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Where you can hear how bad the Cubs are playing each game...
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...even if they aren't playing
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Bryant is in the lineup:
Fowler-Denorfia-Bryant-Rizzo-Soler-Castro-Ross-Lester-Russell
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Great news!
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If Fowler's AB is any indication, this umpire has a huge strike zone tonight. Liriano might have thrown one actual strike in that AB.
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2-0 pitch to Bryant was also way out of the zone. MLB's umpires are terrible.
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It's gonna be a long night if Liriano gets those low balls called all night...
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Luckily, Lester got a laughably huge strike zone too.
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Either ESPN's strike zone is way off, or this is already looking like one of the worst home plate umps we've seen this year. Who is the umpire?
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The plate ump has now called pitches that were off the plate outside, low, and inside as strikes. He did say a strike to Soler was low. Nothing like being consistent.
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Either ESPN's strike zone is way off, or this is already looking like one of the worst home plate umps we've seen this year. Who is the umpire?
Paul Nauert
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Any word on how long of a delay? I hope Lester can still pitch. I would really hate to have to go to the pen this early at the start of such an important stretch.
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Weather Channel radar makes it look like the rain will be moving out in a few minutes. Hopefully Lester has thrown a simulated inning or two and is still loose enough to come out for another 3-4 innings.
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Why did they start the game? Because it's on ESPN?
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I think this is the worst year for weather that I can remember for the Cubs.
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Bad for baseball worse for a lot of farmerd
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At this point, I can't imagine Lester will be able to go back out there. Travis Wood? Let's hope we get Schwarber and Coghlan in the game if they bring in a righty to replace Liriano.
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Could Lester come out now and come back on short rest in two or three days? Have teams been doing that in recent years?
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Soriano and Blanton coming in.
Ridiculous that they started this game when it was raining up until game time and there was rain in the forecast for 2 hours after the start time.
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Bryant seems to be 0-2 every at bat.
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I had changed the channel for a minute...why did Fowler sacrifice after Russell got on to lead off the inning? Fowler has been their hottest hitter.
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That was a strike KB.
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Bryant K's again with runners 1st and 3rd and one out. Just so frustrating to watch him hit lately. He can't seem to hit anything.
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Rizzo comes through.
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Soriano is done. Please, cut him after this game.
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Fowler was bunting for a hit...
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How did Soler miss that? Good grief.
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Soler is terrible defensively. Even taking into account his great throwing arm, he's terrible.
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Soler really fits in with the sloppiest team in MLB.
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Nice job by Wood getting out of that.
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Really need LaStella or Baez up ASAP so Castro can take some time off. Can't keep his bat in a lineup that struggles so much. Release Soriano and go with a 5 man bench finally.
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Much rather have Richards than Soriano.
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I think I'd rather have Edwin Jackson than Soriano.
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I think I'd rather have Edwin Jackson than Soriano.
bite your tongue!
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Another rain delay. Really, this has to be the worst weather year in Cubs history.
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Sounds like this game isn't going to be resumed. Just awful weather this year.
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Hurts losing a Lester start. Really need to take these next two in Pittsburgh. We can be two games back of the bucs with a strong showing.
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Do both teams have a say a in when a game is made up? Obviously we wanted no part of a doubleheader in this series with our rotation depth issues and Richard being dfa'd again.
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Lester might start Thursday against the Giants.
I would imagine both teams have a say. The Cubs have 2 open dates in Sept before they go to Pitt, so that would be my guess.
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Do both teams have a say a in when a game is made up? Obviously we wanted no part of a doubleheader in this series with our rotation depth issues and Richard being dfa'd again.
No. It's strictly up to the home team to set the new time and date. The only restrictions are the date can't violate the CBA provisions (I forget the maximum # of days a team can play without an off-day) without a waiver from the players on both teams and the game can't be rescheduled to a date the visiting team already has a scheduled game in another city.
Looking at the Cubs' schedule, they and the Pirates have an off-day on Monday September 14th before they start a three day three game series in Pittsburgh. Sunday September 13th the Cubs finish a series in Philly so expect the rainout to be played on that Monday if the Cubs & Pirates players are willing to give up the off-day or the Tuesday September 15th night game will be made into a split or twilight-doubleheader.
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September 14 is the Pirates' only day off in September, so I doubt they'll play it that day.
With as few off days as the Pirates have, I'm surprised they didn't push to play it today.
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Both teams would likely need to have the 26th man start the game, so they would likely want time to line up their minor league rotations. A double header with the expanded rosters wouldn't be a big deal to either team in Sept.
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September 14 is the Pirates' only day off in September, so I doubt they'll play it that day.
With as few off days as the Pirates have, I'm surprised they didn't push to play it today.
Doesn't surprise me they won't play it today or tomorrow. May be better for both teams to play it in September when they're not limited to a 25-man roster (26 on doubleheader days).
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Loaded with one out for Soler. Really need to get at least a run here.
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Soler walks. 1-0 Cubs with Castro now up and 1 out. Is it too much to ask for him to finally get a hit?
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Soler walks. 1-0 Cubs with Castro now up and 1 out. Is it too much to ask for him to finally get a hit?
Evidently, yes.
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Castro grounds into a fielder's choice and Bryant is out at home. Please stop playing him. Or at least quit hitting him 6th. He is the worst hitter in baseball right now. We're in a pennant race. Play someone else or at lesst swap him with Russell and hit Castro 9th already.
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7 batters, 1 run.
Sad. Castro is such a puke.
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Russell thrown out by 10 feet at home.
What a stupid send that was.
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Even with 2 outs, sending Russell in was dumb.
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Can we bring Wendell Kim back?
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Just in case anyone is wondering, the Cubs are winning.
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vander-built, unless you know voodoo or something to bring him back I don't think it's possible.
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On Rizzo's double, Len just used an expression I haven't heard since Chip Caray was around: "McCutcheon is on his horse".
Len, no more please.
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Back-to-back 2 out RBI hits by Castro and Ross?!?
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Castro with an RBI double and Ross singles him in.
I expect a massive earthquake and a bunch of Locusts any minute.
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Cubs lead 3-0 in the top of the third. JD just said "The way Arrieta is going, that might be enough". He should know better than that.
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Castro and Ross got 2 out RBI hits and the board crashed. I'm shocked too. Good swing by Castro on 3-1 to go with the pitch to right on a line drive.
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Castro with some good plays on defense. Too bad this version of Castro hasn't shown up much this year.
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Rizzo is a beast. His numbers against lefties are unbelievable.
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Another RBI double for Castro. Shocked that he hit two straight balls on a line drive.
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Castro grounds into a fielder's choice and Bryant is out at home. Please stop playing him. Or at least quit hitting him 6th. He is the worst hitter in baseball right now.
Castro has 8 hits in his last 23 AB with only 4 K's in those 23 AB.
I was unaware hitting had picked up so much that everyone else in the game right now is doing better than that.
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5-0 Cubs on 11 hits in the 6th. So great to get contributions from Castro, Soler, and Ross.
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Make that 9 for his last 24.
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Arrieta is dealing. If we can sneak into one od the wildcards, he's the guy I want on the mound. Hopefully we get a couple more runs and they can get him out of the game with a relatively low pitch count. He has a huge start on Sunday. Lester is apparently going to pitch on Friday now with Hendricks moving back to Saturday.
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Despite the results, I don't think Arrieta was really on tonight. He didn't miss a ton of bats, and he was falling behind batters all night.
That's just how good he is now...even on a night where it didn't seem like everything was working, he was still capable of throwing a game like this.
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Today is apparently only the second game all season Castro has had two extra base hits on the same game. Kind of illustrates how bad his season has been. Let's hope it is not his last this year.
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I would definitely bet on Starlin in that wager
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The Cubs' Twitter account just retweeted this:
Christopher Kamka @ckamka
Jake Arrieta: 9 straight quality starts.
1.37 ERA in 65.2 IP, 37 Hits, 63/16 K/BB, 1 HR allowed (1 HR hit) over span.
Kershaw and Greinke get a lot of attention because they had/have the long scoreless streaks...but Arrieta has been just as good over the last couple of months.
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That's 6 in a row!
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Hopefully Haren gives us a chance at 7 tomorrow. It would be awesome to get out of Pittsburgh two games back of them.
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Arrieta hasn't allowed more than 4 ER in any start this year.
Chris Sale has allowed 7 ER in each of his last two starts.
Arrieta is the best starting pitcher in Chicago this year.
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Wasn't the season over a week ago? I'm confused.
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We hardly notice it anymore---at least when Cubs get a bunch of hits and score some runs---but Cubs quietly struck out 14 times tonight.
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Today is apparently only the second game all season Castro has had two extra base hits on the same game. Kind of illustrates how bad his season has been. Let's hope it is not his last this year.
And for anyone to talk about his entire season, any description of it has to include that it has been terrible. That, however, is different from complaining that RIGHT NOW he is the worst hitter in the game.
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Dear Dan Haren,
Please pitch well and prove my temper tantum on deadline day wrong. In fact pitch so well that I will want to buy a Dan Haren autograph. Same goes for James Russell.
Thanks,
CUBluejays
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This would be a kind of important swing game. Win this one, get within two of Pittsburgh, keep the momentum going, then be set up with 4-straight games with your good pitchers. Jeff Locke for Pittsburgh is not a great or shut-down pitcher. In the recent winning streak, the offense has been scoring 4-runs or more per game; can win a LOT of games with that kind of offense. Can they do that again against Locke? Never likely to score four runs in a single game, but it's certainly not impossible versus Jeff Locke.
Cubs are catching a break with Bumgarner going tonight, so it's a good head-to-head matchup against san Fran with us not needing to us Haren and not needing to face Bumgarner.
So would be nice if haren could win tonight and we could ensure holding at least a half-game lead over Giants entering that series.
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David Kaplan @thekapman 8m8 minutes ago
Starlin Castro's OBP is .182 at home past 60 days (49 games). (MLB Rank: 214th of 215 full-time players; League Avg: .330) @InsideEdgeScout
He's not the worst anymore!
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Wow, there's someone worse? Yikes!
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Wow, there's someone worse? Yikes!
Jon Lester?
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This would be a kind of important swing game. Win this one, get within two of Pittsburgh, keep the momentum going, then be set up with 4-straight games with your good pitchers. Jeff Locke for Pittsburgh is not a great or shut-down pitcher. In the recent winning streak, the offense has been scoring 4-runs or more per game; can win a LOT of games with that kind of offense. Can they do that again against Locke? Never likely to score four runs in a single game, but it's certainly not impossible versus Jeff Locke.
Cubs are catching a break with Bumgarner going tonight, so it's a good head-to-head matchup against san Fran with us not needing to us Haren and not needing to face Bumgarner.
So would be nice if haren could win tonight and we could ensure holding at least a half-game lead over Giants entering that series.
Cubs are facing Locke for 4th time this season: three in April and May. 3.2 IP, 6 hits, 5 runs, 3 walks. Before that- 3.2 IP, 8 hits, 5 earned runs, 3 walks, then, 5 IP, 7 hits , 4 runs, 3 walks. Being the Cubs, Locke still managed 16 Ks in these poor outings.
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If the Cubs scored 14 runs in 12 IP, why does it matter if they struck out 16 times?
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Today on the pre-game forum: is a strikeout just as bad as any other kind of out? Discuss.
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I wonder if Schwarber will start tonight. Even against a lefty, I would rather have him at the plate instead of Ross.
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If the Cubs scored 14 runs in 12 IP, why does it matter if they struck out 16 times?
bingo
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Today on the pre-game forum: is a strikeout just as bad as any other kind of out? Discuss.
I don't want to discuss that at all. The Cubs scored runs off of Locke, why does it matter if they K'd is what I'm curious about. If they K'd 37 times against and still scored 15 runs in 12.1 IP I don't think I'd care.
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If the Cubs scored 14 runs in 12 IP, why does it matter if they struck out 16 times?
Yeah, I'll take the runs.
It still matters, however, as Cubs are a K machine and don't always score much with the Ks.
Even yesterday, pounded out lots of hits but still had uneasy feeling as Cubs should have scored more than 5 runs. But, 14 Ks. Don't move up base runners enough with all the Ks and hard to get lucky with a batted ball when not putting the ball in play. We all know the Ks are not good in the aggregate.
Today on the pre-game forum: is a strikeout just as bad as any other kind of out? Discuss.
Let's say it again: converse of a strikeout is NOT "any other kind of out." Converse of a strikeout is a ball put in play in some form. In the long run, not going to have an efficient offense with 14 Ks a game.
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I'm more concerned about the lack of HR to go with K's to be honest.
It isn't fair to compare the Astros to the Cubs because of the DH, but I'm going to anyway.
Astros 23.7% K, 8.1% BB, 485 R, 152 HR
Cubs 24.1% K, 9% BB, 405 R, 95 HR
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The Cubs are leading the majors in strikeouts, and likely not coincidentally, are second from the bottom in base hits.
Getting base hits is important, and we're not very good at that.
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I'm more concerned about the lack of HR to go with K's to be honest.
Lack of HR?
Cubs are # 5 in NL in homers. Top 1/3 in league--and wind has been blowing in at Wrigley a lot so far.
Look at the overall numbers. Cubs are # 1 in walks and #5 in homers. Really good combo, right?
But, # 11 in runs scored.
A big reason, the primary reason, is that Cubs are #1 in Ks---by a ridiculously wide margin. NL average team has 821 Ks. Cubs have 967 Ks. The second higgest Ks is 897---70 fewer than Cubs! That' s second highest team.
All the Ks translate to way, way fewer balls in play. Hence, way lower batting average.
Where do Cubs rank in batting average? Rank # 14.
Pretty evident Ks are a problem. Hard to watch this club every day and not see that.
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Cubs are 14th in OBP and 27th in SLG, 22nd in ISO. I think it is the slugging/power portion that is the bigger concern.
While the Cubs may be 5th in HR's, they are only 3 away from being 11th and 36 away from the Dodgers who are number 1. The Cubs being a middle of the road HR team is not a good thing with that many K's. If the Cubs had about 20 more solo HR's they would be almost tied with Pirates in runs scored.
The top 5 least K% teams are the Royals, Red Sox, A's, Braves, Giants. The rank 10, 11, 12, 26, 7 in runs scored. Just being a low K% isn't great either. Now if you can be the Blue Jays and have a low K%, high BB%, high ISO that is ideal.
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Today on the pre-game forum: is a strikeout just as bad as any other kind of out? Discuss.
I hate you.
Not really but still.
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Cubs are 14th in OBP and 27th in SLG. I think it is the slugging portion that is the bigger concern.
We've had this discussion before, but isn't OBP supposed to be the main metric that correlates well with runs scored? We're 14th in OBP, but 23rd in runs scored . . . not as great of a correlation as it should be.
My 10 cents, the main problem is our OBP is too walk heavy. OBP's are better when they're hit heavy than walk heavy, and ours is too walk heavy. We're tied for 1st in walks but tied for 30th in base hits. Therefore, our runs scored aren't quite as good as what our OBP suggests they should be.
Actually that probably does go hand in hand with our SLG too, so I guess maybe we are on the same wavelength here a little bit. The more base hits you have, the more total bases you have.
Walks aren't equal to hits. Walks are important, but they aren't as equivalent to getting base hits as I think you've made them out to be in the past.
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Is there such a stat as Slugging Average on Balls In Play? The raw data is available.
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Cubs are 14th in OBP and 27th in SLG. I think it is the slugging portion that is the bigger concern.
First, terribly misleading to lump NL with AL offensive numbers---for obvious reasons.
So, stop with that.
Second, batting average is big part of slugging %. So, let's focus where problem is and not obfuscate.
Repeat # 14 in batting average. So, even though #1 in walks and # 5 in homers--a terrific combo--STANDING ALONE-the ridiculously high Ks (not putting ball in play) leads to low BA and is primary reason for #11 in runs scored.
Not saying one and only reason but, by far, the major reason.
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I'm more concerned about the lack of HR to go with K's to be honest.....
Agree, K's in context of HR's are the thing. The Cubs have an unfavorable K/HR ratio, 967K/95HR, which largely explains why the offense has been poor. No surprise that during the winning streak, they've hit HR's.
The pitching staff has been excellent, 908K/85HR.
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Second, batting average is big part of slugging %. So, let's focus where problem is and not obfuscate.
Repeat # 14 in batting average. So, even though #1 in walks and # 5 in homers--a terrific combo--STANDING ALONE-the ridiculously high Ks (not putting ball in play) leads to low BA and is primary reason for #11 in runs scored.
Cubs are 7th in the NL in OBP, 12th in SLG, 10th in ISO (SLG-AVG).
The Cubs are 5th in HR with 95. The Brewers are 10th with 93. The Cubs are closer to the last place Braves at 68 than the Dodgers at #1 with 131. HR/SLG are the problem.
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Seems pretty obvious that the slugging is going to be low when >27% of your AB are K's, combined with a K/HR ratio exceeding 10:1.
It is what it is. Russell, Soler, and Bryant are K-machines, we've built the team that way, and Bryant will almost certainly always be a K-machine. He doesn't hit the ball very often. Hopefully he'll walk enough and when he occasionally does hit the ball hard, it will occasionally more often go over the wall then 14HR-in-August. I think Russell and Soler both have a good chance to significantly reduce their K-rate into their future, Bryant less confident, since he's always been a mega-whiffer.
If we add Baez, he's another mega-whiffer; hopefully if he does come up, he'll hit enough HR's to make it worthwhile. A 10:1 K/HR is one thing; a 13:1 K/HR is another; a 6:1 K/HR is very different. Hopefully in future Baez and Bryant can both get their K/HR under 10, perhaps one or both under 8.
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Seems pretty obvious that the slugging is going to be low when >27% of your AB are K's, combined with a K/HR ratio exceeding 10:1.
The ISO is low as well. This takes singles out of the mix. The Astros have a .184 ISO with all of there K's, the Cubs have .134.
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The problem is not just being high in Ks. The problem is being off the charts in Ks.
Look at the micro for an instant.
Bryant is really struggling now to make contact. He is on a BR 162-game pace for 216 Ks.
Last season, Baez was on pace for BR 162-game pace of 296 Ks.
Soler is on pace for 202 Ks.
Much of their problems, current and past, is magnitude of their K-pace.
Can these guys be excellent hitters with high Ks? YES. YES.
But, there is a magnitude of scale that has to be overcome. You can't be striking out at that scale and expect to settle in at a good place. Near NL leaders in Ks, fine. But, those kind of numbers, no.
Same with Cubs in the aggregate. Near NL lead, fine. But, NL average team Ks is 821 and Cubs are 967. That difference is huge. Monstrous. Forget about league average. Be near top--but not way, way over the top.
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Is there such a stat as Slugging Average on Balls In Play? The raw data is available.
ISO= (2B+2*3B+ 3*HR)/AB or SLG-AVG Is very close to what you are looking for.
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I hate you.
Well, it was obvious to anyone paying attention what discussion was about to happen. I almost wrote "Today's Dead Horse for Beating" but I only wanted to poke fun at the discussion rather than discourage it.
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Same with Cubs in the aggregate. Near NL lead, fine. But, NL average team Ks is 821 and Cubs are 967. That difference is huge. Monstrous. Forget about league average. Be near top--but not way, way over the top.
Cubs 967 K, 164 2B, 15 3B, 95 HR, 405 R
Astros 952 K (2nd AL team 882), 185 2B, 12 3B, 152 HR, 485 R (third in the AL)
The Cubs are going to be a high K team unless they get rid of multiples of Schwarber, Bryant, Soler, Russell (he won't always be this bad), Baez etc... They just need to hit HR to cover for the K's. A team that K's and doesn't hit HR is the problem.
Edit: Cubs pitchers have K'd 104 times (43.5% K%). The Dodgers are next at 91, no other team is higher than 85. It means nothing, I just find it interesting.
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ISO= (2B+2*3B+ 3*HR)/AB or SLG-AVG Is very close to what you are looking for.
Thanks, but is there a site that tells you what the numbers are for players?
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www.fangraphs.com
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..... HR/SLG are the problem.
We've had this discussion before, but isn't OBP supposed to be the main metric that correlates well with runs scored? We're 14th in OBP, but 23rd in runs scored . . . not as great of a correlation as it should be.
No.
What is keeping Cubs from being at or near top of NL in OBP are the Ks and the low BA that results from the Ks.
Average Ks would raise Cubs BA about 13 points, assuming the usual .300 BA on balls in play. That would put Cubs tied for #1 in NL in OBP at .328 (now .315). So, "14th in MLB", including the AL, is grossly misleading. The problem is failing to put the ball in play because of grossly high Ks. That is keeping Cubs from being at or near top in OBP. Cubs #1 in walks. We are not taking advantage of that because of high K/low BA.
As to slugging/HR--same thing. Cubs would basically be NL average in slugging% and HRs with more balls put in play because it would substantially raise BA and, therefore, raise slugging %.
Average slugging %/HRs is not a problem. It's AVERAGE. Combine average there and top to near-the-top OBP---you are not going to be #11 in runs scored, as now. You will be near the top in runs scored.
Let us be clear where the current problem is. The problem is NOT average HRs. Nor is it slugging % divorced from BA. That is obfuscation.
Since when is average a problem, combined with other big pluses?
The offensive problem is what we see most every day when we watch the games.
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Yes, it would help if Cubs were near the top in homers too.
#1 in OBP (with the increased BA) and #1 in homers and #1 in slugging.
You can always hope to be the 1927 Yankees. They led the AL in Ks by a huge margin. They also led the AL in OBP and slugging and homers by huge margins.
There are different way to win and excel. If you can K prodigiously and still do other terrific stuff too, wonderful. But, generally, that kind of thing is an anomaly and you need a balance of sorts.
Bryant can be a great player and K at 170-180 times a season. At 210+ Ks, don't think so. Ditto Baez. Ditto Soler. It's a matter of degree.
Think Cubs have to think about having a balanced lineup, with some components balancing out other traits. If you can give me 1927 Yankees, I can live with excess all around.
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The Cubs are going to be a high K team unless they get rid of multiples of Schwarber, Bryant, Soler, Russell (he won't always be this bad), Baez etc... They just need to hit HR to cover for the K's. A team that K's and doesn't hit HR is the problem.
Scwharber? I'm not sure what constitutes a high rate of strike outs. Schwarber's career minor league strike out percentage is 20.7% of PA, essentially the same as Russell's minor league rate of 21%. I realize that neither has an especially low rate, but does that make either a high K guy?
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Average slugging %/HRs is not a problem. It's AVERAGE. Combine average there and top to near-the-top OBP---you are not going to be #11 in runs scored, as now. You will be near the top in runs scored.
Let us be clear where the current problem is. The problem is NOT average HRs. Nor is it slugging % divorced from BA. That is obfuscation.
Since when is average a problem, combined with other big pluses?
The offensive problem is what we see most every day when we watch the games.
My last post on it.
The Astros 4019 PA, 3614 AB, 889 H, 540 1B, 185 2B, 12 3B, 152 HR, 485 R, 339 BB, 952 K, .246/.312/.430
The Cubs 4017 PA, 3564 AB, 850 H, 576 1B, 164 2B, 15 3B, 95 HR, 405 R, 399 BB, 967 K, .238/.315/.373
If no way do the 39 extra hits (not even 1 extra hit every 100 PA) account for 80 runs. The 57 extra HR might though.
If your going to be a high K% team you need to hit a lot of HR. The Cubs are going to be a K% team unless they get rid of most of there young talent. You can be the Royals who have a similar ISO and a much higher average and low K% and score more runs than the Cubs. The have 1 player with above a 20% K% and more than 200 PA. The Cubs would have to get rid of Bryant, Montero, Schwarber, Soler, Russell to make that happen. The Cubs aren't doing that. So it would be great to decrease the strike outs, I'm not going to say it wouldn't. The Cubs current roster needs to hit HR.
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Schwarber current MLB pace is 155 Ks in 585 PAs. That's with him doing lots of other good things.
Is he going to be a high K guy?
Not like Baez or Bryant but, yeah, probably so.
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Scwharber? I'm not sure what constitutes a high rate of strike outs. Schwarber's career minor league strike out percentage is 20.7% of PA, essentially the same as Russell's minor league rate of 21%. I realize that neither has an especially low rate, but does that make either a high K guy?
If you want to be a high average team the K% has to be very low. Russell I think someday might have a chance being below 20%, but it isn't likely. Schwarber has a great bat, but also a lower contact% (actual swings and misses) so his K% in the minors is lower than what it will likely be in the majors.
This isn't a strike outs good/bad debate. It is what the Cubs have to do to score runs with their current roster. They have to hit HR. If some of the hitter's want to pull a Rizzo and quit striking out I would be horribly happy. Chances of that happening are low, sadly.
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.......If your going to be a high K% team you need to hit a lot of HR. The Cubs are going to be a K% team unless they get rid of most of there young talent. You can be the Royals who have a similar ISO and a much higher average and low K% and score more runs than the Cubs. The have 1 player with above a 20% K% and more than 200 PA. The Cubs would have to get rid of Bryant, Montero, Schwarber, Soler, Russell to make that happen. The Cubs aren't doing that. So it would be great to decrease the strike outs, I'm not going to say it wouldn't. The Cubs current roster needs to hit HR.
Yeah, Cubs are going to be a high K team going forward. That is the reality.
But, that does not mean that the rookie impact guys are going to K at the current pace. The current pace is the problem now. If they continue to K at their present pace, the group in the aggregate will be career disappointments as a group.
As I've said, expect Cubs to be near top of Ks as a team going forward but dwarfing league average and the 2nd highest K team is a problem. Don't think Astros formula is sustainable over time.
Think most if the rookies WILL cut down to high, but more reasonable levels. Maybe it's a chicken and egg issue, but my view is that, for these guys, homers will jump up when Ks come down a bit. With experience, they will get better at guessing and using their knowledge to take better advantage of hittable pitches earlier in the count. That will reduce 2-strike counts and reduce Ks and increase BA (and homers). Even 3-2 counts are bad hitting counts. Great for walks and OBP, but lousy for BA and slugging %. We're seeing too many 2-strike counts for them.
Ridiculously high Ks as a club is an extreme. It's a problem, as excess often is, generally.
A better balance is the way to go rather than depending on extremes at both ends. It doesn't mean getting rid of most of the rookies. But, yeah, it might mean opting for a different kind of profile than adding Baez to the current mix or exploring whether Soler is the right fit in context with the other guys. Part of the equation, yes.
For me, Bryant, Russell, Rizzo and Schwarber are foundational guys and the remainder are an open question. So,yes, I would include K expectancy as an important part of the mix in assessing the remainder of the lineup, along with the usual suspects in player assessment.
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Again, not a matter of being "a high average" team. That is a false choice, as is assuming current extremely high K pace as almost a given going forward. Should be talking balance.
Future lineups are fluid. Lots of decisions still to be made. Just look at last season. Theo/Hoyer saw Baez putting up amazingly high Ks, so brought in prodigiously low K La Stella for 2B. NOT saying La Stells type is way to go in building future lineup but think shows that Theo aware of balance, when possible.
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..What is keeping Cubs from being at or near top of NL in OBP are the Ks and the low BA that results from the Ks. Average Ks would raise Cubs BA about 13 points, assuming the usual .300 BA on balls in play. .... Cubs #1 in walks. We are not taking advantage of that because of high K/low BA....
Average slugging %/HRs is not a problem. It's AVERAGE. Combine average there and top to near-the-top OBP---you are not going to be #11 in runs scored, as now. You will be near the top in runs scored......Let us be clear where the current problem is. The problem is NOT average HRs. Nor is it slugging % divorced from BA. That is obfuscation.
Since when is average a problem, combined with other big pluses? ...
1. Walks and K's go together. We're #1 in walks because we take a zillion pitches, which contributes to being in 2-strike K-counts. Real guys can always cut down on K's, by swinging more aggressively earlier in counts. I think Russell has already made some adjustment in that direction, I expect Bryant will, and so too will Soler. But reducing K's in that way won't happen without walk-reduction.
2. If the Cubs are a dynasty future, I expect the HR output to be **way** above league average. The goal isn't to be average, it's to be outstanding. All of the draft and procurement and trading Samardz efforts have been dedicated to getting hitters with power. If the plan is going to work, we should expect well-above-average HR's. We'e not going to win it all because management has spent it's high draft picks on great pitchers or contact hitters; they've spent their six big tickets on Bryant, Soler, Schwarber, Russell, Almora, and Happ, all but Almora power hitters with K's. Plus Baez. Management has been rebuilding around the concept of accumulating power hitters.
So if the plan is going to work, we better get a lot of power out of our power hitters. 19 HR's between Bryant/Soler combined in August is NOT the plan fulfilled. Yet.
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So let's just spit ball this.
The Nationals have a 21.5% K rate, third worst in NL.
The Nationals have 4 greater 20% guys and 3 less than 15% guys with more than 150 PA. Bryant, Russell and Schwarber are all likely to be greater than 20%. The Cubs would need to get rid all but one of Soler or Baez. Keep 2 of Denofria, Fowler, Montero, Coghlan, Castro and replace them with sub 15% K Guys. That might not be a roster you'd like.
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Schwarber catching tonight and hitting 2nd. Denorfia 7th. Rest of the lineup stays the same with Haren in the 8 spot.
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Well, it was obvious to anyone paying attention what discussion was about to happen. I almost wrote "Today's Dead Horse for Beating" but I only wanted to poke fun at the discussion rather than discourage it.
I apologize for Dusty. His response to you was rude. It's wrong to hate. What he really meant is what I've said before: go to hell.
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Having failed as an educator, Curtone has changed fields, and is becoming a recruiter for Hell.
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The trick is to say it so sweetly that people look forward to the trip.
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So let's just spit ball this.
The Nationals have a 21.5% K rate, third worst in NL.
The Nationals have 4 greater 20% guys and 3 less than 15% guys with more than 150 PA. Bryant, Russell and Schwarber are all likely to be greater than 20%. The Cubs would need to get rid all but one of Soler or Baez. Keep 2 of Denofria, Fowler, Montero, Coghlan, Castro and replace them with sub 15% K Guys. That might not be a roster you'd like.
Just take a look how Cubs are striking out now. So, we are to assume the rookies continue to K at current pace for their careers?
Here is current pace.
1. CF with 102 Ks. Season pace of 155 Ks. Get an Almora/Inciarte type and you can reduce Ks by 90 right here.
2. Catcher with 112 Ks. Pace of 170 Ks. That will come down.
3 Bryant on 162-game pace of 216 Ks. You think he will continue that pace?
4. RF with 127 Ks. 195 K pace. If that continues and bad defense, yeah, consider a move with Soler. Why not adjust, if necessary?
5. 2B with 105 Ks. 160 K pace. Russell goes to SS, cuts down on his Ks, and bring in Zobrist/Kendrick type. Big reduction.
Every season will be a somewhat different group. Maybe low-k McKinney in LF. Maybe high-K Happ somewhere. Constant adjustment here and there. There is change in the world, even baseball.
Notion you have to break up core of group to get down to non-ridiculous Ks is without foundation.
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Leadoff homer, K. base hit, base hit, E-5.
What a difference a night makes.
These are the Cubs we fear.
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So... Not a great beginning to the Dan Haren era
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2-0.
31 pitch 1st inning. Once again the 5th spot could involve the bullpen early on tonight.
Haren looked awful.
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Haren is not a good pitcher. This front office has done a lot of good, but they really failed at the deadline.
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Haren sucks.
3-0. Another bomb.
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It might be a tad early to judge the Haren acquisition
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I'm glad we kept Richard because I think he is going to have to take some starts down the stretch. Haren has some good movement on some pitches but those 85 MPH fastballs are going to get hit.
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Yeah, I'm also glad Richard is still around.
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The strike zone to Bryant... Wow. Maddon needs to go off.
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At this point, Bryant is going to K regardless of the umpire or strike zone.
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It might be a tad early to judge the Haren acquisition
Haren is almost 35 years old and has been a below average major league pitcher for going on 4 years now. It's not like we're evaluating a 23 year old rookie here.
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What do we do with Bryant? Maybe they should hit him 7th for a while. His patience there would be good. Just until he gets his swing going again.
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Haren is CBJ's fault
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Haren is CBJ's fault
Hmmmmmm. Next your going to blame the K's on me.
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Hit some more home runs and we won't care.
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Another reason Haren just doesn't fit on this team--this is the sloppiest defense in baseball and he gives up a ton of contact. Two runs have scored already today because of sloppy defense on the left side of the infield.
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More clown car defense leads to another run for the Pirates. Haren should have been out of that inning.
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That was clown car stuff. Three infielders on that side and not one of them can at least stop that slow grounder? Growing pains and all but that was little league type of stuff by Bryant and Castro.
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Yeah, the benefit of just putting the ball in play.
Stuff happens.
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Schwarber! 4-3 Pirates.
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Something, something HRs.
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Rizzo! Tie game.
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Hit some more home runs and we won't care.
Ok
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New ball game
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More home runs seems like a good strategy.
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As the famous philosopher craig is fond of saying, home runs are a very effective way to score runs.
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Homers are good.
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Efficient
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And Fowler's walk made Schwarber's homer a 2R effort - instead of a solo
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That Kyle kid can hit. So can Rizzo when he's on his hot streaks. That was a bomb.
That **** at SS is useless. If he was a horse I would have had him put down 3 years ago.
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whoa
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pitch tracker looks like the ump was squeezing Hughes badly
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Schwarber now slugging .613.
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Travis Wood blows it in the 6th.
Very frustrating night from Haren sucking, the defense sucking, Wood sucking. Everyone else that the Cubs need to lose is winning.
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I've never really bought into the idea that bullpen pitchers need set roles. Good pitchers should be able to pitch any time.
That said, it seems like any time Strop comes in for the 7th or 8th inning with the lead, he dominates. If he's holding a tie in extra innings, he's fine. In any other role, he sucks.
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or.. sometimes good hitters get hits - or get lucky bounces?
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ARAM - feeling sorry for his old team
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Players tend to appreciate knowing how they will fit in and their usage is big part of that.
The Human Element.
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Game delayed for a minute as a kid gets hit with a foul ball behind the dugout. How long is MLB going to delay putting up the nets over the dugout? It's inevitable, just go on and do it.
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Think that a premier CFer probably catches the Cervelli triple.
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Other than that half inning where Schwarber and Rizzo both homered, this has been one of the worst played games of the season.
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The strike zone was a joke again tonight, but it's barely even noticeable anymore.
Cubs lose, what a disappointing, poorly played, sloppy game.
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Here's Fowler's 0-1 pitch...it was called a strike. Home plate umpiring is consistently arbitrary this year.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLsOv13W8AAkbkn.png)
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At least there is a GIF of Motte falling down after a pitch.
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The good news is that it looks like Fowler is having a girl.
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Is the umpiring worse, or is our ability to evaluate its quality better?
I've seen some data suggesting that umpiring is better than it has ever been before, due to the same technologies that help us understand just how terrible umpiring is sometimes.
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I've seen some data suggesting that umpiring is better than it has ever been before.
Isn't that scary?
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The worst umpiring I have ever seen was whenever Maddox or Glavine pitched. If they had had automatic strike zones in those days, it would have reduced their effectiveness dramatically.
It may well be that plate umpires are better than they were years ago, but that doesn't change the fact that the goal should be to get it right. If technology can do a more accurate rendering of balls and strikes than umpires can, then technology should be used to make the calls.
I have no idea if current technology can actually do a better job, although I suspect that it can.
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Our ability to evaluate it is better.
Part of the Big Reduction in Offense is due to umpires doing a better job of calling the low strike, which comes from umpires working hard with the technology to refine their strike calling. It's really, really hard to call balls and strikes. Why suffer the Human Element (i.e., getting it wrong) if an automated solution is available?
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Our ability to evaluate it is better.
Part of the Big Reduction in Offense is due to umpires doing a better job of calling the low strike, which comes from umpires working hard with the technology to refine their strike calling. It's really, really hard to call balls and strikes. Why suffer the Human Element (i.e., getting it wrong) if an automated solution is available?
Some umpires may have used the new technology to improve their pitch calling, but there are obviously some Luddites who have great faith in their job security and haven't made the effort.
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I like the automated line calls in tennis - but maybe we would have never seen as much of MacEnroe's temper if that technology was available in his championship days
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Another advantage of automated line calls.
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I thought Neyer's piece was a good read, and it links to other good reads. A bit dated, but I don't know that I saw it linked here:
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit-outside/story/strike-zone-umpires-automation-automatic-computer-hal-questec-091214
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Thanks, DelMarFan. Very interesting piece.
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As a guy who has railed against PED's, not only because they've cheated some guys of making it to the majors, but also because it totally perverted a lot of records, I wonder about how rule changes and technology might actually twist those stats even more. Dropping the height of the mound. Having base umpires on the corners judging check swings. Stuff like that. Now we have replay. I can think of dozens of game outcomes that would have changed. That kid's perfect game in Detroit a couple of years ago. The World Series between Kansas City and St. Louis. The fan caught "home run" for the Yankees. If one play is reversed in every game, it is extremely possible every outcome could be changed. An inning continues, a pitcher stays in, a good hitter comes up with runners on, a baserunner is in scoring position...Suddenly a 3-2 game is tied. Or an 8-5 game becomes 11-5 and out of reach. Replay is a do-over machine. A time machine we can travel back with, reverse things, and have a different outcome.
So, I wonder, automated strike zone. Maddux and Glavine don't make the Hall. Bonds hits even more PED homers. Guys walk, guys strike out in crucial situations, insuring that even more game outcomes are changed, more stats perverted. How do you compare a pitcher from 1912 with one in 1961 with one in 2016? It's not just an improvement of the game, it's a game changer that's so dramatic that baseball will have to have all kinds of asterisks to indicate what era a record was made...live ball era, PED era, tech era. I'm not saying it's bad, just a totally different game.
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Buster Posey gets the day off. Hector Sanchez catches.
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Maddux would have just learned to work the automated strike zone better than anyone else could. Glavine's maybe a different case since he relied on the outside pitch and his reputation more.
You can't account for everything in the record books. PEDs, lowering the mound. Right now drop in offense due to the low strike (due to the Questec umpire checking). More power arms in the bullpen and defensive shifting affect the offense, too, but the data on the low strike I've seen is pretty compelling. The game changes.
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Maddux would have adapted to what ever the strike zone was and where the hitter had trouble. I mean he made it through the steroid era with some pretty incredible numbers.
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Maddux would have adapted to what ever the strike zone was and where the hitter had trouble. I mean he made it through the steroid era with some pretty incredible numbers.
I agree that Maddox would still have been one of the best pitchers of his era even if they had automated the strike zone in his era. However, he would have given up many more hits and many more runs than he did. He would still have been one of the best, but everyone's numbers would have been inflated. Just as pitchers today have better looking numbers because of the low strike being called, hitters would have had much better numbers with automated strike zones.
Baseball officials are talking about ways to increase the impact of offense on ball games. The best way to do that is to stop forcing hitters to swing at balls that they have little chance of hitting, for fear of being improperly called out on strikes.
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Im all for an automated strike zone for no other reason than I wouldnt have to hear as much bitching and whining.
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I agree that Maddox would still have been one of the best pitchers of his era even if they had automated the strike zone in his era. However, he would have given up many more hits and many more runs than he did. He would still have been one of the best, but everyone's numbers would have been inflated. Just as pitchers today have better looking numbers because of the low strike being called, hitters would have had much better numbers with automated strike zones.
Baseball officials are talking about ways to increase the impact of offense on ball games. The best way to do that is to stop forcing hitters to swing at balls that they have little chance of hitting, for fear of being improperly called out on strikes.
That was my point. DMF and CBJ, Maddux was a surgeon, and an automated zone would have blunted his scalpel. You are also forgetting 50% of the equation: the hitter. Hitters swung at those pitches because they couldn't trust the ump to call them correctly. Can you imagine great hitters with a great eye and how they will tattoo the ball when they know they really don't have to swing at nothing but strikes?
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Maddux' forte was the pitch that appeared outside to righties and inside to lefties. For some reason they could never believe that it was going to break across the corner.
In other words, Greg Maddux would have gained little by today's strike zone.
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don't have to swing at nothing but strikes?
If your students could see that. . . but your point is well taken.
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No, but he would have lost a lot by automated strike zones.
Curt, I agree with your point. But I don't think we should continue with a poor system merely to compare stats with previous eras. Let's get rid of the problem once and for all and make metal adjustments, just as we have to do with stats during the steroid era.
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No, but he would have lost a lot by automated strike zones.
I disagree. Maddux' control was such that many of the balls he threw were setup pitches. He would not have lost a lot.
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No, but he would have lost a lot by automated strike zones.
Curt, I agree with your point. But I don't think we should continue with a poor system merely to compare stats with previous eras. Let's get rid of the problem once and for all and make metal adjustments, just as we have to do with stats during the steroid era.
Didn't mean to say that we shouldn't change. I just hope the change doesn't make things so mechanical that the human element really does go extinct.
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If your students could see that. . . but your point is well taken.
I ain't perfect, but I were a English teacher gooder than most.
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I disagree. Maddux' control was such that many of the balls he threw were setup pitches. He would not have lost a lot.
I suppose "a lot" is extremely relative. My guess would be that Maddox would still be one of the ERA leaders, but probably with numbers a run or more higher than they were. Setting up someone to swing at a pitch on the low outside corner of the plate is not as effective as setting up someone to swing at a pitch 8 inches off the low outside corner of the plate.
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19 HR's between Bryant/Soler combined in August is NOT the plan fulfilled. Yet.
I suspect Theo, Hoyer, Bryant, Soler and Maddon would all agree.
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Bumgarner pitched yesterday, and Leake is scratched for tomorrow. The Cubs have their top four starters going in the series. They really need to take 3 out of 4.
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Im all for an automated strike zone for no other reason than I wouldnt have to hear as much bitching and whining.
This is one of Dusty's best posts since he first started posting back when he was in high school (or perhaps junior high).
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This is one of Dusty's best posts since he first started posting back when he was in high school (or perhaps junior high).
Yep
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High school.
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I think Ive been here 15 years.
Since 2000.
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No punctuation. No capitalization. No grammar. Corey was insulted that I thought he was 10 years old.
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Soler! Two-out, 2-run bases-loaded single.
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Good job by Soler. But another terrible AB by Castro.
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Castro grounded out to the RIGHT side. That's practically a win.
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Schwarber! Drills a line drive through the wind for a 3-run homer. 5-0 in the 2nd.
Hammel got it started with a hit, rare thing for a Cub pitcher, Russell got a hit.
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Wrecking machine.
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Three run homer from Schwarber, Cubs lead 5-0.
I don't think there's any doubt that he has to stay in the lineup every day from now on.
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Four rookies: Schwarber walk and HR, 2 runs. Bryant, walked to fill the bases in front of Soler. Soler, two-run hit. Russell, hit and scores.
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Yeah, I don't care where but he has to play everyday. He is on some kind of groove right now. Will be interesting to see if they play him tomorrow when Ross is catching.
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Maddux would have just learned to work the automated strike zone better than anyone else could. Glavine's maybe a different case since he relied on the outside pitch and his reputation more.
You can't account for everything in the record books. PEDs, lowering the mound. Right now drop in offense due to the low strike (due to the Questec umpire checking). More power arms in the bullpen and defensive shifting affect the offense, too, but the data on the low strike I've seen is pretty compelling. The game changes.
That is the reason it is much more meaningful to focus on OPS+ and ERA+ instead of the raw numbers. The OPS+ and ERA+ allow you to see how a player compared to the rest of the league each season and over the course of his career.
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No punctuation. No capitalization. No grammar. Corey was insulted that I thought he was 10 years old.
So were many 10 year olds.
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Joc Pederson has a .542 OPS since the break. Maybe Schwarber can track him down for ROY.
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I wonder if Schwarber will catch Bryant in HRs. Already has 6. If he gets regular playing time and Bryant doesn't snap out of it, he might.
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Hammel grounds out on the 9th pitch of AB - grinder
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2-run homer for Belt. Giants back in it.
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Heston with 87 pitches after 4
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Wow, quick hook for Hammel tonight.
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That **** at SS is useless.
Castro is now 9 for his last 32.
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.281 - not horrible?
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Nori Aoki just doesn't strike out. Coming into tonight, he had a 5.2% K rate.
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On the other hand, Bryant does little but strike out.
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I wonder how capable Coghlan could be at second base if the Cubs committed to him there. Once Montero is back, it seems the best lineup (not taking defense into account) has Schwarber-Fowler-Soler in the outfield and Bryant-Russell-Coghlan-Rizzo-Montero around the infield. But once you add in defense, I doubt that arrangement is really feasible.
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Bryant's OPS since the break is .524 and he's K'd 30 times in 70 at-bats.
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The Cubs just held Rizzo at third when the left fielder was already in his throwing motion before Rizzo reached third base. Nice to not run into an easy out on that play for once.
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There's the patented Castro ground out to the left side w/ RISP.
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Crawford with a 2 run homer off Hunter, 5-4.
Of course, Hunter threw 4 strikes in 5 pitches to Crawford before the homer, but the umpire only called one for a strike.
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One of the brutal ball calls in the Crawford AB:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLxYOL3WoAAr88f.png)
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Pitch tracker on Crawford showed only one of those pitches was out of the zone - and of course he homers in the 3-2
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When did Brandon Crawford become a home run hitter?
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I wonder how many times this year we've pointed out terrible strike zones on this board. It has to be at least a third of games where it's been brought up.
Like replay a couple years ago, a change to an automated strike zone is inevitable. I wish they'd really start moving in that direction as soon as possible.
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just a matter of time...
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Castro got the ball in the air and to the right side there. If that ain't progress......
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I fear and am interested in what Chris Coghlan starting 2B is going to look like.
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YES!!!
What a win! Beautiful job by the back end of the bullpen.
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cubs win, cubs win. 1-2-3 for Rondon.
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Cubs pull it out. Nice game.
We can thank home plate umpire Manny Gonzalez's performance in that Crawford vs. Hunter AB for making it so stressful in the last couple of innings.
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Awesome win. Can't wait to see Maddon's lineup tomorrow. Will Coghlan be at 2B or RF. Soler has been having much better at bats so let's hope they keep him in there against Vogelsong.
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2B
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The Feldman for Arrieta + Strop trade is the gift that keeps on giving.
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I didn't see it mentioned, but Soler laying off the low outside breaking balls vs Strickland is a good thing.
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Schwarber's short, compact swing and patience at the plate is not only effective, it's a little unique.
"He's different," Maddon said. "I love the way he starts the bat. He really uses his hands well. It's not an aluminum bat armsy swing, it's a very much wooden bat handsy swing. It's not going to go away. He'll struggle at some point; of course he will. He thinks he can hit, he knows he can hit, and that's a big part of his success."
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/141680940/kyle-schwarber-hits-first-home-run-at-wrigley
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A "little" unique. Slightly pregnant. A bit dead. Somewhat absolutely.
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Coghlan only 1 for 9 in his career vs Vogelsong, so maybe you sit him, but LH hitters slug nearly 200 points higher vs Vogelsong than do RH hitters. Figure you want Coghlan in the lineup. Do you sit Castro (.278 in 17 ABs), Russell, or Soler? I'd sit Castro, but I'm going to guess Russell get the night off.
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Lineup is out:
CF Fowler - LF Schwarber - 2B Coghlan - 1B Rizzo - 3B Bryant - RF Soler - C Ross - P Lester - SS Russell
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Coghlan drilled another ball yesterday to the wall in RF...would have been out of the park with no wind, or blowing out...
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So Coghlan is our Zobrist.
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It'll be interesting to see how Coghlan works out on the infield. It could be a situation where he ends up playing a game or two there and they decide it's just not reasonable. Or, maybe he'll just end up being comfortable there and he'll settle in as the primary second baseman for the next 5 years.
This is probably a situation where having Maddon makes a difference. There are probably a lot of managers who wouldn't even consider trying a mediocre defensive outfielder at second base in a playoff race.
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IIRC he was drafted as a 2bman and played 2b for the marlins.
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I like Joe.
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Joe for President
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IIRC he was drafted as a 2bman and played 2b for the marlins.
Coghlan played a lot of infield in the minors from 2006-2009. But he hasn't done it much recently--he has played only 14 games anywhere on the infield in the minors since 2009 (9 at 3B, 5 at 1B). He has also played only 5 games at second base in the majors, and only one of those was a start.
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How often has Maddon helped us win games this year? His overall control of the team I'm sure has contributed to the kids having a positive and resilient attitude. Can't measure that, but what strategies has he employed that actually helped us win a game, especially in regards to the old adage that you're going to lose 50, you're going to win 50, and it's the other 62 which make the difference? I can't think of any, although I'm sure there are some. I believe there are a few examples of games his overthinking or ideas have cost us a win. His toying around with the closers cost us at least one or two or three games. (The Peralta home run still haunts me.) The affectation of hitting the pitcher 8th maybe hasn't hurt us, although as Craig and I have pointed out, it's happened too often that a big first or second inning is hampered by it. It's probably hurt more than helped. Continuing to play Castro. Those kind of things. I know...bringing that up will really endear me to many of you. Coughlan said today that Maddon has really altered the culture. I'm glad.
Here's the thing. The last couple of days, I have read a number of projections for the division champions and wild card possibilities, and almost all of them have the Cubs falling one game short. One game. Actually, that's great to be projected that close, but it also highlights the urgency of every game and doing what's necessary to win them.
I think Maddon is a great manager, but the overlove is nauseating. I really think that the Cubs would be exactly the same place if Renteria was here, given the players the front office has given. Given the bench the front office has given him. Given the players Maddon has requested and been denied has given him. Given the lack of movement (even though it might have been wise) that the front office gave him.
JMO. Go Cubs
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Did not see Coghlan as a factor in infield like this. Dave was right.
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On today's Expired Equine for flagellation: how important is the manager to the overall W-L record? Discuss.
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I bet Joe could kick CurtOne's azz
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On today's Expired Equine for flagellation: how important is the manager to the overall W-L record? Discuss.
Our record wouldnt be any different if Rick Renteria was still here.
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I don't see a reason not to love a manager who is "great".
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Please don't
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Coghlan played 3B primarily at Ole Miss. Don't recall him playing any OF there...he was always a bat-first guy, though...
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I really think that the Cubs would be exactly the same place if Renteria was here, given the players the front office has given. Given the bench the front office has given him. Given the players Maddon has requested and been denied has given him. Given the lack of movement (even though it might have been wise) that the front office gave him.
This discussion goes back many years and several managers. It has always been my contention that the manager is probably less important to a team's short term success than a decent middle reliever. I agree that we would probably be exactly where we are if Rentaria were still the manager. The in game decisions are almost identical from manager to manager, and the few decisions that actually differ probably hurt as much as help.
I think that the manager CAN be of considerable help in the long run (several years) by doing several things. Create a culture of winning (which must come from the entire organization, but can be strongly affected by the manager), the fostering of long term development of younger players, refraining from overuse of pitchers, especially the bull pen, and the motivating of the superstars of the team.
But none of these come into play in the first season.
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I like Joe.
So mostly my comment was about Joe doing what I wanted him to do (sit Castro) when I thought he wouldn't.
I think I disagree about his handling of closers, though; I think it's been pretty deft. Rondon was a not-especially-proven closer who hit a rough patch about the same time that Motte was really killing it, so he swapped them. Motte was great for a stretch as closer until he became less effective (during which time Rondon was killing it and building his confidence back up), so he switched them back. Rondon has been lights-out since.
I've tried to black out the Peralta thing, but that was off Strop when the other guys were unavailable because they'd been used multiple days in a row, right? The Cubs have an above average number of blown saves, but most of them are with the setup type guys: Rosscup, Russell, Wood, and Schlitter. If I have a complaint over his pitcher use, it's how he kept going to Schlitter.
I don't think I agree that Ricky would have this team in the same place, but we'll never know.
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Does anyone here (besides Dusty) seriously think Theo should have stuck with Renteria and saved the additional money that Maddon is receiving? Seriously?
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Yeah, it's an old discussion.
Think value of a good manager is MORE important first season. Going from 72-win team to a contender--breaking in rookies in a pennant race, winning culture, comments about players in daily media sessions. Maddon is also way better tactician than Renteria. In this case, helps having a manager with a personality rather than a nebbish-type like Renteria. Deflects pressure from players a bit. If you think manager doesn't make a difference, follow the Nats. Clubhouse basically has zoned out Matt Williams. That can't help.
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I think the interesting choices are going to come on non-Lester/Arrieta days. Is Schwarber going to catch or play LF? Are you going to put a bad defensive OF/INF when Haren and Hendrix are pitching? I wouldn't want to be making those choices.
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Carrie Muskat @CarrieMuskat 1h1 hour ago
Maddon told Castro today is not a day off. Castro took news well. #Cubs
Carrie Muskat @CarrieMuskat 1h1 hour ago
#Cubs Maddon: "Addison is the shortstop today. He could be the shortstop tomorrow "
Carrie Muskat @CarrieMuskat 1h1 hour ago
#Cubs Maddon says wants to do whatever he can to get Schwarber in lineup which is why Castro sits today
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Apples and oranges to compare value of a manager to value of any player.
Only apt comparison is to compare one manager to another manager. And, depends on the context. Don't think too many would argue Don Zimmer was generally a good manager but he was good fit for the 1989 club that won 92 games. A chemistry fit for a season. Bad manager have won pennants occasionally. Leo always said the players make the manager. Hard to argue with that. Maddon is a good fit for this club and seems likely to be a good fit for some time going forward. that's all that matters.
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One more from Muskat:
Carrie Muskat @CarrieMuskat 1m1 minute ago
#Cubs Theo says Castro sitting is not a "permanent benching" but recognition of where they are in standings and need for best lineup
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So, if Russell apparently is the SS going forward, for the most part--is acquiring Utley more or less of an option?
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Haven't followed Utley closely. He's been really crappy so far this year, and then he went on the DL. Is there reason to think he's going to be better (aside from the obvious caveat of 'we wouldn't do this unless the scouts give it the ok')?
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Had a really bad ankle all season. Read piece saying the time off has made a difference and moving much better during his rehab games. Activated today.
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Utley at .746 OPS last season. 2015 Fielding Bible says his once-very good range has declined but still very sure-handed. With La Stella purportedly coming up soon, and Baez in September, not sure about Utley fit.
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So, this Schwarber fellow can hit a little, huh?
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Not sure it's a good thing that a 22-yo rookie is the best hitter on the team.
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I wouldn't rate Schwarber as a better hitter than Rizzo.
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Fowler needs to take charge on a ball like that one.
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Paul Schrieber is calling balls and strikes today. The last time he did that in a Cubs game, he threw out David Ross (who was on the bench) for no apparent reason. His strike zone is off to a typical start, too.
Where was Fowler on that pop up? No way that should've been Soler's ball.
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Tie game on a Crawford single because of more sloppy defensive play.
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Yeah, Fowler has to know that's his play...maybe he hasn't seen a wind like this one today at Wrigley?
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Incredible play by Russell!
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What a tag by Russell! Castro doesn't make that play...
Hot shot to Coghlan to end the inning.
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I'll be very happy when next year starts with Russell as short, and Bryant in the outfield.
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Doubt Bryant moves off 3rd. I'd just like to see him hit better than Castro.
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Think he's been about average defensively.
Would like to see improvement to solid average.
What do other posters think about Bryant defensively at 3B so far?
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Don't think he's given the Cubs any reason to move him off 3B. I'd be surprised if he played OF next year, especially with Schwarber showing so much as a hitter.
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Bryant has been fine at 3B, IMO. Not a gold glove contender, but fine.
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Schwarber does a nice job going back on a well-hit ball. Lots of hard contact against Lester that inning...
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And Schwarber is looking fine in LF.
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Bryant rates out as slightly above average defensively on Fangraphs, FWIW.
His big problem early on was his throws were not quite accurate--it looked like he was pulling Rizzo right into the base runner with every throw. He has been more accurate lately, though.
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Agree, no reason to move him at this point...
Schwarber gets a line drive hit directly at him, and over his head...and makes it look easy...
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Schwarber might be better in the OF than Soler...
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One chance might be a bit of a small sample size.
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What a tag by Russell! Castro doesn't make that play...
Hot shot to Coghlan to end the inning.
It is hard to say whether or not Castro or anyone else would have made that play. probably not. And probably if faced with identical situation, Russell would not make it again.
Castro also has made some incredible plays. The problem with Castro is not the lack of incredible plays, but that he can not be trusted to make the routine plays.
It is time to make Russell the full time shortstop, and see if Castro can do better at second base.
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Bryant has kind of long setup on throws--the crowhop thing. Rarely matters as ball gets to 3B pretty quickly. Occasionally, matters. Thing is--he has good hands and athleticism. So, should be okay if continues to work hard. As I've mentioned, watched a very intensive fielding session with him before game when Nats in D.C. and was working hard that day.
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How's Lester look? I feel like every ball Pat describes includes, "hard-hit," or "rocket right at," or "that could be trouble." And just one K so far. Not his best stuff today?
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Shortstops do different things well and not as well. You have to break it down part by part.
Tag plays have never been a plus for Castro. Was horrific on all kind of tag plays as a rookie and improved immensely to slightly below average. Have never, ever seen Castro make a tag similar to the one Russell made today.
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I don't see a reason not to love a manager who is "great".
I do love him. I just don't worship him. Worshiping managers and general managers usually leads to hate later.
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Bryant, Ross, Lester...even minus Castro there are three near automatic outs in the lineup.
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Bryant has kind of long setup on throws--the crowhop thing. Rarely matters as ball gets to 3B pretty quickly. Occasionally, matters. Thing is--he has good hands and athleticism. So, should be okay if continues to work hard. As I've mentioned, watched a very intensive fielding session with him before game when Nats in D.C. and was working hard that day.
He seems to do well on bunts and softly-hit grounders his way, though...gets rid of it pretty quickly in those situations. Maybe he's just better when he doesn't have as much time to set and throw (and think about the throw)?
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Think Bryant's size just requires more of a setup. Throwing on the run is different. When Ryan Zimmerman was having all kind of throwing problems at 3B, he was still remarkably good at throwing on the run.
Pleasantly surprised that Bryant doing okay on balls he has to charge and reach for. Thought that might be a vulnerability, but don't think so now.
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Russell and Fowler with a single and double. This is likely the Cubs' chance here.
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Affeldt in to face the three lefties.
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Schwarber comes through, then steals 2nd after a pickoff attempt.
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Remember on draft day when Schwarber felt like an overdraft?
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I do love him. I just don't worship him. Worshiping managers and general managers usually leads to hate later.
Swoon. Is it ok to worship the Schwarb, Curt?
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Looks like Schwarber's the best hitter on the team to me.
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Swoon. Is it ok to worship the Schwarb, Curt?
I already do.
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See...Soler just needed the weather to warm up...
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Remember on draft day when Schwarber felt like an overdraft?
Schwarber was moving up at the end. BA had him going #8 in final mock. Law said in his final mock that Cubs considering Schwarber. Both projected Cubs taking Conforto. But, yeah, it was a surprise. Think Cubs kept that pick close to the vest. Nice job there, huh?
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Soler! Killed it. Clutch hitting galore here, clutch 2-strike hitting.
Then Ross with another clutch 2-out RBI hit.
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Clutch hitting is such a nice thing.
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Lester at 72 pitches thru 6...he could go 9 today...
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A relaxing lead and Lester pitching well.
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Schwarber now at 354-436-646.
94 PAs. Yeah, it's early. But, some guys just don't need all that much minor league seasoning.
Get them up here!
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Lester at 72 pitches thru 6...he could go 9 today...
And especially helpful after last night's game and the early bullpen usage.
In fact, of the four starters in the first two games, three of them pulled after just 4 innings. Shows how badly the managers want these wins.
So, really nice that we have the lone exception to the 4IP plan, and that it pretty much blew up on Bochy today.
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Pretty early defensive switch. Herrera in for Coghlan in 6th inning.
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Not very trusting of Coghlan's defense I don't think.
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Pen was used a ton last two days. Hopefully, Lester's allowed to pitch as long as possible.
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Man, Pence is a twitchy goof at the plate.
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Or, maybe the Giants will come back and win.
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Damn, Russell makes another play Castro and many others wouldn't.
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Nevermind, we're gonna get screwed.
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That's close. Kind of looks like he comes off but I don't think it can be overturned based on what they've shown so far.
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Wow, we'll take it.
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Wow, again a marvelous play by Russell that Castro probably doesn't make. I don't need to see Starlin at SS again.
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If Castro is claimed on waivers do you let him go? Would you trade him straight up for Utley?
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Looks like Schwarber's the best hitter on the team to me.
Does anyone know what Lake's record was after his first 79 at bats?
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From what I've seen, Bryant has a lot of trouble going to his right. While I agree his defense hasn't hurt us much, I think it'd be wise to get out in front of things, especially if Russell, Baez and Castro are all here next year. It also plays into my vision of peddling Soler off in a Sonny Gray deal :)
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If Castro is claimed on waivers do you let him go? Would you trade him straight up for Utley? I'd do both.
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Does anyone know what Lake's record was after his first 79 at bats?
Yeah, it's worth recalling that Lake did very well when he came up.
But kind of obvious that Schwarber is a different thing altogether than Lake. But, not counting on a 1.080 OPS.
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Hunter's an upgrade?
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Hunter isn't good against lefties. He is a ROOGY.
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Lake had an .854 OPS through his first 79 at-bats on the back of a .325 average. He had no track record anywhere to suggest that was sustainable.
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No, don't think Castro is a guy to let go on a waiver claim. Premature for that. The guy is 25.
Utley figures to get thru waivers. Owed pro-rated $15, plus $2 buyout. If traded, Phils will send money and get a decent prospect back.
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No, don't think Castro is a guy to let go on a waiver claim. Premature for that. The guy is 25.
Utley figures to get thru waivers. Owed pro-rated $15, plus $2 buyout. If traded, Phils will send money and get a decent prospect back.
What would you hope to get back for him in the off season? Would you be okay paying a backup middle infielder $8 million? Would you give him the 2B job?
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I think the key is to wait and see what contender loses their shortstop. Houston? Angels? Dodgers? Yankees? Baltimore? St. Louis? Kansas City? Castro's value would go up. Might command a couple of decent prospects.
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Why would the Cardinals lose Peralta? He's signed through '17.
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Why would the Cardinals lose Peralta? He's signed through '17.
Lose to injury in the next few weeks.
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I can't see them scrambling for Starlin Castro even if Peralta goes down.
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Why does Rondon do stop, drop, and roll every time a ball goes past the mound?
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I can't see them scrambling for Starlin Castro even if Peralta goes down.
Chris, the discussion was what could they get for Castro if he went on waivers and was claimed. All I did was list the top teams that might feel the pressure to do a deal if they lost their shortstop during the pennant drive. It wasn't worth debating. The point was that need would make Castro more valuable.
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Maddon has actually used Rondon two innings in a row. I bow in worship to him.
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Nice win. Now don't let up tomorrow, and take a 3-0 series lead into Arrieta's start on Sunday.
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If Castro ends up getting traded the only thing he will bring back is a bad contract. If he's not going to play SS for the Cubs and rebuild his value, there is little reason to keep him on the team. It will stink, because I think out of Chicago he can easily rebound.
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7 runs, 12 hits, and all that with Rizzo going 0 for 4 in the 3-hole. Nice, (relatively) low-stress win in a big ballgame.
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What would you hope to get back for him in the off season? Would you be okay paying a backup middle infielder $8 million? Would you give him the 2B job?
Not dismissing point of view that losing contract on waiver claim something to consider, but think Castro still has trade value, contract and all.
Would push to trade him off-season. Think can get useful piece for him, not just a reserve type. He's an upside guy for clubs having bad 2015 production at either MIF spot, or even 3B, and recall the guy who was an all-star caliber guy more than once. At age 26 (all season) in 2016, think some clubs will be interested as a buy low notion. Can get an interesting guy back, I think. Don't see 4/$39, or whatever, as a doomsday contract just yet, given his age and history.
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Getting clutch hits and scoring 4 or more runs each game, you can win a lot that way. Fun games. Thye've been scoring every game, really awesome and fun when you score runs and have good relief.
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I'd hope he has trade value, I just don't see it. With the Cubs budget still being limited getting rid of his money has a lot of value to me. Sucks, because I still think there is a good player in there somewhere.
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Russell starting at SS tomorrow.
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I will inderstand if Rondon isn't available for a couple days.
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MLB Network just showed a Statcast route efficiency of 92.6 for that catch Schwarber made running back towards the well in LF today. For some context, here are the MLB leaders this year in average route efficiency, minimum 100 plays:
1. Mike Trout (93.5)
2. Angel Pagan (93.3)
3. Charlie Blackmon (92.4)
4. Adam Jones (92.3)
5. Austin Jackson (92.1)
Granted, these are averages, so it's a little misleading to compare one play to these scores. Still, it's pretty encouraging for him to be able to take such a good route with as little experience as he has out there.
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I will say that at the ballpark, I was impressed by Schwarber's catch. It wasn't a webcam or anything, but it appeared he got a good jump and ran a good route and did so comfortably and confidently. He also did a competent job chasing a high fly ball that that went foul and out of play at the wall - moved surprisingly well. It struck me that he did not look like a catcher playing out of position. I have no idea what he'd be like there on even a semi-regular basis, but he certainly looked fine today.
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Guessing that catch may be a high point this season for him on any similar play but we have seen many similar batted balls to Coghlan where the latter is awkward (even if makes the play) and Schwarber was smooth.
So, there's that---for a beginning.
The guy obviously has a very high baseball aptitude. There will be a skid at some point, so let's appreciate what's happening now.
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Why would the Cardinals lose Peralta? He's signed through '17.
PED suspension, most likely...
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Schwarber might be the player we thought Bryant was going to be, at this point anyway.
I think the hype Bryant was getting may be the major problem. Next season I'm hoping he'll be the player he was in AAA.
Has Castro been benched? Sounds like Russell had pretty good game. The only thing Castro has going for him at this point is he is only 25 and we all know he is a better hitter then what he has been this season. HIs fielding is garbage and always will be. He has never improved.
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Does anyone know what Lake's record was after his first 79 at bats?
.333 .351 .533 .884
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Bryant almost finally came through but Crawford robs him with the bases loaded and the Cubs get just one in what could've been a big inning.
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Belt homers and the Cubs are now losing.
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Cubs get two more baserunners and Schwarber hits a rocket right at Belt.
Frustrating game to this point.
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Ball 4 before the hr was brutal
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2-run shot Bryant. Two hard hit balls from him today.
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Followed by a nice AB by Soler for a walk.
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Hendricks somehow bunts into a 2-6-4 DP.
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First game I haven't been able to watch in quite a while!
The occasional detailed play by play is appreciated...
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Crawford doubles off the wall to tie the game.
Pence, Crawford, and Belt. Three players I feared Hendricks would struggle against are killing him.
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Russell hits another rocket off the wall for a double but he trotted for a while before starting to run.
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Fowler walks on a full count. Two on again for Schwarber.
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Schwarber flies out to left.
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Coghlan pops out.
And Rizzo's ridiculous walk-up music is Taylor Swift.
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We could really use a big 2 out hit from Rizzo here.
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Well that was Cub-like.
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Whiff and the Giants are out of the inning. Could have used a few runs.
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Montero singles in Bryant after Bryant and Soler walk. This lineup looks so much better on paper and they're starting to produce.
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Hendricks can not lay down a bunt again so he swings away and hits into another DP. Run scores but that's poor execution again.
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Didn't Joe say he hated bunting?
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Sick of looking at Pence.
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Good job by Wood to get out of a jam.
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Schwarber tries to steal again and Posey throws him out from his knees. Although the Cubs are going to challenge. Don't think they're going to win it.
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Rick Sutcliffe on the fake-to third-throw-to-first play: "I know Harry Caray didn't like it."
Harry would say "That play went out with high-buttoned shoes."
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Schwarber had the base stolen, got tagged out when he didn't stay on the base.
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Russell having himself a game!
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Great relief outing by Wood, get out of 2-on-1-out in the 6th, then pitches a good 7th.
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Strop comes in kinda wild in the 8th and gets behind first guy, but then looks dominant.
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Bottom of the 8th, Russell with a clutch RBI hustling double. (He was hustling from the start on this one.)
Fowler follows with an RBI triple. 7-3.
Big runs to give some cushion against the power-hitting Giants.
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Denorfia, by the way, came in as a defensive replacement for Soler after the 7th inning, I think.
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Schwarber drills a hit off side-arm LH reliever. 8-3. Schwarber is good again LHP.
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Seriously, Kyle Schwarber. Wow.
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Not sure when Coghlan got taken out, but at some point Herrera went in at second to replace Coghlan.
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What's gotten into our Cubbies?
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Russell is by far the weak link in the pen. Giants hammering him.
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Two runs in now.
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Three runs in....
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The Giants are the Cardinals of the west. You can't kill them.
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Cubs hold on 8-6 as Rizzo digs out a bad Russell throw to end it.
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If Grimm comes in to start the 9th, the Giants probably don't score. Russell and Motte are both very hittable.
Nice to see another win, though. I hope the keep it up tomorrow--with the pitching matchup so far in the Cubs favor, this is the type of game we often see them come into looking flat.
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There's an energy to having a totally packed house for a winning team.
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easy to forget that stretch where they couldn't score 3 runs a game
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By stretch you mean most of the year.
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Rick Sutcliffe on the fake-to third-throw-to-first play: "I know Harry Caray didn't like it."
Harry would say "That play went out with high-buttoned shoes."
Look pretty good to me....
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1f/f6/00/1ff600c2dcee2b9e854934e0c7f45661.jpg)
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ahh... the good old days...
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The Sunday afternoon game is on CSN and TBS
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Thank you
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Peavy throws 5 balls to Coghlan. Coghlan swings at none of them, and he is called out on strikes.
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So Coghlan struck out on 5 balls without swinging at one of them.
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Arrieta triple followed by a Russell sac fly puts the Cubs up 2-0 in the second inning.
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Fowler could've walked half a dozen times his first two AB's, but refused to take ball four.
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Arrieta has the toughest part of the cycle out of the way
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Let's see how Arrieta does this inning. Sometimes when he has run the bases he struggles the next time out and he had to run hard there twice. At least Fowler had a long at bat again.
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Arrieta with less than 1/2 the number of pitches Peavy has thrown after three innings.
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And the 2nd base problem rears its head. Coghlan bobbles the ball and fails to turn the DP.
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That's nuts. Coghlan started his first MLB game at 2B and hasn't played there since until this week.
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Steve Stone used to say that after the pitcher hits a triple, he is likely to suffer the second inning after, rather than the first one. So far, that has been true with Arrieta.
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Now Pence steals 2nd as Russell is late covering. Didn't run on a double yesterday and now doesn't cover 2nd. Maybe it's the position.
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Steve Stone used to say that after the pitcher hits a triple, he is likely to suffer the second inning after, rather than the first one. So far, that has been true with Arrieta.
One batter reached. Nobody hit a ball particularly hard.
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Now Montero refuses to take a walk which would load the bases for Arrieta with nobody out, and then hits into a DP.
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They overturn the out at 1st as Montero was barely on the bag first.
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Now Pence steals 2nd as Russell is late covering. Didn't run on a double yesterday and now doesn't cover 2nd. Maybe it's the position.
Leave out the part about Belt batting and there being a shift on with Bryant in short right. Understandable that there might be some confusion as to who would cover on a SB attempt.
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Arrieta K's trying to bunt. That's three failed bunt attempts by pitchers the last two days.
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Leave out the part about Belt batting and there being a shift on with Bryant in short right. Understandable that there might be some confusion as to who would cover on a SB attempt.
Well, since everyone shifts these days I presume teams have plans as to who covers on steal attempts in those situations.
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Not really. Coghlan is not sure about himself completely there. Can't blame him.
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Ok, give Russell some leeway on the play then. But the Cubs need to figure this out because that's the second time Coghlan's defense has been an issue today in some form or another.
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If the Cubs do get to the playoffs, I need to remember not to look to Chris' in game commentary for an account of how the Cubs are doing. You'd think the Cubs are getting their butts kicked today.
Most fans, I think, would find a lot of enjoyment from the fact that the Cubs are ahead 2-0 in a game that would result in a sweep of the reigning World Champs, and the fact that the Cubs have the 4th (nearly 3rd) best record in the NL, in spite of relying on 3 rookies (and two other guys 25 or under) in their starting lineup.
To each their own in how they roots for their favorite team, I guess.
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If the Cubs do get to the playoffs, I need to remember not to look to Chris' in game commentary for an account of how the Cubs are doing. You'd think the Cubs are getting their butts kicked today.
Most fans, I think, would find a lot of enjoyment from the fact that the Cubs are ahead 2-0 in a game that would result in a sweep of the reigning World Champs, and the fact that the Cubs have the 4th (nearly 3rd) best record in the NL, in spite of relying on 3 rookies (and two other guys 25 or under) in their starting lineup.
To each their own in how they roots for their favorite team, I guess.
Four rookies.
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Four rookies.
I guess Soler still qualifies, right? Thanks for the correction.
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The MLB.TV broadcast is about 5 seconds ahead of the TBS broadcast. That's weird, usually MLB.TV is a pitch or two behind.
Another excellent start by Arrieta. He's got to be closing in on being a major Cy Young candidate.
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You could put me on ignore if my posts are so hard for you to stomach, Ron. Or get someone else to post since I'm about the only one.
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Crawford plays amazing defense.
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If we close out the ninth is it a 3 or 4 game sweep?
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I have a bad feeling about this inning.
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I have a really bad feeling about this inning.
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Bases loaded, no outs.
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I have a really really bad feeling about this inning.
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Rondon doesn't have his best stuff today
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Take one of the "really"s away; we got a strikeout.
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I have a really really really bad feeling about this inning.
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Take away another; our old pal Angel Pagán just whiffed for the second out.
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I feel good about this inning.
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Had 'em all the way!
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Never a doubt in MY mind.
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Rondon channeled his inner Mitch Williams that inning.
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Last pitch should've been ball four according to TBS' K-Zone although it looked decent live.
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We win? Game cast is froze and my phone died.
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Damn our Cubbies are on fire!!!!!
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If we close out the ninth is it a 3 or 4 game sweep?
4 games.
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Cal Ripken. Great player. Tremendous career. Stand up guy.
But I'd rather chew carpet tacks than listen to him analyze a baseball game.
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For those who don't comprehend the term, "playing to the level of your competition," these last couple of weeks are good examples. I would be more scared of Miami right now than anyone else.
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Or the Brewers and White Sox like this week.
Jake by far is the best pitcher in Chicago.
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Felt like a playoff game!
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Or the Brewers and White Sox like this week.
Jake by far is the best pitcher in Chicago.
By far? http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/salech01.shtml
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And the Brewers beat the Freight Train
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Jake Peavy is ticked that Schwarber took his time getting into the batter's box.
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I need to remember not to look to Chris' in game commentary for an account of how the Cubs are doing. You'd think the Cubs are getting their butts kicked today.
Casual observation over the years gives the impression that the better the Cubs do, the gloomier Chris's posts. My guess is that it's a psychological defense mechanism born from living among Cardinals fans for so long.
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I saw the Schwarb quickly turn and look toward the mound with that WTF look...
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Fowler stepped out of the box frequently - they said Peavy likes to work quickly
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Frankly...and I'm happy with the win...I thought we should have scored more with the meatballs Peavy was serving. Soler tagged him hard and so did Schwarber except they kept going foul.
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Definitely should have scored more off Peavy. Like JD said, it felt like they had a much bigger lead than they actually did.
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Yep - but the weather affected the flight on some balls - was that Pence that hit a long drive to CF with the rain coming down?
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Somebody called a bomb threat into Wrigley and the press and workers were evacuated. The bomb threat was cleared.
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For those who don't comprehend the term, "playing to the level of your competition," these last couple of weeks are good examples. I would be more scared of Miami right now than anyone else.
We did just 4-game-sweep the Brewers, right?
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Just heard of the bomb threat
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Did they pass off the "bomb threat" as just another case of the Schwarb stepping into the batter's box?
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We did just 4-game-sweep the Brewers, right?
and it was a struggle. Not sure the athletic mindset is clearly understood.
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If this team had a one playoff game, and as long as our starting pitcher didn't go Ted Lilly on us.=, or the offense decides they want to hit, or the bullpen doesn't fail....
....better put me at 1%
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Like they say at the amusement park after you're buckled in... ENJOY the ride!
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In case anyone missed Arrieta's comments about his triple:
"Yeah, I dunno," Arrieta said, shrugging. "Just put a good swing on it, I guess. Giving some of my teammates a hard time, telling them I got more pop than they do and that I can hit it into the wind.
"[Bryant's] got all this pop and Rizzo and they're hitting fly balls to shallow right and I go, 'It's not that hard.'
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/arrieta-struts-his-ace-stuff-cubs-go-giants-jugular
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If that ivy wall was padded - he makes that catch - LOVE WRIGLEY!
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For some reason the mound just turned wet and yellow.
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Soler nearly took Jungmann's head off
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That has to be on his mind the next time he faces Soler.
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It's so nice to have another team make Cub-like gaffes.
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Russell rockets a FB foul then drills a 1-2 curve for a single. Looking better and better.
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Fowler sac fly on 2-0. Wanted a take there but....
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Fowler thinks he's a power hitter, unfortunately.
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Don't want a big leaguer, generally, to automatically take 2-0, unless behind by multiple runs and looking for a walk. 2-0 is a bread and butter count for theae guys.
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Eh, Jungman's command was way off and Schwarber was on deck. Think it was worth it to make him throw a strike.
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Hitting w/ RISP. Does. Not. Compute.
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Rizzo was kind of grimacing there touching his shoulder. Hope he is ok. This lineup right now is a thing of beauty. Three straight 3-2 counts. Pitcher has nowhere to go right now. Put it in the strikezone and the ball is hit hard. For the most part the Cubs aren't swinging at pitches out of the zone though now Soler expanded his zone a bit. It is fun to see.
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Soler gets the bat taken out of his hand by the ump.
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Wow, that strike 3 to Soler was one of the worst of the year by any umpire. Brutal.
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Yet another big spot with the pitcher up. Might be time to move them back to 9.
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Yet another big spot with the pitcher up. Might be time to move them back to 9.
Its been that time since opening day.
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"Strike" 3 to Soler:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMK5v1mWwAANhq7.png)
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Damn, even a terrific at-bat from Haren.
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Are we rooting for the Cardinals or Pirates in that series?
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Hitters putting ball in play on 2-0 count in MLB this season are hitting .354 and slugging .617.
It's a hitters count and few situations where want a decent hitter to spit on a good pitch to hit on 2-0.
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I'm rooting for the Pirates. If they sweep, they're 2 back--right in the division race. And even with the Cardinals black magic, I'd prefer to avoid Cole in a one game playoff.
And if the Pirates took the division, the Cubs would have a shot at the Cardinals in the one game playoff with (hopefully) Arrieta on the mound. Taking the Cardinals out in St. Louis when they've just seemed to be a team destined for the World Series this year would be so satisfying.
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Lucroy has crushed two balls at Bryant tonight.
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About 500 baserunners for the Cubs tonight. Time to put up a crooked number.
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Where I like to see a take is 3-0 count and no outs. ;D
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And the bases loaded.
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Does anyone swings through more pitches in the zone than Bryant?
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Especially good heat.
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Soler runs toward dugout after getting hit.
Rizzo told him to take his base.
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Still a complete struggle. Cubs aren't so much scoring as the Brewers are handing them runs.
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Does anyone swings through more pitches in the zone than Bryant?
Joc Pederson, Chris Carter and Chris Davis.
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Chris, the glass is 5% empty.
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Haren thrown out by 70 feet on grounder to end inning.
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Just like to see the offense actually do something for a change. It's been almost entirely terrible command, hit batters, errors, and screw-ups by the Brewers.
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Brewers pitch count at 124 thru four innings.
Free Giordano 20-inch pizza for all in attendance if pitch count reaches 300.
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Haren is a definite upgrade.
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Lohse pitching in relief.
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Castro in at 2nd.
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First time Castro has played anything other than shortstop in his MLB career. He hasn't even DH'ed.
Leadoff walk by Haren. Wood already warming in the pen.
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Two run homer. Haren is not good.
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I blame Castro
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Haren's numbers are similar to Hammel's. The problem is a good offense would've put up 12 by now.
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Hanger on an 0-2 pitch.
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Haren's numbers are similar to Hammel's. The problem is a good offense would've put up 12 by now.
Haren's ERA is similar to Hammel. His peripherals are nowhere close.
Lucroy Ks, and here comes Maddon to pull Haren. Good move.
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Crist, Haren's had trouble with one guy all night and he gets pulled already.
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Haren's ERA is similar to Hammel. His peripherals are nowhere close.
WHIP's are nearly identical. Other than K's, where are all these differences?
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There have been quite a few hard hit balls tonight by the Brewers. I was ok with Haren being added because at the time I didn't really think we would beat the Giants. If we had been 3.5 games up for the 2nd wildcard at the deadline I am positive we would have gotten a better starter. Sunday's game will be a scary matchup with Haren facing Sale.
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Bryant hits into a DP instead of K'ing this time.
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Holy crap, what game is Chris watching?
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This home plate ump needs to find another line of work. Wow is he bad!
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Dan Haren
LOB 82.5%, FIP 4.73, xFIP 4.64, 31.2% GB%
Cubs ERA 5.22, 7 R, 10.1 IP
Jason Hammel
LOB% 73%, FIP 3.36, xFIP 3.41
Jason Hammel is a good pitcher. Dan Haren is decent the first 2 times through the order and then the wheels fall off.
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A good offense? The team approach has been incredible, INCREDIBLE, tonight. And not just tonight. They have been bleeding out oppo SP's for the past two weeks. They are on an amazing run and completely winning the battle for the strike zone.
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Holy crap, what game is Chris watching?
Note one thing I've said that is inaccurate. Some good AB's to take advantage of horrible command issues for the Brewers, but not coming through at all with hits to bust the game open. This game should not be anywhere near this close.
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Thanks for putting Haren's Cubs ERA in 10 innings up. That really proves the differences.
LOB%? Really?
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LOB% is random--it's not a skill. Hammel's LOB% is basically league average, Haren's is 5th best among qualified MLB starters. It's a clear indicator that Haren has been very lucky.
Haren played the first half of the season in an anti-homer ballpark with one of the best infield defenses in MLB. That's why his traditional stats are in the ballpark with Hammel.
Also, when you ask for stats "other than strikeouts," you're glossing over a really significant difference. Hammel's 8.9 per 9IP is very good. Haren's 6.1 per 9IP is near the bottom of the league among qualified starters.
Back to the game...Grimm is really good, I'm glad that he seems to have moved ahead of Motte on the depth chart. Grimm-Strop-Rondon is one of the better late inning trios in the league.
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It isn't sustainable and that is why his ERA is so low this year. His ERA with the Cubs is closer to the way he's been pitching all year than his now 3.55 ERA for the year.
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Diamondbacks just put 11 runs in the 2nd inning on the Phillies. This win will put them at .500. Have you guys seen what our old friend Wellington Castillo has been up to? He has 8 HRs in his last 12 games (didn't start tonight) and now has 15 for the year with an .854 OPS.
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Haren's got people out in ways other than K's although that's apparently all luck. Incidentally, Wrigley is playing like an extreme pitcher's park these days, something even Maddon has pointed out. Not sure Hammel is at such a disadvantage there either.
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It isn't sustainable and that is why his ERA is so low this year. His ERA with the Cubs is closer to the way he's been pitching all year than his now 3.55 ERA for the year.
Minus Adam Lind, the Brewers did nothing against him tonight.
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So Dan Haren= good. Cubs offense= bad. Gotcha.
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You destroyed that straw man.
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Pirates lost. Can get a little closer to them for that first wildcard if we can hold on.
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Motte and Russell up in the pen. I guess Rondon is unavailable.
Neal Cotts is still in the league? The Red Sox signed Rich Hill to a minor league contract in the last couple of days...I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.
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Brewers with 11 total bases to Cubs 9 total bases tonight.
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Russell in to close. Can't say Maddon lacks guts.
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Nice play by Castro. Trade him!
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Dan Haren
1st time through the order .696 OPS
2nd .613
3rd .937
4th .000 (2 AB)
Jason Hammel
1st .739
2nd .652
3rd .547
4th .556
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That was a great play. Where is that concentration consistently?
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Where the hell was that first pitch to Segura?
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3 behind the Pirates in the loss column.
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Nice job by Russell.
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Haren did his job tonight. Nuff said.
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Nice to see the Cubs come out and dominate this game...they've had a tendency to play down to opponents in games like this. Good job avoiding the let down after the Giants sweep.
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While the great pitching minutia debate was raging...the Cubs win...again.
Yo...in case some of you tree-people haven't noticed, the forest is looking pretty darn good.
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Nice win, it would be good to sweep and pick up 3 games on the division leaders.
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The Cubs are now on pace to win 92 games. 92 wins would tie the 1969 Cubs for the fourth best record since their last World Series appearance--only 2008, 1989, and 1984 were better.
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I picked them for 91 thinking I was on the optimistic side.
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Scoring runs is really fun. During the last 12 games during which they've gone 11-1, I think Sunday's Arrieta 2-0 shutout is the only game in which they've scored less than 4 runs. (They scored 5 in Haren's loss in Pittsburgh).
When you're scoring 4 or more, you should usually win.
They've been doing that with some variety. Sometimes with HR's. Yesterday, 10 walks/HBP to go with 7 hits. Some games with some critical RISP hits. Sometime hitting some good pitches. Sometimes taking advantage of the occasional mistake.
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Garza and Hammel should be a HR-game, probably. Cubs beat Garza with 3-run homer two weeks ago, Garza was excellent last start, he says he feels healthy now after his DL. Should rack up lots of K's against the Cubs. He's allowed 19HR/123 innings, so HR is his primary vulnerability. Hammel is also rather HR-vulnerable.
Cubs have now opened a 1-game lead over Dodgers. Gaining some margin on Dodgers might be nice; Giants have the hitting to potentially get hot and go on a run. But if they pass us by getting really hot, perhaps they'll also pass LA.
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While the great pitching minutia debate was raging...the Cubs win...again.
Yo...in case some of you tree-people haven't noticed, the forest is looking pretty darn good.
Amen, brother.
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I hope the Giants get really hot and pass the Dodgers. I would love for the Dodgers to miss the playoffs.
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Hammel has given up a homer, walk, and double through 1+ innings. He really hasn't been very good lately. He hasn't gone 6 innings in a game since July 3.
Great heads up defense by Rizzo to get Gennett when he overruns third base on a sac bunt. What a big double play.
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Chris, does Bryant still suck?
Last 5 games, plus tonight:
6-16, 2 HR, 2 2B, 5 BB, 3 K
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Coghlan with an excellent leaping catch to rob Lucroy. That's three hits the Cubs have taken from him on smashes in this series. 1-1 after 2 1/2 innings.
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Point out where I ever said Bryant sucked and I'll try and answer that straw man.
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You just went full Jes, man. Never go full Jes.
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You attempted to taunt someone who wasn't even posting by using a fallacious assertion. Have the guts to prove your comment or retract it.
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You're right, Chris, you never actually used the word "suck." You just selectively point out facts; damn me for reading too much into it.
July 24, 2015, 05:52:30 pm »
Bryant K's for the third time today and the 113th time this year. I don't even look forward to his AB's anymore.
July 26, 2015, 02:42:24 pm »
Bryant K's again, OPS will be under .800 in a few more AB's.
July 26, 2015, 03:45:13 pm »
Another K for Bryant.
July 26, 2015, 04:11:27 pm »
Bryant struck out for the third time today and the 8th time in his last 12 at-bats.
July 27, 2015, 07:52:02 pm »
Bryant resembling Rob Deer lately.
August 06, 2015, 09:00:31 pm »
On the other hand, Bryant does little but strike out.
August 06, 2015, 09:04:01 pm »
Bryant's OPS since the break is .524 and he's K'd 30 times in 70 at-bats.
August 07, 2015, 03:35:03 pm »
Doubt Bryant moves off 3rd. I'd just like to see him hit better than Castro.
August 07, 2015, 04:16:53 pm »
Bryant, Ross, Lester...even minus Castro there are three near automatic outs in the lineup.
August 11, 2015, 09:22:41 pm »
Bryant hits into a DP instead of K'ing this time.
Like I said, you just went full Jes.
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Is this the point where I'm supposed to post before you can type your response and insinuate that you don't the guts to respond?
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C'mon , play nice
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Nothing but posts that cataloged Bryant's struggles over the past month.
Again, have some intestinal fortitude, or at least attempt to be honest. Fact is, you didn't like the posts about Bryant, you took them and claimed a bigger meme, then you double down when no evidence supports your assertion that I said or believe Bryant sucks. He was awful for a six week stretch. That, Okie, is an actual fact.
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The Cubs might be playing their best defensive game of the year so far tonight. They have been the opposite of sloppy.
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Its great to see the Cubs capitalize on Brewers mistakes...
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There has been a lot of Bryant hate here lately.
I wont say who from though.
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Rizzo is awesome, that is an out!
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Rizzo climbs on top of the tarp and into the stands to make a catch. Called no catch, but he was still on the tarp when the ball went into his glove. He had stepped on the wall. Umpires talking to each other.
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I'm on radio. Rizzo jumped on tarp, then stepped on top of wall, caught Braun pop, then fell into the stands. Umps call it a no-catch, out of play.
Maddon seems to be challenging.
Ron and Pat think he'll be out (caught in play), but then falling out of play runner goes to second.
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Changed to an out! Lucroy gets second base because Rizzo did go into the stands.
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Catch in play, runner advances to second for ball going dead into the stands.
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I love the replay rule. The number of incorrect calls that have been corrects (often in the Cubs favor) has been great.
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Yessir!!!!!! Braun is out!!! That was an epic play
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Hammel pulled at 65 pitches? He's been mostly good, why pull him after that?
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Here's the play on Vine:
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/246D2859281243425733574279168_3b1113f2767.4.6.2488781141557318068.mp4?versionId=ecZKCG15ruuHHOxYq87M9.KNrifs7fkg
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Maddon over-managing at this point.
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It's fair to say that Maddon will be relying a lot on the pen down the stretch.
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Maddon over-managing at this point.
Agreed.
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Top of 6th, 2 outs, tying run on 2nd, Maddon lifts Hammel. (if mlb is correct, his pitch count is only around 65 or 70.)
People are going to say that Hammel doesn't pitch deep.
But I love how Maddon pulls him in the 6th in a crucial spot. Good managing. We've got a lead, we've got a strong 7th-8th-9th inning bullpen. If Richard can get out of the inning, we're in good situation. Richard gets the out while I'm typing.
Maddon has the lead, and a chance to get a victory. He's got a lot of starts left. If he gets pulled on short rest, and can stay relatively un-tired later on into the season, that's OK with me.
He pitched a good game, 1 run allowed. Excellent outing for him, excellent decision-making by Maddon.
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Not a fan of the quick hook tonight. No reason to pull Hammel there, and Hammel doesn't look happy about it.
Out of the inning, though. Set up for Grimm-Strop-Rondon.
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Top of 6th, 2 outs, tying run on 2nd, Maddon lifts Hammel. (if mlb is correct, his pitch count is only around 65 or 70.)
People are going to say that Hammel doesn't pitch deep.
But I love how Maddon pulls him in the 6th in a crucial spot. Good managing. We've got a lead, we've got a strong 7th-8th-9th inning bullpen. If Richard can get out of the inning, we're in good situation. Richard gets the out while I'm typing.
Maddon has the lead, and a chance to get a victory. He's got a lot of starts left. If he gets pulled on short rest, and can stay relatively un-tired later on into the season, that's OK with me.
He pitched a good game, 1 run allowed. Excellent outing for him, excellent decision-making by Maddon.
heard Len and J D commenting on Maddons use of the BP similarly when in Florida
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Lind is slugging .534 against righties and .299 agaunst lefties.
It's a good percentage move, not over-managing.
It's the era of the bullpen, folks.
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Top of 6th, 2 outs, tying run on 2nd, Maddon lifts Hammel. (if mlb is correct, his pitch count is only around 65 or 70.)
People are going to say that Hammel doesn't pitch deep.
But I love how Maddon pulls him in the 6th in a crucial spot. Good managing. We've got a lead, we've got a strong 7th-8th-9th inning bullpen. If Richard can get out of the inning, we're in good situation. Richard gets the out while I'm typing.
Maddon has the lead, and a chance to get a victory. He's got a lot of starts left. If he gets pulled on short rest, and can stay relatively un-tired later on into the season, that's OK with me.
He pitched a good game, 1 run allowed. Excellent outing for him, excellent decision-making by Maddon.
I disagree. The more pitchers you pitch, the more likely you are to find one that doesn't have it on that particular night. Hammel struggled early, but was pitching much better the last few innings.
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We were informed last night that Haren gets knocked around third time through the order but Hammel's been at his best third time through. I get Maddon's logic but at some point you have to let your better pitchers pitch. This strategy might be fine for the playoffs but it seems a bit early for it now. And it makes it seem like he doesn't trust his offense either.
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Lind is a real threat to homer there. Negate much of his power with a lefty. One pitch can be the game.
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Great job by Richard.
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Richard with a very easy 7th. Probably the easiest 7th inning of the year. Maddon's quick hook has worked out so far.
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Posters are under managing.
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Rizzo in the crowd after making that catch.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMQOUZ8VAAAFgxB.jpg)
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Strop needs to get Lucroy.
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And he does.
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An insurance run would be nice.
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A run or two here would be nice.
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Posters are under managing.
lol
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E-4 gives the Cubs a baserunner with 1 out for Schwarber.
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Will Smith in to pitch.
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Richard and Wood would make a nice pair of lefties in the pen.
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Ugh,Kyle k's
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As Len pointed out, Brewers attacking Schwarber successfully with high heat. That will get around the league in about 10 seconds. Will have to adjust--just the beginning.
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When you can cut a guys slugging percentage in half by switching hands in a crucial situation, you make the switch. Right call there. Maddon manages like a shark on the scent of blood, and I love it.
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Braun with a leadoff hit in the 9th.
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Infield hit for Lind. Nothing hit hard yet, but really big threat in a one run game.
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Not called an infield hit after all...error. But still runners on first and second, no outs.
Wild pitch, second and third, no outs.
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Well this sucks
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Need to somehow limit the damage to 1 run.
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Screw limiting the damage to one run...just keep them from scoring.
Davis Ks, one out.
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He was awful for a six week stretch. That, Okie, is an actual fact.
Yeah, Okie, he only said he was AWFUL, not that he sucks.
Gee, get your facts straight.
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Gennett Ks! Two outs.
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Screw limiting the damage to one run...just keep them from scoring.
Davis Ks, one out.
Yeah screw all of that. Two down!
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Meh . . .
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Wild pitch scores the tying run.
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Montero you @$$#÷:&&%
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K ends the inning. Bloop hit, error, wild pitch, wild pitch.
Rizzo/Bryant/Soler coming up. Hope they can walk off.
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Like I said, limit the damage to 1 run.
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That was one of the best pitched blown saves of all time.
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Montero you @$$#÷:&&%
I don't think that one was on Montero. That was a really wild slider to handle.
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Rizzo leadoff walk.
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What was Bryant looking for? Ks on a straight fastball in the zone.
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Chris was right about Bryant.
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A really fun game has turned ugly in the last inning. Frustrating pitching/defense, bad hitting by Bryant, bad baserunning by Rizzo.
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Chris was right about Bryant.
ha-ha
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What a revoltin development this is....
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Hunter in for the 10th. The really bad part of the Brewers lineup is due.
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Quick inning for Hunter.
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3 up 3 down...
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Nice catch by Denorfia to end the top of the 10th.
Montero/Castro/Russell coming up. A Castro walkoff would be fun.
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MONTERO!!!
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Well if that slider was his fault, he just made up for it!
CUBS WIN!!!
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Miggy!!!!!
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According to Len, that ball was massacred to the opposite field.
CUBS WIN!
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Just get to extra innings, and we always win.
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Wow !!! Montero mea culpa, mea culpa....
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Yay!
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Cubs just 1 1/2 behind Pirates.
16 over. Wow.
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Montero walk off:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/chc/video/v362367383/milchc-montero-hammers-a-walkoff-homer-to-center
Rizzo play:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/chc/video/v361676983/milchc-rizzo-makes-incredible-grab-falls-in-crowd
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Class act. In the post game interview, Montero said that the pitch in the ninth was on him. He could have blocked it, but tried to stab at it instead. Twice he said "my fault, can't let that happen".
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I'm still wondering how they give Russell an error on that play?
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Can expect an error when an accurate throw gets runner easily. Had plenty of time.
Seemed like had a play at 1B too if elected to go there.
Rookie trying to do too much, such as turning DP on that ball.
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I thought the rule says that in scoring you cannot anticipate a double play. I don't recall anything about "easy throw" "hard throw" "difficult angle" "piece of cake" nothing. I didn't watch the game. Did the runner advance to second because of the throw? Then it's understandable.
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Speaking of errors, here is Tommy John making three errors on one batted ball.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IGLuJxvBhE8
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I thought the rule says that in scoring you cannot anticipate a double play. I don't recall anything about "easy throw" "hard throw" "difficult angle" "piece of cake" nothing. I didn't watch the game. Did the runner advance to second because of the throw? Then it's understandable.
Braun at 1B with no outs. Lind hits grounder toward 2B and Russell makes very nice play fielding ball near 2B side. Had plenty of time to either get a force at 2B or throw to 1B to get Lind. Elected to make difficult backhand flip to Castro for force at 2B but threw wildly. Braun holds at 2B. Lind is slow runner and seemed like Russell thought could turn DP by flipping to Castro. Both runners safe. Rookie mistake--trying to do too much.
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Yeah, if no out recorded, it's an error.
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Richard looked good tonight in relief.
Brooks had him at 94.9 average with 4-seamer and 93.4 average with 2-seamer.
Interesting how starters uptick in velocity in relief. Would expect that, I suppose.
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I'd have to see it again, I guess...I thought his momentum prevented him from setting and making a good flip to 2nd, and a throw to 1st would have been across his body without much on it. I could be mistaken, though...
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It was a tough flip, as executed, because he rushed (that's why seemed he was thinking DP). Could have not rushed and would have had easier toss to 2B for the force, as Braun not that near to bag. Or, as batted ball took Russell toward and almost facing 1B, think he, alternatively, had play at 1B with slow-running Lind.
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The MLBtv highlights include Ryan Dempster doing a Harry Carey impression on the Rizzo catch (and the Montero homer). "Oh my God! Where'd that guy in the Cubs jersey come out of nowhere to make a catch? Somebody get him a contract!"
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Also loved seeing a giddy Montero after his post-game Gatorade bath: "It's worth it. I wish I could do that every night!"
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Winning 11 of 12 is kinda fun...
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Blazek had only given up two previous homers in 56 innings.
Banging a no-doubter, opposite field homer--that's really something for Montero.
And, as Dave noted, lots of class to take responsibility for poor technique on the wild pitch. Super-tough job with tying run on third and your pitcher throwing tons of sliders.
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Iwakuma, Montero, Rondon, and Blazek---all on my fantasy team. The Good, the bad, and the ugly.
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Baseball is so much more fun when we are good
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I vaguely recall that being the case.
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Richard looked good tonight in relief. Brooks had him at 94.9 average with 4-seamer and 93.4 average with 2-seamer. Interesting how starters uptick in velocity in relief. Would expect that, I suppose.
It's one game, so perhaps he'll come in tomorrow and give up two home runs.
But, I think there's a chance that Richard in relief could be a useful guy. This could be pretty significant. May be that he could be a good, functional long-term lefty reliever.
1. Career-wise, he's got splits that might be conducive to a lefty-reliever. .608 OPS for LHH, .805 RHH.
2. Career he's always been a strike-thrower. Not going to be a filthy-stuff killer, but often the concern with relievers is inconsistency and control. A steady strike-thrower lefty might be nice.
3. He was throwing hard in his last effective start as well. May be that in short relief, he'll really be pretty fast, and that the 94 will be no fluke.
One extra useful reliever who can get used in close games would be very helpful.
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Richard was pretty good as a starter before getting hurt, as I recall, so I'm pretty happy they've kept him around.
had play at 1B with slow-running Lind.
I recall thinking this when I watched it last night, but I also noted at the end of a shot that Lind had gotten down the line much faster than I thought. I could be wrong, but I don't think would have been an easy out at first. I think it was a "tough error."
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Maddon said post-game that Russell could have gone to 1B for the out but also said Russell was not thinking DP either. Just made awkward throw to 2B. Said Russell would work on making flip better and would get out next time around.
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Was surprised he got to that ball with such ease in the first place
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Russell's D is legit.
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Was surprised he got to that ball with such ease in the first place
Yeah, guys with plus range sometimes put themselves in position to get a throwing error, whereas guys with lesser range watch ball go for a hit. That's why we look at more advanced metrics than fielding %. Russell made very nice play to get to that ball.
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Sloppy Cubs in 1-1 game....man they are atrocious today... >:(
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Good thing Lester can pitch because in every other aspect of the game he's abysmal.
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Amen
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Luckily, pitching is a pretty key skill for a pitcher.
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He'd make life a lot easier on himself if he'd do anything else even remotely well.
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But he doesn't and likely never will.
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Sabermetrics shows that pitching is 90% of pitching.
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87% of all statistics are made up
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Ross nails Seguera at 3rd. Brewers now 4-5 on the bases today.
Seems teams haven't taken as much advantage of Lester lately but that may be changing.
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Lester doesn't appear to be pitching all that well today.
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However, he escapes the fifth.
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What the hell?
Fowler drills one over the fence that ricochets back onto the field. No call is made so the ball is in play but Russell and Fowler both stop running. Brewers take their time picking the ball up and Russell eventually makes it home.
Now a replay.
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Ball hit the wall over the fence. Should be a 2-run homer.
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And they get the call right. I'm shocked. Even Len and JD weren't sure there was enough video evidence.
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We need to extend Fowler.
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No need for replay on that one. Schwarber crushes it out to center. 4-1
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You couldn't really tell for sure from the replay if you just watched the ball. But if you watched the fan's reaction right behind where the ball hit, it was obvious that he tried to catch the ball by trapping it on the wall.
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Schwarber leaves no doubt.
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Great swing on a fastball up and on the outer portion of the plate.
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Man Schwarber is a sledgehammer.
Who gives a damn if he can field the ball?
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I thought the replay showed the ball hitting the wall. You have to look closely. Then again, that ball never takes that hard bounce back towards the infield if it hits the overhang.
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Rizzo bombs it into the shrubbery. 5-1
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Bingo, bango, bongo.
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Rizzo hits one past the rope as well...5-1 Cubs
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Coghlan should be DFA'd.
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Herrera already in at 2nd.
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Strike 2 and strike 3 to Coghlan were ****...especially strike 3.
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5-2 after two liners off Lester.
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Maddon won't be happy if Lester can't get through 7 today.
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Alright Joe go to the pen Lester is weakening
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5th steal of the day.
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Yep, and only one run from those steals. In other words, it doesn't matter much.
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Castro suddenly popular now that he's a bench player.
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He's the right man for the job.
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Why bring in Herrera for defense the inning before Lester is due up, and then use Castro to PH for Lester, immediately replacing him with Motte, to pitch the next inning? That does not seem like a great use of the bench.
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I don't know what Motte was throwing that inning but it wasn't all FB's and cutters. Nasty pitch inside for that last K.
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With two walks and a homer today, Fowler is up to .239/.337/.389 on the season. He's back in line with his typical career numbers minus some BABIP luck.
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Wow, Schwarber is good.
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Schwarber sure is going into a tailspin.
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Wow. I am officially starting to believe in this team. I can't remember the last stretch of baseball this much fun.
If Dan Haren beats Chris Sale on Sunday, then I'm officially on board with the 2015 Back to the Future prediction...
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Demanding, aren't we?
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Kyle Schwarber's wRC+ is up to 184.
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DFA him
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He is a bad bad man.
I honestly didnt realize he was this good.
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He is a bad bad man.
I honestly didnt realize he was this good.
That's the baddest good quote I've seen.
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Why bring in Herrera for defense the inning before Lester is due up, and then use Castro to PH for Lester, immediately replacing him with Motte, to pitch the next inning? That does not seem like a great use of the bench.
With a 5-1 lead, one extra inning of better defense > burning one player off the bench.
Seems reasonable, given the score. Also, maybe says something about Maddon's fear of Coghlan at 2B when he has a good lead in score.
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Wrigley playing like Wrigley for the first time in about 12 years.
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Yeah, and let's give Lester some credit for pitching in these conditions.
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Flare RBI single for Schwarber. When you're hot you're hot.
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He was about 4 inches from squaring that ball up and hitting it a mile too.
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Wood allowed 9 homers in 7 starts. He's allowed 1 since moving to the pen and none since May 27th.
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Schwarber back up to 1.041 OPS.
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Two more K's for Wood to close it out. That's 26 in his last 20-1/3 IP.
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This has been a fun Summer.
I hope its an even better Fall.
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Yeah, and let's give Lester some credit for pitching in these conditions.
Amen.
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It's been a long time since I felt this good about our team.
That no-hitter really hurt, but the Cubs' hitters have turned things around 180° since then. Watch clips of them flailing their bats around in that game and then watch the patient, disciplined at-bats of the past two weeks. The difference is unreal.
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Two more K's for Wood to close it out. That's 26 in his last 20-1/3 IP.
Moving Wood to a relief role seems to be working out pretty well. Who'd a thunk it.
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Demanding, aren't we?
Heh. I mean... I'm already officially hooked, as of today. But if Haren beats Sale, then something truly bizarre is afoot, and I might need to get myself to Vegas and bet heavily on the Cubs to win it all. #MartyMcFlyToldMeSo
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"Moving Wood to a relief role seems to be working out pretty well. Who'd a thunk it."
I wood. But it might well have been a travisty.
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Speaking of travesties...
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Di, no matter what happens on Sunday, my advice is to enjoy the ride but DO NOT BET ON THE CUBS.
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I usually bet against my heart, as a hedge. (I always pick Duke to win it all in at least one of my NCAA brackets.) But maybe it's time to change that up and go all in.
Life savings on the Cubs! Just the vote of confidence they need to put them over the top!
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I am confident that if Cubs turn around and lose 6 of the next 7 games, the tone of the board will change (as it should).
162 game season.
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I am confident that if Cubs turn around and lose 1 game, the tone of the board will change.
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Man, you have way more confidence than I do.
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I am confident that if Cubs turn around and lose 1 game, the tone of the board will change.
Yep.
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Confidence abounds.
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I usually bet against my heart, as a hedge. (I always pick Duke to win it all in at least one of my NCAA brackets.) But maybe it's time to change that up and go all in.
Life savings on the Cubs! Just the vote of confidence they need to put them over the top!
Stop it! You promised to support my baseball habit in my old age.
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Confidence.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/robertdeni451579.html?src=t_confident
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I usually bet against my heart, as a hedge. (I always pick Duke to win it all in at least one of my NCAA brackets.) But maybe it's time to change that up and go all in.
Life savings on the Cubs! Just the vote of confidence they need to put them over the top!
Di, better send that money to me to hold on to for you. Trust me.
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I usually bet against my heart, as a hedge. (I always pick Duke to win it all in at least one of my NCAA brackets.) But maybe it's time to change that up and go all in.
Life savings on the Cubs! Just the vote of confidence they need to put them over the top!
Stop it! You promised to support my baseball habit in my old age.
Exactly! Which is why I need to "invest" now to prepare. Don't worry. This plan is fool-proof. Which is why I'm letting Curt help me with it.
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On pace for 93 wins (same as 1989!) and (according to Fangraphs) an 80% chance at making the post-season. What a difference a few weeks makes!
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Yeah, a few weeks (even one week) can make one helluva difference this time of year. Let's enjoy the last 7 games and keep our fingers crossed (and our emotions in check).
Long way to go!
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For me, the Cubs have reached the point where it will be quite disappointing, though not too surprising, if they don't make the postseason.
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87% of all statistics are made up
Idiot. That is 87.35 %.
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I rounded up because a lot of guys on here don't like picky statistics.
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Easy to see why you weren't a math teacher.
You rounded DOWN.
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Wood threw 12 four-seamers today, averaging 93.2.
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Easy to see why you weren't a math teacher.
You rounded DOWN.
It's called Jesmath.
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For me, the Cubs have reached the point where it will be quite disappointing, though not too surprising, if they don't make the postseason.
Yeah, these are the Cubs. It's getting scary.
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BP's current Cubs' playoff percentage is now up to 87.42%. My guess is they'll add Baez, LaStella, Szczur, Olt, Rosscup and Edwards in September, and perhaps others. That should help the Cubs' short bench problem.
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The Cubs have 3 road games left against each of the Cards, Giants, Pirates, and Dodgers. Those games will be key to the Cubs' playoff chances, and it will be great experience for the youngsters to play in meaningful late season road games.
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BP's current Cubs' playoff percentage is now up to 87.42%. My guess is they'll add Baez, LaStella, Szczur, Olt, Rosscup and Edwards in September, and perhaps others. That should help the Cubs' short bench problem.
And assuming a few of those guys will make the main roster next spring is why I'm pessimistic about Ross' chances of hanging on. The whole relief corp may also have to be overhauled so they can do with fewer arms, too.
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Odd that the Cubs and Sox are playing a Friday day game. Anyone know why?
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Fowler CF
Schwarber DH
Coghlan LF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Montero C
Denofria RF
Castro 2B
Russel SS
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I just looked up Samardzija's stats in preparation for today's game. I had not realized he had regressed so badly. His last couple of starts appear to be really awful. Not exactly a premier preparation for his free agent year - something he had clearly been aiming toward.
Does anyone have a sense of what has been going on with him?
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Whatever the cause of his problems, the Cubs will be the cure.
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Kharma.
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His pitch selection is poor.
His fastball usage went from 30.8% 4 seam, 24.1% 2 seam to 32.7% 4 seam, 8.8% 2 seam.
His slider/cutter went from 20.3/13.4% to 22.5%/23.4%
His split finger has picked up recently, but ealier in the year he was using it less. It has been less effective as well.
All of this has taken him from a strike out/ground ball pitcher to a pitch to contact/fly ball pitcher. The velocity is down just a touch, but I think it is more pitch selection/bad White Sox defense.
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I'm glad we traded him away instead of pay up long term for him.
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By accounts, the Cubs tried reasonably hard to sign both Garza and Samardz to extensions. Interesting to imagine what the team would like like had they don't so. Or, had they had the chance to draft Appel instead of Bryant. Or, had had they signed Tanaka.
Having smart management is fantastic. But even smart guys need some luck, too.
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I wonder what Philly is expecting for Utley? It's hard of me to be objective, because I still have the elite Utley in my mind. Really professional hitter back then. He'd seem like an interesting pickup, though.
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I'm glad we traded him away instead of pay up long term for him.
Anyone who isn't happy that he was traded for Russell and McKinney has a screw lose. For the right price, assuming Price signs elsewhere I would like to have him back.
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I'm glad we traded him away instead of pay up long term for him.
I am too, but I do wonder if Samardzija would be better off right now if he was still working with Bosio. Samardzija's career turned around pretty much as soon as he started working with Bosio.
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I wonder what Philly is expecting for Utley? It's hard of me to be objective, because I still have the elite Utley in my mind. Really professional hitter back then. He'd seem like an interesting pickup, though.
Not really a situation where necessarily have to outbid other clubs for Utley. Utley will decide based on his 10/5 rights. Of course, Phils could just keep him, unlikely as that is.
Guessing would cost Cubs a top 30 prospect, perhaps a guy subject to the Rule 5----D. Torrez, Black, Vogelbach. Not worth giving too much unless Utley is really going to be the starter, an assurance he needs anyway to accept a trade. Kind of weird now to have a 2B starter getting pulled in 6th inning for defense, so think Cubs alleged interest isn't just blowing smoke.
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Utley has looked good since back from the DL. Before the DL stint, not so much.
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Did the injury that put him on the DL happen **after** the hundreds of bad at-bats? Or was he playing hurt through the hundreds of bad at-bats, and eventually opted to go on DL?
Baseball is a hard game. Probably a lot of guys can't play it very well when playing hurt. So if he was bad *because* he was hurt, and now he's not hurt anymore, then I'm not sure how relevant those bad-at-bats have.
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I am too, but I do wonder if Samardzija would be better off right now if he was still working with Bosio. Samardzija's career turned around pretty much as soon as he started working with Bosio.
I wonder how much Samardz will cost on the market, how much he'd want to get back with Bosio, and how interested Bosio and the Cubs would be in getting him back. There is a scenario where you could get him for a favorable contract.
But, fair chance that there's a lot more going on then just good coach/bad coach.
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Two batters in, and the Cubs lead 1-0 on a Fowler triple/Schwarber sac fly.
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Coghlan K, Rizzo BB, Bryant double...2nd and 3rd, 2 outs in the first. Samardzija approaching 30 pitches already.
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Montero Ks on a 3-2 pitch. 31 pitches total for Samardzija in the first on a 93 degree day.
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Two batters in, and the Cubs lead 1-0 on a Fowler triple/Schwarber sac fly.
Fowler "triple" was actually a single with a two base error by the right fielder (even if scorer didn't rule that way).
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Hendricks isn't looking especially good either. He's wild. Single, GIDP, BB, BB so far.
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Two run double for Garcia. Hendricks doesn't have it today, hope Richard is ready to go 3-4 innings in this one.
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Thank goodness for that double play or this inning would have been a disaster.
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Hope Hendricks can get it figured out. He hasn't yet.
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Gets out with only 2 runs. Down by one, could have been worse.
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Samardzija's thinking the same thing.
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Easy 11 pitch second inning for Samardzija.
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Hendricks leaving a lot of balls up in the zone...
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In contrast to Samardzija, Hendricks' second inning isn't any better than his first.
Maddon really should consider getting Richard up and into this game. Hendricks isn't likely to succeed when he doesn't know where the ball is going.
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Yeah, it doesn't seem like Hendricks is long for this game.
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Double, walk, and infield hit in the inning. Bases loaded with 2 outs. This is about to turn ugly.
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Hendricks needs to get Abreu here.
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Wow. Struck out Abreu with the bases loaded to get out of the 2nd inning.
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Richard up in the pin.
Abreu Ks!
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57 pitches through 2 innings for Hendricks. Short game for him.
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57 pitches for Hendricks already. I think you're tempting fate if you don't have an extremely quick hook for him going forward. Maybe you let him start the next inning, but Richard comes in if anyone gets on base.
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Fowler doubles, Schwarber walks. Opportunity knocks.
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Fowler double, Schwarber walk. First and second, nobody out for Rizzo.
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Just saw on Twitter: Fowler's last 5 PAs: HR, BB, 2B, 3B, 2B. Not bad.
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Oops. Coghlan, not Rizzo. Cubs 11-0 with Coghlan batting third.
Coghlan! 3 run homer!
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COGHLAN! 4-2 Cubs.
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Coghlan 3-run bomb. 4-2.
Samardz has always been strongly HR-vulnerable.
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Coghlan: "Chase Who?"
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4-2 good kids
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When I saw the ball come off Coghlan's bat, I thought it would be a home run. But Len reported it as if it would be a routine fly ball until the last few seconds.
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Clean 1-2-3 3rd for Hendricks.
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Very nice 1-2-3 inning for Hendricks in the third. Richard was still up in the pen, but I bet he's not now. Try to get Hendricks through five.
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Must have been a nice third inning for Hendricks...left the room for 2 minutes, and came back to LaRoche hitting a grounder for the third out.
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Must have been a nice third inning for Hendricks...left the room for 2 minutes, and came back to LaRoche hitting a grounder for the third out.
Go leave again.
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Castro is so slow. He had all day to steal that base, and Soto still threw him out easily.
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The fourth inning is looking as bad as the first two. Time to pull Hendricks.
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You know you suck today when trash like Sanchez and Soto are hitting and scoring.
Hendricks is not going to last much longer at this pace.
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LEAVE THE ROOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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White Sox lead. 5-4
Get him out. He totally sucks.
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5-4 White Sox. Ugh, the one time Maddon doesn't have the quick hook...
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Another hit.
Richards coming in.
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Another hit.
Richards coming in.
Yes, but is br going out?
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Man, I really like these throwback uniforms despite their dull gray color. Simple and timeless.
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Coghlan!
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Rizzo!
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Hope they don't check Coghlan for steriods. Wowzer!
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I think this is where Craig would say homers are nice and helpful.
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Heh, they better check Adam Eaton first...
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Was sure Richard was a soft-tossing lefty. Who knew a trip to the pen would bring out 92-93 with hard downward movement?
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Castro's blazing speed allows him to beat out an infield single.
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Kinda nice offensively not having to work around the pitcher coming up at #8, no?
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It would seem br has left the room...
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Kinda nice offensively not having to work around the pitcher coming up at #8, no?
That's an understatement.
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This should probably be Richard's last inning.
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That's not a good start. 0-2 to Soto and walked him.
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Man, I really like these throwback uniforms despite their dull gray color. Simple and timeless.
I agree.
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Grimm is really good. He may be their best reliever.
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That was a brutally nasty inning by Grimm.
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Ramirez beats out an infield grounder. I have a bad feeling. Things often go poorly in this park.
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I love when the opposition sacrifice bunts.
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Wow, gift call there.
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Strop is so concerned about Ramirez on second base that he's going to mess around and walk Saladino to bring up Abreu.
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Strop was just a bit pumped up after getting out of the jam. . . .
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Going to the 9th, 6-5. Cubs need to score a few runs and make it easy on Rondon.
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Think Strop just killed whatever was in his vicinity.
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Agree, by the way, about the sacrifice bunt. Just glad it failed for them the way it's supposed to.
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Pedro a little amped up on that one.
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Castro 3 for 4. Nice.
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First pitch to Schwarber called a strike.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMZ95cAW8AAjvg-.png)
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If Castro doesn't run that's a hit for Schwarber.
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That is one huge out.
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Sure would have felt better if Bryant had caught that pop up.
Things might get nasty now.
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What a play by Rizzo on the Ruseell throw. Two down.
Cubs win.
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8!
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Cubs are good.
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CUBS WIN!
Nice job, bullpen. If they don't have any plans to ever stretch Grimm out as a starter, he's a future closer.
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whoohoo!
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Way to leave the room br.
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That was a tough, grind it out win. Very nice.
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Heck of a performance by the bullpen today. 5 2/3rd innings of 2 hit, 2 walk, 8 K ball.
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I did leave the room as they were changing pitchers from Hendricks to Richard, so I'm taking credit.
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Wow. What a job by the pen! I know there will be days where it doesn't work, but boy have the 7th/8th/9th started to feel comfortable...
And the rest of the pen (Wood, Motte, Russell, Richard today, etc.) have done their jobs as well. Awesome to be able to win a game like this.
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I have to say that I am amazed by what this team (with half of the players rookies) is doing. I never expected anything like this during this season. This is a lot of fun, with everybody contributing (including Starlin today). Enjoying the ride, wherever it leads.
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The Cubs are now on 93-94 win pace. If they just play .500 the rest of the way, they'll win 90 games.
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The Cubs are now 12-0 when Coghlan bats third.
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The Cubs are now 12-0 when Coghlan bats third.
I'm sure we all expected something like this.
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Strop's theatrics were not entirely spontaneous:
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/33263/stropramirez-moment-add-some-intensity-to-cubssox
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Even with a DH and Lester not starting David Ross is in the lineup.
Montero has an .864 OPS against LHP's.
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Gotta get Dave goin.
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Rizzo saves Russell an error on another bad throw. Not sure he's not better off at 2nd.
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Apparently, Tyler Saladino is a better Brooks Robinson.
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Ross is in there so he can allow wild pitches with horrendous defensive technique.
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Oh lord...what a dumb ass play by Jake
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Arrieta throws a comebacker over Rizzo's head. This game has had a bad vibe since it started.
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Sox handed a run on a hit batter, wild pitch, throwing error, and ground out.
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Consecutive doubles by Russell and Fowler tie the game.
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Back-to-back 2 out doubles by Russell and Fowler tie the game.
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Should be 1-0 Cubs.
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Thanks to Castro, The lead run is at 3rd.
Tag the runner. It's not hard to do.
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Castro missed the tag on what should've been an easy caught stealing. This has been a really sloppy game.
Now after a grounder, Garcia is at third with one out. Should be 2 outs with no one on.
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Slop. Pure slop.
Come on Bryant. Worst run down ever.
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Unbelievable. This is by far the sloppiest game the Cubs have played in a while.
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Cubs playing like Little Leaguers.
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That K should be the first out of the 5th inning.
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Cubs give White Sox 5 outs and get out of the inning still tied 1-1.
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IBB to Fowler to get to Schwarber...I know Fowler has been hot, but wow.
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Schwarber hits the ball almost too hard again.
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I'm with JD, I can't believe Ventura didn't challenge that play. I doubt it would have been overturned, but you never know. It was a big enough deal that you have to challenge, I think.
But we'll take it. 2-1 Cubs.
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Well, the inexplicable continues.
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Stupid baserunning by Schwarber there, the ball barely got away from Flowers. More sloppy baseball.
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How are the Cubs leading this game?
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Russell clearly got his foot in. The catcher positioned his glove badly.
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How are the Cubs leading this game?
Arrieta allowing only 2 hits through 5 innings helps.
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How are the Cubs leading this game?
Their opponent stinks.
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A double for Rizzo that should have been an easy out.
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I would guess playing this poorly against good teams like the Cards, Pirates, etc.the score would be vastly different and in favor of the opposition...
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Yeah, if the Cardinals had been the opponent during that 5 out inning, they would be up by 5 runs right now.
Now the Cubs take advantage of the White Sox sloppiness. 3-1.
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More bad but good.
Single for Soler scoring Rizzo, but he should be at 3rd on that wild throw because no one was backing up the play.
3-1 Cubs.
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Now Soler with a TOOTBLAN. What an ugly game.
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Now Soler thrown at 3rd on a dumb decision.
Man this is really bad baseball tonight between these two.
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Like Charlie Einstein said before the war-depleted 1945 World Series: "I don't think either team can win."
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Two quick outs and back to back doubles. 3-2.
Some moron threw a beer can at Kyle in left field.
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TOOTBLAN?
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Thrown Out On The Bases Like A Nincompoop. It's a term that shows up on Twitter a lot, and it was originally inspired by Ryan Theriot.
http://tootblan.tumblr.com/
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Really don't understand the Russell sacrifice with two doubles tonight. I hope that was his own choice and he was trying to bunt for a hit.
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Thrown Out On The Bases Like A Nincompoop. It's a term that shows up on Twitter a lot, and it was originally inspired by Ryan Theriot.
http://tootblan.tumblr.com/
Lol...thank you sir
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How was Fowler out?
He was past the bag before the ball was in the glove.
Worst call ever. How can he be that blind.
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Call was overturned. Horrible they had to use replay for that.
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Replay and Hawk say he's safe ;D
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The only thing I can think of on that play is that the umpire thought Fowler missed the base somehow when he stepped on Abreu's foot. Fowler clearly beat the ball.
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Cubs score another run because of sloppiness, 4-2.
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Bad baseball from the White Sox. 4-2 as Ross scores on the wild throw.
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This is my first time listening to the White Sox announcers. One guy with a southern-ish accent and another who could be from anywhere. Which one is Hawk?
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The clown that says "you gotta be bleepin me", "he gone", is Hawk, the other guy is Steve Stone
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Harrelson's the one whining about all the gifts the Cubs are getting.
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Rizzo RBI single.
Was that first run score on not sloppiness?
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I knew that other voice was familiar!
And the voice that is Hawk started bothering me literally seconds after I first heard it. Now I see why people detest him so much.
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BTW, it'll go unnoticed but Schwarber really moved down the line forcing Ramirez to hurry his throw. I'm not certain a good throw gets him.
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Hawk is such a POS. He is one arrogant butthole.
He makes the games so hard to watch. When he was gone for a medical reason a few months ago, they had Chuck Swirsky take his place. It was a real blessing.
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Yeah Tuffy very few seconds are needed to confirm that Hawk is a total ________ (insert favorite adjective)
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Ventura got kicked out during the pitching change, I'm betting for the 3-2 pitch to Bryant.
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Soler base hit. 6-2 Cubs.
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I love it when Hawk says "WE gave three gift runs!" WE?! lmao
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Joe West always throws out Robin.
Hawk thinks Joe West is against the White Sox for some reason.
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Classic Hawk: White Sox are better than the Royals:
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2015/8/13/9144747/ken-harrelson-chicago-white-sox-better-than-kansas-city-royals
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I love it when Hawk says "WE gave three gift runs!" WE?! lmao
"Six, eleven, and two for THEM" -- even Harry wasn't this partisan, and Harry was fun to listen to.
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Classic Hawk: White Sox are better than the Royals:
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2015/8/13/9144747/ken-harrelson-chicago-white-sox-better-than-kansas-city-royals
The poor delusional bastid! Hawk is pathetic
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39k plus at the game,a Thank You Cubs gift to the Sox
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9 in a row. Strange game, but they're winning those more than losing them now.
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Cubs win, 9 in a row.
That was Rondon's 50th save for the Cubs--that's good for 11th on the Cubs' all time list. He'll move into the top ten by tying Mitch Williams with 2 more saves.
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"Six, eleven, and two for THEM" -- even Harry wasn't this partisan....
Oh, yes he was.
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Harry was pretty biased and drunk half the time, but he is nothing to compared to this idiot.
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And again no ground gained.
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Not a singe gripe about balls and strikes here tonight. Is that because ABC7 does not show us a pitchtrax box or did Joe West call a good game?
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Well, no ground gained unless you count the Wild Card race. The Nationals fell to 9.5 games behind the Cubs tonight, meaning that they'd have to outplay the Cubs by 10 games the rest of the way AND the Mets would have to outplay the Cubs by 5 games for the NL East to be relevant. This win streak has taken the NL East out of the wild card race.
It would be nice if they could start picking up a few games on the Cardinals and Pirates, though.
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I was thinking of the Pirates and Giants. You can forget the Cardinals.
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Not a singe gripe about balls and strikes here tonight. Is that because ABC7 does not show us a pitchtrax box or did Joe West call a good game?
I remember hating West, but this year he's been pretty good in Cubs games where he isn't behind the plate. I have no clue how he did last night.
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I remember hating West, but this year he's been pretty good in Cubs games where he isn't behind the plate. I have no clue how he did last night.
Joe West's ego has always been his biggest problem. Hopefully, we'll get through the series without any incidents that set it off.
One thing that did really bother me Saturday night was how hard it seemed for him to move around. That isn't much of a problem behind the plate but unless it is something temporary, this should be his final season.
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Certainly the pitchtrax box creates more complaints, since presumably it takes the subjectivity of the observer out of the equation. It is easier to get upset when the umpire is proven wrong, rather than when you think he might be wrong, but other observers disagree.
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Sales is dominant today. Unless Haren can throw a shutout, the winning streak ends here.
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You're guaranteeing that the Cubs will not score today?
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Pull Castro right now and give him his release papers.
How much more do we have to take?
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Anything can happen, but there is little doubt that Sales is more likely to shut down the Cubs than Haren is to shut down the Sox.
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Castro with another stupid error
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Cranialrectalitis
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Terrible defense by the Sox as well.
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They put a ball in play though. Baby steps.
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The between-inning scoreboard on the Cubs broadcast shows the Cubs with a hit...did they call that Soler grounder an hit? Or is the broadcast just wrong?
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Error. E-3, although it looked as if for LaRoche to catch the throw he would have had to come off the base. It really was an E-6, perhaps compounded by a bad play by LaRoche to not come off the bag to prevent the ball from getting away allowing Soler to advance to second. Do they ever give errors to 2 players on a play like that?
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Well, I hope that 1 run is not the end of the streak.
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Crist, just walk Abreu from now on. He is murdering them.
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I doubt it's going to be just that one run. Haren has looked really uncomfortable ever since he took that ball off his ankle.
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Sale might set the strikeout record today. The Cubs hitters aren't seeing the ball at all. They're hacking at balls a foot off the plate and in the dirt.
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Sale is going to set some kind of record today. This is stupid hitting by the Cubs.
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It would be pretty embarrassing if, after going 50 years without getting no-hit, we now can't even go 50 games without such humiliation.
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9 k's though 4 and they are being no hit again.
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2-0 **** team
Just be happy of they can get a hit today. That would be a win in itself.
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I don't think it'll be that embarrassing if the Cubs get no hit today. The last time I saw a pitcher look as strong as Sale has so far, it was May 6, 1998.
When a pitcher like Sale is on like he is today, there's not much an offense can do.
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A no-hitter is just 1 loss in the standings. Who cares?
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A no hitter can be a learning experience and easier from which to recover than a come from behind walk off homer for a young team. For example, the young Cubs recovered much more quickly from the Hamel no no than the. Peralta home run a few weeks ago.
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Guess Sale just needed the Cubs to get out of his funk.
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I know we'd all like to win every game, but it's really hard to get upset about being behind 3-0 to one of the best pitchers in baseball, in a game against our #5 starter
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Atta boy, Dex. Now at least we can call off the two no hitters in a month panic
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And now we have two baserunners for the first time. Come on, Kris.
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Bryant has no clue or chance.
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Bryant's going to fan 200 times. At what point do we worry about his ceiling as a hitter?
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Sale is still throwing 99. Wow
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Rizzo got plunked to load the bases.
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Sale at 103 pitches.
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Strike 3 to Soler was out of the zone. Sale is unbeatable if umpires are going to give him that strike zone.
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Betting Sale goes another inning. Give him a chance at 15 K's.
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Pat just said no one throwing in the pen, so looks like one more inning of dealing with Sale.
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If they leave him in, he has a good chance of breaking the strikeout record. Needs 6 with 6 outs left.
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If they leave him in, I hope his arm falls off.
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If they leave him in, I hope his arm falls off.
Not nice.
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Stupid for the Sox to leave their ace in the game for some meaningless stat.
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Sox wisely pull Sale. What a game he had.
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This ump is just guessing on the outside corner today.
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Homer by Soler with 2 outs in the 9th.
Too bad the umpire took the bat out of Soler's hands to end the 6th inning. The outcome probably wouldn't have changed, but he seemed to be the only one who wasn't completely overmatched by Sale today.
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Two brutally bad calls at first base go against the Cubs in this series. Good thing they have replay now.
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Castro makes the last out.
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Fitting that worst player on the team ends the game.
Hawk thinks the Sox just won the division the way he is screaming.
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The weather doesn't look great tonight. I hope they get it in because they don't have many more opportunities to make up games. I wish they'd played a make up game or two in the first half instead of pushing them all off.
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From the radar map, it looks like they might get in an hour and a half or more. Best to get ahead early.
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We are getting pounded with storms. It's no an easy rain either.
Tornado Watch until 10pm
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What ever happened to WeatherGuy. He used to protect the Cubs from storms like this.
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The Cubs are on MLB Network tonight with curmudgeon Bob Costas announcing.
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Mlb network begins their telecast with the curse of the billy goat. Disgusting
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The Weather Channel has the rain starting at 8:45 Chicago time...if that's right, this should become official about the time the rain hits.
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Umpire doesn't give Hammel a very close 1-2 pitch to Kinsler, then Kinsler puts one in the basket on the next pitch.
Cabrera follows with a homer.
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Come on rain!!!!
2-0 very quickly.
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Can't get the game on DISH...have to read the updates here >:(
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Man, Hammel has been awful since he hurt his leg.
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This looks more like the Cubs so far.
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Cabrera's home run was reversed, but JD Martinez homers a couple pitches later and it's 3-0. It's home run derby.
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Jason stinks tonight
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Man, Hammel has been awful since he hurt his leg.
Five starts since that game prior to tonight, three of them really good, the fourth was good up to the point Maddon decided to preeminently yank him.
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I guess it just feels like he's been terrible because he keeps getting pulled early.
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Hammel gets out of the first allowing only the three runs. He threw right around 30 pitches.
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Anibal Sanchez has been terrible this year...3 runs probably won't win this game.
Leadoff line drive single for Fowler.
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Sanchez throws a pickoff throw away, but they throw Fowler out at second base.
Verducci points out that Cabrera actually threw his glove at the ball on the pickoff throw and Fowler should've been awarded two bases.
Schwarber walks.
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Coghlan homers, 3-2. If the umpire had called Cabrera for throwing his glove at the ball, we'd be tied.
Still, Sanchez has looked awful.
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Rizzo Ks looking at a pitch that is basically in the same place as the Kinsler "ball" 2 last inning, but on the opposite side of the plate. Please, automate the strike zone.
Bryant pops out in foul territory about 10 feet from home plate.
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The Rizzo pitch wasn't close to a strike.
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Yeah, on replay it didn't look nearly as good as the Kinsler pitch.
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On the other hand, he called this a ball:
https://twitter.com/CubsUmp/status/633792567851778049
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Infield single for Iglesias.
Sanchez Ks trying to bunt.
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Anthony Gose homers. 5-2. Hammel is terrible tonight, hopefully this will get rained out.
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Need to take long at-bats from here on out.
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That was Gose's 8th homer in 983 career PAs.
Kinsler follows with a single. Bosio out to talk to Hammel.
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Hopefully this gets rained out and put Hammel in the showers quickly.
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Cabrera flies out to Soler. Cabrera is shaking off his hand after the AB.
Martinez singles. Hammel is throwing batting practice. This is the worst he's looked as a Cub.
Tyler Collins flies out to Fowler.
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Raining like hell here Rockford...
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Montero looked shocked that he was called out on that pitch.
Cubs go down weakly in the second. This really needs to get rained out.
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The guy behind the plate apparently thinks the strike zone is twice the width of the plate.
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There's likely to be a long delay starting soon.
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Maybe someone can explain the zone to Gerry Davis during the delay. I know he's only been an ump for about 30 years and it takes time to know the rules, but still.
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They're just hitting everything hard against Hammel. Even with the rain coming, they need to get him out of there.
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Hammel must be tipping his pitches or something, because the Tigers are absolutely right on everything. 2 more hits and a lineout to start the 3rd inning.
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He's gotten Sanchez out twice.
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Motte warming in the pen. I guess he's been demoted to mop-up relief? Or maybe Maddon is thinking about using him in a closer type role to keep the game at 5-2 through the inevitable rain delay, then taking his chances against the Tigers bullpen if the game resumes?
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Davis is giving Sanchez a much bigger zone than Hammel.
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Has anyone noticed that Zach Godley has started three games for Arizona, gone six innings each game, won all three, and has an ERA of 1.50?
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Russell with a hard hit grounder for a hit.
Fowler crushes a ball to center, but Gose gets there.
Russell moved to second on a wild pitch.
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Delay.
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Has anyone noticed that Zach Godley has started three games for Arizona, gone six innings each game, won all three, and has an ERA of 1.50?
Yes-----and Godley has been in AAA for almost two weeks.
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Cubs shooting for 10:30 restart.
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By fWAR, the Tigers have the fifth worst bullpen in baseball this year. By FIP, they are fourth worst. By xFIP, only the Twins are worse. The Cubs rank #5, #4, and #11 on those metrics. Pitching is clearly in the Cubs' favor the rest of the way.
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It was also in the Cubs' favor at the start of the game.
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Motte is really terrible. I wish they'd use him in mop-up situations only. This should've been Wood or Richard.
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If Maddon has one flaw, it's that he falls in love with formerly good relievers. I remember last year it took him forever to give up on Grant Balfour as closer. This year, he just loves Motte for some reason.
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Who else should be pitching?
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Geez, Motte has pitched 5 innings this month, been on a short hook for some time, and today pitched as a long man for part of the 4th inning. i would say Maddon is using him sparingly this month. Not a love affair.
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The one that Maddon has a man-crush on recently is Grimm. I hope he doesn't over use him.
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If Schwarber threw that well to second he'd still be behind the plate.
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SCHWARBER!! 6-5. That was CRUSHED.
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That sound, though...
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Bob Costas is awful. Much like when he had those weird comments about how horrible Strop was earlier this year, all he could talk about after the Schwarber homer was how awful the Tigers' fringe MLB pitcher was.
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That kid is special. Back in the game now. Only problem is now I have to stay up late to see if they come back.
Pirates and Giants win so we need to find a way to pull this one and keep pace.
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Schwarber's the best hitter on this team, all due respect to Rizzo.
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Yeah, a good inning for Schwarber.
A not-like-Matt Holiday throw kill at home top of inning and a two out, 3-run homer bottom of inning.
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Statcast: 106.6 mph exit velocity on the Schwarber homer. 426 feet.
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Another ridiculous strike call on Rizzo. The Tigers pitchers have really gotten a much bigger strike zone tonight.
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Grimm on for the 6th, and he embarrasses Cabrera.
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And Grimm also embarrasses Martinez. Grimm looks as nasty as Marmol in his prime tonight, but with command. This is unfair.
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Schwarber's homer:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/chc/video/v384851683/detchc-schwarber-hits-a-threerun-homer-to-right/?player_id=656941
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Collins also Ks. That was impressive.
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Bryant and Soler both swung through a bunch of hittable offspeed pitches from Hardy and K'd.
Montero double. Runner at second, 2 outs for Castro.
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Really poor route to a fly ball for Schwarber with 2 outs in the 7th. Iglesias double.
For some reason, Ausmus lets pitcher Blaine Hardy take his first career AB with 2 outs and a runner in scoring position in the 7th inning. Inning over. Thanks, Ausmus.
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Fowler doubles to lead off the bottom of the 7th. Again, thanks to Ausmus for not trying to add on in the top of the inning.
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Schwarber and Coghlan K after the Fowler leadoff double.
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They're going to lose by a run, aren't they?
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A couple of bums. Trade them for some middle relief.
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RIZZO! Tie game. Rizzo moves to second on the throw home. Bryant with a chance to knock in the go ahead run.
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Ausmus should have turned right to Albuquerque
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Or maybe not...
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As they go to commercials, noted curmudgeon Bob Costas focuses on the pitcher's failure rather than the hitter's success.
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Rizzo must have the best lefty vs lefty numbers since Bonds. It's crazy.
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Two bunt singles in a row for the Tigers to start the 8th.
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Bases loaded, no outs after a Cabrera walk.
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In the Cabrera AB, Strop didn't get at least one pitch that has been called a strike all night for the Tigers.
Sac fly for Martinez, 7-6 Tigers.
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IBB to Victor Martinez for some stupid reason. Strop hasn't been that sharp and Victor Martinez hasn't been good at all this year...but sure, give them a free base runner on past years' reputation.
Bloop single, it's 9-6. What an ugly inning.
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Kinsler and Iglesias both have four hits tonight. The last time the Tigers had two hitters with four hits in the same night was Trammell and Whitaker in 1988.
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Beaten with bunt hits.
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Gerry Davis is from St. Louis. I guess it makes sense that his strike zone has been embarrassing tonight.
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I'm sure that's the reason.
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You're probably not going to win many games where you give up 18 hits. Let's split tomorrow and hopefully take care of a bad Atlanta Braves team.
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Not our night. Move on.
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They finally got Kinsler out, sorta.
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Cabrera just made a huge diving play. Instead of Bryant up as the tying run with 1 out, he's now up as one run short of the tying run with 2 outs.
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Well that game sucked. Win tomorrow.
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Schwarber hit the tar out of that ball. Wow.
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Looks like Kinsler will never make another out. Good job by Lester to hold them scoreless. Let's take a lead.
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Norris the pitcher just hit a 420 foot, 2-run homer into the shrubbery in his first ML at-bat.
At least they're not getting embarrassed.
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So much for holding them scoreless. The Tigers pitcher never had a professional at bat. He never batted in the minors. He never batted in the majors.
Naturally, he hit a two run home run in his first at bat tonight against the Cubs.
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So much for Leater pitching well. Down 3-0 again as the pitcher hits a 2 run HR in his first major league plate appearance. Lefty on lefty too. Not looking good. I guess the good news is we're done with the Tigers after tonight.
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Did the Cubs insult the Tiger's mothers? They look like the 27 Yankees out there. Good thing this is only a 2 game series.
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I guess we might as well just walk Kinsler from now on. Looks like another bullpen game as Lester is really struggling.
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Well, at least Arrieta goes tomorrow.
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And ballgame. 7-0 Tigers
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How bout a pitch right between Kinslers shoulder blades
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Having Castro, Ross and the pitcher in a row sure gives the pitcher a nice inning off to settle in.
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Ross should be gone and Lester needs psychological help in not being able to throw to anyone else or to a base.
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Daniel Norris just hurt himself throwing a pitch. Looks like an oblique, maybe. Can't imagine they'll let him stay in.
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So if you turned off the game when it was 7-0, you might want to turn it back on. It's 7-3 now, bases loaded, 1 out, and Rizzo up.
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Our old pal Gorzelanny is struggling with his control. I hope Rizzo doesn't keep swinging at these terrible pitches.
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Rizzo infield pop. Terrible AB. He swung at a 1-1 pitch in the RH batter's box, which really turned the AB. Bryant did the same thing in the AB right before Rizzo, but was able to eventually work the walk.
The Cubs just get overanxious when they have chances with runners on.
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Brace for the worst cub fans.
The Billy Goat is outside.
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Geez, Cubs hacking at everything this inning. Soler just swung at an awful 2-1 pitch.
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Awful. You have to come away with something from that situation. But Bryant, Rizzo, and Soler were all too anxious.
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Davis leadoff homer. The last three games have been as poorly played as any this season. Hard to believe just three days ago they were the hottest team in baseball.
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Castro double, Coghlan triple to start the 6th. 8-4.
Montero walk. Cubs with another chance, hopefully they take advantage this time.
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Russell GIDP. 8-5, but Cubs are really failing tonight when they have a chance to really get back in it.
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Strange how the Cubs always do the one thing you least want to do in critical situations.
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Castro and Coghlan are now the Cubs' middle infield...so that should be interesting.
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Motte...ugh. After back-to-back hits to start the inning, Ausmus does Motte a favor and calls for a sac bunt.
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Did I just hear the ESPN announcers correctly? The Tigers are hitting .440 in this series?
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Sac fly Kinsler, and it's back to a 4 run deficit again.
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Base hit, 10-5
Motte is awful. He should never pitch in a game that the Cubs could still win.
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They've got about 35 hits in two games. Is that surprising?
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Coming into tonight, the league was hitting .361/.378/.667 against Motte over his last 11 appearances, and that has gone up tonight.
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10-6 on a Schwarber homer.
Motte has a 10.38 ERA in his last 12 appearances (including tonight). We're at the point where if the game is still in doubt, Maddon should go to anyone but Motte.
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Motte or Schlitter? And death is not an option.
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The Cubs keep piling up hits with nobody on, then when it comes time to score it's popup, double play, popup.
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Rizzo hits a double play ball, but Kinsler boots it. Two on, no outs for Soler. Yet another chance for the Cubs to really make this a game, let's see how they blow it this time.
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If you had GIDP in your pool.....
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Unbelievable, another GIDP. Ugly, ugly game. Lester, Motte, all the hitters with runners on base.
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Double play. This is pitiful baseball.
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Bases loaded, one out, 1st and 3rd, nobody out, 1st and 2nd, nobody out.
Those situations led to 1 run over the last three innings.
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Six runs with Rizzo and Soler 0-8.
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Castellanos with a double, 4 XBH tonight for him. Did the Cubs just not scout the Tigers prior to this series?
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This bullpen looks so much better when the starters are good enough to limit most of the important innings to Grimm, Strop, and Rondon.
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The Cubs are being exposed this series.
The bullpen and hitting with runners on has been very Cub-like.
12-6. 38 hits for the Tigers in two games. What a complete joke.
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Is Neil Ramirez dead? They really could use his re-animated corpse right about now.
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Now we see why they wanted more pitching (and not offense) at the deadline. Hopefully just one of those series. How is Detroit so bad with that lineup?
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If Russell, Motte and Schlitter never pitch again for the Cubs again I will be a happy man. You could throw Haren in as well.
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Is Neil Ramirez dead? They really could use his re-animated corpse right about now.
Neil Ramirez is on the DL. Although, he could probably throw lefthanded and get better results than Motte and Russell. He might even be able to kick the ball up there with his left foot and get better results.
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At this point not sure anyone the Cubs threw out there wouldn't get clobbered.
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Looking ahead to tomorrow: Arrieta pitching. Foltynewicz (with his 5.61 ERA) pitching for the Braves. The Braves are 2-17 in their last 19 road games.
The game is so hugely in favor of the Cubs that there's no possible way they'll win.
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Fowler with another big night--single, double, and homer. He's at .252/.348/.417 on the season now. Remember when people thought he was a problem?
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So lardbutt Cabrera who hasn't made a play in the field since the 2003 playoffs robs Schwarber of an RBI.
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As frustrating as a couple key ABs went, the Cubs have scored 15 runs the last two games. Offense not the problem ….
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Cabrera also made a diving play last night, I think. So he waited 12 years to make two plays against the Cubs.
Russell gives up another double. A six run game in the 9th is a good situation for him, though. Keep him in mop-up relief with Motte.
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Have the Tigers found some way to cheat? These two games seem almost impossibly bad.
Denorfia warming up in the pen.
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Bring in Ross before Russell or sign John Baker ...
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You'd never know the Tigers had a fire sale and dumped their GM recently.
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With 2 outs in the 9th, Maddon is going to Denorfia. I guess this is one of his attempts to loosen up the team.
53 mph changeup on the first pitch for a strike, grounder on the second pitch.
How about a 9 run inning to get Denorfia the win?
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44 total bases for Tigers.
A lot of total bases there.
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Bryant triples to lead off the 9th. Would've been nice to have that in the 5th when he had two runners on.
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Yeah, Bryant only had 4 hits and raised his slugging % by 18 points tonight.
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Tigers have 19 hits in consecutive games for the first time since 1935.
Cubs lose 15-8.
Hopefully Arrieta puts a stop to the losing streak tomorrow.
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Tigers had 19 extra base hits in 2 games.
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Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs
According to Espn Stats/Info last time Cubs gave up more than 40 hits in back to back games was June,1990. Gave up 41 to Mets.40 here vs Det
So in the last 25 years, this is arguably the worst two game pitching performance for the Cubs. Of all the bad teams during that time--1997, 1999-2000, 2006, 2010-2014--no pitching staff ever had a 2 day stretch this bad.
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The Cubs broadcast is blacked out here, so I am going to have to endure Chip Caray and Joe Simpson tonight.
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Two Cubs out on 4 pitches in the first.
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Down in order in the first. Ideally, the Cubs will put a pounding on the Braves tonight.
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The Cubs broadcast is blacked out here, so I am going to have to endure Chip Caray and Joe Simpson tonight.
Does this not work for you?
http://wiz1.net/channel32
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Peterson with a 2-out single off Arrieta.
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Simmons retired on a 6-4 FC to end the Braves' 2nd. No score.
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Leadoff walk to Rizzo to open the Cub 2nd.
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Don't forget that it's likely that Edwin Jackson will make an appearance or two in this series. That could be interesting.
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6-4 FC for Bryant.
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Montero K's. Two down.
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Foltynewicz is throwing nothing but straight fastballs. If he doesn't mix it up the second time through the order, the Schwarber-Rizzo-Bryant part of the lineup might be pretty fun to watch.
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Soler singles Bryant to second.
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Arrieta retired 6-3 to end the second. No score.
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I'm ready for Statcast data to show up more often in local broadcasts. I'd really like to know the exit velocity on that Soler single.
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Bourn K's.
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The Braves broadcast was just showing all the new video boards. For the first time, I just noticed the former Budweiser building now says "Bite Me" on the roof.
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Foltynewicz K's. Markakis retired 4-3 to end the Braves' 3rd.
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Leadoff single for Russell.
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This umpire's zone seems to be off by a few inches. He's calling a few inches outside the zone on the RH hitter's side, but it's hard to get a strike called on the other side of the plate.
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Single for Fowler. Rally time?
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Hits for Russell and Fowler, time for the big boys.
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Schwarber gets ahead 2-0, then fouls and swings at two pitches that should have been balls, before popping out.
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Schwarber pops out. One gone.
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Listening to other teams' announcers makes you appreciate the preparation Len does for his job. Just in this inning, Joe Simpson has said:
- Fowler is coming off a couple of disappointing years. He failed to notice that Fowler's .774 and .776 OPSes in 2013-14 were right in line with his career .783 OPS.
- Maddon went to the front office when the offense was struggling and told them they needed to get their second best hitter in the organization (Schwarber) onto the major league team. No mention of the Montero injury.
He did go off on Doug Eddings for his embarrassingly short fuse there, though. So he earns some points there.
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RIZZO! That was crushed.
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Cubs up 4-0. Excellent.
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Sloppy defense for Bryant.
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Maybin reaches on an E-5.
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Floodgates open. Thanks Kris.
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Ugh, Cubs in trouble because Bryant can't make the most routine of routine plays. The Cubs still really need to tighten up this infield defense.
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Freeman with an infield hit. Arrieta needs to bear down here.
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Arrieta's pitch count is starting to climb. He could use a DP.
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Incredibly well-timed DP in the Cubs' favor for a change.
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Nice 3-6-1. Good thing Pierzynski was running.
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Garcia K's. Huge DP there.
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Russell jacks one to left 5-0
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Russell homers. 5-0.
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Russell drills HR. 5-0. Soler's out earlier in the inning was hit very hard, he's had a couple of hard-hit balls.
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That last inning was a perfect example of why Arrieta should start the wild card playoff game if they make it that far. I have no confidence that Lester would've been able to work around that problem as effectively. There's no doubt Maybin would've stolen third before the DP if Lester was pitching. And Lester is not nearly as athletic as Arrieta is--as close as that DP was, there's no way Lester gets over and makes the stretch to complete the DP.
Of course, Arrieta is also just a better pitcher.
Foltynewicz may end up as a good reliever...but if tonight is any indication of what he usually throws, I don't think he's a major league starter. Fastball after fastball with an occasional inconsistent slider mixed in just won't work when he has to face good hitters 3-4 times in a game.
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Chip Caray just commented on the restaurant/bar in CF like he's never seen it before. How long has that been there now? A decade?
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Two on with one out in the 5th--ground ball single, out, and walk. Arrieta already at 84 pitches--he might only make it through six innings tonight.
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Now a walk to Bourn. Arrieta is struggling a bit. Two men on with one out in the 5th. He's already thrown 84 pitches.
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Foltynewicz batting for himself.
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Arrieta escapes again.
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Really bizarre that Atlanta has two guys on base with only one out in the 5th, and lets the struggling bad pitcher give away an out. Really weird.
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Chip and Joe can't pronounce Arrieta's name correctly. They're saying R-ietta instead of Air-ietta. It really makes them seem lazy. It's especially bad for the Braves announcers since they're moving to the suburb of Marietta in two years, which is pronounced exactly like Arrieta (with an "M" sound at the beginning).
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I'd like to hear an explanation for that myself, craig.
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Fredi Gonzalez is the greatest. He doesn't pinch hit for Foltynewicz, and the Cubs immediately follow with a walk and a triple.
Braves fans hate Fredi.
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Castro needs to sit permanently. Russell is a much better player when Castro is not in his shadow.
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Man, that 2-0 pitch to Soler on the IBB was almost in the zone. If he'd been ready to swing, he might have taken a swing.
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Arrieta is unlikely to go beyond the 6th.
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Bryant left the game. He fouled a ball off his foot last night, and then did it again tonight. Probably just precautionary with a 7 run lead.
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I'd like to hear an explanation for that myself, craig.
I've always thought it's kind of dumb to let a pitcher hit in a situation where you might take him out the next inning anyway if he gets into any trouble. Just weird.
Fredi Gonzalez had already gotten kicked out, though, so who knows who was doing the decision-making there.
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Smooth play by Russell to initiate a 6-4 FC to end the Braves' 6th.
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No reason to have Arrieta go any further in this one.
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The Braves announcers just pointed out that Steve Avery is sitting in the front row tonight.
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And Fred McGriff is sitting right behind Avery.
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Would really like to see Wood go the last three here if he pitches well.
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That was one strange throw by Russell on that DP attempt.
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Jonny Gomes Ks. I wonder if he regrets taking the Braves offer over the Cubs yet.
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Russell 's too timid when Castro's in there. Russell was playing with all the confidence in the world until Castro came in. It's like Russell feels guilty for bumping him.
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Carrie Muskat @CarrieMuskat 9m9 minutes ago
Arrieta is 1st #Cubs pitcher w/12 straight quality starts since Maddux had a 14-game stretch, June 25-Aug. 31, 1992.
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Bases loaded, 1 out in the 8th. The non-Grimm, Strop, Rondon part of the bullpen is bad.
Grimm is coming in to shut this down.
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Very good play by Castro to get a force out.
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Nice win.
Let's win three more against the Braves. I'm tired of Braves fans acting like the Cubs are so much worse than the Braves.
Arrieta now leads MLB in wins. Since Cy Young voters still care about wins, he's about two bad Greinke starts away from being the Cy Young favorite.
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Hunter has been effective for a number of outings now. Given up some hard-hit balls sometimes, so maybe he's been kinda lucky. But, I think he may be settling in, and I think he's got a chance to end up being useful.
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Shelby Miller tomorrow.
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What is it with Bryant coming out of games early? This was about the 4th time this has happened, this time to get "a breather". I can't think of any other healthy, quality player who keeps being removed early from games for non strategic reasons.
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/144378868/kris-bryant-exits-early-to-get-a-breather
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What is it with Bryant coming out of games early? This was about the 4th time this has happened, this time to get "a breather". I can't think of any other healthy, quality player who keeps being removed early from games for non strategic reasons.
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/144378868/kris-bryant-exits-early-to-get-a-breather
Maddon has repeatedly said that he wants to give players more rest and time off, especially deep into the season, in order for them to be fresher toward the end. Seems like he has not given Bryant many (any?) days off altogether, so maybe he looks for opportunities to at least get him out of games early?
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Pat and Ron repeatedly observed/commented on Bryant looking uncomfortable and seeming to have something wrong with a leg, and actually speculated on him coming out of the game an inning or two before he actually did come out. Said he looked uncomfortable, bending/stretching/flexing/rubbing. In second, after Rizzo walked, Bryant grounded into a force out. On a Soler single, they noted that Bryant usually runs very hard and aggressively to put himself into position to take the extra base, but that's when they first observed that he did not run with his usual speed or aggressiveness in that case, that something seemed different. Wondered if he'd maybe done something while running hard to avoid DP or something.
Hopefully nothing significant.
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I think I mentioned this during the game...Bryant fouled a ball off his foot two nights ago, then fouled a ball off the same foot an inning or two before he came out last night. He noticeably winced when he did it last night even though he had some kind of protective cover on his foot. He probably could've stayed in, but I'm sure they decided it was a good idea to give him a few innings off after it got to be a blowout.
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Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 5h5 hours ago
From ELIAS, Jake Arrieta's MLB ranks since June 21: Wins (9), 1st; Opp. batting average (.167), 1st; HR pct. (0.3), 1st; ERA (1.26), 2nd.
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 5h5 hours ago
All 15 balls in play vs. Arrieta were on the ground. ELIAS: Arrieta 1st P pitcher in 10 years to go at least 6 innings/not allow a fly ball.
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http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/144378868/kris-bryant-exits-early-to-get-a-breather
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Is Arrieta headed towards a Cy Young?
The thought never really entered my mind until last night.
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br called that at the beginning of the season. If Arrieta keeps pitching like he has lately, looks like he could be right.
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Greinke will need to slow down a bit.
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He's probably 2nd or 3rd right now. For whatever reason, Cy Young voters tend to value wins, and he's leading the league in those. Greinke would need to have some struggles down the stretch, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
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It is meaningless to me one way or the other. I just hope that Arrieta can continue to provide very high quality outings.
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When two pitchers have similar other numbers, the guy with the most wins almost always wins. Right now, Greinke's a cut above the rest, with DeGrom and then Arrieta & Kershaw behind.
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f-WAR
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=nl&qual=y&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=19,d
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Fangraphs has Kershaw as the best starter in the NL (5.7 fWAR), followed by Scherzer, Greinke, Arrieta, and deGrom in that order (with fWARs ranging from 4.3 - 4.9).
Really, I think you could come up with a realistic scenario where any of those guys could win (well, maybe not Scherzer). If Arrieta "wins" 20 (or at least leads the league in wins) for a playoff team and Greinke/deGrom finish with ERAs over 2.00, Arrieta will probably win the Cy Young.
I mentioned this last night--right now the Cubs have legitimate candidates for MVP (Rizzo), Cy Young (Arrieta), ROY (Bryant; maybe Schwarber), and Manager of the Year. The week in November when they hand out awards could be really interesting for the Cubs this year.
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The difference between 4.3 and 4.9 is within the error margin for WAR. fWAR is more a forward looking stat, while rWAR would be more better for who has had the better season.
rWAR
Greinke 7
deGrom 5.2
Kershaw 5
Arrieta 5
Scherzer 4.8
deGrom-Scherzer is a basic tie.
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Usual lineup including Bryant.
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Cubs immediately in trouble--first and third, no outs after 3 pitches.
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1-0 on a botched FC. First and second, still no outs.
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Hendricks got out of the first without giving up anything else, and Coghlan homers with 2 outs in the bottom of the inning. 1-1 game.
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Who knew Chris Coghlan would turn into a bad ass?
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Mrs. Coghlan.
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Hard to quantify what Coghlan has meant to this lineup.
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Chris, where have you been since 2009?
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Hendricks gets the second out in the 3rd inning on his 50th pitch of the game. The bullpen is going to be used a lot again today.
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Bryant with a stupid throw to try to get a runner going to second instead of just taking an out at first base. Called out, but they're reviewing it and it'll almost certainly be overturned.
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And now 2 runs score with two outs. So more sloppy defense leads to 2 runs.
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Walk to Maybin.
Not only has Bryant's stupid throw cost the Cubs two runs, but it's also cost Hendricks about 10 extra pitches so far. He wasn't going to get very deep in this one anyway...but now it's starting to look like 6 innings will be a stretch.
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You can see the book on Coghlan with the Simmons routine grounder to end the 5th.
Simmons is busting it down the line and turned it into bang-bang play. Coghlan is slow and conservative on routine plays and guessing that Braves advance scouts very aware of this. That cost Cubs an out few games ago. Not knocking the guy, but very real limitations with him at 2B.
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Bryant poor decision on throw not as bad as Braves misplay on DP ball.
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Runner at first and third with no outs after the error, 3-2 game.
Russell Ks. Let's not blow this.
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Fowler walks. Loaded for Schwarber.
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I read on Twitter that Motte is warming up in the pen. Don't they have anyone else? Hunter maybe?
Richard warming up too now. He's thrown a lot of innings lately, but I'd feel better with him coming in over Motte.
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First pitch GIDP by Schwarber. Just awful.
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But hardly shocking.
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Like you said the other day...the Cubs just have a way of doing the absolute worst thing they can do far too often.
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Except when they don't.
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Well, they're still in the game. Don't know how many more shots they'll get against Miller.
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Stunned.
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How many times can we get screwed by a player throwing their glove at the ball in a week?
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It was going well until yet another GIDP.
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A perfect example of why we should not place so much emphasis on a pitcher's won/lost record. If the Cubs hold this 4-3 lead, Jason Motte will go to 8-1.
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Javy Baez is watching all these double plays and saying, "you still worried about my strike outs?"
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The Cubs have grounded into the fewest double plays in the majors, despite being league average (14th) in getting runners on base.
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Sorry for the actual statistics. Please continue your grumbling.
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;D
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That's due to all the K's, but point taken.
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According to Pat and Ron, Bryant just fouled a ball off his foot but it was called a fair ball. It's absurd that play is not reviewable.
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Easy 8th for Strop.
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He did foul it off his foot. He reacted immediately.
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That's due to all the K's, but point taken.
Perhaps. So I looked at all the teams and did some quick math. I added up all the times a team got a single, HBP or BB and subtracted out both SB and CS. This estimates the number of times a team had a runner on 1st, which I called ROF. It obviously doesn't include reaching on an error, but it's close enough for government work. I don't have data for how often a runner was on 1st with <2 outs, so I just had to base my ratios on this.
First I simply looked at GIDP/ROF. Cubs were 30th in GIDP/ROF.
Then, I made the assumption that every team K's at the same ratio with a ROF as without. This may be faulty, but it was applied equally. This was an attempt to estimate how often a team GIDP on BIP with a runner on first. So I looked at GIDP/[ROF*(1-K%)]
The Cubs were 27th in this category. So, the K's do play a small percentage. If you estimate GIDP on BIP, the Cubs aren't the best in the league at avoiding it, they're 4th.
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The shift comes in mighty handy there.
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Cubs Win, Cubs win, Cubs win!
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Cubs don't capitalize or maximize all their opportunities. But they simply get more opportunities, and convert on enough of them. Nice game.
Hendricks goes 5, not easy, but without Bryant's defense perhaps Hendricks might have gotten through 5 with only 1 run, which wouldn't have been bad. But then the bullpen with four shutout innings.
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Motte with a clean 1-2-3. Grimm with a good inning,1-2-3. (Although Fowler made a great catch on a hard-hit ball, and Soler hit a deeply-hit ball) Strop with a clean 1-2-3 inning.
Rondon had a nervous inning, but guy got a hit, that can happen, and then another guy really patient for a walk. Rondon made good pitcher, but just missed on a pitch that could easily have been called a strike three, and threw a different pitch that guys would often chase. Very good save by Rondon.
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It isn't just K's. The Cubs have the third lowest GB% as a team.
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A perfect example of why we should not place so much emphasis on a pitcher's won/lost record. If the Cubs hold this 4-3 lead, Jason Motte will go to 8-1.
together with Soriano they're 10-1 !
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Add in Grimm Rondon and Strop's W's and it's a good reflection of how often the Cubs are winning late.
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Motte is now 8-1.
All he does is find ways to win.
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Maybe he was just lucky. But Motte gave us a very nice stretch as closer, right at the time when Rondon seemed to be struggling and the team needed him. After the Cubs win the world series, we may have reason to look back and say that month with Motte closing effectively was a huge boost. :)
More seriously, the bullpen is going to need to cover a LOT of innings over the next six weeks, and then the month of October on our World Series playoff run. If Motte got squared away and got his location/confidence/effectiveness/luck back, that would help a lot. If you've got seven relievers you're willing to use, and even Russell as 8th guy is often pretty OK, you can afford to go to your pen often.
The 5-inning kind of starts from Hendricks and Hammell and Haren, lets plan on getting five innings from those guys, and then turning it over to the bullpen as the norm, not the exception.
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Yeah, the final pitch to Freeman was a really good pitch--sinker with some life on outer third of plate. Freeman did exactly what he's supposed to do (from Rondon's point of view)--pull it over for routine ground ball into the shift.
Good effort from bullpen today. Still, unless Hunter can get into a better groove (and think he's capable), seems like Cubs a reliever short. Wonder if Edwards could be that guy in September?
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Can't see Maddon using Edwards in any kind of serious situation with his control issues.
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Cubs Win, Cubs win, Cubs win!
Truly stunning given the posts on this board. I seriously thought they lost the game until I read that post. I actually thought they had lost like 6-1.
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Can't see Maddon using Edwards in any kind of serious situation with his control issues.
Think Maddon might be intrigued by a guy who misses bats. Once you get past the top 3 or 4 pen guys, not a lot of overpowering stuff. Think Edwards will get a real look in September. Might be a short look if he doesn't perform but think Maddon will want to see if Edwards can be a Ramirez-type for him. Maybe 2015 is too early for that but could be a factor.
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Misses bats but has walked 7/9 between AA and AAA. Maddon's atypical enough to try it but that's gotta be one short leash.
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My guess is that Edwards will be added so he can work with Bosio. Perhaps a few tweaks will lead to far fewer walks.
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Depending upon what his injury is, there seems little reason not to bring up Edwards in September.
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Depending upon what his injury is, there seems little reason not to bring up Edwards in September.
He had a blister on one of his fingers on his right hand. He should be back in action soon.
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Nine-minute excerpt from Maddon's post-game presser.
http://m.mlb.com/chc/video/topic/29526310/v394122283/atlchc-maddon-discusses-win-over-the-braves/?c_id=chc
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Edwards wife/girlfriend also had a baby and he went for the delivery yesterday. I wonder if that factored into the decision to put him on the DL as well.
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I wonder if Soriano is working on the side and can be at least serviceable down the stretch? At least he's fresh ….
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After the Cubs get a run in the bottom of the first, Haren gives up a double to Pierzynski and homer to Swisher. 2-1 Braves, Haren is not good.
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He had been plenty good as a Marlin. Homers are killing him as Cub.
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Yeah...who would've ever predicted that Haren might have big home run problems once he moved out of one of the worst parks for hitting home runs in baseball?
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Or maybe his ERA was suppressed with the Marlins and this is who he is?
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Five of Haren's six homers allowed as a Cub coming in were allowed on the road.
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Rizzo homers again to give the Cubs a 3-2 lead.
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Probably need to get Richard ready. Haren is getting hit hard.
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Haren escapes a two on no outs start to the inning. Travis Wood was warming up in the pen. Hopefully Haren can get through one more inning. I don't let him face AJ Pierzynski again.
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Maddon has the quick hook with runners at first and third and one out in the fifth.
These starters should be pretty well rested down the stretch after coming out early in seemingly every game.
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1st and 3rd, one out and Haren gets pulled for Wood. The right move with the two lefties coming up. I wonder if the Cubs should just let Richard start the rest of the way. Haren just doesn't have much left obviously. His 4 to 5 innings starts are bullpen killers. Hopefully Wood can limit the damage here.
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Should've left Haren in.
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Well that really sucks. 7 runs to a really bad hitting Atlanta team in less than 5 innings. Awful.
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Well that couldn't have backfired any worse.
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Too of the lineup. Let's hope we get a couple on for Rizzo here. Swisher had a .190 batting average coming into the game and of course he then goes out and hits 2 HRs.
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2-run double for Bryant.
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Montero doubles in Bryant. Within a run now.
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Big double by Montero and we're only down 1. Schwarber and Rizzo also hit the ball hard in their outs. Would be nice if Soler could get one more hit to tie it.
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Man, Fredi Gonzalez is a terrible manager. Probably shouldn't have let Perez face Bryant after a hit, walk, and two deep fly balls. He definitely shouldn't have left Perez in for Montero.
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Wood staying in and due to leadoff next inning. Need a shutdown inning.
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Haren and Hendricks throwing slop up there. Hopefully Hammel rights the ship soon.
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Never seen a team whose catchers throw so many balls into the outfield.
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Hunter doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.
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Russell either homered or doubled. We're gonna get a replay and probably get screwed.
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Moron in the stands had to reach out and over.
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That looks like it would have been over but the fan obviously reached. It should stand as there is no evidence the ball would not have gone out and the call was a HR. We'll see.
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Wow, maybe it is their year.
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Big inning here. Made up the 4 run deficit but now they have to face their two toughest hitters and Swisher is lurking. I assume Richard will be coming in.
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Russell looking so much better at the plate lately.
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It might be just my imagination, but it feels like in addition to calls in the Cubs' favor that are upheld, also a lot of calls that go against the Cubs on the field are overturned in their favor.
It makes me wonder if in pre-replay seasons the umpires had unconsciously gone against the Cubs and the calls couldn't be reviewed.
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Edwin Jackson coming in against Bryant.
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Edwin Jackson is in to pitch for the Braves in the bottom of the seventh.
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Bryant lines out to 3rd.
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Strop evades trouble in the 8th; let's put this game away in the bottom half.
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Jackson still in.
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Montero into the basket!
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Jackson finally gives up a homer that helps the Cubs. 8-7.
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Montero!
Soler!
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Soler into the basket!
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That's, what, 10 homers in the basket this week?
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Edwin Jackson! Might be the most important game Edwin Jackson helped us win since he signed with the Cubs. Since we are still paying him a lot of money, he owes us.
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Did they move the basket down a few feet, or make the wall slightly taller? I wish they would put the basket at the very top of the wall so that these balls that would be caught, if there were no basket, wouldn't be home runs. I mean, I'll take them today when the Cubs are hitting them, but that's not going to go our way every day.
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Pirates beat the Giants. Need to win to keep up with them.
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Cubs Win.
Great win against a bad team.
Down 7-3 and win 9-7. Pirates beat the Giants.
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That's the kind of save I like to see from Rondon. Absolutely dominant--a K and two week grounders (and one of the grounders broke Freeman's bat).
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70 wins. Let's sweep them tomorrow and get to 20 over for the first time all year. Go Padres!
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Sorry, Edwin. But we needed this game!
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I still can't believe Fredi Gonzalez's slow hook. That was the turning point in the game when he just hung Perez out to dry in the 5th inning.
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Did they move the basket down a few feet, or make the wall slightly taller? I wish they would put the basket at the very top of the wall so that these balls that would be caught, if there were no basket, wouldn't be home runs. I mean, I'll take them today when the Cubs are hitting them, but that's not going to go our way every day.
Len and JD think the bleacher renovation may be why fans are now able to reach over the basket. That has to be it. It is now a lot easier to reach balls resting at the bottom of the basket.
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Not sure what this is about but Adam Eaton was unable to catch the ball because it was uncatchable.
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wow, fun win. 7-3 when I go away, and come back to see the score and it's a win! All this scoring is pretty crazy. Having a 5-game lead is pretty crazy, too.
Another game where you get through the 5th inning, and then it's almost clean finish by the bullpen after that.
Wow wow wow.
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Two games left on the homestand. We really need Hammel and Lester to have good starts.
Then the 6 game road trip. I've had this road trip circled since about May. I wondered where we would be in the standings. Looks like we'll face some lefties on this trip including Bumgardner, Kershaw, and Alex Wood. That Bumgardner va. Haren matchup doesn't look very good.
I know at this point the Cubs are waiting until September to bring up Baez, but couldn't Herrera pull a hammy so that Baez could come up for this trip? He probably would struggle against those lefties but we know Castro will too. At least Baez would have a chance to hit one out and be a threat at the plate.
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I dunno, I almost wonder if we're better off with Haren vs Kershaw. If it's a likely loss anyway, may as well save the good bullets for other days.
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Well. Haren is now assured of a no hitter. Thanks, tico and PR
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Isn't where the Giants play anti-HR? Maybe Haren won't stink there.
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70 wins. Let's sweep them tomorrow and get to 20 over for the first time all year. Go Padres!
If the Cubs lose the next 41 games, does JBN win the "guess the Cubs wins" contest?
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I think I should win regardless even if I'm 50 games off.
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If you are 50 games off, I don't much care who wins the contest. But how are the Cubs going to win 120 games?
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That could be a little issue.
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Fowler jumps on the first pitch he sees for a homer. 1-0.
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Correction--it was the second pitch Fowler saw.
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Looks like a fan just got hit by a Schwarber foul ball. MLB really is going to wait until someone is killed before they tell teams to extend the screens past the dugout, aren't they?
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After two outs, Rizzo walks and Bryant homers. 3-0 Cubs.
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Geez. How does anybody hit that pitch out to the opposite field?
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Crushed it to RF.
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We're not too bad anymore.
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The Braves sideline reporter just said Schwarber's foul ball rocket made direct contact with a woman's head.
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This is fun!
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What a diving play by Coghlan on Markakis.
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Bryant HBP, and Maddon didn't look too amused. Joe Simpson was just lamenting the fact that there isn't enough headhunting in today's game last inning, and he dismissively said "he has an elbow guard, he'll be okay" with joy in his voice after Bryant got hit.
Montero homers, so take that Joe. Enjoy your losing team.
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In Joe Simpson's defense, Bryant didn't jump out of the way too much; he twisted back towards the catcher rather than away from the plate.
And now another base runner. Save some of this for tomorrow!
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I think they look so much better since Castro got benched.
Offense and defense.
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Now Hammel needs to settle in and eat at least 4 more innings.
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Fowler up to .782 OPS.
Montero .772
Bryant .832.
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Fowler is pretty clearly a qualifying-offer guy, now, which is awesome.
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Are these guys really this good? A win today and they will be 20 games over .500 with a lineup consisting of four rookies, none over 23 years old. They are on a pace to win 94, I believe.
Bryant is Bryant, and everyone has expected him to be a genuine star. Schwarber (a year younger than Bryant, with less pro baseball experience) has an OPS of .954 before today's game and 11 HR including today in 155 PA, and Russell (before today) has an .820 OPS in the last 28 days after making some adjustments in his swing (93 PA). Soler is a work in progress, but has a pretty high ceiling at the age of 23. My goodness.
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Wish Baez could be a part of it but I have a feeling he's not in the future plans.
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I don't see why Baez would not be in their plans. He seems like a fine defensive second baseman, a position of need for the Cubs. He should be able to hit well enough to be an asset.
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All indications were that Baez was the central piece to any trade discussions going on with San Diego prior to the deadline. I think the Cubs like Baez, but I also think they know his weaknesses are a red flag and that the team is already filled with way too many K's.
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Baskets? We don't need no stinking baskets!
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Yep, we need baskets.
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Bryant's second homer of the day fell into the basket in center for those who aren't watching. That was a routine flyout that carried probably an extra 50 feet. Part of that is Bryant's strength and lift, part is the way the ball is carrying at Wrigley like it hasn't in a decade.
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Hammel hits in the 6th at 94 pitches and K's after a 10-pitch ab.
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Sensible move to get 1 more inning out of Hammel.
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Hammel pulled. Not sure I understand that.
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Hammel pulled. Not sure I understand that.
Hammel had 104 pitches. Maddon wants to keep everyone fresh toward the end of the season (and beyond?).
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I guess that makes sense. Originally I thought that Hammel was pulled to start the 7th.
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Motte pitching in a 9-3 lead in the 8th, br!
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Arodys Vizcaino in. You might remember him.
He has an 0.54 ERA and 0.96 WHIP in 17 innings.
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That was a perfect situation for Motte. Save everyone else for closer games.
I hope Maddon either sticks with Motte or goes to Russell in the 9th. Give the big three and Hunter the day off.
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Vizcaino makes Bryant look bad on three pitches.
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Vizcaino throwing 98 w/ 89 mph slider.
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It's been a long time since the Cubs could humiliate the Braves so handily. Not since 1989?
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Let's hope Lester can bounce back and that the offense can do damage against Kluber. It would be nice to go out west on a 5 game winning streak. I'm sure it would make the flight a little better.
Dodgers got swept by Houston. Maybe we'll catch them at the right time.
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Apparently Chip thinks the Cubs have some older players...
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We hoping for SF or Pitt tonight?
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Rooting against the Giants tonight, though I obviously won't be too upset if the Pirates lose instead. If the Giants lose and the Cubs can win tomorrow, that's a 6.5 lead on the second wildcard going into SF. As long as they don't get swept in SF, they can get out of there up at least 5.5 games.
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https://youtu.be/Ljxw3ZYz5yA
Does Chip think it's 1992?
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In the event that the Giants and Cardinals both lose tonight, the Cubs would be closer to catching the Cardinals than the Giants would be to catching the Cubs.
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The Cardinals are up 8-1 in the 7th.
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Love Kris Bryant. What a stud.
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Kluber doober may strike out a lot of guys, but I bet his pitch count doesn't get him past six tomorrow.
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Well there's the kiss of death if I ever saw it.
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https://youtu.be/Ljxw3ZYz5yA
Does Chip think it's 1992?
To be fair to Chip, there is one active top-level baseball player who was alive in 1968: Masa Yamamoto of the Chunichi Dragons, who has just turned 50 and is looking to break Jamie Moyer's record for being the oldest winning pitcher in a game:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masahiro_Yamamoto_(baseball)
A week before turning 50, he had to come out in the second inning with a minor injury; the team wasn't taking any chances. If he wins his next start, he'll have the record.
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No sugar coating from Joe after fan struck by Schwarber foul:
Maddon's best solution to the issue was for fans to "pay attention" during at-bats. He passed down the same thing he said he tells his family when they attend games.
"I hate to say it," Maddon said. "But those are wonderful seats. You're probably paying a lot of money for them. You're probably digging the fact that you're right there. I watch and I see people turning their back to the field when the action is going. You just can't do it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masahiro_Yamamoto_(baseball)
Wouldn't it be nice if we knew how old Satchel Paige REALLY was?
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Don't think I can remember a 2:05 (est) start at Wrigley...
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Kluber has some really nice run on his fastball today.... Inside to lefties, then backs up over the inside corner. Only had to throw his curveball once that inning (ump missed the strike).
Wind howling to right/right center if anyone can make contact.
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5-4-3 to end the Indians half of the 2nd. Santana the games only base runner after he got plunked 0-2.
Lester has thrown 16 pitches through two innings.
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If the purpose of having the pitcher bat eighth is to have more potential baserunners ahead of the run producers, then it would seem that Rizzo and Bryant should be hitting higher than fourth and fifth.
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Kluber getting a healthy outside corner so far.
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Lastella swings at ball four to continue the strikeout parade.
Kluber at 33 pitches through two.
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Sands is the second indian to create an out on the first pitch to start the third. Indians look like they've got a plane to catch.
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Rizzo is going to be a hero here for a long time.
Drops Kluber pop up on the bunt to turn two.
Five pitches that inning. Twenty-one through three innings. Sheesh.
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Castro didn't get the memo about pitch count . One pitch, one out!
Here comes Ross and Lester!
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Rizzo just made a great defensive play.
With 1 out and a runner on 1st, Kluber popped up a bunt attempt down the 1st base line. Rizzo couldn't get to it to make the catch, but slid to position his body right on the line (between the ball and the foul line) to position himself in such a way that the ball couldn't spin foul after hitting the ground.
The ball spun right into his leg, and he picked it up and threw it to Castro , who then flipped to La Stella for an easy 3-6-4 DP to end the inning.
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Well, Ross just homered to left, but it will be overturned on replay...it was clearly foul...
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Ross Homer!!!!!
(Here comes the replay though and it's foul. Way foul.)
Oops.
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Don't know how an umpire misses a call that badly.
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Well, if you don't have a good angle, or you lose the ball, and you have to make a call...
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If the purpose of having the pitcher bat eighth is to have more potential baserunners ahead of the run producers, then it would seem that Rizzo and Bryant should be hitting higher than fourth and fifth.
Lester is hitting (if that's the right term) ninth today.
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Lester had a great at bat... Ten or eleven pitches before lining just short of the track.
He doesn't look like an .022 hitter.
Kluber at fifty pitches through three despite not allowing a base runner.
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Wow, a really good and fortunate DP for Lester. La Stella and Castro keep the Cubs in the game for now.
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After a walk and single through the infield, Cubs turn a nifty 4-6-3 DP on Santana to escape the fourth. Good positioning by someone to have LaStella right up the middle.
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Really super play by Castro on the turn.
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On the other hand, Kluber's day is going about as one would expect.
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Any team ever been no-hit twice in a month?
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Fowler and Schwarber K.... Kluber is nasty.
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.... And the zone is huge. 1-0 pitch to Coghlan was way outside. Yikes.
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K'd the side. 20 mph wind wasted by both teams!
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Kluber having a 3.5 ERA is hilarious.
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It's weird Chris.... Kluber's WHIP is better this year, BA of opponesnt's lower....
His stuff is too good. Command has been there today too.
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Need Bryant to put one up in the air to right...
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Sheer domination.
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... Instead he gets abused on a fastball near his hands. Yowzer.
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KLUBER PERFECT AFTER FIVE
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Kluber today, Bumgarner and Kershaw Thursday and Friday.
What fun!
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The Cubs beat up on everyone except the AL (and maybe the Marlins). Are we done with them yet?
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Even with the replay delay on the Ross foul homer, there's a shot this game could be played in less than two hours.
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Lester's been excellent too. Can't afford to allow a run today.
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This is what I worry about against elite pitchers in any playoff setting. The lineup is susceptible to being dominated by great stuff.
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OMG, Ross breaks everything up. lol
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Ross breaks it up.
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Bunting is Lester's one talent besides pitching.
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Dexter pops up... To the 7th!
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This is not a team built to go deep into the playoffs this season. Doesn't mean it can't happen, but young hitters will always be susceptible to front line, experienced starters in the playoffs. Not really anything to be surprised at or worried about.
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Lester at 65 pitches through 6, Kluber at 83. Maybe we'll have a shot in the 9th if we can take some pitches the next two innings. May need a CG from Lester
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1-out hit. Now Lester's inability to hold a runner becomes a major problem.
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Fourth double plays. Wow. Heh heh, we just needed Castro and LaStella in for their defense! :)
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463!
Lester is an Ace until people get in base.... Then it's a real high effort experience.
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Coghlan doubles. He is the professional LHH this team needs. He has been invaluable.
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Schwarber's three K's today give him 46 in 137 at-bats, 34%.
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Rizzo hits a towering flyball deep in the corner in right and it falls for a triple. 1-0
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They must've been playing him way into right-center.
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Bryant taps back to Kluber. At least he put it in play.
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La Stella grounds out.
104 pitches for Kluber.
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Leadoff single. Pinch runner. Have to think Francona runs now.
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They bunt him to second.
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First-pitch grounder to short. Two gone.
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Why would Francona give up an out when you can steal anytime you want against Lester?
Another grounder to Castro ends the 8th.
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Castro lines a single to start the 8th.
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I guess Ross swings away and Lester sacrifices in this spot.
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Uh oh, Fowler just hit in the hand with a pitch.
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Fowler just got hit right in the hand and that does not look good.
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Cubs really can't afford to lose Fowler. He's been arguably the biggest reason for this recent run.
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Fowler stays in.
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Schwarber K's for the 4th time though not against Kluber.
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Lester hits Rayburn to start the 9th.
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Kipnis K's.
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Infield single. Two on.
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Really bad timing for that ball that was hit about 40 feet. Any other pitcher turns that into an out, but Lester was scared to field it.
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Fans Brantley on 94 over the outer half.
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Tie game.
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Lester's mental issues hurt yet again.
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That sucks.
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Schwarber with easily his worst game in the major leagues (likely in pro ball). Four Ks and an error allowing the potential lead run to reach 3B. Turns out he's human after all.
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HBP and inability to field that ball cost Lester the win. Hopefully Rondon can hold it here and the Cubs can win it in the bottom of the inning.
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Lester needs to do f'ing PFP's all winter...
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Terrific effort today by Lester. I thought someone needed to say that.
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This umpire's strike zone has been really inconsistent on the outside corner.
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Cubs win!
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BRYANT!!!!! CUBS WIN!
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OMG!
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Bryant wins it for us! 21 games over!
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The kid knows when to go for the jugular.
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That was a big win.
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The Cubs are now 6.5 games ahead of the Giants and only 6 games behind the Cardinals.
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If the Cubs split the remainder of the games they had on the schedule including today, the Giants would have to go 26-12 the rest of the way to beat them.
After today's game, to finish under .500 (something that looked possible after the Hamels no-hitter), the Cubs would have to go 8-31.
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JD said after the game that he'd be satisfied with one win in each city on the upcoming west coast trip. That's ridiculous.
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Gamecast just doesn't provide the same experience as watching live broadcast, thanks WGN for taking it off the national feed! Bastards!
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Terrific pitching outing by Lester and Kluber, with the wind howling out all game. Surprising it took that long for something to get up in the air and out.
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Gamecast just doesn't provide the same experience as watching live broadcast, thanks WGN for taking it off the national feed! Bastards!
You can watch online, you know.
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The WGN feed on Extra Innings is great...they don't show commercials between innings, so you don't see the same damn commercials 30 times a game like you used to...now it stays in the ballpark (like the feed you would see on the TVs around Wrigley)...
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Updated Cubs playoff odds from Fangraphs: 4.8% chance of taking the division; only a 4.6% chance of missing out on the playoffs all together.
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You can watch online, you know.
Chris you're right but I'm paying for DISH and can't swing extra moola for additional services...tough noogies
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Terrific effort today by Lester. I thought someone needed to say that.
Not just a terrific effort, but a terrific game.
Yeah, it's frustrating that he can't really field his position and that he is averse to throwing to 1B to keep runners close. But he's so good that neither of those flaws seem to get in the way very often. And he had three good ABs today as well. He's a really, really good pitcher and I'm very grateful the Cubs have him.
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Rondon just one batter, but it's sure nice to have a guy who almost always does a good job and didn't let anything else in. He's really been good.
That was one very fine Rule 5 selection, that's for sure.
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Gamecast just doesn't provide the same experience as watching live broadcast, thanks WGN for taking it off the national feed! Bastards!
+1
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AzSteve, check your Inbox here.
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Well said re Lester, Ron.
And I do fervently hope he can overcome his mental block on throwing to bases.
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Kris F'n Bryant
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So I was at a stoplight coming home when Bryant's homer landed...I was clapping and shouting. The lady next to me got away from really fast when the light turned green.
Who cares what she thought. Cubs win!
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So I was at a stoplight coming home when Bryant's homer landed...I was clapping and shouting. The lady next to me got away from really fast when the light turned green.
Who cares what she thought. Cubs win!
Isn't the normal response from women to get away from you as fast as they can?
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Those playoff percentages seems pretty safe now. Cubs 21 over, Giants 8, Dodgers 11.
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Chris check your bbf inbox
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Pretty amazing within the span of a month to have three winning streaks of 5 games, 6 games, and 8 games.
Arrieta versus Cain tomorrow certainly offers at least an opportunity to perhaps expand this streak to six. And Peavy on Wednesday isn't exactly unbeatable either.
This is so weird.
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I got it Steve. Thanks.
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Arrieta versus Cain tomorrow certainly offers at least an opportunity to perhaps expand this streak to six. And Peavy on Wednesday isn't exactly unbeatable either.
Bumgarner and Kershaw on back-to-back days afterwards though.
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Awesome win and a nice way to close out the long Chicago stay. Some tough games ahead. I'm excited to see what this team will do over the next 39 games.
Win with Arrieta tomorrow and then I'll be relaxed the rest of the series. Lose that one and a sweep comes into play for the Giants as they have the pirching advantage the next two games.
Any word on Fowler? That hit by pitch in his hand didn't look good. Hopefully he's ok. Needless to say, we can't afford to lose Fowler. We have absolutely no one to replace him in CF.
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That's what I was thinking earlier...I guess it would be a choice of Szczur or Alcantara?
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Bryant to CF
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Yep, that's why Baez is at 3B tonight...
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Fowler is OK according to Sharma from BP.
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Needless to say, we can't afford to lose Fowler. We have absolutely no one to replace him in CF.
Almora.
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Cubs 20-4 since Beeler's last start.
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20. And 4. Wow that looks good.
I don't know if I ever remember a stretch like that, especially at this point in the season.
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The last time the Cubs had a stretch of 20-4 was the 1945 season. So I doubt many of us would remember a stretch like this. Well, Curt remembers but that's about it.
I saw that and it reminded me to really enjoy what's been happening because this is one of the best Cubs teams in my lifetime. Hopefully it is the start of a great run but I thought the same thing after 2003. Who knows what will happen. Can't wait for tonight's game.
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Yeah, any Cub fan who isn't enjoying this season needs some serious therapy and probably some meds to accompany the therapy.
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Ron being disrespectful to those Cubs fans not enjoying this season. ;D
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Ron being disrespectful to those Cubs fans not enjoying this season. ;D
Yup.
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The last time the Cubs had a stretch of 20-4 was the 1945 season. ....
Thanks, PR. That's some great perspective.
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Ron being disrespectful to those Cubs fans not enjoying this season. ;D
Yup.
Seriously, pretty sure there are pockets of Cubs fans upset about being so far behind Cardinals, especially because chunk of that is in the head to head games with Cards. Blame Castro; think Cubs should have gone all out for Price or Cueto instead of the gopher ball guy; not happy about rushing the youngsters before they're ready. Infuriated that Alcantara didn't turn out to be our Zobrist. They are VERY MAD about things.
Don't hear much about these folks because often they don't use "official" e-mail or blogs but have some kind of server in their basements. Guessing maybe 11 million of these folks. What are you going to do: march them to the illinois/Missouri border and expel them? Not very practical.
First thought this might be 5% of Cubs fans but saw some polling that steady 20-25% of fans think this way. Yes, a shocker. Can they stay mad all the way to November? Maybe there's a seismic shift going on? Anything possible if Cubs make it to World Series. (Hopefully, we can beat Miami).
In any event, I would not show disrespect, as Ron has, for these Cubs fans or tell them to adjust their medications. Something is going on with these folks. Check your birth certificates of Cubs allegiance.
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Wisconsin border is closer. And my server is not in my basement, fascist!
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The last time the Cubs had a stretch of 20-4 was the 1945 season. So I doubt many of us would remember a stretch like this. Well, Curt remembers but that's about it.
1945? I doubt that Curt remembers that. His Alzheimers had already set in by that time.
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7 pitch first inning for Matt Cain. Len & JD were barely done with their introductions when the inning ended.
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Cain is looking like the 2009-2012 version of himself through two innings.
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Through 2 innings, Arrieta has struck out 4 and has only thrown 26 pitches. And the umpires have given the Giants a fourth strike twice.
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Arrieta looks great, the Cubs offense looks like they miss windy Wrigley.
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Also, JD had a great description of what it's like for hitters to face Arrieta in the second inning--he's a "final exam when you haven't studied much."
Castro lead off single in the third, moves to second on a wild pitch when Arrieta is trying to bunt.
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It was a passed ball, not a wild pitch.
But on 1-2, Cain throws a wild pitch. So Castro at third, no outs. Infield in because Arrieta is so good that the Giants are scared to go down 1-0 in the third inning.
Arrieta Ks.
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La Stella walks on four pitches.
Cain is looking more like 2013-15 Cain in the third inning.
Good to see Fowler in the lineup today after taking the pitch off the hand yesterday, by the way.
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Contact play fails again.
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SCHWARBER! 3-0.
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Schwarber power!
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What a blast!!! What a huge HR.
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It would be nice to keep Schwarber competent enough behind the plate that he can be the backup catcher. But really, he needs to stay in LF just to keep him in the lineup 160 games instead of 130 games.
Schwarber's HR left the bat at 108 mph.
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Was thinking that Schwarber has cooled off, but not so much. Wasn't a terrible pitch, either.
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His last four hits are all homers.
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Giants get Posey about 600 PAs per season by starting him at 1B about 30 games.
Even as a catcher, could do that with Schwarber (in LF). But, get your point. Hate to do anything that might limit the bat for a guy who isn't a natural catcher. Posey is a natural.
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Yeah...bottom line, you don't take Schwarber's bat out of the lineup. If that means he's the long term left fielder, that's fine.
Arrieta is a third of the way through the perfect game he's going to throw tonight.
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Bryant single, Montero HR. 5-0.
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#wearegood
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It's nice having left-handed power bats. Wish Baez were lefty.
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We're pretty decent.
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Even Castro looks good. Liners to right field? Maybe time off has helped.
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Castro with a single and a double tonight. It would be nice if he could get hot and steal the second base job.
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Wow, just wow. You can't take Montero's bat out of the lineup either. He is pretty hot himself. Bryant has also hit two balls very hard tonight so that's great to see. Even Castro now 2-2 with a double. I'm scared to look outside in case the apocalypse is upon us.
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Jon Miller and Krukow, on Giants broadcast, talking about difference in Cain's mechanics and release point pitching out of stretch, compared to early-game out of windup.
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Damn thought it was over after two innings. You had me br
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LaStelllllllaaaaaaa!
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La Stella RBI single, 6-0.
Fowler GIDP. But it's 6-0.
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Only Fowler's fourth GIDP this season.
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LaStella and Castro each involved in two scoring innings. Nice to see both getting on base and contributing.
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Cubs have now moved up to 6th in the NL in scoring.
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La Stella hit was broken bat dunker just over 2B head.
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Arrieta just K'd Aoki. He's struck out in 6.2% of his ABs this year, best in MLB among hitters with at least 100 PA.
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Who else but Duffy would end the fun?
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Duffy with a single. This umpire has a tight zone, the pitch before the single easily could've been called a strike.
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That was strike three.
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The 2-2 pitch to Belt was a K. This umpire is awful.
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Nice hitting by Duffy off end of bat, opposite field. And, had nice defensive play earlier.
Horrible called ball on Belt on 2-2 pitch.
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Now Posey gets to hit with 2 on because this umpire has a microscopic strike zone. This inning could easily be over with a decent ump. Instead, there's only one out.
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Arrieta is seriously getting squeezed and now he is struggling with command.
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Lance Barksdale is the answer to the question of who the incompetent umpire behind home plate is tonight.
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Coghlan learning RF, almost oops.
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Dear god that was almost a disaster.
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Almost a disaster only because the home plate umpire is incompetent.
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That's the scary thing about moving all these players around. But he caught it so all is well. Need to get Crawford here. And there is the K! Let's add on a couple more now.
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Well, and because Coghlan is scary out there in right.
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Arrieta Ks Crawford on pitch missing Montero's set-up by two feet. Can do that occasionally when have power stuff.
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Arrieta with a 7-pitch inning.
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Easy 5th inning for Arrieta after the umpire made him throw a lot of extra pitches in the 4th.
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O
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Castro is now a triple away from the cycle in one of the best parks for hitting triples.
7-0 Cubs.
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Castro looking like Castro.
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Arrieta doubles.
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3rd game with two extra base hits for Castro this season I believe. Wow. Shocked. If he could turn it around and give us something out of 2B that would be huge.
Now Arrieta doubles.
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John Baker @manbearwolf
Starlin just went deep and I high fived his Dad in the stands.
#thatwascool
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Crawford boots a Fowler grounder. 8-0.
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You know things are going well when Crawford makes that play.
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Good at-bat for Schwarber. Wish Baez would study the way he hits.
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What good was Schwarber doing in AA? Seems like the offense took off when he finally was here for good.
They aren't catching the Missouri trash, but the Pirates did lose tonight.
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30 more total bases tonight and Cubs can match Mets total from yesterday.
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0-2 single against Arrieta to lead off the 6th, first non-umpire-aided base runner of the game for the Giants.
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WTF is Arrieta doing? Did he take FP from Lester?
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Cost himself the shutout.
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Just throw the ball to Rizzo and get an out. Awful decision there.
RBI grounder for Belt, 8-1. Inning should've been over.
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Rizzo gets assist and putout on same play, right?
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Gotta think this is Arrieta's last batter.
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Got him.
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Bad umpiring and one bad decision by Arrieta cut two innings off Arrieta's game tonight.
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Cardinals edging Arizona 9-1 behind Tommy Pham and the unsustainable Jamie Garcia.
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Giants pull Posey, so they've given up on this game.
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Arrieta still in the game for some reason and Byrd singles to start the 7th.
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Surprised we're using Grimm here. I know it is a big game but with a 7 run lead you would think they could use someone else.
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Castro turns wrong shoulder going back on Byrd's looper. Probably makes play if turns on other side.
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Grimm comes back nicely after going 3-0 on count.
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Alright, who is wearing Castro's jersey?
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Nice play by Castro. Having one of his best games of the season.
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Castro boosting his trade value tonight.
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Castro with a shot at the cycle leading off the 8th.
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Maddon looking for opportunity to get Herrera in game.
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Byrd with a nice catch in right-center. Hit it just a little harder, and Castro would've had the cycle.
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He JUST missed the triple there. Well struck ball to right. Nice to see him have a great game. Fingers crossed it continues.
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Cardinals edging Arizona 9-1 behind Tommy Pham and the unsustainable Jamie Garcia.
I mean all Garcia has to do is keep stranding 80%+ runners on base, not strike people out, have a BABIP 66 points below his career norm. Seems realistic to me. The Pirates should totally trade Cole for him. That said he is still having a good year, he isn't a sub 2 ERA guy.
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Aoki in LF, playing La Stella from deep shortstop, catches La Stella looper for third out.
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I mean all Garcia has to do is keep stranding 80%+ runners on base, not strike people out, have a BABIP 66 points below his career norm. Seems realistic to me. The Pirates should totally trade Cole for him. That said he is still having a good year, he isn't a sub 2 ERA guy.
He is through 13 starts with a lower WHIP than Arrieta. BTW, did you include Garcia's two injury-plagued seasons in there to get that BABIP number?
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CBJ lurking in Today's Game thread.
Not going to say anything about unsustainable Michael Wacha.
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Jacob deGrom bombed on road yesterday.
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The Giants have to be setting a record for cheap hits tonight.
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Hunter does not inspire confidence.
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Tommy Hunter fails to hit broad side of a barn. Maddon has seen enough.
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Giants back in the game.
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Tying run on deck.
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Bullpen appears to be of the bad version tonight.
You just know there will be 9th inning drama now.
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If we lose this one I probably won't be able to sleep tonight. Long day at work tomorrow so please stop the bleeding right here.
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8-0 in the 6th with Arrieta on the mound and they're going to run through the entire back end of the pen.
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I've said it before, the Giants are the western version of the Cardinals. Bunch of nobodies with Pence out and you can't kill them.
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Good job Strop. Since he only threw two pitches, they should let him close it out and save Rondon.
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Could've avoided all this if the umpire had been competent and Arrieta hadn't made that one bad throw to second base.
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On the bright side, possible opportunity for Rondon to add to saves total.
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Another long, quality AB from Schwarber.
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Duffy belongs on the all annoying team with Pence.
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Rondon coming in to face the too of the order. At least Posey is not in the game.
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Big first out to get Aoki with Duffy on deck.
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Another cheap hit.
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Cubs win.
Other than the Royals, there might not be a better late inning trio than Grimm-Strop-Rondon. But the rest of the bullpen is pretty bad.
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K on ball four! Whew. I wasn't quite nervous, but still relieved to not face the tying run. Cubs win again!
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Cubs win.
That was ball four and would have brought the tying run to the plate.
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Nice SAVE Rondon. Excellent win to start out the road trip. Worst case scenario we leave San Francisco with a 5.5 game lead on them. It would be so nice to have Hendricks give us a great start and win the series tomorrow so we don't have to worry about Bumgardner too much.
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That last pitch was so low and outside that it should have brought the tying run to the plate.
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I do wish they'd just left Strop in though. Bummer to have used all our best relievers in a game that had looked like a blowout. Oh well. Nit picking wins is a nice luxury :)
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73 wins ties last year's total with 38 games left.
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So 111 wins is not out of the question.
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He is through 13 starts with a lower WHIP than Arrieta. BTW, did you include Garcia's two injury-plagued seasons in there to get that BABIP number?
It would be included in his career numbers, but here is a list of his BABIP's
.208 (16 IP), .292, .318, .339, .300, .270, .234. He's a ground ball pitcher, so that makes him more prone to having a higher BABIP. I'm not sure what you consider his 2 injury plagued years, he hasn't had 25 starts in a season since 2011. I'm not saying he sucks or is Dan Haren, he isn't going to sustain a sub 2 or low 2 ERA. Just like I didn't say deGrom was a bad pitcher either.
Great win, but it got way to close.
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Cubs move out to 24 game lead over Phillies.
Sorry, but kind of cool Cubs that far ahead of another major league team in August.
Guess this means Cubs not in running for #1 overall draft pick?
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Just got home from the game. My takes (having not yet read the thread):
Big win. Great to get those HRs from Schwarber, Montero, and Castro. A really fine game for Castro who came within a few feet of having his triple for the cycle. He also made a fine defensive play on a tough chance to save a run. Arrieta pitched well, but he was consistently behind the hitters and he made a bonehead play on the error, trying to get the runner off second base rather than taking the sure out with an 8-run lead. Inexcusably stupid. The error also extended his pitch count, contributing to the need to go to the pen with 9 outs to go, allowing the Giants to make a late inning run.
Let's win another tomorrow- I'll be there.
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That last pitch was so low and outside that it should have brought the tying run to the plate.
True. However, Rondon throws a slider, and a slider in most effective when it is off the plate. A slider pitcher can only exist when batters think it is a fastball and swing when it is off the plate or in the dirt.
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Thanks for the recap, P2...bring our guys home again tonight!
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Dexter Fowler gets the night off. Chris Denorfia is in center. Kyle Schwarber leads off.
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Hopefully it's just a routine day off for Fowler and it isn't related to the ball he took off the hand two nights ago.
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Schwarber, Castro, Coghlan, Rizzo, Bryant, Montero, Denorfia, Hendricks, Russell. Odd.
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Fowler's played a lot of games. You don't want to sit him against Bumgarner or Kershaw (when he can bat right-handed), so tonight is a good night off.
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I bet Buff could make a better looking lineup than Joe Maddon.
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what's odd with that, Play? Seems good. Typical lefty-righty separation. With Fowler out, that gives them only four lefties in the lineup, four righties, and the pitcher. Righties are all separated either by lefty or pitcher.
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I'm glad Castro had a good game but it might be a little premature to move him up to 2nd in the lineup. Hopefully it works. Schwarber will probably get an intentional walk at some point tonight.
I just hope Fowler is ok. Might have been better to give him the day off tomorrow when Denorfia could go against the lefty.
In Maddon we trust though that's for sure. Let the mad scientist do his thing.
Brandon Crawford is sitting tonight. He got injured yesterday in the long 6th inning at bat against Arrieta and was listed day to day.
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Castro actually hit the ball hard several times last night including twice to right field. Maddon wants to strike while that iron is hot. Has to be Castro, Denorfia, or Russell, no?
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Fowler has a bruised hand from Monday and a bruised shin from last night. X-ray for both were negative. Day to day.
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I bet Buff could make a better looking lineup than Joe Maddon.
A rather effective illustration of how little the average fan understands baseball.
Look success squarely in the mouth, and then minimize what has been done by those rather directly responsible for the success with the smug assurance of vastly superior judgment.
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I'm with Chris - I like Castro in the 2 spot. He looked great last night; it wasn't just lucky hits. He saw the ball really well and took massive, aggressive cuts when appropriate, and shot it the other way when the pitch dictated.
Castro is among the most talented players in major league baseball. If there's any way we can rebuild his confidence and performance, even if just for the sake of trade value, that would be HUGE.
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Well said, tico. Castro isn't a 3-time All-Star because he's a nice guy. The dude is still very young. Might as well figure it out as a Cub. Not as though he's going to fetch a top arm at this point.
I've sort of wondered what if we kept everyone next year (and signed a FA pitcher to take one rotation spot). What if we alternated guys based on who was hot, who needed rest, match ups etc.:
1B - well, except Rizzo...he plays EVERY day, if healthy...but still maybe we could get Bryant some reps at 1st and have him ready in case Rizzo gets injured
2B - Starlin and/or Baez
SS - Russell or Starlin or Baez
3B - Bryant or Baez
LF - Schwarber or Coghlin or Bryant
CF - hmmm...if Fowler re-ups, he gets action, but if not, could Bryant handle that, at least some? I'd hate to move Almora up prematurely, but he's very bright and seemingly mature...
RF - Soler or Coghlin or Bryant
C - Montero or Schwarber (except Ross when Lester pitches)
It would be a treat to see Rizzo-Bryant-Schwarber-Soler-Coghlin (or Montero)-Russell-Baez and Castro in the same lineup, particularly assuming Starlin has figured something out and Soler makes likely adjustments.
We are gonna have some fun following this crew! Sure hope Starlin can keep it going tonight!
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No way Almora is counted on for significant playing time next year.
You give Fowler the qualifying offer, and if he signs elsewhere find a stopgap elsewhere.
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I have to think either Baez or Castro is traded this offseason. Baez needs to play and the Cubs aren't going to make Castro a 7.5M bench player for the next 4 years.
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It would be pretty easy to justify starting Baez in Iowa next year.
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I don't really agree with that. Baez now has over 600 AB's with Iowa: more than 80 extra-base hits, 128 RBI, 32 steals.
But even if he started there, that doesn't fix the problem unless you're going to trade him mid-season.
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Schwarber leads off with a pop up double that lands about 30 feet from home plate. Peavy, Posey, and Duffy were all there, but no one took charge.
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That was hilarious
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Castro grounds out. He still slows down running through first base. I don't know why that has never been corrected.
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Someone needs to get in Starlin's ass after that AB and tell him that pitch has to be grounded to the right f'n side with a runner on 2nd and nobody out.
That chaps my ass like nothing else...0-2 count, and you wanna f'n pull that pitch and not move the runner? I'd put La Stella in for him now, and let him know why...
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Coghlan up to an 8 pitch AB, full count...
Ball 4. Nice AB.
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Bryant comes through.
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Bryant with a 2 out, 2 run single. Thrown out trying to get to second, but both runs count. Cubs up 2-0 after half an inning.
Hendricks threw his best career game the last time he pitched in California.
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Whoops.
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That didn't take long.
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Aoki homers? Come on, Hendricks.
2-1.
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Now Hendricks getting squeezed.
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Quickly 3-0 to Duffy...and a walk.
The front office really blew it by not getting a real starter at the deadline.
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Now Hendricks getting squeezed.
Then he gets 6" off the corner.
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Montero with a throw down to first after a pitch, and the ball hit Dyffy in the ankle. Trainer out to check on him.
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Duffy is staying in for now.
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Guess Duffy's foot is ok.
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After a Belt K, Duffy steals on what seemed to be an almost-broken ankle a couple minutes ago.
Duffy tags and moves to third on a Posey fly ball.
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Duffy way up on the irritating list.
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If we somehow make it to the playoffs, hopefully we can go with a 3 man rotation. I want no part of a Kyle Hendricks start in a playoff game.
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Russell...that was really stupid. 2-2 game.
Cubs better have their hitting shoes on tonight.
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Well ****!
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Hendricks is really wearing down. He has looked awful lately.
Russell throws to second on a grounder, even though he had absolutely no chance there. Throw to first and take the easy out. Really bad decision.
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The Giants didn't do anything to Hendricks that inning. He needs to be more aggressive, throw strikes early. If they hit him, so be it.
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Russell reminds everyone that he's a rookie
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Cubs go down weakly in the second. Hopefully Hendricks settles in as well as Peavy did in that inning.
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Giants go down just as weakly as the Cubs.
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Giants almost blew their second infield pop up of the night, but Belt catches it.
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Other than Coghlan, the Cubs don't seem to be trying to grind out ABs tonight. Rizzo and Schwarber have both taken swings at some really bad pitches.
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Schwarber popped up a meatball.
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Wow!
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Good defense by Russell, making up for his stupid throw to second earlier.
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That was better than good.
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DP!
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That was a heck of a play.
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Anyone know why Jake Peavy still dominates the Cubs?
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Without his good stuff, Peavy is a crafty, smart major-league pitcher (as he proved again last year in the Giants' stretch run).
With his good stuff, as tonight, he's really tough. He painted a 3-2, two-seam FB to Montero that was plain nasty with much late movement!
Peavy is still pretty darned good.
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Hendricks has settled down. Throwing strikes and getting ground balls. Hopefully the offense does something against Peavy. Only Bryant has hit the ball well tonight.
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Great AB from Denorfia for a walk. Hendricks is not a good bunter so this should be interesting.
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I miss the days the Cubs had pitchers who could do things with the bat.
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Routine DP from Russell ends that.
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It would be nice if the NL would adopt the DH.
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Travis Wood can hit, but now that he's in the bullpen he never gets a chance.
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Man, Schwarber can haul.
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Schwarber steals 3rd.
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Coghlan has seen about 2/3 of the pitches Peavy has thrown tonight.
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1st and 3rd for Rizzo.
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Rizzo is not seeing it tonight
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Rizzo is just hacking at everything tonight.
Bryant has been really good tonight, though. Good chance here.
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Nope.
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Rizzo and Bryant got some meatballs that inning but couldn't do anything more than foul them off.
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Cards about to sweep Arizona behind Pham, Wong, and Piscotty. Not a law firm.
Oh, and John Lackey, another unsustainable who keeps sustaining.
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That may do it. Leadoff triple.
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Too bad Kyle had such a rotten first inning.
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Really ugly outfield defense this inning.
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Terrible OF defense this inning.
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*GASP* Cardinals beating the absolutely terrible D-Backs?! Whodathunkit?!?!?!
Seriously, not news.
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The absolutely terrible Diamondbacks had a better run differential than the Cubs three days ago.
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Problem with having a corner outfielder in center and a left fielder in right. Oh well. Probably lost this game in the top of the inning when Rizzo struck out. I wouldn't be too worried about it if we weren't facing their ace tomorrow with a mediocre Haren on the mound.
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Those of us who are truly mediocre are offended that you use that adjective on Haren!
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Another enormous break.
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Russell Ks after the enormous break. That hurts.
Bochy pulls the guy that dominated Russell for some reason.
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Hard to win when you blow two innings like the Cubs just did.
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Coghlan makes a play. Could've used that a couple innings ago.
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Castro would've been out anyway, but he slowed down going through first base again. He's been a major leaguer for 5 years, why is he still slowing down when he runs through first base?
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Casilla has been a really mediocre closer this year, but he has no problem with Bryant. One out.
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Montero grounds weakly. Casilla has two outs on 5 pitches.
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Fowler pinch hits and takes ball 1 for strike 1.
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Cubs lose. Ugly game finished with an ugly inning against a really mediocre closer.
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The absolutely terrible Diamondbacks had a better run differential than the Cubs three days ago.
Diamondbacks lead NL in runs scored.
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Not a fun game tonight. Peavy had the Cub hitters off balance and for some reason they were content to take hittable first pitches for strikes over and over and over again. Particularly disappointing was Rizzo's inability to put the ball in play with runners on the corners and one out. And I never want to see that lineup again- it was weak offensively and defensively. Hopefully, Fowler will be back tomorrow.
Speaking of tomorrow, is Schwarber going to catch in order to reduce the number of lefties in the lineup vs. Bumgarner?
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Castro would've been out anyway, but he slowed down going through first base again. He's been a major leaguer for 5 years, why is he still slowing down when he runs through first base?
Because it wasn't corrected 4.5 years ago?
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Last night's game was an important one for the Giants. Today's game is even more important. They can't afford to lose at home with such a favorable pitching matchup. If the Cubs someone manage to pull this one out, it would be huge.
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Fowler is out of the lineup again and Schwarber is catching.
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This is a great matchup. If we win, how big is that? If we lose, we've not burned an ace.
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Cubs with a brutal lineup today. Giants should be about a 5:1 favorite to win, and I'm not sure I would take the Cubs even with those odds.
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I hope this Fowler injury doesn't follow the same path as Koji Uehara and Makiel Franco. Both of them initially had x-rays and they said there was no break. But a few days later after the swelling went down, they tried again and found fractures.
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"Madison Bumgarner (15-6) looks to improve on his four-start winning streak featuring a 1.42 ERA, 41 strikeouts and two walks. He is 2-0 with a 0.75 ERA in his last four starts vs. the Cubs."
Yikes!
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Cubs with a brutal lineup today. Giants should be about a 5:1 favorite to win, and I'm not sure I would take the Cubs even with those odds.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNbgpvkUAAANhuU.jpg)
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I hope this Fowler injury doesn't follow the same path as Koji Uehara and Makiel Franco. Both of them initially had x-rays and they said there was no break. But a few days later after the swelling went down, they tried again and found fractures.
br, go to your room and stay there.
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With Haren on the hill, I wonder what the Vegas odds are on Bumgarner going yard again tonight?
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Scoreless after 1.
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That sucked. Castro pulls ball to left side with runner in 2B and no outs.
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Cubs go up 1-0 with no outs in the second--Rizzo single, to 2B on a wild pitch, and scored on a Castro double.
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Russell has had some crappy games since coming back. Maybe he needs to spend more time with his wife and son.
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That sucked. Castro pulls ball to left side with runner in 2B and no outs.
The pitch was in the middle of the plate. He did exactly what he should have done there. Glad you're catching on...
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They pretty much let Bumgarner off the hook there. Awful AB by Heredia (no surprise).
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Diamondbacks lead NL in runs scored.
Part of this is because they play in Arizona, but point taken. They're better than I gave them credit for. It's still not a surprise that the Cardinals beat them.
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LA beat the Reds again. The stakes today for the Giants are that much greater.
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And the Giants appear to be up to the task.
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Poor route by Szczur on the Perez double. Could see on catcher's view replay. First took hard right run and then readjusted to angle. Too late.
Guessing this is type of batted ball that Almora catches.
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It's surprising we had a lead at any point in this game. I suspect that the rout is on.
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Nice play by Belt and Bumgarner to get a really tough 3-1 groundout.
Tied 1-1 going to the bottom of the third.
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Giants are fortunate that Bumgarner was not hurt on that play.
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Cubs looking very much like a team that is overmatched. Which they are.
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Send Hendricks and Haren out to pasture.
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Schwarber is officially a Cubs catcher...he throws the ball into CF on a stolen base attempt.
Aoki moves to third, infield moves in (always a stupid move this early in the game), and a ball gets through for a single. Still only one out because the infield was in.
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Schwarber did a lot right on the play. Good footwork, quick release, strong arm...looked like maybe his grip on the ball wasn't good, though...happens...
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Haren needs to quit walking people. Especially in front of Posey.
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Now it's a big inning only because they pulled the infield in. I HATE pulling the infield in so much.
Haren is terrible. Richard, Wood, and Wada are all better. What a lousy trade deadline by a front office who has done so much right.
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OMG, just retire already Dan. It's over.
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So what was the point in acquiring Haren? He hasn't pitched more than 5 innings in a game for Chicago.
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This should be his last start as a Cub. Please start Richard instead if we can't find anyone better.
We are going to have a tough time winning games that Haren and Hendricks start the rest of the way, especially against good teams. Just have to hang on to the wildcard spot and see if Arrieta can win the one game playoff. Then go with a 3 man rotation until we get David Price next year.
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Time to sit Bryant/Rizzo ... this game is toast.
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I don't think Hendricks has been comparably bad to Haren. Cubs always seem to pull out their worst defense when Hendricks pitches.
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Hendricks can turn it around. Haren blows.
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Haren at 83 pitches and Wood went 2 innings last night. This should be interesting.
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Im not sure Hendricks is capable of "turning it around".
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Bumgarner, Sale, Kluber. Cubs have barely put the ball in play. This is my fear come playoff time.
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Luckily 2/3 of those pitchers aren't in the playoffs so far and it may be 3/3. Kershaw and Cole are the only really scary pitchers the Cubs may face in the playoffs.
Edit: I forgot about the Mets.
Edit, Edit: Bleacher Nation has you covered.
http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/08/27/tough-match-ups-no-prob-cubs-have-winning-record-against-mlbs-best-pitchers/
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Cubs would have to get by Pitt and Stl to face the Mets.
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Haren ends up getting through 6 innings. If only the Cubs hadn't played the infield in on that play in the third inning...it might still be a 2-1 game.
Bumgarner out for some reason. He was at 98 pitches, so the Cubs get 3 innings against their bullpen instead of two.
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I wonder if Bumgarner tweaked something on that play at 1B. It would be a shame if he missed a few starts.
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Cubs with 1 run over their last 14 innings.
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Make that 15 innings.
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Leather Larceny!
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Nice play by Coghlan but that's a running catch--not a dive--before the Baseball Tonight era.
Better play was the Schwarber catch-and-tag at home,play before.
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lol
How do you give up a grand slam to Kelby Tomlinson? How is that even possible?
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I would say the chances of winning this one now are at 0%
What a garbage performance. Tomorrow is another loss.
Have to hope for a 3-3 road trip at best but they never play well at Dodger Stadium.
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JR is ok to get rid of James Russell now?
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Until his last three games, Russell's ERA was 3.34.
Now, 5.45.
Nine earned runs over last three outings.
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Leather Larceny!
On a laser roped into center pasture?
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Haren needs to retire...what was the FO thinking when they acquired him?
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They weren't winning that game no matter who pitched.
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They weren't winning that game no matter who pitched.
+1
Well, maybe Koufax. Or Will Farrell.
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Thought about driving up to LA for tonight's game but not crazy about Hammel vs Kershaw matchup. Last time I was there was 2008 playoffs. Not much fun. I think we'll go for Arrieta's start on Sunday instead.
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Thought about driving up to LA for tonight's game but not crazy about Hammel vs Kershaw matchup. Last time I was there was 2008 playoffs. Not much fun. I think we'll go for Arrieta's start on Sunday instead.
If we lose because we were short one guy cheering them on, we'll know who to lay the blame on.
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The Friday night game is on WGN and the MLB Network. Saturday's game is also on MLBN. Will MLBN have their own announcers or will they use Vin Scully's telecast?
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Tonight is tough but the Dodgers may be without Puig and Gonzalez. That would be a big break for the Cubs obviously. Puig's injury looked pretty bad last night.
The Dodgers bullpen has not been very good. Keep the game close, work up Kershaw's pitch count, and win it against their bullpen. All I want is a chance at a 3-3 roadtrip and to not be swept. Win one of the next 2 games and then give the ball to Cyrrieta Sunday night to win the series and get us back home at 3-3. We'd also be closer to September and hopefully reinforcements like Baez can help a little.
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CY-rrieta - Hah
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Last Cubs game I saw on MLBN actually had Len and JD on the mikes - but Vin is a legend...
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He has aged well.
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Like a fine Vin.
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You're your own straight man.
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Someone has to be.
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Fowler back in the lineup. Schwarber sitting agains Kershaw. Denorfia and Sczur are the corner outfielders, Castro at 2B, and Montero behind the plate.
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Puig out of the lineup but Gonzalez is in there. Lots of lefties for the Dodgers. This one will be Really tough. Our lineup without Soler and Schwarber doesn't look that imposing plus we're facing the best and hottest pitcher in baseball. A win tonight would be amazing.
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Puig out of the lineup but Gonzalez is in there. Lots of lefties for the Dodgers. This one will be Really tough. Our lineup without Soler and Schwarber doesn't look that imposing plus we're facing the best and hottest pitcher in baseball. A win tonight would be amazing.
Puig has been placed on the DL.
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Not surprisingly, Chase Utley just put the Dodgers ahead with what may be the only run Kershaw will need.
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I had had no idea that Vin Scully does the games all by himself. Are there any other one-man announcing crews in the majors?
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Marlon Byrd had been 0-14 against Wacha and just hit a grand slam off him. Of course when we need the Cardinals to win and have pretty much no chance to catch them, they lose. They will get swept this weekend and go back to their demonic winning ways right after that.
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Rizzo ties it up with a monster homer to center field.
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Wow, Rizzo just hit a bomb off Kershaw. Took two tough curveballs to make the count full and then hit a fastball deep to center. 1-1 game. Keep it close and get to their bullpen. Only problem is Kershaw has a low pitch count so far.
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I think the 2015 Cubs lose their grip on their bats when they swing more often than any team I've ever seen.
That last pitch to Bryant to end the top of the 6th was nowhere close. Kershaw doesn't need your help, ump.
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Wood's strikeout mark might be in danger.
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Hammell walks the first guy and then gives up a hard hit in the 6th.
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Sloppy baseball, and it's 2-1.
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ball in dirt, Utley tries to advance to 3rd. Montero's throw would have had him beat, but he threw it into left.
Then the next pitch goes between Montero's legs.
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Never seen a team with more balls thrown into the outfield from catcher than this one.
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Very boring and sloppy.
Typical visit to Dodger Stadium.
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Never seen a team with more balls thrown into the outfield from catcher than this one.
Every Cubs team for the last five years has done that. Four different managers, and it's been a problem with every team.
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4-6-3, but another run scores. 3-1. Too bad there was so much sloppiness earlier in the inning to allow that runner to get to third base.
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Nice double play, but Russell never touched 2nd base. Wasn't close.
3-1 Dodgers. With the way this offense has been the past 3 games and with Kershaw, may as well be 50-1
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We were even sloppy on the double play; Russell's foot was clearly off the bag.
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Well, at least the Cardinals tied the Giants.
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Now it's a blowout. 3 walks this inning. Up to Lester and Arrieta to salvage this roadtrip. Just don't get swept.
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I know it's easy to say now, but Maddon really should've gotten Grimm up after Hammel walked the leadoff man in that inning. It was a 2-1 game when Hammel left, and they needed to miss some bats. I know lefties were coming up...but lefties have hit .073/.174/.146 against Grimm this year. That was the key inning if the Cubs were going to come back tonight, so it seems weird to use Wood in probably the highest leverage relief situation we'll see tonight.
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When did Fernando Rodney join our team?
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Yesterday. Control seems to be a problem.
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Yesterday.
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Dodgers - 4
Slop - 1
Hope for a 3-3 road trip is the best.
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https://mlblogsmuskat.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/0828scully.jpg
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The game is apparently on MLB Network tonight, but Comcast shows that it doesn't start for another hour. I guess maybe Fox still has the rights for games for another hour, so MLB Network can't pick one up until 10:00 eastern time?
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Leadoff double then they do what they do best. 3 strikeouts in a row.
Is there a possible slump looming again?
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Leadoff double by Fowler on the first pitch, then three consecutive Ks by Schwarber, Coghlan, and Rizzo. Rizzo has been striking out just as much as everyone else lately.
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A very young team struggling offensively in big games on the road. It's to be expected. As they continue to play such games, their performance should steadily improve. The uncertainty is how quickly they will adapt. The nice thing about having a lead in the WC race is that if they can adapt very quickly, they should be able to stay in the race.
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Or, they could be struggling offensively because they faced the best starter in baseball yesterday and another top 10 starter the day before.
The nice thing about having a lead in the WC race is that if they can adapt very quickly, they should be able to stay in the race.
Really, is this a new version of Jeff's old experiment? Are you trying to reverse jinx them? They have a five game lead. Talk of them "falling out of the race" any time soon is borderline silly.
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La Stella is awful.
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Dodgers tie it up in part because Lester never throws to first. Gotta get the run back now.
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Mid-4th, still 1-1.
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Cubs should copyright the phrase "sloppy baseball." Coghlan just turned a fairly easy out into a double with his route.
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Followed by catcher's interference by Montero. Runners on first and second, 1 out.
Sloppiest team in baseball. That was the real difference over the last month when the Cubs were playing well...they didn't make these constant sloppy plays.
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Maddon out to talk to Lester after he goes 2-0 on the next batter.
The more we see situations like this, the more I feel like Lester is somewhat of a headcase who really does need Ross catching him.
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Lester completely and totally distracted by Van Slyke at second base.
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Lester gets out of it with a K and a pop to Coghlan.
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But gets out of it clean.
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That was the real difference over the last month when the Cubs were playing well...they didn't make these constant sloppy plays.
Well, they also scored runs too.
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Another failed sacrifice attempt by a pitcher on this team.
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Russell with the hustle!
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Russell single, Lester pops a bunt foul for an out, La Stella singles on a hit and run. First and third, 1 out for Fowler.
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It looked like Fowler went around on both of those check swings, but only the latter one was a strike.
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Latos balks in a run. 2-1 Cubs.
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Good thing Latos is a goof.
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Umpires discussing it, but JD is pretty sure it's a clear balk.
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Mattingly still arguing, umpires get together again. And now the balk finally stands.
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That was clearly a balk.
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"Latos worked off a tattoo last inning"
Listening to Vin is awesome.
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Tough luck for Latos, who seemed to inadvertently drag his foot over the rubber without knowing it. But we'll take it.
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Latos did attempt to step back but stepped back on top of the rubber. He didn't step off the rubber before the fake throw. That's a balk.
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Schwarber walks, Latos out after 4 2/3 IP.
They may not have scored a lot of runs tonight (yet), but this offense looks a lot better than it did against Kluber, Bumgarner, and Kershaw. They at least made Latos work.
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Latos is horrid compared to those three and he handed them both runs thus far.
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Gotta win this one. Latos out early. Lester on the mound. Let's go into tomorrow's game with a chance to win the series and go .500 on the CA swing.
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Wonder if the Dodgers have given up on Pederson already. His K's are frightening but his power is legit, he walks a ton, and plays a great center field. Get him to hit .250 and you've got a star.
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Mattingly still arguing, umpires get together again. And now the balk finally stands.
JD had it right. Mattingly only wanted more time for his relief pitcher to get loose. Mike Scosia does that all the time.
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Dodger Stadium Trivia
What was the name of the guy who used to sit behind the plate with his big stogie and a radar gun?
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Latos knew he had balked as soon as he did it. He just tried to fake his way out of it. His foot was against the rubber when he started the fake...yes, it was off when he finished, but that doesn't matter.
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Dodger Stadium Trivia
What was the name of the guy who used to sit behind the plate with his big stogie and a radar gun?
Good one...didn't he ride along with Fernando Valenzuela?
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Yeah, Mike Brito.
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Good one...didn't he ride along with Fernando Valenzuela?
Mike Brito. Another of his trademarks was a big mustache.
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What was the name of the guy who used to sit behind the plate with his big stogie and a radar gun?
Better yet, where is he now?
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This ump is calling balls strikes against Schwarber. That's two now.
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And it results in that.
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He had a giant strike zone against Russell in that inning too.
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The Cubs need to push a run across one of these times.
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One inning away from Rondon time.
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Oops...two innings.
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Schwarber didn't get a single pitch to hit. The only approach there was to keep taking.
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Crawford steals on Lester again.
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One day I hope this team has a catcher that can throw the ball to 2nd base on the fly (and not to Fowler)
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Dodgers about to tie or worse.
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Schwarber's last AB:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNoH3D8UcAABS9k.jpg)
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Who knew you could collect hits with runners on base?
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and this game is over
The shitty offense has once again returned and it's cost Lester a good outing.
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Infield in to set up the big inning.
Grimm was getting ready at the start of this inning. Why isn't he in yet?
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Same pitch over and over again in the same spot. Looks like we'll be asking Arrieta to win the only two games in this roadtrip.
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Infield in costs the Cubs again. Just the stupidest widely accepted move in baseball. Worse than sac bunts and intentional walks.
Now Maddon makes the move to Grimm, 2 batters too late.
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4-2 Dodgers.
What a complete joke.
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Vin commented tonight that Lester has 28 pick offs to his credit, but none the last 3 years. So he hasn't always been reluctant to throw to first...
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Yuck. This one really stings. Not only should our "ace" be able to beat Matt Latos (and 4+ innings of the Dodger pen), but it feels like Lester has been badly exposed once again. Assuming we still get to the playoffs (and I do think we will), I'm scared to see what teams will do to him on the basepaths. In tight games against good teams, his singles/walks turning into triples isn't something we can survive, especially with our young hackers likely struggling to push across runs.
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Can't throw beach balls with an 0-2 count.
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Slow hook.
Dodgers are really good at home.
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Coghlan would make Stevie Wonder proud in RF.
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So far Coghlan has looked as bad in right this year as he did in left last year. I'm losing my interest in the Schwarber in left experiment as his batting average falls and balls fall in right.
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This whole team looks to have lost interest.
The crappy offense is back, the starting pitching has sucked, now Grimm getting his ass knocked around.
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Rizzo swings at another one in the dirt.
Now 3-20 on the road trip. When he stops hitting, so does the team.
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Rizzo striking out at a Baez-like 42% rate over the last 6 games. Not sure what's going on with him.
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Single-Rizzo K-HBP-HBP has the bases loaded for Russell.
Szczur pinch running for Montero.
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Two hit batsmen in a row help the Cubs make it interesting. Szczur in to pinch run for Montero.
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We sure need Rizzo to return to form SOON.
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A triple would be nice.
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Russell and Strop up in the pen. So it looks like if the Cubs score a couple, they'll have a chance. If they don't, the deficit will get worse.
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These Dodger fans seem to think that the strike zone extends five inches off the plate.
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Instead a 6-4-3 double play.
lol
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Anyone really think that wasn't coming?
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GIDP. So many terribly timed GIDPs this year.
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I think David Ortiz could steal on this catching staff.
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Seems like it. But didn't someone post that the Cubs have fewer DPs than almost everyone?
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Rizzo lacks experience in meaningful late season games as well. No reason to be surprised that he and the team are struggling. They need to limp back to Wrigley and find a way to turn things around.
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Leadoff single for Castro. Too bad Russell didn't hit that exact ball last inning.
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Schwarber's season is starting to track that of Baez last year.
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Our management has done a very good job. Calling up LaStella over Baez was not one of the times.
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Looking ahead one day
Cincinnati lost to the Brewers in Milwaukee this afternoon so the Reds are probably already in their Chicago hotel resting up for the game Monday night. Who knows what time it will be Monday morning when the Cubs get back from the west coast.
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Schwarber's season is starting to track that of Baez last year.
Yeah, Schwarber now at 179 PAs.
Schwarber at 179 PAs: . 909 OPS
Baez at 179 PAs: .592 OPS
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I've never really had a problem with Dan Shulman, and Jessica Mendoza really seems to know what she is talking about. Now if they'd just dump Kruk for someone like Glanville, ESPN could have a pretty strong broadcast booth.
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This home plate ump is about as good as last night's.
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This chick announcer isnt working for me.
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Cubs up 2-0 through 2 1/2 innings. They've left six on base already.
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Arrieta is nasty tonight, though. Mattingly isn't doing Pederson any favors by only letting him face Arrieta in this series.
Arrieta's perfect game broken up on an error by Castro.
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Shulman asks Kruk if he likes how Wood is setting up to bunt. Kruk's response is basically, "Well, I didn't ever know how to bunt, so...um..."
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Arrieta works around the error. He has no hit stuff tonight, but he's throwing a few more pitches than ideal--he's on pace to throw 135 pitches if he takes the no hitter all the way.
It was a tough error for Castro, BTW. But it hit off his body, so I don't think you can call it anything other than an error.
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Alex Wood settles in in the 4th inning, but he's already at about 85 pitches.
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I'm watching the stream with the gray backgrounds and three announcers including John Kruk and a woman (is she someone important?); what channel is this? The graphics feel really futuristic and designed around HD computer screens and phones.
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With Castro on second, Utley uses his leg to block second base on a pickoff. Starlin reaches over the leg to touch the base with his hand, but is Utley allowed to do that?
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ESPN has Dan Shulman, John Kruk, and Jessica Mendoza. With Schilling suspended, they're trying something new. Personally, I think it's a big improvement.
Two nice defensive plays by the Dodgers to start the 5th, followed by a Castro double. This game really feels like it should be about 7-0 by now.
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yeah, frustrating to dominate game so far and only have 2-run lead.
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Arrieta is dealing.
Lester is hands down our #2.
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Dodgers hitless through five. This is as good as Arrieta has been for the Cubs. Pitch count around 70--a little higher than ideal, but not a problem.
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With Schilling not there to blabber with Kruk, they're actually calling the game.
Not sure why that's ordinarily so difficult
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Mendoza rarely talks, Schilling rarely didn't talk.
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But when Mendoza talks, she actually has something useful to say. Which is also completely unlike Schilling.
Ha:
Jon Sciambi @BoogSciambi
Cub fans tune into @MLBonESPNRadio I'll be playing the role of @LenKasper and jinxing the Arrieta no-hitter by telling people he has one...
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It's a little different having three people in the booth (and it feels weird to hear a young-sounding woman call John Kruk "Kruky" like she's some guy who played with him 20 years ago), but the on-screen graphics seem to have jumped a decade all at once. I particularly like the translucent strike zone. The fonts are a little too small but everything looks so clean.
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Cubs have scored 8 runs over the last 45 innings. That's 1.5 per 9.
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Arrieta through 6 innings. He walked Rollins for the first "earned" base runner of the game.
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....I particularly like the translucent strike zone. The fonts are a little too small but everything looks so clean.
That's just the Cerulean sky reflecting off the mountains. Los Angeles is just like that most of the time. That's why everyone is 20 years younger than their calendar age.
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After a walk, a long fly to Szczur in left ends the inning. Would be nice to get a couple of insurance runs with the top of the order coming up.
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Looking good.
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Terrible called third strike on Bryant. The replay showed what looks like two full inches of space between the ball and the edge of the plate.
That's just the Cerulean sky reflecting off the mountains. Los Angeles is just like that most of the time. That's why everyone is 20 years younger than their calendar age.
If it keeps the ageless Vin Scully around, I'm in favor!
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After a 4 pitch walk I predict a frst pitch dp
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Starlin Castro folks.
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Damb
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And Castro hits a sharp grounder right to second for an inning-ending double play. I hope we're not looking back at that inning with regret.
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there was about a 2% chance that he wasn't going to hit into a double play in that spot. 4 pitch walk to the batter before you, swing at first pitch. classic. ::)
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Yeah, Schwarber now at 179 PAs.
Schwarber at 179 PAs: . 909 OPS
Baez at 179 PAs: .592 OPS
While true, it sort of misses the point that Schwarber is starting to track that of Baez last year.
Yesterday's game was Schwarber's 45th as a Cub, and in his last 14 games he has 7 hits in 60 PA, with 4 HR, a double, 20 K's and 8 walks. At game #45 for Baez last year, looking back at his prior 14 games he had 8 hits in 63 PA, with 2 HR, a double, 27 K's and 6 walks. Not a whole heck of a lot better for Schwarber during the same stretch of playing time.
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Castro 3-3 tonight coming into a bases loaded, 1 out AB. Then he hits into a DP. Tonight has been the definition of bad sequencing for the Cubs.
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Dodgers try to hand the Cubs more runs as they have tried to do all series. Just not happening.
0-16 w/ RISP this series.
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Castro hit the ball hard, the other way. This was no slow chopper to the SS. Sometimes it just happens.
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All is forgiven, Starlin. What a great grab on that line drive to end the inning.
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Arrieta is through 7 innings. 6 outs to go.
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I predict that if he gives a hit the error ruling earlier will be changed
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Arrieta takes it into the 8th.
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Nice to get a 6 pitch inning. Now at 88 pitches through 7.
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Arrieta lost 3 no-hit bids in the 8th last year.
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Just want to win the game.
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Arrieta 1 out single. It would be nice if Russell would hit a first pitch homer to get Arrieta off the bases.
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Arrieta does what he won't let the Dodgers do: get a base hit.
Hit a homer, Addison, and let him jog in.
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Russell GIDP. Standing on first base for a couple minutes probably didn't take a lot out of Arrieta.
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Cubs really looking like the Cubs lately.
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Cubs really looking like the Cubs lately.
Fortunately Arrieta is looking like Arrieta.
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Our one saving grace, Tuffy.
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5 outs to go.
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ESPN has superimposed the strike zone over every pitch all year, but they've dropped it this inning for some reason.
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4 outs to go.
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Through 8 innings. Arrieta is the best.
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ESPN has superimposed the strike zone over every pitch all year, but they've dropped it this inning for some reason.
The call on Bryant probably exposed the bad umpiring too much.
Tough grounder but Russell and Rizzo make the play, and Jake is through 8. Wow.
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So it goes to the 9th.......
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Arrieta at 98 pitches, so the pitch count is a non-issue.
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The call on Bryant probably exposed the bad umpiring too much.
They could've dropped it months ago if that were the case. The calls on Schwarber last night were worse.
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This is pretty cool ...
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Fowler 3-5 tonight. Would be nice to get that run home.
12 hits and 2 runs.
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Fowler 3-5 tonight. Two good games after the injury concern--if you're being logical, probably an even better development than Arrieta's game tonight.
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Bryant's strike zone tonight has been as bad as we've seen this year.
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This offense is really boring again. K after K after K then a couple inning ending double plays to throw in there.
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Good news is Castro cant hit into a dp this time
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Ok, here we go...
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2 runs on 13 hits.
Just get the win.
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I'm not as concerned about the no no as much that these scoring opportunities will haunt us
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I'm not as concerned about the no no as much that these scoring opportunities will haunt us
It would indeed be crushing to lose this game, but I think the Cubs will get through it even if the spell is broken.
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1 down.
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I really wish we could listen to Vin Scully call this.
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2 down.
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I'd be happy to hear anyone call it -- my stream is still showing "commercial". ^_^;;
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Of course it comes down to Utley.
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Come on, Jake!
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Chances Utley burns the team that tried to trade for him?
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Awesome!
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No hitter!!!!
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ARRIETA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah!!!!
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Cubs win!
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Wow, good for him.
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Struck out the side!!
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Have we decided yet if Arrieta is a number one pitcher or not?
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Jake F'n Arrieta!!!!!!
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The Dodgers just got no-hit for, what, the second time in a month? That's 50 years' worth of opposing no-hitters for the Cubs.
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Wish the bats had done a little more but for a 2-4 roadtrip, that's not a bad way to end the trip. The flight back will surely be a lot more fun with the pajama party.
As bad as the roadtrip was, the Cubs only lost 1 game to the Giants in the standings. Giants play the Dodgers now. Win 2 out of 3 from the Reds and then get some rest Thursday.
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Struck out the side in the 9th. Could've gone another 4 or 5 innings.
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Oh, and I want to trademark Cyrrieta. The campaign is now in full steam. Just need Greinke to struggle a little down the stretch.
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Scott Feldman and Steve Clevenger for Jake Arrieta and Pedro Strop. Wow.
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Hated to give up Clevenger, though.
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I think it's safe to say we took advantage of the Orioles in that trade.
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For those debating Herrera's value. He was one of the first to get water to Arrieta after the game.
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One minor disappointment from my viewpoint - it used to be very common for a home crowd to give a nice round of applause to an opposing pitcher when he came to the plate late in a well pitched game. Jake Arrieta was greeted by silence when he hit in the top of the eighth.
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Mattingly showed class in the post game interview. When asked if he thought that the error should have been a hit, he said that it didn't have any effect on the outgame of the game, and he would not discuss it. He went on to talk about how masterful that Arrieta was tonight.
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Maybe the best quote in the history of Chicago baseball:
“I don’t think this team improves by trading Scott Feldman” -Jeff Samardzija
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/07/03/samardzija-on-feldman-trade-its-unfortunate/
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He was so dominant tonight I wasn't really sweating the no hitter it was that good. Some of those pitches the last couple innings were just filthy. Man that was fun.
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After Jake Arrieta's interview with Buster Olney was done, the cameras showed Len Kasper shaking hands with Jake in the dugout. I'm glad Len was there to see the game but I wonder what his capacity was.
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Jeff Samardzija is a big ass. The White Sox can keep that moron. Him and Hawk would make a good pair.
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Fantastic job by Arrieta. As for LA, let's just say the fans are classless. We were humiliated almost as badly as the Cubs after the deciding NLDS game in 2008.
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His slider was filthy tonight.
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Dodgers fans aren't known for their passion. Many leave early every night. Not shocking they weren't into it.
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It will be interesting to see how the H crew (Hendricks, Haren, and Hammel) does against the Reds. Need to get back to winning series. Division is toast but I REALLY want to see that Cole vs. Arrieta matchup.
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Dodgers being no-hit twice in 9-days may have had something to do with them not cheering it on.
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Go Cubs Go
@TheCubsFeed
#Cubs Maddon says Grimm was only one who didn't know it was a no no via @CarrieMuskat
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Go Cubs Go
@TheCubsFeed
#Cubs Maddon says Grimm was only one who didn't know it was a no no via @CarrieMuskat
That should be forth a few shekels in kangaroo court.
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http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/13547782/chicago-cubs-wear-pajamas-flight-back-chicago
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Arrieta taking the pajamas trip seriously in his postgame press conference:
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Arrieta should switch pajamas with Rondon.
https://mlblogsmuskat.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/0830pj.jpg
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Braves beat writer:
David O'Brien @DOBrienAJC
Jake Arrieta no-hitter sure not a surprise. Best pitcher I've seen this season. Just nasty.
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Thought it was interesting that Maddon thinks enough of Schwarber's LF defense that he pinch-hit him for Denorfia, requiring schwarber to finish game in OF, with Cubs holding a slim lead.
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Thought about driving up to LA for tonight's game but not crazy about Hammel vs Kershaw matchup. Last time I was there was 2008 playoffs. Not much fun. I think we'll go for Arrieta's start on Sunday instead.
If we lose because we were short one guy cheering them on, we'll know who to lay the blame on.
Yeah, this was the right call. Traffic was a **** getting up there, but in the afterglow of being there for the no-hitter, we forgot all about it. I can't remember ever being that nervous at a baseball game. But you couldn't tell anything from the rest of the crowd. Seemed like just another game for most of them--like they didn't realize they had just seen history. Maybe they didn't.
We sure did. Wow.
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The 5 Freeway. Such fun.
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After Jake Arrieta's interview with Buster Olney was done, the cameras showed Len Kasper shaking hands with Jake in the dugout. I'm glad Len was there to see the game but I wonder what his capacity was.
Did I miss something?
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Did I miss something?
I did not know Len was on the radio when there was no telecast
Len Kasper @LenKasper 10h10 hours agoEnjoyed the heck out of doing post-game (https://twitter.com/Cubs)@Cubs[/url] radio interview w/Jake Arrieta after his no-hitter tonight.[/size][/font]
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Congrats, DelMar...I was wondering if you had decided to make the drive...
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I only got to see the last inning of this game, but have enjoyed watching Arrieta every time I've seen him pitch. It is really a rush to have such a truly dominating pitcher take the mound for the Cubs. It's been a while.
And Jake seems like someone is is more likely to sustain this level, or even improve on it, than to decline any time soon (knock on wood). By all accounts his game preparation (physical and mental) is outstanding, and his demeanor is rock solid to boot. What fun.
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Thanks, Dave. It wasn't a sure thing. We didn't commit until Sunday morning. I really hate driving to LA almost as much as I hate the Cardinals.
So strange that those casually attending could walk out not realizing what they saw. I noticed it in the 5th. My son saw it in the 6th and explained it cautiously to his sister. After that we just exchanged glances. The deep fly ball that we realized wasn't going out. The liner that Castro picked off. The deflected ground ball up the middle was probably the scariest play.
Lots of hits but no runs after the first. I predicted 6-4-3 on the Castro double play rather than 4-6-3 (and in his defense, it was a hard hit ball to second rather than weakly rolled over to short--thought he had a really nice game). I kept wishing they would put up at least one insurance run, thinking that if he lost the no-hitter it would be nice to have enough runs to make sure they got out with the win. Thinking Old School Cubs Fan, I guess.
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So, am I reading this right? Len was on the radio last night? Because I was thinking that the worst part was that Len didn't get to call it. Broadcasters keep track of that sort of thing.
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Hughes was the guy to call the ninth inning. Len might have done an inning or two like how Harry used to switch between TV and radio. He might have just done the interview as well.
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ESPN Names Jessica Mendoza as First-Ever Female ‘Sunday Night Baseball’ Analyst
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Former Olympic softball player takes over from Curt Schilling Sunday, who is suspended until Sept. 6
ESPN’s Jessica Mendoza is set to become the first-ever female “Sunday Night Baseball” analyst at this weekend’s L.A. Dodgers-Chicago Cubs game.
The gold-medal-winning Olympic softball player will replace former MLB star Curt Schilling following his suspension from the network for tweeting a picture that compared Muslims to Nazis.
Mendoza, who is from Camarillo, Calif., will join Dan Shulman and John Kruk in the booth at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles on Sunday night for ESPN’s flagship baseball show.
On Aug. 24, she became the first-ever female ESPN MLB analyst for “Monday Night Baseball” announcing beside Dallas Braden and Dave O’Brien
Before joining ESPN in 2007, Mendoza was an accomplished softball player, taking Stanford University to the College World Series before playing for the U.S. women’s national team from 2001 to 2010, winning an Olympic gold medal in Athens (2004) and silver in Beijing (2008).
If nothing else, Mendoza forced Kruk to tone down his tiresome schtick and cover the game. IMO, she earned another shot at being on the air more often.
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I'm not sure if this will make sense the way I'm going to say it, but here goes...
The play Russell made up the middle was much harder than he made it look, and he made it much harder than it should have been...
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I just saw the controversial play where Castro was given an error. My take is that it was a tough play and the call could have gone either way. It probably deserved to be a hit, as the ball was both smoked and reached Castro on a very tough in between hop. But it's not unreasonable to score it an error.
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The ball to Castro was one of those official scorer's nightmares things. A hit should be a hit, but any official scorer who says they paid no attention to the fact that it would be the first hit of the game allowed by a guy with no-hit stuff pitching in Dodger Stadium is probably lying. It was a tough error, to be sure, but not surprising that it was called an error.
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As I said last night, had Arrieta given up a legitimate hit, the official scorer probably would have changed it. Had their been a hit already, he probably would given the home boy the hit.
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Better that the scorer make the most objective call possible and stick with it. IMO.
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Many times a scorer will make a call immediately, but he will check with people around him for their opinion and sometimes change it. It's how it's always worked.
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That's fine, but within limits the call should not be dependent upon the context (e.g., whether it would spoil a potential no-no). If it's very close and you decide to err on the side of calling it an error, I don't really have a problem with that. But I would not like to see it then reversed after the no-no is broken up.
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Len Kasper just tweeted that he and Coomer will be switching places for the middle three innings tonight. JD will do play by play on TV.
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Len Kasper just tweeted that he and Coomer will be switching places for the middle three innings tonight. JD will do play by play on TV.
That's very Harry Caray-esque right there.
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They used to switch it up pre-Harry, as I recall, when Jack Brickhouse and Lou Boudreaux and Vince Lloyd were the guys. Or am I misremembering?
When Harry first started, my dad and I couldn't stand him, so we used to turn down the volume on the TV and get the PBP back on the radio. I was trying to reconstruct who the radio guys were back in the day but couldn't remember. Dwayne Staats, maybe?
Harry grew on us, of course. . . .
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They used to switch it up pre-Harry, as I recall, when Jack Brickhouse and Lou Boudreaux and Vince Lloyd were the guys. Or am I misremembering?
When Harry first started, my dad and I couldn't stand him, so we used to turn down the volume on the TV and get the PBP back on the radio. I was trying to reconstruct who the radio guys were back in the day but couldn't remember. Dwayne Staats, maybe?
Harry grew on us, of course. . . .
Harry used to go to WGN radio during the middle three innings and Thom Brennamen would come over from radio to do the play-by-play. I remember Harry coming back one time and saying "how in the world could that guy smoke that many cigarettes in such a short time?".
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He and Staats used to swap for 3 innings as well.
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I wish Chip had gone away for at least three innings.
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Tonights lineup
Fowler CF
Schwarber C
Coghlan LF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant RF
LaStella 3B
Castro 2B
Hendricks P
Russell SS
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Am I correct that if the Cubs were to pick up any more jewels like Rodney it has to be my midnight tonight to be on the playoff roster?
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Yes.
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Very interesting that LaStella is playing 3B tonight. It looks like Baez is about to become our regular 3rd baseman starting tomorrow. I assume Coghlan will go back to playing 2B and platoon with Castro.
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Am I correct that if the Cubs were to pick up any more jewels like Rodney it has to be my midnight tonight to be on the playoff roster?
Under the recent changes, anyone in the Cubs system by tonight may be on playoff rosters. Anyone signed after that may not be.
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They used to switch it up pre-Harry, as I recall, when Jack Brickhouse and Lou Boudreaux and Vince Lloyd were the guys. Or am I misremembering?
That matches my memory, though I don't think it was done all of the time in the 60's and early 70's and that it was simply done part of the time.
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I love that, despite his multiple hits last night, everyone is tripping over themselves to call *first* on the Castro GIDP.
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Len Kasper just tweeted that he and Coomer will be switching places for the middle three innings tonight.
That's just wonderful. I can hardly wait to hear him. He was bad enough to watch.
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I love that, despite his multiple hits last night, everyone is tripping over themselves to call *first* on the Castro GIDP.
because when he needs a heady approach it's not there
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Coomer is fine as a folksy analyst on radio. But every time I've listened to a game this year, I can't figure out why he does PBP in the 5th inning. Pat is still in the booth, so it's completely unnecessary. And Coomer I terrible at PBP.
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because when he needs a heady approach it's not there
Outside of a homer, a hard-hit ball the other way is basically what you're looking for from your hitter in that situation...
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Castro last night had a single, single, double with no one on base.
Bases loaded, 1 out ends the inning with a double play.
That's frustrating part not only with him, but the entire offense. They can get them on base but after that...Maybe next season will be different with this squad when they have it all figured out. If they do, it could be a very dangerous offense.
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Of course, the leadoff double goes to waste.
Rizzo is a K machine these days.
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That's at least the third time since Fowler missed those two games that he has been stranded after a leadoff double.
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Outside of a homer, a hard-hit ball the other way is basically what you're looking for from your hitter in that situation...
no. I was looking for patience after a 4 pitch walk. It's just good baseball
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Just tweeted by Bleacher Nation: Cubs are 0 for their last 25 with RISP.
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I just checked. It's 0 for their last 28 dating back to Bryant's hit in the 1st inning of game 2 against SF.
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Fowler: double and homer.
Everyone else: nothing.
Cubs lead 1-0.
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Castro...lol...amazing.
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Fowler is up to .259/.355/.434 on the season. He's also hitting .240/.343/.427 as a LH hitter now--remember just before the All Star Break when there was a lot of talk about how the Cubs needed someone else to take that half of the platoon?
I really hope they bring him back next year. Sign him to a three year deal. If Almora develops, he can push Fowler to a corner. But I don't have much faith in Almora.
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Hendricks was completely terrified of Frazier in that AB. Someone should let him know that Frazier has a .667 OPS since the break.
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Hendricks escapes with only one run. 1-1.
He hasn't been pitching with much confidence lately, though.
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Castro's error may have cost the Cubs there--without the error, they don't pitch around Frazier, so the inning may have turned out completely differently. As it is, though, DeJesus knocked in the tying run.
I don't know if Hendricks' command has gotten worse, or if he's just less confident in his stuff...but it really seems like he's not throwing nearly as many strikes as he was earlier in the year. Maybe I'm just imagining it.
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Yet another K by Rizzo. Not sure what's going on with him, but he needs to figure it out.
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The entire offense is backing to looking like it did the majority of the season.
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Hopefully just jet-lagged. Might be good to give some guys a day off tomorrow or Wednesday afternoon especially if we win one or both of these games. I would let Rizzo sit on Wednesday so he also gets Thursday's day off and get him recharged for the home stretch. But, need to pull out a win tonight first.
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Bryant had a single and La Stella lined out with 2 outs in the 4th, so maybe the Cubs are starting to figure him out.
Hendricks hits the pitcher with a pitch with one out in the 5th. Man, I really, really wish this front office had gotten a good starter at the deadline. The rotation is just question marks after Arrieta and Lester now.
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Hendricks in some serious trouble now after hitting the pitcher and giving up a hit. How do you hit the pitcher there with no one on base? I could see if maybe you try to pitch him inside with the pitcher trying to bunt. Now Bruce and Votto.
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After another hit, Richard is warming up in the bullpen. Hope he can get ready fast, because Hendricks shouldn't face Votto with 2 runners on.
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Hendricks Ks Bruce.
Now Votto. This likely will not end well.
IBB with third base open. Usually not a fan of the IBB, but I'm a fan here. Hendricks vs. Votto was a recipe for disaster there.
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Maddon intentionally walks Votto..... with runners on 1st and 2nd.
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I liked the IBB, but I wish they had followed up by bringing in Grimm.
Hendricks hasn't been close on the first three pitches to Phillips. At least Phillips waved at one.
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Doesn't work.
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Hope this works out but I don't like it. You have a bad defensive catcher behind the plate. You also have a pitcher running from 2B and now he's at 3rd. You also put two runnera in scoring position. And there are two runs. Ugh.
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Base hit, 3-1. Just awful. Hendricks has been terrible lately.
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Why did Maddon even get Richard and Grimm up if he didn't intend to use them here?
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Yeah, that really worked well.
Shitty pitching and shitty offense tonight.
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Arrieta, Lester, and Hammel and then pray for rain. We're going to have a really tough time winning games when Hendricks and Haren are on the mound.
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9 runs scored in 52 innings.
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Hendricks with terrible body language lately. Hitting the pitcher there was terrible.
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I hope the front office is working hard to find another starter by midnight.
Lorenzen was HBP on his pitching hand last inning. Maybe the Cubs can jump on him here. Castro leadoff double.
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At least let Richard start. Lefty throwing 93 with movement and sink is better than what Haren is doing.
Good start to the inning. Can't waste another leadoff double.
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Not going to win scoring 1-1/2 runs a game no matter what your rotation looks like.
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Denorfia walk. Two on, no outs.
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0-28 w/ RISP has to end at some point, right?
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Finally.
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Finally.
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RUSSELL! Two run double, tie game.
They need to really jump on Lorenzen here before the Reds pull him.
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DeJesus won't be winning any gold gloves.
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Russell crushed that. Hopefully that hit gets them going. Let's take the lead here.
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How did Russell not tag there???
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Man, how did that last Fowler hit go out, but that one only went to medium depth CF? That was hit much harder.
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Russell doesn't tag up on a deep line-out to right center. That's some bad baserunning.
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Fly out to right-center, Russell fails to tag to 3rd.
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Schwarber beats the shift and the Cubs have the lead.
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Russell should be on third, but I bet he misread that ball. I was sure it was over the CF when it came off the bat.
Doesn't matter, though, because Schwarber singles him in anyway.
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How many different walk-up songs does Rizzo have? He has Marky Mark. He has Taylor Swift. And he had something else his first time up tonight...that's at least three.
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Schwarber needed a cheap hit. Bryant needs to hit a bomb here.
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Rizzo getting closer to 30-30. 26 homers and now at 25 HBP.
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Russell's bad base running not an issue. Announcers did not mention it.
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That's two bad baserunning plays in the inning.
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Rizzo TOOTBLAN, but at least the run counted.
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5-3
Rizzo with a bonehead move
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Close.
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Rizzo nearly wiped out that run.
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Grimm in. The bullpen is going to have to cover 4 innings tonight, so at least one will have to be covered by someone other than Grimm/Strop/Rondon.
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Rodney or Hunter? My guess is Rodney.
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We'll probably need the pen tomorrow too. Guessing Richard gets some work against Bruce and Votto.
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That was quick.
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Tie game.
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Grimm sucks already tonight
5-5 game. Garbage.
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Another hit.
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Great time for Grimm to have his worst outing of the year.
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7-5
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Blah
What a dud.
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Wow, what an ugly outing for Grimm. 2 HR, 5 ER given up all season before tonight. 2 HR, 4 ER given up before he gets an out tonight.
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Wow, that was against the bottom of their order. What a huge letdown. He hung that curveball. It did nothing but spin.
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They are playing very poorly all the way around tonight. Would have been nice to have had a day off. Tons of physical and mental errors so far.
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Not sure why Grimm is still in. What's the point of making him throw 25 more pitches to get out of the inning?
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Finally an out.
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Clayton Richard gets the Cubs out of it.
The team has to be exhausted after last night. When would they have gotten back to their beds in Chicago? And Hendricks presumably would have been sent back to Chicago a day early so why would he be tired?
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The Reds bullpen (other than Chapman) really sucks, but it seems like the Cubs have failed to do much against them this year. They've got three innings before they see Chapman tonight.
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Clayton Richard gets the Cubs out of it.
The team has to be exhausted after last night. When would they have gotten back to their beds in Chicago? And Hendricks presumably would have been sent back to Chicago a day early so why would he be tired?
Hendricks just isn't very good right now. Great command is necessary for him to succeed, and he just hasn't had it for several starts in a row. I don't know if he was tired or not tonight, but struggling again tonight wasn't a surprise.
The Reds bad bullpen dominates La Stella and Castro with no problem. Everyone but the Cubs can hit them.
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Rodney coming in the game. If we can hold them here we'll have Russell, Fowler, and Schwarber due up.
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Nice work by Rodney. Maybe they let him go one more.
Have two innings left before Chapman. Need Russell to get on base for Fowler and Schwarber.
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I feel like this is the third or fourth time this year a Reds game has become a battle of the bullpens by the sixth inning, it feels like the Cubs have the advantage, and then the Cubs offense just completely goes to sleep.
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Schwarber ruined an otherwise great, battling at-bat by swinging at ball four in the dirt.
And Hunter is coming in. I would have liked to see Rodney throw two innings.
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After the trip out west, it normally wouldn't bother me that much to lose this one. Except we have Dan Haren going tomorrow and the chances that he does well against this lineup are very small. Maybe we have one more comeback in us in the 8th. Coghlan, Rizzo, Bryant with Montero still in the bench.
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The Reds bullpen owns the Cubs, not much chance of a comeback tonight.
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Leadoff double for Coghlan.
The Reds beat up on the Cubs sub-2.00 ERA guy tonight, maybe the Cubs can do the same to Hoover.
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Rizzo hacking at a 1-0 hack at a ball almost in the dirt. This really is probably his worst stretch in the last two years.
Now a ball called a strike. Should be 3-0, but it's 1-2.
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Rizzo K's again. Good grief. He didn't face a strike that whole at bat. Swing at two low balls and the umpire called strike 2 on a pitch that was way outside. Rizzo needs a day off.
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Rizzo Ks at a ball in the dirt. What is wrong with him right now? Even with the bad strike call, he would've been up 3-1 if he hadn't swung at two terrible pitches.
Now Bryant can't stop swinging and is down 0-2.
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Bryant walks after going down 0-2.
Here comes Chapman. Too bad Rizzo was hacking at everything and made this easier for the Reds than it had to be.
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Rizzo really pressing.
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La Stella Ks weakly vs. Chapman.
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Ha, Cubs caught stealing to end the inning. Bad night for Maddon.
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What a stupid move to try to steal there.
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Rizzo had a really poor stretch of about a week early in the season. He busted out of that with a vengeance. He needs to do that again.
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I was thinking they should try the double steal too but with one out. That way if it is successful, you get two chances to tie it and maybe make contact and get a run back. With 2 outs you might as well let Castro hit there. Oh well. Not our night. Let's hope Haren gives us a chance tomorrow.
And go Dodgers.
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Wood in for the 9th even though Strop hasn't pitched in almost a week. Maddon is basically forfeiting right now.
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Wood can't throw a strike. Two consecutive strikes to start the inning.
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Best game of the year followed by one of the most frustrating. Ugly loss in a lot of ways.
It's going to be hard for the Cubs to lose their playoff spot in the next month, and they're the favorite to move on to the LDS with Arrieta starting the wild card game. But it's going to be really hard to go deep in the playoffs with only two reliable starting pitchers. Hopefully the front office can pull off a miracle trade in the next hour.
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Good riddance to Castro
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I had been thinking Castro was better at 2nd than SS. Might have to retract that notion.
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Good riddance? Where's he going?
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2 errors for Castro tonight. Let's hope Baez can give this team a lift tomorrow wherever they play him.
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Castro's bad defense aside...I know the Cubs didn't have much chance to come back in this game, but Strop and Rondon haven't pitched since last Tuesday. Why try to get through this inning with Wood and Russell? Why not make some effort to keep it a 2 run game by using a good reliever?
This is Maddon's worst game of the year.
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The. 411 win pct Reds destroy the Cubs.
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Chapman scores the first run of his career.
What a disaster. Castro must feel miserable.
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This inning is completely on Maddon. 2 of his 3 best relievers haven't pitched in 6 days, and he goes to Wood and Russell.
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Maybe it was an audition to see who gets DFA'd?
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Fitting end to Castro's night.
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Winning teams who are trying to secure a playoff spot don't play around and have DFA contests in a 2 run game.
Really, holding back Strop tonight is inexplicable. He even warmed up earlier, so there's no reason to speculate they're trying to stay away from him. Maddon is a good manager, but he just had a really, really bad game tonight.
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Well, on to tomorrow. I guess the good news is that Chapman may not be able to pitch tomorrow. Whatever Haren has left I hope he brings tomorrow. I have to believe one more bad outing and he will not get anothet start.
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Russell just homered. Could've been a one run game.
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Chapman throws a 94 mph fastball that Russell deposits in LF. He's throwing 100 to Fowler.
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Maybe it was an audition to see who gets DFA'd?
What I was thinking
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Even funnier is someone took it seriously...
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People who expect this team to win every game they play need to understand that roughly 40% of the time, they are going to be disappointed...
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People who expect this team to win every game they play need to understand that roughly 40% of the time, they are going to be disappointed...
that sucks :)
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Bottom of 5:
Cubs fifth. St.Castro doubled to left. Denorfia pinch-hitting for Hendricks. Denorfia walked on a full count. A.Russell doubled to left, St.Castro scored, Denorfia scored. Fowler lined out to center fielder Bourgeois. Schwarber singled to center, A.Russell scored. Coghlan flied out to center fielder Bourgeois. Rizzo was hit by a pitch, Schwarber to second. Mattheus pitching. Bryant hit an infield single to shortstop, Schwarber scored, Rizzo to second. Rizzo was out advancing, second baseman Phillips to third baseman Frazier, Rizzo out.
Runs: 4, Hits: 4
Ryan Mattheus throws one pitch, a game tying single, becomes the pitcher of record and the winning pitcher.
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Ryan Mattheus throws one pitch, a game tying single, becomes the pitcher of record and the winning pitcher.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/5756884/
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That game last night had to be the end of Castro. He's complete garbage. Let Baez play the rest of the season and see what happens.
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Castro goes to the bench with Baez call up sure seems to be a certainty. I'm no fan of Hendricks either.
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I wasn't a fan of the broadcaster swap last night. JD's PBP was poor, and Coomer was even worse. Hope they don't do that again.
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Hendricks isnt horrible by any means but whenever they decide to get rid of him it'll be fine by me.
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I wasn't a fan of the broadcaster swap last night. JD's PBP was poor, and Coomer was even worse. Hope they don't do that again.
I had to laugh when Coomer said "You want to error on the side of caution" and a few other things like that. And he only sounded like a John Kruk wannabe by making fun of himself.
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If they can replace Hendricks with someone better, great.
In the meantime, they have the fourth best record in baseball with Hendricks.
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IMHO, the Cubs have other weaknesses much greater than Hendricks. I'm curious how he would compare to 4th or 5th starters in the league. I'm guessing he would compare very favorably as a 5th starter.
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Although all areas of Cubs performance has suffered at various points during the season, on the whole, the pitching has been the strongest portion of the team. Offense has had some good spurts, but on the whole has been the least productive portion of the team.
The most promising thing is that the offense has the most promise of improvement in the coming years, since the core offensive players such as Bryant, Russell, Schwarber and Soler are likely to improve with experience, and even the minor league system holds prospects with some offensive promise such as Baez, Contreras and Almora.
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I have been a supporter of Hendricks, but I am disappointed that he has shown a lack of confidence at a time when that's not a welcome trait.
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When is it a welcome trait?
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I'm curious how he would compare to 4th or 5th starters in the league. I'm guessing he would compare very favorably as a 5th starter.
This is just a quick look at the top 6 fWAR starting pitching rotations. The Cubs are 6th. It in the case of it not being clearly defined who was what I went with the lowest fWAR pitchers.
Dodgers- Brett Anderson 1.6, Mat Latos 1.6
Cardinals- Carlos Martinez 2.8, Garcia 1.9
Astros- Feldman 1.1
White Sox- Rodon 1.4, Danks 1.3
Nationals- Strausberg 1.8, Fister/Ross 1.5
Cubs- Hendricks 2.4, Hammel 2.1 (say the Cubs sign Price that could be your 4/5)
Other teams
Giants- Heston 1.5, Vogelsong -0.1
Pirates- Morton 1.1, Locke 1.0
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When is it a welcome trait?
heh...maybe as a 20 year old rookie in one of his first starts. After that, not so much.
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I have been a supporter of Hendricks, but I am disappointed that he has shown a lack of confidence at a time when that's not a welcome trait.
Hendricks ineffective, but curious what--showing lack of confidence-- is based on?
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Observation. Not just mine.
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Yeah, Hendricks has been rough his last ten times out or so, but it could be so much worse. When he's right, he's pretty good.
I'll be surprised if the Cubs aren't in on Price.
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Observation. Not just mine.
I don't see that. Mound demeanor seems unchanged. He is always frank and introspective to media after his starts. Here is video after yesterday. Seems same as always.
http://www.csnchicago.com/video_content_type/hendricks-its-baseball-cant-play-perfect-every-day
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I don't see that. Mound demeanor seems unchanged. He is always frank and introspective to media after his starts. Here is video after yesterday. Seems same as always.
http://www.csnchicago.com/video_content_type/hendricks-its-baseball-cant-play-perfect-every-day
Fine, that's your opinion. I have mine.
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I agree with you Curt (re Hendricks). I was at the Giants game on Wednesday, and Hendricks look dispirited. Of course, a leadoff HR can do that to you. Still, he gave the impression that he expected the worst. That said, he actually settled down fairly well. Still, he needs to show a little more swagger.
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Hendricks is not a "swagger" guy out there. Never has been that, even on best day.
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I agree with you Curt (re Hendricks). I was at the Giants game on Wednesday, and Hendricks look dispirited. Of course, a leadoff HR can do that to you. Still, he gave the impression that he expected the worst. That said, he actually settled down fairly well. Still, he needs to show a little more swagger.
Thanks, P2. Even announcers said that Montero and Bosio were talking to him about trying to stay too much away from the hitters. Even his facial expression was a little deer in the headlightsish. Is that a word? Anyhow, it appeared he was trying to avoid the bats instead of pitching to contact which is his strength. Just my opinion.
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I've seen him not having good "mound face" more than once this season...
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Hendricks has had five consecutive non-quality starts. Don't think has to do with confidence, mound demeanor, or what have you, but is a stretch of games in which his command has been inconsistent. This is a guy who needs to be closer to top form to succeed than most pitchers. Toughness and acumen might be his best traits---wouldn't be in majors without them.
A poor stretch in which his mistakes in the strike zone are hurting him more than anything. Yesterday, he was wild too, with too many called balls. I can appreciate the perspective that yesterday he wasn't attacking hitters as much as he should. But, his approach is always a bit on the edge because of his lack of power stuff. Other than game face supreme Arrieta, think Hendricks shows less game face/demeanor variation than anybody on the staff. Just has to make better, more consistent pitches.
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An aura of confidence would not hurt.
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Don't get me wrong...I think his bad mound face has everything to do with his inconsistent command issues. I think he's frustrated that, for whatever reason, his pitches aren't doing what he thinks they should be doing.
Hence the looks of exasperation, disbelief, etc.
It's not unusual...it's just something we haven't seen before with him...
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David Price wants Clayton Kershaw money...
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Saying that Hendricks is showing disbelief and exasperation out there is an exxageration. It is the rare pitcher who shows nothing at all when giving up a gopher ball or getting pulled after a poor outing.
What we haven't seen before from him is five poor starts in a row. That's mostly what we're seeing and inferring from that.
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I think it's indisputable that Hendricks has looked dog-eared out there. What his real emotional state has been is unknowable.
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David Price wants Clayton Kershaw money...
He deserves it, and almost certainly, he will get it.
And I don't think it will come from the Cubs.
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I think it's indisputable that Hendricks has looked dog-eared out there. What his real emotional state has been is unknowable.
I have a cat, so can't speak to that, but think we have to compare Hendricks to Hendricks--when he's going fine compared to now. To my eyes, not seeing anything out of the ordinary in face.
I'm looking at how the guy looks when he's working, setting up, delivering. Not too interested how he reacts as ball sailing out of park or the like. Interested when he's ready to face next batter. Some pitchers you can kind of see, or they give the impression, of losing focus, or look a bit unnerved, or don't want to be out there at all---take me out.
Don't see any of that with poor Hendricks compared to better Hendricks. What I see are more baserunners and runs scored off him. When he starts pitching better, think some won't have this issue anymore.
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Is he perhaps nibbling more? He obviously needs to locate, but I wonder if he isn't trying to paint a little too fine. Which is perhaps resulting in hitters swinging less on pitch one, and more consistently getting behind in the count?
It is interesting that for Hendricks, who perhaps needs good pitch framing and good defense more than anybody on the staff, my unconfirmed recall is that Maddon often matched him with Castillo and now Schwarber, and often some of the poorer defensive lineups.
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CF Fowler
LF Schwarber
RF Coghlan
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
C Montero
2B Baez
P Haren
SS Russell
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sweet!
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Clearly people are seeing different things in Hendricks' demeanor on the mound. I certainly agree that he never shows swagger and that he has generally been remarkably poker faced during games, whether things were going well or not, second only to Arrieta. But I also agree that he has seemed to me to be less unfazed by the progress of games lately than he has in the past. Maybe it's projection. Who knows. There's not really any way to resolve such an eye of the beholder disagreement.
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I would rather hit Baez ninth, but this is good enough.
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So now the Wild Card contending Cubs again have 4 rookies in their lineup. Surely it is unusual for a contending team, a team that is 18 games over .500 on September 1st, to have 4 rookies in their starting lineup. Anybody know just how unusual?
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Price isn't as good as Kershaw. I know that doesn't mean much when it comes to free agency, but he shouldn't be paid close to what Kershaw is.
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Agreed
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Kershaw is also 3 years younger than Price. I think Scherzer is a more likely comp for him.
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So now the Wild Card contending Cubs again have 4 rookies in their lineup. Surely it is unusual for a contending team, a team that is 18 games over .500 on September 1st, to have 4 rookies in their starting lineup. Anybody know just how unusual?
Just a technicality, but I don't think that Baez qualifies as a rookie any more, does he?
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Nope
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Grizzled?
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Clearly people are seeing different things in Hendricks' demeanor on the mound. I certainly agree that he never shows swagger and that he has generally been remarkably poker faced during games, whether things were going well or not, second only to Arrieta. But I also agree that he has seemed to me to be less unfazed by the progress of games lately than he has in the past. Maybe it's projection. Who knows. There's not really any way to resolve such an eye of the beholder disagreement.
Yeah, no objective truth in this. Just folks exchanging points of view. But, think it's useful to explain what we're specifically seeing---as those weighing in have done.
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So now the Wild Card contending Cubs again have 4 rookies in their lineup. Surely it is unusual for a contending team, a team that is 18 games over .500 on September 1st, to have 4 rookies in their starting lineup. Anybody know just how unusual?
Yeah, that's pretty amazing. soler ins't in there, of course, so it's really four for tonight. And of course it remains to be seen how much Baez will play, or whether he'll be a regular or frequent starter. But it's pretty fun. Lets get some runs!
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CF Fowler
LF Schwarber
RF Coghlan
1B Rizzo
3B Bryant
C Montero
2B Baez
P Haren
SS Russell
Bryant at 3B? What's with that?
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If David Price was going to take Max money... he'd be a Tiger... they offered him quite a bit and he turned it down. He will break someone's bank this off-season. i'd wager Red Sox.
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The wind is blowing out, so this one could be really ugly with Haren starting.
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Haren gets a couple guys out before his first HR.
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Votto: 1-0. Hopefully this is Haren's last start.
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And be replaced by who?
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I'd prefer to see Richard or Wada starting.
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I don't see an upgrade there.
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Maybe, maybe not...but both have been better than Haren when they have pitched this year (admittedly, in a very small sample).
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Kershaw: 7/213
Scherzer: 7/210
Kershaw is Scherzer is Kershaw money.
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Wada averaged 4-1/2 innings a start. That can't be a replacement.
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Baez picks up where he left off with a K in his first AB.
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Yeah, that was familiar.
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It's bad enough I have to listen to Thom Brennaman saying that ****...
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He looked much quieter at the plate, so I'm hopeful.
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His stance and appraoch was quieter but he still can't lay off sliders. Hopefully just first at bat jitters.
Big inning for Haren having to face Votto again. We're striking out all over the place so we need to keep this one close. Can't have 3-4 run innings.
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DeSclafani has just dominated the Cubs this year. He's been a mid-rotation starter at best against the rest of the league, but the Cubs just can't hit him.
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Prior to today he's pitched 11.1 innings and given up 6 runs against the Cubs, only 2 earned though.
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Actually, it's 18.1 IP before today, which is an 0.98 ERA. The Cubs were also hitting .197/.264/.318 as a team against him.
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Rizzo is awful right now. He really needs a day off.
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One would hope that hitting 7th in our order would help teach Baez to be a little more selective...with the pitcher hitting behind him, opposing pitchers will never give him a strike to hit as long as they know they can get him swinging at pitches off the plate.
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Kershaw: 7/213
Scherzer: 7/210
Kershaw is Scherzer is Kershaw money.
Kershaw has zero deferred cash in his deal. He also gets an opt out after his age 30 season. Max has to wait 14 years to collect all of his contract.... Max's contract when signed had a NPV of only 131 million vs 159 for kershaw.
Price is not asking for Max money. He is asking for Kershaw money.
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Bloop hit for Bryant ties the game. He's 2-2. Good thing he's been hitting well lately. We would be in a lot of trouble if Bryant was also in a slump right now.
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Cubs tied it in the 4th--leadoff walk for Schwarber, Coghlan grounder moved him to second, and Bryant blooped a hit into RF with two outs.
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#8 hitter double, DeSclafani knocks him in. 2-1 Reds. After tying the game, Haren can't shut down one of the worst MLB team's 7-8-9 hitters.
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Two runs in five innings isn't the worst. How about scoring a few for a change?
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With the wind blowing out, that's about as good as we could have hoped for Haren. Richard coming in ti face Bruce and Votto. Hold them here and let's see if The top of the lineup can do something in the 6th.
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I missed the 1st start looking at the game logs.
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Bryant has two hits tonight. The rest of the team is 0-15 with a walk and 7 strikeouts. DeSclafani just owns them. Hopefully they'll get an inning or two against the middle relief before Chapman comes in.
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Russell leaves the game on a double switch. La Stella now at second, Baez at short.
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An immediate rocket off the wall against Richard.
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Two doubles.
Richard been smacked by lefties lately.
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3-1. Man, it was just a week ago when this team looked like the best in baseball. Now they're hopeless without Arrieta on the mound.
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Grimm in after getting bombed last night. Of the 9 runs and 4 HR he's given up this year, 6 runs and 3 HR have come against the Reds.
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This is starting to feel like the Phillies series. Luckily we have some room for error and the Giants have to face the best two pitchers in the NL not named Arrieta. But man, if we don't turn things around those 13 games we have left against the Pirates and Cardinals could be ugly.
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Was that a catchable ball by Schwarber in LF? I just saw the dive and drop.
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I thought Schwarber did as well as he could with it. A more experienced fielder might have been able to get there.
Grounder to Rizzo, he throws to third and cuts down Votto. Nice play, maybe that will help him get back on track at the plate somehow.
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Cubs have a real problem holding runners on. Phillips just basically walked to second base.
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Now Phillips basically walks to third base with 2 outs. It looked like he had no real intention of stealing either base until Grimm just didn't pay attention to him, so he started walking towards the next base and sped up once he threw the pitch.
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Nice inning by Grimm, even though he's bad at holding runners.
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Fowler crushes a ball right at Bruce, and Schwarber almost takes DeSclafani's head off with a hit up the middle. Maybe DeSclafani is losing something.
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Schwarber takes second on a wild pitch that didn't get more than 10-15 feet from the catcher. Nice baserunning.
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Coghlan walks to end about a 10 pitch AB.
2 on, 1 out for Rizzo. Would be a nice time for him to break out of his slump.
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Two on for Rizzo. Hasn't had a good at bat in a while so hopefully he is due. Need to do something here.
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Rizzo 0 for 13 in his career vs. DeSclafani. That's a big reason they haven't done much against him this year, I guess.
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Swung at ball three on 2-0.
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Nice AB by Coghlan to get the walk.
Jeff Pico's first start was the second game I went to at Wrigley. Somebody in the bleachers was talking about how great he was going to be. I told the guy he sucked, I was 11.
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Swung at ball 4 on 3-2.
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Sorry, that 2-2.
Now it's full. Could easily walked by now.
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Man, Rizzo is making Castro look good right now. He has pretty much killed any realistic run at the MVP in the last couple of weeks.
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Rizzo pops out after refusing to walk several times.
Bryant singles in a run. Still losing though.
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Schwarber scores on a Bryant single. Looked like another questionable send until DeJesus dropped the ball in LF.
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This is terrific experience for Rizzo. He's very young to be a team leader, and it's good for him to feel the pressure of trying to show the way for the other young hitters.
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The Reds are actually worse than the Cubs w/ RISP. Last in baseball in fact though you wouldn't know it from this series.
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Montero! Tie game.
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Montero comes through too.
Do the Reds not have a LF reliever? Shocked when a righty came in.
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Huge hit for Montero. Come on Javy.
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Yeah, Len and JD were just saying they have 9 or 10 relievers now, and Chapman is the only lefty.
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Baez still has the same issues. Doesn't recognize pitches, swings through way too many.
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A battle of the pens.
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Strop blows it
This is starting to look like the Phillie series.
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Not Strop. Different black guy with crooked hat.
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Rodney not Strop
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We keep trying to find relievers that are basically done. Hopefully Theo and Jed will do a better job of assembling a bullpen next year. Battle back to tie it and then give them the lead right back. What's really frustrating is that it is basically the bottom of their lineup killing us.
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Maddon has a blind spot for formerly good closers who suck now, I guess. He immediately put Soriano in close games too when they added him to the team.
Of course, not sure who would've been better. Having 2-3 starters at the back end of the rotation who can only go 5 innings and only three good relievers really makes it tough to win close games.
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What's really frustrating is that it is basically the bottom of their lineup killing us.
Well, the bottom of their lineup, and the guy who is supposed to be our best hitter.
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Kasper points out the Reds had lost 20 of 25 coming into the series.
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After La Stella makes his automatic out, Jackson is up to take his first Cubs AB.
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Why was Russell pulled?
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Double switch after he made the last out of the 5th.
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Russell was shown sitting on the bench about an inning ago, so I don't think he came out because of an injury. I think Maddon was overthinking...maybe he forgot he no longer had a really short bench.
Fowler with a 2 out single.
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Chris, I'm not sure I understand the need for the double switch in that situation.
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Yes it was Rodney. My mistake.
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More **** umpiring.
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Schwarber takes ball 4, but the umpire gives it to the Reds. Nowhere close.
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Now Schwarber swings at another ball 4 because the umpire didn't give him the first ball 4.
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Thanks ump!!!
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Schwarber gives the finger to the awful umpire. 5-4 Cubs.
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhbomb!
5-4 Cubs.
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Come on bullpen for Cubs sake hold this lead.
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Golfed out a change near the dirt 432 feet to center.
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Now the Cubs have a lead with 2 innings to go, but neither Strop or Rondon has pitched in a week. Hope they're not rusty--would've been nice to get one of them in instead of the mop up crew in the 9th last night.
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Better yet, let's get some insurance runs!
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Double for Coghlan.
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Been pretty obvious how important Schwarber has been to this offense. When's he's sat or struggled lately the Cubs have not scored.
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The rookies picking up Rizzo. Fantastic.
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Has Coghlan slumped this year? I mean, I know there have been stretches where he didn't get many hits...but it has seemed like he has still hit the ball well even when he's not getting hits. I was really wrong for wanting to replace him in the offseason.
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That was the most dramatic high fly ball easy out ever.
Good grief.
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Wow, I thought that was long gone. How did Suarez's ball go out when Bryant's ball didn't even get to the warning track?
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Nice inning for Strop. Hopefully Rondon is as sharp after his week off.
It looked like Phillips didn't really like Strop's celebration there.
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Strop is one crazy dude. Nice job to finally get Votto out even if he did hit it hard. Three more outs for a huge win.
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Prior to Schwarber's dinger, Badenhop had gone more than 50 innings without allowing a HR. That was HUGE.
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Actually, Phillips smiled and gave Strop a thumbs up. So that was kind of cool.
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Someone sit Baez down in front of video of Schwarber at-bats.
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Well, he drove that one to the track to move Montero over.
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Montero double, Baez fly to the track moves Montero to third. Would be nice to get this insurance run in.
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Jumbo hitting 100 mph.
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Pat and Ron really praising Baez for that at bat. Said it looked clear he was trying to go to right the entire at bat, even after two strikes.
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Baez flies out, advancing Montero to 3rd. He's only K'd once today.
mlb.com has listed all three pitches to LaStella at 100 mph.
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Infield in works against the Cubs of course.
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That La Stella for Vizcaino trade isn't looking very good so far.
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Zero leg kick in any AB for Baez. He had a couple hard hit balls to right center. He needs to lay off sliders on the outside corner, but an encouraging start for him.
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The Baez leg kick appears to been random. You'll see it again. I don't even think that's the problem. He just has too much going on with his swing to get around quick enough. That's been documented.
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With Ross back, shouldn't Berry have pinch run for Montero after the leadoff double? Isn't that kind of situation the only reason he's on the roster?
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Rondon falls behind 3-0, but comes back to get a grounder on 3-2. 1 out.
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Baez has twice the arm Russell does. Made that throw look like nothing.
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K, 2 outs.
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Rondon just hit 100 mph.
Wow, that was dominant after going 3-0 to Frazier.
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That was a big win.
An automated K zone and you might have a different outcome.
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Man, win tomorrow please and get these Reds out of town.
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The leg kick and being off balance was the big problem. Baez has little problem with velocity. He still has few things to tinker with his swing, but this is a huge improvement over last year.
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Nice win.
Getting runs via HR kind of efficient and necessary.
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CUBluejays, Baez still has the leg kick, just depends on the at-bat. And Russell has been helped by a leg kick. Also, Josh Donaldson, who's swings resembles Baez', thrives with a leg kick. I don't buy that being the issue.
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Dodgers up 1-0. Kershaw going tomorrow. If we can somehow win the game tomorrow the second wildcard lead might look really good all of a sudden.
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If we weren't paranoid Cubs fans, it would probably already look really good.
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Reds Wednesday starter Reisel Iglesias has six straight quality starts---last two starts with double figure Ks.
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There was a recent article on fangraphs showing how many cub hitters are using aggressive leg kicks. It seems as thought it may be something that's taught at the major league level.
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Baez has the leg kick and a long swing. He just has to commit to early to pitches to stay back on breaking balls. Russell and Donaldson aren't pointing the bat at the pitcher.
Baez also isn't rolling his back ankle from what I can tell. And that will give him better bat control. There are things he still has to clear up and tone down, but this is much better than last year. The leg kick may come back at times, but old habits die hard. Joc Pederson is going to have to do something similar.
Pitching him up and in is fine, that is what the are doing to Schwarber right now. The problem is when you miss up and in and it end up over the plate it is going to be 450 feet away.
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Russell and Donaldson aren't pointing the bat at the pitcher.
That's part of what I was getting at. Did you watch the video breakdown of Baez' swing? I don't think a leg-kick would be a problem at all if he didn't take so long to pre-load. His timing is complete hit or miss due to the moving parts. There's got to be a way to get all that extra motion out of his swing. He's overly aggressive too, but fixing the other problem would go a long way to making him a ML weapon.
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Epstein seems to think the leg-kick is a thing, but adding one has helped Russell so I doubt it. The swing is still pretty big w/out the kick.
“Javy’s put in a lot of work,” Epstein said. “He’s been really focused (on) keeping his approach under control, keeping his front foot down, limiting or even eliminating the leg kick.
“That’s been a process for him. It’s something that was gradual. He would embrace it, at times. Other times, he’d fall back into habits of a bigger leg kick and a bigger swing and a more violent approach. But gradually and over time, he’s become more consistent with it.”
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“It started to become second nature to him,” Epstein said. “When he can keep his front foot down and under control and limit that leg kick, everything gets more under control for him in the box.
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/javier-baez-returns-cubs-something-prove
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From what I understand, when batters use a leg kick, it's typically a timing mechanism. I'm guessing what Theo is saying is that in Javy's case, the leg kick is intricately tied to other aspects of his overly active swing, and that by limiting or eliminating the leg kick, it calms down the rest of his swing. In other words, it's not the leg kick, by itself, that is the problem, but what the leg kick initiates with the rest of his swing.
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In other words, it's not the leg kick, by itself, that is the problem, but what the leg kick initiates with the rest of his swing.
Did you watch the vid of Baez' swing in the other topic? Baez has about three steps to his pre-loading bat motion. By the time he gets the bat moving forward the ball is often more than halfway to the plate. Others with leg-kicks don't have all this early motion that throws off their timing.
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..Pitching him up and in is fine, that is what the are doing to Schwarber right now. The problem is when you miss up and in and it end up over the plate it is going to be 450 feet away.
On the season Baez has 13 HR's. Not bad, having only played 75 games, prorated to mid-20's. He hit 2 HR his first day back from DL. In the subsequent 33 games, he's hit 3 HR's. And 30 of his 42 hits have been singles.
The cliche has been that Baez has so much power, he can cut back without hurting (and perhaps helping) his power. Thus far the early small-sample evidence doesn't actually confirm that assumption.
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That's part of what I was getting at. Did you watch the video breakdown of Baez' swing? I don't think a leg-kick would be a problem at all if he didn't take so long to pre-load. His timing is complete hit or miss due to the moving parts. There's got to be a way to get all that extra motion out of his swing. He's overly aggressive too, but fixing the other problem would go a long way to making him a ML weapon.
He can do one or the other. Getting rid of the leg kick and calming so of the pre-swing movement is going to help a lot. He's going to K a lot, but he made some real changes that will help.
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On the season Baez has 13 HR's. Not bad, having only played 75 games, prorated to mid-20's. He hit 2 HR his first day back from DL. In the subsequent 33 games, he's hit 3 HR's. And 30 of his 42 hits have been singles.
The cliche has been that Baez has so much power, he can cut back without hurting (and perhaps helping) his power. Thus far the early small-sample evidence doesn't actually confirm that assumption.
He had so many stops and starts to his season that prorating mid 20 HR power *is* impressive. A good portion of his season was just getting his timing back. In the majors there are 2 2B with 15 or more HR and 4 SS. A mid 20's HR middle infielder is impressive by itself, but I still think Baez has 30 HR power if he can keep the K% between 25-30%.
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Yes. I suspect there are more than six big-league middle infielders who could hit more than 15 HR's in the minors, though.
Your point is also well taken that this whole season has been stops and starts.
I guess I'm just wondering about how to project the actual HR/power profile. Lots more guys seem to have 30-HR power potential than there are guys who actually hit 30 HR's in bigs. Reduction in HR's is one of the most common happenings from minors to majors. Substantial increases in K/HR ratios are usual.
Little point in asking, though, we can't know the future, we'll wait and see, and time will play out. Baez will still be only 23 next year, and there is plenty of adjustment left for him. Who knows where things will go?
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Here is the list for 50 (15+ HR) power MI at for the top 10 prospects at 2B/SS for MLB.com
SS
Corey Seager
Brendan Rogers
Franklin Barrato
Alex Bregman
2B
Yoan Moncada
You could add Russell and Correa to the list as well, but middle infield power is very rare. Seager and Barrato are also unlikely to stick at SS long term.
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I'll take 5 innings and 2 runs from Haren.
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I'll take 5 innings and 2 runs from Haren.
yep
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LaStella is starting at 2B today and the Cubs have 6 lefties in the lineup.
Raisel Iglesias splits in 80 IP.
Righties K% 37.1%
Lefties K% 13.6%
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Raisel Iglesias splits in 80 IP.
Righties K% 37.1%
Lefties K% 13.6%
vs RH WHIP 0.8
vs LH WHIP 1.6
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Schwarber scratched with rib soreness, Jackson starting in RF, Coghlan in LF.
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Schwarber scratched from today's lineup because of right rib soreness. New lineup:
CF Fowler
LF Coghlan
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
C Montero
RF Jackson
SS Russell
P Hammel
2B La Stella
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too slow...
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Pretty sure it happened when he dove for Votto's double last night. Last time a player got hurt diving for a ball in the outfield he went on the DL. Let's hope that isn't the case here because we can't afford to lose him. Gets today and tomorrow off and hopefully he's back in the lineup Friday.
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Schwarber getting an MRI. Hope is 2 days off will let things heal.
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I'm worried more about Rizzo.
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I'm worried more about Rizzo.
Yep.
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Well, that didn't take long. 1-0 Reds after two pitches.
The Reds were mathematically eliminated from the division race last night, by the way.
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Get ready for some Bartman replays on Baseball Tonight and MLB Network...Coghlan just made the play Alou was trying to make, so I'm sure they'll contrast them since they love breaking out the Bartman clip so much.
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Cubs go down 1-2-3 in the first. Two strikeouts, both lefties.
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2-0 Reds. It seems like Eugenio Suarez has done a lot of damage against the Cubs this year.
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At least Billy Hamilton is out.
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Iglesias' low strikeout rate against LHH isn't really working out so far. Through 4 LHH, he has a 100% strikeout rate against them today.
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Might help if they quit swinging at balls over their heads. 5/5
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Through 2 innings, all four lefties have K'd, and both righties have hit the ball to the outfield.
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Speaking of Ks. That is what Votto has done twice.
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La Stella breaks up the LHH K streak with a homer. 2-1.
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Tommy the Star with the second home run of his career. That pitch had some great movement on it and he still hit it out.
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Iglesias is throwing strikes. 38strikes/10balls. First 8 pitches in the 4th are all strikes/fouls.
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Rizzo finally does something. Tie game on a homer.
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Rizzo ties it up.
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After the Cubs tie it, Hammel is immediately in trouble again. Suarez with a leadoff double. I'm ready to see that guy leave town.
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Iglesias triple, 3-2 Reds. This rotation is really starting to become a problem.
The bottom part of the Reds lineup has killed the Cubs in this series.
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Bryant saves another run with a diving stop to his left.
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The bullpen is up in the 5th inning yet again.
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The Iglesias triple was on a hanger right in the middle of the plate...probably looked like a beach ball floating up there...
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Reds look like a team fighting for the playoffs.
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Another lousy performance from the back 60% of the rotation.
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The Cubs are going to have to scratch and claw all the way to the end of the season to make the playoffs. And that's not entirely bad.
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How did Cahill look?
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CSN is really ridiculous with how early they put things up on the little infobox in the top left corner of the screen. On a home run, they already change the score to include the runs scored by the batter and all baserunners as soon as the ball goes over the fence (even if the batter is only just rounding first), and just now they put a runner on second as soon as Austin Jackson's fly ball dropped for a hit. I saw the ball hit the ground, then saw the little runner icon, and was thinking I had missed a Cub hit or walk and was hoping to see that guy come around to score.
Don't "update" things that are about to happen. Stick with what just happened.
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We really needed another starter. The offense hasn't been good but it is what it is. But, I have no faith in any of the starters that start with the letter H. Hammel a little less but when any of those guys start I'm hoping they just make it 5 innings giving us a chance.
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How did Cahill look?
Gun had him mostly at 92/93 fastball with good movement breaking in and down on righty hitters, away on lefties. Change-up with similar movement. Kept ball down in the zone. If can do this consistently, will help. Might be a guy who will be better working exclusively in relief.
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Kris Bryant with a two-run homer, and it's a 4-4 game.
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Bryant ties it in the 8th. Too bad La Stella's ball went off Hoover's foot, because that was going to be a hit and the Cubs would be leading.
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Ugh, infield hit followed by an error by Bryant in the top of the 9th with 2 outs, and now Votto gets to hit.
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Let's see if Rondon can pick up Bryant here.
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Three run homer. Sloppy play kills the Cubs again.
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Maddon is a dumbass
You walk him
Cubs lose.
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Kris Bryant should not be playing third base.
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What a disappointment.
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This could have been a sweep for the Reds.
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BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO
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At some point, the Cubs are going to have to clean up the sloppiness. That ball was hit right at Bryant. He can't let that ball get through there.
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Chapman is wild today. Went 3-0 to Jackson, threw a strike, then gave up a hit. Went 3-2 on Russell before K'ing him, but two balls got past the catcher.
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I hate/love Joey Votto as a player.
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Denorfia hitting for Rondon, Baez on deck. If Denorfia could get on, a Baez-Chapman matchup would be interesting.
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3-1 to Denorfia.
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Walk. So Baez is the tying run.
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2-0 on Baez. Big swing coming up.
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That may have been the hardest swing I've ever seen on 3-1. I think it would've been over the video board if he'd made contact.
Groundout on 3-2. Fowler up as the last chance.
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That was a heck of a play by Frazier.
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Pathetic series.
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Fowler strikes out to end it. As sloppy as Chapman was, he could still dial it up to 101 to whiff our guys.
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Sloppiness is the only thing that can keep this team out of the playoffs this year. All Bryant has to do is knock that ball down and he has time to pick it up and throw out Bruce. They just give other teams too many extra chances.
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The Cubs badly need to win the D'Back series this weekend.
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We still have a comfortable lead in the Wild Card so I wont complain much.
Just get in the playoffs and lets see what happens.
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It's understandable, but there just might be a tad of over-reaction to this tough loss.
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It's understandable, but there just might be a tad of over-reaction to this tough loss.
BACK UP THE TRUCK! DFA'EM ALL! TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE!
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Get a day off to relax. Hopefully Schwarber is back on Friday. Lester and Arrieta going against the Dbacks. Really need to take 2 out of 3 before we start playing the Cards and Pirates (and the Phillies who we have yet to beat this year). 30 games left and it is probablu going to get tight before it is all said and done.
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My inclination would be to start Baez at 2B just about everyday and see if he gets on a roll. They'll need something like that to happen if they're going to make a splash in the postseason.
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I think Lester and Arietta catching fire would be enough to win us a NL pennant.
The D'Backs did it with Big Unit and Schilling.
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It's understandable, but there just might be a tad of over-reaction to this tough loss.
It's 6 of 7 and the offense is back to where it was a few weeks ago, plus they only have 2 decent starters right now.
If the Giants lose tonight it will help today's loss somewhat.
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Emotional reactions always happen during an after games. That said, losing 2-3 at home to that Reds squad is nauseating. Schwarber's health should be the main concern right now though.
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Anyone hoping for a meaningful contribution down the stretch from Javier Baez had to be more than a little disappointed when he swung so hard that he fell to the ground in the bottom of the ninth..
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Baez pulled a 99 fastball same AB and Frazier made nice play to get a force at the bag. Folks might want to settle down a bit and wait for a more significant # of PAs before getting bent out of shape about Baez.
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The bending out of shape about Baez is happening on the sewer that is social media, not here.
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If you're not already concerned about Javy by now you havent been paying attention.
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Yes Baez will be able to pull some balls but until he gets his bar into a better hitting position he's going to struggle. He has his bat cocked forward too far for too long. I was wondering why anyone and everyone kept getting called up before him. This is why. He hadn't made the adjustments hr needs to make yet. That's not saying he won't be a good, or even great player, but he's not close yet.
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Baez certainly is not a great, or even good player right now. I don't think anyone has maintained that he is at this point.
In fact, I don't think that anyone is saying that he WILL be so in the future. Merely that he MIGHT be in the future, and that his potential is good enough that it is in the Cubs best long term interest to give him every reasonable opportunity.
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Baez might stink but they cannot put Castro and his defense back out there.
With the way the pitching staff has been (4 starters aren't very good) and the offense is so up and down they aren't going anywhere in the playoffs if they make it. Not this season.
Play Baez everyday.
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Yes Baez will be able to pull some balls but until he gets his bar into a better hitting position he's going to struggle. He has his bat cocked forward too far for too long. I was wondering why anyone and everyone kept getting called up before him. This is why. He hadn't made the adjustments hr needs to make yet. That's not saying he won't be a good, or even great player, but he's not close yet.
Seriously doubt anyone here is a hitting guru qualified to identify the precise mechanical adjustment(s) that Baez should make. Read this stuff all the time about this guy and that guy. Videos abound in slow motion, or frame-by-frame. Pitchers too. Maybe, mostly pitchers. Same out there too when some folks thought Baez was making positive adjustments. We just don't know the formula. If it was that simple, it would be fixed already.
There are a million ways to hit, or not hit, and each hitter is different. Mechanics are complicated because some things work for some guys and don't work for others. Things work---and then don't work. No idea what will end up working for Baez and what won't. Cubs coaches probably don't either. Trial and error. Maybe it will be futile because he doesn't have the goods to begin with. Who knows.
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Lol
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Btw, Votto since the All-Star break has a .576 OBP. OPS at a ridiculous 1.320. Really too bad we had to face him (and chose to pitch to him?) in the 9th.
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Votto was 5/10 with 4 BB and 2 HR in the series. He might be in a groove.
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All players have their peaks and valleys - hoping Rizzo gets hot after yesterday's blast
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Godley (4-0, 1.90 ERA) vs, Lester (8-10, 3.59 ERA)
Great.
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Godley (4-0, 1.90 ERA) vs, Lester (8-10, 3.59 ERA)
Great.
No need to worry. Lester has a better FIP, 3.06 for Lester compared to 3.59 Godley, and everyone who understands advanced sabermetrics knows that FIP has a vastly greater predictive value of future performance than ERA. ERA and W/L records are for chumps.
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Hopefully the Cubs have a good scouting report on Godley since he was one of the guys sent to Arizona for Montero. It sounds like Goldschmidt may miss today's game as he just became a new father. If he does, this becomes as close to a must win as it gets with a 7 game lead.
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Cubs lineup: Fowler-Jackson-Coghlan-Rizzo-Bryant-Baez-Ross-Lester-Russell
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Schwarber out 3-5 days with a rib cage strain.
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I assume Jackson in RF and Coghlan in LF?
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W. Castillo batting clean-up for DBacks, with Goldschmidt out. Yeah, Jackson RF for Cubs.
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Early call to the pen....
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Cubs up 1-0 after 5 batters (single, 3 BBs). Godley looks a lot like Hendricks did against Votto and Frazier in the Reds series--he just doesn't want to throw anything close.
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Baez with a rare RBI walk for him!
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I thought Godley was supposed to be good.....
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Good AB by Javy.
Right there was where he would have normally tried to hit it in the lake.
3-0 Good Guys
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Ross hits a sacrifice fly to get a third run in, but Lester grounds to second to end the inning. Wish the pitcher weren't batting 8th today.
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Or any other day.
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Yeah, it would have been nice if Russell had come up last inning.
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As you know, we can't assume the batter gets same pitch to hit with bases loaded that he got with bases empty.
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Did Len/JD say something about Edwards call-up?
Transactions page says he's been called up.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/transactions
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They haven't mentioned it yet...
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Baez gets his first hit. Still hasn't K'd since his first AB.
Rizzo and Bryant both hit some pretty long balls that didn't go out. Couple days ago, both would have probably been HR's.
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Lester isn't at his best today. He's over 70 pitches with only 2 outs in the 4th.
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Lester is laboring, but finally gives up first run in the 4th, but gets out. He's at 74 pitches after 4.
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Lester has reached base! 4-pitch walk to lead off.
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Good eye to lay off that 3-0 pitch.
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Russell! Nice day for Addison.
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Nice job Russell.
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Lester scores a rare run, and gets to jog all the way.
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Bob Brenly on the new video boards: "They block the view of some of the rooftop fans but it doesn't matter. They can't see by the end of the game anyway.
Brenly on conducting the 7th inning stretch: "It's easy. The fans having been sitting there drinking beer for 2½ hours and don't care what you do".
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Lester gives up a single, SB, SB, and double, and the Diamondbacks have their second run.
Lester is over 80 pitches, and Grimm is up in the bullpen in the 5th inning. We really need Lester to go deep in games with the way Hammel, Hendricks, and Haren have been pitching.
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I'll settle for 6 from Lester today.
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I think it's going to be a stretch for him to get through 6, though. He'll be at 90+ pitches at the end of the inning, and he's due up third in the bottom of the 5th. If they have a chance to add on, Maddon will pinch hit for him.
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Inciarte steals 2nd and 3rd on the first two pitches. Why other teams wait around so long before stealing is somewhat puzzling, sometimes. AZ gets their second run, another ball goes just foul that would have been a double, wind blowing in keeps a long fly easily in the park, gets 2nd out, only one run in so far this inning. Lester pops Welington Castillo to get out of the 5th 6-2, he's at 91 pitches.
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Baez uses his cut-down swing to inside-out bloop an off speed pitch to right for a single. 2-2 and a walk today. Tries to steal 2nd and Welington throws him out.
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After baez gets thrown out trying to steal, Ross doubles.
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Shocked Baez slid in left hand first.. Good to see him shorten up, though, with two strikes. Play was very, very close at second.
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Baez is wearing what looks to be a blue oven mitt on his left hand while running the bases...presumably to protect his fingers.
He showed no fear sliding head-first into 2B on the SB attempt...
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LOL! that 1-0 pitch to Russell hasn't been a strike all day!
The 1-1 was a better pitch, and it was called a ball...
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Ross should have tried to score there.
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Jackson! First hit and RBI as a Cub.
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Makes Ross holding look better.
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Rizzo grand slam. 12-2.
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Rizzo is back.
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Lester scores his second career run, and again he doesn't have to run very hard.
Now Rizzo with a no-doubter. 12-2, and I think we can relax.
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Bryant legs out an infield hit on a slow 2-hopper to 3rd.
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12-2 Cubs and Bryant runs down to first hard enough to beat out a grounder to third.
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Baez, long 2-run HR. 14-2.
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Save some for tomorrow!
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No leg kick.
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Oh my.
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Baez crushes a hanging slider deep into the bleachers in LF.
The wind is blowing in, for those not watching or listening...
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Beautiful swing by Baez, who followed that breaking ball all the way.
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They're claiming that this pitcher Silvio Bracho is 5'11", which would make him around Travis Wood's size; he looks about a foot shorter than that.
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When the DBacks come back in this one it will be a crushing defeat
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(I'm trying to keep the spirit of the board. )
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Javy looks good today.
Starlin's hearing footsteps...
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When the DBacks come back in this one it will be a crushing defeat
Attaboy, Curt.
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Hopefully we can see some of the call-ups get in today. Berry? Is Edwards in the bullpen?
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Maddon feels it would be safe to use Hunter in this game.
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I don't know if it's going to last, but today's Javier Baez sure does look really different at the plate than last year's version. He's looked really comfortable and in control of himself at the plate.
Kind of exciting to imagine that he's made the adjustments that the Cubs have hoped for. Awesome to think of a lineup with Rizzo, Bryant, Russell, Schwarber and Baez (oh, and Soler).
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With Quinton Berry coming into the game, of the first initials of the nine men in the Cubs' batting order, only Coghlan and Ross do not fit on playing cards. We've got three aces, three jacks, and a queen in the lineup.
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Hunter blows.
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With Quinton Berry coming into the game, of the first initials of the nine men in the Cubs' batting order, only Coghlan and Ross do not fit on playing cards. We've got three aces, three jacks, and a queen in the lineup.
Let's keep sexual orientation off the board as part of our discussion.
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How does Grimm get a HOLD with a 12 run lead?
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Without much exertion.
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I have said this for over a year Baez has the most upside of any of our stud hitters. He is also probably the greatest risk to flame out as well. The kid can flat out hit
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According to Elias, DBacks have tied MLB record for using most relievers in a game that nobody ever heard of.
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Castro batting at exactly .700 OPS.
Lot of pressure this AB.
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.699.
There goes his trade value.
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I have heard of the game.
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You're off by 100 points. Castro's OPS is .599 now.
Why is Hale challenging a call in the 8th inning of a 10 run game?
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Hale Mary?
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Yeah, thought that .700 looked awfully wrong.
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I would get Wada out of there soon.
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According to Elias, DBacks have tied MLB record for using most relievers in a game that nobody ever heard of.
The game or the relievers?
Oops P2 beat me. Again.
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Yeah, thought that .700 looked awfully wrong.
Everything goes up by 100 when you score 14. It's in the CBA.
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Sounds like Baez, Castro and Russell in the infield against the lefty tomorrow and Bryant will be in LF/RF.
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Why would he put Castro out there? He no longer deserves a spot on this team.
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Lineup:
Fowler-Jackson-Bryant-Rizzo-Baez-Castro-Ross-Arrieta-Russell
Is Robbie Ray really the type of LHP that Montero needs to sit against? With Schwarber and Coghlan already out of the lineup, they really can't afford to have Montero out too.
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Fowler CF, Jackson RF, Bryant LF, Rizzo 1B, Baez 3B, Castro 2B, Ross C, Arrieta P, Russell SS
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Arrieta not very sharp in the first--two line outs to the outfield, followed by two singles. First and third, 2 outs.
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Saltalamacchia Ks on the 25th pitch of the inning.
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Another hit to lead off the 2nd. With Lester failing to go deep yesterday and Hendrick, Hammel, and Haren pitching the next three days, the Cubs really need Arrieta to be more efficient than this.
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Nice 1-6-3 DP to erase the runner.
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Inciarte with fabulous quick release throw to double up Jackson. Made it look effortless.
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Rizzo leads off 4th with a single. Baez works a longish walk, not fishing for some change ups or slider. Castro up.
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CAstro singles to right, bases loaded not out. Getting things set up for David Ross and Arrieta.
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Coomer says Cubs got lucky on Castro's single. Rizzo stopped at 3rd, but he said Baez had gone way past 2nd base expecting to go to third. If the outfield throw had hit the cutoff, Coomer thought they'd have caught Baez at 2nd.
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Ross gets down 0-2, works count to 3-2, hits a high bouncer that scores a run, both runners advance.
1-0 Cubs.
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One of this situations where wish pitcher wasn't batting 8th. 2nd-3rd, 1 out, 8th batter up, but it's Arrieta.
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Arrieta goes for a safety-squeeze on 2-2 pitch, but takes it for ball 3. Whiffs on 3-2 count on a pitch that might have been ball 4.
Would be nice time for Russell to get a hit.
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Baez with 2 walks and 2 strike outs since being called up. It was a great AB.
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Russell lets go of the bat again. That's really a problem for him.
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1 run with the bases loaded and 0 outs.
They were lucky to get the one I guess.
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Russell also K's on 3-2. Ray up to 80 pitches, 1-0 after 4, Cubs with 3 hits.
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Russell is really going to hurt someone if he keeps throwing his bat into the stands. I wonder why he's been struggling so much against lefties this year.
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Why would he put Castro out there? He no longer deserves a spot on this team.
Castro has two hits so far!
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Arrieta has really settled in now. Would be nice to add a few more runs anyway, though.
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Fowler tags one deep. 2-0 in the 5th.
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It looks effortless for Arrieta the last couple of innings. He might be able to go 8 if the Cubs want him to go that deep.
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Arrieta due to leadoff in the 7th. We'll see how many pitches he has after this inning. 91 after a battle with Goldschmidt that leads to a K.
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Castro has two hits so far!
He needs to be released after this season no matter what he does after this one.
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That Saltalamacchia double probably means that this will be Arrieta's last inning. He's over 100 pitches now.
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Castro has two hits so far!
He needs to be released after this season no matter what he does after this one.
That's right. jbn doesn't like him. Period. His performance doesn't matter. And roster decisions need to be made not based on what is best for the team, but based on the personal bias of a fan with a hardon.
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Great grab by Rizzo at first to end the inning.
At first the runner was called safe, but it was reversed. I can't get over how many more calls go this way compared to calls that initially go in the Cubs' favor but are reversed.
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Arrieta will probably start the 8th.
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Nice play by Rizzo to hold the bag there. Another dominant outing from Arrieta; his ERA is down to 2.04. I think if he gets his ERA below 2.00, it becomes a lot easier for him to beat Greinke for the Cy Young.
Arrieta hitting for himself, so it looks like he'll pitch the 8th.
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Nice play by Rizzo to hold the bag there. Another dominant outing from Arrieta; his ERA is down to 2.04. I think if he gets his ERA below 2.00, it becomes a lot easier for him to beat Greinke for the Cy Young.
While that might be true, I certainly hope it is not entering into Maddon's decision on Arrieta's use.
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Jesbeard, go blow it out your ass.
Castro had his chances, his defense has never improved. His hitting has regressed. He's too slow on the bases. Leads the team hitting into double plays and errors. Has nothing to do with a hardon. (surprised you know what that is)
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This will be Arrieta's last inning, I imagine. And he'll may well be pulled if anyone gets on here.
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Yeah, it looks like Strop is ready. I'm sure Arrieta won't pitch with anyone on base this inning.
2 outs, though.
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Another phenomenal game for Arrieta.
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More great defense by Rizzo.
2-0 bottom of the 8th.
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Inciarte reaches on an error to start the 9th. Come on, Cubs.
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Really weak defensive play by Rondon to allow the tying run to come up.
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Lovely 5-4-3.
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5-4-3!!! 2 outs.
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Great defense for the double play.
All the way around. Bryant to Baez to Rizzo.
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Goldschmidt coming up with no one on base is huge.
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Bryant makes up for that Cincinnati game.
One out to go.
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Another hit.
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Cubs Win.
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Big win there.
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Cubs win!
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The ball that got by Rondon to start the 9th was called a hit?
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I think so. He never touched it.
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Yes
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Terrible effort to score runs. Nationals are going to catch us.
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Scoring of errors just doesn't make sense sometimes. If that ball had bounced an extra inch higher and skimmed off Rondon's glove, it would've been an error. But because he fielded it so poorly that he didn't even get a glove on it, it's a hit.
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Need Hendricks to give us a chance tomorrow. But, I'm very happy to win this series. They had to take these two games. A win tomorrow gives us a 4-2 homestand and would make me forget all about the Reds series. Let's keep it going before this really tough roadtrip. After tomorrow, 10 of the next 14 games are against 2 of the top 3 teams in baseball. And we start that stretch with Haren on the mound against the best team in baseball.
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Good points, PRCubFan! Cubs deserve to be very proud of what they've accomplished so far...and there remains a LONG way to go before the playoffs.
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Need Hendricks to give us a chance tomorrow. But, I'm very happy to win this series. They had to take these two games. A win tomorrow gives us a 4-2 homestand and would make me forget all about the Reds series. Let's keep it going before this really tough roadtrip. After tomorrow, 10 of the next 14 games are against 2 of the top 3 teams in baseball. And we start that stretch with Haren on the mound against the best team in baseball.
Aren't we one of the top teams in baseball? I thought I heard that somewhere.
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Can we mention that we have 7-5 record against the Pirates and the 4th best winning percentage in baseball?
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Can we mention that we have 7-5 record against the Pirates and the 4th best winning percentage in baseball?
Shhhhh. Until the Cubs reach the playoffs, it's too soon to enjoy the season (if then). ;)
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Diamondbacks: Goldschmidt, who leads Arizona with a .322 batting average, 27 homers and 97 RBIs, said his wife and son were doing well. ''Had the baby on Wednesday afternoon, baby boy Jake, he's doing great, Amy's doing great,'' he said.
Folks, Arrieta is so amazing that opposing players are naming their newborn sons after him.
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Baez is starting again today.
If the Cubs lose it is my fault, I put on a Cubs T-Shirt this AM.
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According to the mlb.com lineup, Baez is at SS today and Russell is at 2B. A mistake by mlb.com, a switch he is contemplating (Baez has a better arm but Russell is so smooth at SS), or Maddon just being Maddon?
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Maybe management isn't entirely convinced that Baez is not the best option at SS?
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Well, that terminates our hope for the playoffs.
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It was a mistake by mlb.com. Baez is now listed at 2B and Russell at SS.
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Whew. Dodged a bullet.
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It's remarkable to have so many interchangable parts at 2B-SS. I'm hoping that Baez settles in at 2B and our everyday lineup thereby becomes a bit more consistent.
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Leadoff walk doesn't engender the confidence in Hendricks I was looking for.
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Wow, what a pickup by Baez to get the baserunner trying to steal.
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Yeah, tag ability very underrated part of playing MIF. Nice job by Baez.
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All year that throw has ended up in center field. He made that play casually.
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Ends up as 12-pitch inning for Hendricks. Started out iffy.
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All year that throw has ended up in center field.
I wonder why?
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Len and DJ were already saying it last year, but if Baez can merely be average at the plate, he will make an outstanding player because of his ability and instincts both in the field and on the bases. Anything beyond that makes him a star, and if he reaches his offensive capability, a superstar.
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Mike Olt has fanned in his first two at-bats with the White Sox today.
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Can't stress enough how important it is to have a good, left-handed first basemen.
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Baez didn't make a lot of errors in the minors for no reason. That was too casual.
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Cubs making Rubby De La Rosa look pretty invincible.
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After 10 whole batters. We might as well concede at this point.
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1-0 Arizona
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4th inning and the bullpen is up.
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Welington Castillo puts the D'Backs ahead.
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Bryant hits one off the video board in LF.
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Bryant breaks up the no-hitter. 1-1. Long blast.
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495 feet. That was a blast. High off the videoboard.
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Estimated 495'...it was high off the board...
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Hendricks taken down for La Stella. I assume if he could bunt he might be allowed to do that.
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Followed up with hits for Montero and Baez. Rubby not looking quite so invincible this inning.
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Longest HR of the year.
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You were really bothered by that comment, weren't you Dihard?
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Strange things happening now. Russell hustles out a single after a grounder to 3rd in which Baez holds.
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1 run out of all that. That was some pretty bad offense other than the Bryant homer.
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Consecutive K's with the bases loaded. 1 run in 5 innings.
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You were really bothered by that comment, weren't you Dihard?
Not a bit. Whenever someone posts something like that, it usually leads to the Cubs doing something to make it look silly.
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It was an accurate observation. And they still haven't done much of anything.
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Grimm still doesn't look himself, but the Cubs gets break on a liner that turns into two on a hit-and-run.
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Two on for Bryant.
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2nd and 3rd, 0 outs with Bryant up.
If they don't score here....
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2-0 after a wild pitch.
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Bases loaded for Rizzo.
There is a fan on the field, or there was.
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Montero, not Rizzo.
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GRAND SLAM!!!!
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The fan who ran on to the field was apparently taken down by security before he crossed the base line. Nice job getting yourself banned for life and not even making the best of it.
MONTERO!!!
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Sure beats a K.
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After 10 whole batters. We might as well concede at this point.
Okay, now I concede.
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Homers are nice - Craig Jasperse.
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Herrera with a homer to right.
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Craig was right.
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Herrera just took a curtain call when no one was asking for it.
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Herrera with a homer to right.
Strange. He shouldn't even be on the team!
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Herrera just took a curtain call when no one was asking for it.
Mrs. Herrera demanded it.
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Lost in the Jonathan Herrera HR, I love Javy at the plate. If he can keep up his approach, oh my.
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Fowler fans to end the inning but Diamondbacks pitcher Bracho didn't know it was the third out.
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Did the Cubs bat 1000 with runners in scoring position that inning?
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Rodney sucks
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Rodney puts two on to start the 7th, and is 2-0 to Owings. There's a reason the Mariners didn't want this guy even though they have a bad bullpen.
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Gift call on 2-0 with two on.
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Rodney's change is still very good. FB command seems to be the biggest issue.
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Rodney works out of it.
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That ball was crushed but Baez caught it.
Big break there.
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Stuff is significantly better than Soriano's. If they can get his command straightened out he might still be useful.
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John Hirshbeck isn't very good.
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Command has been a problem for Rodney in every year of his career other than 2012, though. I think it's doubtful at this point that he'll ever find any kind of consistency with his command.
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Should've been 1st and 3rd for Bryant. Thanks to Hirshbeck it wasn't and both Rizzo and Bryant fail to get Fowler home.
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Here's the guy who got taken down by security earlier:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COP3g56UsAAkbzF.jpg)
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John Hirshbeck isn't very good.
https://www.the-newshub.com/baseball/the-best-and-worst-umpires-in-baseball
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Is that grading on a curve? He's had a bad day today. Screwy strikezone and he missed an easy play when Rizzo was hit by a pitch but claimed Rizzo swung.
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Pretty sure two of the strikes called to Baez were balls as well.
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Yeah, he missed Rizzo call but widely respected around the game.
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6-4 game
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Cubs finally win.
Bad 9th for the bullpen.
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Nick Ahmed. He and Hamilton would be stocking shelves if it weren't for the Cubs.
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How huge has Montero been this year?!
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Cubs magic numbers:
To eliminate the Nationals from the wild card: 20
To eliminate the Giants from the wild card: 19
To finish with a better record than the Mets: 24
If the Cubs go 13-14 the rest of the way, the Nationals can only lose six and the Giants can only lose five--and even then, they only tie the Cubs.
In order for an NL East team to take the Wild Card from the Cubs, both the Mets and Nationals have to overtake the Cubs. That's extremely unlikely, especially since the Mets and Nationals have six games remaining with each other. If they split those games, the Nationals are pretty much done. If either team gets dominated in those games, that team is unlikely to be able to catch the Cubs.
Bottom line--we're to the point where if the Cubs play .500 the rest of the way, the Giants or Nationals would have to play about .800 ball to catch them. Even if the Nationals caught the Cubs, the Mets would also have to play about .650 ball for it to potentially cost the Cubs the wild card spot. And since the Nationals and Mets play each other for just under a quarter of their remaining schedules, both teams playing that well is virtually impossible.
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We really are lucky to have Miguel Montero instead of Russell Martin.
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.......If the Cubs go 13-14 the rest of the way, the Nationals can only lose six and the Giants can only lose five--and even then, they only tie the Cubs.........Bottom line--we're to the point where if the Cubs play .500 the rest of the way......
Okay, some here thought, as late as July, that it was very, very likely 2015 was only an upcoming trailer for the real show to begin in future seasons----so, don't get too excited about 2015. Some thought, on other hand, why not now?
But, whatever one thought before, a reminder that there is no lock that Cubs will win at .500 or even 13-14 rest of the way. It can be tough to win games in September. Odds are excellent but 162 game season can surprise you. I would not necessarily assume .500.
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But, whatever one thought before, a reminder that there is no lock that Cubs will win at .500 or even 13-14 rest of the way. It can be tough to win games in September. Odds are excellent but 162 game season can surprise you. I would not necessarily assume .500.
True that it is no lock... but would you like to bet against it if I give you 5-4 odds?
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ESPN statcast is claiming Bryant's homer went 467. The 495 number is apparently an estimate of how far it would've gone had the scoreboard not been in the way.
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Labor Day lineup:
CF Fowler - 3B La Stella - LF Coghlan - 1B Rizzo - RF Bryant - C Montero - 2B Castro - P Haren - SS Russell
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BOOOO!!! We want Baez!
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A fine start!
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Castro with another hit, to right. mlb says "line drive"; did he hit it hard? He's been going opposite way more frequently lately, it seems.
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Not only are Cub pitchers bad at hitting, but they are very bad at bunting, too. Haren fails a couple of bunts and then K's.
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Russell walks, Fowler hits a 2-run double that outfielder didn't play very well.
3-0.
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FOWLER!
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Maybe Dempster can work with them next spring
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Fowlers doubles in two more!
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HR Haren gets lucky, Molina just misses HR and gets only 2-out double.
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K's Jay, two shutout innings for Haren.
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Rizzo doubles in #4!
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5-0 on an rbi single by Montero.
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HaRen
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If you told me a starter was only going to last into the third inning in this game, I would have bet a lot of money it wasn't going to be Lynn.
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Lynn is pulled with 1 out and 1 on in the 3rd.
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RUSSELL!
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Russell! 8-0
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Well this is a fun game so far.
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Save some for tomorrow!
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No television...780 & gamecast only but, the results ,so far, are excellent...Go Cubs!
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Lynn vs Haren wasn't a matchup I was looking forward to... :)
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Haren starting to struggle.
Need a DP here.
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What is the word on Haren...has he lost velocity, movement? Is he tipping? What?
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DP play ball up the middle kicks of Haren's foot, bases loaded.
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Nice play by La Stella.
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Out of the inning, still 8-0.
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He got out of it.
Heck of a sliding catch by Le Stella
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Nice catch by LaStella, Haren gets out. 4 shutout innings, very nice.
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Nice escape by Haren. Let's get some more runs.
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Molina pulled in the 5th inning.
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Pirates lose. If the Cubs can hold on, they'll only be two games behind the Pirates.
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RBI sac fly for Haren. 9-0.
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Pirates lose. If the Cubs can hold on, they'll only be two games behind the Pirates.
How much extra revenue does a playoff home game make, I wonder? Cubs have seemed to have really good energy at home this season. I'd love to have that game be in Wrigley rather than Pittsburgh.
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I take back everything bad I've said about Haren*.
*at least until his next bad start.
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How much extra revenue does a playoff home game make, I wonder? Cubs have seemed to have really good energy at home this season. I'd love to have that game be in Wrigley rather than Pittsburgh.
It looks like the Cubs would only get to keep non-ticket revenue. According to a fangraphs post ticket revenue for the wild card game is split 4 ways. 15% of every playoff game goes to the commish's office. 50% goes to the players pool. The 2 teams split the remaining 35%. For the divisional series the only change is 60% of the first 3 games goes to the players pool.
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Odd. Best fans in baseball look pissed.
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Dan friggin Haren. Wow.
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I'm just disappointed Chris isn't here to tell us how Haren's velocity is gone, or how Bryant leads the world in strikeouts, or how Fowler has the worst batting average in the NL with RISP...
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Edwards pitching the 8th.
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Edwards allowed a walk, then got a DP, then a ground out.
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Some impressive movement on Rosscup's pitches.
Let's see him get a fourth strikeout this inning to win it.
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Rosscup with a chance for a 4 strikeout inning. It would be nice if he could show enough in the next month to make the postseason roster.
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Magic number is 18.
The Cardinals' magic number for eliminating the Cubs is 19.
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Rosscup has Bullinger-like
tendencies appendages.
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I'm just disappointed Chris isn't here to tell us how Haren's velocity is gone, or how Bryant leads the world in strikeouts, or how Fowler has the worst batting average in the NL with RISP...
Aside from the gratuitous attack, I'm disappointed you don't pay close enough attention to my comments to put up better snark. Not that you care, but I said Haren would be a good target to get prior to the deadline. Others have complained about Haren, not me. I've never said anything about Fowler either. Bryant is going to strikeout 200+ times which may be a good thing in your book. Perhaps we value contact differently.
That said, this is still a good win. Too bad you decided to concentrate on my absence rather than the game.
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Is C. J. Edwards really wearing #6?
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/9555/
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And, as expected, you completely miss the point...
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In all fairness, only 44% of the Cubs runs resulted from base runners in scoring position.
They miserably failed to even get into scoring position for the other 56%.
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Guys... guys. Let's not fight. Our team is 21 games over .500, we've got great odds of going to the playoffs, and we just humiliated the Cardinals. Today was a good day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RySHMuLN4Jg
Don't worry. Be happy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv-Fk1PwVeU
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Nice thing this year has been the bounce-back. They were red hot for a while. Then cool off, you lose three series in a row, but now it's right back to 4-straight wins. so even since the hot streak ended, and we lost series to San Fran, LA, and vs Cinci, we're still 7-6 since the hot streak ended. Pretty fun.
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And let's not forget, only one of Fowler's 3 RBI involved a runner in scoring position. That's a fairly appalling 67% failure rate.
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No, I got your "point" ham-handed as it was. If my posts bother you so much you can always skip them or ignore them.
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Actually...after many years of reading, I would probably miss them if you stopped. I decided a long time ago that your negativism is just how you cope...and your posting of minor league scores more than make up for it.
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Guys... guys. Let's not fight. Our team is 21 games over .500, we've got great odds of going to the playoffs, and we just humiliated the Cardinals. Today was a good day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RySHMuLN4Jg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RySHMuLN4Jg)
Don't worry. Be happy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv-Fk1PwVeU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv-Fk1PwVeU)
https://youtu.be/42IWC7TZJdo (https://youtu.be/42IWC7TZJdo)
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Just for my create a player on The Show does CJ Edwards's windup and delivery remind anybody of anyone in particular?
Seriously.
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Juan Cruz a bit, unfortunately. Command looks about the same too.
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No, I got your "point" ham-handed as it was. If my posts bother you so much you can always skip them or ignore them.
Nothing I do is ham-handed, and skipping and/or ignoring posts is not a luxury I have.
As FDISK said, your constant negativity is a source of amusement (and curious wonder) for many of us here, and your quality minor league posts more than make up for your Debbie Downer posts in TG...
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I say who cares who's positive, negative, mad, sad, happy, pissed off, etc...if that's the way you want to enjoy the season so be it.
No use in bickering over it.
By the way, other than the no hitter last week, this was their best played game even with Haren and Castro on the field.
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I say who
By the way, other than the no hitter last week, this was their best played game even with Haren and Castro on the field.
this kind of positive comment cannot be tolerated
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Best I could come up with
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Fangraphs updated playoff odds:
Cubs overall playoff chances: 98.8%
Cubs odds of winning the division: 2.3%
Odds that someone outside the NL Central wins a wild card: 1.3%
So basically, the Cubs odds to win the division are almost twice as high as the Mets/Dodgers/Nationals/Giants odds of passing the Cubs for a wild card spot.
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Nothing I do is ham-handed
Your post earlier today to no-one in particular about a person who wasn't here was the definition of subtle.
and your quality minor league posts more than make up for your Debbie Downer posts in TG...
I also make many salient points in TG. Don't leave that out.
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I also make many salient points in TG. Don't leave that out.
Actually, far more than Dave23, whose hands, by the way, look like this:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR5mokcYkpZbE3RHgeFFnwtSKN_CGx7hqXA71Z9wPs_lQJ7B07JtA)
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Oh, I just got burned...
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ha-ha... this place is a riot
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Oh, I just got burned...
You just got BBQ'd.
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The weather doesn't look good for tonight's game. It doesn't look good at game time tomorrow afternoon either, although it should clear up enough in the afternoon that I'm sure they'll eventually play it.
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Fowler is getting the night off if they end up playing tonight.
CF Jackson
2B Castro
LF Coghlan
1B Rizzo
RF Bryant
C Montero
3B Baez
P Hammel
SS Russell
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The weather doesn't look good for tonight's game.
The pitching matchup doesn't look for tonight's game, either. Molina, Peralta, and Heyward all have sick numbers against Hamel.
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Yesterdays didnt look good either.
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Luckily, Hammel is pitching for us.
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Heh
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Thought that didn't look right. . . .
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Castro takes his first walk since August 7.
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Rizzo, 2-0.
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RIZZO!
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Derrick Goold @dgoold
In 10 years of this new Busch Stadium, that is loudest cheer I've heard for a home run by an opposing player. #Cubs representing. #Cardinals
That was Rizzo's 100th career homer.
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After getting Carpenter to K on three pitches, Hammel walks the next two batters.
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After going 1-0 to Molina, Bosio and the entire infield come to the mound to tell Hammel to start throwing strikes.
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DP
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Molina 6-4-3. That was a break, because Hammel was looking pretty bad.
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Did Molina quit running on that or is he just that slow?
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What a great AB by Baez.
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Man, that ball really came off Baez's bat. We need more statcast updates in game, I really want to know how hard he hit that one.
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Both
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That came after a two minute dissertation from McCarver and McGlaughlin about Baez' K issues.
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3-0 on a Hammel single.
Russell flies out on the second pitch. Still, 41 pitches already for Wacha and he's down 3-0.
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Baez can really run. Why that part of his game gets ignored by the prospect experts I have no idea.
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CASTRO!!! 6-0.
Now let's rush through 5 innings before the rain comes.
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Castro! 6-0.
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Rain starting now.
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This is fun.
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We have to get rid of Castro quickly, before he starts to make JBN look bad.
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Is there really a chance this one gets rained out? That would suck.
It is interesting that both Lynn and Wacha struggled righr after being skipped. Martinez also struggled when he was skipped.
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There's a very good chance.
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Rizzo just missed making it 8-0.
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Rizzo just misses another one.
How is the rain?
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Rizzo about 5 feet away from making it 8-0...
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Just checked Weather Channel, and the hourly forecast has rain chances of 15% or lower through midnight. So we should get this one in.
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Actually, radar looks good for a few hours, maybe. After that it's going to pour.
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There's Chris with that negativity again. Notice how he just can't say that the sun is shining?
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It's kind of fun to hear the Cardinals announcers just stunned right now.
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I like this.
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Coghlan with a nice running catch. That's a ball he doesn't catch last year.
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We have to get rid of Castro quickly, before he starts to make JBN look bad.
Burned as well
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I like this.
I love it!
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Hammel Ks Jay. 40 pitches through 2 innings. He's not real sharp, but hopefully he can settle in and work through 6 innings tonight.
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Hammel's stuff looks good to me. The Cardinals just have some LH bats that are making him work.
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I just cannot believe how good Baez looks at the plate.
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His command seems to be a little off. They haven't squared him up much, but just over half of his pitches 23/41) have been strikes.
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Yeesh, Rizzo lucky he didn't get stepped on there...
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Two out triple for Piscotty. Hammel just isn't able to finish off guys efficiently tonight. Got up 0-2 (or was it 1-2?) in that AB, then gave up the triple on 3-2.
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15 -0 after 12 innings
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I just cannot believe how good Baez looks at the plate.
Yup. What an unexpected treat he's been.
Heh heh, I wasn't even sure he'd play much. But he's really looked like a winner.
Heh heh, glad we didn't trade him.
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Both Lynn and Wacha have both really struggled, after each skipping a start. Makes me wonder about how wise it is to start resting guys who are in a groove. Perhaps also a reminder of how the sometimes unusual between-starts intervals in October can perhaps also knock guys out of their groove.
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Wacha out after 4 innings.
Carlos Villanueva in.
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Pham in LF, Piscotty at 1B. Are the Cardinals already going into spring training mode again tonight?
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BA's JJ Cooper agrees about Baez:
https://twitter.com/jjcoop36/statuses/641411619709394944
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Worst start of Wacha's career tonight. Previous worst was 6 ER, 4 2/3 IP vs. Arizona in 2013.
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Baez terrific play on a bunt.
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BTW, for those who think only Cubs fans irrationally emote when things go poorly, I give you just a sampling:
https://twitter.com/jakewalk11/status/641412116440870913
https://twitter.com/AngrySTLfan/status/641413043839201280
https://twitter.com/STLCards18/status/641413695327748097
https://twitter.com/HustlingYadi/status/641413794573496321
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Im really liking this infield tonight. I think Castro is better suited for 2nd.
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Obviously tiny sample size, but Baez is looking good both at the plate and wherever they play him in the field. I didn't think he had a chance on that bunt.
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I'm not saying Bryant makes that play, but Baez did.
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Buddy of mine who is a cardinal fan just text me saying your cubs are scary as f###.
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Baez grounds out to shortstop. I take it all back.
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BTW, for those who think only Cubs fans irrationally emote when things go poorly, I give you just a sampling:
https://twitter.com/jakewalk11/status/641412116440870913
https://twitter.com/AngrySTLfan/status/641413043839201280
https://twitter.com/STLCards18/status/641413695327748097
https://twitter.com/HustlingYadi/status/641413794573496321
:)
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NOOOOO!!!!
hahaha
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Matt Carpenter yells "NO!" as he Ks. That was great.
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Baez makes another great play. Throws to Rizzo from one knee.
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Now Baez is just showing off.
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Baez has been really fun to watch tonight.
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Baez!
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Javy is making a statement. If he keeps this up, oh my goodness!
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Baez is so sure of himself. Another nice play and he throws Heyward out from his knees. If he played for the Cardinals I would despise him. But I really want him to succeed with the Cubs. I really hope they don't trade him. I think he is going to put it all together and we are going to be happy we held on to him.
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The thing about the young Cubs players is that anyone of them could be the best of the bunch. Bryant, Russell, Schwarber, Soler, and Baez all have NL MVP ceilings. Incredible young talent.
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Castro has been just as good as Baez tonight. 7-0.
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Javy does look like a new man.
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8-0 on a Rizzo grounder.
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17-0 so far this series. This doesn't seem real.
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Now that was a bad at-bat from Baez. Had a first pitch meatball 87mph and was way behind it. Still think there's too many moving parts in his swing.
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I've waited a long time to listen to Cardinal panic.
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Molina K'd about 3 times in that AB, but the umps didn't want to give the Cubs any strike or check swing calls.
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Now Grichuk homers. 8-2. Would've been 8-1 if the umpires were competent.
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I think he has been getting squeezed all night
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Jason might b out of gas.
Now a walk.
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Hammel squeezed again on 2-2 to Reynolds, who eventually walks. MLB umpiring is not good.
Grimm is coming in.
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Grichuk's first AB in three weeks and he homers. Figures.
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Nationals lose. Magic number is 17.
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Grichuk nearly hit that one to Granite City...
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Cardinals making some noise in the 7th.
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Bases loaded, 1 out.
Grimm hasn't been very good as of late it seems.
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Grimm hits Jay with a pitch. Could've been called for the "didn't try to get out of the way" rule.
Pham singles. This game is getting more interesting than it should be. Thanks, umps, for giving Molina a couple extra strikes.
Grimm pulled. This is really a problem if he doesn't get back on track soon.
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Career HBP # 68 for Jay. A master.
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Baez is awesome.
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Another nice play by Baez on a soft liner. Not sure why he was pulled in there, though. Would've been an easy play if he'd been playing at regular depth in a 8-2 game.
Strop coming in.
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2 run single for Piscotty. If the Cubs blow this game....
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8-4.
You just knew this was coming eventually.
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You just knew this was coming eventually.
You mean the Cubs being up 8-4 against the Cardinals?
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1-2 count and a fastball down the middle. Reminds me of the pitch selection to Peralta.
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Tying run to the plate.
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Strop looks bad
Tying run at the plate.
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Heyward walks. Tying run up. Unbelievable.
None of this would've happened if the umpire had not given Molina an extra strike or two in his AB.
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Is Strop getting squeezed as bad as mlb.com's game tracker suggests?
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8-5, Girchuk up again. Worst inning of the year.
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Strop looks bad
Tying run at the plate.
Go ahead run now at the plate. What a complete joke.
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Can't even get Tony Cruz out.
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Well this is revolting
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Strop has absolutely nothing tonight.
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K.
Cubs need to add a couple runs here.
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Strop K's Grichuk on a filthy slider.
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Who will pitch the 8th? Rodney? Edwards?
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Is there anywhere you can go back and look at a game tracker while the game is in progress? I really want to see that Molina AB, I swear one of the pitches called a ball was basically right down the middle.
The sooner they automate the strike zone, the better.
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Tim McCarver: "This team has won 79 games without a closer."
Hector Rondon has a 1.48 ERA and 26 saves. Amazing how little respect he gets.
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Cubs go weakly.
Rodney coming in.
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McCarver is an idiot
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Reynolds K's.
5 outs to go.
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Last night he said Motte was our closer and on the dl. Not following too closely
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Garcia K's.
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Now they're complaining about Rodney cap. Guess they missed Strop's
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Rodney dominates the Cardinals in the 8th. Maybe he'll be the reclamation project that works. The stuff is there, maybe Bosio can finally get his command working after 13 years in the majors.
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Castro just misses his second homer of the night.
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Denorfia triples on an 0-2 pitch. Let's have Rondon pitch in a non-save situation in the bottom of the 9th.
Rizzo IBB. Hopefully Bryant makes them pay.
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Bryant has looked bad in these two games
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Fowler PH for Montero.
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Bryant might need a day off
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8-5 going to the bottom of the 9th
Pretty sad this has turned into a save situation.
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Fowler grounds weakly.
The team that doesn't have a closer is bringing in their closer who has a 1.48 ERA.
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Bryant's on pace for 215 K's. Don't think a day off is going to help.
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Siegrist against rh .160 ba. Against lh .360. That's why they walk Rizzo. So why ph for Montero?
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K looking.
McCarver still wondering if the Cubs have a closer.
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Carpenter doubles. Tying run on deck.
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McCarver wondering why Travis Wood isn't up in the bullpen to pitch to Heyward. Seriously, this guy is a respected MLB announcer and he's wondering if Maddon might bring in Wood to replace Rondon.
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McCarver still doesn't get it
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Conservatively, Rondon is a top 10 closer in baseball this year, right? In fantasy baseball, Yahoo had him ranked as the 65th most valuable player in baseball before today. McCarver should retire.
Cubs win. Finish off the sweep tomorrow, and the division race starts to get interesting.
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Cubs win. Whew
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Running these winning streaks is great. 5 straight wins. Takes a lot of 2-out-of-3 series wins to make gains like that.
HR's are an efficient way to score. Cubs have like 16 straight games with a HR, or something like that? How many is it?
I believe the Cubs are leading all of baseball in HR since the all-star break.
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Magic number is 16. If the Cubs go 8-17 in their last 25 games, the Nationals have to go 17-7 just to tie. The wild card race is over. Time to focus on winning the last 4 against the Cardinals and making the division race interesting.
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Bryant's on pace for 215 K's. Don't think a day off is going to help.
Bryant has 5 fWAR already. He's only on pace for 215 K's is you ignore the fact that he walks a lot, by PA it is 182. Still a lot, but Bryant does a lot of other things really well.
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McCarver wondering why Travis Wood isn't up in the bullpen to pitch to Heyward. Seriously, this guy is a respected MLB announcer and he's wondering if Maddon might bring in Wood to replace Rondon.
Respected?
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I think he sucks
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Bryant has 5 fWAR already. He's only on pace for 215 K's is you ignore the fact that he walks a lot, by PA it is 182. Still a lot, but Bryant does a lot of other things really well.
Actually, he's on pace for 212 per 162 games played. Nobody suggested he doesn't do other things well. He also K's an absurd amount.
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The positive aspects of Bryant's game go without saying. Literally.
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Tomorrow's game may get moved back into the late afternoon. Not sure how that would work on a getaway day.
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McCarver is probably wondering when Rondon got traded from Detroit.
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Kind of fun to have the lineup depth.
*Fowler sits, and Jackson gets a couple of hits.
*Schwarber's been missing. The offense has scored, 8, 9, and 6 the last three games, and 14 on Friday.
*Montero is the starter, but ross has gotten some hits.
*Castro has lost his job at SS, and perhaps part of his 2B job. But he's been hitting.
Kind of nice to have flexibility and backups like that. A little different than last year, when only a handful of guys had .300-OBP's, and using the bench often seemed to mean Lake or John Baker or Mike Olt or somebody like that.
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Kind of fun to have the lineup depth.
*Fowler sits, and Jackson gets a couple of hits.
*Schwarber's been missing. The offense has scored, 8, 9, and 6 the last three games, and 14 on Friday.
*Montero is the starter, but ross has gotten some hits.
*Castro has lost his job at SS, and perhaps part of his 2B job. But he's been hitting.
Kind of nice to have flexibility and backups like that. A little different than last year, when only a handful of guys had .300-OBP's, and using the bench often seemed to mean Lake or John Baker or Mike Olt or somebody like that.
Oh, Lord. Craig is badmouthing Schwarber. When will his persecutions end?
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Have to give Castro a lot of credit. Instead of sulking he's had some big games since getting back into the lineup.
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Actually, he's on pace for 212 per 162 games played. Nobody suggested he doesn't do other things well. He also K's an absurd amount.
He's K% is 30.5% it is high it isn't absurd for his power. It will likely improve a small amount as time goes on. Luckily for him he won't ever play 162 games if Maddon is his manager.
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Have to give Castro a lot of credit. Instead of sulking he's had some big games since getting back into the lineup.
Agreed. I'm embarrassed to say I'm surprised. I questioned his maturity. He has his ego in check.
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Just got in and came here for the play-by-play account...thanks guys...it was a REALLY fun read!! GO Cubs!!!
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Yeah, this game is unpredictable. Not so crazy now that Cubs could be in World Series. Not just a developmental year. Maddon aimed high all season---as did the players. Why not?
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Be interesting to see the lineup for today's game. Castro and Coghlan are a combined 2-17 against Martinez. Denorfia's 3-5 against him. Montero's had success in limited chances but Ross likely will catch.
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The Tim McCarver fans get to listen to him again Wednesday afternoon.
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Schwarber is apparently going to return and start in left today.
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Have to give Castro a lot of credit. Instead of sulking he's had some big games since getting back into the lineup.
Indeed. And good for you for noting this, Chris.
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Bryant gets a day off; Schwarber is back:
Fowler
Schwarber
Coghlan
Rizzo
La Stella
Baez
Ross
Lester
Russell
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Good movecgiving Bryant the day off. He is pressing a little at the plate.
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Amazing what hitting a few balls with authority to RF does for Castro...
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I was worried about Rizzo a couple weeks ago. No longer. I am worried, however, about Grimm. He's be very inconsistent lately. Glad Ramirez is back and that Motte, our closer per McCarver, will be back soon.
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Carlos Martinez hasn't been very good lately--since July 30, the league is hitting .303/.354/.432 against him and he has a 5.13 ERA. Lefties have also hit him pretty well all year. It would be really nice to finish off the sweep.
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Obama and Cardinal pitching are toast.
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Cardinals LOB% has fallen below 80% for the year....
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http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/09/09/joaquin-andujar-former-cardinals-ace-dead-at-62/?intcmp=hplnws
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Grichuk is in the Cardinals lineup today playing CF, but he apparently can't throw without pain. So the Cubs should be aggressive taking extra bases on base hits to center today.
Sounds like a pretty desperate move by the Cardinals just to get a bat in the lineup. Seems like they may be starting to worry a little about their division lead.
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Grichuk the Cards version of 2013 Donnie Murphy. He's will likely have a better career, but he isn't this good.
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Grichuk is a stud with a VERY bright future...sorry to say.
He was the real centerpiece to the David Freese deal with the Angels and he's more than lived up to the promise. The kid can flat rake and he's an excellent athlete who probably can handle CF when healthy.
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Actually, I'm concerned Grichuk's comp will end up being Dale (not Donnie) Murphy. The kid is good!
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First ball hit to CF goes well. Grichuk fields, so he has to flip to Heyward. It gives Coghlan time to score all the way from first.
And I think they botched the run down with Rizzo between second and third because the middle infielders couldn't get there because they were in the outfield to be closer to Grichuk.
Double for La Stella, 2-0.
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Grichuk's inability to throw costs the Cardinals a run in the 1st, and then La Stella doubles home the 2nd run...
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All part of Joe's plan
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25P - 3 Hits 3 Ks in the top of the 1st
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Leadoff triple for Carpenter. Fowler didn't look like he went after that one very aggressively.
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Carpenter triples.
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Actually, I'm concerned Grichuk's comp will end up being Dale (not Donnie) Murphy. The kid is good!
If Dale Murphy had 6% BB%, 31.2 K%, .376 BABIP maybe. His HR/FB% might be a fluke too.
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Heyward just kills the Cubs.
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Can't believe the Cubs appealed that play. There was no conclusive view, and now they've blown their challenge in the first inning.
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Lester gets out of the first with only 1 run scoring.
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Lester gets out of it with just one run. 2-1 after 1.
Interesting how some of the recent teams haven't messed around, but just steal 1st pitch on Lester. Why wait?
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As far as Cardinals pitchers go I really like Martinez.
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Lester doubles his career hit total in his first AB.
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Grichuk again. Fowler single into CF, and since Grichuk can't throw, Lester goes home easily. Russell was on first and also got to third easily.
3-1 now, first and third with 1 out for Schwarber.
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Heh. Even the announcers are questioning Matheny on having Grichuck in cf
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Schwarber looks rusty. Either that or Craig's curse is working
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McCarver is testy. I've never heard him sound this angry.
Martinez just threw his 50th pitch. It's the second inning.
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Jon Lester is just a base-reaching, run-scoring machine these days. And with that hit, he has probably assured himself of never having a career batting average that starts with two zeroes.
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Martinez at 51 pitches
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Back to back 2 out hits by Baez and Ross in the third. It would be nice if Lester got another hit here.
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Lester lines out to Peralta. Too bad, he hit it hard.
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Russell swinging bunt, slips coming out of the box, and the ball is hit so perfectly that he still reaches on an infield hit to start the 4th.
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Now Martinez throws a pickoff throw past Moss, Russell to second.
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Schwarber seems to be toofar off the plate. He's not able to get to the outside pitch
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Need a big 2-out hit from Coghlan.
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Or not.
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5 k's from our 2-3 hitters so far. Yet still leading 3-1.
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3-1 going into bottom of the 4th. Cubs have had 9 hits, so some good opportunities missed, although not hitting the ball that hard, so it's not like they really deserve to have more runs.
Martinez over 80 pitches, so we'll see some bullpen. Not sure how desirable that is.
Cubs have a long HR-each-game streak going. Hopefully they'll keep getting guys on base, and sooner or later somebody will hit a HR.
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I hate how often pitchers come up with RISP batting eighth
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Martinez at 99 pitches
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Leadoff walk in the bottom of the 5th. The Cubs really need to cash a few more of these base runners in.
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What a play by Coghlan.
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Need a Baez bomb
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LET'S GET SOME RUNS
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Not feeling too good about Strop in here. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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Cardinals have killed Strop this year.
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This is a big one for us to hold on to. Maddon going all out, it appears.
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Not understanding the move.
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Strop vs the Cardinals shouldn't happen again this year.
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Rodney looked good last night
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Richard coming into a very high leverage situation.
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Stomach is tight. Can't get past Lester up 3 times with risp.
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Richard has consistently failed against LH batters nearly every time he's come in to face them in recent weeks.
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This one's going to be a battle.
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3-2. The Cubs really should've scored more runs today.
It's too bad the front office couldn't find a way to address the LH relief problem.
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Our bullpen is a big problem of late.
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Incidentally, Arrieta never would've been pulled at 105 pitches going into the 8th.
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And there's your back-breaking come-from-ahead loss that typifies this series.
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Kinda felt that coming as soon as I saw Strop
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Crap, Cardinals lead.
Inability to drive runs in today is just a killer. 11 hits and 1 walk, but only 3 runs.
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This is the Rodney we were expecting to get.
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Two heart breaking losses to the Cards this season. My guess is that this is as close to the Division lead as we will get. Gotta hope to hang on to a wildcard spot.
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Media and fans were writing eulogies for the Cardinals after the last few games. People have no sense of history.
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Bullpen is a mess. Rodney isn't the answer. Strop sucks. Ridiculous the offense didn't score more.
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Hope Maddon has a good explanation why the $155M pitcher couldn't go another inning.
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Never fails.
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If the NL would just get with the times and adopt the DH, Lester wouldn't have been pulled there. Just ridiculous that the NL is the only league in any level of professional baseball that still has the pitcher hit.
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The DH sucks.
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Pitchers "hitting" sucks.
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Maddon didn't have to take him out because he lead off an inning. He chose to.
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Beaten by Greg Garcia and Stephen Piscotty.
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that sucks:(
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Need to do a better job of forgetting this dagger than they did after the Peralta-homer loss.
Just forget it. They weren't going to catch the Cardinals anyway.
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It felt uneasy all game because of all the wasted chances.
The bullpen is a mess right now. It's gone through a couple of down periods like this earlier in the season. Hopefully it gets straightened out before the playoffs.
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How often does Strop have to fail against the Cardinals before Maddon notices? I'm recalling how Bobby Thompson hit a homer off of Ralph Branca a couple weeks before the shot heard round the world. Russ Hodges noted in his book that one of the Dodger announcers told him that he watched the matchup with dread.
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How big of a lead in the WC do we have now?
8.5 games?
And we're panicing?
LMAO
Any reasonable fan knew we werent gonna catch the Cards anyway.
Dont worry though.
We'll get all of them we can handle after Arietta burns the Jolly Roger in the WC game.
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This is the kind of loss that can send a young team into a major tailspin. That wouldn't surprise me.
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How big of a lead in the WC do we have now?
8.5 games?
And we're panicing?
LMAO
Any reasonable fan knew we werent gonna catch the Cards anyway.
Dont worry though.
We'll get all of them we can handle after Arietta burns the Jolly Roger in the WC game.
Dusty, Dusty, Dusty. Face it. It's over. No panic. Just total capitulation.
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This is the kind of loss that can send a young team into a major tailspin. That wouldn't surprise me.
Earlier in the season, the Peralta homerun did that to these guys, but I think they've matured. Plus dominating the Cards the first two games will also stay with them.
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I hope you're right, Curt. Today's loss was a lesson in missed opportunities and failed decisions. And a real shame for Lester.
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I'll settle for taking two out of three on the road from the team with the best record in baseball.
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The Central division becoming a race again was a long shot. But at the same time, the Cardinals' young pitching appears to be wearing down. Their offense just isn't very good. Playing Grichuk in CF when he can't throw is a sign of desperation--Matheny was out of ideas. The Cardinals were (and maybe still are) vulnerable. It sucks to give them a reprieve in a game like this and send them to Cincinnati on a high note.
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We've had too many of these moments and post-game scripts to be happy settling.
ST. LOUIS – Just like that, the Cubs watched the St. Louis Cardinals restore order on Wednesday afternoon at Busch Stadium.
Just when it looked like the Cubs would put the exclamation point on a three-game sweep and make this division race even more interesting, the best team in baseball completed a 4-3 comeback victory.
Cubs fans have seen this before – a bullpen meltdown in the eighth inning and the Cardinals suddenly turning a two-run deficit into a one-run lead.
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/bullpen-meltdown-leaves-bad-taste-cubs-mouth
https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/641709617022652416
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I'll settle for taking two out of three on the road from the team with the best record in baseball.
Before the series started? Sure. Up by 2 runs with only 5 outs to go to finish the sweep? No way.
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Losing today sucks. Taking 2/3 from the Cards at their place is a good thing.
After the last Strop HR gut punch the Cubs went 9-9 in July and 19-9 August. This team bounces back well.
Continue meltdown.
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Seriously folks, disappointing loss, but great series. We're not going to win every game. Think of it this way - the Cardinals *just* managed to scratch out ONE win in their own house. We made up ground on the Cards, and there's still lots of head to head games left.
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We made up ground on the Cards, and there's still lots of head to head games left.
Made up one game, three games off the calendar. Now 7-8 back with 24 left and 3 against St. Louis.
A great series would've been holding on for a sweep. Cardinals were all but dominated and feel no sting from it.
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Cardinals were all but dominated and feel no sting from it.
Doubt it. They were so desperate they ran I-can't-throw-the-ball Grichuck out in CF.
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It was a good series for us. We won two games, and were close to a sweep.
It does reflect the current situation, though. Our bullpen is in disarray. A month ago, the pen with Grimm-Strop-Rondon was in a groove and was really good any time you needed three innings. And Richard, Wood, and Motte were giving us a lot of good outings as well. So for a while if you could just get through the rotation starter for five innings and turn it over, I assumed we'd win.
But right now, our bullpen looks really at-risk. For now, Grimm and Strop aren't going good, so the pen is a concern.
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Cards do seem really desperate... they only have the best record in baseball...
maddon shuffling lineup to give players rest = genius... team with the best record in baseball does it = desperate....
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It's not really about which team is hottest now...it's about which team (that gets in the playoffs) is hottest and healthiest in October (and gets some breaks).
I'm not crazy about our pen, but it's been solid before and MIGHT get hot in October. And it might not.
I'll trust Madden to prep and manage our guys well, but it's not like we've got three Mariano Riveras for the 7th/8th and 9th. Of course, few playoff teams have lock-down pens.
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Cardinals are on pace for 103 wins, they just got Grichuk back, will get Adams and Holiday back, and possibly Wainwright. Desperate also strikes me as the wrong adjective.
Maddon apparently gave no reason why he took Lester out. Probably since there wasn't a good one.
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What word would you use for putting Grichuk in CF when he can't throw the ball? That's an essential part of his job. They have Jay and Bourjos on the roster, so they have alternate players. It strikes me as desperate to essentially play with 2 1/2 outfielders because their offense is so bad that they need him in the lineup.
They were desperate to end the losing streak and leave town on a high note. Unfortunately, the Cubs coughed up the game and gave them what they wanted.
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“We had the right guys on their part of the batting order; it didn’t play out,” said Maddon, who defended pulling Lester at 105 pitches despite the bottom third of the order due up and an extra day of rest coming for Lester before his next start.
“If somebody were to get on base, you’re probably going to want to do something anyway, so give a [reliever] a clean inning,” said Maddon, who nonetheless acknowledged the unsteady recent performance of his patchwork pen.
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The Cubs had the lead for 25 innings of the series, the Cardinals for 1 inning.
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I agree with Maddon's reasoning.
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Too many K's in situations with chances to score by simply putting the ball in play.
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I agree with Maddon's reasoning.
I have to say I didn't see much of a reasoning.
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Who thinks Maddon would do the exact same thing if this game had been a one game playoff?
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Hollandsworth says he probably would've done the same thing and "trusted the bullpen". Because Lester "wasn't throwing a shutout". Sure, he had retired 20 of 21 and Strop has been murdered by the Cardinals, but Lester did give up that run in the 1st.
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Hey, I was really disappointed about the bullpen's failure today. It would have been great to have swept the Cardinals in their own ballpark at this important time of year. And it kinda sucks that the Pirates lengthened their lead on the Cubs today in the process.
But jeez, the fact is that the Cubs out-played the Cardinals for all but one inning of a three game series in St Louis and that the main strength of the Cardinals has shown some weakness lately. I still have a small hope that the Cubs might catch them, or that the Cubs may still gain home field advantage for the playoffs.
Yet, even if neither happens, if the Cubs reach the playoffs, I'm gonna be pretty happy about how much the team overachieved my expectations for the season, and we'll see where they do from there.
Nobody said it would be easy (so nobody was obviously wrong).
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Cards do seem really desperate... they only have the best record in baseball...
maddon shuffling lineup to give players rest = genius... team with the best record in baseball does it = desperate....
Sorry, but you don't put an injured player in cause you're trying to rest your team. Cardinals just came off a bad series with Pittsburg and they were on the verge of being swept at home by the Cubs. It was a desperate move indicative of their state of mind going into today's game.
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I take these games more seriously because I live in MO and hear all about it when the Cubs lose. Every Cardinal fan I've interacted with today acknowledged that the Cubs are for real and are hopeful they don't have to play them in the playoffs. They all would rather face the Pirates. To me, that's mission accomplished. They also all acknowledged that if this was the playoffs Maddon would have left Lester in.
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This place is hilarious. Maddon is an unreasonable idiot (but let's ignore his reason) for pulling his starter after he surpasses a generally respected pitch count of 100, and Matheny is just resting his OF when inserting the equivalent of a-couple-limbs-lost Black Knight in CF. I'd love to see people's reaction if Maddon ACTUALLY did something stupid, like start Grichuck in CF. I'm sure we'd all say he was just resting his team.
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I take these games more seriously because I live in MO and hear all about it when the Cubs lose. Every Cardinal fan I've interacted with today acknowledged that the Cubs are for real and are hopeful they don't have to play them in the playoffs. They all would rather face the Pirates. To me, that's mission accomplished. They also all acknowledged that if this was the playoffs Maddon would have left Lester in.
Exactly, Vandy. Lester would have stayed in. So why not today?
Tico, Maddon is NOT an unreasonable idiot. He's an excellent manager. I just believe he didn't recognize today that he had the hammer to put a nail in the coffin. Sweeping the Cardinals, who you admit are a bit desperate, would have really damaged their psyche and confidence, while accelerating the confidence of his young Cubs. I realize, however, that there are few here who value the mental and emotional side of the game as much as I do.
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I think coming in and taking 2/3 and almost getting the sweep will boost their confidence. This team to Maddon's credit isn't a bunch of weak kneed girls.
If I'm the Cardinals I'm thinking we just went 2-4 against the Pirates and Cubs and we got outscored 41-14.
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Maddon gave no reason for removing Lester other than if "something happened" the next inning he'd have taken him out anyway. Course, that's just as silly. Why is Lester being babied that way? He can't continue to pitch with a 2-run lead because he allows a baserunner? Forgetting that he may not have allowed a baserunner in the first place. Again, he had retired 20 of 21.
Lester threw 5 innings his last time out and gets an extra day before his next start. He has a 150M contract and nearly single-handedly beat the Cardinals for the World Series two years ago. But he can't start an inning at 105 pitches. Instead, the reliever the Cardinals have tortured, and who just struggled the night before, has to come in followed by a guy who was waived by a last place team.
Nobody thinks Maddon is an idiot. I'm quite the fan. But that decision is inexplicable.
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Exactly, Vandy. Lester would have stayed in. So why not today?
Tico, Maddon is NOT an unreasonable idiot. He's an excellent manager. I just believe he didn't recognize today that he had the hammer to put a nail in the coffin. Sweeping the Cardinals, who you admit are a bit desperate, would have really damaged their psyche and confidence, while accelerating the confidence of his young Cubs. I realize, however, that there are few here who value the mental and emotional side of the game as much as I do.
Don 't think you're fully appreciating that every club knows that there will be a few ups and downs during a 162 game season. Cards are a long, long away from having their psyche and confidence damaged had they lost today. It 's just one game, one series, in a long season. They are pros. Cards would laugh at that notion.
Not a big deal to Cubs either. A blip. Forget about it.
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"I realize, however, that there are few here who value the mental and emotional side of the game as much as I do."
What part of that did you not understand?
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Chris I don't think pulling Lester was a bad idea. Sending out Strop wouldn't have been my first choice.
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"I realize, however, that there are few here who value the mental and emotional side of the game as much as I do."
What part of that did you not understand?
Yeah, fine to value the mental and emotional side of the game but I'm saying you're not in sync with how the players react to one game or one series. Not going to damage the Cards psyche. Our psyche here---on the other hand..... >:(
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Nationals and Giants both lose.
No real bad damage done.
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The Cubs aren't catching the Cardinals regardless if they would have swept or not.
Anytime you can go into that crap hole of a city and win the series if fine with me.
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The Cubs need effective relief in the 7th and 8th innings and the bullpen has been erratic lately. There are probably some somewhat fragile psyches there. They are past the point of getting help from the outside. Maddon needs to get a couple of guys going well again. He doesn't accomplish that by avoiding them in especially meaningful situations. It didn't go well yesterday and that's too bad. But I expect that Maddon will do the same thing again the next time an opportunity presents itself. The Cubs aren't going anywhere in the playoffs with one effective reliever.
I think we forget the extent to which the job involves the daily management of human beings and the need to maximize their opportunities for success. Unfortunately, that also involves putting them in situations where they might fail sometimes.
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Nice post, ECF. Was thinking same thing. "Inexplicable" probably too harsh. Maybe just wanted to get Strop back on horse against Cardinals as soon as possible because there are going to be more high leverage situations against them over the next month. If so, it didn't work out. Some moves don't.
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The weather forecast looks pretty bad again tonight, although it's not quite as bad as it was a couple of hours ago. I hope they don't start it up and then get rained out--I'd hate to waste an Arrieta start.
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The Cubs need effective relief in the 7th and 8th innings and the bullpen has been erratic lately. There are probably some somewhat fragile psyches there. They are past the point of getting help from the outside. Maddon needs to get a couple of guys going well again. He doesn't accomplish that by avoiding them in especially meaningful situations. It didn't go well yesterday and that's too bad. But I expect that Maddon will do the same thing again the next time an opportunity presents itself. The Cubs aren't going anywhere in the playoffs with one effective reliever.
I think we forget the extent to which the job involves the daily management of human beings and the need to maximize their opportunities for success. Unfortunately, that also involves putting them in situations where they might fail sometimes.
Well said.
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I think Maddon pulling Lester made good sense.
1. That's Strop's job, and he's been good at it for most of the year.
2. Lester has only gone beyond 7 innings only three times this year.
3. Lester has some vulnerability late. His 3rd-5th inning ERA's are all 3 or less. In the 6th it declines to 3.8, and gets worse 4.7 in the 7th. So, it's not like he's held his stuff well beyond 100 pitches very often, and in my subjective memory, sometimes it's been somewhat abrupt. Yes, Strop lost it; but Lester might have lost it too.
4. I agree very much with Maddon's point: if you're going to pull a guy the instant he lets a guy reach base, why not just pinch hit for him and start the reliever clean?
5. There are a lot more games ahead, and we need Lester to be good. Being careful with him, and if-in-doubt erring on the cautious side, seems very justifiable.
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Is there a site where you can see relievers numbers when they start an inning vs. when they come in during an inning?
Strop seems to thrive under pressure. Perhaps there isn't enough pressure on him when he starts an inning?
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They should just cancel the game.
Flash Flood Watch: Heavy Rain, possibly a thunderstorm. Some of the storms could produce heavy rain. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New rainfall amounts between a half and three quarters of an inch possible.
Saturday sounds crappy as well.
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Maddon has done a superb job handling the pitching staff. Notion he should manage the Lester game as if it was a post season game---that is mystifying to me. Post -season is different, obviously. Even then, not sure he asks Lester to pitch the 8th going in at 105. Maybe---but in early Sept, no.
Guessing that Strop, Grimm troubles a temporary blip. Don't think they're fatigued, which would be a concern, or hurt.
Concern going forward would be something unforseeable. That's what usually ends up biting you, if it happens.
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The ole "we gotta get ___ going" exercise. Come on. Strop HAD to pitch a second day in a row in that situation when Lester was cruising?
4. I agree very much with Maddon's point: if you're going to pull a guy the instant he lets a guy reach base, why not just pinch hit for him and start the reliever clean
I addressed this above. First, we don't know if Lester was going to allow anyone to reach. Second, why the preordained decision to remove him if someone does? Strop who has been hammered by the Cardinals and had pitched 18 hours previously was a better option than a cruising Lester?
And why are we being so cautious with Lester? He's no kid. He's pitched tons of innings throughout his career and is fine physically. They sure don't baby Arrieta.
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I think it would have been reasonable to let Lester stay in to start the 8th, pulling him if someone got on. But Maddon's decision not to do so was also reasonable and is getting attention largely because it didn't succeed in this instance.
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They could probably get this one in if they're willing to wait a couple of hours and if the field can be maintained playable.
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A couple hours ago, it looked like it would clear up enough to play by about 8:30 local time. But now the Weather Channel app shows it might not be until much later.
The Cubs have been rained out a lot this year. Would be nice to avoid that again.
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The ole "we gotta get ___ going" exercise. Come on. Strop HAD to pitch a second day in a row in that situation when Lester was cruising?
I addressed this above. First, we don't know if Lester was going to allow anyone to reach. Second, why the preordained decision to remove him if someone does? Strop who has been hammered by the Cardinals and had pitched 18 hours previously was a better option than a cruising Lester?
And why are we being so cautious with Lester? He's no kid. He's pitched tons of innings throughout his career and is fine physically. They sure don't baby Arrieta.
Actually, Arrieta has had only one game all season in which he started an inning with as high as 105 pitches in the bank. Three games all season starting an inning at 100 or more. That's it.
Lester has not started an inning all season with more than 97 pitches in the bank. None.
So, pulling Lester after he has finished an inning with 105 is consistent with Maddon's approach the entire season. Has Maddon been successful with this approach?
You tell me.
When we get to the post-season, he will take a post-season approach---whatever that may be in the circumstances.
Keeping a starting pitcher in the game--- after he finished previous inning with 105 pitches---doesn't happen much these days in baseball. You can call going to your 8th inning guy "babying" the starting pitcher. I would call that characterization kind of a relic of the past---when men were men, etc. Not the way game is played today too often. On occasion, sure, as in Arrieta's one-time-all-season starting an inning at 105 or more, but we don't see that much.
Maddon is just being consistent with an approach to his pitching staff that, seems to me, has been successful so far.
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Is there a site where you can see relievers numbers when they start an inning vs. when they come in during an inning?
Strop seems to thrive under pressure. Perhaps there isn't enough pressure on him when he starts an inning?
Go to BR, find the pitcher you want, go to the pitcher's splits for the year you want. You will find when he entered the game and when he exited. If you click on any particular game in that category, it will give you defense and batter too, when entering game.
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Len Kasper @LenKasper 12m12 minutes ago
Gonna be a lengthy rain delay it appears before @Cubs & @Phillies start 4g series. Arrieta/Morgan the scheduled matchup on @CSNChicago.
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Actually, Arrieta has had only one game all season in which he started an inning with as high as 105 pitches in the bank. Three games all season starting an inning at 100 or more. That's it.
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Keeping a starting pitcher in the game--- after he finished previous inning with 105 pitches---doesn't happen much these days in baseball. You can call going to your 8th inning guy "babying" the starting pitcher. I would call that characterization kind of a relic of the past---when men were men, etc. Not the way game is played today too often. On occasion, sure, as in Arrieta's one-time-all-season starting an inning at 105 or more, but we don't see that much.
The numbers on Arrieta and Lester sure don't match my memory, particularly Arrieta's.
Strop may be the 8th inning guy, but he's been useless against St. Louis and had just struggled the night before. To me, the better option is to see if Lester can at least get a quick out or two and not use Strop at all. Why not take into consideration the facts that Lester had thrown 5 innings his previous time out and would get an extra day after this one. Shouldn't that play into giving him a bit of rope, particularly when he'd been flawless since the 1st?
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There are very few instances in which I would allow a pitcher to start an inning at 105 pitches. especially one in the first year of an extremely expensive million year contract. Throwing a no hitter. Crucial last game of playoff or World Series. But not much more. In my opinion, the most dangerous thing you can do is allow a pitcher to pitch when weary, and most pitchers are weary by that time.
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Agreed.
Fully.
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Jesse Rogers just tweeted that he thinks the game will be called shortly. What is this, the 6th rainout of the year? We have to be getting close to the Cubs record for rainouts in a year.
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Looks like double header tomorrow at 4:05. This really has been the worst weather year I can remember for the Cubs.
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The numbers on Arrieta and Lester sure don't match my memory, particularly Arrieta's.
Strop may be the 8th inning guy, but he's been useless against St. Louis and had just struggled the night before. To me, the better option is to see if Lester can at least get a quick out or two and not use Strop at all. Why not take into consideration the facts that Lester had thrown 5 innings his previous time out and would get an extra day after this one. Shouldn't that play into giving him a bit of rope, particularly when he'd been flawless since the 1st?
Lester threw 91 pitches in that 5-inning outing. So, not really a short outing in terms of pitch count (lots of 90-something counts for him this season). Strop had thrown a total of 19 pitches in the previous six days before this outing. So, Strop was well rested.
Don't think this was a slam dunk call either way. Just saying consistent with how Maddon has used Lester (and Strop) all season.
As point of reference, Greinke has been used very similarly to Lester. About a week ago, Mattingly let Greinke go out to pitch the 8th inning in a big game against the Giants after finishing the 7th with 106 pitches. Only time Mattingly has done anything like that all season with Greinke. Got one out and one baserunner and was pulled after throwing 8 pitches in the 8th. Guessing that Maddon thought about doing something like that but didn't. It's a judgment call. Obviously, if Maddon had a crystal ball and knew the bullpen outcome that actually happened, would have stuck with Lester. But, that's not the real world, of course.
For me, just want there to be a considered basis for the move that makes sense---and think there was here. Not a head-scratcher move---and we've seen too many of those by Cubs managers of years past. Think we can all agree on that.
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Arrieta and Hendricks start tomorrow.
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Haren Saturday, and TBD on Sunday. That's weird, is Hammel hurt?
In other news, the Cardinals are getting blown out again. If the Cubs hadn't blown it yesterday, the Cubs would be on the verge of being 5 back (4 in the loss column).
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Clarification on the rotation: they may go with a bullpen day on Sunday, and hold Hammel back for the DH against the Pirates. Probably a good idea to use your real pitchers against the Pirates and just try to get by against the Phillies.
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Yeah, with a 13-man bullpen, should be able to do that.
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The only downside is that by holding back Hammel, they have to do a bullpen game this weekend and sometime next week. I guess logically, though, they should maximize their good starters against the Pirates since they're the most relevant team (the bullpen game next week is going to happen either way). So going with the bullpen Sunday means they will have Hammel instead of Haren in the Pirates series.
So basically, they're deciding Hammel vs. the Pirates and bullpen vs. the Phillies is better than Hammel vs. the Phillies and Haren vs. the Pirates.
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I think coming in and taking 2/3 and almost getting the sweep will boost their confidence. This team to Maddon's credit isn't a bunch of weak kneed girls.
Yes, but a large number of the fans are.
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A comment on Maddon's decision to bring in Strop Wednesday.
Some here have commented about how Strop had not done well against the Cardinals even before that game, but it is important to remember that pitchers face hitters, one at a time, and not entire teams.
When Strop entered the game in the 8th inning, the first three scheduled hitters were B. Moss, M. Reynolds, and the pitcher, Broxton, meaning it was likely Strop would face a pinch hitter, and he faced G. Garcia. Garcia was previously 1-1 against Strop with a HR. Moss was 0-0 with 2 walks, and Reynolds was 0-3 with 3 K's and 1 walk. It may or may not have been a good call to bring in Strop, but if it was not, it was because of how Strop was pitching at the time, or how he had previously done against those specific batters, not because of how he had done against the Cardinals as a team.
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From a Jesse Rogers article on his pre-season prediction of 80 wins for the Cubs, relevant to the Strop discussion:
I asked pitcher Kyle Hendricks how I could be so wrong predicting 80 wins.
Hendricks: "No. 1 has to be Joe. It didn’t take very long to come together. The team camaraderie is big. And the young players have really come through."
Me: "But aren’t they supposed to hit a wall and level off? Even as good as they are I figured that would happen."
Hendricks: "That goes back to Joe as well. He’s rested the whole team all year whether that’s giving guys days off or taking batting practice off."
Me: "What about allowing them to make mistakes? No one seems tight. Maybe that’s the most important thing he’s done."
Hendricks: "Absolutely, that’s huge. In certain organizations where it’s very rigid, more businesslike guys could get tight and make even more mistakes. In here, because it’s so loose, you’re being picked up if you make a mistake. And he puts confidence in them."
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I've been talking to DirecTV for a 30 minutes now trying to find out what Extra Innings channel the first game of the DH will be on. So far it looks like they don't even know about last night's rainout and the reschedule for an hour from now.
Does anybody have more information?
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I've been talking to DirecTV for a 30 minutes now trying to find out what Extra Innings channel the first game of the DH will be on. So far it looks like they don't even know about last night's rainout and the reschedule for an hour from now.
Does anybody have more information?
Jason now says they will be showing the game in an hour but he cannot say what channel yet.
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DirecTV will have both games on Comcast Chicago (665) and Extra Innings channel 724.
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Ernie's somewhere smiling at the 'true' doubleheader tonight...
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Arrieta looks nasty in the first. Got a lot of movement on a few of the pitches. 2 Ks and a weak grounder to Rizzo.
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Arrieta doesn't look as good in the second. Howard hit a line drive that Jackson ran down, then Alterr homered. 1-0 Phillies.
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Arrieta has also fallen behind 2-0 to Howard, Altherr, and Asche.
But he comes back to K Asche, inning over. 1-0 game.
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The Asche K was Arrieta's 200th of the year.
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RH hitters have hit Morgan hard this year, but the Cubs hitters look clueless against him through 3 innings. Bryant has looked as bad as he's looked all year on two Ks.
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WTF was Bryant swing at? Should be a 3-0 count instead of a K.
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In his defense, Morgan does average 5 K's per 9.
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RH batters vs. Morgan this year: .281/.325/.516.
Hopefully the bats will get it going here soon. The Phillies seem to be the Cubs' kryptonite this year.
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Arrieta looked really good in the first, but his command has been off the last two innings. Two on, 1 out for Galvis in the third.
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Game one doesn't feel so good right now.
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If I'm the Pirates, I think I would start Liriano against the Cubs instead of Cole. But of a risk, but I think not having to face Coghlan and probably Schwarber and Montero might be worth it.
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I'm not sure how Morgan is dominating the Cubs like he is. He seems to be leaving a lot of hittable pitches right in the middle of the zone. Rizzo swung through a couple; Castro broke his bat on one.
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The Cubs can really get away with splitting the rest of the schedule and they'll still make the wild card playoff.
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Baez finally lines one of the balls down the middle into CF for a base hit.
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Not exactly the way you want to head into the playoffs...
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Starlin Castro appears to be back to trying to pull every pitch, no matter where it is. In the fourth, a pitch was nearly a foot outside and he somehow managed to pull it considerably foul past third. I didn't think that was possible. Then he grounded to short.
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Now Castro heads to the dugout after the second out.
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Now Castro heads to the dugout after the second out.
To be fair, there would have been two outs prior to the play except that the second out was overturned.
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Two-out RBI double by Jackson ties it.
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And Bryant made contact which resulted in a double. 2-1
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Not sure why anybody would necessarily expect Cubs to knock Morgan around. He has pitched TWO very good games against Blue Jays and most of his starts have been solid. Also has handful of poor games. So, just depends on how he's throwing that day---as with many young pitchers.
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The Ross pity experiment has to end.
Arrieta follows by walking. Bases loaded.
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After a Ross K, Arrieta walks to load the bases for Russell. One out.
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Russell!!!
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Well, that didn't end up being as productive as it could've been.
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Double header today so it makes sense for Ross to catch the whole game. I was going Coghlan would hit for Ross but then realized Ross has to catch this whole gane. Especially since Schwarber is mostly done as a catcher the rest of the way.
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Oppo homer for Castro to the gap.
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It's amazing what happens when Castro doesn't try to pull everything.
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Arrieta just walked Ruiz after getting ahead 0-2.
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Now a perfectly placed squibber down the line.
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Wild pitch... Arrieta not sharp at all today in spite of the results.
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Well-hit ball is caught by Jackson to end the 7th. Arrieta at 94 pitches.
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Should be it for Arrietta. If your bullpen can't get 2 innings against the Phillies then you're screwed anyway.
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Nope, Arrieta batting.
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With his mask off, plate umpire Quinn Wolcott looks very young. He was 31 in June.
Edit: Make that 29.
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One way or the other, Howard should be Arrieta's last batter.
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Howard Ks and is now 0 for his last 33.
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Two nasty sliders finishes Howard after falling behind 3-1.
113 pitches
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Arrieta presumably finished at 112 pitches.
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To the ninth we go.
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Not a save situation - Justin Grimm in to shut down the Phillies.
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1.99 ERA for Arrieta on the season. We're at the point where all it's going to take for Arrieta to become the Cy Young favorite is for Greinke to have one bad start so the difference in their ERAs is less than about .15 or so.
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1.99 ERA for Arrieta on the season. We're at the point where all it's going to take for Arrieta to become the Cy Young favorite is for Greinke to have one bad start so the difference in their ERAs is less than about .15 or so.
Len was correct when he said some of the voters will still put emphasis on wins.
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Game 2
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Kershaw has better stats than Arrieta. If he gets a few wins down the stretch he has a shot.
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I think either Len or JD was right during the first game when they said this is really going to be about who avoids one bad start. There's an argument for any of the three of them. And if they all keep pitching like they have, no one is going to be enough to really differentiate themselves.
Schwarber, 1-0.
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Sorry, Robb. No more facts. We'll stay comfortable in our ignorance.
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Geez. Herrera was walking back to the bench on that 2-2 pitch called a ball.
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Cubs loaded the bases after Schwarber's homer but Baez fans while falling to a knee.
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Awful call by the ump on that 2-2 pitch to Herrera. Even Herrera started walking back to the dugout. Brutal.
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Auto strike zones please.
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Schwarber?
Schwarber.
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Schwarber likes hitting against this pitcher. 3-0.
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He's the runaway ROY if he plays two more months. Shame he's not going to be rewarded.
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Good grief imagine if Soler lives up to the hype. Where do you put all these guys?
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"Ball" 1 to Francoeur. Who is this umpire behind the plate for this game?
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The Phillie phanatic?
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LF Bryant
CF
RF Soler
3B Baez
SS Russell
2B Castro
1B Rizzo
C Schwarber
Still plenty of room for Almora or McKinney.
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Lots of first pitch swinging. Guess everyone wants this over quickly.
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Schwarber's homer estimated at 450 according to StatsCast, and they keep short-changing Cubs homers.
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Was that a 4 pitch inning?
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Schwarber walks and Coghlan doubles him in. LH bats are nice.
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Schwarber can really haul for his build.
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Bryant hits one about 450 to dead center.
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Looked like Bryant hit that slider with one hand.
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Would be nice to keep adding on here so the key bullpen guys get a rest. I'd like to see Edwards and Ramirez get some innings tonight.
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Baez robbed of a hit when the ball hits the bag at 2nd. Previous AB he hit one into the gap in deep left where it was run down nicely by Herrera.
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Edwards is a candidate to pitch 2-3 innings in the bullpen game, so I doubt he'll get in tonight.
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Kyle Schwarber 15 HR in 51st career game. Only player <23 to hit 15 HR in fewer than first 51 career games: Albert Pujols
https://twitter.com/jonahkeri/status/642508660795658240
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Cody Asche burns the Cubs again. 6-2
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Fowler just missed. If he pulls it at all it's gone. Now a lefty comes in to face Schwarber.
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Schwarber flies to the track on a mistake 1-2 pitch.
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Bryant lines a single to RC to drive in Rizzo who had doubled.
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Hendricks bats with two on and K's. Might be able to get through this game with minimal bullpen use.
Weather still doesn't look good tomorrow.
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Nationals have lost again tonight. They're 11 back with 22 to play. That means if the Cubs hold on tonight and just go .500 the rest of the way, the Nationals would have to win out just to tie the Cubs. The Giants would only have to go 21-1, though.
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So much for saving the pen.
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2 1/3rd shouldn't exactly be very taxing.
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The Cubs have 27 relief pitchers.
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Yet another bullpen lefty brought in just for Schwarber with nobody on base.
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Rodney hits the leadoff batter in the 9th. I hope Rondon is getting ready, because they might need him.
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Guess we are going through the pen anyway.
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Yep, Rodney is terrible. HBP, hit, and now Rondon is coming in.
When you bring in reclamation projects, they usually don't turn out well.
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Rodney is pretty much useless.
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Except most bullpen pitchers are reclamation projects at one point or another.
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More terrible umpiring on the 0-2 count to Rupp. The pitch was a strike, and Rupp went around, but neither umpire called him out.
Didn't matter, though. Got a swing and miss on the next pitch.
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Bryant throwing to 1st can be a bit scary.
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Rondon: 2 Ks and an easy grounder. Good job by Maddon not waiting around until Rodney really put the game at risk.
They really need to see what they have in Edwards and Rosscup over the next three weeks.
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I wonder if the Ditka Dash dudes realize how idiotic they appear.
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Rondon is really good.
Great night for the Cubs, kind of nice to have a couple of clean, decisive wins, low stress.
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Excellent wins. Schwarber is back, Bryant has some key hits and a HR, Cyrrieta with win number 19, and we close the gap a little on the Pirates and Cardinals. 4-1 start to the 11 game roadtrip. Got Haren and the bullpen game Sunday. Find a way to win tje last two so that we win the season series against the Phillies.
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Very rare to see Maddon wait too long pulling a pitcher. Very impressed by his decision-making all season in this regard. Doesn't wait around for things to get worse. Just pulls the guy. If the pitcher isn't happy about it, TOUGH.
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Very rare to see Maddon wait too long pulling a pitcher. Very impressed by his decision-making all season in this regard. Doesn't wait around for things to get worse. Just pulls the guy. If the pitcher isn't happy about it, TOUGH.
I think that works as well for him as it does is because he has established such a trusting relationship with the players. Lester, Hammel and whomever may not like it much, but I have the impression that they handle it differently than they would with most (any?) other managers. Winning helps a lot too, of course.
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Pretty much irrelevant whether pitchers okay with it or not. It works because his moves are generally at the right time and helps to win ballgames.
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Pretty much irrelevant whether pitchers okay with it or not. It works because his moves are generally at the right time and helps to win ballgames.
It may be irrelevant in the moment, so far as what the right decision is. But it's not irrelevant in the clubhouse and the team culture. Having players who trust and believe in the manager makes a difference in this sort of thing, I suspect.
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Players can believe in the manager and still be annoyed by getting pulled for a reliever. What is irrelevant is whether they are unhappy about it. If they are unhappy, they can talk to the manager later and he can explain. Pretty sure that Maddon is very good about that. I try to watch video of Maddon's post-game media chats and he is uniformly positive about his players--even as to pitchers with less than stellar games that day. As you said, Maddon has trusting relationship with players this season.
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Are we agreeing or disagreeing? I can't tell for sure. :-\
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Neither. We're just talking.
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Haren scratched due to weather forecast. He'll start tomorrow, and Wood will go tonight.
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Rather see Richard
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Rather see Richard
Okay, try this.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116913/
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The game is delayed tonight, but the hourly forecast/future radar on the Weather Channel doesn't look that bad. So hopefully they get this in.
Apparently, there are two days between the end of the season and the NL Wild Card game. If this game gets rained out, I wonder if they might just say this one will get made up on the day after the season ends if necessary. Another double header tomorrow would be pretty rough.
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not even sprinkling here - 20 miles SW of the field
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Tarp coming off per Twitter.
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Schwarber gets ahead 2-0, swings at ball three, gets a strike called on what was a ball, then takes a hanger for a called third.
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This young pitcher is having a terrible time throwing strikes. Walks Fowler and Coghlan, could've walked Schwarber. Cubs can't let him off the hook.
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And let him off the hook they did. Bryant's 172 K ends the inning.
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Cubs baffled by the curve ball right down the middle so far. I wonder if they'll figure that out the second time through.
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Scwarber gets cubs first hit, HR. Coghlan just misses, caught at wall.
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Wood throwing strikes, 5K's through the order. 1-0 after 3. Cahill was warming, wonder if Wood at 50 pitches is done, or will get another inning?
He's been very good.
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This should be it for Travis.
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Wood out. Good job by him, though. They'll have to do another bullpen start next Thursday or Friday, so he probably gets that start too.
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This has a chance to get real ugly with Cahill in there.
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Herrera steals 2nd despite at no point touching the bag. Interesting umpiring there.
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Replay overturns the obvious missed call.
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Baez' low K-rate is climbing quickly.
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Nice outing by Cahill, faces minimum in his two innings.
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1-2-3 after Fowler gets to 2nd to start the 5th inning.
Cubs have fallen to 28th w/ RISP.
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Excellent job by Cahill. That'll likely be it for him.
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Three very clean and low-stress innings by Cahill. 1-0 into the 7th.
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Bryant K's again, Montero finally gets the Cubs second hit of the game.
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Baez singles, opportunity.
Kind of nice to get something going in front of the Cahill spot so that a pinch-hitter is in a worthwhile situation. Castro will pinch hit.
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This ump is getting on my nerves almost as much as all the Bryant strikeouts.
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Castro pops out to the catcher.
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Castro fouls out, LaStella grounds out softly again. LaStella has had a tough time.
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Russell in, Baez to second, La Stella out of the game.
Grimm to pitch the 7th.
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Just read that Bryant's last K tied Sosa's 1997 season for the most Ks ever by a Cubs hitter.
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I don't care for strikeouts either. But as a 23 year old rookie, Kris Bryant has an OPS of .858 for the season entering this game. There have been complaints about his recent performance, but the OPS is 1.031 for the last 28 days, 1.040 for the last 14 days and 1.073 for the last seven days. I think he'll probably reduce his Ks with experience, but even if he does not, I will pretty happy with this guy.
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Oh dear god.
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Sloppy baseball, it's been a few days since we've seen that. I bet a Howard grand slam is coming after that error.
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Big spot here for Grimm. He needs to pick up Rizzo.
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Nah, it'd only be a 3-run homer.
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Double. Brutal.
Imagine how good this team would be if they weren't relentlessly sloppy. Two out walk, error, tie game.
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Damn, you CAN get hits with runners in scoring position.
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Well crap.
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Grimm gets the first two then a walk, E-3, double.
The offense has been brutal tonight as well.
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Grimm blows.
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Yeah, score a few runs and that error doesn't hurt as much.
Still, the Cubs have made an unbelievable number of errors on simple plays like that this year. That was a play that's easy to make if you're not even wearing a glove. Rizzo absolutely has to make that play.
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About to walk in the go ahead run...
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Only bad can happen here
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This is the definition of giving the game away.
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Phillies lead. Brutal.
This inning is about 90% on Rizzo. That may be the easiest play I've ever seen turned into an error.
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This one's not quite over.
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It's over now.
Garbage bullpen. garbage offense. Garbage game.
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Now it is.
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Now it's over.
Man, Rizzo was trying to make the throw before he even had the ball, but he had plenty of time to make the play.
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This ballgame is ovah.
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5 runs on 2 hits.
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Well, that's disappointing. The problem with a bullpen game is that you will likely eventually find someone that struggles. Grimm is definitely a concern right now. He can't throw strikes consistently. The one good thing about today was Cahill. I had no idea he could throw as hard as 96. Maybe he can be a useful piece the rest of the way.
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Grimm was fine that inning until the error. K, K, then the easiest grounder you'll ever see. If Rizzo fields that, we're talking about how great Grimm looked tonight.
The big problem was that Herrera had a good AB, so Grimm had already thrown about 20 pitches by the time he got through the first 3 batters. Then he walked the next guy, so he had labored pretty heavily before Howard came up.
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:faints:
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Single, walk, double, and it's 5-3.
Mackanin going to Giles for 6 outs.
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Apparently this is the Phillies world series.
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Len was wrong before the break--it's Gomez, not Giles.
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Rizzo HBP.
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Rizzo leans into one. Can Bryant make contact though?
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I'll take all the abuse that will come. Just do something positive.
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Bryant swings at two pitches he had no chance to hit with any authority to start his AB. He looks awful tonight.
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Works it full.
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Bryant with a double.
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Bryant double. Nice AB after going down 0-2.
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Great at-bat.
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Is the game still over?
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Tie game on a Montero sac fly, Bryant moves to third.
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Need contact here and perhaps the worst guy is up. Come on Baez
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Thrown out at the plate.
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Contact play failed, imagine that.
They're reviewing, though...not sure he gave Bryant a lane.
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Contact play . . . ugh.
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Good job by Baez cutting down on his swing to make contact. Didn't work out but good approach.
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Gotta let Baez try and take 2nd here.
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Guess not. They just let Russell K.
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Anyone thinking that Bryant worth taking a shot to bowl over the catcher, Cameron Rupp is 260 pounds. Not a good idea.
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Strop up to his old tricks.
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Strop needs to lose his 8th inning role.
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Enormous break there. Right off Strop and to Baez.
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Strop 1-2-3. Lets hit a HR and turn it over to Strop.
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My work is done here. I got Strop through the 8th.
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If Herrera's ball gets through it's likely a double as poor as the Cubs are at throwing out runners.
Need to take advantage of that good fortune now.
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Giles looks like Grimm except he doesn't walk batters.
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Or maybe he does. Maybe Fowler runs here.
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3 walks and a single tonight for Fowler. The Cubs really should prioritize signing him in the offseason, he's the best leadoff hitter they've had since...I don't know when.
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Schwarber K's, Coghlan fouls out. No attempt to run. Remember the first month when Maddon had them running constantly? Seems like a fad now.
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Rondon gets the first two easily, but then is nowhere close to the strike zone on a 5 pitch walk. Asche up with a runner at first and 2 outs.
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Meh . . .
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Cody Asche. Unbelievable.
Just given away. Rizzo is the real goat in this one.
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Is the game still over?
.....
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You must be very happy to have been right all along....
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Of course. Thanks for using your one post of the month to weigh in.
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Ouch, both Grimm and Rondon look good for first two, then the two-out walk, and trouble.
O well, fun exciting game, great comeback, nice work by Wood and Cahill.
With everybody else struggling, and Maddon maybe looking for some hot hand, I wonder if Cahill might get additional chances?
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I didn't know that posting 50 times a day was required. I suppose the more I post the greater the chances I have of being right about something. And that's what it's all about, I guess.
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Asche hitting .333/.364/.667 in 22 PA vs. the Cubs this year.
He's hitting .245/.293/.373 overall. His .666 OPS overall is basically the same as his SLG against the Cubs.
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View from above the trees
Russell 21
Baez 22
Schwarber 22
Bryant 23
Anthony (The Goat) Rizzo 26
Record: 82-59
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Nah, wasn't about being right. You see what happened was a few people made a heat of the moment comment. Then someone tweaked?/taunted? those people for said comment. Then I tweaked that person in response. Then you made a poor effort at whiteknighting for some reason.
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What's "whiteknighting"?
Is that related to "ham-handed".
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Let's see if Jes can find a picture of a pig footed white knight.
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I don't think whiteknighting is politically correct.
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Nah, wasn't about being right. You see what happened was a few people made a heat of the moment comment. Then someone tweaked?/taunted? those people for said comment. Then I tweaked that person in response. Then you made a poor effort at whiteknighting for some reason.
You're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
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Haren in trouble in the first.
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2-1 Phillies and they are threatening to get more. Haren unable to get ahead of the hitters.
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Haren escapes with no more damage. 28-pitch inning.
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Cubs losing 2-1at the end of the first.
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Haren at 49 pitches through 2. 2-1 Phillies.
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Fowler throws out Asche at home to keep the Phils off the scoreboard in the second.
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Two out triple for Coghlan, his second of the game.
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Rizzo fails to get him home. Still 2-1. The Cubs are going to need to wake up their bats if they are going to have a chance in this one.
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Haren is ****
What a stupid trade.
4-1 Phillies.
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Coghlan is stinging the baseball...
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LaStella batting for Haren with Castro on first and two outs in the fourth. Terrible performance by Haren today.
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LaStella walks. Big spot for Russell here.
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Russell singles in a run.
4-2 Phillies.
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Huge RBI single for Russell. 4-2 game.
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Fowler pops weakly to right.
Lucky to get that they did.
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Haren was just a stupid acquisition. I don't know what this front office saw in him.
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Coghlan is locked in today.
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He hit the ball hard every AB yesterday as well...
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Coghlan finally gets his HR. 4-3 game.
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Rizzo really looks like he needs a day off. Good thing there's an off day tomorrow. I hope Maddon considers giving him one of the doubleheader games off too.
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Two triples and a HR is a pretty good day for anyone. Coghlan has been a far better addition than anyone imagined at the time he joined the Cubs. Easy guy to root for as well, in how he approaches and plays the game. Someone suggested the Cubs would not bring him back next year, but I cannot imagine that.
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Russell reaches on an E-6 to start the 7th.
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Schwarber works a walk. First and second, one out.
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Full count on Coghlan.
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Coghlan lines out to CF, Russell advancing to third.
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Hit it 390, but to the wrong part of the park...
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Rizzo needs to pick up this run.
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Love the way all the Cubs nearly always go all out running to 1B no matter what.
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Cubs tie it up on an E-4.
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E-3 as the Cubs tie the game. Collision at first, Rizzo seems to be ok.
4-4.
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Bryant with .315 BA with runners in scoring position and .392 with runners in scoring position and two outs.
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Fine running catch by Bogusevic keeps Cubs from scoring one or two more runs and Bryant from improving on the stats just cited.
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Bryant flies out to deep RF. 4-4 game.
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Triple and a wild pitch. Cubs have had nothing but bad luck today.
5-4 Phillies.
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This is the kind of game that a young team feeling the pressure loses. Maybe they'll come back today. If not, hopefully Maddon can work some magic in getting them ready to compete in Pittsburgh.
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That WP is on Montero. Can't stab at the ball with a man on third.
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Yikes. Another two-out, nobody on walk that leads to multiple runs against. Frustrating couple of games.
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I thought they had gotten over playing down to their competition over the last month or two. But they've definitely played down to the Reds' and Phillies' level in the last couple of weeks.
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Bullpen is a mess.
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Rizzo the tying run with 2-outs.
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Game over.
What a complete waste of an afternoon for the city of Chicago.
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Think Edwards cemented his case as last guy to to be used out of the pen.
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Two triples and a HR is a pretty good day for anyone. Coghlan has been a far better addition than anyone imagined at the time he joined the Cubs. Easy guy to root for as well, in how he approaches and plays the game. Someone suggested the Cubs would not bring him back next year, but I cannot imagine that.
I can. I am not predicting they will, but I can certainly see them trading a 30 year old OFer with a history of injury problems, but who this year has had his second consecutive strong season, and at the same time has shown some positional versatility. He is likely as good this season as he will ever be, and while he is a very nice role player for the Cubs, he is likely never to have another off-season where his value will be as high on the trade market as this season.
He might bring a couple of nice low level prospects in return.
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The Cubs will have to pay a lot to bring Coghlan back. But my guess is that he will very much want to come back, and the Cubs will want him back. So it is very likely to happen.
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He's by no means a stud but he has gotten his career back on track.
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The Cubs will have to pay a lot to bring Coghlan back. But my guess is that he will very much want to come back, and the Cubs will want him back. So it is very likely to happen.
According to baseball-reference.com, next year is the first season he is even arbitration eligible. How is it that they would have to "pay a lot to bring him back."
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The Cubs will have to pay a lot to bring Coghlan back. But my guess is that he will very much want to come back, and the Cubs will want him back. So it is very likely to happen.
Coughlan is the kind of guy that many guys, some here, don't like because he isn't flashy or the kind of guy that sells jerseys, but he is the kind of guy that the Cardinals and Giants fill their rosters with and win. And then we detest them. Funny how that works.
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Jes, I don't know how that works. He's not eligible to be a FA?
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He's not eligible to be a FA?
After his poor 2013 season, Coghlan was non-tendered by Marlins as he was arb eligible for 2014. Was signed to minor league contract by Cubs.
Coghlan will be 24 days of service time short of free agency after this season. So, he will be arb eliguble for final time in 2016. FA after 2016 season.
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According to baseball-reference.com, next year is the first season he is even arbitration eligible. How is it that they would have to "pay a lot to bring him back."
Wrong. After this season, he'll be eligible for arbitration for the third and final time. He'll be eligible for free agency after next season.
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Thanks, guys. The business aspect of MLB has always been a bit beyond me.
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Thanks, guys. The business aspect of MLB has always been a bit beyond me.
You might find this site helpful
http://www.thecubreporter.com/cubs-40-man-roster
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Thanks, Bennett.
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Jes, I don't know how that works. He's not eligible to be a FA?
Your ignorance is shared by me, but baseball-reference.com refers to him as being arb eligible NEXT year.
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This is tremendous entertainment.
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Heh
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The bottom line is that it is not going to cost much to keep him.
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You might find this site helpful
http://www.thecubreporter.com/cubs-40-man-roster
It is. Thanks.
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The bottom line is that it is not going to cost much to keep him.
Depends upon your definition of "much". Probably in the $4-$5 million range.
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I think Rizzo has hit more weak pop ups in the last 5 games than he did the 135 games before that.
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Cubs score an unearned run on a Fowler infield single. a SB, advance to 3rd on E-2, and Coghlan sac fly...1-0 Cubs bottom 1...
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Hammel starts off terribly--4 pitch walk, followed by a HBP. Two on, nobody out.
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McCutchen single, already tied. Hammel is really getting to be a problem.
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Hammel is garbage.
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3 run homer coming up here.
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Well this is already looking like a loss. Down 3-1 to Cole in the first inning.
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Ball game over already. Going to need 2 new starters next year.
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The trade deadline was this front office's first major failure. With Hammel's history of fading in the second half and Hendricks pitching in his first full MLB season, the Cubs really needed to strengthen the back end of the rotation. Instead, they got Haren.
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Haren, Hammel and Hendricks, 3/5ths of the rotation. I have faith in none.
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Yet another lazy fly ball for Rizzo. He's really bad right now.
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I'm thinking Kris should sit in the wildcard game. He has no shot against Cole.
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I think we'll be playing the Cards in the wild card game.
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I'll be happy to have us play anyone in the wildcard game.
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Montero tries to backhand a pitch in the dirt and misses badly.
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4-1 Pirates and Hammel is out.
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The trade deadline was this front office's first major failure. With Hammel's history of fading in the second half and Hendricks pitching in his first full MLB season, the Cubs really needed to strengthen the back end of the rotation. Instead, they got Haren.
I don't know, we would have probably had to give us way too much for Price or HAMEL;Latossucks and people here went ballistic on Shields. And I'm glad we didn't get Cueto
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We're clearly not a top-tier team yet, but we're not far away. Perhaps as soon as next season.....
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Over the last few games, the 4-5 spots in the lineup are almost automatic Pop up followed by a K every time through the order. Hard to win games like that.
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Castro looks lost up there.
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Single by Montero, infield single by Castro off Cole's leg, double by La Stella. 4-2, runners on second and third, 1 out. Cole leaving the game.
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Soria in.
Russell line out to Soria.
Wild pitch, 4-3, Castro moves to third. Come on, Fowler.
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Tie on another wild pitch. Nice.
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Bryant with warning track power. The bum.
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Walk, steal, error, man on 3rd nobody out. Oh well.
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5-4 Pirates on a sac fly.
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We have a very young team.
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Grimm can't consistently throw strikes. It has been a problem for a while now. He has been getting by because he has good stuff but the book is out. He's been walking the leadoff man way too much lately.
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What is the deal with Maddon and Grimm?
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Three games in a row now--fall way behind, looks like a loss, rally to tie, and then immediately give the lead right back. I hope Lester can pitch well tonight, because they really need to stop this losing streak.
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Is Tommy Hunter still on this team? Hasn't pitched since September 4. Not that he'd help much--he's been almost as bad as Haren since the Cubs got him. But he has just disappeared.
And what happened to Motte? Weren't they supposed to activate him on September 1? Again, not that he'd really help much.
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Castro needs to NEVER take throws on stolen base attempts. Unless it's a strike, chances are it's going into CF...
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The magic of Maddon works quite often, not so much today.
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Pretty big game tonight, I'd say.
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Yes, Pirates can get within 1 game.
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With the lead we have there arent any more big games for about 2 more weeks unless you're being unrealistic.
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Is this the first time Baez has worn the Heyward-style face protecting helmet?
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It's cute how Baez runs in that situation but not in a tie game in the 8th in Philly.
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Baez looks phenomenal at 3B. Bryant may have to get used to being in the outfield.
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dang that was some nice defense.
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Has Baez been in Soler's locker? That's some heavy metal he's wearing...
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2nd and 3rd, no outs for Jackson and Bryant and they strike out. That was frustrating. Could have used that 3rd run.
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Five K's in 6 AB's for Bryant today. Not an issue though.
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Bryant for RF!
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Baez for 3B!
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Big K for Lester there.
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105 pitches for Lester and he is due to leadoff. I let him hit and go finish the game. The pen has been bad lately and this is why he was brought here.
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Great job by Lester tonight. Badly want an insurance run.
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Man, I come home heading into the 9th inning, and you guys don't have much of a Today's Game report for me. Pump it up, you guys, I needed more PBP from you.
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Wow, Lester batting to lead off the 9th.
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So every reason given for Lester not pitching the 8th in St. Louis is out the window tonight.
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I know the bullpen has struggled lately, but Rondon has been mostly immune except for that one pitch to Asche. I think I play for the insurance run here and take my chances with Rondon.
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Lester has greatly improved as a hitter, he hits more fouls and runs up more counts before making outs these days. K's, but it's not as automatic or quick as it was this spring.
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McCutchen is due to leadoff. If he gets on base I assume Lester will be pulled. We left a lot of baserunners on tonight. Let's hope it doesn't hurt us. Come on Lester.
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With the way Ramirez has played tonight, I'm assuming he's going to hit either a game tying or game winning homer as the second batter of the inning.
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Wow, McCutcheon 1 pitch groundout, sweet.
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Aram, nice quick pop out, sweet.
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Cutter!
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Nice job Lester.
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6-pitch 9th, very clutch for Lester.
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That was huge. Maybe it'll get us rolling.
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Fantastic job by Lester. Feels a lot better now giving the ball to Arrieta tomorrow. Magic number at 12.
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That feels like an enormous win. Lester couldn't have timed it any better. Huge!!
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What a performance by Lester tonight. And Baez looks phenomenal at 3B. Better than Bryant for sure, and Bryant is quite alright at the hot corner.
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We should have brought in Strop.
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Complete game for Lester, very impressive performance... plus the bullpen gets a night off .
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If we can find a way to win tomorrow, that guarantees a winning roadtrip. I would have taken 6-5 before the roadtrip started. Win tomorrow and things get interesting Thursday.
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Just catching up now...what a FANTASTIC job by Lester!! Sure makes that investment in him look MUCH, MUCH better!
That was really a HUGE win! I know most aren't too worried about preserving a WC spot, but the Giants still give me the creeps.
I'll hope the Reds can, somehow, find a way to hang on and beat the Giants tonight (3-0 Reds, but only in the 2nd)!
Giants are the Cardinals West...you've gotta lock the exits and bolt down the doors or those guys find a way and are dangerous.
I want to see the Giants closed out of the WC race as soon as is humanly possible! GO Cubs!
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Magic Number is 12?
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Magic number is 11 over the Giants, 10 for the Nationals.
Long ways to go.
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Wow. What was Marte thinking. It appears that Lester never moved and seemed to be looking at Marte when he took off. Ross has said that Lester is very good at varying his delivery and that his mound presence discourages and confuses runner. Maybe that's true. Very bizarre.
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/149818974/jon-lester-displays-big-game-pedigree-vs-bucs
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Magic number is 11 over the Giants, 10 for the Nationals.
Long ways to go.
The mlb.com postseason probabilities have the Giants at 1% and the Nats at .4% to make the playoffs. We are at 99.3.
I can't quite believe it yet either, but a magic number of 10 or 11 with 18 games to go... is looking pretty damn good.
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Magic number is 11 over the Giants, 10 for the Nationals.
Long ways to go.
If the Cubs go 9-9 the Giants have to go 17-0 to over take the Cubs.
If the Cubs go 6-12 the Giants have to go 14-3.
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The Giants are as close (7½ games) to the Dodgers as they are to the Cubs.
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We're in.
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Both Fowler and Rizzo K looking in the first at pitches 6 inches off the plate inside. Looks like we have another good umpire back there today.
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Arrieta just made Polanco's bat explode. Must have been 5 or 6 pieces.
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Second straight day with pitcher batting 9th. Has Maddon explained why, or does anybody understand the logic? Or care to speculate?
Has he done that frequently earlier but I didn't even notice or forgot?
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Joe Maddon's logic for having Jake Arrieta batting ninth tonight is that he wants a hitter (Javier Baez in this case) providing some protection for the seventh hitter, Starlin Castro. To my way of thinking, that is true all the time.
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I may be warming up to Joe now.
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After a leadoff Bryant double, Castro comes up with one out and Ks on a pitch that hit the dirt in the other batters box.
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0-4 w/ RISP already. Yep, it's a day ending in "y".
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Castro's head gear went further than the ball did.
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The k's in critical situations is really getting old.
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Fowler triples with one out in the top of the third and now Schwarber draws a walk.
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Coghlan Ks then a wild pitch to Rizzo allows Schwarber to go to second. Rizzo ends it with a fly ball to medium deep center.
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Just leaving baserunners all over the place so far. Even Arrieta can't win in you never score.
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0-6 w/ RISP
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Who's doing the ESPN telecast? I don't recognize the voices and it doesn't sound like the Pirates guys.
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No score after three.
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First pitch GIDP from Montero.
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Bryant leads off the fourth as smoke from Manny Sanguillen's barbecue pit drifts over the field. Then a DP. The Pirates lead MLB in turning DPs.
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Who's doing the ESPN telecast? I don't recognize the voices and it doesn't sound like the Pirates guys.
I don't know who the PBP guy is, but I think Doug Glanville is part of the broadcast team.
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Castro out on a play pretty much any of the other IF's would've beaten out.
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Bunt hit for Marte.
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If you predicted Montero would throw the ball into the outfield, well, you should have.
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Nice catch, Starlin...
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Ramirez lines out to deep center and the game remains scoreless.
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Cubs catchers must throw balls into CF more than the other 29 teams combined. The Cubs get an extra base on that play about once or twice a year. Cubs catchers seem to do it once or twice a week.
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It doesn't help when the guy taking the throw either a) ole's the damn ball, or b) doesn't move his feet at all to get in a better position to catch the ball.
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Even the announcers said that Castro has to catch that ball.
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Baez wearing the flap due to recent dental work, per Len...
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Second verse same as the first.
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0-9 w/ RISP
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The Cubs have K'd 30 times in 23 innings this series.
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Maybe it was the camera angle, but it really looked like Castro should've been able to get to that Walker ground ball.
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Cubs finally break through after Rizzo steals second and Bryant doubles off the wall. 1-0 Cubs.
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Single by Montero moves Bryant to third. Burnett out of the game.
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Squeeze bunt and it works! Wow.
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Baez called out on a pitch a foot outside by Jim Joyce. Joyce was ranked the#1 umpire in baseball in that link Reb provided the other day.
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It feels like the Cubs should be up about 5 or 6 runs right now. I hope it doesn't bite them tonight.
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Apparently, Arrieta can't throw to first base either. Sloppiness makes it a 2-1 game, but at least Marte got thrown out at second.
2 runs isn't going to win this game. The Cubs really need to add on.
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Head case Arrieta hands the Pirates a run. He and Lester should get together for a therapy session.
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Jake, WTF are you doing? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Strikeout after strikeout after strikeout
About all they do.
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Rizzo called out on a strike well out of the zone for the second time tonight.
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Head case Arrieta hands the Pirates a run. He and Lester should get together for a therapy session.
"Head case?"
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Throwing routine tosses over the 1st basemen's head multiple times. What would you call it?
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A ball thrown into the outfield with Montero running rather than catching.
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And Castro K's in another spot where contact was needed. This game should be 6 or 7 nothing.
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Castro swings at a pitch that bounced on front of the plate
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3-17 w/ RISP. Only one of the hits scored a run.
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Castro's AB was sad.
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They're gonna Cub this game, aren't they?
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This definitely feels like a game they're going to throw away.
Arrieta almost throws a pickoff throw away.
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Infield hit starts the inevitable Pirates rally.
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It was really surprising that Maddon let Arrieta hit last inning. That may the highest leverage AB taken by a pitcher this year.
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Throwing as many opportunities as the Cubs have away. There is about a 10% chance they win this game.
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So much for Baez' great defense.
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First and third, no outs. This is going to be a really hard one to lose because the Cubs should be coasting to a blowout win right now.
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should have been a double play
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Baez could have ended the inning but jumps for no reason and now they're screwed.
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Out at the plate!
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They're going to overturn this, aren't they?
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Probably.
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Never mind. Montero was blocking the plate. Tie game.
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Cubs playing very tight for the last week. This will be the fourth game they have given away since last Thursday if they blow this.
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Throwing routine tosses over the 1st basemen's head multiple times. What would you call it?
How many times has Arrieta done that? In any event, I see no justification for calling Jake Arrieta a "head case" from everything I've seen and read about the guy.
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Baez makes up for his should-have-been E9 with a great play to cut down the runner at the plate!
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wow call stands.
What did the review?
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Ground ball away, Jake...come on!
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How many times has Arrieta done that?
Several. Happened in this very park early in the year on the exact same play.
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Left on base tonight: Cubs: 10; Pirates: 1. The Cubs have dominated this game, it'll take an especially bad effort to blow this one.
Joyce's strike zone has not been good tonight. That 1-1 pitch to Alvarez was a strike.
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Let's get a pair!
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Jim Joyce misses a routine strike.
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Wow Joyce is a complete joke
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They must have reviewed if he was safe, not If Montero was blocking.
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Bases loaded.
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Bases are loaded.
He's at 116 pitches.
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Guess we should be happy the game is just tied.
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Tie game.
Double play though.
They have nobody to blame but themselves for this one.
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Wouldn't the tying run have scored before the third out?
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Several. Happened in this very park early in the year on the exact same play.
Appreciate the precision. Arrieta has a total of 3 error in his 199 innings going into tonight's game. In any event, this guy has ice in his veins when he's pitching, prepares meticulously and thoroughly for his games, is extremely intelligent in the way he approaches games and individual batters and has dominated this season. We need more head cases.
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Is the game tied? Does a runner have to reach base in that situation for the run to count?
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I think the tv guys missed it
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My video went out, what happened?
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Appreciate the precision. Arrieta has a total of 3 error in his 199 innings going into tonight's game. In any event, this guy has ice in his veins when he's pitching, prepares meticulously and thoroughly for his games, is extremely intelligent in the way he approaches games and individual batters and has dominated this season. We need more head cases.
Nobody said anything about his ability to pitch. Whatever you want to call it, Arrieta has this year and last thrown routine tosses over Rizzo on numerous occasions.
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Yes, it's tied.
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I don't think you can call Arrieta a head case. He obviously has a version of the yips, though. He has looked awkward making throws to first all year--he likes to underhand over there if possible just like Lester.
Now Lester...I think he is a bit of a head case. I think that's why Ross has to be out there for him--he knows how to keep Lester's head in the game.
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Another strikeout by Fowler.
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Now Fowler called out on a worse pitch than that one that was called a ball to Alvarez last inning. Just awful. Joyce is often voted the best umpire, but he as been absolutely awful tonight.
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Yips....head case. Not a big variance there. Label it however you like, he's had issues with it constantly even on completed throws.
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Fowler and Rizzo have K'd looking a total of 4 times tonight on pitches that were out of the zone.
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Joyce is a joke tonight. Is he from Pittsburgh?
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When I hear "head case," I think of a guy who gets rattled when things don't go his way. We've seen signs of that happening with Lester this year at times. Zambrano and Garza obviously both had that problem. But I don't think Arrieta loses focus like that.
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That 1-1 pitch to Alcarez was huge. Pitch right in the strike zone called a ball. Instead of 1-2, count went to 2-1 and he ends up walking. The pitch to Alvarez was better than the pirch Fowler just got called out on.
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Arrieta doesn't get rattled on the mound, he just hesitates and lolipops throws 10 feet in the air to 1st base.
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Arrieta's chances of a CY take a big hit with the no-decision.
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Strop in for Marte/McCutchen/Ramirez. This is going to be a tough loss to take.
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Winning run on. That didn't take long.
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No tougher to take then the games they gave away in Philly and St. Louis last week.
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Strop was up 1-2 on Marte when he got that hit.
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I'm confused. Doesn't the other team need to actually score more runs before you lose?
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Wow!
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Cubs pitchers are getting almost nothing on the corners, but the Pirates are consistently getting several inches out of the zone.
What a 4-6-3! Please score a couple of runs.
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Castro saves the game for the time being.
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Castro!?!
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Castro with the leather larceny!
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I thought that was ticketed for CF. Castro was positioned perfectly and made a great play.
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There were a couple of plays earlier that maybe Castro could have made and didn't, but that was a very big-time play. Whew.
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Rizzo hacking away at a pitch 6 inches below the zone. Of course, Joyce would've probably called it a strike anyway.
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What a play by Castro. The ESPN announcers suck. The board needs lithium.
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"...And he's not allowing Jim Joyce to make any call near the strike zone."
- ESPN announcer, acknowledging that Rizzo is having to foul off a lot of pitches in this AB.
Walk.
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The board needs lithium.
Because some people are tired of seeing the same failure in the same aggravating ways for decades? If the board needs lithium the Cubs should supply it; they are the cause, after all.
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3-18 w/ RISP
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Because some people are tired of seeing the same failure in the same aggravating ways for decades? If the board needs lithium the Cubs should supply it; they are the cause, after all.
Go watch ANY other team, and I promise you will see the same failure in the same aggravating ways for decades. Baseball is a game of failure.
This mentality is a perfect example of confirmation bias.
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Ugh, Rodney. It'll be a miracle if they get through this inning.
Hard liner by Kang, but right at Denorfia.
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Go watch ANY other team, and I promise you will see the same failure in the same aggravating ways for decades. Baseball is a game of failure.
This mentality is a perfect example of confirmation bias.
I guarantee that can not be proven. I've watched the Cardinals a lot too and the two histories could not be more polar opposite.
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Nice job by Rodney. I'm shocked.
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Is it just me, or have Baez's throws from SS looked a little nonchalant tonight? I haven't noticed that at 2B or 3B, but it doesn't look like he's getting very much on most of his throws. He was firing throws from 3B the last time he played there.
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Pirates making the plays now.
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How did Marte make that play? Unbelievable.
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Shocking that LaStella would be gunned down on that play. Did he fall down?
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Heck of a play by Marte to get LaStella.
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He would have been safe had he slid to the third base side. Jmo
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Double switching Fowler out of the game so La Stella can stay in seems completely unnecessary. Maddon's only saving one spot in the batting order, and it's not like they're going to go multiple innings with Rondon anyway. Seems like they've weakened defense at 3B and RF for no reason.
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Ugh, Rodney. It'll be a miracle if they get through this inning.
Hard liner by Kang, but right at Denorfia.
Believe in miracles!
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Nobody was wrong ... because Nobody said it would be easy.
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Rondon got a pitch or two that inning that the Pirates have been getting all night. Maybe Montero just wasn't framing very well tonight. Cervelli is the best pitch framer in baseball this year, and Ross is pretty close to him on a per-game basis. Maybe it's not a coincidence that the Cubs start getting calls right after Ross comes into the game.
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Denorfia single, Berry pinch running.
Berry is 25 for 25 stealing bases in his MLB career. Because he's out there, Austin Jackson is up 1-0 in the count after a pitch out.
Berry had the base stolen on the next pitch, but Jackson bunts it foul for some stupid reason. Why bring in a pinch runner if you're just going to sacrifice?
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RISP time!
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Berry seems to be in Worley's head that whole AB.
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First and third, no outs. Rizzo and Bryant coming up. If the Cubs don't score this time...
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Third hit w/ RISP that has not scored a run tonight.
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Marte with a nice sliding catch in shallow CF, but Berry is able to tag up and score. 3-2 Cubs.
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https://youtu.be/pkcJEvMcnEg
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I thought about linking that song.
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Hoping Bryant can extend the lead.
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Marte/McCutchen/Ramirez due, Rondon staying in for a second inning.
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Marte weak pop to second. 1 out.
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McCutchen K. Two outs.
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Ramirez singles. Come on, Rondon, finish it off.
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I just find it hard to root against Aram. Too many good memories.
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Cubs get a gift call on 1-0 to Kang. Big call there.
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2-2 count...
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Kang lines out to Baez, Cubs win!
Rondon is the most underrated reliever in baseball.
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10
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Huge win.
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Wait, I thought the Cubs had lost, or at least were going to lose.
Too bad that Arrieta didn't get #20, but there really is one thing that matters most. And that is that Cubs win!
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Very impressive win. Now a chance to take 3 of 4 and make up real ground on the Pirates.
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They made us suffer for that one but that was a great win!
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Great win. Found a way to pull it out. Guarantees a winning road trip with now 6 wins. A win tomorrow and the first wildcard is definitely in play with 3 against the Pirates at Wrigley coming up. Hopefully Hendricks pitches well. We need either Hendricks or Hammel to turn it around. One of them may have to start in the playoffs if we make it to the NLDS.
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Come on have some faith, both are going to have to start in the NLCS.
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Bruce Miles @BruceMiles2112 5m5 minutes ago
Arrieta on bad throw: "Even though we won the game, that's going to bother me for a while." #Cubs
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*head case
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Dexter Fowler gets things underway with a single to right.
McCutcheon has day off with the Pirates.
Baez and Castro sit for the Cubs. LaStrella is at 2B.
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Schwarber also singles to right. The ball was too hard hit for Fowler to have time to take third.
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Coghlan grounds to second but the 2Bs throw to second is dropped. Bases loaded for Rizzo.
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Ok, bases loaded, nobody out. Let's not blow this. Score at least 3 runs.
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Rizzo GIDP. He's been terrible on this road trip. Cubs lead 1-0, though.
Coghlan with a hard slide into Kang and I think his knee is really hurt. He might be done for the season. Huge blow for the Pirates.
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It didn't look as bad in slo-mo as it did at full speed. Don't think his leg was as firmly planted as they thought at first.
That said, his leg still bent awkwardly. He's probably done for the season. Hope it's not as bad as it seems right now...
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A small chance it is a sprain, but I'd be shocked if he didn't tear the ACL or PCL.
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Ugh. Disappointing inning. Only 1 run, only 15 pitches for Morton, and an injured Pirate I will miss when they most likely end up facing the Cards in the playoffs...
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Dave, odd question. Often when Di posts and I hit "go" I get all the topics and it says that I still have an unread post in one (like this one, today) and when I go to it, it is Di's post I just read. This has happened this entire season and it is only Di's posts. Any idea what causes that?
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Dave, odd question. Often when Di posts and I hit "go" I get all the topics and it says that I still have an unread post in one (like this one, today) and when I go to it, it is Di's post I just read. This has happened this entire season and it is only Di's posts. Any idea what causes that?
Me too. It happens with others once in a while.
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I just noticed that as well...think it's the first time I have seen it, though...prob just a glitch...
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I get it with Dave as well.
Montero and Snyder in a race to see who was slowest.
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The Coghlan slide has brought out the 'irate' in Pirates fans...they want blood...
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I have that problem from time to time too, but I haven't noticed it being with just one poster. It could've been Di every time, but I'm not sure.
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Di is just irresistible. :)
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I have that problem from time to time too, but I haven't noticed it being with just one poster. It could've been Di every time, but I'm not sure.
CurtOne is another culprit for me.
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That only happens to me when D23 was the last to post in a topic.
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CurtOne is also irresistible
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Snider homers, it's now 3-1 Cubs.
It would be nice to see the Cubs hit a few balls out of the ballpark soon.
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We could all use a "laugher" right about now.
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Hendricks has been pounding the zone so far, hopefully the homer doesn't deter him.
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I would really like somebody like Marte in the OF for the Cubs.
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That only happens to me when D23 was the last to post in a topic.
It could be that Dave23 and Dihard are the same person, but I've met both. Even my schitzoid self struggles with that.
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I really don't like the pitcher hitting 8th.
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3-1 Cubs into the bottom of the third.
RISP
Cubs 1-10
Pirates 0-1
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3-2 game.
Cubs are blowing a ton of chances again. They should be way up in this one, but they're not.
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Polanco dinger, 3-2 Cubs now.
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I really don't like the pitcher hitting 8th.
I especially dislike it when Rizzo and Bryant have been batting fourth and fifth as they have done a lot lately.
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Way too many missed opportunities so far today. I don't like the feel of this one
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Dave, odd question. Often when Di posts and I hit "go" I get all the topics and it says that I still have an unread post in one (like this one, today) and when I go to it, it is Di's post I just read. This has happened this entire season and it is only Di's posts. Any idea what causes that?
Does it make a difference whether Di posts via computer...
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Or Android app?
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Hendricks is bad again. This rotation is a mess behind the top two.
A Cubs/Dodgers NLCS would be interesting. You'd get Arrieta vs. Kershaw twice, Lester vs. Greinke twice, then two teams trying to piece things together in the other three games.
Alvarez homers, 4-3 Pirates. Brutal, Cubs.
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4-3 Pirates. 3rd HR of the day.
Cubs will probably need a HR today if they want to win this game.
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Isn't one of the reasons for the pitcher hitting eighth to allow Rizzo and Bryant to move up in the order and not be right after the pitcher? That isn't what Maddon has been doing lately.
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I believe it also makes it more likely to pinch hit for them earlier in the game.
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One of the things that make me queasy about the post season is the Cubs inability to hit when they are given huge scoring opportunities. Castro, Baez, and even Bryant seem clueless about hitting when contact is essential. Castro is the guy I least want to see at the plate with an important runner at third. It's almost a cinch he will fail. Last night, as sort of an example, he swung wildly three times, the last time at a ball that bounced six inches in front of the plate. Another time he hit a weak fly on a 3-0 pitch. He's just not smart. Sorry. Baez is another who cannot adjust his swing when just contact is vital. Actually, we have too many of these types.
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I believe it also makes it more likely to pinch hit for them earlier in the game.
That's lame. If that's the reason, bat them second.
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Hendricks out of the game after just three innings. Richard in to pitch.
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I think Schwarber, Bryant , Russell and Soler will get better at making contact. Baez and Castro give me no such hope.
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Rizzo *finally* does something on this road trip. 5-4 Cubs.
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Bum
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HR. Nice.
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All position players have at least one hit
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Russell, RISP hit. 6-4.
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Richard!
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RICHARD! 2 RBI double. 8-4.
It may be time to find a spot for Richard in the rotation. I could see him being a better #4 in the playoffs against LH hitting teams than either Haren or Hendricks.
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And still 0 outs
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RICHARD! 2 RBI double. 8-4.
It may be time to find a spot for Richard in the rotation. I could see him being a better #4 in the playoffs against LH hitting teams than either Haren or Hendricks.
I've thought that to be obvious for several weeks.
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Clayton Richard hits better with men in scoring position than most of the position players.
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I'm interested in Richard and Cahill starting some games down the stretch. Cahill has looked really good when I've watched him on the mound.
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Tommy the Star brings Richard in with our ninth run. Would be nice to have an easy win today.
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LaStella with another RBI hit. He's 4-5 this series. Has he been hitting anything hard, or just happening to get some lucky contact that fall in?
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Schwarber tries to beat the shift with a first pitch foul bunt. Not a bad idea to do that every once in a while.
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As Len said earlier in the game, a Cubs win today would clinch the season series with the Pirates. If they end the season with the same record, the Wild Card game would be at Wrigley.
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Was Coghlan's slide dirty?
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Hard, but not dirty...
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Coghlan's slide was clean in the eyes of players and commentators.
Coghlan's slide is something that should be outlawed in my opinion. He could clearly reach the base, but he also clearly slid into Kang with the intention of knocking him over.
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I have met Di.
FDISK has seen both Di and I at the same time
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Di and I. Sounds like a musical
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6 GO against Richard so far - 15 pitches
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https://youtu.be/CKOBNYQmA8E (https://youtu.be/CKOBNYQmA8E)
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This Pirate pitcher's name translates to Bobby the Raspberry.
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Thanks, Bennett. I don't like that slide by Coghlan, but that's baseball I guess.
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That type of slide could easily be outlawed and enforced
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I think Schwarber, Bryant , Russell and Soler will get better at making contact. Baez and Castro give me no such hope.
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Castro makes a lot of contact 80% plus of the time he swings. When a pitch is in the strike zone it is almost 90%. It might be weak contact, but that is Castro's main skill.
Baez is already better at making contact 7% better than last year.
Bryant will only get marginally better, he's just too tall.
Russell should get better. Schwarber might too, but he swings a lot.
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Another view. The Pirates announcers say it was hard but not dirty.
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/6479266/v485731983/chcpit-kang-exits-with-injury-after-double-play (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/6479266/v485731983/chcpit-kang-exits-with-injury-after-double-play)
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I think there is already a rule in place that Coughlan came close to crossing. I don't think we need more rules to complicate things. Last night we had a play at the plate which almost cost us.
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This series should do a lot for Cub confidence
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Isn't the rule that as long as the runner was within reach of the bag, anything goes?
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Was Cervelli hurt on Rizzo's scoring attempt?
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Nice dp to end inning.
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Just saw the slide; Coghlan was almost outside the baseline but it didn't look like he was trying to injure Kang. The Cardinals have gotten away with a lot worse against us over the years.
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Nothing wrong with Rizzo's slide. Except that it was ineffective.
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What is the record this road trip so far?
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With a win I believe the Cubs go 7-4 this road trip. Not bad.
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Gasoline Grimm in
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9-6
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Who's available in the pen today?
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Where are Ramirez and Rosscup?
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Grimm will presumably pitch the 8th.
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Why did we get Jackson? Did we have left over jerseys from Edwin?
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Great hustle by Bryant.
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Infield double
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Wood in to pitch the 8th.
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Where's Bob Howry when you need him?
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Cubs leave a few more guys one, 9-6 going into the bottom of the 9th. Rondon pitched two innings yesterday.
Maddon bringing Wood back for the 9th.
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Travis is looking for the second save of his career.
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I may be mistaken but hasn't Rosscup looked decent lately?
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He's a bit unkempt.
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If I'm reading Travis Woods' body language correctly, he has been a lot more intense his last several outings.
CUBS WIN!
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Real nice effort by the pen today. And the offense.
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Wood, two perfect innings, K's 5 out of 6. Very nice.
Richard had two perfect innings at first, but then started giving up rockets and ended up with with 4 hits and 2 runs over his final 1.1 innings. Not sure I really want him starting, either.
Great series, nice win, two games behind Pirates, and we've got the tiebreaker. Very nice.
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Where are Ramirez and Rosscup?
I doubt we see Ramirez in any role other than mop-up in an unimportant game the rest of this year. He hasn't made an appearance since he was activated at the beginning of the month, and he has been bad all year when he has pitched. I personally think he's overrated anyway--he has rarely been healthy or effective in the high minors, and last year's numbers appear to be somewhat fluky (low HR/FB rate, LOB%, & BABIP, with better command than he'd ever shown before).
I would like to see more of Rosscup, though. He was real strong at the beginning of the year and seems to have pretty good stuff compared to the rest of the lefties the Cubs have had in the pen this year.
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What a tough day for the Pirates. I think it's likely they will still end up hosting us in the wild card game, but losing 3 of 4 at home, losing a key player to injury, and heading to LA to face Kershaw and Greinke... can't be a good feeling.
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Gun had Wood at 95 one pitch. Another at 94. Mostly 92/93.
Consider this. As a reliever, Wood has 66 Ks in 52 innings this season.
A question: Wood may be looking at close to $6 next season as arb eligible.
Would you offer him arb for 2016 or non-tender him and make him a FA?
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GREAT job bringing home another BIG win, folks! After beating Bucs three straight in their place, Cubs have 85 wins with 16 games left...just amazing!
Since losing his starting role, Wood has pitched as he did in his All-Star season (with more velocity due to shorter stints).
Would be nice to keep him, but I'll trust the pitching Plan Theo/Jed/Jason have in mind.
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Great hustle by Bryant.
A truism.
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He's a bit unkempt.
Who wants to look kempt?
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Great win, great road trip. As happens with good teams, Cubs have won all variety of games. Some really tight pitching duels (Lester on Tuesday, Arrieta yesterday). Today by outscoring. They've won games with their pen at times. Squeeze the other day. A lot of flexibility. It's been a fun season.
Reb, I think I'd probably offer arb for Wood, yes. As a reliever, he's pretty good, and I think will likely continue to be. We're thin on relievers in general and lefty relievers in particular; I kind of think you've just got to pay the market price for guys you like.
Phil Coke ($2.3) Motte ($4.5) Jose Veras ($3.9) Wada ($4.09), not even "take-a-shot" pitchers come cheap.
Maybe cash will be short, so maybe releasing Wood clears the cash to sign somebody really significant. But I think there's a good chance the Cubs will have some money, won't end up signing any $200+ guys and perhaps not any $100+ guys, in which case spending to deepen the bullpen could really be strategic.
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I'm guessing money will be much less of an issue than is generally believed, so yeah, I'd want to keep Wood. He's been a really valuable guy this season and I think could be at least as valuable next year.
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The media's already trying to make a story out of Coghlan's clean slide on Young Ho.
If Pittsburgh tries to retaliate this could get ugly.
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Tim Kurkjian piece on sliding ethics from a few months ago.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13134635/what-exactly-dirty-slide
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Only #4 is even remotely close to applying to Coghlan's slide. But I don't think he went far enough out of the baseline for it to be considered dirty for that reason.
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This slide was more problematic:
http://m.mlb.com/video/v4715163/tbfla-coghlan-goes-hard-into-iwamura-at-second
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Former Cub (and good Twitter follow) John Baker was the guy who tried to score on that play.
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This slide was more problematic:
http://m.mlb.com/video/v4715163/tbfla-coghlan-goes-hard-into-iwamura-at-second
Yeah, that slide from 2009 is bad--more of a rolling block than a slide AND not sliding near enough to the bag. Iwamura was out for 3 months on that one.
Slide today was different. But, in both cases, neither defender seems to have a clue how to evade a sliding runner---a skill discussed in detail in the posted Kurkjian piece above. Worth reading.
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The hyper-nationalistic Korean netizens are going nuts about Coghlan and calling him a murderer. The fact that Kang didn't blame Coghlan doesn't seem to matter. It's too bad a Japanese player of ours wasn't the runner; then we'd see some real fireworks.
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I wouldn't assume that Kang's agent is accurately reflecting Kang's feelings.
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The Kurkjian piece was a good read. Thanks for the link.
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Cubs quickly up 2-0. They second and third, 1 out with Montero up.
Montero walks on four pitches. Loaded for Castro. 30 pitch first inning for Lynn already.
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Rizzo and LaStella drive in Schwarber and Coghlan. Montero walks to load the bases for Castro.
2-0 Cubs with one out in the first.
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Cardinals bullpen already getting up.
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Castro singles, 3-0.
Ball gets away at home, but La Stella wasn't watching so he doesn't score. Mental mistake.
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Rizzo fails to catch a line drive that hits him right in the glove, and then Wong triples. 3-1. Rizzo has been so sloppy lately, they really need to give him a little time off between now and the playoffs.
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3-2 Cubs into the bottom of the second.
JD has said in the past that he doesn't believe in "shut down" innings. I disagree
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Haren got pounded in that inning, but he would've gotten out of it with no one scoring if Rizzo had just fielded the ball. That makes three errors in the last week for him, and all three were plays that weren't that hard to make.
I read on Twitter earlier today that Rizzo has played more innings in the field than any player in baseball this year. Give him some rest.
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Wong scores on a ground out. 3-2, going to the bottom half.
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Cubs waste a leadoff double in the 3rd inning.
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Every Cub position player except Rizzo
has a batting average between .241 and .255.
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Austin Jackson hitting for Coghlan in the fourth. Is it because there is now a lefty on the mound, or is Coghlan's leg bothering him after he fouled a pitch off it. Maybe both.
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Cubs load the bases again in the 4th. They really need to score some more here. So far, they have 4 hits, 7 walks, and 1 HBP in 3 2/3 innings, but they only have 3 runs.
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Jackson walks and Rizzo with another HBP to load the bases with two outs for LaStella
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#%!*&$^
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Not sure why Maddon is so quick to pull Coghlan for a PH against a LHP, but he doesn't pull La Stella.
La Stella grounds out. Leaving base runners all over the place yet again today.
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You have Bryant, Denorfia and Baez sitting on the bench but leave Lastella in?
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Coghlan was in quite a bit of pain after he fouled a pitch off his knee area earlier.
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After a Moss double, Haren hits Holliday in the helmet with a pitch.
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Holliday froze and never moved as the pitch came in.
Haren is done.
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Maddon pulls Haren in the 5th.
If the Cubs go deep into the playoffs, Maddon will deserve all the praise he gets because he's managing with basically a 2 man rotation and a bunch of 3-4 inning relievers right now.
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If Haren never throws another pitch for the Cubs that's fine by me. What a bust he's been. Should have just kept Edwin Jackson.
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Holliday is the turkey who once slid into Castro in a much more violent way than Coghlan did with Kang yesterday. Let's see what he does on the basepaths today.
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This looks real bad.
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Why bring Rosscup in to face rightie Pham?
Ball four. Tie game.
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If Haren never throws another pitch for the Cubs that's fine by me. What a bust he's been. Should have just kept Edwin Jackson.
He hasn't been a bust. He's been exactly as expected. People just had unrealistic expectations of a guy with an unsustainably low BABIP and LOB% who had been playing in front of one of the best defenses in baseball. And he had also given up as many home runs as anyone in baseball, even though he played in one of the two or three worst parks for hitting homers for the first half of the season--that was obviously going to be a problem once he stopped playing in Miami.
Rosscup walks in the tying run. Stranding all these runners has come back to bite the Cubs again.
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Rosscup about to walk the tying run. And he does.
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Tommy Hunter coming in for Rosscup
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Peralta goes to 1-2 and then pops to Jackson in short right to end the inning.
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I feel incredibly lucky the Cubs have only given up 3 runs. I can't imagine what a Cardinals fan feels like.
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Nice AB by Pham to not fish for one of Rosscup's sliders, I thought he'd K him. K's Heyward, though, to keep it tie, and Hunter gets the third out. Could have been better, but based loaded one out could have ended a lot worse, too.
Lets get some runs.
And, I'm pretty sure we're not going to win this game without hitting a HR.
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Montero, Castro, and a PH for Hunter in the bottom of the fifth.
Montero singles sharply to right. JD predicts a hit-and-run.
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Castro! 5-3!!
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Castro goes yard!
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Finally, the HR.
Way to go, Starlin. 5-3
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Castro is the worst player on the team.
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Soler hitting for Hunter.
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Nice to get the lead. Once they get to their good relievers, I don't want to need to score.
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Russell flies to right, Fowler walks, and Schwarber grounds to second to end the fifth.
The rain is still at least an hour away if it doesn't go north of Wrigley.
Grimm coming in to pitch the top of the sixth.
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Russell is good defensively.
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If Haren never throws another pitch for the Cubs that's fine by me. What a bust he's been. Should have just kept Edwin Jackson.
Haren's Twitter handle is "Ithrow88". Today he didn't come close to that. It looked like he was throwing BP.
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Will Maddon try to stretch Grimm for 2 innings? Go with Soriano? Bring Wood back for one inning?
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Cubs have been relentlessly getting leadoff men on base.
It may take one more HR to win this game.
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Very nice outing for Grimm. Please no Strop today.
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FSMW wondering the same thing I am...whose name is on Cishek's glove?
It looked like it said "Manuel Domingos"???
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Jackson leadoff single, but Rizzo and Bryant make outs.
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Never mind on my last post...google is my friend...
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/146117640/steve-cishek-carries-bible-verse-to-mound
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CASTRO!!!
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CASTRO AGAIN!!! 8-3.
It may be time to make him the everyday second baseman for a while.
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That stupid piece of sh!t Castro. Worst f'ing player on the team, needs to just be cut already.
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Castro is the worst player on the team.
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Maybe it's a good thing the Cubs didn't DFA Castro?
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These are dark days for some members of this board.
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It looked like Cruz was setting up away, but the pitch never sniffed the outer part of the plate...
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By the way, J.D. pretty much called that Castro HR, saying that the FB running in toward Castro could be a really dangerous pitch to throw. Then, a running FB and BOOM.
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Joe Maddon is probably the best person in baseball to work with Castro, given Starlin's simultaneously laid-back and sensitive personality. It's clear he's at his best when he's relaxed and having fun. The quintessential Castro moment is him dumping a single into CF while blowing a bubble.
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Cubs have been relentlessly getting leadoff men on base.
It may take one more HR to win this game.
Castro's two may be enough, now. :)
Castro's 10th. How many do we have with double-figures HR's?
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Seven
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Rizzo, Bryant, Russell, Coghlan Schwarber, Fowler, Montero, Castro
8?
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Seven
That's pretty remarkable to have all but one position with a double-figures HR guy. If you'd asked me last January, I'd have expected that if Soler missed only one month or so of the season, that he'd have made it too.
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Seven
that was the grade you repeated. Cubs have eight
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Strop in to try to lower his 15+ era against St. Louis.
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8 is even better than 7. And the truth is better than a falsehood.
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Cahill up in the pen. If he pitches today, you wouldn't expect them to start him tomorrow.
A day or two ago, it was reported that Jokisch and Teagarden are staying in shape in Arizona in case they are needed. With the bullpen pitching so many innings yesterday and today, I wonder if they might recall Jokisch after the game to take the start tomorrow.
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Interesting idea, br. That would be kind of fun.
I'd totally assumed Cahill would pitch several innings tomorrow. With a 5-run lead, I'd almost rather save him.
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Belisle tossed as a pitch goes behind Rizzo's legs. He's on first but it looked like he wasn't hit.
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I think the ball barely got Rizzo on the back of his knee. I don't think it was much more than the uniform. Good to see Belisle tossed, players who intentionally try to hurt other players should be tossed, fined, and suspended.
Rodney is warming up now, so it looks like they're saving Cahill after all.
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Rodney in. He's always wild, so it wouldn't be surprised if he hit someone and was tossed here.
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Rodney in. He's always wild, so it wouldn't be surprised if he hit someone and was tossed here.
That would get Maddon thrown out like Matheny was, not that there is no communication between the clubhouse and the dugout.
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WGN radar shows thunderstorms moving in from the southwest. They are still a ways away but please get the game over without any further suspense.
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Bottom of the eighth in an important game and pink hat guy is gone from his front row seat just like usual.
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Neil Ramirez warming in the pen.
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The center field camera makes it look like this is a night game.
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that was the grade you repeated. Cubs have eight
I did NOT repeat seventh grade. In fact, I never even reached it.
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WGN radar shows thunderstorms moving in from the southwest. They are still a ways away but please get the game over without any further suspense.
By the way, whatever happened to Weatherguy. Did Curt drive him away also?
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The Cubs are now just 1½ games behind the Pirates who face Zack Greinke tonight and Clayton Kershaw Saturday night in LA.
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By the way, whatever happened to Weatherguy. Did Curt drive him away also?
Like a few other posters recently Im sure he'll show back up if we keep winning.
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The Cubs should make an announcement that fans should head for home instead of staying for Go Cubs Go.
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He was lurking recently.
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The much wondered about Neil Ramirez made an appearance and a good one at that, with two strikeouts.
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The cast of Cub pitchers throws a 5-hitter.
I don't think St. Louis has a very scary offense.
I guess that's why they're 12th in the league and 24th in baseball in scoring.
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Nice job with game comments again, folks! FUN to read! It's been an AMAZING run we've been on since July!!
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By the way, whatever happened to Weatherguy. Did Curt drive him away also?
One of many.
heh, Hunter throws 4 pitches and gets the W.
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Cubs win, Cardinals lose, Cubs beat Cards. My favorite 3 happenings in sport.
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St. Louis just isnt that scary to me.
I'd rather play them in the playoffs than the Dodgers.
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Maddon says he has nobody in mind to start tomorrow's game. He also sounded miffed at the pitch behind Rizzo which is rather odd to me.
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Why did they throw behind Rizzo?
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Because what the Cardinals did was stupid? Haren isn't going to hit Holliday on purpose with a runner on second and no body out. If the Cubs would throw at somebody every time Rizzo got hit on accident, they would have been involved in a bunch of pointless HBP wars.
Wood starting tomorrow.
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Rizzo barely got glanced. If you're going to "retaliate" that's the best way to do it. Rizzo hasn't been hit in the head. Bit of a difference.
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Throwing at people is also ways stupid, because most pitchers aren't Maddux and can't hit a spot consistently. Haren didn't do it purpose, so there is no reason to hit Rizzo again.
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So if Bryant was hit squarely in the head Maddon would just forget it.
You're gonna stick up for your players. Maddon knows that.
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Rizzo barely got glanced. If you're going to "retaliate" that's the best way to do it. Rizzo hasn't been hit in the head. Bit of a difference.
As already pointed out, Haren wasn't trying to hit anyone. It was crystal clear that he was trying to hit Rizzo, and the fact that Rizzo wasn't actually hurt is beside the point. Yeah, IF you are trying to hit someone, throwing at (behind) their legs is less dangerous than other ways of hitting someone, but there was absolutely no excuse to intentionally try to hit Rizzo in the first place. Seems pretty clear to me (and apparently others as well).
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So if Bryant was hit squarely in the head Maddon would just forget it.
You're gonna stick up for your players. Maddon knows that.
Maddon is smart enough to know the difference between a pitch that got away and hitting someone on purpose.
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^
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Chris channeling Ned Yost
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Teams stick up for their players all the time after players get hit unintentionally. Are you folks new to baseball?
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Teams stick up for their players all the time after players get hit unintentionally. Are you folks new to baseball?
And it's idiotic. It's a stupid relic of the past, and MLB should stop it. There is no safe way to throw a baseball at someone, and there is no reason players in 2015 should still be playing this stupid macho role where they retaliate for accidents by putting the other team's star player at risk.
Let the league take care of it. MLB should start giving real suspensions for throwing at batters, not the slap-on-the-wrist 2 games (reduced to 1 on appeal) that Belisle will end up getting. And if there is any suspicion that the manager called for it, he should be suspended for several games too.
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As Sharma pointed out on Twitter the Giants did not retaliate when Aoki was hit in the head. The Brewers did not retaliate when Segura was hit in the head. Only the Cardinals, their reporters, and the Royals seem to think it is appropriate. Madden did make it sound like the Cubs will retaliate at some point. I would suggest Holliday in his injured quad, just to be safe.
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I hope they retaliate by sweeping this series, and then knocking the Cardinals out of the playoffs.
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Teams stick up for their players all the time after players get hit unintentionally. Are you folks new to baseball?
Yeah, unlike you, we are all uniformed newbies. The truth is that it is not uncommon for contemporary managers (unlike Tony LaRussa) to make distinctions between intentional (or possibly intentional) hitting of players with unintentional ones. Maddon is not old school in this or other regards.
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I hope they retaliate by sweeping this series, and then knocking the Cardinals out of the playoffs.
Exactly.
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Aoki basically squats over the plate. That pitch from Arrieta would've hit pretty much nobody else.
Obviously, Haren did not try to hit Holliday in the head and probably not at all. But, like it or not, it's custom to "send a message" back. I could do without it, but I'm shocked Maddon seems so upset by it. If they threw at Rizzo's head I could understand his reaction.
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Yeah, unlike you, we are all uniformed newbies.
Save some of that spunk for Arrieta's honor.
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The game has changed, but not necessarily for the better.
It would have been interesting to see how long Rizzo would have crowded the plate against Bob Gibson. He would have hit him every time he came up to bat. So would 90 percent of the pitchers at that time. Not aiming for the head, but his body would have had lumps all over it until he stood back away from the plate.
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I guess this is the reaction that had Chris perplexed. Good for Maddon. Love this guy. He is the one sticking up for his player.
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/maddon-blows-cardinals-were-not-going-put
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From the above link:
Haren came up in the Cardinals organization and said he expected there to be retaliation, to the point where he even apologized to Rizzo right after the fifth inning in case the Cardinals went after him.
Haren talked about how it was ingrained in their minds in the Cardinals organization to protect the big guys - like Holliday or Albert Pujols - when they were hit.
"They've been known for doing these types of things and policing it that way," Haren said. "Sometimes they take it to a little bit of an extreme, but you just hope that they know it wasn't on purpose. I don't know if they do [know].
"They were yelling at me pretty good from the dugout. I didn't know what to say; did they want me to say 'I'm sorry'?"
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"I think it's up to them," Haren said. "I certainly don't think anyone on our side is going to come out and throw at anybody, that's for sure. Since I've been here, there's never been any type of order to hit anybody or anything like that.
"It's up to them. If they want to continue, that's on them. Like I said to you guys, it was an accident and hopefully they threw at Rizzo and it's done with.
"You don't want to see someone get hurt, especially on two teams that are likely to be playing baseball a little bit deeper."
This is not a baseball thing. It is a Cardinal thing, however. LaRussa was notorious for this crap. Unlike many here, I respect that organization, but I do not respect this attitude or practice.
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Gun had Wood at 95 one pitch. Another at 94. Mostly 92/93.
Consider this. As a reliever, Wood has 66 Ks in 52 innings this season.
A question: Wood may be looking at close to $6 next season as arb eligible.
Would you offer him arb for 2016 or non-tender him and make him a FA?
Those are not the only two options. I suspect that if the Cubs want to resign him (and they should), they will do so before arbitration is an issue. If they do not sign him before then, I suspect they will (and should) offer arb in order to extend their exclusive period of negotiation with him.
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Yeah, that slide from 2009 is bad--more of a rolling block than a slide AND not sliding near enough to the bag. Iwamura was out for 3 months on that one.
Coghlan would have slid into the bag, except for the second baseman's legs being in the way.
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I guess this is the reaction that had Chris perplexed. Good for Maddon. Love this guy. He is the one sticking up for his player.
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/maddon-blows-cardinals-were-not-going-put
Rizzo's pant leg got nicked.
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Why is anyone shocked that Chris is defending the Cardinals?
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Rizzo's pant leg got nicked.
Correct, but it's the intention that's the problem, and a major one. There's a reason we have crimes on the books like attempted murder. Not equating murder to beanball, but the logic applies.
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Why is anyone shocked that Chris is defending the Cardinals?
Find me one post where I defend the Cardinals. I'll wait.
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Correct, but it's the intention that's the problem, and a major one. There's a reason we have crimes on the books like attempted murder. Not equating murder to beanball, but the logic applies.
What was the intention? To hit Rizzo? To hit him in the hip? The leg? To throw the ball behind him? If they threw at Rizzo's upper body I could understand Maddon's war chant. But as it is it sounds as overwrought as it would coming from Matheny in a reverse situation.
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Find me one post where I defend the Cardinals. I'll wait.
Jaime Garcia has a 5+ ERA in Sept, I guess is his sub 2 ERA might have been a little lucky?
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Hats off to Joe. One of the reasons he's the right guy for us is that he's not going to put up with the type of crap the Cards have been getting away with forever.
Take it to them, Joe...and Cubs. We may not be ready to get them this season, but we sure as hell won't be if we're in any way intimidated by them!
Madden is leading Cubs players to think differently. It's time!
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Jaime Garcia has a 5+ ERA in Sept, I guess is his sub 2 ERA might have been a little lucky?
Not sure who said he'd stay at a sub 2 ERA or what that has to do with the comment you quoted, but maybe it'll come to me.
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Maddon's different than Piniella or Baker in that regard?
The incident happened soon after Baker and former Cardinals manager Tony La Russa exchanged words during a heated, beanball-filled, five-game showdown in early September 2003. Baker was asked to respond to some criticism of his club's professionalism from Cardinals pitcher Matt Morris.
"Really, if he thinks (the fight) has been on so far, he has a whole decade full of us coming," Baker replied. "This is just the beginning. They've been beating up on us for a long time, from my understanding, so the best thing for him to do is just leave us alone. Just play your game and be quiet."
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I dont see how anyone in a Cub hat can be mad at the Cards for throwing at and grazing Rizzo when Holliday got hit in the head first intentional or not.
Now if it continues that's a different story.
They got their revenge.
We cant help their aim was bad.
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I agree with most of Chris's side on this discussion. Well, maybe except one part.
*You hit a star in the head, it's hardly shocking to have a team "stick up for it's player" and throw inside on your guy. Is it unenlightened and dopey, sure, of course. But that's such a standard "stick up for your guy" and "have each other's back" kind of stuff, how is that shocking?
*The pitch to the head is totally unequal to a pitch down at the legs that barely grazed him. Obviously Haren wasn't trying to hit or hurt. That's presumably why the Cardinals were trying to hit, but it was as token a hit as you could get, intentionally avoiding injuring. No big deal, just standard old-school "stick up for your guy", dumb as it may be.
*So, I guess with Chris I'm kind of surprised that Maddon was acting so shocked and overreacted like he did.
*But, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. In a sense Maddon's overreaction and threats and stuff was just some more analogous "stick up for your guy" overreaction.
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It seemed to me to be a "fire up your boys" attempt because he thinks there's a good chance we see them in October.
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Not sure who said he'd stay at a sub 2 ERA or what that has to do with the comment you quoted, but maybe it'll come to me.
You missing what Jaime Garcia's doing? Basically, everyone they throw out there doesn't give up runs.
You keep saying unsustainable this and that but the Cardinals keep sustaining pretty well.
Never defending. I think Matt Carpenter was the MVP as well.
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I'm not sure if this is intentional obtuseness or just trolling at this point.
So, once pointing out that Garcia was allowing nothing start in, start out--a fact--is somehow equivalent to "defending" the Cardinals. Hey, don't let anyone defend the Dodgers when they mention Greinke's moved closer to winning the Cy Young tonight.
And I didn't claim Carpenter was the MVP either. I said had he not had a horrible 6 weeks he could make a claim. He is leading the team with the best record in baseball in homers and RBI, but that's crazy talk, I know.
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We all know you're a Negative Nancy, Chris.
No need to try to claim differently.
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Being negative has nothing to do with anything claimed in this thread today. Please folks, read the comments and respond accordingly.
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You're such a likable person Chris.
Lol
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Somewhere on some Cardinal fan board Chris is defending his proposition that lance Lynn is a head case.
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You're such a likable person Chris.
Lol
You made an assertion about me that had nothing to do with the discussion, and then claimed that I had argued against that assertion which never happened.
Next time I won't point that out so you think better of me.
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As Blue noted some posts back, Wood is being listed as tomorrow's starter. Having just gone two innings yesterday, not likely he'll go real deep. But, that was his only outing in a week, so perhaps going 3 or more is totally plausible. If he basically went 3 or 4, and then Cahill went 2 or 3, you might be able to get to Grimm/Strop/Rondon without a lot of other pen guys.
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http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/benjamin-hochman/hochman-retaliation-in-baseball-is-inevitable-but-should-be-modified/article_8457dcd9-d270-5c9e-b391-8b0212d2e521.html
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Haren is not a good pitcher. He didn't hit Matt in the head on purpose. He was probably trying to throw one low and outside, he's that bad.
Rizzo was hit, or thrown at purpose. No harm, no foul. The Cardinals didn't even argue their point, that's how much purpose it was on.
Chris Coghlan's slide wasn't dirty either. Bad things happen in this game when you don't expect it. It was just hard baseball trying to break up a double play. It's baseball. (ban the slide? Come on now)
Come on folks, you are all much smarter than this. Quit arguing about it.
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In more important news:
Magic # 7 with the Giants, 6 with the Nationals, and only 1-game back of Pittsburgh.
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You're such a likable person Chris.
Lol
You have to appreciate the irony.
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Addison Russell posted a video of the Cubs post-game dance party on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialAddisonRussell/videos/vb.674729132650022/759808270808774/
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Quite premature for that.
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I'm not sure if this is intentional obtuseness or just trolling at this point.
So, once pointing out that Garcia was allowing nothing start in, start out--a fact--is somehow equivalent to "defending" the Cardinals. Hey, don't let anyone defend the Dodgers when they mention Greinke's moved closer to winning the Cy Young tonight.
And I didn't claim Carpenter was the MVP either. I said had he not had a horrible 6 weeks he could make a claim. He is leading the team with the best record in baseball in homers and RBI, but that's crazy talk, I know.
No trolling at all. I think your a bright guy. Your "facts" always seem to be positive for the Cardinals and negative for the Cubs. When challenged you get defensive. It wouldn't be unreasonable to take that as defending the Cardinals. I'll let it go now.
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No trolling at all. I think your a bright guy. Your "facts" always seem to be positive for the Cardinals and negative for the Cubs. When challenged you get defensive. It wouldn't be unreasonable to take that as defending the Cardinals. I'll let it go now.
As soon as "seems" enters into a discussion, it is clear facts are not really at issue, perceptions are, and those even temporarily divorced from reality because of their strong rooting interest quite routinely have more than mildly distorted perceptions. One more thing, "challenged" and "criticized" are somewhat different things.
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Rizzo was hit, or thrown at purpose. No harm, no foul. The Cardinals didn't even argue their point, that's how much purpose it was on.
Of course they didn't argue. A warning had been issued. After that, if anyone gets hit, the pitcher is ejected. It does not matter if it was deliberate or not. The pitcher is ejected. Nothing to argue about.
I agree that it was no big deal.
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Oh they could have argued the point. You could just tell on Matheny's face he was guilty.
Austin Jackson is leading off today and playing CF. Soler in the lineup in RF. That's all I heard for now.
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Well, if you could tell by his face that he is guilty, that pretty much ends the discussion.
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Imagine if in 1969 the Cubs would have had the roster depth and flexibility to get significant amounts of rest for the position players in August and September.
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Imagine if in 1969 the Cubs would have had the roster depth and flexibility to get significant amounts of rest for the position players in August and September.
Play, I have imagine that for 45 years now.
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Mostly sunny, with a high near 68. Breezy, with a north northwest wind 15 to 20 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph.
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Coghlan is not in the lineup vs Wacha. HIs leg must still be huring after fouling a pitch off it yesterday.
Jackson CF
Soler RF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Castro 2B
Baez SS
Denorfia LF
Ross C
Wood P
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Probably not our playoff lineup.
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I find it amusing that when we have a pitcher who CAN hit, he bats ninth.
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Maddon's consistent in having the weakest hitter in the lineup in the 8-hole.
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1-2-3 inning for Travis Wood on 7-pitches.
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Soler walks, Bryant doubles him in.
1-0 Cubs.
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Castro singles in Bryant. 2-0.
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LOL, I guess the Cardinals book says to pitch Castro in...
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Baez swings at something...really bad. That was rather a sad at bat.
2-0 top of the 2nd.
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Baez has a good cut at the 2-1 pitch, but fouled it off. Not such a bad AB really.
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Leadoff double for Jhonny Peralta. Molina pops up to Rizzo.
Huge out.
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St. Louis in business. 1st and 3rd.
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Ross drops the ball at the plate allowing the Sac fly. (idiot)
Two down, 2-1 Cubs.
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Ross never had a good grip on the ball. Too bad, as the throw was decent.
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Ross swinging on 3-0? Crazy.
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Wood is pulled for Cahill after 2 2/3.
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Pitchers are definitely not getting the low strike today...
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Wood is pulled for Cahill after 2 2/3.
Wasted no time
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Soler! Bang!
3-1 Cubs.
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Wow, Soler tattooed that ball. Not sure I've ever seen a ball leave the park quite that fast.
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Bryant! #25!
4-1!
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Back-to-back bombs and they weren't cheap either.
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Rizzo goes to left for a single.
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Come on Castro.
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Kris Bryant <33333
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Castro K's.
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Castro fans. I'm pretty impressed with today's makeshift lineup.
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Rizzo picked off
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Really poor baserunning by Rizzo. I agree with those who feel he needs a day or two off.
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Milo Hamilton was awesome.
Austin Jackson with a nice running catch in RF.
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Folwer in CF, Soler out, Jackson moves to RF.
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Cahill drills Wong in the leg.
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Excellent outing by Cahill.
4-1 bottom of the 6th.
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Gotta effect Card psyche that we're hitting their better pitchers and they can't hit our bottom pitchers. Of course, the Cards have a good week to come out of their funk.
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Nice manufactured run as Denorfia moves to second on Ross' bunt and scores on LaStella's hit. 5-1.
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Rizzo with another boot.
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Another Rizzo error on an exceptionally easy play. Day off, please.
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I'd give him 2 days off.
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Do we even have a backup first baseman? Coghlan?
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Rizzo really needs to stop with the stupid errors.
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Cubs get out of it. Whew.
5-1 bottom of the 7th.
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Grimm comes in, and Bryant makes a great snag to rob Peralta of a base hit. Starting to feel pretty good about this team, you know?
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It's nice to have Len on the national broadcast instead of Fox's normal announcers. I hope they keep him around during the playoffs.
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Now an awful K by Rizzo.
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Castro does a nice job legging out an infield hit to Peralta, who made a great play but couldn't get the ball to first in time.
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Rodney pegs Wong in the leg.
Warnings have been issued.
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Bottom of the 8th, 5-1 Cubs.
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Rondon has been tossed.
Rosscup coming in.
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Garcia turned right into that pitch. Ridiculous.
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You are not going to intentionally hit a batter in the ninth inning of a game that means this much.
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Good grief
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He basically got tossed for throwing inside. Another lame Cardinal gimmick, as far as I'm concerned.
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Basically, Garcia could've been called for not trying to get out of the way of that pitch.
We wouldn't have this problem if the idiotic Cardinals hadn't hit Rizzo on purpose yesterday.
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5-3. Bad umpiring has made this a game again.
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Gone.
Rosscup sucks.
5-3, 0 outs.
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2-run homer for Carpenter.
OK, bases empty and a two run lead. Just get three outs, Zac.
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This is starting to smell like another dispiriting loss.
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Base hit, tying run up. Rosscup needs to be released.
Heyward up.
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Tying run up. For some reason, they're just going to let Rosscup get hit around instead of going to another reliever.
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This should take away any doubt as to whether Rosscup will be on the playoff roster.
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Why would you give Carpenter a fastball with two strikes in that situation? After he flailed at that curve?
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1st and 3rd. 0 outs. LOL!!! Comical garbage from a pos pitcher.
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Ugh, this is turning ugly.
I just can't believe they ejected Rondon because Garcia leaned into a pitch. Just terrible umpiring.
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This should end any remote chance to finish ahead of the Cards. I hate those turds with a passion.
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6-4-3 please.
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Surprised that Peralta took that strike three down the middle. 1 out now.
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5-4, 2 down.
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RUSSELL!!!!
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WHAT A PLAY BY RUSSELL TO END THE GAME!!!!
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Russell with a nice grab, force out, Cubs win.
Had 'em all the way!
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Lousy cutoff throw by Jackson.
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Great play by Russell.
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Take that, Turds.
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What a play!
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Russell and Strop!
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Ahem
Wood beats Wacha lmao.
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This should take away any doubt as to whether Rosscup will be on the playoff roster.
agreed. I had higher hopes for him.
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For anyone who missed the Addison Russell play to end the game (and those who want to see it again).
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/chc/video/v489539383/stlchc-russell-makes-outstanding-dive-ends-game/?partnerId=as_chc_20150919_52719426&adbid=10153486176320659&adbpl=fb&adbpr=30530605658
Go Cubs Go!
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Wow, Soler tattooed that ball. Not sure I've ever seen a ball leave the park quite that fast.
I did. I was at the park when Banks hit his (I think) second home run. It was a line drive that was never 20 feet off the ground.
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Carrie Muskat @CarrieMuskat
And Bryant follows with 25th HR. He's now tied with HOF Billy Williams' club rookie record. #Cubs
John Baker @manbearwolf 52m52 minutes ago
John Baker retweeted Carrie Muskat
Feel like I'll probably hear, "Bryant ties HOF'er ... " again in the future. John Baker added,
Heh, heh.
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I am NOT saying that Russell is or will be as good as Ozzie Smith, but that play to end the game was one that Smith could have been proud of.
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I am NOT saying that Russell is or will be as good as Ozzie Smith, but that play to end the game was one that Smith could have been proud of.
Cardinal lover
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Rizzo deserves some big props for cutting off that throw that had no chance to get the runner at the plate. Had he not done that, the runner on first (Heyward?) would have made it to second, and Russell would have had to throw the batter out at first instead of getting the easy(-ish) force at second.
This team really is amazing. This ninth inning would have been an ugly loss two years ago.
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More like 2 weeks ago.
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I am NOT saying that Russell is or will be as good as Ozzie Smith, but that play to end the game was one that Smith could have been proud of.
As good as I think Russell is at SS, I find myself wondering if Baez isn't just as good, or better. Javy makes SS look so easy.
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As good as I think Russell is at SS, I find myself wondering if Baez isn't just as good, or better. Javy makes SS look so easy.
Could be. Kinda awesome.
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Also...is anyone else curious if Cahill could be a viable option as a 5th starter next season?
He has more velocity than I thought, and none of his pitches are straight. He gets great, late movement on every pitch, it seems. I have no idea how he was so hittable earlier this season.
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Some of us think Joe Buck is an out and out homer when he announces any game involving St. Louis so I wonder what Cardinals fans thought of the job Len Kasper did today.
My guess is they both make every effort to be impartial but their knowing a lot more about one team may make it sound like bias.
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I'd like Cahill back in the role Villanueva had in 2013-14. With four of the rotation spots likely already set with Arrieta, Lester, Hammel, and Hendricks, I hope they'll add someone better than Cahill for the last spot. But he'd be a nice guy to have in a long man role where he may get 5-10 starts.
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I hope Hendricks's spot isnt set.
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As good as I think Russell is at SS, I find myself wondering if Baez isn't just as good, or better. Javy makes SS look so easy.
I agree. And he also can give gold glove performances at second and third base. But I would love to see Baez tried in center field.
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Also...is anyone else curious if Cahill could be a viable option as a 5th starter next season?
He has more velocity than I thought, and none of his pitches are straight. He gets great, late movement on every pitch, it seems. I have no idea how he was so hittable earlier this season.
At one time, Cahill was one of the top young starters in the game. What happened to the guy?
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I agree. And he also can give gold glove performances at second and third base. But I would love to see Baez tried in center field.
I suspect we will.
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Unless we trade Starlin I dont think Javy ends up in CF but if we keep him it's a good idea.
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If we're going to move an infielder to CF, I'd be curious to see what Bryant could do out there.
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If we're going to move an infielder to CF, I'd be curious to see what Bryant could do out there.
bingo
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Bryant = Dale Murphy in the OF?
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I'd rather just keep the infielders on the infield and bring back Fowler.
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Pretty obvious that Maddon feels limited at times by a 4-man bench, so willing to move guys around. Get that.
But, don't take that into silly season territory. Bryant is not going to be moved off 3B nor is Baez moving to CF, on some kind of permanent, primary position basis. By the way, fifth year as a pro and Baez has yet to play an inning in the OF. Baez is way too valuable defensively as a MIF and Bryant is going to be Cubs 3B for bunch of years.
Next we're going to move Bryant to LF to make room for Mike Olt?
There is no logjam. Castro very likely to be traded and 2B is open for Baez.
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There is no logjam. Castro very likely to be traded and 2B is open for Baez.
No one mentioning the possibility of Baez playing the OF (and Baez was the first, with Maddon being the second -- I was simply the first one here) have mentioned a thing about a logjam. No one seems to think there is one. Stop trying to fight windmills.
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We've got 4 guys competing for three infield spots (Russell, Bryant, Castro, Baez).
Knowing how injuries take a toll most seasons, I'd love to see us keep all those guys (unless we get a STRONG offer for Castro).
Then, next season, Russell, Bryant, Castro, Baez, Schwarber and Soler each get one day off a week to stay fresh for the long haul (and give us depth)...maybe Schwarber/Soler platoon some, maybe Bryant plays a fair amount of RF and Schwarber some at C so they get more ABs. I'd like to see Bryant practice at 1B in the event Anthony goes down, God forbid.
It's EXTREMELY important to have quality depth. One or two will likely go down for a month or more during the course of the season and we've seen that Joe REALLY knows how to use a bench!
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Pretty obvious that Maddon feels limited at times by a 4-man bench, so willing to move guys around. Get that.
But, don't take that into silly season territory. Bryant is not going to be moved off 3B nor is Baez moving to CF, on some kind of permanent, primary position basis. By the way, fifth year as a pro and Baez has yet to play an inning in the OF. Baez is way too valuable defensively as a MIF and Bryant is going to be Cubs 3B for bunch of years.
Next we're going to move Bryant to LF to make room for Mike Olt?
There is no logjam. Castro very likely to be traded and 2B is open for Baez.
You have a hard time with reality.
You claimed that Bryant would never be moved off third base for a lesser prospect. And yet he has been moved off third base for Baez, Castro, and even Coghlan.
You claimed that a prospect would never be moved to a less valued position. And yet Schwarber has moved from catcher to left field, the least valued position on the field.
Even you must have noticed that even though never played an inning at second base, Maddon started him at second base. Even you must have noticed that even though you claimed that Coghlan would never play second base except in an emergency, he played second base when it was not an emergency.
It seems that Maddon doesn't accept your logic.
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Maddon obviously is just not very bright.
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I don't think it's likely that Baez will be tried in the OF. With Bryant, Russell, Baez, and Castro all being RH hitters, there is not much urgency in getting them all in the lineup together. If necessary (against a tough LH starter), Bryant can play corner OF. Against an RH starter, one of the four of them comes off the bench. You lose almost nothing defensively with this approach, given the ability of Baez to play plus defense at all three infield positions.
Of course, there is the issue of CF for next season. I expect the Cubs to solve this either by extending Fowler or through a short term acquisition, awaiting the possible arrival of Almora in 2017/8.
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We have some wonderful young guys at the MLB level, but we have to be objective. We need another pitcher and that means trading an asset. We have too many guys who K. They K a lot. If that can't be cut down, then the front office will trim it with a trade or two to obtain players who make contact. What I'm saying is that I strongly doubt we're keeping all those players, regardless of how attached we are. And when it happens there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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TBS televises today
Fowler CF
Schwarber LF
Coghlan RF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
La Stella 2B
Russell SS
Ross C
Lester P
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We have some wonderful young guys at the MLB level, but we have to be objective. We need another pitcher and that means trading an asset. We have too many guys who K. They K a lot. If that can't be cut down, then the front office will trim it with a trade or two to obtain players who make contact. What I'm saying is that I strongly doubt we're keeping all those players, regardless of how attached we are. And when it happens there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
They may well trade someone. But at the present time, they do not have to a surplus in the sense that there is no room for someone. And there is a lot of pitchers available this winter on the free agent market. I don't think the Cubs are going to go after a TOR pitcher either in trade or free agent market. And I wouldn't want to trade one of our top prospects for a MOR pitcher.
Sign a couple of Hammels and a couple of good relievers and you will have a team that can compete with anyone, especially in this era of low offense. Look how Toronto dominates the competition this year.
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You have a hard time with reality.
You claimed that Bryant would never be moved off third base for a lesser prospect. And yet he has been moved off third base for Baez, Castro, and even Coghlan.
You claimed that a prospect would never be moved to a less valued position. And yet Schwarber has moved from catcher to left field, the least valued position on the field.
Even you must have noticed that even though never played an inning at second base, Maddon started him at second base. Even you must have noticed that even though you claimed that Coghlan would never play second base except in an emergency, he played second base when it was not an emergency.
It seems that Maddon doesn't accept your logic.
Dave-If it was up to you, Cubs rookies would still be in minors. Can't rush these guys. Heard that mantra time and again from you. Welcome to 2016. How did Iowa do? You should be embarrassed how wrong you have been this season.
News for you. Bryant has not been moved off 3B. He has filled in elsewhere at times, which I anticipated and said months ago. You, on the other hand, time and again said and antipated Mike Olt at 3B as Cubs regular 3B. Olt over Bryant at 3B. Silly season on that. When I suggested Olt might be DFA recently, you said no, too valuable. That is your track record.
As to Schwarber, since you mentioned him, what has happened is almost exactly what I said months ago--would be brought up--not in September--but earlier and would get most ABs in LF. You, on other hand, wanted him in minors--until 2017? Late 2016? Nobody as been more wrong on Schwarber than you. Seriously?
As to Coghlan, I was wrong that he wouldn't play 2B and acknowledged I was wrong on that--and even posted giving you credit for that. Have you ever admitted you got something wrong, even once? You have so many opportunities, you should give it a try. In any case, how often is Coghlan playing 2B now? When you stumble into saying something correct, seems to be fleeting, no?
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Well Lester sucks today. 3-0 in the top of the first.
I don't know how the Cardinals continually find career minor leaguers turned short time stars like Tommy Pham.
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Cardinal wonder boys go off after Marquez misses strike three on Heyward.
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For what it's worth, Pham's minor league numbers are actually quite good, always showing good K & BB rates, solid power, and elevated BABIP's. He battled numerous injuries, and, as a result, took longer to make it to the bigs than most CF's with his numbers would. But if you look at his player page from 2010 on, he has some very good numbers there. And, as I've said multiple times, Piscotty has always been a well-regarded prospect, 1st round draft pick and all that.
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Schwarber had a one out walk, but otherwise the Cubs looked weak in the bottom of the first. Through one inning, the Cardinals look a lot more into this game than the Cubs.
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We need to stomp on them and grind them into the dust.
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Another line drive hit to lead off the second. The Cardinals are crushing Lester so far.
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Cardinals runners have already come in unnecessarily hard twice at second base. First was Heyward, who ended up hitting La Stella about waist level with his slide. And then Molina slid in to take out Russell after Russell had already clearly made the decision not to throw to first.
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You think they weren't going to retaliate for the hit batters?
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None of the hit batters were on purpose. But yeah, I guess I should continue to expect bush league play from the Cardinals.
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How do you know what was on purpose?
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Chris doesn't defend the Cardinals, ever.
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Just asking a legitimate question and dealing in facts, tico. Try it sometime.
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Right, defending the Cardinals' play. With "facts" and "questions." Like an attorney might.
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You could see Yadier apologize to Addison after the slide.
That wasnt a dirty play.
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The first two HBPs yesterday came on the 6th pitch of the ABs. Both ABs had multiple pitches in the strike zone before the HBPs. Why would they pitch to Wong for 5 pitches, then decide to hit him with a 2 strike pitch on pitch #6?
There are so many reasons why it makes no sense for Rondon's to be intentional that I don't even know where to start. He's the Cubs best reliever. They'd been warned, meaning they'd be risking ejection and maybe even suspension for their best reliever by throwing at the batter. If they're going to hit someone intentionally, Hunter or Rosscup would have done it. On top of that, Garcia was up--what kind of message would the Cubs be sending by hitting a backup infielder? And then there's the fact that it was a 1-2 count--again, he pitched a whole AB to Garcia before hitting him. Finally, Garcia even turned right into the ball and made no effort to get out of the way.
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br, Chris is just dealing in facts.
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Molina's slide:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPXmPC6UAAAY4bq.jpg)
Pretty clearly a very late slide, as he hasn't even completely hit the ground yet and he's already halfway past second base. Spikes are also up. And Russell wasn't even about to throw.
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The first two HBPs yesterday came on the 6th pitch of the ABs. Both ABs had multiple pitches in the strike zone before the HBPs. Why would they pitch to Wong for 5 pitches, then decide to hit him with a 2 strike pitch on pitch #6?
There are so many reasons why it makes no sense for Rondon's to be intentional that I don't even know where to start. He's the Cubs best reliever. They'd been warned, meaning they'd be risking ejection and maybe even suspension for their best reliever by throwing at the batter. If they're going to hit someone intentionally, Hunter or Rosscup would have done it. On top of that, Garcia was up--what kind of message would the Cubs be sending by hitting a backup infielder? And then there's the fact that it was a 1-2 count--again, he pitched a whole AB to Garcia before hitting him. Finally, Garcia even turned right into the ball and made no effort to get out of the way.
Ah, someone answers the question without juvenile deflections. See, it can be done tico.
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BR, I don't BELIEVE the first or third hit batters were intentional. Rodney's looked worst of the three. Either way, we are all guessing.
Also, Garcia didn't turn into that pitch. Not even close. He tried to turn away from the pitch.
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/chc/video/v489497983/stlchc-rondon-maddon-ejected-after-hbp/?game_pk=415873
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br, Chris is just dealing in facts.
And you've done nothing but resort to copy/paste insults instead. Congrats.
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Base hit for Rizzo.
4-2 Cardinals.
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Rodney is notoriously wild. He's only a little less wild than Marmol was. I don't think you could count on him to hit anyone intentionally.
To me, it didn't look like Garcia made any move to get out of the way of the pitch. He just turned and took it off his back. It looked like he knew there was no chance he was going to hit, so he took one for the team. That's completely fair on his part, but the umpire should have had the discretion not to throw Rondon out. Ejections aren't automatic, even after warnings.
In any case, Belisle's pitch was pretty clearly intentional. It happened on the first pitch, aimed at the lower body. He was thrown out immediately and the Cardinals didn't argue. I don't see any evidence for the Cubs' pitches being anything but accidental.
Cubs just got 2 runs. 4-2 game now.
Maybe Heyward's momentum took him to waist level and Molina just got a little tripped up and slid late. But it's a pattern to watch for the rest of the game.
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The Molina slide was clearly late.
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Bryant K's for the 1,000th time
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Lester throws one down the middle called for ball 4. That was pretty lame call by the ump.
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Chris, I copied/pasted YOU.
There was PLENTY of discussion about the HBP's yesterday, so I'm not sure why you're treating br's responses today as though they are novel and new. When br raised the issue of the Cardinals' hard slides, you predictably chirped up in their defense. Given your recent challenges to other posters that they find but a single instance where you defend the Cardinals, I thought I'd point out the obvious. That's all I've said.
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Rodney is notoriously wild. He's only a little less wild than Marmol was. I don't think you could count on him to hit anyone intentionally.
Very possible and perhaps likely. Of the three though, it was the one that didn't look good after all that happened the day before.
Beliele's pitch was almost certainly intentional. And no way on earth was Haren throwing at Holliday's head or upper body. But all things considered it's not shocking the Cardinals might try to retaliate in some form or fashion. I would've been shocked had they not, particularly since this is the last game between the teams.
To me, it didn't look like Garcia made any move to get out of the way of the pitch. He just turned and took it off his back.
I don't know what else you wanted him to do to prevent from getting hit. The ball was 96 mph up and in.
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Chris, I copied/pasted YOU.
When br raised the issue of the Cardinals' hard slides, you predictably chirped up in their defense. Given your recent challenges to other posters that they find but a single instance where you defend the Cardinals, I thought I'd point out the obvious. That's all I've said.
What you've said is a falsehood. I never defended any slides the Cardinals have made whatsoever and you're smart enough to know this.
I asked if BR was surprised the Cardinals tried to retaliate. Do you not get the irony of your allegation? I never said the Cardinals were playing like angels, but the opposite. Neither did I say any such retaliation was warranted. Anyone who saw what went on the past two games had to think something was coming today in some form or fashion. If you'd quit with the gotcha games, you'd see that too.
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If you freeze frame the video, you can see the rotation of his body took him closer to the pitch. In fact, if he doesn't move at all, there's a good chance he doesn't get hit at all.
In terms of what he could have done, he could have stepped away from the pitch, ducked, etc. There are any number of possible physical movements that would have taken him further from the ball as opposed to closer to it.
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Chris doesn't defend the Cardinals, ever.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
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I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe anyone looking at that replay can come to the conclusion that Garcia turned into that pitch unless they're thinking with their hearts.
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Pretty clearly a very late slide, as he hasn't even completely hit the ground yet and he's already halfway past second base. Spikes are also up. And Russell wasn't even about to throw.
Whatever happened to the way middle infielders used to discourage plays like this by throwing the ball very clearly into the face of the oncoming runner?
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I'd hope we can at least agree that it's time for the Cubs to steal a game from the Cardinals for a change.
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Chris, I can't say whether or not he was trying to get hit, but I have freeze-framed the video multiple times. He is CLEARLY closer to the plate when getting hit than when setting up in the box. This is not a matter of "thinking with the heart." This a matter of eyesight. There are literally an infinite number of possible physical motions that would have resulted in the opposite outcome, so saying that you don't know what else could have been expected of the hitter doesn't make sense. Thousands upon thousands of hitters have done differently and avoided getting hit by a pitch tens of thousands of times.
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Maybe Garcia's natural swing starts by going towards the plate, I don't know. Lots of batters get hit moving towards the plate or pitcher. But he barely, barely, twitched forward before turning away. Since he couldn't have possibly known the pitch was going to come up and in beforehand, I don't see what this solves.
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Can't believe more isn't being made of Marquez' missed strike three to Heyward in the 1st. Likely cost the Cubs two runs.
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Randy Hundley with the slowest-ever rendition of the 7th inning stretch. That was awesome.
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Siegrist in. Think I'd go with Soler for Schwarber here.
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I know they are losing, but ....
How fun to watch a meaningful Sepember game in Wrigley as the shadows creep in on a beautiful Sunday afternoon?! It just looks so cool at Wrigley right now. Wish I could be there.
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Bottom of the 8th, 1st and 2nd, 0 outs with Bryant up.
If they are going to anything this may be the last chance.
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Now Martinez's HBP on Starlin did look bad.
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Walked.
Bases loaded, 0 outs.
Oh for a gapper Le Stella.
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2-0 is the count...
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Ball 4.
4-3 St. Louis.
Still 0 outs.
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Wait, did Len just say they're going to Maness here? He realizes this is the save right here, right? Rosenthal isn't going to do you much good in the 9th if the Cubs go up here.
Thanks, Matheny.
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Rizzo throw out by 50 feet.
That will be that. 2 down.
Idiot. That was just dumb to run on Heyward on a short fly ball.
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Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid send. Just stupid.
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Terrible send. There were NO Outs!
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Rizzo out by a mile. Unbelievable. He had no chance to score, Heyward has a good arm.
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Now Rosenthal comes in.
Stupid send. WTF were thinking?
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Seems smart to run on the best outfielder in the game with a slow runner and two outs left.
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With one out, maybe. But that was a really bad decision.
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Rizzo has to know better no matter what the 3rd base coach told him to do.
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Really bizarre send on a shallow fly ball to Heyward, who has a great arm. Can't believe it.
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Montero blown away.
Idiotic baseball. Just stupid. 1 run out of all that.
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If the Cubs lose this game, seems to me that it's on Gary Jones. Don't see any justification for sending Rizzo. It will be interesting to see Joe try to defend it (if he does).
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Would've been nice for Russell to do something other than pop up to shallow right too. He's been awful in those situations all year. (.167 average, .449 OPS)
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He should have made him throw a strike. That was not a hitter's strike.
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As JD said on the broadcast, clearly the play is to send Rizzo. Was not "shallow" but medium CF. Throw on a hop. Think Heyward can reach plate on fly from "shallow" center?
You guys are way too result oriented. Took a perfect throw and by time Molina wheeled around, Rizzo was only two feet from the plate. Less than perfect, he's in. You have to force the perfect throw and tag. That's big league baseball there.
If throw was off and didn't send him, folks would complain about that. It's not just about the result.
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Heyward has one of the best arms in baseball.
It was dumb no matter how you spin it.
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Castro singles to center.
Needed that last inning.
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Heyward had all his momentum coming towards the plate, has a terrific arm, and Rizzo is a subpar runner.
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For the first time ever, berry is thrown out.
More stupid baseball and coaching.
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Tony Cruz makes the big play now.
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Soler K's.
This game is all but done for.
What a joke.
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Bummer. Should have gone earlier in count.
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Nationals win.
Giants winning.
Pirates winning.
Cubs **** that one away.
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Hard to quite call that a blown game since they never lead but they had it on a platter in the 8th.
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Weak effort on multiple fronts. They're going to have to shake this one off and move on.
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They blew it. Too many chances in the end. Cardinals were on the ropes and some pretty bad decisions cost them.
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That would've been a questionable send if Fowler was running. With Rizzo, it was just awful.
If Rizzo doesn't get caught, Maness probably stays in to try to get the DP. It's completely different AB for Montero.
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Yeah, disagree completely with Deshaies if he thought that was a good send. Heyward was about 40 feet back of the dirt when he caught the ball in RC and had all his momentum coming towards the plate.
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/chc/video/v492457083/stlchc-heyward-catches-ball-then-throws-out-rizzo/?game_pk=415888
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I don't agree with him either.
That changed the whole momentum around.
Coaching cost us in this one.
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Good game and series. Fun game to watch. Disappointing they didn't cash in in the 8th but they almost game back from 4-0 down.
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As JD said on the broadcast, clearly the play is to send Rizzo. Was not "shallow" but medium CF. Throw on a hop. Think Heyward can reach plate on fly from "shallow" center?
You guys are way too result oriented. Took a perfect throw and by time Molina wheeled around, Rizzo was only two feet from the plate. Less than perfect, he's in. You have to force the perfect throw and tag. That's big league baseball there.
If throw was off and didn't send him, folks would complain about that. It's not just about the result.
My memory was different, so I reversed my broadcast video to double check J.D.'s characterization. After earlier referring to the fly as being "relatively shallow" one, and saying people may question sending Rizzo with no outs, J.D. actually said "if the catch is the second out, clearly the play is to send him." I question whether many here would have complained if Rizzo had not been sent under those circumstances. I certainly would not have.
In fairness, after the game, Kaplan and Hollandsworth both agreed with the send. But I'm not convinced it took a "perfect" throw to get Rizzo, as the play was not that close. Hollandsworth said if the throw had been off by a couple of feet either way, there would have been a different result, and I do agree with that. Perhaps our reaction was a bit too adamant, but I don't think it was over the top.
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Did you listen to what you posted? cards guy said took the best play that Heyward has made ALL SEASON to throw out the runner!
You make it sound like it was routine play. It was not. You're looking with biased eyes. Understandable, of course. I get that. But, the guy made a great play. It happens. It was the right send--as the tying run--and sometimes the opposition does a good job too.
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Did you listen to what you posted? cards guy said took the best play that Heyward has made ALL SEASON to throw out the runner!
You make it sound like it was routine play. It was not. You're looking with biased eyes. Understandable, of course. I get that. But, the guy made a great play. It happens. It was the right send--as the tying run--and sometimes the opposition does a good job too.
Yeah, that was McCarver calling it the best play Heyward's made as a Cardinal which is par for the course in its silliness. He made a routine catch 40 feet behind the dirt and used his very strong arm to throw out an average at best runner.
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Quinton Berry 25-25 in steals as a major leaguer.
His first attempt as a Cub in a crucial situation and he gets thrown out by Yadier Molina........'s backup.
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Not sure what the about Berry was. It was a terrific throw that barely got him. Think it was inevitable he'd get thrown out some time. Too bad it happened then.
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It inevitably happened as a Cub.
On his first attempt.
As the tying run in the 9th.
To a backup with a 13% caught stealing percentage.
After the good fortune of Molina leaving with a hand injury.
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Let's have the definitive announcers opinion on the play at the plate: What did Chip Caray say?
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I missed today's game, but noticed Lester picked off Peralta. How did that occur? (did Lester, somehow, make a good pickoff move to 1st or did Peralta fall down?)
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Lester made a good waist high throw to first base. Not quite a lob, but not a hard throw, either. The runner had such a large lead that he didn't even try to get back, but took off for second and was caught in a run down.
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My memory was different, so I reversed my broadcast video to double check J.D.'s characterization. After earlier referring to the fly as being "relatively shallow" one, and saying people may question sending Rizzo with no outs, J.D. actually said "if the catch is the second out, clearly the play is to send him." I question whether many here would have complained if Rizzo had not been sent under those circumstances. I certainly would not have.
In fairness, after the game, Kaplan and Hollandsworth both agreed with the send. But I'm not convinced it took a "perfect" throw to get Rizzo, as the play was not that close. Hollandsworth said if the throw had been off by a couple of feet either way, there would have been a different result, and I do agree with that. Perhaps our reaction was a bit too adamant, but I don't think it was over the top.
Yes, you're right that JD said second out. Thanks for correction.
Key to that play--and why think took perfect throw--Is time it takes for catcher to receive a throw from RF and rotate to get into tag position. Very different and easier/quicker play for catcher if from LF.
What you saw was Molina receiving ball well before Rizzo...but by time catcher can get into tag position, Rizzo has advanced on plate quite a bit and play was close. No controversy on out call but we can lose sight at how close play was if focus on when catcher received ball, rather than when tag applied. Throw put Molina in perfect position to rotate and tag, and Heyward quick release was fabulous. All of that made it outstanding play.
Notion that the send was dumb is result-oriented, period--for those who may have said that. I have no problem with that send. Sometimes, we just have to give the other team credit.
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Throw put Molina in perfect position to rotate and tag, and Heyward quick release was fabulous. All of that made it outstanding play.
Whether or not one thinks that was a great play---I don't---it's one Heyward makes all the time in his sleep which is why his defensive metrics are through the roof. Which is why it is pretty much baffling that Rizzo was sent.
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Thread is ridiculous. They dusted the cardinals up last two series and had a shot today and it's a funeral in here. Good for the Cardinals for the game they salvaged. F em. They aren't long for the playoffs.
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Maybe because the Cubs would be 2 back of the division lead had they found a way to win today and not blown the game in St. Louis two weeks ago.
And they'd be tied with the Pirates who they are now 2 behind.
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Watching that play, Heyward set up much deeper than where the ball was. That might have fooled Rizzo and Jones into thinking that there was a good chance to score. But given where Heyward caught the ball (and knowing that he has a great arm and his momentum was moving him forward) it was a mistake to try and score it that situation.
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Yeah they can't win them all. I don't think one guy in that clubhouse is trembling at the thought of facing this cardinals team whatsoever.
Anyways not going down that rabbit hole any further.
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Watching that play, Heyward set up much deeper than where the ball was. That might have fooled Rizzo and Jones into thinking that there was a good chance to score. But given where Heyward caught the ball (and knowing that he has a great arm and his momentum was moving him forward) it was a mistake to try and score it that situation.
I think that's a really good point. Certainly makes the send make much more sense to me. What I (and maybe others) were basing our disappointment on was where Heyward caught the ball, advancing pretty rapidly after getting into position. In the split second of making the decision, I can see why it looked like Rizzo was likely to make it.
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Wendell Kim would have sent Rizzo too.
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I think that's a really good point. Certainly makes the send make much more sense to me. What I (and maybe others) were basing our disappointment on was where Heyward caught the ball, advancing pretty rapidly after getting into position. In the split second of making the decision, I can see why it looked like Rizzo was likely to make it.
Rizzo was barely out, and that was with a nearly perfect throw and a nearly perfect catch and tag. Sending Rizzo was a good call, even if he ended up tagged out.
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The worst part of today is that I was stuck at a bar at a golf course grabbing lunch during the first inning. It was full of Cardinal fans. The most knowledgeable fans in the world argued that the ball Schwarber dropped should have been ruled fair because his feet were in fair territory. The snortin' and the hollerin' were gut wrenching.
Other than that, reading here and other places it sounded like we had lots of chances again and just didn't cash in. Man, that's tough.
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We took the last two series from the turd birds. We beat their ace yesterday with a bullpen game. Even in our losses, we're in until the end. Great series.
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The worst part of today is that I was stuck at a bar at a golf course grabbing lunch during the first inning. It was full of Cardinal fans. The most knowledgeable fans in the world argued that the ball Schwarber dropped should have been ruled fair because his feet were in fair territory. The snortin' and the hollerin' were gut wrenching.
Other than that, reading here and other places it sounded like we had lots of chances again and just didn't cash in. Man, that's tough.
You were playing golf on Sunday? No wonder we lost.
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As others have said or hinted at, even with this disappointing loss, the Cubs have been doing remarkably well - 3 out of 4 in Pittsburgh and 2 of 3 from the Cardinals is nothing to moan about. As Joe said, the team is showing and believing that they are as good as those guys and going forward that is very important. Catching the Cardinals would have required a collapse by the Cardinals even with a win (granted, they've been looking vulnerable lately). That's even more unlikely now, but the Cubs are a virtual lock for the playoffs and have a good shot at home field advantage against the Pirates.
Exciting and fun season and hopefully a fun playoffs. With even more excitement and fun in the future. Never a better time to be a Cub fan in my opinion.
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"Never a better time to be a Cub fan..." You are absolutely correct, Ron!
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Watching that play, Heyward set up much deeper than where the ball was. That might have fooled Rizzo and Jones into thinking that there was a good chance to score. But given where Heyward caught the ball (and knowing that he has a great arm and his momentum was moving him forward) it was a mistake to try and score it that situation.
There is a world of difference between watching a game on TV and being at the ballpark down low. One of the biggest differences is depth.
Where Jones is standing, he can see EXACTLY where that ball is coming down. Wrong to suggest that Cubs were fooled by Heyward's set-up. Of course he's going to set up for the best throwing opportunity. This is Baseball 101. Jones knows that.
Cubs also know Heyward very capable of making a terrific play. According to Retrosheet circa 2010, bases loaded-no outs, 87.7 chance a run(s) will score. Drops to 67.9% with one out, had Rizzo held. My own view is 50-50 to score on that play, given that it's Heyward. Came out wrong end of the 50-50, but still 28.8% chance 1st and 3rd, two outs. Nothing dumb about taking a shot there.
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If you knew it was a 50-50 chance in that spot, you hold the runner.
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Probabilities are close, either way.
50% chance, plus 29% chance with two outs if runner thrown out at plate.
68% chance if hold runner and Montero up with one out, but Montero is DP candidate with bases loaded, thereby ending inning. Might not get a shot to hit with two outs at all. Bases loaded, two outs, slightly better chance to score than first and third, two outs (walk) but negligible difference.
Hard to look at odds or actual situation and say dumb to send him. Well within range of reasonableness, either way.
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CF Fowler
LF Schwarber
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
2B Castro
C Montero
SS Russell
P Hammel
RF Coghlan
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I like that lineup other than the pitcher hitting 8th.
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Meh...needs more Baez.
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1st and 3rd already for Hammel
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Hammel is quickly becoming a problem.
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I'm not sure you even put Hammel on the NLDS roster at this point (if we get that far).
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It seems like it's not the rookies who have been making the bulk of the mistakes.
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The Cubs had better wake up quickly before this one gets out of hand. The playoffs are still not guaranteed.
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I'm not sure you even put Hammel on the NLDS roster at this point (if we get that far).
Becoming? He's been a problem for a while now.
Maddon is really creative. I'd really like to see him get creative enough that he sets up some kind of tandem pitcher program for the rest of the non-Lester/Arrieta starts. Plan to have Hammel, Hendricks, maybe Haren, and at least two of Wood, Richard, and Cahill work 4 innings. Stretch out the relievers and keep the H's stretched out. The Cubs' best chance in the non-Lester/Arrieta games in the playoffs is to just play match-ups as much as possible, so it would be nice to have 4-6 guys stretched out and able to go 4-5 innings.
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Hammel seems healthy. I think his struggles are all between his ears.
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Fowler needs to quit hot dogging it on his catches.
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Beautiful swing by Castro.
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Need to get Castro home here.
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Castro screws that up
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Montero doesn't appear to have a "contact scores the run" swing. He swings for the fences no matter what.
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Just can't have that K by Montero. Gotta put the ball in play.
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That replay was way too long for such an easy call.
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Joe appeared to be really mad. Maybe at Fowler?
Cubs lead 3-2.
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Can't imagine he's mad at Fowler, that's the kind of aggressiveness that he usually loves.
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Schwarber looks back on the ball. Wish he elevated that just a little bit. Would have gone through the bleachers.
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Nice job coming right back to take the lead.
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F-ing Castro
That's why he's hated
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Really, really sloppy error by Castro. All of Rizzo's recent errors have been sloppy. The Cubs need to get their heads back in the game defensively.
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They are playing terrible fundamental baseball tonight. Can't believe they are winning.
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As bad as Hammel has been struggling recently, it really hurts that the defense has already made him throw at least 10-15 extra pitches.
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Jason looks better this inning.
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Hammel bails out Castro.
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Peralta has nothing tonight. It would be nice if the Cubs could quickly pile on several runs before Counsell notices.
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Montero gets another chance.
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Cubs can bust this wide open.
But Montero is up
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Weak line out
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At least he put the ball in play!
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Russell walks.
4-2 Cubs.
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It would be nice if Hammel could get another run home here.
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Hammel swinging at balls. Why?
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Hammel just fouled a ball off his knee. That's not good. NL DH now.
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And Hammel GIDP after that. NL DH now.
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1 run out of all that.
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Nice effort by Hammel up there. But a bad result.
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Too bad pitcher was batting 8th.
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Hammel should have kept his bat on his shoulder. Would have easily walked in a run. Can't understand why he didn't take a strike.
Lucky to be winning, the way they are playing. Hope they tighten things up considerably.
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Not sure why you guys are expecting Hammel to have a decent AB and not swing. With the exception of Bumgarner, Wood, and maybe 3 or 4 other pitchers, pitcher ABs are awful. The NL needs to get in line with every other level of professional baseball and quit making baseball less interesting by having them hit.
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It doesn't take hitting ability to know to take a strike with the bases loaded after the pitcher has walked in a run. None of the first six pitches was a strike.
Not a big deal, but it was a really dumb approach.
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tie game
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Two run homer, and it's tied. Hammel is just terrible now, and the front office really failed at the trade deadline.
Also, it would be nice if pitchers didn't hit and kill rallies.
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Real smart walking a hitter before their only two home run threats. Tie game.
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Cubs have really been hitting the ball hard tonight, even on outs. They really need to break this open.
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Cubs looking to come right back with runs.
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Single, double, sac fly.
5-4 Cubs.
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Montero finally comes through.
6-4.
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It's nice to have bats that can compensate for deficiencies in pitching and defense.
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LaStella deserves a significant spot on this team next year.
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Hammel in line for a W.
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Another ball that should've been caught turns into a double. The Cubs are really sloppy tonight.
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Or not.
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6-4 Cubs after 5 1/2.
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It would be nice if Schwarber could make some adjustments at the plate. He's been struggling a bit.
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More sloppy play.
Brewers should have a runner at 3rd with 0 outs once this replay is over with.
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Wow they called him out.
I think they blew that one.
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I'm shocked they didn't overturn that.
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How was he out?
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If the replay judges in New York just made the call based on the video, I think he would've been out. But since they have to assume the umpire was right unless they see really obvious evidence to the contrary, the call stood.
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Well, I'll take it. Saved a run. It was clear enough for me, though.
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SOLER! 9-4.
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SOLER!
9-4.
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Soler!!!
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Soler 3 run homer!
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Nice move by Maddon to hit Soler for Montero.
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Baez doubles deep to left.
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Soler is making his case for the postseason roster.
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Schwarber has just been unlucky this month. .150 BABIP, 58.3 percent hard contact. That's just mind boggling.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=16478&position=C/OF&season=2015
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LOL, Baez was not only way out in front of that one, but hit it off the end of the bat, and still drove the ball off the wall in the well in LF...
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Soler is a lock for the postseason roster. Assuming they make the postseason.
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Absolutely...
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Hunter just kinda sucks
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"Batting practice" Hunter in to pitch the 8th.
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Assuming they make the postseason.
I'm starting to feel like you're going to be disappointed when the Giants are eliminated.
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I'm not one to tempt fate.
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I'll tempt fate. The Cubs will clinch a playoff spot before they play the Pirates on Friday. This weekend's series will only be about figuring out who is the top wild card.
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Not a pretty win, but a win nevertheless.
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Cubs win. Magic number is 4. If the Giants or Nationals win out, the Cubs have to play .333 ball to clinch the wild card.
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Cubs win!
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Joe says the errors are because of AC/DC
http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/joe_maddon_blames_acdc_for_sloppy_play/s1_7916_19581577
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Joe says the errors are because of AC/DC
http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/joe_maddon_blames_acdc_for_sloppy_play/s1_7916_19581577 (http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/joe_maddon_blames_acdc_for_sloppy_play/s1_7916_19581577)
Gordon Wittenmyer had essentially the same column which included this photo
(http://bullseye-prod.aggrego.org//wp-ag/wp-content/uploads/sites/71/2015/09/Screen-Shot-2015-09-22-at-1.01.19-AM.png?o=eyJ3aWR0aCI6NTUwLCJoZWlnaHQiOjM4NiwieCI6MC41LCJ5IjowLjV9&s=PXULrIB37X%2BxAU%2BvyEB9nYDyBfA%3D)
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Joe says the errors are because of AC/DC
http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/joe_maddon_blames_acdc_for_sloppy_play/s1_7916_19581577
Starlin Castro stayed out too late that night?
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wearing 8" heels?
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Fowler CF
Schwarber LF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Castro 2B
Coghlan RF
Montero C
Baez SS
Arrieta P
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Nice lineup.
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Meh...needs more Russell.
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Im starting to warm up to Joe.
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Brewers pitcher Tyler Cravy sucks. 0-7 with an ERA of over 5.
Dusty, in the Show on my game he is 1-5 with an ERA of 11.22.
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Cubs get no hit tonight?
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Bryant hits a 2-run homer to set the rookie record
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It's too bad Gennett was able to stick his bat out and somehow hit a double to lead off the game, because Arrieta has no hit stuff again tonight.
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Kris F'n Bryant
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I've seen Greinke's stats, but it's hard for me to believe there has been a better pitcher in baseball than Arrieta this year. He's just dominant every time out.
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Cubs need to wake up their bats and tack on a few more runs.
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C'mon, Schwarbs.
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Yes!
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Nice job by Fowler to score on that misplay.
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Arrieta through 6 innings. no runs, 2 hits, 6 Ks, and only 69 pitches.
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I need an Arrietta shutout tonight. I have him on Draftkings tonight.
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That K to end 7th had hellacious late break. Seems to have caught corner too, just for heck of it. Unhittable pitch. And, he does it a lot. Wow.
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Offense is pretty lame tonight against some bad pitchers.
But Jake has been fun to watch.
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Through 7 innings tonight, the league is hitting .193/.243/.279 against Arrieta this year. That's a .522 OPS.
There are 10 NL pitchers with a better OPS this year. And two more (Tim Hudson at .521; Doug Fister at .517) are basically tied.
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That K to end 7th had hellacious late break. Seems to have caught corner too, just for heck of it. Unhittable pitch. And, he does it a lot. Wow.
J.D. is just marveling at Arrieta. Not just his performance tonight, but his extraordinary consistency. Think he and Len said that Arrieta's second half (so far) is the best since Bob Gibson. After an impressive change-up by Arrieta, J.D. chuckled and pointed out that the change-up is Arrieta's fourth best pitch. Wonderful to have a guy like this on the team.
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Another run or two would be nice. 3-0, bottom of the 8th, Schwarber leads off with a hit.
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Unless the wheels really fall off in the 9th, this is Arrieta's 18th consecutive quality start. He has given up a total of 14 earned runs in 133 innings for an 0.95 ERA during that stretch. That is amazing, that has to be one of the best half-season stretches in the history of baseball.
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Bryant doubles in Schwarber. 4-0, no outs.
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As much as I'd like to see Arrieta finish off the shutout, I hope they pull him. Save an inning for later.
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Bryant to 3rd on Rizzo groundout, Russell with a 1-out chance.
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Coomer saying Jake will be back out there for the 9th. I know it's a milestone victory, but I'd rather let him call it a night and let the bullpen finish this one. He's gone 110+ pitches in about 5 straight starts.
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Russell K's, taking.
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Unless the wheels really fall off in the 9th, this is Arrieta's 18th consecutive quality start. He has given up a total of 14 earned runs in 133 innings for an 0.95 ERA during that stretch. That is amazing, that has to be one of the best half-season stretches in the history of baseball.
Not sure I got it quite right, but I think Pat and Ron said that if he can sustain that, that would be the 2nd best post-all-star ERA in the history of baseball.
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Looks like Arrieta is coming back out. Maddon seems to have decided he just doesn't get tired.
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Not sure I got it quite right, but I think Pat and Ron said that if he can sustain that, that would be the 2nd best post-all-star ERA in the history of baseball.
That's correct, craig.
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3 pitch K to start the 9th. Schafer has just been absolutely overmatched tonight. I hope someone asks him about Arrieta's Cy Young chances after the game.
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Best pitcher in Chicago, maybe baseball.
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Lind Ks. Arrieta is looking like he could go 12 innings, just like the 9th inning of the no hitter.
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One out away from a complete game shutout.
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If he doesn't get Davis, I pull him.
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Two of the three hits tonight were infield hits. The other was a double to lead off the game before Arrieta settled in...and really, that looked a lot like Ginnett stuck his bat into the strike zone and got lucky. This really was not far from being another no hitter.
Cubs win, Arrieta wins 20. Best pitcher in baseball.
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#20!
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Yes!
I was afraid of a walk there, and a really tough decision for Maddon.
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Nationals lost tonight.
Go Padres.
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I'm not sure I ever remember feeling like this about a pitcher. Just dominant. EVERY time.
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ERA down to 1.88. Greinke goes tomorrow against the Diamondbacks' surprisingly good offense.
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When is the last time a Cubs pitcher has had four complete games (let alone three shutouts) in a season?
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Sutcliffe had 6 CG's post-break in '84...I was just looking at his post-break stats for comparison to Big Jake.
Sut went 12-0 with a 2.93 ERA and a 1.056 WHIP. In 15 starts, he had 6 CG's and 2 shutouts. In 113.2 IP, he gave up 93 hits and 37 ER, allowing 8 HR's. He walked 27 and K'd 119.
Prior to tonight's start...
Arrieta is 9-1 with a 0.95 ERA and a 0.832 WHIP. In 12 starts, he has 1 CG and 1 shutout. In 85.1 IP, he has given up 49 hits and 9 ER, allowing 2 HR's. He has walked 22 and K'd 86.
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ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo
Jake Arrieta's shutout gives him a 0.48 ERA since Aug. 4, 4th-best mark in 10-game stretch since ER became official in both leagues in 1913.
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Sutcliffe had 6 CG's post-break in '84...I was just looking at his post-break stats for comparison to Big Jake.
Sut went 12-0 with a 2.93 ERA and a 1.056 WHIP. In 15 starts, he had 6 CG's and 2 shutouts. In 113.2 IP, he gave up 93 hits and 37 ER, allowing 8 HR's. He walked 27 and K'd 119.
Prior to tonight's start...
Arrieta is 9-1 with a 0.95 ERA and a 0.832 WHIP. In 12 starts, he has 1 CG and 1 shutout. In 85.1 IP, he has given up 49 hits and 9 ER, allowing 2 HR's. He has walked 22 and K'd 86.
Sutcliffe was the first guy I thought of. That was a fantastic summer.
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Sutcliffe was the first guy I thought of. That was a fantastic summer.
Yes it was. Loved that team. And it was only 31 years ago. The best, since it was the first time the Cubs had been in the playoffs since 1945. But I like and enjoy this team even more, and that is saying something.
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Mathews, Dernier, Moreland, Cey, Bowa, Sandberg, Durham and Davis. Loved those guys even though they broke my heart.
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I was kind of wondering the same thing last night. Arrieta is the best Cubs pitcher since ?? And of course it could turn into a semantics thing, because does one mean a season or pitcher.
If it's a season, I remember Prior's season in 2003 being pretty damn good, and Maddux in 92, but I don't think either of those are as good as what Arrieta has done. I'm also back to Sutcliffe in 84.
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The Cubs have never had a pitcher as dominant over the course of a season than Arietta. Sutcliffe was great in 84, but not as good as Arietta.
The best pitcher they have had over the course of several seasons was doubtless Jenkins. Arietta has a ways to go before he can match that, and one problem now is that with free agency, he is less likely to be around long enough to match his career.
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While not an exhaustive search the only season that has been close/better that I found by ERA- is Mordecai Brown in 1906 and 1909.
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Is there a line-up out for tonight?
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Yes. All five rookies are in it.
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CF Fowler
LF Schwarber
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
RF Soler
C Montero
2B Baez
SS Russell
P Hendricks
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Nevermind.
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I was hoping Baez was in. I started him on Draftkings tonight. Does anyone else play that site? It's been a blast so far. I haven't won much but it still is fun.
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Yes. All five rookies are in it.
I thought Baez didn't still qualify. Whether he is or not, it's still pretty cool.
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If a player is in the minors for more than 5 months, he regains his rookie status.
It is based on the length of time it takes for a girl to regain her virginity.
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Hendricks batting 9th. I wonder what's up with the 8th vs 9th deal?
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I'm hoping Joe isn't as committed to that concept as we get into post season mentality.
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I was hoping Baez was in. I started him on Draftkings tonight. Does anyone else play that site? It's been a blast so far. I haven't won much but it still is fun.
I've been playing Fanduel, which is basically the same thing. I had a nice little winning streak a couple weeks ago where I was winning $5-$10 a day (occasionally more), but it hasn't been going as well lately.
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I thought it took a woman 7 years to regain her virginity?
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I've been playing Fanduel, which is basically the same thing. I had a nice little winning streak a couple weeks ago where I was winning $5-$10 a day (occasionally more), but it hasn't been going as well lately.
I figure I'll hit a few rough patches myself but it's all for fun anyway.
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The Cubs have never had a pitcher as dominant over the course of a season than Arietta. Sutcliffe was great in 84, but not as good as Arietta.
The best pitcher they have had over the course of several seasons was doubtless Jenkins. Arietta has a ways to go before he can match that, and one problem now is that with free agency, he is less likely to be around long enough to match his career.
While not an exhaustive search the only season that has been close/better that I found by ERA- is Mordecai Brown in 1906 and 1909.
The raw ERA does not tell a great deal without comparing it to the league average and the next best few players behind the leader.
Arrieta's current ERA of 1.88 gives him an extremely impressive ERA+ of 210, second in the league in ERA and in ERA+. (Though since his FIP is only 2.44, we probably shouldn't even really be impressed.)
Prior in 2003 was at 2.43/179, 3rd best ERA in the league, but with a FIP of 2.47, for the best in the league.
Maddux in his best year as a Cub was 2.18/166, only good for 3rd best ERA in the league.
But Mordeci Brown really put them all to shame in 1906, with an ERA of 1.04, and ERA+ of 253 (Gibson in 1968 had an ERA+ of 258, Maddux in 1994 was a 271 and in 1993 a 260, while Pedro Martinez in 2000 was a 291, the best in the modern era). Brown was almost half a run better than the next best ERA in the league.... another Cub, Jack Pfister, and the next in the ERA race was a 3rd Cub, Ed Ruelbach. The Cubs' 4th starter was 9th in the league in ERA, Carl Lundgren. The team ERA that season was an amazing 1.75, better than all but 4 non-Cub pitchers that year.
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I've been playing Fanduel as well...won $25 on a $2 bet on last nights late games...went to bed thinking I was out of the money, but Pagan's HR late did me right...
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Milwaukee went down 1-2-3 in the first.
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It sure is a different feeling tuning into a Cubs game expecting a win as opposed to hoping for one.
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I figure I'll hit a few rough patches myself but it's all for fun anyway.
Yeah. I've been playing off my initial deposit of $25 since May. So even with a week or two of bad results, I've gotten more than my money's worth of fun out of it (and I'm still well ahead of where I started).
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Hendricks is doing his best Arrieta impression through three innings.
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Hendricks is perfect through 4 innings. 4 Ks, only 47 pitches.
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Davies is looking just as sharp as Hendricks, though. No score through 4 innings.
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Segura breaks up the perfect game with a weak infield single with 1 out in the 5th.
Brewers have 4 hits in the last 13 1/3 IP. Three of them are infield hits.
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Segura SB, then he scores on a single under Bryant's diving glove. Thought Schwarber had a good chance to throw him out there, but Segura must be really fast. 1-0 Brewers after 4 1/2 innings.
Davies came into tonight with a 6.00 career ERA. The Cubs will probably get to him in the next inning or two.
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Hate to dwell but.... I really hope Baez is at third next year. Bryant's lack of range has really hurt at some key moments.
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Davies had walked 12 in 21 innings coming into tonight. No walks through 4 innings.
But he walks Montero to start the 5th.
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I'm sure someone will post stats to show that I'm wrong...but it really feels like every leadoff walk the Cubs give up scores, and most leadoff walks they receive end up stranded.
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Fowler flies out to the wall to lead off the bottom of the 6th.
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Davies absolutely dominating the Cubs tonight. This was unexpected.
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Leadoff double for Lind, single by Davis, and it's 2-0. That might be the game with the way the Cubs bats are going tonight.
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Hendricks out after 6+ innings. Best start he's thrown in a long time, but he's in line for the loss.
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Grimm comes in and is throwing nothing but balls. Facing a minor league lineup, and he can't get the ball across the plate. First and second, no outs.
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Sad to see Grimm's struggles. Though he was a great 7th inning guy.
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Grimm has Marmol-like command tonight. This is ugly. Two walks and a strikeout through 3 batters.
Maddon is sticking with him for some reason.
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Schwarber with a circus catch and a flip of his glove and ball to Fowler. Brewers score another run, but that was amazing.
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Another walk, and Maddon finally pulls Grimm.
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Soler gets the Cubs on the board, 3-1. Probably time to find him a spot in the lineup every night.
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Soler joins the double-digits HR club...
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Schwarber catching, Bryant in Lf, Castro playing second, and Baez at 3B.
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Rosscup faced 3 batters, got 3 outs. Back in the conversation for the postseason roster?
Neil Ramirez suddenly is relevant again, coming into a 2 run game in the 8th.
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La Stella pinch hits for Russell to start the 8th.
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La Stella singles. He's been really good off the bench, I'm starting to like him.
Coghlan pinch hitting for Ramirez.
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Coghlan GIDP, hit it well but right at Sardinas at second.
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That may have been the game there.
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Fowler grounds out. It's going to take a 9th inning rally to avoid getting beat by this minor league team.
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Bryant CF, Coghlan LF, La Stella 3B, Baez SS. Second time tonight Maddon has moved four players to new positions in one inning. Bryant and Baez have both played three positions tonight. Maddon really likes moving guys around the field.
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Rondon in with 1 out in the 9th to keep it a 2 run game.
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The old Cubs would lose this one 4-3.
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I thought it took a woman 7 years to regain her virginity?
It depends largely upon the humidity.
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2 out hit by Maldonado, 4-1.
Just one of those games tonight. Probably the prototypical "you can't win 'em all" game...Brewers get better pitching than they should get, and balls fall in when the Brewers have runners on base.
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Cubs top 4 are 0-14 tonight.
Now 0-15 after Bryant grounds out.
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Shame when we're worried about our second line of starting pitching that we don't score for them off a bad pitcher when they pitch great.
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Cubs lose. I hate when they lose going into an off day.
That Schwarber diving catch and glove flip was the highlight of the night.
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That was a bad performance.
Pirates will gain another game tonight.
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Zach Davies was pretty highly regarded in the minors for a while and he showed why tonight. Excellent change up.
There are NO bad major leaguers. Catch any of them when they're "on" and they can cause problems.
Oh well. We still won another series and have a shot at the Pirates for home field and, if Bucs earn home field, we still have a decent shot at them at PNC.
With Arrieta on the bump.
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Zach Davies was pretty highly regarded in the minors for a while and he showed why tonight. Excellent change up.
There are NO bad major leaguers. Catch any of them when they're "on" and they can cause problems.
Oh well. We still won another series and have a shot at the Pirates for home field and, if Bucs earn home field, we still have a decent shot at them at PNC.
With Arrieta on the bump.
Okay, no bad major leaguers. There are, however, major leaguers with real bad stats.
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Kevin Orie was a really bad player.
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I didnt care much for Shawn Estes.
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Kevin Orie was a really bad player.
Orie looks like Babe Ruth compared to Gary Scott.
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Fowler CF
Schwarber LF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Coghlan RF
Russell SS
Ross C
Lester P
La Stella 2B
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Game is on. Lester gives up liner after liner after liner, but it's 1-2-3 first inning.
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Wind blowing in pretty hard, going to be hard to hit HR's today. Not good for the Cubs in that regard, since a lot easier to hit an occasional mistake over the wall then to sequence several hits against Cole.
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Schwarber walks, bryant goes to 3-2, then Maddon has Schwarber running and it's an easy K-and-throw DP. No runs no hits after first full inning.
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Russell showing off the range and the quickness...
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At the rate both teams are going through baseballs, the normal supply will be gone by the sixth inning.
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1-2-3 second for Lester.
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Rizzo drills a ball hard, but win blows it in like crazy and outfielders adjust dramatically to come in and catch it.
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Coghlan works a walk, Addison Russell bunts for a single. Pirates lucky not to throw it away.
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Two runners on, Russell's bunt single first hit of the day, sets up for Ross and Lester to try to drive in the first run. IN retrospect might have preferred Lester batting 9th this time. O well.
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37 pitches through two for Cole.
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Fine play on weak infield roller by Ross, Lester gets in one or more pretty decent swings, he's improved a lot as a hitter, before K.
Not sure I really want to match our bullpen against Pittsburgh's, but Cubs are working up Cole's pitch count.
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Cole drives in a run. The last game and this it seems like teams are hitting .700 with risp against us.
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Mercer doubles, Cole singles up the middle, 1-0 Pirates.
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Why was Russell playing so far in the hole against the pitcher?
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Cole drives in a run to make it 1-0. Lester had the opportunity to drive in runs but didn't capitalize.
Pitcher hitting matters and makes for a more interesting game. The DH should stay the hell out of the NL.
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Bryant leads off fourth, works the count, and rips a single. Rizzo gets ahead in the count, takes a big rip and bloops one over Harrison. Really good read by Bryant, goes 1st to 3rd.
1st and 3rd no outs, can we get one run in?
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Coghlan can't, whiffs.
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Russell hits a DP ball, but hits it weakly enough to beat it out, run scores. 1-1.
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Wish we could DH for Ross.
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Pretty nice catch by Schwarber.
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Cole drives in a run to make it 1-0. Lester had the opportunity to drive in runs but didn't capitalize.
Pitcher hitting matters and makes for a more interesting game. The DH should stay the hell out of the NL.
I had the opposite reaction to that pair of plays. Cole is a .161 career hitter with one career XBH, and he now has 9 career RBI. Virtually every hit he gets is a fluke (positioning of Russell helped him out on that one). There was no major league caliber skill there, just pure dumb luck for the Pirates.
Having a dead spot in the lineup makes for a less interesting game, IMO. The DH should be introduced in the NL as soon as possible. Hopefully, the next CBA takes care of it.
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I fully agree with DMF on this.
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Schwarber leads off 6th with a single, Cole goes Bryant 3-0, might be an inning, but Cole comes back and K's Bryant. Rizzo pounds one to left center, HR lots of days, but wind kills it, not even close. 1-1 after 6. Cole at 96 pitches, Lester at 88. With playoffs approaching soon, I'd think you'd not extend either guy too long.
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Aram rips a 1-2 pitch into the corner, leadoff double.
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Pinch runner for Aram.
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#5 hitter Cerveli, hitting .299, bunts successfully. Lead run on 3rd, one out.
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2-1 Pirates.
That might be it.
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Lester gets two strikes on Morse, but can't put him away, Morse singles to right, 2-1.
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Infield in fails again.
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Soler pounds one RCF, but McCutheon runs it down. He's good.
Easy inning for Cole, he's under 110 pitches. I assume they'll turn it over to their excellent bullpen for the 8th.
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Seems like Montero has had a hard time blocking balls in the dirt lately.
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Strop K's leadoff man but MOntero can't block the slider, then pinch single, 1st-and-3rd no outs.
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3-1 Pirates.
This game is so over.
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Mercer gets good jump on bouncer to short, run scores. 3-1.
Strop gets 3 K's.
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Anyone watching? Gamecast showed Baez safe on a bunt single, but then overturned. Huge call with top of the order coming up.
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He was out.
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Bryant lines a single, two one two out for Rizzo. If Baez had been safe, it could have been an inning. Radio guys said it was a great defensive play to get Baez. They also said he ran an indirect route and could have been called out for being so far inside the line.
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Anyone watching? Gamecast showed Baez safe on a bunt single, but then overturned. Huge call with top of the order coming up.
I thought you were watching the MLB network???
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Billy Corgan at the ballpark today...
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I thought you were watching the MLB network???
I DVR'd it. Had to work. :(
If we don't rally in the 9th, I'll get to watch tomorrow's though. (Assuming the Giants don't lose tonight and have us doing the weird not-at-the-park celebrating.)
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Melancon 50/52 in save opportunities this year.
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Was puzzled by Denorfia hitting, but he doubled into RF corner to lead off inning.
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Needed that double last inning.
With Montero up it won't matter.
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Montero down swinging. Lefties bat .182 against Melancon.
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Castro up.
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When is the last time Melancon blew a save? Was it against us back in the first month or two of the season?
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Castro with a triple.
3-2 Pirates.
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Castro triples!!!!
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Castro triples in a run. Wow. Don't want any boring games.
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Berry pinch-runs for Castro.
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Starlin! Wow!! He's been really damn good since he got benched.
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Come on, Jorge!
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Amazing what Starlin can do when he goes with the pitch instead of pulling everything.
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Making it exciting for Jeff and Ron, if nothing else.
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Hell, making it exciting for me, sitting at a desk in San Diego.
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Soler wasted a very hittable pitch, fouled it off.
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Hell, making it exciting for me, sitting at a desk in San Diego.
Ha! I hear ya!
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Whiffs in the dirt.
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Soler K's.
Baez up.
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0-2 on Baez already
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Harry would be asking for a wild pitch right about now.
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0-2 heat. Expected the breaker.
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Baez whiffs also. Game over.
Fun game, though.
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But there it was.
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Argh. Tough to leave that runner 90 feet away. At least we got a couple of extra base hits against Melancon. Maybe that'll help us on the 7th.
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Probably should've used Herrera to pinch hit for Soler. Herrera's a good contact guy, and that's all they needed there.
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Pathetic at bats by Baez and Soler.
That is why they aren't going to win a playoff game this season.
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I really expected a squeeze attempt when they put Berry on 3rd...
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A squeeze with Herrera up would have been a better chance then the young kids caught up in the moment.
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Yeah, I wondered about Soler there, too.
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Two key plays arguably cost the Cubs the game. First was wild pitch or passed ball on Strop strikeout that ultimately led to a run. Second was Baez inexplicably sliding into first on his bunt. I was surprised the play was overturned only because the video replays we saw at the ballpark didn't seem all that conclusive. But in any event, he would have been safe if he had simply run through the bag. He's a fast guy and there is not way his slide got him there quicker. Had he been safe, he presumably would have scored that inning.
The wind was strong and there were at least three Cub batted balls that seemed like they would have either been HRs or would have fallen in on most days.
Baseball is often a game of inches and sometimes luck.
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Making it exciting for Jeff and Ron, if nothing else.
It was that. Got to meet Jeff. Won't reveal his take on the Cubs' season as that might be compromising a confidence, not sure. I think craig or ben or someone had asked for a report on the crowd. It was a rocking stadium. Seemed like very few people left before the game was actually over. Hard to tell about these things I suppose, but it never seemed to me that there was any sense of doom or futility from the crowd. I think this team has people believing they can come back (as much as the players seem to believe it).
It would have been really nice to have cinched the playoff spot today, as well as get a game closer to the Pirates, especially since I was at the ballpark. Tough loss, but for the most part a very well played game, and certainly a very well pitched one, by both teams.
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Jeff's a great guy but the big bushy beard doesn't go well with the short skirt and heels. Just sayin.
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The guys on the radio commented not only on Baez sliding on the bunt, but also that he was well inside the foul line and outside of the running lane. Potentially illegal, so that thought it could have been challenged on that basis; but also potentially costing him a fraction by running an indirect line. I thought it was a great move on his part to put down an excellent bunt, we needed a baserunner, and it was only a fantastic defense play that nipped him barely. Very smart, heads-up creative baseball play on his part, just didn't quite work out thanks to the excellence and high-level of the pirates.
Soler I think was a good choice there, he's been hitting well. He had a couple of pitches earlier in the count, the first strike that he fouled off was a hittable pitch. He just missed it. Too bad, would have been nice to let the kid have a moment of critical success. Perhaps having a moment of critical failure could also be a valuable learning lesson, though. If it happens again tomorrow, maybe he'll know better to cut down a little bit in that situation, particularly early in the count so that he doesn't get into a 2-strike situation. Sure, game-winning HR would have been nice, but he didn't need that much.
I think that game pretty much closes the season, though. We pretty much needed to sweep Pittsburgh; not happening. So, we're on the road for the sudden death.
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The guys on the radio commented not only on Baez sliding on the bunt, but also that he was well inside the foul line and outside of the running lane. Potentially illegal, so that thought it could have been challenged on that basis; but also potentially costing him a fraction by running an indirect line. I thought it was a great move on his part to put down an excellent bunt, we needed a baserunner, and it was only a fantastic defense play that nipped him barely. Very smart, heads-up creative baseball play on his part, just didn't quite work out thanks to the excellence and high-level of the pirates.
Soler I think was a good choice there, he's been hitting well. He had a couple of pitches earlier in the count, the first strike that he fouled off was a hittable pitch. He just missed it. Too bad, would have been nice to let the kid have a moment of critical success. Perhaps having a moment of critical failure could also be a valuable learning lesson, though. If it happens again tomorrow, maybe he'll know better to cut down a little bit in that situation, particularly early in the count so that he doesn't get into a 2-strike situation. Sure, game-winning HR would have been nice, but he didn't need that much.
I think that game pretty much closes the season, though. We pretty much needed to sweep Pittsburgh; not happening. So, we're on the road for the sudden death.
Agree that the Baez bunt was good baseball, and a very good bunt. I'm curious whether it was his idea or came from Joe. If it was his idea, that's pretty impressive given his historical focus on HRs. Also agree on Soler. He just missed mashing that first pitch, and wasn't much off the second as well.
However, don't you dare give up on the Cubs' chances of catching the Pirates (particularly when my ability to attend the game is at stake). The Pirates not only have three games against the fearsome Cardinals, but two against the fearsome Cubbies.
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The bunt was Baez's idea. Maddon said so.
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The announcers for the Cubs/Pirates on Saturday will be Matt Vasgersian, John Smoltz, and Jon Paul Morosi
Here's a map that shows what game will be available in your area
http://506sports.com/mlb.php (http://506sports.com/mlb.php)
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Cubs win the game with no wind. Pretty sure Rizzo has 1 and maybe 2 home runs on most days
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Considering our power advantage, it might be best to play the wc game in Pittsburgh.
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1. Dexter Fowler (S) CF
2. Austin Jackson (R) LF
3. Kris Bryant (R) 3B
4. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B
5. Starlin Castro (R) SS
6. Jorge Soler (R) RF
7. David Ross (R) C
8. Jason Hammel (R) P
9. Addison Russell (R) 2B
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Thanks for the report, Ron. Glad there's a different, more energized vibe in the stands, even down 3-1 in the 9th! Seemed like it on tv.
It is a new era and the young guys haven't lived the futility the rest of us have, so that and Joe probably help the guys on the field.
Really nice to get into the dance! Hopefully, the first of many such appearances for our guys, particularly IF our pitching can get even better!
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Getting that feeling the offense is going to start struggling at the wrong time.
They haven't looked good since Monday night.
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Leadoff double by Bryant goes to waste.
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3-0 Pirates. Hammel kind of stinks.
Even of they beat the Pirates in that one game playoff (which I don't think they will) the rotation will not be strong enough to beat the Cardinals.
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Hammel=bum
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He's already been pulled. Grimm is in. Pirates could make this really ugly.
Time for some football.
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Football is already ugly for me. BYU is getting killed. I tuned in just in time for Hammel to suck it up. Maybe I'm just bad luck today.
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I don't know that I've seen more balls right down the middle the plate called balls than I have today.
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Please let Vasgergin know this isn't a Cards game.
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Great play by Rizzo in catching the runner at home.
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John Kruk: "With Jake Arrieta you might get one pitch to hit per at bat. If you miss it your chances are diminished greatly".
Wow. What would we do without insight like that?
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This superimposed strike zone has its highest point around Fowler's belt.
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And now that tiny strike zone gives the Cubs a walk. Castro legs out an infield hit, and the bases are loaded for Soler with one out.
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Montero grounds out and Burnett gets away with allowing just one run. Can't complain, as we probably didn't deserve one of those baserunners.
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Arrieta homers to make it 2-0; same some awesomeness for the wild card game, Jake!
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Arrieta homered a minute ago. Forget Cy Young, he might be in the MVP conversation.
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Not that it's news anymore...but Arrieta has no hit stuff tonight. 6 Ks through 3 innings, only 38 pitches thrown.
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Yeah, was just about to say the same thing: Arrieta's stuff looks historic tonight...
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It's only the fourth inning and already the fans are getting raucous. I'm glad that the WC game will be on the road; I'd hate to see the fans turn on the Cubs if it starts going badly. And I have plenty of confidence about these guys' ability to win away from home.
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Arrieta perfect through 4. 7 Ks, 51 pitches.
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Now, perfect through 5.
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Soler flies out with runners at second and third, and the Cubs can't get any insurance runs. Still 2-0 after five.
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Burnett grounds to second, and the Pirates are hitless through 6.
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Arietta looking strong through 6.
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You could say that.
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ESPN is showing the video boards more tonight than we've seen. It appears Toyota was just the sponsor of the overturned call that went the Pirates' way. I'm sure that's what their marketing team intended when they signed up to big a sponsor at Wrigley Field--be associated with calls that go against the Cubs.
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So much for that.
Now they need to get the win. Would help if the offense could do something.
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I just torched my Toyota.
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ESPN is showing the video boards more tonight than we've seen. It appears Toyota was just the sponsor of the overturned call that went the Pirates' way. I'm sure that's what their marketing team intended when they signed up to big a sponsor at Wrigley Field--be associated with calls that go against the Cubs.
This just shows how silly it is to have "sponsors" of specific parts of the game.
But still, it feels like many more calls are overturned in the Cubs' favor than the ones that go in their favor on the field but are overturned to go against them.
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Pedro Strop warming up.
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If it were up to me, this would be Arrieta's last inning.
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Me too. This and his next start; let him relax for the big game in October.
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This is how the Pirates buy time for a reliever to get warmed up?
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jbn in near Yoda form
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Castro hits a HR.
I think. I hope.
If it is, it's 5-0.
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By the way, someone else who has been really, really good lately is Starlin Castro.
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Seems like a double.
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They really need to move that basket up about three feet so that fans can't reach over it and so that balls that would normally hit the top of the wall don't get stuck in the basket and become homers.
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Double?
4-0.
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Travis Wood allows only a walk in the 8th, and it's still 4-0.
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Christopher Kamka @ckamka 2m2 minutes ago
Post All-Star Break:
Bob Gibson 1968: 16 GS, 1.19 ERA, 144.0 IP, 0.861 WHIP
Jake Arrieta 2015: 14 GS, 0.80 ERA, 101.1 IP, 0.750 WHIP
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Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Jake Arrieta's last 11 starts: 82 1/3 innings, four earned runs, 0.44 ERA.
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CUBS WIN
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
nl cy young race has entered coin toss territory. hard to pick between 2 alltime great years. #greinke #arrieta
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Arrieta homer:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/chc/video/v506290983/pitchc-arrieta-swats-solo-homer-to-extend-the-lead/
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After the Pirates beat the Cubs with Cole on Friday, there were worries about the Cubs having to face him again for the Wild Card. Right now, I think the Cubs would rather face Cole than the Pirates would Arrieta.
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I really can't see Arrieta not winning the cy young. He is in a stretch that has never been duplicated.
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They really need to move that basket up about three feet so that fans can't reach over it and so that balls that would normally hit the top of the wall don't get stuck in the basket and become homers.
I was unable to locate a YouTube showing of Castro's ball that hit the top of the basket. What I was hoping to show was what may have been the reason why the review took so long: There was a fan maybe five or six feet to the right of the ball who had a hold of the top of the basket and may have been moving it. Prior to the bleacher reconstruction that was not possible.
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I should have checked MLB.com in addition to YouTube. A closeup show the guy in the white hat and dark shirt did not have a grip on the basket top.
http://m.mlb.com/video/v506490583/pitchc-castros-homer-overturned-for-tworun-double (http://m.mlb.com/video/v506490583/pitchc-castros-homer-overturned-for-tworun-double)
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Bartman is wearing a white hat?
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Dad always told me "Good Guys wear white hats"
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Finally, Rizzo gets a day off.
Fowler-Coghlan (LF)-Bryant (1B)-La Stella (3B)-Castro (2B)-Montero-Soler-Russell-Hendricks
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The weather for this homestand has been nothing short of spectacular.
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The weather for this homestand has been nothing short of spectacular.
That's a first for 2015. This was the worst weather year I can remember for the Cubs.
Umpire is making Hendricks throw extra strikes to get outs in the first. That's never good.
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From Len & J.D.: In his last 19 starts, Jake Arrieta has given up 2 HRs and hit 2 HRs.
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Yordano Ventura perfect through 5 against the Cubs.
Cardinals and Pirates scoreless in the 7th. The Pirates had a couple of good chances against Lynn, but they haven't pushed anyone across. Come on, Pirates.
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Hendricks has been great tonight, and he was really good in his last start until the 7th inning. He might have the inside track for game 2 in the NLDS right now.
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Soler breaks up the perfecto with a single up the middle.
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Yeah, Hendricks has been really good. No runs, 2 hits, with 9 strikeouts in 6 IP. And those Ks are against the team that has the fewest SOs in the major leagues.
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Is is just my imagination, or do they not light the center field scoreboard up properly during night games? It feels like they're just ignoring it now that they have those big electronic boards, but that could be an optical illusion because the electronic boards are so bright.
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The top four Central division teams (Cardinals, Pirates, Cubs, Royals) all scoreless against each other in the 8th inning tonight. Central teams are pretty competitive this year.
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Cub hitters might as well close their eyes when they swing.
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Berry pinch runs for Castro and doesn't even try to steal. Waste of a roster spot.
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11th inning and only 7 hits between the two teams. Cub hitters have struck out 10 times, but Royal hitters have struck out 13 times.
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Well, that was a nice ending.
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Denorfia walks off! Cubs win!
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Denorfia really mashed that too.
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Denorfia sends one into the night to win.
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Hopefully we have somewhere between 5 and 8 more games at Wrigley this year.
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Denorfia's walk-off:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/chc/video/v507362283/kcchc-denorfia-hits-walkoff-homer-in-the-11th/?partnerId=as_chc_20150929_53178036&adbid=648695743813804032&adbpl=tw&adbpr=41144996
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According to Elias, Denorfia’s blast was the first pinch-hit, walk-off home run in extra innings of a 1-0 game in Major League history.
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Frank Secory, Cubs, 1946 - although this was a 2-0 final...pinch-hit walkoff in the 12th...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN194607061.shtml
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Showers and possibly a thunderstorm. High near 75. North wind around 6 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts of less than a tenth of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.
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JBN is pretty good, but he is no Weatherguy.
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Game should start in 5 min or so.
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Rizzo joins the 30/30 club...
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Bryant picked up strikeout #192 before Rizzo joined the 30/30 club. He has a shot at 200.
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4-0 Cubs already.
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Bryant swing at a terrible pitch with that strikeout. When Baez swung at it, he dumped a hit over the second baseman's head.
And thanks to some sloppy fielding from Jay Bruce, the Cubs are up 4-0 as we go to the bottom of the first.
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Bryant up to 193 Ks now. With one more, he'll tie Adam Dunn at #16 on the all time single season list.
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Eugenio Suares just kills us. Singles to center and it gets by Fowler, and he's at third.
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These Reds announcers seem to think that the Cubs lost 96 games last season, regressing from 2013, and that they had to go get Maddon because Renteria was failing. I supported the Maddon hiring then as now, but the Cubs improved a lot in 2014, particularly in the second half where they won as often as they lost. And they only lost 89 games last year, not 96.
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Dan Haren is getting the job done. Still 4-0 at the end of three.
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Baez is now at 70 plate appearances and has one homer.
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Put Doug Eddings on the list of lousy ball/strike callers.
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Baez is now at 70 plate appearances and has one homer.
Bryant opened season with 91 plate appearances without a homer.
Rizzo went 74 plate appearances (mid-May to early June) with one homer.
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Baez' homers were also well down in the minors after all the fiddling with his stance/leg kick/approach.
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Haren looking like he should be looking against this bad Reds team.
4-0 top of the 7th.
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Haren should probably change his twitter handle. If he's hit 88 tonight I haven't seen it.
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Baez' homers were also well down in the minors after all the fiddling with his stance/leg kick/approach.
For 600 PA he was on pace for 25 HR in AAA, a season that included 2 stops and starts and getting his timing back, last year would have been 32.
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Not sure what the last year would be 32 means, but 25 per 600 PA's is a low number for him.
Nevermind, I know what it means now. It was his second go-around in AAA though.
He just hit the ball hard for an out, but the fact is he has 4 extra base hits, 3 walks, and 3 RBI in 70+ PA's. He's 1-20 w/ RISP.
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For 600 PA he was on pace for 25 HR in AAA, a season that included 2 stops and starts and getting his timing back, last year would have been 32.
So.... Chris was right in saying that, even though he was a year older and had a fair amount of MLB experience, his AAA power numbers were down this year.
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32 HR/600 PA and again he had a lot of stops and starts which will effect his numbers.
Small sample size?
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Votto Ks to start the 7th inning. It's possible that he won't get another PA, and that would mean that Haren ended his 45 game on base streak. That would be one of the more improbable things to happen this year.
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I get that Baez' season was turbulent, but that is seemingly over now and he's not been a home run or EBH threat since coming up. He just looks different. He still swings hard but he looks jammed up at the plate to me. I question if removing the leg kick is really helping him much.
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I think your making too much out of a small sample size. Much like when Bryant didn't a HR for a while. Baez striking out less is a good thing. Baez not swinging widely at outside pitches is a good thing. The HR will come.
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Last thing I'm worried about with Baez is home run power.
He is a work in progress. 5 HR in 144 ABs when came off DL at Iowa and one homer in majors. Worth pointing that out, no problem, but don't think very significant going forward in big picture.
Not on pace to K 280 times--more important.
At some point, maybe he will put one plus one together.
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Yet another Bryant K. It's amazing he's been as good as he's been this year with all the strikeouts.
Cubs have left runners on every inning tonight. This really should be about a 12-0 game.
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Cubs have only 5 total bases from 2nd inning forward. Even with the walks, can't expect to score a lot with 5 total bases.
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Haren leaves after a 1 out double in the 8th. Len and JD have been talking all night like this might be his last major league start. If that's the case, nice job going out on a high note.
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Guess my point is is Baez more helpful hitting for a higher average with fewer K's if he doesn't produce? Despite the mountain of K's last year and the .169 average he still managed to score or drive in 55 runs in 52 games. This year he has scored and driven in a total of 7 runs in 23 games.
Can he change his approach, assuming he has, and still be productive?
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Haren gives up a double that lands just inches inside the foul line, and comes out of the game in favor of C. J. Edwards.
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He's gone from a wRC+ of 52 to 92 this year with little power. A middle infielder with his defense and wRC+ of 92 is easily a 2+ WAR player.
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I have to question a stat that makes his runs created look twice as good when he's hardly scored or driven in any.
I like his defensive skills, but his offensive future reminds me of Forrest's box of chocolate.
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CJ Edwards batting against Chapman stood almost out of the batter's box. Might've walked too with a competent ump.
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Votto's reached base in 45 straight games. That will be in danger as he bats third in the 9th against Edwards.
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3 base E-9. Come on Jackson.
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Jackson ruins the attempt at 3 straight shutouts.
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29 innings of shutout gone because of one blunder.
4-1, Votto up.
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Bourgeois scores on a grounder to first, and the Cubs lose a chance to pitch three consecutive shutouts for the first time since 1992.
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Edwards is going to walk Votto to continue the streak.
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Votto walks.
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C. J. will not finish the game; Travis Wood is in to get the last two outs.
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Edwards walks Votto, Cubs don't end his on base streak tonight.
Wood coming in for the save.
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6-4-3 double play.
Cubs win. 4-1.
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Double play, one of the easier saves you'll ever see.
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3 back of the Pirates. If the Pirates go 2-3, we can still take the top wildcard if we win out. Very long shot but something to play for. Too bad we couldn't win that Friday game against the Pirates were Soler and Baez struck out with a runner at 3rd. Cubs would be 1 game back right now.
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I have to question a stat that makes his runs created look twice as good when he's hardly scored or driven in any.
I like his defensive skills, but his offensive future reminds me of Forrest's box of chocolate.
I think it is a poor idea to judge a player's offensive performance on runs and RBI's. Unless it comes from a HR, those are completely dependent on the people before and after you performing.
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Lester stinks in the 1st inning so far.
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Lester does it all: manufactures a run by working out a walk after an 0-2 count, then Schwarber beats a three-man shift to get on base, and Jackson doubles them both in to give the Cubs the lead.
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Jackson doubles in two.
Cubs lead 2-1 bottom of the 3rd.
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Lester can field, too. Grabs a short-hop grounder and the Cubs are out of the inning with the lead intact.
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Our nemesis Eugenio makes a mental mistake, looking Rizzo back to second and then being too late to throw Castro out at first.
And now the Reds turn a DP with the first baseman making a great pick.
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Russell swings at the first pitch, has a hit, and Rizzo scores. 3-1.
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Our nemesis Eugenio makes a mental mistake, looking Rizzo back to second and then being too late to throw Castro out at first.
And now the Reds turn a DP with the first baseman making a great pick.
Castro was given a hit. I'd have ruled it a fielders choice.
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Castro was given a hit. I'd have ruled it a fielders choice.
I would agree with that.
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Nice to see the Cubs finally get to DeSclafani. He has dominated them this year.
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Jon Lester is not quite the automatic out he was earlier. With a walk and a single, he is now .067/.111/.067
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Lester moved from first to second and from second to third on wild pitches. Jackson's double drove him in. Now 4-1.
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Truly great play by Castro. Maybe he should have been moved to 2B a long time ago?
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I hope Lester has an efficient 6th inning. I'd like him to go 7 but not go much over 90 pitches.
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I love watching "good Castro"...
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He has such a beautiful swing when he's right.
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Fourteen in a row set down by Lester.
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Excellent. Lester at 75 pitches through 6 and can go 7 without over doing it.
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Lester at only 81 pitches through 7. If I'm managing, he's done for the night.
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Castro is 3-4 tonight.
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Javy doubles to RF. Too bad it wasn't hit hard.
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Lester bats for himself. I guess Joe has different ideas.
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5 RBI night for Austin Jackson, that's a career high.
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Lester up to 100 pitches. That's really enough.
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20 in a row...well done, Lester...
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He really should be done with a 7 run lead.
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Castro with another double. He has hit over .400 in September. Maybe Reb was right about Castro rebounding in August. I think he'll be on the post-season roster.
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Rizzo singles and Castro doubles him home.
I don't see Castro being traded at this point.
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Russell doubles Castro home.
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Yeah, let's wait until he loses all trade value again...
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I'm not advocating he not be traded.
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Ramirez will pitch the ninth.
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Ramirez gets through the ninth allowing two runs, and the Cubs win 10-3.
Now 28 games over .500; best since 2008.
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Find a way to win tomorrow and hand the ball to Arrieta Friday night. Having watched the Reds the last two games though it is hard to imagine how they will take 2 of 3 from the Pirates against Liriano, Burnett, and Happ. We pretty much lost the top wildcard when we couldn't complete the comeback Friday.
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After that first inning Lester looked good. But then again at this point for the Reds, DaveP could have shut these guys down at the age of 87.
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Are the Reds 87? They could be CurtOne's grandkids.
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Interesting how inferior other teams seem now. That used to be the Cubs.
Kind of weird to just keep on winning, and winning, and winning.
I have a different feel this year. 2008 the Cubs had what might have been a great team. But when September was rolling, my recall is that the Cubs didn't seem at all dominant. Zambrano was struggling, guys like Geovany Soto who had been so good early on wasn't anymore, and Soriano wasn't having any bursts. The offense which had seemed so potent earlier in the year didn't seem very threatening at all.
This team seems to just be keeping on rolling along racking up wins.
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The '08 team was 110 runs better in run differential than this one and was second in the majors in runs scored. They were just 5-5 down the stretch but were generally a powerhouse during the regular season. We'll pretend the season ended there.
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Really liked that 2008 club. Outscored opposition by 184 runs. First in NL in runs scored and 3rd in ERA.
By the way, Cubs have lost 9 straight post-season games. Doesn't matter to these guys on club now, of course. Won't matter for wild card game. It's just our little secret here.
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Perhaps because the heart of that team was bought and not developed, it never seemed as much fun to watch or follow the 2008 Cubs as the 2015 Cubs.
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This morning's game is on the MLB network
Fowler CF
Jackson RF
Castro 2B
Rizzo 1B
Denorfia LF
Baez 3B
Schwarber C
Hammel P
Russell SS
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2008 the Cubs had what might have been a great team. But when September was rolling, my recall is that the Cubs didn't seem at all dominant. Zambrano was struggling, guys like Geovany Soto who had been so good early on wasn't anymore, and Soriano wasn't having any bursts. The offense which had seemed so potent earlier in the year didn't seem very threatening at all.
I remember seeing the last inning, and particularly the last pitch, of Zambrano's no-hitter and thinking that the team was exhausted and wouldn't go far in the playoffs. Couldn't put my finger on why I had that feeling of foreboding. And I don't have it at all about this year's team. They may win that WC game and they may lose it, but I don't think they'll choke or fall apart.
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I guess people in the Reds blackout area don't get the game today...I can't find it on DirecTV anywhere...
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No Reds broadcast today. Not many fans either.
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Austin Jackson homers after Russell and Fowler walked - 3-0 good guys
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Jackson is hot. 3 run HR. He hit a foul HR as well this AB too.
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Nice to see the Cubs in the blue road jerseys for three games in a row. They should dump the dull gray uniforms (and definitely those even duller gray alternates) and just wear blue on the road all the time.
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With two outs in the fourth and the Cubs leading 4-0, Lamb leaves the game.
I say hurry it up and make this game official. Surely, with this game still being meaningful in the standings, the umps will allow a long delay, but let's just get three outs in the bottom half first.
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A couple singles off Rodney and an E-6 load the bases for the Reds with nobody out in the bottom of the seventh.
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A K and an almost 6-4-3 make it 5-1. Play at first is not challenged. Clayton Richard coming in.
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Votto singles to center. 5-2 with runners on first and second. Pitching change looks like Hunter coming in.
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No, the new pitcher is Trevor Cahill.
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5-3 after a Phillips grounder bounces off Baez' glove at third. Ruled a hit.
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Bruce Ks on an outside changeup to end the inning.
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Lots of slop that inning.
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Cubs win again.
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Another 5 game winning streak for the Cubs. 94 on the season, 2 back of the Pirates with 3 to play.
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94 wins, with 3 games left. Wow. How many 5-game winning streaks have we had? How rarely have we had them over the previous six years? Amazing.
What a fun season this has been, whether Cole and the Pirates beat us or not.
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Arrieta goes tomorrow. If he does his thing and somehow the Reds could win the game tomorrow night... Get to Saturday 1 game back with 2 games left and maybe we get lucky. Hopefully Votto gets really hot and goes in one of his streaks.
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From 2007 to 2008, Maddon took Rays from 66 wins to 97 wins.
31 win upgrade in one season. Remarkable.
This has been great season. Have looked at this season as a possible year to reach World Series, not just a uptick rebuild year. Cubs have been relatively healthy, probably a career year for ace starter, the new manager gloss, lots of kiddie enthusiasm, a bit of luck so far maybe.
Never know what future season(s) have in store. Guys get hurt. Weird stuff happens. Watched Nats up close and it is never a lock to think you're a 95+ win team. So, let's do it now and play to November.
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OK. It's a deal.
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Yeah, would be a shame for Ron to miss out on his below market value seat in post-season game(s).
Rooting hard for Ron to attend.
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Yeah, would be a shame for Ron to miss out on his below market value seat in post-season game(s).
Rooting hard for Ron to attend.
It's time. I haven't been to a post-season game since the first game of the 1984 season (13-1). I did have two tickets in 1998 for the fourth game against the Braves, and flew from NM to Chicago for the game. Of course, it never actually happened because the Braves swept the Cubs 3-0.
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I did have two tickets in 1998 for the fourth game against the Braves, and flew from NM to Chicago for the game. Of course, it never actually happened because the Braves swept the Cubs 3-0.
I drove as far as Springfield before stopping to get a hotel room on the off chance that Game 4 didn't happen...
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I was at game 5 vs. Braves in 2003. Fantastic. Also games 4 and 5 vs. Marlins. Also games 1 and 2 vs. D'Backs in 2007 (Yech). And game 3 vs. Dodgers in 2008 (Puke).
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Was also at Game 3 in 2008 with my then 9-year old son. It was bad. Being there for the no-hitter helped exorcise some demons.
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Was also at Game 3 in 2008 with my then 9-year old son. It was bad. Being there for the no-hitter helped exorcise some demons.
Did you get a visit from Children's and Family Services for abuse?
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Fowler CF
Schwarber RF
Bryant LF
Rizzo 1B
Castro 2B
Montero C
Russell SS
Arrieta P
La Stella 3B
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I'm thinking that could be next Wednesday's starting lineup.
How scary is that?
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Put the better defender in LF, which is bigger at PNC than RF.
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La Stella is hot over the last two weeks: .385 .414 .500 over 29 plate appearances.
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I am a little concerned with LaStella at 3rd. I have a feeling the Pirates are going to try to bunt a couple of times. They saw first hand Arrieta have trouble throwing to first base in the last game at PNC. Bryant and Baez are really good at coming in and making barehanded plays. I haven't been very inpressed with LaStella at 3B.
I think I would just put Coghlan in left and hit him 8th. He still works counts (got a walk from Cole last time) and is capable of squaring up on a ball and hit it out. Plus the defense would be better with him in left field.
There is a part of me that wants Baez at 3rd though. I think he may be one of these guys that can handle the pressure and come up big when it counts.
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If LaStella gets the start, it's probably because Joe wants him to get a couple of PA against Cole. Len and JD keep remarking about how LaStella can handle velocity. If the Cubs were to have a lead by the time LaStella was due up for the third time, I imagine you'd see him lifted for Baez and his superior defense.
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Angel Hernandez' crew doing the series in Milwaukee. Angel will have the plate in the season finale.
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Probably best to remember that Jake Arrieta is human and not some Marvel Super Hero.
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Pirates down 4-0 in the fourth inning tonight. If they lose and the Cubs win tonight, it starts to get interesting.
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Pena struck out the first 4 Cubs he faced tonight. His career high is 5 Ks in a game.
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And he ties his career high to end the second inning.
Hopefully the Cubs will see him a little better the second time through the order.
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Russell doubled and LaStella doubled. 1-0 Cubs.
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Ted Barrett folks.
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Russell's double missed being a HR by maybe 12 inches.
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Rizzo didn't miss that moon shot.
2-0 Cubs.
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Arrieta is 3 innings away from his 20th consecutive quality start. Bob Gibson has the all time record at 26, so he's got a shot at that by the end of April next year.
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The Reds are trash. Pirates tie the game at 4.
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Barret is terrible. Guy's zone is all over the place.
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Clown car has arrived in the Brewers outfield.
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There's a blooper for TV.
Hopefully Rizzo can make them pay for that one. Bases are loaded with one out.
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Base hit! 4-0.
99 RBI's on the season.
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Rizzo looked really bad on the first two pitches, swinging at both well below the strikezone. But, as he normally does, he shortens up his swing and punched the third pitch to drive in those two runs. No idea why the pitcher gave him something up and over the heart of the plate after he had looked so bad on those two low pitches, but glad he did.
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Russell with his second near HR double of the game, this one to dead center.
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Not sure how accurate the game descriptions are, I just got home, but LaStella with a line double, a line single, and a line out. He's had a fine month.
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It looks like Arrieta is probably done after 6 shutout innings and 72 pitches. I'd be tempted to let him stay out there another inning just to keep him a little more on the routine he's had lately...6 innings, 72 pitches is a really short start for him.
But if it's over, he finishes the second half with an 0.76 ERA. I know Greinke and Kershaw have been good...but Arrieta should be the Cy Young winner.
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Cubs are really racking up their run differential this week. Sometimes you got for a long time without facing many bad pitchers pitching badly. Lots of vulnerable guys this week.
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Arrieta's regular season is over, Coghlan pinch hit for him. What a season.
Hopefully he makes about 4-5 more starts.
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Russell with a poor play, taking a fly ball away from Bryant.
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Ted Barrett is drunk.
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C. J. Edwards is coming in to get the last two outs.
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Edwards shuts the door and the Cubs have won yet again.
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Hendricks with 3 perfect innings and 6 K so far tonight.
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Coghlan has a triple and a double and it's only the top of the fourth.
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Hendricks is perfect through 4 on only 42 pitches.
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Hendricks was perfect through 5 his last start against Milwaukee. Didn't end well though.
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The Cubs have the worst bunting pitching staff I have ever seen.
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Angel Hernandez just blew a call at first base on a Fowler grounder (called him safe), but Counsell had already used his challenge so Fowler stays at first.
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Bases loaded for Bryant as a result of Milwaukee's ineptness. Need to take advantage.
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And Bryant K's again on two pitches in the dirt. One RBI in 9 games.
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That 100 RBI thing is messing with his mind.
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Cub hitters are way out ahead of everything. Relax, guys.
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There really shouldn't be a limit on how many challenges a team gets; Fowler was clearly out at first.
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I think Bryant is pressing trying to get that 100 RBI. My biggest concern with him is how many times he has swung at bad pitches on 3-0 and 3-1 during this bad stretch. Hopefully he snaps out of it tomorrow and is ready to go Wednesday.
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Hendricks takes a few more pitches in the 5th, but he's still perfect through 5.
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Coghlan singles in the 6th so all he needs for the cycle is a homer.
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Hendricks with a near perfect (only one hit) 6 innings tonight, with 8 strike outs, after a very good outing last time.
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Hendricks lifted early again.
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Hendricks probably cemented the game 2 start in St. Louis if we make it through Wednesday.
Another no runs outing for the Cubs starters. Lester allowed a first inning run in the first against the Reds and no other Cubs starter has allowed a run during the last 7 games. I also read the Cubs set the NL record for strikeouts by pitchers beating the 2003 team. That surprised me a little, but then again, Arrieta and Lester both have over 200 Ks.
Here is Bryant again with a chance at 100 RBI. Reds up 3-1 on the Pirates in the 7th.
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Why does anyone throw Bryant a fastball?
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The problem is Bryant is not laying off the bad pitches anymore. He is not taking walks. That's what worries me the most right now. He goes through these streaks where he Ks non-stop but for the most part he had continued to take his walks. I just hope this is him pressing for RBI 100 and we'll reset on Wednesday.
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Nice steal by Berry, and with the throw going into center field, he's at third.
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With all the baserunners the Cubs are leaving tonight, this really feels like one they're going to give away late.
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With all the baserunners the Cubs are leaving tonight, this really feels like one they're going to give away late.
It sure does. Bryant and Rizzo have each left six men on after their at-bats.
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It feels like Rodney is overdue for a bad game; he hasn't had one with the Cubs yet. Fans of the other teams he has played for were saying we'd eventually hate Rodney but he's been great so far; keep your fingers crossed!
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Rodney trying to blow this.
No thanks to the crappy offense tonight though.
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First and third, one out. If the Reds can finish off the Pirates tonight, this would be a really tough one to lose.
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DP!!!!!
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DP! Rizzo with a great pick!
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It was ugly, but they get the 5-4-3. Both throws looked pretty bad.
Get a run or two and make this a little easier on Rondon.
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Fowler has been K'ing a ton.
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Poor throw by Baez but does nice job protecting himself from baserunner.
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Bryant is ridiculously overanxious.
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I know Kris Bryant is a really good low ball hitter, but he also has tendency to swing at low balls that are unhittable (as he did twice in his last AB). He's really struggling.
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Bryant K's again another horrible pitch.
Does he need his eyes checked?
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Yet another K by Bryant. That's #199. He looks awful right now.
K #200 is much more likely than RBI #100 at this point.
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Very frustrating day for Bryant. Then again, better to have a day like this today than next week.
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K's again on what should have been ball 4. Really frustrating to watch him the last week.
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Bryant now at 199 Ks.
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Cubs offense just has been really brutal tonight. Not going to be any better against Cole either.
Hopefully Rondon is on.
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Third time tonight Bryant and Rizzo have come up with 1 out and at least 2 runners on, and the third time tonight the Cubs have gotten nothing.
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I suppose Rondon needs a meaningful appearance about now. Hope he's up for it.
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If the Cubs have this approach at the plate on Wednesday, it will be a short postseason.
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Bryant now at 199 Ks.
If he avoids 200, it will be just about entirely because he wasn't put on the opening day roster, and 200 would really count against him in RoY voting.
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One down.
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Rondon blows away the first batter.
This would be Rondon's 30th save.
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As J.D. just said about Rondon's first K, "that was impressive work right there."
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Two down.
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96 wins for the Cubs ... so far.
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Cubs win!
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We got away with one tonight.
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Rondon is the best Cubs closer since....I'm not sure. He's really good, though.
He also moved past Rod Beck for 8th on the Cubs' all time list with that save. If he ended up saving tomorrow's game, he'd tie Phil Regan for 7th on the all time list.
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One hit given up by Cub pitchers tonight.
Incidentally, Anthony Rizzo is a very, very good 1B, particularly when it comes to digging out bad throws. Shades of Mark Grace (but with a lot more power and better baserunning and ...).
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Great pitching. Crappy hitting.
Very lucky tonight. Last year Cubs lose that game 2-1.
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They're making this a bigger deal publicly than I thought they would.
MILWAUKEE (AP) -- The Chicago Cubs took care of business against the Milwaukee Brewers before keeping the clubhouse doors closed until they were done watching the Pittsburgh Pirates lose.
''We waited to celebrate our game until after that game was concluded. It's pretty interesting isn't it? I'm really proud of our guys,'' Cubs manager Joe Maddon said.
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Is there no Cubs telecast today?
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It's on WGN according to MLB.com. MLB.TV also appears to be free today.
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CF Jackson
RF Coghlan
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
2B Castro
LF Denorfia
C Montero
SS Russell
P Haren
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Maddon says he sat Fowler and Schwarber because the Brewers' starter (Jorge Lopez) has strong reverse splits in the minors. So he put in Jackson and Denorfia instead. We'll see if that pays off. Soler is pretty deep in the bench at this time I guess.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-gameday-cubs-brewers-spt-1005-20151004-story.html
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Maddon says he sat Fowler and Schwarber because the Brewers' starter (Jorge Lopez) has strong reverse splits in the minors. So he put in Jackson and Denorfia instead. We'll see if that pays off. Soler is pretty deep in the bench at this time I guess.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-gameday-cubs-brewers-spt-1005-20151004-story.html
Yeah, interesting that Coghlan is in RF instead of Soler, given that rationale.
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Can't find the Cubs feed anywhere on DirecTV, even in the Extra Innings package...guess I'm stuck with the Brewers feed.
Could be worse...
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Bases loaded for Rizzo, 0 outs, top of the first.
Bryant had a great at bat before walking.
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As I say that, they are already complaining about Angel Hernandez's strike zone...guess that's not a small club, though...
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Rizzo is struggling with offspeed pitches.
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Base hit!
2-0 Cubs.
101 RBI's.
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Pirates get an early run and still have two on with two outs. Unfortunately they are facing a guy with a 7+ ERA and Happ has been pitching well for them. Win our game and see what happens.
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castro double play scores another, 3-0.
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With 2 on and 2 outs, Todd Frazier tries to steal 3rd and is caught. If that is the type of baseball the Reds are going to play today, we're screwed.
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Can't find the Cubs feed anywhere on DirecTV, even in the Extra Innings package...guess I'm stuck with the Brewers feed.
Could be worse...
Same problem - but this works except for some reason it won't go full screen
http://nhlliveonline.com/channel-72/
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Same problem - but this works except for some reason it won't go full screen
http://nhlliveonline.com/channel-72/
Full screen now working but picture is definitely not hi def.
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Full screen now working but picture is definitely not hi def.
You get what you pay for -- I'm watching the game there too and can't complain!
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You get what you pay for -- I'm watching the game there too and can't complain!
And you don't have to put up with the commercials
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Tuffy
I verified that i have the latest version of Adobe Flash Player so I thought the poor picture quality might be WGN. It's not. The Brewers stream isn't any better.
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I think it goes through somewhere in Europe, because when I go to the page listing all the games, there are lots of ads for British soccer. The quality is of course terrible by 2015 standards... but it's a miracle by pre-2000 standards, so I'm happy.
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Pretty good run-down play by Haren, Bryant and Russell.
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Dan Haren pitches six strong innings, but unlike most Cub starters these days, gave up a run. What a bum.
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Brandon Phillips apparently just ran into an out trying to stretch a single into a double to end the top of the 6th. Would've had first and third for Frazier if he hadn't done that. Too bad.
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Great turn by Russell.
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Reds have no particular reason to be motivated. Still, they ought to try not to embarrass themselves.
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Terrible jump by Berry. He's supposed to be a good baserunner?
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You blame Berry for that?
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I stand by what I said.
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Pirates up 4-0 with 6 outs to go.
Just close our season out with a win and head to Pittsburgh.
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Maybe get a hit with a RISP for a change. Why blame Berry?
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What did I blame him for? Other than getting a poor jump.
I guess I forgot the requirement that blame be laid for every unsuccessful AB. Thanks for reminding me.
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Quintin Berry is going to finish the season with seven games played but only one at-bat, no hits, and no chances in the field.
It feels like he has a stolen base every game, but according to Yahoo, the one he just got is only his second.
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Travis Wood in to try to close out the win.
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Rizzo makes a nice catch in foul ground for the first out, the follows it with a great pick on a throw from Bryant, who himself made a great play at third. One more out.
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Bryant's throw reached Rizzo on the fly. Really good play.
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Sparkling play by Bryant.
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Cubs win.
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97 wins! Wow. Just wow. And more to come.
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I actually thought this group was likely to be my favorite Cubs team, but I didn't expect it to happen this soon. I loved the 1984 Cubs, but I like this one more.
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Is 97-65 the best third-place record ever? The Cubs already have the best-ever second-place record (in 1909; again beaten by the Pirates).
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Astounding regular season. And lots of fun.
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Now the real season begins.
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I think I heard on MLB Network today that the Cubs starters ERA over the last eight games is 0.20. Ridiculous.
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Now the real season begins.
Just as long as it isn't a one-game "season"!
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I think I heard on MLB Network today that the Cubs starters ERA over the last eight games is 0.20. Ridiculous.
Get hot at the right time and good things can happen.
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Very true - there was a time earlier this season where the Cardinals appeared unbeatable - and now the matchup doesn't seem so dreadful
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I'd give a left nut to not only see the Cubs beat the Pirates, but also take the Cards to the wood shed for a good ass whipping..
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THIS COULD BE THE YEAR !!
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And we're saying that in October rather than April..
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Regardless of how the Cubs perform in the playoffs, this has been an excellent year, far exceeding the hopes of even the most optimistic fans.
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Regardless of how the Cubs perform in the playoffs, this has been an excellent year, far exceeding the hopes of even the most optimistic fans.
Amen.
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BS. I'll be bitterly disappointed if the Cubs don't win it all this year.
Wait til next year my @$$!!!!
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This has been an incredibly fun year. Unbelievable how enjoyable this 6-month-long regular-season has been. What a treat.
*The second half has been astounding, they've won so much, had so many winning streaks included, limited the damage when they'd lose a couple.
*The first half was really fun, too. After years of waiting, even being a definitely over-.500 team was fun.
So many great stories.
*Maddon's been fun and a treat.
*All the interesting lineups. I don't even notice anymore, because how he sequences hitters varies so much. But I'm trying to imagine back in the Piniella days, would I have imagined a manager who might bat Rizzo 2nd, or Schwarber leadoff, or Chris Coghlan the primary #3 hitter for the season?
*The Bryant call up.
*The Russell call up.
*The Schwarber call up.
*The amazing arrieta story.
*Rondon closing, then Motte, then Rondon back and better than ever.
*The late-season Russell-to-SS move.
*Chris Coghlan moving to 2B, coinciding (triggering?) the amazing winning month that ran away from the wildcard contenders.
*The remarkable Castro late comeback.
Just so many really cool developments and stories.
I'm sure you'll also agree with me, Ron, that this has been one of the most enjoyable rosters to like, too. The attitude, the approach, this has been a really easy group of individuals to like and root for. I can't recall any complaining or whining or slacking or hot-dogging or bad-attitude distractions at all. It's been really fun.
Next year we'll probably expect to be winning 90+ games again, so even if we do it won't be quite so unexpected a treat as this summer has been.
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I'm sure you'll also agree with me, Ron, that this has been one of the most enjoyable rosters to like, too. The attitude, the approach, this has been a really easy group of individuals to like and root for. I can't recall any complaining or whining or slacking or hot-dogging or bad-attitude distractions at all. It's been really fun.
Absolutely! I agree with all you said, but particularly this part. There has certainly never been a Cubs team I liked more, and probably not even as much. Whatever the future holds, and I think it is likely to hold greatness, this has been a great season that I expect to remember fondly for a very long time.
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Nice post, Craig. It's tough to pick what the best story line from this year's team is. I can't remember a Cubs team that was as joyous as this one is, and it's something that makes them easy to love. Whatever happens tonight, it's been a great year.
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I remember the feeling after Bryant finally arrived - after all the hoopla and criticism for keeping him in AAA so long...
And then he strikes out repeatedly... It felt like it was gonna be another one of those years...
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Fowler CF
Schwarber RF
Bryant LF
Rizzo 1B
La Stella 3B
Castro 2B
Montero C
Russell SS
Arrieta P
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That lineup doesn't look that fearsome to me. (LaStella in the 5 spot? Rookies throughout. So many high-K guys. Etc.) But I'm guessing Pittsburgh fans see it differently.
Plus, Jake...
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Interesting - dropped Arrieta down to 9th in the order - what did he do to deserve that?
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Pitch deep into games
Polanco, Harrison, McCutchen, Marte, Cervelli, Walker, Mercer, Rodriguez 1B, Cole for the Pirates.
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meh...needs more Coghlan
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Pittsburgh hour by hour forecast looks fine
http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/pittsburgh/hourly
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Interesting that Alvarez is out against Arrieta. Sean Rodriguez has never faced Arrieta, so hopefully that works in the Cubs' favor.
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Last winter, did any of us imagine Bryant would play excellent 3B defense.... but get moved to the OF to get Tommy La Stella into the lineup? Or that Schwarber would be starting RFer in a do-or-die playoff game?
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Schwarber in RF makes me nervous. I worry about his mobility and inexperience in the OF. I was going to say that I also worry because he tailed off toward the end of the season. It's true that his last month was not good (.667 OPS), but his last 14 days were not bad (.727) and his last seven better still (.763). I had not realized that he had rebounded that well.
But in any event I trust Joe Maddon's judgement on the lineup more than anyone else's.
Slightly concerned that this might be the game in which Jake Arrieta reveals that he's human after all. But I am actually somewhere between hopeful and optimistic about the outcome. Really hope the Cubs find a way of scoring early.
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It could get ugly for the Cubs. Hope they don't get caught up in the lime light. Cole has been tough on the Cubs just as Arrieta has been tough on the Pirates.
But it's all something they can build on going forward next season.
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LF is larger at PNC than RF.
Is there any stats on starters on 7 days rest?
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Pirates went with defense and speed. They are going to try to win by scratching out a run or two. We can probably expect a bunt or two and anytime any of Polanco, Harrison, McCutchen, Marte, Mercer, and Rodriguez get on base they are going to be off and running against Montero. Hopefully Arrieta just doesn't let them get on base.
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I don't pretend to know the Pirates well, but I'm surprised to see Sean Rodriguez starting at 1B.
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Cubs should follow Houston's model yesterday. Hit a couple HR's. Pitch a shutout.
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We're in a better position than 20 other teams.
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I agree with PR and look for the Pirates to put pressure on Arietta/LaStella through bunts.
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Rodriguez is the best defensive first baseman for the Pirates. He makes more contact than Alvarez and has some speed. They are hoping to take walks and put pressure on the young Cubs by making contact and trying to get to first base. This will be a really intriguing game. Can't wait. Just hope I make it through in one piece and the Cubs pull this out. I'm not ready for this season to end tonight. I want to watch the first playoff matchup betwwen the Cubs and Cardinals this weekend.
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Funny that the pitcher hits 9th in the most important game of the year.
Also says a lot about how Maddon feels about Soler.
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Pregame Ceremony Begins at 7:30 p.m.
- First Pitch: The ceremonial first pitch will be thrown by former Pirates right-hander and current broadcaster Bob Walk.
- National Anthem: The National Anthem will be performed by Petrina McCutchen, mother of Pirates five-time All-Star Andrew McCutchen.
- At the lines: Pirates staff and players, including rookie Jung Ho Kang, will be introduced to the crowd in a pregame ceremony.
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BS. I'll be bitterly disappointed if the Cubs don't win it all this year.
Wait til next year my @$$!!!!
Amen Brother!!!!!
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Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma 13m13 minutes ago
Maddon mentioned getting runners in from 3rd w/ < 2 outs & doing little things. Big reason why La Stella & his contact approach batting 5th
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Well...I'm heading downtown for a concert, and won't be watching or even following the game live tonight. I will have my phone turned off, my radio in my truck turned off, and will not be wearing any Cubs gear, for fear of someone speaking to me about the outcome.
I have earplugs to wear in the concourse, and my concert seats have a full wait staff to bring us drinks, etc. I should be able to avoid all news of the game until I get home and start watching. Needless to say, won't be checking in here either...
Best wishes to everyone here...let's hope we have lots to be excited about tomorrow! Enjoy the game!
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Good luck with avoiding any Cubs info tonight. Used to record Cubs day games and watch later (still do when necessary) and had a co-worker burst in my office one day and say "wow, this is most unbelievable pitched game I ever heard of" and I said no, no, going to watch game later. Stop. It was the Kerry Wood 20 K game. I could have done a Papelbon on that guy. But, still enjoyed the game later.
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I have to say that it's really strange (and great fun) for the Cubs to be a team that is the subject of so much attention and discussion during the post-season, whether it's on MLB.com or ESPN.
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Dave23, WTF?
My problem is if the Cubs do win tonight, they play Friday at 5:30. It is our 23rd Wedding Anniversary we are eating at 6 then heading to Par-A-Dice Hotel and Casino in East Peoria for the night...Hopefully we go some where there is a drive-thru.
This is what happens when the Cub suck for so long. You make plans with your loved ones during the MLB playoffs.
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Cancel your plans. I'm sure SG would understand.
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The two gifts I gave her should be enough anyway.
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2 gifts? Weren't you tired?
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Hopefully the Pirates fans black out is appropriate for mourning after tonight.
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Robb, never tired for that
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Dave23, WTF?
My problem is if the Cubs do win tonight, they play Friday at 5:30. It is our 23rd Wedding Anniversary we are eating at 6 then heading to Par-A-Dice Hotel and Casino in East Peoria for the night...Hopefully we go some where there is a drive-thru.
I fail to see the problem. Even if the Cubs win tonight, that still gives you two full days to divorce Sailor. No marriage, no anniversary.
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I should be able to stay home anyway. One of the gifts she is getting is the ring she lost while we are at Pensacola Beach back in August. When we got out of the water she said...I think I lost my ring way out there.
So I bought her a new one. But for some reason I bet she finds the lost one Saturday morning.
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Ok, let's score 6 in the top of the first and end the stress early.
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Leadoff single for Fowler!
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Leadoff single for Fowler.
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SB for Fowler, Schwarber knocks him in!!!! 1-0 CUBS!!!!!
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Cubs score. No outs, Schwarber on 1st.
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Well, that's a nice start.
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Bryant GIDP.
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Base hit.
1-0 Cubs.
Bryant hits into a 5-4-3.
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Bryant took a fastball up and in the middle of the plate, probably the best pitch he was going to see in that AB, then grounded into a DP.
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Rodriguez, who is playing for his defense, bobbled the low throw and Rizzo safe at first, with two outs.
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La Stella is gone on 3 straight...ugh.
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LaStella...ugh! One of these things is not like the others...
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La Stella, it helps if you swing.
Well, hopefully 1 run is enough.
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22 pitch first inning for Cole.
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Damn. Arrieta will not pitch a no-hitter this evening.
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Ron...boo!!!
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Marte K to end the first!
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24 outs to go...
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Whew, 1-0 after one inning. Hope the Cub players aren't nearly as nervous as I am.
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Pirates strategy to get in the Cubs' pitchers heads:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQwSYhuUwAE0O39.jpg:large)
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It sounded like they were cheering for Arrieta with that chant. It died quickly.
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1-2-3 second for Cole. Castro slipped coming out of the box on a chopper, which cost him an infield single. And Russell hit it to within 10 feet of the warning track in center, so he made good contact.
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Easy second inning for Arrieta. 21 outs to go.
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Fowler 2 for 2 tonight. Unless the Cubs do something really big like go out and get Heyward, I really want Fowler back next year.
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SCHWARBER!!
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SchwaBOOOM!!!!
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SCHWARBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was CRUSHED.
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SCHWARBER!!!!!!!
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That was in the river. Good grief.
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That's nice.
If the Cubs get a big lead I wonder what the chances are Maddon will pull Arietta early in order to start him on short rest.
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Wow, what a bomb! Schwarber!!! They didn't show where it landed. Did it splash?
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Bryant draws a walk.
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Bryant walked. Pirates bullpen up.
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Pirates pen is up.
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Jim Deshaies is contributing on Twitter tonight:
Jim Deshaies @JimDeshaies 39 minutes ago
Early Lead✅
Jim Deshaies @JimDeshaies 10 minutes ago
Arrieta settles in✅
Jim Deshaies @JimDeshaies 2 minutes ago
Schwarber goes swimming✅
Pirates bullpen up in the 3rd inning. Awesome.
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OK, Schwarber in RF. Schwarber drives in 3 runs in 3 innings. Joe Maddon is a genius.
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What was Bryant doing there? TOOTBLAN.
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Bryant...ugh...
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What the heck was Bryant thinking?
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Bryant, use your brains. What are you doing?
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How far did that Schwarbomb go?! WOW!!!
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did it splash?
It's still going.
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That took away from another chance and adding up to his pitch count.
I hope Joe laid into him on that blunder.
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Alvarez already in the game for the Pirates. Panic, or smart move?
He Ks.
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Alvarez pinch hitting for Rodriguez and K's.
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Arrieta Ks the side. This is fun so far.
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That bat flip by Schwarber might be one of the most awesome things I've ever seen. I need a gif of that ASAP!
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Well, I'm going to bed. What time is Game 1 with the Cardinals?
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5:30 CDT, I believe.
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That bat flip by Schwarber might be one of the most awesome things I've ever seen. I need a gif of that ASAP!
Simply amazing!
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There has certainly never been a Cubs team I liked more, and probably not even as much.
For me it will always be the '69 team -- the first cut is the deepest, even if when it came to being lucky that team was cursed.
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Big inning here. Need to get Harrison leading off with Cutch and Marte next. Come on Jake.
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Think Cole will get to face Schwarber next inning?
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Carrie Muskat Retweeted
Jordan Bastian @MLBastian 20m20 minutes ago
Schwarber belts a 2-run homer out to deep right field. Off the bat at 111.34 mph and launched a projected 449.83 ft, per @statcast.
John Baker @manbearwolf 21m21 minutes ago
OMG #kyleschwOBA
I love you
9/10 bat flip
#splash
@kschwarb12
Doug Glanville @dougglanville 21m21 minutes ago
Mr. Cole, you have been Schwarbered. Congratulations. @Cubs #Cubs
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Carrie Muskat @CarrieMuskat 21m21 minutes ago
Schwarber was in instructional league a year ago. #Cubs
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Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma 21m21 minutes ago
Kyle ain't afraid of the spotlight boys and girls. Kid came to play. Watch it fly, young man, watch it fly.
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McCutchen has a single and a line drive at Schwarber.
The rest of the Pirates have looked like little leaguers.
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Bruce Miles @BruceMiles2112 2m2 minutes ago
A nine-pitch 1-2-3 fourth for Arrieta. He's at 46 pitches, 36 strikes. #Cubs
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Mark Gonzales @MDGonzales 2m2 minutes ago
10 consecutive batters retired by Arrieta
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Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 2m2 minutes ago
Jake Arrieta: 13 batters, 11 first-pitch strikes, and he's had one two-ball count. Four earned runs in his last 92 1/3 innings.
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FOWLER!!!
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FOWLER!!!!!!!!!! 4-0.
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I think the Pirates are playing as tight as the 2008 Cubs were in the playoffs.
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4-0.
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Arrieta with 47 pitches through 4 innings. Hopefully he can go really deep into this game ... at least through the 7th?
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At 47 pitches through 4 innings, it'll be kind of disappointing if he doesn't make it through 8 innings.
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Cervelli HBP to start the 5th. Crowd is back into it.
First pitch weak popout by Walker. 1 out, and the crowd shuts up again.
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K's Mercer.
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This ump has a big strike zone according to TBS's strike zone graphic. But TBS also has the weakest broadcasts of any network (they still don't even show pitch counts on the screen), so who knows if that's accurate.
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end of 5... 4-0
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Alvarez k's to end the fifth!
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Arrieta got a big break on that one.
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Jake getting some breaks that inning.
Those were balls.
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12 outs to go.
Really, can anyone come up with a comp for what Arrieta has done the last 3 months or so? I've only been a baseball fan for about 25 years and I can't remember anything like it. It's a disappointing start when he gives up 1 run.
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Bastardo is in to relieve Cole.
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Arrieta at 60 pitches through 5 innings.
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Jake getting some breaks that inning.
Those were balls.
The Cards get breaks all the time. Now it is our turn!
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S-Rod would have had that foul....hA
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Hurdle quickly reversed strategy after the Cubs got up 3-0, switching Alvarez for Rodriguez. And now Maddon is about to replace LaStella with Austin Jackson. Will he stay in to replace Schwarber?
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Rizzo and Bryant have been non factors so far.
La Stella out. Jackson pinch hitting.
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I think Jackson goes to LF and Bryant to 3B.
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brjones: I think they do show the pitch count in the bottom of the box on the right....in yellow (alternates with pitch speed)
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Jackson to left, Bryant to 3rd.
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This has been Maddon's MO over the last several weeks--go to defensive replacements early when they have the lead. Not surprised to see Jackson in there already.
We'll probably see Denorfia (or maybe Baez) in there too after Schwarber's next AB.
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Gotta give Kyle one more bat I believe.
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Cubs go weakly in the 6th.
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brjones will like this:
Carrie Muskat Retweeted
Jordan Bastian @MLBastian 3m3 minutes ago
Dexter Fowler 1st Cubs player in postseason history with a homer, stolen base and at least 3 hits and 3 runs scored in a game.
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Bring back Fowler!
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Jackson to LF, Bryant to 3B.
Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma 16s16 seconds ago
My guess is if the Cubs stay ahead, Schwarber will get one more PA, then KB goes to RF & Javy takes over at 3B.
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good play on bryant (3B)
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Snider with a leadoff single in the 6th, crowd is loud again.
Bryant with a circus catch on a Polanco liner, 1 out.
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We'll probably see Denorfia (or maybe Baez) in there too after Schwarber's next AB.
Jackson to LF, Bryant to 3B.
Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma 16s16 seconds ago
My guess is if the Cubs stay ahead, Schwarber will get one more PA, then KB goes to RF & Javy takes over at 3B.
I could be a professional baseball writer for the Cubs.
Harrison HBP. 2 on, 1 out. Come on, Jake.
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Now he plunks Harrison.
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Don't get too overconfident. This game will get a lot closer before it is over.
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Arrieta not looking as sharp this inning. Base hit, hard liner caught by Bryant, another hit batter. Two runners on with only one out. Bosio out to talk to Arrieta.
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another HBP
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McCutchen up with 2 on, this isn't ideal.
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Russell can't field a double play ball, bases loaded. Uh oh.
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earlier in the game I would loook up at 0-2..last 2 innings...lots of 2-0...2-1's...infield hit b loaded
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double play!!!!
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excellent
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wow. Russell comes back to start an inning ending DP.
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Fortunately, I have nerves of steel.
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GIDP!!!!!
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Whew!
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WOW!
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9 more outs.
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OMG Addison you F'n stud
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Damn
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That was a really bad inning but nothing really bad happened.
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Arrietta on Deck?
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The infield hit by McCutchen has been changed to an error.
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Arrietta on Deck?
Yes
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I wasgoing to predict that
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Arrieta gets loud boos, then HBP. Benches clear.
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Benches clear
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Yikes, don't do anything stupid.
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Darling and Ripkin both say that Arrieta was intentionally hit. Nobody reasonable could possibly believe that Arrieta's hit batters were intentional. Pirates obviously very, very frustrated.
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U mad bro?
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Finally found the game online and the first thing I see is a screen full of players pushing and shoving. Jake, just stay on first and don't do anything rash! Pirates are collapsing.
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Rodriguez showing up Zambrano.
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Smart play by the Pirates. Nothing to lose. Maybe rattle Arrieta and/or get him thrown out.
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Stolen base for jake!
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Ugh, now teams warned. So if a ball gets away from Arrieta or Rondon at the wrong time, this game could turn.
Arrieta just stole a base. Nice reaction.
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S-Rod looking like a Templar Knight...stolen base for Arrietta
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Polanco made a nice running catch to end the inning.
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Love the stolen base.
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BAMF
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So Arrieta steals second base. Would have probably scored if Polanco had not made a fine play on ball hit by Fowler. That would have been really sweet.
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Prediction: Arrieta comes out an Ks the side on about 12 pitches this inning.
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This is the inning that scares me. Arrieta was already doing poorly last inning, and now he is upset.
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Jayson Stark Retweeted
Ace of MLB Stats @theaceofspaeder 1m1 minute ago
Jake Arrieta is the first #Cubs pitcher to steal a base in a #postseason game since Bill Donovan on October 14, 1908.
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He was hit, is upset and was running the bases. Scary inning here.
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uh oh
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Not a good start.
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How long do they go with him here?
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Cervelli single, and now Arrieta is wild to Walker. Time to get someone up in the pen.
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Time to get Arrieta out of there.
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Bat girl in the stands
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I really don't understand why Maddon doesn't have anybody warming up. Arrieta's been less than his usually stellar self since the 5th.
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Wal"K"er
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Arrieta settles back in and Ks Walker after a visit from Bosio.
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Jayson Stark seem to think that Bill Donovan was a Cub.
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Ernie Johnson Jr. somehow can't tell the difference between Jordy Mercer and Aramis Ramirez.
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Ha darling forgets A-ram was a Cub
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DP!!!
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BRYANT!!!!
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Again...whew
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Arrieta 3-1 to Ramirez. Still nothing going on in the pen for some reason. Strop and Wood should be up.
GIDP!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!! Nice play Bryant.
6 outs to go.
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Kris Bryant flashing some leather at 3B to end the inning with a DP.
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That was probably the last MLB AB Aramis Ramirez will ever take. Guess it's kind of fitting that a Cubs third baseman started a double play on the probable last pitch he saw as a major leaguer.
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The smile on Bryant and the catchers reaction...haha
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Aram, I love you man, but... this is how it has to be.
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A-Ram can still contribute...a throwing error would be nice
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Denorfia lead off walk
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Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick 59s59 seconds ago
When did Kris Bryant turn into Scott Rolen?
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Gotta have the bullpen start the bottom of the inning, right?
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"Sharing of information is always pretty good."
- Cal Ripken Jr.
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I let Arrieta start. He doesn't face McCutchen in the 8th though. He's pitched Alvarez well.
I wonder if they should have used Berry here for Denorfia. One more run here would be huge.
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"Sharing of information is always pretty good."
- Cal Ripken Jr.
From the Harold Reynolds/Joe Morgan school of broadcasting.
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Arrietta pitch count 87...9 K 0 BB
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Bryant has been brutal at the plate tonight.
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Getting it done in the field though.
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Rizzo has been just as bad.
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Rizzo not having a good night at the plate.
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Jackson swings at a bad pitch to end the inning.
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Good grief. Those were some awful at bats.
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If the Cubs go deep in the playoffs, this white screen problem on this board is going to get really annoying.
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Really hoping that Arrieta can get back on track for the 8th.
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Alvarez K
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Good start for the 8th inning.
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Morse single. Another DP in order?
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This has all the makings of an inning ending DP...eh
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Polanco flies to right. Two gone
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Both Darling and Ripken observing that Arrieta seems to be back on track this inning.
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Hard to believe Maddon still doesn't have the bullpen active. In a regular season game, there's no chance the bullpen wouldn't be active with a runner on in the 8th.
It's like Maddon is making some kind of statement about his confidence level in Arrieta.
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3 more outs to guarantee 3 more games.
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yes 11 ks
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To the 9th we go!
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Hard to believe Maddon still doesn't have the bullpen active. In a regular season game, there's no chance the bullpen wouldn't be active with a runner on in the 8th.
It's like Maddon is making some kind of statement about his confidence level in Arrieta.
He da man
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Through 8 innings now. Arrieta at 103 pitches, with 11 strike outs, 0 BB, 4 H.
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Does he start the 9th?
I would say yes.
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No
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I think he is
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Marte is good on defense. Damn
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He is
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Nobody up in the bullpen for the Cubs. Arrieta will at least start the 9th.
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Russell is thrown out at 2nd. Should have stayed at first on that.
Bottom of the 9th we go.
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Ha Looks like he is...WTF?...oh thats right madden the man
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Hope he didn't hurt himself on that slide...
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Carrie Muskat @CarrieMuskat 1m1 minute ago
#Cubs Arrieta has tied Kerry Wood's postseason record for most Ks in a game with 11
Jayson Stark @jaysonst 53s53 seconds ago
Complete list of shutouts with 10+ K in winner-take-all games: Verlander (11K) 2012 ALDS, Koufax (10) 1965 WS, MadBum (10) in Pitt last year
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Bad luck for Addy.
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Russell hurt?
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Jim Bowden
ESPN Insider
When I asked Cubs Manager this afternoon what his bullpen plan was tonight he answered me Jake Arrieta to Jake Arrieta
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Rondon isn't even warming up?
Is Maddon playing some kind of mind game here with the rest of the playoff teams? Is he trying to show them that Arrieta is so good he doesn't even have to pay attention to the game? Seems completely irresponsible to not have Rondon ready in the pen, there's nothing to lose.
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Weak comebacker to Arrieta, 1 out.
The crowd is dead.
Grounder to third, 2 outs.
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lookin' good
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I'm not sure what we gain by having Arrieta finish this game. I would rather have saved his workload for the Cardinals.
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WINNER!
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CUBS WIN!!!! CUBS WIN!!!!! CUBS WIN!!!!
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CUBS WIN!!!
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CUBS WIN!
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Wildcard winners!!!
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Jayson Stark @jaysonst 7m7 minutes ago
Complete list of shutouts with 10+ K in winner-take-all games: Verlander (11K) 2012 ALDS, Koufax (10) 1965 WS, MadBum (10) in Pitt last year
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Arrieta! What a stud. Schwarber and Fowler! What a beautiful game. Bring on the Cardinals!
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That was fun. Let's see 11 more just like it.
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Damn, can we save this guy's back? Pitch a complete game then lift up the entire team in celebration?
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Herrera's hat is great, by the way.
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Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma 6m6 minutes ago
Folks, this is Jake Arrieta when he's *slightly* off his game: 8 IP, 4 H, 0 BB, 11 K, 2 HBP and out there for the 9th. That's crazy.
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what a great, great game.
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Damn, can we save this guy's back? Pitch a complete game then lift up the entire team in celebration?
That back carried us all through the last two months. It's pretty strong.
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We never quit!
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By the way, there was a tweet by someone and also a comment by either Ripken or Darling referring to Castro's DP turns as being Cano-like. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like he's better on DP turns as a second baseman than he was a SS.
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As Arietta is being interviewed while being dowsed by champaign in the locker room, someone pointed out that he stole a base, and Arietta added "in the playoffs" with a grin on his face.
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His throwing arm is so, so strong by 2B standards.
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Should I text Dave23?
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Len Kasper, great with words, expressing how we all feel tonight on Twitter:
Len Kasper @LenKasper
Yes!
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Fantastic win. Fantastic season. And Jake is simple awesome.
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Castro is a very good defensive second baseman.
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Fantastic game! Love this team!! Fun to follow with all of you after so many hard years together!!!
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Castro is a very good defensive second baseman.
In the games I've seen that has seemed to be the case. This change may prove to be the best thing that could have happened to his career.
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Pedro loves Arrieta.
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Maddon asked about pitch count: "It was infinity." Then he adjusted that and said it depended not on pitch count, but how he was pitching. Noted that Rondon was warming up in the bullpen in the 9th.
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I laughed when the host asked Pedro how he felt about Arrieta staring down Watson.
Pedro almost ripped Don Zimmer's head completely off. How do you think he felt about the staredown?!?!
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It just hit me that I will be at my first Cubs playoff game in Wrigley Field since the first game in 1984. Guess who is going to be pitching?
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Scott Sanderson?
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Arrieta was amazing, but I still think that Kyle Schwarber HR and bat flip is the greatest thing I've seen in a Cubs playoff game. What a beast. He was in Arizona in the instructional league last year at this time.
Lackey vs. Lester Friday. Oh man. We have to find a way to get one there this weekend and give the ball to Arrieta at Wrigley for game 3.
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Len Kasper Retweeted
Ace of MLB Stats @theaceofspaeder 25m25 minutes ago
#Cubs Jake Arrieta is the first pitcher in baseball history with a double-digit strikeout, no walk complete game shutout in the #postseason.
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Remember the scene in "War Games" when Matthew Broderick makes Joshua the computer play Tic Tac Toe and the computer learns that there's no way to win?
I think of that when I watch this Cubs team play in important games. You can almost see them "learning how to win". What it takes. How to go about it. How to deal with the pressure.
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I wish I could have seen the game. I moved to a new house, and have no television service .... Reading the play by play is not quite as good.
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As ecstatic as I am over the win, I feel bad for the Pirate fans. Third year in a row to lose the wild card game. That's gotta hurt. Second best record in baseball and they're going home AGAIN.
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As ecstatic as I am over the win, I feel bad for the Pirate fans. Third year in a row to lose the wild card game. That's gotta hurt. Second best record in baseball and they're going home AGAIN.
They won in 2013.
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This is awesome!
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I wish I could have seen the game. I moved to a new house, and have no television service .... Reading the play by play is not quite as good.
Hey - A Gracehoney sighting. Welcome back old friend.
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Lmao!!
Reporter "you didn't seem as crisp tonight. How did you feel battling with less than your best."
Arrieta, "Well I don't know what game you were watching......"
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They won in 2013.
Thanks, Cletus. I could have sworn the announcers said differently. Sorry.
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Yeah, sucks for Pirates fans. The wild card game really should've been between the Dodgers and Mets if they just based the seeding on records...but for some reason, MLB is obsessed with rewarding teams like the Mets because they happen to be the least bad team in a crappy division.
From the Cubs perspective, though, it's good. Now the current best team in the NL (or second best, depending on how you rate the Cubs) is out after one game, and the road to the World Series is much easier.
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On CSN, Kaplan and Hollandsworth showed some examples of Montero's pitch framing during the game. And you could definitely see it. A contribution that would be easy to overlook.
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Hey hey, friends! What a fabulous win. Wow!
So, the second post-season "series" that we've won in 117 years? Nice! :)
Some great defense on the DP's.
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Cubs should follow Houston's model yesterday. Hit a couple HR's. Pitch a shutout.
Hmm, that was a pretty good plan, I guess!
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Arrieta had a game score of 90, the highest in any winner take all playoff game in history.
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Home teams fail to score in this year's wild card games!
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Yes, it was great defense (and pitching and hitting)...but the great defense seemed especially sweet, particularly from such young guys.
As JeffH said, we've been watching the young Cubs learn how to win...what they did tonight was, no doubt, way more amazing to me than to them!
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Hey - A Gracehoney sighting. Welcome back old friend.
Yeah, welcome back. Why gone so long?
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That was the most fired up Ive been for a baseball game in a long time.
This next series will be intense.
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Congrats to everybody on the board. Gratifying win---even for the players!
On to St. Louis to beat the Cardinals. Excruciating at times to watch a game like this but FUN.
A lot better than figuring what spot we're drafting. Those days are gone. Good riddance.
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Fantastic game! Love this team!! Fun to follow with all of you after so many hard years together!!!
i'll second that:)
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Congrats, guys.
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Yeah, welcome back. Why gone so long?
Whoa! A Deeg sighting too. Welcome back. Hope you've enjoyed this season (and post-season) as much as I have.
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Whoa! A Deeg sighting too. Welcome back. Hope you've enjoyed this season (and post-season) as much as I have.
I'm exhausted, and that was a 4-0 game, If it'd been close...
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DEEEEEEEEG!!!!!!
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What is it with these old posters coming out of the woodwork? Where have you been all season?
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What is it with these old posters coming out of the woodwork? Where have you been all season?
When it rains, it snows.
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Congrats to the Cubs and Cubs fans. What a game. What a season. Wow!
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What a game! What a win! Great to see some old posters come back!!!
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Wow what a game.
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Jeff, does that mean that the Cubs should not play?
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Pat Hughes calls Schwarber's homer:
http://m.mlb.com/video/v520334783/nl-wc-schwarber-clubs-450foot-shot-vs-bucs
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Len Kasper calls Fowler's homer:
http://m.mlb.com/video/v520338383/nl-wc-fowler-smacks-a-394foot-homer-in-the-5th
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Pat Hughes: "Good bye Pittsburgh, hello St. Louis."
http://m.mlb.com/video/v520331183/cubs-celebrate-wild-card-win-advance-to-nlds
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Patrick Mooney @CSNMooney 53m53 minutes ago
Arrieta on his SB: “That s---’s awesome. I might like that more than the CG. I’m going to try and stack up a few more in St. Louis." #Cubs
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(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSb4Pzn4jm-XRYDDd5P2CqSixWK08s1GvIhTaSY_mVmnHedf-4G)
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Big international news:
Hire Jim Essia @hirejimessian
BREAKING: Schwarber's home run just landed in Paris.
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Weatherguy!
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Would these posters that just show up when we're good be considered fairweather fans?
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StatCast estimates Schwarber's blast was 450' with an exit velocity of 111.3 mph.
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/73955164/v520334783/nl-wc-schwarber-clubs-450foot-shot-vs-bucs (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/73955164/v520334783/nl-wc-schwarber-clubs-450foot-shot-vs-bucs)
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Maddon post-game presser. About 10 minutes.
http://m.mlb.com/chc/video/topic/58922774/v520332883/nl-wc-maddon-on-arrietas-performance-wild-card-win/?c_id=chc
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I bet when Oriole fans see Jake Arrieta they feel like Cub fans do when they see Josh Donaldson.
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Cubs. Yes.
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Well I'm going to bed before vbrett or Paulie show up.
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Who is Paulie?
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Forget the Cy Young dude should be in the MVP discussion. Great interview with him after the game by the way.
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Who is Paulie?
You don't remember the guy with the Polish name that thought that Lizard People were taking over the earth?
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You don't remember the guy with the Polish name that thought that Lizard People were taking over the earth?
You mean Curt?
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Jeff, does that mean that the Cubs should not play?
"Tic Tac Toe baseball not is", said Yoda.
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Would these posters that just show up when we're good be considered fairweather fans?
Does the name Jim Tyrone mean anything to you?
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Who is Paulie? ???
How could you forget Paulie?
Now is Stephaniefromparkridge shows up we know something's up....
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Oops.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQw5-7qUcAAgUY5.jpg)
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Yes, welcome back Deeg.
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Fun piece on the Cubs from Jason Stark that includes the following list of truly remarkable accomplishments by Arrieta:
In this game, he became the first pitcher ever -- right, ever -- to throw a postseason shutout with double-digit strikeouts and zero walks. Look it up.
He also became just the fourth pitcher ever to strike out 10 or more and throw a shutout in a winner-take-all postseason game. Perhaps you've heard of the other three to do it: Sandy Koufax in the 1965 World Series, Justin Verlander in the 2012 ALDS and Madison Bumgarner in last year's wild-card game in this very same park.
Over his final nine starts of the regular season, Arrieta went 8-0, with a 0.27 ERA and a .132 opponent batting average. And the Elias Sports Bureau tells us that since baseball began keeping track of earned runs over a century ago, no pitcher has ever had an ERA or opponent average that low of a batting average over a span of that many starts. And after this game, those numbers sit at 0.24 and .132. Unreal.
Since Aug. 1, 269 pitchers have allowed at least four earned runs in an inning. Meanwhile, Arrieta has also allowed four earned runs -- in two months. Over 13 starts. His 0.37 ERA over that span is the lowest in history by any pitcher, over that many starts, since the invention of earned runs.
And if the Cubs are starting to get the impression he's the closest thing there is to unbeatable, this might be why: Over Arrieta's past 14 starts, they're 14-0. Over his past 19 starts, they're 18-1. Is that even possible?
http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2015/story/_/id/13834254/chicago-cubs-wild-wild-card-win-puts-away-pirates (http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2015/story/_/id/13834254/chicago-cubs-wild-wild-card-win-puts-away-pirates)
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And if the Cubs are starting to get the impression he's the closest thing there is to unbeatable, this might be why: Over Arrieta's past 14 starts, they're 14-0. Over his past 19 starts, they're 18-1. Is that even possible?
http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2015/story/_/id/13834254/chicago-cubs-wild-wild-card-win-puts-away-pirates (http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2015/story/_/id/13834254/chicago-cubs-wild-wild-card-win-puts-away-pirates)
Lest anyone forget, that one loss was Cole Hamel's no-hitter.
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I was told in confidence that BigBadBanana tried to chime in last night, but found out he wasn't registered here yet.
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I wonder if Dave23 knows we won yet.
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ChicagoCubsOnline Retweeted
Austin Karp @AustinKarp 14m14 minutes ago
Cubs-Pirates NL Wild Card drew 21.8 local rating in Chicago, marking the best for any MLB game in the market since 2005 World Series Game 4
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You mean Curt?
Is One a Polish name? It probably used to be Oneski.
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Too many vowels in Oneski.
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You guys are a barrel of laughs.
What was the name of the Israeli who gave us "damb" and other giggles?
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It would have to be something like Oneschzski.
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The very first board I joined had a guy named Bruno, who was the most foul mouthed person I have ever seen on the internet, which covers a lot. I noticed that he was signing in as a guest, and had not registered his user name, so I registered under that name and started posting in the style of Stephanieinparkridge.
He left the board, and as far as I know, never returned.
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By the way, it is great to hear from Weatherguy and even Boris, but if Oldfan starts posting again, it better be in the Religion and Politics thread.
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I think vbrett was my favorite. He was just nutty enough without crossing into probably-clinically-insane the way some of the others have.
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I would like to see Beerfan back, myself.
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Beerfan went the way of BigBadBanana.
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Paul Kwiatkowski, lol. That guy...
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He actually had some pretty cool old photos on his Facebook page from Toledo, a lot of tin foil stuff too.
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You don't remember the guy with the Polish name that thought that Lizard People were taking over the earth?
Yes. Now it's all back. I miss Hayman. Not sure if anyone remembers him.
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Does anyone remember SailorGirl? She used to post all the time until JBN banned her from the board.
Assuming that she was not an alternative username for JBN.
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I still kinda miss bleacherboy.
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DaveP, she's still around. I let her go to work and come home.
I think she needs another job though.
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Cletus, Jimmer and weatherguy cameos were fantastic. If Kyle Farnsworth's mom/dad shows up, it's a party.
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The return of that goblue guy was cool as well.
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DaveP, she's still around. I let her go to work and come home.
I think she needs another job though.
She only has one? Don't let Mrs DaveP find out.
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Cletus, Jimmer and weatherguy cameos were fantastic. If Kyle Farnsworth's mom/dad shows up, it's a party.
I'm not sure that GeorgiaCub was really a Cub fan at heart.
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Thanks, Ron! ;D
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There was another family member wasn't there? alq...something...srb?
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Would be interesting to hear from bistro...:D
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Would be interesting to hear from bistro...:D
I emailed him this morning and invited him to check in.
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What happened to StrikeZone?
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He posted not long ago.
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I found it interesting that Joe went with the pitcher batting 9th last night after batting him 8th the vast majority of games during the season.
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what ever happened to Moses he was Hoot with his Kevin Orie song
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Think part of hitting pitcher #8 is notion you can double switch him out when SP comes out. Arrieta going deep into game. Maybe same notion for Lester in game 1.
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I emailed him this morning and invited him to check in.
Nice. Another of my favorite posters.
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Oh yeah, bistro <3
Srq...wasn't that Matt Bruback's dad or something like that?
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And there was SJorgy, Ryan Jorgensen's dad.
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Who was that lady that yelled at me all the time for picking on Jim Riggleman?
Fergie or something?
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FITS
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Stan the man left tickets for me with Ryan during spring training. Nice guy.
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Stan the man left tickets for me with Ryan during spring training. Nice guy.
Yes, he was (probably still is).
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Who was that lady that yelled at me all the time for picking on Jim Riggleman?
Fergie or something?
FITS
FITS is not a lady. Except on special nights when his wife isn't home.
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FITS is not a lady. Except on special nights when his wife isn't home.
It took a minute to figure out what your post was all about. I don't read posts from anyone who is usually very negative and didn't see that question.
I emailed FITS not long ago. He is fine.
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Who was that lady that yelled at me all the time for picking on Jim Riggleman?
Fergie or something?
Karen M. She was either Fergie's wife or perhaps his alter ego. He sure sounded like a women in some of his posts.
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Oh yeah, bistro <3
Srq...wasn't that Matt Bruback's dad or something like that?
Damb it. I went to Sarasota to have lunch with Bruback's dad back then, and for the life of me can not remember his username. I'm getting to be as old as Curt was thirty years ago or so.
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You're old enough to have that Naples money now
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I hope Keysbear is doing well.
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I found it interesting that Joe went with the pitcher batting 9th last night after batting him 8th the vast majority of games during the season.
Yep.
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Somebody asked whether Schwarber's HR actually landed in the river. Statcast shows it leaving the stadium at least. The video is here.
http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/10/08/kyle-schwarbers-mammoth-homer-left-the-stadium-video/
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Srqcubs was Mr. Bruback, I'm pretty sure...
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Fergie and KarenM were a couple...their user pics busted them eventually...
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Somebody asked whether Schwarber's HR actually landed in the river. Statcast shows it leaving the stadium at least. The video is here.
http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/10/08/kyle-schwarbers-mammoth-homer-left-the-stadium-video/
Article linked below says distance to the river is 443 down the line. So, if Schwarber's homer was estimated 450 with that exit velocity, then may have made it on fly, or at least may have bounced into river. I saw Cubs at PNC for a Bucs-Cubs series in 2008 and walked all around park and hitting ball into the river would be quite a shot.
http://old.post-gazette.com/pirates/20010415pncriver9.asp
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I thought the camera work in that game was pretty lousy. They don't have shots of a splash-down home run in the biggest game of the year? WTF? They didn't have a check-swing camera, etc. Surprising.
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There's a new billboard advertising Pirates Charities that could be blocking the view.
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Here's the lineup:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ5BTbqVEAAedEE.jpg)
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Lester hitting 9th?
Lol
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In contrast, the camera work on MLBN for today's Jays/Rangers game has been beyond outstanding...
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Minor lineup change--Schwarber and Coghlan have switched positions--Coghlan is now playing LF, and Schwarber is in RF.
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I thought the camera work in that game was pretty lousy. They don't have shots of a splash-down home run in the biggest game of the year? WTF? They didn't have a check-swing camera, etc. Surprising.
I THOUGHT THE SAME THING...A great camera shot and they blew it
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TBS's coverage has always been second rate. I don't think they've upgraded anything about their broadcasts since they quit showing the Braves several years ago.
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It's bad enough that we don't get to listen to Len and JD.
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Carpenter 3B, Piscotty 1B, Holiday LF, Heyward CF, Peralta SS, Grichuk RF, Molina C, Wong 2B, Lackey P
That is an interesting lineup.
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TurnerSportsPR @TurnerSportsPR
In the booth for @Cubs vs. @Cardinals (6:30p/E, TBS): Brian Anderson (pxp), @Eck43 and Joe Simpson (analysts) with @matt_winer (reporter)
Ugh, Joe Simpson is up there with Hawk as one of the worst announcers in baseball.
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It's going to be hard to concentrate on my cards in the poker game this evening with the game on. I won't even be sitting in my normal seat so I can see the TV while playing at my buddies house.
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And I will be taking any wagers on the game before it starts from anyone else at the table.
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Fowler Ks to start.
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Schwarber pops out on the first pitch.
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Bryant rips a 3-2 pitch, but it's tracked down by gimp Holliday in left center.
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Where is everybody?
This is kind of a big deal.
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Sound and video out of sync. TBS sucks.
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Good at bat by Bryant. Lackey looked very good. Lester is going to have to be on.
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Carpenter with a quick out.
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Scary foul tip off David Ross' mask, but it looks like he's OK.
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Piscotty with a ground rule double....ugh!
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Lester hasn't looked too impressive for the first 8 pitches or so. Command seems to be off so far.
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Holliday RBI base hit...
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Heyward out on 1 pitch. 2 outs
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Lester just grooved two pitches in a row to Holliday. Bad idea.
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Wild pitch moves Holliday to 2nd.
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Peralta Ks to end the inning.
Tighten it up Lester!
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Could have been worse. Hopefully Rizzo gets us started.
Seems like the last couple of times, Lester has given up a run early and then settles down. Let's hope that is the case tonight.
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I've hated Matt Holliday ever since he spiked and forearmed Castro on a DP a few years ago.
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Lackey seems to be getting some borderline pitches that Lester didn't get in the first.
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This umpire's strike zone stinks so far.
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If TBS's strike zone graphic is anywhere close to correct, Lackey is getting a HUGE zone. That last strike call on Coghlan was brutal.
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At least three bad calls that half inning.
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Really wide strike zone for Lackey. Last two strikes called on Coughlan were both outside according to pitch track. There were other similar calls as well. Doubt Lackey needs that help.
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I swear, Coghlan seems to get called out on more balls outside of the strike zone than any other player in baseball. If that is the strikezone Lackey is going to get tonight, we are done. Ridiculous.
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2015 compensation:
Jon Lester - $30 million
John Lackey - $507,500
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Is Eric Gregg back?
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Pitch him up and in!!!
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I think TBS's strikezone is off, which makes the umpire look worse than he is. But the zone is still huge.
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That's a good one
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KKK
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Wong gets a double off a very good pitch by Lester.
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At least we have Ross and Lester up this inning.
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Good approach so far by the Cardinals. No one has tried to pull, just going with the pitch or up the middle. Hopefully we start doing the same.
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Again, outside pitch called a strike on Russell. These pitches have been up as well, though not high above the strike zone.
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I'm not getting a good feeling about this game.
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Heyward makes a good play to get Russell. Cubs are hitting the ball. Hopefully they start falling in soon.
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TBS strike zone looks a lot like what's on MLB. I still think they suck, though.
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It always feels like gravity works differently at Busch Stadium. Balls that the Cubs hit just seem to hang up longer than they do anywhere else--I thought that Russell ball was going to get down.
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Another 1-2-3 inning....
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Same....and I thought Schwarber might have gotten to that ground rule double in the first.
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Let's see what happens second time through the order. Unfortunately, they are starting to go second time through in the bottom of the 3rd and we have to wait until the top of the 4th.
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With the strike zone this guy has been calling, how was that 2-2 to Carpenter not a strike?
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I don't think Schwarber got a great jump on that ball, but he looked good running it down.
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Strike 3 gets called ball 3 and Carpenter almost hits a ball over Schwarber's head. Good catch there.
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Schwarber makes a good play on a drive by Carpenter in the gap. TBS announcers, Eckersley etc, all gushing about the young players. Not just their talent but their baseball instincts and intelligence. One said they don't know they aren't supposed to be this good, and they are really good.
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Out.
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Phil Cuzzi was the umpire behind the plate for the Hamels no hitter...I wasn't really watching that day, did the strike zone seem terrible that day?
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That's as close a play as I've ever seen. I don't think the review is clear enough to overturn the call on the field.
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He's out
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Castro loses the ball as he lifts his arm to throw, ball goes behind his head, but he catches it and manages to get Holliday at first,, barely. Surprised that Matheny is making a challenge there. Matheny uses up one of his two challenges. Odd.
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Whew. Don't like how this game is going at all. Cardinals are playing great defense, hitting balls the other way and hard and Castro almost made a terrible play there.
Come on Fowler. We need you. Get our first hit and get us started.
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Schwarber walks and Bryant immediately grounds into a double play on the next pitch.
I don't understand why the Cubs can never figure out John Lackey. He always looks like he should be hittable.
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Bryant killed that rally quick
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Have to stop trying to pull everything. Playing right into what Lackey wants them to do.
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Everything going Cardinals way so far. Subtle things so far, but still.
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Heyward singled, and another wild pitch by Lester. Heyward is on second now.
Lester is missing the zone by a lot often tonight. We're really lucky this isn't already a blowout.
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Out of the inning, but it feels like it should be 3 or 4 to nothing.
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I think TBS' pitch trax is off. That last pitch definitely crossed the plate
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Peralta ks looking and Molina hacks the first pitch to Fowler. Whew!
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Lester gets out of the inning. When Molina hit the ball, I was sure it was going to fall in. But Fowler got there easily.
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I think TBS' pitch trax is off. That last pitch definitely crossed the plate
For sure.
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Rizzo due, then two guys who have historically hit Lackey pretty well. Hopefully they get things going this inning.
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Wait, I was wrong...Castro hasn't hit Lackey well in the past. I thought I'd read that he had.
Rizzo Ks. Are the Cubs going to get no hit?
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Fearless prediction: Jon Lester will get the first hit.
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Are the Cubs going to get no hit?
Yes.
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Castro grounds out.
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Coghlan weak popup. No hitter through 5 innings.
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This has major suckage written all over it.
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Boy do some of you guys get discouraged easily.
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Wong strikes out. Hopefully Lester can a quick inning.
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This sucketh so far, but it's still only 1-0
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Lackey was not too happy with that swing-and-miss of his.
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Lester gets Wong and Lackey quickly by going right after them.
Then he's back to nibbling a foot off the plate to Carpenter and quickly falls behind 3-0. Lester's really good, but he's not the most fun pitcher to watch.
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Lester with 8 Ks through five.
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No hitter finally broken up. Russell on first for Ross and Lester.
Let's see a Lester go-ahead homer this inning. That would be fun.
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Ross called out on a bad call.
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Another BS strike 3 call. Cuzzi is terrible.
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Wild pitch, Russell to second.
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That was an awful call on David Ross.
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I'm letting Lester take a hack after the wild pitch.
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Lester grounds out but moves Russell to third.
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Another wild pitch would be nice.
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Cuzzi sucks.
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Lester with 8 Ks through five.
Stop that!
More seriously, it has been a frustrating game and Lester has seemed to struggle. Yet Lester has given up only one run in 5 innings. And there is plenty of time left.
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JEEEEZZZZ!!!!!!
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That was almost great.
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Eckersley just said "that corner is huge, it's swollen" after ball well inside on Fowler is called a strike.
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I'm glad the NL insists on having pitchers pretend to hit. It was great to have Lester take an AB after Russell got on. Just riveting baseball.
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Wow. Fowler almost put the Cubs ahead on that swing. Cubs are getting some good swings on Lackey.
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Cuzzi's strike zone is just ridiculous.
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Of course that's an out. Ugh, I hate that ballpark. At least we got some better swings. Can't let up now Lester. We're not going to score many tonight obviously. Hold them here and see if Schwarber can get us started in the 7th.
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I just went Sean Rodriguez on my couch.
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Wow. Fowler almost put the Cubs ahead on that swing. Cubs are getting some good swings on Lackey.
If by "some" you mean "2, maybe 3 this entire game," then yes...they're getting some good wings on Lackey.
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Fowler, Lackey, and Molina all thought that ball was gone. This has the feel of a game where the Cubs never get the break they need.
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This strike zone is a joke.
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Cuzzi is awful. That 1-1 pitch to Holliday has been a strike for Lackey all night.
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At least Lester is getting the Cardinals to swing at these sinking pitches. If they took them, they would be balls with this ump.
Grounder to Rizzo and we get the 3-1 groundout. Let's get some runs!
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This is a pretty big inning to say the least. Schwarber, Bryant, and Rizzo. Need to get something going here or it is going to look pretty bleak.
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Bunt single for Schwarber!!
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Bunt single for the Schwarb!
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Schwarber! Nice.
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Been a long time since Bryant has hit a home run.
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That was a very hittable pitch...
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One out for Rizzo now.
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That 3-2 pitch by Lackey to Bryant was just about perfect given the zone he has had tonight.
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Brutal.
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Nothing is going our way in this game.
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Cubs won't win without contributions from Bryant and Rizzo.
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This team is going nowhere if Rizzo and Bryant keep playing like they have the last two games.
Hopefully Matheny will pull Lackey next inning and the Cubs will have a chance. They're just not going to hit him tonight.
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Nope. It is going to take something pretty amazing to pull this one out.
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I had a bad feeling when I heard Lackey was pitching Game 1.
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Well, Rizzo just made a nice contribution on defense.
Six outs left for the Cubs.
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They are only down 1-0. Right?
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Come on, just find a way to tie this thing. Hopefully Castro hits a line drive instead of pulling another grounder.
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Great outing by Lester. Rizzo looks so defensive at the plate. Unleash Soler and Baez, skip.
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Castro is back to rolling everything over.
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After Castro grounds weakly on the first pitch, Matheny is pulling Lackey for some reason. The Cubs were going to be shut out if Matheny just left him alone...maybe that will change now.
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Soler power.
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Yeah, Castro looks like June Castro the last two games.
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The worst ever manager of a 100+ win baseball team.
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Castro has been rolling over to short again. Think they're tighter than they're purported to be.
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Cuzzi is just brutal. That 1-1 to Coghlan was unhittable because it was so far out of the zone. Embarrassing that MLB has guys like this umpiring a playoff game.
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Wtf? Why leave Coghlan in?
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How can you let Coghlan hit there?
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Montero, LaStella and Fowler against Rosenthal?
They better light up Garcia tomorrow because Hendricks ain't much.
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Don't get letting Coghlan hit. I don't care what Siegrist splits are, chances are he is only facing lefties like Rizzo.
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I'd go Soler, Baez and Fowler. Soler or Baez might run into a fastball and tie the game with one swing.
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Wtf? Why leave Coghlan in?
My reaction as well. But it turns out that Siegrist is much more effective against RH batters.
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I'd go LaStella and Soler. Soler has had some good swings against Rosenthal.
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Cuzzi is horrible.
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I'd go Baez Soler as well just guessing what Joe will do
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Well, that probably finishes it.
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Doesn't really matter now. 2-0. What a frustrating game.
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Why am I not surprised?
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Really? Tommy Pham?
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Hopefully they shake this crap off and come out better tomorrow.
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Well that sucked. I was still having visions of someone getting lucky and hitting one out. Need a bloop and a blast now (if we can hold them here).
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Has everyone else been getting the white screen constantly tonight? This board really just doesn't seem to be able to handle our traffic anymore.
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Lester pitched pretty well tonight, but it's looking like it will be a morgue at Wrigley when the series gets back there.
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This better not be a repeat of 07 and 08, but it has that feeling at the moment.
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4-0. Well, that really finishes it. This felt like 2007-08 playoffs tonight.
I really would've liked to have seen how this game would've played out with a competent umpire.
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****
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The love affair with Strop kills us again.
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Well, this is probably the last we'll see of Strop this series.
Hendricks will be facing one hell of a daunting task tomorrow. Do we have any shot against Garcia? At least we go right back at it tomorrow.
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Better luck next year....2 hits today ... one was a bunt single. Yikes.
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Cuzzi isn't hanging sliders and swinging through 91 mph fastballs.
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Sigh. Of course, somehow, it is the Cardinal rookies who steal the show
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Tomorrow we get to find out just how good the Cubs team is this year.
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Garcia is good. 60+% GB. I wouldn't start Castro against him.
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I know the Cardinals were better than the third-place Cubs this year, and this series shouldn't even be being played if we were using the rules for any season before 2011, but it's still so disappointing to watch this.
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Tomorrow we get to find Tonight we found out just how good the Cubs team is this year.
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Phil Cuzzi trending on Twitter.
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Denofria? WTF Joe.
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Not really sure why anyone would have thrown a pitch over the plate when they can get strikes several inches off the plate, particularly outside. Seems like the Cards got more of those calls than the Cubs, but not really sure. Oh well.
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Still fine if they win tomorrow. Need better ABs from Rizzo.
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Agreed on both, east.
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Mlb should be embarrassed. Cuzzi is an unmitigated disaster.
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Schwarber gets a base hit to left to keep the Cubs' hopes alive. Just barely.
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This has been Eric Gregg bad tonight. Fowler just rung up on a pitch way inside.
Now Schwarber singles. 2 on, 2 out for Bryant. Imagine if Cuzzi had made Rosenthal get more than 2 strikes against Fowler.
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Announcer: "If I were Rosenthal, I'd throw it somewhere near the left-handed batter's box and expect to get the call."
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Bryant late on fastballs lately.
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Fitting way to end
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Fitting end
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Fitting. Game ends on yet another bad call from Cuzzi.
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Well at least we have Hendricks tomorrow
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If I'm Maddon I'm getting fined.
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https://twitter.com/Espngreeny/status/652658368725692416
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Appropriate that the game would end on a strike call on a pitch outside the strike zone. No question that the Cards outplayed the Cubs in this game and that the Cubs offense didn't produce (though Fowler's near HR could have changed all that dramatically). But one has to wonder if things might have been different if the Cards pitchers had not had such an expanded strike zone. Well, it is what it is.
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Bryant and Rizzo are a combined 0 for 14 with 1 walk in two postseason games.
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We'll see what this team is made of tomorrow. Going from winning 4-0 to losing 4-0. We haven't done particularly well against lefties. I imagine Schwarber will be in the lineup for sure. I hope Soler starts. He's had success there and I want to see him get a shot. I'd sit Castro for LaStella tomorrow. Castro can start at Wrigley against Wacha since he's done well against him in the past I believe.
Could be a defining start for Kyle Hendricks tomorrow. Can he handle the pressure? I'm not feeling very good about the pitching matchup though. We had to get the win tonight. Hopefully Hendricks proves me wrong.
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Combine bad umpiring with overeager youth, you get this result. Bryant and Rizzo both had chances to do something and failed.
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I really felt that if the Cubs could win this game they'd be in great shape to win the series. And that would have been true. But in a sense, this was an even more important game for the Cards to win. Losing at home, losing the home field advantage and going to Wrigley for two games, the first one against Arrieta would have been really deflating for them.
Whatever happens from this point, this will be a learning experience for the Cubs. Hopefully it will turn out to be more than that.
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I didn't see much of the game, but in what I did see Lackey was terrific. With the ump's enlarged strike zone, it was going to be tough for the Cubs to do anything against him.
The big game is tomorrow.
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I think that's all true, Ron. I also think that whoever wins tomorrow, probably wins the series. Unfortunately, I'd certainly favor the Cards at this point. But if we win tomorrow, I think we more than likely advance
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Here are all of Lackey's pitches from Brooks Baseball. I'm color blind, the chart is pretty useless to me. But some of you may be able to tell how bad it actually was.
(http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/numlocation_io.php-pitchSel=407793&game=gid_2015_10_09_chnmlb_slnmlb_1&batterX=&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=&league=mlb&pnf=&zlpo=&cache=1.gif)
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4-0. Well, that really finishes it. This felt like 2007-08 playoffs tonight.
I really would've liked to have seen how this game would've played out with a competent umpire.
I suspect that Maddon and the Cub players understand that the plate umpire was the same for both teams.
Better luck next year....2 hits today ... one was a bunt single. Yikes.
I suspect that Maddon and the Cub players also understand the season is not yet over are are not quite as eager as some fans seem to be to give up.
Combine bad umpiring with overeager youth, you get this result. Bryant and Rizzo both had chances to do something and failed.
Piscoty and Pham BOTH have less major league experience than either Bryant or Rizzo.
Perhaps the result was not a result of either bad umpiring or overeager youth.
Perhaps the Cardinals simply outplayed the Cubs tonight.
But perhaps the outcome of tonight's game is not determinative of the outcome of the rest of the series.
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They don't differentiate from fouls and called strikes.
On the right side their is a cluster labled 2,4,1. 4 was a strike. Low left 5 is a strike. A bunch of high strikes as well.
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Well, we had won 9 in a row and I guess were due for a loss. Let's hope a new 9 game winning streak starts tomorrow. It almost seems like we need to win the next 3. I just can't imagine the Cubs winning game 5 at St. Louis against Lackey again.
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If I'm reading the brooks baseball called strikes correctly it wasn't as horrible as TBS made it look.
Cruzzi was giving the high strike and outside corner to lefties and inside corner to righties.
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Here's Rosenthal too:
(http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/location.php?pitchSel=572096&game=gid_2015_10_09_chnmlb_slnmlb_1/&batterX=0&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3&league=mlb&pnf=&zlpo=)
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Here's Rosenthal too:
(http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/location.php?pitchSel=572096&game=gid_2015_10_09_chnmlb_slnmlb_1/&batterX=0&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3&league=mlb&pnf=&zlpo=)
If I'm reading the Rosenthal chart correctly, he threw 21 pitches. Of those, 4 were outside the strike zone but called strikes. That seems like a pretty darned high percentage.
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Here are all of Lackey's pitches from Brooks Baseball. I'm color blind, the chart is pretty useless to me. But some of you may be able to tell how bad it actually was.
(http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/numlocation_io.php-pitchSel=407793&game=gid_2015_10_09_chnmlb_slnmlb_1&batterX=&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=&league=mlb&pnf=&zlpo=&cache=1.gif)
I count 7 balls outside the strike zone that were called strikes, from this chart. That is in addition to any borderline pitches that many umpires would be less inclined to call strikes (but which were in the zone). Depending on when those occurred, that could either be not terribly significant, given the number of pitches thrown, or very significant.
In the end, the bottom line is that the Cardinals managed the umpire's strike zone better than the Cubs did, fair or not. That is, as they say, baseball.
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The ump for Dodgers/Mets isn't doing well either.
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We'll see what this team is made of tomorrow. Going from winning 4-0 to losing 4-0. We haven't done particularly well against lefties. I imagine Schwarber will be in the lineup for sure. I hope Soler starts. He's had success there and I want to see him get a shot. I'd sit Castro for LaStella tomorrow. Castro can start at Wrigley against Wacha since he's done well against him in the past I believe.
You'd start LaStella against a lefty? I'm not sure I'd start him against anybody in this series considering the other options, but certainly not Garcia. I'd go with Baez myself - the question is whether you start him at 2B with Soler in the OF, or at 3B and keep Castro at second.
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We werent gonna sweep through the playoffs against the best teams in baseball.
Dont panic.
If we're as good as we hope we are we'll be fine.
If we cant overcome one loss then we're not championship material anyways.
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Expect to see Castro in game 2 but Garcia is a reverse splits pitcher, 2015 and career.
Rosenthal was too and Maddon used righty PHers against him, so he's cognizant of that of course.
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Well Lackey was good and Cuzzi's strike zone made him unhittable. Them's the breaks I guess.
Still, as a little bit of a Civil War buff, this kind of reminds me of one of my favorite exchanges after the first day of Shiloh where the Union had it handed to them ...
Sherman looked at him; then, "moved," as he put it later, "by some wise and sudden instinct" not to talk about retreat, he said: "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?"
Grant said "Yes," and his cigar glowed in the darkness as he gave a quick, hard puff at it, "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."
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Very good, JR.
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Why did they use their closer in that situation? Would he be available today?
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Why did they use their closer in that situation? Would he be available today?
Just a guess off the top of my head, but perhaps because they wanted to win?
I know many defeatists here were certain the Cubs were going to lose the game and the series as soon as the Cardinals took a 1-0 lead, but I don't think the Cards were quite so confident of the outcome.
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We needed to win one of the two. We'll win today. Hard to beat a pitcher when he's got a strike zone as big as the Atlantic ocean...
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Well Lackey was good and Cuzzi's strike zone made him unhittable. Them's the breaks I guess.
Still, as a little bit of a Civil War buff, this kind of reminds me of one of my favorite exchanges after the first day of Shiloh where the Union had it handed to them ...
Sherman looked at him; then, "moved," as he put it later, "by some wise and sudden instinct" not to talk about retreat, he said: "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?"
Grant said "Yes," and his cigar glowed in the darkness as he gave a quick, hard puff at it, "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."
Grant was drunk a lot, like I suspect you are right now.
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Why did they use their closer in that situation? Would he be available today?
A buddy of mine said that Rosenthal hadn't been used in 10 days or so...not sure if that's accurate or not, but would explain wanting to get him an inning...
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Actually one of the last times he was used, he blew up and led to the Brewer's 5 run 9th.
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We needed to win one of the two. We'll win today. Hard to beat a pitcher when he's got a strike zone as big as the Atlantic ocean...
Did the Cub pitchers get a different strike zone?
Folks, we lost. Cardinals played better and beat the Cubs.
Stop whining like little babies that it was somehow unfair.
Hopefully the team will not be like some of its fans and will address what it can to change the outcome in game 2 instead of blaming it on something outside of their control like an umpire.
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Ugh. No Schwarber, no Baez.
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Rosenthal well rested, will rest again tomorrow, can easily pitch again today. Plus, it was 1-0 when the Cubs made the 3rd out in the 8th. So, Rosenthal was already warming up to pitch the 9th with Piscotty hit the 2-run shot.
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Hopefully Starlin's ground balls will find a hole.
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That makes sense, craig. Still, it might diminish his effectiveness if he's used today.
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Did the Cub pitchers get a different strike zone?
Folks, we lost. Cardinals played better and beat the Cubs.
Stop whining like little babies that it was somehow unfair.
Hopefully the team will not be like some of its fans and will address what it can to change the outcome in game 2 instead of blaming it on something outside of their control like an umpire.
I hate to admit I even read one of his posts but I must admit it's his best that I can ever remember.
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Okay, here we go. Don't have a great feeling about this one...but then I felt really good about yesterday's game.
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I am just the opposite. I was much more concerned about yesterday's game than I am about todays.
Still about 50 - 50, but I think it is tilted a little towards the Cubs today.
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Looking at Garcia's stats, he has been much worse the third time through the order/past pitch #75. Cubs really need to inflate the pitch count.
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Fowler doesn't make him work hard...second pitch grounder. 1 out.
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Two pitches from the leadoff hitter and a very easy out is not a good way to inflate the pitch count.
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Soler double!
Bryant and Rizzo need to start doing something right here.
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No hitter gone
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Bryant is just terrible right now. Bad time for him to go into a deep slump.
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Freaking Bryant.
Up to Rizzo now.
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Bryant needs to be dropped from the 3 spot.
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Yuck...
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Hanging breaking ball on 1-1, and all Rizzo can do is foul it off. Then he Ks. Bryant and Rizzo...ugh.
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Epic fail for far from the 3-4 hitters.
Going home really early if that continues.
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Rizzo and Bryant are killing us right now. They can't do anything but strike out.
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Well crap, Rizzo and Bryant are just garbage right now.
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Even if we lost tonight, I'm over confident with Arrieta. We may have to win three straight, but I believe we can do it.
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Eckersley talking about the effect of the ball coming from the sun into the shadows in making it hard for batters to pick up and follow the ball. We'll see whether it works that way for both teams. Hoping Hendricks is at the top of his game today.
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Curt, they lose this it's done for.
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I keep forgetting that Hendricks is 25, same age as Castro and a year younger than Rizzo.
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Soler didn't have any problem picking up the ball when he got a pitch to hit.
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Rizzo, wtf man?
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Carpenter didn't have any trouble picking up the ball when he got a pitch to hit.
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That may be it.
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Game, series, season.
Well, it's been a fun year.
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That was a meatball. Good grief. You have a 1-2 count and you throw that?
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Hendricks got up 0-2 in that AB too. Not a good sign.
Cubs are going to be playing as tight as 2008 now. This is going to be very difficult to win this game.
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Maybe it's better the Cubs don't make the playoffs.
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Guy throws salad up there. Hope the over 6.5 runs hits.
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Holliday flew out to the track. Maddon hopefully has a very quick hook today.
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Rizzo kicks a ball, but luckily it bounces right to Castro and Hendricks covers first (while Rizzo just stands there confused).
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Really nice, heads up play by Castro.
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Rizzo and Bryant still hungover?
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The boys just need to settle down.
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Wong throws a ball way over first base. We'd be panicking if that were us.
And now Jackson steals third!
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Nice steal by Jackson.
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Castro single. Jackson grounds to SS, out at second, ball thrown into the dugout, Jackson to second.
Jackson steals third. 2-1 to Montero, need to get him home. 3-1 now.
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This is where it sucks having the pitcher hitting 8th.
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Batting the pitcher 8th may backfire here.
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Montero walks.
And now Hendricks is up. Hooray for the non-DH!
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Batting the pitcher 8th may backfire here.
Or maybe not.
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YES!
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THE CUBS HAVE SCORED
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Well, didn't the Card defense there look quite.... Cub-like.
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Jbn, what did the Red Sox do when they were down 3-0 to the Yankees?
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Bunt to the mound and everything goes the Cubs' way!
Tie game, and now the runners are at second and third.
Reverse the uniforms on that play and we would be in a full-blown panic.
All set up by the great Jackson steal.
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Thank you!!
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The Cubs aren't the Red Sox.
The Cubs are the Cubs. Nothing more, nothing less. :)
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Jbn, what did the Red Sox do when they were down 3-0 to the Yankees?
Gave up and went home?
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Love it. Love it.
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Cubs squeeze again.
2-1.
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The second trade deadline was so much better than the first one for the Cubs.
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Woo Ho!!
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Hendricks scores on an infield single from Fowler!
We don't even need to get the ball out of the infield!
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Infield hit for Fowler, 3-1.
Come on, Soler...hit one about 600 feet.
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3-1 Cubs
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Cubs have 3 runs and the ball hasn't left the infield.
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This is fun.
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Hopefully that relaxes these guys a bit.
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After the first inning, when Jeff pronounced the series over, I was sad I would not be able to go to the Monday game in Wrigley Field. But maybe I will get to go after all. ;)
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Infield hit for Fowler, 3-1.
Come on, Soler...hit one about 600 feet.
Sorry, BR... only about 410.
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SOLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My dude, SOLER!! Woo!!!
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Ball has left the infield.
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5-1 Cubs!
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Over has to be a cinch now
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SOLER!!!!
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Bryant makes contact.
5-1 bottom of the 2nd.
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How did Maddon know that Hawkins and Soler would be keys to this game? The guy can be scary sometimes.
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OK, this is a HUGE half inning. Hendricks needs that shutdown inning.
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Let's score about 10 more, the Cards are like a bad penny, they keep showing up.
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RUSSELL! Nice play.
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After the first inning, when Jeff pronounced the series over, I was sad I would not be able to go to the Monday game in Wrigley Field. But maybe I will get to go after all. ;)
Huh? Jeff's strategy worked.
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Beautiful dive from Russell and a fantastic pick by Rizzo.
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The Cubs aren't the Red Sox.
The Cubs are the Cubs. Nothing more, nothing less. :)
And some Cub fans deserve having their team lose.
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Russell great reaction and catch. As Eckersley said, "it doesn't get any better than that."
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Wow!
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Lance Lynn warming in the pen. As much as I'd love to see the Cardinals go deep in their pen, I was really looking forward to have Wacha and Lynn start games 3 and 4. Hopefully Hendricks avoids the pitcher's spot this inning and Matheny re-thinks that strategy.
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Wonder who would start game 4 for them then?
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Molina hits one deep but it stays in the park for Soler to grab.
The Cards look miserable. Don't let up, Cubs!
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Important shut-down inning by Hendricks and the Cubs (thank you, Addison).
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Seems like the only options are Villanueva or Lackey on short rest.
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And on that great Russell play, Rizzo made a very good dig to save it going for naught. Rizzo may not be contributing offensively, but having his extremely reliable glove at 1B is worth a whole lot.
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That play by Russell was huge leading off the inning. Hopefully Hendricks can settle down and get the game into the sixth.
Got to assume no lead is safe. Keep piling on.
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Lance Lynn in.
I thought he was going to pitch game 4.
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Leadoff walk to the guy who isn't hitting anything right now.
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Matheny does not want to lose this game then face Arrieta on Monday. Excellent job getting Garcia out of the game already.
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Rizzo finds 1st base.
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Lynn is off to a great start: six consecutive balls.
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Keep taking pitches and wearing out their pitchers. Let them really start worrying about who will be available in future games.
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That Russell play was phenomenal!
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Castro single! First and third, nobody out.
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Castro!!
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Hit and run on, and Rizzo makes it to third while Castro reaches first.
Another big chance here. Pile on, Cubs.
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I really like this team. Rizzo walks, and Castro with a sweet line drive to RF with Rizzo already breaking toward second. First and third, with nobody out.
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Gotta get this run in
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Cardinals still have the bullpen going.
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It's Carlos Villanueva in the pen now.
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Jackson strikes out swinging, but at least in this game the strike zone is back to normal.
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Jackson K's.
That's what they didn't need.
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Come on, just get the sac fly.
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Shorten your swing!
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Come on, Miggy. Pick us up!
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6-1 Cubs.
2 down.
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Whew!
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They just announced that the Cub hitters had the second fewest DPs in the majors this season. Didn't know that.
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HERR-gay suh-LAHR
This is how drunk Mike Shannon pronounces our RFer's name.
Glad to be home!
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Was anyone else shocked by the statistic that the Cubs only grounded into 101 double plays all year? It felt like Castro did that all by himself
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It is probably because of how many times they strikeout.
Castro is 2-2. Big credit to him for getting things started last inning and that last single. Single up the middle then single to right. I was thinking that LaStella should start this game but I'm so glad Joe stuck with Castro.
Come on Kyle.
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Joe is pushing all the right buttons today.
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Lynn out, so he'll probably still be available for game 4.
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Hendricks dealing now.
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By the way, impressive that Hendricks wasn't rattled by giving up a HR to the first batter he faced in the post-season. He's made some really good pitches today.
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Carpenter throws his bat into the stands. It hit a fan in the hand. She gave the bat back to Carpenter.
Really nice inning for Hendricks. Hopefully he can shut them down for another 4 innings or so.
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Can you imagine how we'd be feeling if the roles were reversed? Lead off homer, followed by a total implosion and now a five run deficit. Getting shut down by a rookie no name pitcher. The ace looming in the next game... As a Cubs fan, of course I am still terrified. But Cardinals nation has to be panicking at the moment
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Bryant with another groundout. Cubs still 0 for the postseason in the 3 & 4 spots in the lineup.
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I'm hoping getting to face pitchers like Villanueva during the rest of this game will help get Bryant and Rizzo going
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Six runs scored today by Cubs (so far) matches total runs scored by Cubs in Dodgers series in 2008.
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What a difference in the quality of umpiring last night to today.
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Why is Travis Wood warming up?
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Six runs total by Cubs in 2007 too.
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Yeah, Wood warming up is strange. He didn't look great in the first inning, but Hendricks has been really good since then. Strange that they'd get the pen up after a little ground ball single.
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We go the 5th.
6-1 us.
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I get the short leash with Kyle, but he looks pretty solid right now. I'd let him have just a bit of slack.
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Fantastic work by Hendricks. Come on Rizzo. Time to get your first postseason hit. Let's add another run or two here.
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So far Hendricks is pitching a big-time game. Only 2 hits, 0 walks, with 5 strikeouts in 4 IP. One mistake to Carpenter or he'd be pitching a shutout. And only 54 pitches.
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Hendricks has really been striking out a lot of batters lately. He also K'd 8.35 per 9 IP this season. If he continues to miss bats like that, he's better than the back-end starter we were expecting him to develop into.
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Rizzo flies out weakly. Swung at two, maybe three obvious balls that AB. Ugly.
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Bib Nightengale being disrespectful to Cardinals fans.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BNightengale/status/652982561329795072
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Hendricks is really settling in.
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And now Wong hits a homer. 6-2.
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Far from over.
Cubs bats need to get going.
Cardinals rookies are better. 6-3.
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I guess we can see now why Joe had the bullpen up
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Hendricks is done for.
Wow.
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Come on Wood. Get the 3rd out and get the bats up again.
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Those were meatballs.
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Squeezing him.
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Carpenter tosses his bat away before hearing the umpire say strike two. And now Wood gets the third strike.
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Top of the 6th.
Cardinals back in it though, so is the crowd.
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Need to get at least one back here to quiet the crowd.
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Need to make CV work.
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Really big K for Wood. Hope he's on today and get the Cubs through three or more innings without giving up any runs.
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Jayson Stark @jaysonst 6m6 minutes ago
Rarity alert! Every day a Cardinals rookie hits a HR. But no RH hitter had homered off Kyle Hendricks since June 24. That was 19 starts ago.
Had not realized that either.
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Cubs are in operation shutdown mode
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Cardinals bullpen has been great.
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Man, this is serious nervous time now.
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Thank you, Travis
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Big out there. Come on Travis.
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9 outs to go.
6 outs to get to Rondon.
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Wood looked there.
Come on offense.
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Leave him in, Joe. Don't overmanage the pen today. Too many scary options out there
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I agree. Unless Wood's spot comes up with multiple runners on base, he should go out there for another inning.
Next inning is key because once they're in the 8th, they're close enough to the end to potentially go to Rondon for 4-5 outs if necessary.
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Leave him in, Joe. Don't overmanage the pen today. Too many scary options out there
I'm with you on this - I think I'd stay with Wood for the moment.
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Figure that Wood will go one more with the pen up. If everything works out, Cahill in the 8th and Rondon in the 9th?
Fowler! Come on Jorge!!!
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Nice hustle double by Fowler. Get him in, Soler.
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Fowler bloop double.
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Looked like Heyward should have caught Fowler's floater, but he didn't and Fowler hustled to second base. No outs.
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Soler walks.
It's time Bryant.
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Soler should've earned himself a spot in the lineup on Monday with this game.
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Bryant is awful. He has to be out of the third spot on Monday.
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Ugh. But do love seeing the Cards continue to look tight
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Bryant stinks. For god's sakes.
1st and 3rd, 1 down. Time for Rizzo to get a run back.
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Dodged a huge bullet there. Should've been two.
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Wainwright coming in.
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Something is clearly wrong with him - hope he/they figure it out and fix it soon. If Bryant gets back on track, it would be a really big deal. He could carry the Cubs. Same with Rizzo.
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Squeeze?
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2 down.
Oh hum.
Might be 3 outs.
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Rizzo hits a ball hard, but right at Carpenter.
I don't see how they can overturn this one.
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No evidence to overturn it.
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Tie goes to the runner...
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Maybe Castro will do something.
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Safe. Go Starlin.
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Sucks that it wasn't a hit, but at least Rizzo finally had an AB where he didn't hit the ball weakly somewhere.
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Cardinals defense saves runs.
Unreal.
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Runner on third with one out and two smashes result in zilch.
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Castro robbed of a hit and RBI by Wong. Hit it on the button.
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Castro smoked that ball.
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Can't believe that Wong came up with that. Pure luck.
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Good play by Wong to end the inning. Gotta hold them here.
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Geez. At least Rizzo and Castro both hit it hard. Bryant is killing us right now. Even a walk or two could have helped us bust this open
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Game of inches.
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That was a great play by Wong.
Jeez, who's your 8th inning guy? Rodney? Grimm? Cahill? Surely not Strop. Maybe it's Rondon going for five outs.
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Wood still in there, but I bet he's out if anyone gets on base.
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Not sure if I would have taken out Soler just yet.
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Rizzo didn't hit it hard, imo. Sawed off.
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I think they go to Cahill. You can't use Grimm. He is too wild.
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I think they go to Cahill. You can't use Grimm. He is too wild.
Wouldn't be at all surprised if it's Rodney, scary as that sounds. He has been good.
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Talking about inches...
Whew. 2 down.
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If it's still a 3 run lead so there's a little bit of a margin for error, I wouldn't be surprised to see Maddon go to Strop--try to build his confidence back up in case they really need him in a key situation later in the series.
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Cards own Strop. Grimm or Rodney
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Molina 2-out single.
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No way Strop sees this game. Zero. Maybe if it goes 15 innings. I'd use Cahill if anyone.
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If it's still a 3 run lead so there's a little bit of a margin for error, I wouldn't be surprised to see Maddon go to Strop--try to build his confidence back up in case they really need him in a key situation later in the series.
Build confidence? Here?? Eff that.
Wood seems to be on fumes now. One more batter, either way.
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There have been times tonight when I haven't been able to hear the announcers over the crowd. So I guess in that way, TBS's poor broadcast has paid off for us.
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Fowler had me worried there for a moment.
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Folwer! Whew. 3 down.
They were hitting Wood hard that inning. (pardon the puns)
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Whew! Really nice job by Wood.
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Cahill is warming, so I guess he's the 8th inning guy.
I bet Rondon is up as soon as the bottom of the 8th starts, though.
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Strike zone for Wainwright has been getting generous.
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That was a horrible inning.
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Cubs go weakly.
Wainwright humiliates them.
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Three ugly strikeouts.
I know the odds are vastly in the Cubs' favor, but this is still a nail biter.
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Here we go. These last 6 outs are going to be tough. Hope Cahill has that sink going and Rondon isn't wild.
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1 pitch, 1 out.
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K! Two down.
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Piscotty K!
CAHILL!
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Cahill looked phenomenal there. Leave him in!
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CAHILL!!! That was great.
Also nice to see the expanded strike zone didn't just apply to Wainwright.
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Wow. Great inning for Cahill.
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Cahill! He's looked fantastic for a while with the Cubs. Seriously, he was so good with Oakland. Use him in the 8th instead of Strop. I'm so tempted to just leave him in. If we can just get a run here so it's not a save situation...
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I agree.
Cahill's got another inning in him.
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I think they go to Cahill. You can't use Grimm. He is too wild.
Nice call, Boriqua!!
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I agree.
Cahill's got another inning in him.
And tomorrow is an off day.
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Thanks blue! 3 more outs!!!
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Just read on Twitter that Rondon and Richard sat down, so it may be Cahill's game.
They have to have Rondon up and ready once the inning starts, right?
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This Cardinals defense has been great since the 2nd inning.
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Rondon the minute Cahill allows a baaerunner works for me.
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Broxton blows away the Cubs away. Good grief.
Rondon coming in.
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Rondon it is.
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Let Cahill try to close it out.
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Rondon coming in. Can't criticize - it would have taken serious sack to stay with Cahill. But boy... He sure did look good, and Rondon hasn't pitched in almost a week.
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Just have to hope Rondon doesn't come in wild. Fingers and everything else crossed. Get Holliday here and I'll be able to breathe in some semblance of rhythm again.
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Guessing Joe doesn't want Rondon inactive for too long.
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Yeah...if this was going to be the 8th and Cahill had been pulled for any other reliever, then I wouldn't be a fan of the move. But Rondon has been great this year, so I think going to him is a move Maddon has to make.
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Rondon pumping out at 98 apparently.
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Holiday rolls to 3rd.
1 down.
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Agreed. Not going to him here would have been a really unorthodox move, even for Maddon
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Heyward base hit.
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Damn. How did that get through? Wasn't even hard hit
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You knew it couldn't be one two three.
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Wow.
That should have been 2.
Bryant fell down. 2 down though.
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The cubs fans are loud!
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1-2 on Reynolds...
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Winner!!
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CUBS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes!!!!
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WOW!
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YEAH!
Arrieta will probably have a bad game again someday. It may be Monday. But really, he has to be in the Cardinals' heads now.
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Breathe...
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Wood, Cahill and Rondon were really, really good. Heck Hendricks was very good except for the three HRs.
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Got the split! Come on Mr. Arrieta! Hopefully we get to Wacha again. Soler has to be in that lineup the rest of the way.
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Hoping that Arrieta waits a while (at least until after Monday, preferably until sometime next season) before he reminds everyone that he's human.
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Rizzo and Bryant need to come correct
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Off topic: How did TBS end up with Pedro Martinez? I don't know if I've seen anyone else on a TBS broadcast that is any good at all...but Pedro is great.
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I could watch all day the replay of Garcia fielding the bunt, turning to look at Molina (who was presumably screaming at him to throw home), and throw the ball into right field.
Pedro won't be on TBS for long. He's too good.
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Cardinals are starting to look really desperate right now!
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I just got to watch highlights of the second inning. Nice job of playing small ball then large ball. And that play by Russell was awesome.
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Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs 16m16 minutes ago
Maddon gave credit to Manny Ramirez for staying in Jorge Soler's ear, keeping him ready. Along w his work w hitting coaches
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Sorry if this was posted already but it was reported that Matheny regarded today's game as must win because he'll get Arrieta and Lester in games 3 & 5.
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Let's finish it at Wrigley!!!
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Sorry if this was posted already but it was reported that Matheny regarded today's game as must win because he'll get Arrieta and Lester in games 3 & 5.
If Matheny is already assuming that there will be a Game 5, that's a good sign.
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Let's hope we win the next two and there is no game 5!
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What a year.
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Have won two out of three playoff games with negative offense from Bryant and Rizzo. Let's see what happens when they get going.
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Two of three on the road. Not bad at all. Win the next 2 at Wrigley and we move on. :)
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Soler won his starting RF job back for me tonight. He now has 3 walks, a double, and a HR in the series. I hope we see Soler in RF and Schwarber in LF the next two games. Sorry Coghlan. Stay ready in case we need a pinch hitter.
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I agree. It seems that at least for now, his MLB strikeout problems, which he did not have in the minors, are behind him.
Sample size. Sample size. Sample size!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry if this was posted already but it was reported that Matheny regarded today's game as must win because he'll get Arrieta and Lester in games 3 & 5.
You sure that isn't fan speculation? The Cardinals are 5-1 in games started by Lester this year.
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Nope. It was on MLB. I think you throw away those stats. Neiter Lester not the Cubs are the same. Lester held them to one run last night.
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They scored 9 ER runs off of him in the regular season, 7 came in 2 starts. Including 3 where the Cubs likely rushed him to start the year.
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And yet they won five of six.
Either way, every game is pretty much a must win for one team or another. Certainly, game three basically is for the Cubs.
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Game 3 is a must win for the Cubs, that is true.
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And Garrit Cole was 7-1 against us. At this point you throw that **** out the window. Arrieta could pull a Kershaw on Monday., too.
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And Garrit Cole was 7-1 against us. At this point you throw that **** out the window. Arrieta could pull a Kershaw on Monday., too.
Yep. No predicting what is going to happen. It's baseball.
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I'm saying it doesn't go back to St. Louis, but that means nothing.
Lynn 0-4 8.40 ERA
Wacha 2-2 6.85 ERA
If we want to throw out meaningless numbers.
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If we win Monday, I wouldn't be shocked if the Cardinals didn't throw Lackey on Tuesday.
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get Kris and Rizzo going
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Lackey has only thrown on 3 days rest twice in his career. Those 2 starts totaled 9.1 innings and a 4.85 ERA. He was also 26 the last time he did it. I remember things hurting a lot less when I was 26.
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Lackey has only thrown on 3 days rest twice in his career. Those 2 starts totaled 9.1 innings and a 4.85 ERA. He was also 26 the last time he did it. I remember things hurting a lot less when I was 26.
Desperation can create odd situations.
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If we want to throw out meaningless numbers.
The numbers aren't meaningless in relation to the original point which is that the Cardinals "had" to win game two. In reality, nobody "has" to win until they're down two losses. But why would the Cardinals fear facing Lester in St. Louis when they've won 83% of the time they faced him this year? He pitched well in most of those games, but the Cardinals still found a way to win nearly all them.
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I wouldn't be at all upset if they throw Lackey on short rest in Game 4. I like our chances against him under those conditions, and it leaves us with a better matchup in Game 5 if it gets there. (Garcia again? Lynn?)
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Have won two out of three playoff games with negative offense from Bryant and Rizzo. Let's see what happens when they get going.
Let's hope that we see them get going.
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Wood, Cahill and Rondon were really, really good. Heck Hendricks was very good except for the three HRs.
"Yes, but other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"
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Post-game comments.
http://m.mlb.com/chc/video/topic/94784444/v521565483/chcstl-gm2-cubs-discuss-big-win-over-cards
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Thanks a million, fellas (and Dihard). Gave me the goose bumps reading your posts. I believe Arrieta is too locked in to have a let down. No hit batsmen though, enough of that.
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Still can't over that second inning. Small ball and big ball--in same inning. Two bunts, infield single, SB. Home Run. Don't think I've ever seen an inning quite like that. Two consecutive safety squeezes? Both successful? One even leads to an error? All set up by Jackson's steal of 3B, otherwise nobody for Hendricks to bunt in.
On the Hendricks bunt, one could say that Garcia actually made TWO mental errors on same play, PLUS a physical error. Mental error #1--not immediately throwing to home to get Jackson, likely successfully, and instead turning toward 1B. Molina is going crazy yelling for Garcia to come home. Mental error#2-Garcia belatedly gets what Molina is screaming and turns toward home AND gets himself off-balance when he decides to go to 1B (decides to go to 1B for the second time). Because he's off-balance, bad throw to 1B. Physical error. And, of course, Jackson wouldn't have been at 2B at all (and in position to steal 3B) but for Wong's throwing error on the grounder. Amazing. Five unearned runs. One of those innings that folks can honestly say: been watching baseball for {fill in the blank} decades and never seen an inning like that.
And, happens in crucial post-season game---against Cardinals no less. Did I say amazing?
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Maddon address our very own Today's Game topic!! See linked video starting at about 1:54:
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/cubs-why-joe-maddon-sat-kyle-schwarber-game-2-vs-cardinals
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If you have been watching baseball for decades and have never seen an inning like that, it is because you haven't been watching Cubs baseball. They have many innings a year like that. Unfortunately, on the wrong side.
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Way to bring home the win, friends. Good job.
Not often you win when out-homered 3-1. Excellent relief work.
Great day for Soler. His double was also a rocket. I'm glad Maddon rostered him over another reliever or Quentin Berry. :)
Really happy to see Rondon get into a big game like this, and pitch excellent.
I'm glad the relief got the job done. Interesting that after a full season in which Grimm-Strop have been the 7th-8th inning guys for most of the year, that now a mid-season street FA has bypassed both. I feel a little bit bad for both of them; but given how prone-to-wildness both are, I totally agree with Maddon's decision.
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Maddon address our very own Today's Game topic!! See linked video starting at about 1:54:
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/cubs-why-joe-maddon-sat-kyle-schwarber-game-2-vs-cardinals
Interesting that Anthony Rizzo refers to Soler as "George".
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If you have been watching baseball for decades and have never seen an inning like that, it is because you haven't been watching Cubs baseball. They have many innings a year like that. Unfortunately, on the wrong side.
Yeah, right, you've seen an inning with consecutive successful safety squeeze plays combined with all the other weirdness of that inning. Baloney you have.
I'm talking specifics. You're talking glittering generalities.
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Yeah, right, you've seen an inning with consecutive successful safety squeeze plays combined with all the other weirdness of that inning. Baloney you have.
I'm talking specifics. You're talking glittering generalities.
If I actually HAD seen all that, you would still say that it was different because the names of the players was different.
The point was that we have seen the Cubs have a great many innings as unusual and incompetent as the Cardinals were in that inning. The difference was that we were on the receiving rather the giving end.
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Yeah, right, you've seen an inning with consecutive successful safety squeeze plays combined with all the other weirdness of that inning. Baloney you have.
I'm talking specifics. You're talking glittering generalities.
"glittering"?
There was "glitter" in davep's post?
I don't know about every game davep has seen, but I have certainly seen other examples of defensive clown-car play, and of consecutive successful squeeze plays, even if at the moment I can't recall either the dates or the Cub opponents. Was it unusual? Sure. Unusual, however, is not the same thing as never having been seen before.
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A first look at the forecast for game 3 on Monday shows warm and sunny but with a very strong wind blowing out to right.
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Mostly sunny, with a high near 74. Breezy, with a west wind 15 to 20 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph.
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If I actually HAD seen all that, you would still say that it was different because the names of the players was different.
The point was that we have seen the Cubs have a great many innings as unusual and incompetent as the Cardinals were in that inning. The difference was that we were on the receiving rather the giving end.
No. One of the great things about baseball is that once or twice every season I see something that I've never seen before, ever. Consecutive successful safety squeezes is one of those. And, on top of that, the small ball combined with big ball to this degree in one inning. But, mostly the small ball here.
Too bad for you that you just lump the specifics that are special into some kind of generic incompetent/bad innings. You are missing one of the beauties of the game if you're not capable of appreciating the specifics of what happened.
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Im a huge believer in small ball.
Always have been.
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Mostly sunny, with a high near 74. Breezy, with a west wind 15 to 20 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph.
Good day to have a pitcher that strikes out people and has a high ground ball pitching. Not a good day to pitch if you don't do those things.
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Good to see you here, dogstoothe! Fun time to be a Cubs fan!
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Im a huge believer in small ball.
Always have been.
It's always good to believe in what you've got.
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First time in post-season history a team has scored on sacrifice bunts twice in same inning, according to Elias.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/110322/bunts-highlight-odd-and-productive-inning-for-cubs
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Game three Monday is 6:00 pm Eastern.
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And Game 4 set for 3:37 central, right? Since other NLDS guaranteed to go 4?
Btw, surprised cubs-cards isn't the primetime game. Maybe a Wrigley/day baseball thing?
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NY and LA are the two biggest markets.
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NY and LA are the two biggest markets.
That's true, but I think this was scheduled a long time ago. We're the WC team; I think we are the low seed. Even if that's not true, I think it was scheduled for the two division winners going head to head to play at these times.
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Game three Monday is 6:00 pm Eastern.
Actually, 6:07 Eastern, according to the email I got from the Cubs. Tuesday's game will be 4:37 Eastern.
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Actually, 6:07 Eastern, according to the email I got from the Cubs. Tuesday's game will be 4:37 Eastern.
Yeah, but leave yourself an extra 7 minutes, just in case.
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Where are you sitting, Ron? I'll be there tonight with my dad - section 533. Hope what they say about the house having no bad seats is really true, cuz these are waaay up there! But tonight especially, I think the adage will hold up!
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Also, this is old now (post-WC game), but I hadn't watched it yet. Nice way to start the day: http://m.mlb.com/video/v520844783/cubs-wild-card-game-sights-and-sounds/?partnerId=ed-9811879-841157843
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Where are you sitting, Ron? I'll be there tonight with my dad - section 533. Hope what they say about the house having no bad seats is really true, cuz these are waaay up there! But tonight especially, I think the adage will hold up!
I'm in the Bleachers, section 305. You should be in good shape in that section. Being up high isn't bad at all in Wrigley Field - gives you a nice view of the entire field. The only bad seats are those obstructed by a pole, or maybe those in the back of the Terrace (I believe) where the deck above narrows the vertical view so that you can't see the Jumbotron.
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If people still need tickets, I keep getting emails from Brixen Ivy that they still have room available. Expensive, but free food.
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How to Watch Cardinals vs. Cubs NLDS Game 3 Live Stream Online for Free
http://heavy.com/sports/2015/10/watch-cubs-vs-cardinals-live-stream-online-mobile-nlds-game-3-2015-mlb-tv-sling-tv-tbs-jake-arrieta/
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Lineup:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRIcurhUEAAr_Z_.jpg)
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4 rookies hitting 2-3-6-7 for game 3 of the NLDS. I can't imagine that has ever happened before.
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Arrieta in the 9 hole.
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I like that lineup a lot. I'm kinda surprised Soler over Coghlan, but Soler has been pretty hot of late.
Dusty, Arrieta and Lester are going to hit in the 9 hole. Everyother starter is going to be in the 8 hole the rest of the way.
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Soler 2 for 5 off Wacha (with a homer), Coghlan 1 for 8. I know--small sample size. Plus, Soler is the hot hand and Coghlan is not.
Castro and Rizzo both 10 for 22 off Wacha (.455) with two homers each. Bryant .300.
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That is pretty incredible.
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Maddon just said Hammel will start game 4.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Hammel is on a very short leash, especially if Arrieta goes deep into the game today.
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"It's always good to believe in what you've got."
REALLY???
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Talk in Twitter is that there is a surprise person throwing out the first pitch and singing the 7th inning stretch.
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Jim Hendry?
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Milton Bradley?
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Ian Stewatt?
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Well, Hendry was just seen hugging Theo at Wrigley:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRJK9tZWsAATGqr.jpg:medium)
It has to be a former player. I can't imagine they would bring Sammy out for this so Billy Williams, Kerry Wood or Ryne Sandberg? Not sure who else it could be.
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Carlos Zambrano!
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Ed Lynch?
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Bill Murray?
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Tyler Houston
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I bet it's Tyler Houston.
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Truthfully I bet Ryno.
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Ben Christensen
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Kerry Wood
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Davep
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Hillary Clinton or is she a Yankee fan. I get confused.
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Jim Edmonds.
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Steve Bartman!!!
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No matter who it is it will now be a disappointment
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Gary Scott!
Kevin Orie!
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Dodgers announced that Kershaw will go for them in game 4 on 3 days rest. There is a small part of me that wishes the Cubs would do that with Lester and get 5 innings from him instead of Hammel. But then you're stuck with Hendricks going game 5.
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It has to be the guy on the left
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRJHV7yUcAACqqV.jpg)
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The mayor of that hick town down South?
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I guarantee nobody on this board is a mayor of any town.
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I just googled it and I guess Im wrong...
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There’s a reason the Cubs have yet to reveal who will throw out the ceremonial first pitch or sing the seventh-inning stretch at Monday’s game against the Cardinals at Wrigley Field: It’s a surprise.
The Cubs typically announce who will do the honors days before a homestand, but Cubs spokesman Kevin Saghy said the team will be keeping mum in this case.
Maybe the Cubs have something special planned? Or maybe the team has someone tentatively penciled in and didn’t want to make an announcement without 100 percent confirmation. There likely is a long list of celebs who would volunteer for the job considering the team’s famous fanbase, not to mention it’s the Cubs’ first playoff game at the Friendly Confines since 2008.
Saghy said the team expects several celebs at Monday’s game, including Eddie Vedder, John and Joan Cusack, WWE Champ-turned-MMA fighter CM Punk, Smashing Pumpkins rocker Billy Corgan, Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville, Jim Belushi, ESPN college basketball personality Digger Phelps and former Cubs Kerry Wood, Ryne Sandberg and Ryan Dempster.
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TBS will probably not show the first pitch and may not even mention who threw it.
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Jack White?
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Dutchie Caray is a possibility.
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Davep
I turned it down. They wouldn't charter a plane to bring me to Chicago. All they offered was first class tickets and a helicopter ride to Wrigley.
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The President? Security might want that hush hush. Nah. Not only is he a Sox fan ...well I was going to say he can't sing but he can.
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On the TBS pregame show Gary Sheffield just said regarding Chase Utley's slide "you cant turn your back on a dog, especially a white dog".
I wonder how long it would take Chase Utley to get fired if the roles where reversed?
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Cubs vs Wacha
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Would have been nice if Ernie had made it long enough to do the job. But then I would have wanted him to be held until the first World Series game in Wrigley.
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On the TBS pregame show Gary Sheffield just said regarding Chase Utley's slide "you cant turn your back on a dog, especially a white dog".
I wonder how long it would take Chase Utley to get fired if the roles where reversed?
are you serious?
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As a heart attack Curt.
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I wish they would show the introductions.
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Ryno threw out the first pitch wearing an Ernie Banks jersey. Of course TBS doesn't show that. Ugh.
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7th inning stretch singer is still apparently mystery. I could see Eddie Vedder doing that.
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I hope it's just Harry on the big board.
Screw the rest.
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It's on TBS They won't show it anyway.
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How does the guy in Marlins gear get tickets to all these games? Is he that wealthy that he can just go on StubHub and buy tickets right behind home plate whenever he wants them?
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1-2-3 for Jake on 12 pitches.
2 K's.
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Arrieta did his job, now let's see the Cubs jump on Wacha for about 5 runs.
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Soler walks.
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On the TBS pregame show Gary Sheffield just said regarding Chase Utley's slide "you cant turn your back on a dog, especially a white dog".
I wonder how long it would take Chase Utley to get fired if the roles where reversed?
His seat would have been empty when they came back from the next commercial break.... and SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
Did Sheffield really say that? Did no one else respond to it?
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Time for Bryant to do something productive.
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Base hit for Bryant.
Come on Rizzo.
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I mean... Let it hit you Anthony :/
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Ugh.
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Way to go Soler.
That ends that.
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I'm going to count the number of times we have the white screen problem tonight. Through 1 inning, it has happened twice.
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His seat would have been empty when they came back from the next commercial break.... and SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
Did Sheffield really say that? Did no one else respond to it?
It certainly sounded like "white dog". Of course, they have until tomorrow morning to think of something that sounds similar enough to create doubt.
Bite dog.
Wide dog.
My guess is Wild dog.
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Board is crappy again tonight
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Terrible by Kyle in left.
Good god.
Cardinals in business.
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Schwarber played that into a double, I think. If Jackson was out there, it would've easily been an out, at least. If Coghlan was out there, it might have still been an adventure.
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What is wrong with the word White Dog?
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Big out. Careful with Pham here.
Cards are laying off the sliders.
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Arrieta's command isn't quite there so far.
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0-2 on Molina.
Nice play by Castro to end the inning.
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SCHWARBOMB!
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SCHWARBER!!!
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Schwarmachine!!!
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Hopefully the Cubs can get enough runs to go to defensive replacements relatively early. Schwarber doesn't look good out there tonight, Jackson needs to be playing defense with the wind blowing as hard as it is.
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Nice shutdown inning there after the homer.
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Is the old Torco sign back up behind the RF video board? They just had an aerial shot that made it look like it was back there.
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Bryant misses another pitch right in the middle of the strike zone on 2-1, all he can do is foul it off.
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Bryant called out on a Cuzzi strike. Brutal.
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Robot umps, please.
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Looking K on a pitch that would have hit Rizzo.
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ML umpires...lol
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Molina was even set up behind the LH batter's box. That was embarrassing.
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https://twitter.com/CARDS_12_in_15/status/653705867037020160
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ML umpires...lol
Yep.
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Espn reports that umpires are miscalling 10% of all pitches in post season. It's not just the Cubs
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GD pitch framing!
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That was outside, but that TBS box is way off. That pitch is much closer than it looked on the TBS box. It's been that way all playoffs
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I have always been a Castro supporter, but I have to admit that with a man on third and two outs, an easy ground ball to him makes me hold my breath.
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That was outside, but that TBS box is way off. That pitch is much closer than it looked on the TBS box. It's been that way all playoffs
I'm not judging by TBS's strike zone. I'm judging by the fact that Molina was set up behind the LH batter's box and he caught it over the chalk line.
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That was outside, but that TBS box is way off. That pitch is much closer than it looked on the TBS box. It's been that way all playoffs
According to Cubs strike zone Twitter account it was 2.1 inches outside and called a strike 16% of the time.
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Arrieta gets ahead 0-2, then walks Piscotty. Ugh.
His command is really off. Montero out to talk to him after another ball that misses by a lot.
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Fowler and Soler both had balls called strikes in their at-bats too.
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Jake is way off tonight.
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Looks like Ankiel right now. Bosio out.
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This game is getting an uneasy feel to it.
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Not close on Holliday. Now Heyward, who is the only guy in this lineup who has ever hit Arrieta before tonight.
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Third pitch to Holliday was better than at least three strikes Wacha has gotten.
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Cubbies in trouble tonight.
I hate that feeling.
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Cardinals lead 2-1.
That first inning fail has come back t o haunt for now.
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Why does Arrieta have to have his first non-dominant start in 3 months against the Cardinals in the playoffs? Just the way it goes for the Cubs.
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Let's get some runs now.
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0-2 on Piscotty, walk
0-2 on Peralta, double
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Finally out of the inning, only down by 1.
Hopefully Rizzo can come up and homer right away to kill any Cardinals momentum.
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Why does Arrieta have to have his first non-dominant start in 3 months against the Cardinals in the playoffs? Just the way it goes for the Cubs.
You miss what they did to Kershaw the last two postseasons?
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Batters were 7-89 against Arrieta on 0-2 prior to tonight.
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You miss what they did to Kershaw the last two postseasons?
The Cardinals aren't doing anything to him. He's doing it to himself. It's clear he has the worst stuff and command he's had in months tonight.
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Casro!
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Starlin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
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Starlin with a big home run.
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What the heck is Rizzo looking for?
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Rizzo continues to be completely useless in the postseason, but at least Castro has started hitting.
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Yeah, they need to trade that guy.
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Uh oh, checking on Russell at third. He's pulled. Crap.
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Poop
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Baez in to replace Russell who hurt his finger sliding into third.
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Typical.
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Cardinals let off the hook because the NL insists on having pitchers hit.
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I bate that one of the things replay has brought us is infielders holding the ball on a slider because the camera may pick up a minute gap that the named eye can't
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Which finger on which hand?
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Come on Jake, need a shutdown inning here and let the top of the order to some damage. Fowler is due for a hit and Soler seems to be seeing the ball well.
Russell getting hurt sucks but it is nice having a guy like Baez on the bench to step in now. Hopefully Russell is not lost for the postseason but if they took him out, that doesn't look good. I hate the head first slide. Too many finger and shoulder injuries.
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Arrieta starting to take control of the game.
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Any word on Russell?
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There wasn't a clear injury on the slide when they showed the replay. Hopefully it's something small/precautionary.
Carpenter with a 2 out single, just a weak ground ball that found a hole.
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hamstring tightness for Russell.
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Depending on the severity, that's probably preferable to a hand injury.
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Ah better than broken bones
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Either one could end the season for him. Hopefully, it is just a precaution.
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Nice inning for Arrieta...3 Ks and a weak grounder that found a hole.
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Much better, Jake.
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Hand defiantly ends the season. If he's just cramping up he should be ok.
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There was no sign of any limp when he was coming off the field, and he was able to leg out the triple...at the very least, it wasn't so serious that he had to have help walking off the field.
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DaveP, at your age your lucky just to have a hamstring.
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What is Fowler doing?
That's three times he's had 3 balls on him then pops weakly to right.
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Soler singles.
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Soler has reached in all 8 of his PAs in this series.
Coincidentally, I've had the white screen problem 8 times since the game started.
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BRYANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BRYANT!!!!! 4-2!!!!!!!!
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Bryant from 3-0 to a bomb.
4-2 Cubs.
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BRYANT!!!!!
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Kris F'n Bryant
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Rookie of the year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RIZZO!!!!!!
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RIZZO!!!
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Hell yeah!!!!!
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Rizzo: Not Worthless.
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RIZZO!!!! Finally.
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I guess that's what he was looking for
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Rizzo ❤️
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What a play by Piscotty
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Schwarber, Castro, Bryant, Rizzo all have home runs tonight.
What the heck is wrong with that slacker Soler?
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Patience Dave
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Huge strike zone to Montero.
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Umpire bails the Cardinals out again.
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Another nice thing about this game is it is going to force the Cards to have another bullpen heavy game with either Lynn or Lackey on 3 days rest tomorrow.
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Montero swung at ball 3 in his eyes.
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Of course, if the umpire actually called the zone, Montero would've already walked.
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Here we go... Holliday leading off, with Heyward and Perralta. Just got a 3 run lead. Big inning here.
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Holliday with a smack to center.
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Yep, Kershaw part III.
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Arrieta just isn't good at all tonight. It's a testament to how talented he is that this isn't a blowout. If Hammel or Hendricks was as off as Arrieta is tonight, they wouldn't make it out of the second inning.
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5-4 game.
Far from over. Jake is way off tonight.
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Strop and Richard warming up.
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Good lord....don't bring in Strop
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This is likely to be Arrieta's last inning. The bullpen will need to be strong.
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Ideal time for Cahill's power sinker
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Strop should be shelved this series.
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It's always a close shave when he comes in.
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It's the walks not the hits killing Arrieta
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Uh... Arrieta is done.
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Molina pulled, so Jake hits Moss instead. He's being pulled.
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Arrieta done after hitting Moss with a pitch. Can't be great every time, but it sucks that this was the time he wasn't great.
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This is a mistake
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Leave it to tonight that he would be off somewhat.
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Pitcher leading off. Do they leave Richard in there? Our pen against their pen with the wind howling out. They also have Wainwright lurking. Need to add some runs here.
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You have to pinch hit for Richard here, I think.
I go to Cahill to start the 7th and hope he can go two innings.
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Coghlan lead off single. Back to the top of the order.
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I wish the Cubs would put about 5 runs up against Wainwright here. I'm sick of hearing how he's the greatest thing ever because he was able to get back from his injury earlier this year.
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SOLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES!!! FIRST PITCH OFF WAINWRIGHT!!!!!
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There you go Dave!
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Kershaw IV?
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Soler is awesome! Wainwright can stick it.
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About time Soler finally joined the others. Lazy b-----d.
Now I suppose that Russell will have some excuse not to hit a home run.
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Soler is unreal right now. 4-4, 2 HR's, 1 2B, 5 BB's in 9 PA's.
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Was the over/under eleven tonight?
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Soler is unreal right now. 4-4, 2 HR's, 1 2B, 5 BB's in 9 PA's.
Yeah he's been doing all right.
Saturday and tonight have been fun so far.
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As you can imagine, Soler is the only player ever to get on base 9 straight times to start his postseason career. Previous record was 5.
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Jorge :-*
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Soler, incredible!!!
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Coghlan stays in RF, Soler out. Don't know about that move.
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Game #4 will be at 3:30 CT tomorrow.
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This game is far from over with. You cannot take out the best hitter tonight.
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Just don't walk people
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I wonder if Cahill will re-sign with the Cubs this winter? And I wonder if the Cubs see him as a potential starter?
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Boy, I don't like taking Soler out one bit. 3 runs is nothing in this weather. One bad thing about using Cahill tonight is that he probably can't go tomorrow. That's 2 Ks!
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Carpenter looks like Willie Magee at bat.
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Biscotti is really annoying.
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Piscotti is too
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Don't walk Holliday. Danger is lurking on deck.
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I used to give my kids Pisgetti.
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Baez you idiot. You dumbass. How lazy can you be???????
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That was beyond Castro bad. Just brutal.
Now Cahill has to be pulled.
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I really hope they can bail Baez out here. It's important beyond the implications for this game.
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He had so much time on that. Get set and throw. Rookie mistake. Here we go... Heyward gets a hold of one here and I don't think we recover.
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What a lazy, sloppy error by Baez. And now Heyward is the tying run.
To me, he just doesn't look good as a shortstop as he does at 2B and 3B. He fields with more urgency at 3B, and that kind of laziness doesn't hurt you as bad at 2B.
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Walks and slop. Can't beat good tell with that crap
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That scared me off the bat, thought it was a run scoring double.
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Hayward hits it hard, but the Cubs get lucky.
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Whew!
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1 pitch 3 down.
Baez, rookie or not, very lazy. The same stuff we blasted Castro for.
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Wood does a nice job picking up Baez, though.
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So who sang the seventh inning stretch?
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Ernie Banks video.
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Whew! Baez avoids becoming the new Bartman.
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We're burning the pen though and it would be sweet to not go back to Saint Louis
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Well, the good news is that none of them have thrown a lot of pitches. Cahill, Wood, and Richard barely threw any pitches. They should all be available tomorrow. I wonder who will pitch the 8th though. If Strop comes in I'll need CPR to make it through the 8th.
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Would prefer signing Hayward and trading for Salazar or Ross I think.
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Would prefer signing Hayward and trading for Salazar or Ross I think.
Not Ross...he's too close to free agency now. Three pennant races was worth it, two pennant races is not.
But Heyward and Salazar? Yes, absolutely.
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Batted ball hits Castro, ugh. This has not been a well-played game.
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Ugh...more crap!!!
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Should be 1st and 3rd.
Blah.
Montero who has sucked so far needs to launch one.
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He sucks.
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Cubs are really trying to lose this game. Young players tend to make mistakes.
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Strop in to pitch the 8th. Hope Rondon is warming up for a 4-6 out save.
I'm up to 16 white screens on my side now. Don't know if everyone else is having the problem as frequently.
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Very frequent.
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Man, Maddon has some serious guts. I am so scared right now.
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I am having the white screen problem quite a bit. Maybe 4 or 5 times.
Strop makes me nervous.
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Good Strop for at least one batter.
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Strop Ks Peralta.
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Garcia pinch hits for the pitcher.
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Who's playing RF?
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There was a report earlier today that Matt Harvey has done a lot to p*ss off his team mates. Anyone know what they were talking about?
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Jackson in RF, Coghlan in LF.
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Jackson in RF, Coghlan in LF.
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Thanks.
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There was a report earlier today that Matt Harvey has done a lot to p*ss off his team mates. Anyone know what they were talking about?
Purple-impaired? In case you're not, there was the whole innings limit thing. Then he missed the mandatory team workout the day before the playoffs started.
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Dave, he said he was going to hit some Dodgers on purpose tonight for what Utley did.
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Two down on a sweet play by Rizzo.
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Nice play by Rizzo. Nice to see him starting to look like himself.
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and it did not make Collins very happy.
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I want 10 more runs
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STROP!
Okay, so Rondon in the 9th with a 3+ run lead. How about adding about 5 runs here so they can comfortably go with Rodney or Grimm?
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Tough part of the lineup for the Cards in the ninth. Imperative tHey get Wong out.
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When you say, "white screen", do you mean that apparently the website has gone down? Because that is happening to me today.
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When you say, "white screen", do you mean that apparently the website has gone down? Because that is happening to me today.
Yes
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It also happened the other day during the game.
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It's been happening all season, and it increases as traffic increases. So it's been really bad since the postseason started.
FOWLER!!!
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Most HRs ever in a playoff game with 6.
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Not Ross...he's too close to free agency now. Three pennant races was worth it, two pennant races is not.
But Heyward and Salazar? Yes, absolutely.
Hayward may get more than Price.
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Did I just hear that right? First time ever in the history of the Cubs that batters 1-6 have all HRd.
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Rondon in for the 9th.
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Did I just hear that right? First time ever in the history of the Cubs that batters 1-6 have all HRd.
I think that was first time ever in the postseason.
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I think the white screen happens when the cookie gets dropped.
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I think that was first time ever in the postseason.
Yes. And they are the first team to ever hit 6 homers in a postseason game.
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Purple-impaired? In case you're not, there was the whole innings limit thing. Then he missed the mandatory team workout the day before the playoffs started.
I certainly wasn't being sarcastic. I don't follow the Mets, and had no idea what they were talking about. For that matter, I had no idea that they were limiting Harvey's innings. wouldn't that be a management decision rather than Harvey's?
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And Russell missed number 7 by inches.
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Well, it is the first time ever with 6 HRs in the posteseason. I think TBS said it was the first time ever the Cubs first 6 batters HRd in the same game.
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I think that was first time ever in the postseason.
I think they said the first time in more than 20,000 games, although I really wasn't listening closely. Have the Cubs played 20,000 games?
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And Russell missed number 7 by inches.
which would have been one by each rookie
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Baez is brutal.
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Baez is tight
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I certainly wasn't being sarcastic. I don't follow the Mets, and had no idea what they were talking about. For that matter, I had no idea that they were limiting Harvey's innings. wouldn't that be a management decision rather than Harvey's?
It was a big controversy a few weeks ago...all I heard from national baseball writers/analysts for days (that's why I thought it might be purple--it was a really big story for days). Harvey and Boras apparently communicated to the Mets that he had a doctor-recommended innings limit (I think it was 180 IP). They told the Mets this when he was at 166 IP. But every major league source (and I think James Andrews himself) said that doctors never impose hard innings limits. So for a few days, there was talk about how much the Mets were frustrated with him and how he had let his fans down. Then Harvey and Boras softened their stance a few days later.
Once that finally cleared, Harvey "got stuck in traffic" and missed a mandatory team workout last week. David Wright had some comments that made it sound like he was pretty frustrated with Harvey (you can probably find them on Google).
Back to the Cubs game...I really don't like Baez at short. I hope Russell is okay and can be back out there tomorrow.
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2 outs....
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This game should be over.
2 down though.
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Dave knew all that...its his dementia
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Geez, learn to pitch to Piscotty. 8-6.
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Thank you Baez.
Idiot.
8-6.
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Glad Fowler hit that home run ...
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CUBS WIN
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Bats picked up Arrieta tonight. We're probably facing Lackey tomorrow. So close to the NLCS!
Get well Addi. We need you.
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If. Nothing else we've scared shiite out of them
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The hitting was good tonight...but man, that was a sloppy game.
Really...Arrieta had nothing, defense was sloppy, Russell had to leave with an injury and Baez was ugly defensively, a couple of base running errors...and the Cubs still won. As poorly as the Cubs played everywhere but at the plate, this had to be a really frustrating, demoralizing loss for the Cardinals.
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In spite of Javy we won another one.
What a season.
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Hopefully next time we see Arrieta is in Game 1 of the NLCS! I kind of hope the wind doesn't blow out tomorrow even with all the HRs tonight. Just think Hammel is HR prone and Lackey is tough to elevate. Though maybe on short rest he'll struggle. I'm pretty sure Lackey is starting. He didn't throw a session when he was due yesterday.
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Matheny just said it in his post game presser - Lackey tomorrow.
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Chicago weather tomorrow: Partly sunny, with a high near 60. West northwest wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph.
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Matheny just said it in his post game presser - Lackey tomorrow.
Well if he has a dropoff in stuff and has an actual professional umpire that can call the strike zone, hopefully we'll be able to get to him.
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Hopefully also if Molina has to miss the game tomorrow, that will help with the pitch framing.
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We're now outscoring the Cardinals 14-13 in the series.
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From Stark:
How 'bout this for a couple of amazing feats: The Cubs are the first team ever to have 4 players, 25 and under, homer in the same postseason game. And the first to have 5 players 26 & under do it. Unreal
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Good win. The Cubs have broken in the past with errors and breakdowns. Nice to see them not break down.
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Good win. The Cubs have broken in the past with errors and breakdowns. Nice to see them not break down.
This is not the Cubs of the past, thankfully.
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Picked up Jake and Javy. Should be easier for the latter if he has the whole day to prepare. I'm sure that it was overwhelming to enter that game. I regard the first error as an attempt to play it calm when he wasn't feeling that way. Looked nonchalant but was probably just trying to stay calm.
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The Cardinals have won 101 games and the Cubs 100. Neither is a dog.
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Arrieta came in on an unreal stretch post AS Break so his less than his best performance was picked up by the offense.Baez did play poorly in relief of Addi (playoff pressure?), but the team didn't let the miscues affect the final outcome. Helluva game in my book.
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If Russell can't go....Castro and La Stella? Or Baez and Castro?
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Baez and Castro.
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Baez and Castro.
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Lackey is 36 years old and apparently hasn't pitched on short rest since he was 26. Hopefully they don't let him get all his sweat and spit on the balls tomorrow, they don't let him have 1 foot off the corners, and maybe we have a shot. If Molina has to miss the game that will help too. Hammel hasn't been the same since he had the hamstring injury. Let's hope he is finally ready to have a good outing tomorrow. I'm sure Joe will have a really quick hook.
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Jesse Rogers:
Addison Russell is hopeful to play tomorrow but they will reassess in the morning. No MRI scheduled right now.
Russell said he felt something rounding second but kept going: “For the better of the team I thought I should stay out.”
Russell said his hammy injury last year was a 10, this was like a 1 or 1.5
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Lackey was really sharp last time. Still, he got away with some pitches that some Cubs just swung through. Fowler just missed the 2-run shot. And Lackey has been a high-HR guy. So maybe with the adrenaline and being in a groove he'll be plenty sharp. But a chance that he's not quite as sharp, (he's rarely as sharp as he was on Friday), and not quite as fast, and not quite as lucky, and some of his pitches end up in the bleachers.
I don't expect 6 HR's from us, but I assume we'll need at least two HR's tomorrow. I want to get runs off of Lackey and get the lead early; once their best relievers come in with a lead, I wouldn't count on catching up from behind with their best relievers. Hammel is himself a HR-guy, so we're probably going to need to hit some.
I'd sure like to put it away tomorrow, spare the drama, and have Lester ready for next series.
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Lackey starting on short rest is a sign of panic. Even if the Cardinals win tomorrow, they still have to win another one. And the other one will be against Lester. If I'm the Cardinals, I take my chances with Lynn vs. Hammel and full rest Lackey vs. Lester over Lackey on short rest and ??? vs. Lester.
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Sounds like Russell will be able to go tomorrow but if not Im going with Castro and LaStella or Coghlan.
Javy sure didnt earn that start tonight.
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It has always seemed questionable to me when managers start their aces on short rest during the playoffs. Seemed like the results didn't seem to be very good. Turns out that this is, in fact, generally the case.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1812391-does-throwing-top-pitchers-on-short-rest-pay-off-in-the-postseason
The decision to start Lackey tomorrow is clearly an act of desperation, and it seems likely, though far from certain, to backfire. As someone else pointed out, even if the Cards when tomorrow it makes the 5th game more challenging for them.
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How many pitches did Garcia throw? I'm guessing they would be looking at him on short rest or would they match up Lynn with Lester? Chances are decent that they are looking at maybe 6 innings for Lackey and Siegrist, Wainwright, and Broxton all threw 20+ pitches.
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It wouldn't be short rest for Garcia. That game was Saturday so he'd be pitching on regular rest on Thursday. If they decide to go with him. I really hope it doesn't come to that. Wrigley deserves to watch a Cubs team celebrate a playoff clinching win. Unbelievable that it has never happened.
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That was exhausting.
It's obviously a great sign that the Cubs survived Arrieta having an off day without coming unhinged - I think Castro's HR was huge. If Russell can't go tomorrow, I think you have to go with Baez and Castro - yeah, Baez made an error and muffed a tough but makable play, but putting Castro back at SS has disaster written all over it. And Castro muffed a ball, too - he just got lucky and still had time to make the play.Plus, Baez had two hits.
Baez and Castro both made mistakes that were totally in character. Baez nonchalanted an easy out, and Castro had a complete mental breakdown on the basepaths,. It happens, but they're the guys you have to go with tomorrow.
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I thought having the unsung heroes of the organization parade around the perimeter of the field before the game was wonderful. The crowd cheered them roundly and they, in turn, were filming the crowd with their smart phones as they made their journey.
Seeing Ryne Sandberg throw out the first pitch was also wonderful. It felt like a real homecoming.
It is hard to describe what it was like being at Wrigley Field tonight. I arrived in fear that this would be the game in which Jake Arrieta proved he is human after all. And he did that quickly, as it was obvious that he did not have his normal command. I remained optimistic that the Cubs would get to Wacha, but I sure didn't expect the historic HR barrage. The truly startling thing about that was the fact that five of those six were hit by players 26 or under, and three by rookies. Russell, the fourth rookie only hit a triple, and Baez, the fifth rookie had two singles. My goodness.
I never sensed any sense of dread in the ballpark, not when the Cards took the lead on Heyward's HR against Arrieta and not when Piscotti hit his HR in the 9th.
The bullpen was terrific tonight, along with the offense. It's only fair that those guys bail out Arrieta, given the many times he's been the one doing the bailing.
Great excitement and sense of optimism about the future (immediate and long term) at the ballpark.
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BTW...Jorge Soler sure picked the right time to become a bad ass.
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How many pitches did Garcia throw? I'm guessing they would be looking at him on short rest or would they match up Lynn with Lester? Chances are decent that they are looking at maybe 6 innings for Lackey and Siegrist, Wainwright, and Broxton all threw 20+ pitches.
Garcia wil be massively rested by Thursday. That's regular rest/schedule, and he got pulled very early on Saturday. Seems evident that Matheny is much more comfortable going with Garcia than Lynn.
Lets spare the suspense and score a bunch of runs early tomorrow, turn it over to the bullpen early, and get it done.
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I agree that the Castro home run was huge. If he had not done so, and the Cardinals had added to their lead, I think the game would have gone in a different direction.
And I also would not put Castro at shortstop tomorrow. He has been playing well at second, and I see little reason to change that. Baez made errors today, but for most of his short career, his defense has been excellent.
Lost in everything else was the fact that Baez went 2 for 2 today, and if Castro had not been hit by the ball, he would have been on third base, giving the Cubs a great opportunity to add to their lead.
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It wouldn't be short rest for Garcia. That game was Saturday so he'd be pitching on regular rest on Thursday. If they decide to go with him. I really hope it doesn't come to that. Wrigley deserves to watch a Cubs team celebrate a playoff clinching win. Unbelievable that it has never happened.
I agree in principle, but it would be awesome to force Cardinal fans witness our celebration on their field. Yes, I'm that nasty.
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Baez did have two hits tonight. One to left, one to Castro.
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Baez did have two hits tonight. One to left, one to Castro.
Which was 100% going through if it didn't hit Castro.
Now - can we please stop trying to get Heyward out on the outside corner?
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Kershaw going tomorrow on 3 days rest too. Just normal strategy with your best starting pitcher and facing an elimination game. Jays brought in David Price in relief today for three innings too during an elimination game. Not really a "panic" move but common post-season move, depending on circumstances.
Cards will have Rosenthal ready for at least two innings tomorrow. Pretty much everybody else too. Need 5 good innings from Lackey. With that goal, he's probably not too worried about short rest.
Great to see Cubs scoring runs in post-season. Not complaining, but you'd think 6 homers would plate more than 8 runs--all of which scored on homers.
Don't see Maddon moving Castro back to SS, if Russell can't go. Just leave Castro alone, without disruptions. He's on a nice roll. We know Baez plays a nice SS. This was one game.
Soler unreal. When he has disciplined, focused ABs, different guy. Maybe he just found regular season boring.
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Garcia wil be massively rested by Thursday. That's regular rest/schedule, and he got pulled very early on Saturday. Seems evident that Matheny is much more comfortable going with Garcia than Lynn.
Lets spare the suspense and score a bunch of runs early tomorrow, turn it over to the bullpen early, and get it done.
I thought the game would be Wednesday. Are the AL teams playing tomorrow?
My general thought without digging into the numbers is that a sinker ball pitcher will do better on short rest. Lackey isn't that guy, but he isn't really a fly ball pitcher either. Hopefully his almost 37 year old body won't hold up well.
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Pat Hughes and Len Kasper call all the Cubs home runs from tonight:
https://soundcloud.com/cubs_audio/october-12-2015
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Agree with Ron about having a hard time describing what it was like there tonight (raucous? amped? confident?), and also agree about the fans not seeming fazed by anything that happened. The only possible exception was the Baez error in the 7th, and facing Heyward as the tying run. After the E-6, I said to the guy next to me, "This next ball better not be hit right down the left field line..." Thankfully, 2015 Wood got the job done and got out of it.
Kudos to Maddon for pushing all the right buttons yet again. There were times I didn't agree in the moment (pulling Wood for Strop, pulling Soler for defense), but it all worked.
I think I may need to go down to Wrigleyville again tomorrow. Already in IL. Already have the day off. Chance to see history. I just need to figure out how to get myself to Midway by 8:00 or so, and cart around luggage while hopefully watching the Cubs celebrate their first-ever post-season series win. Seems worth it to me!
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I wish fans would not display those "W" flags before the game ends. As Yogi said, "its never over til it's over".
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Maddon post-game presser. 9 minutes.
Note what he says about rookies learning from adversity in majors compared to minors.
http://m.mlb.com/chc/video/topic/94784698/v522428283/stlchc-gm3-maddon-on-win-offensive-outburst/?c_id=chc
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This weekend I watched the Cubs win a playoff game with my son sitting in my lap cheering for the first time ever. It doesn't get any better than this.
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I wish fans would not display those "W" flags before the game ends. As Yogi said, "its never over til it's over".
I guess the Governor of Texas never heard this quote
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Maddon post-game presser. 9 minutes.
Note what he says about rookies learning from adversity in majors compared to minors.
http://m.mlb.com/chc/video/topic/94784698/v522428283/stlchc-gm3-maddon-on-win-offensive-outburst/?c_id=chc
Reb - That link took me to a 2 minute or so video. Is there a different link?
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21 minutes of highlights from last night.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/st-louis-cardinals-chicago-cubs-351012116/
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Hey Ron - Quick question: Was there access to the rest of the park from the Bleachers?
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No. People in the Bleachers cannot go to the rest of the park - at least that's the way it was in the past. Pretty sure that's still the case. This was my first time in the bleachers for more than 25 years, maybe 30. I started out watching only from bleachers about 45 years ago, but over time moved into the grandstand.
I'm used to sitting in the grandstand now, and the perspective on fly balls is reversed in the bleachers. In the grandstand you often have to watch the outfielders to tell whether a fly ball has a chance to leave the yard, and crowds regularly get excited when there is no reason to do so. Last night, when Schwarber hit his HR, I didn't think it had a chance until it landed. People around me who were used to the perspective did, however. You actually have a better view of whether the ball is going to make it when it's coming more or less toward you, rather than away from you. I had to adjust my perspective last night --- fortunately I had a number of opportunities.
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I read that it changed with the renovations and you are now able to access the rest of the park from the bleachers. I haven't been to Wrigley in 3 years though.
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Ron, I saw a Cubs series in Texas a couple years ago where the woman in front of me stood up and cheered every time a Ranger hit the ball out of the infield. After trying to reason with her, I finally asked to be moved to another seat.
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Holy smokes: This day in history, Bill Mazeroski hit the game winning home run in Game 7 of the World Series over New York. And we're nearly two weeks away from Game 1! Sheesh.
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If things had stayed the way they were, the Cubs wouldn't be playing right now.
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Baez playing SS and hitting 9th. Montero 7, Hammel 8. First 6 same as yesterday's starting lineup.
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I think Baez got the nerves out of his system and he's going to have a big day.
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Molina scratched from the lineup. Hopefully that helps with the borderline calls. Being at Wrigley SHOULD help too.
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Baez gets his chance on the big stage. Hope he is up to the challenge.
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Russell is apparently doubtful for game 5 too.
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Live press conference with Montero on MLB
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Reb - That link took me to a 2 minute or so video. Is there a different link?
Must have been re-edited at the source. Checked when I posted and it was 9 minutes last night.
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Called the box office and confirmed that I will be able to enter the rest of the park. On my way back to Wrigley now!
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Well, here we go... Let's hope we are celebrating a huge win in about 3 hours.
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Everyone but Pedro picking the Cardinals for today's game.
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Hoping Hammel surprises us all with a really good outing. Also hoping Cubs solve Lackey early. Fingers crossed.
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Fangraphs claims Cuzzi's strikezone in game one wasn't bad at all:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/tbs-please-fix-your-strike-zone-graphic/
Second comment seems to eviscerate that notion.
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That didn't take long. 4 pitches, 2-0.
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Well, Hammel sucks. I wish they'd learn to pitch to Piscotty.
Get the bullpen up.
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Cardinals 2 - 0.
Not such a great start.
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That is a killer. Hammel just sucks. We needed one more starter man... If only we knew then what we know now.
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Where have you gone, Dan Haren?
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Hoping Hammel surprises us all with a really good outing. Also hoping Cubs solve Lackey early. Fingers crossed.
Piscotti has been incredible. Well, I still hope that the Cubs solve Lackey early. Really hoping for that.
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How was Piscotty not a top-five BA prospect?
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Quite the response.
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Hopefully they get Lackey out early because it doesn't look like we're going to do anything against him yet again. That HR was devastating. I hope the players are more upbeat than I am right now because that was a punch to the gut.
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Pretty much a horrible 1st inning. Looks like Lackey is Lackey and Hammel is Hammel and that's not a good thing.
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I would have started Haren over Hammel or gone with a bullpen day. He is horrible right now.
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Lackey looked very solid. Not good.
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John Lackey on the season averaged 91.6 on his fastball with a top velocity of 95.2. It seems like the last 2 games everything has been 94-95.
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Grimm already up in the pen.
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He seems to have dropped his arm slot to try to get some more velocity. Whatever it is, it seems to be working. Cardinals are paying that guy 500K. Just unreal.
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They are paying him that thanks to Theo.
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Hammel has been killed on first pitch contact this year which continued with Piscotty. Long past time to shake up the pattern.
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Let's see if Rizzo can get something started. We need to get a run somehow. Just show we can score on this guy and get the crowd back in the game.
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Schwarber just seems so intimidated by the post-season.
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Montero is the key hitter.
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Castro made sure he got out of the way of that well inside pitch. I guarantee nearly any Cardinals hitter would've stood there and taken the base to put two on.
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Big strikeout of Montero.
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Montero just sucks. Worthless.
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Stupid pitcher hitting 8th...
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Hammel shows how crappy Monetro really is.
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Thank god the pitcher can come through w/ RISP.
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Both pitchers have hits. Screw the DH.
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BAEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Heh heh, get the RISP from a pitcher! Funny.
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Too bad Baez isn't hitting enough home runs.
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Baez! Nice.
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BAEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was about to say after the Hammel hit that Baez should jump on him quickly because Lackey really looked frustrated and rattled. That was great.
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JAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Looking like Javy may be ready for the big stage. Oh my goodness!!!
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What a beautiful swing by Baez. Wow. That was incredible.
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So, between last night and today, four of the Cub rookies have hit a HR, and the other hit a triple. Pretty impressive.
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Who knew the Russell injury would be helpful. Maybe karma really is turning around.
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Baez is not technically a rookie but close enough. To think that he is only in the lineup because of what happened to Russell. A break went our way!
HUGE inning for Hammel. 2-3-4 due up. Please hold them here Hammel.
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Lackey looked like he was about to go Sean Rodriguez for a minute there. Love seeing the Cards on the verge of a mental breakdown.
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I'm okay with walking Heyward, who owns Hammel and the Cubs.
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Pickoff!
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MONTERO! Picks off Heyward. That was good, because Hammel was hanging everything.
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Pickoff throw by Montero nails Heyward!
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Miggy with a big throw. Maybe they figured the best way to get Heyward was getting him on first then picking him off.
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Hammel through 3. Bullpen has been up every inning. I really hope follows what Baez did and go to right field. At least the righties.
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Even though Hammel has been getting guys out, his pitches have been up a lot, and I don't think that's what Maddon wants to see from him. Think Hammel won't be long for this game, still.
Good to see Lackey doesn't seem to have the pinpoint control that he did in St Louis.
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Ooh. First pitch to Soler was a meatball.
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Hammel has to be nervous thinking about potentially being pulled after every hitter.
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Is there some reason Soler just drops his bat on home plate instead of tossing it toward his dugout? It must drive the bat boys crazy.
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Want Patient Bryant to return.
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Glad they put up 4. Lackey seems to have regained control.
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What a different Cubs team! With other Cubs teams, this game was over after the 1st.
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Where was that 1-0 pitch!?
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Hammel walks Peralta. Get him out of there.
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Robot umps please
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4 to 2 is not a comfortable lead.
But it is more comfortable than trailing 2 - 0.
Grimm in.
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Leadoff walk.
Hammel pulled for Grimm.
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The call on the second pitch Hammel threw to Peralta was awful:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CROmU72WIAE35KU.png)
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Where the hell was that 2-0 pitch? Come on man, you can't squeeze a guy like that. It is right down the middle! Now they bring Grimm in who has trouble with command. If the strike zone stays like it is, this inning might be huge trouble.
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Good pull there.
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Bryant boots a double play ball. They're good defensively overall, but these bouts of sloppiness are tough.
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Bryant boots an easy grounder.
Good grief Cubs. This could be a disaster.
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Big K on Wong.
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Rookies make mistakes.
Castro was a rookie for a long time.
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Another huge K, and Grimm needed to throw four strikes to get it.
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This umpire's strike zone is tiny.
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And suddenly the strike zone is huge.
This has not been a good balls and strikes crew.
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Grimm picked a good time to get good again.
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GRIMM!!!! Nice job working around the walk and error.
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Grimm! What an inning! DP ball and three blow-away K's! Love it.
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Love the Grimm Reaper
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Is Carlson drunk?
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Grimm bails out Bryant
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I will feel better if they score 23 runs this inning.
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hope he stays in if his spot doesn't come up
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Wow, looks like Grimm just needed some rest. He went heat, heat, and more heat. Come on Castro!
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Whew
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Wainwright in. Ugh.
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Well, it's a bull pen day for both sides.
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Who knew the Cub would get Lackey out of the game after only three innings? This game certainly turned around very dramatically, very quickly. Thank you Javy and Justin!
Hopefully the Cubs can add on and frustrate the Cardinals even more.
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It'll be hard to add on with Wainwright in.
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That error was about as bad as an error can be. Makes it a five out inning with two on.. And they still get out of it. What a huge pick up of KB by Grimm!!
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Very weak inning for the Cubs.
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I assume everyone knows that were are almost certain to see Strop in the game at some point.
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Would like to see them grind more in their ABs.
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Grimm out. Wood in.
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Cahill up in the pen.
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I'm tired of Biscotti
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So was Wood.
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Better.
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Hope wood goes two
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Lord, I hate that basket catch.
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I'm with Curt - hope Maddon lets Wood at least start the 6th inning. Just as soon not use at least one reliever every inning.
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Wood will stay in for Heyward at least.
Cubs offense has went quiet. Wainwright may be in for awhile.
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Wainwright has a low pitch count. I wonder if they'll let him go one more against Soler, Bryant, and Rizzo.
Come on Woody. One more scoreless inning.
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Before the Baez homer, Lackey had not given up a HR in 74 post-season innings.
If things don't change in the next four innings, Javy will be the unquestionable MVP of the game.
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Wainwright has a low pitch count. I wonder if they'll let him go one more against Soler, Bryant, and Rizzo.
Come on Woody. One more scoreless inning.
I expect Matheny to let Wainwright go as long he pitches effectively.
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Not a good start. Cahill coming in.
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The scary thing about a bullpen game is that all it takes is to find one guy that's not having a good day. Let's hope Cahill is on again.
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A little surprised Wood pulled here. Clearly Joe has a plan, but I'm curious what it is. Cahill now. Then who for the seventh? Rodney, I guess.
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Trouble brewing.
Eventually they will come through.
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Ugh. The more pitchers you go through, the more likely you are to find one who isn't good that day.
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Overthrowing.
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Cahill overthrowing
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Pretty wicked pitch to strike out Grichuk.
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That was ball four
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Wong with a terrible AB. Thank you very much.
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Tony Cruz hits a run-scoring double down the right field line. I barely knew Tony Cruz existed until today.
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Damn, needed to bury a slider there. This might be the game here.
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Ugh, Cruz slaps it past Rizzo for a double.
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Blah
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I love Soler
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Cards tie it up. Dig deep, Cubs.
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Cards tie it as Soler throws out Cruz at the plate.
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Game is tied.
Cahill sucked. Joe went to the bullpen way too early today.
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Could have been much worse, but for a great throw by Soler. Wainwright out of the game, but at a significant cost to the Cubs.
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At least Wainwright is out.
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Let's see if Soler keeps his incredible stretch going here as he leads off.
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Two two-out RBI hits from nobodies. Doesn't matter who wears the uniform, they always come through.
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How many broken bats today?
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Rizzo!
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Rizzo homers.
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That Rizzo swing looked effortless.
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Rizzo against Siegrist is a good matchup. Whew.
Probably need five more to feel comfortable.
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On 0-2. That was one terrible pitch. Thank you Rizzo!
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Rizzo, nice.
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Castro and his typical weak grounder to SS for the third tome today.
5-4 Cubs top of the 7th.
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I don't think 5 runs is going to win this game.
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Well, they might not win, but no one can say that they give up.
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Second time in two days Rizzo is down two strikes to Siegrist and takes him out to RF. Wow!
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Would like more Cubs runs, please.
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Rodney in. Top of the lineup. Please hold them Fernando.
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Keep Cahill in? Rodney? Strop? Arrieta? Kerry Wood?
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Wow, Rodney. Yikes.
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Keep Cahill in? Rodney? Strop? Arrieta? Kerry Wood?
Arrieta is not available either for today or a possible 5th game, according to Maddon.
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It feels like Rodney is due for a bad outing. He never really had one as a Cub with that 0.75 ERA.
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Who's left in the pen? Richard, Strop, Rondon, Hendricks
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This is terrifying
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How about a DP?
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Richard to pitch to Heyward.
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Another spin of the "Find The One That Sucks" wheel.
No whammies, no whammies...
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Richard, Rondon left unless you use Hendricks or Davis Ross.
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Holy Mackerel. Joe is sure a riverboat gambler. Only Strop and Rondon left after Richard.
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Extra innings would be interesting.
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Whiff!
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This is so stressful
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Richard! Nice.
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Another spin of the "Find The One That Sucks" wheel.
No whammies, no whammies...
Post of the year Tuffy.
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Holy Mackerel. Joe is sure a riverboat gambler. Only Strop and Rondon left after Richard.
Hendricks is avaiable
I haven't been this nervous since 2003. My wife just told me to sit down.
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Extra innings would be interesting.
Exactly. Guess Joe believes in his bullpen guys.
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Do you leave Richard out there? I think I would. I am so scared that if we go to Strop and he sucks we're stuck. Yeah they have righties but Perralta seems to have Strop's number... I'm so nervous. We need to get some runs.
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Cubs offense needs to get more. 1 is not nearly enough for my heart.
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Rondon for multiple innings? Hendrix for an inning? Strop?
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Schwarber!!!!
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Wow. That was a no question HR
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Schwar-bomb!
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Oh my God... what a bomb.
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I wonder how many balls reached Sheffield Avenue this year?
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Not many like that one.
Looks like Strop coming in.
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This team just wont quit!
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Bunch of somebodies hitting bombs all series ❤️
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No way that was only 418'.
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Lets get more
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Just think. Next year they are likely to be better offensively. Especially if Baez is for real.
And he just got a single.
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Baez is legit. I'm convinced. Drop a drag bunt Dex
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Oh crap. Strop in the eighth inning.
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Come on Jorge. One big blast here would be HUGE.
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Soler?
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I hope he leaves Soler and Schwarber in rather than go for defense. We might still need those bats.
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Weak pop to first.
Strop coming in for the 8th.
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Man, I really wish they would have left Richard out there. We have no fall back plan to Strop other than having Rondon go more than an inning.
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Another run or two in the bottom of the inning would be great.
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Peralta strikes out looking!
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That batter -- second out of the bottom of the 8th, Cubs hanging on to a slim lead -- was the point in the Bartman game where things went off the rails, and today we just got through it unscathed.
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1-2-3 for Strop!
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STROP! Like I said, good thing we have a great 8th inning reliever in Strop!
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Strop is good. Leave him in for the ninth.
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Strop and Grimm, crucial all year, terrific today. Wow.
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Come on KB. A blast here and that stadium will go nuts. Add at least one run please!
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Never a concern
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KB triples to the RF gap!
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Great decision by Bryant to go for 3rd.
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What a great hit! Come on Rizzo!!!
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Bryant triple!
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Perfectly positioned gapper. Get him in, Rizzo!
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Needless to say, we HAVE to get this run home.
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Castro almost never comes through with a runner on third and fewer than 2 outs.
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But Matheny walks Castro to get to Jackson.
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Jackson is a good bunter
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Come on Jackson. Just get the run home.
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Would be a good time for Montero's first hit.
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Can't get a single with a RISP to save their lives.
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Montero is due
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Montero walks on 4 straight.
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Come on Denorf
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I am perfectly content with a walk here
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My stomach can't take much more...
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That really sucked.
Wasted a leadoff triple.
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Would have liked an insurance run or two there.
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Can't believe how cool our guys are staying...wish he had taken another pitch
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3 outs away
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Oh well, 3 outs to go.
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I hope The good Rondon is here today
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Yeah, that seemed like a borderline pitch there. Probably a strike but might have been close.
Reynolds on deck. Need to get the leadoff man. Can Rondon keep his emotions in check.
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One out!
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One.
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Should have been
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Two.
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One out to go!
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According to pitch trax, Rondon threw one strike against Reynolds and it was called a ball. Wow.
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Hit for Carpenter to bring up Biscotti. There's danger here, Cheri.
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Oh no...here comes Piscotty...
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Rondon gets another shot at ending a game against Piscotty. Hope it turns out better this time.
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Of course it's Piscotty up.
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There are no words.
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Don't be getting too excited, Wrigley fans -- we want to be doing this two more times before this is all over!
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NLCS!!
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Joe is a frigging genius. He had it all planned out to perfection. Meanwhile we mortals just didn't realize it. OMG
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Onward and upward!
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WOW!!!!!!!!
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Piscotty K was the perfect ending.
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I am out of gas.
Man oh man.
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congrats everyone! :D
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We beat the Cardinals at Wrigley to get to the NLCS. Russell gets hurt and Baez hits a 3 run HR. Every pitcher in the pen was in this game. This was a team win if there ever was one. I still can't believe it. 4th time in my lifetime they've been to the NLCS. Oh for 8 more wins...
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That was nerve racking and fun!!!!!
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Would rather face the Dodgers
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Just get to a game 5..
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Would rather face the Dodgers
Mets, Revenge '69..
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Never mind, too long ago...
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CUBS!!!
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National League
NL Championship Series, Game 1
Saturday, October 17 on TBS
Chicago Cubs @ TBD
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Guessing baez and cubs set another record today with so many different young guys homering in same series, too.
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Mets, Revenge '69..
Nah, I think the whole revenge thing still plays.
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I'm still ticked off about 1969. It was bad then, and I would love to see some revenge.
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Was the shot of Wrigley that MLB Network just showed live? It looked like it. The fans are still mostly there.
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I hope Diane got to the airport on time.
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Congrats, friends!! What a fun team to follow this year!! This is as fun as sports can be, imo!!!
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I'm so happy tonight I'm going to talk to my wife for 2-3 minutes.
Maybe.
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That ought to kill your happiness.
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What a great night to be a Cubs fan.
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DaveP, she won't respond. I'm safe.
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With just a little bit of luck, this could go on for a decade or more. That is how young the core of this team is.
Injuries could change things, but just think about these guys and their ages.
Rizzo
Bryant
Soler
Russell
Schwarber
pretty much proven.
Still with potential to be much better than average
Castro
Baez.
Out of their top prospects, who has really failed by this point
Alcantara and maybe Almora.
This team is a credit to both the procurement staff and the development staff.
Regardless of what happens the rest of the year, this team and everyone associated with it should be proud of themselves.
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This team is able to take a punch and get back up. The 2003 Cubs couldn't do it. Theo on down have done a great job at building this team. Maddon has built a great culture for this team. Multiple times in the last two games this team had a chance to fold and they bounced back.
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That ought to kill your happiness.
it sure will kill hers
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What a game! What a series! Schwarber HR was absolutely monstrous!!! I heard it went 418 ft, are they kidding?? It had to be much longer! It cleared the Bud sign and kept going!!! This team is simply magnificent...I am so stoked!!
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Mets or Dodgers? I'm hoping for the Mets too but not before they lose tonight and have to fly all the way to LA and then come back to NY. Greinke and Kershaw up to 5 times in a series would be tough.
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NLCS is scheduled 17, 18, 20, 21, 22, 24, 25.
I doubt the Dodgers would pitch Kershaw on short rest back to back. So he likely would start until the 18th. Greinke can't start until game 3. Kershaw on short rest could start the 22 and Greinke the 24th. The Cubs could start Arrieta/Lester 5 times.
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Playing the Mets and beating them would be awesome..the '69 season bad memory put away after 46 years
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Pat Hughes call of the final out:
http://m.cubs.mlb.com/chc/video/v522781183/cubs-celebrate-advance-to-nlcs/?affiliateId=clubMEGAMENU
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Out of their top prospects, who has really failed by this point
Alcantara and maybe Almora.
With all of the success seen in the majors, and with some still encouraging development of other prospects, it has been fairly easy to ignore the floundering of Alcantara this season, but last year he had an OPS of .890 in 366 PA at Iowa. This year he has had an OPS of .662 in 531 PA. What in the world happened to the guy? He has fallen from a very highly regarded prospect who could help at multiple positions to someone who has seemingly fallen right off the screen. It sure would be nice if he could fill that hoped for supersub status, but at the moment such a possibility seems quite remote.
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I don't think they can start Lester and Arrieta 5 times. I think they can go 17/18 and 22/24. Unless you push up the game 1 starter to the 21 on 3 days rest and then he could pitch on 3 days rest again I guess on the 25th. We'll need Hendricks maybe twice and we'll need Hammel/bullpen day at least once. God I wish we had gotten another starter. Then again, it probably would have taken Baez or Soler and without them, we probably don't win this series.
If we face the Dodgers, I think I'd go with Lester game 1 and see if he can beat whatever other pitcher the Dodgers use not named Kershaw/Greinke. Against the Mets I think I would go with Arrieta though.
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It would require the game 1 starter going on 3 days twice to get 5 starts. I doubt the Cubs would do it, but they could.
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I thought I heard that Lester already was told he has game 1
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I wouldn't be opposed to Lester in game 1. It gives Arrieta an extra day of rest for his next 2 starts (assuming they get to game 6). He could use a couple extra days of rest.
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It would an interesting choice. Lester would be going on 7 days rest on Saturday and Arrieta would be on a normal 4 days.
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Jed Hoyer gets absolutely no credit. Everyone says congrats to Theo Epstein, Tom Rickets, Joe Maddon, etc. Hoyer is the GM of the Cubs. Someday if the Cubs are able to win a World Series in the next 5-7 years there will be a book written about Epstein taking over and everything that happened behind the scenes. I look forward to that book. Maybe Hoyer will get a chapter.
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Rumor is Hoyer was the person that wanted Rizzo.
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I just threw 30 bucks down on one of those "Chicago Wants It More" shirts less than a week after I paid 30 for a "Take October" shirt.
I must be a fan.
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Schwarber's ball is supposedly on top of the Scoreboard:
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Schwarbers-Ball-Is-Sitting-on-Top-Scoreboard-332590272.html
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Congratulations to all of us and to all the other Cub fans who've been almost ridiculously loyal through some REALLY lean years (and decades)!!
And to have this game (and this Series) against the freaking Cardinals was almost too good to be true!! They are a tough bunch...and, over the course of this season, somehow, we passed them as a ballclub. At least for this year! We now have 101 wins...tied with the Birds for the most! Just unreal!
As eastcoastfan said earlier, Cub teams of the past would have folded after the Piscotty homer (or after the Bryant error)...fortunately, Ladies and Gentlemen, if we've learned anything over the course of this season it's that this Cub team doesn't resemble ANY Cub team(s) of our lifetimes! And our manager is light years ahead of any other who EVER led the Cubs!
Same with front office, of course! Also, it certainly seems to me that the Wrigley crowd has some swagger it NEVER had in the past either! To me, that's significant. Didn't appear to me watching on tv that there was much "waiting for the other shoe to drop" in the stands and comments by Ron and Diehard suggest as much. That should help the rest of the way...and in future years, too!
GO Cubs! What an incredibly fun year this has been...may it continue for TWO more Series!!!
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I think Baez got the nerves out of his system and he's going to have a big day.
;-)
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There are just so many things that are unbelievable about all of this. Finishing the year 46-19. The extraordinary poise and performance of the Rookies during the season and in the playoffs. In the playoffs, Soler's nine consecutive PAs without an out, including 2 HR. Schwarber's 7 for 13, with 3 HR. Baez hitting a critical 3 run HR after subbing for Addison Russell. The clutch performance of the relief corps, including guys who were virtually picked up off the scrap heap. The managerial moves by Maddon. Sandberg's homecoming to throw out the first pitch last night.So many other things.
45 years of being a Cubs fan and I already loved this team more than any other, even before the playoffs. What a glorious year and it's not over yet. I would certainly not want to bet against this Cubs team. One AB, one inning, one game at a time the rest of the way.
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Bring back the leg kick!
Watched the game on DVR because of the hinky schedule. Definitely seemed to me that not having Molina in there was huge - Cruz and the Cardinal pitchers weren't on the same page several times, not just the Lackey slider to Hammel. Can't blame him on Rizzo's HR, though - that was just a horrible miss by Siegrist. Hard to overstate how huge that HR was - the momentum had totally swung back to St. Louis, and it was 0-2 with 2 out. Terrible, terrible pitch.
Schwarber's ball - 419 feet? LOL! That was 460, easy. But Javy was the story of the day for me. Yet another kid steps up huge, and he's only 4-5 with a HR. I believe in Baez' talent so deeply - he's special. He can do things other guys just can't do. There will be hiccups, but he has a fearless approach and a high baseball IQ - he's already figuring it out, and when it all clicks he may end up being the best of all of them, as great as the others are.
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good job in bringing in the win, everybody. Very nice. Team game. Really good work by the bullpen.
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Somebody asked Maddon about trusting 3 pitchers in the middle of the game who had been DFAed by their teams. He responded, "We just have a super scouting staff that saw something left in them."
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I wasn't able to watch, but I'm as delighted as anyone. On to the NLCS!
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The only blip for the bullpen, really, was Cahill giving up the 2-out double to Cruz and the subsequent single. But I think that was a consequence of a bid call by Montero - Cruz has looked totally helpless against high heat for two days, so they should never have tried to get him on anything offspeed.
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It wasn't a bad pitch either. It was a good play by Cruz got to give him some credit.
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Deeg, yours was a great pre-game call on Baez being a difference-maker in Game 4! It's SO much fun to watch him succeed after the ups and downs we've been through with him over the years! And I'll certainly agree that he does seem to be a special talent.
It's also been great watching Castro play his ass off - with NO whining - since Joe put Russell in his shortstop spot (which was a great, key move few managers would have had the acumen or the guts to make). It's really been fun watching Starlin come through at the time of year it matters most.
My hope is that, at least for 2016, Cubs keep ALL 6 young studs (Castro, Baez, Soler, Russell, Bryant, Schwarber) to play 5 spots (LR, RF, 3b, SS, 2b), knowing also that Kyle can get some starts behind the plate. Injuries are just SO common, keeping those 6 guys would provide fabulous insurance. And Joe uses his bench so well, they could each start 5+ days per week and get 500 ABs or more. Again, most managers couldn't juggle those guys real well. Joe M. already has.
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Castro looks so relaxed and confident at 2B; he's a different player altogether. And it clearly has impacted his hitting. Were we playing him out of position for the past 5 years? Or did his poor play at SS come as a result of hearing footsteps: Alcantara, Baez, Russell? It's hard to play with confidence and concentration when everyone is pointing out your replacement.
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good job in bringing in the win, everybody. Very nice. Team game. Really good work by the bullpen.
I had not realized it until this morning, but the bullpen had 13 strikeouts in six innings. Seven different guys, each one of them pitching well. Grimm and Strop and Rondon in particular. And Richard with his huge, dominating strikeout. Just amazing.
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The best thing about the Cruz double was that it got Wainwright out of the game...which was huge IMO...
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Just amazing.
Joe's handling of the team and particularly the bullpen has been really spectacular. I'm SO glad the Cubs have Maddon instead of, say Matheny.
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It has been confirmed that Schwarber's home run landed on top of the video board, and they plan to leave it there the rest of the postseason.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-kyle-schwarber-home-run-ball-20151013-story.html
I've seen suggestions on Twitter that the RF scoreboard should be officially named the "Schwarboard."
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I hope they keep guards there 24 hours per day, to keep the drunken idiots from trying to climb up there in the middle of the night.
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I hope they keep guards there 24 hours per day, to keep the drunken idiots from trying to climb up there in the middle of the night.
I don't think you can climb that high anymore, Davep.
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Lackey has only thrown on 3 days rest twice in his career. Those 2 starts totaled 9.1 innings and a 4.85 ERA. He was also 26 the last time he did it. I remember things hurting a lot less when I was 26.
Deeg, this is what I was going on.
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A lot of celebration in St. Louis today! By all the Cub fans who've been taunted for years.
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It has been confirmed that Schwarber's home run landed on top of the video board, and they plan to leave it there the rest of the postseason.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-kyle-schwarber-home-run-ball-20151013-story.html
I've seen suggestions on Twitter that the RF scoreboard should be officially named the "Schwarboard."
Should cover the ball in a case so wind doesn't blow it away and Cubs fans can take helicopter tours forever to view the ball.
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Deeg, this is what I was going on.
The playoff starts were listed on his splits screen on baseball reference. 5 starts isn't much to judge anything on, especially when they were 10 years ago.
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Well, you got me in trouble. What's wrong with you? :)
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Made it back to Denver. Exhausted and down quite a few dollars, but absolutely worth it! I'll share some observations and highlights of the magical two days at Wrigley when I have time, but wow, was it a fun scene! Momentum changes in a hurry in baseball, so who knows what "tomorrow" (Saturday, next week, etc.) will bring. But I sure wouldn't bet against these guys right now. And I think it's huge that they've already played a do-or-die game, already been behind in a series, and already been behind multiple times in critical games. And emerged victorious in the end. May that happen 8 more games/2 more series.
I'm buying another flight on Southwest today for Halloween weekend. Hope I get to do this all again in 2 and a half weeks!
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That's awesome, Di. I'm jealous.
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The Cubs have confirmed that the ball on top of the scoreboard is Schwarber's and that they will protect it with a plexiglass cover, at least through the playoffs.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-kyle-schwarber-home-run-ball-20151013-story.html
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Hope some knucklehead doesn't try to climb up there at 3:00 a.m and take the ball. Don't need another curse after they find a corpse at bottom of scoreboard clutching the baseball.
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Hammels needs to throw a lot every day. A sinkerballer needs a tired arm
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Hard to say how much an injury like that makes a difference, but his season took a turn for the worse after his hamstring injury.
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Hope some knucklehead doesn't try to climb up there at 3:00 a.m and take the ball. Don't need another curse after they find a corpse at bottom of scoreboard clutching the baseball.
I'm not sure it's possible to climb up to the top of the scoreboard without considerable equipment, the way it's constructed. So pretty sure the dead body of anyone who tried would not be clutching the ball.
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Well, the effects of rigor mortis on a Cubs fan clutching that baseball might keep the ball in hand, no matter the circumstance.
Just don't try it.
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What if Schwarber hits another one (or two) up there next week?
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Hope some knucklehead doesn't try to climb up there at 3:00 a.m and take the ball. Don't need another curse after they find a corpse at bottom of scoreboard clutching the baseball.
No Reb, with the Cubs history, the ball would roll into a storm sewer when the body hits the pavement, and the ball is gone forever
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He's apt to.
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Cubs source confirmed to the Tribune that the monstrous Kyle Schwarber home run ball from Tuesday’s series-clinching win over the Cardinals landed on top of the right field video board.
A Cubs employee was sent to retrieve the ball Wednesday morning, and a source said the team verified it was the actual Schwarber ball through an MLB postseason watermark on it. It will be officially authenticated by MLB today.
The Cubs have returned it to its original location on top of the board and will leave it there until their postseason run has concluded.
The source said the Cubs will decide what to do with the ball after the season but wanted to leave it there for now as a memento of the Game 4 win. The Cubs are building a plexiglass case to preserve it from the elements, and will place it on top of the ball Wednesday afternoon.
A security guard will escort anyone going up to the top of the video board to service it so it won't be stolen. There will be no 24-hour security.
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Baez had a fairly big, hanging leg-kick on that homer. Still not convinced that is an issue for him. Too many moving parts in the swing itself the most likely culprit.
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One other point about last night's game: How strong was Montero on pitches in the dirt?! He made a number of terrific picks. Including the last one ….
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One other point about last night's game: How strong was Montero on pitches in the dirt?! He made a number of terrific picks. Including the last one ….
Yeah, can you imagine a wild pitch on that and now Holiday coming up as go-ahead run?
Oh, now you're giving me nightmares. Cut that out. Game over.
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Soler's throw to the plate was a real key, but Montero's snap throw to first to get Heyward killed momentum too.
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Catch and tag on the Soler throw too. Tons of little noticed things catcher has to do on defense, which are much more noticeable in post-season..
Something to consider if Cubs still plan to catch Schwarber in future.
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One other point about last night's game: How strong was Montero on pitches in the dirt?! He made a number of terrific picks. Including the last one ….
Yes. I was saying to my family that even though Montero is yet to get a hit in the post-season, he has been a really important asset. I like this guy.
And on a somewhat related subject, seeing just how good, and explosive, Schwarber is at the plate add how adequate he is in LF, along with appreciating how valuable a good defensive catcher is (including game calling and all the not easily measurable stuff), I am beginning to wonder whether the Cubs will continue to think about Schwarber as ever being a full-time catcher.
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Catch and tag on the Soler throw too. Tons of little noticed things catcher has to do on defense, which are much more noticeable in post-season..
Something to consider if Cubs still plan to catch Schwarber in future.
I had not seen this post before my recent one. But, yeah, that was a great tag by Montero and it could have easily been a game changer.
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Soler's throw to the plate was a real key, but Montero's snap throw to first to get Heyward killed momentum too.
Yes. Again, the value of a really good defensive catcher.
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Yeah, can you imagine a wild pitch on that and now Holiday coming up as go-ahead run?
Oh, now you're giving me nightmares. Cut that out. Game over.
That was the exact thought I had after that pitch - "this is the Cubs, it's a miracle he didn't reach on a dropped third strike".
Montero hasn't looked good throwing out baserunners (or at the plate in the postseason) but in terms of blocking pitches, framing and game management I've ben very impressed all season. He's been a key player for us.
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All, after peaking at work all day keeping an eye on the scores, after the kids finally went to bed last night, I sat down and watched the whole game. Despite not getting to bed until 3 a.m, it was totally worth it. The Hamel hit, Baez bomb, snap throw pickoff, Schwarber and Rizz bombs, Grimm's lights out shizz, Soler's throw to preserve the tie, Strop's dominance, Lackey's meltdown at the Hamel hit, the CROWD, the fun, the celebration. WOW. Amazing series, amazing game. After spending four days in June at Wrigley and seeing the kids in action, I felt extremely jealous that I wasn't still in town. What a night it would have been. This has been an amazing season, let's hope the magic continues.
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Here are all the start times and announcer assignments that have been set, via TBS Media Relations.
Every game will be on TBS as Ernie Johnson will provide play-by-play for the NLCS with analysts Ron Darling and Cal Ripken and reporters Sam Ryan and Matt Winer.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRT0tsNUcAAk3Fc.jpg)
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So glad the NLCS is on TBS. MLB wants to compete with other sports but puts their games on a channel that a lot of people do not get. Doesn't make sense to me.
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A lot of people don't get TBS?
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A lot of people don't get TBS?
FS1. ALCS is on FS1
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Oh, I get it now. I thought your first sentence was sarcasm.
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TBS and their lack of cameras sucks.
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FS1 is carried by pretty much every cable and satellite provider of any significance.
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FS1 is carried by pretty much every cable and satellite provider of any significance.
Its not on Comcast cable locally here and I'm not paying an $30 a month for FS1 on my dish. I already pay extra for the multi sport package which, for some reason, FS1 is not included.
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Work with your mayor to get better cable into town instead of working with rabbit ears with attached tinfoil.
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Work with your mayor to get better cable into town instead of working with rabbit ears with attached tinfoil.
He already has his congressman going after the FCC over local broadcasting rights. Why not get the Attorney General to file a class action suit too....
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Its not on Comcast cable locally here and I'm not paying an $30 a month for FS1 on my dish. I already pay extra for the multi sport package which, for some reason, FS1 is not included.
I'd check again. Comcast has a national deal with fox. It's unlikely that it's not on in your area.
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I think it's 219 on DirecTV...
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Ive got Charter and I have it.
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I think it's 219 on DirecTV...
Yes, and FS2 is 618.
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A lot of people don't get TBS?
I suspect he meant a lot of people don't get FS1 -- I don't even know what FS1 is.
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FS1 is carried by pretty much every cable and satellite provider of any significance.
I don't believe I get it on my current cable provider, and don't believe I got it on either of my last two cable providers.
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It's in 75% of American households with a TV. If you have cable with a major carrier - Comcast, Time Warner, Charter, Cox, Verizon, AT&T, DirecTv, Dish, etc., you've got it.
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Not that I would dispute you or anything, but....
Dish in Chatsworth, GA -- Nope -- http://www.dish.com/compare-channels/?vals=SMARTPACK
Suddenlink in Henderson, TX -- Nope -- http://tvlistings.aol.com/listings/tx/henderson/suddenlink-communications/TX42537%7CX
Comcast in Farmington, NM -- Nope -- http://www.tvtv.us/nm/farmington/lu36392
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I couldn't help myself and I clicked on the post.
Fox Sports 1 Dish: 150
Fox Sports 1 Sudden Link: 56
Fox Sports 1 Comcast: 328
http://www.foxsports.com/other/story/find-fox-sports-1-on-your-tv-020214
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I couldn't help myself and I clicked on the post.
Fox Sports 1 Dish: 150
Fox Sports 1 Sudden Link: 56
Fox Sports 1 Comcast: 328
http://www.foxsports.com/other/story/find-fox-sports-1-on-your-tv-020214
Look again.
Fox Sports 1 Dish: 150 -- not part of the basic package, as indicated at the link
Fox Sports 1 Sudden Link: 56 -- though I left in August, at least at that time it was not part of the basic package, and that listing does not distinguish between the basic and premium packages.
Fox Sports 1 Comcast: 328 -- I just checked right now, and it is available only by special order as a premium channel, and the link I posted also does not reflect it is available.
When it is not available on the basic package, for all intents and purposes, it is not available to viewers with those subscription packages.
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I couldn't help myself and I clicked on the post.
Fox Sports 1 Dish: 150
Fox Sports 1 Sudden Link: 56
Fox Sports 1 Comcast: 328
http://www.foxsports.com/other/story/find-fox-sports-1-on-your-tv-020214
Thanks for saving me the time to do that.
When did you live in those places? If it was before the summer of 2013, you are correct that you didn't get FS1 because the network didn't exist.
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So, it was available but you were too cheap to get it. That seems about right.
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So, it was available but you were too cheap to get it. That seems about right.
When you are living in someone else's home, you don't determine the cable package.
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It's on basic here.
It replaced the Speed Channel. I was happy.
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Same for me JBN.
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Well, somehow I've stumbled upon a free ticket for tonight's game and will be in attendance.
Anyone else here going to be amongst the NYC faithful tonight?
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Well, somehow I've stumbled upon a free ticket for tonight's game and will be in attendance.
Anyone else here going to be amongst the NYC faithful tonight?
A FREE ticket.... lucky stiff.
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Bully, Enjoy👍⚾️👊
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Well, somehow I've stumbled upon a free ticket for tonight's game and will be in attendance.
Anyone else here going to be amongst the NYC faithful tonight?
How many times did you have to shoot him?
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Roster set. Quintin Berry replaces Addison Russell. No other changes.
PITCHERS (11)
28-Kyle Hendricks, RHP
33-Clayton Richard, LHP
34-Jon Lester, LHP
37-Travis Wood, LHP
39-Jason Hammel, RHP
46-Pedro Strop, RHP
49-Jake Arrieta, RHP
52-Justin Grimm, RHP
53-Trevor Cahill, RHP
56-Hector Rondon, RHP
57-Fernando Rodney, RHP
POSITION PLAYERS (14)
3-David Ross
5-Quintin Berry
8-Chris Coghlan
9-Javier Baez
11-Tommy La Stella
12-Kyle Schwarber
13-Starlin Castro
15-Chris Denorfia
17-Kris Bryant
24-Dexter Fowler
27-Austin Jackson
44-Anthony Rizzo
47-Miguel Montero
68-Jorge Soler
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So no Dan Haren or Jason Motte. Interesting.
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I'd imagine 11 pitchers should suffice, when everybody is super well rested to start with, and there are two off days in between. Only once will they have a 3-days-straight game schedule.
Plus I'm guessing that if either Lester or Arrieta aren't pitching well enough to give 6 innings or more in each of their starts, the series isn't likely to be going well for us anyway. I like it.
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Some notes from my trip to IL...
One of the definite highlights of my two days at Wrigley happened on the L ride on Monday afternoon. I met an older couple named Bob and Lenore, who had to have been in their late 80s. Lenore, wearing her “lucky hat” signed by Ernie Banks, told me that she grew up across from Wrigley Field, and she used to wait after the games at the parking lot and collect autographs from the Cubs and visiting players, including Dizzy Dean. While in high school, she cleaned her room and threw them all away!
Bob: "And I married her anyway."
She also told me about staying up all night with a friend to get tickets to the World Series games (bleacher seats were 60 cents then). After staying up the whole night, they ended up going home at 10am and calling it a day. (Not sure when the tickets were to go on sale.) She said, "I didn't know it was a big deal."
She clearly does now.
Meeting them definitely played into my decision to return to the park on Tuesday (I didn’t have a ticket for Game 4 as of the morning of the game.) You just never know…
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Other highlights:
- The atmosphere in Wrigleyville! I took selfies with the Bleacher Preacher, a guy dressed like Doc from Back to the Future, two guys with Arrieta beards, and a Harry Carey impersonator, in full 80s Cubs garb with an oversized WGN microphone. People are giddy.
- And, confident. The crowd just doesn’t seem to have the vibe it had in ’07 and ’08. Whatever Maddon and the baby bears on the field are smokin’, the crowd seems to have had some as well.
- Had a hunch, and took a video of the Bryant homer on Monday. My Facebook post from Monday morning was something about it feeling like Christmas, and asking Santa for either a Bryant or Rizzo HR. (Didn't think to ask for both, and 4 others.) I owe Santa some serious milk and cookies.
- Sat in the bleachers on Tuesday and weather-wise, I felt like I was at 3 different games. It was downright hot for the first few innings with the sun right in our faces, and felt like a summer day at Wrigley. Fowler threw two balls right at our section, and no one saw them until they pretty much hit someone in the face. Then after some crazy shadows, the sun finally moved behind the stadium and it felt more like a 3:05 start late in the year. Chilly, with the lights starting to take over. The last few innings felt like a night game. Pretty wild to experience all 3 in one game.
- I moved into the rest of the park for the 9th and found a spot to stand about 30 rows from the field, just off 3rd base. On the final strike, which I took a video of, the park went absolutely bonkers. Strangers hugging. People tearing up. Two rounds of Go Cubs Go. It was incredible.
- If I hadn’t had a plane to catch, I’d have stayed til they kicked me out. But as it was, I had to leave and get my luggage that I’d checked at Clark and Addison. Got my bag and tried to get to the L, but the street was completely blocked off! I ended up having to run close to a mile to get to the Sheridan stop, dragging my rollerbag behind me. Definitely something I won’t forget, at least not until I’m older than Bob and Lenore. And DaveP.
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Lastly, you guys would be proud of this. Sitting in the bleachers on Tuesday, talking to the guys next to me and commenting on the lineups, moves during the game, etc. I had talked about Hammel handling the bat well prior to his hit. Before Javi hit the huge HR, I had JUST said that he could square one up and put it in the seats. Then after Pham pinch-hit for Lackey, I commented on how huge that was, to have not only gotten Lackey out of the game, but also to have burned one of Matheny’s better hitters off the bench so early on. The guy in front of me turned around and said, “You are amazing. I feel like I have a radio announcer in my ear!” Props to the BBF for my education. ;)
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Some notes from my trip to IL...
One of the definite highlights of my two days at Wrigley happened on the L ride on Monday afternoon. I met an older couple named Bob and Lenore, who had to have been in their late 80s. Lenore, wearing her “lucky hat” signed by Ernie Banks, told me that she grew up across from Wrigley Field, and she used to wait after the games at the parking lot and collect autographs from the Cubs and visiting players, including Dizzy Dean. While in high school, she cleaned her room and threw them all away!
Bob: "And I married her anyway."
She also told me about staying up all night with a friend to get tickets to the World Series games (bleacher seats were 60 cents then). After staying up the whole night, they ended up going home at 10am and calling it a day. (Not sure when the tickets were to go on sale.) She said, "I didn't know it was a big deal."
She clearly does now.
Meeting them definitely played into my decision to return to the park on Tuesday (I didn’t have a ticket for Game 4 as of the morning of the game.) You just never know…
Great story.
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Fantastic stuff Di. Thanks for sharing. I am a little sad that I haven't been able to go. If they make it to the series I am finding my way to Wrigley somehow.
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Thinking of the game tonight... it would be such a huge game to win. If we win this one then you obviously only need 3 more. For the next 5 games, 3 are at Wrigley and the 2 on the road will be pitched by Arrieta. We would really be in such great shape. Hopefully Lester has it going tonight and the young guna can get a few big hits to get us game 1.
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Definitely something I won’t forget, at least not until I’m older than Bob and Lenore. And DaveP.
At least you aren't silly enough to think you won't forget it until you are as old as CurtOne. My mother wanted to get as old as CurtOne, and didn't even come close.
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When I go to games with her all she wants to do is fight...
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Cubs- Fowler, Schwarber, Bryant, Rizzo, Castro, Soler, Baez, Ross, Lester
Mets- Granderson, Wright, Murphy, Cespedes, d'Arnaud, Cuddyer (1B), Flores, Lagares, Harvey
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Thanks Di...loved the report. Being a former Chicagoan, I can see the couple on the L, vividly as I read. Thanks
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So Montero with his success against Harvey has to sit.
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Syndergaard is pitching game 2. It will be interesting to see how he performs. He was up and down in the bullpen 4 times and threw roughly 100 pitches warming up plus whatever he threw in the game. Matz will start game 4 vs Hammel.
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Reports of 100 bullpen throws by Thor on Thursday seem to be grossly exaggerated.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BNightengale/status/655500511215489029
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Hi from Citi Field! 45 degrees with a steady 15 mph wind howling in from left. May help our lefties a bit but it's going to take same oomph for a righty to pull one out tonight...
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Dusty predicted the Cardinals would defeat the Cubs and now he's predicting the Mets win tonight's game. Sheffield did as well, with Pedro being the only one of the three predicting the Cubs will win tonight's game. FWIW.
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Every Saturday afternoon I take the L home (Belmont stop) from the Clark & Division stop. I always get a seat, but today the cars were full. The reason was that there were tons of people heading to the Wrigley Field area to watch the game in bars near Wrigley. You would have thought there was a game there today.
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Now blowing out to right... Hmmm
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Here we go!!!!
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Bully - Find a way to pull this one out for us!
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It would be nice to take the Mets crowd out of the game early on.
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That 3rd K by Schwarber was one of the worst swings I have ever seen from a major league hitter.
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Easy inning for Harvey
Bad thing about Lester pitching is the Cubs don't seem to score for him.
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Didn't have particularly good at bats there and Harvey looked pretty good. Going to need Lester to be on tonight. Hopefully he doesn't give up a first inning run like he has the last couple of starts.
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That was lousy.
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If that is the way Harvey is going to pitch tonight, Lester better pitch a shutout and hope for extra innings.
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That was an ugly, beautiful catch by Schwarber.
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F-ing Lester
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Don't pitch to Murphy anymore.
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Again Lester gives up a first inning run. Hopefully he settles down like he has in the past few starts. But that was one terrible pitch. The only place you don't want to pitch a lefty that is that hot.
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Not a good start. Long way to go.
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Cubs look stupid.
At the rate they are hitting this game will be over by 8:00
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Well.. No one looks good right now.
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Considering how poorly Soler did early in the season in cold weather, I am not expecting anything from him tonight. I would rather see Coghlan.
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Soler reminding me of how poorly he played when it was cold weather early in the season. Didn't look comfortable in his AB.
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48°F at the stadium is not that cold.
Lester stinks early on and the Cubs just don't score for him. Can't give up much more.
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Nice play by Baez.
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Very adept play by Baez. Impressive.
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An excellent play by Baez. He made an extremely difficult play look easy.
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Umpire fairly consistently calling a wide strike zone on the outside of the plate. Not going to make it easy for hitters.
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Baez weak bouncer.
This inning is over with Ross and Lester up next.
Maybe they can get something going in the 4th.
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Not a big fan of the Winter clothing some Cubs are wearing on the field. Just makes you acutely aware of the playing conditions. Harvey is pitching in short sleeves.
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Ummmm. Ross almost with HR - just foul. Easily hardest hit ball against Harvey so far.
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Ross misses a HR by inches.
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If this were the Cubs day, that would have been a couple of feet fair instead of a couple of feet foul
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Harvey has the freezing Cubs hitless and no base runners through three.
Not even that cold out and these guys are dressed for Alaska. WTF?
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Harvey has been really good so far. Hopefully that doesn't last. Lester seems like he's been pretty good too (except pitch to Murphy, who also has 3 HR off Kershaw and Greineke), but not as good as Harvey so far. One caveat - Lester is missing way off the plate fairly often. Lots of time left though. This team has shown it can come back after starting out slow.
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Almost the same start as game 1 of the NLDS.
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Cubs trailed in every NLCS game as well.
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Lester doesn't look great, but he seems to have settled down. Let's see if we can do something second time through. Hopefully we hit some balls hard now.
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10 up. 10 down.
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11 up, 11 down.
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That was a smash by Schwarber, too bad they were shifting on him.
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Scwarber hits a line shot through the middle, but it's snagged by a leaping Flores.
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These guys look like ****
12 in a row
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Am I watching game 1 of the NLDS again?
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Chicagos hitters look incompetent.. Like they never saw a baseball before.
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Harvey is really hits spots and mixing his pitches very well.
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Running on Lester as usual.
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Looked to me that had Baez fielded Ross' throw the Cubs might have had Wright on the stolen base. Not sure though.
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Lester certainly looked better on Murphy and Cespedes this inning.
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Jayson Stark @jaysonst 2m2 minutes ago
More Daniel Murphy Strange But True-ness: He was the toughest NL hitter to strike out this year, then struck out with David Wright on 2nd
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Maybe Rizzo can get the offense going here.
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This will be the inning the Cubs break through.
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Rizzo gets plunked.
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Double. Tie game. YES!!!
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Nice call br.
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STARLIN!!!
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Bad, terrible baseball by Soler.
Got to get him to 3rd in that spot.
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Not a good at bat for Soler, chasing balls low and outside, swinging way off balance.
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If they were smart they'd walk Baez
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Why did Castro go???
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Castro can't run. He was thrown out by a lot.
Another stupid send.
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Ugh, terrible send. Cespedes has a rocket arm, and Castro was barely around third base. Brutal.
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But when you Ross up I guess you have no choice.
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Had to send him with Ross and Lester coming up
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Baez steals second and goes to 3rd on the overthrow!
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Sorry they sent Castro, and also sorry Baez didn't make it to second on the play. Never mind ... I guess he figured it would be better to steal third and make them throw the ball into center field.
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IBB to Ross? Okay...I'm fine with them clearing the pitcher for us this inning.
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Have to send him with Ross and Lester up next
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This game is a good reminder why Baez was a top cubs prospect less than two years ago.
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Ross being walked.
Lester up.
Hold them next inning and maybe the top of the order will come through in the 6th.
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Had to send him with Ross and Lester coming up
Not if it's going to be an automatic out, which it was. Maybe Ross can make contact and get the runner home. But if he doesn't, you at least clear the pitcher this inning.
As it turns out, they got past the pitcher anyway. But still a really dumb send.
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Saying Lester is challeged as a hitter is like saying peace in the Middle East is a tiny bit exclusive
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If Soler would have done his job and moved the runner to third, Cubs would be leading now.
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OK, back in it, top of the lineup up next inning. Gotta put a zero here Lester. Get Fowler up.
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Never an automatic out on OF throw. Cespedes strong arm but sometimes inaccurate.
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Have to send him with Ross and Lester up next
I understand the reasoning. Just a tough send given who the left fielder is. Lester did come within inches of a HR in his first at bat - he's not exactly an automatic out. And IF Castro had not been sent, and Baez stole second with an overthow that would have been another run. But I am aware that you can't assume it would have played out that way. I know it's the conventional thing to do, but that doesn't mean I don't regret it.
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Nice play by Rizzo and almost resulted in a DP.
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That would have been a DP but of course, Bryant drops the ball. Two down.
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Sloppy transfer from Bryant keeps the inning alive, though.
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@#@$
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Sloppy defense costs the Cubs a run.
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Sloppy **** baseball and the Mets lead.
The Cubs did this to themselves.
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Not a good 0-2 pitch by Lester. That and Bryant dropping the DP ball cost the Cubs the lead.
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And BABIP has killed the Cubs this inning too. At least 2 of the 3 hits have been pure BABIP bad luck.
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Jayson Stark @jaysonst 8m8 minutes ago
Matt Harvey has 8 HBPs of LH hitters in his career. 5 of them are Anthony Rizzo (2) & Chase Utley (3).
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That 0-2 pitch to Granderson was terrible. You have to bury that pitch. Ugh. All the momentum gone.
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Just bad baseball.
Bad hitting, bad base running, bad pitching, bad fielding.
Amazing they are only down 2-1.
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What a terrible half inning. I just don't trust Bryant at third.
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Bryant owes lester.. That drop was terrible
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Just think how they could be if they didn't make so many sloppy/rookie mistakes.
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Could have easily been much worse. The good news is that Harvey looked vulnerable last inning. Hopefully the Cubs can gets some solid hits this inning, with the top of their lineup up and take the lead.
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Gary Jones only runs on Heyward and Cespedes. This man is a genius.
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How did Fowler not beat that out?
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Every liner we hit is finding a glove while they bloop us to death.
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Hitting the ball right at them. Mets are catching all the breaks. Going to need some luck to go our way to win this one.
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9-outs left.
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Some bad luck for the Cubs on two shots back up the middle. I thought Fowler was going to be safe on his.
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6 outs left. Their closer is nearly unhittable.
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Familia may go two innings too. We need to do something with Rizzo leading off next inning. If Ross comes up, you pinch hit.
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Baez and Rizzo with really, really good defensive plays.
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Montero should've been in this game. Is Ross going to be on the roster until Lester's contract expires?
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That's the game.
Cubs have dropped game 1.
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Well that makes it a lot tougher.
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Lester seemed robbed on his curve. Then on a 3-1 count gives up a HR on a pitch down the middle of the plate.
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Hopefully they can get a split here. I wouldn't count on it.
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Lester coming through in these big games.
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What a frustrating game. Every bit of BABIP luck has gone the Mets' way. The one sloppy defensive play of the night ends up resulting in a run one batter later. Cubs run into a key out at home. Just no breaks at all tonight.
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Jeez, from this game so far, if you didn't know better you might think the Mets had really good pitching and some good hitters.
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Not all Lester's fault, but he's not worth what they paid him.
Bad hitting and stupid Bryant at 3rd did this game in.
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Guess Sharma peeks into our message board now and then.
Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma 22s22 seconds ago
Well, this game is over. As we all know, the Cubs have never come back after trailing by 2 runs, nor have they ever scored more than 3 runs.
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So far, seems like Rizzo may not be seeing Harvey very well.
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As he draws a walk.
Maybe Castro can do something
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Yet another liner right at someone.
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Of course, it's smacked right at someone.
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Gloom and doom. It is only the first game.
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Finally a break on a Harvey error. They're calling it an infield hit.
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Huge AB for Baez...
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He k's on 3. Yuck.
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Baez blown away on 3 pitches.
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Oh man. Baez jus had a pitch to hit. Then a good pitch for strike two. Then whiffs at strike three on a pitch just off the plate (but one that has been called a strike more often than not). That first pitch was the one good opportunity he had.
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La Stella K's.
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1-5 w/ RISP and that one hit resulted in a runner thrown out at home.
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Mets give them two extra outs that inning, and they can't do anything with them.
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Harvey pitched like an ace tonight. Lester didn't.
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Harvey pitched like an ace tonight. Lester didn't.
Pretty much agree. I don't think Lester pitch badly, but he certainly was not at his best, did not have great command and a couple of mistake pitches (at least one of them on a 0-2 count) led to two HRs. But Harvey has been really, really good.
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Balls off the end of the Mets' bats just keep falling. Every line drive hit by the Cubs is right at someone.
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Harvey gives up line drives for outs. Lester gives up softly hit fly balls for hits.
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Not over yet. Their balls finding holes; our rockets are not. Plus, three key plays: (1) Castro not getting to third on his double; (2) Bryant's drop; and (3) the beautiful curve to D'Arneaud being called a ball.
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BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO
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Poor defense = loss
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The Cubs just gave Lagares third base. You can't shift like that with a fast runner on second base.
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Surprised Lester came out for the 7th. More surprised that LaStella stays in with Baez out and Castro moving to SS. Weakens defense at two positions.
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Nice positioning montero.
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Just brutal decision to give Lagares third base.
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Few if any worse people in this world than an arrogant new yorker.. Go go climate change
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Mets just out-playing the Cubs in this game so far.
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Lester sucked. (Mr. waste of money)
Defense sucked.
Hitting sucked.
Base running sucked.
The good news is that there is a slim chance they get out of that crap hole city with a split.
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Can anyone help me understand why LaStella stayed in, in effect replacing Baez? I'm sure Joe had a good reason, but what was it?
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Double switch?
What else would it be?
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He probably likes La Stella's bat better against Familia if they get that far.
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Baez vs Familia splitter might be ugly.
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Two base runners needed.
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BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO
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They can just leave Harvey in. It's not going to make a bit of difference.
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Schwarber HR. Ho, hum.
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This Schwarber kid is kinda good.
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4-2 on a Schwarber homer.
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And the Mets weakly hit balls are the difference in the game.
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Doesn't mean much if they are solo shots at this point.
Unless they can hit 3 more in a row.
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Too bad the Cubs have just given the Mets two runs tonight. First the Bryant dropped double play, then just giving Lagares third base last inning.
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He probably likes La Stella's bat better against Familia if they get that far.
Baez vs Familia splitter might be ugly.
Thanks, guys.
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Need just one aserunner to get the tying run up .
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Fortunately these Cubs don't give up with outs still left to play.
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Bryant quickly down 0-2 again. Can Joe please get him out of the #3 spot?
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Time to drop Bryant.. Castro is more dangerous right now.
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At least Bryant is battling this time.
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Walk for Bryant!
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Bryant walks. Actually a nice AB.
Still should be hitting 5th or 6th tomorrow, though.
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Ugh.
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Good at bat.
But not by Rizzo. That was dumb.
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Fowler
Casto
Schwaber
Rizzo
Bryant
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Bryant and Rizzo are now a combined 6 for 43 (.140) on the postseason. It really is a miracle the Cubs have made it this far with those guys being this bad.
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Really good AB by Bryant. Rizzo not so much. For most of the NLDS Rizzo simply wasn't hitting the ball hard, but in the last couple of games it looked like he was back to normal. Not hitting the ball hard today at all though. Hope it's a blip. I think the Cubs are going to need his big bat in the NLCS.
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Oh, man. La Stella did not look good on that play. Took a while getting the ball thrown but then shoveled the ball gently instead of throwing it with some authority.
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John Baker tweeted that the pop up he hit in the first was just barely off. He mentioned that it was closer to a HR than a ball hit a few feet from the track. FWIW.
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I was wondering about the play at home where Montero received the ball well behind home plate, making the tag late though the Schwarber throw got there ahead of the runner. Saw this twitter conversation involving John Baker.
John Baker @manbearwolf 7m7 minutes ago
John Baker Retweeted Spencer
To make sure he caught the ball. Tough read. could have tried to get closer to the plate. John Baker added,
Spencer @sbp_21
@manbearwolf did you see the montero play? why was he set up to receive the ball behind home plate
Boutros B. Ghali
@CottonSpew
@manbearwolf @sbp_21 Good throw/bad throw? Almost got it there, but Montero had to play bounce. That's what I saw but I'm a simpleton
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With no one else on base, why ensure you catch the ball if you don't give yourself a chance to tag the runner out?
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Cubs played like a Matthew McConaughey Lincoln commercial
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Cahill got the win Tuesday. ..history?
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Ridiculous 1-0 call goes against Castro. Should've walked by now, but it's 3-1. Now 3-2.
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And Castro pops out. Umpire takes away a base runner.
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Ridiculous 1-0 call goes against Castro. Should've walked by now, but it's 3-1. Now 3-2.
Either pitch trax is off or that ball was way inside. I will say that some of the pitch trax readings have seemed different than the eyeball appearance on tv.
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Soler Ks.
Really ugly game tonight for the Cubs. Hopefully it's rust from being off for 3 days and they'll play better tomorrow.
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Soler really had a bad game tonight. Hope he's not going to consistently struggle in cold weather.
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TBS's strike zone graphic sucks, but that 1-0 pitch to Castro was definitely way inside.
La Stella up now with 2 outs an da runner on. Let's see if Maddon's switch at second base pays off.
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Poop
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Again the Cubs hit it right at 'em.
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Murphy robs La Stella. I guess this game had to end on a Cub smash that should've been a hit.
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Bad luck and a couple breakdowns at key moments. Get me tomorrow.
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Well, season might be on the line tomorrow. I don't like our chances if we have to rely on Hendricks and Hammel to win 2 games. Needed to win 3 out of 4 of the games Arrieta and Lester started. We just gave them one of the 4. Can't afford to make it 2. Win tomorrow and we can still take this in 6.
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Baseball is a difficult game. Sometimes players are less than perfect (for example, Bryan losing ball on transfer) and sometimes very good hitters struggle against very good pitching. I kinda doubt anyone assumed the Cubs were going to have a cakewalk through the Mets pitchers.
The kind of amazing thing to me is that Kyle Schwarber, the least experienced Cub hitter, hit Harvey better than anyone else (both his HR and his shot through the middle).
If Arrieta can return to form and the Cubs put together some hits, the Cubs can still leave NYC with a split, which would be a pretty good outcome after two away games.
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Tough one tonight. Too many little things went against us, both in terms of luck, and a handful of bad plays/decisions.
Gotta get tomorrow's game. If we do, I like our chances. If not, pretty hard to envision winning 4 of 5, with H+H pitching 3 times.
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I'm happy for the Mets fans who got to see a win. It's their last one this year.
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I like the attitude and spirit of Dihard and Curt! And the Cub themselves!
David Ross: “It’s the playoffs. Every inch matters. You got to make plays. And they made more plays today than we did.” #Cubs #Mets
Patrick Mooney @CSNMooney 1h1 hour ago
Rizzo shrugged and said Harvey had fastball/changeup/slider/curveball working: "At the end of the day, they just played better than us.”
Carrie Muskat @CarrieMuskat 1h1 hour ago
#Cubs Ross said Lester pitched well even though he didn't have his best stuff. Says with 7 game series, there's lots of baseball left
Carrie Muskat @CarrieMuskat 1h1 hour ago
Don't worry, #Cubs fans. Fowler says: "Don't panic. C'mon. We hit balls way harder tonight than we hit off Lackey" in Game 1 of NLDS
Carrie Muskat @CarrieMuskat 1h1 hour ago
#Cubs Schwarber: "It's a seven game series. We've got time, we don't have to panic. They beat us today. It happens"
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Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs 2h2 hours ago
Maddon on Castro send: Gary Jones has been aggressive all year and I never second guess him
Seems like less than a ringing endorsement, but maybe I'm wrong.
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Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs 2h2 hours ago
Maddon on Castro send: Gary Jones has been aggressive all year and I never second guess him
Seems like less than a ringing endorsement, but maybe I'm wrong.
With one out and Ross and Lester due up, it was probably our best scoring chance in the inning.
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Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs 2h2 hours ago
Maddon on Castro send: Gary Jones has been aggressive all year and I never second guess him
Seems like less than a ringing endorsement, but maybe I'm wrong.
Watched the video when Maddon said that and my impression is that Maddon didn't care for the send. Implicit in his remarks, I think. Also, one account said Castro hesitated before breaking toward 3B because wasn't sure ball would clear the infield. Further, Castro probably could have had a triple on his own hit but hesitated out of the box to watch the ball. In the end, that night have cost the run.
Maddon also said he asked Montero about his behind-the-plate set-up on the Schwarber throw home. Didn't want him there, typically, but Montero said didn't think he could have caught throw if set up closer to plate. Not sure about that. Really had no chance for an out set up behind plate like that.
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http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13902322/back-future-screenwriter-bob-gale-discusses-prediction-cubs-2015-world-series-champions
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Surprised of all the criticism in Montero. I watched that thing come in hot and him readjust backwards. Truthfully I was surprised he came up with it where he did.
The route Lagares took was the worst I've seen in a professional game live... Literally took two steps in before it flew over his head. JV baseball stuff.
We hit a lot of balls very hard at people..
Dead horse.. But please put Bryant in the corner outfield next year. I saw this as the biggest downfall of the Russell injury. Otherwise Baez plays 3rd, Bryant/Schwarber in the corners. The inning he bobbled the transfer, two other balls zoomed past him that a gold glover may pick, and an above average guy gets a glove on. He just looks too big over there.
Soler looked very cold.
Schwarbers home run came off like a cannon. That was really something.
As I was in despair late in the game, I saw a loose Cubs dugout..:: dexter with a big smile.... They understand the ins and outs while we live and die with each play. This is probably a good thing.
Get em tonight ..
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Disappointed not disheartened, Cubs will go get them this evening.
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All the panic is indeed overblown, if entirely inevitable. But the Cubs really do need to win tonight, no ifs and or buts. If we go home down 0-2 with two straight bullpen days against DeGrom and Matz, we're in big, big trouble. That's pressure whether anyone wants to admit it or not.
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We hit a lot of balls very hard at people..
That may sound like sour grapes to some Mets fans but I read an Associated Press report that said the same thing.
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Game time temperature in New York expected to be 44°
http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/new-york/hourly
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http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13902322/back-future-screenwriter-bob-gale-discusses-prediction-cubs-2015-world-series-champions
Claudia Wells > Elizabeth Shue...back in the day
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Jesse Rogers @ESPNChiCubs 2h2 hours ago
Maddon on Castro send: Gary Jones has been aggressive all year and I never second guess him
Seems like less than a ringing endorsement, but maybe I'm wrong.
I didn't think that was a bad send. You had Ross and Lester coming up as the next two hitters. Just didn't work out.
Edit: Or what CurtOne said.
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Fowler, Schwarber, Bryant, Rizzo, Castro, Coghlan, Montero, Baez, Arrieta
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Hopefully Coghlan has a big night. I'm definitely ok with giving Soler a night off, given the forecast and how uncomfortable he looked last night.
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Collins also feels the need to get game 4 starter Matz into the game today. Hopefully the Cubs will help and knock out Syndergaard early.
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Listened to Ross on MLB radio.
Lester did not have his cutter last night. It was either movement or control or both of the cutter yesterday
From the MLB Network. Exit velocities of all balls in play excluding bunts. Cubs 88.9. Mets 80.2.
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Tonight is big.
If we dont win tonight it's gonna be hard to win this series.
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True. Down 2 - 0 with Arrieta already used would look pretty grim.
But the Cubs were not exactly dominated yesterday. I think they have a decent chance to go to Chicago one and one.
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Rizzo blown away again.
At least they got a base hit.
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Syndergaard with 20 pitches in the first. Hopefully they continue to get him to rack up high pitch counts.
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Made him work a little. Let's hope Arrieta is on tonight.
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More BABIP luck for the Mets as Granderson sneaks one through the shift.
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Down early...again.
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Just like that, already down 1-0.
Bad time for Arrieta to finally start wearing down.
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The Mets may sweep them.
Are the Cubs cold again?
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This is simply not the Arrieta we saw the second half of the season. He has pitched over 240 innings this year, 90 more than ever before. That's a big work load, and in spite of his exceptional condition and work habits, he is human, after all.
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Sigh....
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Geez, what has gotten into Daniel Murphy? 3-0. Game probably over already.
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This game is so over.
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Well, this is a disaster. Daniel Murphy again? Unreal. No outs yet and we're down 3-0. It will take a small miracle to win this series now.
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Arrieta has to be injured or in a "dead arm" phase, bc he's got nothing. Get Wood up and ready... hes throwing low 90s ... has no location ..
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Here's an idea. Don't pitch Murphy inside.
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How many times are they going to replay this stupid Murphy homer?
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Arrieta about to throw his 30th pitch in the first inning.
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Reminding myself what a great season and Wild Card and NLDS playoffs right now. Hoping that the Cub hitters will get to Syndergaard even after he looked so dominating in the first inning, just as they did to Lackey.
I want the Cubs to win the NLCS and even the World Series. But if they do fall short, which will be awfully likely if they lose tonight, especially with Arrieta having seemingly lost his dominating effectiveness, it will still be a great season to remember for years.
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And they won the NLDS with almost no hitting from Rizzo and Bryant. I see this as a building and learning experience for future seasons.
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As to Arrieta:
Mark Gonzales @MDGonzales 4m4 minutes ago Queens, NY
30-pitch 1st for Arrieta. Didn't see any fastballs clocked at 95 mph
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Well, that Granderson catch kind of tells the story for this series. We're screwed it looks like.
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Damn. Granderson robs Coghlin of a HR.
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Unbelievable, are the Cubs going to catch a single break in this series?
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Murphy's HR had an exit velocity of 91 mph. Less than 1% of balls hit that hard end up as a HR. Goc hates us.
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They just said that this was the first time in his two years with the Mets that Granderson had "brought one back." Cubs definitely not getting breaks in this series so far.
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Bruce Miles @BruceMiles2112 1m1 minute ago
A 13-pitch second for Arrieta as command looked sharper. #Cubs
Yes, although going 3-2 on the pitcher before striking him out is sure not characteristic Arrieta.
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Baez channeling Castro on that last swing.
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Fowler walks with two outs. Would be a nice time for another Schwarber homer.
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Reminding myself of the 2004 Red Socks-Yankees series. Cubs in no where near the trouble Red Socks were then. :-\
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Maybe Cubs need to do it Red Sox-like, given the karma.
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Can never prove it, but feels as though home field has proven huge. Couldn't be better for Mets' young power pitchers to be pitching at home at night in freezing weather with crowd going crazy.
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Not sure what's worse: the fact the Cubs' season is once again going down the toilet in meek fashion, or the realization that they might've gotten Syndergaard or DeGrom with just a bit of effort.
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I'd take Arrieta out. This game is done. If by some miracle we win 2 of 3 at Wrigley, we're going to need him in game 6 so sit him down and let him rest.
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Not sure what's worse: the fact the Cubs' season is once again going down the toilet in meek fashion, or the realization that they might've gotten Syndergaard or DeGrom with just a bit of effort.
Yeah, too bad these guys don't give much effort. Jeez. Get real.
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The Cubs look cold.
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Yeah, too bad these guys don't give much effort. Jeez. Get real.
They're being embarrassed. Get real yourself.
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Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma 11m11 minutes ago
The worst part of the TBS graphic is that it's completely screwing up my general knowledge of the strike zone. It's scrambling my brain.
I thought maybe it was just me, but I agree with this. I don't remember any strike zone graphic ever being so out-of-sync with what I think I'm seeing in terms of where the pitches are going. I'm not sure it's fair to get on the umpires for being inconsistent with that graphic.
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They're being embarrassed. Get real yourself.
Not because of lack of effort, Chris. It's ridiculous to accuse this team of not giving effort. You undermine your own credibility by doing it.
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Not because of lack of effort, Chris. It's ridiculous to accuse this team of not giving effort. You undermine your own credibility by doing it.
Sure, had I ever said anything about effort.
But keep the flames burning.
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Bryant and Rizzo have just been terrible.
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Rizzo continuing his funk at the plate. Every player goes through this sort of thing. Just too bad it's happening now.
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1 hit. That's it. A 2 out hit in the first and nothing else in 4 innings.
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How many times are they going to replay this stupid Murphy homer?
Ha! I was wondering the exact same thing.
Just hopefully the Cubs can get some runs soon. Someone needs to drill Murphy and Granderson. :)
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Chris, here is the sequence. I’ve placed in bold the relevant portions.
Not sure what's worse: the fact the Cubs' season is once again going down the toilet in meek fashion, or the realization that they might've gotten Syndergaard or DeGrom with just a bit of effort.
Yeah, too bad these guys don't give much effort. Jeez. Get real.
They're being embarrassed. Get real yourself.
Not because of lack of effort, Chris. It's ridiculous to accuse this team of not giving effort. You undermine your own credibility by doing it.
Sure, had I ever said anything about effort.
But keep the flames burning.
Perhaps you meant something other than what you wrote. Are you not aware of what you are writing when you write it? Did you not bother to go back and see what I was referencing? Seriously?
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I was referring to acquiring DeGrom or Syndergarrd prior to the season when those rumors were everywhere.
Not hitting them has nothing to do with effort. It has to do with a lineup that relies on homers and walks, and strikes out at a prodigious pace.
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I don't see how the Cubs' effort can be questioned so far. Harvey and Syndegaard are both really good pitchers, and they've been on top of their games so far. Not much you can do about that.
Hopefully we can get a couple with the top of the order coming up and can get to their bullpen later.
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So far it looks like they used everything up getting past the Cardinals. Maybe things will change when they get back to Wrigley.
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I have to say that even though Arrieta isn't anywhere near his best, he's been pretty darned good, considering, since the first inning. Before the game the one of the announcers said that Arrieta had decided to do less prep because of the increased adrenaline the post-season produces. Is it possible that strategy backfired, I wonder?
Can the Cub hitters still come back?
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Jayson Stark @jaysonst 4m4 minutes ago
Fun fact: Since the first 3 hitters of the game, Arrieta & Syndergaard both are at 5 IP, 1 hit, 8 K's. But apparently, those first 3 count
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Did you not bother to go back and see what I was referencing? Seriously?
Yeah I did. Did you not notice my comment included DeGrom who the Cubs haven't faced yet?
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That was a huge strike 2 call on Schwarber.
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Cubs finally on the board on a Bryant double. Also, a good game by Bryant? That's a rarity so far.
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Surprised they're taking Syndergaard out. Hopefully Rizzo can come through here.
Glad to be in the Mets bullpen in the 6th.
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Rizzo Ks on ball 4. So his terrible postseason continues.
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There is a lot of young talent in this series.
David Kaplan Retweeted
Ace of MLB Stats @theaceofspaeder 53s54 seconds ago
#Mets Noah Syndergaard is the youngest pitcher in baseball history to have at least 9 K in multiple games during a single #postseason.
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Ugh, there was a 0% chance that pitch was going to be anywhere near the strike zone ...
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We need Bartolo to make an appearance.
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What we need more than anything is Rizzo to start hitting.
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Bryant and Cespedes balls are both harder hit balls than Murphy's HR.
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Cubs pen > Mets pen
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Cubs pen > Mets pen
Maybe. But can't knock the Cubs pen for how they've been in September and October.
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Silver lining report:
ChicagoCubsOnline Retweeted
Daren Willman @darenw 15m15 minutes ago
Kris Bryant's double was hit 111 MPH... That's tied for the hardest ball he's hit all year.
Bryant is 2 for 3 today so far. Maybe he's heating up?
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Cubs hit another line drive right at someone.
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Montero has been even worse than Rizzo in the postseason.
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Oh wait, that was Coghlan, not Montero.
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Too many automatic outs in the lineup right now
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Joe Sheehan @joe_sheehan
The Cubs are hitting .050 on line drives. Approximately.
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Wood has been good again. Struck out 4 of the 6 batters he's faced.
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That first inning is the difference in this game. Overall, the Mets have only 4 hits and 2 walks, vs. the Cubs' 3 hits and 1 walk. Mets got three of those hits and 3 of their 4 runs in the first inning. And of course the two run HR is, itself, the difference. Since that time, the Cubs have matched the Mets.
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I don't see how the Cubs' effort can be questioned so far. Harvey and Syndegaard are both really good pitchers, and they've been on top of their games so far. Not much you can do about that.
Hopefully we can get a couple with the top of the order coming up and can get to their bullpen later.
Jeez, folks, Chris' reference to effort was NOT a reference to the effort of the players on the field, but a reference to the front office not making enough of an effort before the trade deadline to trade for DeGrom or Syndegaard. This should have been clear from the fact that Chris referenced Syndegaard and DeGrom, who has not pitched yet in the series, and that he did NOT mention Harvey.
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Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 6m6 minutes ago
Cubs' pitchers have retired 14 straight hitters, including seven strikeouts. May be too late, though.
Through 7 iP, Cub pitchers have 12 strikouts vs. Met pitchers' 10.
This is a much closer game than it has felt like.
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Cubs just can't get a big hit.
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Cubs just can't get a big hit.
just thinking the same thing. Several chances to close this to one run
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OK, Bryant and Rizzo are up ... rally time.
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Rizzo is an automatic out in the postseason, so the Cubs are working with 2 outs this inning.
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The first two games of this series really couldn't have gone any worse. Cubs are really in trouble, I can't imagine they'll be able to come back.
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"Respect 90"
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Rizzo with some nice hustle!
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Rizzo is an automatic out in the postseason, so the Cubs are working with 2 outs this inning.
Tell that to Kevin Siegrist.
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Okay, fine. Rizzo has been an automatic out unless Kevin Siegrist is on the mound. Unfortunately, Siegrist doesn't pitch for the Mets, Blue Jays, or Royals.
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Another interesting tid bit from tonight's game:
ChicagoCubsOnline Retweeted
Daren Willman @darenw 11m11 minutes ago
Only 2 players this year hit a HR on a lower pitch than the one Daniel Murphy hit tonight... Bryce Harper and Josh Reddick.
As Reb is fond of saying, "that's baseball."
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Mets win. Cubs just can't catch a break.
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Long, hard road back from this one. If you had credible starters going it'd still be tough - as is...
Well - all you can do is play the games. Maybe if the Cubs can somehow steal one from DeGrom with Hendricks going, the Mets will start to feel a little pressure. But the odds against us are pretty long now.
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@thekapman since '85, only 3 out of 25 teams with 2-0 lead have failed to advance to WS. History suggests a 12% chance of Cubs advancing
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Okay, fine. Rizzo has been an automatic out unless Kevin Siegrist is on the mound. Unfortunately, Siegrist doesn't pitch for the Mets, Blue Jays, or Royals.
I've commented on Rizzo's struggles myself. He definitely seems to be a serious slump. But I'm pretty sure that the Mets do not consider Rizzo an automatic out. He's a dangerous hitter because he could break out at any time.
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I'll be shocked if this series goes back to New York.
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I just watched the pre-game show, which I had recorded. Maybe it's because I'm cranky, but my god, are the studio guys annoying. Sheffield is totally worthless, Dusty rarely makes a salient contribution, and they all think they're hilarious, and spend half the broadcast screaming crap and laughing at themselves. Every time you yell "Thor!!!" it does not actually get funnier, Pedro.
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Given another year of development, this offense should be plenty good enough to be a serious threat next October. Even in this series they've hit some balls hard. But it's an absolute must that the Cubs gets two SP this offseason better than their current #3-5 starters.
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Like Joe says, "Just win the next game." "Let's get back to Wrigley, get ready to play." Then go from there.
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We are hitting a lot of attam balls. IF those start finding the holes, we'll be fine. Disheartening to have your best two pitchers fail, but if we can get these next two...
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Jeez, folks, Chris' reference to effort was NOT a reference to the effort of the players on the field, but a reference to the front office not making enough of an effort before the trade deadline to trade for DeGrom or Syndegaard.
Yeah I agree that was Chris's point now that I've had a chance to look back on that.
Not sure the Cubs really were that close to getting either of those guys, but still, I agree he wasn't questioning the Cubs' on the field effort there.
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Yeah I agree that was Chris's point now that I've had a chance to look back on that.
Not sure the Cubs really were that close to getting either of those guys, but still, I agree he wasn't questioning the Cubs' on the field effort there.
I did misunderstand Chris' original post, an apologize for that mistake. But it's also presumptuous, even ludicrous, to suggest that the Cubs could have had DeGrom or Syndegaard with "a little bit of effort."
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Not sure the Cubs really were that close to getting either of those guys
Apparently, making the all-star team makes you some sort of god. Hey, Arrieta hasn't made one.
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/7417714/v35473411/gammons-joins-high-heat-via-gamcam
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But it's also presumptuous, even ludicrous, to suggest that the Cubs could have had DeGrom or Syndegaard with "a little bit of effort."
Yeah. Apparently, the Cubs didn't think that was enough for Castro.
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Given another year of development, this offense should be plenty good enough to be a serious threat next October. Even in this series they've hit some balls hard. But it's an absolute must that the Cubs gets two SP this offseason better than their current #3-5 starters.
Pretty much agree. I think Hendricks would be a very good #5, or maybe a pretty good #4. They definitely need at least a much better #3, and hopefully a better #4 as well.
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Given another year of development, this offense should be plenty good enough to be a serious threat next October.
That's what the Nationals said in 2012.
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Yeah. Apparently, the Cubs didn't think that was enough for Castro.
I wasn't aware that Gammons had become the Cubs' spokesman. The fact that Gammons thought that was not enough says absolutely nothing about what the Cubs thought. Do you honestly believe that Theo Epstein would ever make a categorical statement like we "have to get more than one minor league prospect to give up an all-star short stop?" Seriously, do you think that he ever thinks that simplistically?
In this same interview, Gammons also claimed that Addison Russell is 2 or 3 years away, dismissing the idea of him displacing Castro at SS. Gammons went so far as to state, categorically again, that Castro would be the Cubs SS for the next 2-3 years. Do you honestly believe that represented Theo's view?
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My comment wasn't based on Gammons'.
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Pretty much agree. I think Hendricks would be a very good #5, or maybe a pretty good #4. They definitely need at least a much better #3, and hopefully a better #4 as well.
At this point I think they have a decent #3. The problem is that they don't have a #2.
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My comment wasn't based on Gammons'.
OK. In the post immediately before you provided the Gammons link, in which Gammons said DeGrom or Syndegaard would not be enough for Castro (because he was an all-star SS). And you didn't provide anything else indicating the Cubs thought DeGrom or Syndegaard wasn't enough for Castro. What did you base that claim on then?
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Just some perspective for those that want to upgrade Hendricks/Hammel as a 4/5 in the rotation. They will cost $9.5 million in 2016 and $10.5 million in 2017 if they pick up Hammel's option.
fWAR rankings. 2) Arrieta. 13) Lester. 27) Hendricks 49) Hammel
rWAR rankings. 2) Arrieta. 39) Lester. 99) Hendricks 108) Hammel
ERA. 2) Arrieta 21) Lester 44) Hammel 52) Hendricks
Get Price and have a kick butt rotation or get a really good #3 and have a really above rotation. They only need 1 starter.
Trading for pitchers is a crap shoot, especially pitchers with an injury history. I think you can make a strong case that trading a SS going into his 25 year old season with multiple 3 WAR seasons isn't a smart choice. There was also multiple rumors that the Mets had no interest in Castro.
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I'm getting real scared of Price. I'm not saying he isn't a good pitcher, but he's not worth what his agent will demand. I'd rather go after a slightly lesser pitcher with a reasonable price tag.
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I wouldn't have an issue with that as long as you mean Samardzija 😍. There is a cost/benefit with going after Price. I think he is the Cubs best bet with getting the division and home field, but I can understand the argument against it.
The 2 SP this offseason is the same for me. I think the cost of upgrading 1 of Hammel or Hendricks is going to be too great for the benefit. The Cubs just need 1 more good to great pitcher.
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According to ESPN Stats and Info, Arrieta had an avg velocity of 93 on his fastball, lowest since April 14.
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I think you can make a strong case that trading a SS going into his 25 year old season with multiple 3 WAR seasons isn't a smart choice. There was also multiple rumors that the Mets had no interest in Castro.
I don't really want a complete rehash of the Mets/Cubs rumors, but the Cubs were/are going to have to move a middle infielder. Even with decent offensive production Castro had his issues; defense, lack of speed and walks, brain cramps. I'd suggest selling high on him and getting back an elite arm would've been a very smart choice. Now it looks like a killer miss considering what DeGrom/ Syndergaard/Matz have looked like.
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I would intentionally walk Daniel Boon the rest of his ABs
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That's what the Nationals said in 2012.
You gotta decide where to spend the money - we're not the Yankees or Dodgers. I'd choose to spend it on pitching (and trade Castro+ for another SP).
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One thing I noticed is that was mostly the Latin players on both teams that had the knit hoods. Personally, I think that when possible October games should be played during the day. Might be a few degrees warmer.
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I am incredibly calm about this series. I'm just so delighted with how the Cubs have performed this season, I just can't muster the angst that I would otherwise have in this situation. Sure, I understand the issue of a possible lost opportunity that might not come again for a while. But somehow having a healthy organization with the prospect of watching excellent Cubs baseball for the foreseeable future is more important to me that what happens in a few games now. Strange.
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I am incredibly calm about this series. I'm just so delighted with how the Cubs have performed this season, I just can't muster the angst that I would otherwise have in this situation. Sure, I understand the issue of a possible lost opportunity that might not come again for a while. But somehow having a healthy organization with the prospect of watching excellent Cubs baseball for the foreseeable future is more important to me that what happens in a few games now. Strange.
I actually feel the same way, P2. Watching the Cubs lose isn't fun, but the future is so bright that it's tolerable. Besides, beating the Cardinals, if you live within 50 miles of St. Louis, already makes the season a success. Would I like the Cubs to win and go on to the World Series? Of course, but it won't be as depressing as 2003 or 2008 if they don't.
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I feel the same. In fact, I'm actually still of the mindset that we can win the next 4...
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The future was incredibly bright in '03 as well. Loaded farm system, terrific young pitchers, messiah manager, Tribune spending....
Take nothing for granted.
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I am of the same mindset. This isn't a team built on volatile young arms like 03. This team has plus offensive studs 1-8 and even beyond. Position guys simply don't flame out like young pitching does. I am confident this team will be back in the playoffs consistently for years to come.
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Watching the Cubs lose isn't fun, but the future is so bright that it's tolerable. Besides, beating the Cardinals, if you live within 50 miles of St. Louis, already makes the season a success. Would I like the Cubs to win and go on to the World Series? Of course, but it won't be as depressing as 2003 or 2008 if they don't.
This sums up my experience (even though I no longer live in Illinois).
I think getting back to the crowds at Wrigley is going to help them a lot, though.
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I am incredibly calm about this series. I'm just so delighted with how the Cubs have performed this season, I just can't muster the angst that I would otherwise have in this situation. Sure, I understand the issue of a possible lost opportunity that might not come again for a while. But somehow having a healthy organization with the prospect of watching excellent Cubs baseball for the foreseeable future is more important to me that what happens in a few games now. Strange.
Not sure "incredibly calm" is the exact wording I would use, but pretty close. I think I'd say "remarkably" or "surprisingly" calm. But for the same reasons. Very glad so many others here seem to feel similarly. I think it reflects the growing maturity of this organization and of its fans.
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We have a conflict of theories. The Mets have emphasized pitching, trading for hitting. Theo has gone for hitting, willing to trade or go FA for pitching. First two games went to the Mets. The future, I believe, belongs to the Cubs.
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I actually feel the same way, P2. Watching the Cubs lose isn't fun, but the future is so bright that it's tolerable. Besides, beating the Cardinals, if you live within 50 miles of St. Louis, already makes the season a success. Would I like the Cubs to win and go on to the World Series? Of course, but it won't be as depressing as 2003 or 2008 if they don't.
That kind of sums of my feelings.
Just on top of that, in these first two games it's really just been a case of Harvey and Syndergaard being better than Arrieta and Lester. There's not much you can do about that, unfortunately.
If it had been a case of our guys not showing up, making a lot bad plays on the field, Maddon making bad decisions, etc. there probably would be a lot more angst I would think. When you run into a couple of buzzsaw pitchers on the road, though, and our two aces not having their best stuff in those games, perhaps it's a little easier to take.
Just hopefully we can win three straight at Wrigley.
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I wouldn't say that Lester and Arrieta have been outclassed by Harvey and Syndergaard. The Mets hits have fallen in. The Cubs hits have been right at people.
In addition to a pitcher I would like to see the defense improved.
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Pretty much the same mindset for me. I'd have really liked to see this team at least reach the WS, after the way things looked 3 days ago. And maybe we can still do that, or even win it, in what would now be even more improbable fashion, on top of a pretty improbable season and start to the post-season. But this season has already been the most fun in my lifetime ('84 right there as well, and the '89 regular season seemed to have a magical feel to it too with all the wild wins and fun personalities), and everything beyond getting into the playoffs has been gravy.
And yes, it's possible things will go terribly wrong and we won't be contenders for the next few years (though that's pretty hard to envision). But this front office is savvy enough, and has enough to work with (talent, $$), that I firmly believe we'll be in the hunt for years and years to come.
And unlike '84, '03, '07, '08, I just don't see how this can end badly or leave a terrible taste in my mouth. Come back to lead this series 3-2 and then lose. Yeah, that'd be hard, but not devastating, if we lose to a good team, in their park, in games 6 and 7. Get swept and watch the Mets celebrate at Wrigley? Ok, that would hurt a little, but I'd still be ok with it, knowing what it'll likely to do motivate Joe and the boys for next year. Make the WS and not win (in pretty much any fashion)? Obviously that would still be a HUGE success, and at least get the 1945 monkey off our backs.
I'm trying to tell myself not to believe (cuz man, did the years following '84, '89, '03, and '08) teach us how fast things can change. But I just can't seem to help it. It feels (gulp) really good to be a Cubs fan right now.
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The immortal Yogi Berra said, "It ain't over 'til it's over." In 2004, the Boston Red Sox were in the American League Division Series against the New York Yankees, and they were down three games to start off. They won the next four, went to the World Series, and stomped the St. Louis Cardinals four games in a row. "It ain't over 'til it's over." This is a large ouch, but it ain't over yet. And now they head for Wrigley Field, where they can feed off the love and angst of the Cubs fans in the stands.
Likely? No. Possible? Most certainly.
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Getting a lead would be a start.
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Lots of teams have come back from 2-0. You just have to win game 3 (2004 only time down 3-0 and won).
Do that and you're then playing for a tie in game 4. Even 3-1 is doable.
DeGrom/Hendricks not a great match-up on paper but this is baseball. Unpredictable.
For me, for purposes of 2015, totally irrelevant how Cubs stack up in future seasons. Gives me littlle comfort. That's a crutch and also unpredictable. Let's not get into a losers mindset about how wonderful season has been so far, even if lose. If Mets eliminate Cubs, it will suck, period. And, at this point, lots of baseball left to be played.
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We've been out-homered in both games. WE've got an offense that largely depends on HR-advantage, but Mets have beat us at our own game both games. Harvey and Syndergaard have thrown tons of strikes, and tons of K's. Other than Castro not running hard and taking a double when he could have perhaps otherwise been at 3B, and as a result getting thrown out at the plate, we just haven't had opportunities. As JR notes, if guys with Harvey and Syndergaard's stuff are sharp and locating, and if you're giving up runs, you're going to get beat. Out-homered, out-pitched, you're usually outscored.
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Small, meaningless sample...but:
Mets vs. Kyle Hendricks, career: .136/.191/.227; 0.69 ERA in 13 innings.
Cubs vs. deGrom, career: .283/.380/.517; 6.46 ERA in 15 1/3 innings.
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As several have said above, it isn't over yet.
But the odds are certainly stacked against us at this point in time.
Should the Cubs end up losing this series, I will be disappointed, but also extremely proud of an organization that performed far beyond almost everyone's wildest dream.
Yes, baseball is unpredictable, and we may end up like the 2003 Cubs.
But we could also end up like the 1991 Braves. If I were a betting man, I would bet on the latter. Having a 1 through batting order with this kind of power, all but two of them under 27, is one heck of an asset. And it isn't as if their pitching staff sucks. Lester and Arrieta are competitive with almost all team's top two pitchers.
They still need to get a couple more, and I expect that they will do so this winter.
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Pirates will be really good. Cardinals will get healthy. Mets will likely only get better with young pitching. No reason not to take advantage and finally win something.
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One of the risks is that Arrieta may never repeat the year he's had this year. His two bad starts could keep him a bit under 250 innings now, if he doesn't get another start. But he's never had a summer over 175 innings previously. His season, particularly the second half, has been so incredible that he'll not likely approach that again even if he does remain perfectly healthy.
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The Pirates are likely to lose 2/5 of their rotation and will have to replace them with younger talented pitchers.
The Cardinals may lose Heyward and while they will get guys back from injury their key guys are on the wrong side 30.
The Mets are going to have replace Cespesdes and Murphy. All of their young pitchers have already had TJS except Syndergaard. Their future health can't be counted on.
I think the Nationals could bounce back and be pretty good.
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Where is Murphy going?
The Pirates are still loaded.
We'll see what the Cardinals do, but Piscotty and Grichuk will probably be everyday players. They get Martinez and Wainwright back.
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Mets will likely only get better with young pitching. No reason not to take advantage and finally win something.
While I completely agree with the latter half of this post, the first half is suspect, at best. Mid-90's Mets (Isringhausen, Pulsipher, and Wilson) and early 2000's Cubs (Wood, Prior, Zambrano, Cruz, etc.) are the two most recent examples of teams that built around extremely talented, young pitching, and, well, the results speak for themselves. Doesn't mean it will happen to this Mets group, but there is a very good reason why Theo & Co. have built around hitting. I'm very glad for that strategic choice.
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Where is Murphy going?
The Pirates are still loaded.
We'll see what the Cardinals do, but Piscotty and Grichuk will probably be everyday players. They get Martinez and Wainwright back.
And this is as good as the Cubs will ever be, right?
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It certainly makes sense that the Cardinals and Pirates will continue to be really good, even better than this year. Same with the Mets and Nationals. Other teams too. The Cubs can't control that, but they can, and I think will, get better themselves. The Cubs were one of the best, if not the best team in the league over the second half, in spite of their youth and lack of experience. With the talent and youth of the position players, there is every reason to expect them to get better, even though there is no certainty of them doing so.
Feeling good about this season (whatever the ultimate result) and being optimistic about the future does not diminish one bit the desire for the Cubs to go all the way this season. Those things are not contradictory in any way.
In any event, it's not as though fans being happy about the season regardless the ultimate result of the playoffs will have any effect on that result. Pretty sure the players themselves are motivated to do everything they can to win every game they play.
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Where is Murphy going?
The Pirates are still loaded.
We'll see what the Cardinals do, but Piscotty and Grichuk will probably be everyday players. They get Martinez and Wainwright back.
Murphy is a free agent. Unless the Wilpons find some dimes that Maydoff didn't take it likely isn't the Mets.
Didn't say the Pirates would be bad, but they may not be better than this year.
Piscotty and Grichuk are nice players, they aren't superstars. Wainwright is going to turn 35 next year and has a decent injury history. Martinez is coming off of a shoulder injury. Molina aged a lot this year. Holliday isn't getting younger.
Taking advantage of opportunities is always a good thing. It is why I was a little disappointed with the trading deadline.
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Yeah, not much evidence that the fans sitting at home have an actual effect on what happens in the field---but some have been bracing for defeat all season.
As Maddon said, job of the fans at home is to worry. Fine, worry. But, lots of baseball still to play.
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While I completely agree with the latter half of this post, the first half is suspect, at best. Mid-90's Mets (Isringhausen, Pulsipher, and Wilson) and early 2000's Cubs (Wood, Prior, Zambrano, Cruz, etc.) are the two most recent examples of teams that built around extremely talented, young pitching, and, well, the results speak for themselves. Doesn't mean it will happen to this Mets group, but there is a very good reason why Theo & Co. have built around hitting. I'm very glad for that strategic choice.
You not only beat me to the very same point.... but with the same example.
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While I completely agree with the latter half of this post, the first half is suspect, at best. Mid-90's Mets (Isringhausen, Pulsipher, and Wilson) and early 2000's Cubs (Wood, Prior, Zambrano, Cruz, etc.) are the two most recent examples of teams that built around extremely talented, young pitching, and, well, the results speak for themselves. Doesn't mean it will happen to this Mets group, but there is a very good reason why Theo & Co. have built around hitting. I'm very glad for that strategic choice.
All three Mets got hurt, Wood and Prior got hurt. Zambrano had a very good career. So yes, injures are always a concern but I'm not sure they're more of a concern with the Mets pitchers than anyone else's including the Cubs. Arrieta's already had "minor" injury issues in his past, for instance.
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And this is as good as the Cubs will ever be, right?
Might not be, but they're better on paper than the Mets right now and a lot of good it's doing them.
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Murphy is a free agent. Unless the Wilpons find some dimes that Maydoff didn't take it likely isn't the Mets.
Didn't say the Pirates would be bad, but they may not be better than this year.
Piscotty and Grichuk are nice players, they aren't superstars. Wainwright is going to turn 35 next year and has a decent injury history. Martinez is coming off of a shoulder injury. Molina aged a lot this year. Holliday isn't getting younger.
The Pirates will also get Kang back assuming he recovers well.
Piscotty had a near identical OPS to Bryant's, Grichuk's was 20 points better. And Piscotty looked a lot better in the playoffs. Shoulder injuries are always a concern, but Martinez' isn't serious, for now. Molina looked to slow down but I haven't seen evidence Wainwright did or will. The key for them will be getting Heyward to re-sign.
The Mets play in a lousy division which should ensure plenty of wins. Then they have to win a short series with those arms. Basically, same as what they are doing now.
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All three Mets got hurt, Wood and Prior got hurt.
This is kind of my point. Injuries are not more of a concern with Mets' pitchers as compared to pitchers in general, but given that this is the core of their long term talent, it's a significant risk for them, moving forward. Also, if I remember correctly, pitching injuries are much more likely to occur in younger pitchers, and pitchers who throw hard. That's an unfortunate cross-section for deGrom, Harvey, and Syndegaard. Risk levels associated with the Cubs' long term talent is unquestionably much, much lower.
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The Pirates will also get Kang back assuming he recovers well.
Piscotty had a near identical OPS to Bryant's, Grichuk's was 20 points better. And Piscotty looked a lot better in the playoffs. Shoulder injuries are always a concern, but Martinez' isn't serious, for now. Molina looked to slow down but I haven't seen evidence Wainwright did or will. The key for them will be getting Heyward to re-sign.
The Mets play in a lousy division which should ensure plenty of wins. Then they have to win a short series with those arms. Basically, same as what they are doing now.
Agree that the Pirates are going to be good in the long run. Their OF is scary talented, and I expect them to battle the Cubs for the next 5 years for bragging rights as NL Central champs.
With regards to the Cardinals, there's no such thing as a shoulder injury that "isn't serious," and while I expect Piscotty to be good moving forward, there's no doubt the Cardinals cannot match the Cubs or Pirates on paper. You still have to play the ballgames, though, as the Nationals will regretfully tell you.
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From Paul Hembekides of ESPN Stats/Info: Cubs hitters have seen 103 pitches at 95 MPH or faster in the NLCS. Mets hitters have seen 3.
https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/656147577151356928
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The Pirates will also get Kang back assuming he recovers well.
Piscotty had a near identical OPS to Bryant's, Grichuk's was 20 points better. And Piscotty looked a lot better in the playoffs. Shoulder injuries are always a concern, but Martinez' isn't serious, for now. Molina looked to slow down but I haven't seen evidence Wainwright did or will. The key for them will be getting Heyward to re-sign.
The Mets play in a lousy division which should ensure plenty of wins. Then they have to win a short series with those arms. Basically, same as what they are doing now.
Assuming he recovers well is a key in that sentence.
Grichuk had 350 PA, Piscotty 256 PA. Bryant 650 PA.
Grichuk K% was 31.4% with a 6.3% BB%. He needed a .365 BABIP and an ISO higher than he put up in minors except for 52 PA in rookie ball. These aren't things that I would count on him reproducing for an entire career. Chances are pretty good that Piscotty falls back a bit as well. He's a good player, but he isn't in Bryant's class. If you want to judge his future on looking better in 18 PA in the playoffs go right ahead.
Bryant's average might drop some, but I except that his power will compensate for it.
I'm not bagging on the Pirates so I don't want people to think I am selling them short. They are very good. I don't see them getting a lot better than what they are now. They will have issues keeping players. They have a lot guys entering arbitration and even the guys they signed to friendly extension are going to start costing more money. The Cardinals will still be a good team. The division isn't going to be easy, but the Cubs have a lot of young talent and money. They can get much better.
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It's not just talent.
It's injuries, luck, unforseen circumstances.
Cubs were uncommonly healthy in 2015. In future seasons, who knows.
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It's not just talent.
It's injuries, luck, unforseen circumstances.
Cubs were uncommonly healthy in 2015. In future seasons, who knows.
Younger position players are less likely to lose playing time to injury
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Ready for tonight to be here, so we can hopefully stop talking about next year for a bit longer, and start contemplating our chances of coming back from 2 games to 1.
Hey Chicago, whaddya you say.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcZl-L9vH-0
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Toronto just proved graphically last night that it is possible to win game three after losing games one and two. I'm still hopeful ...
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRx_vkwUYAAuOVB.jpg)
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Just a couple of one-game winning streaks..thats all it takes
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Probably three of those, then you're left facing Syndergaard and DeGrom back in NY.
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I think Chris is a Mets fan.
What sealed it was when I saw him call Syndergaard "Thor".
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Anyone but the Cubs.
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Thor is actually a really common nickname for Syndergaard.
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Things look bleak.
But whatever happens is a good learning experience for next season.
As long as it's not a repeat of 2004.
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I've never referred to Syndergaard as Thor, just for the record.
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I've never referred to Syndergaard as Thor, just for the record.
C'mon, it's not as it jiggs should be limited by pointless details like facts.
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I think Chris is a Mets fan.
What sealed it was when I saw him call Syndergaard "Thor".
Jiggy, you're an idiot. It is totally misguided to call Chris a Mets fan. It's insulting and undeserved. Besides, we all know he's a Cardinals fan.
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Well some damn body called him Thor a few days ago.
Lol
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Well some damn body called him Thor a few days ago.
Lol
That was me.
I root for the Cubs.
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That was me.
I root for the Cubs.
Sure. That's why you got confused for Chris.
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Like half of the baseball world calls him Thor.
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That was me.
I root for the Cubs.
Yeah sure you are . . . your cover's blown now, Reb. :)
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Thunderstorms headed for Wrigley should be there maybe an hour or a little longer into the game. I'm rooting for them to be around just long enough for deGrom to not be able to come back out after the delay.
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Great to see Wayne singing the national anthem tonight instead of some second rate pop star TBS brought in.
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Fergie threw out the ceremonial first pitch.
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I cannot imagine Billy isn't there. What about Maddux?
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That's a large blob of rain coming...
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Not a good start yet again as Baez misplays what should have been an easy grounder.
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Cubs go down in the first inning yet again. Just awful.
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Good grief. Can we make it through even one inning without being behind?
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Team misses Russell terribly.
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Four games in a row the Cubs have given up at least 1 run in the first inning. Just terrible starting pitching.
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One run will not be enough to win this game.
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With Arrieta pitching as he has these last two outings, our starting pitching is probably close to MLB's worst. It's tough to beat a playoff team like that.
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At this point I'm not even thinking about whether we can win a game. I'm wondering if we'll ever have a lead in a game this series.
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More bad umpiring. Fowler strikes out on ball 4.
The Cubs really aren't going to have a single thing go their way during this series.
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Safe to say the Mets are getting all the borderline calls.
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1-1
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SCHWARBER!!!!
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SCWARBER!
Now Bryant and Rizzo are due up to make automatic outs.
Bryant pops weakly on the first pitch.
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Please automate the strike zone. Idiot umpire calls a 1-0 pitch almost in the dirt a strike, so Rizzo has to swing at the next pitch almost in the dirt. Instead of being up 3-0, he was down 1-2.
But miraculously, he singles.
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Castro with two home run swings and misses.
And then a single
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Wow, umpire just got two low pitches in a row right with Soler hitting. 3-1 count.
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Cubs leave 2 on base.
Too bad the umpire missed ball 4 to Fowler, it would be 2-1 right now with the Cubs still batting.
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Hendricks looks awful so far. Everything is up.
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Hendricks immediately in trouble again. Doesn't get much worse than the trade deadline this front office had.
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Two hits in two innings that are likely outs with Russell out there
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Ted Barrett sucks. Two of those balls to Conforto were strikes to Rizzo.
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Hendricks getting absolutely nothing on the corner, deGrom getting pitches almost in the dirt. The umpiring this postseason has been brutal.
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Maybe lightning will hit the home plate ump in a few hours.
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Don Kessinger would have ripped Baez a new **** for that play, but I think it was the right choice.
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Thunderstorms headed for Wrigley should be there maybe an hour or a little longer into the game.
You know who is playing games with the thunderstorms, don't you?
Thor.
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Wasn't pretty, but Hendricks got out of that mess. Let's take a lead here somehow.
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DeGrom could probably run faster if he cut that stupid hair off.
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deGrom hits into a double play. Lucky break for the Cubs.
Maddon needs to have a very short leash. Hendricks isn't good tonight.
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1-1 pitch 6 inches outside is called a strike on Montero. Montero ends up popping out on 3-2. Should've been a walk.
It'll be a miracle if the Cubs win this game with Barrett's strike zone.
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Hendricks wondering where his strikes are
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Joe Maddon doesn't look happy about this strike zone. Wouldn't be surprised if he's tossed before this one is over.
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Murphy, the guy is good right now.
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Mets lead.
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There's your ballgame and your series.
**** test that fucker.
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Babe Murphy. Not a good pitch there though.
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Great that Daniel Murphy has turned into Barry Bonds this series
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Hope the bullpen is good tonight gonna need it
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Please quit pitching to Murphy.
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Cubs aren't exactly making it hard on Murphy to hit balls out. Every pitch he has hit out in this series has looked like glorified batting practice.
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Didn't Murphy hit a ball out against Arrieta that almost no LHB ever even hits in the air?
Everything is going their way and not the way of the Cubs. Much to everyone's surprise.
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deGrom has settled in. This is not looking good.
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Schwarber walks, and then back-to-back weak outs by Bryant and Rizzo.
At least Bryant and Rizzo are due up 8th and 9th next inning. There's a chance for a rally.
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Bryant and Rizzo have sure crapped the bed this postseason.
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Murphy's HR against Arrieta was a miracle. Only 1% of balls hit 91 mph end up as HR. Only 2 players all year hit a pitch lower in the strike zone for a HR. Dude is just hot.
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Bryant is a lousy second baseman too.
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Another hit through the shift. The Mets' BABIP in this series must be at least .400.
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Murphy's HR against Arrieta was a miracle. Only 1% of balls hit 91 mph end up as HR. Only 2 players all year hit a pitch lower in the strike zone for a HR. Dude is just hot.
Same thing Miguel Cabrera did to Kerry Wood in G7 of 2003. Irony.
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Cubs are now 0-20 with a walk and a HBP leading off an inning in this series. Except for Schwarber, they're choking like 2008 all over again.
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Jesse Rogers just mentioned that Kyle Schwarber is now the franchise leader in playoff HRs. Wow.
Soler!!!
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SOLER!! Tie game again.
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Soler takes a 3-1 pitch to CF and it's a tie game.
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Montero has been even worse than Rizzo and Bryant. Might as well start Ross.
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With two out and nobody on, Coghlan pinch hits for Hendricks.
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I guess Maddon didn't want Hendricks to go through the lineup a 3rd time. But man, with Hammel going tomorrow I guess it is bullpen day x 2.
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Got to win today. Worry about Hammel tomorrow.
Eventually, Hammel is going to throw a random dominant start. He didn't completely lose his ability just before the All Star game. Maybe tomorrow is the day.
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Man we're getting squeezed. Feels like deGrom is getting those pitches for strikes.
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Richard completely lost the strike zone against Granderson after the first pitch. Only his 8th walk of the year in 44 1/3 IP (including postseason).
Wright hit, so here's Murphy with 2 on. FIRST PITCH DOUBLE PLAY!!!
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DP for the dangerous Murphy!
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Let's take a lead finally. Come on Baez, get us started.
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I wonder if Richard will stay in to face Cespedes next inning. Duda due up 2nd so if he can work around Cespedes it would make sense to keep him in.
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I think Castro is way above average at 2B.
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Barrett back to calling an ankle-level strike zone this inning. Both Fowler and Schwarber have had low strikes called against them.
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According to the dingbat in the booth Barrett's doing a swell job.
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Barrett's "swell strike 1" call against Schwarber:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRzgx3tWUAAA7Vi.png)
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The strike zone certainly didn't seem to be this low and this wide during the regular season.
Gotta get some people on base; solo homers will not win this game.
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Another ground ball single against the Cubs. Has there been a ground ball hit right at a Cubs fielder yet this series?
Duda sacrifices for some reason. Thanks, Mets.
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Might hope that's not the case Tuffy. Almost the entire Cubs' offense this postseason has been on homers.
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Cubs just ignore Cespedes, so he takes third base. Fourth time the Mets have stolen third in this series. Cubs just falling asleep.
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Big groundout there. Two outs, Cespedes still standing on third. Let's leave him there, Stan Hack-style.
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I'm calling it. Cespedes straight steal of home.
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Unbelievable. Conforto Ks, ball gets away, go ahead run scores. Brutal. Montero has been a disaster in the postseason.
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Apropos.
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Look at that. It is not going to be our year. Every break goes the Mets way
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Man, life as a Cubs fan is truly an exercise in delusion. We think we have all this talent until we get into a series with an actual major league baseball team. It's an eye opening experience, to be sure.
We brought CLAYTON RICHARD and TREVOR CAHILL into a playoff game!!! MIGUEL MONTERO is our catcher!!!
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Soler lets a base hit get by him. Wow.
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Big break losing that ball in the ivy . . .
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Holy crap, an actual break? Soler made a stupid dive, ball rolls all the way to the wall, possible inside the park home run...and the ball gets stuck in the ivy for a ground rule double. No runs score.
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The Cubs... Jesus.. The Cubs are just funny.
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Now Cahill can't throw strikes to the pitcher.
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This is why you can't count on next year. Cubs luck.
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I'm not sure to be glad we came out of that inning with only one run scored or not. Should have been zero runs scored, but it could have also been a lot worse.
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Maybe Bryant will show a pulse and do something.
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Bryant and Rizzo due up, 10 for 55 (.182) on the postseason so far.
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de Grom flies to left, and the Cubs get out of the inning without any more runs scoring.
Odds are not looking good, but we only need one run to tie it.
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This is why you can't count on next year. Cubs luck.
Though frankly that isn't luck; it's poor catching defense which has been an issue all year.
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Does the Commissioner have the power to declare a seven game series over after three games?
This is an ass kicking the likes of which we haven't seen in many, many years.
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Bryant just looks awful. His wave at the first pitch was like a right handed Kosuke Fukudome.
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Cubs were lucky that there is no appeal on that play. It looked to me as if the ball hit Soler in the right arm as it went past him, which would negate the ground rule in the ivy.
Let's hope that it makes a difference.
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As bad as the starting pitching has been in this series, the Cubs have only managed to score 5 runs in 23+ innings. The hitters (minus Schwarber) have really choked.
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Does the Commissioner have the power to declare a seven game series over after three games?
This is an ass kicking the likes of which we haven't seen in many, many years.
In the last three playoff series the Cubs have been in they've held the lead for 2 innings in 8-1/2 games.
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Bryant-Rizzo now 10-57. .175. Pretty much impossible to win in the postseason when your 3 and 4 hitters are doing that.
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Talk about another **** poor performance by the middle of the order.
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Epstein drafting a letter of resignation.
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deGrom with 29 pitches in the first, 62 pitches in the 5 innings since. The Cubs let him off the hook.
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Yeah, it's not luck. We can't hit right now. We have 2 solo HRs and that's it. Can't string a couple of hit together. Defense has been pretty bad for the most part this series. We're not holding runners on base. Mets have better pitching, have a guy that is unconscious right now, and have simply played much better. They're getting the breaks too which doesn't bode well for us.
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LOL. DeGrom was never "on the hook".
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It would be nice if one Cubs postseason would end with a hard-fought series instead of a complete choke job. They don't even have to win...just put up a fight for a change. Fourth consecutive postseason they've just completely choked away their last series.
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Should've started Wood tonight. He's been better than 3/5 of the rotation for months.
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Can you choke series you never held a lead in?
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br, it's not fair to say they've choked. It's simply the result of a major talent deficit.
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Who are we going to hire to manage after Joe leaves once he realizes he was sold a bill of goods?
Think we can get Ricky back?
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The shocking thing about Murphy's postseason is that it didn't come in a Cardinal uniform.
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BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO
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The Cubs are a better team than the Mets. It's a choke in the same way 2008 was a choke when they were the better team. No reason they should be down 3-0.
Bryant with some awful defense to supplement his non-existent offense.
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Please move Bryant to the outifeld next year: Please.
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Crap, Murphy is even having little dribblers like that go for hits . . .
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Cubs beat a vastly superior Braves team in '03. That wasn't a choke. They simply got beat by Wood and Prior.
Cubs just don't play well when it matters most.
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Grimm gonna throw strikes?
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this team is just choking bad.
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Crap, Murphy is even having little dribblers like that go for hits . . .
That wasn't a hit. They may have scored it a hit, but Bryant double-clutched, and it should've been an out.
Now Schwarber drops a line drive. What a disaster. This will be a sweep. Not sure it's even worth watching tomorrow.
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The Cubs are a better team than the Mets.
Wrong.
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What a @##@ing embarrassment.
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They're not **** choking!!! They're just not very good!!!
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Better teams don't always win. You have to find a way to win which is a verboten thing in the Cubs DNA.
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Just throw home please.
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effin' Cubs...
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It couldn't even rain like it was supposed to give the Cubs a chance.
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And this season is over with
Be nice to find 2 starters, 2 catchers, a leadoff hitter, and a couple new arms in the bullpen.
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Cubs: 97-65 in arguably the most competitive division in MLB history.
Mets: 90-72 in a historically bad division that will have 2 of the top 3 and 3 of the top 7 draft picks next year.
Yeah, the Mets are better.
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Mets are the better team. The last time the Cubs were in the NLCS and I felt the other team was better was 1989. We should have won in 84 and should have won in 03.
Mets starters are way better. It is what it is. I have no doubt Theo will have a good offseason. But it is really tough to win in the playoffs. Hopefully this experience will make these young guys hungry and they'll come back with more to prove. Soler, Baez, Schwarber, Bryant... all have made defensive mistakes tonight. They will get better and hopefully next year we can win the division and "only" have to win two series to get to the World Series. But, the division is tough and it won't be easy.
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Lots of work to do this offseason to shore up the significant talent shortfall. It's going to be very, very tough. No money to spend, no minor league talent to trade.
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Yeah, the Mets are better.
They are now when it counts the most.
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The Wood/Cahill mirage seems to have ended recently.
Be nice if Boras' pet would quit playing like **** too.
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What the hell is he swinging at?
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br, go position by position and compare. It's not even close. Mets by a wide margin. Cubs at 1B. Maybe LF. That's it.
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Cubs really showing a lot of fight there.
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29 pitches in the 1st, 70 in the next 6...
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Maybe the Mets' young pitchers will fold like the Cubs' did in '03.
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Soler and Hendricks for a young #2/#3 type.
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They probably will in the World Series against the Royals.
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They have quit. It's in their faces.
I'd rather have them forfeit then watch the Mets celebrate on the field tomorrow.
Very **** poor effort. But they can build on it.
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Soler and Hendricks for a young #2/#3 type.
How does that improve the offense and defense?
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Bully, toss in Russell and Rondon and you might get in the ballpark. Soler and Hendricks will get you a decent backup catcher or a LOOGY.
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Freaking sign a pitcher, don't trade for one.
I hope a bunch of sarcasm is in this thread
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Very **** poor effort. But they can build on it.
It might be time to just tear it down and see what we can get for the pieces.
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Defense improves with Soler gone. Offense improves with the maturation of the young guys. Decision to be made in center and catcher.
Love Maddon a lot.... Don't understand his thing for LaStella.
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Soler's been just about the Cubs best offensive weapon the last 10 games. He ain't the problem.
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Love Maddon a lot.... Don't understand his thing for LaStella.
Baez kind of sucks at SS. He's made some very lazy plays and errors since Russell went down. Not surprised Maddon wants to get him out of the game.
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Think Soler has some trade value? Maybe I'm a homer....Regardless, this wouldn't be the time to make any moves :)
Love you guys. Thirty-four and I've been here since the night my folks bought our first computer at age fifteen.
Hoping for a miracle here...
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Defense improves with Soler gone. Offense improves with the maturation of the young guys. Decision to be made in center and catcher.
Love Maddon a lot.... Don't understand his thing for LaStella.
I wouldn't get too attached to Maddon. I doubt he stays much longer.
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Losing Russell has ben pretty big.
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Move Bryant to LF, Baez to 3B, Schwarber to C. Sign starting pitcher.
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They need two new catchers. This Ross and Lester stuff was crap this season. Ross just sucked and Lester was a real let down with the money they gave him.
One of them has to be able to throw to second base.
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Why is Collins burning a reliever here?
With a three run lead, why not use a position player on the mound?
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Well Russell had to go for an ill-advised triple with two out. Always something dumb.
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A little low?
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Barrett rubs salt in the wounds with another brutal strike call to end Denorfia's AB.
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Doesn't help that the home plate umpire has called every borderline pitch against us either.
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Low strike zone gets us again.
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Trade Castro for one of the Mets overabundance of young pitchers...oh wait....
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Fowler doubles after this "strike" call. Would have the tying run up with no one out with a competent umpire.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRzuq39XAAAFJtH.png)
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Now automatic out Bryant up with 2 outs.
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Rather have Ted Bundy behind the plate.
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Byrant with yet another pathetic AB. Bryant and Rizzo are reasons #1 and #2 why they're not going to the World Series this year.
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The fans got way too excited about that fly to center field.
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Young players are erratic and mistake prone. That is why there are few World Series teams with four rookies or their equivalent starting.
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When your overall talent level is so abysmal, Epstein and Hoyer are #1 and #2, actually.
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Epstein and Hoyer did completely crap the bed at the trade deadline. But otherwise, they've been good.
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Being a rookie didn't seem to hurt Cabrera, Willis, and Beckett.
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The fact that the Cubs won 97 games this season demonstrates very plainly that even 162 games is a tiny sample size.
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Ernie Johnson is into the Budweiser. "loaded with young talent"
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Hyperbole is getting annoying.
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Epstein and Hoyer did completely crap the bed at the trade deadline. But otherwise, they've been good.
Wrong.
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There is very little Theo and Hoyer could have done at the deadline that would have helped them win this series. Pitching hasn't been great but the main problem is we can't hit their pitchers. 2 runs, 1 run, 2 runs. You're not going to win like that. The young guys are taking their lumps and will hopefully get better. Schwarber and Soler have done better than we had a right to expect from guys that young. Bryant has been pretty disappointing. Rizzo too for the most part except for the two HRs against Siegrist.
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Being a rookie didn't seem to hurt Cabrera, Willis, and Beckett.
Or Syndergaard. deGrom and Familia aren't rookies, but they're still in the early part of their careers and haven't had any problems with their first postseason experiences. D'Arnaud has been fine.
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Jeff I think I speak for everybody when I say shut the **** up.
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Bryant and Rizzo did crap the bed.
But at least we beat the Cardinals. I don't have to hear that crap.
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There is very little Theo and Hoyer could have done at the deadline that would have helped them win this series.
Offense sucking (especially Bryant and Rizzo) has been the biggest problem, sure. But come on, they went with a glorified bullpen game today. You don't think offering a little more for Tyson Ross might have made a difference tonight?
Automatic out-Castro-Soler due up this inning.
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BR, I would rather still have whomever the Cubs would have traded. They'd be losing this series regardless of whatever pitching they might have acquired. Now, if they had traded for Murphy ....
Very frustrating right now because they are playing their worst ball of the season in the NLCS. But this is a team that has overpreformed its talent level until now.
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Cubs now 0 for 25 to lead off an inning in this series. What a choke job.
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How much did they offer for Tyson Ross, and what should they have offered?
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The key to minimizing frustration, I find, is to get the TV turned off before having to listen to Murphy's Jesus-crediting blather.
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Meh . . .
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Held the lead for 2 innings the last 9 playoff games.
Normally, I'd say that's hard to do but it is the Cubs.
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Tomorrow is another day.
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Ross might have helped a little sure. But they still lose tonight even if they had Ross and now wouldn't have Baez. Plus Ross would be one year closer to free agency.
Kershaw and Greinke both struggled against the Mets and lost 2 out of 4 games. There is very little chance we would win this series with any pitcher in the mound scoring 2, 1, and 2 runs. The Mets pitchers have dominated our hitters and that is the story of the series. We have yet to get a hit to leadoff an inning in the 3 games. It doesn't matter who is on the mound with that offensive ineptitude. It is the Mets year. Hopefully next year it will be ours.
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How often have the Cubs gotten their leadoff man on base in this series?
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The key to minimizing frustration, I find, is to get the TV turned off before having to listen to Murphy's Jesus-crediting blather.
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Cubs held the lead for all 9 innings in the playoff game against the Pirates so that stat can't be right Chris. Is that for the last 9 NLCS games? Because they've only played 8 games this postseason (3 Mets, 4 Cards, 1 Pirates). Plus we held the lead for most of game 2 against the Cardinals.
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Really rough night tonight, especially given all of the misplays, but still love this team, and still feel incredibly hopeful and excited about the future.
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Cubs held the lead for all 9 innings in the playoff game against the Pirates so that stat can't be right Chris. Is that for the last 9 NLCS games? Because they've only played 8 games this postseason (3 Mets, 4 Cards, 1 Pirates). Plus we held the lead for most of game 2 against the Cardinals.
Forgot all about the WC game.
Yes, NLCS only. My fault.
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If the Cubs choked away this series it would have hurt more. The Mets are just better right now. That's all.
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I agree, Robb. And they'll probably lose in 5 or 6 games to the Royals.
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How much did they offer for Tyson Ross, and what should they have offered?
Of course we don't know what the offers were. But the rumor at the time was that Baez was the hold up for Ross. If that was the case, it should've been done.
Really rough night tonight, especially given all of the misplays, but still love this team, and still feel incredibly hopeful and excited about the future.
Cubs fans always looking to the future. This was a 97 win team, easily one of the top 5 teams in baseball this year. They made it to the NLCS, and they had the chance to set the rotation the way they wanted to against a team who had to battle through a game 5 in the LDS. You can't hope for a much better situation than that, and the Cubs completely choked it away. Not sure there's any reason to expect anything better in future years.
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If the Cubs choked away this series it would have hurt more. The Mets are just better right now. That's all.
No, they're not. The Cubs had a better record in the regular season (7 games better) in a much, much better division. When the series started, they'd won 12 out of 13, including 3 out of 4 against the 100 win Cardinals. The Cubs were the better team, they were better "right now" five days ago, and they just choked in this series.
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FWIW if we go after a young pitcher I hope it's not Ross..... His front leg is absurdly stiff when he plants. Super unorthodox and I think it leads to his control issues.
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Are you guys serious? I can't believe how over-the-top negative it is here. Read any objective sportswriter's take on the Cubs future. Look at our starting lineup and the ages of these guys. Look at who we have in our front office and dugout. Think about what the expectations were coming into this year. Look at the incredible experience these guys have already gained by making the playoffs and holding off the Giants and other wild-card contenders. By beating the Pirates in a winner-take-all game on the road. By beating their biggest rival in a best of five game series. And, by very likely losing in pretty ugly fashion to a hot Mets team. It sucks. Don't get me wrong. But acting like this was our only shot, or like we aren't actually any good, is ridiculous, even for this doom and gloom message board.
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Baez for Ross would be a no go for me. The Cubs are much better off just signing a free agent this off season. I suspect some really good prospects will get traded at the next deadline though.
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Hopefully they play loose tomorrow, and maybe even pick up a win or 2 and send this back to New York. But whatever happens, the future is bright, regardless of how it feels tonight, or how negative people want to try to be. Go Cubs!
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br - You don't think the young guys will get better? Bryant should get better. Schwarber should get better which is really scary. Soler, Russell, Baez... these guys will get better and next year they will have a better pitching staff at least on paper. The Mets were playing incredible baseball since the deadline. They were right there with us as the hottest team in baseball. The two best teams in the NL met in the NLCS and the better team is winning unfortunately for us.
My biggest concern for next year is Arrieta. There is no chance he repeats this season. The question is how much will he regress. I also worry that the drop in velocity in his last start might mean he might be injured. Let's hope that's not the case. We can hope that Lester and the rest of the pitchers they add will make up the difference in whatever drop Arrieta has next year. They don't have to win 97 games again. Last year the Nationals had the best record in the NL with 96 wins. Maybe next year 94 wins tops the NL. There will be a lot of expectations on this team next year. The young guys got a taste and they will come back hungry. Maddon will have a tough job next year to keep them focused on getting to the postseason again.
The way I look at it, the window is now wide open. If we don't at least get to a World Series (hopefully win one too) by 2021 it may never happen. After 2021 when they have to pay all of these guys or lose them to free agency, it will probably be too late.
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If the Cubs choked away this series it would have hurt more. The Mets are just better right now. That's all.
I agree with that take too. Their starting pitching has been better. Their key hitters have hit well, and ours have been shut down. Defensively they've been better. They've been better at running the bases (Granderson and Cespedes with key steals of third come to mind).
The old cliche of good pitching beats good hitting in the postseason has held up in this series. I think that's the key to the whole thing, unfortunately.
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Ross is really good now, and Bosio might make him a star with that talent. I like Baez' ability but he's never shown the signs of being the player we hope he will be. I'd do that though I'd rather move Castro.
Also, I think it was the Padres who turned the deal down, deciding to keep everyone. Cubs would probably have to throw in more than Baez.
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In the last three playoff series the Cubs have been in they've held the lead for 2 innings in 8-1/2 games.
I'm confused. How did the Cubs win 3 games against the Cardinals and 1 against Pittsburgh if there were only ahead for 2 innings?
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I'm confused. How did the Cubs win 3 games against the Cardinals and 1 against Pittsburgh if there were only ahead for 2 innings?
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And I still want to know whether there were any sightings of Greg Maddux or Billy Williams at Wrigley tonight. I do not have a television.
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Think about what the expectations were coming into this year.
My expectations were winning the division title this year (albeit with a weaker division):
88 wins. Wainwright has arm problems all year and Molina shows his age. In Pittsburgh, the loss of Martin hurts them more than expected--Liriano is especially impacted. Cubs win the division with the Pirates and Cardinals taking the two wild cards.
But acting like this was our only shot, or like we aren't actually any good, is ridiculous, even for this doom and gloom message board.
When the Nationals shut down Strasburg in 2012, they didn't think that was their only shot with that core. Three years later, it's obvious that they should've really gone for it. Also, 2003 didn't look like the Cubs' only shot at the time. But it was.
And the Cubs are actually good, that's why I'm so negative right now. They easily could've (should've?) won this series, and definitely should've been competitive. Instead, they're probably going to get swept.
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I repeat, how did the Cubs beat the Cardinals in 3 games if they were only ahead for 2 innings?
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Ron, the person who said that forgot temporarily about the Wild Card game.
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Yeah, starting pitchers who work 95-98 with command of secondary pitches. That's tough and, so far, Mets rotation has rose to the occasion.
Very tough for a high-K, homer dependent club to do much when guys like that are close to top form. Cubs just not doing anything when not hitting homers, so far.
In AL, easy now to jump on Royals bandwagon, but there's a club that puts ball in play hard, very low Ks. Different ways to score runs, but Royals are impressive with their defense and power bullpen and type of offense. Think Cubs are good too offensively with current style but maybe need a bit more balance in how we score runs.
Maybe we'll see more of the good stuff in game 4.
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And I still want to know whether there were any sightings of Greg Maddux or Billy Williams at Wrigley tonight. I do not have a television.
Next time you want to see a game say something. Someone will give you a link to watch online.
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Are you guys serious? I can't believe how over-the-top negative it is here. Read any objective sportswriter's take on the Cubs future. Look at our starting lineup and the ages of these guys. Look at who we have in our front office and dugout. Think about what the expectations were coming into this year. Look at the incredible experience these guys have already gained by making the playoffs and holding off the Giants and other wild-card contenders. By beating the Pirates in a winner-take-all game on the road. By beating their biggest rival in a best of five game series. And, by very likely losing in pretty ugly fashion to a hot Mets team. It sucks. Don't get me wrong. But acting like this was our only shot, or like we aren't actually any good, is ridiculous, even for this doom and gloom message board.
Amen. I think there is just a lot of spontaneous emotional venting taking place. Hopefully most folks will calm down after a few days.
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Think those who are negative and maybe over-the-top tonight should get a pass.
Being down 3-0 in NLCS sucks, so for those who want to vent---vent. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
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Thank you, Chris. That would be very nice. I have not seen the Cubs in a few years now. Dismaying.
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I repeat, how did the Cubs beat the Cardinals in 3 games if they were only ahead for 2 innings?
The previous two series slipped my mind. I was referring to the two prior to this year (LA, AZ) and this NLCS.
The Cardinals series was, theoretically, a big hurdle though it doesn't feel that way now---to me anyway.
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I wouldn't say the Nationals window is anywhere close to closed yet.
Harper, Rendon, Scherzer, Strausberg still play in Washington.
The Cubs defiantly need to start going for it next year.
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Apparently no errors were called Schwarber, Bryant or Soler. Seems like each deserved one, which would have made 4 errors in the game - not going to win many playoff games like that. Along with Baez (who was charged with an error), these guys are all really, really young - and key offensive guys who have had a lot to do with the Cubs success before the NLCS. The only runs tonight came from two of them, on HRs.
I suspect (and certainly hope) that as each gets more experience, we will see fewer of these errors. And I think it's reasonable to think they are likely to get better offensively (except maybe Schwarber who has been incredible during the playoffs).
It was observed that the Cubs have really missed Russell since his injury, and I agree. The 3 run HR by Baez was impressive, but he has otherwise not been particularly impressive since replacing Russell, at least in the portion of the games I've been able to watch. Gary Sheffield kind of took apart Baez' approach in the after-the-game analysis, noting that Baez spends a lot of time with his feet either up on his toes or off the ground during this swing - suggesting a serious balance and control problem. Made some sense to me. But I was more struck by how his defense compared to Russell's.
Don't want to upset Reb by saying that this loss, or even a fourth loss tomorrow (should one come), will not sour my appreciation for the job the team has done up to the NLCS, but it's true. I haven't given up on tomorrow, or even the following games yet, but the Cubs have been substantially outplayed the Mets through the first three games. I think the youth and inexperience have been factors at times (Schwarber's ABs aside). I think this team has great talent upon which to build and improve, and I expect more experience will make them a better team in the future. And whenever this post-season ends, I'm going to look back on the overall year with fondness and toward next season with optimism.
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The previous two series slipped my mind. I was referring to the two prior to this year (LA, AZ) and this NLCS.
The Cardinals series was, theoretically, a big hurdle though it doesn't feel that way now---to me anyway.
I'm pretty amazed that the wild card and NLDS somehow slipped any Cub fan's mind. Not sure what to make of forgetting the most recent ones before the NLCS, which were successful, while still remembering other series from seven and more years ago that were not.
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I'm pretty amazed that the wild card and NLDS somehow slipped any Cub fan's mind. Not sure what to make of forgetting the most recent ones before the NLCS, which were successful, while still remembering other series from seven and more years ago that were not.
Consider the source.
This goddamn team better get their **** together for one night. I don't want to be carrying a crying 8 year old out of Wrigley tomorrow.
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Well said, Ron. It's frustrating, particularly given our history, but there's a tremendous cause for optimism.
Even if we lose tomorrow, it will still have been one helluva good season...and the future looks very bright!
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Russell is an elite defensive SS. Baez is good, but he's better at second or third.
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I suspect (and certainly hope) that as each gets more experience, we will see fewer of these errors.
Just thinking defensively, I wonder if the Theocracy feels they can go long term with Schwarber and Soler in the outfield corners. Even as good as their ceilings are offensively, those are two pretty subpar defensive outfielders. Maybe there's time for Soler to get better, but he's looked like Sammy Sosa in right field all season.
Reb was comparing the Cubs offensively to Kansas City, but defensively, there's also a big difference there. If the Cubs do some things to make the offense less one dimensional, I wonder if there might be some tinkering to get better defensively as well.
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Baez played over 200 innings at both 2B and SS in 2014 and looked much better at SS than at 2B.
This season, he just didn't play enough innings at any one position to really say. I have seen several guys look good at 3B for 40-50 innings and then turns out not right. Just too small a sample size. Baez' value is as a middle IFer. If he has a major league career, very likely will be at SS or 2B or both.
In any case, chances that Cubs move Bryant off 3B (and not talking about playing OF here and there) are slim and none. This comes up here almost every week and it's not going to happen. Forget about it. Way too much long-term positional value with Bryant at 3B. He is at least solid average there defensively and probably will be the best offensive 3B in MLB in 2016 going forward.
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Soler does not have good defensive instincts. We all can see that. Don't think instincts ever really get better. Maddon has said coaches have worked very hard on Soler's defense from day one of spring training. Just think he will be limited there forever.
Different situation with Schwarber,.Think his defensive instincts are no problem. Has tough time gauging depth on hard hit balls right in a line toward him---a very tough play for many corner guys--and has not had the lengthy OF instruction that Soler has had from spring training forward. Guessing that Schwarber will be average OFer. Better than Soler.
Would be a really good idea to have an elite defensive CFer between these two.
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Consider the source.
What do you know about the source besides nothing? Mind your own business.
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I'm pretty amazed that the wild card and NLDS somehow slipped any Cub fan's mind. Not sure what to make of forgetting the most recent ones before the NLCS, which were successful, while still remembering other series from seven and more years ago that were not.
Pardon me. Guess I didn't treat them like the World Series as the Cubs appeared to. Does anyone recall or talk about the '03 LDS against Atlanta?
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I'll put this the kindest way possible:
You're all a bunch of morans.
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Five runs in three games isn’t going to get the job done.
The defense has been less than spectacular.
The pitching, both starting and in relief, hasn’t been what we became used to down the stretch.
The Cubs have had their lunch handed to them by the Mets.
Were we hoping for a little too much after a season that exceeded all expectations? Probably.
2015 has been a year of steady progress towards every Cub fan’s dream of a World Series championship. 2016 will see continued improvement. Hang in there.
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The Cubs are choking away what could be their last chance to make the WS for another century. It time to rebuild.
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Just thinking defensively, I wonder if the Theocracy feels they can go long term with Schwarber and Soler in the outfield corners. Even as good as their ceilings are offensively, those are two pretty subpar defensive outfielders. Maybe there's time for Soler to get better, but he's looked like Sammy Sosa in right field all season.
Reb was comparing the Cubs offensively to Kansas City, but defensively, there's also a big difference there. If the Cubs do some things to make the offense less one dimensional, I wonder if there might be some tinkering to get better defensively as well.
I think the defense and bad luck has been what has hurt the Cubs. The Cubs have three below average OF starting right now. I think you could at most get away with 1. Soler in RF would be my preference.
As far as strike outs go. Mets pitchers have 29 K's. Cubs pitchers have 27 K's. I don't think those 2 K's are the reason the Cubs are down 0-3. I don't know the numbers, but I'd bet the Mets BABIP is really high and the Cubs BABIP is really low.
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The Cubs are choking away what could be their last chance to make the WS for another century. It time to rebuild.
:)
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The Cubs are choking away what could be their last chance to make the WS for another century. It time to rebuild.
Now you're talkin'
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As to the OF defense, at first glance it's counter-intuitive to think Schwarber would be a better defender than the faster, taller, strong armed Soler. However, I think Reb is on to something there. After the offensive punch, and relatively good plate discipline Soler has displayed at his age and exerience, it seems weird to contemplate trading him. But maybe that is worth considering - something fairly dramatic needs to be done to improve the OF defense. And even if the Cubs can find an elite CF (who can also hit a little), I don't think that will be enough.
Joe has repeatedly emphasized how important he considers defense to be, so my guess is that he will be urging the front office to help him out in that area.
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I'll put this the kindest way possible:
You're all a bunch of morans.
All is a bit harsh. A few of us are merely idiots.
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Someone (Bluejay?) suggested moving Schwarber to catcher (and Bryant to LF), I don't have a problem with moving Bryant to the OF per se, if there is a solid offensive player who is at least as good defensively to play 3B. But haven't the playoffs also demonstrated how critical it is to have a really good, preferably elite, catcher? It is inconceivable now that Schwarber will be sent to the minors to work on his catching skills and it seems awfully unlikely that he can become a very good defensive catcher catching a game or so a week in the majors. I never thought I'd be saying this so soon, but it seems like he's destined to be a regular LF. His bat seems to warrant putting up with his defensive limitations.
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Front office is going to have some tough decisions this offseason... It starts with deciding where Bryant, Schwarber, Baez end up defensively......
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It would be nice if one Cubs postseason would end with a hard-fought series instead of a complete choke job. They don't even have to win...just put up a fight for a change. Fourth consecutive postseason they've just completely choked away their last series.
Can you choke series you never held a lead in?
The shocking thing about Murphy's postseason is that it didn't come in a Cardinal uniform.
Who are we going to hire to manage after Joe leaves once he realizes he was sold a bill of goods? Think we can get Ricky back?
br, it's not fair to say they've choked. It's simply the result of a major talent deficit.
BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO BOOOOOO
this team is just choking bad.
Cubs beat a vastly superior Braves team in '03. That wasn't a choke. They simply got beat by Wood and Prior. Cubs just don't play well when it matters most.
What a disaster. This will be a sweep. Not sure it's even worth watching tomorrow.
They're not **** choking!!! They're just not very good!!!
effin' Cubs...
And this season is over with
The fact that the Cubs won 97 games this season demonstrates very plainly that even 162 games is a tiny sample size.
They have quit. It's in their faces. I'd rather have them forfeit then watch the Mets celebrate on the field tomorrow. Very **** poor effort.
What a @##@ing embarrassment.
The Cubs do not embarrass me, not int he least. The have had a great season, far better than has been reasonable to expect, the future looks very bright, and this season is not over. No, the Cub players and organization have not embarrassed me. Cub fans, on the other hand, have.
Where is Lee Elia when you need him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h4dgiJtz9Q
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I don't buy that Schwarber will be anything more than a below average LF. The other thing is he is platooning against lefties. If the Cubs aren't going to play him full time in LF and he's going to be below average at C and LF I would rather have him at C. The bat at catcher is a much bigger plus than his bat in LF, ie I think the replacement LF will be a much better offensive player.
Every time I see a 3B make a play to their left, I can't think of many plays that Bryant has made like that. Wright's defense has been huge for the Mets at 3B. I would really like to see that for the Cubs.
Soler in RF is fine, especially if you can upgrade the defense in CF. His arm will help cover up any limits in his range in RF.
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I don't buy that Schwarber will be anything more than a below average LF. The other thing is he is platooning against lefties. If the Cubs aren't going to play him full time in LF and he's going to be below average at C and LF I would rather have him at C. The bat at catcher is a much bigger plus than his bat in LF, ie I think the replacement LF will be a much better offensive player.
Isn't this complete reversal for CUBluejays who had been strongly arguing the opposite for months? Or am I again confused on posters?
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I think there may be some over-reaction to things. I think they'd be just fine to pretty much sit tight with the talent they have; take the good with the bad (nobody's perfect at all aspects); keep working to make the bad less bad; keep working to make the good better.
Work on the pitching staff, both rotation and relief, through free agency and perhaps some trades of guys who aren't currently core players.
If you're going to trade an existing guy, that could depend on what anybody is offering.
But to me it would seem that Baez is the most obvious guy to trade, if you are going to trade any of the present big-league value players.
*We played the whole season without him
*Without him we've still got the infield beautifully covered, both offensively and defensively. (Without Baez, all four infield spots are average/plus defensively, and average/plus offensively depending on Castro's hitting.)
*Baez is very talented with lots of club control, so might get better price than Castrol or a lower-ceiling guy.
*He's really raw as a hitter. Might be a bit of a challenge to use the next couple of years as development years for him when we're in the middle of World Series chase each year.
*Given our already boom-or-bust, HR-oriented, high-K, low-average offense, might make better sense to transact him for comparable pitching value, while settling for a lower-ceiling, lower-powered 2b like Castro, but one who might not be quite as boom-or-bust, hot-and-cold offensively.
*If we did trade Baez, infield positional questions would largely vanish. The only positional questions would really be resigning/replacing Fowler, and to what degree Schwarber remains part of the catcher equation.
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*If we did trade Baez, infield positional questions would largely vanish.
But the questions which would vanish would be good questions to have, not bad questions. Baez offers premium backup for the outfield, as well as the infield.
With tremendous upsde potential, club control, a good attitude, tremendous positional flexibility, speed on the basepaths, and good baseball smarts, he is not a bad guy to have around.
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Maddon absolutely loves having guys who can move around the field. And I have the impression that Maddon really likes having Baez on the team. I think he may consider him more valuable than many of us do. If that's the case, I suspect he will not be traded.
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The team is still playing in 2015, so it's still feels a little weird to be speculating about off-season moves, but I can't help but wonder about these things myself.
I think craig makes a good point about largely sticking with the position players the Cubs have now. Perhaps changes will come primarily through free agency or around the edges using non-major trading pieces. All of these kids are really, really young and still developing into who they will ultimately become as baseball players. It wouldn't be surprising if the Cubs are not ready to make decisions about who will most expendable. The obvious keepers include Bryant, Russell and Schwarber. I doubt the Cubs are ready to rely on Baez replacing Castro, but I also suspect they've seen enough progress to be reluctant to trade Baez either.
I think everyone agrees that most pressing need is strengthening the starting rotation, whether it be at the top with someone like Price or in the #3 & #4 spots. If that can be accomplished through free agency, I imagine that would be the Cubs' preference. Beyond that (and continuing to look to strengthen the bullpen), I'm not sure the Cubs can be expected to do anything very significant before spring. Biggest question is CF. If Fowler does not come back, something will need to be done there, and if so, will the focus be on offense (which has been lacking in these losses) or defense, which is also an issue?
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I thought this was a pretty good column by Jon Heyman, both respectful and critical.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25348245/inside-baseball-we-can-bleeping-do-it-says-cubs-epstein-plus-notes
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Getting a plus defenisive CF with a high OBP would be great, there is not a lot of them in baseball and even fewer are going to be out on the market. Span would be an interesting guy that might be had on a 1 year pillow contract. If you go with a defensive guy bringing in Zobrist as the 2B/LF would help with OBP at leadoff and then Castro could be traded for something.
I'll be really shocked if they bring in 2 starting pitchers unless somebody really wants Hammel for 2 years.
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Hammel is currently #45 on the Starting Pitcher rankings at BillJamesonline. Like last year, Hammel was a pretty great pitcher for the first part of the season. I'm still comfortable with him as my number 4 starter, but I would have it in the back of my mind that he might wear down again next season and try to construct the roster accordingly.
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Hammel is currently #45 on the Starting Pitcher rankings at BillJamesonline. Like last year, Hammel was a pretty great pitcher for the first part of the season. I'm still comfortable with him as my number 4 starter, but I would have it in the back of my mind that he might wear down again next season and try to construct the roster accordingly.
If he fades again down the stretch he would be an ideal guy to upgrade at the trade deadline.
I thought this was a pretty good column by Jon Heyman, both respectful and critical.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25348245/inside-baseball-we-can-bleeping-do-it-says-cubs-epstein-plus-notes
I found this interesting...
The Cubs had a potential draft-day deal with Carlos Correa worked out if only he had slipped to No. 6 a few years ago, but the Astros nabbed him at No. 1. Chicago people believe Correa would have slipped to them had the Astros not gotten the below-slot deal done with them. They got some measure of satisfaction when the Astros grabbed mark Appel the following year at No. 1, and the Cubs capitalized by picking Bryant next ...
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Cubs worked out Correa before the draft and they could not contain their enthusiasm---several stories then about being bowled over watching him. Pretty clear they would draft him if still on the board--even with their enthusiasm about Almora, which everybody knew too. Yeah, but maybe no Bryant for Cubs if Appel had signed the year before. Glad to have one of them.
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Think there is pretty decent chance Cubs bring in a new 2B in 2016. Obviously, Zobrist hits all the bullet points---can hit near top of lineup and can spell Soler in RF at times. Just a perfect fit for a few years (true for a lot of clubs of course).
Not inclined to trade Soler--well maybe in a Carrasco trade with other parts going both ways--but shows enough flashes of plate discipline to think can be fixture here for years. Agree that throwing can make up for some of otherwise bad defense. Just live with it.
Think Castro probably on way out. Maybe DBacks could be interested in an Inciarte deal (DBacks had NL low 2B OPS--SS too and have OF surplus). Maybe Baez too but thinking trade value for him not worth his Cubs short-term value as utility IFer/long term upside.
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Let's face it. Maddon has confidence in two starting pitchers and that's it.
Hendricks pulled after 67 pitches and 4 innings. In tie game, Maddon pinch hits for him with two outs and bases empty. Eager to get him out of game. 4th inning.
Ditto for Hammel in Cards series. Maddon eager to pull Hammel as early as possible too. These guys are on short leashes. That is obvious.
So, why would it be surprising to think Cubs may well look to add TWO starting pitchers for 2016? Just look how Maddon handles his # 3 and 4 guys now.
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I dont blame Maddon for not having any confidence in Hendricks.
I dont either.
I didnt really even have any desire to watch the game last night.
I knew no matter what our bats did it wouldnt be enough.
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Maddon is basically going by the numbers. Both Hendricks and Hammel have been really struggling 3rd time through the order. Unfortunately, Hendricks only got through 3 innings last night before his spot came due in the batting order and he was due to pitch to the top of the lineup again in the 4th. So Maddon pulled him. I suspect we'll see the same with Hammel tonight and Richard will pitch when Granderson comes up 3rd time through the order. Unless Hammel looks really good and hasn't allowed any runs.
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Maddon absolutely loves having guys who can move around the field. And I have the impression that Maddon really likes having Baez on the team. I think he may consider him more valuable than many of us do. If that's the case, I suspect he will not be traded.
I agree and think Maddon likes him as that guy who can provide flexibility. I think this is an ideal role for Baez to continue his growth and progress
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Under the view that the playoffs is random luck, and one should just get into the playoffs and take your chances, the Cubs roster is very well situated to get back into the playoffs again. If getting to the playoffs is the concept, and then throw the dice once in, Cubs don't really need to change anything.
The Cubs finished 3rd in ERA this year with Hammel and Hendricks and Wada/Beeler/Richards/Haren as the 3-4-5 starters, and won 97 games. Probably don't need to change any personnel to get back into the playoffs, if you assume recent past is predictive.
Of course, if you come back with exactly the same rotation/pen, you might fall well below 3rd-in-league in ERA with exactly the same personnel.
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The only pitchers Maddon has had much confidence in going deep into games is Arrieta, Lester and first half Hammel. Unless the Cubs are adding pitchers in the Arrieta/Lester class, I'm not sure why anyone would except a different #4 pitcher to get deeper into games. As PRFan points out, he's just going by the numbers.
If somebody wanted to look at the team pitching stats 1 of the 3 top ERA has something that is different about their numbers. I won't mention it because I don't want to get into a long discussion about it.
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I love and respect the "numbers" but things change and Maddon's treatment of the rotation is telling. Foolish to downplay that for purposes of 2016.
He has confidence in two guys. Think he's going to want pitchers that he has more confidence about. It's not just the # 4 guy. It's the #3 guy too. I like Hendricks but he is a #4--and if you can slot him at 5 pending somebody else getting hurt, that is way to go if you can do it, as a practical matter. Or, perhaps trade him as part of a rotation upgrade.
Obviously, Maddon also loves a deep bullpen and think we'll see lots of interesting bullpen personnel decisions too.
Of course, this will all wait. We have a game to win tonight. Not over.
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Ross?
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Ross?
Matz is a lefty and Montero is 2-20 in the postseason.
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And putting Ross in the 9 hole allows him to be a speedy second leadoff man.
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And the intangibles!
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I agree that the Cubs are going to bring in two additional starters this winter. Even if Hoyer likes Hendricks and Hammel, no staff goes through the season with the same five starters.
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I agree that the Cubs are going to bring in two additional starters this winter. Even if Hoyer likes Hendricks and Hammel, no staff goes through the season with the same five starters.
I've seen this mentioned by a lot of other people as well. What type of pitcher do you mean? Somebody that could be a swing starter type that you could put in the bullpen, minor league free agent, 4-5th starter, or pitchers that are clearly better than Hendricks or Hammel? I have a hard time believing a legitimate starter is going to sign with the Cubs unless they have a spot in the rotation. I also can't see why the Cubs would send Hendricks to AAA (if they still can).
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God only knows what Hoyer has on his mind, but if it were me, I would try to sign two 15 million per year level pitchers and have a rotation of Lester, Arrieta, Free Agent 1, Free Agent 2, Hammel and Hendricks as a starter/reliever.
One or both might come in a trade, depending upon the cost in players/prospects.
If I were Maddon, I think I would alternate Hammel and Hendricks as the # 5 starter to keep them both stretched out. Let each of them start every 10th day (or so) and relieve once or twice in the interim.
That assumes that they continue with the one reliever - one inning max policy, which I believe is horrible.
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God only knows what Hoyer has on his mind, but if it were me, I would try to sign two 15 million per year level pitchers and have a rotation of Lester, Arrieta, Free Agent 1, Free Agent 2, Hammel and Hendricks as a starter/reliever.
One or both might come in a trade, depending upon the cost in players/prospects.
If I were Maddon, I think I would alternate Hammel and Hendricks as the # 5 starter to keep them both stretched out. Let each of them start every 10th day (or so) and relieve once or twice in the interim.
That assumes that they continue with the one reliever - one inning max policy, which I believe is horrible.
I don't think you have to pay that much. Right now I think guys like Lackey or Smarj would come cheaper. I still think you could get Aroldis Chapman for less than that if you promised him a shot to be a starter again. Most will shy away from him because it will be too much for a closer, but if we're sneaky...
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It would be nice if we could, but I wouldn't rule out Chapman getting 15 million per year as a closer. I think baseball people are starting to realize that top relievers are a steal as far as money is concerned.
For that matter, I would love to see the Cubs make a starter out of Grimm. He has the variety of pitches and the build of a starter. Let Underwood and Johnson come up as relievers for a couple of years whenever they are ready, and then give them a shot as starters. Edwards also.
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It would be nice if we could, but I wouldn't rule out Chapman getting 15 million per year as a closer. I think baseball people are starting to realize that top relievers are a steal as far as money is concerned.
That's what I'm saying. Some might give him 15M with the intention of keeping him as a closer. If we offered 13.5/3 with the promise of starting, we might hit the jackpot.
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It would be nice to try that. For that matter, we could give him lots of incentives based upon his starting. Number of starts. Number of innings.
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Some things do crossover from the regular season.
Royals hitting an amazing .463 RISP in ALCS and .370 RISP in 9 postseason Gs. PS RISP for others: Mets, .261; Jays, .224; Cubs, .189.
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The Mets website has National League Champions merchandise on sale, or did earlier today.
Now if that's not enough to fire the Cubs up, nothing will.
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I have to confess to -- despite this fantastic, inspiring season from a homegrown team with plenty of promise -- feeling really pessimistic about the Cubs ever going all the way and winning a World Series. A team more experienced than the one we have now will play tight like they did in 2008. A team like this one, with players who don't yet feel the pressure of 106+ years, managed by a someone as fun to play for as Maddon, should have been the best hope. And as (I think) BR said, they even had the luxury of getting their pitching rotation fully aligned. Yet they seem to have spent themselves with the Cardinals series. Three and possibly four rounds of playoffs make for just too many opportunities to blow things. I can't see a Cubs team ever winning that many rounds in a row. Win 95+ games during the season, sure. Finish with the best record in the NL and make the Series under the old rules, sure. But all those playoff series to get through...
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Before we offer Aroldis Chapman any money, we should probably realize that he's not a free agent. I'd hate to pay him $15 million in 2016 to pitch for the Reds.
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Tuffy, I have to say that I don't share your pessimism. This team is management's beta test of its new operating system, and the results have exceeded all expectations. Imagine what further refinement will bring. Sure, it's never going to be easy to go all the way. But the Cubs are almost certain to be in the top tier of ML teams for the foreseeable future. Their chances of going all the way soon are very good.
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Cue Eddie Vedder.
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Before we offer Aroldis Chapman any money, we should probably realize that he's not a free agent. I'd hate to pay him $15 million in 2016 to pitch for the Reds.
I thought he was on a player option year.
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As far as adding two good starters--plenty of guys out there that Maddon unlikely to pull in a tie game in 4th inning.
Lackey will cost a draft pick but if you want to win in 2016/2017, he's an upgrade. A really good fit in this clubhouse.
Then, Cubs have goods for a major trade for a starting pitcher. Reports say Indians may shop Salazar (rather than Carassco). Had TJ 5 years ago but very talented power pitcher, with very good change-up. These are quality 3/4 guys behind Arrieta/Lester. Hendricks can be a 5.
Hammel has one year left at $9. No reason he should keep anybody else out of picture. Hope he pitches great tonight but Lackey is better going forward.
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Let's avoid the sweep, please.
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Daniel Murphy is 6-11 lifetime against Hammel, with one BB (two doubles).
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According to Bob Nightingale, 33 post-season series have gone 3-0 and 28 times the series has ended in game 4.
So, we can make some new history tonight.
Let's force a game 5.
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If they can't win, can they at least get through the first inning without giving up a run?
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Another leadoff hitter on for the Mets. Murphy on deck. This one could be over quickly.
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The Cubs need to spend a lot of time working on holding base runners next year in spring training. Granderson could've walked to second base there.
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Cespedes walk after 2 outs, now 2-0 on Duda. Come on, get this last out.
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Got some ironing to do anyway.
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Duda 3 run homer. Just unbelievable. Hammel sucks.
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Not a single scoreless first inning in the series. Starting pitching has been brutal.
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It's just comical now.
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Nother homer.
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Hammel has one year left at $9. No reason he should keep anybody else out of picture. Hope he pitches great tonight but Lackey is better going forward.
Yeah, I think it's kind of hard to argue with that. Especially after the last couple of pitches.
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D'Arnaud homers too.
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Don't forget though folks. Jes is embarrassed by us, not the team at the moment.
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Oh for the love Goc!!!!!
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Hammel is horrible. At least he'll only be here one more year. What the hell happened to him? Congrats to the Mets.
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Hope the front office takes the Cubs chances more seriously next year at the trade deadline.
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Ugh . . .
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Sometimes you're the dog. Sometimes you're the fire hydrant.
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When aren't they the fire hydrant?
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Hammel might not even get out of the first . . .
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This is painful. Get ready in a hurry, Wood.
Matz will bat in the first inning.
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Oh my. Schwarber with his second misplay in two nights.
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We're borderline lucky Conforto didn't score on that steal by Flores.
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Maddon looks miserable, nothing he can do to change the obvious outcome...Netflix here I come. :-\
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Since the game is already over, I'm kind of hoping for Matz to hit one out.
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The Mets had multiple stolen bases in a game only three times during the entire season. They had two in the first inning today.
I'm thinking maybe the Cubs will do some extra work on holding baserunners next spring.
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Hammel was one pitch away and couldn't execute. Dump him
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Mets have now stolen 7 bases in the 3+ games in this series. They stole 51 bases total all season. Cubs pitchers ability to hold runners is embarrassing.
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Damn the Mets are great.
Or maybe they look that way in comparison.
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Cubs now 0 for 26 leading off innings in this series.
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Right before the NLCS started I told a buddy that as long as the Cubs played hard and nothing Bartman like happened, I would be ok with whatever happened in the NLCS. The season was special, we won the wildcard game, beat the Cardinals. Just make a good showing in the NLCS and even if they lose, I would still have been giddy with excitement at what was yet to come. This series ruined all that. I'm still excited about the future, but I'll have a hard time looking fondly at 2015 because of how bad they played in the NLCS. I'm really disappointed.
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Soler looked as awful as Bryant in that AB, 2 quick outs.
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Nope, not possible to look worse than Bryant.
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Bryant with yet another pathetic AB. Maddon deserves a little bit of the blame for leaving him in the third spot through the entire postseason.
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I'm still excited about the future, but I'll have a hard time looking fondly at 2015 because of how bad they played in the NLCS. I'm really disappointed.
You know what the definition of insanity is, don't you?
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Perfect game for Matz to top it all off?
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Nah, but he's more impressive than any Cub pitcher not named Arrieta.
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The Cubs entered this game with a 20-54 record in the postseason since the 1908 World Series. Don't tell the Cubs that the postseason is random. They're a guaranteed loser.
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That might be the first generous called strike a Cubs pitcher has gotten this entire series.
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Bad night for Lucas Duda to finally start hitting. Sheesh.
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At least I have Duda and d'Arnaud on Fanduel today.
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God has spoken.
God @TheTweetOfGod
Never ever ever ever #Cubs ever ever ever #Cubs never ever #Cubs never ever ever never never never #Cubs never ever #Cubs #Cubs never ever
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lol
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What really sucks is that the Cubs look like they're going to be eliminated on Back to the Future day. Day of all days for this to happen.
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The Castro at-bat is the series in a nutshell.
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Perfect game still intact.
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The Cubs make a good play. A little late, but it is something
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The Copy & Paste dummy is going to have a blast with you negative boobs later on.
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4 pitch walk to David Ross.
We really need a home run here badly.
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I don't think I would hate this quite so much if I could listen to my own announcers instead of these tools on TBS. As it is I can't stand to watch.
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Soler with a leadoff double in front of the two automatic outs.
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First and second and no out for Rizzo in the 4th . . .
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Triple play coming up?
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Bryant walks. What a shock, a rare non-out from him.
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Bases loaded and no out!
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Rizzo single. Holy crap, both automatic outs got on in the same inning?
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Triple play still in order.
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Dammit, Castro hit that ball as hard as you possibly could but right at David Wright.
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Has any team ever hit more line drives at a fielder than the Cubs have in this series?
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Weak grounder from Schwarber scores a run. Typical Cubs inning...bases loaded, no outs, and one run scores.
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Cubs choke away a chance at a huge inning.
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Weak grounder from Schwarber scores a run. Typical Cubs inning...bases loaded, no outs, and one run scores.
Actually, a typical Cubs inning would result in zero runs scoring.
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Yeah the Cubs really needed to come out of that inning with something like 3 runs at least.
That liner from Castro to Wright kind of epitomizes this series for the Cubs.
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Wright saved 2 runs. I wish he acted like he had spinal stenosis is his lumbar spine.
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Actually, a typical Cubs inning would result in zero runs scoring.
True.
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It really hasn't made a significant difference in this series, but I'm so tired of Mets pitchers getting borderline pitches off the plate but not Cubs pitchers.
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Two on and two out for Bryant, and he gets to face Bartolo.
I have to admit, I'm surprised at this move. I think I'd much rather have Bartolo in the game than Matz.
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Bryant is basically an automatic out. Colon will strike him out.
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Castro not running in game one cost the Cubs a run, I think. Fowler doesn't hustle, should have been at 2nd had he hustled.
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Someone needs to tell Schwarber and Soler to keep the damn ball in front of them . . .
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I'd like to think Mets fans watching this game can't feel good about having a runner at 3rd and no one out and not scoring him.
They've also been stuck at 6 runs for a while and have Bartolo Colon pitching in the game.
Gotta have hope, right?
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Cubs have 12 outs left to avoid making this a really disappointing end to the season. Rizzo and Bryant will account for at least 3 of those outs.
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Castro with less than no luck this series.
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Schwarber continues to be the only good Cub in this series. He's done more good than the other 24 players combined.
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So much better listening to Pat, Len, and Ron even if it means the video is a bit off.
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Too bad Utley took out Tejada instead of Murphy.
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They should cut to a NYC gay bar after each of Murphy's hits.
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Well the Mets have blown a couple of golden opportunities the last couple of innings.
If that was the Cubs doing that with a 6-1 lead, it'd be a pretty ominous sign. They need to start cutting into this lead, though.
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Cubs are on the verge of being 20-55 in playoff games since 1908. To put that in perspective, only 6 teams had a single season worse than that since 1900:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worst_Major_League_Baseball_season_records
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The Cubs BABIP has to be terrible in this series. I can't even remember the last time a flare to center like La Stella just hit fell in.
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Their last shot may have been Bryant swinging at ball 4at his shoetops
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Daniel Murphy puts the exclamation mark on it.
He's had one hell of a series.
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What an embarrassing series.
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Least we're not being embarrassed.
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I hope the Mets seriously overpay Murphy.
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Soler with another double in front of the two biggest chokers on the team.
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Murphy has now hit in the post-season half as many HR as he hit in the entire regular season. Anyone predicting this kind of post-season for him would have been considered certifiably insane.
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Bryant with some timely production.
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Bryant with the most meaningless homer in the history in baseball. Thanks for finally showing up after the Mets have won the series.
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The Cubs are 3 outs from losing without ever having the lead in the seiries. They are never going to win the World Series. MLB will fall apart before the Cubs win. We're all wasting our time.
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https://m.seroquelxr.com/home.html
Losing sucks, but damn.
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Way too many fans allowed into the stadium wearing Met jerseys.
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By all means, Dex...we don't need baserunners...
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I hope the Mets get swept.
I wont watch 5 minutes of the WS.
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That's a clown car strike 3 call.
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Cubs lose. No team has ever been dominated more in the NLCS.
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Baseball Season is over.
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Cubs lose. No team has ever been dominated more in the NLCS.
The Cubs lost by 2, 3, 3, 5 runs
1995 Braves beat the Reds by 1, 4, 3, 6
1982 Cards beat the Braves 7, 1, 4
1979 Pirates beat the Reds 3,1, 6
1975 Reds beat the Pirates 5, 5, 2
1969 Mets beat the Braves 4, 5, 3
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Hell of a year boys.
Thanks for making this Summer fun.
Brighter days are ahead.
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Bitterly disappointed.
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Bummed for sure. But overall, appreciative and hopeful. Not going to get overly down about a crap ending to an incredibly fun regular season and what should be the first of many postseason appearances
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If they can't win, can they at least get through the first inning without giving up a run?
No.
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Don't forget though folks. Jes is embarrassed by us, not the team at the moment.
And I still am embarrassed by those of you who have been ripping this team the last couple of games, and still not embarrassed at all by either the team on the field or management. I am quite happy with both of them.
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I am pleased that this team is so much better than they have been for a while now, and next year when I again have a television, they will be worth watching.
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Cubs hit .164 in the series, the lowest ever in an NLCS.
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Great season. More work to be done.
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Knocked on the door this year - gotta bust through next year
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Hell of a year boys.
Thanks for making this Summer fun.
Brighter days are ahead.
Well said, Dusty.
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Well said, Dusty.
Yes sir, Dusty, brighter days are ahead
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Some final thoughts on the TBS coverage of the NLCS
There are better PBP announcers than Ernie Johnson
Cal Ripken added very little
Ron Darling was adequate
It’s probably wishful thinking but I hope the next time MLB negotiates a television contract they put in a clause banning those obnoxious animated ads for the network’s other programming from flashing on and off the screen. The same goes for dominating the score ticker at the bottom of the screen with program promos instead of scores.
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FS1 was 10x better than TBS, imo...
TBS did briefly show a cool camera angle last night...one I hadn't seen before. It was like Starlin Castro was wearing a GoPro at 2nd base. Very cool angle to watch from...
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Im too damn old to let a ballgame get me tore up.
I still live and die with every pitch but I try not to dwell on the negative I guess.
I just see too much talent in that dugout to think this run has done anything but just begun.
The truth is I think all we'd have to do is tinker with this roster and be a 100 win World Series contender.
As a 21 year Cub fan I cant think of many times Ive been able to say that.
Get us another front end starter, a couple bullpen arms, and re-sign Fowler or get another leadoff man in CF and watch us kick ass all year.
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I hated the TBS broadcast. I don't remember what it was I was watching, but it was a major sports event where they had multiple feeds with different broadcasters, so you could listen to announcers with the slant you wanted. That was a great idea.
Objectively, I thought the broadcast team was adequate. I actually think Darling is pretty decent at color, and I thought he made a pretty decent attempt at being impartial, but I couldn't stand to watch and listen. It was too painful. I needed to experience it through the filter of people I'd been sharing it with all year long. Turning down the TV and turning up the radio-via-internet was much more comforting. The networks should make it possible to do that somehow. I'm sure I wasn't alone in not wanting to hear those guys.
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I was just on the phone with a friend and received condolences on the Cubs' debacle, and found myself giving her a ten minute impromptu tutorial on why the Boston Red Sox won the World Series three times this century, after having the second longest drought in the game, and why this is a good thing for the Cubs, and that I anticipate next year being even better, and why. Theo Epstein changed the culture of the Red Sox, and made some very astute changes and acquisitions.
I went clear back to Mr. Wrigley, through the Tribsters, and explained it all to her.
This clarified my own mind on the situation. I think Epstein is changing the culture of the Cubs from lovable losers to perpetual contenders, I think he is making astute acquisitions, and the owners and Epstein are making prudent changes. I don't like the jumbotron, and I don't like the in-the-park advertising, but neither did I like the lights when they put those up. Change happens, and they have to make money to support the increasingly expensive players and that white elephant of an antique ballpark. The changes have been made to be as imperceptible as possible, aside from that monster screen. Without a television, I cannot evaluate the changes in the players much since 2008, but a few I have seen come through Boise, and they were looking good.
I have a friend here in Boise who expects me every year to watch the Cubs in the Spring and tell him if this is the year. (That started when I used to go to Spring Training every year.) This year I did not have time to do it until about July, and I read up on it, and then I told him that no, it was not going to be this year, but watch out in 2016. And I meant it. I still think 2016 is going to be their year. And I also think that the success they had this year is not a flash in the pan. Things are going to change, and the Cubs are going to contend for a long time to come.
Anyway, that is what I think. Explaining it to her, I explained it to me.
(I also love that white elephant of an antique ballpark.)
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Watched most of the games with sound off or so low just for crowd noise.
Someday, eventually, there will be an option to watch a game that is designed to simulate sitting in ballpark, with a few optional complements. If you were in ballpark and everybody was sitting next to three guys loudly babbling non-stop like these broadcast crews, you'd get an uprising. Yeah, tv replays are important but the chatter and visual assault are brutal.
Too bad can't just have Vin Scully sitting by himself and having a civil conversation with the viewer. Guess that's too complicated to pull off.
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I love Darling with the Mets broadcast. Putting him with those other guys was brutal.
My least favorite part about the telecast was the difficulty of finding the pitch count. It was on for a fleeting moment. How many pitches had been thrown to the current batter, however, was on all the time. Don't know who came up with that brilliant idea.
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Yeah, the Mets broadcast team is very good, including Darling. Local broadcasts seem minimalist in all respects compared to all the bells and whistles of the post-season broadcasts. Yet, as pointed out, TBS kept hiding pitch counts from the viewer. It's a different audience than regular season. Think they are concerned about keeping viewers' interest of more casual fans--not as much of an issue in regular season. Lowest common denominator.
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It's not obvious why having the pitch count evident continuously would be a turn off for casual fans.
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The Cubs 2015 campaign was really fun to follow especially after the AS break and I look forward to a strong run at the WS in '16.
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Cubs players under team control through 2021: Rizzo, Lester, Bryant, Schwarber, Russell, Baez, Edwards, Rosscup
Cubs players under team control through 2020: Soler, Castro, Hendricks, Ramirez, LaStella
Sounds like we have a pretty good nucleus for five or more years, doesn't it?
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Watched most of the games with sound off or so low just for crowd noise.
Someday, eventually, there will be an option to watch a game that is designed to simulate sitting in ballpark, with a few optional complements. If you were in ballpark and everybody was sitting next to three guys loudly babbling non-stop like these broadcast crews, you'd get an uprising. Yeah, tv replays are important but the chatter and visual assault are brutal.
Too bad can't just have Vin Scully sitting by himself and having a civil conversation with the viewer. Guess that's too complicated to pull off.
MLB.TV Premium already offers that option. You have the choice of the home team TV feed or the visiting team TV feed. If you prefer radio PbP, you can overlay the home or away team's radio broadcast over the live video or use the "Park" option to include the ballpark's natural sounds without any announcers.
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MLB.TV Premium already offers that option. You have the choice of the home team TV feed or the visiting team TV feed. You can also choose to have the home team radio feed with the home team video feed or the visiting team radio feed with the visiting team video feed. Or you can even choose the home team video feed with no announcers (just the ballpark audio/crowd noise).
How much do they charge for this?
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Getting into this late, but who is the guy on TBS that sounds exactly like James Woods? It freaked me out constantly throughout the playoffs.....
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MLB.TV Premium already offers that option. You have the choice of the home team TV feed or the visiting team TV feed. You can also choose to have the home team radio feed with the home team video feed or the visiting team radio feed with the visiting team video feed. Or you can even choose the home team video feed with no announcers (just the ballpark audio/crowd noise).
The best feature of MLB.tv may be the silence during commercial breaks.
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MLB.TV Premium was $130 for 2015. Audio/video of Spring Training games are also included in the package. There are some blackout restrictions but you can easily get around it.
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MLB.TV Premium was $130 for 2015. Audio/video of Spring Training games are also included in the package. There are some blackout restrictions but you can easily get around it.
Decent price. Thank you for the response.
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It is a fantastic deal. You can watch the game anytime you want. They archive all games so you can watch any game from the entire season at any time. Even the blacked out games are available to watch about an hour after it ends.
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Maybe that's why I bitched so much about having Len and JD ripped away from me, because with mlbtv I had them all season. It doesn't work that way in the playoffs, though. Only national feed or radio.
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I muted the TBS broadcasters (could not stand them) and opened a separate window with the WBBM audio broadcast. Unfortunately, the audio broadcast was always a few pitches ahead of the video broadcast (not sure if anyone found a way to make them sync).
It was a great year. Kills me they had to lose to the Mets ('69 still hurts) and that they collapsed so completely in the series. But it's nice to feel like we're at the beginning of the wave instead of teetering at the top.
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I tried the same thing, and had the same difficulty with the Saturday FOX games and the ESPN games. The Cubs audio was so out of sync with the National video (and the same happens if you try to listen to Pat and Ron while watching the regular games) that I finally stopped trying. If anyone knows how to synchronize them for next year, I would love to hear it.
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Why bother? Get yourself an earpiece for the audio feed, have friends over, win a ton of money betting on stuff. Bet Schwarber homers on this pitch. Ten bucks.
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Figure out how many seconds off the two sources are, then pause your DVR for about that amount of time. Might get you close.
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This ^
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It is a fantastic deal. You can watch the game anytime you want. They archive all games so you can watch any game from the entire season at any time. Even the blacked out games are available to watch about an hour after it ends.
That sounds very useful. I hope to spend part of the summer next year driving back to Illinois and camping out for a while. I really do not want to miss any games next season, though.