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Title: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on April 12, 2011, 10:33:19 am
Discuss the other shitty teams in the division...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on April 12, 2011, 03:49:31 pm
they all suck...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 20, 2011, 11:23:35 am
That Monday night Bears game against the Lions could be tough...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on April 20, 2011, 11:46:01 am
They could all be tough!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 20, 2011, 12:04:24 pm
Up here in Viking land I can say the Vikings fans have absolutely no clue what their team is gonna do in the draft.

For a team in such desperate straits at QB I have to prop the Vikings fans on not just blindly jumping on the "we've got to take a QB in the 1st round" bandwagon.  They realize that all of the top ranked QBs class have significant question marks and higher than average bust potential, and they're smart enough to know that LT, DL and DB are also significant needs and a top ranked player at one of those positions could very clearly be the safer choice at 12.  If there is anything close to consensus up here it's that the Vikings will probably NOT take a QB in the 1st but are very likely to jump on one in the 2nd.
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Post by: BearHit on April 20, 2011, 12:29:15 pm
Is there no debate about the unretirement of ol' No. 4?
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Post by: navigator on April 20, 2011, 12:30:42 pm
I hope the see the value and move up to around 4 and take Cam Newton :-)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 20, 2011, 12:31:26 pm
Nope.  Mr. Favre has worn out his welcome with Viking Nation, and then some.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 20, 2011, 12:34:40 pm
I hope the see the value and move up to around 4 and take Cam Newton :-)

The only QB scenario that concerns me even a little bit as a Bears fan is the Vikings taking Mallett and him actually keeping his head on straight and shredding our D for the next 10 years.  The way drama follows that team around though I think that's a long-shot at best and a Leaf-type epic meltdown is more likely if he winds up there.

And even if Mallett keeps his nose clean, his Marino-esque mobility could translate to a short career against the likes of Raji, Matthews, Peppers and Suh.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 20, 2011, 09:36:02 pm
Discuss the other ****ty teams in the division...

 Jesus...the Administrator just got BLEEPED.
The only QB scenario that concerns me even a little bit as a Bears fan is the Vikings taking Mallett and him actually keeping his head on straight and shredding our D for the next 10 years.  The way drama follows that team around though I think that's a long-shot at best and a Leaf-type epic meltdown is more likely if he winds up there.

And even if Mallett keeps his nose clean, his Marino-esque mobility could translate to a short career against the likes of Raji, Matthews, Peppers and Suh.

 Saw him on ESPN today...we dont want Mallet on the Vikings.
I hope the see the value and move up to around 4 and take Cam Newton :-)

Nope...dont want him around either.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on April 21, 2011, 03:50:49 pm
There was a day when the Lions drated Joey Harrington and everyone on the boards just knew he was going to shred our defense for years to come.  Especially with all those weapons at WR they had.

Just goes to show that not everyone can predict the future.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on April 21, 2011, 03:58:04 pm
Yep, ya never know. Draft is a crap shoot..
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 21, 2011, 04:19:22 pm
If I were a Viking fan I think my best-case scenario would be that Nick Fairley falls to 12, and then with their 2nd rounder they pick up either Christian Ponder or Colin Kaepernick...  who might not step in and be the guy at QB this year but should be ready to go in 2012 after a year behind another "bridge" veteran.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on April 21, 2011, 04:37:30 pm
I think the Vikings are going to get McNabb.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 21, 2011, 04:47:34 pm
I think the Vikings are going to sign McNabb and draft a QB in the 2nd round.  And they'll spend their 1st round pick on whatever defensive player they think will have the most immediate impact.
 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on April 21, 2011, 06:22:59 pm
McNabb to the Vikes? Not the worst destination for him. McNabb probably has a good season or two left in him.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 22, 2011, 02:32:30 am

 I'd LOVE McNabb on the Vikings! Yum!

I think the Vikings are going to sign McNabb and draft a QB in the 2nd round.  And they'll spend their 1st round pick on whatever defensive player they think will have the most immediate impact.

 Thats the way to play it,bring in a vet and teach the next guy the ropes at QB.

 
McNabb to the Vikes? Not the worst destination for him. McNabb probably has a good season or two left in him.

 The word is the Cardinals would like to snag him also, and do the same as Minnie,

 sign a vet and draft a rookie.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 22, 2011, 07:55:01 am
Beyond the fact that Danny Synder is a clueless dipsh-it and Mike Shanahan has lost it as a HC, I'm at a loss for why McNabb didn't work out in DC.  It seems like almost as soon as the trade with the Eagles had been made, the Skins organization starting stacking the deck against him.  Very strange, considering their absolute lack of any other viable option at QB last season.

I would be very surprised if McNabb does not show himself to be a much better player with either the Vikings or the Cardinals than he was in that dysfunctional Redskins organization.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 22, 2011, 09:10:14 am
Hmmm...  Lions fixing to blow another 1st round draft pick?  Or just a smokescreen?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/22/lions-were-not-concerned-with-daquan-bowers-health-or-jimmy-smiths-character/
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on April 22, 2011, 09:16:53 am
Nobody can sign McNabb.  They will have to work a trade for him.  Washington signed him to an extension the week after they benched him.

Yeah.  The week after they benched him for Grossman.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 22, 2011, 09:47:17 am
Yeah, when you get benched in favor of Rex Grossman you know the honeymoon is definitely over.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on April 22, 2011, 10:24:37 am
It is pretty common knowledge he is done for in Washington.  The redskins will not pay him all that money to sit on the bench.  Most suspect he will be cut.  The Redskins might get a really low round draft pick for him but no one is going to give them a whole lot when everyone knows they are going to cut him sooner rather then later.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on April 22, 2011, 10:47:01 am
Maybe Rex gives Shanny the best chance to win?  LOL
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 22, 2011, 12:39:32 pm

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Fictional agent and strong arm twister Jack Bauer wouldn't have been able to pry information out of Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson, so you can imagine what it was like for the Packers beat reporters Thursday at Thompson's pre-draft news conference in Lambeau.

Basic, logical questions.

Kindly, nonspecific responses.

The draft is where the seventh-year GM has built the foundation for the Super Bowl champions, scooping up Aaron Rodgers, uncovering Nick Collins, discovering Greg Jennings and nabbing Clay Matthews.

Thompson's reputation for protecting his draft strategy is now legendary - just as the draft's popularity has exploded in the media with mock drafts, grades and speculation.

"There's a lot of interest in the draft, it's great," said Thompson. "But, quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they're talking about, because I'm supposed to know a lot and I don't know all the stuff those guys know."...

Love that last paragraph.  Draft gurus spout off all sorts of critcal data and closely rate players by comparing an 8.2 to an 8.3 and in the final analysis, one guy is great, as advertised, and the other is bust.

Makes good reading and makes a living for the writers of this stuff but really not much truth in it.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 22, 2011, 12:52:25 pm
Love that last paragraph.  Draft gurus spout off all sorts of critcal data and closely rate players by comparing an 8.2 to an 8.3 and in the final analysis, one guy is great, as advertised, and the other is bust.

Makes good reading and makes a living for the writers of this stuff but really not much truth in it.

Agreed, and another thing you can never really know is how much of a draft pick's success or failure is environmentally related. For example, Cedric Benson busted spectacularly for the Bears but has had a very solid career with the Bengals. Conversely, I think it is very safe to assume that if Tom Brady had been drafted by the Bears, Browns or Cardinals he probably would have been out of the league within 3 years.

An example this year is the top 2 WR prospects (AJ Green and Julio Jones) who on paper have very little difference between them. It's entirely possible that one of them will be a star and one of them will bust. It's also possible that if they had each gone to the other's team, the situation would have been reversed.

Ultimately, a solid roster depends on your personnel people picking the right players and your coaches developing them. On both of those counts, clearly, the Bears have not met league standard.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 22, 2011, 06:40:43 pm
All good points, yapper.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 22, 2011, 08:29:54 pm
Nobody can sign McNabb.  They will have to work a trade for him.  Washington signed him to an extension the week after they benched him.

Yeah.  The week after they benched him for Grossman.

 What do you think his trade value is today?

 Under the circumstances I could see him going for a third or fourth.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on April 22, 2011, 09:49:40 pm
Only if a team is desperate.  I think you would have it pegged about right if everyone did not know the Redskins were going to dump him.  If a team thinks they can get him for no draft picks they will wait.  However my guess is there will be some bidding since so many teams need a QB (Thank God we have Cutler) .

Maybe a 5th round pick that will go higher based on McNabbs stats or number of starts perhaps.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearFan on April 23, 2011, 12:52:41 am
Agreed, and another thing you can never really know is how much of a draft pick's success or failure is environmentally related. For example, Cedric Benson busted spectacularly for the Bears but has had a very solid career with the Bengals. Conversely, I think it is very safe to assume that if Tom Brady had been drafted by the Bears, Browns or Cardinals he probably would have been out of the league within 3 years.

An example this year is the top 2 WR prospects (AJ Green and Julio Jones) who on paper have very little difference between them. It's entirely possible that one of them will be a star and one of them will bust. It's also possible that if they had each gone to the other's team, the situation would have been reversed.

Ultimately, a solid roster depends on your personnel people picking the right players and your coaches developing them. On both of those counts, clearly, the Bears have not met league standard.

Totally agree there....we also haven't developed any depth...look at a Packers last year....all those injuries and they had the depth to win SB.  Teams all pick from the same talent pool.  Bears may or may not have drafted solid prospects in the past, but if they did, they didn't develop what they had very well.  That may be changing with Tice and Marinelli, but in prior years of the Lovie-regime has not always been the case.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 23, 2011, 11:04:19 am
The rap on McNabb seems to be his poor work habits.

I you sign him you need to sign another QB as his replacement-in-training and McNabb might not be a good example for him.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on April 23, 2011, 12:09:31 pm
Everybody kept waiting for the Deadskins to just cut Fat Albert too.  It never happened till the season was over.  A team in need of a QB can not just wait till the end of the year for the Deadskins to just cut him.

Talk around DC is just to keep him if you can't get what you want for him.  He makes a great option if Rex gets hurt or flat out sucks.  Which we all know both are highly possible.  So do the Deadskins fans.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 26, 2011, 04:14:32 pm
Everybody kept waiting for the Deadskins to just cut Fat Albert too.  It never happened till the season was over.  A team in need of a QB can not just wait till the end of the year for the Deadskins to just cut him.

Talk around DC is just to keep him if you can't get what you want for him.  He makes a great option if Rex gets hurt or flat out sucks.  Which we all know both are highly possible.  So do the Deadskins fans.

 LOL!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on April 28, 2011, 11:10:52 pm
Listened to the radio during the Queens pick.  Lots of boos in the background and I could detect some WTF tone in some of the radio head analysis.

Solid d-line for Detroit got better.  Hopefully they will continue to fail to protect their QB, play 2nd string QBs, and have a confused incompetent secondary.  But the needle is definitely pointing in the right direction.

F-uck the puke.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2011, 11:14:10 pm
I somehow expected the Redskins to take a QB and they traded down instead.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 29, 2011, 05:37:53 am
The WTF pick for me was the Titans taking Locker.  Should be a good morning on Nashville sports talk
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 29, 2011, 06:04:41 am
The 2nd WTF pick was Ponder to the Vikes.  Let's just hand Fairley to the Lions.  I never thought I'd see the run on subpar QBs like we did in this draft.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2011, 07:12:07 am
Well those QBs going like they did probably pushed Carimi to us.
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Post by: yapper on April 29, 2011, 01:04:51 pm
The 2nd WTF pick was Ponder to the Vikes.  Let's just hand Fairley to the Lions.  I never thought I'd see the run on subpar QBs like we did in this draft.

I was watching the draft with my Vikings fan brother and he is livid about what they did last night.  Not only that they reached for such a mediocre QB prospect but that they handed Fairley to the Lions.  That selection of Ponder has "panic pick" written all over it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on April 29, 2011, 02:29:14 pm
They were saying the Vikes were trying to trade down.  It would be funny if it was Angelo that screwed that up too.  ;)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 29, 2011, 02:30:50 pm
I can't believe that with Nick freakin Fairley sitting there at 12, that not one single team wanted to trade up to get him.

He must have seriously put some people off with his interviews but I believe a lot of teams are gonna regret not grabbing him before it's all said and done.

The other thing that may have happened is that they had a deal in the works to trade down but once Locker and then Gabbert went off the board they changed their mind and decided to stand pat before all their QB options were exhausted.
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Post by: boogie on April 29, 2011, 02:34:16 pm
Yeah, I think the Vikes just assumed that Locker was going to be there for them.  And when he was gone they wanted to trade down and still pick up Ponder.  Way to high they picked him. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 29, 2011, 02:53:32 pm
The Vikings must have real serious doubts about their ability to attract a veteran QB (e.g., McNabb, Kolb, Carson Palmer, etc.) in FA and/or execute a trade for same.

If they had any confidence in that route at all, they would have passed on the QB position in the first round, taken Fairley (or possibly Amakamura) and gone from there.  Maybe they like their odds better with having Ponder on the roster now in the event the lockout is re-instated and they have to wait weeks or months to pursue trades/FA.

Definitely some unconventional (or irrational, depending on your point of view) thinking behind that Ponder pick to be sure.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on April 29, 2011, 02:56:09 pm
Was it Kiper or Gruden yesterday that was saying without being able to trade FA's if you have a need, you draft for it and dont assume you can do it in FA.  I guess, but dont reach that bad...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 29, 2011, 02:59:54 pm
That Ponder pick so reminded me of what the Bears did the year we took Cade McNown.  It was even at the #12 spot IIRC.

The difference of course being that unlike the Vikings, we put ourselves into the panic position by trading down in the first place and letting the Vikings take Culpepper right out from under us. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on April 30, 2011, 09:59:39 am
In the past when it came to unmitigated disasters the Chicago Bears had no peer. And yes, I am including the Lions. When Mikey was running the show it simply was a chamber of horrors. Here's hoping those days are long gone.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on April 30, 2011, 01:56:46 pm
Biscotti still mouthing off about the screw up in the trade between the Ravens and the Bears. Guess the payback for screwing the Vikings a few years ago is a bizzatch, no ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 01, 2011, 03:25:44 pm

 What really succks is just when the VIKINGS are looking like Deeeetroit...

 the fuuucking LIONS start looking like old Minnie... ;D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 01, 2011, 04:15:12 pm
Lions had a super draft
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 01, 2011, 04:49:54 pm

  And we are going to be on the recieving end of it babes...

 shoulda took OL/WR in the the third...

 WR/OL in the fifth.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 03, 2011, 05:51:29 am
It's too early to tell about the pick at safety.  If Angelo is right on that one, he looks like a genius.  I thought the first two picks were solid. 

The picks I have a problem with our the QBs in the last two years.  Everyone talks about getting a developmental QB in the pipeline, but if Cutler is our 27 year old bell cow, he should play well into his 30's.  To me, it makes more sense to draft a developmental QB when your starter is in his early to mid 30's, kind of what the Pack did with Favre/Rogers and what the Patriots just did with Brady and the guy they just drafted.  I think drafting a QB now is a wasted pick...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 03, 2011, 07:09:30 am
I think that both the Pats and the Packers take QBs often in the draft.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 03, 2011, 08:17:53 am
All I can say about Enderle is I hope the Bears did a lot more homework on him than they did on LeFevour.

If LeFevour wasn't good enough to be our 3rd QB right out of the gate (thereby keeping him off the PS), then we shouldn't have drafted him.  After the way Angelo bungled that whole situation with LeFevour they are almost obligated to keep Enderle on the active roster this year or the outcry over yet another thrown away draft pick will be severe.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on May 03, 2011, 08:55:46 am
Story in the Trib today about how he is exactly the kind of player that Martz likes.  He developed Warner and Bulger, blah blah blah.  Sounds like propaganda to talk the fans off the ledge...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 03, 2011, 09:58:29 am
LeFevour was only put on the PS because of the injury to Hanie - they didn't want to keep 4 QBs on the roster.  Bears might have been able to hide him if he hadn't performed so well in the final preseason game.  He had a nice TD pass to another player that we tried to stash on the PS too. 

And then the Vikings later swiped Iglesias too.

As for LeFevour, if he was so good, would the Bengals have drafted Andy Dalton in the 2nd round?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 03, 2011, 12:15:00 pm
Bengals needed a starter. LeFevor wasnt ready for that
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 03, 2011, 12:32:48 pm
We would have been better off going into 2010 with Cutler, Hanie and LeFevour as our 3 rather than Todd Collins.

Seriously...  that guy was worse than worthless. I've seen a whole lot of godawful QBs in my years of watching the Bears but Collins was easily in the Top (Bottom?) 5 of Bear QBs all-time for overall suc-kage.

Not to mention, then we could have used this year's 5th rounder on another OL or a big WR.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on May 03, 2011, 12:46:00 pm
LeFevour, Collins, and Enderle and Fat Manu are all about Martz.  I think Martz has a good handle of his playbook after his several years of coaching and can call a good game.  But IMO his evaluation skills are at best overrated and at worst as bad as Lovie and Angelo.  His reputation still hangs on the excellent talent he was spoiled with during the Greatest Show on Turf over a decade ago and he still believes he can resurrect those glory days in Chicago. 

Seriously, does anyone believe that Martz will be on the Bears staff long enough to develop Enderle into a competent backup or trade bait.  I don't.  It was not necessary to waste a draft pick, even a 5th, on a QB with so many glaring immediate needs and only 5 picks to address them.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 03, 2011, 04:43:24 pm
We would have been better off going into 2010 with Cutler, Hanie and LeFevour as our 3 rather than Todd Collins.

Actually they would be the same with both scenarios.  They had a chance to get Bulger last off season and they blew it.  Cutler, Bulger, and Hanie would've been much MUCH better than the other 2 scenarios you brought up.

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Not to mention, then we could have used this year's 5th rounder on another OL or a big WR.

I don't have a problem with the picks.  You brought up another OL.  I think they are either going to pick up one via free agency or stick with what they have.  Put Carimi at LT.  Don't move to the right.

Then you brought up drafting a "big" WR in the 5th round.  I'm starting to think they'll stick with the guy from the CFL and/or keep Aromashadu and see if he can come with it this year.  I don't have an issue with the picks at all.



Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 04, 2011, 09:56:43 am
I would be beyond shocked if Aromashadu was back with us for this season.

The coaches gave every indication last year that they want nothing to do with him.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 04, 2011, 10:40:50 am
Yep, Aromashodu is gone.   

Martz failure to utilize him, his pass heavy play calling and his faith in Todd Collins have been my biggest concerns with Martz' judgment.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2011, 11:45:09 am
I cant imagine Aroma being back. Thats why they got the Canadian.
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Post by: Keysbear on May 04, 2011, 01:43:07 pm
I can't imagine anyone getting so worked up about him. There's a reason he couldn't stick with multiple teams.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 04, 2011, 02:45:49 pm
I would be beyond shocked if Aromashadu was back with us for this season.

The coaches gave every indication last year that they want nothing to do with him.

I agree.  Just throwing out possible scenarios on why they didn't go after a rookie WR in the draft. 

But one season Aroma was an up and coming WR then when Martz gets here all that changes.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 05, 2011, 06:14:51 am
that was a head scratcher to be sure...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 05, 2011, 08:27:11 am
I think it's win or go home (literally) this year for Martz.

For all the hype he came in with, our offense actually finished WORSE statistically than they had the previous year with Ron Turner. And the failures of the offense in those last two Packers losses are unforgivable.

I understand that Martz is working with a fraction of the talent he had in his glory days with the Rams, but it sure seems like he was behind the curve most of the season as far as getting what he could out of the guys we had.

I'm not quite ready to go on record saying he was a bad hire...  but he's got a lot of work to do before this season and a lot to prove during it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: guest118 on May 05, 2011, 09:32:29 am
Yapper...not to mention the end around to Bennett.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2011, 09:52:49 am
I'm not quite ready to go on record saying he was a bad hire...  but he's got a lot of work to do before this season and a lot to prove during it.

But, OTOH he is going to have a built in excuse if the labor situation doesnt come to a closure quickly. Hard to give him a fair evaluation if we dont have a proper preseason as well as regular season.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 05, 2011, 11:24:30 am
I'm not quite ready to go on record saying he was a bad hire...  but he's got a lot of work to do before this season and a lot to prove during it.

But, OTOH he is going to have a built in excuse if the labor situation doesnt come to a closure quickly. Hard to give him a fair evaluation if we dont have a proper preseason as well as regular season.

Yes and no. Barring some totally left-field FA signing we are going to have the exact same cast of characters on offense this year as we did last year.  At least at the skill positions. Theoretically at least, even if the lockout shortens or eliminates the preseason we should still be ahead of any team (and there are a lot of them) who are going to be integrating a new QB and/or WRs into the mix.

Presumably our OL play will improve with the addition of Carimi and hopefully a FA OG...  which will open up Martz' options somewhat...  but I think Martz realistically has to plan on having the same pieces to work with as he did last year and take it upon himself to re-tool his offense so that it works significantly better with those pieces than it did last year.  Skill position upgrades are going to be slim to none so the bulk of improvement on the offense will have to come through scheme.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 05, 2011, 01:11:53 pm
One huge concern is the number of potential losses via free agency of our special team players:  Graham, Iwuh, Wolfe, Rod Williams and Daniel Manning.

We saw some improvement in the 2nd half with the offensive line, obviously there is room for improvement.  But with the addition of Carimi and another year of experience for Chris Williams (at guard), Edwin Williams, Herman Johnson and Lance Louis, someone will emerge.

I said this after the 2nd GB game - they need a wide receiver.  I'd like to see the Bears go after one of the available free agents.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on May 05, 2011, 01:26:37 pm
We dont just need to get better.  We need to get A LOT better.  The Lions with Fairley and Suh are reason enough. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 05, 2011, 07:13:54 pm
This seems to say that Thompson/McCarthy are satisfied that the young guys, C. J. Wilson and Mike Neal will fill the RT job adequately.

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 5, 2011, 4:21 PM EDT
 
Getty ImagesAfter seven years on the Packers’ defensive line, Cullen Jenkins assumes he’ll sign elsewhere in free agency.

Jenkins repeated Wednesday what he has previously said, that he wanted to stay in Green Bay enough that he offered last year to take less money to stay with the Packers than he thought he could make in free agency, but the Packers weren’t interested.

“Heading into last year, I’ve always been up there and always been a Packer, and I wanted to stay a Packer,” Jenkins said, per Jason Wilde of ESPNMilwaukee.com. “So we approached the team and wanted to get some type of security, some type of longer-term deal before the season so I would know I would be there. It wasn’t about money, it was about security, about trying to see if we could work something out.”

When asked if he would have given the Packers a hometown discount, Jenkins said, “Yeah. That was the thought then. I knew in going to them, I know Green Bay, I know the market, I know how they handle business, and the thought was if we could get something reasonable worked out, I knew I would take less than what I could’ve gotten in free agency. But they never approached me with anything and never got any type of negotiations going. It’s just how the business is. They had a lot of younger guys and felt they could move forward in that direction.”

So Jenkins expects to sign with another team, whenever free agents are allowed to sign with teams. He may not have to move his family too far, as the Bears are thought to be interested.

 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2011, 08:03:00 pm
The Bears interested? Hmmm!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 05, 2011, 08:49:36 pm
I had read that as well.  However I am guessing with Paea now a Bear they probably won't go after him as hard.  Although they may feel he is an upgrade to Adams and may be his replacement if the price is right.

I prefer the Bears spend their free agent dollars on the O-line personally.  They need a center and a guard still. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on May 06, 2011, 09:53:36 am
I bet they dont address center until next years draft. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 06, 2011, 11:17:52 am
I expect Angelo to bargain shop in FA except for maybe on the OL. He might open his purse to buy an OL but I expect a lot of other folks it will be if they fill a need and are reasonable.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 06, 2011, 11:45:00 am
They'll find somebody as an undrafted FA
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 06, 2011, 09:03:21 pm

 If Tice knows his shiiit he may just have what he already needs with Herman Johnson.

 Hence : The lack of a push for OL in the third.

 Then it moves on to Darryl Drake and what can he find in FA at WR.

 Remember : Drake had zero input into the draft in the last two years.

 He has to be tossed a bone somwhere to keep his credibility.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 07, 2011, 12:16:40 am
I have to agree here.

Let's pretend Bears can sign either Logan Mankins or Sidney Rice.

I take Rice.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 07, 2011, 03:30:53 am
I have to agree here.

Let's pretend Bears can sign either Logan Mankins or Sidney Rice.

I take Rice.

Hmmm! If I had one choice Mankins or Rice it would be Mankins over Rice because better protection on that line gives Cutler more time to get the ball to one of the existing receivers. TYVM
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on May 07, 2011, 06:20:05 am
Yep, got to go Mankins over Rice every day of the week.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 07, 2011, 08:50:23 am
Moot point as no free agency yet...  :(  Nice job owners and players, way to suck the excitement out of the off season
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 07, 2011, 09:12:33 am
We were talking about a theoretical choice. We all know the labor agreement has expired.

Typically right after the draft teams try to sign players that werent drafted to fill TC spots and ST spots but they cant even do that which is very depressing.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 07, 2011, 09:58:51 am
Moot point as no free agency yet...  :(  Nice job owners and players, way to suck the excitement out of the off season

So true.  I mean, this time of year is traditionally kind of slow for NFL news but this year the "meh factor" is at an all-time high. My co-worker and I usually talked about the draft for weeks leading up to it and this year we hardly discussed it at all... before or since. Even PFT is sucking wind to find content these days.

It also doesn't help that seemingly a day doesn't go by that some NFL player isn't in the news for something legally releted or just acting like a general tool. Lot of people I talk to seem to think going a year without a six- (or seven) digit salary might not be a bad thing to slap some of these thugs back into reality.  Unfortunately there are a lot of five-figure grunts who don't play the game who would have tremendous hardship in the event the 2011 season doesn't happen.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on May 07, 2011, 05:38:40 pm
I've been reading where there are players out of money NOW.  How can that be? Don't they structure the contracts to  get pd year round? Didn't they think this could happen when the owners opted out? Saw where somebody else got arrested. This is going the way of boxing. I'm not going to watch if this keeps up. I mean it. I haven't watched a baseball game in forever, I can do the same for these clowns.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on May 08, 2011, 12:48:41 am
Its a lockout not a stike.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 08, 2011, 07:29:38 am
I'll watch as long as it is structured with a salary cap and a salary floor.  Any semblance to baseball and it won't ever hold the same interest for me.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 08, 2011, 08:18:01 am
what is bad is if the players get what they want, to disban the league, the top guys in the league will make more money and the guys at the bottom less. Someone is selling these dudes bad weed or something,.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 08, 2011, 10:31:30 am
Exactly if the players win you will have 5% of the players making 90% of the money.  The majority of the players will make less then they do now and have less benefits.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 11, 2011, 03:35:37 pm
Looks like the Vikings AREN'T moving to LA after all.....

Vikings, Ramsey County announce agreement to build new stadium in Arden Hills

http://www.twincities.com/ci_18033192?source=most_emailed&nclick_check=1
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 11, 2011, 03:48:24 pm
LA Vikings?

Minnesota has already lost their Lakers to LA

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 11, 2011, 03:56:00 pm
Got a text in to my brother who lives 20 minutes from the proposed new Vikings stadium site.

Hoping he can give me a download on the latest and how the locals are feeling about it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 12, 2011, 05:34:24 am
I for one, am glad the Vikings are staying put.  I hate to see a bitter rival leave the division.  Bears, Packer, Vikings, Lions have played in the same division my entire life and that's the way it should stay, dag nab it!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 12, 2011, 05:34:54 am
Which by the way, "dag nab it" is not blocked.  Just saying...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 12, 2011, 08:18:58 am
Big plans for this new stadium according to my brother who lives about 10 miles from the proposed new site.

They're looking at not just a stadium, but an entire complex that will include a Vikings Hall of Fame, restaurants, shopping, etc. Parking space for 21,000 vehicles which will be needed since public transit to that area (i.e., light rail) does not exist.

If any of you want to Google Map it, put in Shoreview and that's where the proposed site is. It is actually the former site of an ammunition plant.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 12, 2011, 10:28:17 am
From PFT:

There might be a good option just north of Chicago anyway. James Jones desperately wants to start in the NFL, but he's getting squeezed out of Green Bay's plans. He certainly has the talent to start, however.

Packers fans might not like it, and Bears fans might not want him because of his Packers connections, but Jones would give Jay Cutler and Mike Martz another productive receiving talent to help improve their passing game.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 12, 2011, 10:59:52 am
Packers fans might not like it, and Bears fans might not want him because of his Packers connections, but Jones would give Jay Cutler and Mike Martz another productive receiving talent to help improve their passing game.

Why would Bears fans not want him?  That's insanity. The Packers' 4th or 5th best WR is as good as our 3rd guy, easily. We went the majority of last year with one legit NFL WR (Bennett), a fast but undersized project (Knox) and a gadget guy (Hester). And we didn't address WR in the draft AT ALL. Bringing a guy like James Jones into the fold could only help.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 12, 2011, 11:29:02 am
Actually, Jones and Nelson were co-equal #3s.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 12, 2011, 05:13:34 pm
a fast but undersized project (Knox) and a gadget guy (Hester). And we didn't address WR in the draft AT ALL.

Well Knox was an all-pro a couple years ago and had close to a thousand yards receiving this past season and you call him a "project"?  Incredible.

And Hester led the team in receptions a couple years ago and averaged close to 12 ypc last season is now a "gadget guy"?  Unbelievable....

And whom would you prefer the Bears draft around the 3rd round and below that you feel could make a difference this season?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on May 12, 2011, 06:40:38 pm
Knox wasn't all-pro as a receiver...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 13, 2011, 05:54:42 am
I think we used Hester a lot better this past season, though I am still looking for those crossing patterns that they throw to Deseasn Jackson.  Kind of like keep away.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 13, 2011, 09:09:27 am
Green Bay - Greg Jennings

Minnesota - Sidney Rice

Detroit - Calvin Johnson

Chicago - ?


Get it?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on May 13, 2011, 09:11:45 am
Yeah, no matter how you slice it, we really had no true No 1 WR. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 13, 2011, 10:36:22 am
Why do we necessarily need it? I think we can be very effective without a true #1 receiver. If we just get that OLine fixed.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 13, 2011, 02:07:24 pm
Green Bay - Greg Jennings

Minnesota - Sidney Rice

Detroit - Calvin Johnson

Chicago - ?


Get it?

I don't believe our WR's are as crappy as yapper claims they are.

We have quality at the position and don't believe a 4th rounder or less from this year's draft could come in and make an immediate impact so complaining about not drafting one doesn't make sense to me.

With Knox, Hester, and Bennett we have a neucleus to work with.  Still to this day we don't know why Martz didn't like Aromashadu and never gave him a real chance to play.  He could be that feature WR that some of the guys are craving for here.  Martz just won't play him just like him not giving Kellen Davis some PT at the TE spot.  Davis should be utilized more with his size and strength.

I like our WR's and TE's going into the season.  If the Angelo gets a big name receiver in then it'll be making a position that's pretty good much better.

Just don't understand why some are dogging our WR's.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on May 13, 2011, 02:20:44 pm
Because when some look at Jennings, Driver, Jones and Nelson...they see your best is maybe fourth in that group.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on May 13, 2011, 02:31:21 pm
If Martz was the only guy down on Aromashadu I might agree but he couldn't catch on with other teams either. It's not just Martz.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 13, 2011, 02:36:39 pm
What I can't figure out is why Aroma was supposedly in the doghouse for not going over the middle... yet Knox, whose game is just as "soft", plays full-time.

Maybe it's a personality thing.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 13, 2011, 02:39:09 pm
Because when some look at Jennings, Driver, Jones and Nelson...they see your best is maybe fourth in that group.

Our group was a game from the Super Bowl.

WR wasn't the issue with why we didn't make it.  I'll take our group any day of the week.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 13, 2011, 04:43:42 pm
I agree, however, we do need a taller more physical receiver. Right now, not having seen or had any specs on that new Canadian, I dont know if we need another receiver or not. Knox sure isnt physical enough and neither is Hester.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 13, 2011, 06:04:48 pm
I agree.  WR is not our biggest need.  However a big tall WR that could get the jump balls would help Cutler immensley because when he is in trouble he could just throw it out there and let him get it.  We do not have that receiver on our team right now and Cutler needs one.

However I would take a guard over a Wr in free agency 10 times out of ten. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 13, 2011, 07:23:35 pm
Absolutely.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Fearless Freep on May 13, 2011, 07:36:32 pm
Needing top receivers is commensurate with the type of offence the team runs. The type of West-Coast offence the Packers run demands a high-calibre receiver corps with a premium on quickness (and height preferably) to separate from coverage and get lots of YAC after the quick-release. It seems to me that the Bears offence (in spite of OC Martz) isn't so quick-strike and more dependent (maybe by design rather than result) on the run setting up the pass. Would a better running game make their receivers better? I really like Knox - lots of heart.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 13, 2011, 08:46:08 pm
".....However I would take a guard over a Wr in free agency 10 times out of ten.... "
unless that WR is Steve Smith from CAR :-)
I think a WR like him could help our guys. He is similar with an attitute that our guys could use.
That being said we need more OL help.

BTW, I know Steve Smith isn't an FA but there is talk he wants out of CAR.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 13, 2011, 08:51:04 pm
Steve Smith is not the guy we need.  We need a big tall WR who can out fight defenders for the ball.  We don't have that guy on our roster and I don't think Smith is that guy anymore.  He was always short and fast and was unbelievable in making big plays but he is getting old and I don't think he has it anymore.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 14, 2011, 12:11:47 pm
Jennings is 5-11 and Driver is 6-0.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Fearless Freep on May 14, 2011, 12:53:56 pm
..... yeah, so I was not right about their height, but they sure do separate - my son insists that the Packers' receivers are so good because they run their routes  very, very well.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 14, 2011, 06:15:53 pm
I don't thnk that you were wrong about Thompson preferring bigger receivers, Fearless.  He does.  Jordy Nelson is 6-3, 217 and Jones is 6-1, 208.  I only mentioned Driver and Jennings as an aside, that it's possible to succeed at 6 feet tall or less.

Randall Cobb is only 5-11.   He is kind of a special circumstance, though.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 16, 2011, 10:41:26 am

I'm not saying our O-line can't be improved.  BUT if I have a chance to add ONE quality guard or ONE quality WR - I add the WR.

Look at the last month of the season...Forte was running the ball pretty well.  There were more running holes and the pass blocking improved as the season progressed after Martz altered his play calling.   Bears offense was still not where it needs to be but we did add a #1 pick at tackle in the draft.

As for the comparisons to the GB WRs.  First of all, Cutler is not Aaron Rodgers.  Rodgers is a 65% passer...Cutler is 60%.  And Rodgers doesn't throw nearly as many picks as Cutler.  He's just flat out more accurate - probably the most accurate in the conference.

Cutler just needs more help - he needs a bigger WR that can fight for the jump balls.  We rarely win those battles with our WRs.  Look how the bigger WRs have helped out Mark Sanchez.

You got to hope that Tice with another year of familiarity and coaching will be able to find a couple guards out of group that's for the most part fairly young and inexperienced.  I would love to see another FA guy in that mix too and I'm sure we will, but our biggest priority is go-to guy on offense.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 16, 2011, 11:06:30 am
The X factor in all of this is whether Greg Olsen can take his game up another notch in consistency as a receiving threat.

There were games last season where he played at (or at least close to) his 1st round status in that regard...  but way too many other games where he disappeared as a weapon altogether.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 16, 2011, 11:22:11 am
Martz had him blocking... a lot last season.  Might explain why his numbers regressed in 2010 from 2009.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 16, 2011, 11:40:48 am
And to Olsen's credit, his blocking improved dramatically.

The deal is, when you spend a 1st rounder on a TE, that guy had better be a special player.  We've seen some flashes from Olsen but they've been too few and far in-between, especially for a guy this far along in his career.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 16, 2011, 12:50:37 pm
I've written too many posts over the years defending our too soft, fumbling, can't block, easy to tackle TE.

Here's a recent article from Dan Pompei talking about roster contingency plans for each position.  Each position is identified except for 2 - half back and tight end. 

So in other words we have bigger problems at other positions - TE isn't one of them:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0515-bears-pompei-chicago--20110514,0,7521457.column


Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 16, 2011, 04:31:19 pm
Kellen Davis should be utilized more but Martz won't use him.  He and Aromashadu are being ignored by the OC.   He can't see the talent right before his eyes.  Incredible.....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 16, 2011, 04:56:50 pm
I think we'd all like to see Kellen Davis utilized more.  But Martz trusted Manu more than any of the other TEs so he got the majority of snaps, especially when our O-line was so horrid early on.

If Tice can get the O-line protecting better Martz might be able to play his two tall TEs more as receiving weapons than as pass protectors. 

But realistically I think all we can hope for is for Davis to take over more of Manu's snaps.  I really doubt that Martz changes his philosophy with passing more to TEs.

As for Aroma - he's gone.   No use talking about him anymore.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 16, 2011, 05:06:36 pm
Ooooh blocking is a sin.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 16, 2011, 05:16:04 pm
I think we'd all like to see Kellen Davis utilized more.  But Martz trusted Manu more than any of the other TEs so he got the majority of snaps, especially when our O-line was so horrid early on.

He sucked as well with his pass blocking.  He couldn't block for Forte either.  Rather would've had Davis out there than this guy.

Quote
As for Aroma - he's gone.   No use talking about him anymore.

I agree he's gone but I disagree about not talking about him because it proves that Martz isn't utilizing the talents he has on the roster.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 16, 2011, 05:33:35 pm
Manu frequently was called upon to pass block against a DE one on one cuz our o-lineman needed to double team the other d-lineman.

I'm pretty sure Olsen or Davis couldn't do that - although Olsen was getting better at it as the season progressed.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 16, 2011, 05:38:51 pm
You'll never know if Davis could do it if he's not playing.

He's a huge target that others here have been craving for at the TE position but not being utilized.

I hope it changes IF there's a season.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 17, 2011, 09:24:43 am
Posted by Mike Florio on May 16, 2011, 11:22 PM EDT
 
Getty ImagesIn response to the recent remarks of NFLPA* executive director DeMaurice Smith comparing the labor dispute to a mob war, we suggested that Smith dial back the rhetoric.  But now, even with his effort to lift the lockout on the verge of sleeping with the fishes, Smith continues to talk tough.

“It’s a disappointment obviously that as far as we can tell this is the first sports league in history who sued to not plays its game,” Smith told reporters after Monday’s ruling.  “Congratulations.”

We’re not sure what that means.

This guy Smith is a real pain in the arse.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 17, 2011, 11:55:10 am
He is a friend of Obamas and has political aspirations.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 17, 2011, 01:03:03 pm
He is the HMFIC
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: stelz on May 17, 2011, 03:36:14 pm
From listening last season, it wasn't that Olsen disappeared, it was that throwing to him wasn't part of the game plan...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 17, 2011, 03:58:47 pm
I can think of exactly one game out of 18 last season where our TEs made a significant contribution to the win (as pass catchers)... and that was the playoff win over the Seahawks. And that's with supposedly having two of the better receiving TEs in the league (Olsen and Kellen Davis).  It doesn't add up.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 17, 2011, 04:29:47 pm
I thought that was the start of some good strategic game planning - Martz has some offensive tools of he keeps the other team guessing
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 17, 2011, 04:48:09 pm
yapper

Just offhand Olsen had that huge catch against the Cowboys...and a few big catches in the win against the Packers.

And no one had more receiving TDs than Olsen's 5 with the Bears (Knox had 5 also).

But I guess since he's not Antonio Gates you think he was a wasted #1 draft pick...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 17, 2011, 05:24:43 pm
At least he's not getting booed by the drunken fans (yet)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: stelz on May 17, 2011, 05:31:33 pm
Martz has a history of not using TE's execpt for blocking, and that tendency is still operating.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 17, 2011, 05:47:33 pm
Which made that Seattle game so impressive...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 17, 2011, 06:05:21 pm
Which one, the first or second Seattle game.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 17, 2011, 06:57:41 pm
I make it a policy to never read the ratings of players becasue they don't make much sense.

Nevertheless I decided to follow the top 100 players rated on NFLN since they are voted on by the players.

No more of that.  The rating showed WR Jennings rated #84, with 14 WRs rated above him.  It looks like the players are no  better rating other players than fans or commentators are.

The gang on NFLN had a ball laughing about that.  Jennings was mad as hell and justifiably so.  So much for that rating fiasco.

Would anyone like to name 14 WRs that you rate above Jennings.

Incidentally, he was #4 WR in total yardage over the past 3 seasons.

Kind of like picking Matty Ice over Rodgers for the Pro-bowl.  I think Rodgers proved who should have been selected when they played against each other in the play-offs.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: stelz on May 17, 2011, 08:45:41 pm
I'd take Jennings in a second.   No way are there 14 guys above him.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 17, 2011, 08:57:14 pm
Jennings is top 5 for sure.

My guess is in voting people tend to vote only one Packer WR.  So that splits the votes.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on May 18, 2011, 08:43:25 am
Man, I knew this was happening, but I thought maybe a couple of people. It'll get worse as the lockout goes on.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-lockout-leads-to-players-taking-out-cash-loans-with-huge-interest-rates-051511
These guys a pulling down at least 325g a year! Plus endorsements, plus tv, plus radio......WTF?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 18, 2011, 10:43:18 am
I need help from some computer guru.

I can't get links to come up on this board and on Face Book.  The links come up fine on other sites.

Any clue?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 18, 2011, 12:48:11 pm
are you using the link button int he Edit screen? It is right below the Italics button.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 18, 2011, 06:58:50 pm
I'm confused.  What is the edit screen?  I see a kind of grayed-out link in the post and click on it.  Nothing happens.
 
When I ckick the kink underline darkens as though it is going to move but doesn't do so.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 19, 2011, 05:29:32 am
lets see if this works
www.packerssuck.com (http://www.packerssuck.com)

just put [ u r l ] www.packerssuck.com [ / u r l ]
just remove the spaces and it should work
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 19, 2011, 05:31:40 am
actually I don't think you need the tags for the link to work.
here is a link without the tags
www.packerssuck.com

I guess JJ will appreciate that urls are not censored so if he can put his cursings into URL form he can get away with it :-)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 19, 2011, 07:57:22 am
Boy thats a lot to go through just to be able to curse. Its hard for me to understand the necessity to do so
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 19, 2011, 09:47:03 am
ooops.  I think there is some confusion here.  I have no problem posting a link but when I try to go to a link posted on this board by clicking it, it will not come up.

It doesn't seem posssible that I can post the link and after its posted I cannot get to it on this board.

My son is on the help desk at Bro-Menn Hospital and he is baffled by it so something strange is obviously occuring.

Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 19, 2011, 04:49:36 pm
 Copy & pasted :

 http://www.nfl.com/

 It works.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 19, 2011, 04:53:28 pm
actually I don't think you need the tags for the link to work.
here is a link without the tags
www.packerssuck.com

I guess JJ will appreciate that urls are not censored so if he can put his cursings into URL form he can get away with it :-)

Boy thats a lot to go through just to be able to curse. Its hard for me to understand the necessity to do so

 What the fuuck are you chapping my ass for?

 I didnt do a motherfuuckin thing to anybody to deserve this.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 19, 2011, 04:59:19 pm

 Packy,

 I clicked on 46's posted link #142...it opened just fine.

 About lining up for money.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 19, 2011, 05:11:58 pm
 Nav,

 www.packers suck doesnt open.

 try this :

 http://www.packers-suck.com/

 Dont bother me about curse words...keep working on your links.  :o
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 19, 2011, 06:57:16 pm
Packy,

 I clicked on 46's posted link #142...it opened just fine.


That's the point, jj.  When I click on that link (or any link) it won't come up for me.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 19, 2011, 07:06:39 pm

 Packy,

 You may want to go back to your sign in site on this board and see if you have "links" turned off.

 Go to your profile and check it out. Thats the best I can do. Its working for others.  :-\
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: stelz on May 20, 2011, 06:56:56 am
it may be a setting in your internet explorer browser.

Does it help if you hold down CTRL and click on the link?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on May 20, 2011, 04:24:17 pm
Sorry that it's not coming up for you any more Pack, but I can't help you there. Don't they have pills for that?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 20, 2011, 05:36:36 pm
it may be a setting in your internet explorer browser.

Does it help if you hold down CTRL and click on the link?

 Stelz may be onto somthing...it could not be related to this board.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 20, 2011, 07:46:17 pm
Does it help if you hold down CTRL and click on the link?

Sorry.  No help.

I'll just cut and paste.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: stelz on May 21, 2011, 07:49:05 am
A lot of people are having this problem with Windows 7.  I found this on microsoft's support website  from a guy named OnyXxL that seemed to fix this problem for many people:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/forum/ie8-windows_7/links-in-will-not-open-a-new-window-or-tab-in/e312e580-1cbc-496b-8c6b-b69b8535a7bb?page=2


Hi,

I followed a tip given by Pbell on this forum. Originally, it was made to resolve problems on IE8 32 bits when you use a 32 bits OS. I changed "%ProgramFiles(x86)%" var, and now my issue is resolved for IE8 32 bits on my Windows 7 64 bits. Please try it, and tell me if everything work for you.

For Win 7 64 bits :

1 - Create a new notepad document and paste this text :

@echo off
echo.
echo IEREREG Version 1.07 for IE8 27.03.2009
echo by Kai Schaetzl http://iefaq.info
echo installs and registers (if suitable) all DLLs known to be used by IE8.
echo should only take a few seconds, but please be patient
echo.
REM ******************************
echo registering IE files
REM IE files (= part of setup)
regsvr32 /s /i browseui.dll
REM regsvr32 /s /i browseui.dll,NI (unnecessary)
regsvr32 /s corpol.dll
regsvr32 /s dxtmsft.dll
regsvr32 /s dxtrans.dll
REM simple HTML Mail API
regsvr32 /s "%ProgramFiles(x86)%\internet explorer\hmmapi.dll"
REM group policy snap-in
regsvr32 /s ieaksie.dll
REM smart screen
regsvr32 /s ieapfltr.dll
REM ieak branding
regsvr32 /s iedkcs32.dll
REM dev tools
regsvr32 /s "%ProgramFiles(x86)%\internet explorer\iedvtool.dll"
regsvr32 /s iepeers.dll
REM Symptom: IE8 closes immediately on launch, missing from IE7
regsvr32 /s "%ProgramFiles(x86)%\internet explorer\ieproxy.dll"
REM no install point anymore
REM regsvr32 /s /i iesetup.dll
REM no reg point anymore
REM regsvr32 /s imgutil.dll
regsvr32 /s /i /n inetcpl.cpl
REM no install point anymore
REM regsvr32 /s /i inseng.dll
regsvr32 /s jscript.dll
REM license manager
regsvr32 /s licmgr10.dll
REM regsvr32 /s msapsspc.dll
REM regsvr32 /s mshta.exe
REM VS debugger
regsvr32 /s msdbg2.dll
REM no install point anymore
REM regsvr32 /s /i mshtml.dll
regsvr32 /s mshtmled.dll
regsvr32 /s msident.dll
REM no reg point anymore
REM regsvr32 /s msrating.dll
REM multimedia timer
regsvr32 /s mstime.dll
REM no install point anymore
REM regsvr32 /s /i occache.dll
REM process debug manager
regsvr32 /s "%ProgramFiles(x86)%\internet explorer\pdm.dll"
REM no reg point anymore
REM regsvr32 /s pngfilt.dll
REM regsvr32 /s /i setupwbv.dll (not there anymore!)
regsvr32 /s tdc.ocx
regsvr32 /s /i urlmon.dll
REM regsvr32 /s /i urlmon.dll,NI,HKLM
regsvr32 /s vbscript.dll
REM VML renderer
regsvr32 /s "%CommonProgramFiles%\microsoft shared\vgx\vgx.dll"
REM no install point anymore
REM regsvr32 /s /i webcheck.dll
regsvr32 /s /i /n wininet.dll
REM ******************************
echo registering system files
REM additional system dlls known to be used by IE
REM added 11.05.2006 Symptom: Add-Ons-Manager menu entry is present but nothing happens
regsvr32 /s extmgr.dll
REM added 12.05.2006 Symptom: Javascript links don't work (Robin Walker) .NET hub file
regsvr32 /s mscoree.dll
REM added 23.03.2009 Symptom: Find on this page is blank
regsvr32 /s oleacc.dll
REM added 24.03.2009 Symptom: Printing problems, open in new window
regsvr32 /s ole32.dll
REM mscorier.dll
REM mscories.dll
REM Symptom: open in new tab/window not working
regsvr32 /s actxprxy.dll
regsvr32 /s asctrls.ocx
regsvr32 /s cdfview.dll
regsvr32 /s comcat.dll
regsvr32 /s /i /n comctl32.dll
regsvr32 /s cryptdlg.dll
regsvr32 /s /i /n digest.dll
regsvr32 /s dispex.dll
regsvr32 /s hlink.dll
regsvr32 /s mlang.dll
regsvr32 /s mobsync.dll
regsvr32 /s /i msieftp.dll
REM regsvr32 /s msnsspc.dll #no entry point
regsvr32 /s msr2c.dll
regsvr32 /s msxml.dll
regsvr32 /s oleaut32.dll
REM regsvr32 /s plugin.ocx #no entry point
regsvr32 /s proctexe.ocx
REM plus DllRegisterServerEx ExA ExW ... ?
regsvr32 /s /i scrobj.dll
REM shdocvw.dll hasn't been updated for IE7 and IE8, it still registers itself for the Windows Internet Controls
regsvr32 /s /i shdocvw.dll
regsvr32 /s sendmail.dll
REM ******************************
REM PKI/crypto functionality
REM initpki can take very long to run and is rarely a problem
REM if there are problems with crypto, SSL, certificates
REM remove the three following REMs from the lines
REM echo We are almost done except one crypto file
REM echo but this will take very long, be patient!
REM regsvr32 /s /i:A initpki.dll
REM ******************************
REM tabbed browser, do at the end, why originally with /n ?
regsvr32 /s /i ieframe.dll
REM ******************************
echo correcting bugs in the registry
REM do some corrective work
REM Symptom: new tabs page cannot display content because it cannot access the controls (added 27. 3.2009)
REM This is a result of a bug in shdocvw.dll (see above), probably only on Windows XP
reg add "HKCR\TypeLib\{EAB22AC0-30C1-11CF-A7EB-0000C05BAE0B}\1.1\0\win32" /ve /t REG_SZ /d %systemroot%\system32\ieframe.dll /f
REM ******************************
echo all tasks have been finished
echo.
pause

2 - Close all your IE windows and processes.
3 - Save your document on your Desktop by example, with the .bat extension. Right-click on it, and select "Run as administrator".
4 - Test if this tip resolved your issue by openning IE. If you use a Windows 32 bits version, please replace %ProgramFiles(x86)% by %ProgramFiles% in your .bat file.

OnyXxL
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: stelz on May 21, 2011, 07:50:10 am
I'm still creaking along with Windows XP!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 21, 2011, 10:24:30 am
XP works fine for me.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 21, 2011, 10:53:28 am
Windows 7 is fantastic.  It is the first trouble-free system that I have ever used.

According to comments from those who tried your solution everyone seems to have had success with it, Stelz.  Unfortunately the procedure is too complex for a geezer like me.  I have copied it and sent it to my son.  I think that he will be able to solve the problem.  ;-)

I really appreciate the help offered here!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: stelz on May 21, 2011, 10:58:36 am
You're welcome packrat, hope it works out in the end. 

They have known about this obviously for over a year.  Maybe if you did "windows updates"  the problem would sort itself out.  In XP, windows update is in a pull down menu under "safety" in internet explorer 8.  Those are pretty easy to do...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 22, 2011, 01:37:15 pm

 Been using XP since 2001...NEVER A BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH...EVER!

 Internet Explorer 6 worked bulletproof...DL'd IE8 and the fun began...

 lost two years worth of e-mails.  ???

 Packy you have convinced me to steer clear of Win 7.

 We are all on the same page as XP users except you.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on May 22, 2011, 01:54:44 pm
Was forced to Windows 7  for work when they upgraded all the laptops. Don't like it...spend a lot of time talking to the help desk about problems
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 22, 2011, 02:43:58 pm
the only problem I have ever had with Win7 is that my old MFP printers didn't have software available for Win7. You can print but the scanner didn't work.

A few weeks later I was able to dl the newer software.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 22, 2011, 04:54:28 pm
Have XP and IE7. Tried to download IE8 and it didnt work. Son-in-law had me delete IE8 and havent had a bit of trouble since. I see there is a new IE out. Bet that wont work either.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 22, 2011, 06:07:56 pm
Packy you have convinced me to steer clear of Win 7.


Anything to help a buddy.  ;-)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 22, 2011, 06:20:10 pm
I see the Bears winning this division this season.

Our defense can handle the Packed's offense but with us upgrading the line with Cirimi I feel pretty good going into the season so far.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 22, 2011, 06:42:14 pm
I don't know about handling the Packer's offense but the Bears defense played the Packers about as well as any other NFL team.

Obviously, you'd like to see Paea be productive but Melton is the guy that really needs to establish himself now that Harris is gone.  And they really need a 3rd DE work into the rotation as Peppers and Idonijie faded over the last month.  Is Corey Wooten that guy?

Tim Jennings came out of nowhere and was really solid all year, but he struggled in games against the Pack.  Bowman has the athletic ability to play the LCB, but can he do the dirty work and take the job from Jennings?

I'd like to see what Joshua Moore can do too - hopefully he's been working on that anemic bench press.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 22, 2011, 07:04:33 pm
Bowman didn't impress last season at all.

As for you not knowing about the  Bears handling the Packed offense check out last season.  If I recall they scored 17, 10, and 14 points against the Bears last season and playoffs.

I think they did a very good job of "handling" the Packed offensively last season.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 22, 2011, 07:09:36 pm
Too bad our O-line could not handle their exotic blitz packages.  We need to get our O-line fixed.  We have the correct OL coach imo.  Now Angelo needs to get him the talent.  Carimi was a great start.  I think we need a center or guard in free agency yet.  Possibly both.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 22, 2011, 08:36:05 pm

Bowman had an impressive 6 picks in 2009 and was moved to the LCB.  I can't say that I noticed him struggling in his first 3 starts (all Bears wins BTW), but the coached noticed something that got him benched in favor of Jennings.  I think the Bears' coaches wanted more effort at tackling.

He's got prototype CB size and speed - hopefully he can put it together and win the job in 2011 and improve on the interception totals at LCB (Jennings had 1 in 2010).

As for the Bears handling of the Pack in their 3 games.  Yeah, the Pack didn't put up huge ppoint totals in the 3 games  but they still moved the ball and dominated the time of possession for the most part.   Any time you give up more points than your opponent there is room for improvement particularly with our pass defense.

And the Packers will be making upgrades on their offense in the offseason so they could be tougher.

But we both know the real problems with the Bears is with the offense not the defense.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 23, 2011, 08:14:29 am
I see the Bears winning this division this season.

Our defense can handle the Packed's offense but with us upgrading the line with Cirimi I feel pretty good going into the season so far.

Nice to see your confidence at such a high level.  And thats even assuming we have a season this year. I suppose that since your confidnece level is so high you will be wagering, taking on all comers?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 23, 2011, 08:40:06 am
Until we solve the Packed's pass D we're not going very far against them.  That means pass protection #1 and overcoming their physical D-Backfield #2.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 23, 2011, 10:51:27 am
Our defense can handle the Packed's offense but.

Maybe so but Finley and Starks should be playing the entire season this year. 
 
Just for kicks keep an eye on Cobb at WR/KR and D.J. Williams at TE.  These guys could surprise.
 
I concur that the Bears played GB extremely well on defense last season.   
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 24, 2011, 05:28:09 pm
Our defense can handle the Packed's offense but.

Maybe so but Finley and Starks should be playing the entire season this year. 
 
Just for kicks keep an eye on Cobb at WR/KR and D.J. Williams at TE.  These guys could surprise.
 
I concur that the Bears played GB extremely well on defense last season.  

 No they didnt...they LOST when it counted most.

 G.B. revamped their defense...Raji...Clay Matthews.

 BEARRSSE fans have to hope Paea comes thru.

Then theres that dreaded third round pick...

 more bust then bountiful in the past...

 when Angelo goes insane...............
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on June 14, 2011, 11:36:09 am
Los Angeles Vikings? It's in the air (http://www.startribune.com/local/east/123666529.html)

(http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/630*371/1vtvike061111.JPG)

A Los Angeles-based group has interest in the Vikings, but a team executive said Friday the organization remains "100 percent committed to getting a stadium deal done in Minnesota."  The subject of the Vikings heading west if they don't get public help to build a stadium isn't new, and came up again after Anschutz Entertainment Group President Tim Leiweke told the Orange County Register on Thursday that the Vikings were one of five NFL franchises with which he has spoken.  Leiweke added that billionaire Philip Anschutz is prepared to acquire majority ownership in a team in order to bring it to Farmers Field, the $1 billion downtown Los Angeles stadium proposed by AEG.
 
"I think it's pretty much where it has been," Vikings Vice President Lester Bagley said of the team's stadium situation. "While it's true we have been approached by [Los Angeles area] stadium groups AEG and [Ed] Roski in the past, we think we're in a position to get our issue resolved during the special session in Minnesota."
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 14, 2011, 04:59:16 pm
Minny isn't moving.  They're getting their new stadium.  We've already discussed that over a month ago.

Jacksonville is the team primed for a move to LA.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 14, 2011, 05:32:42 pm
Minny isn't moving.  They're getting their new stadium.  We've already discussed that over a month ago.

Jacksonville is the team primed for a move to LA.

 What makes you think we want them?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 14, 2011, 05:39:34 pm
It's not what you want but what you're going to get!  :)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 14, 2011, 05:50:33 pm

 Keep dreaming.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on June 15, 2011, 08:39:58 am
Jville is the most likely team to move.
They are in a small market having trouble filling seats.
They have a hard time competing with MIA and TB.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on June 15, 2011, 03:43:44 pm
Actually they have Atlanta to compete with as well if you are going by geography
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on June 16, 2011, 09:36:20 am
The Jacksonville team should have been placed in Memphis from day 1.

Fools.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 16, 2011, 03:15:27 pm
Well they're going to be placed elsewhere soon.   Looks like it'll be to JJ's city of LA.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 16, 2011, 03:24:30 pm
The Jacksonville team should have been placed in Memphis from day 1.

Fools.

 Memphis is one hell of a football market...

 a team should have been made from scartch for Memphis.

 
Well they're going to be placed elsewhere soon.   Looks like it'll be to JJ's city of LA.

 You can knock off trying to scare us Phil.  ;)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 16, 2011, 03:27:17 pm
LOL!!! 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 17, 2011, 06:03:08 am
Seriously, why Memphis?  I remember when Jacksonville got the team, I thought it would just flourish.  Hot bed of college football, not really a transplant city.  I wonder if the football market had kept its prices affordable, would it had made it?  I think the rapid escalation of prices, a poor Florida economy in general have hurt all pro football teams in Florida.

So what is it about Memphis that you all think would work?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 17, 2011, 03:47:08 pm
From what I've seen since I've moved here Memphis is located where the team would be supported by the fact that they'll gather fans from central and eastern Arkansas, west & central Tennessee, and central and north Mississippi.   Even the bootheel of Missouri!

They would travel a short drive to get here to watch NFL football.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 17, 2011, 03:49:52 pm
Unfortunately they have a stadium that is just not worthy of an NFL team.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 17, 2011, 04:54:19 pm
Unfortunately they have a stadium that is just not worthy of an NFL team.

 Thats up to the city of Memphis to solve that problem...but look at the demographics...

 its wide open country for an NFl team...wheres the closest one?

 I have friends in Jacksonville...younger friends...they say the market is a retirement community of eastern seaboarders living there.

 They back the teams from the east coast,  so who needs a home team?

 They back what they grew up with and retired with.

 The only reason the Jags have any home attendence is to watch their teams show up and play.

 That was the fall of L.A. teams...there was never a big enuff sense of idenity that the Rams or Raiduhs were "our" teams.

 Thats why any movement of any team born in another city will fail in L.A.

 BTW...I'm still a Raiduhs fan...bought into it... :D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 17, 2011, 07:06:03 pm
The NFL keeps tryign to put another team in LA despite several previous failures.  People in LA just don't seem to give a **** about the NFL.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 17, 2011, 07:21:24 pm
The NFL keeps tryign to put another team in LA despite several previous failures.  People in LA just don't seem to give a **** about the NFL.

 No...we dont give a **** about an exported team.

 After having fielded 3 teams...RAMS- CHARGERS- RAIDERS its a pretty poor choice of words to say LA doesnt back an AFL/NFL team.

 We've done it more then any other city.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on June 18, 2011, 12:37:23 pm
They could move Jax to Orlando and fill seats for every game.  They could still keep there "hard core" fan base as Jax to O-town is 2 hour drive.
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Post by: Phill23 on June 18, 2011, 03:15:14 pm
No way the league OR TB would go for that.  That's TB's market and Orlando is a quick drive east.  Way too close.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 18, 2011, 03:17:56 pm
Thats up to the city of Memphis to solve that problem

Amen my brother!!!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 19, 2011, 01:03:51 am
No way the league OR TB would go for that.  That's TB's market and Orlando is a quick drive east.  Way too close.

 Trouble is in a court of law you would have to explain Frisco-Oakland.

 Or for that matter NYG-NYJ in the same stadium.

 BTW...heard that a share of Manchester-United is for sale...

 the BUCS owner owns a huge chunk of that team.

 So money talks.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 20, 2011, 12:09:33 pm
Trouble is in a court of law you would have to explain Frisco-Oakland.

Why?  SF has been in the league for about 50 years and OAK was absorbed in the NFL/AFL merger.  Not the same as JAX moving to TB's market.

Quote
Or for that matter NYG-NYJ in the same stadium.

Once again not the same situation.  I bet if a 3rd team tries to get into that market they would block it.

 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 21, 2011, 01:11:56 pm

 P23,

 You answered your own question.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 22, 2011, 10:44:02 am
Hmmm...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/22/adrian-peterson-will-skip-the-adrian-peterson-football-camp/

I met AP at a restaurant a couple years ago after the Bears/Vikings game there.  Shook my hand (even after I told him I was a Bears fan) and seemed like an exceptionally classy guy.

It would appear though that over the last couple years he's kinda turned into a tool.  Sad to see.  I think Favre's negative influence on that team has reached farther and deeper than a lot of people want to admit. Or maybe AP's just tired of being on teams that have so badly underachieved and squandered a lot of players' talents including his own.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on June 22, 2011, 10:49:45 am
Favre didn't make the Vikings a team of puds. They have been culivating that image for a long time.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 22, 2011, 11:30:22 pm
Favre didn't make the Vikings a team of puds. They have been culivating that image for a long time.

 Notice what a good job TICE did of destroying that team towards its downward spiral...

 the Minny boatrides...etc.

 and what a really good job he did of rebuilding our O-Line after the bye last year?

 I'd like to think the McCaskeys were that damn clever inserting a secret agent , but we know better.  :D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 23, 2011, 09:37:08 am
Mike Tice is a very very good position coach who simply does not have the skill set to be a good HC. We see it happen all the time.

In Tice's case he is very much a "players coach" and as a result was unable or unwilling to impose the discipline over that Vikings team that they needed.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 23, 2011, 06:11:00 pm
Yeah.  Rhodes was a "players coach"  in GB.  One of Wolf's blunders.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: stelz on June 23, 2011, 07:05:00 pm
What was great about it was that Wolf recognized his error and got rid of Rhodes after one year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 24, 2011, 12:14:45 am
What was great about it was that Wolf recognized his error and got rid of Rhodes after one year.

 True dat.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 25, 2011, 05:04:09 pm
You guys got that right.  Sometimes I wonder about some GMs and owners.  San Diego has underperformed for several years and they just make no coaching changes.

GB kept Bart Starr for 8 years; most of that time as GM/HC.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 26, 2011, 03:16:48 pm
You guys got that right.  Sometimes I wonder about some GMs and owners.  San Diego has underperformed for several years and they just make no coaching changes.

GB kept Bart Starr for 8 years; most of that time as GM/HC.

 Yeah explain to me how Dago was #1 in Offense and #1 in Defense and didnt make the playoffs!!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 26, 2011, 05:32:33 pm

 The Chicago Bears have spoken this offseason like a team that’s not lacking in confidence, with the latest comments coming from linebacker Lance Briggs, who says that when the lockout ends, the Bears will have a championship-caliber team.

In a video interview with the Chicago Tribune, Briggs said he thinks the Bears have the roster of a champion.

“There’s nothing normal about the lockout and not being with your team — you always want to be with your team and be preparing for the season,” Brigg said, adding that once the lockout ends the Bears will be, “Championship like — world championship like.”

Briggs’ comments come a month after his fellow Bears linebacker, Brian Urlacher, said the Bears, not the Packers, are the best team in the NFC. The Bears’ players certainly aren’t lacking in confidence. Even though Packers fans would point out that they are lacking in Super Bowl rings.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on June 26, 2011, 05:40:25 pm
Hey its very hard not to puff your chests out when you have that NFC Central Division Championship ring instead of say...THE SUPER BOWL one.

Krap the bears are the thrid best team in the Central or fourth if the Vikes get a QB.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 26, 2011, 05:55:33 pm
Hey its very hard not to puff your chests out when you have that NFC Central Division Championship ring instead of say...THE SUPER BOWL one.

Krap the bears are the thrid best team in the Central or fourth if the Vikes get a QB.

 You gotta take it personal baby...Cutler has to take what GB did to him and respond.

 Otherwise we dont have a team...he will respond...we owe you.

 Dont even think youre walking away last year with this year.

 1984...FRISCO 23...BEARRSSE 0.

 1985...SUPERBOWL WINNERS!

 Like 9/11...you can pull that stunt on us ONCE.

 We're coming for you sweetheart.


 BEARRSSE!!!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on June 26, 2011, 06:10:54 pm
Bring it on bears...The Packers are younger and more talented.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 26, 2011, 06:15:02 pm
Bring it on bears...The Packers are younger and more talented.

 It showed when you mistaked yourself out of the first game last season.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on June 26, 2011, 06:21:23 pm
Yup, 18 penalties to three, two touchdowns taken off the board...The Packers didn't let that happen again...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 26, 2011, 06:27:55 pm
Hell the Packers are so damn good they aren't even practicing together.  The Bears offense is getting together three times a week.  But with a young team coming off a Super Bowl win I am sure it won't be problem.  Packers are going undefeated and winning the SB again.  Just ask them or their fans.  Dumb asses!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 26, 2011, 06:37:27 pm
Yup, 18 penalties to three, two touchdowns taken off the board...The Packers didn't let that happen again...

 We put on 14 points with an unknown...we were that close... you was scared in the playoffs.

 Yer not as good as you think you are.  ;D

 Not against us you arent.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on June 26, 2011, 07:20:55 pm
You never had a chance in the game. We played soft on Hanie until we needed too and then...INT to seal the deal.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 26, 2011, 07:29:11 pm
You never had a chance in the game. We played soft on Hanie until we needed too and then...INT to seal the deal.

 You was scared...Raji made your day with the Int...you boys are going down.

 We'll take care of you.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 26, 2011, 08:05:33 pm
That Int was before the come come back.  Hanie and the Bears were one drive away from winning that game.  Cutler is better much better.

The Packers are lucky Cutler got hurt or the Bears wouyld eb the SB Champions just like they are the Division Champions.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on June 26, 2011, 08:24:59 pm
Prevent defense is the only thing that allowed the bears to inch closer to a merely bad defeat from a horrible one...wait it was a horrible defeat..losing to the Packers at home with a chance to go to the SB.

Too freaking bad....Not.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 26, 2011, 09:25:26 pm
Well at least I don't wear mittens and use a beer huggy at the same time to keep my beer cold?

I miss ACL he was a good man.  Too bad you couldn't be more like him Otto.

I suspect the Bears are going to own the Packers this year.  The Packers think they are all set and aren;t even bothering to work out with one another.  The Bears offense is working together three times a week with Cutler setting it up.  The Bears coaches are going over film and coaching each other up and bringing in other coaches.  What are the PAckers coaches doing other then enjoying their vacation?

One team is working hard to get where they want to be.  The other is sitting on their ass enjoying where they are.  I wonder which team will be better? 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 26, 2011, 10:03:18 pm

 Cutler was ran out of his own stadium by G.B.

 Either he remembers how not to have that done again.

 Or start Hanie.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 27, 2011, 11:07:19 am
Otto, "we"? What number do you wear? How's the lockout treating you? Still taking dips in Chimura's old hotub?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on June 27, 2011, 12:44:35 pm
46

I can Say "We" I own one share of commom stock worth $200 in the Green Bay Packers. The lock out sucks you know that. Of course, winning the SB last year helps because we still have really good feelings about our team and football in gemeral. Lets see hot tub or road drinking with steve mcmichaels? That one is tough...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Fearless Freep on June 27, 2011, 06:33:05 pm
Ya know!

Ya always respect your rivals no matter what the (recent) past! [
Vikings excepted]

The Bears will ALWAYS max-out against the Packers so just chew off the 'nails every time they play each other.

The division would be THAT much less without each other.

Bring it all on!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 28, 2011, 11:19:24 am
soo....using your logic, I can say "we" when talking about killing Bin Laden? I pay taxes, which filter to the armed services. Isn't there a difference between "watching" and "doing"? Can I call up Obama and tell him to stop the Libya airstrikes? Toss a nuke at Islamabad? And, your welcome to any hotub in Greenbay.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 28, 2011, 04:48:53 pm
One team is working hard to get where they want to be.  The other is sitting on their ass enjoying where they are.  I wonder which team will be better?

Not that I'm not thrilled the Bears are working out this offseason... cause I am...  but at some point it still comes down to talent and on that point, relative to the Packers, the Bears still have catching up to do. Especially our WRs vs their DBs,
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 28, 2011, 07:18:29 pm
This should be a very interesting season , keys.  The Bears and Pack fought it out toe-to-toe and camr up about even in 3 games.  The Bears had the better season record.

The Pack gets a couple of players back from the IR and I think they drafted a couple of players who can help this season.

OTOH, the Bears drafted some playrers that I believe will start this season and help them.

Both should be better next season than last season.  I believe that the 16 game season will coem about and "batten down the hatches" for another barn burner.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 28, 2011, 07:35:54 pm
In brightest day, in darkest night. . .

 Doz Bears will not escape my sight.

 Let dem what worships Chicago's might,

 Beware our power: Green Bay's Light!

Quoth the Green Lantern (From Mark Lawrence)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 29, 2011, 04:53:49 pm

 Fuuuuuck you Packy,

 I once had Green Lantern #1...(without the cover) and sold it for $1.00.

 Who knew?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearFan on June 29, 2011, 06:52:12 pm
In brightest day, in darkest night. . .

 Doz Bears will not escape my sight.

 Let dem what worships Chicago's might,

 Beware our power: Green Bay's Light!

Quoth the Green Lantern (From Mark Lawrence)

Nah, here's the Packer Charter   ;D

"The Ambiguously Gay Packers. They're taking on defenses, come what may.

They're fighting offenses to save Green Bay.

They're extremely close in an ambiguous way, they're ambiguously gay.

The Ambiguously Gay Packers."    ;D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 29, 2011, 06:55:51 pm
LOL!

Ace and Gary!!!

That cartoon cracks me up every time.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 29, 2011, 06:57:22 pm
I suspect Rodgers is gay.  You don't get bug eyes like that with out some help...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 29, 2011, 07:10:33 pm
LOL.  I expected that.  ;-)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearFan on June 29, 2011, 07:23:12 pm
Ace would play QB and Gary would be a Center...

ACE:  Say Gary, sure am proud to stand erect behind you for every play!

GARY:  What a thrill!

ACE:  And you really snap that ball hard, Gary!

GARY:  I know you need those balls in your hands fast.

ACE:  Thanks, Gary.  It is important to pull out quick and fire those bullets out there.

GARY:  And you have such a good head for the game, Ace.

ACE:  Gary, you can't just get that kind of head, you've got to earn it!

Gross, but funny!!   ;D

 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 29, 2011, 07:38:25 pm
JJ yours is better.  But me and my brother got giant Superman and Spiderman Comic books one year for Christmas.  No idea what happened but I am sure they were thrown away at some point.  I am guessing they would be worth some money.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 29, 2011, 07:45:41 pm
Most are just cartoons but this was the one they used live actors.

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/ambiguously-gay-duo/17w0ok5vd?q=ace+and+gary+the+ambiguous+duo&FORM=VIRE7
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearFan on June 29, 2011, 07:59:51 pm
Most are just cartoons but this was the one they used live actors.

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/ambiguously-gay-duo/17w0ok5vd?q=ace+and+gary+the+ambiguous+duo&FORM=VIRE7 (http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/ambiguously-gay-duo/17w0ok5vd?q=ace+and+gary+the+ambiguous+duo&FORM=VIRE7)

What are you looking at?

NOTHING!!!

Funny stuff  ;D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 01, 2011, 03:20:43 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG-eGMoUCkA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG-eGMoUCkA)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 02, 2011, 05:52:24 am
Stadium gets cheaper, but deal isn't done (http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/124751418.html)

Heh.  I don't think anyone for a minute believes in the sudden magical $200 million dollar reduction in the project.  It's hard to imagine being able to pass a billion dollar stadium bill through a government that is currently shut down and can't agree how to fix a 5 + billion dollar deficit. 

Fuuck you T-Paw.  Fuuck you Gov. Dayton.  Fuuck the duopoly Republican and Democrat political scam.  Most importantly, fuuck you to the international banksters who run the governments and fuucked up economies here and around the world. (couldn't help it  ::))

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 02, 2011, 09:57:55 am
Get down.  I see a chair flying across the room.   ;-)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 02, 2011, 03:50:51 pm
Stadium gets cheaper, but deal isn't done (http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/124751418.html)

Heh.  I don't think anyone for a minute believes in the sudden magical $200 million dollar reduction in the project.  It's hard to imagine being able to pass a billion dollar stadium bill through a government that is currently shut down and can't agree how to fix a 5 + billion dollar deficit. 

Fuuck you T-Paw.  Fuuck you Gov. Dayton.  Fuuck the duopoly Republican and Democrat political scam.  Most importantly, fuuck you to the international banksters who run the governments and fuucked up economies here and around the world. (couldn't help it  ::))

 But...they are your FRIENDS...they know whats best for you.

 Cant you trust them blindly as they lead you forward?

 You already have.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 02, 2011, 03:54:02 pm

 Theres a first for you VJ...my reply in your post.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 06, 2011, 12:57:05 pm
St. Paul City Council to throw a flag at the Vikings stadium plan
 (http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_18414700?source=rss)


The St. Paul City Council will go on record today publicly opposing a half-percent sales tax in Ramsey County as a means of funding a proposed Minnesota Vikings stadium in Arden Hills.  The resolution, sponsored by six of the seven council members, will appear before the city council at its meeting today. It states that the council "recognizes the social and economic value of the Minnesota Vikings ... to the State of Minnesota," but 52 percent of the county's 12,000 taxable businesses are in St. Paul, and 47 percent of the county's taxable sales come from St. Paul businesses.   In other words, St. Paul would shoulder $165 million of the county's $350 million contribution toward an Arden Hills stadium, equivalent to nearly doubling the city's property tax levy for a year.  City council President Kathy Lantry said that as much as she wants to keep the Vikings in Minnesota, she couldn't imagine county leaders raising taxes that high to cover core functions such as maintaining parks, supporting social services and increasing the number of sheriff's deputies.

"Would the Ramsey County board vote for a...property tax increase of that much money to have expanded and ongoing everyday services? The answer is unequivocally no," she said. "Of course they wouldn't."

With the city facing cuts to state aid, the council's resolution says the city's focus should be on maintaining basic municipal functions such as police and fire department services, libraries and public works.

------------------

I guess Hennepin county's plan for the Metrodome site can conceivably be back in play...or L.A.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 06, 2011, 02:06:43 pm

 That funny looking stadium in China is open for business...The Bejing Vikings!

 Whata perfect way to end the lockout...move all the teams to China.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on July 06, 2011, 02:28:43 pm
St. Paul City Council to throw a flag at the Vikings stadium plan
 (http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_18414700?source=rss)


The St. Paul City Council will go on record today publicly opposing a half-percent sales tax in Ramsey County as a means of funding a proposed Minnesota Vikings stadium in Arden Hills.  The resolution, sponsored by six of the seven council members, will appear before the city council at its meeting today. It states that the council "recognizes the social and economic value of the Minnesota Vikings ... to the State of Minnesota," but 52 percent of the county's 12,000 taxable businesses are in St. Paul, and 47 percent of the county's taxable sales come from St. Paul businesses.   In other words, St. Paul would shoulder $165 million of the county's $350 million contribution toward an Arden Hills stadium, equivalent to nearly doubling the city's property tax levy for a year.  City council President Kathy Lantry said that as much as she wants to keep the Vikings in Minnesota, she couldn't imagine county leaders raising taxes that high to cover core functions such as maintaining parks, supporting social services and increasing the number of sheriff's deputies.

"Would the Ramsey County board vote for a...property tax increase of that much money to have expanded and ongoing everyday services? The answer is unequivocally no," she said. "Of course they wouldn't."

With the city facing cuts to state aid, the council's resolution says the city's focus should be on maintaining basic municipal functions such as police and fire department services, libraries and public works.

------------------

I guess Hennepin county's plan for the Metrodome site can conceivably be back in play...or L.A.

If they don't get the funding for that new stadium then LA will have a team next season.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on July 06, 2011, 02:33:31 pm
Then where do the Jags end up?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on July 06, 2011, 02:36:04 pm
I can see not raising taxes, I'm all  for it.
Do they know how much they will lose if the Vikings move?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 06, 2011, 02:44:45 pm
The Hennepin County plan had racino/gambling-type tax proposals that are more politically palatable than raising property taxes.

They could sell on the jobs created by this project I suppose.

The government is still shut down right now.  They couldn't pass a stadium bill when Jesse was throwing around surplus rebate checks.  The budget constraints are a little more difficult this time around.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 07, 2011, 06:32:35 pm
Joseph from Wessington, SD
 
If you watched NFL Network’s top 100 players list, the Packers had the most players on the list, with seven players on it, even though I would disagree on what spots they went on the list. Hey, they made the list. What I thought that was cool was the NFC North had the most players overall. So are we the toughest division? We had 15 players on the top 100; two other divisions had 14, the NFC South and NFC East. The AFC had 51 players to the NFC's 49. The NFC had five players in the top 20, with two in the top 10 and one at the third spot. I already know who the best team is. Just something to think about and talk about until we get back to football.
 
Mike Spofford and I are launching a point, counterpoint series today. The first installment is an “AFC or NFC?” piece. You provide some worthy information. Based on the complaints I’ve received about NFL Network’s Top 100, I would’ve thought the Packers were totally ignored. Obviously, they were not. Yes, I believe the NFC North is a strong division, but I don’t think it’s the strongest in the league. I think the NFC South holds that distinction by a slim margin, mostly because the Bucs made the big jump up last season that I expect the Lions to make this season. If that, in fact, occurs, then the NFC North might be the best. Frankly, I think five divisions – NFC East, North and South and AFC East and North – are on the same plane.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearFan on July 09, 2011, 09:48:34 am
Joseph from Wessington, SD
 
If you watched NFL Network’s top 100 players list, the Packers had the most players on the list, with seven players on it, even though I would disagree on what spots they went on the list. Hey, they made the list. What I thought that was cool was the NFC North had the most players overall. So are we the toughest division? We had 15 players on the top 100; two other divisions had 14, the NFC South and NFC East. The AFC had 51 players to the NFC's 49. The NFC had five players in the top 20, with two in the top 10 and one at the third spot. I already know who the best team is. Just something to think about and talk about until we get back to football.
 
Mike Spofford and I are launching a point, counterpoint series today. The first installment is an “AFC or NFC?” piece. You provide some worthy information. Based on the complaints I’ve received about NFL Network’s Top 100, I would’ve thought the Packers were totally ignored. Obviously, they were not. Yes, I believe the NFC North is a strong division, but I don’t think it’s the strongest in the league. I think the NFC South holds that distinction by a slim margin, mostly because the Bucs made the big jump up last season that I expect the Lions to make this season. If that, in fact, occurs, then the NFC North might be the best. Frankly, I think five divisions – NFC East, North and South and AFC East and North – are on the same plane.


I did not watch the list show, but not surprised at the amount of talent in the division.  I think it would be unwise to discount the Lye-downs next year.  That defense may be scary good.   
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 09, 2011, 04:14:19 pm

 We went to the NFC Conference finals...got bested by the Pack.

 Thats what we remember.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 12, 2011, 07:43:00 am
From espn.com (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/28215/nfc-north-cap-status-with-120m-limit)

Some of you might already have seen John Clayton's projection of the NFL's 2011 salary cap (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6749994), which will return at least some teams to the era of cap-induced cuts and adjustments after years of escalated spending.  Clayton estimates a 2011 cap of $120 million for each team. That's about a six percent drop from the most recent cap in 2009, and it would require adjustments for two NFC North teams in order to be compliant. Below is a look at the cap status of all four of our teams along with some thoughts on potential impact:

Chicago Bears
Cap status: About $37 million under
Comment: If anything, the Bears will have to spend significantly in order to exceed the cap "floor," or the minimum expenditure required. Regardless, all indications have been that the Bears are prepared to be active in free agency. At least one starting-caliber offensive lineman should be on their shopping list.

Detroit Lions
Cap status: About $16.5 million under
Comment: The Lions are positioned to pursue cornerbacks and/or linebackers on the free agent market. But the big question everyone is asking: Can they fit cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha under the cap? The answer, as always in the case of the salary cap, is yes. Any one player can be squeezed in as long as the team is comfortable with the consequences. The Lions would need to make a priority judgment on whether Asomugha is worth the cap percentage he would consume or if they should use it on multiple other players.

Green Bay Packers
Cap status: About $62,000 under
Comment: As Clayton notes, the Packers have a couple relatively easy fixes. They seem likely to part ways with linebacker Nick Barnett, saving $4.4 million against the cap. Right tackle Mark Tauscher's presumed departure would erase another $4.5 million. And in reality, the Packers' biggest upcoming expenditures will be signing their draft class and probably kicker Mason Crosby.

Minnesota Vikings
Cap status: About $5.1 million over
Comment: Clayton suggests two fixes: Releasing receiver Bernard Berrian and extending the contract of tailback Adrian Peterson, who is scheduled for a monster base salary of $10.72 million. Coach Leslie Frazier said this offseason that he wants Berrian to return, and extending Peterson will be a delicate, complex and time-consuming project. You at least have to wonder how active the Vikings will be on the free agent market.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 12, 2011, 03:46:40 pm
Asomugha and the Lions' other young DBs (Delmas, etc.) backing a DL with VandenBosch, Suh and Fairley is about the worst thing that could happen to our sorry offense.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on July 12, 2011, 03:55:35 pm
Sorry offense?  Didn't the Bears sweep the mighty Lions last year with that sorry offense?

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 12, 2011, 05:39:55 pm
Just because we sweep a team one year is no guarantee that you sweep them the next year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on July 12, 2011, 05:49:06 pm
Sorry offense?  Didn't the Bears sweep the mighty Lions last year with that sorry offense?




Only because of a gift call
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: JBN on July 12, 2011, 06:27:43 pm
Actually it was the corect call.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 13, 2011, 06:23:05 am
I dont believe that. He held onto the ball long enough and he was in bounds. Its a flaky rule. It was a gift. It should have been a game winning catch.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 13, 2011, 08:22:40 am
By the book, it was the correct call.  IMO, it was the wrong call.  The repercussions of losing to Detroit at home on opening day would have been disasterous.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 13, 2011, 08:26:56 am
Lions not expected to be in bidding war for Nnamdi Asomugha (http://www.freep.com/article/20110711/SPORTS01/110711056/Lions-not-expected-bidding-war-Nnamdi-Asomugha)

Despite a glaring need at cornerback, the Detroit Lions don’t expect to be in the market for top cover man Nnamdi Asomugha when free agency begins after the NFL lockout.  Asomugha, who could command $18 million per year as the best available free agent, likely will be “too expensive” for the Lions, according to a team source.  The Lions’ exact free-agent pecking order isn’t known -- and much could change based on to-be-determined labor issues such as this year’s salary cap and a right of first refusal on three or fewer free agents. But the Lions would like to add a No. 1 cornerback such as Antonio Cromartie, Johnathan Joseph or Ike Taylor if the price is right.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on July 13, 2011, 09:25:01 am
with the line that Detroit should have next year they could put Walt Harris and RW McQuarters back there right now and not be too bad :-)

You'll have to screen and draw them to death.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 13, 2011, 03:38:55 pm

 Asomugha is such that it comes down to two things...

 either he is ours or he plays out of our division.

 In fact...out of our Conference.

 But him and Peppers...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on July 16, 2011, 03:50:17 pm
Quote
Releasing receiver Bernard Berrian

 ??? ??? ???  Berrian wouldn't be playing out that huge contract that he signed?  Never was worth it in the first place.  I am glad the Bears let him walk at that price.  I said that then and I say that now.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 16, 2011, 08:50:22 pm
??? ??? ???  Berrian wouldn't be playing out that huge contract that he signed?  Never was worth it in the first place.  I am glad the Bears let him walk at that price.  I said that then and I say that now.

 One thing is for damn sure he wasnt needed during the RICE/FARVE hookup in Minny.

 Wonder how RICE would look in Navy and Orange?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 18, 2011, 09:53:43 am
By Kevin Seifert» AFC Future Stars: East | West | North | South » NFC: East | West | North | South

A look at the players I expect to be the most dominant in the NFC North from 2014 to 2016:

As you know by now, ESPN.com invited readers this week to collaborate on a future Dream Team of NFL players. Projected target: The 2014-16 seasons. I wasn't among the experts who winnowed the list of nominations, and I'm fully aware that some deserving young NFC North players didn't make the cut.

My assignment for this post isn't to rectify those omissions. Rather, I need to list the division players I project as the most dominant three years from now. We obviously can't account for injuries, future draft picks or free agency movement, so we will cull from our burgeoning list of young stars.

Sorry, fans of the Chicago Bears and Minnesota Vikings. I refused to pick a player from each team just to be polite. The players all came from one NFC North pool. In alphabetical order:

Greg Jennings and Calvin Johnson, Green Bay Packers and Detroit Lions receivers (tie): Call it a cop-out if you want. I've consistently maintained I would take the present-day Johnson over the present-day Jennings because of his freaky and unique skills for the position. But in three years? While I think both players will still be highly productive, Johnson has a greater capacity for physical deterioration over time. But in 2014, he'll only be 28. Jennings will be 30. It's a draw.


Clay Matthews has notched 23.5 sacks in his first two seasons in the league.Clay Matthews, Packers linebacker: We know this: Matthews is off to one of the best career starts of any pass-rushing linebacker. He had 17 sacks in his first 20 NFL games and overall has 23.5 in his first two seasons. You might wonder what will happen if Matthews loses a bit of speed or wears down physically, but I'll take my chances that he will still be in pretty good shape in his sixth NFL season. He'll be 28 in 2014.

Aaron Rodgers, Packers quarterback: Put simply, Rodgers' first three seasons as a starter have been as productive as any quarterback currently enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. At the start of the 2014 season, he'll be 30 and presumably in the wheelhouse of his career. At that point, Rodgers might have outlasted Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, presumably ascending to the figurative mantle of the game's top quarterback.

Ndamukong Suh, Lions defensive tackle: It's hard to bet against a player who was one of two rookies -- ever -- to record 10 sacks as a rookie defensive tackle. Suh is a physical specimen who works hard at his conditioning and figures to be surrounded by talented players for several years. He'll be 27 in 2014 and should still be one of the NFL's most disruptive interior playmakers.

Honorable mention: Bears offensive tackle Gabe Carimi; Lions safety Louis Delmas; Vikings receiver Percy Harvin; Packers tight end Jermichael Finley, whom I passed over because of his contract uncertainty; Lions tight end Brandon Pettigrew; Packers nose tackle B.J. Raji; Packers guard Josh Sitton; Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford; Packers cornerback Tramon Williams, who will be 31 in 2014. As for the NFC North's top two runners of today, Adrian Peterson and Matt Forte, I questioned the impact of three more seasons on the traditionally short-lived career of a running back.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 20, 2011, 01:04:34 pm
LOL, the clus-terfu-ck in Viking land continues...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/20/metrodome-turf-needs-to-be-replaced-after-only-one-year/
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 20, 2011, 03:10:59 pm
LOL, the clus-terfu-ck in Viking land continues...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/20/metrodome-turf-needs-to-be-replaced-after-only-one-year/

 You could almost say the roof came down on that stadium ...  ::)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 26, 2011, 09:49:53 pm
The queens sign Aromashodu.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 27, 2011, 06:27:31 am
Well then, let's go and get Rice!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 27, 2011, 07:51:57 am
Hate to see Aroma go, but I'm not real concerned about him landing with the Vikings. I'm not real sure how much of Martz' offense he ever actually absorbed, and he certainly didn't get a lot of reps in it, so I'm not too worried about him giving away a bunch of secrets.  And anyway, seems like a lot of the good DCs did just fine solving the Martz offense on their own already.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 27, 2011, 07:56:50 am
McNabb to the Queens gaining momentum (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/126223793.html)

Seattle is the favorite to get Fried Rice.  Bevell is OC there.  They signed TJax and are angling for Leinart.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 27, 2011, 07:57:53 am
Looks to me like Seattle is tanking the season to get a shot at their real QB of the future (Luck) next year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: guest118 on July 27, 2011, 11:21:16 am
No way you sign a corner for that much cash. They get hurt way to easily. Plus into a new system and turf.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2011, 11:59:01 am
And I cant find a peep about Malcom Floyd and San Diego
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 27, 2011, 12:23:25 pm
There's quite a few blurbs on Floyd and they all say the same thing.  He's leaving SD.  Especially now that VJax is going to sign the tender.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 27, 2011, 05:45:35 pm
Looks like the McNabb to Vikings thing has bogged down.  Apparently it got out that McNabb was the Vikings' 2nd choice (to Tyler Thigpen LOL), and that didn't sit too well with McNabb. Nor did the ridiculously low compensation offered and reportedly accepted (6th round pick in 2012 and conditional 6th in 2013).

What I expect is happening is that McNabb is holding out for a certain amount of guaranteed money and/or the assurance he will be the guaranteed starter.  Meanwhile Frazier and the Vikings brass are seeing a repeat of the whole Favre fiasco and I would suspect, are strongly debating whether to just pull the offer off the table, save themselves the drama and go with Ponder from Day One.

It will be interesting to see if this trade actually happens, and how that outcome (whichever way it goes) winds up impacting the Vikings' season. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 27, 2011, 06:12:52 pm

 Tyler Thigpen was the only damn thing that worked on my FFL a few years back after Carson Palmer went down.  ;D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 27, 2011, 09:53:58 pm
Let the soap opera begin

McNabb headed to the Queens (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/126293923.html)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 28, 2011, 12:34:37 pm
Detroit going after Johnathan Joseph (http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Joseph-hotly-pursued/2ab13459-2fbe-4feb-a396-a3fcd4d9f355) while the Texans are going after both Joseph and Asomugha.  Smart move.  I hear some snoring at Halas Hall.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 28, 2011, 12:39:41 pm
Detroit going after Johnathan Joseph (http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Joseph-hotly-pursued/2ab13459-2fbe-4feb-a396-a3fcd4d9f355) while the Texans are going after both Joseph and Asomugha.  Smart move.  I hear some snoring at Halas Hall.

"We like the guys we've got"   Dontcha know...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 30, 2011, 02:11:34 pm
Detroit going after Johnathan Joseph (http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Joseph-hotly-pursued/2ab13459-2fbe-4feb-a396-a3fcd4d9f355) while the Texans are going after both Joseph and Asomugha.  Smart move.  I hear some snoring at Halas Hall.

 Youd LIKE to think they know what they are doing as Bourbonnais opens up ...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 01, 2011, 01:53:29 pm
I was wondering how much longer the Vikings were going to put up with Bryant McKinnie's declining play...  looks like his time may finally be up.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/01/vikings-swipe-peytons-blind-side-protector/
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 01, 2011, 07:44:11 pm
I was wondering how much longer the Vikings were going to put up with Bryant McKinnie's declining play...  looks like his time may finally be up.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/01/vikings-swipe-peytons-blind-side-protector/

 Soon to be with Randy Moss as another ex-Viking on the street looking for work ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 02, 2011, 10:56:03 am
GREEN BAY, Wis. -- It was hours before the Green Bay Packers' first practice of training camp when tight end Jermichael Finley stepped in front of reporters and announced that if he makes it through this season without missing a game he would "change the tight end position."

Then came the exclamation point.

"I guarantee it," he said.

I didn't know what he meant then, but I do now. I attended practice the next two nights and saw the future of the tight end position in jersey No. 88 for the Green Bay Packers. It is Jermichael Finley, and he is part wide receiver, part tight end and All-World at one of the game's most important positions.

Not since Tony Gonzalez appeared on the scene have I seen a tight end with hands this sure. In fact, during Sunday's 7-on-7 drill, Finley did the improbable and caught two passes at once -- one with each hand.

I'm serious.

He circled to the right flat for a sideline pass when, suddenly, a second ball appeared on his radar. Apparently, quarterbacks Matt Flynn and Graham Harrell got their signals crossed, and both aimed at Finley at the same time.

No problem. He simply stabbed one pass with his right hand, one with the left, then continued downfield as if nothing extraordinary occurred. The play went largely unnoticed by fans, but those who saw it looked at each other as if to say, "Naaaaahhhh I didn't just see that ... did I?"

 You did. Welcome to Jermichael Finley's world where everything is possible.

"Just a natural reaction," Finley said later. "It was just one of those things where I saw one ball coming and caught it, then saw another and tried to catch [it]. I just tried to do something different."

Get ready for a lot of that this season, people. Because if Jermichael Finley stays healthy, he fulfills his guarantee. He will raise the bar at the tight end position, and he will establish himself -- not Jason Witten or Gonzalez or Vernon Davis -- as the best tight end in the NFC and the closest thing to Antonio Gates in pro football.

Correction: If he stays healthy, he puts Gates in the rear-view mirror and establishes himself as the premier pass-catching tight end in the NFL.

Notice I said, If. Finley hasn't completed a 16-game season in two years, and he's in the last year of his contract. So 2011 is important for a lot of reasons. He must prove he can stay on the field, and he must prove he's worthy of a long-term deal.

One is contingent on the other, and Finley knows it. If he stays healthy he cashes in big ... with someone. If he doesn't, the Packers are so deep at the position -- with rookie D.J. Williams an early camp hit -- he won't get the big bucks.

But I can't see them flushing him. I mean, how can you? When you see what Finley can do -- play wide, play on the line, make big catches over the middle, make big catches in the end zone, you name it -- it's hard to let go. Plus, the Packers tend to keep their valued contributors, with wide receiver James Jones and fullback John Kuhn this week's examples.

But Finley is in another stratosphere than those guys. I mean it. Seldom has there been a tight end with so much ability, so much promise and so much waiting for him.

"The guy's got it all," said cornerback Tramon Williams. "You have good guys, great guys and some guys who are just gifted. He is gifted."

He is so gifted that I would suggest there is no defense or no defender out there who can handle Jermichael Finley. Only Jermichael Finley can keep him from moving to the A-list of tight ends, and that has nothing to do with character, practice habits or attitude and everything to do with injuries.

He just can't shake them, missing three games in 2009 and all but five last year.

For that reason, the Packers are taking it easy with him, easing Finley into practices slowly. Finley doesn't mind, saying that "if they let me go Sept. 8 [the season opener] I'll be the happiest guy in the world." So will the Green Bay Packers and their legions of fans. Because what you see is the next great tight end in the NFL about to happen ... provided, of course, he stays on the field.

"He's a freak," said coach Mike McCarthy. "Some of the things he does out here you just shake your head at.

"I just had a conversation with James Jones and told him that the 90-catch, 100-catch season in Green Bay is probably not going to happen. And that's a credit to you guys. It would be fun to throw it every snap.

"Trust me, I believe in running the football, and I think about running about as much as I can. But you have some guys who can do things with the ball."

I know of one who can do everything. Here's hoping we get to see it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 02, 2011, 11:03:29 am
Soon to be with Randy Moss as another ex-Viking on the street looking for work ?

Supposedly the Vikings' coaching staff was profoundly unimpressed with McKinnie's efforts (or lack thereof) to stay in shape during the lockout.

Combined with his steadily declining play at LT and Phil Loadholt as the apparent 10-year guy at the RT position, it leaves one of the last remaining holdovers from the Love Boat days with very little leverage.

UPDATE 8/2/11: Bryant McKinnie was cut by the Vikings today.  Supposedly topped 4 bills at training camp weigh-in and that was all Frazier needed to pull the trigger.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: guest118 on August 02, 2011, 05:04:10 pm
Yep - every pecker is a Pro-bowl, hall of famer. 16 and 0.

That was a sweet division win there by the Peckers last year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 02, 2011, 06:31:46 pm
Cobb is the guy I have been pimping as a possible draft steal:

Green Bay - Practice was 15 minutes old when James Jones made his entrance to the practice field Monday on a young fan's bicycle. He embraced his Packers teammates, one by one, clearly happy to be back. After testing free agency, the wideout is staying in Green Bay and can start practice Thursday.

And while Jones may be the story of the week, rookie Randall Cobb stole the show Monday.

With a sequence of smooth route running and difficult catches, Cobb hinted that he may warrant some type of role in the Packers' receiver-heavy offense. For now, coach Mike McCarthy is tempering his enthusiasm.

"Randall is everything, physically, we thought he would be," McCarthy said. "He has a good understanding so far of what we've asked him to do. But he needs reps with Aaron (Rodgers), reps with the quarterback for the timing, the spacing, the routes and how each concept works."

Cobb caught one laser from third-stringer Graham Harrell midway through practice and took it straight upfield for a big gain. Later, his most impressive catch came on a 10-yard crossing route from Rodgers. The pass was high, but Cobb leaped and snatched it.

Opportunities this season could be limited for the second-round pick out of Kentucky. With Jones re-signing and Jermichael Finley returning, there are only so many passes to go around. All in all, it's a good problem for McCarthy to have. For now, Cobb will get the first crack at punt return duties. On Monday, he displayed a natural ability to track down punts and return them in stride.

Now comes the hard point for McCarthy - figuring out how to use Cobb on offense.

"We have an opportunity to play the way we did last year and hopefully expand," McCarthy said. "We have 47 new concepts that we've added to this offense. We're trying to improve schematically and continue to create opportunities.
 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 03, 2011, 05:05:01 pm
News from Motown...  Lions fans gotta just be going, "what the F"...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/03/nick-fairley-undergoes-surgery/
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 03, 2011, 05:26:36 pm
News from Motown...  Lions fans gotta just be going, "what the F"...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/03/nick-fairley-undergoes-surgery/

 Welcome to the NFL Chris Williams ... Or is that Fairley ...

 Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Suck up that BEARRSSE juice for a draftee out of the mix !

 Been there ... done that. Hows his spinal cord doing?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 03, 2011, 05:32:34 pm
We don't play our 1st regular game season against the Lions till Oct 10 so we're probably not dodging a bullet there, unfortunately.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 03, 2011, 05:41:15 pm
We don't play our 1st regular game season against the Lions till Oct 10 so we're probably not dodging a bullet there, unfortunately.

 At least I'm in the shape to not know what the hell is going on ,on the OFFENSIVE LINE flux.

 I like to hope Tice knows what is going on ...  ;D

 GREEN BAY ... is what you set your sights on.

 Raji and Mathews ... we gotta stop them.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 03, 2011, 05:45:37 pm
That first game against the Lions is on Monday night.

I've got to think it's been a long, long time since a Bears/Lions game was a Monday nighter.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 03, 2011, 06:50:13 pm
•Rookie Randall Cobb is working at all three receiving positions as both a kickoff and punt returner and even as the backup holder. His acceleration and aggressiveness in the open field were eye-opening, at least with the team in shorts and helmets. Although much could change, McCarthy said he is giving Cobb a longer look at punt returner than at kickoffs. He is hoping Green emerges to handle the latter.


•McCarthy has been complimentary of rookie tight ends D.J. Williams and Ryan Taylor. Both are athletic and have good hands. Because of Finley's return schedule and Andrew Quarless' hip flexor, Williams and Taylor both got good work with the first team. You have to wonder whether Williams, especially, will challenge Quarless' roster spot.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 03, 2011, 07:02:14 pm
•Rookie Randall Cobb is working at all three receiving positions as both a kickoff and punt returner and even as the backup holder. His acceleration and aggressiveness in the open field were eye-opening, at least with the team in shorts and helmets. Although much could change, McCarthy said he is giving Cobb a longer look at punt returner than at kickoffs. He is hoping Green emerges to handle the latter.


•McCarthy has been complimentary of rookie tight ends D.J. Williams and Ryan Taylor. Both are athletic and have good hands. Because of Finley's return schedule and Andrew Quarless' hip flexor, Williams and Taylor both got good work with the first team. You have to wonder whether Williams, especially, will challenge Quarless' roster spot.
Packy,

 We are going to take one of two from you.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on August 04, 2011, 11:04:44 pm

One of two games...or rookie TE's?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 05, 2011, 06:24:37 pm
In a Thursday appearance on ESPN's Radio , Green Bay Packers linebacker Clay Matthews said training camp has been "more serious" with "less joking around" than in previous years. He also provided this assessment of the Packers' outlook:

"We've got something special going on here. We've got a group of young individuals who understand what we want. [We have a] quarterback who has his head on straight, a defense that's just been playing lights out and playmakers all over the board. So we have all that talent to do it again. Now it's just about getting back on that horse and taking it back to Indianapolis [site of Super Bowl XLVI] and where we want to be."
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 06, 2011, 05:31:12 pm

 WOO HOO ! POST 300!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 09, 2011, 09:49:55 am
From Bleacher Report.  Replaces weak link Colledge at LG (for now):

32. Derek Sherrod, OT, Green Bay Packers
Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images
The Situation

Sherrod has the pleasure of joining the defending champions and will likely slide inside to a guard spot. Sherrod was projected higher, but slipped past some other linemen in the draft for various reasons.

 Bold Prediction

 Sherrod will be a solid starter and will help the Green Bay offensive line to another good season. Aaron Rodgers will benefit from Sherrod’s stability and sturdy blocking, which will put Green Bay in position to defend its title.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 10, 2011, 09:49:44 am
What will the Pack do with all these WRs?

Thumbs up

With all the depth the Packers have at receiver, there wouldn’t seem to be room for guys like Shaky Smithson and Tori Gurley.

Yet during almost every practice so far in training camp, the undrafted rookie free agents seem to make a case for themselves.


On Tuesday, with veteran receiver Donald Driver getting the night off and last year’s No. 5 wideout Brett Swain sitting out because of a hamstring injury, there were more snaps to go around for the young guys.


Sure enough, Smithson and Gurley stood out again.


Early in practice, Smithson went low to pluck a ball just before it hit the ground on a seam route. Later in the drill, he caught a touchdown pass on a hot read from Graham Harrell.


Gurley caught three passes in the two-minute drill, including a 50-yard bomb from Harrell. Gurley had to extend to catch the ball, and then was able to hang on as he fell to the ground against double coverage from Josh Gordy and M.D. Jennings. Gurley stands out simply for his size (6-foot-4, 216 pounds), but he has good hands and goes and gets the ball at its height rather than waiting for it to come to him. He reportedly didn’t drop a single pass during his last season at South Carolina.


Last year, the Packers kept five receivers: Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Driver and Swain. They’ve added second-round draft pick Randall Cobb to the mix so even if they keep six, there wouldn’t be room for one of the undrafted rookies. Plus, Chastin West, a practice squad wideout last year, looks good, too.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 10, 2011, 05:54:00 pm
Wondering if this isn't a case of the QB making all the WR's look good.  A.R. is best in league in my opinion.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 10, 2011, 06:48:37 pm
Well, you make a good point.  Some of the passes were from back-up QBs but don't know how many.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 10, 2011, 07:22:17 pm
Wondering if this isn't a case of the QB making all the WR's look good.  A.R. is best in league in my opinion.

 Yup. Good target for DAA BEARRSSE to prepare against.  :D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 11, 2011, 06:53:50 pm


Green Bay - The time might come when the Green Bay Packers simply have too many good players in the prime of their careers and won't have the financial wherewithal to keep them.

That time won't be coming any time soon.

Packers President Mark Murphy is well aware that five starters and several key backups are to become unrestricted free agents in March and that general manager Ted Thompson likely will want to re-sign most of them.

But with the Packers well-positioned in terms of salary-cap flexibility and cash reserves, Murphy said Thompson won't be limited monetarily when it comes to shaping his roster in the next few years.

"There's no question in my mind we have the resources that are needed," Murphy said this week. "Our goal is to provide football with the resources they need to be competitive. Obviously, the biggest part of that is player salaries. Ted and Russ (Ball) really manage the cap well."

Since June 2009, the Packers have re-signed 13 players to major contract extensions. In that span of 26 months, they haven't signed a single unrestricted free agent or acquired a starting-caliber player by trade.

"We're trying to stay true to how we operate," said coach Mike McCarthy. "We want to draft them, develop them and we hopefully sign them. I think people are now seeing the plan.

"The first couple years, people weren't very patient with it. Now they've seen the development of these players and these guys getting second contracts. That's really our free agency."

Every now and then, the Packers have had an abundance of players at a position and have felt compelled to make a move.

In 2008, they traded Corey Williams and Brett Favre. In 2010, they let Aaron Kampman get away in free agency.

Last month, they let Cullen Jenkins follow in Kampman's footsteps as a free agent besides releasing a productive linebacker in Nick Barnett.

Jenkins' departure to Philadelphia on July 30 got the attention of everyone in the locker room.

"I was pretty upset just because of the fact he's a good, quality player and I wanted to keep the components of that Super Bowl team," defensive lineman B.J. Raji said. "But when you're a general manager you're not thinking of now. You're thinking of the future. Eventually, that decision will probably be a great one."

Some Super Bowl champions, most notably Baltimore a decade ago, managed their salary cap so poorly that they had to sacrifice solid starters and went through some tough seasons as a result.

Using a disciplined approach to player procurement and spending under cap specialist Andrew Brandt from 1999-2008 and Ball since, the Packers haven't had a true bloodletting and don't foresee one in the immediate future.

Despite all of the re-signings, the Packers rank 13th among the 32 teams in room under the salary cap at $10.757 million below their adjusted cap of $121.935 million. Elsewhere in the NFC North, Chicago is a healthy $19.224 million under, but Detroit ($1.262 million) and Minnesota ($451,354) have little breathing space.

"We've identified the right core players to enter into extensions with, and that's crucial," said Murphy. "There's always a little bit of a risk. Unlike the draft, where there's probably more risk because there's more different ways you can go wrong, with veterans at least you've seen them. The injuries are the hardest thing to predict."

From June 2009 to August 2010, the Packers re-upped Greg Jennings, Brandon Chillar, Chad Clifton, Nick Collins, Ryan Pickett, Mark Tauscher and Donald Driver. Only Chillar proved to be a mistake.

In the last year, Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, Desmond Bishop, A.J. Hawk, Mason Crosby and James Jones have re-signed for lucrative amounts.

"Look around," Jordy Nelson said. "Guys get paid. But one thing the Packers definitely won't do is overpay. I think that's the No. 1 reason why they don't go out and get guys in free agency."

Seven months from now, 10 players on the current 87-man roster will have at least four accrued seasons and be eligible for unrestricted free agency.

"All I can say is Ted's a smart guy," said Raji. "He's going to set a priority list and then go from there. Whatever order that's in, it's up to him."

Of the five starters headed for the market, four are on offense: tight end Jermichael Finley, guard Josh Sitton, center Scott Wells and running back Ryan Grant.

Finley has talked about becoming the elite tight end in the National Football League. So far, injuries have limited him to 33 of a possible 53 games, counting playoffs.

If Finley does put up a spectacular season, he probably will seek to surpass San Francisco's Vernon Davis as the highest-paid tight end. There are seven players bunched between $7.35 million per year (Davis) and $6.25 million per year.

Sitton hasn't been to a Pro Bowl yet, either, but some scouts rate him as an honors candidate and the Packers' top offensive lineman. There are nine guards with contracts averaging at least $6 million, led by New Orleans' Jahri Evans at $8.1 million.

"I think Ted likes his guys," Sitton said. "If you perform and do what you're told and be a team player, then the rest will happen.

"It's a business. The option of free agency is out there after this year. But I would like to play here for a while."

Wells is in the final year of a five-year, $15 million extension he signed in November 2006. The Packers rate Wells and Sitton as their top two blockers. Wells will be 31 in January, but there is no ready-to-go replacement on the roster.

Currently, Wells ranks 16th among centers in average salary per year.

"I definitely think he's one of the best," Raji said. "So is (Sitton)."

Grant remains a magnificently conditioned athlete. However, he also will be 29 in December and plays a position at which teams have become less tolerant of financial risk.

Nelson is off to an excellent start in training camp and remains in a pack with Driver and Jones behind Jennings.

Driver has a $2.2 million roster bonus due in 2012, the final year of his contract. Driver's future will impact Nelson, who is playing like a starter in Green Bay or elsewhere.

"I'm not even thinking about that right now," said Nelson. "I'm here to play football."

The Packers are expected to retain Matt Flynn for protection behind Aaron Rodgers for a fourth season. By foreclosing on a trade now, they figure to lose him in March.

Five players no longer on the roster are eating up $2.793 million of cap space. They're Justin Harrell ($1.193 million), Barnett ($925,000), Chillar ($500,000), Tauscher ($100,000) and Brady Poppinga ($75,000).
 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 11, 2011, 07:28:39 pm
How are the sloppy practices coming?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 12, 2011, 12:07:00 am

 Hey who knew Sidney Rice went to Seattle?

 Didnt know until I watched the game.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 12, 2011, 10:25:03 am
How are the sloppy practices coming?

We'll see Saturday  evening.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearFan on August 13, 2011, 04:58:13 am
Loins had a good opener, but have already lost 3 draft picks to injury....one for the season.  Can you play DT with a fractured foot, even after a few weeks rest.  let's hope not!

"First-round pick Nick Fairley, a defensive tackle, is out at least a few more weeks with a fractured foot, second-round pick Titus Young, a wide receiver, was inactive with a hamstring injury, and fellow second-rounder Mikel Leshoure, a running back, is out for the season with a torn Achilles tendon"
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on August 13, 2011, 03:08:28 pm
I keep telling you guys that the Lions are snake bit.  They get good high draft picks only to have them either become a bust or injured and lost for periods of time.

They are the unluckiest team in the league!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 13, 2011, 10:41:58 pm
I keep telling you guys that the Lions are snake bit.  They get good high draft picks only to have them either become a bust or injured and lost for periods of time.

They are the unluckiest team in the league!

 I dont trust them ... if Matthews stays healthy ... could be problems for the NFC North.  :-\
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 14, 2011, 04:46:53 pm
GB/Clev  game pretty sloppy, as you would guess for the first pre-season game.  Rodgers and Flynn looked good.  The surprise was the play of Cobb.  He had 4 catches for 60 yards.  I don't recall a rookie ever playing that well in his first game of  the GB/WCO.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 19, 2011, 11:28:29 am
Great Coaching rant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNcBFZ26lcI&feature=share
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on August 26, 2011, 10:56:04 am
Packers $130 Million Expansion to Lambeau Field Includes 6,600 New Seats

Jeff Alexander
Aug 25, 2011 6:38 PM CDT


"We feel this is a crucial step for insuring the Packers remain competitive in the future," Packers president Mark Murphy announced Thursday.

The Green Bay Packers have good news for the 81,000 fans on the waiting list for season tickets.

The team unveiled expansion plans Thursday for the south end zone of Lambeau Field with four levels of seating, totaling 6,600 new seats.

When completed, Lambeau Field will be the fourth-largest venue in all of pro football, with a seating capacity of just under 80,000.

With a new, $12 million audio and video system already in the works, the Packers announced plans for another $130 million in improvements for the storied stadium.

"This is an icon. I mean, this stadium is the best stadium in the NFL and we want to make sure when you renovate, when you expand, we want to make sure we do it right," Murphy said.

There are two main areas of focus in the plans. First, the team is building up the south end zone putting in 6,600 new seats and a new gate outside.

The Packers are also adding a new gate outside the north end zone, along with a rooftop viewing terrace for club seat holders on game days and for special events on other days.

"We'll have additional elevators, escalators. We hear complaints from fans about it's difficult to get into the stadium sometimes. We think this will alleviate some of the congestion," Murphy said.

Murphy calls it a project that will benefit fans, the team and the community. The Packers estimate the two-year project will employ 1,600 workers and when completed will generate an additional $11 million a year for the local economy.

"We're also excited from a football standpoint," he said. "We think this will create a tremendous home field advantage. All of these seats will be outside, and we're building it, the design in a way to maximize crowd noise."

The Packers say season ticket holders will get the first option to exchange their current seats for the new ones.

After that, fans on the waiting list will be offered a chance to purchase any seats remaining in the new section or those vacated in the stadium bowl.

It's the first major work at Lambeau since the renovation a decade ago, but this time the Packers say there won't be any tax dollars involved. They plan to fund the project themselves through traditional borrowing, a user fee for the new seats, and a potential stock sale.

"That's what put us in a financial position over the last nine years and today. That allows us to borrow, to tap into our own funds, and to invest in the stadium, and we're very proud to be able to do that and humbled that we can only do that because the taxpayers in the community stepped up and gave us a hand when we needed it," Murphy said.

Groundbreaking for the project is set for September 1st, with the majority of work to begin after this season. It's expected to be complete by the 2013 season.

These suckers are expanding their stadium capacity but our team has the NFL's smallest stadium.  Disgraceful.....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 03, 2011, 04:04:00 am

 Fuuuck everything ... whos going to take the NFC North?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 03, 2011, 06:58:19 am
These suckers are expanding their stadium capacity but our team has the NFL's smallest stadium.  Disgraceful.....

So how can you expand Soldier Field? You cant. The current stadium is centrally located. Dont know where a new stadium could be built that would satisfy everybody. Too much politics involved. Then there is the issue of who is going to pay for a new stadium. We know the Bears wont. The taxpayers in Chicago sure shouldnt have to as they are already overtaxed to line the machines pocket. Its just a political mess. And nobody wants to drive out to the burbs to watch a game. I dont have a solution. Maybe Obummanuel does. Tax tax tax and more taxes
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 05, 2011, 12:54:17 am
These suckers are expanding their stadium capacity but our team has the NFL's smallest stadium.  Disgraceful.....

So how can you expand Soldier Field? You cant. The current stadium is centrally located. Dont know where a new stadium could be built that would satisfy everybody. Too much politics involved. Then there is the issue of who is going to pay for a new stadium. We know the Bears wont. The taxpayers in Chicago sure shouldnt have to as they are already overtaxed to line the machines pocket. Its just a political mess. And nobody wants to drive out to the burbs to watch a game. I dont have a solution. Maybe Obummanuel does. Tax tax tax and more taxes

 Ever see how an RV works that folds out from the sides?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 05, 2011, 06:44:19 am
Not a workable solution Jackie
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 06, 2011, 06:41:04 pm
Not a workable solution Jackie

 It works for the Cowboys.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 06, 2011, 08:07:35 pm
Soldier Field has landmark status Jackie. Thats why its built up like a space ship.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 07, 2011, 06:12:01 pm
Soldier Field has landmark status Jackie. Thats why its built up like a space ship.

 I thought it was built up like a money maker.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 07, 2011, 06:16:58 pm
They could of made it bigger and better but they were not allowed to.   It is a money maker but could of been a bigger money maker.  Stupid politicians getting in the way of progress yet again. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 07, 2011, 06:20:00 pm
They could of made it bigger and better but they were not allowed to.   It is a money maker but could of been a bigger money maker.  Stupid politicians getting in the way of progress yet again.

 I didnt see the McCaskeys crying or moving.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 07, 2011, 06:25:45 pm
They had been trying for a new stadium for years.  They felt this was the best deal they were going to get.  It apparently worked because they suddenly went from cheap to big spenders on their football team after the stadium was re-done.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 07, 2011, 06:30:55 pm
They had been trying for a new stadium for years.  They felt this was the best deal they were going to get.  It apparently worked because they suddenly went from cheap to big spenders on their football team after the stadium was re-done.

 Such big spenders that the turf cant be resodded.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 07, 2011, 06:35:29 pm
Again talk to the Chicago politicians.  It is the park districts responsibility.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 07, 2011, 07:13:04 pm
Yup. The Bears are taking a bigger role now to insure player safety by inspecting the field and calling for a re-sod but the ultimate responsibility lies with the Park District and the managing company they hired to operate the field. So now Bear management will now inspect the field weekly.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on September 08, 2011, 11:00:44 pm
The Division is ours fellas...try to finish third.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 08, 2011, 11:29:51 pm
The Division is ours fellas...try to finish third.

 The Saints exposed you.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on September 08, 2011, 11:34:38 pm
Yea, the Saints exposed us.....for being a very good team.

Just what do you think they are going to expose the bears for in week 2?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 08, 2011, 11:39:00 pm
Yea, the Saints exposed us.....for being a very good team.

Just what do you think they are going to expose the bears for in week 2?

 Victory.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BillSharp on September 09, 2011, 05:57:01 am
Man, I don't think the Bears can beat the Pack or the Saints.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on September 09, 2011, 06:00:05 am
At what?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 09, 2011, 07:31:36 am
Packs win was impressive on O and terrible on D. When you score 42 points and need the last play of the game to decide the game, that's not a good deal.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on September 09, 2011, 07:54:34 am
Very true - poor tackling on both sides
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: stelz on September 09, 2011, 08:02:02 am
Not sure if it was Kreutz, but did you guys check the NO center getting stood up and knocked back 5 yards on the last play (when the Saints tried to run up the middle from the one yard line...)

:  )
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 09, 2011, 08:12:40 am
The Packers looked wicked good last night. Best offense in the league, no question.

The Saints offense is much better than ours so I wouldn't read too much into Green Bay's defensive showing. The Saints are gonna hang a lot of points on a lot of people.  We see that GB's D can be exploited by a great air attack...  but whether the Bears have even a competent passing game is highly debatable.  Not to mention, by the time we face the Pack you can be sure Dom Capers will have a lot of the kinks ironed out of their D.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on September 09, 2011, 08:30:27 am
Not sure if it was Kreutz, but did you guys check the NO center getting stood up and knocked back 5 yards on the last play (when the Saints tried to run up the middle from the one yard line...)

:  )

Noticed the Kreutz matador play a few times as well. He really is at the end of his run and I'm glad we got rid of him when we did.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 09, 2011, 08:32:34 am
Man, I don't think the Bears can beat the Pack or the Saints.

I agree Bill. I dont believe our defense can stop Rodgers, Ryan or Brees.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 09, 2011, 08:39:26 am
Noticed the Kreutz matador play a few times as well. He really is at the end of his run and I'm glad we got rid of him when we did.

Whoever called that play for the Saints needs to be taken to task.  Did they not watch any footage of Kreutz from the last several seasons?  Kreutz is not going to win a 1-on-1 power match with a 330-lb NT.  It just won't happen. Off-tackle or between the T and their All Pro OG Evans would have been the much better call.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on September 09, 2011, 08:46:24 am
I  thought that blow me down play looked familiar. Football just flies through the air in the dairy state in Sept doesn't it? Nice neat and tidy spirals and all.  Wonder if that will hold true in Dec./Jan. with a 30 mph wind coming off the bay, bringing the smells from the paper mill with it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 09, 2011, 09:19:43 am
I don't think the Saints could have called a worse play at the end of the game.  Their offense is not predicated on power football, to try and run it in against Raji and Pickett was asinine.  Although, watching that play on replay it would have made sense to run a naked boot - wide open, or have the TE Graham waggle out of his end block and run to the left sideline.  Both of those options would have worked.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 09, 2011, 09:29:43 am
Olin wiffed on quite a few blocks last night.... his skills have definitely diminished......
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on September 09, 2011, 09:48:11 am
Quote from Ray on Cubs BBFL:

Green Bay sold out against the run that play...all the defense linemen pretty much crashed into the linemens thighs/legs almost trying to cut them and had linebackers go over the top.  Saints call a pass there and they score.

Yeah that was Kreutz, but not really his fault.  He had two defensive linemen crash onto him and push him back.  The Left guard didn't block his man and his guy helped the guy lined up over Kruetz push him back.

Here's the pic of last play.  You can see Kruetz...looks like the left guard is telling him sorry bout that.  lol

http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206708

You can see half the offensive linemen laying on the ground.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 09:23:48 am
Big win by the Lions yesterday.  Calvin Johnson is unreal.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on September 12, 2011, 09:25:19 am
If Stafford can stay healthy they are going to be really tough
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on September 13, 2011, 10:45:09 am
GB gets Cam Newton and the surging Panthers
Minny gets Tampa Bay
Detroit vs the Chiefs

All 1 PM games
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 13, 2011, 10:55:17 am
GB gets Cam Newton and the surging Panthers
Minny gets Tampa Bay
Detroit vs the Chiefs

GB / Carolina - The Panthers aren't that good.  GB with the easy win and Cam Newton will spend a lot of time on the ground.

Minny / Tampa - Minnesota should have beat the Chargers. I think they learn from their mistakes and send the Bucs to 0-2.

Detroit / Chiefs - Huge Week 1 confidence win for the Lions; Chiefs are in a shambles and Haley's incompetence as a HC has been exposed. Lions win going away.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 13, 2011, 10:58:40 am
The Packers should win.  However they seem to have a problem with athletic QB's.  I seem to remember Vick making them look silly last year.  Packers will probably win but I will be cheering for the Panthers.

Lions for sure beat the Chiefs.  The Chiefs are terrible.

Bucs/Vikings could go either way.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 13, 2011, 11:02:33 am
Calvin Johnson against an awful Chiefs secondary minus Eric Berry?

That's not even fair.

The Chiefs had no business being in the playoffs last year so it's good to see them being exposed now. Right now I have them the odds-on favorite in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes and boy could they use him.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on September 13, 2011, 03:46:10 pm
Take the Pack (-10.5) on the road.

Take the Lions against KC at Home.

Take TB at Minny.

Take Saints at home over the bear.

BTW peke Vick had a 79.9 QB rating in a 16-21 home playoff loss to the Pack.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 13, 2011, 03:50:51 pm
The first time when he came in from the bench he destroyed your defense and you very well know it.  Just like you know what I am saying on the other thread is true.  You like to claim ignorance a lot acting as if this somehow proves your point.  It doesn't.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on September 13, 2011, 04:08:15 pm
Yeah, the first game for him he had a 101.9 QB rating in another home loss to Green Bay 20-27.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 13, 2011, 04:33:58 pm

 Week one 16 winners and 16 losers.

 All the 16 winners have to do is repeat that.

 What are the odds?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 13, 2011, 04:35:46 pm
The Eagles were losing when he came in and he almost brought them back.  I remember it quite well.  Packer fans were panicking.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 14, 2011, 07:56:50 pm
Cobb's barrel roll:

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bbd6N
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 15, 2011, 09:56:31 pm

 I'd flat out **** little green apples if Roy Williams went to the Pro Bowl.  :D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 16, 2011, 02:20:01 am
If you chewed them first they would not be little green apples when they came out.  Just saying.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 16, 2011, 02:37:18 am
If you chewed them first they would not be little green apples when they came out.  Just saying.

 I swallow them whole ... they come out chewed.

 JJ has a strong bowel system ... would you like to go for a ride?

 Exploring Jackies inner workings is usually a $15000.00 ticket price ...

 but for you because you are a freind ... its free.

 Check out my kidneys on the way down ... and that growth in the small intestine ...

 it was put there by forces unknown years ago.

 And NO ... it is NOT radioactive. Get over the paranoia dude.

 Glad to see you visit Jackie ! Pay at the exit door ... in your case its free.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 16, 2011, 02:47:25 am
No thanks.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 16, 2011, 03:07:12 am
No thanks.

 You dont want the free coupon for a $10.00 bucket of KFC chicken? 14 pieces ... mostly breasts.

 Wiping is optionable to collect.

 I'm getting the feeling that traveling thru JackieLand™ is not up to your family code.

 Please fill out the form at the end of the ride and tell us how to serve you better.

 Remember : We are here to expel you in a satisfactory manner at the end of your ride.

 Wiping is optionable to collect. Thank You. Your freinds at JackieJokeLand™.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 09:09:02 am
Two games into the season and we're already looking up at the Lions.

 :-[
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on September 19, 2011, 09:10:17 am
Stafford stays healthy, that view could be the norm.  Its hard to get upset about the Lions. Been the dormat forever.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 09:16:25 am
Yup, the Lions finally have some playmakers.  And it's guys they drafted, not bought-out from other teams.

The Bears should try that sometime.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on September 19, 2011, 09:20:47 am
Try drafting in the top 10 every year?

No thanks
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 19, 2011, 12:12:00 pm
Even if Angeblow had a bunch of 1sts and 2nds he still would draft rubbish players
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 01:29:19 pm
Even if Angeblow had a bunch of 1sts and 2nds he still would draft rubbish players

I'm afraid that is correct.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on September 19, 2011, 06:41:22 pm
Two games into the season and we're already looking up at the Lions.

 :-[

Lions were lucky to play the Bucs & Chiefs.  Let's see how they perform against some competition before crowning them.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 20, 2011, 12:03:05 am
Lions were lucky to play the Bucs & Chiefs.  Let's see how they perform against some competition before crowning them.

 @Minny
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: guest118 on September 23, 2011, 07:58:17 am
Dan Buizin anyone? - can't even spell his name.  That DE he drafted with the bum knee - everyone except Angelo knee he had a bum knee.

Major Wright is looking like a major wrong.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on September 23, 2011, 08:13:35 am
In honor of j. cut being sacked 98 times in 33 bears games...I offer this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ&feature=player_detailpage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ&feature=player_detailpage)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 24, 2011, 06:17:54 am
Denny Green classic!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 25, 2011, 02:09:27 am

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N1OjGhIFc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N1OjGhIFc)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on September 26, 2011, 12:42:38 pm
Early take on next Sunday...

Take the Pack (-13) at Lambeau verse Denver

Take the points (+6) and Carolina at Soldierfield verse bears

Gotta wait on Dallas at home verse the lions.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on September 26, 2011, 01:25:30 pm
verse?

Really?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on October 12, 2011, 05:39:02 pm
From phill34...May 22, 2011

Quote
I see the Bears winning this division this season.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on October 12, 2011, 05:43:40 pm
peke...June 2011.

Quote
Hell the Packers are so damn good they aren't even practicing together.  The Bears offense is getting together three times a week.  But with a young team coming off a Super Bowl win I am sure it won't be problem.  Packers are going undefeated and winning the SB again.  Just ask them or their fans.  Dumb asses!

Hasn't been a problem so far.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on October 12, 2011, 05:46:24 pm
More from peke...June 2011

Quote
I suspect the Bears are going to own the Packers this year.  The Packers think they are all set and aren;t even bothering to work out with one another.  The Bears offense is working together three times a week with Cutler setting it up.  The Bears coaches are going over film and coaching each other up and bringing in other coaches.  What are the PAckers coaches doing other then enjoying their vacation?

One team is working hard to get where they want to be.  The other is sitting on their ass enjoying where they are.  I wonder which team will be better? 

The answer...The Green Bay Packers.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 21, 2011, 10:56:32 am
Welcome back

For the first time in more than a month, two of the Packers best defensive players practiced with pads on. Both Matthews (quad) and Charles Woodson (foot / knee) were back on the field Thursday - the day coach Mike McCarthy has designated as the team's once-per-week padded practice.

It marks the first time since Sept. 15, the week before the Carolina game that either player has practiced on a Thursday.

Woodson hasn't practiced on a Wednesday or Thursday since before the Panthers game and has been strictly limited on Fridays. Over the same period Matthews has only taken part in two Friday practices as a limited participant.

McCarthy said both players did team drills and were a couple of snaps away from being full participants...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 21, 2011, 10:58:46 am
Another rookie undrafted FA to play on Sunday.

Green Bay - A blizzard of big plays turned Vic So'oto into a fan favorite literally overnight. The undrafted outside linebacker from Brigham Young University wreaked havoc in the Green Bay Packers' preseason finale. An interception returned for a touchdown. One and a half sacks. A forced fumble.

Right here was the Packers' answer to a viable pass rush opposite Clay Matthews.

But So'oto has played one down on defense since.

A back injury and inability to crack special teams units has held So'oto back through six games.

On Sunday in Minnesota, he may finally get his shot. Outside linebackers Frank Zombo (knee) and Jamari Lattimore (shoulder) are both expected to miss the NFC North tilt, which would vault So'oto to the active roster. This week, he has worked on the No. 1 kickoff and punt return teams.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 24, 2011, 08:05:48 am
too bad Minny couldn't eek one out against the Packers.
Det might be on the verge of a stumble, especially if Stafford is out for any extended time.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 24, 2011, 08:28:17 am
Christian Ponder looks like the real deal.

Lot of Viking fans up here wondering why he wasn't the guy from the get-go this year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on October 24, 2011, 11:16:26 am
He was solid at Florida State - when healthy...

Wonder if McNabb is ready to retire
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 24, 2011, 11:22:48 am
If there was anyone still doubting that McNabb has lost it, this run with the Vikings has pretty much sealed it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on October 24, 2011, 01:09:35 pm
I'd wait a little longer before pronoucing Ponder the real deal yet. He only completed 13/32 passes for 200 yards and was gifted the first 72 yards.

I would consider bearbelly's vaulted Division Title race over.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 24, 2011, 03:05:26 pm
Ponder played very well, despite the interceptons.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 24, 2011, 03:07:55 pm
Ponder has had the misfortune of having his first two NFL games be against a Bears team that played arguably its best game of the season so far, and the NFL's best team hands down (the Packers).   

The Vikings, on both sides of the ball, have clearly responded to Ponder's enthusiasm and leadership and are stepping up their game. I look for him to have a noticeably better outing against a beatable Panthers team next Sunday, and for the Vikings to take the W...  assuming of course that the Vikings D can get it done against Cam Newton. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 25, 2011, 12:42:45 pm
Vikings give up on Berrian...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/25/vikings-get-rid-of-bernard-berrian/
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 25, 2011, 02:22:15 pm
I wonder what happened to Berrian, the arrow was pointing up when he left here and I think his first year in Mn.
Angelo called that one Briggs >> Berrian.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 25, 2011, 02:25:17 pm
Berrian torched us for that 99-yarder in the dome, but after that game he was pretty much not seen from again.

Low production + questionable clubhouse presence + high salary...  all in a rebuilding year with the HC feeling the heat = midseason cut.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on October 25, 2011, 05:46:21 pm
99 yards of torch?

Robert Brooks.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 25, 2011, 06:32:39 pm
Kind of  like Freeman for GB.  One year playing great, the next year done for.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 27, 2011, 05:14:27 am

 Always overlooked ... always forgotten ... the secret ANCHOR ... Patrick Mannelly.  ;D

 Enters his 14th NFL season all with the Bears and holds the franchise record for career games played in Chicago (205)...

 Stands as the second-longest tenured player among active NFL long snappers with their current club...

 His 137 straight regular season games played leads all current Bears...

 Stands alongside Olin Kreutz as Chicago's longest tenured players with 13 NFL seasons under their belts...

 Has handled the snapping duties in all but three games during his NFL career...

 Contributed to Bears setting an NFL record for most consecutive unblocked punts (920) and games without a blocked punt (180) that covered 13 years and was snapped in 2003...

 Snapped every punt and kick (PAT and FG) attempt for Chicago from 1998-2000 and 2003-10...

 Has played in all 16 games 11 times in his career while pulling the trigger on 1,900-of-1,920 long-snap attempts during that time...

 One of the league's top coverage long snappers, notching 77 career special teams tackles, fourth-most by a Bear since 1995 (Brendon Ayanbadejo, 79; Corey Graham, 82; Adrian Peterson, 110).

 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 27, 2011, 09:43:09 am
I still think our long snapper needs to have another job.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 27, 2011, 10:01:07 am
Sure it would be nice if our long snapper could give us solid sub play on the OL as well...  but I know of very few teams where that's the case.

Our offense is so dependent on FGs that I'll take a rock steady long snapper like Mannelly even if he doesn't contribute anywhere else.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 27, 2011, 11:43:37 pm
Sure it would be nice if our long snapper could give us solid sub play on the OL as well...  but I know of very few teams where that's the case.

Our offense is so dependent on FGs that I'll take a rock steady long snapper like Mannelly even if he doesn't contribute anywhere else.

 One of the league's top coverage long snappers, notching 77 career special teams tackles, fourth-most by a Bear since 1995 (Brendon Ayanbadejo, 79; Corey Graham, 82; Adrian Peterson, 110).

 Like I say ... always overlooked ... always forgotten.  :o


 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 07, 2011, 03:38:25 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/07/chris-cook-remains-on-vikings-roster-but-wont-practice-or-play/

So...  this guy is facing a felony conviction, but the Vikings are continuing to pay him even though he's not practicing or playing.

I would be very interested to know their rationale for this as it seems like Cook comes out on the sweet end of the deal.

Seems to me, with the whole stadium issue pending and all, that the Vikings would have been much better served from a PR perspective to drop the hammer on this scumbag...  suspension without pay for the maximum number of games allowed.  But what do I know?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 04:01:17 pm
Team is in the tank, owner doesn't live in Minny, stadium is more and more looking like a current day Roman Coliseum, no money for a new one, do I hear semis warming up to move the mighty vikings elsewhere?  Its happened before.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2011, 08:18:23 am
The Minnydump isn't really that bad. Been there a couple times for games. It's nice inside the stadium part,the concourse needs help. But it doesn't hold a candle to Indys dome. THAT place is totally sweet....will be a great place for the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2011, 08:21:04 am
Guys,wake me when I'm done dreaming here.....

What if....the Bears get on a real roll, take GB or get a wildcard spot..... yes....and go all the way. ALL...the way. Win it all. IN Indy....the same team they lost to in 06'......wouldn't that just be the monkeys uncle!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 08, 2011, 08:22:57 am
Sporty, I didn't think you drank?  Whatever it is, keep drinking!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on November 08, 2011, 08:26:00 am
Looks like spoarty has been at ric parry's MNF party.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2011, 08:27:28 am
Hey, I like the idea....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 10, 2011, 06:39:24 pm

 This season isnt over by a longshot.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2011, 07:21:50 pm

PACKERS

38 Completions of 20 or more yards the defense has allowed, tied for third most in the NFL.

14-1 The team's record in the 15 games running back James Starks has played in his career.

5,238 Yards passing quarterback Aaron Rodgers is on pace for this season, which would break Dan Marino's all-time mark of 5,084.

16 Both the amount of passing touchdowns the defense has allowed and the interceptions it has made.

1,172 Passing yards the offense has gained on first and 10 this season, the second most of any team in the NFL.
 
NFC NORTH

32 Rushes for loss the Chicago Bears have had this season, most of any team in the division.

168 Consecutive games Detroit's Jeff Backus has started, most of any active tackle in the NFL.

7 Sacks the Bears have allowed over the past five games, half the amount they allowed in their first three games.

1 Field-goal attempts Minnesota Vikings kicker Ryan Longwell has missed in 13 career attempts against his old team, the Green Bay Packers.

12 Career sacks Vikings end Jared Allen has against the Packers, the most against any team he has faced.

Tom Silverstein
 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2011, 08:08:19 pm
After winning 14 straight games the pack is bound to lose before long.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2011, 08:09:50 pm
It has been claimed that the most important parts of a game are the last two minutes of the first half and the last two minutes of the game.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 10, 2011, 09:43:54 pm
It has been claimed that the most important parts of a game are the last two minutes of the first half and the last two minutes of the game.

 It would seem that way when watching games.

 However ...  the game goes on for 60 minutes ...

 heres whats really going on :

 What are you doing on third down?

 What are you coming away with inside the twenty?

 Whos turning the ball over more?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 11, 2011, 07:44:08 am
The Minnydump isn't really that bad. Been there a couple times for games. It's nice inside the stadium part,the concourse needs help.

Actually the Metrodome is pretty bad.  The sightlines are OK but the scoreboard and video screens are a joke. I bet some of the Vikings players have bigger TVs in their homes.  The exterior looks pretty shabby and it's in an area that borders on a pretty bad part of town.

Also the food is awful and way overpriced.

One nice thing about the Metrodome is you can park your car out in a suburban area and take the light rail right to the front door.  But what royally sucks is after the game, you're standing there waiting and waiting, outside, for an open train car. My brother and I waited nearly an hour one night after a Vikings game in sub-30 degree weather with a breeze before we could get on a train out of downtown. Not fun at all.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 11, 2011, 11:38:22 am

Comment From Mark
What is the the longest winning steak the packers have had during a season? Is 8 - 0 the longest?










12:34
 






Mike Vandermause:
To start a season the Packers went 10-0 in 1962 before losing to the Lions on Thanksgiving Day. Coincidentally -- not ironically -- if the Packers beat the Vikings and Bucs they would be 10-0 going into their Thanksgiving Day game against the Lions.

Lombardi's Packers were drubbed by the Lions that game.  I keep thinking of Karras batting Starr around all game.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 11, 2011, 11:51:02 am
That Lions / Packers Turkey Day game this year should be a real treat.  It will be the Packers' 3rd game in less than 10 days so I think it could actually be close.

I might actually need to schedule dinner around that game for a change.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on November 11, 2011, 12:03:57 pm
That's going to be a tough one to decide who to pull for. Depends on the standings at that point. If the Packers are still running away with the division it would be good to have them help us in the WC race by beating the lions...but then again, pulling for the Pack would be painful.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on November 11, 2011, 12:24:44 pm

Yeah, I always have a problem rooting for the Packers.  I guess I'll just be hoping for serious injuries on both teams.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 11, 2011, 12:27:35 pm
Suh rings Rogers' bell big-time... and on the next play gets cut-blocked into next season.

Yeah that sounds about right   heh-heh

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on November 11, 2011, 01:45:28 pm
I'll never root for GB.  Ever.  I like yapper's idea. Sue me.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on November 11, 2011, 02:20:41 pm

Reminds me of my favorite Butkus quote:  "I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important - like a league game or something".


Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 11, 2011, 02:22:57 pm
In all honesty, I think injury is about the only think that can keep Aaron Rodgers from having a season for the ages this year.

I've seen a lot of NFL QBs have pretty good seasons in my years of watching football...  but what he's doing so far this year is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 11, 2011, 03:51:27 pm
Betcha that Favre is really pissed.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 12, 2011, 08:24:59 pm
Wasn't GB suppose to stink because they did not do any offseason practices together.  That kind of stuff is completely overrated.  Comes down to talent and coaching.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 13, 2011, 12:32:43 am

 The NFL always changes from week to week ... now we just KNEW Indy was going to 12-4 again.  ;D

 However there seemed to be a minor hiccup in Indys gameplan.

 And thats all it takes.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 14, 2011, 01:23:01 pm
Wasn't GB suppose to stink because they did not do any offseason practices together.  That kind of stuff is completely overrated.  Comes down to talent and coaching.

Sometimes I think that there is too much off-season coaching in the NFL.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on November 14, 2011, 01:38:53 pm
I think what helped GB is a lot of their guys have been in the same system for a few years now.
Also a QB like Rogers can cover for a lot of gaps.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 14, 2011, 06:43:19 pm
True, true.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 14, 2011, 06:43:30 pm
hicago - The Detroit Lions came into this week as the team many people perceived as the greatest threat to the Green Bay Packers' dominance in the NFC North.

Perception got a dose of reality Sunday at Soldier Field, and the only thing the Lions are threatening to do now is fizzle out of the division race and possibly the playoffs.

The team that came out of its bye week 6-2 and only two games behind the undefeated Packers embarrassed itself in front of 62,396 fans, turning the ball over six times and engaging in some chippy play that got them nowhere with the rough-and-tough Chicago Bears.

The resulting 37-13 loss dropped the Lions into a second-place tie with the Bears (6-3) and shook their confidence to the core. If the Packers (8-0) win their next two games, as they're favored to do, the best the Lions will be able to do on Thanksgiving Day is draw within two games of the pacesetters.

"Anything is possible," Lions defensive end Cliff Avril said. "I highly doubt they're going to play a perfect season. We still have a lot of games ahead of us. We just have to win them out."

That means winning on Thanksgiving Day in front of a hyped-up Ford Field crowd hungry for more than a turkey leg. Over the next 11 days, the Lions will host the Carolina Panthers on Sunday and spend two days preparing for the Packers.

A big game?

"It was going to be a big game regardless," Avril said. "It's a divisional opponent. We still have to go out there and play and try to get a win against them boys. Hopefully, give them their first loss."

The Lions have a serious problem that needs to right itself in a hurry if they are going to have a shot against the Packers. Quarterback Matthew Stafford revealed after the game that the index finger he banged against Denver a week before the bye was fractured.

If Sunday is any indication, Stafford can still uncork hard spirals. It's just that a number of them were way off target. Coach Jim Schwartz and Stafford both blamed the misfires on the 22 mph winds whipping around the stadium.

Stafford, who wore gloves on both hands, will have a chance to prove it was the wind Sunday when the Lions host the Panthers at Ford Field. He wasn't helped much by receivers who dropped at least four passes, including two in the end zone.

The result was the thing that was gnawing at him the most.

Had the Lions won, it would have been a two-team race in the North, but the victory was Chicago's fourth in a row, tying them for the third longest active streak behind the Packers and San Francisco 49ers.

"It's tough, anytime you lose a division game," Stafford said. "Especially a team that's right there behind you and you had a chance to put them in the rearview and didn't do it."

That reality circulated with the strong winds throughout every nook and cranny of Soldier Field and spoke with some certainty that the Bears, not the Lions, will be the ones to harass the Packers if there is to be a challenge.

The Bears' offensive line handled Detroit's fearsome front, their special teams played lights-out and their defense attacked with the ball-stripping tenacity that has been their trademark under coach Lovie Smith.

This was more like the team the Packers faced in the NFC Championship Game last year than the one it beat here, 27-17, on Sept. 25.

"It was a division win," Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher said. "We played the way we wanted to play. They were in our way today. We took care of business, got back on a roll in the division."

If there is a team that should scare the Packers it is the Bears, who held quarterback Aaron Rodgers to his lowest quarterback rating of the season (111.4) and are the only team to limit him to a long completion of shorter than 30 yards.

The Packers might not be in immediate danger of being overtaken by the Bears, but there's always a chance the two could meet in the playoffs at Lambeau Field, assuming the Packers win the division.

The Bears, whose next four games are against AFC West opponents, play the Packers in Green Bay on Dec. 25 in a game that could affect their playoff chances, a reversal of the game at Lambeau Field in Week 17 last year when the Bears had a chance to keep the Packers out of the playoffs.

"We had a lot riding on this game, you know an NFC division game at home," Smith said. "We just couldn't afford another loss. Our guys have gotten better and better each week. We've seen progress being made in all areas."

It's possible the Packers' focus at that time could be staying ahead of the 49ers, who improved to 8-1 and play five of their last seven games against the lowly inhabitants of the NFC West. The Packers don't need to be perfect this season, but they want to be if it means winning home-field advantage.

As for division matters, it is clear is the Lions have some soul-searching to do. There's a nation of doubters who figure this is just another collapse in a long line of duds the Lions have offered up on their way to 10 straight losing seasons.

"I think this team thrives on the underdog role and a lot of people will discount the talent on this team and not really appreciate that we're 6-3," said end Kyle Vanden Bosch. "We're going forward and we'll feed off of that."

The Packers game looms and a victory over the Panthers could do a lot to get the Lions back on track, but at this point they can't afford to look too far ahead. If there's a team that knows how to prepare for the short week heading into Thanksgiving, it's the Lions, who play on the holiday every year.

The first order of business is cleaning up Sunday's mess.

"We have to own up to this game," Schwartz said. "This didn't not happen. We put it out there, and we need to make sure it doesn't happen again.

"We are 6-3 and we don't want to forget about that. We still have seven games left; we have a long way to go. How we bounce back from this game in the long run will be more important than what happened today."

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on November 24, 2011, 01:43:38 pm
Lions are done.  They won't be winning to many more games.

Suh stomped on a Packers arm and was ejected.  The Lions had just held the Packers to a field goal in the red zone and it gave the Packers a first down.

What does the Lions coach do?  He yells at the refs and then slaps Suh on the ass.

I am thinking Suh may be gone longer then just this game after that one.  Plus if the Packers score again I think we will see the same BS we saw int he bears game.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on November 24, 2011, 02:03:06 pm
I'm sure as he!! not pulling for GB, but I'm not displeased at the way this game is going.

At this point, I'm rooting for a brawl with multiple ejections and injuries.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on November 24, 2011, 02:07:16 pm
I am rooting for multiple really hard hits on Rodgers!!!  Same for Stafford.

There have already been a ton of injuries for both teams.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on November 24, 2011, 04:50:04 pm
peke

I thought the Packers couldn't handle those mean old lions from Detroit....

Ballgame in the Central division.

Somebody alert beerbelly.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 25, 2011, 12:51:10 am
Same ol Loins...different season....they're in a death spiral big time....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 02, 2011, 02:23:19 pm
Adrian Peterson out for Sunday's game and possibly Harvin too.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/02/adrian-peterson-ruled-out-again-this-week/

AP is one of my favorite players in the league but, seriously, the Vikings need to just shut him down for the year. They're already in preseason 2012 mode so why not put him on IR, see how Gerhardt handles the extra reps and use AP's roster spot to bring up some kid from the practice squad that might be able to help them next year.

At this point their long-term prospects are helped much more by losing games (Blackmon or Kalil) than winning them anyway.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on December 02, 2011, 03:28:25 pm
Appeal turned down.  Set a while big boy. Read a book.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 02, 2011, 03:38:32 pm
Glad it will be enforced as ruled, but really won't impact either game's outcome as far as I can see.

Lions are most likely losing to Saints Sunday night and almost certainly beating the Vikings next week regardless.

That being said, if the Vikings can somehow upset the Lions in two weeks that would just about make my season.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on December 02, 2011, 06:02:23 pm
PONDER!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 02, 2011, 11:18:24 pm
PONDER!

 HANIE !
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 04, 2011, 11:48:00 am
So then Suh responds to his suspension by going home to Oregon and crashing a car into a tree.

Nice.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on December 04, 2011, 03:17:10 pm
HANIE !

Ponder
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on December 06, 2011, 12:38:05 pm
As with the recent 11 supercar pileup in Japan, owning a fast cool car doesn't mean you have the skill sets to DRIVE one. What a butthole.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Lions-Ndamukong-Suh-crashes-car-in-Portland-not-injured-120611
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on December 06, 2011, 12:39:54 pm
It is unfortunate that God allowed the rain to fall and not prevent this unfortunate incident from happening... Surely Suh onl
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on December 06, 2011, 12:40:50 pm
only wanted to remove himself from that situation as soon as possible
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on December 06, 2011, 12:41:37 pm
only wanted to remove himself from that situation as soon as possible
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 06, 2011, 03:37:33 pm
Quote
Suh told police he was trying to avoid a stopped taxicab when he lost control of the 1970 Chevrolet Coupe.
Just like he was just trying to 'get up' when nailed with the stomping penalty.... nevermind the video evidence to the contrary. This guy is a walking douche....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 06, 2011, 06:27:10 pm
Ditto dat.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on December 09, 2011, 01:42:04 pm
Somebody awake beerbelly from his hangover and get that glorified Division Trophy up to Green Bay.

Also, somebody tell the overweight bloke pissing Old Style that The Green Bay Packers have won 18 straight games which includes another Super Bowl Championship.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 22, 2011, 10:46:26 am
http://www.frontiernet.net/~packers12/mil.jpg (http://www.frontiernet.net/~packers12/mil.jpg)
 


At Lambeau Field 11/11.  Not shown on TV.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 23, 2011, 10:13:33 pm
That is very cool
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 24, 2011, 02:45:05 am
http://www.frontiernet.net/~packers12/mil.jpg (http://www.frontiernet.net/~packers12/mil.jpg)
 


At Lambeau Field 11/11.  Not shown on TV.

 
That is very cool

 Lets hope we never have to thank them again unless THIS nation is being invaded.

 Sombody told me the BEARS play the Packers this week. Tell me it aint so.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 26, 2011, 07:09:58 am
Adrian Peterson is out with a torn ACL.  Considering that it was just torn last week, he will likely be out until midway through the 2012 season.  Who wants to be the Bears won't play the Vikes until after the bye?   :'( 

Wahhh!!

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 26, 2011, 09:41:41 am
The Vikings are fools. They should have IR'd AP after the injury he got before this one. Their season was long over by then already.

The Vikings brought this on themselves.  It's a tragedy for AP cause he's a great player and a class act stuck on a team that's not only really bad, but incredibly stupid.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 26, 2011, 09:47:38 am
He already has his big new contract, though.  Msybe the Vikings are even more stupid that at first glance.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 29, 2011, 05:35:32 pm
One thing....just one...that I'm happy about seeing with our team is that we didn't rush Cut and Forte back here at the end-if either could go. Leave the sick guys on the bench,it proves not a thing to play them. Let em heal up for next years run. Or else you risk exactly what happened to AP, and yea it's a darned shame.....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 02, 2012, 12:27:11 pm
(http://cmsimg.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=U0&Date=20120101&Category=PKR0201&ArtNo=201010807&Ref=PH&Item=28&Maxw=640&Maxh=410&q=60)

Flynn.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 03, 2012, 06:31:15 am
One bad thing about Flynn having that huge game for GB is he's definately gone now via FA. Lost a capable backup before he could even be used....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 03, 2012, 08:12:50 am
yeah, I wish our backup QB's never got used!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 03, 2012, 03:54:46 pm
Season is not over for GB.  Flynn could play some more if Rodgers is hurt in the play=offs or SB.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 19, 2012, 03:58:21 pm
Wow...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/19/vikings-announce-hiring-of-defensive-coordinator-defensive-line-coach/

Some really not-impressive hires for a Vikings team that needs a major shakeup in its D.

Leslie Frazier is starting to look a lot like Lovie and I'm not talking skin color.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 31, 2012, 10:35:41 am
By Bob Wolfley of the Journal Sentinel


Jan. 30, 2012 |(7) Comments
 
ESPN recently polled 20 members of National Football League's Pro Football Hall of Fame, including former Packers receiver James Lofton, and asked them to pick 20 current NFL players they thought were tough enough and good enough to play in any era.
 
The list produced, which ESPN billed as the "Any Era" team, produced two Packers players. Cornerback Charles Woodson was ranked fourth on the list and quarterback Aaron Rodgers was ranked ninth.
 
Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis was ranked first on the list.
 
The Any Era team, composed of current NFL players, as voted on by 20 NFL Hall of Famers:
 •1. Ray Lewis, linebacker, Ravens
•2. Troy Polamalu, safety, Steelers
•3. Ben Roethlisberger, quarterback, Steelers
•4. Charles Woodson, cornerback, Packers
•5. Brian Urlacher, linebacker, Bears
•6. Adrian Peterson, running back, Vikings
•7. Patrick Willis, linebacker, 49ers
•8. Hines Ward, wide receiver, Steelers
•9. Aaron Rodgers, quarterback, Packers
•10. James Harrison, linebacker, Steelers
•11. Tom Brady, quarterback, Patriots
•12. DeMarcus Ware, linebacker, Cowboys
•13. Ed Reed, safety, Ravens
•14. Ray Rice, running back, Ravens
•15. Darrelle Revis, cornerback, Jets
•16. Jared Allen, defensive end, Vikings
•17. Dwight Freeney, defensive end, Colts
•18. Ndamukong Suh, defensive end, Lions
•19. Tim Tebow, quarterback, Broncos
•20. Peyton Manning, quarterback, Colts
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 31, 2012, 10:42:03 am
UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
 




Name

Pos

Age

Yrs

Salary



Ryan Grant*

RB

29

5

$3.5M



Scott Wells*

C

31

8

2.75M



Jarrett Bush

CB

27

6

1.4M



Jermichael Finley*

TE

24

4

1.2M



Howard Green

NT

33

7

810,000



Matt Flynn

QB

26

4

600,000



Erik Walden

LB

26

4

600,000



Pat Lee

CB

27

4

555,000

 

Yrs = Accrued seasons. Salary = Base salary.

* Starter.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on January 31, 2012, 03:01:57 pm
Tim godsmack tebow?

No, not now, not ever.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 31, 2012, 06:43:21 pm
Yeah, I for once agree with Otto, Tebow, come on.
I didn't see a single OL on that list. What kind of team would that be?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 31, 2012, 08:29:25 pm
That list was about players who could play in any era. You don't think Tebow could? The list didn't say thay would be stars in any era but could be good players in any era. The knock on Tebow is that he doesn't have the great arm. Past eras put more emphasis on running the ball and being physical then on his arm so yes, I think he would be good in that era. Nobody has questioned his toughness. his smarts or his leadership abilities. I think he could fit fine in an era with less importance on the pass.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on February 01, 2012, 04:55:13 am
he could have been a great QB when they didn't throw the football but in THIS ERA he isn't so good.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan but he still has a way to go before he should get on that list.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 01, 2012, 08:49:56 am
The thing that should be emphasized is that he is playing in this era, and they are saying he could have played in past eras. Thats not saying he is some star in this era, but he has had some success. Nobody is saying he is a superstar.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 15, 2012, 04:58:44 pm
Interesting new twist to the Vikings Stadium fiasco:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/15/new-****-could-fund-vikings-stadium/

But actually, not that new of a twist.  My brother lives in Minneapolis and he says the idea of having gambling pay for a new stadium has actually been on the table for quite awhile already.  It makes sense...  gambling and ice fishing is about all there is to do up there from November till May. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 16, 2012, 01:06:59 am
Vikings to play 2012 season at Metrodome

Tribune News Services
3:10 p.m. CST, February 15, 2012


The Minnesota Vikings announced they would not file an “intent to relocate” with the NFL by Wednesday's deadline and will play the 2012 season at the Metrodome.

The team continues to push for a new stadium in the area, but could be a candidate to eventually move to Los Angeles if a solution isn't found now that the Metrodome lease is up.

“We feel we're making good progress toward a solution,” Vikings VP/Stadium Operations & Public Affairs Lester Bagley said, per the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

Team officials have never threatened to leave the Minneapolis area, despite a drawn-out and often contentious process of settling on a location and stadium proposal.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 21, 2012, 07:42:49 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2012, 3:09 PM EST
 
Getty Images
The Associated Press reports that the state Assembly in Wisconsin has decided to honor Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, the 2011 NFL MVP.
 
Since Rodgers wears No. 12, the state Assembly has selected December 12, 2012.
 
Yep.  12/12/12.
 
The measure now moves to the Wisconsin Senate.
 
Meanwhile, Brett Favre may want to know why they didn’t do anything for him on April 4, 2004.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 29, 2012, 08:16:02 pm
Ready to roll: Wide receivers Tori Gurley and Diondre Borel will be players to watch during the off-season after signing three-year minimum contracts to return. Gurley (Vikings) and Borel (Buccaneers) accepted sweetened contracts to stay on the Packers' practice squad after those teams offered them deals in mid-December to join their 53-man rosters.

Gurley measures 6 feet 4 inches and had the longest arms (35 inches) of any wide receiver at the 2011 combine. Listed at 216 pounds, McCarthy said Gurley has added 10 to 15 pounds in the weight room.

"He is ready," said McCarthy. "He's a whole different guy . . . from training camp to the end of the year . . . different guy. He had an exceptional year. He runs good enough.

"I like the diversity of our group. I don't like having all one type. He's red zone, posts. Big target."

Borel (6-0, 199) is faster than Gurley but needs development because he played quarterback at Utah State.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 20, 2012, 02:36:44 pm

 Dont know if Minnie or Deeeeeetroit has done jackshiiit so far in the offseason.

 Flynn is gone from G.B.

 Marshall is on DAA BEARRSSE.

 After that ...  ???
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on March 20, 2012, 02:40:42 pm
I just heard on the Radio that GB is a team interested in trading for Tebow.  Why?  Go figure...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 20, 2012, 02:55:33 pm
I just heard on the Radio that GB is a team interested in trading for Tebow.  Why?  Go figure...

It would give them another QB who has proven he can beat the Bears? 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 20, 2012, 02:57:20 pm
I just heard on the Radio that GB is a team interested in trading for Tebow.  Why?  Go figure...

 Because GB knows how to build backups into starters?

 Hey Wml,

 Think about this ...

 Tebow to Philly ...

 The OL is set up for left handers ...

 already have a guy who used to be run first pass second ...

 Reid taught him to pass first.

 Tebow in the Reid situation would be a bigger version of Vick.

 Vick ran around blockers ... Tebow would go thru them.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on March 20, 2012, 02:59:05 pm
I wouldn't go as far as saying Tebow beat the Bears last year.

I would say Marion Barber beat the Bears in that game.  Tebow was just there to take the glory.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 20, 2012, 03:27:46 pm
I wouldn't go as far as saying Tebow beat the Bears last year.

I would say Marion Barber beat the Bears in that game.  Tebow was just there to take the glory.

 The main thing is that fuuucker torched us for 190 yards in the fourth quarter.

 Barber fuuucked up ... but we let Tebow finish us. That was our game to be won.

 Chalk it up to history.  >:(
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 20, 2012, 03:55:18 pm
I wouldn't go as far as saying Tebow beat the Bears last year.

I would say Marion Barber beat the Bears in that game.  Tebow was just there to take the glory.

Tebow did put up points late in the game.  I don't blame Barber entirely.  Even after he fumbled in OT the defense didn't stop Tebow from moving them down the field in FG position.   
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 20, 2012, 04:26:32 pm
Tebow did put up points late in the game.  I don't blame Barber entirely.  Even after he fumbled in OT the defense didn't stop Tebow from moving them down the field in FG position.   

 Phil,

 We fuuucked up. That game was ours. Tebow was sent to the netherworld ... we let him get back.  >:(
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 20, 2012, 07:04:41 pm
I just heard on the Radio that GB is a team interested in trading for Tebow.  Why?  Go figure...

The only reason I could possibly see is as a RB capable of passing ala Hornung.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 20, 2012, 07:06:18 pm
No they want him as a back up QB.  They think they can teach him to throw. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 20, 2012, 07:58:59 pm
No they want him as a back up QB.  They think they can teach him to throw. 

 Anyone ... given the amount of time ... can teach Tebow to throw.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 20, 2012, 08:21:07 pm
Teach him to throw?  Didn't he win 2 national championships as a QB?

He took a 1-4 team this past season to the playoffs (7-3 record).

Didn't he throw a game winning TD in OT against the Steelers?  Perfect pass too!  He also threw for 316 yards by the way.

He threw for 206 yards against the Vikings while putting up 35 points.

He threw for 308 yards against the Texans in their back yard back in 2010 and won the game coming from behind.

Sure he's had bad games but his passing isn't horrid.

I think the Broncos just played ultra conservative with him at QB because he's not the typical drop back passer.  He's also a running QB and that dimension is something Fox didn't know how to deal with.

If he goes to another team that really wants him at QB instead of fullback if given a chance to play I feel he'll be a much better passer if given talent around him and a coaching staff that believes in him.



Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 20, 2012, 08:43:40 pm
His completion percentage is less then 50%.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 20, 2012, 09:27:21 pm
Teach him to throw?  Didn't he win 2 national championships as a QB?

He took a 1-4 team this past season to the playoffs (7-3 record).

Didn't he throw a game winning TD in OT against the Steelers?  Perfect pass too!  He also threw for 316 yards by the way.

He threw for 206 yards against the Vikings while putting up 35 points.

He threw for 308 yards against the Texans in their back yard back in 2010 and won the game coming from behind.

Sure he's had bad games but his passing isn't horrid.

I think the Broncos just played ultra conservative with him at QB because he's not the typical drop back passer.  He's also a running QB and that dimension is something Fox didn't know how to deal with.

If he goes to another team that really wants him at QB instead of fullback if given a chance to play I feel he'll be a much better passer if given talent around him and a coaching staff that believes in him.

 Theyre gonna shoot his ass down Phil ... he doesnt fit the ... "system". Nevermind what he does.

 
His completion percentage is less then 50%.

 Is that his fault ... or once again ... the "system"?

 Let him go to Jacksonville and let him have his way.  :D

 Of course if Elway kept him at Denver and let Manning train him for 3 years he would be the heads up

 to takeover once Manning retired. ;D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 20, 2012, 09:37:52 pm
The most impotant need for a QB is the ability of make the quick read.  You can't treach that and he was not born with it.  Lots of QBs washed out for the lack of that inherent ability.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 20, 2012, 10:05:27 pm
1-4 down the stretch, the league had film on him.  But he's big,young, smart, and burns to win. He'll do well no matter where he is.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 21, 2012, 08:02:54 am
the thing with Tebow is even if he can make the quick read, he can't make the quick throw because of his throwing motion.
He has such a slow release the WR has to be pretty open for him to make the throw else the D has time to react.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 21, 2012, 10:52:42 am
Only reason Broncos beat the Bears was that knucklehead Barbour ran out of bounds... :(
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on March 21, 2012, 01:12:59 pm
How soon you all forget...we lost because of the prevent defense. Horrible.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 21, 2012, 01:16:07 pm
How soon you all forget...we lost because of the prevent defense. Horrible.

I was gonna say, as I recall the Broncos game was pretty much the only one of those last 5 losses that couldn't really be blamed on our QB.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on March 21, 2012, 01:17:04 pm
Tebow was horrible all day long...until we went to the prevent...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on March 21, 2012, 01:22:51 pm
start at about page 130 of Today's Game...

Tebow was 8-23 for 106 yards and a pick the first 56 minutes of the game.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 21, 2012, 02:42:22 pm
The Vikings went to the SB with Joe Kapp at QB ---- and a helluva defense.  Denver had very good defense and no QB, too.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 21, 2012, 07:39:54 pm
How soon you all forget...we lost because of the prevent defense. Horrible.

Now that's TELLING IT LIKE IT IS!!!!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 21, 2012, 10:16:47 pm
Cutler lost that game for the Bears....plain and simple. His not being in there made the difference. Had he played, it would have been lopsided towards Bears.....Denver can thank Cut for being injured. That's game....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 22, 2012, 08:46:25 am
Denver can thank Cut for being injured. That's game....

Technically Denver can thank Knox.  If Knox doesn't slip against the Chargers, Cutty doesn't throw the pick which resulted in the tackle that broke his thumb.

But considering Knox' current situation I'm not inclined to pile-on.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 22, 2012, 12:16:26 pm
Man Knox is blamed for slipping on a bad field.

Folks will blame him for slipping on a ice covered field too.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 22, 2012, 01:45:41 pm

We know Forte is healthy.  And there's lots of talk about Knox and Carimi recovering from their season-ending injuries - but has anyone seen anything on Cutler's injury situation? 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 22, 2012, 04:45:46 pm
We know Forte is healthy.  And there's lots of talk about Knox and Carimi recovering from their season-ending injuries - but has anyone seen anything on Cutler's injury situation? 

I was just thinking about that the other day.  That would be the real Black Swan in this whole thing...  if Cutler's injury isn't completely healed or if for some reason it affects his technique and he loses velocity or accuracy in the process.  Everyone's assuming the Cutler we see on Day One of Training Camp will be the same guy we saw before he got hurt last year but that's not guaranteed...  at least, right out of the gate.

There are also some rumblings that Urlacher's knee may be taking longer than expected to get back into shape.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 22, 2012, 05:32:50 pm
I heard that about Urlacher
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 22, 2012, 09:15:30 pm

 Fuuuckin Emery signing Bush.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 23, 2012, 07:26:41 am
It was funny...was talking with the wife the other day telling her how great it was we got rid of Angie and that we seemed to be on the right track with Emery. That he ditched the worst OLman in OMG, picked up Cut's fav target from Denver and that we should be a much improved team this coming season. She goes 'Didn't he hurt his thumb? That's not healed yet is it?'. Got me thinking....crap....yea, what IS up with his thumb? We're all assuming right out the gate that he's gonna come back like Superman and start winging the ball around like he never lost a step. Didn't he have pins in there? That's serious crap! Putting your thumb back together with pins is a pretty big deal! But here's the good news...I guess....if it were a serious deal, the Bears would be addressing it. Uh.....wait a sec.....Campbell?......oh boy....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 23, 2012, 07:40:29 am
Jay has learned to throw with his LEFT hand - and he has also been practicing FGs
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 23, 2012, 07:42:48 am
Yea but when they getting him on ST coverage???
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 23, 2012, 08:05:50 am
Cuttler has also taken to practicing being a backup LT.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 23, 2012, 08:09:28 am
Heard he was also practicing...uh, with his left hand...throwing to himself at wideout.....we should really be paying him more
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 23, 2012, 10:23:54 am
If there was anything wrong with his thumb I am sure we would have heard about it, from Kristen.  ;)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 23, 2012, 11:20:29 am
You dont use a  thumb for that.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 23, 2012, 12:09:35 pm
Well you never know.  LOL
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 23, 2012, 06:27:46 pm
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 23, 2012, 12:35 PM EDT
 Getty ImagesJeff Saturday’s free agent tour started in Green Bay, and it will end there.

Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that a deal between the Packers and Saturday has been completed.

The Broncos were expected to make a strong push for Saturday, who has been Peyton Manning’s center for almost all of Manning’s career, and who would represent an upgrade at center in Denver.

But the Packers need a center, too, and Saturday is a strong choice for them. The Packers rarely sign unrestricted free agents, preferring to build through the draft and focus in free agency on re-signing their own players, but after starting center Scott Wells signed with the Rams, Green Bay makes sense as Saturday’s landing place.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 23, 2012, 06:51:29 pm
He is 36.  I wonder how much he has left in the tank.  You would think the Colts would have re-signed him since an experienced center would help their new rookie QB immensely if he was still playing at a high level.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 23, 2012, 07:21:36 pm
I dunno, Peke.  I hope that it is a short term deal.  That would allow Thompson a chance to find a new C in the draft.  I feel very comfortable with him at Center in 2012.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 27, 2012, 03:42:11 am

 Fuuuck DAA BEARRSE and Packers ...

 what are Minnie & Deeeeetroit up to?

 Those sneaky little fuuucks ...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 27, 2012, 08:35:03 am
Minnesota's not doing much of anything.  Signed TE John Carlson for big money (when they already have a promising 2nd year guy in Kyle Rudolph) but other than that just picking up some other teams' scrubs in FA. Prolly gonna stay at 3 and draft Kalil, and then BPA in the draft from there but that won't come close to replenishing their roster like they need to.

Bottom line on the Vikings is, lots of holes and not much action taken to fill them.  Vikings fans are very frustrated right now and the honeymoon for Leslie Frazier is definitely over. I think that barring spectacular production from their rookies this year, most are putting the over-under on wins for the Vikes in 2012 at about 5.

And that's not even counting the whole stadium fiasco.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 27, 2012, 09:33:04 am

Read in the paper today that the Vikings got TWO compensatory draft picks in the 4th round.

As for the Vikes future, remember what they used to say about a team making a bad decision on a first round QB and how far it sets your franchise back? 

Is Ponder going to be that guy?

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 27, 2012, 11:03:39 am
remember what they used to say about a team making a bad decision on a first round QB and how far it sets your franchise back?

Cade McNown.  Rex Grossman.  Nuff said.

Is Ponder going to be that guy?

Well for a guy the Vikings are supposedly "committed" to as their QB of the future, Vikings are doing a lot of hedging. Word is that Joe Webb will get a lot of run at QB (vs. WR) in training camp, and they also brought back Sage Rosenfels.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 27, 2012, 11:32:18 am
- Aaron Rodgers
- Matthew STafford
- Joe Webb (or any Viking QB)

Reminds me of the Sesame Street song about one of these things is not like the other?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 27, 2012, 11:33:04 am
I thought that one game that Webb played against us he looked pretty good for a young guy.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 29, 2012, 09:19:47 pm

 Remember when we used to take the Lions for granted and the Vikings for real?

 A shift in the tide means ... those guys are nobody ...

 thats when you get your asss kicked.

 Anything in the NFC North is beyond dangerous.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 30, 2012, 07:24:08 am
it would be nice to get to take the Packers for granted.....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 31, 2012, 01:55:47 am
it would be nice to get to take the Packers for granted.....

 Heh !
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 31, 2012, 10:35:16 am
Any time the Packers play the Bears never bet on either one - no matter the odds.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 01, 2012, 03:12:44 am
Any time the Packers play the Bears never bet on either one - no matter the odds.

 True dat.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 02, 2012, 04:22:46 pm
Trouble for a division rival...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/02/mikel-leshoure-doesnt-show-up-for-arraignment/

Missed last year hurt, now the drug thing...  gotta wonder how many more mulligans he's gonna get in Motown.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 03, 2012, 08:36:56 am
Trouble for a division rival...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/02/mikel-leshoure-doesnt-show-up-for-arraignment/

Missed last year hurt, now the drug thing...  gotta wonder how many more mulligans he's gonna get in Motown.

 Can he play for us while stoned?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 03, 2012, 04:04:23 pm
ROFLMAO

The PFT link won't print cause it has "mariju-ana" in it, but Nick Fairley has been arrested for the wacky weed.

Wheels coming off the Lions wagon after just one season.  Love it!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 04, 2012, 10:56:39 pm

 Fairley was suppossed to be the big time stud we should fear like Raji.

 Glad he's medicated.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 05, 2012, 08:41:58 am
I know, when I saw the Lions get Fairley and they already had Suh I thought oh sh*t...  but so far, anyway, those two haven't caused us too much trouble.  And if they keep acting up maybe they'll be out of the league sooner than later.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on April 19, 2012, 02:14:56 am
NFL exec: Vikes 'out of options'

ESPN.com news services
April 18, 2012, 11:22 PM ET


Two days after a Minnesota House committee voted against the Vikings' stadium bill, the NFL responded with its own strong message to state leaders: Get it done or face the consequences.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told Gov. Mark Dayton on Wednesday there will be "serious consequences" for both the league and the Vikings if the bill isn't passed, according to a Pioneer Press report.

And with the state's legislative session likely to wrap up in the next two weeks, Dayton said Tuesday that resolving the stadium issue, which has lingered for about a decade, would probably have to wait until 2013.

But the Vikings, who don't have a stadium lease, said Tuesday that next year isn't an option and a league executive said Wednesday the team and its ownership are "out of options" after Monday night's vote.

"In the 20 years that I've watched teams change hands, a lot of things get talked about. But until things are really ripe, nothing happens. This is getting ripe," NFL executive vice president of business operations Eric Grubman told the Minneapolis Star Tribune. "You have a very dejected ownership. They've run out of options. They feel like they've done everything they've been asked to do and they can't get a vote. No one will answer the question, 'What is it going to take?' "

"The Vikings have said, 'Give us A, B and C, what would you like us to do?' They've been told A, B and C, and they've done that. And they still can't get through. So what makes anyone think it's going to be any better or different next year or the year after?"

The Vikings have no option but to play in the Metrodome in the 2012 season, but the team's lease in the 30-year-old facility is expired and officials have said they don't plan to renew it.

Grubman said Wednesday there's a lot of concern in the league office after the committee voted 9-6 to reject the $975 million plan to build a replacement for the Metrodome in downtown Minneapolis.

"The ownership and league staff have been working with the Vikings and from the league's standpoint, the Vikings have been patient, they've negotiated in good faith, they've been responsive to doing all they can do to get this resolved. It's reached a point where there may be a stalemate," Grubman told the Star Tribune. "So I would say it's very serious at this point. You have to remember this was portrayed as having support and likely to pass as recently as a couple of weeks ago when we were at the league meetings. So this will come as quite a blow. This is quite a blow."

The proposal that fell in the House committee on Monday would have split the tab three ways for a stadium proposed to be built at the current Metrodome site: $398 million from the state from taxes on expanded gambling, $150 million from the city of Minneapolis from existing sales taxes and $427 million from the Vikings with assistance likely from the NFL.

According to multiple outlets, Goodell and Dayton will speak again Thursday with Pittsburgh Steelers owner and chair of the league's stadium committee Art Rooney II.

Grubman said he did not think Vikings owner Zygi Wilf would be on the call, insisting the latest stadium failure has forced the league to assess the team's options.

From our perspective, the Wilfs have done everything they can," Grubman told the paper. " ... Now it's sort of time for the league to assess. I just think it's a case of the commissioner, the governor and the head of the committee needing to put their heads together and say, 'OK, this is where it could go.' "

Dayton has made it clear he believes the Vikings will leave Minnesota if they do not have a plan for a new stadium in place by next year. Los Angeles, which does not have an NFL team but is progressing in its plan to build $1.4 billion downtown stadium, remains a threat if the Wilfs become frustrated and decide to move or sell the club.

"I think the Wilfs do not want to sell the franchise, but I think there is a point where they probably would be open-minded to listening to alternatives. To my knowledge, they have not been willing to do that at this point," Grubman told the Star Tribune.

But he continued, "I think they're running out of options and running out of patience. I doubt the commissioner would put probabilities or threaten or anything like that. But I would not be surprised if the commissioner tells the governor, if he asks, what other cities are interested in the Vikings because we are aware of that."
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 19, 2012, 07:51:35 am
I sure wouldnt move to LA and I really dont see any other alternatives. And the state is really screwed because no other team will be willing to move there. They wont get an expansion team
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 19, 2012, 08:06:15 am
The problem is that the only leverage the Vikings really have is to threaten to leave.  And if the people of Minnesota don't feel like it's a priority to keep an NFL franchise in their state -- which has appeared to be the overwhelming sentiment right throughout -- then that leverage decreases quite a bit.

Fact of the matter is, the majority of people in Minnesota really don't give a damn whether the Vikings leave or stay, as long as it's not money coming out of their pockets.  That doesn't leave either side with a lot of options. 

The whole Favre thing, the team's terrible play the last couple of years and some very questionable personnel moves don't help things any, either.

I suspect that in the final analysis, either a new stadium will be built in the Twin Cities Metro area with Zygi and private investors footing all or most of the bill, or Zygi will sell the team and let the new ownership deal with the issue of where they play.  If he were really keen on moving the team I think we would have seen more action towards that end by now.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on April 19, 2012, 08:22:35 am
The NFL Stadium deals are a miry muck.
On one hand why should tax payers foot the bill. Shouldn't the owners have to pay for the place their employees work? For private sector folks did taxpayers build the building that you are working in?
On the other hand NFL teams do bring a good amount of revenue to a city. I know a lot of cities/states will give incentives to bring employers to their areas.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 19, 2012, 08:35:50 am
Lets face it, new stadiums are expensive. Somebody has to pay for them. People in Minnesota dont want to pay for one. I cant say as I blame them. I guess then if I were the owner and didnt want to move the franchise I'd be negotiating a new lease on the Metrodome which seems to be what the citizens are wanting to happen.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 19, 2012, 08:41:27 am
The Metrodome is a freakin joke.  I've seen several Vikings/Bears games there and wow, it just sucks.

Adrian Peterson probably has a bigger TV in his house than the Metrodome's replay screens. 

It's loud, for whatever that's worth, but the rest of the gameday experience is subpar to say the least.  If the Vikings ever want to change the perception of being a 2nd-tier team in a 3rd-tier town, they need a better place to play.

And if they don't start putting a better team on the field they won't even have the advantage of noise cause nobody will be going to the games. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 19, 2012, 09:41:38 am
I only see two options to an owner who isnt interested in moving, find somebody to build you one with private money or stay in the place you have if the state wont help.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on April 19, 2012, 10:01:07 am
Better do something quick.  The building season in Minny is what? Two weeks? Should build the damn thing underground like most of the Mayo Clinic.
Put the car parking lots right over it. Less footprint.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 19, 2012, 10:05:31 am
Ha. And the players would be swimming in the Mississippi.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on April 20, 2012, 09:33:08 am
Have seen two games at the Minnyhaha and didn't think it was that bad. It's not a new gleaming Mega-plex like Jones built in Dallas but it's not the worst I've seen, either. Would hate to see them move elsewhere. They are knitted to the landscape there in Viking land. It's the spot they need to be. Like taking the Tundra out of Green Bay-ville. But paying for new monster stadiums in a economy moving at the speed of a sloth is a hard sell...a real real hard sell....not a good time at all.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on April 20, 2012, 09:46:13 am

Remember the Minneapolis Lakers?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on April 20, 2012, 10:26:46 am
And they moved to and became....................?  All about money.  Owners don't think like you or I.  The world is their oyster, to them matters not one whit where their team is.  Not the fans team, their team.  The Vikes could end up the Mexico City Vikingos for all we know.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on April 20, 2012, 11:41:23 am
Yea, the NFC Mex division....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 20, 2012, 12:19:06 pm
They'd have to move them out of the NFC North. Maybe we'd get the Rams
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 20, 2012, 06:47:48 pm
I don't understand the obsession for a team in LA.  They have had several teams try and fail there.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 20, 2012, 07:09:37 pm
Mike McCarthy didn’t have to look far down the schedule for it to get his attention.
 
“Four big challenges right out of the gate,” McCarthy told packers.com.
 
It’s a kind of murderer’s row of opening opponents: 49ers and Bears at home, then off to Seattle for a visit with Matt Flynn, then back home for a rematch of last year’s “Kickoff” thriller with the Saints. On top of that formidable quartet of opponents, the middle two games will be played at prime time on a Thursday and a Monday.
 
Second-easiest schedule in the league? Not in September. In the opening month of the season, the Packers might be playing the league’s most difficult schedule.
 
“It’s a difficult challenge, but I like the maturity of our football team. We’ll be ready,” the Packers head coach said...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 20, 2012, 09:14:07 pm
I don't understand the obsession for a team in LA.  They have had several teams try and fail there.

Exactly! I dont see it happening. Large city but poor draw. They have USC and UCLA right there who draw better. The Rams and the Raiders failed miserably in LA
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 23, 2012, 07:53:05 pm
Exactly! I dont see it happening. Large city but poor draw. They have USC and UCLA right there who draw better. The Rams and the Raiders failed miserably in LA

 You would call a team in town from 1946 to 1994 a failure?

 You have set some standards that no one can ever reach.  :D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 23, 2012, 10:20:26 pm
Compared to Chi and GB who have been in town frpm the 1920s until the 2010s.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on April 24, 2012, 12:31:56 am
You would call a team in town from 1946 to 1994 a failure?

 You have set some standards that no one can ever reach.  :D

LOL!!!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on April 24, 2012, 07:58:40 am
Packrat, I'm unsure I would call NO or SEA quality opponents this year though by the 3rd week or so Flynn might have SEA on the right direction.

If NO sniffs 8-8 this year I'll be surprised.
The bad part about this is they likely will get a high #1 pick next year as a "reward".
I think in my punishment I would have moved their #1 to the bottom of the round.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on April 24, 2012, 08:13:05 am
They forfeit next year's pick as well, right?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on April 24, 2012, 08:17:02 am
I think they lose this year's #2 and next years #2 but get to keep #1.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on April 24, 2012, 09:09:00 am
Yea I think NO is gonna have a down year...WAY too much distraction. Really wouldn't surprise me if they suffer a losing season...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 24, 2012, 09:22:02 am
They're still an 8-8 team as long as they've got a healthy Drew Brees under center.

The division could be tougher for them this year than they've gotten accustomed to though.  With a good draft I see Carolina moving into the category of playoff contender and the Bucs won't be as awful as they were last year either.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 24, 2012, 11:36:07 am
I doubt NO's draft this year will be affected that much by that new NFL investigation, but with more penalties on the way as a result I could see them losing more picks by 2013.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 24, 2012, 12:48:47 pm
Packrat, I'm unsure I would call NO or SEA quality opponents this year though by the 3rd week or so Flynn might have SEA on the right direction.

If NO sniffs 8-8 this year I'll be surprised.
The bad part about this is they likely will get a high #1 pick next year as a "reward".
I think in my punishment I would have moved their #1 to the bottom of the round.

You are probably  right.  Just some rhetoric by Mccarthy to make conversation and "pay repects''.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 10, 2012, 02:50:03 pm
Vikings stadium issue has FINALLY cleared all the political B.S. in the Minnesota legislature. 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/10/vikings-stadium-clears-last-obstacle-in-legislature/

Looks like the Vikes are staying in Minny and the NFC North will remain intact.  Good for everyone AFAIC.

L.A. will have to hit-up some other owner if they want a team.  The Jaguars might be a good choice...   I've never felt that Florida needs 3 NFL teams and the Jacksonville fan base has been terrible for years.  Plus that new owner of theirs is nutty as a fruitcake so he'd be a perfect fit there in SoCal.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on May 10, 2012, 05:08:04 pm
L.A. Jags...that has a cool ring to it....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 11, 2012, 12:15:02 am
Looks like the Vikes are staying in Minny and the NFC North will remain intact.  Good for everyone AFAIC.

I guess you're right but I really was hoping they would move.  That would allow the Rams to move to the NFC North in it's place and I can see the Bears in St. Louis yearly.

It's all good though.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on May 11, 2012, 02:43:01 pm
Pass on the wussie indoor rams...

If the NFC Nort ever expanded I would take the outdoor KC Chiefs.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on May 11, 2012, 04:41:55 pm
Cleveland. Another great lake team.  Yep. Cleveland.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 12, 2012, 06:10:54 am
I am glad the Vikings got it done.  The original 4 are still together.  They all rise and fall (well except the Lions), but is a great division to be a part of.  The NFC Central, how the Bucs ever got in there, lol...  But it did afford me to see the beloved in Tampa many times
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 12, 2012, 06:12:56 am
Just out of curiousity, does anyone know how many times each team in the North won the division in the past 50 years?  I'd have to think the Lions are under 6 times
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 12, 2012, 12:08:04 pm
18 times in the last 45 years,

[font face=courier]Season
 
Team
 
Record
 
Playoff Results
 


NFL Central
 


1967
 
Green Bay Packers
 
9-4-1
 
Won Super Bowl II
 


1968
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
8-6-0
 
Lost NFL Divisional Playoffs
 


1969
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
12-2-0
 
Lost Super Bowl IV
 


NFC Central
 


1970
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
12-2-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


1971
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
11-3-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


1972
 
Green Bay Packers
 
10-4-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


1973
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
12-2-0
 
Lost Super Bowl VIII
 


1974
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
10-4-0
 
Lost Super Bowl IX
 


1975
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
12-2-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


1976
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
11-2-1
 
Lost Super Bowl XI
 


1977
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
9-5-0
 
Lost NFC Championship Game
 


1978
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
8-7-1
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


1979
 
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
 
10-6-0
 
Lost NFC Championship Game
 


1980
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
9-7-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


1981
 
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
 
9-7-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


1982+
 
Green Bay Packers
 
5-3-1
 
Lost NFC Second Round
 


1983
 
Detroit Lions
 
9-7-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


1984
 
Chicago Bears
 
10-6-0
 
Lost NFC Championship Game
 


1985
 
Chicago Bears
 
15-1-0
 
Won Super Bowl XX
 


1986
 
Chicago Bears
 
14-2-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


1987
 
Chicago Bears
 
11-4-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


1988
 
Chicago Bears
 
12-4-0
 
Lost NFC Championship Game
 


1989
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
10-6-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


1990
 
Chicago Bears
 
11-5-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


1991
 
Detroit Lions
 
12-4-0
 
Lost NFC Championship Game
 


1992
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
11-5-0
 
Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs
 


1993
 
Detroit Lions
 
10-6-0
 
Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs
 


1994
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
10-6-0
 
Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs
 


1995
 
Green Bay Packers
 
11-5-0
 
Lost NFC Championship Game
 


1996
 
Green Bay Packers
 
13-3-0
 
Won Super Bowl XXXI
 


1997
 
Green Bay Packers
 
13-3-0
 
Lost Super Bowl XXXII
 


1998
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
15-1-0
 
Lost NFC Championship Game
 


1999
 
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
 
11-5-0
 
Lost NFC Championship Game
 


2000
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
11-5-0
 
Lost NFC Championship Game
 


2001
 
Chicago Bears
 
13-3-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


NFC North
 


2002
 
Green Bay Packers
 
12-4-0
 
Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs
 


2003
 
Green Bay Packers
 
10-6-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


2004
 
Green Bay Packers
 
10-6-0
 
Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs
 


2005
 
Chicago Bears
 
11-5-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs
 


2006
 
Chicago Bears
 
13-3-0
 
Lost Super Bowl XLI
 


2007
 
Green Bay Packers
 
13-3-0
 
Lost NFC Championship Game
 


2008
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
10-6-0
 
Lost NFC Wild Card Playoffs
 


2009
 
Minnesota Vikings
 
12-4-0
 
Lost NFC Championship Game
 


2010
 
Chicago Bears
 
11-5-0
 
Lost NFC Championship Game
 


2011
 
Green Bay Packers
 
15-1-0
 
Lost NFC Divisional Playoffs[/font]

 

+ A players' strike in 1982 reduced the regular season to nine games
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 12, 2012, 12:17:49 pm
GB = 11.

Chi = 10

TB and  Det the remainder.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 12, 2012, 09:13:45 pm
So I was correct, being a Lion fan is not good.  3 division crowns in 45 years.  The Bucs won it twice, and left the division over 10 years ago, and entered it over 15 years after the original 4.  Props to the Vikes for their 18...  I hated Fran Tarkenton!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on May 13, 2012, 05:43:14 pm
Let's not forget how many times Detriot has made the SB...

Replace them with Cleveland.

Whoops, same thing.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 13, 2012, 06:03:42 pm
Loved Bud Grant.  He was a guy with his head on straight and priorities in proper line.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Vikings2 on May 14, 2012, 07:43:30 pm
The Minnesota Vikings new stadium will be talked in the same breath as the cowpokes stadium when it opens.   A 70,000+seat stadium with a retractable roof.  Super Bowl and Final fours will be played there. 

Minnesota will have the most pro, college stadiums and arenas' per capita in the world.   
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 14, 2012, 07:46:59 pm
Holy ****!  A V2 sighting!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 14, 2012, 08:00:53 pm
The retractable roof would be great, but understand that it isn't a slam dunk yet.  To see the Bears at Lambeau and at the new Viking stadium is on the Grizz bucket list.  Ford Field looks cool, but I don't really need to go. 

My best memory of seeing the Bears / Lions in person, was the game where they trailed 17-0 entering the 4th quarter at the Silverdome, Vince Evans rallys them for 17, and David Williams returns the opening kickoff  of overtime for a touchdown.  Priceless...  I was there
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on May 14, 2012, 08:09:25 pm
I doubt that it'll be near the size of Cowboy stadium. That place is ridiculous. But if true, it sounds like it'll be a nice stadium and Minny has to have Vikings there.....just wouldn't be the same place without em....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 14, 2012, 08:51:10 pm
My best memory of seeing the Bears / Lions in person, was the game where they trailed 17-0 entering the 4th quarter at the Silverdome, Vince Evans rallys them for 17, and David Williams returns the opening kickoff  of overtime for a touchdown.  Priceless...  I was there

I remember that game...although I don't remember anything that happened during regulation...just the KO return.   At the time it and for quite a while after it was the shortest OT.   Does anyone know if the record was broken?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 14, 2012, 09:57:30 pm
Best memory Hester returning the kick off for a TD in the Super Bowl.  The worst memory?  The rest of the game...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 15, 2012, 12:59:09 am
Time for the Bears to get a real stadium now.

No excuse for the Bears to play in a 61,000 seat stadium which is also the smallest stadium in the entire league.  Sad sad sad.....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 15, 2012, 05:41:15 am
I don't believe the record has ever been broken...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 15, 2012, 09:56:26 am

No way Dave Williams run took 21 seconds...

I keep hearing how Sunday’s Broncos-Steelers game was the shortest overtime in NFL history at 11 seconds. I remember a Bears win over the Lions in 1980 when I believe Dave Williams ran the overtime kickoff back for a touchdown. How long did that overtime last?

Bret
Marion, Indiana

The overtime you’re referring to—on Thanksgiving Day 1980—lasted 21 seconds as Dave Williams returned the overtime kickoff 95 yards for a touchdown, giving the Bears a stunning 23-17 victory over the Detroit Lions in the Pontiac Silverdome. (I have no idea how 21 seconds could have elapsed; I watched the play on You Tube and it’s not 21 seconds even if you start counting when the ball is kicked instead of when Williams catches it.) The Bears had tied the game on the final play of regulation on quarterback Vince Evans’ four-yard touchdown run up the middle. The Bears have actually played in a shorter overtime game: Mike Brown returned an interception 33 yards for a touchdown just :16 into the extra session to give the Bears a 37-31 win over the San Francisco 49ers on Oct. 28, 2001 at Soldier Field. That overtime is now tied for the third shortest in NFL history
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Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 15, 2012, 09:52:17 pm
You know, I recall the scramble by Evans that tied the score, I just don't recall that it was as time expired.  I'd love to see that whole game replayed...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 16, 2012, 08:58:23 am
The Minnesota Vikings new stadium will be talked in the same breath as the cowpokes stadium when it opens.   A 70,000+seat stadium with a retractable roof.  Super Bowl and Final fours will be played there. 

The tricky part will be getting from here to there.  Specifically those two seasons they're saying the Vikings will need to play in TCF Stadium.  I'm interested to see how those years go because that is NOT an NFL caliber stadium and there are some mighty cold games in store for Vikings players and fans those years no matter how the NFL tries to rig the schedule.

Personally, I think the decision to build on the old Metrodome footprint is asinine.  Would have been much better to go out to Arden Hills and then the Vikings could have played in the Metrodome right up till the new stadium opened its doors.  It also would have been a much more commuter-friendly venue than downtown Mpls.  I went to a late season game with my brother at the Metrodome a couple years ago and waiting an hour and half outside to catch the light rail after the game was no fun at all.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on May 16, 2012, 09:32:13 am
The Arden Hills cost overruns outside of the actual stadium construction costs would have included new roads, bridges, and and toxic land clean up.  You just had a feeling this project would eventually end up in Mpls.  Mpls was also able to score funding for the Target Center remodeling as well.  Outside of some renegade city council member having delusions of grandier to tip the majority vote from yay to nay, it's a done deal.  As far as I know, the retractable option for the roof is not settled yet.  Hard to believe considering this will eventually cost a cool billion.

The Gophs get $3 million a season from the Queens.  The heating coils and additional endzone bleachers are all paid for by the Queens as well.  Not a bad deal for the U.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on May 16, 2012, 10:01:20 am
So- Outdoor games at Minny, GB, and Chi.  Lions should move out during that time as well.  Schedule games with SD, Tampa,Miami, Tenn, Houstion, Cowboys, NO.....it'id be a hoot.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 16, 2012, 08:36:45 pm
The Minnesota Vikings new stadium will be talked in the same breath as the cowpokes stadium when it opens.   A 70,000+seat stadium with a retractable roof.  Super Bowl and Final fours will be played there. 

Minnesota will have the most pro, college stadiums and arenas' per capita in the world.   

 
Holy ****!  A V2 sighting!

 No shiit ... wheres our bro been?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 16, 2012, 09:00:13 pm

I dunno, maybe when your team only wins 3 games and you get swept by the Bears you aren't as apt to shoot off your mouth on a Bears board.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 17, 2012, 05:54:25 am
I dunno, maybe when your team only wins 3 games and you get swept by the Bears you aren't as apt to shoot off your mouth on a Bears board.

 V2's still an original bro ... he predates half the people on this board.

 I value the Vikings fan opinion ... V2 knows more about the Vikings then we do.  :D

 You gotta respect that.  ;D

 Any info that V2 wants to post here about the Vikings is OK with me.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 21, 2012, 12:20:02 pm
Love It!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/21/lions-ban-titus-young-from-otas-for-sucker-punching-louis-delmas/
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 21, 2012, 12:31:11 pm
What goes around comes around. If you draft cheap shot artists and street punks, you have to expect that.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 21, 2012, 12:43:56 pm
That team is out of control.

Almost makes you feel sorry for Megatron and Stafford...  the two best players on that team and also it seems, the only ones who aren't complete tools.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 21, 2012, 12:52:32 pm
I value the Vikings fan opinion ... V2 knows more about the Vikings then we do.  :D

 You gotta respect that.


If his posts were more like packrat's I'd agree with you.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on May 22, 2012, 03:01:59 am
Lions are out of control. Seems they get some good talent but somehow implode around it. They had Barry but he left prematurely and now they've got Suh but he's a big part of the problem this time. I definately understand intensity and appreciate it in the game but out of control intensity becomes thuggery.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on May 22, 2012, 09:10:34 am
Their coach is a thug himself...what else would you expect from his team?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 22, 2012, 09:16:08 am
It's rare I have much positive to say about Lovie but one thing I will give him is that embarrassing incidents like that have been relatively few and far between on his watch.  Yeah there was that one incident with Kreutz a few years ago, the Briggs Lamborghini thing, the Tank Johnson stuff and Urlacher's baby-mama drama...  but really, the Bears tend to be one of the better behaved teams in the league. And players who do have a tendency to cause or attract trouble (Tank, Benson, Sam Hurd, etc.) usually aren't kept on the team for more than a couple of seasons.   
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 22, 2012, 12:39:38 pm

Almost makes you feel sorry for Megatron and Stafford...  the two best players on that team and also it seems, the only ones who aren't complete tools.

I don't feel sorry for them at all.  NO sympathy.  I'm sure if the shoe was on our foot no one would feel sorry for us at all. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 22, 2012, 09:09:45 pm
It's rare I have much positive to say about Lovie but one thing I will give him is that embarrassing incidents like that have been relatively few and far between on his watch.  Yeah there was that one incident with Kreutz a few years ago, the Briggs Lamborghini thing, the Tank Johnson stuff and Urlacher's baby-mama drama...  but really, the Bears tend to be one of the better behaved teams in the league. And players who do have a tendency to cause or attract trouble (Tank, Benson, Sam Hurd, etc.) usually aren't kept on the team for more than a couple of seasons.   

True dat.  He is a class act.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on May 23, 2012, 03:45:48 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNcBFZ26lcI&feature=share
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 27, 2012, 11:33:00 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/27/lions-nick-fairley-arrested-for-dui-eluding-police/

I am guessing this guy is going to get suspended for a few games.  The Lions are a mess.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 27, 2012, 03:42:43 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/27/lions-nick-fairley-arrested-for-dui-eluding-police/

I am guessing this guy is going to get suspended for a few games.  The Lions are a mess.

That was the rap for him before he was drafted.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 29, 2012, 08:14:45 am
It just keeps getting better for the Lions.  What a freak show.  It's fun to watch if you're a division rival though.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 30, 2012, 05:38:38 am
To see the Lions to be competitive would be a good thing.  To see them as competitive with that clown of a coach and those clowns on the rap sheet, no thanks.  They deserve to implode...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 30, 2012, 10:27:43 am
They get no sympathy from me!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 30, 2012, 11:14:35 am
Why not? You have supported thugs in the past.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 03, 2012, 08:01:49 pm


Written by

Rob Demovsky

Green Bay Press-Gazette

Shortly after the Green Bay Packers signed their undrafted rookie free agent class of 14 players, General Manager Ted Thompson was asked whether he thought any of them had a chance to make the team.

“It seems like one or two of them always does,” Thompson said.


This year, it could be outside linebacker Dezman Moses, who has caught the eye of Packers’ scouts and coaches during his first month with the team.


This week, when the Packers held out Clay Matthews from team drills during part of the organized team activities, the 6-foot-2, 249-pound Moses saw his practice time spike. He worked with the second-string defense at right outside linebacker behind Erik Walden, who took Matthews’ place with the starters.


For all the high draft picks the Packers spent to bolster their pass rush, adding outside linebacker Nick Perry in the first round and defensive end Jerel Worthy in the second, perhaps an undrafted free agent signed for a few thousand bucks could help, too.


“I think Moses has a natural feel for the position,” Packers outside linebackers coach Kevin Greene said. “He does a couple of things that just absolutely look natural in his movement for the position. He sees things at a very early stage. In the scheme implementation of our defense, he’s starting to see things early, and that’s always positive. He was a linebacker (in college), so he’s not making too far of a transition playing this position. He really has some good, natural feel about him.”


To be sure, it’s been a few years since Moses played outside linebacker. He was a backup at that spot for parts of two seasons at Iowa but saw his playing time drop after he served a suspension following a public intoxication arrest early in the 2008 season. He then transferred to Tulane, where he played two years at defensive end. As a senior, he had 9½ sacks in 13 games and was a second-team all-Conference USA selection by the league’s coaches.


“It’s like jogging your memory,” Moses said of switching back to outside linebacker. “It’s something you haven’t done in a while. You’ve got to teach your body the muscle memory. I’ve done it before so as you do it more, you become more comfortable with it. I’m just trying to get the overall scheme down so I can adapt and play fast.”




























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— rdemovsk@greenbaypressgazette.com and follow him on Twitter @RobDemovsky.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 04, 2012, 11:16:20 am

More fluff stories about players who might not even make the team.  WRs and QBs are about the only positions that you might get a read on during OTAs.  But any other position, particularly pass rushers or pass protectors, its really difficult to project what they can do when the pads are off.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 04, 2012, 09:05:55 pm
I dunno.  The Pack has had several FA rookies start recently. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 05, 2012, 09:08:08 am

True, but they didn't make the team based on their performance in OTAs.

It's not just the Packers' writers but the Bears' writers too.  Earlier this year there was a story about a 6-5 UFA WR a year or two ago there was a 6-5 safety...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 05, 2012, 09:38:46 am
I agree with you to a point, dallas, but there can be factors that show up in the OTAs that may not have been obvious in the player's college career.

One example would be Sam Shields who was a WR in college.  McCarthy switched him to CB.  He was a natural and it was obvious immediately in OTAs that he was a natural there.  He becane a first year starter.

Unknown LB Frank Zombo naturally fit into the Packers D and he was an undrafted player who played as a rookie.

Vic So'Oto surprised everyone from day one and played part time. 

Thompson seems to have an uncanny instict in draftting unknown rookies.
You are correct, though that OTAs alone don't tell the whole story.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 05, 2012, 10:26:31 am

I listed QB and WR...but I almost added CB.  Most of what a CB does is defend receivers and you can validate that ability in OTAs.  But a significant part of a CB's job is tackling and you can't do that in OTAs.

But pass rushers - no way.  Wait till they put on the pads then let me know.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 05, 2012, 10:44:40 am
Some of those pics of Jeffery and Marshall catching passes in the OTAs are pretty cool.  Especially the ones where they're going up high.

After all these years we've finally got some WRs that look like they belong in the league.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 05, 2012, 09:33:05 pm
I listed QB and WR...but I almost added CB.  Most of what a CB does is defend receivers and you can validate that ability in OTAs.  But a significant part of a CB's job is tackling and you can't do that in OTAs.

But pass rushers - no way.  Wait till they put on the pads then let me know.

Point taken.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Fearless Freep on June 17, 2012, 10:41:43 pm
Tillman sticks up for Bears while reproving CHI math teacher (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829df03a/article/bears-cb-charles-tillman-schools-propackers-teacher)

Bears CB Charles Tillman schools pro-Packers teacher     

When Chicago Bears (http://www.nfl.com/teams/chicagobears/profile?team=CHI) cornerback Charles "Peanut" Tillman was asked for an autograph at a recent charity event, a nice moment turned into just another log on the fire of his team's rivalry with the Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB).
Tillman was stationed at a Chicago-area sporting goods store to promote his charity, Cornerstone Foundation. When the store owner's daughter, tucked away doing her math homework, asked Tillman to sign her assigment sheet, he obliged but was thrown for a loop when he scanned the page.

(http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/math-120615-IA.jpg)


The pro-Packers math problem that prompted Bears cornerback Charles Tillman to write a letter to a Chicago-area teacher.
Per Deadspin (http://deadspin.com/5918678/charles-peanut-tillman-scornfully-responds-to-local-teachers-anti+bears-math-homework), it read as follows:

Tillman fulfilled the girl's request for an autograph, with a special message for her middle-school math instructor, John Amrein, who cooked up the brain bende
r:

Mr. Amrein,
 
This is Charles "Peanut" Tillman of the Chicago Bears and I'm shocked that you would have a problem like this for your students. The probability that the Bears would win in my opinion is 100%. Please do not and I repeat DO NOT send them home with math homework that is disrespectful to our team, city and our beloved Chicago Bears.
 
 Your All Pro Corner
 Charles "Peanut" Tillman
 33
 Geaux Bears
 
 P.S. Bear Down


Love it .... not MY team but I wouldn't want the Pack to play any Bears team other than one full of Tillmans.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 18, 2012, 05:19:00 pm

NFC North breakout and versatile players

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NFC North players assumed a prominent place on two top-10 lists produced this week by Gary Horton of Scouts Inc. Both require an Insider subscription to see fully, but I can pass along the names and offer a few comments of my own.
 
The first is Horton's top 10 breakout players for NFC teams in 2012 . Each of our teams was represented:
 
1. Green Bay Packers receiver Randall Cobb
Seifert comment: Cobb's development suggested the Packers might not need veteran Donald Driver this season. But Cobb will compete hard for playing time regardless as he continues his development. Remember, Cobb was an early entrant in the draft and won't be 22 until August.
 
4. Minnesota Vikings tight end Kyle Rudolph
Seifert comment: Rudolph and quarterback Christian Ponder have enjoyed good chemistry since last summer, and there is every reason to think Rudolph will be among Ponder's favorite targets this season. His ball skills and hands make him an especially intriguing player in the red zone.
 
5. Chicago Bears offensive lineman Gabe Carimi
Seifert comment: Horton considers Carimi the Bears' best offensive lineman. The question will continue to be whether he can get on the field and stay there after a mostly lost rookie season.
 
7. Detroit Lions receiver Titus Young
Seifert comment: Maturity is the key word for Young, who has drawn rave reviews for the way he rebounded from a fight with safety Louis Delmas. If that incident was the catalyst for getting Young in line and set to be a consistent contributor, then it was a small price to pay.
 
Four NFC North players also appeared on Horton's list of the NFC's 10 most versatile players :
 
2. Vikings receiver Percy Harvin
Seifert comment: Harvin has the rare skill set to appear more than occasionally as a running back. He is versatile and also unique, and in the end he can score on any play as a receiver, a runner or a kickoff returner.
 
6. Bears returner/receiver Devin Hester
Seifert comment: This could be the year that Hester is no longer just a returner who is playing receiver. The Bears think they have devised an approach that can make him an elite player in both roles.
 
7. Packers defensive lineman B.J. Raji
Seifert comment: It's true. Raji can line up as a 3-4 nose tackle or end, as well as an under tackle in the 4-3. He's also contributed as an offensive player in the backfield. What's next? A touchdown reception?
 
9. The Packers' Cobb
Seifert comment: It will be interesting to see if Cobb develops into a full-time receiver who also returns some kicks, or if the Packers will emphasize his special teams role given their depth at receiver.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 18, 2012, 05:28:20 pm
The talk has been about Driver being the receiver likely to be cut.  Maybe Jones is a more liekly bet to lose his roster spot.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 18, 2012, 08:18:20 pm
And here you have it.  It wasn't their fault.  Adults when it comes to having fun, spending money, strutting around, kids with someone else to blame when it blows up.  Best of all worlds.  Like I said, thug basterds.
http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=793453-lions-dc-says-he-should-have-seen-nick-fairley's-problems-coming
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 19, 2012, 11:12:36 am
I think the coaches must do all they can to encourage rookies from troubled areas to drop their HS buddies and get them involved with  a new group of friends.  Job #1.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 20, 2012, 09:17:57 am
Nick Fairley is a big-time talent. Unfortunately as it's turning out he's also a big-time loser off the field.

I'm happy he's the Lions' problem and not the Bears' but I don't think any GM could have anticipated quite how messed up this kid apparently really is.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 20, 2012, 12:30:25 pm
Report: Harvin wants trade from Vikings


http://www.foxsportsnorth.com/06/20/12/Report-Harvin-wants-trade-from-Vikings/msn_landing.html?blockID=749180&feedID=5930
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 20, 2012, 12:42:17 pm
I'm sure the Bears wouldn't mind seeing Harvin shipped out of the conference.  I doubt it happens though.

Lots of chatter about Harvin going to the Cowboys straight-up for their CB Jenkins but so far it's all just chatter as far as I know.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 20, 2012, 10:59:14 pm
By Tyler Dunne of the Journal Sentinel

June 20, 2012 5:31 p.m. 


One day after Anthony Hargrove's passionate response to video evidence used in the New Orleans Saints' bounty investigation, a former teammate has backed up Hargrove's claim that it was not his voice in the clip.
 
Former practice squad defensive lineman Earl Heyman says he was in that defensive huddle during the 2009 NFC Championship. Audio picked up one player saying "pay me my money," though Hargrove's face is obscured in the video.
 
Heyman tells CBSSports.com that he knows who said that line and that it was not Hargrove.
 
"I was right there, right there in that closeup (of the defensive huddle) they're talking about," Heyman said. "Every time they came off the field I was standing right there talking to them, and I know who said it, and I can say with 100 percent accuracy who said it, and I know 100 percent it wasn't Anthony."

Now with the Packers, Hargrove was suspended eight games.

Heyman would not say which player uttered those words, but did say he'd cooperate with the NFL.

"I don't want to incriminate anyone," Heyman said. "I will if I have to, if it goes to court or something like that, I'd testify. But I don't want to get caught up in this or that or getting more people in trouble. That's not what I'm about, but I am about protecting Anthony because he's my friend and he's been done a great injustice and he's been done wrong."

After Hargrove spoke out Tuesday, the league has stated it stands by its investigation.
 
"I was right there," Heyman added. "I remember it because it was a monumental play in the game, and I know Anthony didn't say that."
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 20, 2012, 11:06:44 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on June 20, 2012, 5:58 PM EDT
 
AP
Maybe it really wasn’t Anthony Hargrove’s voice saying, “Give me my money.”
 
The video/audio of a comment supposedly made by the former Saints defensive end during the third quarter of the 2009 NFC title game provides further proof of Drew Brees‘ point (even if it wasn’t articulated the best way possible) that the media has more power than anyone realizes.
 
The NFL, however, fully realizes.
 
And the NFL used the power of the media to make millions believe on Monday that Saints defensive Anthony Hargrove said, ‘Bobby, give me my money’ after being told by assistant head coach Joe Vitt that Vikings quarterback Brett Favre may have suffered a broken leg in the 2009 NFC title game.
 
The seed was planted and fertilized when a dozen members of the media covering Monday’s appeal hearing received an invitation to witness an encore performance of former prosecutor Mary Jo White’s summary of evidence.  The relevant excerpt from the transcript of the media session contains White’s explanation, comments from NFL Security chief Jeff Miller, comments from NFL spokesman Greg Aiello, and two of the members of the media — Peter King and Jim Varney.
 
White initially explained that the video contains Hargrove’s “voice and picture.”  After the video was shown once to the members of the media, Aiello suggested that the media pay attention to Hargrove winking and smiling after hearing that Favre broke his leg.  White later claims that Hargrove “smiles and winks and states, ‘Bobby, pay me my money.’”
 
Varney asks White, “How do you know it’s Hargrove’s voice?”
 
White, perhaps not recognizing in that moment the ironic link to a very common lawyer joke, says, “Because you can see his lips moving.”
 
But here’s the problem, and I didn’t notice this the first time I saw the video. 

When Hargrove’s lips can be seen moving, his voice can’t be heard.
 
Only after Hargrove’s face is fully obscured by the head and shoulders of defensive tackle Remi Ayodele are the words “give me my money” audible.
 
No one has questioned this because the media present at the session was told — and in turn told the rest of us — that Hargrove said, “Bobby, give me my money.”  Even Peter King, who seemed curious and a bit skeptical in the transcript, affirmatively stated twice in his article following the media session that Hargrove said what the NFL claims he said.
 
Watch the video.  At most, Hargrove is the one who says “Bobby.”  By the time “give me my money” comes out, Hargrove’s mouth and face and head are obscured by Ayodele.
 
Also, don’t forget that Hargrove didn’t apply the hit that resulted in Favre possibly having a broken leg.  Instead, Favre had been hit low by McCray and high by Ayodele.  So why would Hargrove be asking for any money at all?
 
None of this changes the fact that, barring evidence that the phrase was added artificially after the fact (I’m not saying it was . . . yet), someone said “give me my money.”  Which supports the conclusion that there was a bounty on Favre.
 
But I don’t believe the video shown by the league to the media shows that Hargrove said it.  And I can’t believe that the NFL presumes conclusively that he said it.  And I can’t believe the NFL sold it as fact to the media.  And I can’t believe the media swallowed the hook.
 
And I can’t believe I didn’t pay close enough attention to figure it out before today.
 
And given Hargrove’s passionate denial that it’s his voice, I believe him.
 
This serious flaw in the presentation of the evidence necessarily undermines the league’s entire investigation, further reinforcing the importance of asking tough questions about the proof, the process, and all other aspects of the case.  Regardless of whether the players are guilty or innocent, the NFL has peddled to the public, via the media, a stream of inconsistencies, mischaracterizations, and embellishments that raise legitimate concerns about the competence and/or the motives of everyone whose fingerprints are on the file.
 
UPDATE 8:44 p.m. ET:  A prior version of this item explained that, when Hargrove’s lips are moving, his words aren’t audible.  I’ve studied the video several more times, and it now appears to me that Hargrove is the one who says, “Bobby.”  However, by the time “give me my money” is uttered, Hargrove’s face and head and mouth are obscured.  Thus, the video doesn’t prove who said it.  It could have been Hargrove.  It could have been Ayodele.  (It would make more sense if the league were claiming it was Ayodele, since he hit Favre high when “Bobby” hit Favre low.)  It also could have been someone outside of view of the camera, talking about something completely unrelated to Favre’s apparently injury.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 21, 2012, 07:08:43 am
Really tired of the bounty thing already. 

And Drew Brees can go away anytime now, too.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 21, 2012, 08:26:00 am
Ditto.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on June 21, 2012, 10:50:04 am
But... But... Brett Favre... poor poor Brett Favre
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on June 21, 2012, 12:36:50 pm
speaking of which...

Who is he going to be playing with next year?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 21, 2012, 02:54:23 pm
NO of course.  Brees refuses to sign anything, Ol' # 4 comes chugging over from Hattiesburg (a hop, skip, and a jump really) on one of his many, many tractors and plays for the team that beat the snot out of him for some extra spending money.  It all fits.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on June 21, 2012, 04:39:28 pm
He wont play for peanuts.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on June 21, 2012, 07:00:07 pm
That would be kinda funny. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 22, 2012, 01:52:09 am

 Halas Hall doesnt need the room to budge ...

 FORTE is offered 7.7 million ...

 we know he wants more ...

 will FORTE be in traning camp ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on July 07, 2012, 01:23:33 pm
Trying to take down AP ain't easy...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/19526244/adrian-peterson-arrested-for-resisting-arrest-in-houston

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 10, 2012, 02:56:46 pm

NFC North


Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images


There's something to be said for time in football rivalries. When it's a rivalry that it is relevant now as it was when your grandpa was young, then it has stood the test of time.

Although this is referring to the NFL's longest rivalry between the Green Bay Packers and the Chicago Bears with 80 years and counting, it can also refer to the NFC North. This is the grandaddy division of the NFL, and that's not just because Brett Farve last played for the Minnesota Vikings. Based on the combined ages of its four teams, the NFC North would be 316 years old.

Three of the four teams have been around since the 1920's, while the Vikings are by no means young either, being founded in 1961. Like the AFC North, this division is a black and blue one where the teams mercilessly beat on each other no matter what. However, I think that NFC North fans would agree with me that the more appropriate name would be the Frostbite Division.

All four teams play relatively close to each other in the Northern Midwest of the United States. Green Bay and Chicago play in outdoor stadiums, which have resulted in many of the coldest games in NFL history. Even with Detroit and Minnesota playing their games indoors, it can be hard simply walking to the stadium in the brutal Michigan and Minnesota winters.

It should be no surprise that Bears-Packers comes in as the top historical rivalry here. This one has everything from legendary coaches on both sidelines to a combined 22 championships between the teams to 48 combined Hall of Fame players.

The all-time lead goes to the Bears 92-86-6. The Packers though have been chipping away at the lead, with wins in six of their last seven against the Bears, including the NFC Championship in 2010. While the Bears have eight pre-Super Bowl era championships, it irritates their fans to no end that the Packers have four Super Bowl titles to the Bears' one.

This is also the rare instance, where it's fair to say that history is just as good as the present. The Bears-Packers rivalry is also the top NFC North rivalry today as both teams have dominated the NFC North the last 10 years.

While it's true that the Vikings won two divisional titles in this timespan, other than that, they have ranged from unimpressive to awful. The Detroit Lions, even with their recent resurgence, are still the Lions. The Bears and Packers are the teams to beat in the NFC North, and their two regular season games remain among the most anticipated of next season.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 31, 2012, 05:30:50 pm
Good news!  Packers kept WR Jarrett Boykin (Rookie 6-2, 217).  Unfortuately that meant cutting WRs Borel and Gurley. 

They wil play for some team this seaso.  Mark it on the wall.

GB went mostly with all the young guys, again.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 03, 2012, 09:00:49 pm
Good news!  Packers kept WR Jarrett Boykin (Rookie 6-2, 217).  Unfortuately that meant cutting WRs Borel and Gurley. 

They wil play for some team this seaso.  Mark it on the wall.

GB went mostly with all the young guys, again.

Packy,

 You think the Packers are going 15 -1 again?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 04, 2012, 09:04:42 pm
No.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 04, 2012, 09:22:10 pm

 At least you are an honest poster ...  ;)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 07, 2012, 09:08:06 pm

 I'm going all out and say the NFC NORF ... will go undefeated in week one.  ???

 4-0 across the division.  ;D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 08, 2012, 03:33:28 pm
In week one, the Packers have the stiffest test of any NFC North team, taking on the San Francisco 49ers at Lambeau. But just what should we expect from the other teams around the division? Here's a quick preview of each of the division rivals' games.
 
Indianapolis Colts @ Chicago Bears (-10), 12:00 PM Central, CBS
 
Andrew Luck gets his first real taste of the NFL against the Bears' strong but aging defense. It will also be our first chance to see if Chicago's improved receiving corps gels with Jay Cutler, as the Colts' pass defense is less than stellar (31st in the NFL last year in passer rating allowed). The ten-point spread is the second-largest of any game this weekend, behind only the Texans who are favored by 12 at home against the Dolphins.
 
St. Louis Rams @ Detroit Lions (-7.5), 12:00 PM Central, FOX
 
This will be another battle of a very good passing offense against a middle of the pack defense. I'm confident that Matthew Stafford, Calvin Johnson, and their associates will be able to carve up the Rams. What I'm curious about is whether Sam Bradford can do the same against the Lions' defense, who will likely be missing a starting safety in Louis Delmas and a starting corner in Chris Houston.
 
Jacksonville Jaguars @ Minnesota Vikings (-3.5), 12 PM Central, CBS
 
This game pits two teams projected to finish near the bottom of the league on week one. Both second-year quarterbacks left much to be desired in their rookie seasons, but Christian Ponder did develop some chemistry with Percy Harvin in the second half. Adrian Peterson isn't 100% and Maurice Jones-Drew is still getting up to speed after his holdout, so the running games will see a heavy dose of Toby Gerhart and Rashad Jennings, respectively. The Vikings have a brutal second half this season, so they'll need to take advantage of every winnable game early on their schedule.
 
All three of us (me, Kevin, and Devin) picked the Bears and Lions to win their games this week. Kevin and I took the Vikings, while Devin has the Jaguars coming out on top.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearFan on September 09, 2012, 04:45:18 pm
ROTFLMAO!!!   Apparently replacement refs don't understand that the Puke are the anointed ones.  8 penalties through 2-min warning of first half.   Fans not happy, the Beav having hissy fits...love it!!!


The only downside is that the Puke will complain to the league tomorrow and Thursday they won't call jack on the Puke agin Da Bearssss!!!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearFan on September 09, 2012, 05:03:18 pm
Niners kick a 63 yd fg before the half.....david akers you are ree-diculous!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 09, 2012, 05:22:10 pm
You are correct.  The Packers are crying like crazy because the correct calls are being made against them.  Must suck to have PI and holding called on you when you have not experienced that for years...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearFan on September 09, 2012, 05:41:07 pm
You are correct.  The Packers are crying like crazy because the correct calls are being made against them.  Must suck to have PI and holding called on you when you have not experienced that for years...

I kinda like these replacement refs so far...no blatantly bad calls and clearly no favoritism....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 09, 2012, 06:03:06 pm
Was thinking the exact same thing. GB isn't getting the stupid ticky tack calls that always go their way and they're getting their butts handed to em, lol......fun to watch!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on September 09, 2012, 06:16:51 pm
I dont know, that unsportsman like conduct call when the DE got kicked in the helmet by Rodgers then he took his helmet off....15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct....really??
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 09, 2012, 06:18:36 pm
Apparently the league called in and told the replacement refs the Packers get all the calls.  Cause now they are getting all the calls again like normal. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearFan on September 09, 2012, 06:24:46 pm
Apparently the league called in and told the replacement refs the Packers get all the calls.  Cause now they are getting all the calls again like normal. 

I think you're right ... but at least SF came right back with a pick and a six!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on September 09, 2012, 06:26:44 pm
be interesting to see if the league settles next week. I really think thery're pretty impartial.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 09, 2012, 06:53:47 pm
Packers lose at home.  They will be crying like little bitches at the league for actually being called for the penaltys they commit.

Thursday will be a dog fight!  I hope the refs do not decide it.  When the Packer DB's try and mug Bm they will bounce off.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 09, 2012, 07:08:10 pm
Packers will be p*ssed Thursday night and out for blood in primetime. Bears OTOH may be a bit overconfident and if Tillman cant go that's huge.

Bears better strap it on and I hope our O is in sync from the get-go.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 09, 2012, 07:20:03 pm
I think you are biased  about the officiating.  The announcres, who know something  about the game, called the officiating bad on both sides of the ball.  If yiou are honest about it, both teams got hosed numerous times.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 09, 2012, 07:52:31 pm
I think you are biased  about the officiating.  The announcres, who know something  about the game, called the officiating bad on both sides of the ball.  If yiou are honest about it, both teams got hosed numerous times.

Yep.  These refs are just as good as the regular bunch.  I hope they just let the others go back to their regular jobs....

I think these new refs are doing fine, it wasn't like we never complained about the regs last year.  game on.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 09, 2012, 07:55:04 pm
Packers will be p*ssed Thursday night and out for blood in primetime. Bears OTOH may be a bit overconfident and if Tillman cant go that's huge.

Bears better strap it on and I hope our O is in sync from the get-go.

I think the Pack was out of sync and the 49ers D was laying the wood. 

I don't see the same d scheme on Thursday, but I think our o is much more potent.  Should be fun...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 09, 2012, 07:58:53 pm
There were some bad calls and non calls, guys jumping offsides and not getting dinged for it. The ones I'm referring to are the constant ticky tack ones that the GB recievers get all the time. They were getting up on almost every reception waving their arms complaining. Didn't go their way like it always does this game. They were letting them play on both sides which I thought was great.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 09, 2012, 08:02:34 pm
Nelson got thumped on the 2 point conversion.  Dammmm
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: stelz on September 09, 2012, 10:44:13 pm
Packers have ALWAYS gotten the calls.  DB's breathe on the Pack receivers and it's pass interferience.  Meanwhile Packer DB's mug receivers and the refs "let them play"

Today the two worst calls I saw both went against SF, the helmet off unsportman and especially the refs picking up the block in the back call on the punt return.  It was blatant and the guy never scores without it.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 09, 2012, 11:00:54 pm

 I predicted an NFC NORF sweep in week one ... I was wrong.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 Thank you Packers for fuuucking up my prediction.  :(
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 10, 2012, 08:46:50 pm
Packers have ALWAYS gotten the calls.  DB's breathe on the Pack receivers and it's pass interferience.  Meanwhile Packer DB's mug receivers and the refs "let them play"

Today the two worst calls I saw both went against SF, the helmet off unsportman and especially the refs picking up the block in the back call on the punt return.  It was blatant and the guy never scores without it.



How about the play where the Niner grabbed Jones' shirt and twisted him around and shoved him in the EZ?  TD for sure. Another glaring error was the Niner jumping off side way before the snap and when the packer players relaxed they completrd an 11 yard pass on third down.  Everyone except the officials noticed that.  The game was just poorly officiated..
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 16, 2012, 11:04:23 pm
 The 2-0 team in the NFC NORF is ...

 It's anybodys division.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 17, 2012, 10:10:06 am
If you dig behind the 1-1 records though...

- Packers:  Lost to Niners, Beat Bears. 1-0 in division, 1-1 in conference, head to head tiebreaker advantage over Bears
- Lions:  Beat Rams, lost to Niners. 0-0 in division, 1-1 in conference
- Bears:  Beat Colts, lost to Pack.  0-1 in division, 0-1 in conference, head to head tiebreaker loss against Pack
- Minnesota:  Beat Jaguars, lost to Colts.  0-0 in division, 0-0 in conference

So right now, the Bears are actually in a worse position than the Vikings. Beating the Colts didn't help the Bears nearly as much as the loss to the Pack hurts them. Meanwhile, the Vikings haven't done anything to hurt themselves in losing to an AFC team yesterday. 

Granted the season is still early, but the Bears have some significant issues to address -- on the field and in the locker room.   
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 17, 2012, 04:57:58 pm
You know Yapper sometime your just a ray of sunshine  :D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 17, 2012, 06:42:10 pm
lol...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on September 17, 2012, 08:22:42 pm
I look at is as we are tied for first place.
The tie breakers don't really matter for a long time and usually don't matter at all...
Except for us we usually get a worse draft pick due to strength of schedule stuff.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 18, 2012, 02:31:31 am

 RAMS @ HOME

 Dont fuuuck this up.

 Being a BEARS fan is like getting knocked down when your teeth are kicked in ...

 but you drew the .32 acp in your pocket and drilled his forhead.

 It was the small gun in your pocket that he never knew you had.

 Devin Hester
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 18, 2012, 08:33:01 am
Good point Jackie.

Hester is off to a horrible start this season...  pretty much stealing paychecks at this point. 

Sunday would be a great time for him to get his mojo back.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 28, 2012, 10:06:54 pm

 FIRST PLACE ... for one week.

 Glad its the Saints and not us going against them @ GB.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 29, 2012, 08:31:10 am
Home field used to be a huge advantage up there. A little blip up there is good. I was shocked the 9ers won up there
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 30, 2012, 03:07:43 pm
You are right, wishfl.  The home field is not what it once was for GB.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 30, 2012, 10:51:03 pm

 Saints put on a show ... but lost at Lambeau.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 01, 2012, 05:32:40 am
Can you imagine had this been the replacement refs?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-packers-survive-missed-call-to-win-2827-20120930,0,123467.story
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on October 01, 2012, 05:46:21 am
Notice how they have to keep relying on fake punt BS to keep drives going? Teams are going to start keying on that nonsense and the losses will start coming....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: ATUMRE75 on October 01, 2012, 06:23:43 am
Cowboys on deck tonight :)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 01, 2012, 07:56:18 am
Vikings in the NFC-N lead...  who 'da thunk it?

Hope the Bears can keep pace tonight but I don't have a good feeling about it.  The Bears do not play well in primetime games on the road and the Cowboys have enough firepower to put it to ya if you don't bring your best game against them.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on October 01, 2012, 09:19:06 am

On paper the Cowboys certainly do have the weapons on offense.  But they've only scored 47 points in 3 games.  They looked good in the opener against the Giants but its been downhill since.

Bears offense has sputtered too but the team has scored 74 points (minus 7 for the Wright defensive TD).
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 01, 2012, 09:32:25 am
True, however 41 of those points were in the first game which means in the last two games the Bears offense has averaged only 13 pts a game.

(74 minus 41 minus the defensive 7 = 26 / 2)

Even with the defense playing as well as it has been, we need more from Cutler & Co. than that.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 01, 2012, 11:02:12 am
...Even with the regular officials back, the Packers were on the short end of another questionable call after being robbed of a win on a botched call by the replacement referees Monday night. It didn't cost them, however, because Garrett Hartley missed a 48-yard field goal after a holding penalty wiped out his go-ahead, 43-yarder.

The questionable call came after Rodgers' go-ahead, 11-touchdown pass to Nelson with seven minutes to play. Replays clearly showed that Darren Sproles fumbled the ensuing kickoff and Green Bay appeared to recover. The officials ruled Sproles was down by contact, but Green Bay was out of challenges...

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on October 01, 2012, 11:22:13 am
...Even with the regular officials back, the Packers were on the short end of another questionable call after being robbed of a win on a botched call by the replacement referees Monday night. It didn't cost them, however, because Garrett Hartley missed a 48-yard field goal after a holding penalty wiped out his go-ahead, 43-yarder.

The questionable call came after Rodgers' go-ahead, 11-touchdown pass to Nelson with seven minutes to play. Replays clearly showed that Darren Sproles fumbled the ensuing kickoff and Green Bay appeared to recover. The officials ruled Sproles was down by contact, but Green Bay was out of challenges...



It's not the officials fault that McCarthy ran out of challenges. He made a stupid challenge early in the game.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on October 01, 2012, 11:33:06 am
Vikings in the NFC-N lead...  who 'da thunk it?

The Bears do not play well in primetime games on the road and the Cowboys have enough firepower to put it to ya if you don't bring your best game against them.

Last year didn't the Bears beat the Eagles on the road on a Monday night?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 01, 2012, 11:47:37 am
Last year didn't the Bears beat the Eagles on the road on a Monday night?

That's correct, and of course there was also the win we notched against the Vikings at Minnesota (where Wootten ended Favre's career).

It's just that when we play bad in primetime, we play really really bad. So maybe the primetime losses stick in my mind more than the wins. In any event, I don't trust this team when they're playing on the big stage just yet. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on October 01, 2012, 04:09:02 pm
Isn't Lovie something like 7-2 in Monday night games? I thought I heard that stat somewhere but could be mistaken.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 01, 2012, 06:36:01 pm
It's not the officials fault that McCarthy ran out of challenges. He made a stupid challenge early in the game.

Yeah, McCarthy challenged a pass that hit the ground.  The official went under his little tepee and called it a completed pass for NO, anyway.  Sometimes even a challenge doesn't create justice.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 01, 2012, 06:39:37 pm
I think he is talking about the first one where everyone knew it was a wasted challenge.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on October 01, 2012, 06:40:32 pm
There were some calls that didnt go for the Pack like normal, I wonder if the refs were kind of like no more complaining like after the last game.  Just saying.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on October 01, 2012, 06:42:35 pm
I think he is talking about the first one where everyone knew it was a wasted challenge.

exactly...the announcers were scratching their heads trying to figure out why McCarthy challenged it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 01, 2012, 06:49:09 pm
The fans chanting, "the refs still suck" will not win the Packers any brownie points from the refs going forward either.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 01, 2012, 11:22:47 pm
Cowboys on deck tonight :)

 And off deck tonight ATUMRE75.  :D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 02, 2012, 07:17:23 pm
I think he is talking about the first one where everyone knew it was a wasted challenge.

I agree that was a bad decision by McCarthey but the way things are going there is  is no assurance that the officials would have gotten it right if McCarthey could have challenged. Maybe some strange smoke in that tepee. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 08, 2012, 09:01:19 am
Still can't believe the Vikings are on top of this division.

They are for real though, and the Bears had better be ready to strap it on in a few weeks against them.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on October 08, 2012, 10:30:29 am
Yeah they beat the "mighty" Titans but they also beat the 29ers.   For some strange reason I'm not worried about the Vikes.  I think we could slap 30+ on them and the defense can wreak havoc on their offense.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 08, 2012, 10:34:08 am
30 on the Vikings...  maybe if our D gets a TD and our STs get another.  Vikings D is tough.  Their CBs are big and physical, and Jared Allen tends to have big games against Webb.

As far as their offense, Ponder is one fast mofo on the run and he rarely throws an easy pick (his 2 INTs yesterday notwithstanding).  Back in the day we could just run Urlacher as a spy on guys like that but with his speed gone we're gonna have to come up with a different tactic this year.  And Harvin and Rudolph present a pretty potent inside / outside combo in the receiving game. The ex-Bear Aromashadu has been doing some nice things in their offense as well.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on October 08, 2012, 10:46:02 am
Not talking about our "D" getting a TD.  I'm talking about our offense putting 30+ on the vikes.  I do have faith in Cutler and crew if they come prepared to play.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 08, 2012, 10:51:48 am
Bears blew out the Vikings 39-10 in the first game last year, and then limped to a 17-13 win in the season ending rematch where Urlacher got hurt and Josh McNown was the QB.  In the first game Cutler had one of his best performances of the season with 2 TDs, no INTs and a 115 rating.

So we shall see.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on October 08, 2012, 10:54:50 am
Don't base last season's games with this year.  I'm sure the Packers of LAST YEAR would've blown out THIS YEAR'S Colts.  But that was LAST YEAR!

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 08, 2012, 10:59:58 am
Exactly... and the Vikings of this year are clearly better than the Vikings last year.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on October 08, 2012, 11:01:45 am
I feel defensively they are better than last year but their offense is still a work in progress.  Our defense should be able to handle their offense and I still feel our offense can put up 30 or more on them.

Just my opinion.  We'll see in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 08, 2012, 11:02:42 am
I do know that based on our recent history I'd much rather be fighting the Vikings for the lead than the Packers.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2012, 02:14:12 pm
HUGE break for the Lions.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/14/clay-matthews-ruled-out-for-sunday/

Still don't think the Lions can win but this gives Stafford at least a fighting chance.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 14, 2012, 02:26:02 pm
That's a huge break for us, too, Yapp. We need GB to lose again here, and this weekend would be the ideal time for it. Especially with us probably going to lose another one if Cut don't play.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2012, 02:28:44 pm
Yeah...  ideally you'd want Matthews out for when we play them.  But I'll take this, too.

There's also talk the Lions may be down Cliff Avril, which would equalize things to some degree on that side of the ball.

That all being said, I still see Rodgers shredding that Lions secondary and the Pack winning pretty handily.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 19, 2012, 04:26:05 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/19/lions-send-titus-young-home-for-a-week-for-bad-behavior/

hahahahahaha

Lions are already down Nate Burleson, and their TEs are spotty at best as reliable pass catchers.  Which all means that if the Texans can shut down Megatron then Stafford may have a pretty rough go of it on Turkey Day.

I assume this also means the punk loses a game check.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 20, 2012, 01:52:49 am

 I'd LOVE to see the Lions shut down the Texans on Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on November 20, 2012, 07:49:37 am
I dont think so, but at least I expect they'll score more than 7 points
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 20, 2012, 08:19:42 am
Suddenly this coming Sunday's game with the Vikings takes on all kinds of meaning.

Lose to them and we're both at 7-4 which would effectively drop us to 3rd in the division with a 1-2 division record.

If that doesn't motivate this organization from top to bottom to circle the wagons and get things fixed, then there really is no hope for them.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 20, 2012, 08:40:17 am
FWIW I watched Riley Reiff step in at LT when Backus went down for the Lions on Sunday, and he had no problems at all.

The difference in caliber between what I saw Reiff do at LT and how Webb/Carimi played last night was stunning.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on November 20, 2012, 01:32:09 pm

Reiff did not look that good...and he wasn't blocking Matthews - instead he got another rookie I have never heard of called Moses..who had a sack and a FF.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on November 20, 2012, 04:02:28 pm
Wonder if  beerbelly will be in to tell us the bears are the best team in the division?

I don't think so either.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 20, 2012, 06:32:36 pm
Dezman Moses was one of the surprise rookies of this draft.  Look for him to take over a starter spot at LB spot before the season is over, along with CB Casey Heyward ( 5 ints) and S Jerron McMillian.  Davon House has aleready won the other CB or Nickel Back spot.  I mentioned them before.  By the end of the season they should improve even more.

Thompson hit gold this draft.

DT Mike Daniels is moving up, too.  WR Jarrett Boykin (6-2, 217)  should be ready next season to break out.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 17, 2012, 09:02:26 am
Gotta say this...  if the Vikings somehow make the playoffs and the Bears don't, that hit that Jared Allen put on Lance Louis could literally have been the biggest play of both teams' seasons.

Louis was the only competent O-Lineman the Bears have, and the Bears OL was hanging by a thread even while he was in there.  Now that he's gone that unit has completely fallen apart.  They have been without question the worst OL in the league for the past 3 games and the resulting losses by the Bears have opened the door for the Vikings even though it will be an incredibly tough road for them to get in.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on December 17, 2012, 01:59:08 pm
Beerbelly


First the NFC Championship game then the NFC Division Championship lost on the sod at soldiersfield.

Enjoy
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 19, 2012, 09:27:48 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/19/dominic-raiola-accused-of-not-paying-child-support/

This dude is the Lions' Olin Kreutz...  an undersized hot-head who was a pretty good player in his day but has stayed on their roster a couple of years too long already.  If the Lions are smart they'll let him go after this season. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 23, 2012, 12:44:46 am

 Whats a good beer to drink in the playoffs ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on December 23, 2012, 12:55:04 am
Try a bottle of Sol with a wedge of lime.  It is pretty good.

It is a Mexican beer I had at a local Mexican restuarant that has excellent food.  The waiter suggested it and I thought it was excellent.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on December 23, 2012, 10:11:15 pm
Only fags drink beer with a lime in it.

But then again, any respecting beer drinker doesn't go to El Charro to drink.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on December 23, 2012, 10:13:06 pm
fags otto?  rather politically incorrect don't you think?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 23, 2012, 10:17:19 pm
Thought he was "Pro-gay marriage".... or is it "Pro-Fag marriage"....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on December 23, 2012, 10:19:50 pm
Ya, maybe your right. Peke is probably a metrosexual.

Peke

I hope you didn't run your eyeliner...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on December 23, 2012, 10:21:41 pm
I thought liberals loved the gays?

I drink beer when I eat out in the afternoon.  It does not matter what restaurant I am eating at.

I am about as far from being metrosexual as you can get.  I don't even own a pair of mittens.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 23, 2012, 10:24:38 pm
Libbies are all about the gays....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on December 23, 2012, 10:27:03 pm
Hey don't try to man up limey.

You have beer wussy splattered all over you. Just keep putting that lime in the bud light honey...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 23, 2012, 10:31:31 pm
He called you 'honey'.....Otts coming out??
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on December 23, 2012, 10:36:30 pm
Yup I am guilty.  When the Mexican restaurant gave me a beer with lime in it I drank it.

Sorry that bothers you mittens.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on December 23, 2012, 11:13:48 pm
Only fags drink beer with a lime in it.

But then again, any respecting beer drinker doesn't go to El Charro to drink.

LOL!!!!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 24, 2012, 12:28:10 am

 Whens the last time we seen the NFC NORF shape up like this ?

 You have two games with everything on the line among 3 of 4 teams for playoff possibilitys.

 You know who KNOWS they are calling the shots ? DEEEEETROIT.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on December 26, 2012, 12:02:41 pm
Pu55ies drink beer with coozies in the winter time while wearing mittens.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on December 26, 2012, 12:03:35 pm
Like beerfan and ACL?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on December 26, 2012, 12:05:51 pm
That was Otto in that picture with ACL...not beerfan and Otto was the only one wearing mittens.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on December 26, 2012, 12:07:04 pm
That was otter and ACL.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/wmljohn/random/00371884.jpg)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on December 26, 2012, 12:08:51 pm
I forgot about the yuppie ear muffs
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on December 26, 2012, 12:09:47 pm
Never realized how much Otto looks like Bob Beckel
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on December 26, 2012, 12:11:05 pm
I could've sworn that was a pic of beerfan and ACL meeting at a game on this pic.  I thought I remembered beerfan saying that was him with the beer in his hand.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on December 26, 2012, 12:31:37 pm
ACL and BEERFAN met up at a restaraunt in Chicago.  He was a shorter guy with glasses on I think.  There was a picture of them posted as well.  This was otter.  Why would BEERFAN go to a Peckers game?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on December 26, 2012, 12:47:01 pm
I thought he lost a bet or something and had to pay up by meeting up with ACL in Sheepbeau.   I could be mistaken. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on December 26, 2012, 01:02:26 pm
It was a bet and I think ACL lost it and had to buy him a dinner.  He chose a pork chop place in Chicago or something.  They took a picture outside in the parking lot with the sign behind them.  I think ACL said he had to stand in the gutter and BEERFAN was standing on the curb or something like that.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on December 26, 2012, 02:59:57 pm
That's it...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on December 27, 2012, 10:03:21 am
It was a bet and I think ACL lost it and had to buy him a dinner.  He chose a pork chop place in Chicago or something.  They took a picture outside in the parking lot with the sign behind them.  I think ACL said he had to stand in the gutter and BEERFAN was standing on the curb or something like that.

Okay.  I stand corrected.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on December 27, 2012, 10:10:08 am
Now apologize to beerfan for accusing him of wearing those sissy mittens ;)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2012, 11:07:38 am
I never could figure out if it was so cold you needed mittens why the beer huggy? 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on December 27, 2012, 11:11:56 am
It was probably a Blue Moon or other sissified beer and was ashamed to be seen at lamblow drinking it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2012, 11:15:07 am
It was probably a Zima...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 27, 2012, 11:16:04 am
I never could figure out if it was so cold you needed mittens why the beer huggy? 

For grip.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on December 27, 2012, 11:40:58 am
It was probably a Zima...

Rimshot....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on December 27, 2012, 12:49:25 pm
Please note the leftover aluminum strip around the neck of the bottle.  That leads me to believe it was some kind of wine cooler with one of those screw off tops and that is the left over safety seal for the cap.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/wmljohn/random/00371884.jpg)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on December 27, 2012, 03:18:11 pm
And for all the posters here who did not have the guts to meet ACL it was your loss. He was a funny guy and one of the good souls on Earth.


For the record the beer in question was an Uff-Da Bock from New Glarus Brewery.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on December 27, 2012, 03:28:34 pm
Thirdly, we are fans of a team that has FOUR SUPERBOWL WINS which does make us superior.

And the fact that he found beerfan to be an uptight ****.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on December 27, 2012, 03:32:17 pm
Bock beer...the kind of beer your never even think about limes...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 27, 2012, 10:10:30 pm

 Otto,

 What happened to Z-Buds ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on December 27, 2012, 10:11:53 pm
I think it is back.  I clicked the old link a few days ago and it came up with new posts.   Been dead for ages though.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 27, 2012, 10:21:59 pm
I think it is back.  I clicked the old link a few days ago and it came up with new posts.   Been dead for ages though.

 Yeah it looks like its back up, I just logged on.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 27, 2012, 10:30:40 pm

 I just posted at Z-Buds.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on December 28, 2012, 05:58:43 am
Otter - You still never explained the coozie on such a cold day that you had to wear mittens.

BTW - That coozie looks like it might be Cubbie blue.  Certainly not Brewer blue or green and puke yellow.  Is that a Cubs coozie?  You made sure not to show the logo.

And we all loved ACL even if he was a fan of the Pecker.  I tried to get him to stop by Spotsylvania a couple of times when he was riding the blue ridge trails and going to VA Beach and Wasington DC.  Unfortunatly we never were able to connect.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on December 28, 2012, 07:52:13 am
Maybe it was so cold that Otto was afraid his beer would freeze.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 28, 2012, 08:05:46 am
Still miss AC.....good guy.....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on December 28, 2012, 09:49:32 am
yes, ACL was a real class act. We could use a few more of those guys around. His biggest flaw was liking the Packers.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 28, 2012, 11:22:05 am
I've kept some of the emails he sent me, quite a few actually. Every now and then I'll read em again. He left way too soon......
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on December 28, 2012, 12:23:06 pm
Can't believe I'm rooting for the Slackers Sunday but GO GREEN BAY!!!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on December 28, 2012, 02:01:07 pm
I can believe it. You want the Bears in the playoffs and Lovie to keep his job. Thus you'd sell your sole to the devil and root for the Pack. No shock here! Fully understood.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on December 28, 2012, 02:04:46 pm
I plan to take a shower after that game.  I already feel dirty thinking about it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on December 28, 2012, 02:10:32 pm
I see a frozen lake outside in front of me. That'll wake you up in a hurry
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 28, 2012, 02:36:07 pm
Anyone who thinks the Vikings have no chance against the Pack needs to realize something.

The Vikings beat two teams this season who completely throttled the Bears.  Those being, the Niners and the Texans. And not only did the Vikings win those games, they looked damn good in both of them.  On top of which, the Vikings were well on their way to beating the Packers at Lambeau a few weeks ago before things fell apart on them in the 2nd half.  If you hear people saying the Vikings "deserve" a playoff spot more than the Bears, that's why.

If the stars align for the Vikings at the Dome this Sunday, a win for the Packers is anything but a gimme.  Just sayin.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 28, 2012, 02:48:38 pm
I'm a Bears fan.  My brother's a Vikings fan.

Sunday is family Christmas at my dad's.  My brother and I are both gonna be there watching the Pack/Vikings game and if the Bears have already won that could get pretty interesting.   ;D

OTOH if the Bears lose then I'll be going Vikings all the way.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on December 28, 2012, 02:50:31 pm
If that hillbilly Jarred Allen scrambles Rogers brain and he has to come out, the Vikes might just have an easy time beating the Pack.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on December 28, 2012, 03:29:40 pm
I will never root for the Packers, but I will be rooting for the Vikings to suck...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 28, 2012, 03:32:42 pm
What happens if the Bears win and the Packers/Vikings game ends in a tie?  I think that still gets the Bears in.

Stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 28, 2012, 04:04:40 pm
Here's my nightmare scenario.

Cutler gets knocked out of the game with another concussion but our D scores enough for us to win anyway. 

Packers beat the Vikings.

End result - Packers get their 1st round bye.  Bears get a rematch in San Fran with Jason Campbell at QB (again).

Maybe there's folks that would take that scenario over the Bears losing outright on Sunday and Cutler staying healthy... but I'm not one of them. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on December 28, 2012, 07:25:11 pm
Bears need to win and a minny loss or tie.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on December 28, 2012, 07:25:25 pm
Ugh, that might be the ugliest scenario of them all.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 28, 2012, 07:58:15 pm
If the Packers are not good enough to beat the Vikings they can't win the SB, anyway.  This is the start of a 3 game tounament.  Win them all or the SB is out of the question.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 28, 2012, 10:34:32 pm

 I'm wondering about the SEAHAWKS.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 29, 2012, 08:45:58 am
Seahawks are legit.  Still think we coulda/shoulda beat them but they're better than I took them for at the time.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 29, 2012, 09:07:09 am
They've drafted real well

Seahawks proving experts wrong with 2012 draft class
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There is a lot to like about the Seattle Seahawks' top decision makers.

From the non-stop energy of head coach Pete Carroll to the laid-back demeanor of general manager John Schneider, to their "fantastic collaboration" -- as former Seahawks president Tod Leiweke put it -- that at times seems more fit for a buddy comedy film than an NFL front office.

But the best thing about Carroll and Schneider? They don't give a damn what you or I or any of the so-called experts think when it comes to judging talent. Particularly not on draft weekend.

And heading into today's game in Toronto, the Seahawks are playoff contenders in no small part because Carroll and Schneider weren't afraid to go against the grain in April.

The Seahawks trust the ability of Schneider and his scouting department to evaluate talent, and they believe in Carroll and his coaching staff's ability to develop it. And that's why, eight months after Seattle's 2012 draft class was panned as one of the worst in the NFL, the Seahawks are contending for an NFC playoff spot while relying heavily on rookies, including one at the most important position in the game.

Russell Wilson, the quarterback who was too short and should have been taken in the fifth or sixth round, not the third? He's having one of the best seasons by a rookie quarterback in NFL history. Bobby Wagner, the linebacker from a small college who was athletic but something of an unknown coming out of Utah State? He's the team's leading tackler, has three interceptions, and is calling plays for one of the NFL's best defenses. And Bruce Irvin, the pass rusher who was a huge reach in the first round? He leads all NFL rookies with eight sacks, which already stands as a franchise rookie record.

And let's not forget sixth-round pick Jeremy Lane, who has been a huge contributor on special teams, and who because of injuries and a suspension is now playing meaningful snaps at cornerback. Or running back Robert Turbin, a fourth-round pick who had his first career 100-yard game last week, and who makes the prospect of playing a game without Marshawn Lynch significantly less daunting than it was last season, when the offense disappeared when Lynch was a game-day scratch because of back spasms. Or defensive end Greg Scruggs, the Seahawks' last pick who has carved out a significant role in the defensive line rotation and has two sacks. Or J.R. Sweezy, a seventh-round pick who moved from defensive tackle to guard, and is battling for a starting job despite having not played offensive line since he was a child.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 29, 2012, 09:10:00 am
Lessee...we've gotten meaningful help from....uh....well, Jeffrey has upside to him and McClellin is fast and uh...the 3rd guy is out injured but he was injured in college, too, so....the other guys are doing something, aren't they? Birds are getting help from darned near their entire draft class.....us? HA!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on December 29, 2012, 09:11:04 am
I wish we could find OL players like the Seachickens
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 29, 2012, 09:13:35 am
If this team collapses Sunday and dies a painful death, we won't be contenders again for several years, that is how messed up our drafts have been.....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 30, 2012, 06:51:08 pm
Go Vikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Destroy the 49 ers.  Way to lay down Pack..........
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on December 30, 2012, 06:57:11 pm
Pack didnt lay down. They played their butts off and got beaten.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 30, 2012, 07:00:03 pm
They played horrible defense compared to what they played this year.  You can pull for them if you want.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on December 30, 2012, 07:55:49 pm
I didnt and dont. I was rooting for the Queens
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on December 30, 2012, 08:18:09 pm
Pack 30

Vikes 16

Next week outdoor.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 31, 2012, 07:18:27 am
Oops, with the 49ers win, they get the week off and the Pack will host the Vikings.  I hope it plays out the way it did when we played Green bay with a chance to keep them out, and we didn't.  Go Vikes!
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Post by: Bears4Ever on December 31, 2012, 07:28:15 am
Packers will choose to show up next week (unlike this week) unfortunately......
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Post by: Dave23 on December 31, 2012, 08:33:07 am
Pack played to win, their defense is just awful.
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Post by: yapper on December 31, 2012, 08:38:29 am
At least now the Packers have to play one more game than they would have otherwise...  against a team that knows how to wear them down and rough them up.

Plus if I heard correctly, Matthews got hurt yesterday again.
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Post by: Sportster on December 31, 2012, 09:09:15 am
He limped off the field while flipping his hair back.....
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Post by: yapper on December 31, 2012, 09:11:17 am
Kinda feel bad Peterson didn't get the record yesterday.

If the Vikings had had one more posession it would have been in the bag.  In fact, the way AP was running and their OL was blocking, he probably would have gotten the record with the next carry. They just ran out of time.
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Post by: WshflThinking on December 31, 2012, 09:46:17 am
I was hoping for that too.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 01, 2013, 07:56:04 am
Maybe AP will get player of the week honors?  THat seemed to be our mantra this season, would love to see the Vikes go in and roll the Pack now.

I am going to be pulling for the Seahawks and Vikings from here on out. 

Interesting though, you look at the final standings.  Pack 11- 5, Vikes 10 - 6, Bears 10 - 6.  The big surprise was the Vikes and not the Lions who finished 4 - 12.  Strongest division in football, record wise...
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Post by: yapper on January 01, 2013, 10:38:13 am
Yeah...  If the Lions somehow pull it together next year we will have our hands more than full just in our division.
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Post by: packrat on January 01, 2013, 12:21:13 pm
Pack played to win, their defense is just awful.

It certainly was that game.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 02, 2013, 06:26:24 am
Maybe AP will get player of the week honors?  THat seemed to be our mantra this season, would love to see the Vikes go in and roll the Pack now.

I am going to be pulling for the Seahawks and Vikings from here on out. 

Interesting though, you look at the final standings.  Pack 11- 5, Vikes 10 - 6, Bears 10 - 6.  The big surprise was the Vikes and not the Lions who finished 4 - 12.  Strongest division in football, record wise...

 Yep ... go 10-6 in the NFC NORF and your ass is fired as a HC.

 The NFC EAST looks like punks in comparison.

 The NFC SOUTH ... The NFC WEST ... the jurys out.
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Post by: Phill23 on January 07, 2013, 11:00:17 am
Vikings new stadium.....


(http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/21stadium0929.jpg)
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Post by: BearFan on January 07, 2013, 11:03:30 am
Vikings new stadium.....


(http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/21stadium0929.jpg)

Wow, I guess they can stop calling Soldier Field a spaceship!!
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 07, 2013, 11:04:18 am
Looks like some space station on Mars
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Post by: yapper on January 07, 2013, 11:09:37 am
Ummm...  yeah.  OK.

Looks like something a big-azz flesh-eating alien would hatch out of.

But it's something the artsy types up there would dig I guess.  And at least it's not another aircraft hanger like those boxes in Indy and Houston.

It's not exactly...  masculine.  Is it?
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Post by: Keysbear on January 07, 2013, 11:10:06 am
The spider-dome?
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Post by: BearFan on January 07, 2013, 11:25:52 am
kinda looks like an "artistic" representation of snow drifts or ski moguls.  :o
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Post by: Bears4Ever on January 07, 2013, 11:28:21 am
The "still seeking first Superbowl win" dome ? :)
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Post by: Keysbear on January 07, 2013, 11:31:33 am
The more I look at it the more I kind of like it. Not nearly as ugly as Soldier field.
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Post by: yapper on January 07, 2013, 11:36:34 am
My thought is that with all that exposed glass, it is going to be ridiculously expensive to heat and cool.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 07, 2013, 12:20:05 pm
How are they gonna keep the snow drifts off of it?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 07, 2013, 12:20:39 pm
I assume the slopes are to get the snows off and not have a repeat of the roof collapse. With all that windowspace I'll betcha she'll really heat up on sunny days.  How much for this monster?
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Post by: yapper on January 07, 2013, 12:25:47 pm
They can rent out the snow-covered roof for skiing parties in the winter.

Extra revenue stream.
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Post by: 46 on January 07, 2013, 12:31:40 pm
I LIKE it!  The really good one's would make the interstate into oncoming traffic. cool!  Only open that slope between 4:30 p.m. and 7:00 p.m. Nobody gives a damn about getting to work on time, but everyone would kill to get out of work.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on January 07, 2013, 04:27:31 pm
Here's (http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/10/16/vikings-stadium-photos/) some other drawings from the winning designer complete with the Jerrytron.

What will be interesting is how they'll try to cram Queens fans into a 40,000 seat college stadium for 2 years during construction. 
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Post by: stelz on January 07, 2013, 05:03:33 pm
Can't they just build it somewhere other than the site of the Metrodome?
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 07, 2013, 06:06:46 pm
I think it very cool looking, much, much better than Soldier Field.
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Post by: packrat on January 07, 2013, 07:47:49 pm
Here's (http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/10/16/vikings-stadium-photos/) some other drawings from the winning designer complete with the Jerrytron.

What will be interesting is how they'll try to cram Queens fans into a 40,000 seat college stadium for 2 years during construction. 

Looks nice inside. 
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Post by: Sportster on January 07, 2013, 10:16:17 pm
VERY cool....I'm jealous with the spaceship crap the Bears have, even though it is a decent stadium. Just not nearly as cool as theirs....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 08, 2013, 07:38:30 am
What will be interesting is how they'll try to cram Queens fans into a 40,000 seat college stadium for 2 years during construction. 

Yeah those late season games could get interesting especially.  That will be another outdoor game for the Bears those two years.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearFan on January 08, 2013, 11:53:58 am
What will be interesting is how they'll try to cram Queens fans into a 40,000 seat college stadium for 2 years during construction. 

Yeah those late season games could get interesting especially.  That will be another outdoor game for the Bears those two years.

I wonder if the schedulers would make them road warriors in December?
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Post by: yapper on January 08, 2013, 11:58:59 am
I've heard that's the plan.  They will try to work the schedule so as to have the Vikings play as few late-season contests at TCF as possible.

Kind of a two-edged sword though especially if they're in position to make a late playoff push but wind up having to play a lot of those games on the road.  And honestly, I don't see why the Vikings should get any more help avoiding cold weather games than teams like the Packers, Bears, Steelers, Pats or Bills get.  For those 2 years they are going to be an "outdoor" team whether they like it or not.

 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 08, 2013, 01:46:34 pm
Hopefully not in December and January.
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Post by: yapper on January 08, 2013, 02:24:59 pm
At least TCF Stadium has Field Turf so you won't have those horrific playing surfaces we've seen at Soldier Field or Heinz Field late in the year (or FedEx Field last Sunday).
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 09, 2013, 01:09:35 pm

What will be interesting is how they'll try to cram Queens fans into a 40,000 seat college stadium for 2 years during construction. 

Well one way is to take a home game away from the Vikes.  They'll play the Steelers in London this year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 09, 2013, 03:11:15 pm
Been to a few of the really nice new stadiums out there. The one in Denver is real nice as is the Colts stadium. I'll go see a Vikes/whoever game in that new stadium sometime when we go up to visit Mall of America. That would be fun....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 05, 2013, 02:23:31 pm
The Lions are cleaning house.

WR Titus Young was let go yesterday, and OG Peterman and DE Vanden Bosch cut today.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 05, 2013, 02:31:59 pm
So what happens if we get bad news about Louis? Do the Bears look at Peterman?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 05, 2013, 02:39:05 pm
Peterman is really bad, especially in pass pro.

Lions fans aren't sad to see him go at all.

We would definitely be wise to cover our butts regarding Lance Louis, but he's not the guy to do it with IMO.


Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 05, 2013, 02:44:43 pm
You know they might be after that Buffalo guy too. I hope we dont get into a bidding war over him
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 05, 2013, 02:52:27 pm
I have a feeling the Lions GM will be doing handsprings to the podium if Barrett Jones falls to their 2nd round pick.

A versatile interior O-Lineman who's smart, coachable and has impeccable character.  They need some of those guys in Detroit desperately to get that culture turned around.
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Post by: dallasbear on February 05, 2013, 03:22:17 pm

We need to do our homework on Titus Young.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 05, 2013, 03:25:29 pm
NFW to Titus Young.  He is absolutely not the kind of player Trestman is looking for.

Best thing that could happen to that kid is to go unclaimed by 31 teams and wind up playing Arena ball.
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Post by: yapper on February 05, 2013, 03:51:48 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/05/rams-take-a-chance-on-titus-young/
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 05, 2013, 04:00:36 pm
The Bears definitely need a speed receiver to replace Knox.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 05, 2013, 04:10:16 pm
Titus Young really isn't that fast considering his small size.  And he is a serious head case.

We can find a guy faster than him in the 4th or 5th round and he won't bring a bunch of drama with him either.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 06, 2013, 05:22:47 am
Fisher is making his bed with the Rams, isn't he?  Janoris Jenkins, Titus Young, Cortland Finegan...  Nice combination, this should start to get interesting.  Tank Johnson and Cedric Benson may also be available
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 06, 2013, 06:58:59 am
Rams are the Bengals of the NFC.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 06, 2013, 11:57:39 pm
Fisher is making his bed with the Rams, isn't he?  Janoris Jenkins, Titus Young, Cortland Finegan...  Nice combination, this should start to get interesting.  Tank Johnson and Cedric Benson may also be available

 Fisher could have been handed a check from the Rams front office for $0.00 dollars.

 Go get us some players Jeff !

Rams are the Bengals of the NFC.

 Actually the Bengals had money to spend. Anyone know the Rams cap space ?

 Bradshaw as the last of the overpaids is sucking up a ton of money.

 50 mil guaranteed ? Thats got to be cutting in to their ability to sign quality talent.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 07, 2013, 06:23:34 am
I'd rather have 10 Corey Grahams and Bobby Engrams, than what they are putting together.  Pacman is available...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 07, 2013, 07:52:18 am
And the Honey Badger in the draft...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 07, 2013, 08:16:05 pm
I'd rather have 10 Corey Grahams and Bobby Engrams, than what they are putting together.  Pacman is available...

 We passed on Pacman for a reason ... Cedric Benson. Meanwhile Honey Bear ...

 
And the Honey Badger in the draft...

 Here we go again ...

 MOBILE, ALA. —

 Cornerback Tyrann Mathieu had one of the coolest nicknames in sports while at LSU — the “Honey Badger,” which is classified as an animal that “has few natural predators because of its thick skin and ferocious defensive abilities.”

 But the “Honey Badger” couldn’t stay out of trouble at LSU. He failed too many drug tests and got kicked off the team in August despite his electric talent. Two months later, he and three former teammates were arrested on charges of marijuana possession.

 Now, hoping to convince NFL teams that he has learned from his mistakes and that he’s worth the risk, the man with the golden-blonde Mohawk at the Senior Bowl wants it known:

 “I’m not the Honey Badger right now,” said Mathieu, who isn’t playing in the all-star game but is on hand to speak with NFL officials and the media. “My career at LSU, being the Honey Badger, it just kind of came to an abrupt end. I’ll be the Honey Badger again, and I want to do it the right way this time.”

 Mathieu, who turns 21 in May, isn’t hiding from his past this week in Mobile as he looks for a fresh start. He attended practices Monday and Tuesday, admitting to past mistakes with anyone who wanted to listen.

 “It was tough, but I think it’s something I had to go through and something that made me stronger,” Mathieu said of his recent troubles. “I think it’s something that, looking forward, is going to further my success, because from this point on I can probably make wiser decisions.”

 And NFL teams are listening to Mathieu, too. A source close to Mathieu said he has talked formally and informally with about 20 teams this week at the Senior Bowl, including the Dolphins — who sent their entire scouting department to interview him Monday night.

 Despite his past troubles, the Dolphins certainly could use a player with Mathieu’s dynamic abilities. They need depth at cornerback — especially if free agent Sean Smith signs elsewhere — and could use a playmaker on defense and special teams. As a true sophomore in 2011, the diminutive Mathieu (5-feet-9, 180 pounds) was a consensus All-American, scoring two touchdowns on defense and two more on punt returns.

 And his biggest character risk appears to be an affinity for recreational drugs — not necessarily a major red flag — for which he said he is receiving counseling.

 “He’s not a bad kid,” former NFL scout Russ Lande said. “He’s got some issues, but he’s not a thug who’s going to beat anybody up. He just has some issues with some drugs, and, hey, a lot of NFL guys have that problem.”

 Mathieu was likely to be a second- or third-round pick in April’s draft — his small stature is a negative, and he’s projected only as a slot cornerback — but now he’s likely to drop to the bottom rounds of the draft, although many experts believe some team will take a shot.

 “I’d be stunned if he isn’t drafted,” said CBS Sports draft expert Rob Rang. “The teams are really going to have to dig in with his background and make sure they’re comfortable with that one.

 “But the NFL loves playmakers, and there isn’t a bigger playmaker in this year’s draft than Tyrann Mathieu.”

 Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland said he will investigate Mathieu with an open mind.

 “You’re going to gather the information. You’re going to talk to the young man, and you’re going to find out there’s two different sides of the story,” Ireland said Tuesday. “So we’re going to sit down with every individual that we feel like has a great football talent, and we’re going to try to find out what that kid’s made of.”

 Mathieu has hooked up with former LSU teammate Patrick Peterson and is living with Peterson’s family in Pompano Beach while training for the draft. He also gets drug counseling twice a day and receives daily mentorship from New York Jets star cornerback Darrelle Revis.

 “This is my last shot,” Mathieu said. “The last few months have been really about me just getting a grip on myself — mentally, emotionally and spiritually. I’m just ready to live a football life again.”

 Mathieu also knows that he can’t just talk about turning his life around — he has to do it.

 “Trust takes time, especially when you’ve done a lot of things for people not to be able to trust you,” he said. “It may take two years, it may take five years, it may take until my career is over for people to start trusting Tyrann again. But the truth is I’m doing the right things, and I’m just looking forward to being a football player.”

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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 09, 2013, 06:02:42 am
A 20 year old who smokes pot?  Shock   :o

This is a pick worth the risk for some team.  I wouldn't mind spending a 4th on him...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on February 09, 2013, 09:50:09 am
He may be a talent, but with so few picks can we use one on a CB?  That would seem sort of like a luxury pick.
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Post by: packrat on February 09, 2013, 09:33:09 pm
No thanks.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 10, 2013, 01:46:44 am
A 20 year old who smokes pot?  Shock   :o

This is a pick worth the risk for some team.  I wouldn't mind spending a 4th on him...

 I'd take him with our last pick if he is still on the boards. He wont be.

 
He may be a talent, but with so few picks can we use one on a CB?  That would seem sort of like a luxury pick.

 See above.
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Post by: Phill23 on February 10, 2013, 10:54:47 pm
Report: Vikings looking to trade Harvin

John Holler & Tim Yotter/VikingUpdate.com
Feb 10, 2013


Local news report says team sources claim that the Vikings are looking to trade Percy Harvin following a blow-up with head coach Leslie Frazier. The incident was credited for why Harvin was placed on injured reserve and why the Vikings are looking to trade Harvin.

Mike Max of WCCO Radio reported this weekend that the Vikings are actively pursuing a trade for wide receiver Percy Harvin.

According to the report, the reason the Vikings put Harvin on injured reserve while he was healing from an ankle injury was related to a meltdown Harvin had that was directed toward head coach Leslie Frazier in the presence of several players.

Sources said that teammates didn’t take well to Harvin’s blow-up at Frazier, which was similar to an episode Harvin had with former head coach Brad Childress. As a result, the report claims, the Vikings are looking to trade Harvin while his trade value is high.

Harvin is under contract for one more season and there has been speculation that, if the Vikings were looking to trade Harvin, any potential trade would likely have to come prior to this year’s draft.

Vikings general manager Rick Spielman was vague about Harvin’s status on Friday. Asked about Harvin’s contract status, Spielman declined to get into specifics.

“I’m not going to say what’s going to happen this offseason because he is going into the last year of his contract,” Spielman said in an interview with KFAN radio. “But right now, where we’re at, Percy Harvin is a member of this football team and he is a very good football player. We don’t like to get rid of good football players.”

“We love Percy Harvin as a football player. Everybody sees what he does for our football team.”

Harvin’s salary for 2013, the last of his of his rookie deal, nearly doubled for 2013 – to $2.9 million – because of incentives he met in 2012. Despite missing the final seven games of the season after injuring his ankle, he had 62 catches for 677 yards and was being talked about as a potential MVP candidate midway through the season.

Spielman defended the decision to place Harvin on injured reserve.

“Percy is a very good football player. I think the issue was we weren’t seeing the progress we needed to see (in the ankle), and when we made that decision to put Percy on IR, it was for his benefit down the road. He’s still a young player,” Spielman said. “We felt we didn’t want to put him out there to further any damage or risk to potentially have any long-term issues with his ankles. We did what was best for Percy Harvin at the time. I know Percy was very frustrated from the fact that his ankle wasn’t coming around as quickly as he had hoped, as well. I know our medical staff was working extremely hard.”
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 11, 2013, 08:36:50 am
Cancer.  No thanks.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on February 11, 2013, 09:13:56 am
I think there is more to this story. "We weren't seeing the progress weneeded to see  (with the ankle)..."?  Maybe they expected him to heal as fast as AP and it caused problems when he didn't.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 11, 2013, 09:53:36 am
With Harvin, a good OL and a decent TE we could blow our offense wide open.

But Harvin's just got too many issues to warrant the risk.  He's a better receiving version of Devin Hester with 10x the attitude problems. And the Vikings would never trade him within the division anyway.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on February 11, 2013, 10:39:27 am
Plus didnt Percy Harvin have all of those migrane headache problems? 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 11, 2013, 10:45:09 am
Yes although the headaches didn't seem to be as much of an issue this past season as they were earlier in his pro career.

But then the ankle and some other things happened this year.  On top of the attitude.

He's just one of those guys where there's always one thing or another to deal with and he's enough of a tool where you can only give him so much slack.  High talent (when healthy) but ultra high-maintenance.

A team like the Patriots could probably whip him into shape and get his mind right with Belichick and Brady to cut him down to size.  In fact, as a replacement for Welker he would be a substantial upgrade. It wouldn't surprise me to see him go there and end up doing well.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 11, 2013, 07:52:05 pm

 Harvin doesnt play all that much ... like, Andre Johnson in not being there when you need him.

 I hate to say it but our own Jeffery isnt getting off to a great start.

 Chris Williams and Carimi come to mind along with Jeffery.

 High round draft picks that are not the IMPACT players we thought we were getting.

 Instead injurys. This isnt helping the cause out at all.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 12, 2013, 08:07:26 am
The weird thing about Jeffery is that he hardly had any injury troubles at all in college.  And then he comes to the Bears and misses most of the season with various dings.

Bears luck I guess.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2013, 08:41:34 am
Its about strength and conditioning. The game is a lot more physical in the NFL. Jeffery has to adjust.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on February 12, 2013, 08:53:03 am
What adjustment could Jeffery have made that would prevent a broken hand?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2013, 09:01:56 am
I think its more strength and conditioning. IMHO he needs to get stronger
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 12, 2013, 09:52:05 pm

 Are we going to see where the shiiit hits the fan with Trestman ?

 God lets hope so.

 On DEFENSE we have a good team ... fuuucking OFFENSE ... Offensive Line.

 Now theres not one motherfuucker on this board that knows whats been needed for YEARS.

 SAN FRANCISCO drafted an OFFENSIVE LINE thoughout LESS THEN THREE YEARS.

 RESULTS : Kapernick ...fuuucking Kapernick ... and his OL are in the SuperBowl.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2013, 10:10:22 pm
The trouble is when you go 10-6 you dont get many high draft picks which is where you find those good OLinemen. The 9ers were bad for several years and were able to draft. Besides we had a GM who couldnt tell the difference between a OG and a LB. He couldnt even find a safety having to draft one every year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 12, 2013, 10:14:47 pm
Not to mention our new GM drafting a safety as well.

Still think that one was Lovie's more than Emery's. Hope he turns out in spite of it.   ???
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 13, 2013, 04:23:24 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/13/frazier-agrees-to-contract-extension-with-vikings/
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 14, 2013, 12:03:22 am
That can't be!  The resident genius here said all NFL teams want to hire OFFENSIVE MINDED COACHES as HC.   This must be a hoax!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 14, 2013, 06:33:50 pm
That can't be!  The resident genius here said all NFL teams want to hire OFFENSIVE MINDED COACHES as HC.   This must be a hoax!

 He made his bones with Minnie when NOBODY expected them to end up where they did.

 EX-BEAR gets to coach more !
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 15, 2013, 05:24:45 am
I love Leslie Frazier but he inspires me about as much as Jauron.  He is saddled with Christian Ponder, who unless he makes a big turnaround this year, will be Frazier's demise.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on February 15, 2013, 10:12:29 am
I believe the "genius" Phil refers to was taliking about the "trend" in new hires to go offensive with their coaching selections. Never any mention of ALL teams wanting to or with EXISTING coaches.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 15, 2013, 10:58:26 am
The rules are all geared towards offense now.  Therefore all teams want offensive minded coaches.



 
Okay now keep on defending your buddies.  It's all good!!  :)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 15, 2013, 11:47:20 am
....just like you defending your buddy Lovie
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 15, 2013, 05:19:20 pm

 What happened with our beloved BEARS is a 7-1 start that ran out of gas.

 Defense was what the press was noting as Peanut & Jennings along with Briggs stole the show.

 JCut gettng cheap shotted by Houston started the demise.

 The skillful hit on Lance Louis was genius.

 Jason Campbell never had a chance against the team that went to the SuperBowl.

 Defense being what it was ... the team never had a chance with JCut & Louis out (who was coming on).

 I've always heard this weird shiit about Halas Hall under angelo & lovie that the second teamers  i.e. :

 Campbell hardly had any snaps in practice. It showed at SFO.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on February 15, 2013, 05:22:41 pm
Of the 8 new head coaches in the NFL 7 have an offensive background.  The only team to go for a defensive background coach was Jacksonville.  So not all teams want an offensive minded coach but if they are smart they would.  The rules have gone so far in favor of the offense it is downright silly to spend the vast majority of cap space on defense.

I think Phill cares more about a coaches skin color then wether he has a offensive or defensive background.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 20, 2013, 08:40:39 am

NFC North: Agents of change

February 19, 2013, 8:45 pm

Chris Boden

 
A year ago at this time, the Bears' offseason personnel questions on the offensive side involved backups at quarterback (we're there again), running back (settled, if Michael Bush remains), and offensive line (here we go again). Swap out the Matt Forte backup for concern about getting themselves a tight end or two.

On the defensive side, we wondered about Brian Urlacher's health more than his future, whether some of the kid defensive linemen could step up and question marks over three of the four spots in the defensive backfield. The latter's been solved, save for what will be done at the nickel position. Another Urlacher question needs to be answered, and if Henry Melton returns via tag or long-term agreement, the rotation uncertainty then boils down to Israel Idonije's spot, and whether that could be solved from within if he isn't.

The Bears are the only team in the NFC North with a new coaching staff, so an unexpected decision or two is always possible. But around the division, where there's no significant management or coaching turnover, here are the other general questions within their respective free agent pools that have to be addressed:
 
Whether it's good or not, Green Bay has some younger, cheaper candidates to step in for future Hall of Fame safety Charles Woodson, and while Clay Matthews becomes a free agent a year from now the issues right in front of them are on the offensive side. Despite the presence of Aaron Rodgers and touchdown receptions leader James Jones, Donald Driver retired and Greg Jennings appears to be moving on in free agency. That leaves Jones, Randall Cobb and Jordy Nelson as his main targets (plus Jermichael Finley). There were rumblings late in the season Finley had worn out his welcome and the Packers were ready to cut him and his $8.75 million cap hit for 2013. Still, the man caught 61 passes. Rodgers will need a couple new targets, and we haven't even gotten to their desire to improve his protection, and whether they can continue getting away with Rent-a-Running Back.

Detroit's defense wound up in the middle of the NFL's pack, which is easy to overlook when they're so identified with Stafford-to-Johnson. But that "D" could conceivably undergo a major makeover based on their free agent pool, with potentially three new starters on the line, two at linebacker and two in their defensive backfield. They've already cut Kyle Vanden Bosch, and the opposite End, Cliff Avril, will get a huge payday somewhere. Nick Fairley should move into a full-time role for UFA Corey Williams. Outside linebackers Justin Durant and DeAndre Levy could move on, as could free safety Louis Delmas and cornerback Chris Houston. But the Lions also need a complement to Calvin Johnson, and their offensive line has two 10-year-plus vets after cutting their right guard while right tackle Gosder Cherilus hits the market.

Minnesota might be in the best spot when the market opens in three weeks. Two starting linebackers - Jasper Brinkley and Erin Henderson - can shop around, along with safety Jamarca Sanford - a starter on the strong side the past two years. On the "AP" side, the rushing champion surely wants right tackle Phil Loadholt back, along with his fullback Jerome Felton. But the biggest question hovering over the Purple People is whether Percy Harvin can stay healthy enough (and drama-free enough) to be a long-term piece that can keep defenses honest against Peterson (not that it really mattered much last season).
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 21, 2013, 11:56:51 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/21/calvin-johnson-broke-receiving-record-playing-through-broken-fingers/

Beast.  Hate the Lions but much respect for CJ.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 13, 2013, 12:47:02 pm
Lions Adding Reggie Bush

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/13/bush-lions-have-a-deal/

If the Packers wind up with Steven Jackson the NFC North is gonna be absolutely STACKED with RB talent.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 13, 2013, 01:47:34 pm
And we have no LBs to stop them
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 13, 2013, 03:17:44 pm
Lions Adding Reggie Bush

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/13/bush-lions-have-a-deal/

If the Packers wind up with Steven Jackson the NFC North is gonna be absolutely STACKED with RB talent.

 We go up against Adrian Peterson twice a year and are ranked 6th against the run.

 We know how to handle these punks.

 
And we have no LBs to stop them

 Did Briggs and Roach sign with other teams ? Has Urlacher ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 13, 2013, 03:23:14 pm
Briggs is here, Roach is probably gone (meeting with the Raiders today) and Urlacher is in limbo.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 13, 2013, 03:55:17 pm
wouldn't surprise me if we let Urlacher walk.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 13, 2013, 04:01:23 pm
It sure doesn't appear that a lot of teams -- or actually any teams -- are beating down the door to talk to Urlacher.

If this keeps up it may come down to him either taking whatever the Bears put on the table, or retiring.

I really can't see Emery offering Urlacher significant money AND spending our 1st round pick on a LB.  It will be one or the other.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on March 13, 2013, 04:24:44 pm
NFL Network had Urlacher slotted as the #6 linebacker FA available. He's not going to get big money from anyone at his age.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 13, 2013, 04:26:55 pm
Briggs is here, Roach is probably gone (meeting with the Raiders today) and Urlacher is in limbo.

 As you know I am also a Raiduhs fan (you have to adopt an AFC team ) Da Raiduhs dont have any money.

 And why the fuuuck would you walk when you know you are on a future winning team ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 13, 2013, 04:33:08 pm
NFL Network had Urlacher slotted as the #6 linebacker FA available. He's not going to get big money from anyone at his age.

I think what's working against Urlacher even more than his age/health questions, is the fact that he has played his entire career in one defensive system -- and a system that has mostly fallen out of favor around the league at that.  He is a Tampa-2 MLB, period. It is ludicrous to think he could plug in to some 3-4 scheme and be effective at ALL, and the GMs of those teams get that.  Urlacher's skills (or what's left of them) are simply not a fit for a lot of teams and wouldn't have been even if he were a few years younger.

The only logical place I can even think of him being a fit would be Dallas and as Dallasbear has pointed out, they've already got a pretty good young MLB down there.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2013, 04:58:08 pm

There was an article somewhere, maybe Dallas Morning News, that said the Cowboys might be interested in Urlacher.  I still don't see how it makes sense as Urlacher would not play ahead of Sean Lee - they absolutely love Lee in Dallas.  And the Cowboys have re-done about every big contract on their team to get to plus $175K.  And they still  have big holes and a draft.

I think once the hoopla of free agency dies down and Bears can start cleaning up their contracts they will throw an incentive laden contract Urlacher's way.  I don't think Urlacher needs a big money deal but it could be an ego thing if he feels the Bears are insulting him with a low ball offer.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 13, 2013, 06:11:47 pm
something like a 2 yr 10 M if he reaches all the incentives but really works out to about 3M per year.
He likely this year (if healthy) can still man that MLB spot better than anyone we can get.
We do need to get a replacement in the pipe though.

 I wonder what Freeney would cost? a 3DE rotation of Peppers, Freeney and McClellan would be pretty stout against the Passer, especially with Melton in the middle. If Freeney sits out there it would be a coup if we could bring him in. He knows the T2 and can bring the heat. At this point in his Career I don't think he could play in every system or even every down but as someone rotating in the T2 he might add value.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 13, 2013, 06:26:59 pm

 Urlacher if he has any brains retires as a BEAR.

 He can make six figures easily around Chicagoland.

 Hes not going to get that in Dallas or anywhere else he decides to move to.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 13, 2013, 06:34:36 pm
wouldn't surprise me if we let Urlacher walk.

Each new FA signing increases that ikelihood.  It is the logical move, IMHO.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 14, 2013, 08:04:09 am
then again we only have like 2 LBs on the roster.
Our starting SLB and MLB are both FAs.
We've gotta sign/draft somebody.
I like going into the draft looking for upgrades, not needs.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 14, 2013, 08:25:58 am
Yeah I've been thinking about Freeney too.  He's an undersized 4-3 DE like McClellin so he could really help McClellin learn how to play the position.

The problem is, he's a spot player at this point in his career but he's gonna want starter's pay.  Emery don't play that tune.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 14, 2013, 09:00:29 am
Regarding Urlacher, apparently his camp put a proposal in front of Emery already.  I don't know what the terms were and there are no indications the Bears have returned a counter-offer.  So right now I believe the hold-up is on the Bears' end. Very likely they are waiting to see if he draws any serious interest so they know how much leverage they have to counter with.

All I know is that I would hate to lose both Roach and Urlacher and then have to reach for a LB in the draft to compensate. We still have unfinished business on the interior of the OL, we have no deep threat to speak of at WR, and depending on what happens with Collins/Okoye/Izzy we may be mighty slim at DT as well.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 14, 2013, 09:13:41 am
I read something somewhere that said Urlacher's proposal was 2yr at around the 5.5M mark that Ray made last year.
If they did something like a 2yr deal with like a 3M Roster bonus, 1M Base and 1M incentives for this year and something that could get him to 5M with incentives next year that might work.
Essentially he could play this year for about 4M and retire with honor if he wanted to and a 2yr 10M contract sounds good to the media.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 14, 2013, 03:51:58 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/14/lions-left-tackle-jeff-backus-retires/

If they draft Eric Fisher to replace him, our defense's job just got a lot harder.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 15, 2013, 06:28:48 pm
Greg Jennings just signed with the Vikings.  I feel like the Bears are falling behind the other teams in the North.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 15, 2013, 06:53:42 pm
It sure seems they are. They definitely need some new blood. This LB and CB situation is going to be troublesome
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on March 15, 2013, 07:02:32 pm
Signing Jennings is going to make the Vikes less likely to sign Urlacher. I think he'll be back at a reasonable salary. I don't see other teams tripping over themselves to sign him.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 15, 2013, 07:21:38 pm
Regarding Urlacher, that is what we said about Kruetz. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 15, 2013, 07:43:26 pm
...and look how that turned out.  Kruetz did not even play the whole season and retired.  Sorry but the Bears called that one right. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 15, 2013, 07:44:36 pm
Personally I'd rather they draft a top LB than bring Urlacher back for 5 Mill. And I am not talking about Te'o
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on March 15, 2013, 07:48:04 pm
I said a reasonable salary. 5 mil is too high.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 15, 2013, 07:50:58 pm
Considering our cap situation its way way too high
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 16, 2013, 05:27:07 am
I think a 2 year, 5 million contract with playing time incentives approaching another 3 - 5, would be a fair contract.  Maybe a little high...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 16, 2013, 07:35:23 am
What we need is a side to side LB which Urlacher was when young but no longer is. The kid from Georgia is and their DE (Washington) is also, who is more of a LB. Speed kills and we don't have it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: davebear on March 16, 2013, 10:12:13 am
I think speed at LB will be critical to stopping this read option offense.

I would rather we resign Urlacher and use a late pick on a fast but physically underdeveloped small school kid who can watch this year, hit the weight room and be in place next year.

BTW Dallas was pushing for Urlacher to visit them this weekend.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 18, 2013, 09:00:49 am
I think the best way to stop the read option offense is to beat the hell out of the QB at every opportunity. 

That's gonna be a challenge cause first you have to catch the QB and then you have to be willing to take some flags (which will certainly be given for hard hits on QBs even if the hits are legit).  But once you get QBs (and their coaches) nervous about a QB's long term viability I think a lot of the read option BS will go out the window.

If OCs want to make their QB a 2nd or 3rd RB option then fine but they have to understand there are risks associated with that approach as well.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 18, 2013, 09:12:52 am
But Kapernic has speed and you counteract speed with speed. We don't have that speed, especially at MLB.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 18, 2013, 09:25:57 am
That's where I could see a guy like Hardin coming in.

He's not a LB but he's almost as big as one.  He's fast enough to track down the QB and brings enough of a load to make them pay once he gets there. Might be a deal where against read option offenses you go with 2 LBs, 4 DBs and then Hardin plays some sort of LB/S hybrid who essentially spies the QB.  A lot of college defenses have that sort of player.

If Hardin can be that kind of player and do it well, suddenly that 3rd round pick goes from a W-T-F move to sheer genius.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 18, 2013, 09:57:20 am
Interesting. But can Hardin stay healthy? He seems very fragile.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 18, 2013, 10:14:07 am
Yeah I'm still wondering about how they handled (or mishandled) the Hardin situation last year.

By all accounts his injury did not warrant putting him on the IR.  At minimum I thought he should/could have been IR'd with "designated to return".

But for whatever reason the powers that be decided to essentially redshirt him so we've already lost one year on an investment that was definitely open to question to begin with.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 18, 2013, 10:46:39 am
I still contend we need more LB speed.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 18, 2013, 11:46:06 am
We need more LBs period.  I hope that Roach leaving doesn't come and bite us in the rear...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 18, 2013, 11:50:02 am
If I recall, that special "IR designated to return" can only be used on one player. You wouldn't want to use it on Hardin and then lose someone like Forte in week 2 with a 6 week injury and not be able to bring him back.
I don't mind the IR redshirt, give them a whole season to bulk up and whatever they can learn without violating any rules.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 18, 2013, 02:29:06 pm

Part of the reason Hardin was red-shirted was that he had no experience playing safety in college - he was a CB.  I guess they figured with that lack of experience and the riskiness of his injury they should just sit him out. 

We'll see what he can do this year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 18, 2013, 02:44:14 pm
I heard or read where somebody said the guy cant tackle. I hope they teach him proper tackling techniques.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 18, 2013, 03:07:29 pm

I don't know about that but he tried to tackle a Redskin TE in a PS game and led with his head looking down, which is not only not very good technique but dangerous.  He probably won't make that mistake again.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 18, 2013, 04:23:30 pm
I'm definitely beginning to lean towards a high speed LB. One that can get to the QB in a hurry on a blitz or one that can cover and adjust fast. Ogletree fits the bill there. Neither Briggs nor Url are spring chickens. This is a top need.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 18, 2013, 04:31:18 pm
If there was a super stud LB in the draft, no way he falls to 20. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 18, 2013, 04:37:43 pm
There are all different types of linebackers these days.  There are MLBs in the 4-3 and 3-4 which are somewhat similar.  And there are 3-4 OLBs which have a totally different skill set than 4-3 OLBs.  Even 4-3 SLBs and WLBs are not the same.

Typically in past drafts 4-3 LBs and guards are rarely taken in the first round.  So if you needed those players you might be able to trade down and get a quality guy a few picks later.  However, this year with the absence of quality skill offensive players that could change.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 18, 2013, 04:47:55 pm
A ideal pass rush setup would include McClellin...hopefully improved after a slow start...on one side of the line and someone like Ogletree blitzing from the other side. Meet at the QB. That would mean we'd need a strong DT that can get a push up the middle, too....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 18, 2013, 05:16:25 pm
Also there was talk of doing away without Peppers. Now were we to draft a sackmaster stud DE we might be able to cut bait with Peppers, saving enough cap room. Just saying to be saying.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 19, 2013, 12:13:17 am

 Alec Ogaltree could solve a lot of problems or someone of his ilk.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: davebear on March 19, 2013, 08:21:49 am
I don't see the point of releasing a pro bowl DE (Peppers) from a 10-6 team that expects to contend.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2013, 09:51:50 am
What? 16 mill cap hit? Even the blind can see that.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 19, 2013, 10:05:32 am
If we cut Peppers we only get a portion of his salary restored against our cap.  It would only be something like a 50% net gain.  I don't know how exactly the math works but cutting Peppers would net us something like $6 or 7M -- nowhere near his full salary.  Which we would then have to turn right back around and sink into the position to replace him.

The biggest benefit of cutting Peppers before this season would be that his massive contract wouldn't keep tying up our cap in future years.  Which is definitely worth considering.  But in terms of helping us THIS year, IMO it would pretty much be a wash.  We'd be minus a player who is still able to play at a high level and has established himself as a leader on the D.  And God help our OL if Peppers wound up on a division rival's DL, healthy and motivated.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2013, 10:23:10 am
We'd be minus a player who is still able to play at a high level and has established himself as a leader on the D.  And God help our OL if Peppers wound up on a division rival's DL, healthy and motivated.

Peppers took plays and series off. He wasn't healthy. He wore a knee brace. Is he healthy this year? That's a mighty big two letter word "IF". I am not sure he is worth the ga&mble. IMHO Peppers, like Urlacher is on his last leg, no pun intended.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 19, 2013, 12:48:06 pm

Peppers on his last leg?  I really have to disagree there.

Yeah, maybe Peppers was injured last year - there was talk of a foot injury.  But his numbers last year were very consistent with the year before in tackles and sacks.

Teams have to game plan him which gives opportunities to everyone else on defense.  Bears have a nice DE rotation that gives him breaks during the game which could end up pro-longing his career and overall  effectiveness.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 19, 2013, 12:49:52 pm
I would say Peppers has a lot more left in the tank than Urlacher.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2013, 01:35:01 pm
Peppers on his last leg?  I really have to disagree there.

Lets just agree to disagree there. He isn't a spring chicken either.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 19, 2013, 01:45:30 pm
A lot of it depends on if he's able to put this foot ailment behind him this offseason.

If it's a chronic thing then we've probably seen his best days but if he can get back to 100% pain free I think we'd be glad we still had him.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 20, 2013, 02:22:19 pm
would be nice if McClellan and Wooton can play more and give Peppers more plays off.
I'd still like to see Izzy retire a Bear.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 20, 2013, 06:31:28 pm
There is more talk of McClellan playing MLB for the Bears
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 20, 2013, 07:11:37 pm
They better do something pretty quick with both Roach and Urlacher gone.  I can see a Bear team having to score 45 or more to win. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: davebear on March 20, 2013, 11:12:36 pm
Peppers foot condition isn't "curable"   still he made the pro bowl.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 21, 2013, 12:40:52 am
Don't worry.  Our resident genius said the Bears shouldn't focus on defense.  It's all good!!!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 22, 2013, 08:07:33 pm

 LB
 OL
 LB
 OL ... rest of the picks ... BPA.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 23, 2013, 01:03:41 pm

Rob Demovsky, USA TODAY Sports12:23p.m. EDT March 21, 2013

Packers coach Mike McCarthy says Adrian Peterson and the playoff loss to the Niners were the team's "two black eyes"
McCarthy says anybody who watches film will decide to run the read-option against the Packers if they have the right QB
The Packers could see a heavy dose of the read-option with the 49ers, Redskins and Eagles on the schedule

PHOENIX — Mike McCarthy didn't need to wait until the Green Bay Packers completed their crash course on defending the read option or give defensive coordinator Dom Capers time to finish his offseason analysis to know what his team must do better this season.

Even before both tasks were completed within the last two weeks, it was obvious.

Just roll any tape from the last month of the season, when Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson rushed for 409 yards in two games against the Packers and San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick used the read-option offense to pile up 181 yards rushing as the Packers got eliminated in the NFC divisional playoff round for the second straight season.

"Adrian Peterson and the San Francisco game were our two black eyes," McCarthy said Wednesday during the NFC coaches breakfast on the final day of the NFL annual meetings. "And that's where we've got to be better. Those are big games. We've got to play better defense in big games."

And with that, Capers received his orders for this season.

It included, but was not limited to, a trip to College Station, Texas two weeks ago, when Capers and his staff spent the day with the coaches at Texas A&M to pick their brains about the read-option that is expected to become more prevalent in the NFL this season. Aggies coach Kevin Sumlin, who has the multi-dimensional, Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Johnny Manziel, led the one-day session.

"I think it's a great changeup and a great opportunity for our defensive staff to do that," McCarthy said. "Kevin Sumlin and his staff are very gracious and there's a ton of feedback going back and forth. Kevin was in the room the whole time giving an offensive perspective. Our defensive staff was in the room with their defensive staff. It was a conversation that was very, very helpful, and I'm sure there will be some things we take away from that visit."

There's a good chance the Packers will have to put some of what they learned to the test this season. Their schedule includes the 49ers, Washington Redskins and Philadelphia Eagles — all teams that will use the read-option to one degree or another.

********And just a few tables away from where McCarthy was speaking, first-year Chicago Bears coach Marc Trestman said, "The read-option will be part of our package."***************************

"I'm not a crystal ball, but I know we're going to see it early and often," McCarthy said. "If I was playing against us, I'd make sure that if we had that kind of quarterback that you would test the Green Bay Packers. Everybody's going to watch (our) last game. Let's not be naïve to that."

Demovsky writes for the Green Bay Press-Gazette, a Gannett property.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 24, 2013, 07:27:01 am
And i still say, the way I would defend the read option is pretty simple.  Blast the quarterback whether he holds the ball or not.  And while your at it it, go for his legs like you would a running back.  In the read option, the QB has declared himself as a runner, and the protection of being a quarterback is gone.  No more, one step, two step penalty.  Forget the running back.  Annihilate the qb everytime they run the play.  Heck I might even commit two guys to blowing him up.

You would see that go out of the NFL very quickly, I can't be the only person thinking about this and I bet there are a few blows coming the ways of Kapernick, Wilson, and RG3
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 24, 2013, 10:30:33 am
Agreed.  After a few teams lose their star QB running it, it will be history.  Either that or they will only run it with a back up or non-QB.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 28, 2013, 02:32:55 am
And i still say, the way I would defend the read option is pretty simple.  Blast the quarterback whether he holds the ball or not.  And while your at it it, go for his legs like you would a running back.  In the read option, the QB has declared himself as a runner, and the protection of being a quarterback is gone.  No more, one step, two step penalty.  Forget the running back.  Annihilate the qb everytime they run the play.  Heck I might even commit two guys to blowing him up.

You would see that go out of the NFL very quickly, I can't be the only person thinking about this and I bet there are a few blows coming the ways of Kapernick, Wilson, and RG3

 This hasnt played out yet ... you better be right.

 
Agreed.  After a few teams lose their star QB running it, it will be history.  Either that or they will only run it with a back up or non-QB.

 The NFL at least for the next season will be running this all over the place.

 Its a more aerial ball then running game ... look at how TE's went up in value and how RB's went down in value.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on March 29, 2013, 06:56:21 pm
From the Pioneer Press

It's always easy for paranoid Minnesotans to blame the weather when top free agents sign with warm-weather teams instead of our frozen-tundra favorites.  In the case of free agent wide receiver Mike Wallace, that was exactly the case.  The Miami Dolphins' new deep threat told the Miami Herald that the Vikings actually offered him the most money, but instead he chose a team that has not won a playoff game since 2000.

"The (Vikings) had come to the point where they were telling him, 'You don't have to live here, just be here during the season,' " Wallace's father, Mike Jr., said in an interview with the Herald's Adam H. Beasley. "He wanted to get out of that snow and cold weather."

Wallace, who suffers from asthma, played four seasons in occasionally frigid Pittsburgh. So it was an easy decision to take his talents and maladies to South Beach.  His five-year deal with Miami was worth $60 million. His father did not reveal how much more the Vikings were offering.

--------------------------

Rip it up. Shred it. Scrap the whole thing or start again from a position of strength.  I'm talking here about the flawed deal state legislators and the governor were bamboozled into making to help build a new Vikings stadium. Since there's really no contract or written agreement to this public fleecing, I'm strongly suggesting an extreme makeover.  This already was corporate welfare at its worst. Then news broke this month that confirms that Minneapolis and state taxpayers will be getting hosed for more than the $498 million in public contributions to the estimated $975 million stadium project.  It turns out that the $35 million projected in annual revenues from state-approved electronic charitable gambling actually yielded about $1.7 million last year (http://www.twincities.com/columnists/ci_22896169/ruben-rosario-vikings-stadium-deal-was-fools-gold?nstrack=sid:3214127|met:300|cat:0|order:3). Now, this was the projection that would take care of the state's $348 million contribution.  Given that bars and restaurants are not exactly embracing the e-pull-tab and e-bingo devices because they are not being used as sold, I have no doubt they're going to eventually tap into the general fund or come up with another scheme to shake down the taxpayer for more money.  And who came up with this grossly inflated projection? Why, the state gambling control board, after consulting with -- guess who? -- the gambling industry, a consultation Dayton admitted recently he did not know about.  With all due respect, that's like a farmer asking a fox to go into the henhouse and let him know if plenty of chickens are inside.  "Plenty for sure," the fox mumbles as it comes out, spitting feathers from its mouth.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 29, 2013, 08:41:52 pm

 VJ

 Are you insituating collusion ? No self respecting bank would do that.

 BWA - HA-HA-HA-HA-HA !!

 Send me the bill for fuucking up and I'll print more money.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 30, 2013, 10:12:29 am
I wonder does Mike Wallace realize what a hot/humid environment like FLA does for asthma
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on March 30, 2013, 11:25:49 am
yep...no escape from the pollen and allergens here either...particularly South Florida.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 30, 2013, 06:28:37 pm
I wonder does Mike Wallace realize what a hot/humid environment like FLA does for asthma

 He got what he wanted ... lets see him produce.

 
yep...no escape from the pollen and allergens here either...particularly South Florida.

 Hey maybe thats why Marshall split.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 03, 2013, 08:34:11 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/03/packers-shuffling-line-putting-bulaga-sitton-on-left-side/

Interesting decision by the Packers.  Bulaga is as big and country-strong as they come but I don't see him faring well against speed rushers.

This may actually favor the Bears.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 03, 2013, 08:46:16 am
Rodgers' gotta earn that big new paycheck
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 03, 2013, 08:55:23 am

Bulaga is not bad...but I don't think  he's a left tackle.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 03, 2013, 08:57:55 am
Bulaga = Carimi without the health issues.

They must really not be sold on what they've seen from Newhouse to make that switch.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 03, 2013, 12:54:00 pm

Bulaga did have health issues last year...I don't know specifically what they were but he was placed on IR.  Played in only 9 games.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 03, 2013, 01:06:58 pm
The Packers are also flipping their OGs...  Josh Sitton is going to LG and TJ Lang to the right side.  Sitton is their best O-Lineman so that makes sense... and will likely create a tougher matchup for Melton.   

The Packers also drafted a couple of OGs but hard to know if either or both of them will be in the mix this year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 03, 2013, 01:40:28 pm

It's not going to matter a whole lot - even if these guys are just adequate the Packers offense led by Rodgers is going to be prolific.  Unless you have top pass rushers like the Giants and 49ers your offense is going to have to make a lot of plays against the Packer defense.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 03, 2013, 01:46:21 pm
Was it just me or did the Packers have a hell of a lot of draft picks this year?

Seems like every time I looked they were on the clock.  Especially Saturday.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Fearless Freep on May 03, 2013, 04:53:48 pm
No it wasn't you yapper.  They traded down twice to gain 3 extra picks plus a compensatory pick for losing a FA took them from 7 to 11.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 03, 2013, 05:47:11 pm
Reading McCarthy's comments on how optimistic he is about Sherrod's recovery after last year's surgery I am hoping that he will be the starting LT that TT thought he was getting when drafting him in Rd1.

Then, of course there is LT Datco, recovered on the PS.  Let's not forget him.    ;)
 
Drafted two LTs  this year.  LTs up the wazoo.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 03, 2013, 06:38:57 pm
The Green Bay Packers dramatically are altering their offensive line, and it has nothing to do with the two offensive tackles they selected in the 2013 NFL Draft.




Coach Mike McCarthy told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that Bryan Bulaga will be moved to left tackle for the upcoming season. The team also plans to flip Pro Bowl guard Josh Sitton to the left side, with starter T.J. Lang moving to right guard.

"I sat down with Bryan and Josh on Monday and I told them I wanted to make the move to where they're on the left side," McCarthy told Tom Silverstein. "Those two are our most accomplished and experienced players. I told them about the responsibilities and my expectations about playing the left side.

"Some of the things we'll want to get into schematically as we move forward. They were excited about it."

The long-rumored move isn't without risks, but it makes a lot of sense. It moves the line's two most trustworthy and talented players to the more valuable side. Bulaga has to prove he can hold up against speedy edge rushers, but he's a better option than anyone else on the roster. Former left tackle and starter Marshall Newhouse will compete with Don Barclay on the right side, along with 2011 first-round pick Derek Sherrod, if he can stay healthy. David Bakhtiari, who the Packers selected No. 109 overall in the 2013 NFL Draft, should be a reserve.



I would bet that there will be some changes before the season begins.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 09, 2013, 01:27:19 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/09/lions-sign-larry-warford/

IMO this guy one was of the best values in the draft, at any position.  He was a standout player on a horrific team (i.e., getting no help from anyone else), playing against the best college D-Linemen in the country.  Sounds like he has a great work ethic too.

I was not happy at all to see the Lions get him, especially considering our lack of size at DT.  If they ever find a real RB to run behind him, look out.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on May 09, 2013, 02:08:53 pm
Didnt they sign Reggie Bush?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 09, 2013, 02:13:03 pm
Yeah but he's never been a full time RB and frankly at this point in his career he doesn't scare me that much.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on May 14, 2013, 10:59:28 am
From Star Tribune

(http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/585*312/64stadium0514.jpg)

(http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/585*312/stadium_vikings_interior_with_roof.jpg)

(http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/585*319/65stadium0514.jpg)

Purple Jesus temple
(http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/585*312/stadium_front_view.jpg)

Noah's ark?
(http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/446*328/63stadium0514.jpg)

Not sure that many people would watch a college baseball game, but the Twinkies could have used this facility with the multiple postponed games due to snow last month...
(http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/585*312/stadium_u_baseball_interior.jpg)

Final 4
(http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/585*327/98649%203stad051413.jpg)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 14, 2013, 11:06:39 am
Striking...  but the AC bills in the summer are going to be ridiculous.

Also have to wonder how much it's gonna cost to keep all that glass clean...  and how much stress it's designed to take.  A collapse of THAT roof could cause serious problems.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on May 14, 2013, 11:30:46 am
can you say "greenhouse" effect? pure fantasy.  As Yapper said, if THAT breaks, that's shards of glass. If you were going to do that, you'd better have a tarp you can use to cover and uncover the glass. It'd be like the old blanket on the windshield under the wipers trick. Pop that baby in the morning and Viola! clean and no ice or snow.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on May 14, 2013, 11:59:24 am
I sure wouldn't want to be an outfielder looking up into that glare to try and catch  fly ball
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 14, 2013, 12:05:41 pm
If they were smart they'd be using all that glass to collect solar power.  You could probably power half of downtown Minneapolis on the solar energy that thing would collect on a sunny day. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 14, 2013, 12:08:40 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/14/report-urlacher-considering-vikings-broncos/

So would this mean Urlacher comes over and gives Peanut a big hug after he picks off Ponder?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 14, 2013, 01:46:27 pm
Man I'd be worried if they got 2' of snow on that thing
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 14, 2013, 02:42:01 pm
with the shape, looks like snow would slide off.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 15, 2013, 09:53:50 am
Minnesota Vikings coach Leslie Frazier said Wednesday that the team is not pursuing former Bears middle linebacker Brian Urlacher.

Speaking on "NFL AM" this morning, Frazier said, "Brian has been a great player in our league for a long, long time. He was a thorn in our side for many years. At this point we want to look at the guys on our roster, give them a chance to compete for the middle linebacker position then we'll see where it takes us."

There was a report on Tuesday which linked Urlacher to the Vikings
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 15, 2013, 10:19:37 am

This was like when Jordan went to play with the Wizards.  I didn't much care for that either.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 15, 2013, 11:00:11 am
Even more so - going to a division rival?

They knew his price tag was > $2M - and they already overpaid for the GB WR
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 15, 2013, 11:07:58 am
Here's the thing, even if he winds up with the Vikings, how much is he gonna bring them?

They can't even tap him for info about our offense because he has no clue what Trestman and Kromer have been cooking up.

Honestly, not to be cold but if they signed him and started him at MLB I could see Trestman running a bunch of plays right at him. Pretty sure he doesn't have the wheels to keep up with Forte and Martellus in the passing game, and I doubt he wants to take on Slauson, Long and Webb a whole lot either.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on May 19, 2013, 09:34:07 am
Overheard joke:

Q. How can the Vikings new dome be self-cleaning ?
A. Don't let the Vikings fans in....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 20, 2013, 09:32:51 am
Here's the thing, even if he winds up with the Vikings, how much is he gonna bring them?

They can't even tap him for info about our offense because he has no clue what Trestman and Kromer have been cooking up.

Honestly, not to be cold but if they signed him and started him at MLB I could see Trestman running a bunch of plays right at him. Pretty sure he doesn't have the wheels to keep up with Forte and Martellus in the passing game, and I doubt he wants to take on Slauson, Long and Webb a whole lot either.

I don't believe for a second Urlacher would've been signed just to get info on our offense.  Come on.  They need help at MLB and that solely would be the reason they sign him. 

I'm sure no one would want info on Mike Tice's offense if he were still here.  :)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 20, 2013, 09:54:53 am
Honestly, not to be cold but if they signed him and started him at MLB I could see Trestman running a bunch of plays right at him. Pretty sure he doesn't have the wheels to keep up with Forte and Martellus in the passing game, and I doubt he wants to take on Slauson, Long and Webb a whole lot either.

No MLB can keep up with Forte in the open field...the problem is he doesn't get into the open field much. 

As for Urlacher fearing Slauson, Long and Webb?  Really?  Is Urlacher now down to 97lbs and using a walker?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 20, 2013, 10:30:05 am
Agree 1000%.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 20, 2013, 10:47:27 am
From what I can tell, two things are gonna have to happen for Urlacher to wear an NFL uniform this year.

#1 some team that runs the Tampa 2 (or a close variant) is going to have to get really desperate at MLB.  Like, their starter goes down the last week of preseason or something.  The Vikings appeared to have fit that description but they've decided to go with one of their own (Erin Henderson) there.

#2 Urlacher is gonna have to drop his price.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on May 20, 2013, 10:59:12 am
If he'd dropped his price, he'd still be a Bear. Hell, he may still be, who knows? The Bears could fit your #1 senario.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 20, 2013, 11:03:11 am
While its true the old gray mare aint what he used to be, he is still a smart player. I do believe that Trestman would run plays at Urlacher. But unless Urlacher has found some magic compound to rejuvenate his wheels he isn't going to help a defense much. Being the Bears don't want him back it seems to point to other teams shying away from Urlacher because of some perceived notion that if the Bears don't want him back he must not be able to help them either.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 20, 2013, 11:04:58 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/20/calvin-johnson-confirms-he-played-with-three-broken-fingers-in-2012/

Wow.  I hate the Lions, but this guy is the truth.

Thank goodness we've got one of the only CBs in the league who seems to be able to keep him in check.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 20, 2013, 12:06:37 pm
I do believe that Trestman would run plays at Urlacher. But unless Urlacher has found some magic compound to rejuvenate his wheels he isn't going to help a defense much. Being the Bears don't want him back it seems to point to other teams shying away from Urlacher because of some perceived notion that if the Bears don't want him back he must not be able to help them either.


With Urlacher at MLB last year the Bears were 8th against the run.  Don't you think teams would tried the middle on them more frequently?  Also consider the Bears had DTs that weighed around 290lb and with no responsibility to stop the run?

The problem with anyone signing Urlacher is his salary demands and the fact that at his age there is not much of a future with him.  A team might be able to squeeze a productive year or maybe two - who knows?  It's a young man's game and if you have somebody younger/cheaper you try him first.

Plus the MLB isn't really the focus of a team's defense these days with the emphasis on the passing game.

But if he signs with someone I'll  hope he does well (when not playing the Bears) and doesn't embarrass himself.  So many guys try to squeeze another year or two out of their careers and it can get ugly.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 20, 2013, 12:08:48 pm
But if he signs with someone I'll  hope he does well (when not playing the Bears) and doesn't embarrass himself.

I feel likewise.  That whole deal with Kreutz going to New Orleans and then not finishing the season was awkward to say the least and really ended a great career on a down note.  Would hate to see something similar with Urlacher.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 20, 2013, 06:57:17 pm
When a great player like Urlacher reaches the end of his great career the best thing for him to do is retire gracefully to the adulation of his team and loving fans.  He is a HOFer and had nothing left to prove.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 20, 2013, 09:36:02 pm

The problem was that both Urlacher and the Bears didn't believe he's at the end of his career.   If he accepts the $2M offer most likely he's the starting MLB going into the season and the Bears don't sign DJ Williams and possibly don't draft Bostic.

It would have been nice if Urlacher had a farewell season culminating in a Super Bow victory like Ray Lewis had.

But now he's somewhat of an outsider until he decides what he wants to do.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 20, 2013, 09:38:28 pm
Urlacher wants to much money for where he is at at this point in his career.  This is the reason he is not a Bear or on any NFL team.  My guess is a team will lose their vet MLB in training camp and pick him up for cheap.  Either that or he will retire.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 21, 2013, 07:37:10 am
The other problem for Urlacher is that he has played his entire career in a defensive system that isn't widely used anymore.  He knows the Tampa-2 like virtually nobody else in the league...  but that's ALL he knows.

If some non-Tampa 2 team signs him and tries to plug him in he is likely to fail badly.  So that cuts down the possible destinations for him by a lot.

It really hurt Urlacher's prospects when nobody hired Lovie.  That would have likely meant a gig for Urlacher as well.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 23, 2013, 03:11:05 pm
Four Downs: NFC North


by Rivers McCown

Chicago Bears

Biggest Post-Draft Hole: Wide receiver

Bears general manager Phil Emery and new head coach Marc Trestman deserve credit for attacking their weaknesses aggressively in both the draft and in free agency. While big signing Jermon Bushrod is far from an elite tackle, and his Pro Bowls should probably be viewed as a second slot the NFC used on Drew Brees, he's a definite upgrade over the dreck the Bears have been using at left tackle for years. The cascade effect of his signing is that J'Marcus Webb, part of the aforementioned dreck, will get a chance to play on the right side against pass rushers that are generally weaker than those who gave him major problems as a starter for the last couple of seasons. First-round pick Kyle Long should help right away on the interior line, new tight end Martellus Bennett will give the Bears a competent stretch tight end, albeit one who had never posted a positive qualifying DVOA until last year's 3.8%. (DVOA is Football Outsiders' defense-adjusted value over average metric, explained here.) Second-round pick Jon Bostic and fourth-round pick Khaseem Greene are athletic move linebackers who should give the Bears plenty of fallback options if D.J. Williams and James Anderson have trouble replacing Brian Urlacher and Nick Roach.





But the unpopular weakness still remains. When we pointed to wide receiver as a major flaw for the current Bears early in the offseason, it was to the consternation of a lot of Bears fans who saw the offensive line as being the larger issue. The problem is that Jay Cutler is a see-it, throw-it passer. He's still a solid quarterback, but he's never thrown receivers open on a consistent basis. That amplifies the Bears receiving problems, and while scheming can create the occasional big play for Devin Hester, Eric Weems, or Earl Bennett, they can't defeat man coverage often enough to benefit Cutler. While the jury is still out on Alshon Jeffery, he also wasn't able to beat man coverage often enough last season to help out much. That means a lot of targets are going to be headed to Brandon Marshall and Bennett. Both of them performed competently in the face of that last season, but it's certainly not the most efficient way to build an offense. Rookie Marquess Wilson is a good fit -- Football Outsiders college analyst Matt Waldman thinks he has a very bright future -- but he's not necessarily likely to play right away.

Notable Undrafted Free Agent Additions

The most well-known UDFA the Bears have brought in is Rutgers receiver Mark Harrison, who you may better know as "the other guy who denied pooping all over a hotel room with DeAndre Hopkins." Harrison is also the UDFA who has the best shot at making the Chicago roster this year, mostly for the lack of depth that we just went over. He'll need to work on his routes and releases to make that a reality. Cornerbacks Demontre Hurst (Oklahoma State) and C.J. Wilson (North Carolina State) also have a chance at cracking a roster that has a death of young talent in the secondary.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 23, 2013, 03:12:29 pm
Green Bay Packers

Biggest Post-Draft Hole: Offensive line

The rich get richer. The Packers had another excellent draft where general manager Ted Thompson was able to shore up the running back position with Eddie Lacy and Jonathan Franklin, as well as pluck Datone Jones with his first-round pick and use him to shore up a defensive front line that never fully recovered from the loss of Cullen Jenkins. While Green Bay could use some more consistent and reliable play from their safeties and inside linebackers, Thompson doesn't have a problem cycling through multiple players at those positions, and the inside linebacker position in particular should be healthier than it was last season.

The Packers have made some interesting changes on the offensive line this offseason, but outside of fourth-round pick David Bakhtiari, they haven't actually brought in anybody new. They'll move 2010 first-rounder Bryan Bulaga to left tackle, and stalwart guard Josh Sitton will join him on the left side after years of playing on the right. Despite flashes of inconsistency (particularly against the Seahawks last season), Bulaga is clearly the most talented tackle who was on the roster last season, and it makes some sense to put these two on Aaron Rodgers' blind side. The unit as a whole will be improved if 2011 first-rounder Derek Sherrod can come back from two years of injuries, but the more likely scenario is that Marshall Newhouse will be at right tackle to begin the season. That's not ideal, but at least Rodgers will have a better chance this season of being able to evade the multitude of rushers that find their way past Newhouse, since they'll now be closer to his peripheral vision. Bakhtiari is an interesting pick who could be ready to help sooner rather than later after being practically the only football player of note on a barren Colorado squad last season. Otherwise, much like the Lions, the Packers are putting their faith in their quarterback to evade the pass rush this season. Unlike the Lions, the Packers don't have a lot of personnel turnover in this unit, but, also unlike the Lions, they finished second-to-last in Adjusted Sack Rate last season.

Notable Undrafted Free Agents

Follow the money and you'll see that the most-desired Packers targets were center Travis Lewis (Texas A&M) and wide receiver Myles White (Louisiana Tech). Both received $4,500 signing bonuses and will walk into fluid depth charts, but Lewis is probably the better bet of the two because the Packers need more help at center. Bob McGinn's excellent piece on the newcomers featured this rambler of a quote by a scout on Mississippi nose tackle Gilbert Pena: "Big guy. Gonna be a nose. Not really a great player. He's a free-agent body that will get in there and bang. I don't expect him to make the team. Great kid. He may make the practice squad. They really liked him there (at Mississippi). Not really a very good player."

Seriously though, Gilbert Pena is the worst. Nice guy, though.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 31, 2013, 07:42:20 pm
Green Bay — In Casey Hayward, the Green Bay Packers see shades of Charles Woodson. The ascension of a rookie helped ease the erosion of a veteran.

"This guy has a skill set that, in the past, is very similar to Woodson," cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt Jr. said. "And that's rare."

They saw the signs throughout last season. The 5-foot-11, 192-pound Hayward led the defense in interceptions (six) and pass breakups (21) from Woodson's old spot in the slot. So now — after studying that rookie season — coaches also realize the 2012 second-round pick can crank his play-making up an octave.

In his prime, Woodson was the most cutthroat ball hawk in the game. He knew when to jump routes, how to transform from cornerback to receiver. While Hayward's sixth sense for the position resembles the future Hall of Famer, the Packers also see room to grow.

Whitt envisions Hayward being a "double-digit intercept guy," adding that he could have — no, should have — been one last year.

"He's smart, he's instinctive," defensive coordinator Dom Capers said. "You guys saw some of his strengths last year as far as taking the ball away. Guys who have football instincts and football smarts end up in the right place more often than guys who don't have those qualities."

He's in the right place at the right time. For Hayward, there's no buffering period with the ball in flight. He quickly shed the hiccup of hesitation so common in rookie defensive backs, deflecting 14 passes in his final eight games.

Hayward's challenge now is catching "the flash of the ball," Whitt said. Those tips can become picks.

"He can smell routes and see things and do things that not many people can do," Whitt said. "Now, what 'Wood' can do that he has to learn how to do is he's got to learn how to catch the flash of the ball. That's one thing 'Wood' can do better than anybody. And Casey needs to continue to improve on that."

As the coach explained, cornerbacks don't have the luxury of tracking the ball in flight like wide receivers. They can't follow the ball to their hands. Thus, outstanding peripheral vision is a must. This is one of Sam Shields' best traits, Whitt said. He peeks, sees the ball and gets his hands on it.

If Hayward blends his instincts with an ability to spot the flash of the ball, Whitt said, "now we're talking double digits."

Take Green Bay's 24-20 win at Detroit on Nov. 18, one of Hayward's best games. A high roller like Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford tees up many "flash of the ball" opportunities. Hayward picked off Stafford once but could have had more through his five breakups. A split-second quicker with his hands and Hayward would have picked off more passes last season.

Through organized team activities, this is something Hayward is working on.

"You can just see he's very comfortable out there (with) his instincts and his route recognition," coach Mike McCarthy said. "He had a couple routes he jumped today. I look for him to be a much better player in Year Two.

"Casey Hayward is just a natural football player. Obviously, all these professional athletes are very athletic and have a high level of ability and skill set. Casey is exceptional in that he makes it look really — it comes very natural to him. He's very fluid in everything he does, hand-eye coordination, excellent hands."

Translation: Do not expect the Packers to blink in contract negotiations with Shields.

From the slot position, Hayward can read the quarterback's eyes and react more freely. In nickel, Green Bay would prefer the corner stay inside. But with the restricted free agent Shields still not practicing — likely eyeing a lucrative, long-term deal instead of his one-year tender — Hayward has been the starting cornerback opposite Tramon Williams in the base defense.

Shields or no Shields, Hayward will compete for a starting spot on the outside this summer.

And considering there's also Davon House, rookie Micah Hyde, veteran Jarrett Bush and others at the position, there's no need for the Packers to break the bank for Shields. Whitt lauded this as one of the best off-seasons for his position group.

"A lot of juice. A lot of energy," Whitt said. "The guys that are here working, they're working hard and they're getting better. The attention to detail, the focus, we haven't made a lot of mistakes at all, the communication's hot. There's just a real sense of urgency and it's good to see."

Williams is aiming to fill the leadership void Woodson left behind. And the Packers would love to see Hayward mature into the takeaway fiend Woodson was at the peak of his powers. They were right to dismiss Hayward's slow 40-yard dash time of 4.57 seconds. Any lack of straight-line track speed didn't handicap Hayward as a rookie.

Whitt cited the corner's ability to catalog information at a veteran's pace and react.

"Whatever he runs, he's getting there faster than a guy who might run a 4.3 because he knows what's coming," Whitt said. "He understands it and he gets there with great anticipation. With a guy like that, you take a football player over anything else."

And with the rare reaction skills come heightened expectations.

In 2012, Hayward had six interceptions. In 2013, the Packers are looking for more.

"He left some plays out there," Whitt said. "Let's not leave those plays out there".
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 03, 2013, 05:18:15 pm
Packers take advantage of defensive lineman's versatility

By Lori Nickel of the Journal Sentinel

Green Bay — Two weeks ago, practice was tough for Green Bay Packers defensive lineman Mike Neal.

What had once been just a suggestion, almost jokingly, that he was so athletic he could play outside linebacker, suddenly became a reality when he first stepped on to the field for the first week of organized team activities.

Neal's facial expression and hesitant body language depicted a man who might not have been thrilled with the move.

But a week later, Neal said he wasn't nearly as upset.

"It was more me being lost. Geez," said Neal, almost laughing when he thought of linebackers coach Kevin Greene and his alarmed look at times. "KG, there's a lot of stuff going on!" Neal would tell him.

"I knew that they wanted me to kind of do both; it's just the variety I didn't know until I got here. One day I'm inside, one day I'm outside. One day I'm backpedaling, one day I'm sacking the quarterback. I'm still trying to figure it out for myself, really."

The fourth-year player said he was warming up to the new role and had accepted the challenge. Neal relished performing linebacker drills anyway, because he thought they were better for his feet.

"It's never been foreign to me. It's just, now we're drilling it," he said.

Neal said his new role presents new opportunities. On the defensive line, his head was down. As a linebacker, he has full vision of the field right away, which allows him to see plays develop and where the run is headed.

With a mandatory minicamp beginning Tuesday, Neal just needs time to learn it. Greene has given Neal a learning curve, he said. He doesn't yell at the mistakes, only corrects them.

"I'm like man, I messed this play up. But the cool thing is? I get the chance to understand why I messed that play up," Neal said. "It's not really frustrating. Last week a little bit; this week, not so much."

Neal also has dropped from last season's 294-pound playing weight while training in Florida.

He loves the nimbleness his lighter body affords him but would not say that he dropped weight in anticipation of moving to outside linebacker. It wasn't to fight the injury bug, either, when injuries have dogged him in the past.

Neal said he likes to be lighter at this time of year because off-season practices are all about speed and quickness rather than power and hitting.

"I'm not chugging at 300 pounds, trying to do this," said Neal. "It is something I do every off-season, I come in to every camp light. That's just part of my plan book.

"I'm light enough to play outside linebacker," he said. "I have lost a little bit. It's a big chunk of weight; I don't want to disclose it because I don't want people to say, 'he's going to get out there or move inside.'"

Feeling healthy, fit, light and agile, Neal said he is adapting to the job of covering tight ends on the run. He feels he's learned so much so quickly already, things will only get better.

"I actually don't mind covering anybody," Neal said. "I'm not the fastest guy but am I fast? I feel like if you give me 10, 15 yards, I should be able to stick with a lot of people. And I don't feel like I'm really stiff.

As of last week, Neal said he still hasn't spoken to coach Mike McCarthy about his work at linebacker, only his defensive coordinator Dom Capers and position coaches.

But he said he hasn't taken the move as anything but positive. It is a move to capitalize on his versatility. They could still rush him from the inside on the defensive line, but they think he's still athletic enough to go outside.

"That's a big compliment to me," Neal said. "I actually look at it as, they're trying to make a way for me to get on the field and make plays."

Neal called the move an experiment right now and didn't feel anything was permanent. If the experiment isn't successful, would he ask the Packers to move him back to the line?

"I'm never going to go back. I'm always going to go forward," was Neal's response. "You put a challenge in my face, and I've given up on myself? Then I don't feel I've done myself justice."

He must trust the coaches, then.

"I trust God," a smiling Neal said.

So, for now, call Neal the hybrid defensive player — part defensive lineman, part outside linebacker.

"They (Packers coaches) said: 'Well you can make plays; we've just go to put you in a position to do it,'" Neal said. 'Are you necessarily the best run defender? No, but are you bad at it? Absolutely not. But what do you do best?'"

"I think they're just trying to realize what I do best. I've always looked at myself as a defensive lineman, but I've always felt that I was athletic enough that I could move like a linebacker.

"I just look at myself as a question mark right now. Where are they going to use me? But it's a compliment and a positive thing and that's how I look at it."
     
 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 06, 2013, 07:40:49 pm
DuJuan Harris after lung surgery.

http://instagram.com/p/aLsBFGgM7J/#
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 06, 2013, 07:51:04 pm
He is very lucky it was found in time.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 10, 2013, 06:46:36 pm
Datco.             Still there.
 
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Second-year player Andrew Datko looks like an offensive linemen in the NFL is supposed to look this offseason with the Packers. He looks stronger and much more confident.

Last season, after Datko was drafted in the seventh round, the former Florida State Seminole looked unsure of himself during drills at both left and right tackle in training camp.

The reason? Datko was still not completely healed due to the shoulder injuries he had suffered at FSU, starting in his junior year. The result? The Packers ended up placing Datko on their practice squad.

Datko has taken that opportunity to spend time with the training staff and in the weight room. The new found confidence is obvious, as Datko explained in a piece done by Tom Silverstein of  the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.


You have to be healthy in mind before you go out there, so when you come back that mind has to be right. You see what people with ACLs, they favor the leg when they come back. It’s really another process to come back from an injury. It's like what (Chicago Bulls guard) Derrick Rose went through. You might be healthy, but you might still be favoring it. Trust in your injury repair is another step in the process. I’ve knocked that out.

Before his shoulder woes occurred in Tallahassee, Datko was considered a possible first-day prospect by most scouts, and a definite second-day prospect.

Right now, Datko is looking like that type of player. Time will tell if that progress will continue once the pads come on and the physical pounding starts taking place in training camp.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 10, 2013, 07:10:11 pm
Lane Taylor, OL,   6-3, 324

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Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 10, 2013, 07:25:24 pm
Here comes another GB WR to step up.

Green Bay --- Chances are, the Green Bay Packers will be counting on Jarrett Boykin --- or another young wide receiver --- at some point this coming season.

They have one of the strongest trios n the NFL at the position. Not to mention, tight end Jermichael Finley can flex wide as well. Yet in each of the last three seasons, the Packers have had a starter suffer an injury, at some point, and needed others to step up. As of now, Boykin has the inside track on being the team's No. 4 wideout.

In other offenses, that's hardly newsworthy. In Green Bay's offense, it is.

Count wide receivers coach Edgar Bennett as someone who has full confidence Boykin can step into a bigger role.

“Boykin, man, you talk about No. 1, an attention to detail type of player," Bennett said. "He’s fundamentally sound. I really like the progress Boykin has made. Obviously, he has an injury right now but he’s a tremendous player, a tremendous player. And he continues to get better. It starts in the classroom and then he goes out and gets it done on the practice field. I love his work ethic.”

Bennett was referring to an apparent leg injury Boykin suffered during OTA's last week. The injury sidelined Boykin through minicamp and, as we've mentioned on here, the Packers aren't talking about injuries.

Either way, Bennett couldn't say enough about Boykin. This time last year, the 6-foot-2, 218-pound receiver was at the very bottom of the totem pole. After going undrafted, Boykin couldn't even make the Jacksonville Jaguars' 90-man roster out of rookie camp.

When asked about this, Bennett smiled and repeated, “What’s up with that?"

The Packers did see something and Boykin beat out Tori Gurley, Diondre Borel and others to make the team. His huge, dependable hands and crisp route-running through camp and the preseason stood out.

“I’ll say this. We’re fortunate we have him," Bennett said. "I’m glad we were able to get him. He came up here and the first impression was outstanding. A young guy coming into rookie camp last year, he didn’t make any mistakes whatsoever. His attention to detail. He caught the ball well. He’s got those big hands. He caught the ball well. And besides catching the ball from his body, probably the second thing he did that jumped off the tape is he had the ability to create separation.”

The concern for Boykin out of college at Virginia Tech and then, apparently, in Jacksonville was his ability to get separation in the NFL.

Boykin finished as the Hokies all-time leading receiver, but didn't time well in pre-draft workouts. As noted by his college coach to us last summer, Boykin's hands and work ethic gave him a chance. Boykin stuck around all season. And after catching five passes for 27 yards as a rookie, he'll now have a chance at an expanded role this year.

When training camp picks up late next month, the competition resets. Green Bay drafted two wide receivers in the seventh round and Jeremy Ross returns as well.

Separation, Bennett insists, has not been a problem in Green Bay.

“All I know is that when we brought him in here, he had the ability to create separation and get open," Bennett said. "He can get open. ...You saw by way of his footwork, by way of his quickness, being physical with his hands to get off press and things like that. You see it showing up more and more. And that’s something we’ll continue to emphasize.

"That kid can play."
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 14, 2013, 07:03:58 am

 Packy,

 You have to figure out the Mark Trestman BEARS.

 I havent figured them out yet.

 I dont think Trestman has figured them out.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 15, 2013, 09:18:31 pm
It should be very interesting.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 18, 2013, 05:55:45 pm
Rodgers also hinted at some of the guys he liked so far this off-season. Wide Receivers Myles White (Louisiana Tech) and Tyrone Walker (Illinois State) were a couple of guys that drew praise from the 2011 NFL MVP. For an organization that emphasizes on drafting and developing, the Packers may have two guys there that could eventually become favorable targets of their quarterback down the line. As far as his veteran targets, Rodgers spoke highly of them as well. James Jones is coming off of a league-high 14 touchdown receptions in 2012. Opposite of Jones, Jordy Nelson is coming back from nagging hamstring injury and is looking to be ready to go in 2013...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 18, 2013, 08:29:43 pm
The roster is still 53 players and dress 45... I think those are the numbers.  Most teams carry 6 WRs on the roster.  Who stays for the Pack?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 18, 2013, 09:40:31 pm
The roster is still 53 players and dress 45... I think those are the numbers.  Most teams carry 6 WRs on the roster.  Who stays for the Pack?

 Fuuuuck ... who stays for DAA BEARRSSE ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 19, 2013, 03:25:35 pm
The roster is still 53 players and dress 45... I think those are the numbers.  Most teams carry 6 WRs on the roster.  Who stays for the Pack?

Five or six WRs for the Pack.  Probably depends upon whether or not  WR Ross remains as returner.

My guess on WR names: Cobb, Jones, Nelson, Boykin, for sure.  Charles Johnson , Kevin Dorsey, Alex Gillette and Myles White will probably have one or two of them on the roster and one or two on Practice Squad.

Rodgers says he is  particularly impressed by Johnson and White.  White was a QB converted to WR and Johnson is from Illinois State.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 21, 2013, 01:41:54 am

 Packy,

 I'm thinking for DAA BEARRSSE we are looking at two Bennetts ... one a TE.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 22, 2013, 07:17:43 pm
The Bears OL will definitely be better this season than last, IMO.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 26, 2013, 03:47:46 pm
Ryan from Platteville, WI

Hey Mike, when you filled in for Vic a while back you answered a question regarding the Big M. Are you from Platteville? If so, what's your favorite Platteville memory?

That’s my hometown. My favorite memory was chasing after Jim McMahon on his motor scooter as he cruised around the college campus during Bears training camp, and when I finally cornered him for an autograph, he pretended to fall off the scooter and injure his wrist, claiming there was no way he could sign. When I just smiled and laughed, rather than throw the fit he might have been expecting from an undersized 12-year-old, he grabbed my pen and signed, then patted me on the head and said, “Take it easy, kid.” It wasn’t Mean Joe Greene with a Coke bottle and jersey, but I’ll take it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 26, 2013, 06:49:53 pm
Ryan from Platteville, WI

Hey Mike, when you filled in for Vic a while back you answered a question regarding the Big M. Are you from Platteville? If so, what's your favorite Platteville memory?

That’s my hometown. My favorite memory was chasing after Jim McMahon on his motor scooter as he cruised around the college campus during Bears training camp, and when I finally cornered him for an autograph, he pretended to fall off the scooter and injure his wrist, claiming there was no way he could sign. When I just smiled and laughed, rather than throw the fit he might have been expecting from an undersized 12-year-old, he grabbed my pen and signed, then patted me on the head and said, “Take it easy, kid.” It wasn’t Mean Joe Greene with a Coke bottle and jersey, but I’ll take it.


 Are BEARS players nice to wisconsin kids during training camp or what ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 26, 2013, 07:33:00 pm
Should the Packers trade Jermichael Finley to the Patriots?

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Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 27, 2013, 04:41:47 am
I think God wants Tebow to play tight end for the Patriots.    Gronkowski has five surgeries in the offseason and Hernandez is charged with murder and now off the team.  He is ascending as we speak...

But Finley would be a nice addition
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 27, 2013, 02:44:05 pm
Grizz, you nailed it. The door has flung WIDE open for Tebow in Patsland right now. Mr. Tebow, here is the TE position on a silver plate....and you're welcome. -God
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on June 27, 2013, 07:37:47 pm
Just because Tebow has the size, can he even play TE?  Can he catch and run routes?  Does anyone even know?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 28, 2013, 06:04:52 am
Boogie - I'd be careful what you say about Tebow.... just saying you know "who" is listening   ;)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 28, 2013, 09:20:41 am

Just because Tebow has the size, can he even play TE?  Can he catch and run routes?  Does anyone even know?

Do the Pats want him to play TE, and more importantly, does Tebow want to play TE?

(IMHO, Tebow is the second coming of Bobby Douglass...similar size, lefties, strong runner and erratic passing...and both should have been played LB, TE or FB)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on June 29, 2013, 06:35:14 am
Dallas,

Normally I find your opinions well based on observations and facts.  However your defining Tebow as an erratic passer baffled me.  So I looked up the definition to make sure I was understanding the word properly.

Adjective
Not even or regular in pattern or movement; unpredictable.

Synonyms
unsteady - irregular - unstable

I highly disagree Tebow is an erratic passer. Below is a table of a few big name Qb's that have come into the league.
Six Big-Name College Quarterbacks
Player   Comp.   Att.   Pct.   Yards   YPA   TD   INT   Rating*
Player A   851   1,354   62.85   11,201   8.27   90   33   100.93
Player B   825   1,232   66.96   8,772   7.12   76   37   95.60
Player C   841   1,383   60.81   10,286   7.44   84   36   93.15
Player D   493   797   61.86   6,625   8.31   52   21   99.04
Player E   564   986   57.20   7,731   7.84   51   33   85.72
Player F   661   985   67.11   9,286   9.43   88   15   120.72
* Using the NFL formula for passer rating, not the NCAA formula


Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/kerry_byrne/03/22/tim.tebow/index.html#ixzz2XbToCi1P

Which one is erratic?  The one with the highest QB rating?  The guy with the fewest INT to TD ratio?  But Tebow did throw the ball down the field in college right?  Only safe dump off passes right?  Oops maybe the same guy with the highest YPA.

Erratic, Erratic??  Sorry but as a Gator alumni and huge fan who saw just about every game the guy played I can't stand when someone talks about Tebow when they really don't know what they are talking about.

He may not have a great delivery, but erratic he is not.  More like very accurate.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 29, 2013, 02:01:10 pm
So, I guess the experts were correct and statistics don't always mean much.  College football does not equal NFL football.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 01, 2013, 09:57:21 am

Hey, I like Tebow and would like to seem him succeed but  let's look at the NFL numbers for Tebow.

His career NFL completion percentage is 47.9%...

I will give him credit for not throwing many interceptions but he's not throwing very many completions either.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 01, 2013, 12:15:21 pm
Does anyone even know if Tebow can catch the ball?

Just cause he's built like a TE doesn't mean he could succeed there.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on July 01, 2013, 01:26:43 pm
if I were going to pick up Tebow, I would have a QB coach teach him the correct mechanics and he would throw about 1000 passes a day until it was muscle memory.

Belicheck might just have Tebow so he can prepare for the running QBs of the world.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 01, 2013, 01:29:57 pm

Before you answer the question can Tebow catch the ball you have to ask Tebow if he wants to catch the ball - he might be dead set against playing any position except QB.  But given the TE situation in NE I'd bet Belichek is thinking about it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on July 01, 2013, 01:35:29 pm
I would hope that Tebow was unemployed long enough to have a lot of time to consider that he might need to be open to different possibilities.
You have gotta think that he loves the game (and the paychecks) enough to do whatever they want.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 01, 2013, 01:55:18 pm

I think Tebow has enough money now and the potential for future earnings outside of football that he could just walk away if he was forced to do something he didn't want to do.

Do you really think this guy is motivated by a paycheck?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on July 01, 2013, 02:51:31 pm
no, I don't think Tebow is motivated by a paycheck but I think him being an NFL football player and that paycheck will allow him to further his other opportunities to speak to speak to people.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 01, 2013, 03:31:20 pm
If I recall correctly, Marc Trestman spent a lot of time with Tebow prepping him for the draft...  as a QB.

The fact that Trestman didn't so much as give Tebow a tryout with the Bears tells me that at least person who could be considered an expert on the topic, doesn't think Tebow has the stuff.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on July 01, 2013, 07:06:32 pm
It is possible Trestman said he wouldn't mind working with Tebow and Emery said no way.  We will never know.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on July 02, 2013, 12:36:56 pm
Quote
The fact that Trestman didn't so much as give Tebow a tryout with the Bears tells me that at least person who could be considered an expert on the topic, doesn't think Tebow has the stuff.

Or maybe he thinks Tebow has the stuff to be a starter in the league and he feels that he has enough bitten off to chew on in his first year as a head coach that he didn't want to take on the extra burden of resurecting Tebow's dead career possibilities.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 05, 2013, 11:59:32 pm

 Tim Tebow when signed with another team ... has no interest to us anymore.

 Lets check this out for a minute ... Forte ... Bush.

 Its evolved into an air happy game, about fuucking time we caught up.

 The beauty of it is we have two stud RB's ... where can we go with a pass happy offense and two RB's?

 If things go as planned we have the overneath ... and the underneath. Think about it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 06, 2013, 01:42:02 pm
I would love to see Tebow on the packers roster IF he were trying out at TE.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 08, 2013, 04:00:02 pm
I would love to see Tebow on the packers roster IF he were trying out at TE.

 We're sneaking up on you Packy.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 08, 2013, 06:04:28 pm
Don't be sneaky, now.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 08, 2013, 06:31:41 pm
Don't be sneaky, now.

 We could get Tebow after he's cut.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 25, 2013, 02:18:26 pm
Looks like the Vikings got rid of this clown just in time...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/25/harvin-launches-seahawks-career-on-pup-list/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/25/harvins-hip-injury-could-require-surgery/

As for the Seahawks...  LMAO.  Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 06, 2013, 07:24:38 pm
For the second time in two years, the Green Bay Packers saw one of their key players lost for the season early in training camp.

Last year, the Packers lost inside linebacker Desmond Bishop for the year (torn hamstring) in the first preseason game versus the San Diego Chargers.

This year, at the Family Night scrimmage of all things, the Packers lost left tackle Bryan Bulaga for the season apparently, due to a torn ACL. Bulaga is getting a second opinion to determine the severity of the injury.

In losing Bishop last year, the Packers lost their most physical defensive player, who was coming off his best season in the NFL. Even with his injury, the Packers were able to improve from being ranked 32nd in total defense in 2011 to 11th in total defense last season.

But the loss of Bishop was very apparent in the 45-31 loss to the San Francisco 49ers in the playoffs last year, as the Niners had 579 total yards, including a whopping 323 yards on the ground.

This year, the Packers had made a major move regarding their offensive line by moving both Bulaga and guard Josh Sitton to the left side of the line, after playing their entire careers on the right side.

The move was made for a number of reasons.

One, the starting left tackle the last two seasons, Marshall Newhouse, had given up 24.5 sacks just by himself.

Secondly, the left side of the line is the blind side of quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers just happens to be the face of the Green Bay franchise and is the highest paid player in the NFL, thanks to his fantastic production the last few seasons.

Finally, the Packers saw Bulaga and Sitton as their two best offensive lineman.

But all those plans for 2013 are already compromised thanks to the injury to Bulaga. So, what to do now?

Head coach Mike McCarthy could play either Newhouse again at left tackle, or he could put rookie David Bakhtiari there, as he has had a very impressive start at training camp, both at left tackle and right tackle. Bakhtiari played both positions at Colorado in college.

If it was me, I would place Bakhtiari at left tackle, as McCarthy already knows about the track record of Newhouse at left tackle the past two seasons. Not only was Newhouse not reliable at times protecting Rodgers, he was also considered a soft run blocker.



Hi-res-7420686_crop_exactBenny Sieu-USA TODAY Sports


Bakhtiari was considered a good run blocker at Colorado, and he did very well in pass protection as well. He is showing those same characteristics at camp this year.

If Bulaga had not been injured, it was starting to look like Bakhtiari was pulling ahead of Newhouse to become the starting right tackle. Now it looks like Newhouse will be the starter there, as second-year offensive lineman Andrew Datko has not been very effective so far in camp this summer, even though he appears to be healthy and stronger...

(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/001/001/697/hi-res-7420686_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=431&q=85)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 06, 2013, 07:29:36 pm
Second round draft choice, Clifton, was forced to start at LT as a rookie because of an injury and did very well.  That same year seventh round draft choice Tauscher was forced to start at RT because of an injury.  He also did very well. 

You never know.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 06, 2013, 07:39:12 pm
New news:

Jason Wilde  @jasonjwilde 
 
"Bryan wants to give it a go... He doesn't even look like he's injured. It's one of those plays you don't really understand."

Jason Wilde  @jasonjwilde 
 
McCarthy, asked by @RobDemovsky if Bulaga could play with a torn ACL: "The decision hasn't been finalized. He's looking at all his options."


11:20 AM - 6 Aug 2013



11:17 AM - 6 Aug 2013
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 06, 2013, 08:12:42 pm
That is not a good idea.  It just shows how desperate they are.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 06, 2013, 08:48:45 pm
And they are also having injury issues with Cobb and Jordy Nelson right now.

I bet they still beat the Bears at least once this year though. Especially if our O keeps looking as bad as they've been in practices.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on August 06, 2013, 09:14:21 pm
"Practice. We're talking about practice".  Sums it up say I. Why the amount of championships that young man......oh wait.  The 46 is edging closer to his big red panic button. Everything has been geared to JCut.  And now..... ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 07, 2013, 07:44:37 am
From what I hear from multiple training camp observers, our pass offense has been inconsistent at best and struggles mightily when Marshall isn't in there (and sometimes, even when he is).  More concerning is the fact that the OL has not been able to jell due to injuries, and in general does not seem to have improved a great deal (although Kyle Long has been justifying his 1st round selection with both his physical ability and intangibles).  Our DL (which is a good unit but no better than others we'll face this season) has been having their way with them pretty regularly. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 07, 2013, 03:51:05 pm
McCarthy says he is satisfied that Bakhtiari can do the job at LT.  Others have also commented that they feel comfortable with him at LT.  I really believe that he will become the next Chad Clifton.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/daZhk?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=green-bay-packers

Cobb is good to go and Jordy Nelson ias expected to be ready for gameone.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 07, 2013, 04:21:02 pm
IIRC the knock on Backhtiari was that he was a bit short-armed (and undersized overall) as NFL OTs go.  6'4 300 is not prototype T dimensions, more like a zone blocking OG or even a C these days.

In any event, if he's their LT he has his work cut out for him (and so does the Pack's OL coach) with the DE talent in this division.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 07, 2013, 05:06:49 pm
You are right on both counts.  There are some terrific pass rushers in the NFCN.

Bakhtiari has all of the pre-requisites for a good LT except he is a bit light in the shorts.  He needs to win with technique to succeed.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 07, 2013, 05:08:33 pm
I can imagine a set of circumstances that would result in Bulaga gone from GB in 2014.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 09, 2013, 01:47:07 am

 Geez packy you guys went apeshiit on RB's in the draft and we had to counter with LB's that wernt even in the equation.

 I KNOW ... DAA BEARRSSE are going to be a mystery team, didnt expect it from G.B. also.

 Is there a team in the NFC NORTH that can handle the other NFC Divisions ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 09, 2013, 10:17:55 pm
We shall soon see, my friend.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 10, 2013, 12:31:57 pm
Harrell struggles, Bakhtiari shines in Packers preseason opener.

We just  may   have   found our   long   awaited  LT   starter.  Go Bakhtiari.
 
The    next   man   up   in  GB.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on August 11, 2013, 07:39:39 pm
Doubts about Wilfs complicate final Vikings stadium negotiations (http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/219138301.html)

Gov. Mark Dayton’s harsh review of the Minnesota Vikings’ owners’ new legal troubles in New Jersey is igniting fresh concerns about the state’s agreement with them and threatens to complicate the entire project in the closing days before final contracts are signed for the $975 million publicly funded facility.

“Everybody is on high alert that this is going to be looked at under a fine microscope,” said Minnesota Sports Facilities Authority Board Member Duane Benson, a former legislator and NFL linebacker. “The governor is not going to, nor are we going to, treat this lightly. A lot of legislators will be watching this very closely, as well we should.”

The sudden blowup is emerging as stadium authority board members and team officials are finalizing a critical menu of details, such as who will control stadium construction, pay for cost overruns and set terms for the seat licensing deals for fans. All the details must be worked out over the next two weeks, before the state sells taxpayer-backed bonds to pay its share.  The new doubts about the Wilfs intensify pressure on stadium negotiators to come away with the best possible deal and perhaps press for added concessions or assurances.  In recent days, the project became swamped with new questions after a New Jersey judge said the Vikings owners, real estate moguls Zygi and Mark Wilf, committed fraud, breach of contract and violations of the state’s civil racketeering statute in a 20-year-old real-estate partnership.

“The bad faith and evil motive were demonstrated in the testimony of Zygi Wilf himself,” Superior Court Judge Deanne Wilson said in a New Jersey Star-Ledger report.

Dayton said Friday the lawsuit should change the state’s approach in the final days before the deal is sealed.

“The judge’s decision means the stadium authority’s legal counsel and their financial advisers need to renew their due diligence and really go back and review the representations made by the team and by the owners,” he said. “It’s very distressing.”

As Dayton demands deeper scrutiny, the Wilf family and the National Football League are working to assure the state that the project is on track.  The Wilfs and team officials spent the last part of the week asserting that the legal troubles in New Jersey have no bearing on the stadium agreement or their ability to fulfill their financial commitment.

“This civil lawsuit will have absolutely no impact on the stadium project,” the Wilfs said in a statement. “The Vikings’ guarantee of $477 million in private financing has gone through two years of review and due diligence by our public partners … The funding is secure.”

Some lawmakers, who were already skeptical that the state drove a hard enough bargain, are renewing calls for state leaders to walk away — or at least take time to cool off and take a tougher look at the stadium agreement.

“I don’t think we’re at the point of no return,” said Rep. Kelby Woodard, R-Belle Plaine, assistant House minority leader and a supporter of the original stadium deal in 2012. “If the Wilfs aren’t able to live up to their obligations, the deal is off.”
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on August 11, 2013, 10:39:52 pm
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/kwwrg/NFCNorth_zps59ca65cb.jpg) (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/kwwrg/media/NFCNorth_zps59ca65cb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 11, 2013, 11:17:28 pm
LOL!!!

That **** is funny.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 11, 2013, 11:18:21 pm
Personally I would have gone with a big fat guy in a wife beater with his belly hanging out instead of a women but that is just me...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 12, 2013, 12:14:11 am

 Hey Duck its funny until you realize who keeps taking the Division almost every year.  >:(

 Those Packy jr. guys go and draft RB's in tandems and that fuucks up our game plan because now we have to counter with LB's.

 Which should never have happened in the first place.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on August 12, 2013, 12:37:47 pm
I'm afraid Lacy is going to be a beast...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 12, 2013, 03:24:04 pm
Lacy...  maybe.

But his last two predecessors in college (Ingram and Richardson) were supposed to light up the NFL too, and that hasn't really happened. In fact a lot of Saban's boys have not met expectations at the next level if not even being flat-out busts  (Rolando McClain, Andre Smith, Terrence Cody).

And I say this as a guy who watches a lot of Bama football every year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on August 12, 2013, 03:30:16 pm
Ingram went to a pass-first offense...Richardson went to a pass-not at all offense.

We'll see...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 12, 2013, 03:36:38 pm
The other thing is, it seems like Bama players wind up getting injured a lot once they get into the NFL.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 12, 2013, 06:37:49 pm
The other thing is, it seems like Bama players wind up getting injured a lot once they get into the NFL.


Now that does worry me.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 12, 2013, 06:43:36 pm
Franklin and Cobb are both guys you have to worry about catching a pass and running effectively with it.   Keep a close eye on them when they are both in the lineup at the same time in special formations  along with Finley, Jones and Nelson.   Five guys for Rodgers to choose from.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 13, 2013, 01:25:14 pm
Posted by Josh Alper on August 13, 2013, 12:16 PM EDT

Desmond BishopAP
When Desmond Bishop signed with the Vikings, a common response was to wonder whether or not he’d take over the middle linebacker job from Erin Henderson.

Henderson has maintained his grip on the job and now the question around Bishop is whether or not he’ll wind up making the 53-man roster in Minnesota at all. Bishop missed the preseason opener with a groin injury after missing all of last season with a torn hamstring, which left coach Leslie Frazier to say that he needs Bishop to prove he can stay on the field if the team is going to keep him around in the regular season...

Looking like a  good decision by Thompson.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 16, 2013, 08:28:57 pm
Posted by Josh Alper on August 13, 2013, 12:16 PM EDT

Desmond BishopAP
When Desmond Bishop signed with the Vikings, a common response was to wonder whether or not he’d take over the middle linebacker job from Erin Henderson.

Henderson has maintained his grip on the job and now the question around Bishop is whether or not he’ll wind up making the 53-man roster in Minnesota at all. Bishop missed the preseason opener with a groin injury after missing all of last season with a torn hamstring, which left coach Leslie Frazier to say that he needs Bishop to prove he can stay on the field if the team is going to keep him around in the regular season...

Looking like a  good decision by Thompson.

 Packy basically fuuk that noise,

 the fun times are coming up with Packers drafting RB and BEARS drafting LB.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 23, 2013, 06:54:12 pm
The Lions are still a very undisciplined team.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1747713-lions-de-willie-young-taunts-tom-brady-during-preseason-game-with-finger-wag?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 24, 2013, 05:50:36 pm
 
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/462/070/vy_crop_north.jpg?w=340&h=234&q=75)

The Green Bay Packers have, arguably, the best quarterback in the NFL with field general Aaron Rodgers. Behind the 2011 MVP, however, is uncertainty, with Graham Harrell and Vince Young competing for the backup role.

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Young has won the job and Harrell has been released.

FINALLY!   ;-)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 24, 2013, 05:58:55 pm
I hope no one else wasted time watching the fiasco in GB. 

Must have been frustrating for obnoxious Pete Carroll watching his starters score 3 points sin over a full half a game plus.

 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 25, 2013, 07:46:50 pm
I hope no one else wasted time watching the fiasco in GB. 

Must have been frustrating for obnoxious Pete Carroll watching his starters score 3 points sin over a full half a game plus.
 

 Yknow Packy,

 Our LB's did better then your RBs.

 Get ready for the Trestman era.

 We dont know what its going to be either.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 26, 2013, 04:31:24 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/26/no-ligament-damage-for-kevin-williams/

I saw this play last night and the low block that San Fran player put on him was intentional, blatant and extremely dirty.  THAT's the kind of thing that should be drawing a $21K fine, not the clean hit Bostic made last week.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 26, 2013, 06:13:21 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/26/no-ligament-damage-for-kevin-williams/

I saw this play last night and the low block that San Fran player put on him was intentional, blatant and extremely dirty.  THAT's the kind of thing that should be drawing a $21K fine, not the clean hit Bostic made last week.

 A fine could still happen Yap.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on September 01, 2013, 01:07:06 pm
From the Trib (Biggs)

The Chicago Bears released tackle J’Marcus Webb on Friday in the first phase of their final roster cuts, but they will see him again soon.  Webb was claimed on waivers by the Minnesota Vikings, according to an NFL source, meaning he will be back at Soldier Field as a visitor in Week 2 of the regular season.  Webb started 44 games over the previous two seasons at both tackle positions and the Vikings apparently are in need of a swing tackle. Webb, 25, is healthy but the new Bears’ coaching staff tired of his inconsistent performances.  The Bears demoted Webb to the second team after the first preseason game and slashed his base salary from $1.323 million to $630,000. Because the Vikings claimed Webb, they will inherit his contract. That means he will earn the minimum of $630,000 with the Vikings with a chance to get back to $1.323 million through playing time incentives.  Webb will be a backup behind left tackle Matt Kalil and right tackle Phil Loadholt.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 01, 2013, 10:43:09 pm

 Would I gaurentee a WIN at GREEN BAY ?

 Fuukin maybe. I know that Lacy is going to be there and we have the LB's to stop him.

 Ill jack up Bostic on his ass all day long.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2013, 10:45:25 pm
If they are wanitng info on our offense from Webb I am guessing they are going to come up empty or misinformed.  The guy obviously had no clue what he was supposed to be doing in it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 01, 2013, 10:48:44 pm
If they are wanitng info on our offense from Webb I am guessing they are going to come up empty or misinformed.  The guy obviously had no clue what he was supposed to be doing in it.

 Duck,

 A seventh round draft pick from the last regime bro ...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2013, 02:25:35 am
f they are wanitng info on our offense from Webb I am guessing they are going to come up empty or misinformed.  The guy obviously had no clue what he was supposed to be doing in it.

If signing players off your division rival's scrap heap provided any value then the Bears' should be signing ex-Packers.

Offenses have too many options and variations and change week to week.   And regardless of the play call it's all about execution.

Vikings saw film of Webb lining up against Jared Allen twice last year - so they saw something.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 02, 2013, 02:49:44 am
They play us early.  They wanted info. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 02, 2013, 03:42:09 am
Webb is just horrific. I watched over and over a few plays of his this past game....he was just...bad. I mean BAD! One in particular sticks in my head. Bears run a sweep left. Webb, slow footed as he is, gets up and doesn't get his guy sealed off on the right side. He slants in, pushes Webb right out of the way and makes the play. Webb proceeds to 'appear' like he was bowled over and falls down. It looked ridiculous. SO glad he's gone....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 02, 2013, 04:24:29 am
Web sucks!  Glad he is gone!

Wish he could have gotten it together but the guy is as dumb as a rock.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 02, 2013, 08:58:02 am
Webb didnt even know his own blocking assignments, much less the rest of our offense. I'm not worried.

He is a big guy with long arms and experience, who is still young and really hasnt been injured at all. Those attributes alone will buy him at least one more chance. I'm surprised a division rival claimed him but not surprised somebody did.

Kalil and Loadholt are solid. Doubt he even sees the field Sept 15.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on September 02, 2013, 12:25:03 pm
If they are wanitng info on our offense from Webb I am guessing they are going to come up empty or misinformed.  The guy obviously had no clue what he was supposed to be doing in it.

I doubt the Vikes signed him and pay him close to 700,000 then around a mil next season just to get the Bears offense from him.

Why does people think teams sign ex-Bears simply to learn our offense is beyond me.   Could it be the Vikings actually need a swing tackle?   It's quite possible!!!  :)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on September 02, 2013, 12:25:51 pm
f they are wanitng info on our offense from Webb I am guessing they are going to come up empty or misinformed.  The guy obviously had no clue what he was supposed to be doing in it.

If signing players off your division rival's scrap heap provided any value then the Bears' should be signing ex-Packers.

Offenses have too many options and variations and change week to week.   And regardless of the play call it's all about execution.


Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2013, 10:37:40 pm

I watched Webb play every game over the 3 seasons and formed my opinions based on his performance between the lines, not on his social media presence or perceived personality flaws etc.

Now I must admit I didn't get to see many of the PS games nor did I see him in practice and maybe his play or possibly focus wasn't all there in training camp or PS which contributed to him being cut.

But here's what Emery had to say about Webb and his recent play and play last season where he started all 16 games at the most difficult position on the offensive line:

“Coming into this fall, we were very optimistic that he was going to be our starting right tackle and would continue to improve as a player,” Emery explained Monday during a news conference at Halas Hall. “He never gained the consistency, that sufficient level of consistency that we want out of our players, so at the end his performance wasn’t to our expectation level that we felt we needed to move forward with it.”

“Really, for J’Marcus, he had played, I will say that 14 out of the 16 games last year he was sufficient or better,” Emery said. “He had a lot of good games in that we grade sufficient, good, very good. Fourteen out of those 16, they were at least at the sufficient level, which you can win with that player and his performance on that particular day. Two of them were below that line. The obvious games were the first Green Bay game and the San Francisco game.”

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 02, 2013, 10:41:18 pm
I watched Webb play every game over the 3 seasons and formed my opinions based on his performance between the lines, not on his social media presence or perceived personality flaws etc.

Now I must admit I didn't get to see many of the PS games nor did I see him in practice and maybe his play or possibly focus wasn't all there in training camp or PS which contributed to him being cut.

But here's what Emery had to say about Webb and his recent play and play last season where he started all 16 games at the most difficult position on the offensive line:

“Coming into this fall, we were very optimistic that he was going to be our starting right tackle and would continue to improve as a player,” Emery explained Monday during a news conference at Halas Hall. “He never gained the consistency, that sufficient level of consistency that we want out of our players, so at the end his performance wasn’t to our expectation level that we felt we needed to move forward with it.”

“Really, for J’Marcus, he had played, I will say that 14 out of the 16 games last year he was sufficient or better,” Emery said. “He had a lot of good games in that we grade sufficient, good, very good. Fourteen out of those 16, they were at least at the sufficient level, which you can win with that player and his performance on that particular day. Two of them were below that line. The obvious games were the first Green Bay game and the San Francisco game.”



 DAL,

 You do realize we are talking about a seventh round draft pick from the angelo era dont you ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2013, 10:44:29 pm
Webb didnt even know his own blocking assignments, much less the rest of our offense. I'm not worried.

He played LT last season, and was switched to RT in training camp.  Then after the first game he's switched back to LT.   This was not the same system he  had played in the prior 3 years.

Wish he could have gotten it together but the guy is as dumb as a rock.

Do you know the guy personally?  Maybe he has some focus issues, possibly ADD, but I don't know the guy.

Kalil and Loadholt are solid. Doubt he even sees the field Sept 15.

Ya think?  (Guys get injured and often times the 3rd tackle plays on goal line and special teams).
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2013, 10:46:09 pm
They play us early.  They wanted info. 

And hear what Emery had to say about that misconception:

Emery said he isn’t overly concerned with Webb providing the Vikings with information that would give them an upper hand in the NFC North rivalry.


“There’s only so many secrets in this league,” Emery said. “There’s a lot of tape. So I don’t know about secrets. Secrets in this league are things that haven’t been on tape yet that people are working on (that) are going to show up in that particular game as far as an adjustment. I don’t know if we’ve gotten that far in our game planning for J’Marcus to be able to share those. I’m sure he’ll share some basics, just like what is natural. We’ll always ask the basics (when we get a new player). But really, it’s being able to be well coached and make adjustments within a game that helps produce wins from a coaching aspect.”
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2013, 10:50:09 pm

Unbelievable - the Bears just signed J-Webb:

The Chicago Bears filled out their practice squad Monday morning when they announced the signing of offensive tackle Jamaal Johnson-Webb.

Johnson-Webb, a four-year starter at Alabama A&M, had been with the Arizona Cardinals as an undrafted free agent. He is the eighth player on the practice squad and the only offensive lineman as the Bears are carrying nine on the 53-man roster.

Johnson-Webb, 6-foot-6, 306 pounds, was an All-SWAC performer as a senior at Alabama A&M.

The Bears have four offensive tackles on the 53-man roster: starters Jermon Bushrod and Jordan Mills and reserves Jonathan Scott and Eben Britton. Scott is still working his way back from arthroscopic surgery on his right knee. Britton has the flexibility to play inside at guard


I figured the Bears were short an offensive lineman on the PS but this guy's name made me LOL.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 02, 2013, 10:52:06 pm

 Lets move on from the past .
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 16, 2013, 02:04:03 am

 After TWO weeks whos in first place ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 16, 2013, 08:58:18 am
NFC NORTH

1. BEARS 2-0, (1-0 Division), arrow pointing sideways;  Bears have 2 comeback wins by a combined total of 4 points; undefeated and currently on top of the division but clearly not playing at the level of other undefeated teams like the Broncos and Seahawks; the Bears need a solid, start-to-finish win to establish their legitimacy and a primetime game against the Steelers next weekend would be a great place to do it

2. Packers 1-1 (0-0 Division), arrow pointing up; anyone thinking Aaron Rodgers is still not a top 3 QB in the league wasn't paying attention yesterday; they took out a frustrating loss to the Niners on the Redskins yesterday, making the Skins look like a JV team in the process

3. Lions 1-1 (1-0 Division) arrow pointing down; the Lions are not as good as their Week 1 win over the Vikings seemed to indicate...  which they proved that by p*ssing a win down their legs yesterday against a very average Cardinals team

4. Vikings 0-2, (0-2 Division), arrow pointing sideways; moral victories don't count in the NFL but the Vikings and especially Ponder regained much respect yesterday by collecting 4 turnovers from the Bears and forcing the game down to the wire on the road; they may still wind up in the cellar but they won't be going there without a fight
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2013, 09:12:35 pm
Does anyone have an opinion on WR Jennings performance with the Vikings?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 16, 2013, 09:41:31 pm
He was very good, IMO. Good acquisition for the Queens....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 16, 2013, 09:47:11 pm
Still a quality player.  But with Ponder throwing to him he will not abe a star.

He would still be hell on wheels as a Packer but they went younger for cheaper. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 16, 2013, 10:18:37 pm
Does anyone have an opinion on WR Jennings performance with the Vikings?

 Packy he does have some kind of wheels.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 17, 2013, 09:03:21 pm
Thanks for the comments on Jennings.  I truly wanted to know.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 19, 2013, 08:07:01 pm
t's Thursday afternoon, and you know what that means: your APC authors have submitted our picks for this weekend's NFL games. This week has a number of challenging games to pick, and we are more evenly split on more games than in previous weeks.

Don't forget to check out the APC Fan Pick'em contest, run by mike_o, and submit your picks for this week's games to see how you stack up against the authors. I'll say that based on my performance over the past two weeks, if you're not beating me you're not trying hard enough.

Game Tex Jason Josh Tony Dan Eric VCF
Chiefs @ Eagles  KC PHI PHI PHI KC PHI PHI
Texans @ Ravens  HOU BAL BAL BAL BAL HOU HOU
Giants @ Panthers  NYG NYG CAR NYG NYG CAR NYG
Lions @ Redskins  WAS WAS WAS DET WAS WAS DET
Chargers @ Titans  SD SD TEN SD TEN TEN TEN
Cardinals @ Saints  NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Buccaneers @ Patriots  NE NE NE NE NE NE NE
Packers @ Bengals  GB GB GB GB GB GB GB
Rams @ Cowboys  DAL DAL DAL DAL DAL DAL DAL
Browns @ Vikings  MIN MIN MIN MIN MIN MIN MIN
Falcons @ Dolphins  ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL MIA ATL
Bills @ Jets  BUF NYJ BUF BUF BUF NYJ NYJ
Colts @ 49ers  SF SF SF SF SF SF SF
Jaguars @ Seahawks  SEA SEA SEA SEA SEA SEA SEA
Bears @ Steelers  CHI CHI CHI CHI PIT CHI CHI
Raiders @ Broncos  DEN DEN
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 21, 2013, 10:33:19 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/21/suh-had-another-cheap-shot-on-sunday/

When is this guy going to get suspended for multiple games?  It is the only way he will learn.  Even then I am not sure he gets it.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 23, 2013, 04:37:32 pm
I hope Slauson, Garza and Long are getting ready to strap it on against Suh.  Someone needs to take him down a few pegs and believe it or not, I think we've finally got the players up front that could do it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 23, 2013, 05:00:51 pm

The operative word is players...we don't have anyone that can take him on single handed. 

Long might get a few chances.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 24, 2013, 09:31:29 am
IIRC at some point shortly after the draft an article came out saying that Kyle Long was drafted with Suh in mind.  I can't recall if that was just the writer's theory or something Emery had directly said himself, though. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 25, 2013, 02:24:05 am

 BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH ...

 you are 3-0.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 25, 2013, 07:20:27 pm
Do like the guys did in the 30s and 40s.  Gang up on a play and break something.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 25, 2013, 08:00:30 pm
Slauson put Brian Cushing out for a year with a chop block. So he knows how to get er done.

Just sayin.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 26, 2013, 02:13:12 am

 Hey do you want to get rid of concussions ?

 Get rid of the plastic football helmets and go back to leather helmets.

 Then lets see sombody lead with a helmet.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 26, 2013, 09:17:09 am
Slauson put Brian Cushing out for a year with a chop block. So he knows how to get er done.

DeCastro put out his own teammate Pouncey with a similar hit.  Maybe we could talk to Idonije?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 26, 2013, 03:11:14 pm
Hey do you want to get rid of concussions ?

 Get rid of the plastic football helmets and go back to leather helmets.

 Then lets see sombody lead with a helmet.

Unfortunately, the plastic helmet is dear to the hearts of NFL folks because they are so pretty/
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 27, 2013, 09:22:56 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/27/matt-cassel-will-start-for-vikings/

All I can say to Vikings fans is...  careful what you wish for.

I had the "opportunity" to see Cassel in several Chiefs games and he is brutal.  Anyone thinking Matt Cassel is an upgrade over Ponder is in for a rude shock.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 27, 2013, 10:24:59 am

If Ponder is hurt they really don't have any choice - assuming of course he's really hurt.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 27, 2013, 10:36:50 am
Watching Ponder the last couple of weeks and Sam Bradford last night makes me REALLY glad we have Cutler.  And really hoping he can stay healthy this year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on September 27, 2013, 01:45:24 pm
This (http://www.bearshistory.com/lore/chicagobearsquarterbacks.aspx) makes me REALLY glad the Bears have Cutler...assuming that Trestman continues to minimize the "bad Jay" moments. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 28, 2013, 09:21:11 pm
I do believe Cassel is a 'upgrade' over Ponder. And I think you'll see their offense moving a bit more efficiently. Ponder just didn't have 'it'. Not sure why he was starting for them.....not saying Cassel is anything, but he's better than Ponder!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on September 28, 2013, 09:27:34 pm
what I've seen of Ponder he wasn't that bad. Not the strongest arm but I've seen a lot worse.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 29, 2013, 03:53:59 am

 I posted this on the FFL  :

 Started Kaepernick  ... if I had started Ponder  ... JJ would be 3-0.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 29, 2013, 05:55:30 am
JJ - That is crazy, although that trend would have changed this week with Ponder on the bench, and K-nick having a good game Thursday
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 29, 2013, 06:16:04 am
JJ - That is crazy, although that trend would have changed this week with Ponder on the bench, and K-nick having a good game Thursday

 G34,

 **** happens baby.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 29, 2013, 08:27:50 pm
Vikes got their first win today under Cassel who threw for 250 and 2 TD's. Boy those Steelers are having a nightmare season and Greene from their classic era just passed away.....not a good time to be a Steeler fan....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on September 29, 2013, 08:38:12 pm
Greenwood, not Greene
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 29, 2013, 08:52:24 pm
Ohhh, I'd heard it was Mean Joe!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 30, 2013, 01:10:30 pm
NFC NORTH Week 4

1. Lions 3-1 (2-0 division) - Surprise early leaders of the division with big-time momentum after dominating the Bears in all 3 phases yesterday. Could start building up postseason currency (and make a big statement) by beating the Pack on Sunday.

2. Bears 3-1 (1-1 division) - Blow an opportunity to take sole ownership of the division, and look bad doing it. Arrow pointing down with an injured and underperforming D and an even tougher opponent coming up next week.

3. Packers 1-2 (0-0 division) - Early bye week may help them get healthy short-term while costing them during the stretch run. Their first division game of the season (next Sunday vs Lions) looms large.

4. Vikings 1-3 (0-2 division) - Had to go to London to get off the schnide, but may have found themselves a QB in the process. Any sort of coherent passing game combined with the continued health of Adrian Peterson will keep them in the hunt.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 02, 2013, 02:30:34 pm
Pro Football Focus Defensive Grades

Team Pass Rush Grade NFL Rank
New York Giants -17.1 32nd
Philadelphia Eagles -16.9 31st
Green Bay Packers -16.3 30th
Chicago Bears -14.6 29th

Via Pro Football Focus
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 02, 2013, 02:43:35 pm
Those are four teams you would not expect to have that poor of production when it comes to pass rush.  Especially the Giants, whose D-Line has been the best unit on that entire team for years.

And not a coincidence that 3 of those 4 teams currently sit below .500.  In a QB driven league, teams who can't get to the other team's QB are in for a tough ride.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 02, 2013, 07:50:25 pm
True, dat.  And if Matthews can't play Sunday it will be a real problem for GB.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 03, 2013, 01:25:26 am

 Most of what made those teams in the past are not on those teams anymore.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 03, 2013, 07:47:17 am
Packy...  what happened to Nick Perry with you guys?

Seems like you've had about as much success with him as we have had with McClellin.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 03, 2013, 07:56:11 pm
He certainly hasn't lived up to expectations, but the injury in his rookie season has been part of the problem.  He is developing slowly and the team still has hopes for him as he learns to be a LB.  He has the talent.
 
Injuries have slowed Datone Jones, too, but I look for him to have a breakout game soon.
 
The whole defense has been slow coming around.  I guess you can tell that by 1-2 record.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on October 04, 2013, 08:29:55 am
The league is purposely making it more difficult for defenses. They want those huge offensive plays replayed on the nights Sportscenter broadcast. The league is QB hero driven....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearFan on October 04, 2013, 12:21:47 pm
I would argue that a sack, interception, fumble or kick return with a score is at least as exciting as an offensive TD and much more exciting than a FG.  And the league is tying the hands of the defenses and ST and losing the frequency of those kinds of plays. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 10, 2013, 01:19:47 pm
My predictions for this weekend:

  - Bears vs. Giants, in Chicago:  Back-to-back losses have exposed the Bears as having issues... but not as many as the Giants.  BEARS win a close, ugly game in primetime.

  - Lions vs. Browns, in Cleveland:  Megatron isn't 100%; meanwhile, the Browns have exceeded most people's expectations and seem to have found something in consecutive wins over the Bengals and Bills.  On top of which, they've had 3 extra days of rest and they're playing at home, outdoors against an indoor team. Call me crazy (or maybe just hopeful), but I like the BROWNS in this one.

  - Packers vs. Ravens, in Baltimore:  The Ravens aren't what they were last year, but still good enough to test the Packers. The loss of Clay Matthews will make this game closer than it would have been otherwise but PACKERS will prevail in an out of conference game that will improve their record but has little value as far as playoff implications.

  - Vikings vs. Panthers, in Minnesota: QB switch to the unlikely Matt Cassell seems to have sparked the Vikings, and they are healthy and rested coming off their bye.  The Panthers are a disappointment... struggling to score, losing to teams they should beat and wasting the efforts of a very good defense.  VIKINGS ride AP to victory in a low scoring game to stay in the NFC North mix.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2013, 10:04:30 am
A story broke yesterday about Adrian Peterson having lunch in a dive bar in my hometown.  At the time it was good for some yuks but as details are coming out there is actually a very sad and somber story playing out here.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/11/tragic-situation-for-adrian-peterson/

Seems the reason he was (and at this time still is) in Sioux Falls SD is because a "close family member" of very young age has been the victim of severe violence at the hands of an adult and is being hospitalized here. Speculation is that the victim is actually AP's young son but that has not been confirmed by any credible source and the local media are doing a p*ss poor job of getting out any information. 

Thoughts and prayers to AP, the victim and the rest of his family at this time.  Division rivalries go out the window when something like this happens.  I met AP a few years ago after the Bears/Vikings game in Minnesota and he was as classy and gracious of a guy as I have ever met in any walk of life... even after he found out I was a Bears fan.  Hope this situation resolves itself for the best soon.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2013, 10:06:56 am
This just coming across...  via TMZ (consider the source) but if true...  how heartbreaking.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/11/report-petersons-son-beaten-in-critical-condition/
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on October 11, 2013, 10:13:50 am
My God that's horrifying, 2 yrs old!! what monster
hurts 2yr olds?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2013, 10:16:35 am
Whoever did that needs locked in a room with AP, Jared Allen and couple other of their biggest Vikings friends.

I think the matter would be "handled" in less than 10 minutes.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 11, 2013, 10:19:06 am
I bet Jake Long would help them.
Peterson seems like a really nice guy too.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2013, 10:51:49 am
The guy who did this is not only unspeakably evil, but unbelievably stupid.

#1...  Adrian Peterson is the most put-together human being of any size that I have ever met. His shoulders are literally as wide as a yardstick and taper to about a 29-inch waist. His biceps are as big as a normal man's thighs and the strength of his grip is legendary. He looks like a comic book superhero, but in real life. AP could literally tear an average man limb from limb and part of me hopes he is given that opportunity. 

#2... Adrian Peterson has much respect within the NFL and a lot of people (within and outside the Vikings organization) who would go to the wall for him who are even bigger and stronger than he is.

Just an incredible story in so many (bad) ways, but such is our world today.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2013, 11:14:04 am
First article the local media has released about this...   and they are treading EXTREMELY lightly around the AP connection.

http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/sioux-falls-man-accused-of-assaulting-toddler-/?id=154447

The article does confirm the victim is a son of AP's but not Adrian Peterson Jr who I believe is the child in the training camp picture that has been circulating.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2013, 04:44:04 pm
Oh no...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/11/police-say-adrian-petersons-2-year-old-son-has-died/
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on October 13, 2013, 12:26:12 pm
Gift TD for the Lions. 2 pass interference calls. Apparently playing pass defense against the Lions is illegal
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 13, 2013, 10:38:07 pm
We didnt gain any ground today, thats for sure.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 13, 2013, 10:39:00 pm
Yeah it sucks!  I thought for sure between GB and Detroit one of them would lose.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 14, 2013, 07:44:00 am
I figured the Packers would win, but Cleveland had been on a roll and with them being outdoors at home I thought they could take the Lions.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 14, 2013, 04:15:21 pm
Hmm...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/14/mike-mccarthy-randall-cobb-will-miss-multiple-weeks/

If the Packers are minus Cobb, Nick Perry and Clay Matthews on Nov 4... we MIGHT have a chance of keeping it close.  That is, unless we lose any more players of our own.

Of course as long as Rogers, Finley and Jordy Nelson are in the mix that is still more than enough for our D to try and handle.  And Eddie Lacy looks legit at RB too.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 16, 2013, 12:50:40 pm
Vikings have announced that Josh Freeman will start Monday night vs. Giants.

Looks like Frazier & Co. saw enough of Cassell against the Panthers and are going all-in with Freeman from the get-go.  Although, the Giants are probably about the easiest team you could draw in a situation like that.  Will be interesting to see how that all goes down.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 16, 2013, 01:04:51 pm
the other thing about the Vikes is at least they realize already this season is lost. They can try Freeman and see what they have in him and have a better idea of what to do for the next draft.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 16, 2013, 01:23:57 pm
The flip side of course is that Freeman may win them just enough games to knock them out of the running for a top QB in the draft.  If that happens...  and the Vikings and/or Freeman decide Freeman is not a fit for them beyond this year...  they're right back where they started. 

I do have to say though that if Freeman starts putting it together with them, then look out for that re-match the Bears have with them in Minny on Thanksgiving weekend.  We were lucky to get by them in Chicago...  if you give them a halfway decent QB and put them in the dome, it will be much tougher to accomplish the sweep.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 17, 2013, 07:40:00 am
hopefully Cutler won't give them 4 turnovers the next time we play them.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 18, 2013, 01:01:52 am

 LACK of a DEFENSE ... Hester as non kick returner ...

 its Cutlers game now ...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on October 20, 2013, 04:05:20 pm
Wonder who will be in first after today.....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 22, 2013, 06:44:34 pm

 Its a 16 game season.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 22, 2013, 07:12:46 pm
Otto - Nice of you to show up on this thread when you are in first place, front runner...

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w37/Grizzlybear34/Otto.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/Grizzlybear34/media/Otto.jpg.html)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 22, 2013, 07:22:30 pm
Mitten Boy!  It never gets old!

Neither does the huggy on the beer bottle because apparently it was REALLY hot out....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 22, 2013, 07:22:47 pm
RIP ACL.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on October 22, 2013, 07:43:53 pm
Ibid. RIP ACL.  Even if he did root for the wrong team.  We all make mistakes.  Why, I remember back in aught two........
uh, never mind.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 22, 2013, 08:07:20 pm

 ACL ... was a tractor drivin man ... thats how he died.

 God bless him.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFQfeXugMVk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFQfeXugMVk)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 23, 2013, 09:55:09 am
yeah, it was an odd happening that the motorcycle accident he survived but he passed while driving a tractor.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on October 23, 2013, 10:32:49 am
Tried to locate the emails ACL and I exchanged for a re-read session,but having replaced the old computer I seemed to have deleted or misplaced them within my folders...dang!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on October 23, 2013, 12:18:51 pm
this classic Josh McCown moment never gets old

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PS4Xt3-q0M
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 24, 2013, 03:17:33 pm
I remember that play, VJ.  We Packer fans were incredulous and extremely happy that day.  The fans or team arranged for a trip t GB and celebration for the WR who caught the pass.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 25, 2013, 04:10:23 pm

 Well Packy the first of TWO GAMES are coming up ...

 your take on it ? I already know Otto's.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 25, 2013, 07:27:40 pm
Never bet on a Bears-Packers game.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 25, 2013, 08:12:36 pm
Never bet on a Bears-Packers game.

 A sane neutral call.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 27, 2013, 07:17:18 am
would be really cool if Jay is actually doing ok and will be ready for the Packers game and they plan all week for McCown :-)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on October 27, 2013, 07:43:16 am
It would actually be cooler if McCown went out and played lights out and beat the Pack.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 27, 2013, 03:53:45 pm
Damn Lions get a miracle win.  The Cowboys have terrible coaching.  No way they should have lost that game. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on October 27, 2013, 04:21:54 pm
I was thinking the Cowboys had it in the bank.  Good grief.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on October 27, 2013, 04:38:35 pm
Total collapse by the Dallas D.. The cover who?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 27, 2013, 04:57:44 pm
Reminds me of some of the Bears defensive collapses the last few years.

Although the real cause was the Cowboys throwing and going out of bounds instead of running time off the clock.  Terrible clock management.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on October 27, 2013, 05:01:26 pm
And our current D is based on the one who the current Dallas D coord is running.  Sigh.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on October 28, 2013, 04:35:20 am
We're gonna need a few miracles the next few weeks as well. Ehh I'm just kidding myself if I think it's actually going to happen......is the 14' Draft topic up yet??
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 06, 2013, 09:42:22 pm
We're gonna need a few miracles the next few weeks as well. Ehh I'm just kidding myself if I think it's actually going to happen......is the 14' Draft topic up yet??

 Fuuck you Sporty we just beat Green Bay at their home ... you better get up to speed.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on November 07, 2013, 07:28:20 am
when it comes to Sporty and the Bears he's not a half-empty kind of guy...he's a bone dry kind of guy. Makes you wonder why he even watches.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on November 07, 2013, 09:07:43 am
Sporty, have you been reading too many of JBN's posts?
We are tied for first place in the NFCN.
We still have some holes but so does everyone else.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on November 07, 2013, 09:59:06 am

Well, I must admit Sporty was accurate in his comment about needing a miracle against GB with Rodgers getting knocked early in the 1st quarter.

Think about it, going into GB, which had won 4 in a row, with a backup QB and your leading tackler out of the game.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on November 07, 2013, 10:06:32 am
Well - a miracle is more like rising from the dead...

If McClellin is working miracles on the football field - he will be very popular
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2013, 11:19:34 am
Yeah, but he also claimed that the RB's were a push and that the GB WR's were better than ours, which is ludicrous.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2013, 05:13:04 pm
I'd say their RB had a pretty darned good day....and when healthy, their wideouts have been better than ours. Rodgers makes them better....hell, the guy could make the towelboy better! 

Regardless, it took a miracle and I'm glad it happened.....anyone think we were going to win that game with a healthy Rodgers?? Raise your hands....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 09, 2013, 03:54:08 am

 You can sniff these motherfuuckers out as they come out of the tunnel onto the field.

 Their body oder gives them away ... the detroit lions.

 Man do they deserve what the fuuck they are going to get.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on November 09, 2013, 10:27:47 am
I don't know if we would have won but we certainly would have been in the game. Our D-line played well finally and would have pressured Rodgers just as much as the backup.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 09, 2013, 01:15:39 pm
One thing some Pack fans were saying is if Rodgers was in, we'd have won. Well Rodgers WAS in and WE knocked him out. They conveniently forget that part. But having him healthy throughout the game would make a big difference instead of having Wallace in. You'd have to be a fool to think otherwise. We finally found a pass rush that had been absent most of the season. No one could have predicted that out of the blue, hey there it is finally. What really REALLY sucks is the guy that did the most havoc had one good game and is out this week. Sucks!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 09, 2013, 07:39:02 pm
Injuring Rodgers is not equivalent to beating him.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 10, 2013, 05:05:38 am
Ah, but you are not the Green Bay Rodgers, you are the Green Bay... wait a click.  You are the Green Bay Rodgers...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: davebear on November 10, 2013, 09:29:28 am
There were plenty of plays where Wallace had time to throw and didn't know what to do with it.

Rodgers would have put up a couple more scores easily.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on November 10, 2013, 09:45:17 am
Any "what if" game involving Rodgers is meaningless unless it also includes "what if" we hadn't lost Briggs or Melton.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2013, 07:46:59 pm
Both teams are badly hurt by injuries.  Just as the NFLN looked like it would regain its old reputation for power these injuries come along.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2013, 08:01:58 pm
The Green Bay Packers entered their clash with the Philadelphia Eagles as the walking wounded, and they appear to be walking out of the game with a number of additions to the injury list. Between their ailing defenders and the carousel at quarterback, Philadelphia was able to pull out a fairly comfortable 27-13 win at Lambeau Field. However, it wasn't without some officiating controversy near the end.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 10, 2013, 08:03:01 pm
 Injuries were also picked up by Casey Hayward, Johnny Jolly, Don Barclay and Evan Dietrich-Smith. At the end of the game, the Packers had just five healthy offensive linemen.
 
I healthy QB.  Five healthy O-Linemen.  Almost a team.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on November 10, 2013, 08:26:05 pm
PR, how did Tolzein do? from the stats it looks like he had a decent game for a guy pretty much off the street with no reps. It appears he is an upgrade over Wallace.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 10, 2013, 08:30:45 pm
It wiuldnt surprise me if the Packers lose every game that Rodgers is out and then run the table after he comes back.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on November 10, 2013, 11:15:23 pm
Tolzein was a lot better than he should have been, and he played with more confidence than Seneca Wallace ever could.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 11, 2013, 10:06:26 pm
PR, how did Tolzein do? from the stats it looks like he had a decent game for a guy pretty much off the street with no reps. It appears he is an upgrade over Wallace.

Considering the conditions I was quite impressed with Tolzien's performance.  He looked like he belonged in an NFL game.  One good thing from the game was his showing.  I am confident that the Packers have found a well-qualified #2 QB.  He was  let down by the suddenly inept defense.

I  think the Pack has a chance in the games without Rodgers and with Wallace on the bench.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 14, 2013, 04:33:12 am
Considering the conditions I was quite impressed with Tolzien's performance.  He looked like he belonged in an NFL game.  One good thing from the game was his showing.  I am confident that the Packers have found a well-qualified #2 QB.  He was  let down by the suddenly inept defense.

I  think the Pack has a chance in the games without Rodgers and with Wallace on the bench.

 Yes Packy and McCown also as an NFC NORF Quarterback ... lets see where this shiit leads to.

 But lets play the real ballgame here ... nobody is getting past Stafford.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 14, 2013, 02:54:28 pm
We'll see.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: guest118 on November 14, 2013, 03:52:09 pm
Tolzien sucks wait till he gets hit a few times....those happy feet start gittering....then he gives up the ball. 2 picks!

Peckers end up 7 and 9
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 15, 2013, 05:49:11 pm
Tolzien sucks wait till he gets hit a few times....those happy feet start gittering....then he gives up the ball. 2 picks!

Peckers end up 7 and 9

 I'm all for that except that Tolzien came off the bench and tossed the rock for 199 yards.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 24, 2013, 10:32:11 pm
It seems that GB is slightly ahead of yesterday.  They need to beat both Det and Chi to win the division.  But winning those two games gives them the edge over both.  A sweep is needed to assure winning the division.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on November 25, 2013, 01:00:23 pm

If Packers are visiting Detroit on Thanksgiving Day without Rodgers - they will be probably not be favored to win.

If Bears can get healthy on defense they will play the Packers tough in Chicago but it might be too late for both teams if Lions keep winning.

So I guess I have to root for the Pack on Thursday?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on November 25, 2013, 01:18:42 pm
I can root against BOTH - always better than rooting for one or the other - while the Bears are at home feasting like Pilgrims!!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on November 25, 2013, 02:03:48 pm
I'm pretty confident that Jim Schwartz will continue to make poor decisions down the stretch and Detroit's history of choking will continue so I have no problem pulling for them to beat the Pack on Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on November 25, 2013, 02:33:08 pm
I am rooting for another tie.  ;)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 25, 2013, 03:45:34 pm
Here's the issue.....do the Pack risk another hit on Rodgers immediately after coming back from injury? 'A boy named Sue' will be in their backfield and if he gets his hands on Rodgers, it's over for the Pack maybe for this season or longer.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 25, 2013, 03:51:01 pm
Comments on GB-Minn game:

Fascinating watching two really good RBs in that game.

If Flynn had started the game I'm confident GB would have won.  The way Flynn played I feel GB has a good chance to beat Det with or without Rodgers.  That game is the key for GB.

The GB tie means they have the control of their future. It will require beating Chi and Det.  The best solution is to run the board.

Mathews is healthy again and can be a factor in winning.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 25, 2013, 03:52:48 pm
Word is Rodgers won't be playing.....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 25, 2013, 04:00:40 pm
Comments on the Minn game:

It was fascinating watching the battle between two very good RBs.

If Flynn had started the game I believe GB would have won.  With Flynn playing as well as he did I feel GB has a good chance to beat Det with or without Rodgers.

With  the tie GB holds their fate in their own hands.  A win against Minn and Chi will be necessary.  Looking objectively, if they can't win those games there is no sense going into the play-offs, anyway.

Matthews is nearly 100% healthy and can be a factor from here on out.  If  GB can beat Minn Rodgers should be healthy for the next game.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 25, 2013, 10:02:05 pm
The Week 14 game against the Atlanta Falcons on Sunday, December 8th has been moved up and replaced with a playoff-caliber matchup between the Carolina Panthers and New Orleans Saints. Green Bay's game will instead kick off at noon Central time and will be televised on FOX, the NFL announced.

Good.  I loathe those Sunday night games.  ;-)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 25, 2013, 11:42:58 pm

 The only thing Tampa did to beat Deetroit was replace their QB ... who has since moved on to Minnie.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 04, 2013, 04:11:26 pm
In order for GB or Chi to win the division:

2. The Lions must lose twice

As recently as two weeks ago, conventional wisdom held that the Lions had the easiest schedule remaining, but a lot has changed since then. Some of the former patsies of the NFC East have rebounded and, perhaps most importantly, the next 3 Detroit opponents are just terrible matchups for the Detroit defense for reasons we will get into momentarily.

at Philadelphia

Detroit has a spectacular run defense. By DVOA they rank 2nd overall in this category, and I don't think too many would argue with that ranking. Why then do I think the Eagles with Chip Kelly's typically run-based offense are a brutally difficult matchup for the Lions? The Eagles under Nick Foles excel in the two areas where Lions are weakest. Anyone who watched Tiquan Underwood torch them for 108 yards and 2 TDs a few weeks ago will be familiar.

According to Football Outsiders, the Lions are 27th against the pass. They are 28th against #1 receivers and that's a generous number as it includes the Matt Flynn debacle. They are, for my money, the worst secondary in the league. Moreover, while they excel in stopping the run, they are only 20th in the league defending against running backs catching passes. Here are some notable receiving stat lines against the Lions:

Alshon Jeffery - 5/107/1 TD, Brandon Marshall - 7/79/0, Martellus Bennett - 8/90/0
James Jones - 4/127/1 Jordy Nelson - 5/82
Josh Gordon - 7/126/0, Chris Ogbonnaya - 7/61/1
A.J. Green - 6/155/1
Dez Bryant - 3/72/2, Terrence Williams - 2/64/1
Brandon Marshall - 7/139/2, Alshon Jeffery - 9/114
Antonio Brown - 7/147/2
Tiquan Underwood - 3/108/2

The Eagles boast one of the game's best deep threats in DeSean Jackson and one of the best receiving RBs in LeSean McCoy. Moreover, since Nick Foles took over they've basically torched even good defenses. Scoring 24 points against Arizona is no small feat. The Eagles' defense isn't any good themselves, but they actually hold their own against #1 receivers (16th) and #2 receivers (10th). They struggle mightily against "other receivers" (29th) but we're talking Kris Durham here. Again, I'm not saying the Eagles will destroy the Lions, but this will be a very tough game for Detroit. Philly has won four straight games and looks like a different team lately (yes, part of this is an easy schedule). They are in a dogfight in the East, though, and will be highly motivated to win.

Home vs. Baltimore

Remember how I said the Lions have an elite run defense? The Ravens don't care because the Ravens can't run against anyone. Everyone the Ravens play (except the Bears) turns into the Lions. The Ravens don't do a lot well on offense, but one thing they happen to do well is throw the deep ball. Torrey Smith is still an elite deep receiver. Jacoby Jones isn't much, but he's a good deep receiver. These guys should be able to torch the Detroit secondary.
Baltimore may be bad on offense, but they're still a top-10 defensive unit (8th per Football Outsiders). They won't shut down Megatron (who does?) but should be able to keep their offense in the game. The Lions to watch in this game will be Reggie Bush and Joique Bell, as the Ravens rank 26th against backs out of the backfield.

Home vs. New York Giants

The Giants went from a laughingstock at 0-6 to a legitimate playoff contender by winning 5 of their last 6 games. Their defense, and Jason Pierre-Paul in particular, has gotten healthy lately and their season stats do not accurately reflect just how dangerous they currently are. Over the course of their last six games they have allowed 7, 7, 20, 13, 24, and 17 points. Football Outsiders agrees putting them 9th for the season and 6th using their weighted metric, which weighs more recent games more heavily. Better still; the Giants are 5th against #1 receivers (and 1st against #2 receivers).

On offense, the Giants again hit the Lions where it hurts. Victor Cruz is likely to torch this secondary. Rueben Randle is likely to chip in. Even the beleaguered Hakeem Nicks has shown some signs of life lately. With a healthy Andre Brown, who is no slouch in the passing game, the Giants offense is now formidable enough to capitalize on the Detroit defense.

At Minnesota

This is the lone good matchup for the Lions. They easily handled the Vikings back in week one and I expect they will again.

I don't expect the Lions to lose all three of those games, but no one should be shocked if they lose two. Keep in mind that some of the intangibles (awful penalties, terrible coaching) and things look rosier still.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 05, 2013, 09:02:35 pm

 Packy its why we watch the game ... this shiit aint garnered in stone.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on December 06, 2013, 07:18:02 am
Should be pretty obvious even to a non resident who is the billionaire and who is the pu$$y governor of Minnesota

(http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/ows_138620257027508.jpg)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on December 06, 2013, 07:45:26 am
VJ, that looks like a bad photo chop to me.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on December 06, 2013, 09:29:31 am
I think its legit.  They put a framed photo up in back (see reflections) and you can see the gov's goiter. On a photoshop that would have been airbrushed for sure.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on December 06, 2013, 10:40:54 am
ok, on this computer I use a really, really old dinosaur monitor. The dirt in the pic looks almost like some kind of fur coat on my monitor :-) I checked it on another monitor. The guy with the coffee stained teeth(on the left) looks like he made his living working, the other guy looks too clean to have ever worked much.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 07, 2013, 03:19:20 am

 JJ always had a backup condom ... but some times they do fail and you see the outcome.

 Its really not JJ's fault ... well ok he does have JJ's mustachio ...  :D

 Sometimes diaphams fail also. You know you buy them at walmart and hope for the best ...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 09, 2013, 12:15:12 am

 We aint out of it yet ... Deeeeetroit ... G.B. ...

 we are as good as they are.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on December 18, 2013, 12:00:53 pm
Heard on the score that Detroit is 5-1 in the division, first in the division in offense and defense.  And they are still on track to pi$$ it all away.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on December 18, 2013, 12:27:35 pm
We win two and we are in, that's the bottom line. We control our own destiny. I believe we have enough offense to win it its the miserable defense that concerns me. If we can stop the run and protect Jay we should win. For the millionth time "Football is a game where whoever controls the line of scrimmage wins the ball game" If we control both lines we win.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on December 18, 2013, 01:33:58 pm

Our defense faces a huge challenge as this is probably the best passer and maybe the 2nd best runner they'll have faced this season.  Also DeSean Jackson is one of the elite wide receivers too.

Ratliff has elevated our d-line play but we need the other guys to elevate their play too and make some plays.

Hopefully the Bears D can hold the Eagles to a few points below their average (26/game) and our offense can hit the 30s.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on December 18, 2013, 01:40:39 pm
This would be a HUGE game for Mr Peppers to actually show up.  Although the following week might be more important...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 18, 2013, 03:04:19 pm
Sounds like Rodgers is out... darn  ;D ;D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on December 18, 2013, 03:14:18 pm
Well Flynn has been playing fairly well.  If he comes back against the Bears he might be a little rusty, which would allow Shea another chance to redeem his draft position.  ;)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on December 18, 2013, 03:16:51 pm
One thug stumping for another:

Detroit defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh knows that coach Jim Schwartz is in danger of being fired as the Lions’ late-season slide has moved them from favorites to long shots in the NFC North. And Suh is still hoping he can help Schwartz save his job.

“Am I playing for Jim’s job?” Suh said, via FOXSportsDetroit.com. “I think that’s a part in it. Everybody wants to win. Owners expect winning. I don’t want that coach to go anywhere. I love his scheme.”

Whether the players want to keep playing for Schwartz or not, the fact is that their play hasn’t inspired much confidence in Schwartz’s ability to get the most out of them. Suh knows that losing the division lead hurt Schwartz’s chances of keeping his job.

“We’ve let go of an opportunity to put these other teams away,” Suh said. “We opened the door back for them. We still have an opportunity to take care of business. It’s most important that we do our part or none of it matters. That’s what we’ve yet to do to this point is do our part, close the door. We’ve let a bunch of ants in the house. Now you’ve got to go get an exterminator to get them out.”

At this point, even if the Lions win their last two games, the exterminator may be coming to get Schwartz out at the end of the season.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 18, 2013, 04:15:19 pm
 




 Aaron Rodgers yet to be cleared by Packers medical staff
Posted by Vic Ketchman, packers.com editor on  December 18, 2013 – 1:09 pm 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 21, 2013, 03:17:26 am

 Packy ,


 Hes OUT.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on December 24, 2013, 12:25:41 pm
Vj

Obviously a Photoshop, but the blowholes for the money guy is noted.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 29, 2013, 10:10:26 pm

 Congratulations Green Bay Packers on winning the NFC NORTH.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on December 29, 2013, 10:17:54 pm
For the third straight year!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 29, 2013, 10:32:22 pm
For the third straight year!

 Ehhh... better you then us as the sacrificial lamb from the NFC Norf.

 Meanwhile CHICAGO BEARS will quietly rebuild ...  :D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 30, 2013, 07:22:58 pm
Congratulations Green Bay Packers on winning the NFC NORTH.

Thanks, jj.  But---- is that good?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on December 31, 2013, 09:19:01 am
Been seeing on various sports outlets that among coaching jobs that Lovie can slide into is the Lions HC...his first presser would include the vow to beat the Chicago Bears twice a season...lol
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 31, 2013, 09:37:38 am
Lovie coaching the Lions isn't a laughing matter.  If he got that D of theirs playing smart and brought in a halfway capable OC the Lions would be a handful.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 31, 2013, 10:06:35 am
If I were Lovie Dovie, I'd "slide" into the Bucs job instead. The Loins job is a coach killer. He'd be gone much sooner with them. They just don't have it together up there....even WITH all that talent and no injuries, couldn't get the job done....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 31, 2013, 06:26:28 pm
Lovie may relish the chance to play the Bears twice a year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on December 31, 2013, 08:00:02 pm
I don't think there's an ounce of emotion in any coaches past doing better than the guy across the field and thier own staff members. I really don't.There's too much money involved anymore, your not going to see a Ditka/Forrest Greg situation, IMO. I made the mistake of going back and watching
that game again.  Urlacher has to be laughing his butt off.  Past him, nobody knew where everyone was supposed to be ALL YEAR.  The Bears may have used the same system, but the interpeter was gone. They used 90%, ignoring the most important part and paying for it. We've all been there. The person that you wondered about why the hell they were there leaves, and you find out the hard way why they were there. Oh, and no manual of course. Briggs ain't gonna be all that, in the nfl, you loose a whisper of a step, your gone. Bears got screwed, but one or two more wins during the season it wouldn't have mattered. Tucker ain't all that either. Its like a car. Everything is fine until it breaks. You have to fix it. He didn't fixed it at all. I don't think he has a "system".  He just goes along with what was there. He really needs to go.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on December 31, 2013, 08:04:53 pm
Lovie may relish the chance to play the Bears twice a year.

I can't see Lovie turning down Tampa where he owns a home and has a history to got to....Detroit.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on December 31, 2013, 08:08:31 pm
Tucker ain't all that either. Its like a car. Everything is fine until it breaks. You have to fix it. He didn't fixed it at all.

I think we can do better than Tucker but it wont break my heart if he stays. I like your car analogy but if you are going to fix that car you need parts. Our bench wasn't exactly Autozone.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on December 31, 2013, 08:13:07 pm
If Lovie goes to Tampa with Angelo and whats his face, man I feel sorry for him.  Even if he brings in an O guru. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 31, 2013, 10:17:52 pm

 Lovie in Tampa makes sense. The lions not so much.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on December 31, 2013, 10:58:56 pm
Lovie may relish the chance to play the Bears twice a year.
46 nice post

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 01, 2014, 11:29:15 am
the right coach could make the Lions tough to beat.
I think I would rather live in Tampa....I'm headed there Sunday actually.
Det has a lot more weapons on both side of the ball, would be a hard choice.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 03, 2014, 05:29:57 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/03/report-vikings-expected-to-interview-ray-horton-on-tuesday/

Interesting that the Vikings would consider another defensive minded coach when it was their QB issues that ultimately did them in.

Horton is the guy who put together the very good Cardinals defense before going to the Browns this year.  He is a very good DC...  hard to know how he would do as a HC.  IIRC he is a 3-4 guy so that could mean some major turnover on that side of the Vikings roster.  It also means we would have a second 3-4 team in the division to face along with the Pack.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on January 12, 2014, 03:51:32 pm
From the Star Tribune (http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/239826061.html)

A last minute legal challenge to a stadium bond sale has placed the planned 2016 opening of the new Minnesota Vikings stadium in jeopardy.

“Major problems will result from any significant delay,” said Michele Kelm-Helgen, chairwoman of the Minnesota Sports Facilities Authority, said Sunday at a news conference announcing the sale of $468 million in stadium bonds planned to begin Monday had been postponed.

The Authority will own and operate the $1 billion stadium on the Metrodome site.

“We will be short $28 million if we are not able to pay our bills without the bond by the end of the month. Architects and Minnesota companies have done work in past month and submitted bills due at the end of January.” She said bond proceeds need to be available by Jan. 23.

The $468 million bond sale to fund part of the new Vikings stadium was set to occur Monday and Tuesday but will not proceed because of a “petition for a writ of prohibition” filed Friday with the state attorney general’s office, according to a statement from Minnesota Management and Budget Commissioner Jim Schowalter.  The state is required to disclose any pending legal actions when bonds are sold, according to federal law and Securities and Exchange Commission regulations, Schowalter said.  The petition for a writ of prohibition, filed with the Minnesota Supreme Court, seeks to stop public officials from "unlawful use of public funds."  The petition was filed by Doug Mann, Linda Mann and David Tilsen, stadium opponents who say that Minneapolis sales tax revenue can't be used to pay back the state bonds, as is outlined in the stadium legislation, and that the public should have been allowed to vote on the project.  Although the filing raises issues that have alread been “previously dealt with” during the stadium debate, Schowalter said, his office decided to delay the sale after consulting with the attorney general’s office, Stadium Authority Council and bond counsel.  It’s not clear when a new sale would take place.  The new Vikings stadium will be built on the east end of downtown Minneapolis. Demolition has already begun. On Jan. 18, power will be cut off to the Dome and the roof will deflate. After that, the stadium’s structure will be dismantled piece by piece.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Fearless Freep on January 12, 2014, 09:07:42 pm
If I were Lovie Dovie, I'd "slide" into the Bucs job instead. The Loins job is a coach killer. He'd be gone much sooner with them. They just don't have it together up there....even WITH all that talent and no injuries, couldn't get the job done....

You said it Sportster.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on January 14, 2014, 11:47:17 am
And now we’re down to two (head coaching vacancies).

The Lions filled theirs Tuesday, hiring Ravens offensive coordinator Jim Caldwell as their next head coach, a league source confirms to PFT. The team has quickly announced the move, as well.

Caldwell brings a stability the Lions needed, and has the kind of offensive credentials to work with the impressive collection of parts on hand.

They clearly were looking for someone to add some maturity to a team that flashed talent, but often showed its immaturity during the Jim Schwartz era. Caldwell had the endorsement of his old boss Tony Dungy, and has the same kind of calm demeanor which the Lions could use.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on January 14, 2014, 12:11:49 pm
The Lions needed a hard ass like Whisenhunt more and reportedly had the private jet running and waiting for him in SD.  I'm glad he isn't in Detroit.

That said, that roster is arguably the most talented in the divsion and anything other than the Schwartz is an upgrade.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 14, 2014, 12:34:10 pm
With Caldwell, if the Lions get a competent DC, they could be scary.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on January 14, 2014, 12:50:18 pm
The comments on that article are all blasting Det.  They say Caldwell just has a blank stare on the sidelines, you could replace him with a cardboard cut out.  Funny I remember us saying the same things about Lovie.  LOL
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on January 14, 2014, 01:45:27 pm
I bet Phill's Titans board is electric with the Whisenhunt hiring!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 14, 2014, 01:48:13 pm
Quote
Caldwell had the endorsement of his old boss Tony Dungy, and has the same kind of calm demeanor which the Lions could use

I expect Sue to get worse.  I don't think he will handle him to keep him under control.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 14, 2014, 11:13:23 pm
Unbelievably, that team is going to get another high draft pick to add to its already impressive collection. If they ever figure it out, they're going to be dangerous. Got a feeling they never will....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 15, 2014, 07:29:57 am
Like I siad earlier in the season when everyone was claiming the Lions the NFC North Division Champions...

They are the Lions.  They will find a way to fcuk it up.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on January 15, 2014, 09:09:22 am
EFZ
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 15, 2014, 09:24:55 am
too bad we screwed up more and lost to them 2X this year else we could have been eliminated by SF last weekend :-)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2014, 09:31:54 am
And that would have made you happy?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on January 15, 2014, 09:41:10 am
Happiness....


is a warm gun...

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on January 15, 2014, 10:00:03 am
Vikings hire Mike Zimmer.

We won't have to worry about them or the Lions for a while...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on January 15, 2014, 10:21:16 am
Yeah no worries.  The same dumbass GM/VP Player Personnel who drafted Joe Webb, Ponder, threw a couple million at Josh Freeman, traded a second rounder for AJ Feeley (with Miami), and signed a washed up McNabb is poised and ready to draft the next franchise QB for the Vikings.  BWAHAHA
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on January 15, 2014, 10:23:00 am
Most of the comments are pretty positive about Zimmer.  Just saying.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on January 15, 2014, 10:23:57 am
Not from Cincinnati fans, I bet...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 15, 2014, 10:27:26 am
hopefully the new coach gets into DET and they cut some of their expensive guys, they have a lot of high picks on that team, I don't see how they can keep them all.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 15, 2014, 10:31:16 am
I wouldn't sell Zimmer short. Even though what the Vikings really needed at the top was an offensive guru, Zimmer has paid his dues. Bengals fans are sorry to see him go but happy he is finally getting his shot.

Even if the Vikings offense doesn't come around immediately, the defense immediately becomes legit.  And the Vikings as a team will be a much tougher and smarter with Zimmer at the helm. You can take that to the bank.  Also keep in mind Zimmer has coached A LOT of games in cold and snow during his time in Cincy...  that could come in pretty handy for the Vikings the next 2 (3?) seasons.

Caldwell OTOH... 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on January 15, 2014, 11:16:41 am
Agreed, most fans are sad to see him go.  Caldwell, most people are sad to see him come.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 15, 2014, 12:19:25 pm
I just hope Trestman can solve Caldwell better than he could Schwartz.

Getting swept by the Lions was embarrassing. .. and a bad precedent to set in one's first season as a Bears HC.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 15, 2014, 01:32:16 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/15/vikings-get-permission-to-interview-norv-turner/

Interesting situation developing in Cleveland. Apparently the Browns are allowing any and all of Chudzinski's former staff to interview wherever they want, for any type of position.  They are essentially allowing their staff to be gutted and don't seem to have any plan to replace any of them including the HC (a job that apparently nobody wants either).  Quite a mess and it's really too bad because the Browns showed some signs this year of finally putting things together.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 15, 2014, 01:33:53 pm
How bad would it look to Cleveland if no one wanted that job and they offered it to multiple candidates and they turned them down? ::)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 15, 2014, 01:39:01 pm
BTW...  Ray Horton is also available from Cleveland and he would have been an awesome upgrade for us at DC.  He's 10x the defensive mind Tucker is and his guys always play hard (which ours most certainly did not this year).

He's strictly 3-4 but that's the direction we're headed already with hardly any D-Linemen of quality and a bunch of LBs.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on January 15, 2014, 02:31:22 pm
Happiness....


is a warm gun...

hmmm, Beatles "White Album" reference, interesting


Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 15, 2014, 05:36:26 pm


 Happiness is a warm gummy bear.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1JzFlkQYuw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1JzFlkQYuw)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 18, 2014, 09:47:31 pm
 The only thing I know is who fuuckin beat us again ... coming off of I.R.

 I need a DEFENSE that can plant that and any RB we see.

 Get the fuuck out of Dodge MOTHERFUUCKER !

 JJ are you saying a BEARS TEAM that can STOP GREEN BAY ?

 I think that has been the forgone conclusion since DAY ONE of being a BEARS fan.

 Is JJ wrong on this or just trying to get things settled ?

 Both.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 18, 2014, 09:56:48 pm
 You wanna know what scares me ?

 Any BEARS fan born after 1986 has not known what its like to win a SUPERBOWL.

 We let our own children down ... to become Cubs fans ... a never ending spiral.

 Hey baby ...

 FUUCK YOU !  

 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 19, 2014, 07:21:45 pm
Had to mention Bears and Cubs in same sentence, didn't ya J......ugggh.....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 19, 2014, 11:39:20 pm
Had to mention Bears and Cubs in same sentence, didn't ya J......ugggh.....

 Hey Sporty,

 Ya wanna know whats scares me ?

 No cubs fan born in THIS CENTURY has seen the Cubbies win a World Series.

 Actually if you were born in 1909 IN THE LAST CENTURY ... the same thing applys.  :o

 Jesus ... world society hadnt invented World War I yet ... the Titannic hadnt sunk ...

 Arizona and New Mexico wernt states yet ... Adolf Hitler was 19 years old ...

 White Castle was 13 years away from being invented.

 Kimberly-Clark had not introduced Kotex yet ...  :o
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 20, 2014, 01:22:09 am
I couldn't be a Cubs fan, no way no how. Why follow a club as totally pathetic as that??? I don't get it at all.....isn't the point of sport to actually, ya know, WIN??? Why bother otherwise?? Get paid millions to lose constantly.....nice life if you can get it I guess...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 10, 2014, 08:24:55 pm
 
 THE STATE OF AFFAIRS IN THE NFC NORTH IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2014
 
 Is this anybodys division in 2014 ?
 
 Is it the same Packers own it ?
 
 Those are the two questions.
 
 Two coaches got fired because they couldnt beat the Packers.
 
 Is the CHICAGO coach the soon to be third ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 11, 2014, 07:35:10 pm

 THE STATE OF AFFAIRS IN THE NFC NORTH IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2014
 
 Is this anybodys division in 2014 ?
 
 Is it the same Packers own it ?
 
 Those are the two questions.
 
 Two coaches got fired because they couldnt beat the Packers.
 
 Is the CHICAGO coach the soon to be third ?

What teams will remain healthy and which not?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 13, 2014, 10:08:30 pm
What teams will remain healthy and which not?

 If anybody can predict that, they can walk on water better then me.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 14, 2014, 06:35:15 pm
True, true.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 14, 2014, 08:17:22 pm
 
 Packy one thing DA BEARS cannot do is CONSTANTLY BEAT the Packers.
 
 If my beloved BEARS can once again cross that threshold,
 
 the rest is automatic.
 
 The whole NFC NORF is in a state of flux ... out side of Green Bay and Chicago...
 
 nobody knows anything so far.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 15, 2014, 03:53:58 pm
Last time the  Bears went to the SB they were 14-2 if I remember correctly. And their two losses were to GB.  GB ended up 13-3.  You really don't need to beat the Pack to go to the SB.  I hope that I'm remembering that right.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on February 15, 2014, 04:02:18 pm
Bears split with the Packers this year.  Would have won both is it were not for the most once sided officiating I have ever witnessed.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on February 15, 2014, 08:10:40 pm
Bears need a crapload of help on D to even be competitive this year. Peanut will probably be gone. Briggs isn't the Briggs we've known and loved. Age is catching him. I see another 8-8 season unless we get some top quality talent on the D side, especially the line. Do that, we got a decent shot at being pretty darned good and HOPEFULLY this staff will be smart enough to retain McCown for when Cutley goes down for his annual injury whatever.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 16, 2014, 06:25:24 pm
Bears need a crapload of help on D to even be competitive this year. Peanut will probably be gone. Briggs isn't the Briggs we've known and loved. Age is catching him. I see another 8-8 season unless we get some top quality talent on the D side, especially the line. Do that, we got a decent shot at being pretty darned good and HOPEFULLY this staff will be smart enough to retain McCown for when Cutley goes down for his annual injury whatever.

Yeah if before the season started last year you would have told me BEARS would end the season in top 5 in scoring I would have shrugged it off to fan over enthusiasm.
 
 Now its a fact ... all we need is a defense to compliment that.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 13, 2014, 01:49:23 pm
 
 So we are signing defensive players day one , sombody must have seen the obvious at HALAS HALL.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 18, 2014, 10:01:46 pm
For every reason the Julius Peppers signing doesn't make sense for the Green Bay Packers, there's another reason it does.

Some crtiics will point out that Peppers is over the hill at 34 years old. But with those years comes veteran savvy and experience, something new teammate Tramon Williams complained was lacking on this perpetually-young Packers team.

The argument can also be made that with big 325-plus lb. bodies like Ryan Pickett and Johnny Jolly currently no longer under contract, the Packers defense is getting smaller and less stout with Peppers replacing them on the roster. On the other hand, Peppers brings an element of pass rush those run stuffers never had.

But perhaps one of the best reasons the new $30 million investment makes sense for the Packers is that Peppers essentially improves two positions at once. Meet Clay Matthews, the Packers' newest inside linebacker.

Julius Peppers wasn't kidding when he predicted "something different" in the aftermath of the his signing.

No, Clay Matthews probably isn't about to become a true inside linebacker anytime soon. But for anyone wondering how the Packers are going to put their best pass rushers and arguably their best athletes on the field all at the same time, lining up Matthews at a traditional inside linebacker spot makes the entire Green Bay defense a whole lot scarier.

Skeptics will wonder why the Packers would move Matthews from his outside linebacker position as an edge rusher. "If it's not broke, don't fix it," they'll argue.

But the addition of an equally effective pass rusher like Peppers will essentially offset any concerns about where the pressure off the edge is going to come from.

When the Packers are in their nickel and dime packages (which is majority of the time), their front four players on the line of scrimmage could theoretically include some dangerous combination of Mike Daniels and Datone Jones as the interior rushers and either Mike Neal or Nick Perry lining up opposite Peppers on the edge.

Rather than have Matthews or any of the afore-mentioned players sitting on the sidlines, the Packers can instead take either A.J. Hawk or Brad Jones out of the game, replaced by Matthews.

As the saying goes, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. And Matthews can get pretty darn close to the quarterback from inside linebacker, especially if the QB is lining up under center. With Matthews' cat-like quickness, the Packers can really take advantage of situational football.

Voilà. The Packers defense just got a whole lot more athletic, multiple and unpredictable.

Is Matthews going to blitz or drop into coverage? If he blitzes, is he going to the right side or the left side of center? Are Daniels and Peppers going to run a stunt? Or is it Neal and Jones?

No one knows the answers to these questions, least of all opposing offenses.

To think Matthews at inside linebacker is a stretch, it's not as if this isn't something the Packers haven't done already. Granted, it's not something they've done frequently, but they've already utilized Matthews as a pass rusher, charging up the gut. They've also used him there to spy athletic quarterbacks.

By no means is anyone suggesting a full-time conversion to inside linebacker is in the works. Matthews taking on guards, filling lanes and spilling runs probably isn't something the Packers are interested in seeing, or at least not very often.

Whenever the Packers are in their base 3-4 front, Matthews lining up at his old outside linebacker spot is still probably where he's his most effective. Maybe even at left outside linebacker, thereby allowing Nick Perry to rush from right side, where he seems to have his most success. And that's only if Peppers isn't there first.

The addition of Peppers also guards against injury, as observers of the Packers have become so used to seeing the past several seasons. If Matthews is hurt, the Packers can get by with Hawk and Jones at inside linebacker. But it's nice to know that could be Plan B, not Plan A.

The same goes for any of the edge rushers. If Perry, Neal or Peppers is hurt, Matthews can just as easily line up where he always has the first five seasons of his career too.

That's what makes the addition of Peppers such a genius move.

---

Brian Carriveau is the author of the book "It's Just a Game: Big League Drama in Small Town America," and editor of Cheesehead
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 18, 2014, 10:10:54 pm
The Packers only guaranteed $500,000 of defensive lineman B.J. Raji's one-year, $4 million contract.

Less than a year ago, B.J. Raji and agent David Dunn turned down a deal that reportedly would have paid the defensive lineman an average of $8 million annually. Today, we're reminded yet again how ruinous that decision turned out to be.

According to multiple media outlets, only $500,000 of Raji's one-year, $4 million contract is guaranteed signing bonus. While that figure is high enough to ensure Raji a spot on the final 53-man roster, it's a precipitous drop from what surely would have been multiple millions of guaranteed dollars in the deal rejected last offseason. At a minimum, Raji's new contract contains over $17 million less in guaranteed money than his rookie contract.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 18, 2014, 10:14:04 pm
Hours after receiver James Jones met with Oakland to sign with the Raiders, James Starks canceled his meeting with the Pittsburgh Steelers, according to Jason LaCanfora of CBS. Adam Schefter of ESPN is reporting that the Packers are expected to bring back RB James Starks on a two-year deal.

Starks, 28, has been with the Packers all four years he’s been in the NFL since coming out of Buffalo. In 35 games, he has 1,427 yards on 322 carries with five touchdowns. After a ruined 2012 season due to injury, Starks played in 13 games in 2013 and complemented rookie of the year Eddie Lacy. He rushed for 493 yards and three touchdowns on 89 carries, and even though he missed three games with a partially torn MCL, last season might’ve been his healthiest.

Fighting through injuries for most of his career, Starks has been a very productive back when healthy. He played a key role in the backfield during the 2010 Super Bowl season, totaling 315 yards in the playoffs. The Pittsburgh Steelers were one team that reportedly had interest in signing Starks. Odd, right?

It’ll be interested to see what the Packers decide to do with their running back rotation for the upcoming season. Along with Lacy and Starks, Green Bay still has second-year back Jonathan Franklin and DuJuan Harris – who would’ve been in line for the lead touches last season if it weren’t because of injury. They also signed running back Michael Hill this off-season.

As soon as the agreement is confirmed and the details are released, we will have them up on the site as soon as possible...

Bargain.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on March 19, 2014, 08:38:54 am
Why is Finley going around visiting teams?  Otter said he was signed for multiple years. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 19, 2014, 10:08:03 am
If Finley is healthy, he would look real good lined up opposite of Martellus Bennett.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 19, 2014, 09:42:20 pm
If Finley is healthy, he would look real good lined up opposite of Martellus Bennett.

That's true, IF.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 20, 2014, 05:08:19 pm
If Finley is healthy, he would look real good lined up opposite of Martellus Bennett.

 BULLSHIT ! We dont need any of those people at TE.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 07, 2014, 03:51:48 am
 
 (http://www.thedrawplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/2013-12-19-NFCNorth.png) (http://www.thedrawplay.com/comic/a-christmas-present-for-brady/)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 08, 2014, 06:21:30 pm
LOL.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on May 20, 2014, 06:46:09 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc5y4dian5M
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on May 20, 2014, 06:50:11 pm
Ok, that looks pretty cool.  I wonder how often they open up those big doors....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on May 23, 2014, 09:12:44 am
Maybe preseason games..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on May 23, 2014, 01:38:57 pm
Nicest stadium I've seen yet....wow.....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 23, 2014, 09:22:10 pm
 
 
 After that amount of coin they tossed at it ... it better be nice.
 
 We'll take their asses down at their crib.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 31, 2014, 06:19:24 pm
Most under-rated players:

Chicago Bears: Matt Slauson, OG
 In 2013, the Bears revamped their offensive line. Slauson was signed as a free agent and became the team’s best blocker. Slauson has always been very physical at the point of attack, and he continues to improve as a pass blocker. Slauson did require shoulder surgery after the season, but he’s expected to return to the field by the start of training camp.


NFC NORTH SCHEDULES: Bears | Lions | Packers | Vikings

Detroit Lions: Stephen Tulloch, LB
 While rarely mentioned as one of the NFL’s top middle linebackers, Tulloch has been consistently productive the past five seasons. During that time, Tulloch accumulated 639 total tackles. Tulloch is also comfortable in coverage, which makes him a valuable piece to the Lions’ defense.

Green Bay Packers: Mike Daniels, DE
 Daniels is rotational player along the Packers’ defensive line, but he makes an impact when he’s on the field. Daniels provides a rare commodity: he’s a strong interior pass rusher. Daniels was second on the team with 6.5 sacks, and he outplayed the team’s first-round pick last year, Datone Jones.

Minnesota Vikings: Brian Robison, DE
 Jared Allen has been one of the NFL top sack masters for years, and Robison proved to be a strong bookend. Over the past three years, Robison accumulated 25.5 sacks. He has a quick first step and consistently provides pressure. His 63 quarterback hurries led the NFL in 2013. Robison now has chance to prove he wasn’t simply capitalizing off of Allen and become the team’s top pass rusher.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 31, 2014, 06:23:02 pm
Most over-rated players:

Chicago Bears: Charles Tillman, CB
 The “Peanut punch,” in which Tillman punches the ball out of ball carrier’s hands for fumbles, revived his career in 2012. Injuries put him on the track to retirement in 2013. Tillman is 33 years old and can’t cover to the level he once did. This was evident when Tillman received little interest during free agency.


NFC NORTH SCHEDULES: Bears | Lions | Packers | Vikings

Detroit Lions: Matthew Stafford, QB
 Only Giants quarterback Eli Manning has thrown more interceptions than Stafford’s 52 the past three seasons. Stafford has failed to lead the Lions to the playoffs the past two years. And Stafford also benefits greatly from the play of Calvin Johnson, whom the quarterback targets 25 percent of the time.

Green Bay Packers: A.J. Hawk, LB
 Hawk has been a stalwart at inside linebacker the past eight seasons — he started all but fives games over that time — but he’s always been average-to-below average in pass coverage. The Packers can be exposed when Hawk is asked to cover tight ends or crossing receivers.

Minnesota Vikings: Chad Greenway, LB
 Greenway is what is referred to as a “run and chase linebacker.” He’s at his best when he doesn’t have to work through traffic. Greenway isn’t nearly as effective when he has to take on blocks and be more physical at the point of attack.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 31, 2014, 06:26:49 pm
Biggest issues:

Green Bay Packers: With quarterback Aaron Rodgers still at the helm of Green Bay’s offense, the unit will be fine. The Packers, instead, have to solve their defense, which ranked 25th in the league last season after ceding 372.2 yards per game. Two additions will help: first-round safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix can blossom into the roaming leader of the secondary, and defensive end Julius Peppers can help in rushing the passer. Both will need to get used to their new playbooks in the offseason.

Chicago Bears: For once in Chicago, the problem is the defense, not the offense. Specifically, the Bears were atrocious in stopping the run, allowing a league-worst 161.4 yards per game. The franchise addressed the issue in the NFL draft, using its second- and third-round picks on defensive tackles Ego Ferguson and Will Sutton. Chicago also added veteran defensive end Jared Allen. Minicamp will be essential in getting its new pieces acclimated to Mel Tucker’s 4-3 scheme.

Detroit Lions: Jim Caldwell begins his first season as the Lions’ head coach, and has a number of issues to solve. The continued development of quarterback Matt Stafford will be a central focus, but the key issue is fixing the secondary. To help do that, Teryl Austin enters his first season as the Lions’ defensive coordinator, but spent the last three years as the Baltimore Ravens’ secondary coach. He brings expertise in the position and will focus on improving last year’s 23rd-ranked passing defense, which allowed 246.9 yards per game.

Minnesota Vikings: Despite a number of holes, quarterback looms as the biggest for the Vikings. Although the franchise traded back into the first round to draft Teddy Bridgewater, the team is in no hurry to rush him to start. It appears that there will be a three-way competition between Bridgewater, Matt Cassel and Christian Ponder. If one quarterback starts to excel in minicamp, it could shape the rest of the offseason.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 31, 2014, 08:03:31 pm
Tillman is most definitely not over rated.  The guy is about the only corner in the league who can shut down Calvin Johnson.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 01, 2014, 12:33:11 pm
Tillman has been burned several times covering Johnson. He has shut him down a few times as well. He can definitely be burned in coverage, we've seen it before. He's above average though for a corner....and I think the punch the ball thing out is overrated personally. I'd rather have a corner who can stop them from catching the ball in the first place. He swings and misses quite a bit giving the receiver a few extra yards.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on June 02, 2014, 10:03:12 am
As long as Conte still has a uniform and a locker, he's the most overrated...since he should be working at Burger King.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 02, 2014, 10:56:24 am

If Tillman can bounce back from his 2013 injuries I don't see why he can't have another productive year.  He was pretty beat up last year and only played in 8 games but still pulled down 3 picks and forced 3 fumbles.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 02, 2014, 02:36:39 pm
In order to be overrated, you have to be rated in the first place! Conte doesn't even register on the rating scale!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 02, 2014, 07:28:53 pm
 
 If only we could PAY Minnie to take Conte off our hands ...
 
 but I dont think thats legal.
 
 Can we trade him for one of those sausage guys that runs around Milwaukee County Stadium ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 02, 2014, 09:47:00 pm

 If only we could PAY Minnie to take Conte off our hands ...
 
 but I dont think thats legal.
 
 Can we trade him for one of those sausage guys that runs around Milwaukee County Stadium ?

Maybe knockwurst but not bratwurst.  Much too valuable.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 02, 2014, 10:48:13 pm
Maybe knockwurst but not bratwurst.  Much too valuable.

 Packy he could be traded for a Braut ...
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 03, 2014, 07:03:17 pm
We'd need boot.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 06, 2014, 11:48:42 pm
We'd need boot.

 Ok but no mustard.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 05, 2014, 06:37:35 pm

NFL Breakout Candidates By Division: NFC North

 by Erik Lambert 23h ago 

Every NFL team has at least one player on the roster whom they hope is ready for a breakout season in 2014.  Who are the NFC North candidates?

Green Bay Packers:  Datone Jones

Julius Peppers is expected to help the Green Bay Packers pass rush from the edge, but it’s getting a push from the interior that can truly get things going them.  That is why defensive end Datone Jones should see increased action in 2014.  His 3.5 sacks a year ago was a promising sign of his ability.  Provided he’s in NFL shape and utilizing his experience properly, he has a chance to cut loose with Peppers and Clay Matthews drawing all the attention.

Chicago Bears:  Marquess Wilson

Normally a 7th round pick doesn’t generate much buzz.  That wasn’t the case for Marquess Wilson.  More than a few experts lauded the Chicago Bears for taking a risk on the Washington State receiver, whom they felt had 1st round talent but fell because of issues with his coaches that resulted in him quitting the team.  Wilson didn’t see much action in 2013, but thanks to a fierce workout regimen with teammates Alshon Jeffery and Brandon Marshall, the 21-year old is poised to be just the latest offensive weapon for the Bears to unveil.

Minnesota Vikings:  Cordarrelle Patterson

Not to be outdone, the Minnesota Vikings have a weapon of their own expected to take a major leap this 2014 NFL season.  Cordarrelle Patterson was deceptively effective as a rookie.  All told he scored nine touchdowns on the season, four receiving, three rushing and two as a return man.  Expectations are that new offensive coordinator Norv Turner will find tremendous use for him in his quarterback-friendly system.  The only question left is finding the quarterback who can get him the football.

Detroit Lions:  Darius Slay

Regardless of their collapse last season, the Detroit Lions still boast one of the best defensive lines in the NFL.  Everybody expects second-year defensive end Ziggy Ansah to thrive alongside Nick Fairley and Ndamukong Suh.  However, another name to watch is cornerback Darius Slay.  He was surprisingly decent in 13 games for the Lions, defending five passes and making 34 tackles.  Early signs hint he’s learned a lot from the experience and looks much sharper in practice thus far.  If he has progressed, he should be able to take quick advantage of that stout front.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 23, 2014, 08:15:41 pm

Green Bay Packers


1. The Packers teamed Julius Peppers and Clay Matthews with dreams of 30 combined sacks floating in their heads. Let's see how this plays out. Peppers is entering his age-34 season and looked a step slow in his final go-around with the Chicago Bears last season. As for Matthews, he sat out the Packers' offseason program to help ensure he doesn't have any more problems with his twice-surgically repaired thumb. If healthy, he's a Defensive Player of the Year candidate.

2. The Packers used their first-round pick on Alabama safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. Secondary is an area of concern for Green Bay, but Clinton-Dix is no guarantee to be a rookie starter. He worked with the second team during the bulk of the team's offseason program. Clinton-Dix is going to have to earn it, but consider it an upset -- and a disappointment -- if the rookie doesn't break camp with a starting gig.

3. Jermichael Finley clearly has designs on rejoining the Packers, but it remains to be seen if he can get the proper clearance after neck fusion surgery. That leaves a wide-open battle for the starting tight end job in Green Bay. Third-round pick Richard Rodgers turned heads in OTAs and may be the favorite. Andrew Quarless is Rodgers' primary competition. There is approximately a 400 percent chance someone takes Rodgers too high in your fantasy league.

Chicago Bears


1. When the Bears gave Jay Cutler that fat extension in January, it wasn't because of his Favre-like durability. To that point, the Bears have left themselves vulnerable at the game's most important position. Jimmy Clausen and Jordan Palmer will compete for understudy duties behind Cutler, who has missed 13 starts since the onset of the 2010 season. Josh McCown, you will be missed.

2. The Bears had an egregiously poor rush defense last season, surrendering a league-worst 161.4 yards per game. The team looked to the draft to address the problem, using their second-round pick on defensive tackle Ego Ferguson. You can safely assume Ferguson will be given every opportunity to lock down a starting job this summer. The Bears need a lane-clogger to emerge.

3. Bears fans still have nightmares of Randall Cobb loping through the secondary for a back-breaking touchdown in Week 17. This is a team that needs to find answers at safety. Two starting jobs are available for a group that includes M.D. Jennings, Danny McCray, Adrian Wilson and Ryan Mundy. Fourth-round pick Brock Vereen is a favorite to start at free safety.

Detroit Lions


1. This is a big, big season for Matthew Stafford. The quarterback underwhelmed last season and now must find a comfort level in a new offense. New offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi could be a difference-maker, and his plan to give Stafford more autonomy at the line of scrimmage could be the kick in the pants the quarterback needs right now.

2. The Lions have three tight ends that neatly complement one another. Creating a Frankenstein monster is (sadly) impossible, which means Jim Caldwell and company must figure out a plan of attack for Brandon Pettigrew, Joseph Fauria and Eric Ebron. The Lions used the 10th overall pick to land Ebron, so consider it a big disappointment if he doesn't contribute as a rookie. Pettigrew's blocking abilities will keep him in the gameplan. Fauria is a wild card who showed legitimate red-zone chops last season.

3. Kicker battle! Jason Hanson isn't walking through that door, and David Akers didn't take last season. The Lions will use training camp and the preseason to find their guy. Seventh-round pick Nate Freese and Giorgio Tavecchio are the candidates for the job. We haven't heard anything about Kickalicious, which is both a shame and a damn travesty.

Minnesota Vikings


1. Here's the only quarterback competition you'll find in the division, and it's legit. Teddy Bridgewater is the exciting first-round pick. Matt Cassel is the steady veteran who was re-signed specifically so Minnesota wouldn't be rushed into anything at the position. Christian Ponder lingers on the periphery, a man without a country. Cassel is the slight favorite here, but he'll have to earn the gig.

2. One of the good things about training camp and the preseason is that it gives us an idea which offseason storylines were legitimate and which were just fluff. Case in point: We heard all about Norv Turner's plans to utilize Adrian Peterson as a receiver out of the backfield this season. The Vikings have gotten away from that in recent seasons, which seems counter-intuitive considering the talent involved. Let's see if All Day is used any differently.

3. Cordarrelle Patterson landed atop our "Making The Leap" list for a reason. The second-year pro can be one of the NFL's most explosive playmakers if the Vikings can get the ball in his hands on a regular basis. Minnesota schemed throughout the offseason toward that goal; general manager Rick Spielman said at the combine in February that the Vikings had already designed 10 plays specifically for the electric wideout. It will be fun to see the fruits of that labor.

The latest "Around The League Podcast" shines a light on the most unpredictable teams entering the 2014 season.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 23, 2014, 08:23:13 pm
Normally a weekend piece, some scheduling issues forced us to push this week's edition of NFC North updates back a few days. Here's what's going on with the Packers' divisional rivals as training camps set to open up this week.

Chicago Bears

Martellus Bennett among NFL's best TEs - Windy City Gridiron


 

Bennett didn't receive much fanfare last year, what with Alshon Jeffery's breakout year and the continued excellence of Brandon Marshall and Matt Forte, but that doesn't mean he isn't a very good player. A basketball player turned tight end, the self-proclaimed "Black Unicorn" could have even more success in 2014 with Jay Cutler's anticipated improvement and the continued development of Jeffery.

The 10 Most Important Bears of 2014 - #2 Mel Tucker - Windy City Gridiron

Rash of injuries...2013 not a fair assessment...no excuses in 2014... sound familiar? Dom Capers isn't the only defensive coordinator in the North who's expected to step it up this year. Looking in the comments section, the parallels continue. Some fans look at the adversity he dealt with last year while some point to his mediocre past results. And like the front office has added Julius Peppers and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix as potential impact players in 2014, Chicago has brought in players like Lamarr Houston and Kyle Fuller. This storyline ought to be one worth observing over the course of the season.

Windy City Gridiron Interviews Brandon Marshall at the Marshall-Wade Sports Academy - Windy City Gridiron

So, apparently Brandon Marshall doesn't like training camp. Wade and Marshall have apparently been buddies for a while, and the Bears' star receiver was happy to stop by before football season begins.

Brett Favre: Cutler 'has all the tools to be a great quarterback' | CSN Chicago

Hey, Brett? You know the best way to make sure your whole jersey retirement thing never happens? Say that our hated rivals' quarterback has the potential to be great. (Or perhaps he's showing us his loyalty by convincing Chicago's front office to stick with a quarterback, who has, well, not had a great deal of success versus us.) In all seriousness, though, it seems to me that we've talked about Cutler as a project for an insanely long time. He's got a cannon arm and he can hit passes with precision. Perhaps a second year in Marc Trestman's offense is what he needs. Speaking of Marc Trestman...

Marc Trestman: Chicago Bears face 'high expectations' - NFL.com

Yup. 'High expectations' seems appropriate. As usual, the buzz is that both the Lions and Bears are geared up to challenge the Packers in the North. There's some excellent talent on this Chicago roster, particularly on the offense. It should be interesting to see how they stack up against a rejuvenated Green Bay team that has addressed its glaring hole at safety and added a potential quality pass rusher in Julius Peppers.

Detroit Lions

Honestly, this was a quiet week for the Lions. Pride of Detroit continued its excellent position-by-position preview for the team, which is worth a read if you're looking to find out more about what our foes from the Motor City will trot out this season. There was one noteworthy article, though.

Detroit Lions' Matthew Stafford drops 3 spots in Ron Jaworski's latest QB rankings | MLive.com

Stafford is 16th, which seems about right. (Like Tex said, Aaron Rodgers at 3 is a travesty, and I've pretty much given up on arguing this one.) When he's healthy and all of his targets are rolling, Stafford looks like a top-ten quarterback. Unfortunately, he's more often been a player who has flashed brilliance but also complete incompetence. Perhaps Jim Caldwell can help turn things around.

Minnesota Vikings

The Vikes got all the excitement this week. First, there was this...

Chris Kluwe Investigation: Vikings Release Partial Report, Mike Priefer Suspended, Kluwe To Sue - Daily Norseman

This is truly saddening. But let's turn our attention away from this negative figure and towards the beacon of innocence that is Chris Kluwe! Whatcha got, Chris?

Chris Kluwe apologizes for Sandusky jokes on SI Now - NFL - SI.com

Um. Yeah.

Well, after that, everyone needed, a feel-good story, so this came up...

So Adrian Peterson Got Married, Apparently - Daily Norseman

Good on 'ya, Adrian. Good on 'ya. On one side of the spectrum, you've got the Kim Kardashians of the world who revel in their personal lives being made public. Peterson, on the other hand, seems to prefer to leave his fan following on the playing field. As I mentioned over at DN, All Day might play even better with his mind off the proposal.

Vikings Tickets Up 27.7% Since Last Season In 1st Year Outside Of Metrodome

We're apparently the prime ticket of the year. 81 bucks to get in the door, with an average price of $221.06. Unsurprisingly, playing at TCF Bank Stadium this year hasn't helped ticket sales, though.

Okay, okay, I guess I've cheated by not actually adding a football-related article. Here you go.

Adrian Peterson And Trade Value - Daily Norseman

You know what? This is an interesting situation. On one hand, if you're a Vikings fan, you're fresh with hope about this coming season. Cordarelle Patterson in his second year? Yeah! New free agents on defense? Great! A fresh new pass rusher and the potential quarterback of the future? Fantastic! Then you look at the three other teams in your division, the teams in the NFC West, and you realize that you're a long shot to so much as earn a wild card spot. Trading Peterson away for an embarrassment of assets, should that opportunity somehow present itself, might prove to be prudent.

That's what we've got for this week and change! Check back next time for an early look at training camps for the rest of the North.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 23, 2014, 10:56:08 pm
 
 Yeah like Id like to see that **** happen where MINNIE trades AP.
 
 I like beer , we all like beer , but dont over do it.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 27, 2014, 10:21:40 pm

Noonan is quite critical of Cutler.  I'm not sure that I would agree with him.

By PaulNoonan  @BadgerNoonan  on Jul 27 2014, 1:00p  26 

APC looks at the Bears' offseason and tries to project Jay Cutler's play in 2014 to see if they have made enough improvements to surpass the Packers as the best team in the NFC Nort

I've seen a lot of people picking the Chicago Bears to upend the Green Bay Packers as the best team in the NFC North this season. I dare say that they have become one of those offseason darlings seized on by pundits in an attempt to prove how smart they are. After all, we all know SOME teams that didn't make the playoffs last year will jump up and the Bears showed a brilliant offense, which is really half the battle. The Bears' big problem was on defense and they at least partially addressed this by adding Lamarr Houston and Jared Allen to the mix. With some additional luck in the health department, I can understand how many people are seeing a decent defense there if they squint really hard.

The thing is, they failed to address their single biggest defensive flaw: Safety.*


 

*And the back half of the defense in general. The Bears did draft Kyle Fuller to play corner, but they're still relying heavily on the Tillman-Briggs combo in addition to the also aged and injury-prone DJ Williams, and newly acquired Adrian Wilson, who we will get to in just a second.

Defense

Safety has become more and more important to a team's defense in recent years for a few reasons. As defenses have adjusted to pass-heavy offenses many teams have started focusing more on power running. The Patriots are basically a power running team at this point. The Seahawks behind Marshawn Lynch are more or less pioneers in this area. Even the Packers are well-equipped to get tough yards inside. It's very important to have talented safeties because on many occasions they will have to serve as linebackers while still being effective in coverage. I'm sure I don't have to tell it to Packer fans as the only team that might have been worse at the position was the Chicago Bears. The Packers are addressing this problem with highly regarded first round pick Haha Clinton-Dix and by converting the surprisingly athletic Micah Hyde (who ranks 7th on Football Outsiders 2014 "breakout prospects" list").

The Bears addressed this with former Packer M.D. Jennings, some journeymen, lower draft picks, and the aged Adrian Wilson, fresh off missing an entire season due to Haglund's Deformity.*

*Rotoworld says "Haglund's deformity is most common in women. It's a bony enlargement on the back of the heel near the Achilles' tendon that often leads to bursitis, a painful inflammation of the bursa sac. It becomes irritated when rubbing against shoes. Wilson is competing for a roster spot in a wide-open Bears safety group." And that's all I have to say about that.

Wilson is the big name, but he wasn't even good for the Cardinals two years ago, ranking 57th at the position per Pro Football Focus. I'm not arguing that the Bears didn't get better on defense, as they most certainly did. Pro Football Focus had the Bears as by far the worst defensive team in all of football last season and they did acquire better talent in the front four and should see a bounce just based on luck. However, the fact is that the linebackers are either ancient or lack talent and this problem only increases as you get into the secondary. They improved, but not enough.

Offense

Marc Trestman has a reputation as a great developer of quarterbacks and his work with Josh McCown last year speaks to just how good he can be. Evan Silva of Rotoworld (and a bunch of other people, but I saw it there first) refer to him as "the Quarterback Whisperer." Where the Packers struggled mightily without their MVP, the Bears actually improved greatly under Josh McCown, and that's going to be a problem in 2014 because McCown is gone.

Before I get into this I want to state upfront that I think Jay Cutler is a better quarterback than Josh McCown and that I would project Cutler to outperform McCown this year even if both still played for the Bears, but the fact is that Josh McCown was much better than Cutler last season.

The Bear QBs combined to have 579 passing attempts last year. If you prorate out both Cutler and McCown's raw numbers so that each has 579 attempts they look like this:

Cutler - 365 completions, 4,275 yards, 31 TDs 20 picks.
McCown - 385 completions, 4,728 yards, 34 TDs, 3 picks.

This is a bit simplistic, as it doesn't account for things like the defenses they faced or their efficiency, but it helps put on display just how much better McCown was. And hey, if you like adjusting for strength of schedule and efficiency:

Football Outsiders DVOA
Cutler - 5.5% (13th overall)
McCown - 32.1% (4th overall)

Pro Football Focus also rated McCown higher (17.9 to 15.2) even though McCown had 144 fewer dropbacks. (Pro Football Focus scores are counting stats to a large extent.)

The fact is that because of Josh McCown, the Bears got exceptional quarterback play last season. Jay Cutler wasn't bad, but he was more in line with what we expect from Jay Cutler, quarterback whispering be damned.*

*While I have no statistics to back up what I am about to say, it is my professional opinion that Jay Cutler is basically an uncoachable dumbass, and will continue to be exactly what he is for the rest of his career.

The position is likely to take a step back as Cutler is likely to be Cutler, and the backups in camp are Jordan Palmer and Jimmy Clausen. If Jay Cutler misses time (and in the last four seasons Jay Cutler has missed at least some time) there will almost certainly be a huge dropoff.

A lot of people are predicting the Bears to take a step forward on offense with Cutler having had another year under Trestman to learn the system. On the other hand, I think it's much more likely that the Cutler/McCown duo collectively overachieved last year, that regression to the mean will bring the offense down to earth a bit, and if Cutler misses time he misses more than just a bit. Cutler is 31 years old. How many 31-year-olds have you seen take a big leap at the quarterback position?

Quarterback is one of the most important positions in any sport, and the marginal gains that the Bears make on defense are likely to be offset by a decline in quarterback play simply because quarterback play is so valuable. I like them as the second best team in the division, but it's going to take a bigger defensive overhaul before they are ready to unseat the Packers.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on July 27, 2014, 10:55:11 pm
McCown played against some weak ass defenses.  I trust Emery and Trestman's judgement on who the better QB is.

I also think the Bears defense is going to take a huge step forward this year.  It really comes down to injuries for both teams.  Either team loses their QB for long they are done. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 28, 2014, 12:53:48 am
 
 And there aint no turnin back.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2014, 06:57:59 am
I heard some discussion on the radio yesterday. They were discussing the supposed 5 playoff teams from last year that wont make the playoffs this year. The one that caught my attention was the Packers. And were the Pack not make the playoffs who would make the playoffs from the North.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on July 28, 2014, 07:57:29 am
Noonan is quite critical of Cutler.  I'm not sure that I would agree with him.

By PaulNoonan  @BadgerNoonan  on Jul 27 2014, 1:00p  26 

The fact is that because of Josh McCown, the Bears got exceptional quarterback play last season. Jay Cutler wasn't bad, but he was more in line with what we expect from Jay Cutler, quarterback whispering be damned.*

*While I have no statistics to back up what I am about to say, it is my professional opinion that Jay Cutler is basically an uncoachable dumbass, and will continue to be exactly what he is for the rest of his career.


 This tells you all you need to know about the writer. There is no reason to bother to read anything he says. Cutler sucks because I say so? This is what passes for intelligent sports writing these days? Pathetic.


*While I have no statistics to back up what I am about to say, it is my professional opinion that Jay Cutler is basically an uncoachable dumbass, and will continue to be exactly what he is for the rest of his career.



Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on July 28, 2014, 08:31:27 am
He'd make a good politician - no doubt
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on July 28, 2014, 04:44:58 pm
The Packers own this division.

Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 28, 2014, 07:41:50 pm
I heard some discussion on the radio yesterday. They were discussing the supposed 5 playoff teams from last year that wont make the playoffs this year. The one that caught my attention was the Packers. And were the Pack not make the playoffs who would make the playoffs from the North.  ;D ;D

Do you agree?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2014, 09:49:17 pm
I am not qualified to answer that but the people discussing it seemed knowledgeable enough to do it
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: navigator on July 29, 2014, 07:47:38 am
I think the Pack and the Bears have a real good chance to make the playoffs this year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 29, 2014, 07:18:49 pm
I agree with that.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 29, 2014, 08:21:53 pm
Julius Peppers' viewpoint.

Packers Training Camp

Photo/Mark Hoffman


THE COMPLETE GUIDE TO PACKERS TRAINING CAMP: Basics, practice times, where to watch, more
 

Green Bay — If he was feeling the weight of the entire Chicago Bears defense on his shoulders last season, Julius Peppers wouldn't say Monday.

Standing in front of his locker facing a large media gathering that he still doesn't know very well, Peppers hesitated when asked whether there was a different feeling being with the Green Bay Packers.

Does it seem like you're part of a defense here instead of being the guy expected to carry one in Chicago?

"You know, it was a different situation over there," Peppers said after the Packers practiced in pads for the first time. "I don't want to get into comparisons about here vs. there. It's a totally new situation and environment.

"I'm happy to be here and I'm excited to do what they want me to do here. It's not about what I've done in the past; it's about what they want me to do this year."

Therein lies the reason Peppers is standing in the Packers locker room following his release from Chicago. The Packers want Peppers to play a different position than he played with the Bears and complement their defensive star, Clay Matthews, not outplay him.

Peppers agreed to a three-year, $27 million deal that allows the Packers to back out with a manageable deficit if things don't work out this season. Peppers, 34, will make $8.5 million this year, but his salary cap number is only $3.5 million — about $15 million less than what it was scheduled to be in Chicago.

If the Packers cut him after this season, the salary cap hit for 2015 would be a reasonable $5 million.

They persuaded him to take that deal with a player-friendly practice schedule, an opportunity to move from end to outside linebacker and the possibility of winning a Super Bowl ring. The latter has evaded Peppers since the Carolina Panthers drafted him second overall in 2002.

Then there's that thing about expectations. Here, he's not the $91 million man he was in Chicago.

"It's never really been that," Peppers said of needing to carry a defense on his shoulders. "Some people have made it out to be that way at different times, but it's 11 guys on the field always, so everybody has to do their part.

"What I will say is that we have a very talented group of guys on the field here, a lot of depth on the second and third teams, so it's nice to look around and see that much talent."

Since signing with the Packers on March 15, Peppers has been playing outside in coordinator Dom Capers' 3-4 defense, doing things like rushing from an upright position, dropping into coverage and covering tight ends. Peppers expressed an interest in playing outside in a 3-4 after the Bears cut him and in the first three days of training camp that's all he's done.

At 6 feet 7 inches and 287 pounds, Peppers is an imposing figure on the outside. His wingspan is enormous and he uses it to his advantage both as a pass rusher and a pass defender. In the twilight of his career, he's not the player he once was, but he's hoping to find new life in a new defense.

"It's fun," Peppers said. "I'm actually having a lot of fun. I'm enjoying it. It's a little different than what I've been used to in the past. I actually think it fits my skill set better than just being down every play."

Peppers showed off Monday some of the pass-rush skill that has netted him 118½ sacks in 12 seasons. He got his arms inside tackle Derek Sherrod during a team drill and drove him back with a bull-rush that would have resulted in a sack.

But he also showed his age when a younger Bryan Bulaga stoned him on a pair of turns in the one-on-one pass-rush drill. He still has a lot to learn about playing pass coverage, too.

But players have been impressed with his physical ability.

"Julius is everything they made him out to be," linebacker Mike Neal said. "People say he's lost a step, but look at what he was doing in Chicago, 295 pounds, playing 1,000-plus snaps (actually 800-plus). You see him now, he's not taking as many reps, he's a little bit leaner and he's moving around phenomenally well."

He's coming off a year that many people thought was subpar. He played an astounding 81% of the snaps for the Bears but managed just 7½ sacks and two forced fumbles. He had a chance to put the Bears in the playoffs, but got cut by Packers fullback John Kuhn a second before he was going to sack quarterback Aaron Rodgers and end Green Bay's comeback hopes in a winner-take-all game in Week 17 at Soldier Field.

Maybe this is new life for him?

"You look at my last year," Peppers said. "Was it one of my better years? Probably not, you know, statistically. But if you compare it to a lot of the guys who played last year, it was better than a lot of guys. So, I don't really think I need to revitalize anything, just improve upon what I did last year. That's not going to be easy to do. I should be able to do it."

There are two areas where the Packers are hoping Peppers can cause the most trouble.

The first is lining up outside in a stance that won't reveal whether he's going to rush the passer or drop into coverage. It's critical for a quarterback to know if Peppers is rushing because you don't want to leave him unblocked or the responsibility of a running back.

"That's more of the issue of what you need to pay attention to," quarterback Matt Flynn said. "Once he drops into the coverage, you think of him as another defender. But pre-snap and all that, you have to make that decision whether he's coming or not. You always have to account for him wherever he's lined up."

The other area Peppers can affect is the short passing game. When he drops into coverage he has such a long wingspan that a quarterback's window to a receiver might be a lot tighter than he wants.

"I'm not surprised, but the way he's played in space has been impressive," coach Mike McCarthy said. "For any quarterback that has the out-breaking throw or you throw the hook and you have the flat defender, when (it's) a man of his range, that's a different throw.

"He's here to go towards the quarterback, we all understand that, but when he does drop he has great ability and range."

The Packers are hoping he can affect those two parts of the game and more. But they aren't expecting him to carry the defense.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 30, 2014, 10:22:49 am
"You know, it was a different situation over there," Peppers said after the Packers practiced in pads for the first time. "I don't want to get into comparisons about here vs. there. It's a totally new situation and environment.

"I'm happy to be here and I'm excited to do what they want me to do here. It's not about what I've done in the past; it's about what they want me to do this year."


Classy response.

Therein lies the reason Peppers is standing in the Packers locker room following his release from Chicago. The Packers want Peppers to play a different position than he played with the Bears and complement their defensive star, Clay Matthews, not outplay him.


The reason he's standing in the Packers locker room is he was projected to make way too much money based on his performance in 2013.  And I don't think Peppers cares about outplaying or complementing anybody else - he's going to his job.

Whether that is good enough we'll just have to see - what will Packer nation say when Peppers puts up one tackle games.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on July 30, 2014, 10:43:47 am
Um we would have been doing cart wheels if he had 1 tackle games.  How about NO STATS games???  And you can say he wants to do his job, but he sure didn't "do his job" last year with the Bears.  For how many games???
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 30, 2014, 11:02:36 am

Looking at the 2013 stats - Peppers had 3 zero tackle games and 6  one tackle games.

Incredible!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 30, 2014, 10:20:32 pm
Looking at the 2013 stats - Peppers had 3 zero tackle games and 6  one tackle games.

Incredible!

 Thats our EX-Peppers !
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on July 30, 2014, 10:30:36 pm
Peppers was terrible last season. Darned near invisible. We've upgraded without a doubt....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 30, 2014, 10:59:16 pm
I think that a lot of that had to do with his mental attitude. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 30, 2014, 11:13:16 pm
I think your responses are all reasonable - as usual.

The Bears are gradually strengthening their team.   Love it!  I think that Peppers' big goal is that SB.  It's his motivation.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 31, 2014, 10:10:24 am

I think that a lot of that had to do with his mental attitude.

Maybe.  Could be his age.   Could be injury related.

Could be all three.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on July 31, 2014, 10:35:25 am
Peppers was capable of having big games, but he was also known for taking games off. Situational pass rusher, OK, but not a starter, not anymore..
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 31, 2014, 11:15:05 am
I think Peppers problem last year was motivation. It was either contract, the new/different coaching staff, or DL teammates. But whatever the reason he didn't play at the level he was expected to play
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 31, 2014, 11:37:46 am

Bears were in playoff contention the entire season - if he can't get motivated for that...

After-all the guy is 34.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 31, 2014, 12:10:10 pm
Personally I think it was contract/Lovie related
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 31, 2014, 07:13:48 pm
Peppers is somewhat of a mystery.  He did not play like a star last year.  We will soon know whether it's age or motivation or what.

He will almost certainly have fewer starts this year and play various positions to maximize his opportunities to succeed.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 01, 2014, 02:46:39 am
Peppers is somewhat of a mystery.  He did not play like a star last year.  We will soon know whether it's age or motivation or what.

He will almost certainly have fewer starts this year and play various positions to maximize his opportunities to succeed.

 Packy,
 
 Heres the question that has to be asked ...
 
 you got Peppers ... we got Jared Allen ...
 
 which would you want ?
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: boogie on August 01, 2014, 02:36:35 pm
Here is a better question, which one would you want in their motivated prime????
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on August 01, 2014, 03:01:54 pm

you got Peppers ... we got Jared Allen ...
  which would you want ?


Allen

Here is a better question, which one would you want in their motivated prime?

Peppers
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 01, 2014, 07:19:14 pm

 Packy,
 
 Heres the question that has to be asked ...
 
 you got Peppers ... we got Jared Allen ...
 
 which would you want ?

That is not a fair question.  You   had  Peppers and we had Matthews.   Now, you have Allen and we  have Peppers AND Matthews.  I will take Matthews AND Peppers over Allen.  You must subtract Peppers from your aces.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 01, 2014, 07:24:39 pm
Posted by Josh Alper on August 1, 2014, 4:15 PM EDT

Jared Abbrederis
AP

It looks like Packers wide receiver Jared Abbrederis is going to spend his rookie season on injured reserve.

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that the Packers believe Abbrederis tore his ACL during practice on Thursday. Abbrederis was headed for more tests on Friday and coach Mike McCarthy wouldn’t confirm anything about the severity of the injury when he met the media.

Damn.  It seems every year we lose a promising rookie for the season.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 01, 2014, 07:31:23 pm
Career ended by neck injury, 2013 draft pick interning in Packers front office


GREEN BAY—In his pro debut as a running back, Johnathan Franklin came off the bench to rush for 103 yards. He figured it was the first of what would be many such games. He never suspected it would be the only game.

“I broke a long run and Eddie (Lacy) came over and said, ‘We’re going to be a great duo,’” Franklin recalled of a sideline moment in Cincinnati last season, after Franklin had broken free for a 51-yard run.

His world was full of “excitement, expectations, visions,” he said. All of that was erased by one play, the opening kickoff in a late-season game against the Minnesota Vikings.

“I don’t even remember getting hit. I just woke up on the ground. The ball came out and I knew it came out but I couldn’t even move to the ball. I was ruled out with a concussion,” Franklin recalled of the play that ended his football career.

****.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 01, 2014, 07:48:18 pm
Ed Hockule was at camp and calling penalties.  DBs complaining about how much tougher the calls will be this season.  Rodgers is happy.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 01, 2014, 08:08:10 pm
No I think it just every single Packer player is way over hyped.  You have been blessed with two HOF QB's in a row and the second one is better then the first.  It makes everyone else look better.  That gravy train has to stop at some point. 
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on August 01, 2014, 08:17:03 pm
Ed Hockule was at camp and calling penalties.  DBs complaining about how much tougher the calls will be this season.  Rodgers is happy.

Rodgers won't be happy if holding is called closer this year
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on August 01, 2014, 08:45:00 pm
We must subtract Peppers from our aces? WTF?

Someone who had either 0 or 1 tackle totals in more than half our games is in no way an ace.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 01, 2014, 09:06:43 pm
At one point, both Mike Neal and Nick Perry wore working in a team drill at outside linebacker, with Clay Matthews also on the field (RD). Look for a lot of different personnel groupings in the linebacker unit this year.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on August 01, 2014, 10:12:44 pm
Pepper's didn't just regress, he fell off the frigging truck! He went from impact to invisible overnight.....
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 01, 2014, 10:49:20 pm
He had three games where he played well.  Three all year.  He can still help a team win games he just was not worth the money the Bears were paying him anymore.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 15, 2014, 08:25:02 pm

NFL Scouts Talk Anonymously About NFC North Teams

By Athlon Sports, 8/15/14, 9:45 AM EDT
 
Scouts analyze the Bears, Lions, Packers and Vikings

Historically known as the domain of defenses like the Monsters of the Midway and the Purple People Eaters, the NFC North may be changing its image. Now home to Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford and Jay Cutler and a host of explosive playmakers, the division boasted three of the NFL’s top offenses in 2013. The Packers have been the top dog the past three seasons and are considered the favorites again this year. But both the Bears and Lions are hoping offseason changes will allow them to close the gap. And then there’s Minnesota, which has the best running back in the league in Adrian Peterson and is hoping it drafted its next franchise quarterback in Teddy Bridgewater.

 

In order to get an accurate assessment of how the four NFC North teams are shaping up heading into the 2014 season, Athlon asked NFL scouts to talk anonymously about the Bears, Lions, Packers and Vikings.

 

Note: These scouting reports come directly from NFL scouts and do not necessarily reflect the views of Athlon's editorial staff.

Chicago Bears

“The Bears saw the results of hiring offensive-minded Marc Trestman when Jay Cutler was having a productive year before a series of injuries occurred and Josh McCown stepped in and actually played even more efficiently.” …

“Chicago has an excellent set of offensive skill players with Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery on the outside with Martellus Bennett at TE and Matt Forté in the backfield.” …

 

“Their line got a huge boost from rookies Kyle Long and Jordan Mills after they had signed Jermon Bushrod in free agency.” …

 

“If they can get any sort of improvement from the defense, the Bears should compete for NFC honors. Defensive coordinator Mel Tucker is well respected around the league, but in all honesty, his statistics at Cleveland, Jacksonville and last year, have left some wondering about his future as a potential NFL head coach.” …

 

“Still, they were derailed by injuries and have since released Julius Peppers. However, a full makeover is underway with the additions of Jared Allen and Lamarr Houston. Allen has plenty left in the tank and Houston was often overlooked as a dependable starter in Oakland.” …

 

“DTs Ego Ferguson (LSU) and Will Sutton (Arizona State) were picked in the second and third rounds and the linebackers have to stay healthy despite their age (D.J. Williams and Lance Briggs).” …

 

“Tim Jennings has coaxed a ton out of his body to become a long-time pro, while [Charles] Peanut Tillman is nearing the end as a starting corner. Hence, the selection of CB Kyle Fuller (Virginia Tech) in the first round.” …

 

“The safeties won’t strike fear in anybody, so this entire secondary will need to be overhauled over the next two years.” …

 

“In a sentence, the Bears should be spectacular on offense, and if Tucker and Co. can turn things around defensively, this team has a chance to have a special year.” …

 

Detroit Lions

“After the Lions faltered down the stretch of the 2013 season with the division title in sight, the organization fired Jim Schwartz and hired Jim Caldwell. Caldwell has two tasks: to improve the consistency of Matthew Stafford and eliminate the on-field discipline issues that have plagued this team over the past five seasons.” …

 

“Stafford and Calvin Johnson have posted bigger numbers than any tandem since 2008, but they still added Golden Tate to the mix as an alternative, different style of receiver than Megatron. Kris Durham is a favorite of Stafford, despite his lack of all-out speed and athleticism.” …

 

“Brandon Pettigrew was retained, but that didn’t keep them from taking Eric Ebron with the No. 10 pick. The Lions got great mileage out of undrafted free agent Joseph Fauria who caught 10 touchdown passes as a rookie.” …

 

“Reggie Bush was everything advertised as a runner and receiver and the club likes the idea of pairing him off with Joique Bell.” …

 

“The offensive line is adequate with Riley Reiff at left tackle, Dominic Raiola in the middle and Larry Warford coming off a very secure rookie campaign.” …

 

“Teryl Austin takes over as the defensive coordinator and Detroit certainly has one of the best fronts in the entire league. Ndamukong Suh, Nick Fairley, Ziggy Ansah and Jason Jones all have significant talent and watch for Devin Taylor to reveal himself as a quality young prospect this year.” …

 

“The linebackers are undersized with Stephen Tulloch leading the way as a tackler.” …

 

“Austin recruited James Ihedigbo from the Ravens, but between he and Glover Quin, not sure they are good enough back there.” …

 

“On the corners, Rashean Mathis returns for another year, despite Detroit drafting Darius Slay in the second round a year ago.” …

 

“Chris Houston’s toe injury has been problematic during the offseason [Editor’s note: Houston was released by the team in June], so they also drafted Nevin Lawson (Utah State) to add depth on the edge.” …

 

“Turnovers and the ability to make critical plays at critical times will determine if Caldwell is a successful hire.” …

 

“Caldwell is charged with turning this group of underachievers into division winners, and for that to happen, he will need stellar performances from Stafford and a defense that will be tested at all levels in the NFC North." ...

 

Green Bay Packers

“Somehow without Aaron Rodgers for seven games, the Packers made the playoffs. Give credit to coach Mike McCarthy and GM Ted Thompson who have both quietly put together a solid record of leadership and success.” …

 

“Rodgers is at the top of his game and has performed through quite a bit of adversity over the past two seasons. Neither the offensive line nor receivers are what he had earlier in his career, but the running game is better with Eddie Lacy.” …

 

“Some Alabama insiders felt Lacy had more talent than Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson, and they were proven right with his 1178 yards as a rookie.” …

 

“Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb are both very good players and they added Davante Adams from Fresno State in the second round.” …

 

“David Bakhtiari is just OK as the left tackle, so they need Bryan Bulaga to return from injury in order to bolster their edge protection. J.C. Tretter projects well to center, but actually played LT at Cornell and spent most of 2013 on IR. All-Pro guard Josh Sitton can help him in that transition.” …

 

“On defense, Dom Capers seems to have lost some of his 3-4 magic, however, that may be more of a talent issue.” …

 

“Mike Daniels has become a dependable pro and they need Datone Jones to make big progress in his second year. B.J. Raji was brought back on a one-year deal, but he has to play better.” …

 

“A.J. Hawk has never made the splash plays of a top 5 pick and Brad Jones is only an adequate NFL starter. Clay Matthews is the best player on their D and the Packers signed Julius Peppers to rush from the opposite side, but no one has any idea how Capers will plug him into their system.” …

 

“Sammie Shields was deservedly extended in March, but Tramon Williams is on the other side of it, so Casey Hayward or Micah Hyde could push for a starting role this year.”…

 

“The safety play was atrocious last season and was their biggest need in the offseason. The Packers selected Alabama’s Ha Ha Clinton-Dix with the 21st pick of the first round and he is an athletic centerfielder.” …

 

“As long as Rodgers is healthy, this team will always have a chance to compete, but if Green Bay wants to talk Super Bowl, they must get production from Peppers and play at a much higher level along both lines of scrimmage.” …

 

Minnesota Vikings

 



“The Vikings are the NFC version of the Bills in that they have put together a solid, playoff-contending roster, but the QB position is the big issue here. GM Rick Spielman has at least a partial miss with Christian Ponder, but that didn’t prevent them from taking Louisville’s Teddy Bridgewater at the end of the first round.” …

 

“They hired Mike Zimmer to fix an underachieving defense.” …

 

“Offensively, they literally have a blue-chip caliber talent in every position group except QB. Adrian Peterson is still the best RB in the game, Matt Khalil is one of the best young tackles in the league, Kyle Rudolph is a quality TE and Cordarrelle Patterson has incredible upside. With that said, Zimmer hired Norv Turner as his offensive coordinator to either fix Ponder and/or Matt Cassel and develop Bridgewater.” …

 

“Jared Allen moved to the Bears after the Vikings opted to retain a younger Everson Griffen and sign DT Linval Joseph from the Giants. Shariff Floyd is a major key to a defensive turnaround, he has to be more consistent and provide an interior pass rush against the QBs in this division.” …

 

“The linebackers are good enough when healthy, but Chad Greenway, Matt Mauti and Gerald Hodges have all missed time in the past, therefore, their original first round pick, UCLA’s Anthony Barr, will be expected to play and contribute this year.” …

 

“Maybe the weakest part of this roster is the secondary. Chris Cook signed with the 49ers, but Xavier Rhodes and Josh Robinson are the incumbent returners who will compete with Panthers’ signee Captain Munnerlyn.” …

 

“The safeties are just ordinary with SS Jamarca Sanford and FS Hunter Smith patrolling the deep part of the field…

 

“If this organization can figure out the QB and Zimmer can fix the D, the Vikings may in fact have a positive future after all.” …
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 25, 2014, 07:08:34 am
So Sunday, football all day starting at 8:30am CST?  I could get used to teams playing out of the country for that!

Lions vs Falcons at 8:30am... what a country!  Go dirty birds!
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: 46 on October 25, 2014, 10:26:51 am
Sooo.....I can start drinking at 8 a. m. ? The 46 needs to needs to make sure the beer grotto is stocked.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 25, 2014, 11:17:33 am
Yes.  Start at 8, rinse, repeat... until about 8pm
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 25, 2014, 11:38:16 pm
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/slides/photos/003/705/450/c6958c65324bfe831b3efddec7de2140_crop_north.jpg?w=474&h=316&q=75)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: VJ on October 27, 2014, 07:57:38 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr06nF4j56s
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 29, 2014, 08:27:58 pm



 VJ,


 Sure as **** ... you try to do the right thing ... but it gets quashed.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 27, 2015, 10:43:06 pm
A view of NFCN:

Vic Ketchman

packers.com editor

Ask Vic a question

New coach remains noncommittal on Jay Cutler's future

PHOENIX—John Fox is a veteran coach who’s made 17 moves throughout his career, coached the Carolina Panthers and Denver Broncos to the Super Bowl, and is now being counted on to turn the Chicago Bears into playoff contenders.

“I’ve been blessed to be in the tournament several times, but I haven’t won one yet. I’m in it for the love of the game. If they run me out of here, I’ll run out of here,” Fox said at Wednesday morning’s NFC coaches breakfast.

Fox entertained a crowded table of reporters by graciously answering every question posed to him.

What do you think of your rival, the Packers?

“I’ve known Mike McCarthy for a long time. They’ve done a tremendous job. They’re where they are and we have to catch up quick,” Fox said.

How quickly the Bears are able to catch up to the Packers will likely determine how Fox will be judged in his most recent career move.

Two major issues confront him: Fix the defense and improve the play at quarterback.

“I’d say he’d be first on the depth chart,” Fox said of Jay Cutler, who’s struggled in his career to make success match his considerable talent for throwing a football.

Cutler’s future with the Bears is the No. 1 concern among Bears fans and media. Is he the team’s future at the position? It’s a question to which Fox remains noncommittal.

“I’m going to watch him on the field, look at all the practice tape. We’ll evaluate that at every position,” Fox said when asked directly about Cutler’s future.

Reading between the lines isn’t difficult. For Cutler to remain the Bears’ quarterback, he must improve his play.

How long will it take to show improvement on defense?

“Great question. I got it from our board of directors,” Fox joked. “I think it’ll be sooner than later.”

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NFC coaches breakfast hosted in Phoenix
It is on defense, which is Fox’s specialty, the Bears are likely to train their immediate focus. They just signed free-agent defensive end Ray McDonald, and Fox talked about doing more work in free agency before the focus turns to the draft, where the Bears have the No. 7 overall pick.

“We’re piecing it together. There’s still a lot of work to be done in free agency. There are still a lot of good players that are signable,” Fox said.

The Bears compete in a division that boasts offensive stars, led by MVP Aaron Rodgers. You can’t beat the Packers if you can’t play defense.

“They haven’t had success. That’s why you’re there. It tends to be a little overnegative. Sometimes when you come in, there’s new light,” Fox said.

Fox is the new light in Chicago, just as he was the new light in Carolina and Denver. He’s a guy who turns losing into winning. That’s his reputation and the Bears are depending on it.

“It’s all an open competition. You have to start somewhere. We have to start with some kind of lineup,” Fox said.

The reconstruction of the Chicago Bears would seem to have begun.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 28, 2015, 03:01:14 pm



 It has to be proven on the field.


 What THE CHICAGO BEARS have never done in recent years ...


 is BEAT THE GREEN BAY PACKERS on such field.
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 06, 2015, 12:11:30 am
NFC NORTH

Chicago Bears
Thumbs up. Only time will tell if the Bears properly evaluated the 2015 draft class. However, the front office seemed intent on correcting past mistakes. In 2014, the Bears drafted a defensive tackle (second round), running back (fourth round) and safety (fourth round). This year, Chicago took a defensive tackle (second round), running back (fourth round) and safety (fifth round). Look familiar? The best part of the Bears' draft is they resisted the urge to reach on players in the top three rounds. -- Jeff Dickerson

Detroit Lions
Thumbs up. Pretty impressed overall with what the Lions did in this draft. They came in with a clear goal to revamp the run game and all of their offensive picks slanted toward making sure that happened. Defensively they filled needs at defensive tackle, cornerback and maybe, with Alex Carter, down the road at safety. Overall this has been a safe, smart draft for Detroit. -- Michael Rothstein

Green Bay Packers
Thumbs up. The Packers were a few minutes and a couple of plays away from the Super Bowl last season, so it's not like this team needs instant help to contend. But if the Packers can get one of their two defensive backs -- Damarious Randall or Quinten Rollins -- to make some splash plays, and if third-round receiver Ty Montgomery can give a jolt to the return game, that might be enough. -- Rob Demovsky

Minnesota Vikings
Thumbs up. This draft could be tough to judge for several years thanks to the number of talented, yet unrefined, players the Vikings took. But they addressed two of their biggest needs on defense by picking Trae Waynes and UCLA linebacker Eric Kendricks, and tackle T.J. Clemmings could be a steal in the fourth round (though it’s worth keeping in mind that he fell as far as he did because of a foot injury). It might not be the kind of draft that delivers a major jolt to the roster in 2015, and there are a fair number of risks among the Vikings’ 10 picks. But the group, as a whole, has promise, and the Vikings touched on many of their needs. -- Ben Goessling
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on August 09, 2015, 08:39:15 pm
https://youtu.be/Y7DnhH25tLE (https://youtu.be/Y7DnhH25tLE)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on August 09, 2015, 08:46:36 pm
https://youtu.be/QpHiojfewp8 (https://youtu.be/QpHiojfewp8)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on August 09, 2015, 08:59:12 pm
https://youtu.be/E_83ZfPl1Wg (https://youtu.be/E_83ZfPl1Wg)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on August 09, 2015, 09:10:42 pm
https://youtu.be/KA2fHoUkG2g (https://youtu.be/KA2fHoUkG2g)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on August 09, 2015, 09:14:24 pm
https://youtu.be/_l99FTqfLOM (https://youtu.be/_l99FTqfLOM)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on August 09, 2015, 09:42:04 pm
https://youtu.be/LRVMr-b6nls (https://youtu.be/LRVMr-b6nls)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on August 09, 2015, 10:03:22 pm
https://youtu.be/Hlgwj6OaBzs (https://youtu.be/Hlgwj6OaBzs)
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 11, 2015, 04:41:25 pm



 Otto,


 A new season begins,you don't have any choice but to follow along with it.


 We're gonna GETCHA !!  :D
Title: Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 12, 2015, 07:28:48 pm
Hey Otto....

93-91-6  Enough said!