March 26 after going 9-for-21 (.429) with a double, three home runs (two game-winners), six RBIs and four runs scored in games vs #8 Jones County, Dyersburg State and Coahoma...ranked No. 41 in Perfect Game's Top 200 JUCO prospects list.


Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2015, 03:39:54 pm
Cubs just took another 6'8" HS pitcher in the 32nd round...from Glenbrook South (IL)...

They have more big men than the Bulls just from this year's draft...that's at least 4 pitchers in the 6'7-6'8 area...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 10, 2015, 03:43:29 pm
Cubs just took another 6'8" HS pitcher in the 32nd round...from Glenbrook South (IL)...

They have more big men than the Bulls just from this year's draft...that's at least 4 pitchers in the 6'7-6'8 area...

Maybe the Ricketts are determined to win the MLB pickup basketball league this year.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 03:56:41 pm
I think this was from Day 2

Not all words were worrying Tuesday. Early during the draft cycle lefthanded pitcher Jared Padgett tweeted he would be coming to college. Later he told Swindoll he had declined an offer from Chicago’s Cubs that would have been third round-tier money. Other clubs contacted Padgett Tuesday and were turned down as well.

Interesting stuff there.

Guessing that Padgett may have slightly misinterpreted Cubs inquiry. Probably was asked if he would be willing to sign for third round slot. Cubs probably asked same to several guys. Typically, this is not really an "offer" but the club sounding out what it will take to sign the player. Doesn't mean they necessarily would hace selected Padgett with a high pick if he said yes. They just want to get a idea about his pricetag.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 03:56:52 pm
The like the pitchers with downward plane.  If one of the them has their velocity jump you get Tyler Glasnow.  If the don't you hope for Null.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 10, 2015, 03:57:41 pm
Has Will Farrell been selected yet?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2015, 04:01:23 pm
MT Minacci could be a hidden gem in the 33rd...20th round pick of the Rockies in 2013...he went to Florida State, but got caught in a numbers game there and transferred to Chipola...

He was a highly regarded 2 way player in HS...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 04:20:48 pm
Link below about Craig Brooks is from Catawba College baseball official site.

Bet you didn't know that Brooks won both the Josh Willingham and Brett Tomko national awards. Given for recognition of having a nice but not that hot a career.

http://gocatawbaindians.com/article.asp?articleID=6988
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2015, 04:25:40 pm
Cubs take a 6'7" 1Bman from Gonzaga in the 35th.

The Bears might find a future DLman in some of our draftees...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 04:31:47 pm


They have more big men than the Bulls just from this year's draft...that's at least 4 pitchers in the 6'7-6'8 area...



The Bears might find a future DLman in some of our draftees...

Okay, now the most important question is:  can any of these guys skate?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 10, 2015, 04:48:30 pm
I can think of one guy who might be able to sumo wrestle.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: chgojhawk on June 10, 2015, 04:52:32 pm
Maybe we can throw money at Al Jones instead of Wilson.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2015, 05:10:49 pm
Astros continue their beyond fantastic draft by grabbing Luken Baker in the 37th round...I like him as a prospect more than I liked Kolek last year...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2015, 05:15:58 pm
Cubs take Vandy LHP John Kilichowski in the 39th...draft-eligible soph...maybe we throw some savings at him...hopefully...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 05:41:08 pm
Fitz Stadler could be interesting if he'll sign. He is an ASU commit so it isn't likely.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on June 10, 2015, 07:03:59 pm
From the looks of things on the surface, this draft, to this point, appears to be a "lets just save some money and blow it all Internationally" kinda draft to me.   Am I wrong?

Yes

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chiman on June 10, 2015, 07:38:09 pm
Well I wanted to share with the board that my son Cody Mobley was selected in the 8th round by the Mariners and will sign a contract tonight.  Cody was a high school senior and had a full ride to the University of Evansville of the MVC here in southern Indiana. He is a Fastball/CB/SL pitcher and sat 90-91 and touching 94 this year. Curveball is his wipeout pitch and the slider has gotten better all year long. We signed for we'll above slot and he will have full tuition to any college he desires(minus Ivy League)after his playing days are over. We leave for Seattle on Sunday, physical on Monday and we will get to tour Safeco and there facility's on Monday. We are very excited and although I don't post much on this topic I have been a 20 + year guy on this board and the the previous boards that we have had prior to this. I wish the Cubs would have been interested but it didn't work out so I am a duel fan of my beloved Cubs and the Mariners moving forward. It has been a fantastic ride this year and I wanted to share that dreams do come true. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: ticohans on June 10, 2015, 07:42:58 pm
Chi! That's amazing! Congrats!!!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 10, 2015, 07:43:53 pm
Congrats!!!!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on June 10, 2015, 07:44:23 pm
Congratulations, Chiman!

Chiman Mobley?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: mO on June 10, 2015, 07:44:41 pm
That's so awesome, chi. Congrats to you and your family.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chiman on June 10, 2015, 07:45:58 pm
Thanks Tico.  We have been living a dream for the last 24 hrs. What a ride!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 10, 2015, 08:04:18 pm
Fantastic, Chiman.  I hope that Cody has a Hall of Fame career.

Except, of course, when he faces the Cubs in the World Series.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 08:08:18 pm
Fantastic news, Chiman.

Was at Joe Ross debut game against Cubs Saturday---his parents and brother there. Hope that is you and family some day. In the meantime, terrific achievment getting drafted that high and turning pro.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 10, 2015, 08:09:25 pm
That's great.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Eastcoastfan on June 10, 2015, 08:09:50 pm
Awesome!  Congratulations!!!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 10, 2015, 08:16:06 pm
Chi, that's really cool.  Congratulations.  Interesting that the full tuition can go pretty much anywhere, other than Ivy.  That's really awesome. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 10, 2015, 08:48:48 pm
Craig - now is the time to plug your college.  Wouldn't it be nice to have at least one guy that actually pays tuition?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: papa smurf on June 10, 2015, 08:53:26 pm
congrats chi....maybe there can be a trade and make the dream even better
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 10, 2015, 09:05:08 pm
Well I wanted to share with the board that my son Cody Mobley was selected in the 8th round by the Mariners and will sign a contract tonight.  Cody was a high school senior and had a full ride to the University of Evansville of the MVC here in southern Indiana. He is a Fastball/CB/SL pitcher and sat 90-91 and touching 94 this year. Curveball is his wipeout pitch and the slider has gotten better all year long. We signed for we'll above slot and he will have full tuition to any college he desires(minus Ivy League)after his playing days are over. We leave for Seattle on Sunday, physical on Monday and we will get to tour Safeco and there facility's on Monday. We are very excited and although I don't post much on this topic I have been a 20 + year guy on this board and the the previous boards that we have had prior to this. I wish the Cubs would have been interested but it didn't work out so I am a duel fan of my beloved Cubs and the Mariners moving forward. It has been a fantastic ride this year and I wanted to share that dreams do come true. 

Yeah congrats on that!  If Jackson still stays the Double-A Mariners affiliate 2-3 years from now, we'll definitely need to head over and watch him pitch.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: ben on June 10, 2015, 09:10:14 pm
Major congratulations to your son and to you, Chiman!  That's fantastic news!  We will now have a rooting interest for a youngster in the Seattle system.

Please post as time permits regarding your son's experience playing professional baseball.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Ron on June 10, 2015, 09:19:15 pm
Major congratulations to your son and to you, Chiman!  That's fantastic news!  We will now have a rooting interest for a youngster in the Seattle system.

Please post as time permits regarding your son's experience playing professional baseball.

Want to add my congratulations and best wishes to you and your son.  That is really, really cool. Can't imagine what that would be like.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 10, 2015, 09:23:43 pm
So, Chi, I assume your wife is a decent athlete?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 10, 2015, 09:25:24 pm
Congrats.  I will draft him next spring and extort many great players ftom you in trade.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: BullingersEars on June 10, 2015, 09:35:24 pm
Congrats, Chiman!  Little dude was probably just born back when I was in the Bleacher Bums Fantasy League with you :)

Very exciting!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: DelMarFan on June 10, 2015, 09:39:10 pm
Very cool, Chiman.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chiman on June 10, 2015, 09:48:41 pm
Thanks to all!  We are very proud parents and really never knew for sure if it would become reality. We had agreed to a number with the Mariners and felt like they would be his best chance to get into the Top 10 but until his name is called there were no guarantee's that it would happen. Got a call from the Scouting Director 1 hr before he was selected to confirm our number was still good and at that point I felt like it might just happen and the rest is history.

I want to clarify something I posted in regards to Ivy League. Cody more than likely would not get admitted to any Ivy League school and he doesn't have any desire to attend classes at an Ivy League school. The money would be good at any institution including the Ivy League.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: guest61 on June 10, 2015, 09:59:08 pm
I dont know if my little Ameripino Ryne will ever even want to play Little League but it wont be from a lack of effort on my part.

I will have to admit Chiman that this is probably better than living the dream yourself.

Congratulations.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 10, 2015, 10:11:06 pm
Congrats, Chiman, that's really cool!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2015, 10:46:30 pm
Congrats, Chiman! Seems like just yesterday he was playing down in Southaven...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 10, 2015, 11:12:15 pm
Sounds like chi's kid had a good scouting report from BA.

Quote from: Baseball America
Mobley is an athletic high school righthander with a loose arm and plenty of projection. His fastball gets to 91-94 mph regularly and he flashes a potentially plus curveball. 

The only thing holding him back is his dad likes to streak the field and start the YMCA at very random points during the middle of his games.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 10, 2015, 11:13:42 pm
Sounds like the Chiman I know.  Seems the ushers ought to figure out that when a guy enters the stadium in just a raincoat on a cloudless night...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 10, 2015, 11:18:10 pm
Okay, now that we're quoting other sources about Chiman's kid, here's a portion of an actual and true interview the kid gave a year ago with local prep baseball site.

PBR: Who has had the biggest impact on you as a baseball player?

Mobley: Both my Mom and Dad have made a huge impact on my baseball career! They are always willing to go out if their way to do whatever I need. My dad has spent countless hours working with me to be the best that I can be.


Stuff That Dreams Are Made Of Do Not Happen By Accident.

Congrats again.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2015, 03:13:00 am
Keith Law draft chat:


Steve (Bethlehem, PA)

I can't help but be reminded of Chase Utley's profile coming out of UCLA when looking at Ian Happ (great bat, work-in-progress defensively). Not to mention they are both the rare high ranked college 2B prospect. Could Happ work himself into a plus defender or is he far less athletic than Utley was? Or am I just totally crazy?


Klaw 

I think there's a lot of merit to the profile comparison, although they're not identical players. Happ, like Utley, is a better athlete than people give him credit for being, and I think he'll be more than fine at 2b. His RH swing isn't good, so there's one open question - will it improve, or can you get him to hit LH full-time and still hit lefties - that Utley didn't have.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 11, 2015, 03:44:31 am
Quote
Padgett knew the Cubs and Cardinals thought highly of him, and when Chicago's turn came to select in the third round on Tuesday -- which is slotted for a $731,000 signing bonus -- it wanted the tall lefty, whose fastball topped out at 94 mph this spring. Padgett, with a solid college option, asked for more money.

...

"It didn't play out how we wanted it to with the Draft, but I'm excited to be part of a wonderful baseball program for Mississippi State," Padgett said Wednesday, adding he was hoping for $800,000.


http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/129817644/lure-of-college-swaying-cubs-pick-jadred-padgett
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chiman on June 11, 2015, 06:08:10 am
Sounds like chi's kid had a good scouting report from BA.

LOL. That was good. :)
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: EightyTwo on June 11, 2015, 07:05:40 am
Congrats, Chi!
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Playtwo on June 11, 2015, 07:32:46 am
Very cool.  Congratulations.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 11, 2015, 08:46:51 am
...I think there's a lot of merit to the profile comparison, although they're not identical players. Happ, like Utley, is a better athlete than people give him credit for being, and I think he'll be more than fine at 2b. His RH swing isn't good, so there's one open question - will it improve, or can you get him to hit LH full-time and still hit lefties - that Utley didn't have.

"better athlete" and "more than fine at 2b" are nice to read.  Law seems to be Happ's biggest advocate among the media guys.  The 2B bit shouldn't be overlooked.  For now we feel like we're volume at infield.  But that can change fast within two years.  I think there are lots of plausible scenarios, undesirable but plausible, where two out of Braynt/Baez/Castro might not be infield fixtures two years from now.  Bryant to OF?  Baez traded?  Castro traded?  Baez never quite makes it?  Baez as utility guy instead of starter?  Castro traded?  Castro never sees .700-OPS again?  It may be that *if* Happ can both hit and play a capable 2B, that we'll be very thankful.  Not expect Utley or Jeff Kent, obviously, but a good-hitting fine-fielding 2B could be really useful. 

Mark DeRosa had only three especially good years in his big-league career, and the Cubs got two of those three.  But over that three-year span, DeRosa average 15 HR, .370 OBP, .292 average, and around .820 slugging.  If Happ hit at the Cubs-version-of-DeRosa for 6 or 12 years, while playing fine 2B, that would be terrific value.  I'm hoping. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 11, 2015, 11:40:15 am
Thorpe throw's mid 90's?  I thought he was more of a soft tosser.  Were you thinking of Northwood?

The starters seem to sit low 90's and can touch mid 90's.  I'd put Edwards in that group.  That seems to be the Cubs sweet spot for starters.  They throw harder than Hendrix, but the aren't sitting mid 90's.  Reliever's seem to still be guys that throw harder, but not the 100 mph guys.





Yes.  Norwood is the one I was thinking of.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: jacey1 on June 11, 2015, 01:30:26 pm
Okay, now that we're quoting other sources about Chiman's kid, here's a portion of an actual and true interview the kid gave a year ago with local prep baseball site.

PBR: Who has had the biggest impact on you as a baseball player?

Mobley: Both my Mom and Dad have made a huge impact on my baseball career! They are always willing to go out if their way to do whatever I need. My dad has spent countless hours working with me to be the best that I can be.


Stuff That Dreams Are Made Of Do Not Happen By Accident.

Congrats to you and your wife Chi....It makes a parent proud to see their child live his dream. And you and your wife can sure know that you both had a key role in him ending up where he is today. Congrats again.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 11, 2015, 02:06:16 pm
This is the web site of a former PSD poster who keeps track of signings/likely to signs.

http://ccdt.webs.com/

MT Minacci seems likely to sign.  I think Dave23 mentioned his colorful past.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 11, 2015, 03:05:55 pm

http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/129817644/lure-of-college-swaying-cubs-pick-jadred-padgett

Interesting that Padgett bottom line was $800,000 at round 3---and Cubs wouldn't go there.  If Hudson gets more than $800,000, think that will tell us Cubs preferred Hudson all along. Padgett doesn't really know about other guys Cubs were talking to for that pick.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 11, 2015, 04:29:53 pm
Yeah, if $800 was his target, that's not much.  I wonder how accurate some of the stories are, though.  The story literally says "the same conversation" happened in round 5.  Maybe with Cardinals or other teams.  But by round 5, the Cubs had already spent their cash on Hudson and Wilson.  So I don't think they'd be calling him again, other than to ask if his price would have dropped a bunch down to 5th round slot. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chiman on June 11, 2015, 06:25:20 pm
Again thanks to everyone(even CurtOne and that trouble making JR)for there support. I will hopefully have some pics and info to share with everyone next week.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 11, 2015, 06:26:20 pm
Pics would be cool. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on June 11, 2015, 08:09:27 pm
Well I wanted to share with the board that my son Cody Mobley was selected in the 8th round by the Mariners and will sign a contract tonight.  Cody was a high school senior and had a full ride to the University of Evansville of the MVC here in southern Indiana. He is a Fastball/CB/SL pitcher and sat 90-91 and touching 94 this year. Curveball is his wipeout pitch and the slider has gotten better all year long. We signed for we'll above slot and he will have full tuition to any college he desires(minus Ivy League)after his playing days are over. We leave for Seattle on Sunday, physical on Monday and we will get to tour Safeco and there facility's on Monday. We are very excited and although I don't post much on this topic I have been a 20 + year guy on this board and the the previous boards that we have had prior to this. I wish the Cubs would have been interested but it didn't work out so I am a duel fan of my beloved Cubs and the Mariners moving forward. It has been a fantastic ride this year and I wanted to share that dreams do come true.

Congratulations to your son.  Too bad the Cubs didn't draft him.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 11, 2015, 09:18:18 pm
According to the site blue posted, a paper local to Dewees said that he is getting full slot. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 11, 2015, 09:31:56 pm
Monaco signed for a $1000. Which seems to be more than his asking price of a plane ticket and snickers bar.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 11, 2015, 11:01:08 pm
Monaco signed for a $1000. Which seems to be more than his asking price of a plane ticket and snickers bar.

It's Minacci not Monaco.  It's obviously his right to sign for whatever he can agree on with a MLB club, but on the next CBA, the MLBPA ought to really insist on a signing minimum for drafted players.  Doesn't have to be very much but a minimum of $5,000 as a signing bonus for a draftee seems fair.  But then again the MLBPA has proven time and time again that they don't really give a crap about players who are not currently on a MLB 40-man roster.

Edited to add:

My suggestion of a $5K minimum would only apply to DRAFTED players as they're limited to negotiating with only one team.  The $5K minimum shouldn't be applied to undrafted free agents as nothing is preventing them from being able to negotiate with all 30 organizations.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 11, 2015, 11:10:55 pm
My iPhone autocorrected his name and I didn't catch it. I'm actually kinda rooting for the kid and that made me feel incredibly old.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 12, 2015, 07:45:10 am
Perfect Game write-up from January 2013...

MT Minacci is a 2013 RHP/SS with a 6-2 175 lb. frame from Tallahassee, FL who attends North Florida Christian HS. Long lean projectable build. Smooth balanced delivery, high 3/4's arm slot, throws downhill well, long loose arm action, ball comes out cleanly, low effort release. Fastball topped at 88 mph, have seen 90 mph frequently in the past, good late sinking life at times. High velocity 11/5 curveball with hard spin and sharp bite, will flatten out to more of a sweeping slurve at times, some feel for an upper 70's change up. Polished pitcher with good present stuff and some physical projection left. Has shown two-way prospect talent in the past but only pitched this event. Good student, signed with Florida State. 


PG Grade 9.5
 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 12, 2015, 11:27:24 am
Monaco signed for a $1000. Which seems to be more than his asking price of a plane ticket and snickers bar.

Ryan Williams signed for $1,000 last year.  If you squeeze a signee like that, better give him a chance to play and advance---which Cubs have done with Williams. Think club owes that to a player who signed for the pittance and allowed club to maneuver draft money. Make sure he gets a chance.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 12, 2015, 11:31:57 am
Minacci is outside the draft pool so it didn't help the Cubs.  He was working for a landscapping buisness and somebody convinced him to do a workout for some scouts.  He worked out for 2 months and got his fastball up into the 90's.  The Cubs saw the initial workout and brought him in for a private work out.  He just wants the opportunity to play.  I'm going to root for the kid and hope he does well.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 12, 2015, 12:41:58 pm
I am too...school's just not for everyone, as it turns out...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 12, 2015, 01:32:47 pm
If no one else wishes to sign a player, there is no reason for him to get a larger signing bonus.  If there are other teams willing to give more, he should sign with the other guys.

Anyone that is signed to a professional contract is being given a chance.  If he performs well, he should and will get promoted.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 12, 2015, 02:01:53 pm
If no one else wishes to sign a player, there is no reason for him to get a larger signing bonus.  If there are other teams willing to give more, he should sign with the other guys.

Anyone that is signed to a professional contract is being given a chance.  If he performs well, he should and will get promoted.

A draft means that the player is with one organization. It's not a free market.

And, there is a pecking order within each organization. Not everybody gets the same chance. These guys compete within the organization for opportunities and playing time. For low-end guys going in, it can be a tough slog getting attention. Closer to a meritocracy than mosts endeavors but some of these guys are on a short leash compared to the higher profile guys. For example, Dillon Maples would be long gone if he were a $1,000 bonus guy. An extreme example, but the notion that don't worry, you'll get same chance as the next guy---A Myth.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 12, 2015, 02:22:05 pm
Jim Bowden has a piece up about the draft and the clubs who did well.  He has Cubs #5. 

5. Chicago Cubs

The Cubs continued their draft dominance under the leadership of Theo Epstein. Their first pick, Ian Happ, is a switch hitter who can play all three outfield positions as well as second base, versatility that has earned him comparisons to Ben Zobrist, who Joe Maddon managed in Tampa Bay. Cubs VP Jason McLeod told me they worked him out at second base and were impressed, but they'll play him all over the place this summer and then decide where to put him. He has skills that exceed his tools, including 15-20 home run power, and is an on-base machine. The best bet here is that he ends up at second base, with left field being his best fallback position.

Meanwhile, the Cubs' second pick, Donnie Dewees reminds me of a young Brett Gardner. He has speed and power and profiles as a center field/leadoff type, though due to a lack of arm strength -- he has a Coco Crisp type of arm -- he might have to play left field.

The Cubs also nabbed some upside lefty pitching in Bryan Hudson and Ryan Kellogg.


Regarding Dewees, Keith Law fielded a question about him during his draft day chat.  Said he a 20 arm. A 20!!! 

I don't want a guy with a rag arm like that in CF.  How many bases did Pierre give up because of throwing with Cubs?  It was brutal--made worse by the all-time horrible throwing OF, Jacques Jones, Pierre, Murton.  That was an embarrassment. Clubs ran wild against the Cubs.

So, yes, let's develop Dewees as a LFer if he has a 20 arm.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 12, 2015, 04:57:49 pm
Did the two armed Perez get drafted?  I missed it.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 12, 2015, 05:02:08 pm
Yes.  Somewhere around the 20th round or after.  I forget who took him.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 12, 2015, 05:18:22 pm

Cleveland took Ryan Perez in the 12th round:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/elgin-courier-news/sports/ct-ecn-baseball-draft-ryan-perez-st-0611-20150610-story.html
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 12, 2015, 09:50:05 pm
Jim Callis tweeted out Cody Mobley's signing. Callis thinks his curve is his best pitch and not many teams knew about him.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 13, 2015, 06:08:22 pm
Watched Brad Ziegler close out DBacks 1-0 win over Giants last night (nice game for Welly Castillo too).

If there is a comp for 6th rounder David Berg, it's probably Ziegler. Ziegler works at 83.7 fastball, with junk and weirdness for hitters. That's Berg.

I know it's college stats and all---but Berg's college career is pretty extraordinary. His numbers are something else. If he has the mental toughness, wonder if he can be Ziegler.

No sense fooling around with Berg in Class A. Probably the rare finished product out of college. What you see is what you get. With that style, who is going to coach him? Start him in AA and, if holds his own, AAA before end of season. Curious what he's going to do as a pro (and if the bonus is going to be somewhat of a surprise for a 6-10 senior sign).
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 13, 2015, 06:11:18 pm
Berg just became the first pitcher to win two stopper-of-the-year awards:

http://www.ocregister.com/ucla/berg-666364-national-year.html
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 13, 2015, 06:45:15 pm
I think he'll start out at Eugene after working out in Arizona and after he gets his feet wet he'll move quickly.  He'll be really interesting to follow.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 13, 2015, 08:59:46 pm
It's pretty difficult to square up 83 when you've been looking at 89-91 all game...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on June 13, 2015, 10:12:17 pm
The only comp I have for Berg is Dan Quisenberry. He was 56-46, 2.76 with 244 saves over 12 seasons, and led the AL in saves five times. Berg will have the same advantage Q had - hitters will probably not see him for more than five or six AB's over the course of a season. Berg had WHIPS of 0.80, 0.85, 0.86 and 0.85 and a career ERA of 1.11 in college, so he very rarely has control issues.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 13, 2015, 10:26:58 pm
I remember Quisenberry, a submariner.  But he always looked fast to me.  Of course, they didn't have guns reported on TV at that time, so I have no idea what his actual velocities were.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Chris27 on June 13, 2015, 10:55:33 pm
This article from '86 refers to Quisenberry's "80 mph heat" which is about what I recall.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20093309,00.html


This Grantland piece suggests he probably threw mid-80's.

http://grantland.com/features/brad-ziegler-appreciating-submarine-pitchers/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Cubsin on June 13, 2015, 10:55:59 pm
I remember Quisenberry, a submariner.  But he always looked fast to me.  Of course, they didn't have guns reported on TV at that time, so I have no idea what his actual velocities were.

Here's a quote from a 1986 People magazine article: "Quisenberry, with his 80 mph "heat," was never exactly unhittable (like Goose Gossage, with his 96 mph fastball)." I saw him much more often when he was with the Cardinals later in his career, and he certainly wasn't fast then.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on June 13, 2015, 10:59:06 pm
I always liked Quisenberry.  He once said something like, "I throw sinkers.  When I'm on, I give up ground balls.  When I'm off, I still give up ground balls, the first bounce is just four hundred feet from home plate."
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 14, 2015, 02:34:30 pm
Preston Morrison is pitching against LSU on ESPN.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 14, 2015, 02:49:13 pm
Morrison gets through the first on 10 pitches, including a K of Bregman.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 14, 2015, 03:20:30 pm
Morrison has really good command of the fastball and movement.  I'm not sure if there is enough velocity, but he could remind you of Hendrix.

Pouche, SO LHP, from LSU is really similar as well.  He might be in the process of developing a Lester/Garza throwing to 1B problem. To soft dribers back to the pitcher, 2 errors to first on the throw.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 14, 2015, 03:58:44 pm
Happ tweeted out he's going to Arizona. Hudson tweeted he is inclined to sign.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 14, 2015, 04:34:56 pm
Nothing to get excited about.  Happ just heard about the strip joint near the Phoenix airport.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 14, 2015, 05:13:33 pm
6th rounder Craig Brooks has signed for $5,000.

10th rounder Vimael Machin has signed for $2,000.

Somebody buy these guys a ham sandwich.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 14, 2015, 05:19:15 pm
Those two signings give the Cubs a little over 350 thousand overslot money to use elsewhere.  And the players get a chance to prove themselves.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 14, 2015, 06:41:34 pm
It is being reported (nothing official) that Hudson has signed for 1.1 million.  If so, that is where the 350 thousand went.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 14, 2015, 07:30:55 pm
What's the signing date deadline for college seniors taken in the draft?   

Is it July 17th like it is for the HS and college underclassman drafted? 

If college seniors are subject to a signing date deadline, when do they become free agents if they don't sign with the team that drafted them? 

Do they have to wait until next June's draft to see if they're drafted again before becoming a free agent?

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 14, 2015, 07:34:21 pm
6th rounder Craig Brooks has signed for $5,000.

10th rounder Vimael Machin has signed for $2,000.

Somebody buy these guys a ham sandwich.

Craig Brooks was the 7th round pick.  The 6th rounder was:

(http://www.viennabeef.com/filebin/images/brands/davidBerg.jpg)

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 14, 2015, 07:59:57 pm
David Berg ‏@davidberg_26  19m19 minutes ago
Wheels up to Az ✈️
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: papa smurf on June 15, 2015, 07:44:25 am
Excited to start my journey with the @Cubs First stop Arizona  from Happ
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 15, 2015, 08:12:23 am
Happ signed for $3 million, about $350,000 below slot.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: papa smurf on June 15, 2015, 08:16:25 am
cool so we should have alot of money to sign one of the high schoolers
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 15, 2015, 09:13:11 am
Depending upon how much it takes to sign Dewees.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 15, 2015, 09:14:55 am
Dewees is rumored to be a slot deal.  I think the real question is how much does it take to sign Wilson.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 15, 2015, 09:56:58 am
So, if Dewees is slot and Happ/Hudson are $350K under/over, that would leave them right on-slot through round 3. 

15% overage allows an extra $350, is that what you wrote Blue?  Not sure how much exactly the senior-signs will come under, but I'd think around $650 would be pretty conservative, somewhere in the $500-800 range? 

If the Wilson slot is around $500, the round-numbers very much seem to fit with $1.5 as the target for Wilson. 

I'm still somewhat surprised that of all the guys on the board who would have signed for $1.5, or pairs of guys who'd have signed for $750-each, that they opted for Wilson.  But it sure looks like a $1.5-type deal to me. 

I expect they had a defined price.  They had all night and all morning to be processing numbers with Wilson, followed immediately by slot Kellogg and then five senior signs.  Don't think we've heard Berg's number, perhaps he's not a $10K guy.  But I've really got to assume that they pretty much had a price on Wilson that they thought they could pay, if they did what they did. 

Also seems remotely unlikely that if they didn't have a defined deal with Wilson, that they didn't draft any other backup plans until round 26.  If they weren't pretty sure there $$ would get Wilson, and thought that if they didn't that they might end up with an extra $800 to spend, I'd have thought they'd draft a backup plan or two prior to Padgett in round 26.   
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 15, 2015, 10:15:37 am
I doubt there is going to be much money left after Wilson.  Maybe a $100-200,000 that you can spread around to sign some of their later round guys, but not the super expensive ones.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 15, 2015, 11:24:10 am
Absolutely.  They got a number of Wilson, they figured they could and they wanted to make it work if they did the right senior signs, and they proceeded accordingly.  If they thought they were $150K short, they'd have senior-signed in round 5, too.  If they thought they had $400 extra, they probably wouldn't have been senior-signing so early.  I'm very confident that they got it all budgeted down very carefully, perhaps with just a little cushion in the event that a father gets greedy and changes the story after the draft compared to what's said night of the draft, or whatever. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 15, 2015, 01:03:27 pm
Happ at #9 signed for slot between #12 and 13.

Guess the Cubs pre-draft approach to him is that, if we pass on you, you'll go #14 or later. So, let's cut a deal for #12-13 money.

Similar to Cubs approach to Schwarber in 2014.

Sure guys like Happ read some of the pre-draft mocks or are referred to them, as the good mocks reflect a sort of industry consensus. Guessing the mocks help convince a guy like Happ that #12-13 money is a fair deal for him. Maybe he didn't see one of the late mocks having at #7 to Boston.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 15, 2015, 01:06:56 pm
The teams will contact the player/advisor and I think they have a decent idea of what range they will go from that.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 15, 2015, 01:13:59 pm
Will be interesting to see Wilson bonus. If it's near $1.5, that a Vandy premium, obviously.

Interesting how a certain program/school has that impact on signing bonus---the credible threat to walk away. You can get sometimes a better deal buying a mattress doing that. Head to the door and see what happens.

Hard to believe but there was a time that MLB tried to keep secret what round a player was selected, after first round. A week after draft, MLB would release lists for each team in alphabetical order. Purpose was to keep college recruiters in dark about how draftees were valued by the pros. Didn't work. BA somehow got the draft order list and published it. Much better relationship between MLB and college baseball now.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 15, 2015, 01:16:22 pm
I think one of the most difficult jobs of the area scout is to get to know the prospect and his family well enough to have a good feel on what it will take to sign him.  You can talk all you want to them, but no matter what figure you arrive at, it is always possible for the guy to renege on his agreement, and ask for more.  For the higher rounds, that would put the team in a difficult situation.  They can refuse to sign him of course, but they lose the entire slot money, which is a problem if you intend that money to help sign a lower round pick.

For the college seniors in round 6 through 10, it probably doesn't happen often.  These guys are not good enough to be able to afford to **** off their new employers, and even if the team gives in and adds to the agreed upon amount, they may well rot on the bench in Mesa until they are released a couple of years later.

But for the most part, the area scout has the job of building a relationship with the potential draftee and his family, and most people on both parts of an agreement tend to stick to that agreement when a mutual trust has developed.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 15, 2015, 01:21:34 pm
Guessing Happ is wise to take sure 12.5-slot rather than turning down 9th pick.  10, 11, and 12 are the only three chances to draft above 12.5. 
*First, who knows how interested any of those teams are in picking him? 
*Second, even if 10-11-12 are interested in picking him, who knows how willing they'll be to pay full slot for him as a low-leverage college guy?  They may want 10% under slot, too. 

I think your point is well taken, though, that mocks/rankings frame expectations.  If you've been expecting top-3 pick and top-3 money for the last 12 months, getting picked 9th with 12.5 money is probably harder to accept than if you've been getting framed in the 7-25 range for months. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 15, 2015, 01:22:24 pm
The teams will contact the player/advisor and I think they have a decent idea of what range they will go from that.

Of course, but the player/advisor don't get their range out of thin air.

For a college guy like Happ, who obviously 99.9% intends to sign, how does he know his market value pre-draft? He gets feedback fron clubs interested in him--spot where they draft--and the mocks give him that kind of info too.

HS premium guys a bit different. Some just have a dollar amount in mind that is worth their while to pass up college. If don't get it, don't sign.

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 15, 2015, 01:32:12 pm
If teams x,y,z aren't calling to gauge your price chances are good that x,y, or z aren't going to pick you in the first round.  Outside of the first round HS guys likely have a number in mind.  For draft-eligible soph it is still likely a number to sign.  College juniors would be a little more tricky.  If you don't sign you are going to have little leverage next year, so unless you think your really going to jump your draft stock or love school it is likely closer to slot value for most of them.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 15, 2015, 01:37:23 pm
reb, I don't really buy the logic in the Vandy premium.  The Cubs value each prospect on their board, and try to get the best value. 

They drafted Wilson with a $1.5 price tag because: a) they valued him as worth at least that $1.5 price, and b) they thought his value per price was better than alternatives.  They bought him because they thought he was the best bargain.   

If they scouted him as a $1.0 value, they would have either invested their $1.5 on somebody who they valued above $1.0, or else they would have invested their $1.5 on two guys with scouting valuation more in the $0.7-0.8 range, with combined value above Wilson's scouted value. 

Totally a scouting thing, and the Cubs thought he was worth it. Given all the other HS guys who are good prospects but set a price tag, the Cubs surely had plenty of other interesting options on which to spend their $1.5.  They spent it on him because they scouted him best.  Vandy had nothing to do with that. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 15, 2015, 01:58:23 pm
Aaron Fitt ‏@aaronfitt  6m6 minutes ago
And John Kilichowski will take the mound for Vandy.

In case anybody wants to see what the Cubs can't sign.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 15, 2015, 02:00:13 pm
Not saying Cubs will pay more to a guy than they think he's worth.

If Wilson gets $1.5 from Cubs, it means Cubs think he's worth $1.5 to them.

But, let's say Wilson was barely a C- minus student with no interest in sitting through a required math class at State U---and therefore no credible college alternative--is he going to get $1.5 as one of many premium,but non-elite HS guys?

He's going to get less because his bargaining power is nil. Market value is not generally just a fixed value based on the merits.

Think Vandy recruit adds a premium, compared to say a Maryland recruit, because MLB knows Vandy guys tend to honor their commitment there. More bargaining power because when they say---seriously considering playing college, they often mean it.

Of course, if Vandy guy isn't worth $1.5 to any club, he won't get it. Not all their recruits will be offered that. But, for the right guy, the Vandy guy has the best bargaining leverage to turn $1.1 to 1.5.

Maybe Wilson gets $1.1 but think it will be more than if he was going to Maryland.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 15, 2015, 03:15:39 pm
Peitzmeier will fit right in...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 15, 2015, 03:20:53 pm
First walk off homer at TD Ameritrade.

Peitzmeier looked really good for his first 2 innings, but he was picked to save money.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 15, 2015, 03:36:25 pm
Not saying Cubs will pay more to a guy than they think he's worth.

If Wilson gets $1.5 from Cubs, it means Cubs think he's worth $1.5 to them.

But, let's say Wilson was barely a C- minus student with no interest in sitting through a required math class at State U---and therefore no credible college alternative--is he going to get $1.5 as one of many premium,but non-elite HS guys?

He's going to get less because his bargaining power is nil. Market value is not generally just a fixed value based on the merits.

Think Vandy recruit adds a premium, compared to say a Maryland recruit, because MLB knows Vandy guys tend to honor their commitment there. More bargaining power because when they say---seriously considering playing college, they often mean it.

Of course, if Vandy guy isn't worth $1.5 to any club, he won't get it. Not all their recruits will be offered that. But, for the right guy, the Vandy guy has the best bargaining leverage to turn $1.1 to 1.5.

Maybe Wilson gets $1.1 but think it will be more than if he was going to Maryland.

If he sets his line at $1.5, and a team values him at $1.5+, I don't think Vandy changes things.  He set a line, the Cubs decided it was worth paying and they picked and will now pay.  I don't think that's really any different from Hudson this year, or Sands and Steele last year, even though they weren't Vandy guys.  Each guy sets a line.

The key to me is that the Cubs scouted him as worth that much, and more worth that $1.5 than anybody else.  That says a lot about their perceived value of the prospect.  Hopefully they didn't misperceive his potential. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 15, 2015, 04:46:24 pm
The only impact I see on a Vanderbilt scholarship is that it might be considered by the prospect to be a valuable alternative to signing a pro contract.  If a one hundred thousand dollar prospect has a scholarship to Vanderbilt, he may hold out for one fifty, and go unsigned if he has a scholarship. 

But I see no reason why a team would sign a guy that they think is worth 100 thousand, for 150 thousand, merely because he is going to Vanderbilt.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 15, 2015, 07:51:02 pm
https://twitter.com/JonathanMayoB3/status/610582237516574722

Kellogg exactly on slot. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 15, 2015, 07:56:50 pm
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/13078377/tcu-pitcher-preston-morrison-picks-right-postseason-first

Preston MOrrison article.  In the single picture, he looks rather sidearm.  Not submarine, but nearer 9 o'clock than 10 o'clock. 

his postseason ERA is 2.41 in 59 2/3 innings.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 15, 2015, 07:57:52 pm
Aftermath of draft falling into place.

Shocking that Theo/Hoyer had a plan and seem to be executing it well. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 15, 2015, 08:31:27 pm
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/13078377/tcu-pitcher-preston-morrison-picks-right-postseason-first

Preston MOrrison article.  In the single picture, he looks rather sidearm.  Not submarine, but nearer 9 o'clock than 10 o'clock. 

He's either a low 3/4 or side arm.  To me it looks more low 3/4 in how he brings the back and his delivery is more up right than what I think of a side arm pitcher.  It is kinda like Aaron Nola's from last year.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 15, 2015, 10:38:21 pm
According to a poster on PSD 34th round pick Cody Hawken, OF, will sign if the Cubs meet his number. No indication if the Cubs can/will meet his number.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on June 15, 2015, 10:42:33 pm
According to a poster on PSD 34th round pick Cody Hawken, OF, will sign if the Cubs meet his number. No indication if the Cubs can/will meet his number.

Won't ANYONE sign if the drafting team "meets his number"?  Isn't the more meaningful question what his number might be?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 15, 2015, 11:05:42 pm
Which is why I qualified it captain obvious.  Several of the Cubs draftees have said they won't sign, so his indication that he could sign is interesting.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Dave23 on June 16, 2015, 04:22:41 pm
Per Twitter, it seems that 17th rounder Casey Bloomquist and 29th rounder Ian Rice are signing...
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 17, 2015, 11:07:37 am
https://twitter.com/Savermetrics?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fccdt.webs.com%2F&profile_id=424698352&tw_i=611201490548563968&tw_p=embeddedtimeline&tw_w=345639413285539841

Wes Saver ‏@Savermetrics  7m7 minutes ago
In case that wasn't clear enough, #Cubs have signed #MLBDraft 4th round selection DJ Wilson.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 17, 2015, 11:27:24 am
According to "draft report" which isn't official but has an excellent track record, the Cubs have signed or are going to sign 8 of their first 10 picks, and I believe that the other 2 are still playing and can not negotiate.  In addition, they have signed or will sign 5 of the next 10.

Unfortunately, there pool money was substantially smaller this year, and their first 4 picks used up most of the overslot money, so probably not a lot will come out of the "over 10" picks.

It will be interesting to see how aggressive and how successful they will be in the IFA market.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 17, 2015, 11:51:29 am
Peitzmeier's team was eliminated yesterday so he should sign soon.

Rose is the most interesting of the 11-20 guys, but a lot of them have that hey maybe see something there quality.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 17, 2015, 10:00:48 pm
Wilson in a article said he was signing.  No bonus info was given.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: ben on June 18, 2015, 06:57:54 am
Anyone know if Donnie Dewees (R2) has signed?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: jacey1 on June 18, 2015, 01:05:43 pm
Can anyone tell me what slot is for 6th round pick?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 18, 2015, 01:26:36 pm
$281,900

http://ccdt.webs.com/
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: jacey1 on June 18, 2015, 01:51:59 pm
thanks CBJ
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 19, 2015, 03:54:49 pm
Dave Berg's 6th round bonus is $50,000.

Cubs save $231,900 for the HS guys.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 23, 2015, 09:07:56 pm
Cubs signed Dewees for $1.7 million, around $400,000 over slot.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on June 23, 2015, 09:09:58 pm
That's surprising.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 23, 2015, 09:11:14 pm
Too much or too little?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 23, 2015, 09:16:19 pm
Cubs signed Dewees for $1.7 million, around $400,000 over slot.

That is surprising.  He was a draft eligible sophomore, though, wasn't he?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 23, 2015, 09:18:03 pm
Draft eligible sophomore, but a year older than Happ.

More than I thought he'd get, but it also means the Cubs value him like a first round pick.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 23, 2015, 09:34:41 pm
Yeah, bargaining power as a draft eligible sophomore.

Dewees is one of three college guys in first three rounds to sign overslot so far.

Dewees (draft eligible soph), Casey Hughston (draft eligible soph), and pre-season #1 overall pick candidate and now injured Mike Matuella taken day two.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: DelMarFan on June 23, 2015, 11:15:19 pm
He's the CF with no arm, right?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 23, 2015, 11:16:37 pm
Yes
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 23, 2015, 11:17:29 pm
Guessing the arm puts him in LF.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 23, 2015, 11:34:54 pm
I think it will be really interesting what positions Happ and Dewees play when they hit the same level.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on June 24, 2015, 06:18:59 pm
I hope the Cubs make a bid.  https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/meet-the-16-year-old-girl-who-just-made-mlb-122340500572.html
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 24, 2015, 07:20:32 pm
Cubs have signed BA #172 prospect USC lefty pitcher Kyle Twomey, 13th rounder. Pitched at the Cape.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 24, 2015, 10:08:00 pm
Tyler Peitzmeier has signed, reportedly for 5 thousand dollars.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 24, 2015, 10:31:13 pm
Tyler Peitzmeier has signed, reportedly for 5 thousand dollars.

Assuming Morrison at 9th round signs for around same, Cubs will have about $1.2 to spend on Hudson and Wilson combined, including overage.  Seems right there to get it done.

Lots of pre-draft planning and legwork to get all this to fit. Interesting how clubs combine and balance overslots and underslots to put a signable draft together and get the guys they want. Also based on guys actually signing for what they say pre-draft they'll sign for. Impressive how the process works.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 25, 2015, 08:03:25 am
Put differently, between their slot values and the other money, if Morrison is a $5K guy they'll be around $2.45 combined to spend on both Hudson and Wilson (and any 3rd-day overslots, which of course will be none.)   Split it equally, $1.2 each?  $1.1 Hudson and $1.35 for Wilson? 

I wonder if Dewees didn't go a little higher than they'd hoped; maybe the goals had been to get Wilson to $1.5? 

But yeah, I agree they are pretty good at making things work out.  I suspect that everything is perhaps easier than in the old days.  Now it seems the player sets the price, the team decides, and then adjusts accordingly.  Probably not nearly as uch actual negotiating. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 25, 2015, 02:13:02 pm
Cubs announce Wilson signing---no bonus info yet.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 25, 2015, 03:56:30 pm
When you look at the complexity, it is surprising that they don't have more problems such as that which happened with Houston/Aiken/Nix last year.  You have to be extremely careful not to make promises until you are absolutely sure everything is going as expected.  You can't assume the player is signed until the medical reports and all other possibilities are completed.

I would imagine that the greatest danger is drafting someone because he will sign for 5 thousand dollars and then have him demand 50,000 after the draft.  You have to decide whether to make a point or forgo the slot money.  But unless the prospect is certain that he isn't going to make it to the majors anyway, it is probably suicide to **** off the guys that are going to decide whether or not to promote you in the future.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 25, 2015, 04:18:08 pm
It's a one company town. 

There's only one MLB and one club at a time with rights to the player. There is no market out there for the player other than the atypical Daz Cameron-type situation.

So, where there is no real marketplace, folks tend to honor a gentlemans' agreement---if they want to work. And the club has to honor agreements to do business, other than atypical Aiken-type situation.

In a real market, think we'd see more of these pre-draft $$$ understandings fall away. Happens way more often in the international players market. Yeah, interesting how the draft $$  mosaic fits together. Last step for Cubs is fitting together Hudson at #3 and the last underslot TCU guy.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 25, 2015, 05:31:22 pm
The international market ls less encumbered than the US market, but even there, there are restrictions (IFA allotments, age requirements, "signing years" etc.). 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 25, 2015, 08:57:22 pm
Wilson signed for $1.3 million.

According to Callis the Cubs have $1.1 million for Hudson.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JeffH on June 25, 2015, 09:25:42 pm
If Morrison signs for $59,205, they'll have exactly $1,100,000 for Hudson.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 25, 2015, 10:01:11 pm
$ 1.3  for Wilson is just about slot for Cubs second round pick #47 ($1.292.1)---the Dewees pick.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 25, 2015, 10:06:33 pm
Money left for Hudson is about slot value #52/53---mid-second round money.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 27, 2015, 01:21:16 am
The $2,000 bonus by Cubs to the VCU 10th rounder is the lowest top 10 rounds bonus paid to any player, so far.

Think Cubs had the honors last year too.

Dodgers have two guys at $2,500.

No other organization has had the temerity to go under $5,000.  Just Cubs and Dodgers.

Understand the way, way underslot strategy for signing the overslot guys etc. etc. etc. etc. but is it really necessary to squeeze the turnip on these poor schmucks to get them down from $5,000 to $2,000?  28 other organizations don't seem to be doing this.

Eventually, Theo is going to draft a guy 8th round who pays the Cubs $2,000 and Theo will argue Cubs get full underslot value + $2,000. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 27, 2015, 09:15:13 am
https://twitter.com/jpmorrison18/status/614260428856672256

Morrison has apparently signed, although whether he's gotten far enough, don't know.  "Officially" in the twitter stream, but whether that means passed the physicals and it really is official or not, don't know. 

Once he's locked in, then they'll be able to finalize Hudson as well.   
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 27, 2015, 09:28:48 am
I wonder what college picks and college seniors taken on the 3rd day actually get.  The "slot" is $100K max.  Do guys routinely get that?  Or, is that not really true at all?  A couple get $100K (Austyn Willis), and one or two HS overslots get $200 or $275 (Clifton and the Missouri CF.), and maybe some more interesting college juniors get that (Twomey and Rose, maybe?).   But are many/most 3rd day signings, particularly college guys, and especially college seniors, getting way, way below $100K? 

The reason I ask is because *IF* 3rd day college guys, including seniors, are routinely getting $30-$50-$100K, I wonder why a senior would say yes in round 8?  Why doesn't Morrison say, "No, thanks, Theo.  I'm glad you believe in me to the tune of $5K, but I'm thinking tomorrow somebody will believe in me to the tune of $30K or $50K"?.  "Maybe even your guy McLeod."   Why say yes to a $5K deal on Tuesday if there's a reasonable shot to get an extra $20K or $40K or maybe $95K the next day? 

Seems to only makes sense if 3rd day college guys are likewise getting $5K deals?  Somehow I hadn't imagined that's really how low all the other teams are going on 3rd day guys, but maybe it is.  Simplest explanation is often the best explanation, I guess. 

Maybe some status; guys do want to be able to say they were drafted in the top-10 rounds, even if at expense of money? 

Or, maybe is there some other "workaround", 'beat-the-system" kind of compensation?  Perhaps not cheating; I expect the Cubs are pretty careful and would not be doing anything illegal on this, but maybe some loophole they have found?  Something special that they include in the 2nd-day senior-sign packages to compensate the player? 
*If/when we release you or you retire, we'll include a non-standard $50K severance package into your contract? 
*We'll pay you $6K salary per month, compared to standard $2K salary? 

Just seems curious that guys agree to such small deals if they had a chance to get better deals the next day. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: JR on June 27, 2015, 09:42:41 am
I think a lot of the college seniors taken later don't get any kind of signing bonus at all, actually.  They just sign for the opportunity to play.  I'm pretty sure I've read that someplace before.

That VCU guy might have been someone who ordinarily wouldn't have even gotten a signing bonus.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on June 27, 2015, 10:04:20 am
Baseball America had a story about seniors and the draft. The past 10 round guys typically get $5,000 or less
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on June 27, 2015, 10:52:07 am
It is one of the area scout's job to determine what is needed to sign a particular prospect.  From what we have read, it is normal on draft day (all three days) to call and ask the prospect if he will sign for XXX dollars.  and to pass on that prospect if he says no.  A college senior that is called in the 8th round and asked if he will sign for 8,000 dollars has to decide if it is better to be drafted in the 8th round and be guaranteed a chance to prove himself, or say no and hope for more money being drafted in later rounds but run the risk of not being drafted at all, and begin his career at McDonalds rather than at Mesa.  In many cases, McDonald's signing bonus is substantially less than 2,000 dollars.

The amounts after round ten are not really "slot" money, but "cap" money.  After the 20th round or so, there are probably very few college players that sign for as much as  100,000 dollars.  While the high school players can not only get 100.000 dollars, but also a scholarship worth much more than that (regardless of how many actually take advantage of it).

The college seniors that the Cubs and other teams are taking in round 6 through 10 are being taken BECAUSE they are willing to sign for the small amounts.  They are not being cheated because they get so little.  They have made the decision that it is better for them to be certain to sign with someone at that amount than to take the gamble of waiting to try to get more, but run the risk of being unsigned and careerless.

By the way, some do get more.  According to one kid the Cubs signed (Mancini or somebody) he told them he would sign merely for a plane ticket to Mesa, and the Cubs gave him a couple of thousand in addition.

As long as the ethics are concerned, as long as there are rules, and club has to play by those rules, there is nothing wrong with a strategy that allows the team to maximize it's benefits consistent with those rules.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on June 27, 2015, 12:03:27 pm
The $2,000 bonus by Cubs to the VCU 10th rounder is the lowest top 10 rounds bonus paid to any player, so far.

Think Cubs had the honors last year too.

Dodgers have two guys at $2,500.

No other organization has had the temerity to go under $5,000.  Just Cubs and Dodgers.

Understand the way, way underslot strategy for signing the overslot guys etc. etc. etc. etc. but is it really necessary to squeeze the turnip on these poor schmucks to get them down from $5,000 to $2,000?  28 other organizations don't seem to be doing this.

Eventually, Theo is going to draft a guy 8th round who pays the Cubs $2,000 and Theo will argue Cubs get full underslot value + $2,000. 
Reminds me of Uecker's story.  "I signed for $5000.  But it took my dad almost the whole summer to raise the money."
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on June 27, 2015, 01:08:25 pm
Baseball America had a story about seniors and the draft. The past 10 round guys typically get $5,000 or less

That would explain it, then. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on June 27, 2015, 08:14:51 pm
8th rounder Morrison has signed for $30,000.

That leaves about $ 1,129,200 for Hudson.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CUBluejays on July 01, 2015, 10:50:25 pm
Cubs sign Hudson for $1.1 million.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on July 01, 2015, 11:10:54 pm
That is what they have left almost to the penny.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Reb on July 02, 2015, 01:58:04 am
That is what they have left almost to the penny.

$29, 205 left.

Obviously, Dave must be a big tipper:  "here's a C-note kid. Have a nice day."
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on July 02, 2015, 06:50:46 am
$29, 205 left.

Obviously, Dave must be a big tipper:  "here's a C-note kid. Have a nice day."
Must be talking about a different Dave than I know.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on July 02, 2015, 10:46:27 am
No one knows how much Curt tips, since he has never picked up a tab.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on July 02, 2015, 01:46:01 pm
I picked up a tab once.  I was dating this girl 50 years ago and she wouldn't pick it up, so I had to.  The cars behind us were starting to honk.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: davep on July 02, 2015, 01:49:39 pm
I picked up a tab once.  I was dating this girl 50 years ago and she wouldn't pick it up, so I had to.

You probably shouldn't have been dating your little sister.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: CurtOne on July 02, 2015, 01:54:15 pm
We were in Arkansas at the time.  Give me a break.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: StrikeZone on July 02, 2015, 03:30:08 pm
I picked up a tab once.  I was dating this girl 50 years ago and she wouldn't pick it up, so I had to.  The cars behind us were starting to honk.

Did she object to hiding in the trunk when you pulled into the drive-in?
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 03, 2015, 08:35:56 pm

Here's the Baseball America article on how college seniors are treated in the MLB Draft:



Draft Proves To Be Gut-Punch For Seniors

June 20, 2015 by John Manuel

Everyone knows baseball is a business.

North Carolina State infielder Logan Ratledge discovered the full extent of it, however, particularly for a college senior going through the current draft system.

Seniors have always been considered budget-minded draft picks because they have no amateur leverage left; it’s pro ball or nothing. But they have become essential commodities under the new draft rules, a way for teams to stretch their draft signing budgets. Signing a senior for $5,000 when his draft slot is valued at, say, $160,000, yields a savings of $155,000 that can be applied elsewhere. And the savings add up with more seniors.

A few clubs took this approach in 2012, the first draft held under the new rules. The process has been refined since then and many more clubs have adopted it, especially when they draft players considered tough signs higher in the draft.

Seniors know the system, but even if they’ve been drafted before, it’s hard to be prepared for the process. It’s a process that sees the players simply as assets, and as a result, the players are often treated poorly.

Coming off a fall shoulder injury, Ratledge had controlled his controllables all spring. Two-thirds of the way through the season the 5-foot-11, 192-pounder moved over from second base to shortstop, defending capably and helping push the Wolfpack to a strong finish.

He finished the year batting .329/.431/.558 with 10 homers and 11 stolen bases, leading the team in all those categories.

read more:  http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/draft-proves-gut-punch-seniors/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/draft-proves-gut-punch-seniors/)

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 03, 2015, 08:53:27 pm
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/CFulmerCWS_zpscljvq93p.png)


Vanderbilt RHP Carson Fulmer, the overall #8 pick, signs with the White Sox for his full slot value of $3,470,600.  Of the top overall 13 picks, only #1 pick Vanderbilt SS Dansby Swanson (D-Backs) and #7 pick Arkansas OF Andrew Benintendi (Red Sox) haven't yet to sign with a MLB organization.  Five of those eleven signed players received full slot value. Six signed for less than their slot value. Not one of the eleven signed players received over slot value.


http://www.baseballamerica.com/draftdb/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draftdb/)

Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: craig on July 03, 2015, 09:02:23 pm
I think one possible benefit of the growing perception that seniors get paid really badly is that juniors may be more reluctant than ever to not sign. 
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Ray on July 05, 2015, 10:27:27 am
Sickel's is a fan of the maker of apple jacks.  He seems one of the more accurate guys out there to me.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/7/5/8894537/an-unsubstantiated-prediction-regarding-chicago-cubs-ryan-kellogg
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: Jes Beard on July 05, 2015, 10:52:36 am
Sickel's is a fan of the maker of apple jacks.  He seems one of the more accurate guys out there to me.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/7/5/8894537/an-unsubstantiated-prediction-regarding-chicago-cubs-ryan-kellogg

Someone needs to ask him why he has that faith in Kellogg.
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: chgojhawk on July 05, 2015, 02:51:08 pm
He answered that question at the end.....

<<Why do I think this? I just do.

I told you it was unsubstantiated!>>
Title: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 11, 2015, 08:36:48 pm

(http://metsmerizedonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2015-mlb-draft-400x242.jpg?6c20df)


Six days left until the signing deadline.  The 1st round picks that haven't signed are:

Overall pick #1 Dansby Swanson (SS - Vanderbilt) D-Backs, #16 pick James Kaprielian (RHP - UCLA) Yankees and #24 pick Walker Buehler (RHP - Vanderbilt) Dodgers.

Compensation round overall #35 pick Kyle Funkhouser (RHP -Louisville) Dodgers and Competitive Balance Round A overall pick #40 Nathan Kirby (LHP - Virginia) Brewers have not signed.  Three high schoolers drafted in the second round & a Competitive Balance Round B pick are also on the unsigned list.

see:  http://m.mlb.com/news/article/130246508/2015-draft-signing-and-bonus-tracker (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/130246508/2015-draft-signing-and-bonus-tracker)