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Title: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on April 12, 2011, 10:33:38 am
What's going on around the league?
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Post by: AZSteve on April 12, 2011, 03:48:21 pm
I'll check
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 15, 2011, 12:16:35 am

 I heard there may be a lockout.
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Post by: navigator on April 15, 2011, 01:05:23 pm
I think you're right, there is a lockout but players keep getting arrested.
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Post by: boogie on April 15, 2011, 01:20:35 pm
Players Lockout WC lockout, Cooincidence???
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Post by: packrat on April 16, 2011, 11:24:56 am
Check out the failure rate for frist round QB draftees:

Posted by Mike Florio on April 16, 2011, 10:24 AM EDT
 Greg Cosell’s observation that teams with needs at quarterback could reach for quarterbacks in round one of the draft has caused us to wonder whether the raw number of quarterbacks taken in round one could eclipse the all-time record for first-round quarterbacks.

The high-water mark came in 1983, when six quarterbacks became first-round picks:  John Elway, Todd Blackledge, Jim Kelly, Tony Eason, Ken O’Brien, and Dan Marino (pictured).

In 28 years since then, only one class had as many as five.  In 1999, Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper, and Cade McNown exited the board in round one.  All five were picked in the first 12 selections, with the next quarterback — Shaun King — drafted 38 spots later.

Four quarterbacks were drafted in the first round of three other drafts.  In 1987, Vinny Testaverde, Kelly Stouffer, Chris Miller, and Jim Harbaugh were picked in the first round.  In 2003, it was Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, and Rex Grossman.  Most recently, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, and J.P. Losman entered the league via round one in 2004.

In 2011, the number of prospects coupled with the teams that have needs at the position could result in up to seven first-round quarterbacks being taken.  Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert are regarded as sure-fire top-ten picks.  Thereafter, one or more of the next five quarterbacks could be picked in round one:  Jake Locker, Ryan Mallett, Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton, and Colin Kaepernick.

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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 17, 2011, 01:31:10 am

 This draft looks to be super heavy in defense...be that as it may it could work out best for us.

 The only one we need is a DT and after that go OL.

 However the OL draftees are so slim that we dont get any quality if the top tier guys are gone by the 29th pick.

 This could be another angelo gee that guy looks too sweet to pass on in defense and we better get him because any good OL are already gone type of thing.

 Of course angelo could always trade up to protect Cutler...

 OR...angelo goes OL with the first  if somthing falls to us.

 But we know angelo...given a DT or OL with the 29th...

 where would he go?
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 17, 2011, 08:46:32 pm
DL, clearly
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 17, 2011, 08:50:36 pm
I remember last draft and we were hoping for an OT and Angelo said he had his eye on a OT. That OT turned into 7th round draft Webb. Thats how much Angelo values OLmen
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 18, 2011, 12:59:07 am

 Yeah thats what scares me Wsh, with it being defense heavy in this draft, angelo will tag along and get somthing in the first that he could have gotten in the second.

 Passing on OL in the first.

 If there is a class A stud DT at 29 then take him...

 but also if there is a class A stud at OL then take him first.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 18, 2011, 05:43:36 am
I think the worthy OTs will be gone by #29 as that article stated and if there was one left he would have warts as Pompei explained. Furthermore Angelo hasnt had any success drafting DTs in the third round. So he has done plenty of hitting and missing as far as OTs and DTs go. His track record doesnt inspire confidence.
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Post by: yapper on April 18, 2011, 06:05:11 pm
Check out the failure rate for frist round QB draftees:

Posted by Mike Florio on April 16, 2011, 10:24 AM EDT
 Greg Cosell’s observation that teams with needs at quarterback could reach for quarterbacks in round one of the draft has caused us to wonder whether the raw number of quarterbacks taken in round one could eclipse the all-time record for first-round quarterbacks.

The high-water mark came in 1983, when six quarterbacks became first-round picks:  John Elway, Todd Blackledge, Jim Kelly, Tony Eason, Ken O’Brien, and Dan Marino (pictured).

In 28 years since then, only one class had as many as five.  In 1999, Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper, and Cade McNown exited the board in round one.  All five were picked in the first 12 selections, with the next quarterback — Shaun King — drafted 38 spots later.

Four quarterbacks were drafted in the first round of three other drafts.  In 1987, Vinny Testaverde, Kelly Stouffer, Chris Miller, and Jim Harbaugh were picked in the first round.  In 2003, it was Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, and Rex Grossman.  Most recently, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, and J.P. Losman entered the league via round one in 2004.


Man... you look at that list post the Marino/Kelly class and out of all those names and years you've really got about 5 guys that made their teams significantly better for a long period of time (Big Ben, McNabb, Rivers, Carson Palmer and Eli Manning if you're being generous). And out of all those names exactly two have won SuperBowls (Big Ben and Manning).

This is why I've always been super skeptical about taking QBs in the 1st round or at least the Top 10.  The risk/reward is just so heavily skewed toward failure.
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Post by: yapper on April 18, 2011, 06:34:08 pm
Bears may dodge a bullet on the Tampa game scheduled in London:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/18/london-game-will-be-moved-to-tampa-if-lockout-doesnt-end-by-august-1/
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 18, 2011, 10:41:30 pm
Bears may dodge a bullet on the Tampa game scheduled in London:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/18/london-game-will-be-moved-to-tampa-if-lockout-doesnt-end-by-august-1/

 Well lets see what happens.

 Glazers have an interest in being in England...partial owners of Manchester United.

 BEARS may be just along for the ride to promote NFL football...and yacht buddies.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 19, 2011, 12:33:46 am
I really hope they play that game in Tampa. I already have been there in that stadium. Would love to go watch the Bears play there
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Post by: guest77 on April 19, 2011, 11:45:40 am
Most of the Bucs games I have been to in Tampa were against the Bears when they were in the old NFC Central.  Many times the Bears fans outnumbered the Bucs fans significantly.  RJ is a fun stadium with that Pirate Ship and the fans are pretty laid back.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 19, 2011, 01:21:02 pm
It was enjoyable and the weather was good too.
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Post by: yapper on April 19, 2011, 01:58:44 pm
If the game happens in London it says it's scheduled for October 22.

So I assume if it doesn't happen in London it will be in Tampa the same date.  That's a really nice time of year to be down there. A lot better than early September, for sure.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 19, 2011, 02:52:11 pm
Absolutely, but with the breeze off the ocean it isnt that bad
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 20, 2011, 05:22:06 am
It can stil be pretty brutal late October, but I'd take my chances then over the guarantee fry fest in early September.
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Post by: chifaninva on April 20, 2011, 07:49:38 am
Yep, I'd been to a game in Tampa when it was the old Central Division. There were more Bears fans than Tampa fans...
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Post by: guest77 on April 20, 2011, 10:46:47 am
It can stil be pretty brutal late October, but I'd take my chances then over the guarantee fry fest in early September.

One can bake quite thoroughly in Florida through the end of October.  There is no shade in Raymond James.  I remember some early season games in the old "Sombrero" where I cooked out there.  Of course, frequent Beer supplementation allowed me to slog through it.  It was a blast back then...a bunch of us Bear fans would chant..."throw it Vinny, throw it" because of Testaverdes interceptions were so bad.  I saw signs saying "Cut off their Testaverdes"  A good time was had by all and the Bears usually won those games.
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Post by: Keysbear on April 20, 2011, 11:18:41 am
A guy I worked with had season tickets. He always gave me his seat when the Bears came to town. Always a good time and never any issues with the Tampa fans. They were cool. Of course that was a long time ago.
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Post by: yapper on April 20, 2011, 11:26:06 am
If Josh Freeman stays healthy that Bucs team is gonna be tough this year and just keep getting better.  Freeman is the type of good, young, coachable QB that plenty of GMs would kill to have on their teams right now. They took a huge risk on Legarrete Blount and so far that's worked out so they're set at RB. The Bucs IMO are one playmaker on each side of the ball away from making serious noise for a long time.

I would not be shocked if both NFC wildcard teams came out of the NFC South this year. Although, the Saints were definitely exposed in that playoff loss to Seattle.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 20, 2011, 09:45:16 pm

 Hey Yap fuuck Freeman...

 if Stafford goes 16 games we have our work cut out for us in our own backyard along with G.B.

 Minnie is a QB away also.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 20, 2011, 09:49:51 pm
 Now if the AGENT can just convince Minnie to sign McNabb... ;D ;)

 That would be a piising spree for Peppers!
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 21, 2011, 05:22:12 am
The late years of the Sombrero were always well attended by both the Bears and Packers fans.  I bought season 4 tickets to the Bucs when we moved there in 1996.  They had a 4 pack deal that you could purchase the whole season at about the 5 yard line for, get this... $600.  I kid you not, 4 full season tickets for $150 each.  It was two years before the Bucs would move to RJ so I jumped on that as a way to see the Bears every year, as well as a lot of the other teams that I had never seen.

Two years later, our new seats were abouve the visitor tunnel down by the ship and I think the price went to $33/ticket.  I was splitting the cost with 3 other guys so no sweat, but literally it was like 2 years and the league realigned the Bucs out of the Central  >:(  We held onto the seats long enough to cover our seat deposit for 10 years, and then cut bait. The price went to $99/seat the year we dumped them - it was like a $25/seat increase.  Thos last years, I would just go to one game with the family and sell my others at face.

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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 22, 2011, 03:12:36 am
The late years of the Sombrero were always well attended by both the Bears and Packers fans.  I bought season 4 tickets to the Bucs when we moved there in 1996.  They had a 4 pack deal that you could purchase the whole season at about the 5 yard line for, get this... $600.  I kid you not, 4 full season tickets for $150 each.  It was two years before the Bucs would move to RJ so I jumped on that as a way to see the Bears every year, as well as a lot of the other teams that I had never seen.

Two years later, our new seats were abouve the visitor tunnel down by the ship and I think the price went to $33/ticket.  I was splitting the cost with 3 other guys so no sweat, but literally it was like 2 years and the league realigned the Bucs out of the Central  >:(  We held onto the seats long enough to cover our seat deposit for 10 years, and then cut bait. The price went to $99/seat the year we dumped them - it was like a $25/seat increase.  Thos last years, I would just go to one game with the family and sell my others at face.

Look at the bright side G34,at least you aint a Dodgers fan holding tickets.

Those slime that own the Dodgers ran the team into the ground.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 22, 2011, 05:56:10 am
I definitely see the bright side, those were the years my sons were growing up - me too!  It was a blast while it lasted, and now on to other things.

Starting the year of the big ticket hike in prices, the Bucs are back to playing their games in front of empty seats and the locals are blacked out.  I always thought the owners killed the golden goose be raising prices to the point that someone couldn't go to one game a year.  Drop the prices, and fill the stadium.  I would think the concessions and parking would see a big bump.
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Post by: yapper on April 22, 2011, 08:00:22 am
Grizz, maybe I'm wrong but hasn't the economy of the state in Florida pretty much tanked big-time under the fine leadership of our current President?

If the locals are struggling to pay their bills it's going to be pretty hard for pro sports franchises to squeeze a lot of shekels out of them, I'm thinking.  Especially in Florida where there are so many other ways you can spend sunny Sunday afternoons for free.

Having fans of opposing teams come to Tampa may be that franchise's only shot at having a reasonably filled stadium from one Sunday to the next.
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Post by: guest77 on April 22, 2011, 12:38:34 pm
Grizz, maybe I'm wrong but hasn't the economy of the state in Florida pretty much tanked big-time under the fine leadership of our current President?

If the locals are struggling to pay their bills it's going to be pretty hard for pro sports franchises to squeeze a lot of shekels out of them, I'm thinking.  Especially in Florida where there are so many other ways you can spend sunny Sunday afternoons for free.

Having fans of opposing teams come to Tampa may be that franchise's only shot at having a reasonably filled stadium from one Sunday to the next.

 
To be fair, the economy in Florida started tanking well before the current President.  We began feeling the pinch here when gas started skyrocketing in 2008.  Curiously, gas prices dropped right before the election, but have been climbing back ever since, almost back now to summer of '08 levels.  Combine energy costs, the tanking of real estate, the rise in inflation, the tourism-dependent industries and it's a perfect storm for a $hitty economy here.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2011, 01:19:44 pm
My son had a very difficult time finding a job recently.
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Post by: yapper on April 22, 2011, 03:04:20 pm
Interesting:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/22/nfl-could-cancel-weeks-2-and-4-without-losing-any-divisional-games/

For what it's worth, cancelling Weeks 2 and 4 for the Bears would mean not playing the Saints on the road (a probable loss) and not facing Carolina in Chicago (a likely win).
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 22, 2011, 08:25:58 pm

 I hear the owners have worked things out up to the Superbowl about the lockout.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 23, 2011, 06:31:17 am
Florida tanked big time on real estate and I lost my job in 2009.  Maybe the season tickets were the thread that was keeping my job alive, I don't know, lol...  True, Florida's economy tanked but I think if you kept tickets at a more reasonable level you would sell more seats.  I hadn't seen a $24/seat ticket price ever, but it probably crept up $5/seat each year on average.  That last year, I just wonder who the brainiac was in the Buc's front office that said let's jack the prices up 30% - nice.

Now I will say that my old section is sold out, someone came and bought those seats so good for them.  But, many other seats have never been sold out now and the Bucs didn't have one sell out last year, so there you go.  Now don't get me started about having to buy preseason games...
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 23, 2011, 06:32:02 am
and OBTW, we are loving Tennessee now!!
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Post by: 46 on April 23, 2011, 11:21:01 am
Kinda surprising isn't it? You and the Mrs. been to Gatlinburg? Lotsa fun on the cheap. Get a cabin.  Just read where Brandon Marshall was stabbed in the stomach last night by the mrs. If the lockout keeps going, aren't going to be any players left.  All dead or in jail. Preds won in Cali. Go figure. For the hockey fans, that's a nice building here to watch the games. Very family, cheap to park, easy in and out of the city.   Beer half price thru the first period. Did I mention Tn has no state tax?
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Post by: guest77 on April 23, 2011, 01:05:00 pm
tennessee sounds nice! sure not looking forward to our 90 degrees season in Florida
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Post by: packrat on April 23, 2011, 05:51:40 pm
I don't have any special love for the NFL owners but I have to be strongly agin' the NFLPA.  If they succeed in their crazy efforts there would be no cap  limit or draft or any other system to assure balance in the league.

Their position shows no interest in the fans or the best scenario for the future of the NFL.  Hard to love those guys.
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Post by: wizard61 on April 23, 2011, 06:04:15 pm
If the nfl turns into a richest-man-wins league, I won't watch.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 24, 2011, 06:49:49 am
46 - We were up in Gatlinburg a few years ago on a trip from Florida.  Now that we are here, wife wants to take vacation in... wait for it...Florida.  Go figure!  Have you been to hike around Radnor Lake near Brentwood?  Very easy and very scenic, that was a great 2 hours.

If the Hawks get by the Canucks (which is still well in doubt - tonight's game is the key), I'd love to go see the Hawks and Preds. 

Your wife stabbed Brandon Marshall? 
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Post by: chifaninva on April 24, 2011, 08:45:34 am
If the nfl turns into a richest-man-wins league, I won't watch.

Agree!
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Post by: Pekin on April 24, 2011, 09:27:47 am
Same here.   I used to watch baseball but quit watching many years ago.
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Post by: Pekin on April 24, 2011, 09:29:07 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/23/at-least-one-agent-wants-no-draft-at-all/

Anyone still on the players side after reading that article?
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Post by: packrat on April 24, 2011, 03:21:55 pm
Ditto.
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Post by: Phill23 on April 24, 2011, 05:22:32 pm
You guys will watch irregardless. 
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Post by: packrat on April 24, 2011, 06:49:33 pm
Quote
irregardless.?

No such word.
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Post by: Pekin on April 24, 2011, 08:24:25 pm
Not if there is no draft and salary cap and every player goes to the highest bidder.  I don't want to watch a league like the players want.  I quit watching baseball and I will quit watching football.  Hell I don't even bother watching college football very much because Illinois sucks.  The NFL is the only pro sport I watch and if they f-uck it up I will quit watching.

Heck I am not even very pumped for the draft this year due to the bulls-hit going on with the labor dispute.   
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2011, 06:02:02 pm
Was warching WGN for the 6:00 news and they anounced Judge Nelson ruled for a lifting of the lockout. Bet that gets appealed
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Post by: yapper on April 25, 2011, 06:09:42 pm
Was warching WGN for the 6:00 news and they anounced Judge Nelson ruled for a lifting of the lockout. Bet that gets appealed

I'm sure the appeal is being feverishly drafted as we speak... or more likely, was 90% pre-written ahead of the ruling and now they just need to drop in some language and submit it.  It may be on the judge's desk already as we speak.

Anytime our judicial system (or Congress) gets involved in pro sports it's a bad thing.
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Post by: Pekin on April 25, 2011, 06:11:15 pm
This isn't over but sure doesn't look good for the NFL and football in general.  If the players get their way football as we know it is gone.  It will be just like baseball.
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Post by: yapper on April 25, 2011, 06:17:27 pm
Meanwhile, since the NFL is again at least temporarily open for business, the smart GMs are busting ass right now to get some player trades done before the draft.  The timing of this ruling -- three days before the draft instead of waiting till afterwards -- is huge and may result in at least a few teams' re-writing their draft boards between now and then depending on what trades go down.   
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2011, 06:37:01 pm
Well the Bears better have been prepared. We need a crapload of help.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2011, 06:50:54 pm
Judge ends lockout; owners to appealEmail Print Comments725 Associated Press


U.S. District Court Judge Susan Richard Nelson has granted NFL players their motion for a preliminary injunction, therefore lifting the lockout

MINNEAPOLIS -- In this epic NFL game, the players have an early lead on the owners.

U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson ordered an immediate end to the lockout Monday, siding with the players in their fight with the owners over how to divide the $9 billion business.


Judge Susan Nelson's Report
 U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson ordered an end to the NFL lockout Monday. Read the ruling here. Report (PDF)

Nelson granted a request for a preliminary injunction to lift the two-month lockout, saying she was swayed by the players' argument that the NFL's first work stoppage since 1987 is hurting their careers.

The plaintiffs "have made a strong showing that allowing the League to continue their 'lockout' is presently inflicting, and will continue to inflict, irreparable harm upon them, particularly when weighed against the lack of any real injury that would be imposed on the NFL by issuing the preliminary injunction," Nelson wrote.

The NFL said it would ask Nelson to put her order on hold with a stay so it can pursue an expedited appeal to the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis.

"We believe that federal law bars injunctions in labor disputes," the league said. "We are confident that the Eighth Circuit will agree. But we also believe that this dispute will inevitably end with a collective bargaining agreement, which would be in the best interests of players, clubs and fans. We can reach a fair agreement only if we continue negotiations toward that goal."

Said Jim Quinn, an attorney for the players: "They better act quickly, because as of right now there's no stay and, presumably, players could sign with teams. There are no guidelines as of right now, so they have to put something in place quickly.

"It is their league: They can put in whatever they decide. If they put in something not restrictive to the players and fair to the players, that is fine. If not, we will litigate."

If the injunction is upheld, the NFL must resume business, although under what guidelines is uncertain.


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It could invoke the 2010 rules for free agency, meaning players would need six seasons of service before becoming unrestricted free agents when their contracts expire; previously, it was four years. The requirement for unrestricted free agents would be four years rather than the three years before 2010. There also was no salary cap in 2010, meaning teams could spend as much -- or as little -- as they wanted.

Also, the NFL would need to determine what or if offseason workouts can be held while the appeal is being heard.

Clearly, it's complicated.

The NFL has even argued to Nelson that stopping the lockout would open all 32 teams up to additional antitrust claims simply for working together to solve the labor dispute. Antitrust claims carry triple damages for any harm proven, meaning hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake.

At the hearing before Nelson on April 6, the crux of the argument from NFL lawyer David Boies was that the court shouldn't have control of a conflict that grew out of a labor dispute. Boies even tried to lighten the mood by telling her, "No lawyer ever wants to stand in front of a judge and say, 'You don't have jurisdiction.'"

The owners, in support of their argument, pointed to their pending unfair labor charge filed with the National Labor Relations Board that the players didn't negotiate in good faith.

Nelson disagreed -- and threw cold water on that hope, too.

"Although the NFL has filed a charge here, the NLRB has yet to issue any complaint and, in this court's considered judgment, it is likely that the Board will dismiss the charge," she wrote in her ruling.

Owners imposed the lockout after talks broke down March 11 and the players disbanded their union. A group of players filed the injunction request along with a class-action antitrust lawsuit against the league.

Nelson rejected the league's prediction that the NLRB would see the union's breakup as temporary, thus supporting the assertion that the dissolution was purely a tactical move.


"There is no legal support for any requirement that a disclaimer be permanent," Nelson wrote. "Employees have the right not only to organize as a union but also to refrain from such representation and, as relevant here, to 'de-unionize.'"

Nelson also stated that the so-called decertification was legitimate because of "serious consequences" for the players.

"This court need not resolve the debate about whether their motive was influenced by the expectation of this litigation," she wrote, calling that question irrelevant as long as the union followed through on the breakup.

Nelson heard arguments on the injunction at a hearing on April 6 and ordered the two sides to resume mediation while she was considering her decision. The owners and players, who failed to reach consensus after 16 days of mediated talks earlier this year, met over four days with a federal magistrate but did not announce any progress on solving the impasse.

They are not scheduled to meet again until May 16, four days after another judge holds a hearing on whether players should get damages in their related fight with owners over some $4 billion in broadcast revenue.

And now comes Nelson's decision to lift the injunction.

"[T]he public ramifications of this dispute exceed the abstract principles of the antitrust laws, as professional football involves many layers of tangible economic impact, ranging from broadcast revenues down to concessions sales," she wrote. "And, of course, the public interest represented by the fans of professional football -- who have a strong investment in the 2011 season -- is an intangible interest that weighs against the lockout. In short, this particular employment dispute is far from a purely private argument over compensation."

With appeals expected, the fight seems likely to drag on through the spring and, possibly, into the summer. The closer it gets to August, when training camps and the preseason get into full swing, the more likely it becomes that regular season games will be lost.

The NFL is going forward with the draft, which begins Thursday night.

Dolphins alternate player representative John Denney said he didn't think the ruling was the end of the dispute.

"Right now we got what we wanted, but it may be temporary," he said. "We'll have to let the judicial process play out."

And the antitrust lawsuit is pending, too, with lead plaintiffs that include MVP quarterbacks Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. The suit has been combined with two other similar claims from retirees, former players and rookies-to-be, with Hall of Fame defensive end Carl Eller the lead plaintiff in that group.

Osi Umenyiora, the New York Giants defensive end and one of the plaintiffs, called the ruling a "win for the players and for the fans" in a statement.

"The lockout is bad for everyone, and players will continue to fight it," Umenyiora said. "We hope that this will bring us one step closer to playing the game we love."


Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press

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Post by: Phill23 on April 25, 2011, 09:00:56 pm
Good news for the players.  Glad to hear the judge and the ruling siding with the players.  Now the owners will have to negotiate with the players fairly without lockouts and other stuff they tried pulling.

Show the playes the books and let's get this show on the road.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2011, 06:54:46 am
Thats what I say. Open the books and get a deal done. Lets have football this year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on April 26, 2011, 09:24:03 am
Guys, honestly you can cook books six ways to Sunday. I'm wanting to see bank statements showing the flow of funds. Just depreciation alone on one of those stadiums can be structrured to as not so show a nickel of profit from now unitl doomsday. Get the bank statements. And yes, she did stab the prick, he deserved it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 26, 2011, 10:09:26 am
At least half of these NFL players wouldn't have even passed their college entrance exams and/or graduated if not for their value to their schools on the football field. Even if the owners open their books...  seriously, how many of the players are even going to know what they're seeing?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 26, 2011, 10:26:47 am
Hey, my employer never showed me the books when I was hired.  Who in hell is running the NFL, the owners or the players?

Some employees are never happy and there are always a whole gaggle of lawyers happy to muddy the waters for a big fee. 

I hope that the owners win this skirmish decisively, even if it means "plan b" players AGAIN.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2011, 12:47:23 pm
At least half of these NFL players wouldn't have even passed their college entrance exams and/or graduated if not for their value to their schools on the football field. Even if the owners open their books...  seriously, how many of the players are even going to know what they're seeing?

You mean the players dont have access to lawyers that are experts in the financial field? I believe they can have access to experts to evaluate the books properly
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 26, 2011, 12:51:39 pm
You mean the players dont have access to lawyers that are experts in the financial field? I believe they can have access to experts to evaluate the books properly

Half these guys won't understand it even if their lawyer or agent or whatever dummies it down.

I am realizing more and more, based on incidents both on and off the field, that the average intelligence of the NFL player is really quite low. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on April 26, 2011, 01:08:04 pm
The players are the "talent". As in any entertainment industry are to be used mercessly (see the Christians re: the Lions) and pitched aside when no longer of any use. The people running the show on both sides have no need nor want any the "talent" to have any "brains" past what they need to entertain.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on April 26, 2011, 02:02:56 pm
Players have no need to see the books. They have been offered a job playing football. If they don't want it for whatever reason then move on and get a job somewhere else.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 26, 2011, 04:46:57 pm
Tony LaRussa's daughter is now a 'Raiderette":

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Tony-LaRussa-8217-s-daughter-is-an-Oakland-Raid?urn=nfl-wp1180 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Tony-LaRussa-8217-s-daughter-is-an-Oakland-Raid?urn=nfl-wp1180)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2011, 06:28:37 pm
Good for her.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 27, 2011, 09:17:28 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/27/josh-freeman-keeping-bucs-on-track/

The more I read about this kid, the more I like him.

He's the real deal. If he stays healthy and his team puts (and keeps) good players around him, the Bucs should be set at QB for the next 8-10 years.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on April 27, 2011, 10:53:07 am
BRILLIANT
In an interview with Rick Reilly of ESPN, Peyton Manning admits as much by saying, "they have these new [brain] tests we have to take. Before the season, you have to look at 20 pictures and turn the paper over and then try to draw those 20 pictures. And they do it with words, too. Twenty words, you flip it over, and try to write those 20 words. Then, after a concussion, you take the same test and if you do worse than you did on the first test, you can't play. So I just try to do badly on the first test.'
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 27, 2011, 11:56:03 am
LOL. I can believe that. Stupid tests get stupid answers
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 27, 2011, 06:17:17 pm
What was it Forrest Gump said?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on April 27, 2011, 10:36:18 pm
Great news for the players and the league!!!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/la-sp-nfl-labor-20110428,0,6474063.story
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: guest77 on April 28, 2011, 06:10:50 am
What was it Forrest Gump said?


It was:  "Stupid is as stupid du-uhz"
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on April 28, 2011, 06:53:57 am
Just hope he doesn't come looking for sympathy 10 years from now when he is suffering from all the side effects of the brain damage...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 28, 2011, 10:29:31 am
(http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/a-davis2.jpg?w=250)
 

Dorian Gray?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on April 28, 2011, 10:44:15 am
I thought it was the painting that's suppossed to age...his hidden portrait must be a pile of dust
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 28, 2011, 11:08:13 am
Now we know the inspiration for Freddy Krueger...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on April 28, 2011, 11:08:24 am
That picture has to have been altered in photoshop or something. No living being looks that bad.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 28, 2011, 12:20:05 pm
Justice at last

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/nfl-declares-victory-in-starcaps-case/

The bad news is, in the first four games of this season we don't play the Vikings. The good news is, we do play the Saints.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on April 28, 2011, 12:53:56 pm
I dunno...I've seen some scary things in the mirror following a night of celebration..I think if he were to gargle some carbolic acid with salt it would do him wonders. Such as realizing its time to shoot himself in the head for the betterment of the team. Elevating the term "taking one for the team" to a new level. I'm sure Tom Cable would mop up the mess.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 28, 2011, 05:51:56 pm
I thought it was the painting that's suppossed to age...his hidden portrait must be a pile of dust

Right you are, keys.  Probably sould have had a different title.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2011, 05:59:32 pm
Training camps to open tomorrow
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on April 28, 2011, 06:16:13 pm
Actually they are OTA's.  And I think the Lions are starting theirs next Wednesday.  Unless of course the NFL wins their appeal then they will all be cancelled.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on April 28, 2011, 06:18:57 pm
April 28, 2011
Bears plan to start offseason program May 9

 

By: Larry Mayer | Last Updated: 4/28/2011 6:02 PM

 

 

 


LAKE FOREST, Ill. – The Bears plan to start their offseason program a week from Monday (May 9) and conduct their rookie minicamp May 6-8 and their full-squad minicamp June 3-5 at Halas Hall.
 





Matt Forte and his Bears teammates can return to Halas Hall at 7 a.m. Friday.

 Those dates were set Thursday after the NFL had notified its clubs that they could resume operations at 7 a.m. Friday.
 
At that time, players will be permitted to enter team facilities to work out, receive medical treatment, meet with coaches, watch tape and pick up playbooks.
 
The Bears' offseason program originally was supposed to begin on Monday, April 11.
 
It still has not yet been determined when the official league year will begin, which means that free agency remains on hold. Teams also cannot sign undrafted free agents or trade players under contract.
 
The situation remains fluid and could change at any time. The Eighth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis still may grant the NFL a stay of the lockout.
 
U.S. District Judge Susan Nelson on Wednesday denied the league’s request for a stay of her Monday ruling that lifted the lockout. If the lockout is reinstated, players would again be prohibited from entering team facilities.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2011, 06:19:15 pm
WGN said the lockout is over and players can come workout at NFL facilities
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on April 28, 2011, 06:27:10 pm
The lock out is over for now.  The NFL is appealing to a higher court.   It could be over for good or be back on in a few weeks.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 28, 2011, 07:18:40 pm
Well no suprise Caro took Cam Newton.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 28, 2011, 10:41:50 pm

 WE GOT CARIMI!!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 29, 2011, 05:58:55 am
Funniest thing I read on PFT was from a comment under an Al Davis picture.  "Just die baby" I think I spit coffee on the laptop with that one.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: guest77 on April 29, 2011, 01:41:53 pm
I thought he was a "living dead" already!  ;D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on April 29, 2011, 06:15:28 pm
Appeals court reinstates lockout, during draft

 Posted by Mike Florio on April 29, 2011, 6:56 PM EDT
 
AP
Earlier today, ESPN reported that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit had granted the NFL’s request for a temporary stay of the ruling lifting the lockout, until the Eighth Circuit could rule on the request for a less-temporary stay of the ruling while the league’s appeal is considered.
 
As it turns out, the report wasn’t wrong.  It was just premature.
 
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that the temporary stay has been granted, which means that the lockout is back on.  For now.
 
It’ll be interesting to see whether Commissioner Roger Goodell confirms the news from the podium at Radio City Music Hall.
 
The assembled fans wouldn’t be booing in response.  They’d be chanting “Goooooodell.”
 
Meanwhile, the teams that were smart enough to distribute playbooks today — and all 32 of them should have done it — will have an edge if the lockout ends up remaining in place until August or later.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2011, 06:43:44 pm
If you really value football being played on time this year thats a real blow. If the appeals court restores the lockout permanently it will be the end of football this year

I want to see real NFL football this year not scab football.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on April 29, 2011, 06:48:41 pm
No it won't be.  This is all about leverage.

Would you rather have no draft, no salary cap or floor and have football ruined forever or have a chance to lose a few games this year and good competitive football continues?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2011, 06:58:00 pm
Who says there wont be a draft?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on April 29, 2011, 07:02:11 pm
The players "association".  They are trying to make the NFL operate as 32 seperate businesses.  That means no draft and no salary cap.  You see if there is no union you can't collectively bargain.  If they do they can be sued for violating anti-trust rules. 

The lawsuit brought by Brady and Brees and a few others attacks the NFL.  If they win there will be no draft or salary cap or salary floor.  The teams will have to bid against each other for every single player coming out of high school and college.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2011, 07:29:00 pm
The NFL has always had a draft. I cant believe the draft will be history
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on April 29, 2011, 07:34:47 pm
Only if the players get their way. 

The players don't really want it to go away but it is the legal leverage they are using and wether they want it to or not they may win and it may be gone.  My guess is after the court decisions are made and both sides knows who has more leverage then they will get a deal done.  It will end up being very similar to the deal the owners offered and the players walked away from.  DeSmith is screwing the players the owners and most of all the fans because he is doing this to help his political career.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2011, 09:11:44 pm
That wont go down
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 01, 2011, 06:26:13 pm


Report: R.W. McQuarters recovering from gunshot wound

 Posted by Evan Silva on May 1, 2011, 6:43 PM EDT
 
Getty Images
KTUL-8 in Oklahoma is reporting that former 49ers and Giants cornerback R.W. McQuarters was shot Friday night after leaving a friend’s house in north Tulsa.
 
McQuarters was reportedly shot in the back by a man described as wearing a ski mask. He was able to drive himself to the hospital, and is now in recovery mode.
 
The No. 28 overall pick in the 1998 draft, McQuarters spent 11 years in the NFL as a cornerback and return specialist. He last played with the Giants in 2008.
 
McQuarters finished his career with 14 interceptions, returning three for touchdowns.
 
 








Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 03, 2011, 04:53:56 pm
Who says there wont be a draft?

Agreed!  Haven't heard NOT ONE NFL PLAYER say they don't want a draft.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on May 03, 2011, 05:23:40 pm
The agents have said it and they are speaking for their clients. i wouldn't expect to hear it from the players
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 03, 2011, 06:03:15 pm
Most players made millions off the draft when they were drafted, why would they complain?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on May 03, 2011, 06:30:20 pm
Without a draft teams could sign anybody for any amount. High profile players and positions will get the big bucks (and agents big commissions) and the rank and file players will get the minimum.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 03, 2011, 07:14:48 pm
As long as there is a salary cap the draft is not necessary.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on May 03, 2011, 07:24:52 pm
If they get their way it will be like baseball with no salary cap and the richest teams buying titles.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 03, 2011, 07:30:03 pm
If Brees and Brady and the rest in that lawsuit win the draft is gone.  Each NFL team would have to operate as a seperate business.  That is what they are suing for and their lawyer has said as much.

If you want all games played this year but the NFL be ruined forever root for the players.  If you want the NFL to continue to operate as it has then root for the owners.

Packrat if they win there is no salary cap or floor or draft.  It is open season.

Of course the players don't want to win that lawsuit is is just there as leverage.  However if they win they win.  Game over the NFL is ruined forever and I quit watching and so will most of you eventually.   Who wants to see the same 4 or 5 teams in the Superbowl year after year after year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on May 03, 2011, 10:31:30 pm
Peke

Its a lockout. The players would have played under the current collective bargining agreement, but jerry jones wants you to pay for his stadium.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 03, 2011, 10:31:57 pm
The NFL has always had a draft. I cant believe the draft will be history

 I think the first draft was in 1934...I could be off by a year or two either way. NFL started in 1921.

 
If they get their way it will be like baseball with no salary cap and the richest teams buying titles.

 Duh Raiduhs had the highest salary last season.

 Green Bay was near the bottom.

 The NEW YORK YANKEES should win the World Series every year if its only about money.

 Most of the time its actually about hiring a good scouting staff, coaching, and front office.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on May 03, 2011, 10:39:21 pm
You can't predict what will happen in a 7 game series but the Yankees put themselves in a position to win every year by outspending the rest of the league.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 03, 2011, 10:52:49 pm
Otto, Jerry Jones would love for the union to win becuase then he gets his way.  He can spend as much as he wants to get all of the best players and the Packers would no be able to compete with him.  No more salary cap to tie his hands. 

If the Cowboys are in the Superbowl every 3 or 4 years he can fill that stadium and even get the NFL to allow him to host another one even though he **** it up so bad this last time.  If the union wins we all lose football as we know it.  What we need to happen is for both sides to get together and actually negotiate a deal that is good for everyone.  The players had a deal that was way to one sided for them this last time.  It was so good for the players many players who were in on the negotiations know how good a deal they got and have been on record stating so.

The players need to give some back to the owners.  If BOTH sides are reasonable bothe sides will win and so will the fans.  I only went to the owners side when they offered a decent deal to the players (not the best deal the players could get) and the players stopped negotiating and sued.  The judge even gave them another shot at negotiating and they wouldn't do it.  It has become a pissing match and if the judges rule in the owners favor this next time the players are going to end up with a similar deal to what they could have gotten if they hadn't walked away from negotiating and sued.
 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on May 03, 2011, 11:01:02 pm
Peke

The players don't need to give anything back to the owners. Its the owners who want to socialize risk and privatized the profits of running a 9.2BILLION dollar business.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 03, 2011, 11:16:52 pm
If you are talking about the stadiums I agree.  The public should not have to pay for it in taxes.  Cities and businesses do benefit from the people coming to the games but not enough to pay millions for stadiums.

The fact is the players had a sweetheart deal they got a huge percentage of the profits with none of the risks.  I know you are a communist so won't understand this but if a person puts up 100's of millions of dollars to run a business they deserve to make profits from that investment.  They should not be guaranteed but they should also not be so hamstrung by a labor agreement that they can't operate their business in a way to become profitbale ifthings go south.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on May 03, 2011, 11:37:05 pm
Wow Peke, you really don't see the financial end of the lock out do you? Jerry jones just built a BILLION dollar stadium. All those luxury boxes are not part of the collective bargaining agreement (read profits 100% to owners) and now he is one of the prime movers to cancel the agreement which run thru this year to get the players to assume more of his payments. Never inquired as to how much money he actually put up (risked), but just put it on the players did ya. The players risk is injury, not getting paid and maybe an early death due to the game. Still you have to carry the water for the opwners.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 04, 2011, 07:36:27 am
I would imagine if the judges determine the nfl has to operate as individual companies then the NFL can't require the players to enter the draft can they? I would expect it would be a free for all when they get out of college, shoot they could do just like the nba and mlb and hire guys right out of highschool.

The potential impact could also affect MLB, NBA, MLS etc.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 04, 2011, 08:08:02 am
I would imagine if the judges determine the nfl has to operate as individual companies then the NFL can't require the players to enter the draft can they? I would expect it would be a free for all when they get out of college, shoot they could do just like the nba and mlb and hire guys right out of highschool.

Can you see some 18-year old signing with an NFL team right out of high school?  Yikes.

There are very very few 18-year olds who are physically developed enough to not be completely destroyed playing against grown men in their mid- to late 20s who have years of college and pro strength training behind them...  but in select cases (kickers, punters, maybe the occasional RB or a very rare WR or QB), I could see it happening.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 04, 2011, 09:22:14 am
I guess also since our practice squads are so small and the rosters as well it isn't like MLB where you sign the guy and put him on a farm team for a few years.
Then again if they pull up all the rules who says how large the rosters can be?
I guess they will still  have to have some guidelines but I kind think of it if the players win it will be like any other industry where they make you an offer and you take it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 04, 2011, 09:36:29 am
A football franchise would probably cost you an average of a billion dollars today.  What should you get for your investment?  At a nominal 8% that would be 80 million dollars per year.  Do you think they make that much?

A top player might make 100 million dollars for 10 years.  He has had his schooling paid for him and, basically, made no investment except his playing the game of football.  Now, he expects to check the owner's corporate records and satisfy himself that he is getting way, way more than he is ethically entitled to.


Only in America.
   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 04, 2011, 10:09:53 am
Let them take a year off and see if they are willing to negotiate again... Show them how insignificant they really are
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 04, 2011, 10:45:53 am
Bring on plan b.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on May 04, 2011, 11:12:27 am
I wonder if Otto would be happy if in his line of work a new kid with no experience could come in on day one and make 10 times what Otto makes and have it guaranteed for 4-5 years even if he turns out to be a total failure.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2011, 11:43:36 am
I wonder if Otto would be happy if in his line of work a new kid with no experience could come in on day one and make 10 times what Otto makes and have it guaranteed for 4-5 years even if he turns out to be a total failure.

Thats the point that sticks in my crawl and I am sure the players too. Oh and there will be a draft. The owners want it. I just believe the millions of guaranteed money will come to a screeching halt, which it should.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 04, 2011, 01:27:34 pm
Here's how one of the better run pro football organizations is dealing with the lockout:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/drew-brees-paying-for-most-expenses-of-saints-workout/

If the Saints make the playoffs this year while the Bears "just miss", keep this in mind.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2011, 02:04:49 pm
Very cool.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2011, 02:19:02 pm
Arent those appeals judges supposed to rule roday or tomorrow on the NFL appeal?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 09, 2011, 10:27:07 am
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 9, 2011, 11:01 AM EDT
 
APDavid White is leaving his job covering the 49ers for the San Francisco Chronicle to become senior pastor at the Porterville Church of God, and he’s written a fascinating column on his change in careers that includes some thoughts on the state of Christianity in sports — and includes a shot at one person in particular who, in White’s view, doesn’t practice what he preaches.

White writes that former 49ers coach Mike Singletary is a good example of a man who espouses Christian faith but doesn’t act like a Christian should act.

“Thou shalt not wear a cross around your neck if you’re going to verbally wring the neck of third-string quarterbacks and local sports anchors in full public view,” White writes. “The Scripture says to take up your cross, not nail everyone else to one. Represent or tuck it in.”

While offering a harsh rebuke to Singletary, White cites Tony Dungy as a coach “who let his quiet Christian actions speak louder than his football words.”

White’s column also has some interesting thoughts on players who believe their injuries are God’s will, and why players in the winning locker room seem to credit their victories to God without considering why God would have chosen those in the losing locker room for defeat. The whole column is worth a read.

 
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Post by: BearHit on May 09, 2011, 10:50:32 am
God is a huge sports fan I hear
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Post by: packrat on May 09, 2011, 10:53:42 am
And he is rooting for.....?   ;-)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 09, 2011, 10:55:22 am
Jews don't recognize Jesus as the Son of God.

Protestants don't recognize the pope as the Ruler of the Church.

Baptists don't recognize each other in a liquor store.
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Post by: packrat on May 09, 2011, 10:59:24 am
LOL.
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 10, 2011, 08:30:23 am
Anybody hear anything out of the federal appeals court? No date for a ruling?
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Post by: yapper on May 10, 2011, 08:43:13 am
Supposedly nothing happened yesterday because the judges were on a "travel day".

Translation = golfing.
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Post by: packrat on May 10, 2011, 10:04:02 am
Nearly 40% of NFL players wore the helmet with the lowest rating s in 2011.  After two concussions Rodgers was switched to a new style helmet.  He had one really bad hit into the playing surface with no concussion.?????

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/05/10/concussions.helmet.ratings.ap/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a4&utm_source=bleacherreport.com&utm_medium=referral
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Post by: packrat on May 10, 2011, 10:25:28 am
From PFT:

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 10, 2011, 7:21 AM EDT
 
APRiddell, the company that makes most of the helmets worn in the NFL, is urging players to change helmet models after a study found that the model worn by 38 percent of players last season is not particularly good at preventing concussions.

Riddell’s VSR-4 helmet received a low one-star rating in a study of football helmets led by a Virginia Tech professor of biomedical engineering. But the Riddell Revolution Speed was the only helmet to get a five-stars rating.

“It is our hope that based upon this and other independent research, that players and teams at all levels will continue to migrate to the Revolution family of helmets,” Riddell Sports president Dan Arment said in a statement emailed to the Associated Press.

NFL players decide for themselves which brand and model of helmet to wear. A model designed by Adams USA that a handful of players wear received an even lower rating than the one-star helmet, with researchers labeling that helmet as “not recommended.”

“All of these helmets protect you from skull fracture, so what we’re doing is going to the next level and looking at how they protect you from brain injury,” said Stefan Duma, the professor who led the study. “We’re basing this analysis off a million impacts we’ve collected. We know how players are hit. . . . It’s much more elaborate than anyone’s ever looked at, in terms of evaluating the performance of helmets.”

 
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Post by: packrat on May 10, 2011, 10:27:54 am
The fruits yielded by drafting scum bags.  TB drafted three more "high risk" players this year in rounds 1,2 and 3:

Posted by Mike Florio on May 9, 2011, 10:39 PM EDT
 
APThe Tampa Bay Buccaneers have become a quality team in a short period of time.  But they also have had a significant quantity of off-field incidents.

The latest comes from defensive end Alex Magee, who was arrested on Monday for possession of marijuana and for driving with an expired tag of greater than six months, according to Victoria Lim of Bright House Sports Network, via JoeBucsFan.com.

Magee was traded by the Chiefs to the Buccaneers in 2010.  He’s the tenth member of the organization to be arrested since January 10, 2010.

 
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Post by: yapper on May 10, 2011, 10:34:08 am
It would be a shame if the Bucs became the Bengals South...  i.e., a team with a very good QB whose career is wasted among thugs and underachievers.
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Post by: packrat on May 13, 2011, 10:57:29 am
Some team will get a shot at a good FA QB in 2012:

Flynn finding out about Packers fans
By Vic Ketchman, packers.com editor

Posted 20 hours ago

aaRead Discuss Comments:3 
Day three of the Packers’ “Tailgate Tour” took the team’s nine-man contingent to Hayward Senior High School in Hayward, Wis., for a surprise visit to about 600 students. The most asked question continues to be about Antonio Freeman’s famous catch against the Vikings on Monday Night Football.

What’s No. 2?

It might be about Matt Flynn’s performance against the New England Patriots on Sunday Night Football. Flynn led a grossly underdog Packers team into New England late last season, to face a red-hot Patriots team. The Packers, of course, were without quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who had been knocked out of the previous week’s game due to a concussion.

In what was his coming-out party as an NFL quarterback, Flynn completed 24 of 37 passes for 251 yards, three touchdowns, one interception and a passer rating of 100.2, and nearly upset the Patriots. In one night of action, Flynn became the hottest backup quarterback in the league.

Despite the loss, it is a game that has often been described as a turning point in the Packers’ season. The Packers left New England that night with their backs to the wall in their bid to qualify for the playoffs, but their gutty performance, as led by Flynn, lit a fire in the Packers that burned right through the postseason and Super Bowl XLV.

Flynn, a seventh-round draft choice in 2008, was suddenly a star.

“It makes you feel really good. It’s an honor for people to say that. I was just going up there to play the best I can. I didn’t want there to be a big drop-off at the position. It was the most fun I’ve had since college. It gave me a little bit of confidence knowing I could go out there and perform well. It took me a few days to get over losing,” Flynn said.

Growing up in Texas, playing for the Packers never entered Flynn’s mind. He knew nearly nothing about the Packers or Green Bay.

“When I was drafted, Ted (Thompson) asked me what number I wanted, and I was 15 in college so I said 15, and he said you can’t have that. That’s how little I knew about them,” Flynn said.

The number 15, of course, belongs to Bart Starr and has long since been retired.

“It means a lot of be a part of the great tradition. It’s one of the most storied franchises in pro sports. When I was at LSU, I used to talk to Jim Taylor all the time. When I came up here in Green Bay, I realized how great he was and who I had been talking to all these years,” Flynn added.

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Post by: packrat on May 13, 2011, 06:22:50 pm
By Kevin Seifert
Arizona defensive end Brooks Reed, left, was drafted 155 spots ahead of teammate Ricky Elmore, because scouts believe Reed's workout numbers trump Elmore's on-field production.Another in a periodic series examining the roles of NFC North newcomers.

In the weeks and days leading to the NFL draft, public discussion centered the Green Bay Packers' interest in an Arizona defensive end who projected as an outside linebacker in their 3-4 scheme. Brooks Reed was a 263-pound pass-rusher who displayed superior speed and initial acceleration at the scouting combine.

As it turns out, the Packers drafted an Arizona defensive end who projects as an outside linebacker. But it wasn't Reed, who went to the Houston Texans with the No. 42 overall pick. Instead, it was a player who more than doubled Reed's sack total for the Wildcats during the past two seasons. Ricky Elmore posted 21.5 sacks to Reed's 8.5 over that stretch, but Elmore was still available late in the sixth round (No. 197).

That production disparity jumped out right away to a number of you. Pat of St. Paul wanted to know: "How did Ricky Elmore get pushed to the sixth round with his fantastic production in college? Do you think this was a steal for the Packers?"

Andy of Anew Berlin, Wis., wrote: "I was wondering why everyone was so high on Reed and why have I never heard of Ricky Elmore until the Packers drafted him. I listen to a lot of sports talk radio and I haven't heard anyone bring up the comparison of Reed to Elmore and I am interested in what your opinion was for the vast differences in where they were drafted especially because of the numbers they put up at Arizona."

Actually, Pete Dougherty of the Green Bay Press-Gazette broached the subject shortly after the draft. But I think the question brings a classic draft argument into specific relief: How should college production be weighed versus athleticism and potential? When should production matter and when shouldn't it?

First, let's review a series of test results that absolutely swayed NFL scouts and their respective general managers.

Reed ran the fourth-fastest time in the 40-yard dash (4.68 seconds) among defensive linemen at the February scouting combine. He covered the first 10 yards in 1.54 seconds, tops among defensive linemen and an important tool for scouts to evaluate initial burst from pass-rushers.

Although he weighed in at eight pounds less than Reed (255 pounds versus 263), Elmore tested substantially worse in speed drills. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.96 seconds and his 10-yard split was 1.70 seconds. Elmore subsequently improved those times during private workouts, but the die was cast: Elmore was slow for a projected 3-4 linebacker.

You might scoff at those numbers. It's true, the NFL is populated by hundreds of successful players once deemed too slow. It's also littered with the remains of those who are fast but can't play the game. But in the world of scouting, which includes equal parts evaluation and projection, speed is one of the most important attributes of a potential draft pick at most positions.

I reached out to Steve Muench of Scouts Inc., whose job is to mirror the work of NFL scouts, making his own evaluations while also trying to project what the league will think of prospects. Steve's evaluation will help you understand why Elmore was still on the board 155 spots after the Texans selected Reed:

"Elmore was the more productive player the past two years but production can be, and in this case is, misleading. Reed recorded the quickest 10-yard split out of all the defensive linemen at the combine last year. He is substantially faster than Elmore, and he is eight pounds heavier despite measuring two inches shorter. He also has longer arms and superior upper-body strength.

None of this would matter much if it didn't translate to the film. But Reed is quicker off the line and closes better than Elmore, who benefited from the attention that Reed drew from opposing teams. Reed is noticeably stouter against the run."

Elmore was one of the first to recognize how the NFL was viewing him, going to the very 2011 lengths of posting YouTube videos depicting him jumping out of a pool and later into a truck.

"I was just trying to show that I'm athletic and I'm explosive," Elmore told Wisconsin reporters. "... It's the difference between a sack and not getting a sack. If you can't be explosive off the line, an offensive tackle is going to beat you back and you're already one step behind. ... Being explosive is probably the No. 1 most important thing to being an outside linebacker."

PACKERS RUSH DEFENSE BY DIRECTION
The Packers allowed 3.7 yards per rush up the middle, 12th best in the league in 2010. However, when teams ran to the left or right, the Packers allowed 5.5 yards per rush, 29th in the league.

 Middle Left/Right
Rushes 173 219
Yards/Rush 3.7 5.5
First Downs 27 55
Source: ESPN Stats & Information 
Elmore also spent five weeks working with the father of Packers outside linebacker Clay Matthews to help make the transition to linebacker. It's been well-chronicled that the Packers don't have a starter locked in opposite Matthews, and as the chart shows, the Packers could stand to shore up their outside run defense in 2011.

But can Elmore be the answer? Did the Packers unearth a player who simply knows how to get to the quarterback and play the game? Or is Elmore too slow, and were his college production numbers too skewed to consider that outcome a realistic possibility?

From a scouts' perspective, Muench said that Elmore has the "size and toughness to be an effective run-stopper" but needs technique work. Ultimately, Muench concluded: "Elmore has enough quickness and the motor to develop into an effective role player in Green Bay's 3-4 scheme. However, I don't think he has enough speed or agility to develop into a difference-maker like Clay Matthews and he may not even develop into a quality starter."

That's a scout's take, and it clearly mirrors those in the league considering Elmore was still available late in the sixth round. Now you have a better idea of why Reed was more highly regarded. What we don't and can't know is this: Can the Packers develop Elmore into a player who could one day approach his college production? Coaching, heart and circumstances can't be judged before a draft. Check back in three years on that one.

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Post by: packrat on May 17, 2011, 06:35:12 pm
Less than 20% fan support for NFL playersin PFT poll:

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Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on May 18, 2011, 08:45:07 am
These guys are making at least 325g a year!  wtf? paycheck to paycheck?
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-lockout-leads-to-players-taking-out-cash-loans-with-huge-interest-rates-051511
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Post by: packrat on May 18, 2011, 10:44:57 am
I need help from some computer guru.

I can't get links to come up on this board and on Face Book.  The links come up fine on other sites.

Any clue?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 18, 2011, 11:44:39 am
LOL, looks like the Seachickens are stuck with this guy for at least one more year.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/18/matt-hasselbeck-gets-his-seahawks-playbook/

Pretty sure you're not gonna trade or cut a QB after he's gotten your playbook.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 18, 2011, 12:46:49 pm
Yapp, the article says that they didn't give him one.
What I don't understand is if he was the QB last year wouldn't he already have is playbook? Maybe they have to turn them in at the end of the season though I would expect most players to make copies.

I think I would make a copy and put notes and markings in my copy and save the original.

I also think he is an FA right now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on May 19, 2011, 08:42:40 am
FWIW,  I think the judges for the lockout case did two things- the 1st was to slap the owners (by saying they could not lock them out) and the 2nd slap was at the players (granting a continued stay on the desist order). These were warning shots that they have to DO something or what is forced upon them will be very distasteful to both.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 20, 2011, 05:55:19 am
I think I might do a little fishin' this weekend for smallmouth.  It's been awhile and I am tiring of this lockout...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 20, 2011, 05:56:42 am
and yes, for those of you wondering that is one of those Navy Seal dogs in my userpic.  Unfortunately, she is more of a licker than a biter so she ddn't make the cut...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 20, 2011, 07:48:38 am
couldnt even tell it was a dog in the pic. so tiny
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 20, 2011, 11:46:42 am
Whew!  I was worried it might be your wife.   ;D
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Post by: 46 on May 20, 2011, 01:42:20 pm
zat u in the pic? Lessee.....dog.  cap.  goin fishin.  Y'all have adaped well to the Sow- ith.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 20, 2011, 05:39:10 pm

 You cant play with avator size here.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: stelz on May 21, 2011, 11:00:40 am
So Fred was hot for Betty....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: guest77 on May 22, 2011, 10:00:07 am
this usually is the beginning of the lull between the draft and training camp.  i hope they get a deal...i already ready for some football.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 22, 2011, 02:03:09 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/22/garrett-wolfe-arrested-in-miami/

If Wolfe wasn't already finished with the Bears he is now...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 22, 2011, 02:07:33 pm
So Fred was hot for Betty....

 There was shiit going down from the reruns I saw...

 Fred was knocking Betty from the first episode.

 This led to Barny's drinking and drug problem's later.

 You explain how Bam-Bam looked more like Fred then Barny.

 Wilma was just the dutiful housewife in front of the scenes...

 while Fred and Betty were going on behind the scenes.

 Arnold Schwarzenegger is the living example going on today.

 Is the Fred Flintstone /Scwarzennegger steroid connection true or false?

 You be the judge.

 Pebbles has been in one rehab house after another...

 methamphetimine addiction has aged her by at least 40 years.

 She's not the same Pebbles we grew up with.

 It's sad.  :(
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 22, 2011, 06:15:07 pm
LMAO.
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Post by: 46 on May 22, 2011, 08:47:57 pm
Intially the Flintstones were for adults, not kids. Modeled after the honeymooners, it was aired at night, with one of the major sponsers Winston cigarettes. Please see below. A different world in the early 60's,
a different world.
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7h58vNlN6m4ATRJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEwMXU0bnE2BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA01TWUMwMDFfMTgx/SIG=134pal9rg/EXP=1306136796/**http%3a//video.search.yahoo.com/search/video%3fp=cartoon%2bcigarette%2bcommercials
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 23, 2011, 08:24:37 am
I watched both regularly when I was a kid...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 23, 2011, 08:49:35 am
so it and the Jetsons were today's south park and family guy.
No wonder our society is so screwed up.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 23, 2011, 12:27:15 pm
NFL and the players are scheduled to meet June 3rd.  That has to be the make or break time for the season starting on time.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: guest77 on May 23, 2011, 12:45:40 pm
Intially the Flintstones were for adults, not kids. Modeled after the honeymooners, it was aired at night, with one of the major sponsers Winston cigarettes. Please see below. A different world in the early 60's,
a different world.

Always liked The Flintstones, but never thought about it being the 60's Simpsons.  A lot of parallels, now that you mention it.  I never saw it when it was first-run, but it was an after school staple.
 
They were phasing out cigarette commercials when I was a kid.  I remember seeing old magazines with Doctors recommending that people smoke.  Crazy. 
 
It really is a different world now...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on May 23, 2011, 03:32:40 pm
In the not for adults vein the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show also comes to mind.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 23, 2011, 03:36:48 pm
Jets interested in Randy Moss


http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2011/05/jets-interested-in-randy-moss
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Post by: stelz on May 23, 2011, 07:58:29 pm
Jackie LOL!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 23, 2011, 10:32:09 pm
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/23/drop-percentage/

WR drop stats.  I found it interesting.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 24, 2011, 05:04:15 am
Nice to see T.O. realizing his potential there
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 24, 2011, 09:51:48 am

This is nothing new.  TO annually is among the league leaders in dropped passes. 

But what you don't see is that he had 983 yards and 7 TDs with the Bengals, rebounding from a poor season in Buffalo in 2009.  And he had 3 pretty good seasons prior to that with Dallas.  Thousand yards each year with 10, 15 and 13 TDs.

He has some baggage but he produces.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 24, 2011, 05:13:35 pm
This is nothing new.  TO annually is among the league leaders in dropped passes. 

But what you don't see is that he had 983 yards and 7 TDs with the Bengals, rebounding from a poor season in Buffalo in 2009.  And he had 3 pretty good seasons prior to that with Dallas.  Thousand yards each year with 10, 15 and 13 TDs.

He has some baggage but he produces.

 You seem to be hinting at somthing Dals...

 TO or Chad Occio...one or the other or BOTH on DAA BEARRSSE?

 If the price is right...  ;) If the price is right... :D If the price is right... ;D
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Post by: BearHit on May 24, 2011, 05:17:22 pm
THE PRICE IS WRONG, BOB!!
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 24, 2011, 05:50:47 pm
THE PRICE IS WRONG, BOB!!

 Well you could let them show up at camp and see what they do...  :D
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 24, 2011, 06:20:00 pm
Dont even want to imagine them showing up at Bears camp.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 24, 2011, 10:52:42 pm
I'm keeping my eye on the FA from Jacksonville.  He has a hyphenated name...Sims-Walker? 

Or they could go after one of the 2 Jets FA WRs.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 25, 2011, 03:27:21 pm
I'm keeping my eye on the FA from Jacksonville.  He has a hyphenated name...Sims-Walker? 

Or they could go after one of the 2 Jets FA WRs.

 Yeah yer thinkin Mike Sims-Walker...6'2" 214 lbs. 4 year vet born: 1984

 The two Jets you must be thinkin of are :

 Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 25, 2011, 04:25:10 pm
Edwards had some scrapes in Cleveland. I pass on him. Holmes is a questionmark. He's been around awhile. Not so sure he hasnt lost a step.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 26, 2011, 05:12:43 am
That was the one.  Holmes is a scrapper, not sure that he gives us anymore than Bennett, but I like him as a player. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 26, 2011, 08:52:15 am
Braylon Edwards was among the league "leaders" in drops at least a couple of seasons IIRC, and his character is questionable to say the least. No thanks.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 26, 2011, 09:35:47 am
Braylon Edwards was among the league "leaders" in drops at least a couple of seasons IIRC, and his character is questionable to say the least. No thanks.

Edwards had some scrapes in Cleveland. I pass on him.
agreed.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 26, 2011, 10:44:55 am
PFT asks if Brady is slipping.  The article picks Rodgers as #1 QB:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/713051-tom-brady-why-his-best-years-are-behind-him#/articles/713051-tom-brady-why-his-best-years-are-behind-him
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 26, 2011, 11:18:59 am
Definite changing of the guard in NFL QBs.

Arrow pointing way up on Aaron Rogers, also Josh Freeman and possibly Matt Ryan (though has cred took a bit of a hit with the Falcons playoff fail last year).

Big Ben is close to peaking. Brady has peaked and same could be said of Peyton Manning...  with Manning possibly even a bit further down the slope already than Brady.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 26, 2011, 12:12:11 pm
Oh Yeah! Yup.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 26, 2011, 01:53:00 pm
Brees and Rivers probably being the "best of the rest" as far as QBs who are doing well and are pretty much in the sweet spot career/health wise.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 26, 2011, 01:56:29 pm

Maybe Brady has peaked.  I mean it is gonna be hard to improve on 36 TDs and 4 interceptions in 2010.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 26, 2011, 06:59:52 pm
I think that the point of the article was that it was Brady's post-season play that indicates the slippage.  The author claims that the Jets have shown the league how to slow him down.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 27, 2011, 10:33:30 am
PFT has listed their rating of the 20 worst NFLteam mates of all time.

In summary:

9 of them are WRs

3 are RBs

3 are QBs

1 LB

1 DT

1 CB

1 TE

1 DE

WRs are a big risk in drafting.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 27, 2011, 03:30:51 pm
Maybe Brady has peaked.  I mean it is gonna be hard to improve on 36 TDs and 4 interceptions in 2010.

 Well he could throw 49 TD's.  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 02, 2011, 07:31:56 pm
Everyone enjoys a little Cowboys schaudenfreude

 Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 2, 2011, 7:07 PM EDT
 

Paul Zimmerman used a quote for his 1988 book Duane Thomas and the Fall of America’s Team that seems appropriate here.  It was written by Terrence Gallagher of the Instrument and Apparatus News back in 1982, but still rings true:
 
“There are three types of people in the civilized world,” Gallagher wrote. “There are those who love the Dallas Cowboys, those who hate the Dallas Cowboys, and those who don’t know who or what the Dallas Cowboys are.
 
“I call these people Group A, B, and C, respectively. I have never met a Group C person, but reliable sources informed me they do exist — they live mostly along the west bank of the Amazon.
 
“Group B people are paragons of mankind.  They are superior in every way to Group A and Group C.  Group A (except those living in or near Dallas, who have been brainwashed since birth and have long ago lost all ability to make rational decisions) should be shunned at all costs. They are not to be trusted.”
 
For everyone in Group B out there, here are the worst moments for the Cowboys since
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 02, 2011, 07:32:58 pm
I most definately hate the Cowboys but not as much as the Packers.  I would root for the Cowboys over the Packers in a game 100 times out of 100.

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Post by: packrat on June 03, 2011, 10:00:19 am
Seattle's new uni?  Now this is really ugly.

(http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/seahawkslimegreenap.jpg?w=250)
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Post by: yapper on June 03, 2011, 10:07:06 am
Ever notice how the more a team sucks, the more often they fu-ck around with their uni's?
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Post by: packrat on June 03, 2011, 10:11:03 am
Yes.  And the old teamsl like Bears, Steelers and Packers pretty much stick with theirs.  I wold hate to see my team change unis.
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Post by: Keysbear on June 03, 2011, 10:33:50 am
That looks like an arena league uniform
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on June 03, 2011, 11:13:02 am
I kind of liked their blue and silver type uniforms.
I wonder how much uniform changes are to get people to buy new jersey colors to increase revenue.
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Post by: WshflThinking on June 03, 2011, 12:48:34 pm
After secret NFL labor meetings, Jerry Jones says both sides are 'trying'
     
By Brad Biggs, Tribune reporter
 
6:26 p.m. CDT, June 2, 2011

DeMaurice Smith gave a sign of two thumbs up from a limousine as he was driven away from Hotel Baker in St. Charles on Thursday morning.

But the head of the NFLPA didn't offer up much more than that after concluding two days of clandestine meetings with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and influential owners in the western suburbs.

"I'm going to be nice," Smith said. "No comment."

Smith left the upscale hotel situated on the Fox River with five current and former players -- Domonique Foxworth of the Ravens, Mike Vrabel of the Chiefs, Kevin Mawae, Tony Richardson of the Jets and Jeff Saturday of the Colts. No deal was carved out between the two sides, and the next step is an appeal hearing Friday in St. Louis before the 8th Circuit Court.

The hope is the two sides at least explored some common ground in the talks, which did not include lawyers for either side.

"That was the point of the meeting," said one of the players, who declined to go into more details. "No lawyers."

"We were here," Mawae said, smiling.

Goodell and owners Jerry Jones of the Cowboys, Robert Kraft of the Patriots and Jerry Richardson of the Panthers arrived late Tuesday afternoon using nearby DuPage Airport, a pad for private jets. The NFLPA party used commercial travel, highlighting a difference in the labor struggle between billionaires and millionaires. The NFL is grinding along toward the third month of the lockout.

"We're not going to make any comments," Goodell said as he climbed into the same SUV that transported Kraft to his jet at DuPage Airport on Wednesday. "They will be issuing a statement."

Asked if there are plans to meet again soon, Goodell repeated himself. Asked if there was a reason for optimism, he politely closed the door to the vehicle.

The statement Goodell promised eventually arrived. It was from the league and players and read: "The parties met pursuant to court mediation. Owners and players were engaged in confidential discussions before Chief Magistrate Judge Boylan. The court has ordered continued confidentiality of the mediation sessions."

Jones said he had an enjoyable visit to the Fox Valley as he departed in a rented Ford Escape, a far cry from the Gulfstream jet with blue stars on the tail that he arrived in.

"We can't make a comment about it at all, but we're trying," Jones said. "I think the fact that we're meeting is good."

Clearly a deal to solve the labor mess wasn't cut in the backyard of the Bears, but perhaps the face-to-face meetings will lead to progress.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter first reported that the owners were in town to secretly meet with the NFLPA. Their report had one source saying perhaps a deal could be brokered before the end of the month. Giants owner John Mara and Steelers owner Art Rooney were also involved, per the report. The Bears were not represented at the meetings.

Lovie Smith's mandatory three-day minicamp was supposed to begin Friday at Halas Hall. That won't happen. Whether the Bears will make it to training camp on time remains to be seen.

bmbiggs@tribune.com
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Post by: Phill23 on June 03, 2011, 01:16:55 pm
Seattle's new uni?  Now this is really ugly.

(http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/seahawkslimegreenap.jpg?w=250)

They've worn those colors before.  Nothing new.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 03, 2011, 05:43:44 pm
Those are just their alternitive uniforms just like when the Bears wear the bright orange ones.
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Post by: packrat on June 03, 2011, 06:14:34 pm
Ok.  They're still ugly.
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Post by: Pekin on June 03, 2011, 07:17:44 pm
Yes they are.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 03, 2011, 08:16:56 pm

 Never seen them in Day-Glo green before.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 05, 2011, 01:09:55 am
 NASHVILLE, N.C. (AP)
The father of Chicago Bears defensive end Julius Peppers has lost his law enforcement job after being charged in North Carolina with felony possession of ****. Cokane (word deleted)
 
The State Bureau of Investigation said Thursday that 50-year-old George Thomas Kurney was arrested following a joint state-local investigation.

Nash County Sheriff's Lt. Pat Joyner said Kurney was dismissed from his sheriff's deputy job after his arrest Wednesday. Kurney was taken to the Wilson County jail shortly after 11 p.m. and released about an hour later on $1,000 bond.

Kurney had been a deputy for 10 years. He could not be reached for comment. Messages left for his son's agent were not immediately returned.

It wasn't immediately clear whether Kurney has an attorney. Peppers played for the Bears last year after eight seasons with the Carolina Panthers.
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Post by: packrat on June 13, 2011, 06:38:34 pm
I wonder how anyone here feels about the effect of player-generated workouts.

IMHO the players would be better off working with personal trainers to stay in condition and, then, gettting into football shape with the team staff just before camp. 

I have doubs about the effectiveness of their training sessions + there is the risk of injury.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on June 14, 2011, 08:30:21 am
maybe I am expecting too much but with these workouts I expect they are doing some semblance of training camp drills. I'm not expecting that intensity but similar drills. The QB working on timing with receivers, the OL working on footwork and such. I expect it is more than just getting in shape.
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Post by: 46 on June 14, 2011, 11:42:58 am
Light at the end of the tunnel? That's not attached to a locomotive I mean.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/NFL-tells-teams-to-prepare-for-lengthy-meeting-next-week-in-Chicago-061411?gt1=39002
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 14, 2011, 04:33:33 pm
Cutler and the receivers and backs are meeting three times a week.  Just running routes and throwing the ball around.

The Packers have yet to get together.  Still celebrating the Super Bowl win I imagine.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 15, 2011, 11:40:44 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/15/nfl-looks-into-****-event-ad-using-nfl-players/

Major Wright was involved.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 16, 2011, 10:29:03 am
It was amusing hearing the guys on NFLN complaining that the players didn't really know what they we voting for in the Top 100 ratings.  That was a travesty from the beginning with some voters rating one thing and others another. 

It's a waste of time reading rating polls.  Also, very irritating.
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Post by: davebear on June 16, 2011, 12:32:55 pm
You mean,,,, when your player is under rated perhaps??
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 16, 2011, 03:20:50 pm

 If you want the top 100...go to Canton.  :o
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 17, 2011, 06:05:02 am
I wonder if it is more of a popularity contest than an actual, who impacts the game?  I scratch my head at some of the picks.  Tony Gozalez at 46?  He is the 46th best player in the NFL?  C,mon...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 17, 2011, 05:17:01 pm
 Let the fans vote.
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Post by: packrat on June 17, 2011, 07:03:08 pm
That might br a good idea, jj, if you could control voters so each only votes once.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 17, 2011, 07:10:06 pm
That might br a good idea, jj, if you could control voters so each only votes once.

 Good idea Packy, I think that may have been settled 200 years ago.

 Think UPS package tracker.
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Post by: Pekin on June 18, 2011, 04:28:38 pm
Report: NFL coaches on alert for late July


Clark Judge of CBSSports reports there's no deadline for the NFL to complete negotiations with its players, but coaches across the league have been alerted business could resume anywhere from mid- to late July, with two sources telling me there's a feeling that late July is more likely.
 
That tells us two things: 1) that management believes a settlement is probable, and 2) that it still acknowledges there is substantial work to be completed before players and owners complete an agreement.

"As long as we get six weeks to prepare for the season opener, we'll be fine," one coach said. "But I don't think you'll see anything happen before the end of July."
 
One source said he and other assistants were notified that one of two scenarios could take place. The first would involve five days of workouts -- mostly conditioning -- to evaluate players before training camp begins, with the understanding that clubs could sign free agents during that time.
 
The second scenario involved a looser schedule, with a two-week period prior to training camp devoted to anything from conditioning and strength exercises, OTAs, team meetings and free-agent signings. After that, he said, there would be a brief break before training camp begins. In that instance, he said, he was told something could happen as soon as July 11, though he emphasized there were no fixed dates, only guidelines to an uncertain future.
 
 http://theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/17696/Report--NFL-coaches-on-alert-for-late-July/Default.aspx
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 19, 2011, 12:26:48 am

 Duck,

 Can you imagine how insane it is going to be for FA signings?

 All we have to do is kick back and laff our asses off.  :D

 Maybe the most crazy period in NFL football.

 And WE are there to enjoy!
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Post by: packrat on June 23, 2011, 06:16:17 pm
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 23, 2011, 2:36 PM EDT
 
AP
Whether NFL training camps open on time, or whether the lockout delays them, one thing is clear: Teams have had far less time to assemble their training camp rosters, as the lockout has delayed free agency and canceled minicamps and organized team activities.
 
In an attempt to compensate for that, NFL teams are considering expanding the size of training camp rosters from 80 players to 90 or so. Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that multiple NFL general managers have voiced support for the idea.
 
“I don’t know anyone in my position who wouldn’t support it,” one general manager said.
 
Presumably, the NFLPA* would support the idea as well: Ten more players on each training camp roster means 320 more opportunities for professional football players to find jobs. Having more players in camp might also allow each individual player to take fewer reps and therefore lessen the risk of injury.
 
If nothing else, the fact that NFL teams are discussing the rules of the road for training camps is a good sign that NFL teams think they will have training camps.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 24, 2011, 12:12:00 am

 Packy can you imagine billionaires giving up billions because they dont make millions?

 I cant.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on June 24, 2011, 10:58:24 am
Since the criteria for the players voting was not released (was there one ?), the rankings are meaningless. They have stimulated conversation though.

Here's hoping next year they do it again and specify the criteria (like best player in the past YEAR).....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 24, 2011, 07:13:42 pm
Packy can you imagine billionaires giving up billions because they dont make millions?

 I cant.

No.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 26, 2011, 05:39:00 pm

 Ditka won't let loyalty impact opinions

Former Bears head coach and Chicago icon 'Iron' Mike Ditka isn't letting his Windy City ties hold him back from voicing his honest opinions.

Not only does Ditka feel Calvin Johnson's catch in Week 1 vs. the Bears was legit, saying “The game in Chicago they got stolen from them. That should never have happened. I don’t give a (expletive) what the rule says. That’s a bad rule and it was interpreted wrong and it was officiated poorly.”

He also feels the Lions are poised for a strong season.

“They’ve got a good, young coach. They’ve got a good, young quarterback. They’ve got as good of a defensive line in football. They’ve got a hell of a receiver. They’ve got a good running back. They’ve got a got a lot things in the mix right now.”
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Post by: packrat on June 26, 2011, 06:48:27 pm
I look for absolutely zero time spent by GB on UFAs this season.  When the green light goes on they will make a mad dash to sign as many undrafted FAs as possible.  They had two unsigned FA starters in last year's playoffs and SB.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 26, 2011, 07:25:05 pm
I look for absolutely zero time spent by GB on UFAs this season.  When the green light goes on they will make a mad dash to sign as many undrafted FAs as possible.  They had two unsigned FA starters in last year's playoffs and SB.

 The Pack and 31 other teams Packy.

 This should get into a serious shiiit toss.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 27, 2011, 08:03:49 am
I suspect that there will be numerous teams that go after UFAs before undrafted rookies, jj.
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Post by: packrat on June 28, 2011, 07:30:56 pm
From Michael Lombardi.  I believe that Michael Lombardi is on guy worth listening to.

There has been much debate about "The Top 100 Players of 2011" as voted on by the NFL players all over the internet and on the television. My first reaction once the first group of 10 was announced was to hold off my commentary, instead waiting until the complete list was announced.

I have been holding back my thoughts until, as Popeye always said, "I can't stand no more".

The Top 100: Players of 2011
 The countdown concludes with a two-hour special revealing the top 10 on NFL Network on Sunday, July 3 at 8 p.m. ET. Stay tuned for a reaction show right after. 
The other day I was prepping for the NBA draft (Yes, the NBA draft. I love basketball and love the draft, which is the highlight of my summer), listening to a podcast featuring Bill Simmons and Chad Ford discussing the upcoming selections and the league in general. In their conversation they discussed how former NBA players who are now general managers have a tendency to pay players for past performances and over-evaluate their skills. As players they felt they should be paid for the past, therefore as executives they operate with the same belief.

Listening to this conversation made me believe that this might be the problem I am having with the current "Top 100." As we all know, in any sport "then is then" and "now is now," and the smart teams pay for what a player can do right moving forward.

Each week I watch the show and wonder if some of the voters actually watch the league or just rely on past performance. Yes, I understand there is long a withstanding and misguided principle that permeates throughout the league that centers on the belief that only players who play -- or have played -- can actually understand player evaluation. Needless to say, I don't agree with that principle. This top 100 ranking proves that even if you played the game, it's not automatic that you can appreciate talent.

I nearly came out of my chair when I saw that Packers wide receiver Greg Jennings was voted the No. 74 player, while Chiefs wide receiver Dwayne Bowe was voted 45th. Are you kidding me? Hypothetically, if Chiefs GM Scott Pioli called Packers GM Ted Thompson to offer this trade, based on these rankings, Thompson would actually have to sweeten the pot. The reality is that Thompson would have laughed and said get lost (and maybe added a few curse words).


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How do I know this? I watch tape, I study talent, and Jennings is a far superior talent then Bowe, who has only one good year, but even in that good season he struggled to separate from tight man coverage, lacking the burst and acceleration to win against top cornerbacks (watch him against Champ Bailey). Trust me on this one, teams playing the Packers worry about having enough talent to handle Jennings in a man-to-man system. Teams playing the Chiefs just make sure they press Bowe.

Jared Allen, Trent Cole and John Abraham have unique talent to rush the passer and for each of them to rank behind fullback Vonte Leach is comical. Leach plays fullback, a position not often used by many teams and even when used, does not impact the game anywhere near what an excellent pass rushing defensive end would. If the players feel Leach is one of the top 100 players in the league, then I am not watching the same game. Leach is a good player, but he is a role player. Role players, unless they score touchdowns, don't impact the game.

The "Top 100" list should be reserved for players that impact the game.

That concept leads me to another chair-raising rating done by the players, placing Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger at No. 41. Really? There are 40 players in the league better than Big Ben? I don't think so. I love Jamaal Charles, but he is not better than Big Ben. Neither is Devin Hester, or for that matter most of the players in front of Roethlisberger. Do you think the Steelers beat the Jets without Roethlisberger moving in the pocket to convert two critical third downs? No way. Could Hester or Charles make those kinds of plays? You know the answer.

We all know the NFL is a quarterback-driven league, therefore the blue-chip quarterbacks -- Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers, and Big Ben -- should all be in the top 10, no questions asked. To have Rivers at No. 26 is not an accurate portrayal of the best players in the league, nor is it to have Rodgers outside the top 10.


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America loves lists, from David Letterman's "Top 10" to the five best steak houses. Formulating lists inspires debate, which is always entertaining. However, in football -- as in chess -- there is one position/piece that is valued above all others. Chess has their queen, capable of moving in any direction and attacking from all over the board. Without a queen on the board, a chess player is incapable of winning.

The same theory applies to the quarterback. Without a great one, teams won't win. Therefore, making an accurate list of the game's top players requires placing blue chip quarterbacks in the top 10.

This list has problems all over the board. Each time I look at it I have a problem with the rankings. Andre Gurode is not the 57th best player in the league. No way. Just ask the Cowboys. Brian Waters of the Chiefs a better guard then Chris Snee of the Giants? Please. That one is not even close. And I could go on and on.

I really love the concept of the "Top 100" players, as voted on by the players. But the reality of the list makes me believe the players are watching a different game than I am.

Follow Michael Lombardi on Twitter @michaelombardi
 
Bingo!
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Post by: Bears4Ever on July 02, 2011, 09:14:15 am
I 'm of the opinion that the criteria for the list was not specified clearly enough to the players.

I hope they do another list after this season and emphasize that its about the 2012 season- not what you did before. That would ensure that some "named" players would be left off and some more deserving "youngsters" on the list- besides, it would give a good chance to show some highlights from the season just concluded.....

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 02, 2011, 03:57:41 pm

 B4E,

 Gotta agree.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 05, 2011, 06:50:34 pm

 Hey whats the deal with NFL training camps opening up towards the end of July?

 What has anybody heard?
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Post by: Keysbear on July 05, 2011, 06:54:53 pm
Have we reached the point where thay have to cancel the stupid trip to London?  I thought I read somewhere that there was a drop dead date on whether that game could be played there.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 06, 2011, 02:08:48 pm
Have we reached the point where thay have to cancel the stupid trip to London?  I thought I read somewhere that there was a drop dead date on whether that game could be played there.

 Depends on what the BUCS owner wants, he has a vested interest in England.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 06, 2011, 02:48:10 pm
The NFL said that if the the current labor situation is not resolved by Aug. 1 (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=6384888), the game will be played at Raymond James Stadium in Tampa.
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Post by: Keysbear on July 06, 2011, 02:53:06 pm
Good....I'll  likely be in Tampa to see it. C'mon guys...hold out just a bit longer.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 07, 2011, 06:42:26 pm
I was thinking abou the "Rookie of the Year" this season and doubr rhar either the Bears or Packers first round choice have a shot atit, sinbce their choices are OL players.

Anyone have a guess art whom  has the best shot among the other Bear draftees?

My guess ffor GB is Randall Cobb, WR.

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Post by: Pekin on July 07, 2011, 06:49:27 pm
Paea the DT they drafted in the second round.  I think he has a shot at being the stud Tommy Harris used to be.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on July 07, 2011, 07:10:10 pm
Tommie Harris is a ****.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 07, 2011, 07:31:11 pm
Tommie Harris is a ****.


 Doesnt matter ...now you get Paea.  Yer boy is goin down Otto...payback for Cutler.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on July 07, 2011, 07:53:43 pm
Tommy Harris was awesome for a few years but has sucked for a long time now.  If Paea plays in the NFL like he did in college look out.  He fits the Bears system like no DT I have ever seen.

He gets upfield and creates havoc which is EXACTLY what the Bears want from their DT's.  If he does his job Peppers is going to be killing some QB's. 

Last year Peppers got pressure on most passing plays that weren't quick throws but the QB had a clean pocket to step up into. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 07, 2011, 08:27:48 pm
Tommy Harris was awesome for a few years but has sucked for a long time now.  If Paea plays in the NFL like he did in college look out.  He fits the Bears system like no DT I have ever seen.

He gets upfield and creates havoc which is EXACTLY what the Bears want from their DT's.  If he does his job Peppers is going to be killing some QB's. 

Last year Peppers got pressure on most passing plays that weren't quick throws but the QB had a clean pocket to step up into.

 That and the fact that Rodgers is pretty quick on his feet...

 up the middle rush by Paea with Peppers hovering and the whole game plan for G.B. changes.

 We can get to Rodgers.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 08, 2011, 09:53:48 am
Available free agent:
 
Cullen Jenkins
Doug Pensinger/Getty Images
Jenkins, age 30, has been a key cog in the Green Bay Packers defensive line with 29 sacks in his seven seasons. The problem has been that he's missed 17 games over the past three years.

His most recent injury was a calf strain he suffered prior to a Week 7 contest against the Minnesota Vikings. After recovering from the ailment, he re-strained it in a victory against the San Francisco 49ers in Week 13 of 2010.

In 2008, Jenkins was the victim of a torn pectoral muscle in fourth week against Tampa Bay, forcing him to sit out the remainder of
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 08, 2011, 09:55:01 am
Available FA:

Atari Bigby
Doug Pensinger/Getty Images
The Green Bay cornerback wasn't able to spend most of his team's championship season on the playing field. Bigby only participated in four regular season games in 2010 due to a multitude of ailments, which helped make way for back-up Charlie Peprah to contribute to the Packers' run at the Lombardi Trophy.

Bigby's struggles to stay healthy have been a pattern. A hamstring injury hampered him to just six starts in 2008, while a knee injury two years ago made Bigby miss three games.

The only time in his NFL career in which he has played the full slate of games was 2007, when he had 66 tackles, 20 assists and five interceptions
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: guest77 on July 09, 2011, 09:45:56 am
Tommie Harris still a free agent.  The lockout can't be helping his chances of being signed.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 09, 2011, 04:15:33 pm
Tommie Harris still a free agent.  The lockout can't be helping his chances of being signed.

 Gimpy knee.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 11, 2011, 09:08:19 am
Tommie Harris is done.  We're the only team that couldn't see that for the last couple of years, apparently.

Meanwhile... get this fuc-king lockout done already. HOF game is just a few weeks away, pretty sure that won't be happening now.
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Post by: BearHit on July 11, 2011, 09:38:10 am
Ex-Bengal running back shot and killed by police 
 
 
Running back David “Deacon” Turner, who played for the Cincinnati Bengals from 1978-80, was shot and killed outside a convenience store in Bakersfield, Calif., following an altercation with sheriff’s deputies according to James Burger of the Bakersfield Californian.

Sheriff’s reports state that shooting occurred after deputies responded to reports of 10 to 15 juveniles asking adults to purchase alcohol and cigarettes for them at the busy store at the corner of Niles Street and Mt. Vernon Avenue.

When deputies arrived at the store they encountered Turner, 56, coming out of the store with his 19 year-old son, a 16-year-old juvenile and bags of items Turner had just purchased, including alcohol.

Deputies detained Turner and the two teens while they investigated the situation. According to reports, Turner first complied with deputies’ directions but then attempted to leave the area.

When deputies tried to stop Turner from leaving, he fought with them, Sheriff’s reports stated.

During the scuffle Deputy Aaron Nadal, who has worked for the Sheriff’s Department for three years, was reportedly hit in the back of the head with a bag containing two 24-ounce cans of beer.

Deputy Wesley Kraft, a four year veteran of the Sheriff’s Department, responded by drawing his handgun and firing at Turner twice.

He was rushed to Kern Medical Center nearby, where he died around two hours later.

 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 11, 2011, 10:40:15 am
Author: Khaled Elsayed
Free agency isn’t just about going out and getting the best players. Everyone knows Nnamdi Asomugha is an elite cornerback, and that Ray Edwards is a hard-to-stop defensive end.

While, in an ideal world, you’d be able to upgrade your roster with both men, the simple facts are that teams will be clamoring for their attention and they can only choose one. More so, they’ll cost big money and that’s not something every team has the capacity to take on.

So instead, franchises need to look for guys who contribute, but aren’t quite as sought after, or won’t cost quite as much. Last year, a number of teams found big time contributors in this regard. We’re looking at Houston with Wade Smith, Seattle with Raheem Brock and Chris Clemons, and Tennessee with Jason Babin.

If you’re prepared to look, there are some bargains to be had. And if you’re not prepared to look, just listen to what we have to say as we name our top ten bargain free agents. After all, we wouldn’t lie to you.

Antwan Barnes, DE / OLB

It’s pretty hard to get noticed as a rush specialist when you’re a Raven. You know Terrell Suggs and Jarret Johnson aren’t coming off the field, and so it proved for Barnes. In 2008 and 2009 combined, he managed less than 300 snaps, though he did show some promise. Fast forward to 2010 and after seeing some action for the Eagles (and generating pressure) he finally got a real opportunity as a pass rusher in nickel situations with the Charger. The outcome? He was the sixth most productive pass rusher in the whole of the NFL with 32 quarterback disruptions on just 202 roles. Maybe he can’t translate to an every down end, but he could star in sub packages.

Atari Bigby, S

72 snaps. That’s all Bigby saw in 2010 as the Packers found partners for Nick Collins in the shape of Morgan Burnett and Charlie Peprah. A year earlier he got 757 regular season snaps and responded with four interceptions and a ninth place ranking in our safety grades. He’s not great in coverage and will give up some plays, but he’d represent a cheap upgrade for a number of teams in a safety market crowded with players looking for top dollar.

Brandon Jackson, HB

You’ll never confuse Jackson with a top running back. Simply put, when you hand him the ball he’s not the most productive runner in the league. But the NFL is a passing league more now than it ever has been, so you need backs who make you better in that regard. While others are looking at Darren Sproles and Jason Snelling, check out Brandon Jackson and you won’t go wrong. The past two years he has excelled when the Packers have got him the ball in space, and he backs that up with some impressive blitz pick up.

Evan Mathis, G

We’ve recognized the play of Mathis on more than one occasion to no avail. For whatever reason, the Bengals just didn’t see fit to get him on the field consistently after an incredible start to the 2009 year. It’s a shame for them (he was much better than Nate Livings), and a shame for offensive line aficionados. Mathis was dominant when he was on the field, rarely giving up pressure and pushing around defenders in the run game. Even when he came in for some cameo snaps in 2010, he highlighted his talent with a series of good plays. Some team will get excellent value with him.

Fred Evans, DT

Ironically, with Pat Williams moving on, the best fit for Evans would be with the Vikings. They have room for a tackle who can eat some space and contribute on two downs. That’s the kind of guy Evans can be, only he found himself dropping down the depth chart for Minnesota this year. Still, we’d look back to 2009 and particularly 2010, when, in limited snaps, Evans was a real force on running downs. Plenty of teams could do with getting stouter in this regard.

Jason Spitz, C/ G

Back in 2008, he played like one of the best linemen in the league, despite being shifted about at right guard, center and left guard. He had some bad performances, but more often than not he won his battles and earned our recognition for it. Moving to the present day and, in those two seasons since, he’s managed just 301 snaps. He hasn’t looked great in them, but then spending most of them at left guard was probably asking too much. A proven commodity at center and right guard, there aren’t enough good offensive linemen in this league for Spitz to not be on the field.

Nick Roach, LB

He made an impression in 2008, and took advantage of an injury to Brian Urlacher to really show off how talented a linebacker he is in 2009. Unfortunately, the Bears are deep at linebacker and he only got on the field for 131 snaps last year. The shame in that is that whenever Roach is on the field he tends to have a positive impact (as long as you have him going forward). Could prove a very nice pick up for a team looking at a two down linebacker while not prepared to spend on a bigger name.

Omar Gaither, LB

The last time Omar Gaither got on the field for a significant amount of time he was making a big time impression before injury ended his 2009 season. His play in the first five games of that season was as good as any linebacker at the time. Sure, he isn’t the best dropping into coverage, but his work in 2009 (and 2008 before that) are the work of a man who needs to be on the field. Get the impression he could flourish in a number of defensive systems.

Scott Mruczkowski, C

When Nick Hardwick was out injured, in stepped Mruczkowski and you know what? He actually played better than Hardwick that year. Unfortunately, with the pedigree of the Pro Bowler, Mruczkowski was never going to get into the starting lineup, and understandably so because Hardwick had a great year.  But now as a free agent in a league that could use some better centers, someone could save themselves a lot of money (and get better production) with the man out of Bowling State Green.

Victor Abiamiri, DE

After missing all of 2010, it would be easy to forget about Abiamiri, but he’s still young at just 25, and for those that do remember, was actually pretty decent in 2009. He showed the kind of ability that a complete defensive end has, as good against the run as he is rushing the passer. He may never put up the kind of dominant numbers that win you Pro Bowl appearances, but he can go in and do a job for a team.

 Positions
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 11, 2011, 01:58:03 pm
Regardless whether you think Hub is a bitter prick who's full of sh!t or an insider who knows his sh!t, I thought this was an interesting interview (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2Fredirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2Fd0%2Fd0%2FdY%2Fd6%2Fd0%2Fd4%2FY604_3.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5561506088227011419_QhmuPOPrSWa7M8kXMIdtTpTlgac&podcast_name=Hub+Arkush+on+The+Danny+Mac+Show&podcast_artist=Danny+Mac&station_id=391&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.CHI) on the labor talks.  Rumor mill...Asomugha may be headed to Detroit.

Hmmm, so I can type prick, but co-caine is censored.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 11, 2011, 03:21:49 pm
Regardless whether you think Hub is a bitter prick who's full of sh!t or an insider who knows his sh!t, I thought this was an interesting interview (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2Fredirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2Fd0%2Fd0%2FdY%2Fd6%2Fd0%2Fd4%2FY604_3.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5561506088227011419_QhmuPOPrSWa7M8kXMIdtTpTlgac&podcast_name=Hub+Arkush+on+The+Danny+Mac+Show&podcast_artist=Danny+Mac&station_id=391&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.CHI) on the labor talks.  Rumor mill...Asomugha may be headed to Detroit.

Hmmm, so I can type prick, but co-caine is censored.  Go figure.

 Yeah its fun trying to figure out the censored list VJ, we'll work around it.

 Asomugha to Deeeeeeetroit is like DEATH to us. I also heard he wants to be with the Packers.

 Sombody at Halas Hall better open the checkbook if he is a threat against us.

 Imagine Peppers and Asomugha on the same team...

 if those other NFC NORF teams are claiming they want to sign him...

 we better be right there in the hunt.

 I hope he goes to the Cardinals or somwhere out of the NFC NORTH.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 15, 2011, 06:24:45 pm
Posted by Michael David Smith on July 15, 2011, 7:10 PM EDT
 
AP
As another week of negotiations comes to an end, all signs are that a deal between the NFL and its players is so close that those in the room can practically taste it.
 
NFL Network’s Albert Breer reported Friday evening that an agreement is expected on a new deal early next week, and there is almost nothing that can stop it now...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 15, 2011, 06:55:46 pm
Excellent. Also the owners are scheduled to meet in Atlanta on Thursday. If agreement is reached before then there might be an end to the lockout and an opening of training camps
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on July 16, 2011, 03:37:14 pm
toe lockout sounds PAINFULL! :'(
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 16, 2011, 06:36:33 pm
Also, no 18 game schedule,   ;-)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 16, 2011, 06:41:37 pm
http://www.galganov.com/editorials.asp?id=1357 (http://www.galganov.com/editorials.asp?id=1357)

By:
 Howard Galganov
 
Here’s the BOTTOM LINE For Obama . . . it’s all over with the exception of his November 2012 CONCESSION Speech, which he might as well start “plugging” into his teleprompter now.

When I read, hear and watch the pundits go on and on about how Obama is snookering the Republicans during this Debt Ceiling debate, I figure that the media is as much out of touch with the American people as are the politicians they are constantly analyzing.

I don’t have a great deal of confidence in the political intelligence of far too many voters, especially when more than half of the people voted for a Snake-Oil salesman with nothing but a shadowy past, who associated himself with Communists, White-Haters, America-Haters, Jew-haters and Israel-Haters.

And for all we know, he might be no different than the crowd he hung with. But what the hell . . . it was what it was. And it is what it is.

But, now that the LEFT’S favorite Socialist has had a chance to govern beyond platitudes and hype – GUESS WHAT? Even the people, who more than anything wanted America’s FIRST Black President to succeed, are seeing for themselves how much of a failure he really is.

I never worried about him winning a second term based upon his competence and sound guidance, since I never believed he had any of those attributes within him.

Any man, who reached the pinnacle of political heights as Obama did, who refuses to reveal anything about his past, INCLUDING his university records, is a man who in my mind has MORE than just a little bit to hide...

He is poisoning the water for future competent black cnadidates.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 16, 2011, 08:28:50 pm

 How many FA WR's is anybody interested in if training camp opens at Halas Hall?

 I'll take Plaxx...Holmes...T.O. and anyone that can slink in under the radar.  :P

 Bring em all in!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 16, 2011, 09:10:25 pm
We need a 45 man roster of WRs  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 16, 2011, 09:18:42 pm
We need a 45 man roster of WRs  ::) ::) ::)

 The new contract rules may stipulate that ...all WR's ...all the time!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on July 18, 2011, 09:37:50 am
I just want to hear that the stupid trip to London has been cancelled.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 18, 2011, 10:02:54 am
Unless the owner cancells it, its not happening
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 19, 2011, 03:23:07 pm

 Kolb headed to Arizona?

The Arizona Cardinals are still in search of a quarterback and Kevin Kolb has been a name linked to the situation throughout the entire offseason. It turns out, the rumors that started months ago might just be true.

The Cardinals passed on a quarterback in the draft, leading to the conclusion that the team would trade for a new signal caller whenever the lockout came to a halt.
 
The latest rumblings have Kolb coming to the desert in exchange for cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Arizona selected Patrick Peterson with the fifth overall pick in the draft, and while Rodgers-Cromartie is a former Pro Bowler, Kolb would have a much bigger impact in 2011 and beyond.

Other trade scenarios could included running backs Beanie Wells or Tim Hightower, but for now, Rodgers-Cromartie appears to be who Philadelphia has zeroed in on.

Analysis: The trade would make a lot of sense for both teams. Obviously, the Cardinals need a quarterback and the Eagles don’t need Kolb.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on July 19, 2011, 04:36:28 pm
Kolb will be a flop in AZ.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 19, 2011, 04:56:39 pm
Kolb will be a flop in AZ.

 Yeah...he doesnt have any PRO-BOWL WR's to toss to ... LOL!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 23, 2011, 06:06:43 pm
My main concern with the new NFL agreement was that the revenoue sharing be continued.  Since that is safe I'm happy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 24, 2011, 06:33:00 pm
I don't like this new rule!
 
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 24, 2011, 3:31 PM EDT
 
AP
It’s going to be tougher for this year’s crop of undrafted players to make NFL rosters this offseason without the benefit of OTAs to get ready for training camp.  (The same could be said for late round picks.)
 
The undrafted players could also take a hit financially, like their rookie classmates at the very top of the draft.
 
Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel writes that the CBA will limit teams to a $75,000 signing bonus limit for their entire undrafted class.
 
“Probably won’t see $20,000 signing bonuses for rook free agents anymore,” McGinn opines.
 
The Cleveland Plain-Dealer wrote earlier this offseason that $3,000 was the average signing bonus for players, so it will only hurt the very top end undrafted options.

It remains unclear when undrafted players would be allowed to sign.  Wednesday is the best guess when they could start to negotiate, with the deals official 24 hours later.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on July 25, 2011, 08:15:18 am
So let's review - who benefited from this lockout and decertification?

Doesn't sound like much has changed for the next 10 years...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 25, 2011, 08:28:45 am
Greedy owners 73, greedy players 0

Still, lots of money to be made.  The lockout did nothing but delay the inevitable.

Source: New timeline starts Monday (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6799301/nfl-transactions-begin-today-source-says)

The expected NFL free-agent frenzy may begin as soon as Monday afternoon if the NFL Players Association signs off on a timeline being discussed, a source at the highest level told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.  According to the projected timeline, the new league year would officially start Aug. 2 at 4 p.m. ET.

Before that:

• Teams can sign their own free agents and begin talking with other unrestricted free agents Monday afternoon.

• Teams can begin signing unrestricted free agents Tuesday at noon ET but those contracts would not take effect until Aug. 2.

• Teams can begin talking trades Monday afternoon. Any trades would become official on Saturday, July 30.

Players would begin to report to their teams on a staggered scheduled.  Another league source said it was unclear what teams would be allowed to do between the opening of camps and Aug. 2, when the league year officially begins.  According to the proposed timeline, 10 teams would report on Wednesday, 10 more on Thursday and 10 additional teams on Friday.  The New York Jets and Houston Texans would be the last two teams to report, on Sunday.  The report dates would be back-timed to 14 days before teams play their first preseason games.  The NFL Players Association and the league's owners reached agreement on the remaining points needed in their 10-year labor deal this past weekend, sources from both sides said.  The NFLPA is making plans for a major press conference Monday. The NFLPA executive committee will begin meeting at 11 a.m. ET on Monday.  Following that, a recommendation has to be made by the 32 player representatives, likely via conference call. As of late Saturday night, no time had been set for that vote, but it is expected to occur Monday after the executive committee votes to recommend approval, according to the high-ranking official.  Despite the fact the new agreement will require a majority vote from the players, that part of the deal between the two sides is considered a formality, according to sources.  The executive committee is also expected to vote to recommend recertifying itself as a union, according to the source. A recommendation also has to be made by the 32 player representatives on that count.   Major breakthroughs in Saturday discussions set up the timetable for the resolution to the 130-day lockout.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on July 25, 2011, 09:55:19 am
I think the owners got more money, the players get more time off and more money goes to the retired folks.
Glad to see some effort around the rookies salaries though I don't think we really know what that is yet.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on July 25, 2011, 11:26:09 am
Rookie hold outs will be a thing of the past.  The vet minimum is going up.  It looks like a pretty good deal for everyone. 

The players will have a lot less padded practices and a whole let less offseason work.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on July 25, 2011, 12:52:51 pm
Owners got alot more revenue.  Otherwise, what would have been the point of the opt-out/lock-out?  A couple of really stupid tweets swung most in favor of owners, I can't believe that one kid brought up slavery. Dumbass. The owners started this, to get more money, the players pretty much had to take what was offered at this point if they wanted to play.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on July 25, 2011, 01:20:29 pm
Well, the owners could've just said "go and take your communication degree and make 300K a year minimum." Of course, that would've been as stupid as some of the player tweets over the course of this thing...

As long as the owners have the money, they win.  They wouldn't have had it long as the sport withered and died, and we'd all have lost out (Players, Owners and Fans).....

Sounds like they should have at least 10 more years before having to argue about all this crap again !

Get your popcorn ready.... its gonna be a wild week or two.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on July 25, 2011, 03:56:57 pm
ab so fricking lutely out of control week coming up.  Bears got anybody they could lose? I sorta stopped football after that phucking nfc champship game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 25, 2011, 06:34:30 pm
BOO!

Posted by Mike Florio on July 25, 2011, 3:48 PM EDT
 
Getty Images
Undrafted players sign contracts for the minimum annual salaries.  The only thing that distinguishes one team’s offer from another team’s offer is the signing bonus.
 
The decision to cap each team’s signing bonuses for undrafted free agents to $75,000 hurts these players who have been waiting patiently for work in a way far more significant than the dollars and cents of the signing bonus.  As a league source explained it to me earlier today (and as I ranted a bit on PFT Live), it will now be harder for agents to know which teams are serious about the chances of an undrafted player to make the team.
 
Every team says it.  But then when the team offers a signing bonus of only $2,500, the agent knows that it’s just talk.  When $20,000 is offered, the agent knows that the team has real interest.
 
Per the source, one team was ready to offer $20,000 to six different undrafted players.  Another team budgeted $150,000 for undrafted rookie signing bonuses.
 
None of that will happen now, and it will be even harder for undrafted players to know which teams truly have high regard for them, especially in a year that will include 90 players going to training camp.  As a result, it’ll be even harder for the next Kurt Warner to separate from the scout team and become a Super Bowl hero.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 26, 2011, 04:11:42 pm

 Nevertheless ... FOOTBALL IS BACK !

 I wonder how that effects the U.S. economy in terms of a positive?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 26, 2011, 08:37:57 pm
I have lost a lot of respect for Peytin Manning.  His only goal seems to be to be paid the most money of any QB.  His attitude will hurt the Colts' chances of winning a SB again.  A tremendously high salary could destroy the ability to pay other players.  Greed can be a terrible thing.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on July 27, 2011, 07:26:42 am
I think he knows they can't win it so he might as well get paid :-)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2011, 07:47:57 am
The amazing thing about the Colts is they seem to be able to find OLmen off the street to protect Peyton.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 27, 2011, 07:59:12 am
Seems like Peyton has struggled a lot more since Marvin Harrison exited the scene.

Sure, part of it is just Peyton getting older but for anyone to say that the QB makes his WRs is at best only partially true. That train runs both ways.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on July 27, 2011, 09:48:49 am
It will be interesting to see how Manning does this year, didnt his OC just sign with the Jets or someone?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on July 27, 2011, 05:45:20 pm
Robert Gallery to Seattle...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 27, 2011, 05:47:01 pm
Seattle needs a lot of OL help.  Not sure Gallery was the best they could have done at OG but maybe the price was right and of course it re-unites him with Tom Cable who's the OL coach up there now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 27, 2011, 06:09:26 pm

 I cant wait for friday when it goes insane.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2011, 08:00:48 pm
I cant wait for friday when it goes insane.

But I havent heard of the Bears even sniffing anything good.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 28, 2011, 05:22:44 am
And that could be a good thing. Why show your hand of what you are offering and who you are interested in?  Friday will tell the tale, and the Bears have been active the last several years.  It would be a surprise if they didn't do anything.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2011, 07:33:02 am
Yeah? Like that undersized LB who the Lions got? The guy gets injured? Or the guy from Pittsburg who missed a season with an ankle injury??Or maybe the underperforming OLman set to be cut today? The good ones who might cost a bit they are staying away from.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 28, 2011, 08:44:49 am
Bears haven't done sh-it yet.

Either that or they're disguising their intentions remarkably well.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 28, 2011, 09:23:34 am
Haynesworth traded to Pats for 2013 5th rounder
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 28, 2011, 09:31:04 am
Haynesworth traded to Pats for 2013 5th rounder

Jeez...  even I would have risked that on Fat Albert. No one but the Patriots could pull this off.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 28, 2011, 10:11:43 am
Haynesworth traded to Pats for 2013 5th rounder

This really scares me.  What if he plays for Belichick the way he did for Car?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on July 28, 2011, 11:31:19 am
hm, going to another 3-4 wonder if he'll throw a fit there too?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on July 28, 2011, 11:34:35 am
only two 6th round picks for the Vikings to get mcNabb?

I would think he's worth a third.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 28, 2011, 11:39:45 am
Fat Albert for a 2013 5th...  McNabb for two 6ths...  The Redskins are cleaning house, at fire sale prices.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on July 28, 2011, 11:43:21 am
Pats 3-4 isn't a traditional 3-4...he won't be lined up on the nose...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 28, 2011, 11:59:30 am
Fat Albert and Vince Wilfork?

They're gonna need stronger floorboards on the team bus.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 28, 2011, 01:00:31 pm
Interesting...  both of the Andrews brothers (Shawn and Stacy) have been released by their respective teams.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on July 28, 2011, 04:09:10 pm
This really scares me.  What if he plays for Belichick the way he did for Car?

You mean Tennessee, don't you? 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on July 28, 2011, 04:47:31 pm
Ochocinco is now a New England Patriot.

Too bad folks here have a problem with getting talent in here because they're not choir boys.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 28, 2011, 06:24:44 pm
Colledge is gone but it seems like there is not much interest in Nick Barnett or James Jones.  If there is not much of a market for Jones the Pack might get him back for a bargain.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 29, 2011, 02:45:19 pm
Still taking a damn nap Angelo?

Rams | Harvey Dahl agrees to terms
Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:24:40 -0700

The St. Louis Rams have agreed to terms with free-agent OG Harvey Dahl (Falcons) on a four-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on July 29, 2011, 02:48:53 pm
Angelo can't sign every OG out there.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on July 29, 2011, 03:36:26 pm
could he at least sign one?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on July 30, 2011, 09:27:16 am
One thing I noticed about the new rookie contracts, most of the higher 1st round picks, their contracts are guaranteed.
I think Cam's deal was for 24M and something like 21M was guaranteed. That is still a far cry from Bradford's deal but still if you draft a bust you are still eating 5M per year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 30, 2011, 01:48:09 pm

 Wheres DAA BEARRRSSE in F.A. ??? I thought we would have made at least ONE move in F.A.

 And oboy am I glad that Asumugwa went to the NFC East !

 The Deeeeeetroit and G.B. talk was very unsettling.

 Are we so cocky that we think we already have the team in place ? Thats balls.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 30, 2011, 04:16:03 pm
So now Cullen Jenkins signs with the Eagles with the rumors flying that Plaxico isn't too far behind.

Will the 2011 Eagles become Deadskins part II or will this be the Heat Part II with the proverbial choke at the end to the Pats in the SB. 

Outside of the Yankees, I don't think a profession team was literally able to buy a championship, no?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on July 30, 2011, 04:30:53 pm
They will implode.

Football is a team sport and to many big heads leads to disaster.  Just look at the Redskins as proof.  The Cowboys aren't far behind.

You can't just collect big names you have to collect talented guys who are team first guys.

The Patriots due it the right way.  Lots of hardowrking team first guys with a few big names that get cut if they do not measure.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on July 30, 2011, 04:32:08 pm
Oh and Albert Haynseworth did not pass his conditioning test for the Patriots. 

LOL!  So it starts a new.  If he doesn't get his ass in line real quick he will be out of the league next year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 30, 2011, 05:13:35 pm

 Problem is I dont give two shiiits about the patriots and their PAST performance ...

 what I want is a BEARRSSE SUPERBOWL WINNER.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 30, 2011, 06:23:24 pm
The Pats and Eagles both worry me for the 2011 season.  They both made big additions to already strong teams.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 30, 2011, 06:31:55 pm
Bigby Appears Done in Green Bay
by Bill Huber of PackerReport.com, July 29, 2011 at 8:31 am ET

Atari Bigby Profile

Leave it to a rookie to break the news. Third-round pick Alex Green, a running back from Hawaii, tweeted that he'd be wearing No. 20. That, of course, was Atari Bigby's number. Bigby is an unrestricted free agent. Who knows where he'll sign — it's a terrible class of free agent safeties and the draft didn't provide much help, either — but it won't be here.

If he could stay healthy he would be a good Safety.

 
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Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 31, 2011, 02:04:35 pm

Eagles have never heard of a debt ceiling.

Asomugha gives them a 3rd pro bowl quality CB to go along with Asante Samuel and Rodgers-Chromartie.

They added Cullen Jenkins who I think is an absolute stud and will be missed in Green Bay.  Added another DE in Jason Babin coming off a career high 12.5 sacks to go along with Trent Cole and Juqua Parker.

And I just found out they've added QB Vince Young to backup Vick.

We get to visit Philly on Monday night in early November to face those guys plus Maclin, DeSean Jackson, and DeSean McCoy. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on July 31, 2011, 06:33:02 pm
Bucs give 19mil.......to a punter. yowza. See? There ARE teams with worse front offices than the Bears.  Where did the jer come from again?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 31, 2011, 06:36:48 pm
On this list, Packers' Burnett considered hidden gem

 
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Football Outsiders built a list of the top 25 National Football League players under the age of 25 who are now under the radar, but will have a big impact on their teams in 2011 and beyond.
 
Besides being under age 25, all the players on this list had to be chosen in the third round or later, or be an undrafted free agent; they had to enter the league from 2008 to 2010; they had to start fewer than five games; and they had to be on a rookie contract.
 
The aim of this list, which is posted at ESPN Insider, was to provide a litmus of what teams are finding talent in less-than-obvious places, like the first or second round of the draft.
 
The Packers put four players in the top 25.
 
Safety Morgan Burnett (left) was ranked second; quarterback Matt Flynn was 11; running back James Starks is 15th and linebacker Erik Walden was 16th.
 
The top player in this category was tight end Jared Cook of the Tennessee Titans.
 
As an organization, the Packers ranked seventh among NFL teams with players fitting the above criteria.
 
Tampa Bay was ranked first, followed by Kansas City, New England, St. Louis, Detroit and Cleveland.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 31, 2011, 06:52:16 pm
James Jones is still a Packer!!!!   ;-)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 31, 2011, 06:54:01 pm
That's what he said!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 31, 2011, 06:56:59 pm
Oooops.  Hadn't seen that.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on August 01, 2011, 12:39:25 pm
Randy Moss done.  Meh.  Wouldn't block, wouldn't go over the middle wouldn't do this, wouldn't do that.  Now he won't play, and won't get paid. The money for his truck team will dry up really,really quick.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 01, 2011, 12:49:19 pm
I'll be very surprised if the Moss retirement sticks.

A few weeks into the regular season, some team will lose a key WR to injury and dangle a big check in front of him and he'll grab it with both hands.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on August 01, 2011, 01:16:26 pm
Pats resigns Matt Light (in case that was on somebody's wish list) and are kicking the tires of Tommie Harris.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 01, 2011, 01:23:19 pm
Pats resigns Matt Light (in case that was on somebody's wish list) and are kicking the tires of Tommie Harris.

I wouldn't be surprised if Tommie fails the Pats' physcial.  Guys that young don't go from being a Pro Bowler to barely keeping a roster spot in the course of 3 years unless something really serious has happened to them on or off the field.

I think that injury to Tommie's leg was more severe than the Bears (or Tommie himself) ever let on.  He never gave any evidence of even being close to his former self after that.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 01, 2011, 02:31:22 pm
The Eagles and Pats are really loading up.   I think they are better than the Colts, now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 01, 2011, 02:43:02 pm
The Eagles and Pats are really loading up.   I think they are better than the Colts, now.

It's almost inconceivable that a team with a 14-2 regular season record would need to "load up"... but the Pats' early exit from the playoffs last year did not play well in New England at all. The bar continues to be set as high as ever within that organization, and what are seen as "radical moves" by those with lower standards are simply SOP in Foxboro.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on August 01, 2011, 02:54:06 pm
Yeah, I wish the Bears operated that way.  ;) 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 01, 2011, 05:31:41 pm

 We do have THE FOUR HEAD COACHES of the APOCALYPSE in Smith Martz Tice and Marinelli.

 Herman Johnson and Kreutz were sent packing.

 Meanwhile ... we seemed to have fallen into a love affair of EX-Cowboys and Texans.

 Marian Barber

 Roy Williams

 Amobi Okoye

 This ought to get interesting real fast ... not taking a pro or con view ...

 lets let the four horsmen figure what is best ... they signed them.

 However lets not forget what Philly signed ... and we could have. We had the coin.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on August 01, 2011, 05:32:16 pm
Yeah, I wish the Bears operated that way.  ;)

No fire, The McCaskets are making money hand over fist. Look how many of them the team its supporting
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 02, 2011, 06:04:21 am
Let's see how they play on the field, before we crown the Eagles.  Someone mentioned that you get all of that high end talent on one team, and it becomes dysfunctional cause they are are worried about who is getting the pub, the radio shows, the endorsements, the playing time, etc.

Let's let this play out a little...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 02, 2011, 06:05:10 am
I do acknowledge the Eagles have won the "signing players championship"...  How did that work out for the Redskins?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 02, 2011, 07:47:21 am
Braylon Edwards can't keep himself away from trouble even when FA dollars are on the line.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/01/braylon-edwards-has-another-brush-with-the-law/

I am VERY VERY glad we passed on that ****.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on August 02, 2011, 07:51:36 am
Glad the Bears didnt want him. Just trouble waiting to happen
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on August 03, 2011, 12:58:01 pm
Dolphin fans chanting for Orton (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/08/01/dolphin-fans-chanting-for-orton/8567/)

My, what a difference 2,000 miles make.  The Miami Dolphins held a scrimmage at Dolphin Stadium tonight, and the crowd grew increasingly frustrated with starting quarterback Chad Henne. My buddy Brian Biggane of the Palm Beach Post reported that after Henne under-threw a pass, the fans started chanting “We want Orton!”  Quite a change from Broncos camp, where Kyle Orton isn’t booed, but he’s clearly not the crowd favorite either. We haven’t heard any “We want Tebow” chants yet this at Dove Valley, but it is only Aug. 1.  Trade talks between Orton, the Broncos and the Dolphins broke down last week. But apparently, Dolphins fans aren’t ready to let the idea go.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 03, 2011, 01:08:11 pm
Looks like Orton is staying in Denver this year.

A lot of Denver fans are none too happy about it but the funny thing is, Dolphins fans are bummed too.  I think it's pretty obvious that Orton is miles better than any QB on the Fins roster but for whatever reason Elway and the Broncs have gotten cold feet about moving him. Maybe Tebow isn't as far along as they had hoped he'd be.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 03, 2011, 02:15:36 pm
Looks like Orton is staying in Denver this year.

A lot of Denver fans are none too happy about it but the funny thing is, Dolphins fans are bummed too.  I think it's pretty obvious that Orton is miles better than any QB on the Fins roster but for whatever reason Elway and the Broncs have gotten cold feet about moving him. Maybe Tebow isn't as far along as they had hoped he'd be.

Thats what I heard too. The minute Tebow went on the field it was obvious that Orton was the starter.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 03, 2011, 05:57:42 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/03/bubba-smith-dies-at-66/

Says in the article he played DL at 6'7, 265 and was one of the biggest players in the league at the time.

He would be a TE today at that size.

Anyway...  RIP, Hightower.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 03, 2011, 06:22:50 pm
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 3, 2011, 6:28 PM EDT
 

Charles Aaron “Bubba” Smith, the No. 1 overall pick in the 1967 NFL draft who later found fame as an actor, has died at the age of 66.

Remember "kill, Bubba, kill?"
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 03, 2011, 06:58:51 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/03/bubba-smith-dies-at-66/

Says in the article he played DL at 6'7, 265 and was one of the biggest players in the league at the time.

He would be a TE today at that size.

Anyway...  RIP, Hightower.

 Wow thats sad at that age. He was one of the greats. RIP
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on August 03, 2011, 08:43:34 pm
I only remember him from po po academy flicks.  I guess that makes me a young whipper snapper...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F57JSA7ZKs
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 03, 2011, 09:15:17 pm

 Hope you enjoy this ...  :D

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDoyuBxa6p4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDoyuBxa6p4)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 03, 2011, 09:18:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYfgvPKOnTA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYfgvPKOnTA)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 03, 2011, 09:25:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPm3l5przFI&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPm3l5przFI&NR=1)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 04, 2011, 06:31:03 am
Dolphin fans chanting for Orton (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/08/01/dolphin-fans-chanting-for-orton/8567/)

My, what a difference 2,000 miles make.  The Miami Dolphins held a scrimmage at Dolphin Stadium tonight, and the crowd grew increasingly frustrated with starting quarterback Chad Henne. My buddy Brian Biggane of the Palm Beach Post reported that after Henne under-threw a pass, the fans started chanting “We want Orton!”  Quite a change from Broncos camp, where Kyle Orton isn’t booed, but he’s clearly not the crowd favorite either. We haven’t heard any “We want Tebow” chants yet this at Dove Valley, but it is only Aug. 1.  Trade talks between Orton, the Broncos and the Dolphins broke down last week. But apparently, Dolphins fans aren’t ready to let the idea go.

As I remember it, Henne was one of the stronger critics of Tebow when he came out.  Should have just kept his mouth shut, as Henne is proving nothing of his value.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 04, 2011, 08:20:07 am
Henne is a joke.

I still remember when the Bears were on the clock in the 2nd round the year he was drafted and the ESPN draft "experts" just about had a stroke when we made our pick and it wasn't him.  Idiots.

The Dolphins will be drafting a QB with their 1st round pick in 2012...  or trading a kings ransom to get one from another team.  Mark it down. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on August 04, 2011, 10:11:55 am
I heard an interview with Packer beat writer Rob Demovsky on the Score.  The Puke are the 5th youngest team in the NFL.  They are getting a ton of key players back from IR. 

Now consider the rosters of the SB participants last year.  The Packers had 39 of their own draft picks on the roster last year and they started 2 UDFAs in the Super Bowl.  The Steelers had 33 draft picks on their roster last year.  This Broncos woe is me angled article (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17322547) contains the draft list of the SB teams from 2004 to 2010.

In comparison, how many draft picks from 2004-2010 (http://drafthistory.com/teams/bears.html) are on the Bears this year?  C. Harris, Hester, and Graham are all that's left from 2004-2007.  I may have missed a player or two, but I counted 19 who are still on the Bears roster, not including the 5 from this years draft.

Add in the FA follies from Archuleta to Fat Manu who were signed because they were supposedly system players and his inexplicable and inexcusable neglect for the offensive line in the draft and I still ask...

Why is Jerry Angelo still employed as general manager of the Chicago Bears and why do we have a guy in Ruskell who is absolutely vilified in Seattle as the next dunce waiting in the wings?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on August 04, 2011, 10:22:14 am
It's simple.  Angelo's team won the NFC central and was within a TD of going to the SB bowl with a backup QB.

If the Bears had finished 7-9 again...there would a few folks not with the team this season.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 04, 2011, 10:51:25 am
I am actually very surprised at the amount of roster churn we have seen on the Bears this offseason.  The number of new bodies brought in (and the veterans let go) is more indicative of a team that finished below .500 than of a team that came within one game of the SuperBowl. 

You can dispute whether or not Angelo & Ruskell made the right moves (and that won't be known for sure till the season has played out), but no one can accuse them of not being active.   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 04, 2011, 02:31:30 pm
Keep an eye on #10 in the future:
<img src=http://media.jsonline.com/images/650*373/ap-packers-camp-footballo(2).jpg (http://media.jsonline.com/images/650*373/ap-packers-camp-footballo(2).jpg)>
 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on August 04, 2011, 04:32:07 pm
The future is next month...is Flynn going to be playing then?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 04, 2011, 06:39:10 pm
If Rodgers is injured.  If not, the team shold have traded him, with 20/20 hindsight.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 05, 2011, 06:29:21 am
If Rodgers is injured.  If not, the team shold have traded him, with 20/20 hindsight.

I think Rodgers being injured and concussed is a very real possibility.  Now that he has suffered through at least 2 significant concussions, he is going to be more prone to more moving forward.  I offer Steve Young as your example.  And teams aren't going to coach going for the head, but you can bet their are pleny of players who will take the shot to Rockem' Sockem' Robot his head clean off.

I think in foresight, you retaining Matt Flynn as your back=up is actually a good move given the potential for Rodger's vulnerability.  Part of what make Rodgers special is his ability to use his feet and gain yards.  If I were the Packer's coaches I would be working with him on getting that out of his repertoire, and use his legs to extend plays rather than gain 12 yards and take a hammer shot.  If they can coach that into him, he can have a longer career, but if not... Matt Flynn your table is ready!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on August 05, 2011, 08:59:24 am
Corey Wooten, your next assignment is...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on August 05, 2011, 09:42:30 am
I will always have a fondness for Corey for putting Favre out for the final time.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 05, 2011, 10:02:24 am
If Matthews had not knocked Kolb out of the Eagles  game early in the 2010 season we may never have seen what  the Dogster could do. It could have been a whole different scene.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 05, 2011, 10:06:36 am
Rodgers got a hit last season that looked as though it could result in a concussion.  No concussion resulted.  Rodgers claimed the new style helmet he had changed to prevented ti.  We'll see.

I look for a better O-line to preotect  Rodgers this season and with Finley open for quick dump-offs he may get by OK.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 06, 2011, 06:50:57 am
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 06, 2011, 05:54:13 pm

 The board is wiped clean ... its anybodys game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on August 09, 2011, 05:01:46 pm
Albert Haynesworth missed his 4th straight day of practice.  Guess the nay sayers may be right about him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 10, 2011, 07:20:12 pm
Albert Haynesworth missed his 4th straight day of practice.  Guess the nay sayers may be right about him.

Hasnt been there long enough for Belichek to sink in yet methinks.

Also understand N.E. may be going to 3-4 AND 4-3 sets. Interesting.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pistol on August 11, 2011, 09:08:32 pm
Nice to be watching football. Don't even care who it is...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 11, 2011, 11:50:20 pm
Nice to be watching football. Don't even care who it is...

 Yup. I got the Seattle - Dago game ... What the fuuuuck ... ITS FAHBAWWW!

 Seattle 24 Dago 17
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 12, 2011, 12:13:47 am

 The health issue plaguing Jeremy Maclin remains a mystery to everyone, and the Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver is taking further steps to explain it.


 
In the latest sign that Maclin's situation is cause for concern, he flew to St. Louis on Thursday to undergo more testing, according to WIP-AM in Philadelphia.

According to the report, there's a belief that Maclin might miss the start of the regular season.

Maclin attempted to downplay the seriousness of his situation earlier in the week when he called rumors of him dealing with a career-threatening illness "crazy."

He is in my prayers ... I hope he'sOK.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 12, 2011, 09:28:34 am
Moving the kickoffs up to where they used to be is going to be frustrating indeed.....

Wasn't aware of the kickoff guys having to start at the 30 yard line (wonder how this will effect those bunch up and pick a side kickoff styles we see once and awhile)....

It may be preseason... but it FOOOOOTTTTBAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHWWWW !
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 14, 2011, 12:50:38 am
Moving the kickoffs up to where they used to be is going to be frustrating indeed.....

Wasn't aware of the kickoff guys having to start at the 30 yard line  (wonder how this will effect those bunch up and pick a side kickoff styles we see once and awhile)....

It may be preseason... but it FOOOOOTTTTBAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHWWWW !

 I wonder if we can get a 7th for Hester? The new rule makes him almost ... almost ... a non factor.  :'(

 I understand the reasoning behind it for less injurys ... but you just took FOOTBALL away in the process.

 Cant we just eliminate tackles and pull flags from guys belts? Thats where its heading.  :-\
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 14, 2011, 05:41:36 pm
Newton was a little erratic, but he was a lot of fun to watch.  Greg Olsen was the leading receiver with 58 yard on three catches.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on August 15, 2011, 08:07:32 am
I saw a little of the CAR game, it looks like they will use Olsen a good bit.
Cam looked calmer than I expected. It will be interesting to see how long before he starts.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 16, 2011, 10:44:22 am
I find it amusing that Favre (the guy who refused to help tutor his own team's back-up QBs) is turoring a guy he never met and has nothing to do with.

Add to this the fact that he never was a classic style QB, and used any type of throw that struck his fancy.  He used poor judgement on may of his throws. 

How good can he be at tutoring  a young QB and what kind of a self-centered kind of guy is he?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on August 16, 2011, 10:49:49 am
you know and I know that Favre knows how he is supposed to do things he just does it his own way anyway.
I expect Favre's interest in grooming a young QB has more to do with opening other doors than anything else, maybe he is just bored.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 16, 2011, 10:55:06 am
you know and I know that Favre knows how he is supposed to do things he just does it his own way anyway.
I expect Favre's interest in grooming a young QB has more to do with opening other doors than anything else, maybe he is just bored.

Anything that keeps him away from Deanna, apparently.

Not to mention, lots of hot young poon to be had wherever a young NFL QB is hanging out. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on August 16, 2011, 12:30:54 pm
That last observation was cruel.  Accurate I'm sure, but cruel none the less.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 17, 2011, 06:28:17 pm
Eli Manning says he is an elite QB, in the Tom Brady class.  The NFL needs to give him a drut test.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22825103/vp/44178073#44178073
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on August 19, 2011, 04:58:07 am
I wonder how many Iggle/Steeler fans skipped a heartbeat when Vick threw his body head and shoulder first down low into Polamalu's knees for a tackle on the INT.  Talk about a potential season altering play in a game that doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 20, 2011, 02:02:53 am
I wonder how many Iggle/Steeler fans skipped a heartbeat when Vick threw his body head and shoulder first down low into Polamalu's knees for a tackle on the INT.  Talk about a potential season altering play in a game that doesn't matter.

 We know for a fact after the Grossman experiment that a QB ... outside of Brees ...

 at 6'1" is to short today in the NFL.

 Vick at 6'0" is going to backup Vince Young ... 6'5" ... can we say take it to the bank? Well ...lets not.  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 20, 2011, 09:09:25 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/20/ochocinco-offers-to-reimburse-foster-if-hes-fined/

I like Chad a little more now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on August 21, 2011, 01:55:28 pm
The Chiefs almost traded Jamaal Charles (http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/1783)

Not recently, but once upon a time.  I just finished a radio spot on a Baltimore station to talk about tonight's Ravens-Chiefs game. One of the hosts was Vinny Cerrato, Washington's former general manager.  He said that shortly after Scott Pioli and Todd Haley joined the Chiefs in 2009, he called and offered a fourth-round pick for Jamaal Charles.  Charles was fourth in line at running back at the time behind Larry Johnson, Kolby Smith and even Dantrelle Savage.  Cerrato said the Chiefs countered by asking for a third-round choice. Washington refused and trade talks died.  But the Chiefs were that close to losing Charles.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 21, 2011, 07:36:56 pm
By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel


Aug. 20, 2011
 

Green Bay - For fledgling NFL players, trying to crack the Green Bay Packers' 53-man roster is about as difficult as scoring a part in a Martin Scorsese film.

There's too much A-list talent already signed up.

But the deliberations general manager Ted Thompson will have to make in casting the defending Super Bowl champions may be as challenging as any in his career because of potential talent hidden among the 86 players he has in training camp.

Take, for instance, the wide receiver position.

You can pencil in Greg Jennings, James Jones, Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb to the 53-man roster. And you can pretty much assume Donald Driver will be there, too.

But what does he do with a guy like Chastin West, who spent the entire 2010 season on the practice squad and blasted into the forefront with five catches for 134 yards, including a 97-yard touchdown against the Arizona Cardinals Friday night?

It would be one thing if West were the only receiver causing Thompson a double-take, but rookies Diondre Borel and Tory Gurley have been pretty good, too. What in the name of roster limits is Thompson to do?

From West's perspective, this is exactly the dilemma he wanted to create.

"You have really good receivers who just won the Super Bowl and played well in the Super Bowl," he said after his big preseason performance against the Cardinals. "You have to change their mind and do what you can do to make the team."

It might seem easy for Thompson to say he'll go with six wide receivers on the roster - he usually goes with five - but that means taking from another position to pump up one that already is deep and talented.

He could carry one fewer running back, but he's got a problem there, too.

In addition to James Starks and Ryan Grant, fourth-round pick Alex Green has shown considerable promise, John Kuhn is a lock as the top fullback and Dimitri Nance and Quinn Johnson are in the running for spots as well. The fewest running backs Thompson has kept is five in 2008 and six has been the norm.

If he keeps just five, that means there's no chance to keep undrafted rookie Brandon Saine, who has looked surprisingly good, and might mean the release of Grant. If he keeps six at this spot, he then has to make up for the extra receiver somewhere else.

How about at tight end?

Forget about that. At this point, he could legitimately keep five of the six he has in camp. Jermichael Finley is the only lock, but Andrew Quarless, D.J. Williams, Ryan Taylor, Tom Crabtree and Spencer Havner are all options.

Cut Quarless and you'd be letting go of your second-best athlete at the position. Let Crabtree go and you lose your best blocker. Taylor has been too good to let go, and Williams has done enough to make you think he's a prospect.

Say Thompson keeps five. He could count one as a fullback and keep just four backs, but there would be some risk involved in that since the tight ends really only serve as fullbacks on passing downs. If something happened to Kuhn, he'd be in trouble in short yardage situations.

There's always the possibility Thompson could keep nine offensive linemen or defensive backs instead of the usual 10, but getting caught short in those positions can be deadly for a contender. He very well could want to keep an extra defensive back with youngsters like Brandian Ross and Josh Gordy pushing for a spot.

And so the deliberations continue.

"It's like musical chairs," West said of his chances. "Sometimes the chair is going to be there when the music stops."

Quick to the line: In both preseason games, the Packers were slow out of the gate offensively.

Then they went to the no-huddle offense and marched down the field for touchdowns. It's starting to look as if the no-huddle could be something the Packers use a lot more.

"We'll see," quarterback Aaron Rodgers said. "It's something that we can use. It's been in the plan for a while. We worked on it last preseason a lot, never really ran it in a game and didn't use it until the Atlanta game. I think it was Week 12. We'll see what happens."

From Rodgers' standpoint, it's a good tempo-setter, but running it won't be as easy in the regular season because opponents will prepare for it and be ready to defend it.

"Defenses have really passed up offenses as far as schematically and doing things that will make it difficult for the offense to know who's coming and what coverage to play behind it," Rodgers said. "When you get in the no-huddle, it can vanilla that down a little.

"But some teams are going to game-plan for us and we'll figure out what kind of role that no-huddle is going to play for us."
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on August 21, 2011, 08:36:09 pm
Good to see that Dallas is overrated again. SD up 17-7 at half.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 21, 2011, 11:48:22 pm
Good to see that Dallas is overrated again. SD up 17-7 at half.

 And finished 20-7. Dago was #1 in both Offense and Defense last year and ended up 9-7.

 That in itself defies all NFL logic.  ???
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 03:07:46 pm
Raidahs give up a 3rd round pick to take Terrelle Pryor in the supplemental draft.

LMFAO.  They just never learn out there, do they?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 22, 2011, 06:59:45 pm
I think Davus has Alzheimers.  Hde learns but then he, fogets.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on August 23, 2011, 08:44:32 am
At least they appear to have wised up and don't show Davis on TV anymore.  And remember folks, thats AFTER the makeup and surgery. Yikes!!!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: panthermark on August 23, 2011, 01:14:03 pm
Too bad I'm not a Jets or Giants fan....

MetLife just landed the naming rights to the new stadium.  The Meadowlands will now be "MetLife Stadium"
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 23, 2011, 07:04:49 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on August 23, 2011, 2:26 PM EDT
 
AP
On the same day that he was supposed to be in a courtroom facing assault charges, Patriots defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth is instead on a football field.
 
Ian Rapoport of the Boston Herald reports that Haynesworth, after a 20-day absence, returned to practice.
 
He showed up in full pads, and he participated in individual drills, jogging from station to station.
 
Rapoport also points out that he can’t confirm that Haynesworth’s participation in practice caused the D.C. earthquake.  We can confirm, however, that Haynesworth’s presence indeed sparked a hockey game in hell.

Fat Albert is still a turd.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 24, 2011, 11:01:11 am
Would the Packers CUT GRANT?  Or trade him?

Green Bay - If Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson decides to keep just three halfbacks, he's going to have a tough call to make.

Does he stick with what he knows he has or with what he hopes he has?

That is the difference between Ryan Grant and Dimitri Nance, two backs as different as night is from day, but possibly competitors for one roster position.

It might seem like heresy to even consider the Packers letting Grant go, but the truth is about two weeks before the season opener the only certainties at the position for the 53-man roster are James Starks, Alex Green and John Kuhn.

Grant is healthy again after spending 19 games on injured reserve with a damaged ankle, and the coaches have been doing what they can to see him in live action. He started against the Arizona Cardinals on Friday night and played in the first three series, finishing with 23 yards on five carries...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 25, 2011, 04:11:38 pm
Goody...  even more flags to come in NFL games that already run too long.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-nfl-experimenting-with-8th-offical-in-preseason-20110825,0,1160672.story

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on August 25, 2011, 10:51:17 pm
Watching Eggles/Brownies in Philly, Vick is getting the absolute hell beat out of him. 1st qtr, they better pull him or they'll carry him off.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 25, 2011, 10:55:41 pm
It just proves that no matter how good your skill players are if your O-line sucks they aren't going to be doing a whole lot for your team.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on August 25, 2011, 10:59:26 pm
Truer words never spoken.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on August 25, 2011, 11:08:25 pm
Good God he just got clocked again.  The Brownies DC? Dick Jaruon.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 26, 2011, 08:23:21 am
Vick knocked out for the season by Game 3 and Vince Young becomes the starter and fails. Iggles go 7-9.

That scenario would make me happy to no end.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on August 26, 2011, 10:49:29 am
The Eagles had o-line problems last season and they did NOTHING to address it.

No QB should have to scramble all over the place because of the lack of protection for him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on August 26, 2011, 04:04:37 pm
wonder if the folks in Philly are realizing it might not have been Donny boy who was the problem?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 27, 2011, 12:08:41 am
Too bad I'm not a Jets or Giants fan....

MetLife just landed the naming rights to the new stadium.  The Meadowlands will now be "MetLife Stadium"

 Is Metlife your competition Panther?

 
Watching Eggles/Brownies in Philly, Vick is getting the absolute hell beat out of him. 1st qtr, they better pull him or they'll carry him off.

 We went thru this with the Grossman experiment ... Vick is too short.

 Only Brees with his size can pull this off in this day and age. Vince Young 6'5" anyone?

 
Vick knocked out for the season by Game 3 and Vince Young becomes the starter and fails. Iggles go 7-9.

That scenario would make me happy to no end.

 Therein lies the quandry ... Young may not fail given a second chance.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 27, 2011, 07:31:16 am
Grossman looked good against the Ravens first team, and they were playing their defensive starters.  Also sending blitz after blitz, good for Rex.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 27, 2011, 07:33:01 am
I think Vick will miss at least 4 games this season.  Good pick up in getting Vince Young to back up, a lot of the same skill set.  Young is just an immature primadona, if he can mature he may still have a future.  Clock is ticking on that.

Dream team... ha
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 01, 2011, 11:01:46 am
Fred Taylor is hanging it up.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/01/fred-taylor-will-retire-a-jaguar-on-friday/

One of the best RBs to ever come out of a U of Florida program that has produced quite a few of them.

This guy was a freakin beast when healthy, which wasn't very often. If not for his injuries he would be a first ballot Hall of Famer for sure.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 02, 2011, 07:32:51 am
and then Vince Young pulls a hammy...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2011, 05:03:09 pm
NFL suspends Vikings' Kevin Williams for 2 games
 
 Tribune News Services
 
2:46 p.m. CDT, September 2, 2011
MINNEAPOLIS — Minnesota Vikings defensive tackle Kevin Williams has been suspended for the first two games of the regular season for violating the league's policy on performance-enhancing substances, ending a three-year court fight.

The league announced the suspension on Friday, nine days before the Vikings open the season at San Diego on Sept. 11. Williams was initially suspended for four games before the court struggle ensued, but the league reduced that suspension and fined Williams an additional two game checks.

Williams and former teammate Pat Williams had been embroiled in a long court fight over their positive tests for the banned diuretic bumetanide in 2008. They argued that the supplement StarCaps did not include the ingredient on its label.

In April, the Minnesota Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal from Pat Williams, who is a free agent and has not signed with a team.

The Vikings were off Friday and unavailable for comment.

The suspension could help Kevin Williams, who is dealing with a painful case of plantar fasciitis in his left foot. Taking the first two weeks of the season off could give it more time to heal, even though Williams said this week that he expected to play through pain all season.

There is no question that his absence is a big blow to the Vikings defense. The former All-Pro is the anchor of the defensive line and one of the most versatile players at his position in the game, excelling both at stopping the run and rushing the passer.

The Vikings likely will rely on LeTroy Guion and rookie fourth-rounder Christian Ballard to pick up the slack. Both performed well in the preseason.
Copyright 2011 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2011, 05:05:17 pm
Sure was a long time coming. And it really helps Williams. Oh well! Sigh!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 02, 2011, 05:55:54 pm
They were suspended for four games they should of done the full time.  In fact they should of had to do double the suspension and had to pay all of the NFL legal expenses for dragging it out like they did.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 03, 2011, 04:56:38 am

 Was justice served?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 03, 2011, 06:37:29 am
IMHO, NO justice wasnt served. Sure they were still fined 4 games pay, at least one was, but they can play the last two games
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 03, 2011, 12:21:22 pm
ProFootballTalkProFootballTalk

 by skjensen

 

Colts cut Tommie Harris.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on September 03, 2011, 02:31:09 pm
Here's a list (http://www.nfl.com/transactions?transactionMonth=9&transactionYear=2011&transactionTeamAbbr=&prevTransactionMonth=0&prevTransactionYear=0&prevTransactionTeamAbbr=) of cuts for this month so far...

Gage, Inglesias, and Vasher join Tommie on the ex-Bear cuts.

Jean Giles is the Olineman I recognize.  Bears still thin at LB and DB...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on September 03, 2011, 06:15:50 pm
Joey LaRocque, the Pool jumper, and Maynard cut.

Brandon Meriweather anyone?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on September 03, 2011, 10:38:59 pm
Meriweather would be a Bear tomorrow if I had any say in the matter...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on September 04, 2011, 12:11:47 am
Send mr. Brandon a western union wire. Chicago is lovely this time of the year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on September 04, 2011, 07:41:40 am
For those who still have Brian Waters (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2011/09/patriots_worked_1.html) on their watch list, the Pats are likely to sign him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 04, 2011, 09:35:17 am
Three-year StarCaps delay will cost Kevin Williams, Will Smith big money

 Posted by Mike Florio on September 4, 2011, 9:52 AM EDT
 
AP
In 2008, Vikings defensive tackle Kevin Williams decided to fight his four-game StarCaps suspension.  He successfully delayed the suspension for three years.  In the end, however, he’ll serve a two-game suspension and give up another two games checks.
 
Per Tom Pelissero of 1500ESPN.com, it means that Williams will lose 4/17ths of his $6 million base salary, which amounts to $1.41 million.  If, as Pelissero points out, Williams would have accepted the suspension in 2008, he would have lost less.
 
A lot less.
 
Williams’ base salary was $1 million in 2008.  A four-game suspension would have cost Williams $235,294.  The difference?  $1.176 million.
 
And so Williams understandably isn’t happy.  “Two games, of course, is better than four, but to still get a four-game fine is unbelievable,” Williams told Pelissero. “I can’t believe it. We were offered that deal [by the NFL] before and we turned it down.”
 
On top of the extra $1.176 million in lost game checks, Williams and former Vikings defensive tackle Pat Williams forked over a bunch of money in legal fees.  “I’m not even sure [of the figure],” Williams said. “I can’t even remember how much we paid to be exact. . . .  But it was worth the fight, because it’s going to help future guys out in a similar situations.”
 
Williams got the official word from the league office on Saturday, when he received the letter via FedEx.  “At the end of the day, you can say from the outside that they cut us a break, but you look close, they’re not putting that out there for the public to see that we’re still going to get fined four games,” Williams said. “Who wants to work for free?”
 
The amount of the lost pay should be determined by the lesser of the salary earned in the year the infraction occurred and the salary at the time the suspension is finalized.  The current approach serves as a deterrent for star players like Williams to fight a suspension, knowing that delaying the suspension could eventually make the final bill much more expensive.
 
The same dynamic affects Saints defensive end Will Smith, who like Kevin Williams will receive a base salary of $6 million in 2011 — and thus lose $1.41 million of it.  If the four-game suspension had been enforced in 2008, when Smith’s base salary was only $700,000, he would have lost only $164,000.
 
Thus, Smith will lose even more money, even though his legal challenge ended in 2009, and the league decided not to suspend him while the Williams case was still pending in Minnesota.
 
That said, Pat Williams potentially won big.  If his career is over, he’ll never have to pay a dime to the NFL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 04, 2011, 01:51:49 pm
Meriweather would be a Bear tomorrow if I had any say in the matter...

Somebody in the Bears org agreed with you.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on September 04, 2011, 10:11:34 pm
Sometimes they surprise me...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 05, 2011, 12:44:14 am

 One year contract for Meriweather.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 05, 2011, 06:46:57 am
He has some serious issues too. Somebody has to keep his head glued on straight. Unusual the Bears g*a*m*b*l*e on a player with character issues.

"Meriweather has had some run-ins with the law and league office. At the University of Miami, he stomped on a couple players during the infamous brawl with Florida International. He also was involved in a shooting incident, although he was cleared of any wrongdoing. In the NFL, he was fined $50,000 for a helmet-to-helmet hit on then Baltimore Ravens tight end Todd Heap."

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 05, 2011, 08:48:03 am
In the shooting incident he owned the gun legally and was cleared of all charges.  They found he discharged it legally.  Why this is even brought up as a bad thing is beyond me.  He used it to protect himself and friends from some bad guys.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 05, 2011, 10:42:21 am
I hear you but gun toting players is not what the NFL needs to deal with. Its a sign of trouble to happen.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 05, 2011, 10:47:56 am
If he does the same in Chicago he will be in jail so hopefully he learned from the Plaxico Burress incident and does not carry it.  However I just don't think owning a gun makes a person a bad guy.  I know lots of people who own guns legally.  None of them ever have any problems with the law other then an occasional speeding ticket. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 05, 2011, 11:19:32 am
True, but that stomping on players at a game and the excessive hits tend to shorten your career. All I am saying is that there are attitude issues the Bears tend to weed out before they become a problem. Hopefully these issues are correctable with the right cast surrounding him. He also came out of the Miami program which also has been criticized as being from the ghetto crowd. I certainly hope this isnt a powder keg issue.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on September 05, 2011, 11:34:09 am
One year contract for Meriweather.

I know yapper is angry about that signing.  He hates players who aren't choir boys.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 05, 2011, 11:38:02 am
I bet your postal route is in the ghetto high crime area
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on September 05, 2011, 02:11:01 pm
I love the signing. I couldnt care less about the head hunting and the subsequent fines. It's not my money, and if it makes a WR think twice about going into his area to make a catch...beautiful!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on September 05, 2011, 04:25:03 pm
For the record, I'm still on board with this experiment.  Time will tell whether Belichick is right or not...

From the Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2011/09/04/patriots_draft_classes_failing_in_attendance/?page=full)

■It’s official. The Patriots’ 2007 draft is a complete wash. There isn’t one player left from that class. You can point to trades, but the fact remains the Patriots drafted nine players and they whiffed on all of them. The Patriots currently have on the active roster just three (Stephen Gostkowski, Jerod Mayo, and Matthew Slater) of the 26 players they drafted from 2006-08. Most teams would be crippled by that deficiency, but the Patriots just keep chugging along.

■As for Meriweather, it’s surprising the Patriots didn’t try to trade him earlier at a higher value, or at least deal with him for one more season and let him leave via free agency, recouping a compensatory pick. Now they get nothing.  And the Patriots didn’t try hard to trade him yesterday. A dozen NFL teams said they had not heard Meriweather was on the trading block.  Belichick won’t say it, but his actions - or inactions - say everything: He just wanted Meriweather gone.

Why? Put aside the gun incident, the rap album, and the fact that he showed up slightly out of shape this year.   Meriweather just never progressed from the time he arrived as the 24th overall pick.  His preparation was spotty, and that showed up on the field. Meriweather was always a step behind in his reads. And without his mentor, James Sanders, around, it wasn’t going to improve.  The Patriots could deal with Meriweather’s shortcomings when the rest of the defense and secondary was young, and But not this year.  Not with this scheme.  The Patriots are intent on being an aggressive, pressure defense. They will only be successful if they can play more man coverage on the outside, and that gives greater responsibilities to the safeties. Meriweather would no longer just be the last line of defense.  Two plays this preseason illustrated Meriweather’s struggles. When Jonathan Wilhite came on a slot blitz against Tampa Bay, Meriweather forgot to cover the receiver and the result was a big gain. Against the Lions in the red zone, Meriweather took a false step on play-action and couldn’t recover to clean up over the top of Kyle Arrington’s solid coverage underneath Nate Burleson.That’s just not good enough for a fifth-year player. Is it any wonder that in the next game, Meriweather was assigned scrub duty?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on September 05, 2011, 05:22:04 pm
That's odd. Yahoo said the cards signed Taylor. I know I heard a Titan coach say they had him down here. the 46 needs a hearing test. Somethinig going with age. woohoo.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 05, 2011, 06:26:20 pm
I saw on Espn that he was signed by Cardinals.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on September 06, 2011, 03:58:35 pm
Jags just cut thier starting qb,5 days before the opener.  Not bench, cut.  Curious.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 06, 2011, 04:14:00 pm
Jags just cut thier starting qb,5 days before the opener.  Not bench, cut.  Curious.

Yeah I saw that. Very strange...  Garrard could certainly make a servicable backup for some team, but with everybody having finalized their rosters it's gonna constitute a relatively major roster move for one of them to pull the trigger at this stage of the game.

Feels like a pretty class-less move by the Jags to not at least give their former starter a better chance at catching on someplace else.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 06, 2011, 06:17:27 pm
True, but that stomping on players at a game and the excessive hits tend to shorten your career. All I am saying is that there are attitude issues the Bears tend to weed out before they become a problem. Hopefully these issues are correctable with the right cast surrounding him. He also came out of the Miami program which also has been criticized as being from the ghetto crowd. I certainly hope this isnt a powder keg issue.

 Maybe we need sombody with attitude ... we always got it done with attitude.

 
Jags just cut thier starting qb,5 days before the opener.  Not bench, cut.  Curious.

 Fuuucking crippled my ass in FFL. I hear it was about the payout of 8 Mil.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on September 07, 2011, 06:26:01 pm
Yikes, and I really wanted this guy:

Two days after admitting his transition to the NFL was “overwhelming,” Eagles rookie Danny Watkins was removed from the starting lineup.
 
Reuben Frank of CSNPhilly.com reports from Eagles practice Wednesday that new waiver pickup Kyle DeVan will replace Watkins in the starting lineup. DeVan took all the reps with the starting lineup.
 
This is the right move by all accounts. Watkins doesn’t look ready.
 
Still, the Eagles have to be disappointed with the uncertainty of their offensive line.  Their right guard is a waiver pickup that wasn’t good enough to stick with the Colts.   The right tackle was moved from guard because their first two options were hurt. The center is a rookie.  The first round pick is on the bench.
 
There are plenty of reasons to think the Eagles will be good this year, but there are almost as many questions about them.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on September 08, 2011, 04:45:32 am
DREAM team
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 08, 2011, 08:04:51 am
Wow... 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/07/indy-radio-host-says-manning-will-miss-entire-season/

The writer of this article is overplaying it for dramatic effect, but if true, this is the story of the year in the NFL no matter what happens the rest of the season.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on September 08, 2011, 08:34:12 am
I disagree - any starting QB injury is big news - but it's not like he is DEAD...

Not having him do all those commercials for DirecTV all season would be HUGE
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 08, 2011, 08:44:14 am
I disagree - any starting QB injury is big news - but it's not like he is DEAD...

Not having him do all those commercials for DirecTV all season would be HUGE

Agreed, except for the fact #1 that the injury may be career ending, and #2 that Peyton just weeks ago signed a new contract guaranteeing him a bajillion dollars  (hey the guy may be ugly but he's not stupid). 
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Post by: 46 on September 08, 2011, 08:45:48 am
I know it would be bad for the nfl, and ffl, I get that, but I sooo sick of seeing it every 30 seconds he's not playing. Meanwhile, and entire hockey team is dead thanks to the awful crates they throw them in around Russia. But my God!! Manning isn't playing, Manning isn't playing!!!  Honestly, being a Bear fan, I just don't give a damn. And fyi, Collins isn't chopped liver. If all those clever people on the Indy staff do the work, you just might get suprised.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on September 08, 2011, 09:04:56 am
Manning not playing ends his consecutive game streak leaving the record with Favre. Anything that results in more stories or mentions of Favre is tragic to me.
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 08, 2011, 09:21:44 am
If Manning is out, would the Colts add Farve to the roster to replace him?
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Post by: yapper on September 08, 2011, 09:28:17 am
If Manning is out, would the Colts add Farve to the roster to replace him?

LOL...  more likely it would be David Garrard.

Or, they'll just tank the season and draft Luck next April.
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Post by: boogie on September 08, 2011, 09:43:07 am
I think I read that if Manning doesnt play at all and goes on IR he gets $23.4 mil, if he plays he gets another 3 mil bonus. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 08, 2011, 09:45:12 am
I think I read that if Manning doesnt play at all and goes on IR he gets $23.4 mil

Not a bad retirement fund...
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Post by: boogie on September 08, 2011, 09:46:55 am
And then his salary for next year was another in the $20something millions.  The article said if he cant play this year or next the Colts will have to decide if they cut him or not. 
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Post by: yapper on September 08, 2011, 09:50:39 am
Man...  the Colts front office screwed the pooch HUGE on this one.

And I thought we mis-timed Tommie Harris' last deal...   that's nothing compared to this bungle.  Talk about your sunk costs...
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Post by: BearHit on September 08, 2011, 10:24:04 am
But imagine how the media would be all over this if Cutler was in a similar situation...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 08, 2011, 11:41:04 am
LOL...  more likely it would be David Garrard.

Or, they'll just tank the season and draft Luck next April.

Probably, but I cant see the Colts tanking the season. They want to go back to the Super Bowel. So does Farve. Thats the missing thing on his HOF resume.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on September 08, 2011, 02:43:15 pm
peyton manning underwent additional neck surgery according to ESPN.
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Post by: yapper on September 08, 2011, 03:09:28 pm
It's cervical fusion surgery.  That doesn't sound good.

Unless you're one of the other 3 teams in the AFC South, that is.
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Post by: AZSteve on September 08, 2011, 03:28:01 pm
so the Texans can, possibly, be the early favorites to take that division barring any major injuries as well?
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Post by: yapper on September 08, 2011, 03:32:53 pm
Yes, as of today most of the man-on-the-street projections have the Texans taking that division.

I don't think the AFC South will be as pathetically weak as the NFC West was last year (and may be again)...  but it could be close to that bad.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on September 08, 2011, 03:35:58 pm
Texans look to be an exciting team based on what i remember seeing last season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 08, 2011, 03:56:44 pm
Texans have a top 3 WR (Andre Johnson), a top 10 RB (Arian Foster) and a guy that many consider a top 10 QB in Matt Schaub.

Their problem is that way too often they give up more points than they score.  If they can beef up their D, the division should be theirs for the taking.  If not, who knows?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on September 08, 2011, 06:56:26 pm
yeah I caught a little chatter about the Texans on NFL network or ESPN and your opinion seems to reflect what I heard,good call...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 08, 2011, 09:28:11 pm
I just watched the Packers/Saints 1st half and I dont see any flaws to exploit in the Packers game. They look unstoppable
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 08, 2011, 09:34:46 pm
The Saints defense sucks.  They have no clue how to stop the Packers offense.

The way to beat the Packers is to run all day on them.  On defense get pressure with your front four.  Pretty much what the Bears have built their team to do.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 08, 2011, 09:35:41 pm
The Saints need to learn how to tackle.  That is pathetic.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 09, 2011, 08:25:06 am
They have no clue how to stop the Packers offense.

I really hate to say this.....but I dont believe there will be many teams out there that will have the ability to stop the Packer offense. It looked like a machine.
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Post by: stelz on September 09, 2011, 08:32:58 am
To beat the Packers there needs to be pressure and hits on Rodgers.  After Peppers hit him early in the 2nd half of the NFC Championship game, he was much worse and their offense was far less effective.

And get a ball control game going on offense.  Block, catch the ball!

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Post by: yapper on September 09, 2011, 08:34:29 am
What I had to laugh at is how the Saints needed that last run up the middle to potentially tie the game, and couldn't get any push.

Gee, where have Bears fans seen that before (dozens of times), and guess who was literally in the middle of it all?

Good riddance.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 09, 2011, 08:36:19 am
The Saints defense sucks.  They have no clue how to stop the Packers offense.

The way to beat the Packers is to run all day on them. 

Easier said than done with B.J. Raji in the middle. Of course with Kreutz at C it's no big surprise that was a challenge for the Saints.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on September 09, 2011, 08:38:16 am
fans got a good prime time taste of the new kickoff rule and I don't think they are going to like it. Sure, there was an exciting return but he had to go 108yards. How many of those kinds of kicks are going to be run out of the endzone? The touchback/return ratio is going to be huge.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 09, 2011, 08:41:00 am
fans got a good prime time taste of the new kickoff rule and I don't think they are going to like it. Sure, there was an exciting return but he had to go 108yards. How many of those kinds of kicks are going to be run out of the endzone? The touchback/return ratio is going to be huge.

I HATE the new kickoff rule.  If I want to see every other kickoff going through the endzone I'll watch Arena Football.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: stelz on September 09, 2011, 08:54:30 am
I'm thinking the kickoff rule gets changed back after the year is over...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 09, 2011, 08:59:28 am
I'm thinking the kickoff rule gets changed back after the year is over...

Yup...  right after we get rid of all our kickoff return aces   :(
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 09, 2011, 09:22:59 am
I'm thinking the kickoff rule gets changed back after the year is over...

I somehow doubt this, due to all the whimpy attitudes above, and the NFLs attempt to take contact out of the game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 10, 2011, 02:06:49 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/10/sean-payton-on-final-play-call-we-had-a-chance-to-punch-it-in/

Article on the last play of the Packers/Saints game.  Halfway down the video is posted.  Look who is standing 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage when the play is over with.  You simply can not run up the middle with Kruetz as your center in short yardage situations at this point in his career.  Did the Saints not watch any game film on him before signing him?

Maybe Jason Laconfora should take notes...

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 11, 2011, 07:24:38 am
Laconfora must be related to someone at the NFL Network.  How he ever has that job is beyond me.  Schefter is the only one that I think has a better pulse on things.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 07:44:30 am
Super Bowl is in Indy this year and I guess the Colts won't be playing in it....not with Collins at QB,for sure....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 11, 2011, 03:46:41 pm
I'd have Favre's number on speed dial if I were the Colts
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: guest77 on September 11, 2011, 05:49:58 pm
Just watched a classic Rex Grossman sack and fumbleroosky on Red Zone Channel.  Boy I do not miss those days.  Sexy Rexy indeed!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on September 11, 2011, 07:38:28 pm
Rex had a good game...300+  ayrds and 2 TDs
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 11, 2011, 09:35:44 pm
I dont miss Grossman one bit, but I am not unhappy he did well today
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Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 10:06:46 pm
I sure wish we had signed Burress.  He is having a huge game for the Jets.
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Post by: navigator on September 12, 2011, 08:06:47 am
I have never liked the skins but I'll pull for Rex.
I'll pull for Kyle up in Den too.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on September 12, 2011, 11:05:17 am
I heard on the NFL network for like the last 5 or 6 years that the team city hosting the Super Bowl has lost their starting QB for that year for some reason or another.

Weird...   ???
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on September 12, 2011, 11:32:30 am
After last nights game can we finally put to rest the notion that Tony Romo is an elite QB? What a choke job....again.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on September 12, 2011, 11:40:12 am
He will get better press than Cutler - no matter what he does
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 12:06:05 pm
The Seahawks looked like a really bad team yesterday. That doesn't surprise me. If there was ever a team that should tank the season to get a good QB in the draft, it's those guys.

What surprised me is that the Chiefs and Colts looked at least as awful as the Seahawks, if not worse.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on September 12, 2011, 12:15:56 pm
Nice choke job by the Cowboys last night.  Enjoyed EVERY minute of it too!!!
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Post by: guest77 on September 12, 2011, 12:19:24 pm
Doesn't break my heart to see the Cowboys lose.  I hope Rex and Neckbeard do well also,  I was just commenting on the fumbleroosky because it was a deja vu moment.  Give Rex time and he can carve up a defense.  Unfortunately, he never had that here consistently.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 12, 2011, 12:23:29 pm
The Colts are back to their,what was it...1 and 15 season they had years ago? That was one lopsided loss. 34 zip at half? wow. And Romo, the guy loses the ball diving towards the endzone. Then he throws a retarded easy int right to the guy. Can't do that and expect to win. Totally confused as to why the Colts picked up Collins. Word was he didn't want to play again and boy is it showing. This is a club that usually makes smart moves and this one dumbfounded me.
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Post by: BearHit on September 12, 2011, 12:23:41 pm
What will be interesting this week is when the Eagles (dream team) go to Atlanta and get stomped by those terrible Falcons
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Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 12:27:39 pm
I'm really curious why the Colts haven't picked up Garrard yet.  Seriously, he can't be any worse than Collins was yesterday, plus he would bring over a ton of valuable intel from a division rival and be highly motivated to beat them.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on September 12, 2011, 01:14:46 pm
I know why they haven't.

It is called the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.  Why try to win a few games this year when you can lose a lot and maybe be bad enough to have your future QB to take over soon.  It's obvious that Mannings career is ending sooner than later.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 01:28:59 pm
I know why they haven't.

It is called the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.  Why try to win a few games this year when you can lose a lot and maybe be bad enough to have your future QB to take over soon.  It's obvious that Mannings career is ending sooner than later.

You may very well be on to something there.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 12, 2011, 01:53:51 pm
HMMmmmm....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on September 12, 2011, 02:39:39 pm
didn't they just sign Manning to some ridiculous extension?
I guess since you only have to pay Luck about $25M guaranteed it might be worth it.

I could see Peyton hanging it up too.
Your freaking spine is a terrible thing waste!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on September 12, 2011, 02:48:02 pm
Well the Colts will be on the hook for $28 mil next year with Manning.  If he makes the team, I think that is what I read.  So either they have to cut him before the start of next season or trade him.  Yeah good luck with that. 
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Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 02:50:34 pm
Hmmm...  well if Luck lives up to his hype that would mean the Colts go from one franchise QB to another with just one REALLY BAD year in-between.  I think most fans would take that tradeoff.

Unfortunately for the Colts, if they're planning a race to the bottom I think they'll have some stiff competition.  Seattle has no offense, and KC looked terrible yesterday against a not-good Bills team, on top of which the Chiefs lost their best defensive player (Eric Berry) for the year with an ACL.

All of which is to say, it may not be that easy for the Colts to be the worst team in the league this year   :-\
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on September 13, 2011, 07:14:03 am
How big will this get?

ESPN commentator Ron Jaworski, a (briefly) former Dolphins quarterback, blurted out a four-letter barnyard term during the latter stages of Monday's blowout and quickly apologized on the air for his gaffe.

With 7:32 left in the game, Jaworski was discussing Chad Henne's release when he said: "S - - -, you have to get rid of this ball just a split second quicker."

Jaworski, who was calling the game along with former NFL coach Jon Gruden and play-by-play man Mike Tirico, had this to say in his apology: "A little earlier in the show when Chad Henne was making a throw I said an inappropriate word. I want to apologize and I hope I didn't offend anyone."



Read more: http://www.sunherald.com/2011/09/13/3422454/ron-jaworski-apologizes-for-on.html#ixzz1XplggJmu
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 13, 2011, 08:36:37 am
I say, so what? You can hear "a-ss" in any PG movie or on primetime network television so I don't see how the S word is any different.

Jump Jaws cause he's annoying, but not because he said a marginally dirty word.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on September 13, 2011, 08:50:41 am
But you know "somebody" will be offended by it to get their 15 minutes of fame
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on September 13, 2011, 09:35:28 am
I'm more offended by the 75 beer commercials than a slip up of a word now and then.
I still watch though.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 13, 2011, 09:36:50 am
I thought I heard him say that last night so backed up the DVR and sure as **** he did :D

What a wierd set of games last night-

517 yards passing for Brady and 63 yard fieldgoal for the Polish cannon......

MAN ! I'm glad football is back.......
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 13, 2011, 04:51:52 pm

 Jackies OTHER team ...  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 13, 2011, 06:04:11 pm
I just watched the Packers/Saints 1st half and I dont see any flaws to exploit in the Packers game. They look unstoppable

I believe that may be true but the D seemed to have some problems.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 13, 2011, 06:11:34 pm

 For Indy ...

 FUUUUCK Kerry Collins ...

 get ... Todd Collins!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 13, 2011, 06:11:42 pm
The Saints defense sucks.  They have no clue how to stop the Packers offense.

The way to beat the Packers is to run all day on them.  On defense get pressure with your front four.  Pretty much what the Bears have built their team to do.

Hats off to your on that analysis, Peke.  Detrot and Chi have a good line on stopping GB: pressure up the midlle to nullify Rodgers' scrambling.  But, you need the players to be able to do that - like an Urlacher.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 13, 2011, 07:11:49 pm
Thanks packrat.

Smart teams build their teams to beat the best teams in their division.  The 3-4 is weak against the run if you can get big bodies on the smaller LBers.  It is tough sledding at first but as the game goes on if you stick with it the smaller guys wear down.

Rodgers makes quick decisions which is why he is awesome at beating the blitz.  The Saints got zero pressure except for when they blitzed.  They were getting to Rodgers early but he beat the blitz several times and they backed off. 

The Bears this year look like they are going to be able to get pressure with just the front four.  If they can do that and just sprinkle in blitzes here and there to throw offensives off the Bears D is going to very good.  Of course it is one game we will have a better feel after this and next weeks games.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 14, 2011, 07:10:32 am
Regardless how the Bears get pressure on Rodgers,it's gonna be a long day dealing with him. They need to get pressure AND disrupt the wideouts routes, make him hold it long enough TO get to him. Not a easy task to do...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 14, 2011, 08:21:34 am
The Bears this year look like they are going to be able to get pressure with just the front four. 

I really hope that's true but keep in mind that two of the Falcons starting O-Linemen had something like 4 NFL starts between them.

That Falcons OL we faced on Sunday isn't the best unit we're gonna see this year by a long shot.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on September 14, 2011, 12:59:57 pm
retired players are now suing the NFLPA, this is almost comical.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-nflretireeslawsuit

I don't understand how folks who work in a violent sport can go back and sue someone years later for something like this, wanting more benefits.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on September 14, 2011, 01:05:58 pm
Regardless how the Bears get pressure on Rodgers,it's gonna be a long day dealing with him. They need to get pressure AND disrupt the wideouts routes, make him hold it long enough TO get to him. Not a easy task to do...

If they handle the Saints like I expect them to Sunday I feel very confident on beating the Slackers.  The Bears D isn't the Saints D so the Slacks will have problems when they come to Soldier.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 14, 2011, 01:15:29 pm
Personally, I think the only way to slow down the Packers' offense is to physically beat up Rodgers (see the NFC championship game).   

If that's not possible the Bears need to keep Rodgers on the bench with a good dose of Forte and an efficient passing game that doesn't require Cutler to sit back there for a long time.

But were not playing the Packers this weekend are we ?

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 14, 2011, 01:23:09 pm
Personally, I think the only way to slow down the Packers' offense is to physically beat up Rodgers (see the NFC championship game).   

If that's not possible the Bears need to keep Rodgers on the bench with a good dose of Forte and an efficient passing game that doesn't require Cutler to sit back there for a long time.

In other words, pretty much the exact formula we used to beat the Falcons. At one point I think we held a 6 minute advantage over the Falcons in time of possession. And of course we kept Matty Ice under pressure right through the 4th quarter.

The turnovers were huge as well.  I think the Packers are one of those teams it is virtually impossible to beat unless you wind up at least +2 on the turnover margin against them.  They are going to get within at least FG range on a large percentage of their possessions so you've got to up your odds with takeaways.   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 14, 2011, 01:26:25 pm

When I said physically beat up Rodgers I wasn't thinking of what we did to Ryan last weekend. 

Much worse...much.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 14, 2011, 01:29:57 pm
When I said physically beat up Rodgers I wasn't thinking of what we did to Ryan last weekend. 

Much worse...much.

Concussion?   ;)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on September 14, 2011, 01:32:55 pm
to beat GB we have to get 7's and let them get 3's.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 14, 2011, 01:37:15 pm
Concussion?   ;)

Maybe.   A shoulder injury like last game or possibly a sprained knee...like what put Cutler out.

I'm not advocating purposely injuring him, but Rodgers in a game at less than 100% might be one of the very few ways to slow down that Packer D. 

He's that good.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on September 14, 2011, 01:40:44 pm
The Bears don't need to injure that guy to beat the Pack.  I guess I'm the only one here that has confidence in the home team.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on September 14, 2011, 01:54:49 pm
I for once today will have to agree with Phil, I think we can beat the Pack if we play a good game and are healthy.
We beat them once last year and should have beaten them one other time to keep them out of the playoffs.
I also think we have improved more than they have.

We'll have to bring our A game to beat them though.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on September 14, 2011, 01:58:03 pm
Amen my brother.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 14, 2011, 01:58:52 pm
If Martz has figured out a way to make his offense work against a 3-4 defense with big physical CBs, we've got a shot.

Otherwise, nope.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on September 14, 2011, 02:38:58 pm
we run the dang ball and keep Jay clean.
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Post by: yapper on September 14, 2011, 02:45:15 pm
The biggest problem I saw against the Packers D last year was that their big CBs were mugging our WRs and essentially shutting down our air game.  I'm curious to see what Martz has done to change that given we have essentially the same personnel minus Greg Olsen and plus Roy Williams. 
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Post by: dallasbear on September 14, 2011, 03:53:11 pm

I have confidence that the Bears could win each and every week this season.  But the reality is that the Packers are right now the defending SB champs and the best team in the NFL and Rodgers the MVP.

We saw some chinks in the Packer D last week against a very high powered offense, but none in the Green Bay offense. 

I'd rather not get into the matchups until we both have played game 2 - I'm not going to let the Atlanta game make me feel too over confident just yet.
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Post by: 46 on September 14, 2011, 04:00:34 pm
Yapper- Don't forget the Kellenator. "Fricking huge!". Plus I bet the refs don't swallow their whistles this time.  Rogers does need to get planted a couple of times.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 14, 2011, 04:09:15 pm
Yapper- Don't forget the Kellenator. "Fricking huge!".

Yeah...  I remember being so frustrated in the NFC-C game to see us not using our TEs in the offense AT ALL...  especially after Olsen and Kellen had just ruined the Seahawks the week before.

But, again, there's an example of the Martz offense succeeding against one scheme (the Seahawks 4-3) and failing against the 3-4 of the Packers.  That's why I'm definitely in "prove it" mode when it comes to our offense matching up against the Pack. 

Dom Capers owned Mike Martz last year...  I want to see Martz step up to the challenge this year.
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Post by: packrat on September 14, 2011, 07:48:35 pm
Both the Pariots and the Packers have added extra TEs.  I beleive each has 5, now.  The Pats used theirs very effectively last game.  I believe this is  going to become a trend around the league..  Good TEs can help the offense greatly in several areas. 
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 15, 2011, 06:41:57 am
Hernandez is very much in the mold of Olsen, and I think a little harder to bring down after the catch.  The other guy, is just a mammoth target that finds the soft zones and catches the ball.  The are both very good TE's.

For the love of God, I have watching Brady be able to stand flat footed, survey the field, turn the burgers, and fire a pass.  It's like he is playing catch in the backyard.  He has such a grasp of their offense and such a good offensive line, that is why they are so tough to beat.  You have to get pressure on him, be around his feet or he will shred you to ribbons.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 15, 2011, 08:36:26 am
The Pats have some OL issues of their own right now. Their starting C (Koppen?) went down with a foot and will be out for awhile.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 15, 2011, 09:53:29 pm

 WEEK ONE ... WE WON !
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Post by: Pekin on September 16, 2011, 02:18:54 am
I watched the Belichek thing on NFLN tonight.  Funny thing is he talks about how you have to throw in bad weather cause the D-line can't get any rush.  This is opposite of what most people think.  However he has proven it to be correct.  The Pats killed us at Soldier Field in bad weather with the passing game.

The guy just knows what needs to happen and gets it done.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 16, 2011, 02:21:15 am
I watched the Belichek thing on NFLN tonight.  Funny thing is he talks about how you have to throw in bad weather cause the D-line can't get any rush.  This is opposite of what most people think.  However he has proven it to be correct.  The Pats killed us at Soldier Field in bad weather with the passing game.

The guy just knows what needs to happen and gets it done.

 N.E. plays thru more shiiiity weather then we do.
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Post by: Pekin on September 16, 2011, 02:28:48 am
I don't know if they have more but they certainly handle it better.

I will never forget that game where Brady stood back there and threw pass after pass destroying our defense as the snow came down on Soldier Field.  If you are a cold weather team you damn well better know how to play in it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 16, 2011, 02:50:06 am
I don't know if they have more but they certainly handle it better.

I will never forget that game where Brady stood back there and threw pass after pass destroying our defense as the snow came down on Soldier Field.  If you are a cold weather team you damn well better know how to play in it.

 I would go so far as to venture that when it comes to COLD weather we have the edge on N.E.

 However ... when it comes to SNOW they have a proven edge on everybody.

 And have proven it over the years.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 16, 2011, 09:00:01 am
That New England game was definitely a lowlight of our season last year.

I was in the hospital that day, waiting for my first grandson to be born while watching the Bears get humiliated.  Talk about getting the good and the bad together... 
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Post by: 46 on September 16, 2011, 09:12:34 am
At least the child was introduced early on what to expect in big games from our beloved Bear.
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Post by: yapper on September 16, 2011, 11:51:10 am
Seahawk fans can't be real thrilled about how their big-name FA acquistion has worked out for them so far...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/16/sidney-rice-unlikely-to-play-sunday/

If that team ever wants a legit #1 WR, they're gonna just have to bite the bullet and draft one. Other than Big Mike Williams, the FA route hasn't been working for them at all.

If they don't get a lot better they should have pretty much their pick of any WR they want next April...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 17, 2011, 06:16:26 pm
As forecast:

Posted by Mike Florio on September 17, 2011, 5:53 PM EDT
 
Getty Images
Apparently, Panthers fans were so giddy about rookie quarterback Cam Newton’s performance in his debut that they forgot to vote for him in NFL.com’s Pepsi Rookie of the Week contest.
 
Packers receiver Randall Cobb won the award instead.  Cobb scored two touchdowns in the season opener at Lambeau Field — one on a 108-yard kickoff return, despite coach Mike McCarthy’s order not to bring it out, and the other on a pass reception that came after he ran the wrong route.
 
Though Cobb’s accomplishments were significant, Newton’s 422 passing yards, a record for a rookie debut, seem to have been more noteworthy.  But that’s one of the realities of a popular vote; players from the more popular teams tend to do better in the final tabulation.
 
Newton and Cobb will go head to head this weekend in Charlotte, when the Packers face the Panthers.
 
The other finalists for the award were Seahawks receiver Doug Baldwin, Redskins linebacker Ryan Kerrigan, and Cardinals cornerback Patrick Peterson.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 18, 2011, 10:51:32 pm

 NFC South does a pretty good comeback.

 Even Cam Newton was impressive in a losing effort.

 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 23, 2011, 01:50:54 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/23/ravens-announce-passing-of-orlando-brown/

This is the guy who got hit in the eye with that idiot ref's flag a few years ago.

He was only 40 years old. Wow.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 23, 2011, 10:44:14 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/23/ravens-announce-passing-of-orlando-brown/

This is the guy who got hit in the eye with that idiot ref's flag a few years ago.

He was only 40 years old. Wow.

 Sad  :-\
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: guest77 on September 25, 2011, 02:50:06 pm
Brady picked 4 times!  Any given Sunday indeed. Of course, he won't get the treatment Cutler would if he had done the same thing.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 25, 2011, 07:10:46 pm

 Vick with broken hand ... you could see this coming.

 Dream team?

 Enter : Vince Young
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 28, 2011, 10:14:09 am

 In this weeks NFL Power Poll : the good news is we are better then Clevland.

 BEARS # 19
 Browns # 20

 The bad news is : G.B. is #1 ... Deeeeeeeetroit is #3.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 28, 2011, 10:46:25 am
Seahawk fans can't be real thrilled about how their big-name FA acquistion has worked out for them so far...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/16/sidney-rice-unlikely-to-play-sunday/

If that team ever wants a legit #1 WR, they're gonna just have to bite the bullet and draft one. Other than Big Mike Williams, the FA route hasn't been working for them at all.

If they don't get a lot better they should have pretty much their pick of any WR they want next April...

Looks like Sidney Rice finally got a chance to play for the Seahawks last Sunday...over 100 yards receiving on 8 receptions.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 29, 2011, 08:18:05 am
Don't be surprised if we are picking up some more of Seattle's garbage this next offseason (Aaron Curry).

The Ruskell connection is still strong there.  I could easily see him and Angelo trading Briggs for Curry straight up.  A Pro Bowler in exchange for a Top 5 draft bust.  That would be about their speed.
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 29, 2011, 10:06:37 am
A Pro Bowler in exchange for a Top 5 draft bust.  That would be about their speed.

Sounds right on to me. Like giving up a 2nd round pick for a dead man
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on September 29, 2011, 10:39:36 am
Bears wouldn't do  that again - would they?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 29, 2011, 11:02:14 am
As long as the McCaskeys and Phillips are in charge I expect to see the same mistakes of the last 30+ years repeated ad nauseum.

Real change starts at the top. Everything else is just window dressing.
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 29, 2011, 11:29:04 am
Bears wouldn't do  that again - would they?

Take it to the bank.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 29, 2011, 06:52:57 pm

 BEARS 2012 draft picks :

 DE

 DE

 DE

 CB

 QB

 SAFETY

 OL

 I wish I could be making this shiiiit up.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 29, 2011, 07:39:15 pm
That's why Angelo has to go,JJ....has to.....incompetence ad nauseam....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 29, 2011, 08:38:07 pm
And Ruskellski too. He is being groomed to step right in and replace Angeblow
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 30, 2011, 08:16:21 am
Yup, Ruskell...  the guy who had a Top 5 draft pick and blew it on a total bust (Aaron Curry) whom the Seahawks are now trying to unload.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 01, 2011, 02:06:25 am

 Hey guys I really dont know what to make of it ... just going on past draft picks.

 On the other hand we ended up at 11-5.

 One game away from the SUPERBOWL.

 And thats the shiiiit that tugs at your heart ...

 we coulda been there.

 They are going to throw this back in our faces  ... OL improved ... last year.

 The problem is ... this is this year ...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 03, 2011, 12:34:50 pm
Great bargain for the Pack.
 
The Green Bay Packers and wide receiver Jordy Nelson agreed to a three-year, $13.35 million contract extension over the weekend, a source said Sunday


The deal includes $5 million in guarantees, the source said. There are incentives in this contract that could make it worth $15 million over three years, according to the source.

The 6-foot-3, 217-pound Nelson has emerged as one of Green Bay's top wideouts. In four games, he has 15 catches and a 19.2 yards-per-catch average.

The contract will pay Nelson an average of $4.8 million in each of the first two years, according to the source.

The source said Nelson's deal runs through the 2014 season.

John Clayton a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 03, 2011, 03:43:05 pm
we need to see one of these announcements for Matt Forte
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 03, 2011, 03:47:28 pm
The Packers seem to be doing everything right in the front office while the Bears continue to be a model of dysfunction and incompetence. Two organizations on opposite trajectories to be sure.

It's embarrassing and frankly, it's really starting to p**s me off.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on October 03, 2011, 05:30:02 pm
Yapp,exactly. Angelo needs to go and now!!!! And take his underling Ruskell with....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 03, 2011, 06:16:22 pm
Did Romo brush off Jerry "Jerk" Jones?
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bbm20 (http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bbm20)


Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on October 03, 2011, 07:06:54 pm
Who cares? I just wish somebody would take a brush to our GM and give him a beating
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on October 03, 2011, 09:16:34 pm
see where Hank Williams jr. got canned. What was that all about?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 03, 2011, 10:02:19 pm
He said that Obama and Boehner golfing was like Hitler and Netenyahu golfing or something like that.  Basicly he was saying they were complete opposites and there was no point.

What he said was stupid but way less stupid then the Bush/Hitler comparisons the left ran with for 8 years. 

 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 03, 2011, 11:17:22 pm

 T.B. beats Indy without Manning.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on October 04, 2011, 06:37:53 am
see where Hank Williams jr. got canned. What was that all about?

He rightfully compared Obama to Hitler.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on October 04, 2011, 08:14:16 am
I told Otto this a couple of weeks  ago when he went on a Bush rant so in the interest of fairness...let's take it to the politics thread
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 05, 2011, 07:24:46 pm

 Injurys stacking up in NFL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on October 08, 2011, 09:56:16 am
just saw where Al Davis died. chin up jj, you guys got 3 rings under him. Did not know he was an afl commish. watch that team take off on fire.  Bears did after Halas died. Saw the Bears @ the whitehouse. Damn I miss that team. Even Buddy was there. Damn what a waste.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 09, 2011, 01:17:16 pm
The miserable jackasses at NFLN have been hyping Favre's comments about the packers fot a week tryng to get some printworthy comments to fill the news gaps.

Except for a couple of guys from other teams and a few NFL commtators it has pretty much been a dead issue.

Rodgers completely ignored it and Jennings said it was OK with him.No other packer commented.

Last nght while watching NFLN I heard jamie Dukes state that he was tired of the continual complaining by the packers and called the a bunch of whiners.  What in hell was that loudmouthed  idiot talking about?  Does he live on another planet?   

I guess his comments are not too surprising conisdering how many times he is on an island alone with his opinions.  Just as annoying, though,  was to hear Tom Waddle, a guy whom I have respected, go along with ****-for-brains.  Waddle was a Bear and maybe this caused him to take the low road this time.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on October 09, 2011, 01:51:23 pm
Any more I'm of the opinon they morph into talking heads and say what's put in front of them.  Too polished IMO.  Produced and edited, dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. I've lost alot of respect for the people who played the game and then say what they are told to say. Yes, they are getting paid, but you would think they'd put up a fight when told to say something stupid.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 09, 2011, 02:10:09 pm
Rodgers never replied but Matthews did.

I remember reading about it at the time.  My thoughts were why respond at all?  It just gives Favre more attention and that is what he wants.  Ignore it and he goes away.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 09, 2011, 04:13:35 pm

 How would Favre look in a COLTS uniform?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 09, 2011, 06:50:09 pm
Tebow's performance and almost come back is going to make the seat for Orton get a little hotter.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 10, 2011, 07:01:35 am
I didn't catch why he was playing?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 10, 2011, 08:57:22 am
I didn't catch why he was playing?

Ummm...  because the Broncos are a dumpster fire and John Fox is grasping at straws?

They benched their #1 draft pick (Von Miller) yesterday too and he's about the only player on their D who's been doing anything this year.

Very little evidence of any coherent thinking or plan in Denver right now.  Unless of course the plan is to tank the season and draft Andrew Luck.  John Elway is the big kahuna in the front office out there...  Elway graduated from Stanford...  just sayin.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on October 10, 2011, 09:56:12 am
Their fans have been crying for Tebow
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 10, 2011, 10:11:26 am
The Broncos mgmt are such idiots...  they could have moved Orton before the season to Miami or someplace and at least have gotten a draft pick.  Now they're stuck with a backup who's costing them $9 million this year.

It will take Denver a decade to undo all the damage done by Josh McDaniels in his short time there. It's really incredible how fast a quality NFL team can be reduced to rubble if you put the wrong people in charge. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 10:26:49 am
we Bear fans should know.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on October 10, 2011, 10:39:10 am
Lol, how pathetically true
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on October 10, 2011, 10:59:55 am
It's not how fast the wrong people can destroy the Bears, it's how incredibly slow they are in getting rid of those people.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 10, 2011, 11:42:50 am
Fewest Int at Time of 100th Career Pass TD, NFL History
Quarterback Int Date of 100th TD
Aaron Rodgers 34 Sunday
Philip Rivers 43 Dec. 13, 2009
Dan Marino 44 Sept. 7, 1986
Source: Elias Sports Bureau
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 10, 2011, 11:54:37 am
Shields did a very good job holding down Hulio Hones.  Speed burns.

Good thing that James Jones had a great game, since Finly had a bad game. 

Jones could have had another TD if Rodgers hadn't made one of his rare bad throws.

Looks like Starks has taken over at #1 RB.

The Falcons played like this was their SB, starting off with a huge show of emotion.

Matty Ice showed his frustration in the fourth quarter quarter when you could see the look of defeat on his face.  Not so icy cool this game.



Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 11, 2011, 01:59:33 am

 
Where did the 1985 BEARS OL come from?

1983 : DRAFT

MARK BORTZ

TOM THAYER

JIMBO COVERT ... I want this to sink in for awhile ... thats ... 3

KEITH VAN HORNE was drafted #1 in 1981

JAY HILGENBERG was undrafted in 1981

Took 3 years to put this together ...

which most talking heads in the media will agree was one of the best OL's ever.

THATS ... what DAA BEARRSSE can do when they set their minds to it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on October 11, 2011, 09:37:23 am
JJ- Jim Finks and Jerry Vanisi put that team together. Finks quit because Halas hired Ditka behind his back, and Vanisi got canned by turd.  The whole front office is full of desease ridden maggots with the last name of Mcaskey.  There jobs? collecting paychecks, nothing else.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 11, 2011, 11:44:59 am
It starts and stops with Angelo and Philips.
We don't have enough talent at OL or WR.
We don't have enough talent at DB or DL.
Missing talent is on the GM.
WE don't have enough talent and are making mental errors and penalties.
Dropping passes and missing assignments and all these penalties are coaching.
The players are not focused.
That stupid Merriwether hit, the guy didn't even catch the ball, it was on the ground, play over and hit him anyway. He's an idiot and needs to go.

Conte or some other rookie might give up big plays but he gives up big plays and big penalties.
Cut Merriwether and Omiyale now.

Mental mistakes are on the coaches.
Bad coaching also falls on Angelo.
I know Lovie has a good record and all and has won a lot of games but I think they need to clean house completely and start over.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2011, 12:24:38 pm
I know Lovie has a good record and all and has won a lot of games but I think they need to clean house completely and start over.

Agreed. He has lost this team and that was very evident last night.

When a HC's trademark unit -- in our case, the defense -- becomes an embarrassment to the franchise it's time for the HC to go away and a new culture to be installed.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2011, 12:24:53 pm
Finks quit because he was ill.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on October 11, 2011, 12:44:18 pm
Whoever was responsible for that CF on 4th and one needs to go today as well.

WTF?  And I am tired of Cutler having to stand behind the huddle and flip his writs over and over and over trying to get the play...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on October 11, 2011, 12:57:32 pm
Whoever was responsible for that CF on 4th and one needs to go today as well.

WTF?  And I am tired of Cutler having to stand behind the huddle and flip his writs over and over and over trying to get the play...

Agreed.  The challenge, the not getting it, the dumb smirk on his face.  It wasnt even close, and it was all soooo Lovie.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 11, 2011, 05:34:12 pm
It is ridiculous that the calls come in so slow.  It does not give Cutler time to get to the line and do the motions so they can read the defense and make the line calls.  Plus he has to burn several time outs a game becuase they are going to get a delay of game.  It has been happening all year and needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on October 12, 2011, 11:55:32 am
The only signs of life on this team currently are Cutler,Forte,occasional run blocking by the line and....well,that about does it...Urlacher's been invisible as has Briggs and Tillnut too. The secondary has been such a non-factor that I honestly can't tell you who's playing back there or who our second DB is. They've made so few plays as to be almost invisible.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 12, 2011, 12:38:54 pm
Whoever takes over this sorry team is going to have to decide if the offense or the defense gets rebuilt first.

Both units are broken, badly, which is why I'm seeing a minimum 3-year rebuild and possibly much longer. One unit or the other is going to have to get prioritized in the hope that they can carry the team until we can bring up the other side of the ball as well.

If I were taking over this team I would prioritize the offense because in Cutler, Forte, Bennett and possibly Carimi you at least have a few promising young pieces to work with.  Whereas on the defense, all the best players are on the far side of 30 and it's questionable whether the people behind them even belong on an NFL field, much less being players you can rebuild around.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 12, 2011, 02:11:41 pm
I think this season is lost. Normally I wouldn't think so but the way GB and Det are playing I don't think we can catch them unless they have some major injuries.

I think our young OL is going to get better if they can all get healthy and back on the field. I think we have seen glimpses of what Webb, Carimi and Louis can be. Their problems seem to be mental more than getting blown up physically.
Williams and Garza can hold their own if they could all learn to play together.
We have young guys every where but C.
If they can play a few games together I think we'll see them get better.
Carimi's gotta get on the field though.
I'm thinking our biggest need on O is WR, getting Bennet back will help but we need what Roy is supposed to be.

On D, we need Safety help in a big way and yet more help on the DL. I'm not sure what happened to our DL but they have been pedestrian the past few weeks. It might also be time to invest in a CB.



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Post by: yapper on October 12, 2011, 02:37:15 pm
Somebody on a blog today was raising the question of whether any more than about 5 or 6 of the Bears' current starters (O and D) would even be on the roster of the top tier teams.

Based on what I've seen the last 4 games I don't think that question is that far fetched. 
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Post by: navigator on October 13, 2011, 07:59:44 am
let me see who might make it on some of the better teams, $$ aside just based on ability with no concern for their age.
On D:
for sure - Peppers, Urlacher, Briggs, Tillman
Possible - Harris, Izzy, Melton, Okoye, Moore,

On O
for sure - Cutler, Forte, Carimi,
possible - Davis, Spaeth, Bennett, Knox, Hester, Louis (on potential)
I put Hester and Knox in there not because of how well they do here but I expect some of the teams will think they can do more with them. I mean if you make Hester the slot guy instead of the #1 guy that would make a big diff.

that's about it.
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Post by: Sportster on October 13, 2011, 12:43:23 pm
Not sure I'd put Tillnut in the 'for sure' category. More of a 'possible'..... he really hasn't shown anything. I think he's had one forced fumble...
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Post by: Keysbear on October 13, 2011, 03:32:23 pm
a little premature to call Carimi a "for sure"
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Post by: otto105 on October 13, 2011, 03:40:43 pm
You can't possibly think cycling the entire roster would be the right move. At most you can move about 15 players per year.
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Post by: yapper on October 14, 2011, 09:11:05 am
This is kind of interesting. 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/14/offensive-line-complaints-are-trendy-in-new-jersey/

We all know the Bears have the worst OL in the league but it seems like a lot of other teams are having troubles with that unit as well.

Which brings up the question of why?  Are colleges just not turning out as many NFL-caliber OL anymore? Are OLs being exposed by the increased demands being placed on them by pass-happy offenses?   Is there a lack of good NFL OL coaches?  Are the league's D-Linemen just better than the league's O-Linemen on average?  Kind of curious and makes me feel a little better about our own team's struggles (but not by much).
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Post by: Pekin on October 14, 2011, 12:24:17 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/14/hgh-testing-to-begin-next-week/
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Post by: packrat on October 14, 2011, 06:20:37 pm
The Packers will wear these ugly throwbacks  on Sunday.  They really are unsightly but the players love them.  They say that uni is more comfortable than new ones.

The Green Bay Packers will be sporting the re-created 1929 Packers uniform for the game against the St. Louis Rams on Sunday, Oct. 16. The third jersey includes the retro navy blue jerseys featuring a gold circle with the player’s number, as well as brown helmets and tan pants. The apparel celebrates the year of Green Bay’s first world championship.
 
Packers coaching staff and team personnel also will be wearing the third jersey sideline apparel, which dates back to the 1920s, with many of the selections featuring “Acme Packers,” the team moniker from the 1921-22 seasons.
 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on October 17, 2011, 12:33:12 pm
Brandon Lloyd to the Rams for a 6th rounder...
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Post by: navigator on October 17, 2011, 01:31:17 pm
is Eddie Royal any good or did Cutler make him look better than he was?
I know it would be several weeks before a WR would really get it but could he help Cutler later this year and going forward?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 18, 2011, 05:41:00 am
Go get Brandon Marshall from the Dolphins...
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Post by: WshflThinking on October 18, 2011, 06:21:17 am
That would be a serious move. Marshall and Cutler back together? Sure sounds awesome to me. Surely better than RW
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 18, 2011, 07:57:28 am
We should have made  a play for Marshall when he was available.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 22, 2011, 06:47:28 pm
 First of all ... its not England ... it's Mexico.

 Largest audience for an NFL game ever was 112,000 ... in Mexico City.

 Mexico City to Miami is 1300 miles. Chicago to Miami is 1200 miles.

 Mexico City is on Central Standard Time.

 The population of the tri state area supports 2 New York City teams. 17,000,000.
 
 The population of the greater Mexico City area supports no teams. 25,000,000.

 Da Raiduhs (Al Davis) and Cowboys (Tex Schramm) have been broadcasting into Mexico since 1967.

 Theres an audience.  :D

 Think : Cash cow Goodell.

 Goodell get back down to earth.

 http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Roger-Goodell-possible-NFL-franchise-in-London-102211
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Post by: 46 on October 24, 2011, 10:12:01 am
Colts getting kicked around like an empty beercan.  Andrew Luck anyone? Then what happens to the guy who caused this mess? Manning? That neck is a tricky organ, you want him playing for your team? 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 24, 2011, 10:22:44 am
It seems pretty apparent the Colts are tanking the season to get Andrew Luck.

The Saints are a good team and Brees played a game for the ages last night...  but no NFL team loses by more than 50 points unless they're trying to.
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Post by: BearHit on October 24, 2011, 11:49:31 am
Texans free safety Danieal Manning suffered a potentially season-ending leg injury in the second quarter on Sunday against the Tennessee Titans according to Nick Scurfield of Houstontexans.com. He told SportsRadio 610 AM after the game that he had a fractured tibia.

Manning was injured while making a leaping interception in the second quarter. He was on crutches on the sideline in the second half, but he’s optimistic that he’ll be able to return at some point this season.

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Post by: yapper on October 24, 2011, 11:55:40 am
That sucks for Manning.  Things never quite worked out for him with the Bears but his physical capabilities were never in question. He was putting together a nice season with the Texans and looked to be exactly what they needed in that secondary. Hopefully he can play again yet this season and into the playoffs if the Texans make it there.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 24, 2011, 11:39:12 pm

 Alleged quote from Carson Palmer Raiduh's QB :

 "I didnt know the names of the guys in the huddle."  :D
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 26, 2011, 07:13:06 am
I wonder what is taking the player's union so long to start testing for HGH?  Just curious how long it takes to get out of your system.  This has been debated since about week 3, clearly some players need time to work this out of their system...
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Post by: BearHit on October 26, 2011, 08:06:40 am
Union protecting their interests
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 26, 2011, 08:58:43 am
I think it has to do with the method of testing.
I think the urine testing isn't real reliable and they don't really want to do blood testing.
I can see it now, you get some 350lb DT in there and he says "I'm scared of needles!"
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Post by: BearHit on October 26, 2011, 09:54:17 am
Inject them all with RF chips that constantly monitor the circulatory system
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 27, 2011, 04:04:18 am
Inject them all with RF chips that constantly monitor the circulatory system

 I've had more then a few injected into my brain and so far everything is

 WHOA SHIIIT LOOK OUT FOR THAT FALLING 747! VOLCANOS! ALIENS!! PACKERS FANS!!!

 normal.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 27, 2011, 04:40:21 am
 The strange situation of the N.E. Patriots ... Offense #1 ... Defense #32.

 How does the NFC North stack up?

 Pack ... #4 ... #27

 Lions ... #13 ... #10

 BEARS ... #17 ... #24

 Vikes ... #21 ... #19

 Top 4 teams in Defense ? ALL in the AFC North.
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Post by: packrat on October 27, 2011, 06:53:55 pm
NFL players pick the fastest among them

 
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This week’s edition of Sports Illustrated carries the results of a poll of 316 National Football League players who were asked to name the fastest man in the league.
 
Tennessee Titans running back Chris Johnson was named the fastest by 38% of the players. Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson was second on the all-blur team, with 23% of the vote, followed by Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Mike Wallace (12%), Chicago Bears wide receiver-kick returner Devin Hester (3%) and Oakland Raiders wide receiver Jacoby Ford (3%).
 
Johnson ran a 4.24 40-yard dash in 2008 at the NFL draft combine, the fastest time by anyone at the combine since 1999, when times were made official. In 2006, when the magazine last polled players about the fastest player in the league, Michael Vick finished first. Vick finished sixth in this year’s poll, the only quarterback to receiver more than one vote.
 
The fastest player on the Packers’ roster is cornerback Sam Shields, who ran a 4.30 in March 2010 at a pro day.
 

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Post by: packrat on October 28, 2011, 03:15:23 pm
Rank Network Show Date Viewers
1. CBS Two and a Half Men Sep. 19 28.7 million
2. Fox Dallas at New England Oct. 16 28.4 million
3. NBC New Orleans at Green Bay Sep. 8 27.1 million
4. Fox N.Y. Giants at Washington Sep. 11 25.8 million
5. NBC Dallas at N.Y. Jets Sep. 11 25.8 million
6. Fox Green Bay at Minnesota Oct. 23 24.3 million
7.
 Fox Green Bay at Chicago Sep. 25 24.0 million
8. NBC Philadelphia at Atlanta Sep. 18 23.4 million
9. Fox Detroit at Dallas Oct. 2 23.3 million
10. CBS Denver at Green Bay Oct. 2 23.0 million
11. CBS San Diego at New England Sep. 18 22.7 million
12. Fox N.Y. Jets at Patriots Oct. 9 22.6 million
13. Fox Chicago at New Orleans Sep. 18 22.5 million
14. NBC Green Bay at Atlanta Oct. 9 22.0 million
15. CBS Two and a Half Men Sep. 26 20.5 million
 

 
 
 
 

 

 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on October 30, 2011, 09:55:01 pm
Beagles absolutely dismantling the Cowturds. The Turds definately did not show up. Their tackling is half-hearted,their effort is half-hearted, their gameplan-totally inept. Watching this doesn't tell me they'll dominate the Bears next game. What I'm seeing is a game where the Turds stayed in Dallas mentally.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 31, 2011, 01:24:28 am

 Do we come off of a bye week like we did last year? 5 straight wins.

 That would be :

 @Philly
 
 Deeetroit

 DAGO

 @ Raiduhs

 K.C.
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Post by: packrat on October 31, 2011, 10:45:38 am
Jerry Jones has picked one stinko HC after another since the days of Jimmy Johnson.
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Post by: navigator on October 31, 2011, 11:07:11 am
I'm glad JJ picks such bad HC's. I love to root against them.
I used to pull against SF but I can't now because Singletary was their coach and Harbaugh is their coach now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 01, 2011, 12:16:37 am
I'm glad JJ picks such bad HC's. I love to root against them.
I used to pull against SF but I can't now because Singletary was their coach and Harbaugh is their coach now.


 Same here. Who would have ever thought theyd get this far?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 01, 2011, 11:10:44 am
Looks like the Phil and Pitt teams have righted the ship and will be tough the remainder of the season.

San Diego - same old same old - way underperforming.  I hope they stay that way until after GB plays them.

No doubt that Det is for real.
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Post by: yapper on November 01, 2011, 11:16:50 am
Article on PFT today where Jermichel Finley says he's fine with being franchised.

The dude's not only a great player, he's a smart cookie...  realizes he's got a chance to go to multiple Pro Bowls (and probably score a couple more SB rings) if he can stay healthy and works within Ted Thompson's plan.

Could never figure out why so many players bi-tch about being franchised. Top 5 money for your position is pretty damn good even if it's just for one year.
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Post by: navigator on November 01, 2011, 01:32:09 pm
Packrat, it comes down to do they want $8M guaranteed for one year or $14 guaranteed with a long term deal.
I can see them wanting to get an extension done, especially both of them are underpaid for their production.

I expect Forte and Finley will get similar numbers.
Forte knows that RB's wear out fast and he has a lot of touches already.
He's got to get a big deal done.
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Post by: yapper on November 01, 2011, 02:06:41 pm
Forte needs to be getting a lot more money than Finley, IMO.

Finley -- as good as he is -- is just a cog in the wheel as far as the Packers offense.  But Forte IS the Bears offense.  If we didn't have Forte we'd be lucky to have 2 wins right how.
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Post by: 46 on November 01, 2011, 03:56:25 pm
Pushed by the agent.  Always more money to be had according to the agent.
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Post by: packrat on November 01, 2011, 06:41:13 pm
All points above seem sensible and well-stated.

The TE position is typically underpaid, though, and a relatively good chance  for a team to franchise if you have the #1 or #2 TE available. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on November 02, 2011, 07:25:41 am
I would say Finley is one of the top 5 or so TE's in the league right now.
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Post by: Fearless Freep on November 02, 2011, 10:13:05 pm
Perhaps, but he needs a full season of stats before that label sticks.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 02, 2011, 10:15:52 pm
 Ahhhh the life of a kicker ...

 Dave Rayner was hired by Da Raiduhs to replace Janikowski who was gimped for the K.C. game.

 He kicked the ball off ... after that Da Raiduhs were shut out so he never kicked again.

 Raiduhs cut him the next day.

 The payoff?   $40,000.00 to kick a ball one time.

 We are ALL in the wrong line of work.  :D  ;D  :o
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 03, 2011, 01:55:44 pm
Zombo is due back to play versus SD.  Neal is nearly ready.  Maybe the defense can begin to resemble the defense of last season.
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Post by: packrat on November 03, 2011, 02:07:31 pm
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Post by: Keysbear on November 03, 2011, 04:09:23 pm
Ahhh...the SI jinx is coming...I can feel it. Which one of them will have the season ending injury?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 03, 2011, 06:48:17 pm
Don't even think that.
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Post by: Pekin on November 03, 2011, 06:59:00 pm
All of them?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on November 03, 2011, 07:30:14 pm
Don't even think that.

LOL...you opened that door packy
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on November 03, 2011, 10:28:50 pm
I just read a blog......something about Rogers slipping on a bannana peel.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 04, 2011, 10:55:01 am
Guilty, as charged.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on November 06, 2011, 03:48:31 pm
WOW!

Phillip Rivers sucks ass!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 06, 2011, 03:50:27 pm
My thoughts exactly,Peke. He's throwing int's left and right. That was just a horrible decision. His reciever didn't even look like he knew it was coming to him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on November 06, 2011, 04:31:48 pm
Two pick six?  Unreal.

Strange Antonio Garay and Tommie Harris have both sacked Rodgers this game. Both ex-Bears.

They need to keep pounding Rodgers.
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Post by: Pekin on November 06, 2011, 04:45:09 pm
Terrible call.

That was not a TD.  He was down at the 2.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 06, 2011, 04:46:30 pm
That wasn't even a catch. Any other team that gets called back,ball moving and hitting the turf. But because it's the Pack,they get it....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on November 06, 2011, 04:58:16 pm
I was also pissed how they called PI on the Chargers multiple times for **** the Packers DB's do all the time and never get called for it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on November 06, 2011, 06:45:29 pm
There's just no formula how to stop the Packers offense.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 06, 2011, 07:48:45 pm
Unless the Packers play better defense, as the did last season, there will be no SB this year.

Officiating was bad for both teams. 

lLooked like when the Pack went up by 21 points they began resting on their oars - again.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on November 06, 2011, 08:46:42 pm
The calls evened out eventually.  But it was pretty bad at first to build the Packers lead.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on November 07, 2011, 08:21:00 am
Wow, peking hining about reffing in Packers games...I don't understand...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 07, 2011, 10:07:20 am
I'm gonna go ahead right now and install Jim Harbaugh as the leading candidate for Coach of the Year.

I never particularly cared for the guy as either a player or a coach, but what he's done in San Fran (and with Alex Smith in particular) is remarkable.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on November 07, 2011, 10:18:35 am
I'm surprised Harbaugh isn't in over his head.

Just 4-5 years ago he was coach of University of San diego when my daughter went there, a very small school,  then 3-4 years at Stanford, not a top program, and he's ready for the NFL?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 07, 2011, 10:57:52 am
There's a lot of talent on that Niners team that for whatever reason under Singletary was just not getting it done.

Sometimes it's not the talent, it's the culture.  Harbaugh appears to be pushing all the right buttons and getting good performance out of largely the same cast of characters they had last year.

The fact that the NFC West is only a bit less suck-y than it was last year doesn't hurt either.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 01:20:44 pm
The Niners have all but wrapped that horrid Division up already,lol....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 07, 2011, 01:28:14 pm
Yeah I read somewhere that if everything breaks right for the Niners, they could have the division clinched by Thanksgiving...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 08, 2011, 09:48:05 am
Buying Titans/Buccaneers tickets today.  Haven't seen a game in person in at least 3 years, and wife is a Bucs fan.  Kind of laying the ground for the potential purchase of Bears/Seahawks in December in Chicago. 

But the real ulterior motive?  Bears/Titans next year in Nashville!  "wha?  They play in Nashville this year?  We should probably go then, eh?"
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 08, 2011, 01:04:35 pm
And so it ends...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/08/patriots-cut-albert-haynesworth/

Wonder if he'll get one more chance somewhere?  It would take a GM with balls of brass to do that at this point.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on November 08, 2011, 01:41:12 pm
Well, you know how the Bears love DT's.  Lord help us, but wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on November 08, 2011, 01:43:22 pm
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201111/college-student-makes-tremendous-twitter-trade-nfl-player

This is a fun story. Sounds like the kid had the trip of a lifetime.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 08, 2011, 01:46:11 pm
Well, you know how the Bears love DT's.  Lord help us, but wouldn't surprise me.

Couldn't help but think the same thing. OTOH I think if we were gonna make a run at him it would have been while he was still with the Redskins. Not to mention, that last Patriot castoff we picked up (Merriwether) hasn't worked out so well for us.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on November 08, 2011, 01:48:32 pm
somebody desperate enough will give him a look
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 08, 2011, 01:53:06 pm
Philly?

If my D had just gotten gashed for 5.5 ypc on national TV I might be interested in someone who could take up space in the middle.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 08, 2011, 04:16:09 pm
More about Haynesworth.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/08/haynesworth-gave-up-against-giants/

So basically in 3 years he went from being a future HOF'er to a DL version of JaMarcus Russell.

Wow. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 08, 2011, 06:46:44 pm
The Bears' O-line just keeps getting better.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 09, 2011, 06:32:39 am
Interesting one liner in Pompei's article today.  In the evaluation of the safety play, he said Wright was erratic in his play apart from the interception.  He further stated that when Merriwather was inserted into the lineup, he played much more under control.  I figured Lovie's benching would get the message through, it will be interesting to see how this unfolds through the second half of the season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on November 09, 2011, 07:37:00 am
it will be interesting to see how this unfolds through the second half of the season

Yes it will. I have not been impressed with Merriweather. Its plain to see why he got the boot in Foxboro. If his play doesnt fit the scheme here I could see him released after the season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 09, 2011, 08:00:40 am
Major Wright, to me, is Danieal Manning with less size and talent.

A good play every now and then, a really bad play too often, and pretty much invisible the rest of the time.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 09, 2011, 08:04:46 am
Major Wright is and has been a major non-factor in the backfield. Just another in a long line of failures at safety. The one we DID hit on in Brownie couldn't stay healthy,which really sucked....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 09, 2011, 10:49:12 am
Posted by Mike Florio on November 8, 2011, 10:58 PM EST
 
A poll of players has revealed that Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh is the dirtiest player in the NFL.  A poll of fans has bestowed a slightly less desirable honor on Eagles quarterback Mike Vick.
 
Per Tom Van Riper of Forbes.com, a new poll from Nielsen and E-Poll Market Research has found that Vick is the most disliked NFL player.  Specifically, 60 percent of the respondents identified Vick as a player they “dislike,” “dislike somewhat,” or “dislike a lot.”
 
Jets receiver Plaxico Burress finished second, with 56 percent.  Third on the list was Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, at 49 percent.  In fourth place, former Pats defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, with 46 percent.
 
All four players have had trouble with the law, which surely has done nothing to enhance their standing.
 
Bears quarterback Jay Cutler (38 percent), Patriots receiver Chad Ochocinco (35 percent), Eagles quarterback Vince Young (32 percent), Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer (31 percent), Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo (29 percent), and Panthers tight end Jeremy Shockey (29 percent) also made the list.
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Post by: packrat on November 09, 2011, 10:51:56 am
It appears that the problem facing the Packers' pass defense is mainly the loss of Pro-bowler Safety Nick Collins to IR.  He was the traffic cop for the DBs.
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Post by: yapper on November 09, 2011, 03:31:12 pm
Fat Albert gets one more chance...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/09/bucs-claim-albert-haynesworth-off-waivers/

Not really sure what Raheem Morris is thinking.  They already have one problem child to deal with in Talib.

I predict Big Al is off their roster before Christmas.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 10, 2011, 09:49:50 pm
 No matter who shows up to play on DAA BEARRSSE we owe the Lions ...

 god do we ever owe the Lions.  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(
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Post by: 46 on November 11, 2011, 08:31:53 am
Make'em pay baby!!! I think I heard that in a Jackson Browne song.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 13, 2011, 12:36:15 am

 No FUUUUKING way would I ever have picked my beloved Raiduhs to go to Dago and beat them.

  Fuuukin Palmer came on alot faster then I thought to give him mention to.

 I admit it ... I got punked.
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Post by: Bears4Ever on November 13, 2011, 09:39:24 am
It helps that the Charger's Oline is channeling the Bears 2010 season Oline......

Diego is still in the hunt, but in trouble for sure....

I'm a cynic in general but maybe Al passing away has given a little Karma back to the Silver and Black ?

If they could just cut down on the penalties they could do wonders in that Division at the moment.....
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Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 12:11:21 pm
I suppose we should be rooting for the Saints to beat the Falcons today.  Since we lost to the Saints it is best if they win the division.
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Post by: yapper on November 13, 2011, 01:51:30 pm
Correct...  we hold the tiebreaker over the Falcons but not so with the Saints.

The first half of that game was really fun to watch, IMO. Proving a game doesn't have to have a lot of scoring to be a good game.
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Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 11:34:49 am
Wheels are coming off the cart big-time in Philly now...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/14/vick-has-broken-ribs-rodgers-cromartie-has-high-ankle-sprain/

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Post by: dallasbear on November 14, 2011, 11:40:34 am

Vick has broken ribs?

It was just a matter of time with the way he gets exposed in that offense...
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Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 11:45:20 am
Yesterday turned out about as good as a Bears fan could hope for, with us beating the Lions and the Falcons and Bucs both losing.

At this point you start hoping for the division leaders (except the Packers of course) to keep growing their leads by beating the 2nd and 3rd place teams in their respective divisions.  If the Lions hit the skids then our attention turns to teams like the Cowboys and Falcons, both of whom have 5-4 records to the Bears' 6-3 but neither of whom feel terribly legit.

With the upcoming schedule the Bears are in a nice spot but they cannot get overconfident, and the new round of shuffling that will be required on the OL is a definite cause for concern as that unit took a couple steps backward yesterday.  I still am dreading a letdown loss to one of the AFC West teams but hopefully I'm proven wrong.

 

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Post by: navigator on November 14, 2011, 12:41:28 pm
with Williams out, do you plug Carimi in at LG to only move one guy or do you put Carimi back at RT and Louis at LG or Carimi at RT, Louis at RG and Spencer at LG?

Assuming Carimi is healthy.

I'd like to see a healthy Louis and Carimi holding down the right side for the next 10 years or so but I'm not sure you move that many guys around at one time.
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Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 12:52:36 pm
I don't think Carimi has played a down of OG in his life.  That would be a bad idea.

If/when he comes back 100% and assuming Chris Williams is IR'd, I think the least disruptive move would be to move Louis to LG and keep Spencer at RG.  Especially with Spencer having a broken hand, it may be asking a lot for him to switch sides after several games where he's been doing pretty well.

If you really want to keep Louis on the right side of the line, then you move Spencer to LG which would give you the Louis and Carimi pairing that a lot of us want to see... but at that point you're uprooting 3 positions on the OL line instead of just two like you would be if you just put Louis at LG. 

Or you move Louis inside to RG, send Spencer back to the bench to heal up, and hope Edwin Williams can pick it up at LG.  From what I saw yesterday though he's not even close to starter caliber so unless he can get up to speed quickly that's a risky proposition.
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Post by: otto105 on November 14, 2011, 01:40:25 pm
After watching last nights game one thing is clear. The Jets are overrated and Mark Sanchez is not improving as a QB anymore. NE pass Defense is porious and Sanchez misses wide open WRs with stunning regularity.

Brutal.
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Post by: dallasbear on November 14, 2011, 02:03:54 pm

Or do you re-sign Kreutz...put Garza back at RG...Louis at LG...

Just kidding - I think the Saints would want compensation and I don't think Angelo would welcome him back.

But the Bears have to sign somebody to the 53 man roster.   At this point they only have the 3 guys from their PS to choose from.  Right now Omiyale is the ONLY healthy backup but could play all the guard and tackle spots.
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Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 02:16:32 pm
It's time to bring up Levi Horn from the PS. He looked good in preseason and I believe he has experience at both G and T.

He's more deserving to dress on gameday than OMG at this point, IMO.
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Post by: 46 on November 14, 2011, 04:10:20 pm
yeah- I think we've all seen what good ol' #68 can do.  For the other team.  Give it to Horn.  Saw where Rick got chopped.  Too small. He sure did try like hell though.
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Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 04:16:23 pm
At least Nick Reed has some good tape out there now.  I wouldn't be surprised if he lands somewhere else...  a 3-4 team might give him a shot at OLB. 
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Post by: Pekin on November 14, 2011, 04:28:03 pm
He was all over the place at the beginning of the year then nothing.  He may have the same doctor as Clay Matthews.

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Post by: yapper on November 15, 2011, 04:20:38 pm
Here's a coach that gets it:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/15/john-fox-on-broncos-offense-we-cant-do-that-other-crap/

You mold the system to the players, not vice versa.

If Martz had had the common sense this guy had at the beginning of last season, who knows how much farther ahead the Bears would be by now.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 15, 2011, 08:02:50 pm
I am sorry, I don't agree.  Having watched Tebow for several years in Florida, Fox has begrudgingly moved in molding the offense around him.  I am not sold that Tebow will be a strong NFL QB, but he has a lot of the intangibles that you want in a leader.  Fox only played him after it was apparent that Orton could not get out of the way of his shadow to avoid a sack.

The better system molded QB is Cam Newton.  Rivera has absolutley said, here is what he does well and lets build around it.  Tebow has not had that luxury.

That said, Martz was a stubborn and remains a stubborn cuss.  He will still run his play or plays.  He has taken too long to build an offense that will win, not his offense, a winning offense.  I agree with whoever posted, it would be a greater credit to his legacy if he were to win with a completely different offense than the greatest show on turf. 

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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 16, 2011, 06:42:19 pm

 Is San Diego a trap game ? It has all the markings coming off of a win against Detroit.

 Overconfident and underperforming. Lovie better keep the team focused.
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Post by: yapper on November 17, 2011, 08:22:55 am
I've been feeling all along that one of these AFC West teams is gonna trip us up.

It could be the Chargers, though based on player matchups I think the road game against the Raiders is the bigger trap set-up. It's in the Black Hole, the Sunday after Thanksgiving and if they are healthy and Palmer continues getting in sync with that offense they are going to present a challenge.

OTOH if this Bears team can run the table up till the Packers game, then even I will give Lovie & Co. their props.
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Post by: yapper on November 17, 2011, 10:15:34 am
Well I guess it could always be worse.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/17/james-carpenter-tears-acl-in-practice/

Seahawks have lost TWO OL starters for the season in the span of a week. Oh BTW they're both rookies and were the Seahawks' top 2 draft picks this year.  Ouch.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 17, 2011, 07:18:09 pm
Yapps - So a 9 game winning streak is what will bring props?  The bar is very high my friend...
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Post by: Pekin on November 17, 2011, 10:34:34 pm
Alright I am a believer in Tim Tebow.  The guy just wins.

He can't throw the ball worth a **** but he can run.  He has the entire team believing they can win.  Everyone on the team plays harder.

If that guy could learn to throw accurately he would be unreal. 
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Post by: navigator on November 18, 2011, 07:15:08 am
it is unreal how inaccurate he is and how slow his release is.
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Post by: Keysbear on November 18, 2011, 08:18:36 am
He reminds me of Joe Kapp. Ball looked like a wounded duck in the air but he could scramble and run and managed to get his team to the Super Bowl.
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Post by: yapper on November 18, 2011, 08:32:00 am
I hope our D is ready to strap it on when we play the Broncos cause Tebow can bring it.

OTOH if we just consider him a king-sized Mike Vick and can defend him accordingly, it's game over.  He's the worst thrower I've ever seen and that includes 3 decades of Bears QBs.
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Post by: navigator on November 18, 2011, 09:12:13 am
I didn't remember him looking so bad at FLA.
They should have used those picks on OL and built around Orton.
Their D seemed pretty good last night.
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Post by: dallasbear on November 18, 2011, 09:27:12 am

Much of last night's credit for the win has to go the Bronco's defense.  Tebow and the offense put up 10 points.  But I do give him credit for engineering that last drive.
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Post by: yapper on November 18, 2011, 09:38:24 am
The Broncos D has improved tremendously.  Lots of credit for that goes to their rookie OLB Von Miller who is a likely Pro Bowler and shoe-in for Defensive ROY.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 19, 2011, 12:37:17 am

 We can beat the Packers at Lambeow.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 19, 2011, 07:28:29 am
If we can stay healthy at the key positions, I agree.  Our defense plays them well, it will be up to Martz not to "Martz it up" and do what we do.
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Post by: WshflThinking on November 19, 2011, 07:56:54 am
If we cant beat the Pack in Soldier then we arent beating them in Lamblow
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Post by: dallasbear on November 19, 2011, 09:14:05 am

Defense will have to play better no doubt.  The first meeting we had Merritweather and Steltz at safety, Bears have done pretty well with the Conte/Wright combo lately.  Still have to generate more pressure and do better at stopping the run.

Offensively, we ran Forte 9 times for 2 yards.  That's not going to happen again.

If any team can beat the Packers in Lambeau this year, its the Bears.  In the past when we've won there we've had a big play, a punt return or a pick or kick block that made the difference -the games are usually close.
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Post by: packrat on November 19, 2011, 06:54:08 pm
If the Pack plays like they did against Minn they will probably win.  if they play defense like they did before that I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bears win.  Also, could make a difference if Neal is healthy.
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Post by: WshflThinking on November 21, 2011, 07:24:09 pm
I didnt expect the Bears to win with Cuttler in Lamblow, but I wouldnt give Hanie 1 in a million of a chance to beat the Pack in Lamblow
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Post by: Pekin on November 21, 2011, 08:20:52 pm
I think the Bears still make the playoffs but they will lose against Green Bay with Hanie.

If Hanie can keep the INT's to a minimum the Bears will be just fine.
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Post by: Fearless Freep on November 21, 2011, 08:33:56 pm
Great stuff about NFL AF veterans - scroll down to My Sunday Best: Veterans (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-1827.html)


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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 21, 2011, 11:09:36 pm

 Theres no telling who can fill in for anybody.

 We all knew that Rodgers could never fill Favres shoes.

 We knew that.
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Post by: yapper on November 22, 2011, 01:19:18 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/22/jim-harbaugh-says-49ers-got-short-end-of-the-straw-for-thursday/

Good grief. Harbaugh whining about a short week, Hue Jackson whining about refs, Raheem Morris blaming the lockout for his team's tank job.  And on and on.

Don't these HCs know how to do anything but whine anymore?  Man up and play the hand you're dealt already. 

Gotta give Lovie his props for not playing that game, anyway. 
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Post by: packrat on November 22, 2011, 03:33:32 pm
The Ryan brothers have the biggest mouths in the league'  It's getting annoying to hear them shooting off their bazoos every day.  And the lazy repoters spend too much of their time puting  the crap on TV.  Enough already!
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 23, 2011, 12:29:53 am
The Ryan brothers have the biggest mouths in the league'  It's getting annoying to hear them shooting off their bazoos every day.  And the lazy repoters spend too much of their time puting  the crap on TV.  Enough already!

 But Packy,

 Cowboys and Jets are AMERICAS TEAMS.  :D
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Post by: packrat on November 23, 2011, 07:15:52 pm
Yeah, yeah, yeah.  I know.  Those reporters seem to think so.  Some of them aren't too bright, either.
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Post by: packrat on November 23, 2011, 07:24:12 pm
The similarities between Vince Lombardi's 1962 Packer team that was slaughtered by Detroit are eerie.  Same 10-0 Record same lousy record against Detroit in the Turkey Day games.

I can still visions etched into my brain of Starr being splattered on nearly every play by Karas.  It was 28-0 at half-time and ended, mercifully, at 28-14 before the Packers team was dead.  I hate that game in Detroit.

Detroit has exactly thekind of  team that is designed to beat the Packers team.  ;-(
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Post by: Pekin on November 23, 2011, 07:31:06 pm
I hope the Lions play as dirty as they did against the Bears.

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Post by: dallasbear on November 23, 2011, 08:59:45 pm

This is one of those rare games where my head tells me that I have to root for the Packers.  But then again I sure would love to see the Packers get their first loss.

I think I'll just stay outside deep frying my turkey and skip the game...
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Post by: Pekin on November 23, 2011, 09:40:05 pm
I will watch every minute of it and love every second.

Whichever team loses it is all good. 
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Post by: WshflThinking on November 23, 2011, 09:51:35 pm
Ummmm, OK, I guess. Too bad they both cant lose
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 24, 2011, 07:07:37 am
This is the time of year you start pulling for teams to lose.  Lions, Cowboys, 49ers losing helps us.  We aren't catching Green bay, we can only hope that some of the teams we are contending with start to take some hits.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 24, 2011, 07:08:18 am
But Lions, feel free to take a little steam out of the Packers on your way down to a moral victory
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Post by: boogie on November 24, 2011, 07:49:54 am
How about if the game ends in a tie?  ;)
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Post by: navigator on November 24, 2011, 08:36:12 am
how does SF losing help us?
We want them to win their division.
We want all the leaders to win and us to have a better record than all the second place teams.
We're pulling against the lions, giants(or cowboys since they are tied) and falcons.
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Post by: Pekin on November 24, 2011, 11:09:04 am
If either team loses their QB today the Bears win in the long run.  Cause that is the only way the Bears catch the Packers.

Personally I think the Bears are going to the playoffs this year because they are going to win enough games no matter what other teams do.  Hanie is good enough as long as he doesn't become a turn over machine.
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Post by: otto105 on November 24, 2011, 04:53:34 pm
Hanie is going to suck. Everyone not drinking bear Kool-Aid knows this.
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Post by: navigator on November 24, 2011, 06:36:15 pm
Otto, if the braintrust in Chicago would have started Hanie I don't think the Packers would have won the superbowl.
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Post by: packrat on November 24, 2011, 07:48:29 pm
I hope the Lions play as dirty as they did against the Bears.



They did.  Chck out Suh's ejection.
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Post by: packrat on November 24, 2011, 08:05:52 pm
I wonder what Suh learned from his meeting with the Commissoner.

DETROIT — Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes you get kicked out for acting like an idiot.

The Lions lost a big game and a piece of their reputation, and they deserved to lose both. Bad, angry and stupid is no way to go through Thanksgiving, son.


The Packers have beaten everybody they played since January, so losing to them — even 27-15 at home — is not so terrible. But this wasn't just a loss on Thursday. It was a nuclear meltdown.


The Lions blew several chances in the first half. They drew so many penalties that I wasn't sure if it was Thanksgiving or Flag Day. Aaron Berry let Greg Jennings run around him, literally, on a screen pass. Nate Burleson dropped a pass that should have set up a field-goal attempt. He also dropped a first-down pass. Jason Hanson pulled a 47-yard field goal wide left.


Matthew Stafford, who is supposed to be a franchise quarterback, threw three interceptions and nearly threw a fourth.


And the worst performance of the day came from their best player. Somebody, please tell me: Is Ndamukong Suh trying to win the Super Bowl or the next Ultimate Fighting Championship?


Suh was ejected for repeatedly jamming Evan Dietrich-Smith's head into the ground after a play, then stomping on him. It was not just dirty. It was ridiculously stupid. The score was 7-0. In a huge, close game against the best team in the league, Suh guaranteed he would get kicked out.


This was the strongest sign yet that Suh just doesn't get it. He is an incredible player: Hall of Fame talent combined with world-class relentlessness. But he needs to borrow somebody else's head.


NOT LITERALLY, NDAMUKONG. PUT THAT HEAD BACK. NOW.


Suh said afterward he was trying to "remove myself from the situation." By "situation," I figured he meant "the game." But he meant that he was being held down by Dietrich-Smith, and "my intentions were not to kick anybody, as I did not."


It was a good defense, except for a technicality: it was complete nonsense. Watch the video. The head-jamming and stomp were both blatant. Suh said "I did push his helmet down multiple times, because he's holding on to me and he's grabbing." Sorry, but that is not an acceptable reaction to being held down. The whole league knows it. Suh also said he was "being pushed" by other Packers, but that isn't on the video either. His explanation was straight out of fantasyland.
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Post by: packrat on November 24, 2011, 08:20:34 pm
By Bob Wolfley of the Journal Sentinel


Nov. 24, 2011 5:44 p.m.

Fox Sports game broadcasters Joe Buck and Troy Aikman were harder on Detroit defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh for getting ejected in the third quarter of the Packers-Lions game than the Fox studio analysts were after the telecast.
 
"The NFL Today" studio analysts on CBS were the hardest of all on Suh, a second-year player.
 
Suh was ejected in the third quarter for giving Packers center-guard Evan Dietrich-Smith the business – pushing his helmet in the Ford Field turf – and then stomping on his arm before walking away.
 
"What a dumb penalty, a killer penalty for the Lions," Buck said when the laundry flew for Suh’s unsportsmanlike conduct.
 
"Really there is no defense you can give Ndamukong Suh," Aikman said after the incident was replayed for the first time. "It was not a very smart play, a dumb play, and really he could be facing a suspension."
 
Buck mentioned the $42,000 Suh has been fined for three infractions coming into the game. Buck drew the parallel with the kick Tennessee’s Albert Haynesworth gave Dallas center Andre Gurode in the third quarter of a game on Oct. 1, 2006.
 
Haynesworth’s kick was "a little more egregious," Buck observed, but noted Suh has a history of this kind of behavior and has met with Commissioner Roger Goodell about it this season.
 
Aikman offered another take on Suh’s behavior in the second replay of the infraction.
 
"Evan Dietrich-Smith he actually does a great job – that’s an excellent block on his part," Aikman said. Ndamukong Suh doesn’t like it. He jams his helmet into the turf, to start with, about three times. Then at the end of this is when he makes the kick. There is no place for that in football. This Detroit team came into this game wanting to show they weren’t going to be bullied around by the big boys on the block. They have really shown a lack of maturity in a lot of areas in this game."
 
Fox studio analysts Michael Strahan and Howie Long, both former defensive ends, addressed the Suh episode with Dietrich-Smith.
 
"Watching the Detroit Lions, a young team," Strahan said. "This is a team that would have made a statement against an undefeated team at home, and they lose their composure. The biggest showing of that was Ndamukong Suh, losing (his) composure during the game. I know it’s hard. A lot of things go on out there. People have no idea at home. When he’s getting down like that and the guy’s on his back, you are frustrated, you are mad. They are driving.
 
"You have to learn to take it out in between the plays," Strahan said. "You know what your punishment is going to be? Your punishment is going to be, you are going to have to block me the rest of day. When you watch the film on Monday with your team, you are going to be embarrassed, because they are going to see me dominate you. That’s what he needs to do instead of kicking guys."
 
Long apparently had no problem with Suh pressing Dietrich-Smith's helmet to the turf, but Long did not elaborate.
 
"I was with him (Suh) right until the kick," Long said.
 
After the game Suh said he lost his balance getting off Dietrich-Smith as a way to explain why he stomped on his arm.
 
"I do believe an intervention is needed here," said Boomer Esiason of CBS during halftime of the Dolphins-Cowboys telecast. "Because this young man once again (shows) a lack of respect for a fellow football player. And his actions are deplorable."
 
Shannon Sharpe explained the pattern Suh has shown with this kind of behavior.
 
"This is not acceptable," Sharpe said about Suh’s incident with Dietrich-Smith. "For him to say I was losing my balance and in order for me to gain my balance, I had to stomp on the guy’s arm. Maybe I could believe him if there was not a history of this kind of behavior from him. But in this situation he is misspeaking the truth. At the bare minimum (his suspension) should be two games. Albert Haynesworth didn’t have this history. He got five (games) for stomping on a guy."
 
Bill Cowher said Detroit coach Jim Schwartz needs to act, regardless of what the league decides to do about Suh.
 
"He is in denial," Cowher said about Suh. "He doesn’t get it. The bottom line for Jim Schwartz – I don’t care what the league does – you either condone it or you condemn it. Jim Schwartz needs to take this under control and do something and not let this guy play. He is a poor reflection of the Detroit Lions. He shouldn’t be playing."
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 25, 2011, 06:48:50 am
Couldn't agree more with Cowher. 
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Post by: WshflThinking on November 25, 2011, 07:56:47 am
With Schwantz patting Suh on the butt whats the liklihood of him sitting Suh? Zero! I think the league needs to suspend Schwantz too, maybe he will get the message
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Post by: chifaninva on November 25, 2011, 08:58:08 am
It all starts at the top
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on November 25, 2011, 10:03:30 am
Would have been nice to see Schwartz get in his face - and then Suh tossing him into the stands..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 25, 2011, 06:13:16 pm
...Mike Pereira, the former vice president of officiating for the NFL who now works for Fox as a rules analyst, said Thursday he expects Suh to be suspended multiple games.

"Stomping on a guy is way over the line. He's not a dirty player, he's a filthy player," Pereira tweeted...
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Post by: packrat on November 26, 2011, 07:07:21 pm
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 25, 2011, 3:43 PM EST
 
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Criticism of Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh is coming from all corners, including a college teammate of Suh’s who says it’s time for a suspension.
 
Jets guard Matt Slauson, who played with Suh at Nebraska, told Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post that the NFL should suspend Suh because fines haven’t curtailed his on-field misbehavior and, Slauson says, “he’s out of control.”
 
“Somebody needs to get him under control, because he’s trying to hurt people,” Slauson said. “It’s one thing to be an incredibly physical player and a tenacious player, but it’s another thing to set out to end that guy’s career.”
 
Suh and Slauson lined up against each other in practice, and Nebraska practices frequently featured problems related to Suh’s temper getting the best of him, Slauson told Hubbuch.
 
Although Suh was one of the best defensive tackles in college football history — being named Associated Press College Football Player of the Year and winning the Bronko Nagurski Trophy, Chuck Bednarik Award, Lombardi Award and Outland Trophy in addition to being a finalist for the Heisman Trophy — Slauson says his teammates didn’t like him. And he says people at Nebraska like Suh even less now that he’s making the football program look bad with his tactics in the NFL, including stepping on an opponent on Thanksgiving, resulting in an ejection.
 
This isn’t the first time Slauson has indicated he didn’t particularly enjoy being Suh’s teammate. Asked about the then-rookie for the Lions a year ago, Slauson said, “I wouldn’t say me and Suh were best friends. There were times we got in fights during spring ball, during camp. Emotions go, you get tired and Suh just happened to be the guy I was going against.”
 
It seems that pretty much everyone is fed up with Suh right now. The next question is whether Roger Goodell is so fed up that Suh is suspended.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 26, 2011, 08:18:41 pm

 Suh is inteligent but emotional.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 27, 2011, 12:13:06 am
Suh is a headhunter. When he gets real nasty,he goes for the head. Time and again he's shown trying to rip guys helmets off WITH their heads inside.....time to sit him and let him think about what he's doing before he does seriously hurt someone.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on November 27, 2011, 05:25:37 am
I agree Sporty, sit him
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 27, 2011, 06:21:44 am
I think Goddell has opened himself up to a lot of criticism if he doesn't handle this firmly, fairly, and properly.  Meeting with Suh, and then turning his head when Cutler's came off started the rumblings.  In my opinion, it wasn't the worst thing I had seen, but given his history he shouldn't be given any bogies.  When Goddell did nothing, it appeared the meeting the two had, was beneficial to Suh. 

Now that Suh has imploded, it will be interesting to see what the punishment is.  I think a minimum of 2 games is in order, as many as 4.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on November 27, 2011, 01:30:12 pm
What if like the Williams Bros. he protests the suspension?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on November 27, 2011, 02:10:22 pm
He can appeal but they will still suspend him.

The Williams went to court and were only able to do that due to a goofy MN state law and a liberal judge.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 28, 2011, 10:58:53 am
The best way to stop Suh's behavior is for someone to take out his knees.  Like, for the rest of the season.  Or longer.

A well executed high-low like Melton received a few weeks ago would do the trick, I think.

But since no NFL OL coach or player seems to have the sack to do that, it will be left to the league office.  Somehow I don't think a 2-game suspension is going to get the message across though. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on November 28, 2011, 11:22:32 am
Not when his coach is patting him on the back after that behavior.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 28, 2011, 11:43:19 am
Suh needs to get the Tommie Harris treatment.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 28, 2011, 02:22:12 pm
LOL

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/28/fort-wayne-tv-station-pulls-plug-on-colts/

What the Colts are doing (and not doing) to win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes is despicable and a mockery of what's left of the NFL's integrity.  I applaud this TV station's decision wholeheartedly...  and I'd say that even if the Bears weren't my team.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on November 29, 2011, 09:02:10 am
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7293624/jacksonville-jaguars-fire-longtime-coach-jack-del-rio-sources-say

Del Rio canned
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on November 29, 2011, 10:54:37 am
Suh sits for two games.  Not enough.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 29, 2011, 11:00:13 am
Assuming Frazier survives this season in Minnesota, Del Rio will be the Vikings new DC in 2012.  Their D needs a need new direction and major talent upgrades in the back 7... and with Del Rio being a former Viking it seems like a natural fit.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 30, 2011, 12:09:42 pm
Former Raiders DT Chester McGlockton Dies

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/30/former-raider-chester-mcglockton-dies-at-42/

42?  Seriously?  Just...  wow.  Heart attack.  Dude was a beast with the Raiders.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 30, 2011, 06:03:13 pm

 Damn shame about McGlockton R.I.P.

 
Former Raiders DT Chester McGlockton Dies

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/30/former-raider-chester-mcglockton-dies-at-42/

42?  Seriously?  Just...  wow.  Heart attack.  Dude was a beast with the Raiders.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 01, 2011, 12:10:06 pm
Another former "beast" apparently having a tough time with retirement:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/01/david-boston-faces-battery-charge-after-alleged-assault-of-women/

Sounds like the dude has some serious substance abuse issues to work out.  I hope he gets help.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2011, 01:32:45 pm
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on December 1, 2011, 11:46 AM EST
 
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They may have to rename the NFC Offensive Player of the Month in Aaron Rodgers‘ honor.
 
The Packers quarterback won the award for the fourth straight time on Thursday, dating back to the 2010 season.  (Perhaps Tom Brady knows what he’s talking about.)
 
Rodgers’ had a 131.6 quarterback rating with 13 touchdowns and one interception for the month. That’s his highest rating for a month ever.
 
Bears defensive end Julius Peppers won the defensive award. He’s quietly been a terror since getting healthy.
 
It’s no surprise that Cardinals rookie Patrick Peterson won the Special Teams Player of the Month award. He single-handedly beat the Rams twice with return touchdowns during November.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on December 01, 2011, 01:47:35 pm
Packrat, Peppers is not healthy.  In fact he has a tear in both knees.  He has been playing with braces on his legs under his socks and pants.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 01, 2011, 02:00:29 pm
I'm wondering if Peppers is gonna need to have some work done on those knees in the offseason...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 01, 2011, 07:02:57 pm
Bad knees or not, he has played very well.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 02, 2011, 08:13:37 am
Yes he has, but when you pay a guy 90 mil you kind of expect that.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on December 02, 2011, 08:50:42 am
Unfortunately, the D will be a year older and chances are the O will be learning a new system (Martz' contract is up and there are no rumblings of getting an extension FWIW) next year.

The Cutler injury has put the kaybosh on this season, unfortunately. Playoffs would be nice, but barring phenomal luck (something this jinxed team seems to not have this year) it will be one and done at best. A very good team blows the Bears away in the 1st quarter if Hanie plays like that again in the playoffs....

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but thinking that the Packers seem to find excellent QBs time and again (or at least one that had longevity and another seemingly on the same route) while the Bears flail away lost in the wilderness with a myriad of stiffs over the years is not a sign for encouragement......

Any wins the Bears get from here on out are gavy. Pure gravy :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 02, 2011, 09:05:13 am
It really sucks that this could wind up being Cutler's second consecutive season ended prematurely with an injury.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on December 02, 2011, 09:17:47 am
Packer success has little to do with luck and more to do with having a competant GM that recognizes team needs and addresses them rather than  consistantly taking flyers on questionable players in an attempt to prove he's the smartest guy in the room.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 02, 2011, 12:00:36 pm
I may be mistaken on this, but I have held the opinion that the Bears QB coaching lacks adequate attention. I think that Martz has helped impove Cutler, though.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 02, 2011, 12:11:50 pm
I may be mistaken on this, but I have held the opinion that the Bears QB coaching lacks adequate attention.

I would agree with this.  Pep Hamilton was worthless.  Cutler despised him, and with good reason. Whoever we've got now... well...  I don't know but it seems like most of Cutler's improvement has been things Cutler has done on his own. 

We could really use an OC that has some QB development skills as well as being able to come up with solid gameplans and manage the game calls well.
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Post by: dallasbear on December 02, 2011, 06:05:31 pm

You know what will make our offense coaches look smarter?  Adding one maybe two quality offensive lineman and a big play wide receiver.

Defensively, we need a pass rusher.

I said the same thing last year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on December 02, 2011, 06:15:28 pm
Pass rusher, O-linemen... sure, every team wants more of those...

Bears have the guys to do the job - but if your QB throws to the wrong guys it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on December 02, 2011, 06:22:06 pm

And why does Hanie throw to the wrong guys?  On the first pick he's flushed out of the pocket and on the 3rd pick he has a lineman in his face and he forced the throw.

Hanie is still at fault but he needs more help than Cutler.

Now Cutler would beat most teams with our current personnel - but can he beat the playoff quality defenses with that same personnel? 

Maybe we find out in January.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on December 02, 2011, 06:33:05 pm
I didn't think the Pack had a chance to win it all last year...

Bears are still in it - Cutler or not
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Post by: navigator on December 02, 2011, 06:33:44 pm
we need enough guys to beat the packers. If we don't get a few studs we will be looking up to them for several more years.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on December 02, 2011, 06:57:47 pm

take any 5 guys off the Packers starting lineup right now not named Rodgers and we'd still have problems beating them...even with Cutler
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 02, 2011, 10:59:16 pm
And why does Hanie throw to the wrong guys?   On the first pick he's flushed out of the pocket and on the 3rd pick he has a lineman in his face and he forced the throw.

Hanie is still at fault but he needs more help than Cutler.

Now Cutler would beat most teams with our current personnel - but can he beat the playoff quality defenses with that same personnel? 

Maybe we find out in January.

 Palmer threw 3 INT's in his first start with Da Raiduhs. And he is a pro-starter.
 
 Raiduhs got 24 points against Denver.

 Chicago got 20 points against Da Raiduhs.

 Give the kid a chance vs. K.C.

 If he totally sucks ... then lets knock him.  :-\
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 03, 2011, 07:02:15 am
Cutler threw 5 picks against the Redskins, after he has been a QB in the league and had 30+ games of starting experience.  I'll give Hanie a chance.  Really, what is our best optionm right now?  The fans need to be behind this guy because the next guy up is a steeper drop than Cutler to Hanie...and that is a pretty steep drop.

Give the guy a chance.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 03, 2011, 10:48:32 am
As lomg as the Bears have Urlacher and Peppers they will plague the Packers.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on December 03, 2011, 03:34:45 pm
The Santa Clara 49ers???

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7310317/san-francisco-49ers-santa-clara-secure-funding-stadium
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 05, 2011, 07:02:15 pm
Running back James Starks was carted off the field with an ankle injury early in the game, giving undrafted free agent Brandon Saine an opportunity to contribute to the Packers' offensive success.

Saine caught four passes for 29 yards and ran for 16 yards

Rodgers has even said that Saine has some of the best hands he's ever seen, and that's saying a lot if you take a look at his loaded receiving corps.

The rookie out of Ohio State has a bright future and he proved he can play against the Giants on Sunday.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on December 06, 2011, 05:25:14 am
Suh is a real classy guy

http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/22229/Passengers-say-Suh-lied-about-Portland-crash/Default.aspx

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 06, 2011, 07:59:39 am
Interesting how whenever Suh gives a story about something it winds up being nowhere close to what actually happened. Talk about a BS artist.  He's probably been skating on his football skills since junior high and no one has ever had the stones to call him out and this is what you get.   

This dude is on the fast track to short-circuiting what could have been a very promising and lucrative career.

BTW... How do you think Chrysler feels about their pitchman crashing a car... and it wasn't even theirs?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on December 06, 2011, 08:40:10 am
And Subway still runs their ads with him on them
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 06, 2011, 08:51:24 am
Based on what I saw against the Saints Sunday night...  if Nick Fairley ever gets healthy and in shape, he could cause more problems for opposing teams than Suh ever has.  Couldn't believe the Vikings passed on him in the draft.
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Post by: packrat on December 06, 2011, 06:33:27 pm
IF!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 08, 2011, 03:57:22 pm
Who the hell is scheduling these late season Monday Night Games?

Last week, it was real "must see TV" with Chargers vs. Jags.  7 whole wins between those two squads when that one kicked off.  And now this coming Monday make sure you all clear your calendars as the 5-7 Seahawks take on the 2-10 Rams.  Its Tavaris Jackson vs. Tom Brandstater in an NFC Worst (er, West) battle for the ages.

I mean, seriously.  If there was ever some "flexing" that needed to be done it's been this recent MNF slate.  Blecchh.


Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on December 10, 2011, 11:11:35 am
I read this post under a story about Big Ben getting hurt.  It **** me up.

"Ben Rapeursister is as innocent as OJ.
If the roofie she don't spit, you must acquit."
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 12, 2011, 10:54:18 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/chiefs-fire-todd-haley/

Please God don't let this tool wind up on the Bears coaching staff again.

What's interesting is that here's a guy who, like Lovie, lost his starting QB and RB, was not able to make up for that and has received consequences much more severe than Lovie will ever face.  Obviously a different (higher) standard is in effect in KC than at Halas Hall.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on December 12, 2011, 12:52:17 pm

Did anyone catch that last play with the Vikings on the Lions 1 yard line with 9 seconds left?  Webb rolls left and clearly gets facemasked - you can see his head jerked sideways.

No call - Lions win.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on December 12, 2011, 02:24:00 pm
The reason why it wasn't called because it wasn't Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on December 12, 2011, 03:30:00 pm
Add Tebow to the can't touch list. Sparano canned. big surprise.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 12, 2011, 03:44:16 pm
Sparano canned. big surprise.

Really, if your team is out of the hunt and you're looking to make the change anyway... why wait?

KC and Miami have a headstart on everybody else for their new HC now.  Well except the Jags.

Plus it sends a message to the players that big changes are definitely coming in the offseason...  and puts them in "audition" mode for the next regime, which is high incentive for them to man-up and play hard to the end.

I doubt that either Sparano or Haley land another HC gig...  but opinion seems to definitely be more sympathetic to Sparano than to Haley, even though Haley had by far a tougher row to hoe losing Cassell, Jamaal Charles and Eric Berry.

Also interesting is speculation that Josh McDaniels will get Haley's job at KC...  which has many Chiefs fans very nervous.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Eastcoastfan on December 12, 2011, 04:58:50 pm
I cannot believe that there hasn't been more attention paid to that missed facemask call, given the NFC playoff implications of that game!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on December 12, 2011, 05:27:59 pm

I didn't watch it live but did the announcers even mention it? 
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Post by: packrat on December 12, 2011, 06:23:16 pm
Pack looks like it's ready for the stetch drive,  Ryan Grant is finally healthy and looked good.  Clay Matthews is healthy.  Neal played about half the game. 

Looks like Jennings will miss a couple of games. 
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Post by: Sportster on December 12, 2011, 07:04:44 pm
Packs a shoo in to win it again...don't see anyone stopping them. They'll probably end up with a perfect season to boot...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on December 12, 2011, 08:22:03 pm
I think New Orleans can give them a good game in the playoffs with either Baltimore or New England giving them trouble in the Super Bowl.
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Post by: 46 on December 12, 2011, 09:29:33 pm
They really do look set to run the table. I think NO would have to play them in the dome for a chance.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 13, 2011, 06:09:59 am

 What pisses me off is DAA BEARRSSE thinking they are going to G.B. and LOSE.

 Fuuuck that shiiit.
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Post by: Fearless Freep on December 13, 2011, 06:47:33 am
I think New Orleans can give them a good game in the playoffs with either Baltimore or New England giving them trouble in the Super Bowl.

Agreed, Also if the Giants finish "4th" and win their home wildcard game, they will be at Lambeau for the Packers first playoff game - Manning is very capable, as he showed 2 game ago vs GB and against Dallas last Sunday and their defence gave GB fits at times.
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Post by: boogie on December 13, 2011, 10:04:14 am
A Patriots/Packers superbowl could be a very high scoring game.
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Post by: yapper on December 13, 2011, 10:14:40 am
I think what the league really wants is a Packers / Broncos SB.

Not sayin, just sayin.

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Post by: 46 on December 13, 2011, 11:35:04 am
Jesus vs the cheesus.  Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 13, 2011, 11:56:33 am
The Packers were the Broncos' first SuperBowl win...  Elway was QB...  Elway now is back with the Brocnos organization...

There are so many storylines there that that media could milk that matchup for the full two weeks and beyond.
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Post by: Sportster on December 13, 2011, 03:36:53 pm
Ya know...I don't know about the Pats being in it. They seem kind of spotty. Wouldn't surprise me if somehow it's a rematch of last years game. I think the real competition is on the NFC side. The AFC, I don't know....just doesn't impress me. We've played some real crap teams last couple weeks that would have been easy wins with Cutler and Forte. There are some good ones but I'm just not that impressed....
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Post by: packrat on December 13, 2011, 07:20:38 pm
The Broncos are winning becasue of their stout defense + team play + plus few turnovers.  On another team I doubt that TBow wold do well.  They wouldn't win  many 13-10 games.

What if the Broncos won the SB?  <shudder>
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 14, 2011, 12:31:27 am
Jesus vs the cheesus.  Sorry, couldn't help myself.

 Is it Jesus vs. cheeses ...

 or Tejus vs. cheeses ?
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Post by: wmljohn on December 14, 2011, 02:43:32 pm
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Please God don't let this tool wind up on the Bears coaching staff again.

What's interesting is that here's a guy who, like Lovie, lost his starting QB and RB, was not able to make up for that and has received consequences much more severe than Lovie will ever face.  Obviously a different (higher) standard is in effect in KC than at Halas Hall. 

And what was Haley's overall record?  How many Super Bowls did he take KC too?  How many Championship games?  Think there might be a little capitol built up by Lovie at Halas Hall?  Or should those things not matter at all?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 14, 2011, 03:17:07 pm
Does anyone know whether Haley left the Bears on good terms or not?

I keep having this gut feeling he may be in the mix to replace Martz as OC.  Not terribly excited about that idea but it feels like it could happen.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 14, 2011, 10:34:41 pm

 
Does anyone know whether Haley left the Bears on good terms or not?

I keep having this gut feeling he may be in the mix to replace Martz as OC.  Not terribly excited about that idea but it feels like it could happen.

 Bite your tongue Yap.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on December 14, 2011, 10:46:05 pm
I have no recollection of Haley being with the Bears.

Do you have him confused with Hatley?  He went to the Packers then passed away. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 15, 2011, 08:01:45 am
Wikipedia says that Todd Haley was the Bears WR coach from 2001-03.



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Post by: WshflThinking on December 15, 2011, 10:45:00 am
That would be correct
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 16, 2011, 02:52:11 pm
And our WRs during that period...  then as now...  were awful.

I guess we did have Marty Booker who had one decent year in that timeframe.  But otherwise... nada.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on December 16, 2011, 03:52:58 pm
I would pass just based on our wr talent development.  Just saying.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on December 16, 2011, 04:10:42 pm
Not only did we have Marty Booker but the underappreciated Dez White and David Terrell also played during those years. 

WR has been a blackhole like the QB position.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on December 16, 2011, 04:33:14 pm
I like both Knox & Bennett so I don't see this "doom and gloom" at that position.
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Post by: packrat on December 16, 2011, 06:42:53 pm
The Packers are short a number of key players once again: Linebacker Desmond Bishop (calf), Chad Clifton (hamstring), wideout Greg Jennings (knee), and defensive tackle Ryan Pickett (concussion) are all out. Running back Brandon Saine (concussion), James Starks (ankle), and guard Josh Sitton (knee) are questionable. Starks says he’ll play
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Post by: Sportster on December 16, 2011, 08:08:09 pm
And once again it won't matter a hill o' beans because their GM got the team enough DEPTH....something our moron would be wise....er um...sorry can't use that term with him....
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Post by: packrat on December 17, 2011, 07:24:02 pm
I hope that he's not another DL bust.

Green Bay - Defensive end Mike Neal of the Green Bay Packers has been so unimpressive in his return from arthroscopic knee surgery that he probably will continue losing playing time to Jarius Wynn.

Neal has one quarterback knockdown and no tackles in 93 snaps over the past four games. As a rookie in 2010, he had one sack, three hurries and five tackles in 78 snaps.

"I think the guy has so much pressure on him," defensive line coach Mike Trgovac said Friday. "Mike has some technical things. He says, 'Coach, I see things and I'm thinking out there.' I keep telling him to let his natural instincts take over. It's easier said than done because he cares so much."

Neal basically has been paired with B.J. Raji at defensive tackle in the nickel defense, the role that Wynn filled previously. The Packers hoped he would show the form of last year before a shoulder injury ended his season.

Two weeks ago, Neal had 25 snaps compared with Wynn's three. Last Sunday, the Packers gave Wynn 34 compared with Neal's 25.
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Post by: Dave23 on December 18, 2011, 02:47:29 pm
TD Chiefs!
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Post by: boogie on December 18, 2011, 03:23:33 pm
Tebow just ran for a touchdown.  Sigh.  That is a winner trying to win a game. 
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Post by: 46 on December 18, 2011, 03:43:15 pm
yep.  all he does is win.
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Post by: packrat on December 18, 2011, 05:53:48 pm
I didn't subscribe to Sunday Ticker but have seen all the games except this one.  Probably just aa well.   I don't know what happend exceptt heard that two starting Tackles were out and Finley dropped three passes early in the game and Nelson was called fot two Offensive Pass Interferences early.

I hpe this os an abberation.

If The OTs are back and Jennings is back and Starks is back and Bishop is back and Sitton is back   I think thePack will be OK.  If those guys are not healthy I doubt GB can beat the Saints (unless they have some injuries).
 
Guess that I'll go and read about this fiasco.
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Post by: 46 on December 18, 2011, 06:05:44 pm
denver pretty much getting pulped by ne. ponies at least are going down swinging.
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Post by: packrat on December 18, 2011, 06:10:19 pm
What went wrong: Almost everything on offense. Aaron Rodgers had his worst game of the season, going 6 of 17 in the first half. The receivers dropped six passes in the half --- Jermichael Finley had four. And the offensive line, decimated by injuries, finally caved. The Chiefs had four sacks. Of course, one common denominator here is probably the loss of wide receiver Greg Jennings. Big plays downfield were rare as no one else was able to step up. Jordy Nelson, the new No. 1, finished with only two receptions for 29 yards. Defensively, the Packers continued to give up big plays. Kansas City's screen game and misdirection caught them by surprise.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 18, 2011, 06:37:37 pm

 Dont worry Packy you will win next week since we no longer have a team at this point in time.
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Post by: Pekin on December 18, 2011, 06:59:57 pm
The Packers will not just win.  I am guessing it will be the biggest blow out ever between these two teams.

When it is hopefully that will get some people fired!
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Post by: WshflThinking on December 18, 2011, 07:43:34 pm
When it is hopefully that will get some people fired!

Keep preaching brother
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 18, 2011, 08:36:18 pm
Packie,

You mean it isn't all rosie when your OLine gets injuried and everyone plays out of position.  Yes welcome to our entire season...enjoy the experience!!
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Post by: Coach on December 18, 2011, 11:08:13 pm
I'd have rather had anyone, even the Packers, go undefeated just to save Western civilization from one more second of the overrated, pompous, Don Shula and the '72 Miami D.o.uchebags.
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Post by: packrat on December 19, 2011, 11:06:11 am
Packie,

You mean it isn't all rosie when your OLine gets injuried and everyone plays out of position.  Yes welcome to our entire season...enjoy the experience!!

Yeah, I have felt sorry for the Bears' fate this season, too.  Loyal fans like you guys don't deserve what's happening to you.  I had hoped for the good old days of Packers-Bears bloody games for  chanpionships.    Alas.
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Post by: packrat on December 19, 2011, 11:11:49 am
What angers me most is that Finley has been begging fro more passes.  Then, when Jennings is out and he becomes the main target he drops 4 out of 7 passes thrown to him.  It's his contract year and I don't see Thompson giving him big money. 

If the Pack can franchise him as TE it will probably happen but if he is classified as a WR there is no way I can see Thompson keeping him at a WR level contract.  You need players that you can count on.

If the receivers catch those 6 passes dropped a sloppy game becomes a win instead of a loss.
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Post by: packrat on December 19, 2011, 11:17:34 am
Finley takes the blame:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/finley-takes-blame-for-dropped-passes-vq3g26r-135840383.html
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Post by: BearHit on December 19, 2011, 12:30:25 pm
Maybe Rodgers forgot to get him a Christmas gift
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Post by: packrat on December 19, 2011, 06:50:53 pm
LOL.  He would have probably dropped it anyway.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 19, 2011, 10:49:11 pm

 Packy dont count us out just yet.  :D
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Post by: Keysbear on December 19, 2011, 11:12:33 pm
SF looks really good tonight. They could give the Pack a game with that defense.
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Post by: dallasbear on December 20, 2011, 01:19:33 am
Packers have shown they can win with an assortment of no name lineman, running backs and TEs, but Batman (Rodgers) isn't quite the same when Robin (Jennings) is out of the lineup.

Packers could be challenged not only by the 49ers but the Saints too.  Cowboys could also make some too - but they lost a bit of firepower when their rookie HB Murray went down.
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Post by: yapper on December 20, 2011, 08:11:14 am
I think the Niners have the D to take out either the Packers or the Saints if all the stars align.

In fact the Niners may be the most "complete" team in the league in terms of O and D combined.  I'll be interested to see how far they get in the playoffs and a lot of it may come down to how many of their games they get to play at home.
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Post by: packrat on December 20, 2011, 11:48:37 am
I agre with all of the above posts.  I had posted a reponse on another thread.
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Post by: otto105 on December 20, 2011, 01:14:39 pm
I would not overestimate the power of the Niners. They have played a soft schedule and beat a banged up Steelers team last night. They do not have enough offense to compete with either the Saints or Packers this year.
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Post by: Phill23 on December 20, 2011, 06:44:19 pm
Hell they don't have the offense to challenge the Falcons either.
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Post by: Sportster on December 20, 2011, 10:41:10 pm
I think the Packers may have peaked already and the Niners are just peaking....
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Post by: packrat on December 21, 2011, 07:37:56 pm
Maybe so but after getting to watch the game in it's enriety on the replay show I felt a little better.

The KC HC had lost this team back during the pre-season when they were playing poorly and he made the starters play hearly the whole 4 games.

On Sunday they showed their love for Crennel and played their guts out. 

The Pack could have still won ugly if they hadn't missed 2 FGs or they hadn't dropped 6 passes or they hadn't lost 2 more Tackles or etc, etc.

Every time they started on a drive I felt they were back on track they made an uncharacteristic blunder.  The loss was not for lack of effort, though.

The running game looked good for a change.  Rodgers had one of his rare games where he was off a little on several throws.

Assuming Jennings come back well for the play-offs they will be better. 

My big worry is the OL.  If they can't get that back on track they won't go far.

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Post by: packrat on December 25, 2011, 11:20:45 am
Perfect example of what happens when a coach is too soft (a players' coach).

Posted by Michael David Smith on December 25, 2011, 9:28 AM EST
 
Getty Images
After the Buccaneers’ ninth consecutive loss, cornerback Ronde Barber didn’t attempt to conceal his anger, and he didn’t sound happy with his teammates.
 
Barber noted that the Panthers gained 270 yards on the ground, with five different players running for more than 20 yards, on the way to a 48-16 drubbing that wasn’t even as close as the score would suggest — it was 48-10 when the Panthers pulled most of their starters early in the fourth quarter.
 
“That was an embarrassing performance, really, in the run game,” Barber said, via the Tampa Tribune. “It’s frustrating to watch because you know what the problems are. It looks like guys want to do their own thing.”
 
It’s been largely overlooked because the rest of the team is playing so badly, but Barber is having a strong year at age 36. Against the Panthers he was primarily responsible for coverage on receiver Steve Smith, and Smith had his least productive game of the season, catching just one of the three passes thrown to him, for nine yards. But a good individual effort wasn’t enough to console Barber afterward.
 
“They didn’t even need [Smith] today,” Barber said. “That just shows how far they’ve come and how far we’ve gotten away from what we used to be.”
 
Another of the Bucs’ veteran starters, guard Davin Joseph, suggested that instead of everyone saying head coach Raheem Morris’s job is on the line, it should be time for the players to think their jobs are on the line.
 
“You can’t say this looks like a team that doesn’t want Coach Morris to come back,” Joseph said. “The way we’re going, I’d say this is a team where I’m wondering whether our players are going to come back.”
 
Tampa Bay hasn’t even been competitive in the last month. They’ve got a long list of players and coaches who don’t deserve to come back.
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Post by: yapper on December 26, 2011, 09:43:58 am
Raheem Morris is a moron.

The way he's coddled Aquib Talib has alienated a lot of his other players and it's showed up on the field this season. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 28, 2011, 12:16:03 pm
I have no love for the Lions...  but the fact that Eli Manning was voted to the Pro Bowl ahead of Matthew Stafford is just preposterous.
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Post by: WshflThinking on December 28, 2011, 12:29:05 pm
Its eastern bias. If you looked at a map of the US in the eyes of an easterner, New York would be 3 quarters of the country
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Post by: Sportster on December 28, 2011, 01:58:58 pm
Eli's been doing it for years....Loins and their virtually unknown QB have to do it a couple more and then they'll get respect. Figure this....we were AHEAD of them until Cutler went down. We would have finished ahead of them and first in wildcard. We lost some VERY winnable games. But lack of depth absolutely killed us. Failures by our crap GM.......
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Post by: packrat on December 28, 2011, 05:58:28 pm
Crap GM is very true.  He needs to be gone immediately.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 30, 2011, 02:20:22 am

 We need this on our team ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPx327SbBQ0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPx327SbBQ0)
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Post by: packrat on December 30, 2011, 01:06:44 pm
Green Bay - No, Matt Flynn has not checked the weather forecast. At some point Saturday, he plans to. But not yet. In reality, the Green Bay Packers' backup quarterback probably doesn't need to waste his time.

It's Wisconsin. It's winter. It's going to be cold. Tough break.

"I'm not a big fan of the cold," Flynn said. "Being a southern boy, it's something you have to deal with."

But - as the native Texan notes - he's always been stranded on the sideline during those frigid afternoons at Lambeau Field. He's stationary, an easy target. Not much internal heat is circulating when you're holding a clipboard. This weekend, that'll probably change. With home-field advantage locked up, there's a good chance the Packers pull starting quarterback Aaron Rodgers at some point Sunday against the Detroit Lions.

For Flynn, the opportunity is two-fold. First, millions of dollars may be on the line. He's a free agent in March. This could be a job interview with Ndamukong Suh and Cliff Avril providing the interrogation. And also, Flynn can provide further peace of mind. He's the proverbial "one snap away" from piloting a Super Bowl favorite, a team that has relied on its quarterback being nearly perfect...
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Post by: otto105 on December 30, 2011, 10:31:15 pm
LOVE IT...HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE LOCKED UP...
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Post by: packrat on January 01, 2012, 06:36:06 pm
Who is the best avable QB this next-off-season?  No doubt about it - Matt Flynn.  He has demonstrated he can play well is the NFL by throwing 6 TD passes against a fired up Detroit team.   Several Packer starters were absent from the lineup.

He had aover 4oo yards passing without any help from Jennings who was out for the game.

You don't need to drat him or trade for him; just sign him to a contract and he is yours.  Another product of the Packers QB school. 

Do you think that Thompson has an eye for QB talent?


Posted by Michael David Smith on January 1, 2012, 4:56 PM EST
 
Getty Images
The Green Bay Packers certainly hope they won’t need to, but today they found out that they can beat a playoff team even without Aaron Rodgers.
 
That’s what the Packers did today against the Lions, as Rodgers got the day off and Matt Flynn led the way with an absolutely stunning game, completing 31 of 44 passes for 480 yards and six touchdowns.
 
Flynn and Matthew Stafford played a great game of Tecmo Bowl: Stafford completed 36 of 59 passes for 520 yards and five touchdowns, but the second of Stafford’s two interceptions sealed the Lions’ fate with just seconds remaining in the fourth quarter. It was the first time in NFL history that two quarterbacks had 400 yards and five touchdowns in the same game.
 
Stafford could have made it six touchdowns if a blown call hadn’t cost him a touchdown toss to Titus Young, and the Lions will find themselves wondering what might have been if they hadn’t lost those points.
 
Flynn is the only quarterback other than Brett Favre or Rodgers to start for the Packers in the last 20 years, and he had better stats today than either of them ever had in more than 300 combined starts.
 
Calvin Johnson had a career-high 244 receiving yards for the Lions, giving him a league-leading 1,681 yards for the season.
 
The Lions will play at New Orleans next weekend barring the Falcons collapsing today against the Buccaneers, and a Lions defense that gave up that big a game to Flynn is going to have a tough time against Drew Brees. The Saints whipped the Lions in New Orleans during the regular season and will be heavy favorites to do it again in the postseason.
 
But no one will be favored over the Packers in the postseason. Their offense is a juggernaut, even when Rodgers is on the sideline.
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Post by: Dave23 on January 01, 2012, 10:22:21 pm
Anyone still think Eli Manning isn't All-Pro worthy?

Get for real...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 02, 2012, 12:23:23 am
Anyone still think Eli Manning isn't All-Pro worthy?

Get for real...

 I loved him until he bailed on me in FFL when it counted most in the playoffs.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 02, 2012, 07:27:59 am
Fortuantely for us, Flynn and Rodgers are both early in their careers.  Flynn will not be carrying the torch after Rodgers moves on.  If he is a FA, he also won't give the Packers much if any in compensation.  But before we say that Ted Thompson has this great eye for talent, Rodgers fell into his lap during his draft free fall.  It wasn't as shrewd as the move that the Packers made to acquire Favre from Atlanta.  The Packers lucked into Rodgers.  The year they drafted Flynn in the 7th round, they also drafted Brian Brohm in the 2nd round.  Brian Brohm lasted one season with the Packers.  If Thompson was such a QB evaluating guru, he would have never chosen Brohm, and chosen Flynn with that 2nd round pick. 

The draft is about research and a lot of luck.
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Post by: Sportster on January 02, 2012, 11:23:49 am
Seriously,there's no comparison Thompson vs Angie. Angie has blown it on multiple picks in multiple drafts, at times completely failing to address much needed areas on the team thus leaving them thin in spots and vacant/empty/with crap in others.
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Post by: Pekin on January 02, 2012, 02:37:14 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/02/colts-clean-house-polians-are-out/

Polians are fired in Indy.  Wow!
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Post by: Keysbear on January 02, 2012, 04:45:23 pm
You mean it's possible for an owner to hold his front office acountable for not having a decent back-up QB when your starter goes down?
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Post by: 46 on January 02, 2012, 05:48:49 pm
In some places, yes. In others, no.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 02, 2012, 08:48:03 pm
LOL, only in Beardom does it not happen
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Post by: guest77 on January 02, 2012, 09:28:53 pm
So let me make sure I've got this right...the Indianapolis Colts-- a perennial playoff team until this year--the team that beat the Bears in a Super Bowl just five years ago....lets the entire Polian regime go today.  And the Bears, a team who would have met the same fate as the Colts had Cutler gone down in week 1 instead of week 10 are content to stand pat. 

The Chicago Bears, who have had one playoff appearance since that Super Bowl are good to go.  And the Colts, who have missed the playoffs ONCE since the SAME Super Bowl and have appeared in ANOTHER ONE since then fire their entire Management team.

That is some phucked up $hit.
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Post by: Sportster on January 03, 2012, 06:27:33 am
Yep and I'd swap out the Polians for all the crap we've got in a split second....
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Post by: 46 on January 03, 2012, 08:06:31 am
Thinking the exact same thing. Time for ole' George to step up.
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Post by: packrat on January 03, 2012, 04:05:03 pm
Fortuantely for us, Flynn and Rodgers are both early in their careers.  Flynn will not be carrying the torch after Rodgers moves on.  If he is a FA, he also won't give the Packers much if any in compensation.  But before we say that Ted Thompson has this great eye for talent, Rodgers fell into his lap during his draft free fall.  It wasn't as shrewd as the move that the Packers made to acquire Favre from Atlanta.  The Packers lucked into Rodgers.  The year they drafted Flynn in the 7th round, they also drafted Brian Brohm in the 2nd round.  Brian Brohm lasted one season with the Packers.  If Thompson was such a QB evaluating guru, he would have never chosen Brohm, and chosen Flynn with that 2nd round pick. 

The draft is about research and a lot of luck.

True about needing some luck in the draft, Grizz.  Also true that Rodgers fell to them at #24 but 23 other teams had a shot at Rodgers and passed.

IMHO, part of the success in drafting is how well the drafted players are coached.  GB has done a great job on coaching up players.  It also helps that McCarthy is highly regarded at coaching QBs.

Thompson's philosophy on drafting is to pile up a lot of choices so the chance of hitting a good player in the lower round helps out in finding good unknown players.

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Post by: BearHit on January 05, 2012, 10:00:13 am
Haven't heard these guys' names much - aside from Reggie MacKenzie

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d825b843b/article/opportunities-present-themselves-for-hot-gm-candidates?module=HP11_content_stream

 
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Post by: packrat on January 05, 2012, 07:49:48 pm
Green Bay - Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin is taking full advantage of the open window available to him to interview for head coaching positions.

Philbin will interview for two different head coaching jobs, an NFL source said Wednesday.

The first took place Wednesday night in Kansas City, the source said, confirming an earlier report from ESPN.com, and the other will take place later this week. The source would not reveal with what team the other interview will take place.

Another NFL source said he was told it was the Jacksonville Jaguars, who are reportedly interviewing only offensive coordinators at this time. However, the Journal Sentinel could not confirm that information.

According to NFL anti-tampering policy, assistant coaches whose teams have a playoff bye can interview for head coaching jobs until the first wild-card game game starts Saturday. The interviews must take place at a location suitable to the assistant coach's team...
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Post by: dallasbear on January 06, 2012, 09:02:03 am

Joe who?  He doesn't even call the plays right? 

If Philbin gets a HC job then that means Clements inherits the OC position.  Otherwise I question why Clements would stay in GB.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 06, 2012, 09:06:08 am
That could be Clements' thinking exactly.

Philbin is a pretty hot commodity.  Last I checked he had already interviewed with a couple of teams or was scheduled to anyway.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 06, 2012, 10:53:48 am
If I were Clements I'd be looking to interview for OC jobs anyway.
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Post by: Phill23 on January 06, 2012, 11:45:09 am
If Philbin gets a HC job then that means Clements inherits the OC position.  Otherwise I question why Clements would stay in GB.

Totally agree!!!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 06, 2012, 12:28:55 pm
If Clements interviews for other OC positions, that should help drive up his price.
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Post by: packrat on January 06, 2012, 06:45:35 pm
Rodgers tops Brees easily, Megatron and Allen lead All-Pro voting

 Posted by Michael David Smith on January 6, 2012, 2:04 PM EST
 
Reuters
There’s been some talk this week that Drew Brees may have caught Aaron Rodgers in the Most Valuable Player race, but the voting on the Associated Press All-Pro team makes it clear that most members of the media view Rodgers as the superior player.
 
The full All-Pro votes were released today, and Rodgers was the overwhelming choice at quarterback, with 47.5 votes. Brees got the other 2.5 votes from the 50-member media panel.
 
There were no unanimous choices at any position, but two players came close: Lions receiver Calvin Johnson and Vikings defensive end Jared Allen were the highest vote getters at any position, with 49 votes apiece.
 
The full voting results are below.
 
Quarterback
 
Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay, 47.5; Drew Brees, New Orleans, 2.5.
 
Running Backs
 
Maurice Jones-Drew, Jacksonville, 40; LeSean McCoy, Philadelphia, 29; Ray Rice, Baltimore, 24; Arian Foster, Houston, 3; Frank Gore, San Francisco, 1; Matt Forte, Chicago, 1; Darren Sproles, New Orleans, 1.
 
Fullback
 
Vonta Leach, Baltimore, 42; John Kuhn, Green Bay, 6; Marcel Reece, Oakland, 2.
 
Tight End
 
Rob Gronkowski, New England, 44.5; Jimmy Graham, New Orleans, 5.5.
 
Wide Receivers
 
Calvin Johnson, Detroit, 49; Wes Welker, New England, 23; Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona, 15; Victor Cruz, New York Giants, 9; Steve Smith, Carolina, 2; Jordy Nelson, Green Bay, 1; Mike Wallace, Pittsburgh, 1.
 
Tackles
 
Jason Peters, Philadelphia, 27; Joe Thomas, Cleveland, 19; Duane Brown, Houston, 11; Joe Staley, San Francisco, 11; Eric Winston, Houston, 10; Jake Long, Miami, 5; Jermon Bushrod, New Orleans, 3; Andrew Whitworth, Cincinnati, 3; Bryan Bulaga, Green Bay, 3; Michael Oher, Baltimore, 2; Jared Veldheer, Oakland, 2; Tyron Smith, Dallas, 1; Anthony Davis, San Francisco, 1; Jordan Gross, Carolina, 1; Michael Roos, Tennessee, 1.
 
Guards
 
Jahri Evans, New Orleans, 29; Carl Nicks, New Orleans, 27; Marshal Yanda, Baltimore, 17; Logan Mankins, New England, 10; Brian Waters, New England, 5; Chris Kuper, Denver, 4; Davin Joseph, Tampa Bay, 3; Chris Snee, New York Giants, 2; Evan Mathis, Philadelphia, 2; Mike Iupati, San Francisco, 1.
 
Center
 
Maurkice Pouncey, Pittsburgh, 13; Ryan Kalil, Carolina, 11; Nick Mangold, New York Jets, 11; Chris Myers, Houston, 7; Scott Wells, Green Bay, 7; John Sullivan, Minnesota, 1.
 
Kicker
 
David Akers, San Francisco, 32; Sebastian Janikowski, Oakland, 14; Rob Bironas, Tennessee, 1; Matt Bryant, Atlanta, 1; Matt Prater, Denver, 1; Josh Scobee, Jacksonville, 1.
 
Kick Returner
 
Patrick Peterson, Arizona, 33; Devin Hester, Chicago, 10; Darren Sproles, New Orleans, 3; Ted Ginn Jr., San Francisco, 2; Antonio Brown, Pittsburgh, 1; Joe McKnight, New York Jets, 1.
 
Defensive End
 
Jared Allen, Minnesota, 49; Jason Pierre-Paul, New York Giants, 34; Justin Smith, San Francisco, 9; Jason Babin, Philadelphia, 7; Elvis Dumervil, Denver, 1.
 
Tackles
 
Haloti Ngata, Baltimore, 38; Justin Smith, San Francisco, 35; Geno Atkins, Cincinnati, 9; Richard Seymour, Oakland, 5; Vince Wilfork, New England, 5; B.J. Raji, Green Bay, 1; Calais Campbell, Arizona, 1; Henry Melton, Chicago, 1; Mike Patterson, Philadelphia, 1; Sione Pouha, New York Jets, 1; Jay Ratliff, Dallas, 1; Ndamukong Suh, Detroit, 1; J.J. Watt, Houston, 1.
 
Outside Linebackers
 
Terrell Suggs, Baltimore, 47; DeMarcus Ware, Dallas, 42; Tamba Hali, Kansas City, 4; Von Miller, Denver, 4; Clay Matthews, Green Bay, 2; Sean Weatherspoon, Atlanta, 1.
 
Inside Linebackers
 
Patrick Willis, San Francisco, 32; NaVorro Bowman, San Francisco, 16; Derrick Johnson, Kansas City, 16; Brian Cushing, Houston, 13; London Fletcher, Washington, 8; Ray Lewis, Baltimore, 3; Brian Urlacher, Chicago, 3; Daryl Washington, Arizona, 3; Lance Briggs, Chicago, 2; D’Qwell Jackson, Cleveland, 2; DeMeco Ryans, Houston, 1; Lawrence Timmons, Pittsburgh, 1.
 
Cornerbacks
 
Darrelle Revis, NY Jets, 48; Charles Woodson, Green Bay, 19; Johnathan Joseph, Houston, 18; Carlos Rogers, San Francisco, 10; Champ Bailey, Denver, 3; Brandon Flowers, Kansas City, 1; Charles Tillman, Chicago, 1.
 
Safeties
 
Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh, 29; Eric Weddle, San Diego, 20; Ed Reed, Baltimore, 17; Earl Thomas, Seattle, 16; Kam Chancellor, Seattle, 5; Adrian Wilson, Arizona, 4; Dashon Goldson, San Francisco, 3; Jairus Byrd, Buffalo, 2; Bernard Pollard, Baltimore, 2; Roman Harper, New Orleans, 1; Tyvon Branch, Oakland, 1.
 
Punter
 
Andy Lee, San Francisco, 29; Shane Lechler, Oakland, 20; Britton Colquitt, Denver, 1.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 07, 2012, 06:31:32 pm
The Houston Texans not only made the playoffs with their back up QB they are owning the Bengals.

Also Daniell Manning had a very good game.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 07, 2012, 10:59:45 pm

 GREEN BAY, Wis. — The success of the Packers and the way in which the team has been built has not gone unnoticed by the rest of the NFL.

On Thursday night, multiple reports surfaced that Green Bay's director of football operations Reggie McKenzie would be hired as the Oakland Raiders' new general manager, and the team confirmed those reports Friday.

McKenzie, 48, has been with the Packers organization since 1994, initially as a pro personnel assistant. He was later promoted to director of pro personnel in 1997 and has been in his current position since 2008.

McKenzie, who played linebacker in the NFL from 1985 to 1992, spent four of those seasons with the Raiders.

McKenzie's responsibilities with the Packers included overseeing the team's scouting efforts of all professional football leagues and assessing Green Bay's current players and evaluating potential free agents. He also worked closely with Packers coach Mike McCarthy in-season to provide advance scouting reports on upcoming opponents.

During his years in Green Bay, he has had the chance to work with former general manager Ron Wolf, who built the Packers' two Super Bowl teams in the 1990s, and current GM Ted Thompson, who constructed the team that is 15-1 and defending a Super Bowl title.

"I would like to thank Reggie McKenzie for all that he has done for the Green Bay Packers over the last 18 years," Thompson said in a statement Friday. "Reggie is a tremendous talent, but more importantly, he is a good friend and a great family man. His contributions to our organization are numerous, and he is ready for the opportunity to be a general manager in the National Football League. It's been a privilege to work with Reggie. He is a good man."

Raiders owner Al Davis had essentially served as the team's general manager until his death in October. Raiders coach Hue Jackson has had the final say on personnel since that time and put together the midseason trade that brought quarterback Carson Palmer to Oakland.

Oakland finished the season 8-8 and out of the playoffs.
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Post by: packrat on January 08, 2012, 07:06:57 pm

Deja vu?  A few years back the Giants started as a wild-card play-of team and proceeded to knock off the Cowboys in Dallas and, then, the packers in GB and, finally, won the Super Bowl.  They looked tough yesterday.  Scary.

Last year GB followed that same scenario.

Deja vu for Atlanta?  Last year Atlanta accrued a great season record and  was dismembered by GB.  This season they accumulated another great record and were demolished by the Giants.  Sad fans in Atlanta, I'll bet.

Detroit playing Pitt toe to toe and WON. I saw it but can't believe it.
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Post by: Pekin on January 08, 2012, 07:19:22 pm
GO TEBOW AND THE BRONCOS!!!

My boss is a Steeler fan.  I am going to have some fun Monday!!!
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Post by: Fearless Freep on January 08, 2012, 07:31:59 pm
... and the gladdest people were the refs who TOTALLY blew that lateral fumble call, as well as the rules committee who SHOULD makes changes so that a challenge is allowed.
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Post by: Fearless Freep on January 08, 2012, 07:35:32 pm
Deja vu?  A few years back the Giants started as a wild-card play-of team and proceeded to knock off the Cowboys in Dallas and, then, the packers in GB and, finally, won the Super Bowl.  They looked tough yesterday.  Scary.

Last year GB followed that same scenario.

Deja vu for Atlanta?  Last year Atlanta accrued a great season record and  was dismembered by GB.  This season they accumulated another great record and were demolished by the Giants.  Sad fans in Atlanta, I'll bet.

[Denver] playing Pitt toe to toe and WON. I saw it but can't believe it.

I tell you, I wanted GB to play ATL over NYG and now I expect Mr. Capers will have a sleepless week, followed closely by OL coach James Campen. (http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/james-campen/240e2dfa-4773-434b-8aa0-e6b67c649639)
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Post by: Sportster on January 09, 2012, 01:01:16 am
Yea the Giants looked REAL tough. It's gonna be a very hard game for GB. Glad to see the Broncos beat Pitt. That made my day! I'm thinking it could be...obviously pretty early pick here....a Giants/Pats SB. Giants looked real good...
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Post by: BearHit on January 09, 2012, 04:36:59 am
Giants looked good - and gave Green Bay a tough go earlier this season... should be exciting games next week
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Post by: navigator on January 09, 2012, 08:04:55 am
I'd love for Denver to thump NE.
I wouldn't mind seeing SF vs Denver, some teams we haven't seen in awhile.
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Post by: Sportster on January 09, 2012, 08:39:43 am
That sounds good to me too, Nav. I'm rootin' for Denver....
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Post by: yapper on January 09, 2012, 01:41:29 pm
IIRC the last San Fran / Denver SuperBowl was an epic blowout.  55-10 or something crazy like that.

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Post by: Sportster on January 09, 2012, 02:01:00 pm
Super Bowl XXIV 1990....Montana vs Elway. Most lopsided SB victory. 9ers flattened em....remember that game. Couldn't believe the score.
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Post by: yapper on January 09, 2012, 02:13:45 pm
Watching that Saints offense operate Saturday night was just unbelievable.  It was like they had 13 guys and the Lions D had 10.

The Lions also showed me some of the worst tackling I've seen in a long time.
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Post by: Sportster on January 09, 2012, 02:21:39 pm
The thing that irks me is watching real live NFL recievers catching balls out there and thinking 'why don't WE have that?!?'....
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Post by: 46 on January 09, 2012, 02:29:04 pm
Because the Bears have Angelo/Ruskill.  That's why.  They'd draft Jim Brown and covert him to a punter.
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Post by: yapper on January 09, 2012, 02:41:06 pm
Much as I would like to see an old-school, run-the-ball-and-play D team win the Superbowl, I don't see it happening.

The Lombardi trophy is gonna go to one of the teams that can fill the air with footballs and score 40 points on demand.
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Post by: Sportster on January 09, 2012, 02:46:12 pm
Sure has changed. Saints, Packers, Giants and Pats all rank in the bottom third or BOTTOM of the league in total D. UNreal. Years past they wouldn't have stood a chance or very little chance. 9ers are ranked like third so if 'Defense wins Championships', they will take it all....guess we'll see.
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Post by: Sportster on January 09, 2012, 02:49:02 pm
Pitt was top ranked on D and they've been bounced...Cincy was up there and they, too, were beat. That leaves Ravens and Houston in the top 5 D's....doesn't look promising for that motto this season....
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Post by: Sportster on January 09, 2012, 02:52:30 pm
The 9ers are really gonna test that motto this season....they're one of the only teams that have a top tiered D and bottom feeding O in this race. Most of the others are vice versa. Ravens are middle pack O...
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Post by: yapper on January 09, 2012, 03:06:54 pm
If I were a Niners fan and knowing what the Saints can do on a fast track, I'd be praying it rains nonstop in San Fran from now through the game. 

A cold, soggy field is the only thing that can bring the Saints O down to a level where the Niners can compete, I'm thinking.
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Post by: yapper on January 09, 2012, 03:13:52 pm
Hmmm...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/09/bucs-to-interview-marty-schottenheimer/

Call me crazy but I think an old-school guy like Marty is exactly what that franchise needs.  They have some promising young players, but discipline is non-existent and there's way too much of a "thug factor" going on down there with guys like Aqib Talib and LeGarrett Blount.  Raheem Morris decided he'd rather be these guys BFFs than their coach; the team underperformed badly because of it, and it cost Morris his job.

It's ridiculous that a team with the talent of the Bucs is drafting in the Top 5 when they should have finished no worse than .500 even in a tough division.  I think a guy like Marty could get that talent pulling in the right direction in a hurry.  And if he can't he'll at least send some of the thugs packing and that would be OK too. 



Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 09, 2012, 03:30:42 pm
The Bucs got off the ground, were flying pretty high...and then the engines sputtered out, ALL of em....anytime you lose 10 straight games, that's a very bad thing....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 09, 2012, 03:45:32 pm
Aqib Talib should have been cut the day his role in the whole shooting incident came to light. 

That lack of leadership by Morris set the tone for their whole season down there.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on January 09, 2012, 08:37:32 pm
Pittsburg even with the injuries...we NFL fans are taking your man card.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 10, 2012, 01:15:01 pm
Good move by the new GM in Oakland:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/10/raiders-fire-hue-jackson/

With the talent the Raiders have (and going all-in to land Carson Palmer), they should have walked away with the AFC West this year.  Big-time underperformance and that comes down to coaching. 
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Post by: BearHit on January 10, 2012, 01:34:59 pm
They had injury issues also - but any new GM should be allowed to immediately fire the head coach if he sees fit
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 10, 2012, 01:42:30 pm
Keep an eye on the Raiders the next few years with McKenzie in the front office.

With McKenzie having seen first-hand how a premier NFL franchise is run (in Green Bay), you can bet Jackson's firing is just the first domino to fall.  McKenzie has nothing less in mind than changing the entire culture of that dysfunctional, underachieving organization, and I have a feeling the Raiders will wind up being a textbook case of exactly how you do it. 

The McCaskeys would be wise to watch and learn, because the way the Raiders are proceeding this offseason only makes the Bears look that much more slow-footed and backward thinking by comparison. 
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 10, 2012, 03:20:30 pm
It surely does. And our new GM should fire Lovie too.
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Post by: yapper on January 10, 2012, 03:52:44 pm
There are some very interesting similarities -- and two major differences -- between the Raiders and the Bears.

SIMILARITIES

- Both organizations are owned by "old guard" family entities that have been known for being behind the times, too "ingrown" in their hiring and promotion practices, reactive vs. pro-active, and more than a little dysfunctional overall.

- Both clubs failed repeatedly at drafting / developing young QBs and finally went "all-in" to acquire franchise QBs (Cutler and Palmer, respectively)...  creating incredible pressure not only on the QBs, but the people who mortgaged their clubs' futures to get them. 

- Both clubs suffered season ending injuries to their most important offensive players (Cutler and McFadden)

- Both clubs have defenses with above average talent, but which failed too many times in clutch situations this season.

- Both clubs were well positioned for the playoffs at the 10-game mark of the season, only to collapse down the stretch.  I read someplace that the Raiders only needed to win 2 of their last 6 games to make the playoffs, and instead went 1-5, just like the Bears did.

DIFFERENCES

- The Raiders have changed HCs every year or two, while Lovie has been with the Bears forever in comparison

- With the death of Al Davis, the Raiders are very quickly and decisively making a clean break from the past (hiring McKenzie, firing Hue Jackson, etc.)...  whereas in Halas Hall, nothing close to radical change is occurring and McCaskeys past and present continue to muddle about doing pretty much as much (or as little) as they've always done and leaving the big decisions to the bean counters.
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Post by: Sportster on January 10, 2012, 04:00:58 pm
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if they're discussing terms with the Polians.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 10, 2012, 07:16:58 pm

 Did Denver use the pick they got from us for Cutler to draft Tebow?
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Post by: packrat on January 10, 2012, 07:25:16 pm
Posted by Michael David Smith on January 10, 2012, 5:39 PM EST
 

Titans quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains will remain the Titans’ quarterbacks coach, despite overtures from the Bears about a job that would give Loggains a better title and more responsibilities.
 
The Bears were interested in Loggains as passing game coordinator, but Loggains is under contract and Titans coach Mike Munchak denied the Bears’ request to interview him, Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean reports.
 
Although assistant coaches are never prevented from interviewing to become head coaches, different teams take different approaches when their assistants are asked to interview for other assistant jobs elsewhere. Some teams simply won’t allow assistants to leave. Other teams allow assistants to leave if it’s for a promotion (like position coach to coordinator), and the Bears hoped Loggains would get that permission from the Titans. But the Titans said no.
 
Loggains has spent six years with the Titans, two as quarterbacks coach, two as offensive quality control coach and two as a coaching administrative assistant. Prior to Tennessee hiring him he was a scouting assistant with the Cowboys, and before that he was a backup quarterback at Arkansas.
 
Bears quarterback Jay Cutler is friends with Loggains and wanted him to join Chicago’s re-shaped offensive staff under new offensive coordinator Mike Tice. But that won’t happen.
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Post by: Sportster on January 10, 2012, 07:39:33 pm
Interview or not, just hire the guy if ya really want him. Guys under contract move around all the time....
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Post by: navigator on January 10, 2012, 07:48:53 pm
I think the NFL calls that tampering or something and I think OAK got 2 #1's or something like that for Gruden from TB.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 10, 2012, 08:06:11 pm

 Offensive coordinator Clarence Shelmon will not return to the Chargers next season, he said Tuesday.

Shelmon, who spent 10 seasons with San Diego and 21 in the NFL, was the longest-tenured assistant coach along with current defensive coordinator John Pagano. The offensive coordinator from 2007-2011, Shelmon expects to pursue other things in the future and looks forward to traveling with his wife Nancy. The two plan to visit Istanbul this summer and take a three-week trip to South Africa in December.

“I’m just done,” said Shelmon, who coached football for a combined 37 years. “You know when it’s time. It’s time for me to go and do some other things with my life.”

A running backs coach from 1978-2006, Shelmon worked with some great players. LaDainian Tomlinson, Lorenzo Neal, Emmitt Smith and Chris Warren combined for 11 Pro Bowls under Shelmon’s tutelage. Shelmon also helped develop Ryan Mathews, Mike Tolbert, Darren Sproles and Michael Turner with the Chargers.
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Post by: Sportster on January 10, 2012, 09:01:41 pm
That's got to be one team that would be as frustrating as heck to work with. All that talent and can't get out the door. He sounds like he's frustrated, too, lol.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 10, 2012, 09:52:52 pm
That's got to be one team that would be as frustrating as heck to work with. All that talent and can't get out the door. He sounds like he's frustrated, too, lol.....

 Sporty how much money do we offer him to be our RB coach?

 If he wants to hang out on a yacht he can do that with the Mccasky's in the off season.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 10, 2012, 10:33:24 pm

 Jaguars new Head Coach

Owner Shahid Khan has hired Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey as his new head coach, the Florida Times-Union reported Tuesday night.

Mularkey, who went 14-18 as coach of the Buffalo Bills from 2004-05, is Khan’s first major hiring as new owner. Mularkey has spent the last four seasons with the Falcons, overseeing the development of quarterback Matt Ryan since the Falcons drafted Ryan third overall in 2008. Ryan threw for 4,177 yards and 29 touchdowns this past season, both career highs.

Mularkey actually interviewed for the position on Tuesday, according to the report, after Atlanta was eliminated from the playoffs by the New York Giants on Sunday in a 24-2 loss in the wild-card round.

Mularkey’s first priorities will be assembling a staff and meeting with quarterback Blaine Gabbert, who just finished his rookie season. Gabbert started 14 games for the Jaguars, throwing for 2,214 yards with 12 touchdowns and 11 interceptions while helping guide the Jaguars to a 5-11 record.

Mularkey becomes the fourth head coach in Jacksonville's 17-year history. He replaces interim coach Mel Tucker, who went 2-3 over the final five games of the season after Jack Del Rio was fired by former majority owner Wayne Weaver in late November.

Del Rio was 68-71 in eight-plus seasons with the Jaguars, taking them to the postseason twice and going 1-2 in the playoffs.

Much like he did with Ryan in Atlanta, Mularkey will be looked upon to groom Gabbert, who was drafted 10th overall in last year's draft.

The Times-Union reported that Mularkey was also scheduled to interview for the Miami Dolphins' head-coach opening this week. Mularkey coached in Miami the two seasons before going to Atlanta.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 11, 2012, 08:13:04 am
In other words, if Mularkey s**tcans the Jags' current QB coach, he's probably headed to Chicago to be Tice's passing coordinator and work with Cutler.

Yuck.  When was the last time the Jags had a good passing game or good play from the QB position? 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 11, 2012, 08:52:15 am
that is one reason they are bringing in Mularky so that he can help develop Blaine Gabbert.
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Post by: yapper on January 11, 2012, 08:58:29 am
that is one reason they are bringing in Mularky so that he can help develop Blaine Gabbert.

I could see that, because Tice's buddy sure couldn't do anything with Gabbert.  He was brutal.

And David Garrard on his best days was barely passable...  pun intended.

I really don't see a guy with that kind of track record helping Cutler (or this offense) much at all.  Cutler has already been saddled with two OCs and two QB coaches who were bad fits.  Eff what anyone wants to say about the Bears D...  Cutler is the future of this franchise and whatever it takes to make him happy and productive, we need to do.
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Post by: boogie on January 11, 2012, 10:13:13 am
On ESPN radio yesterday they were saying they should just get Cutlers best friend from high school or college and let him be the qb coach.  LOL
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 11, 2012, 05:00:17 pm
Lots of speculation today that the reason Jeff Fisher is waffling on his decision is cause he wants to see if the Colts gig opens up.

People saying that's the job he really wants but if for some reason the new GM keeps Caldwell then the Rams and Fins are his fallbacks.
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Post by: Dave23 on January 12, 2012, 02:51:28 pm
I was wondering if he was waiting on a call from the Raiders...
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Post by: navigator on January 12, 2012, 03:23:05 pm
I think I would either go to Indy(Manning/Luck) or STL (Bradford).
They both have a better QB situation.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 13, 2012, 12:16:37 am
I was wondering if he was waiting on a call from the Raiders...

 Fisher with Da Raiduhs would be lights out in the AFC West.

 Uncle Al is dead so he couldnt fire him after 8 games.  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 13, 2012, 08:04:02 am
I'm pretty sure the new GM in Oakland is gonna bring in one of his buddies from Green Bay to be the HC.

Anyone that interviews in Oakland and isn't currently with the Packers is probably wasting his time.

Plus, Fisher has said he wants to go to a team with a "stable" QB situation and I'm not sure that's the case in Oakland right now.
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Post by: boogie on January 13, 2012, 08:51:09 am
IF the Colts job is a possibility, and IF Luck is the next Peyton Manning, who wouldnt want to jump on that job?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 13, 2012, 09:47:09 am
I am really really really tired of hearing about Andrew Luck.

It's to the point I'm hoping he's a bust so that all those people can eat crow.

I would LMAO if the best QB from this draft class turned out to be some schmoe taken in the 4th round. 
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Post by: Keysbear on January 13, 2012, 10:47:01 am
Shades of "The most NFL ready QB in the draft"..Cade McNown
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on January 13, 2012, 10:47:38 am
Luck had a great OC...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 13, 2012, 10:52:47 am
Luck also had two guys on his OL who are consensus Top 20 draft picks, as well as the consensus best receiving TE of this year's class.  He had better be preparing for a serious drop-off in the quality of his supporting cast once he gets to the NFL.  Oh yeah and he played in perfect weather most of his college career, in a defense-challenged conference.

It will be very interesting to see whether Luck or RGIII winds up having the better NFL career.

As for Matt Barkley and Landry Jones, they may wind up wishing they had entered this year.  In the right scenario, Luck and RGIII could be taken 1-2 and that would mean Barkley and Jones wouldn't be far behind with other teams potentially panicing and trading up to get a QB themselves.  Whereas now, they're going to be just two more faces in a 2013 class that could get pretty crowded. 

Personally, if I were advising the Bears on a developmental QB prospect, I'd have them take a good long look at the Foles kid out of Arizona. He's pro-sized (6'5 240) and can really spin the ball.  He is miles ahead of Enderle as far as physical tools and learning curve.  I would not be at all surprised if he winds up being one of the best QBs to come out of this class.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 13, 2012, 03:12:27 pm
Looks like Jeff Fisher is headin for St. Louee.

Guess he got tired of waiting to see if the Indy job opened up.  Or maybe he has inside info that it won't.

The next thing to watch with the Rams is what they do with that #2 pick.  Do they take Kalil or Blackmon and get the stud LT or WR that they desperately need...  or do they trade down with someone who's hot for RGIII and acquire more quality picks (which they also desperately need)?
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Post by: navigator on January 13, 2012, 03:31:34 pm
If you are at the top of the draft and can get a franchise QB,LT,DE or DT I think you have to take them.
As we have seen a franchise QB can make a decent team a competitor (CHI,INDY,DET etc).
A good line can make a decent QB better.
You get a good OL and a good QB they can make average WR and RB look good.
A pass rusher can lift a whole defense to another level.

There are some WR that are worth it but for every Calvin Johnson there is a Mike Williams and Roy Williams.

ST has the QB, they have got to protect him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 13, 2012, 03:32:45 pm
I am really really really tired of hearing about Andrew Luck.

It's to the point I'm hoping he's a bust so that all those people can eat crow.

I would LMAO if the best QB from this draft class turned out to be some schmoe taken in the 4th round. 

I agree 100%.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 13, 2012, 03:37:27 pm
There are some WR that are worth it but for every Calvin Johnson there is a Mike Williams and Roy Williams.

ST has the QB, they have got to protect him.


If the Rams stay at #2 and take Kalil, it puts a big crimp in the Vikings' plans as he is almost assuredly Minny's top target.

I expect in that scenario they either go with Claiborne at #3, or try to trade down a few spots to a team hungry for RGIII.  Blackmon at 3 is not a smart choice for them as he is nowhere close to the 3rd best player in the draft, nor is WR nearly as desperate a need for the Vikings as they have at some other positions (including CB).
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 13, 2012, 03:54:51 pm
Fins fans are learning what Bears fans have known for years, i.e.: when your GM is an incompetent a-hole, you're not gonna pull the big names.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/13/irelands-role-ultimately-sent-fisher-to-st-louis/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 13, 2012, 07:26:28 pm
Rumor on a Washington DC Radio update....

Manning and Saturday package going to the Skins.  Nothing mentioned about what would be returned.  This was in one of the quick updates coming from a commercial break back into the Lavar and Duke show.
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Post by: Sportster on January 13, 2012, 08:17:28 pm
That...would be freaking unbelievable if they made that move. Manning IS the Colts and Saturday IS his protection. I would find it hard to believe they'd make that move and trade him....anything's possible but wow....
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Post by: Phill23 on January 13, 2012, 08:25:57 pm
Interesting.....
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 13, 2012, 10:33:44 pm
and Bears special teams coach Dave Toub.

Ouch. Toub to be HC for the Fins? No Bueno.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on January 13, 2012, 10:37:47 pm
I dont think they can trade players right now, can they?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 14, 2012, 08:01:11 am
Colts would certainly get the Skins 1st this year (6th overall), also likely next years 1st or this years 2nd..

Colts could rebuild in a hurry if Luck panned out and their new GM uses those extra picks well.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 14, 2012, 10:23:53 am
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I dont think they can trade players right now, can they?

I think that is only during Super Bowl week that team major announcements can not take place.  This is to keep the focus on the teams playing the game and not on other teams around the league that week.

But I am not sure either.  I don't even think it would happen anyway until it was closer to paying that bonus or the draft.
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Post by: yapper on January 14, 2012, 12:23:04 pm
If anyone's got the scratch to take on Manning's contract, it would be Danny Snyder.
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Post by: BearHit on January 14, 2012, 03:07:32 pm
If I was Snyder, I would pay Drew Brees whatever it takes to make him Rex Grossman's Apollo Creed...

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Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 03:52:09 pm
The 49ers D is laying the wood on the Saints.  The Saints have already lost Graham and Thomas.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 04:20:48 pm
17-0 Niners.  Saints are being dominated so far.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 14, 2012, 04:21:29 pm
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7455943/believing-tim-tebow

A Tebow article that everyone should read...you can love him or hate him as a football player but as a person they don't come any better.
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Post by: yapper on January 14, 2012, 05:32:21 pm
First time I've seen the Niners all year and I'm impressed.  I still don's see a SuperBowl QB in Alex Smith but there is definitely talent on that team and Harbaugh's quality coaching is clearly in evidence in all phases of the game.

Props also to the Candlestick grounds crew.  I've never seen that field look better, especially this time of year.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 14, 2012, 05:43:29 pm
I think thats a testiment to the warm weather we've had throughout December and into January
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 14, 2012, 05:46:10 pm
This Niners team actually reminds me a lot of the 85 Bears.
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Post by: packrat on January 14, 2012, 05:57:28 pm
I'm really concerned about the Packers game tomorrow.  The Giants are hot and the Packers have had injuries on the O-Line.  I hope that Clifton can stay healthy and the line can gel after all the substituting.

If Grant plays like he did the past couple of weeks it will help.

Should be a tough battle. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2012, 05:58:08 pm
Niners are a better team than I had thought.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 05:59:59 pm
I wouldn't go that far yapper.

I am impressed with their D for todays rules that help the offense though.

Sorry packrat I am rooting for the Giants all the way.  GO GIANTS!!!
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Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 06:02:18 pm
I am rooting for all of the dogs though.

Niners, Broncos, Texans and Giants.
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Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 06:03:00 pm
This has been a really good game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2012, 06:04:41 pm
I wouldn't go that far yapper.

I am impressed with their D for todays rules that help the offense though.

Sorry packrat I am rooting for the Giants all the way.  GO GIANTS!!!

I know.   :-(
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 06:06:03 pm
A Broncos/Niners SB with Denver winning it all would make my day.

I kind of like Tebow. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 06:30:52 pm
Great defensive series by the Niners.  Justin Smith is a beast!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 07:01:23 pm
What a game!

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Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 07:04:29 pm
That was sick!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 07:04:45 pm
Oh and the Niners are no 85 Bears...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 07:05:01 pm
Whoever wins this game will destroy Green Bay.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 07:11:37 pm
WOW!


35-32 Niners.  9 seconds left each has one time out.  Niners kicking to the Saints.

Fantastic game!
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Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 07:17:47 pm
NINERS WIN!!!

36-32.

If the Giants can't beat the Packers I am sure the Niners will.

Now come on Broncos!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 07:18:08 pm
I love me some football.

Too bad the Bears sucked it up this year!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 14, 2012, 07:18:38 pm
Well......they were going to drink in NOLA tonight to remember.  Now they'll drink to forget.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 14, 2012, 07:49:22 pm
I think you can judge by the talent on the field tonight how far the Bears are behind times.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 07:59:19 pm
The current Bears could not hang with either of those teams.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2012, 08:50:55 pm
I saw it but I don't believe it.  Niners really that tough?

Or is it the usual fold by NO in play-off away games?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 09:30:38 pm
The Saints have a way better O-line then the Packers.

If the Packers get by the Giants the Niners will kill Rodgers.

Did you see the one sack where Brees legs were all splayed out different directions?  I was shocked he did not blow out a knee or tear something.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2012, 09:31:15 pm
The Saints D is better then the Packers also.
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Post by: yapper on January 14, 2012, 10:05:03 pm
Pretty hard to ignore the fact that the teams winning playoff games are routinely scoring 35 points. Until our O gets to that level, we can't hang.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 14, 2012, 11:02:45 pm

 One upset and one as predicted.

 Then there's tomorrow.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 15, 2012, 02:14:40 am
I think your hatred for the Pack has blinded you to how good that offense is Peke. Their D is terrible,yes but that offense is unreal. We'll see how well they play tommorrow vs Giants. I am glad the 9ers won. Saints been there too much,time for someone else. And alas, Broncos got steamrolled by another team I'd love to see sit for awhile in the Patsies.....
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2012, 06:22:54 am
Pretty hard to ignore the fact that the teams winning playoff games are routinely scoring 35 points. Until our O gets to that level, we can't hang.

I honestly believe we could be at that level with one or two more offensive weapons if only we fixed that OLine. With Ruskell that wont get done. Cuttler can pick apart a defense if given satisfactory protection. He cant running for his life or laying on the ground.
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Post by: boogie on January 15, 2012, 07:26:44 am
Pretty hard to ignore the fact that the teams winning playoff games are routinely scoring 35 points. Until our O gets to that level, we can't hang.

We did have that stretch of games where we averaged 32 or so points.  But I totally agree we desperately need OL help and a #1 WR. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on January 15, 2012, 09:09:13 am
What a difference in coaching between Singletary and Harbaugh.

I didn't think Harbaugh could do this with no NFL experiance.
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Post by: chifaninva on January 15, 2012, 10:56:27 am
Too bad we couldn't have gotten a Harbaugh for head coach. Instead, we have Lovie.. Lucky us!
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Post by: 46 on January 15, 2012, 12:47:25 pm
Seems to be lots and lots of tight ends catching passes. huh.  Go figure.
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Post by: packrat on January 15, 2012, 02:28:01 pm
TEs the wave of the future.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2012, 02:46:20 pm
We did have that stretch of games where we averaged 32 or so points.  But I totally agree we desperately need OL help and a #1 WR. 

Absolutely agree
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 15, 2012, 03:00:48 pm
I guess  that I don't get the gist of this article.  It seems obvious that some fans showed up to shovel the stadium seats and parked randomly, since there was so musch wide open space.  Looks fine to me.
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Post by: Pekin on January 15, 2012, 03:09:26 pm
Actually I believe the parking lot was covered in snow when they parked which is why they are all over the place.  They probably could not see the lines. 

That is my guess anyway.  Either that or they don;t know how to park.
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Post by: packrat on January 16, 2012, 08:20:43 pm
Posted by Josh Alper on January 16, 2012, 6:02 PM EST
 
AP
The Packers are done a bit earlier than they expected and that means their assistant coaches are now available for interviews with other clubs.
 
Offensive coordinator Joe Philbin is one of those assistants and the Buccaneers are interested in speaking to him about their head coaching vacancy. Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported Monday that the team asked for permission to interview Philbin and Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times reports that they have received that permission from the Packers...

Bittersweet.
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Post by: Pekin on January 16, 2012, 08:23:57 pm
After losing his son I wouldn't think he would be thinking real clear right now.  If it was me I would be wanting to spend more time with my family not less.  But then some people sink themselves into work when they are sad.
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Post by: 46 on January 16, 2012, 08:27:16 pm
He may also want to get everyone away from the area.  Too many reminders.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 16, 2012, 11:27:03 pm
TEs the wave of the future.

 Packy you have your shiiit wired on this subject. N.E. moved the ball forward about what T.E.'s can do.

 Gronkowski as a WR and Hernandez as a RB.

 Outside of Walker N.E. has shiiity WR's and RB's.

 N.E. has moved the ball into new territory.
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Post by: yapper on January 17, 2012, 08:36:26 am
N.E. has moved the ball into new territory.

As they always do.  Another reason we need to steal that guy off their staff to be our new GM.

Anyone who can bring even a little of the "Patriot Way" to the hot mess that is Halas Hall, is worth their weight in gold.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 17, 2012, 01:56:39 pm
Colts HC Caldwell fired.

I wonder if Fisher wishes he would have held out for the Indy gig?

As for the Colts...  they'll draft Luck, trade Manning for a sh*tload of picks, rebuild their roster and be right back up there with the elite by 2014.  The question of course now is, who will the coaches be?
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Post by: wmljohn on January 17, 2012, 02:46:24 pm
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Anyone who can bring even a little of the "Patriot Way" to the hot mess that is Halas Hall, is worth their weight in gold.

If you don't believe yapper just task Notre Dame...

And that's a lot of GOLD!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 19, 2012, 12:47:00 am
 The fuuuuking final four and N.E. is there again ... AGAIN.

  The fuuuukin piiisserer is they just outsmarted 30 other NFL teams.

 I hope the Giants win again.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2012, 10:15:07 am
It wouldnt shock me if Caldwell got a gig with the Bears somehow
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Post by: yapper on January 19, 2012, 10:23:28 am
Yeah, we do seem to have quite a knack for attracting other teams' failures.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2012, 10:29:23 am
I dont know Caldwell's background prior to being Colt's HC to know if he has some talent. I think he was a defensive coach
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Post by: Phill23 on January 19, 2012, 10:59:31 am
Yeah, we do seem to have quite a knack for attracting other teams' failures.

He had a winning record as a head coach last I heard.  How is he a failure? 

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Post by: chifaninva on January 19, 2012, 11:10:08 am
His coaching background is on the offensive side (QB coach) of the ball. Dungy was retiring and wanted to see a black coach replace him. I've said forever, hire someone based on their abilities and skills, not the color of their skin. There may be a place for him on this staff...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 19, 2012, 11:10:55 am
Did Dungy say that?   Or is that your opinion.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2012, 11:15:43 am
Dungy and Lovie are close friends so it wouldnt surprise me that Lovie hires Caldwell
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on January 19, 2012, 11:19:49 am
Or is that your opinion.

Doesn't matter, if you don't like it, too bad! Obviously the Colts felt it was a mistake..
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Post by: BearHit on January 19, 2012, 12:32:53 pm
RACE CARD

RACE CARD

RACE CARD
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Post by: BearHit on January 19, 2012, 12:33:24 pm
And he was also GHEY
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 19, 2012, 02:49:57 pm
Or is that your opinion.

Doesn't matter, if you don't like it, too bad! Obviously the Colts felt it was a mistake..

Calm down dude.  I just asked if that's your opinion because I NEVER read anything about Dungy wanting Caldwell to replace him because of his skin color.

If he said so I just wanted a link of some sort.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 19, 2012, 07:07:23 pm
Or is that your opinion.
 Obviously the Colts felt it was a mistake..

LOL!!!  That sounds like something beerfan bob mccumbers would say.  Caldwell led them to the Super Bowl and if not for a pick 6 by the great Peyton he'd have a ring on his finger.  But "obviously" the Colts felt it was a mistake!  :)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on January 19, 2012, 07:28:39 pm
Why fire him if it wasn't a mistake? It was all Manning, the whole time..

I think Caldwell is a good guy, It would be fine with me if Lovie could get him as QB coach..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 19, 2012, 07:45:14 pm
I'm sure he was fired because they're getting a new GM and I'm sure he'll want his own guy in there.  Not because "it was a mistake".

Manning the whole time?  No credit to his receivers, RB's, TE, offensive line, and their defense?

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on January 20, 2012, 05:16:12 am
Manning ran the O, called alot of his own plays. The difference when we played them in the SB was QB's..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 20, 2012, 11:55:32 am
And injuries to Mike Brown & Tommie Harris helped out too.  Still say the Bears would've beaten them if they were healthy.

And I'm not the type to give a QB ALL the credit when the personnel around him caught his passes, had good RB's, and the defense held the opposition down.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 20, 2012, 06:47:29 pm
And injuries to Mike Brown & Tommie Harris helped out too.  Still say the Bears would've beaten them if they were healthy.

And I'm not the type to give a QB ALL the credit when the personnel around him caught his passes, had good RB's, and the defense held the opposition down.

 It was raining ... in theory we should have won that one being an outdoor team.

 Cedric Benson bailed after being hit.

 Grossman couldnt keep a slippery wet ball in his hands.

 Manning cleaned up on us with the rookie Addai in short dumpoffs.

 That was the game.
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Post by: packrat on January 20, 2012, 07:11:11 pm
Posted by Michael David Smith on January 20, 2012, 6:37 PM EST
 
AP
Joe Philbin is the next head coach of the Miami Dolphins.
 
The Dolphins made the decision to hire Philbin as their next coach today, multiple media outlets reported late Friday afternoon.
 
Philbin had been the Packers’ offensive coordinator, and his personal story overshadowed football when his son died last week. After mourning his son during the week, Philbin was there with his team at Lambeau Field on Sunday.
 
Now Philbin takes over a Dolphins franchise that has major question marks, particularly at quarterback. But there’s no question that Philbin is a coach who knows how to implement a strong passing game.
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 20, 2012, 08:19:56 pm
As packers foe, I like the fact he is moving on plus Flynn probably goes with him.  Its like 2 for 1.  Leaves the Pack with 2 holes to fill.
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Post by: packrat on January 20, 2012, 10:47:59 pm
I have honest hopes for Harrel.
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Post by: Pekin on January 20, 2012, 10:51:16 pm
Don't forget the Raiders will be stealing coaches, front office people and free agent players as well.

Having two teams being led up by ex Packers will take it's toll.  They escaped the purge last year due to no off season.  It hits doubly hard this year I guess.
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Post by: dallasbear on January 21, 2012, 11:44:42 am

I have hojnest hopes for Harrel.

Yes, I too hope that Harrell gets lots and lots of action in 2012.  But those Tech QBs are system guys that never do much once in the NFL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 21, 2012, 01:58:06 pm
Sometimes it takes a couple of years of intensive training to get a rookie QB on track.  Only a few are naturals.

Then, of course there are the Brohms.  It doesn't usually take long to find that out, though.
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Post by: Sportster on January 22, 2012, 02:03:50 am
So we could end up with Harbaugh vs Harbaugh....Ravens vs 9ers. That would have to be a first I'd think....Giants vs Pats..didn't that happen once already???
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 22, 2012, 02:38:56 am
So we could end up with Harbaugh vs Harbaugh....Ravens vs 9ers. That would have to be a first I'd think....Giants vs Pats..didn't that happen once already???

 Giants vs. Pats in the past ... best Superbowl ever Sporty.  :D
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Post by: Sportster on January 22, 2012, 08:14:11 pm
Freakin' Patsies.....tired of seeing them in it....hope whoever wins on the NFC side lights their butts up in the SB.......
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Post by: yapper on January 22, 2012, 09:40:49 pm
Man... I am really not excited about a Patriots / Giants rematch at all but I guess that's what we're left with.

Too bad for the Niners...   they have a world class defense but their offense needs a lot of work. They couldn't buy a 3rd down conversion tonight and it came back to bite them. #10 for the Niners is gonna be crucified in the San Fran press for losing them the game and he probably deserves it, but what it really comes down to is that Eli Manning is a pretty good QB and Alex Smith really isn't.

Say what you want about defense, run game etc. but the two teams with the better QBs won today.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 22, 2012, 09:47:08 pm
Was thinking the exact same thing, Yapp. The sole difference between those two teams, Giants/9ers, was the QB. Nearly identical in every other area. Alex Smith was terrible when it mattered most, constantly throwing the ball away or at the feet of his recievers. Hate this rematch, too.....sucks.....
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Post by: Pekin on January 22, 2012, 10:00:30 pm
Hate the re-match as well.  I was hoping for Niners Ravens SB.

Oh well no big deal it isn't the Bears or Packers so who cares.  I will still have my party and eat and drink.

Does any one else think the Niners return man either was in trouble with the mob or had money on the Giants?

That guy **** up royally not once but twice!

He gave the Giants the game.





Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 22, 2012, 10:51:26 pm
Was he the one that fumbled AND hit the ball on his leg?
I'll bet this is one low ratings SB. Who wants to see 07' part two? Especially with Brady in it AGAIN? We need a Pats rule. If you've been there too freakin' much, you can't go again....for 30 years....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 22, 2012, 10:53:54 pm
QB play was critical in both games but honestly it was ST screwups that decided them both.
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Post by: chifaninva on January 23, 2012, 04:55:45 am
I don't care for the match up either. Gotta give credit to the Giants though, their season was looking dismal and Caughlin was able to pull that team together. Decent football yesterday, but most of all I hate that the Pat's are in..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2012, 07:00:45 am
Gotta prop the Giants. They are a better team than the Bears were even at full strength. They deserved to be in the playoffs and they made the most of it.
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Post by: davebear on January 23, 2012, 08:01:26 am
The 49ers return guy is the son of the Sox general manager Ken Williams.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2012, 08:10:03 am
I still just shake my head that Alex Smith was a #1 overall draft pick.  Granted he's not a Leaf or a Jamarcus Russel, but seriously?  At least those two guys looked the part.  I just don't see what scouts saw in Smith coming out.

The dude at best is Kyle Orton with better wheels.  He is NOT a franchise QB.

The Niners WR corps is worthless as well.  If they didn't have Vernon Davis they wouldn't have any passing game at all.  Crabtree was a high 1st round pick and he was invisible yesterday.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on January 23, 2012, 08:59:56 am
WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?

Gotta feel bad for John Harbaugh and the Ravens - they are in the playoffs every year - but can't get to the big game
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2012, 09:06:24 am
The Ravens are a lot like the Niners.  Really good D but just not enough O to get over the top against the elite teams in their conference. Flacco is a much better QB than Alex Smith but you still wonder if he's the guy that can really get it done for them when everything is on the line.

When the Patriots D plays like they did yesterday they are an almost impossible team to beat. Brady threw 2 picks and they still won the game. Vince Wilfork was a 1-man wrecking crew on the Pats DL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 23, 2012, 10:21:46 am
I was thinking last night..... Eli could win more SuperBowls than Peyton at a much younger age.
I know Eli isn't as good as Peyton but they have really good balance.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2012, 10:23:11 am
Lack of D on those Colts teams cost Peyton some critical postseason games over the years.

I was amazed yesterday when they showed the graphic that Peyton has a career postseason record of only 9-11. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 23, 2012, 10:24:08 am

That, and someone named Tom Brady.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2012, 10:37:54 am
Crabtree was a high 1st round pick and he was invisible yesterday.

Ding! Ding! Ding! I kept looking for them to go to him and he was invisible. Good call
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on January 23, 2012, 10:41:28 am
Talk about scouting and the such, how the **** does a QB like Brady stay on the board 'til the sixth... WTF..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on January 23, 2012, 10:43:23 am
And Big Ben...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/20/big-ben-settles-lake-tahoe-lawsuit/


Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2012, 10:44:36 am
I was wondering that too yesterday.

Angelo was pulling a paycheck from the Bears for, what, 9 or 10 years and in all that time, with all those scouts working under him he couldn't find us a single Victor Cruz or Danny Woodhead.

There's 4th and 5th rounders on the Pats, Giants and Ravens who are better players than Angelo's 1st and 2nd rounders ever were.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on January 23, 2012, 10:51:00 am
Angelo needed to be fired, too bad he didn't take his coach with him..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 23, 2012, 10:52:13 am
Knox was a good value for 5th round and Bennett was a solid 3rd rounder - but neither are true #1s.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2012, 11:03:34 am
Angelo's best draft pick in terms of return-on-value is probably either Knox or Hester.

A lot of us here (myself included) wondered what the heck we were doing to spend a 2nd rounder on a guy without a position but I'd say that pick has turned out pretty well for us.  Even if Lovie short-circuited Hester's career potential with the whole WR fiasco.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 23, 2012, 11:11:07 am

...which was preceded by the cornerback fiasco.

I think most of us don't have any issues inserting Hester in for a dozen plays a game but he's just too inconsistent to be counted on as a starter.

Bears need 2 WRs - definitely a #1 guy and maybe another #3 guy hoping that either Knox or Bennett can emerge as a #2.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on January 23, 2012, 11:23:37 am
That's if Knox can return healthy..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2012, 01:11:45 pm
Bears need 2 WRs - definitely a #1 guy and maybe another #3 guy hoping that either Knox or Bennett can emerge as a #2.

Bennett strikes me as a solid #2.  That's the only one of the 3 WR spots we're really set at, and only then if he can stay healthy.

We need the #1 no question.  A guy 6'3 at least with enough speed to get open and a willingness to fight for the ball.  I look for that to be either our big-money FA acquisition or our 1st round draft pick this offseason.

If Knox can't come back then we've got a whole nother set of problems as we will need to replace him with a #3 / speed guy who can stretch the D... unless Tice is gonna keep deploying Hester as a WR.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2012, 01:17:03 pm
I dont care how many WRs you get, you wont fix the offense without a solid LOT.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2012, 01:23:31 pm
I dont care how many WRs you get, you wont fix the offense without a solid LOT.

Yeah... even with Cutler and Forte healthy the Bears offense wouldn't have had a prayer against either the Niners or the Giants yesterday. Those two DLs were bringing some serious pressure all game long.  If Eli wound up being sacked 6 or 7 times, Cutler would have been on the ground 10 or 11 times at least.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2012, 01:35:01 pm
You need to get that LOT one way or another. Sad to have to say that. The truth hurts.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 23, 2012, 01:54:55 pm

I have just done some basic mock draft snooping.  Some mocks have us taking the OSU tackle Adams other sites have us taking either of the WRs out of Notre Dame or South Carolina.

To me those 2 positions are most likely in round 1, but DE and CB may also be considered.

Assuming Tice stays, his support or lack thereof of J'Marcus Webb may be the biggest factor in where we go in round 1.  Of course, free agency will also be a factor.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2012, 02:37:32 pm
Seems to me our odds of success in drafting a quality LT and getting a WR in FA are higher than vice versa.

Teams don't let starting LTs go easily (or cheaply), and when they do it's usually for a good reason (see Orlando Pace).

In other words, drafting Mike Adams and signing Colston or Vincent Jackson would put us a lot farther ahead of the curve than drafting Michael Floyd or Alshon Jeffery and signing a veteran LT.  IMO.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2012, 02:51:21 pm
Assuming Tice stays, his support or lack thereof of J'Marcus Webb may be the biggest factor in where we go in round 1. 

Agreed. Tice has spent time around some pretty darn good O-Linemen...  maybe not so much in Jacksonville, but definitely while he was with the Vikings.

On top of which, he is a former QB and he knows that if Jay Cutler sustains a third season taking as much physical abuse as he has the last 2, it could very well mean the end of both of them in Chicago.  So I would say Tice will be "highly motivated" to have better play at the LT position this coming season...  and that he will not be willing to gamble everything on J'Marcus again unless he really sees something there that most of us don't.

This assumes of course that the new GM doesn't overrule Tice, and/or that Lovie doesn't overrule both of them once we actually get on the clock.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 23, 2012, 02:51:21 pm
I don't care for the match up either. Gotta give credit to the Giants though, their season was looking dismal and Caughlin was able to pull that team together. Decent football yesterday, but most of all I hate that the Pat's are in..

It also goes to show you how weak the NFC may have been all along this season.  The Giants has to be the most inconsistent team I've seen in years but they are on their way to the Super Bowl.  Surely we all can agree that the 29ers, Saints, and Packed are far better than the Giants but didn't perform like it in the playoffs.  Maybe those 3 teams were just simply overrated.

With that said I can't see how the Giants can beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2012, 02:54:58 pm
With that said I can't see how the Giants can beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. 

Agreed.  The Pats showed me something yesterday I haven't seen from them very often...  a tough, fast, physical and opportunistic DEFENSE that doesn't give up a lot of easy yards.  Vince Wilfork was just a beast and don't think the Giants' OL is as good as the Ravens OL so that has to be making Giants fans a little nervous. 

If the Pats show up with that D and Brady is on his "A" game...  should be a Lombardi Trophy heading to Foxboro.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2012, 03:02:54 pm
It also goes to show you how weak the NFC may have been all along this season.  The Giants has to be the most inconsistent team I've seen in years but they are on their way to the Super Bowl.  Surely we all can agree that the 29ers, Saints, and Packed are far better than the Giants but didn't perform like it in the playoffs.  Maybe those 3 teams were just simply overrated.

With that said I can't see how the Giants can beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. 

I wouldnt go that far. Its the NFL.  On any given day ........ The Giants got a pass rush, something the Bears dont have.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on January 23, 2012, 03:09:41 pm
If Alshon Jeffery is the second coming of Calvin Johnson, he sure would be hard to pass up. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2012, 03:38:52 pm
Jeffery is a freak in terms of the sheer size and physicality that he brings to the position.  He is not quite as fast as Calvin Johnson, but he is nearly as big and plays more aggressively than CJ.  And he absolutely dominated his bowl game this year.

His stock has suffered from a college season where he did not meet expectations, stat-wise (49 for 762 and 8 TDs which is only half the yardage he had the season before).  What people are forgetting is that their first-string QB (who wasn't that good to begin with) was released midseason, on top of which they have a very good RB who was the focus of the offense.

There are also some conditioning / motivation concerns as some thought he played a bit TOO heavy this last season.

I think Jeffery is one of those guys for whom the combine will mean everything. If he shows up in shape, runs a good 40 for his size and gives great interviews he could easily be the 2nd WR off the board after Blackmon and before Floyd.  OTOH if those things don't happen, a slide toward the bottom of the 1st or even into the 2nd is possible.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 23, 2012, 09:46:59 pm
I don't care for either team and am annoyed this is a repeat of 07', but I do hope once again that the Giants beat the Patsies. I hate them......
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 24, 2012, 12:04:23 am

 THE CHICAGO BEARS  

 Are not in the SUPERBOWL. Thats the only thing that piiiissses me off.

 The rest is meaningless.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 24, 2012, 06:14:39 am
The Ravens were within a dropped catch in the endzone of moving ahead.  They stood toe to toe the whole game with the Pats...The Pats actually looked more like a team, than Tom Brady and the Pussycats, I give them credit.  Ray Lewis looked sloooowww.  Won't tell that to his face.

The AFC game was really a better game than the NFC, but I think the NFC was the superior conference.  But, crazy things happen and here you have it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on January 24, 2012, 06:42:57 am
Playoff game preparation is more intense than regular season stuff...

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 24, 2012, 09:08:46 am
The Ravens were within a dropped catch in the endzone of moving ahead.

I only watched a replay or two but it sure appeared to me that the receiver caught the ball and took a couple steps before the ball was stripped. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 24, 2012, 09:16:51 am
I only watched a replay or two but it sure appeared to me that the receiver caught the ball and took a couple steps before the ball was stripped. 

I thought so too.  In fact I was astounded it didn't at least go up for review.  I thought that all you needed was possession and control with both feet down in the endzone and it was a done deal.  Apparently not.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 24, 2012, 09:34:39 am

...not in Foxboro.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: MikeyWidds on January 24, 2012, 10:34:35 am
Awww waaahhh...

Cry me a river all the way to Jay Cutler's unwanted offspring.

Maybe next year, your team can put something together and make it to the championship.

Wait, maybe next DECADE.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 24, 2012, 01:27:18 pm
Unwanted? Hmmm! Who says that?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on January 24, 2012, 01:51:29 pm
maybe if it is a GURL
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 24, 2012, 03:26:17 pm
If anyone wants to get the skinny on how Senior Bowl players are looking in practice, this is a great Website that has daily reports:

http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2012practice1.php
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 24, 2012, 04:21:38 pm
I hate the Colts...  but how things are playing out down in Indy is really kind of fascinating:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/24/colts-keep-peyton-in-the-dark-on-coaching-search/

It certainly looks like Peyton Manning has played his last down in a Colts uni, if not in the league.  They are blowing things up in Indy and starting from scratch and it doesn't look like Manning is part of their rebuilding plans.

I'm not a big fan of Peyton but he is (was?) the definition of a "franchise QB" and he has one of the best football minds of my generation. If this is the end of his playing days I can see a very successful coaching career ahead of him should he choose to go that route.   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 24, 2012, 05:04:27 pm
Alot of UT fans down here are erecting shrines and lighting candles in the hope he could end up the head coach @ UT.  I tell ya, these SEC schools are completely gonzo when it comes to football.  Saban is a monster to everybody but its ok. Why? Because he not only wins national championships but takes care of Auburn as well.  Don't be suprised if there is a Penn State type nuclear bomb at an SEC school.  Bound to happen.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 24, 2012, 09:29:39 pm
Maybe the Bears hire Peyton as Tice's passing coordinator and the QB coach LOL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 25, 2012, 06:13:01 am
and he could back up Culter?!  Interesting prospect  :)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 25, 2012, 06:18:38 am
On the Raven's drop, I wish I could hear the interpretation of the rule.  At the very minimum, it should have been reviewed.  I think it was the right call, but then again, I don't know the exact read of that rule.  Had the same play occurred at the 35 yard line, would it have been considered incomplete?  I think so.  Do the rules change in the endzone - that I don't know.  To me, Megatron's non catch against us was more of a touchdown than that drop.

But, he should have held on to that ball.  Tough break for the Ravens
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on January 25, 2012, 08:51:08 am
I was the same way, surprised it wasn't at least reviewed..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: MikeyWidds on January 25, 2012, 09:13:21 am
You have to have control of the ball and two feet down for a completed pass.  Evans didn't meet that criteria.

It was ruled an incomplete pass, them's the rules.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 25, 2012, 09:27:18 am
The only thing I could see on super slo-mo replay is that the ball may have come out a millisecond before Evans had his 2nd foot down. 

But it was really really close.  Close enough to at least warrant a review, IMO.  If you're not going to use video review on a play with that much potential impact on a game of that significance, then what's the point of having it at all?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 25, 2012, 11:02:21 pm

 Go back and look at the GIANTS - PACKERS game.

 The REFS did all they could to hand that game to the packers.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 26, 2012, 08:43:14 am
I thought the same thing.  Whole lotta grabbin goin on, no whistles at all.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 26, 2012, 10:32:39 am
Poor job by the officials.  Not the first time this crew has done a poor job.  I don't believe that it was bias, just incompetence.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 26, 2012, 11:00:32 am
Basically anymore it seems like there's Hochuli, who's on the ball most of the time.

And then you've got a couple of just horrific refs, like that black guy that lisps that did a couple Bears games.

Those are the ends of the continuum.  And then the rest of the guys and their crews are just at higher or lower levels of mediocrity.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 27, 2012, 11:51:02 am
This is pretty funny...unless you're a Ravens fan

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/expect-delivery-billy-cundiff-jersey-wide-left-080349417.html
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on January 30, 2012, 06:56:43 am
WTF?

http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/23479/Hillenmeyer-battles-Bears--NFL-over-lost-benefits--salary/Default.aspx

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 30, 2012, 06:59:44 am
Yep. the guy who knocked the ball out to help the Bears win the last time against gb.  Funny how "family" doesn't enter into it when it come to money. And he's right. the league is all about owners making a killing. not a living, a killing.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 30, 2012, 07:58:52 am
Also don't forget that Hillenmeyer was the union rep for the Bears players when all the pre-lockout ugliness was going down.

Don't think for a minute that doesn't have something to do with all this.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 30, 2012, 08:00:34 am
What a joke of a Pro Bowl yesterday.

The defensive players might as well have not even made the trip.

Brandon Marshall would sure look good in a Bears uni, though.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 30, 2012, 08:14:19 am
I think so too.  Let's hope.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 30, 2012, 10:00:39 am
In the post game the only QB he mentioned Jay Cutler...

Get it done ! BM would be great......
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 30, 2012, 10:12:29 am
In the post game the only QB he mentioned Jay Cutler...

Get it done ! BM would be great......


If Emery can get that done as his first move, he's off to a great start.  Supposedly Angelo was barred from trading draft picks for players toward the end of his tenure...  but I would assume Emery is under no similar restriction.

The problem is that after that Pro Bowl performance yesterday, the Fins asking price for Marshall may have gone up.   :(
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on January 30, 2012, 10:34:45 am
And they may have Matt Flynn as QB
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 30, 2012, 10:56:04 am
The problem is that after that Pro Bowl performance yesterday, the Fins asking price for Marshall may have gone up.

Gulp! Wouldnt give up a 2nd, maybe a 3rd but thats all.   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 30, 2012, 11:54:42 am
I would make an initial offer to the Fins of the higher of our two 3rds, but if that didn't do the trick I'd be OK giving up our 2nd rounder.

No way we'll find a guy of Marshall's caliber in the 2nd round of the draft, plus there's built-in chemistry with Cutler already.  Judging by the chatter, a Marshall-to-Chicago deal is something that both Marshall and Cutler want to make happen.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on January 30, 2012, 12:14:20 pm
The only question is how old is Marshall?  You dont want to spend a 2nd on someone who only has a couple of years left.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 30, 2012, 12:41:07 pm
You have to admit, it would be a great two years if, and I say if, everyone concerned stayed healthy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 30, 2012, 01:02:41 pm
Don't have time to look up the ages of Marshall, Colston, and Vincent Jackson but I don't think Marshall is more than a couple years older than those other guys.

Jackson is the youngest one IIRC.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 30, 2012, 03:20:05 pm
Marshall will be 28 in March
VJack turned 29 this month
Colston will be 29 in June.

Malcom Floyd whom some mentioned will be 32 this September.
Bowe will be 28 in September.

so basically you can count on 3-4-5 years on all of them except maybe Floyd.
Except for maybe Kickers, QB's and OL I quit counting on guys after 32. There are exceptions but anything over 32 I think of as borrowed time.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 30, 2012, 03:42:44 pm
Colston, Marques    REC    80    YDS    1,143    AVG    14.3    TDS    8    NO
Jackson, Vincent    REC    60    YDS    1,106    AVG    18.4    TDS    9    SD
Marshall, Brandon    REC    81    YDS    1,214    AVG    15.0    TDS    6    MIA

Numbers very similar.  Did I miss something - why are we even considering Marshall will become available?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 30, 2012, 04:05:59 pm
We would have to trade to get Marshall.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 30, 2012, 04:59:43 pm

Yes, but was there any news that the Dolphins would be considering offers for Marshall?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 30, 2012, 05:05:01 pm
No I think it's just speculation / wishful thinking.

Primarily around the fact that Marshall underperformed this year with the Fins, and that he's supposedly tweeted back and forth with Cutler about wanting to re-unite, plus comments before and after the Pro Bowl that were basically a backhanded swipe at the quality of the Dolphins QBs.  And the fact that the Fins have a new HC, a new OC and need some better players, for which a draft pick or two from the Bears could come in handy.

But no, I haven't heard that the Dolphins are entertaining offers for Brandon Marshall.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on January 30, 2012, 07:22:54 pm
81 catches for 1200 yards is underperforming?

Sign me up for a couple of underperforming WR's!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 30, 2012, 09:43:11 pm
Here Here!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 31, 2012, 10:24:47 am
Yep. the guy who knocked the ball out to help the Bears win the last time against gb.  Funny how "family" doesn't enter into it when it come to money. And he's right. the league is all about owners making a killing. not a living, a killing.

The NFL IS a business!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 31, 2012, 10:32:05 am
In slot, Cobb can look to Welker

 
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Indianapolis -- There isn't going to be much change on the Packers' roster this off-season, especially on offense. But as discussed, there is a reasonable chance Green Bay loses its all-time receiving leader, Donald Driver. The team will likely apply the franchise tag to tight end Jermichael Finley, but his long-term status remains unknown.
 
So either way -- for 2012 and beyond -- wide receiver Randall Cobb should play a larger role.
 
And this weekend gives him a chance to study two of the best players at his position. New England's Wes Welker set the standard and undrafted New York receiver Victor Cruz has followed suit this season. Both shine in the slot. That's where the slippery Cobb will most likely excel on offense.

 
In five seasons with the Patriots, Welker has been a trendsetter. Because of him, the slot receiver has become a true weapon for offenses. Not just a supplementary toy.
 
"I think the slot receiver is an integral part of what today’s game is," Welker said. "Understand that if you get stuffed on first down, and you are second-and-10 or second-and-9, you are kind of in position where you need that third receiver to come in and try to make some plays for you and do some different things like that. I think it’s changed a little bit.”
 
In 2007, the Patriots dealt second- and seventh-round picks to the Miami Dolphins and inked Welker to five-year, $18.1 million contract --- a very steep price at the time. Welker had 67 catches for 687 yards and a touchdown in 2006 with Miami. Then, with Tom Brady, he broke out.
 
Belichick realized how dangerous Welker could be in trying to game plan against him.
 
"We doubled him, we played him in different combinations," Belichick said. "He was always the guy we were trying to game plan for, and still couldn’t stop. When we had an opportunity to trade for him, we did that. We felt like he would be a good addition to our team, and he has been. We have just as much trouble covering him in practice, and Tom has just as much confidence throwing to him as the quarterbacks in Miami did when we were trying to defend him."
 


As a rookie in Green Bay, Cobb caught 25 passes for 375 yards and one touchdown. With so many other receivers around, opportunities were sporadic. According to Pro Football Focus, Cobb was in on 308 snaps in 2011 -- far less than Driver (562), James Jones (557), Jordy Nelson (699), Greg Jennings (713) and Finley (883). This off-season, coach Mike McCarthy may be devising ways to fit his explosive returner into the offense more.
 
Cobb will be in town this weekend for the league's inaugural "NFL's Honors" Red Carpet event. One day later, Welker and Cruz will take centerstage.
 
Much like the Patriots offense, the Packers hunt for mismatches. Whereas New England uses its two tight ends to exploit coverages, Green Bay uses its depth. The Packers spread defenses out with three, four, five receivers. Still, Cobb showed his potential most in the slot. The position is based heavily on precise route-running and timing, two skills Cobb will hone in time.

Remember this is the same player that turned the wrong route into a 32-yard touchdown. As Welker noted, there's a science to the slot position.
 
“It’s been great to see a lot of great players really come out and do great things in the slot position," Welker said. "(Cruz) is definitely one of them. He does a really good job of getting in and out of his breaks, kind of setting up his routes and different things like that. That’s what you have to do. You have to make all of your routes kind of look the same so at the end of the day, they don’t really know if you are running the 10-yard comeback or if you are faking the 10-yard comeback and taking the middle or running an in route. Whatever you are doing, they don’t really know, because it all looks the same to them."
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Post by: dallasbear on January 31, 2012, 11:24:50 am

We know Cobb has the speed, does he have the discipline to run the routes and just as importantly does he have the hands?  He didn't appear very sure handed returning punts in the games I saw him play.
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Post by: navigator on January 31, 2012, 12:16:05 pm
I think punts are the hardest catches in the league to make. You've got guys who have just run over 20 yards down field wide open wanting to take your head off.  YOu get to sit there and watch the ball rise and fall and not take your eye off of it. I would think that the next hardest pass would the catch over the middle where you know 2 defenders are going to cream you which the slot guy has to routinely make.
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Post by: BearHit on January 31, 2012, 01:09:32 pm
Sounds like the way the Giants got in the 49er punt returner's head after he had a few concussions
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Post by: Phill23 on January 31, 2012, 01:26:54 pm
26-17 Patriots
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Post by: Sportster on January 31, 2012, 01:47:21 pm
Nope. 30-23 Gnats....
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Post by: navigator on January 31, 2012, 02:06:51 pm
I don't like the Giants but I dislike the Patriots more. I'd find it much easier to pull for NO or ATL or CHI :-)
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Post by: dallasbear on January 31, 2012, 02:23:31 pm
I think punts are the hardest catches in the league to make. You've got guys who have just run over 20 yards down field wide open wanting to take your head off.  YOu get to sit there and watch the ball rise and fall and not take your eye off of it. I would think that the next hardest pass would the catch over the middle where you know 2 defenders are going to cream you which the slot guy has to routinely make.

The slot guy can't call for a fair catch...
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Post by: dallasbear on January 31, 2012, 02:24:41 pm

I don't like the Giants but I dislike the Patriots more. I'd find it much easier to pull for NO or ATL or CHI :-)

Agreed.  I will usually pull for the NFC team, unless they are wearing Green and Gold.
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Post by: Phill23 on January 31, 2012, 03:10:40 pm
Nope. 30-23 Gnats....

I wouldn't have a problem with that.  Just feel that New England has too much fire power for the Giants.

Hell did the Giants beat the Pats this year?  I
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Post by: packrat on January 31, 2012, 04:46:38 pm
We know Cobb has the speed, does he have the discipline to run the routes and just as importantly does he have the hands?  He didn't appear very sure handed returning punts in the games I saw him play.

Good points.  Cobb had very good hands in college and during this season until near the end of seasdon when the whole receiving corps seemed to have dropsy.

I am mostly referring to catching passes.  As far as the fumbles Cobb had a few but not bad for a rookie season, IMHO.

Running routes has been a strong point for him.

He is kind of like Woodson in that he is a "thinking" player.  The college report stated that at times the coaches sought and used him suggestions.  That's one of the reason that I was so high on him.

I look for him to replace Driver plus add to that as he becomes a major cog in the Packers offense.  Think Wes Welker, Jr.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 01, 2012, 12:13:29 am
 
 
The Indianapolis Colts hired Pittsburgh Steelers offensive assistant Harold Goodwin as their offensive line coach Tuesday, Jan. 31. In other moves, Indianapolis fired tight ends coach Ricky Thomas and assistant offensive line coach Ron Prince.

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Post by: Sportster on February 01, 2012, 07:13:47 am
Gonna be a new day in Indy. Not sure I agree with the fire sale going on there. Yea they had a bad year, yea they could have probably kept everyone together and been right back in the playoffs next season when (if?) Manning returned. It all depended on his return, though. But still, boy one bad year and let's burn it all down and rebuild....a tad extreme....
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Post by: yapper on February 01, 2012, 08:35:49 am
The Colts tanked the season on purpose to get Luck.  Their plan worked to perfection and now they're dumping everyone from the old regime to try and cover their tracks.

They might not get back to the playoffs this next year but I can see them making an 8-10 year playoff run after Luck gets his rookie season behind them.

That being said, I think what they did is despicable and I have lost all respect for that organization because of it.

BTW what ever happened to Ron Turner?  Last I heard he was coaching WRs down in Indy.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 01, 2012, 08:46:07 am
Well the Bears should have plenty of new coaches to interview for QB/passing game coordinator now
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Post by: yapper on February 01, 2012, 09:26:41 am
The de facto passing game coordinator for the Colts the last dozen years has been Peyton Manning.

The Colts offensive couldn't do jack this year without Manning on the field so no thanks, I'll take a pass on all of their coaches, thank you.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 01, 2012, 10:44:01 am
OK, just saying there has been a turnover where we need help and Lovie has a link to some of their coaches
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Post by: yapper on February 01, 2012, 10:55:14 am
Yeah I understand, Wishful.

It just seems like we're always picking up guys from teams that are coming off of average to god-awful seasons and I'd like to get some coaches in here that have had recent experience with winning and a lot of it.  The Bears have become amazingly creative at finding ways to lose games (see the end of this season as evidence), and it's high time we turn that trend around toward the positive.
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Post by: Dave23 on February 01, 2012, 12:59:17 pm
Stanford's OC has had a lot of experience with winning lately...
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Post by: navigator on February 01, 2012, 01:17:50 pm
I would expect for a QB coach you are either going to have to take someone from a failed program in the pros or an unknown from the college ranks. The guys from the good programs go on to be OC on other teams.
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Post by: yapper on February 01, 2012, 01:26:47 pm
You've gotta wonder why Jeremy Bates doesn't have an OC gig at this point in time.  I mean, not only with the Bears, but with anyone.

I didn't think he did a bad job at all up in Seattle especially considering the very limited talent that team had at the time.  He called a tremendous game against the Bears at Soldier Field (the regular season one, that we lost)...  made our D look absolutely silly. 
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 01, 2012, 10:58:56 pm
You've gotta wonder why Jeremy Bates doesn't have an OC gig at this point in time.  I mean, not only with the Bears, but with anyone.

I didn't think he did a bad job at all up in Seattle especially considering the very limited talent that team had at the time.  He called a tremendous game against the Bears at Soldier Field (the regular season one, that we lost)...  made our D look absolutely silly. 

 Is Bates still available? Hire him in any capacity.  :D
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Post by: yapper on February 02, 2012, 07:57:34 am
The Bears have made it known multiple times that they will not be interviewing Jeremy Bates for any position.

I'm not sure exactly what the hangup is but that's the situation.
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Post by: navigator on February 02, 2012, 08:11:17 am
maybe the hangup was Jerry and Emery will bring him in.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 02, 2012, 08:25:21 am
You can only hope Nav. Bates seems like a fit
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Post by: yapper on February 02, 2012, 08:59:46 am
I think the initial hangup was Angelo...  in fact I believe that was even reported soon after Angelo was fired.  So yeah if that was the only issue then the door should be open now.

But I also read somewhere that Bates' reaction to Angelo the first time around also turned off others in Halas Hall, and we all know Lovie and Sweaty Teddy are stubborn and petty enough to hang on to something like that even if Bates is by far the most qualified candidate.

The other thing I've heard rumored is that Bates is holding out for a true OC gig (i.e., full playcalling duties) and will not talk to anyone about any lesser position (which the Bears' gig definitely would be).
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 02, 2012, 04:56:36 pm
But if Lovie were to really be between a rock and a hard place and have full power to hire you would think maybe a meeting would settle their differences, especially if Cuttler were to put in a good word for Bates
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Post by: 46 on February 02, 2012, 08:10:58 pm
espn is shrieking that manning is cleared to play.  I know I should care, but don't. It will be worth a few moments otherwise squandered on other idle persuits to see how it plays out.   Fyi for those that drink beer, Budlight Platinum knocked me ass over teakettle last night. Packs a hell of a punch.
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Post by: Pekin on February 02, 2012, 09:01:12 pm
How was the taste? 

I have begun making applewine in a 5 gallon carboy.  It has very little taste but a hint of apple and is 8.5% alcohol.  I mix in a little diet 7-up and it is gooooooood!  I have gotten messed up on it quite a few times.

Costs me about $1 a bottle to produce after the initial investment of $150 in winemaking products.
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Post by: 46 on February 02, 2012, 09:12:19 pm
Real smooth. Too smooth.  No harsh Alk afterbite.  Wasn't expecting it.  Looked it up today while suffering through a hangover......I even had dry mouth this am! Me! 6% abv.
Look before you leap, it ain't coors light.  That's a nice setup, my problem would be I'd never leave the still.
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Post by: Pekin on February 02, 2012, 09:23:13 pm
Yeah the apple wine snuck up on me a few times as well.  When something with high alcohol content is that smooth to drink you can get messed up quick. 

I like to call it liquid panty remover...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 04, 2012, 12:51:35 am
 Fuuck wheres Panthermark at?

 We could get into some serious brewmaking.

 And Winemaking.

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Post by: Pekin on February 04, 2012, 08:12:53 am
I wanted to start making my own beer but it seems pretty costly to get started and labor intensive.  Plus you don't really save any money. 

Wine making on the other hand is relatively easy, you can grow everything you need in your back yard except for the sugar and yeast which is cheap.  It is also a lot cheaper to get started in the hobby.

You can literally just buy a 5 gallon bucket of grape juice and let it sit and you have a decent shot at making wine.   Then you can re-use the food grade bucket to make more wine.

I spent about $150 on two food grade buckets, sanitizer, wine thief, two cases of bottles, a 100 corks, a hand corker, a few stoppers, a few airlocks and a five gallon carboy.

I have a few grape vines growing in the back yard I planted this fall so it will be a few years before I get grapes.  But I also have well established blackberry, raspberry and strawberry patches I can turn into wine.  I also planted some gooseberry plants this fall so hopefully they will produce as well.

Plus you can always just buy fruit juice or frozen concentrate (as long as it does not have preservatives in it) or fresh fruit from the store and make it.

My plan is to try and find some 1 to 3 gallon glass carboys or jugs this spring/summer at garage sales or auctions so I can have several different kinds going.  It will be much cheaper then buying them new.  Or if all else fails I will mix several different fruits at once to make a 5 gallon batch.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 04, 2012, 09:43:30 am
When I was growing up as a boy, next door to us was a place that had like 4 prune plum trees planted along side our garage. As kids we made prune plum wine. of course we didnt know jack squat about making wine but we sure did ferment some. And the plums were free. ;D ;D
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Post by: Pekin on February 04, 2012, 10:10:29 am
Natural yeast (yeast that exists in the environment and is found on fruit) will make wine.  Sanitizing, adding yeast, and everything else just makes it more likely you will get good wine.

The sugar before fermentation increses alcohol content.  The yeast eats the sugar and creates alcohol.  After that you can add stuff to kill the yeast and add more sugar for sweetness.  Or you can skip that step and just add Splenda which the yeast will not breakdown.

If you do not kill the yeast and add sugar you will likely end up with bottle rockets which creates a huge mess!!! 

Also if you go with just natural yeast you have a chance of ending up with vinegar if the wrong strains of yeast take over.  Perfectly good vinegar that you can use for cooking but it will not be wine.

Old timers used to mash up their fruit add the water and sugar and then set a piece of bread on top of the must.  It makes it more likely to get wine but still a chance of ending up with vinegar.  Also bread yeast will make wine however it will not be as good as if you buy the correct strain of wine yeast for the fruit you are using.  Plus a packet of wine yeast is pretty cheap.

For 5 gallons of apple wine I used one 45 cent packet.
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Post by: guest77 on February 04, 2012, 10:14:25 am
I've thought about making my own wine, but does homemade wine have any virtue other than just having alcohol?  There is a definite distinction between a good bottle of wine and a bad one.  I'd hate to spend all the time to brew  up something undrinkable.
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Post by: Pekin on February 04, 2012, 10:24:50 am
You can make wine that is every bit as good as you can buy.  It will depend on the recipe and ingredients you use.  Also you will need to let it age.  Fresh wine is drinkable and will get you drunk but it will not have the deeper characteristics of aged wine.

These two sites will help you get started.  Don't let them intimidate you though.  It isn't nearly as hard as they make it seem.  You can get started for cheap or you can spend hundreds.

http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/

http://www.winemakingtalk.com/forum/index.php

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Post by: chifaninva on February 04, 2012, 11:06:28 am
I like to call it liquid panty remover...

That would be Tequila...
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Post by: packrat on February 04, 2012, 01:21:00 pm
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Post by: packrat on February 04, 2012, 07:52:56 pm
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 4, 2012, 8:09 PM EST
 

We essentially knew Aaron Rodgers would win the league’s MVP award on Saturday night because he was chosen the first team All-Pro quarterback over Drew Brees in a landslide.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 05, 2012, 09:03:22 pm
Fantastic Superbowl. And the great Belechick was thwarted. Very entertaining game all the way to the end.
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Post by: Pekin on February 05, 2012, 09:43:20 pm
Excellent game!  excellent food and excellent company.  I enjoyed it all the way around.
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Post by: chifaninva on February 06, 2012, 05:03:56 am
I agree. I remember some on this board not wanting Coughlin because he's out of touch, not a players coach. I also remember some saying Eli is a dumbass, not a very good QB... LOL!!! And who says D doesn't win games..

Meanwhile, we're still stuck with Lovie..
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Post by: navigator on February 06, 2012, 06:09:46 am
we had a super bowl party, had some friends from church over. I really saw very little of the game. We did watch the last 10 mins pretty close though.

Glad the Pats lost though.

I know the problems in SD are not QB related but you wonder if they ever wish they had kept Eli.
I thought NY way overpaid to get Eli but it doesn't look that way.
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Post by: 46 on February 06, 2012, 08:31:57 am
Fun game to watch.  I'm getting tired of the NY Bos sports rivalry though.  Pats got booed at the intro.  Needed more fans to show up.
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Post by: yapper on February 06, 2012, 11:30:41 am
In terms of hot-chicks-in-ads, it was definitely the best SuperBowl in history.

Not sure I would have been that thrilled about them if I was watching with younger children, though. 
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Post by: packrat on February 06, 2012, 11:49:43 am
SBs are won by the hottest team and the  Giants/Manning were on a roll playing by far their best football of the season.
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Post by: yapper on February 06, 2012, 11:57:43 am
Kind of interesting how the teams with videogame offenses (Packers, Saints, Patriots) steamrolled through the regular season but the Lombardi Trophy wound up with a team following the same old formula...  a good, smart QB that doesn't make a lot of mistakes, a decent running game and solid play in the trenches.

Hopefully that bodes well for the Bears, who are built a lot more along the lines of the Giants than of those high-powered teams...  though we all know that outside of QB and RB, the Bears don't have the talent of the Giants and nowhere near the coaching.
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Post by: packrat on February 06, 2012, 11:58:57 am
Typical super model attitude.  Just what an NFL QB doen't need  for a wife.

Posted by Mike Florio on February 6, 2012, 9:55 AM EST
 
Getty Images
And here comes the drama.
 
After last night’s 21-17 loss in the Super Bowl, the wife of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady was making her way to the team’s locker room.  Along the way, Gisele Bundchen (I continue to refuse to call her a “supermodel” until she displays at least one super power) vented regarding the inability of some of Tom’s teammates to secure balls that hit them in the hands.
 
“You [have] to catch the ball when you’re supposed to catch the ball,” she said in a video posted by TheInsider.com, via TBL.  “My husband cannot f–king throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time. I can’t believe they dropped the ball so many times.”...
 
She should have watched the Packer WRs really drop the ball against the Giants.
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Post by: yapper on February 06, 2012, 12:08:31 pm
Gisele needs to Ess Tee Eff Yoo.  She's not even that hot.  Pretty much every chick on every ad yesterday is hotter than her.

She reminds me of a great quote I saw one time...  "no matter how hot a woman is, there's a guy somewhere who's tired of putting up with her cr-ap."
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Post by: navigator on February 06, 2012, 12:09:50 pm
that game was so close, if NE would have had more time they might have won as well.
I'm going to say that NYG having a running game (26 carries) helped them have more balance helped.
Eli also completed 3/4 of his passes which is almost unheard of.

NE almost caught the Hail Mary also, that would sucked.
I don't really mind a WR beating a defender deep, making a great catch but something lucky like that or what happened to us this year would just be sick. I'm glad it didn't come to that.
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Post by: 46 on February 06, 2012, 12:27:07 pm
lotsa mention about the one legged tight end.  Pats got beat. period. They are still at this point (I hope it changes quickly) light years ahead of the Bear in everything except long suffering fans.  I'm trying to remember the commerical I saw 54 in, but can't. Sigh. Age. Bah!
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Post by: wmljohn on February 06, 2012, 01:06:54 pm
Quote
I'm trying to remember the commerical I saw 54 in, but can't. Sigh. Age. Bah!

That is because it SUCKKKEEEDDDDD.  It was a phone comercial I think.  My wife even said the thing was stupid as craap.
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Post by: wmljohn on February 06, 2012, 01:08:24 pm
Oh yeah...

And another indecency at halftime.  They might just start recoding half time shows before the game to show on TV then do a non televised live concert at the game at this rate.
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Post by: Keysbear on February 06, 2012, 01:27:34 pm
I would welcome a return to simple marching bands.
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Post by: yapper on February 06, 2012, 01:28:41 pm
That halftime thing cracks me up.  These idiot networks think they have to get these young "artists" on there so that there's enough "edginess" to be relevant to the kids...  and then they act all shocked and surprised when these artists pull that sh*t on live TV. 

I mean, that's how these "artists" roll..  what the eff did NBC think would happen?

I think they should just do away with the halftime show altogether and just have it be normal length.  If I want a half-hour break for halftime I'll watch a college game. 
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Post by: yapper on February 06, 2012, 01:32:51 pm
I tuned in 10 minutes before kickoff, only watched about half the ads, and skipped the entire halftime show.

Got no use for 5 hours of pregame or a half-hour of halftime b.s.  Just show me the freakin game.
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Post by: Sportster on February 06, 2012, 02:15:13 pm
That game has to be one of the most analyzed in all of sports. From every angle, and every commentator available. Only time I've bothered watching any of it is when the Bears were in it and even then, limited. It's ridiculous. And the commercial, that did suck yes, was for the Samsung Note I believe or something. It was a terrible commercial. There were some good ones, the Dorito ones were good. 'You didn't see nuthin'. And the dog fetching beer and then rolls a keg in, lol.

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Post by: WshflThinking on February 06, 2012, 02:34:51 pm
The dog and the Bud Light one was the best. It held my interest. I didnt watch halftime.
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Post by: yapper on February 06, 2012, 02:43:53 pm
And the commercial, that did suck yes, was for the Samsung Note I believe or something.

Was that the one that was like 3 minutes long and had the freaky looking rocker dude with the pink and white jumpsuit and the guitar and everyone singing really high?  That one sucked azz.  I hit mute about 20 seconds into that one.

Half those commercials I don't even know what they were trying to sell.

I've heard the Chrysler one with Clint Eastwood was good but the last two Chrysler commercials I saw had Eminem and Ndamakong Suh -- both of whom I despise -- so I clicked away from that one as soon as I saw Chrysler.
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Post by: Sportster on February 06, 2012, 02:55:13 pm
I honestly can't remember. Yea the fake rocker one was terrible but was it the Samsung Note one? I do think Url was in the rocker commercial. It was one of the worst of the night. There were some flat out terrible ones. Why would you spend millions on a crap commercial?? Hire a better firm next time....even the 'Go Daddy' commercials are better. For obvious reason.....
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Post by: packrat on February 06, 2012, 06:57:44 pm
Seems t be a genral consensus that NFL SB programming pretty much sucks.  Guess that we can agree on something
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Post by: packrat on February 06, 2012, 07:02:12 pm
Now comes the frustration of the draft.  NFLN will concentrate on a few college players and day after day after day talk about the top ten draft prediction while ignoring the other 500+ other draft picks.  I have pretty much given up on learning anything of value about the draft from dimbulb NFLN programmers
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Post by: Pekin on February 06, 2012, 07:27:04 pm
I actually think Mayock is the best draft guru there is.  As far as having an opinion on almost every pick and knowing who they are and their strengths and weaknesses even in the late rounds.
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Post by: chifaninva on February 07, 2012, 05:01:04 am
Yep, I never watch the half time show. They always suck..
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Post by: BearHit on February 07, 2012, 07:53:11 am
Seems like just yesterday we were passing around that spread of Madonna with the hairy bits displayed...
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Post by: yapper on February 07, 2012, 12:49:02 pm
LMAO...  Bucs new HC looking at Ron Turner for OC.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/07/schiano-considers-ron-turner-bill-lazor-for-bucs-offensive-coordinator/

They must really be scraping bottom to put a staff together down there.
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Post by: Phill23 on February 07, 2012, 01:31:15 pm
Good hire if they can get it done.
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Post by: yapper on February 07, 2012, 01:47:36 pm
This could get interesting...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/07/steelers-announce-arrival-of-todd-haley-as-offensive-coordinator/
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Post by: yapper on February 07, 2012, 03:36:50 pm
Lots of chatter that Peyton Manning may finish his NFL career with the Arizona Cardinals.

Peyton to Larry Fitz would be a bad thing for the rest of the NFC.  I doubt Manning will ever be the same QB as he was before his surgery but still, I'd much prefer if he stayed in the AFC. 
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Post by: Sportster on February 07, 2012, 04:09:46 pm
Boy that's just something. The Colts are my "hometown" team, living in Indiana. Hard to imagine them 'Manning-less'. REAL hard. He's been there 14 yrs and given them many many great seasons. Just won't be the same Colts...AT all...without him.
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Post by: yapper on February 07, 2012, 04:28:33 pm
I don't care how great of a rookie season Andrew Luck has, I don't see the Colts being back in playoff contention till until at least 2014.

They are likely to lose a couple of 10-year O-Linemen, Dallas Clark, maybe Reggie Wayne, and some guys off the D that wasn't ever that good to begin with.  Between filling all those holes, the GM switch and the coaching churn, I think 6 or 7 wins would be a best case scenario for 2012 and that's if Luck has a ROY season.  If Luck is slow out of the gate then it may be more like a 4-12 scenario with the wins coming later in the season rather than sooner.
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Post by: packrat on February 08, 2012, 10:30:22 am
Kurt Warner says Eli isn’t a Hall of Famer
Posted by Mike Florio on February 7, 2012, 5:28 PM EST
 APQuarterback Kurt Warner retired two years ago with a body of work that likely will put him in Canton.  If he gets there, he may not be welcoming Eli Manning with open arms.

In an appearance with Burns and Gambo on Arizona Sports 620 in Phoenix, Warner made the case against Eli’s potential induction into the Hall of Fame.

“I fully disagree with that,” Warner said of talk that Eli will get in.  “You know because I know we put a lot of weight on championships, and rightfully so.  But championships are won as a team, and I’m fully convinced of that.  You never see one guy — a great player, great quarterback — carry a team through the playoffs and into a Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl that way.  I’ve never seen it.  You know even in that game [Super Bowl XLVI], it’s 21-17.  That’s the game.  There wasn’t a quarterback just up and down the field carrying the team.

“Yeah, he made the plays down the stretch, no question about it,” added Warner, who spent the 2004 season with Eli in New York.  “He’s had two great playoff runs, or his team has had two great playoff runs.  But I also look at the rest of his career.  I mean, he has an 82 . . . quarterback rating throughout his career.  You know, he’s had five of his eight seasons where he has thrown 16 interceptions or more.  His completion percentage on his career is 58 percent.  To me, those aren’t Hall of Fame numbers and by that I mean every time you step on the field you’re a game changer, you’re a difference maker.  And I don’t believe Eli Manning has been that guy until this year.  I think this year is the first time in his career when he’s become that guy.”
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Post by: yapper on February 08, 2012, 10:53:37 am
Well that all depends.  Are you gonna judge a QB's HOF credentials by SuperBowl wins, or by all the other stuff?

Is Eli Manning in the same league, skill wise, as, say, Dan Marino?  Not even close.

OTOH, Manning v. Marino in Superbowls tilts the table the completely opposite direction.

I think there is a very good chance that Peyton Manning will wind up in the HOF and Eli won't, even though Eli has more SuperBowl wins to his credit.  Not saying it's right, but I can easily see it happening.
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Post by: yapper on February 08, 2012, 11:11:00 am
Why is this guy so intent on giving failed Bears OCs another chance?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/08/schiano-not-shy-about-interest-in-shoop-for-offensive-coordinator/

It says he wants Shoop and has also been thinking of Ron Turner.

I guess the Bears have taken in enough Tampa rejects in their time so maybe they're returning the favor.
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Post by: chifaninva on February 08, 2012, 11:44:21 am
Didn't Warner win only one superbowl? Might be a little jealousy. I would agree that Manning doesn't stand out as a great QB, but ya gotta give him some credit...
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Post by: Phill23 on February 08, 2012, 11:46:15 am
Hell even I have to give Eliar credit.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 08, 2012, 12:38:54 pm
I think if he wins another one he's in for sure
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Post by: chifaninva on February 08, 2012, 12:55:58 pm
Hell even I have to give Eliar credit.

Not following the "Eliar"..
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Post by: 46 on February 08, 2012, 01:00:19 pm
I'm @ work on lunch break so can't look it up, but how many qb's who've won more than one sb aren't in?  Lessee... Akiman, Montana, Bradshaw, Brady will be, Elway, Staubach, pretty good list saying he'll get in.
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Post by: navigator on February 08, 2012, 01:43:43 pm
I feel like Eli is more of a take what  the D gives you kind of guy but I don't feel like he can carry a team like Peyton or Brady can. NY has a pretty complete team. They have a good D with an awesome pass rush. They have 3 WR that could start in Chi and 2 solid RB. They also have a pretty good OL and sound coaching.
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Post by: yapper on February 08, 2012, 02:05:25 pm
Like I've said before, the Giants are what the Bears would be with better players at OL, DL and WR, and a better HC.

The philosophy of both teams is very similar, it's just that the Giants have the personnel and coaching to pull it off whereas the Bears come up a little short. 

It's like the Bears are the Honda and the Giants are the Acura.
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Post by: Phill23 on February 08, 2012, 02:08:33 pm
Not following the "Eliar"..

Just something I called him after he told San Diego he didn't want to play for them when he was in the draft.   Didn't like it when Elway did it nor did I like it when Dorsett did it.
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Post by: Keysbear on February 08, 2012, 02:51:13 pm
Why would you call him Eliar because of that? If he told SD he didn't want to play there he pretty much told the truth. Seems a tad backwards to me.
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Post by: yapper on February 08, 2012, 02:58:52 pm
I personally could never figure out why Eli didn't want to play for San Diego.

Beautiful weather year round, hot women everywhere, natural grass fields in the entire division and snow or cold only occasionally a factor if you've got a late-season Denver or KC road game.  As a country boy from Dixie it always seemed to me San Diego was a better fit for him than the Big Apple.  But whatever.
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Post by: yapper on February 08, 2012, 03:04:11 pm
Speaking of the Mannings...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/08/kravitz-manning-not-throwing-like-an-nfl-quarterback-yet/

IMO Peyton really needs to think through how he's playing this.  If he snookers some team into picking him up for huge coin, plays terribly for a season and then limps off into the sunset it will make guys like Favre and McNabb look like model citizens in comparison. Peyton's got enough money for 10 lifetimes and that's before he takes the HC gig at U of Tennessee which will be his whenever he says the word. He needs to just call it a day and quit dinking around.  Already the Favre comparisons are starting to surface.  If he wants to end his career with his reputation intact he'll come out, say he's done, thank the Colts for the memories and move on.
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Post by: wmljohn on February 08, 2012, 07:13:08 pm
Quote
how many qb's who've won more than one sb aren't in?  Lessee... Akiman, Montana, Bradshaw, Brady will be, Elway, Staubach, pretty good list saying he'll get in

I think I heard on one pre game or post game argument show that Jim Plunket was the only QB with 2 or more SB wins not in the HOF.
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Post by: davebear on February 08, 2012, 09:31:50 pm
You're right Yapper I never understood why Eli dissed San diego.

Pro athletes have a sweet life since they can afford the stellar beach homes, media doesn't put the pressure on like NY.

Sure he will make more money in NY but quality of life is better in San diego as far as I'm concerned.

People in San Diego hate Eli
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Post by: 46 on February 08, 2012, 09:47:41 pm
I don't think dad liked the bunch that ran/owned the chargers.  He's been in the biz forever and knows everybody.
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Post by: yapper on February 09, 2012, 08:15:37 am
Sure he will make more money in NY but quality of life is better in San diego as far as I'm concerned.

Without question.
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Post by: navigator on February 09, 2012, 08:48:02 am
I think he wanted to win and go to an organization that could win. I don't think he felt like SD was that organization. It looks like he made the right choice. The NYG gave up the farm to trade for Eli and they have still won 2 superbowls. SD got Rivers and a bunch of pics in a weak conference and couldn't make it happen.
I don't think that Eli is really much if better of a QB than Rivers.
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Post by: Keysbear on February 09, 2012, 09:23:48 am
Sure he will make more money in NY but quality of life is better in San diego as far as I'm concerned.

Without question.

Only if weather is your only criteria
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Post by: chifaninva on February 10, 2012, 07:58:34 am
Agree, Keys. New York is a huge sports town, there is no comparison ..
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Post by: Phill23 on February 11, 2012, 12:58:43 pm
Report: Steelers parting ways with Ward

Tribune News Services
12:00 p.m. CST, February 11, 2012


After 14 seasons, three Super Bowl appearances and two titles, wide receiver Hines Ward reportedly will not be retained by the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Sources told the NFL Network the Steelers had decided not to pick up the roster bonus for Ward, who was moved out of the starting lineup last season for the first time since he was a rookie.

Ward played in 15 games, but started nine, catching 46 passes for an 8.3 yard per catch average and two touchdowns.

He was reportedly on tap to receive $4 million in the last two years of his contract, but has said he would be willing to take less.

Last week in Indianapolis during Super Bowl week, Ward, who has 1,000 career receptions and 85 touchdowns, said he expected to be back with the only team for which he's played in the NFL.

“I plan on playing with the Pittsburgh Steelers and going from there,” he told reporters.

The four-time Pro Bowler who turns 36 next month has caught at least 94 passes in a season four times in his career.


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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 11, 2012, 02:00:41 pm
I remember years ago on my riding lawn mower, listening to sports talk through my headphones talking about Hines Ward.  I was listening to Scott Brantley, former Bucs linebacker now broadcaster on a tampa station, talking about drafting Hines Ward.  Wow, he was right on that pick.  Nice career for Ward...
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 11, 2012, 07:35:51 pm
Bears will try to recapture the past and sign Ward, just like Williams. (hopefully not)
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Post by: Pekin on February 12, 2012, 04:05:16 pm
Wife of Tommie Harris on life support

 Posted by Michael David Smith on February 12, 2012, 4:58 PM EST
 
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The wife of Chargers defensive lineman Tommie Harris has been hospitalized and is on life support.
 
Sean Jensen of the Chicago Sun-Times reports that Harris’s 29-year-old wife, Ashley, suffered a stroke or brain aneurism. She is in a hospital in Oklahoma.
 
A friend of the family is quoted as saying, “We are holding on for a miracle.”
 
Tommie Harris played for the Bears from 2004 to 2010. He spent training camp with the Colts in 2011 but was released and spent the regular season with the Chargers.
 
Ashley Harris gave birth to the couple’s second child four months ago.
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Post by: Pekin on February 12, 2012, 04:06:29 pm
That is tragic.  I wish all the best for her and him. 
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2012, 05:20:13 pm
Thats sad
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Post by: chifaninva on February 12, 2012, 07:05:08 pm
Agree guys.. Very sad..
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Post by: yapper on February 13, 2012, 08:12:05 am
I posted the link on the Bears 2012 forum, but Tommie's wife has passed away.  Absolutely tragic.
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Post by: Bears4Ever on February 13, 2012, 09:35:39 am
Sad about Tommie's wife. I hope he can keep it together (raising 2 kids and all). Prayers and condolences to them all....
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Post by: yapper on February 13, 2012, 09:51:41 am
Given this, I don't feel nearly as bad about all the money the Bears paid him.

It's hard as hell being a single dad but when you're financially set-up it takes one stressor out of the equation anyway.

Of course no amount of money in the world brings back your life partner, but if Tommie has had any sound financial counsel at all over the years he should be able to retire with no financial concerns whatsoever and give himself totally to helping his young children get through this. If that's the choice he makes I say "bravo" and wish him all the success in the world in turning something good out of this tragedy.

I would expect numerous Bears players will be in attendance at the funeral and certainly Lovie and probably Marinelli too. The impression I get is that Tommie still has some pretty close ties to the Bears even if his career with them didn't end like anyone had hoped.
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Post by: BearHit on February 13, 2012, 10:23:40 am
There's a long line of gold-diggers waiting to step up I bet
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Post by: yapper on February 13, 2012, 12:35:32 pm
News on another ex-Bear:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/13/bengals-add-mark-carrier-to-coach-defensive-backs/
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Post by: packrat on February 13, 2012, 08:03:09 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on February 13, 2012, 4:56 PM EST
 
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Since plenty of you still don’t check out PFT on non-work time, every once in a while there’s a weekend story that bears repeating on Monday.
 
On Sunday, we had several items regarding a new twist in the labor deal that allows teams to automatically carry over any unused cap space from one year to the next.  To do it, the team in question simply has to want to do it, and to reduce its intentions to writing.
 
There’s no down side.  Though some thought that carrying over cap space would increase the per-team minimum spending requirement that debuts in 2013, the 89-percent floor comes only from the unadjusted cap.
 
And here’s one detail I didn’t notice when we listed the five teams with the most cap space and the five teams with the least.  From John McClain of the Houston Chronicle, each of the five highest-spending teams in 2011 (Steelers, Falcons, Giants, Texans, Lions) made the playoffs, and only one of the five lowest-spending teams (Jaguars, Broncos, Buccaneers, Chiefs, Seahawks) qualified for the postseason.
 
Here’s the full list of remaining cap room by team.  If any team chooses not to carry over the full amount for 2012, the fans and the media covering those teams should be asking some tough questions about whether the franchise is more committed to generating profits than wins.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 13, 2012, 09:06:16 pm
Well we know the Bears are more interested in profits. That money goes into the McCaskets pockets.
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Post by: Keysbear on February 13, 2012, 09:18:38 pm
What business owners don't worry about profit?
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Post by: 46 on February 13, 2012, 09:47:39 pm
None.  But there is short term and long term. Short term they benefit, long term they don't because of the refusal to go all out on the future. IMO there's a line between making a damn fine living from something you had handed to you and you had nothing to do with the building of and making a killing and in the process killing that which got you there in the first place, i.e. the Bears. Past the money, I find it hard to believe any of them give two damns about the Bears or the fans.  JMO.
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Post by: Sportster on February 13, 2012, 10:36:35 pm
Wow, that's terrible about Harris' wife...man....
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Post by: Keysbear on February 13, 2012, 10:46:31 pm
The Bears had a history of being cheap going back to Papa Bear who Butkis said threw nickels around like manhole covers but I don't think that's been the case lately. You can criticize where they spent the money but they have shelled out for players recently so I don't think the cheap & only out for profit fits any longer.
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Post by: yapper on February 14, 2012, 08:22:18 am
The Bears have spent money of late, they've just spent too much of it on the wrong guys.

Extending Tommie Harris for huge money when he was coming off a major injury?  $20 mil or whatever for Omiyale?  $4 or $5 mil for Malamaluena?  $3 mil for Brandon Merriwether?  C'mon, man.

Hopefully Emery does some of what Reggie McKenzie is doing in Oakland, "whacking" some of these overpaid players that Angelo signed to ridiculous deals and putting that money into the pockets of the guys that deserve it (Forte).
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Post by: packrat on February 14, 2012, 10:01:15 am
The Bears had a history of being cheap going back to Papa Bear who Butkis said threw nickels around like manhole covers but I don't think that's been the case lately. You can criticize where they spent the money but they have shelled out for players recently so I don't think the cheap & only out for profit fits any longer.

Life was tough in the early days when teams hung on to survive.

He was generous in helping Curly Lambeau out and save the frsnchise (probably to the dismay of bear fans).
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Post by: 46 on February 14, 2012, 10:11:30 am
Halas, like everyone else thought league first.  Worked out well.  And whereas the Bears have spent, they could have spent more, and if they had known what they were doing spent it more wisely.  Angelo didn't know alot.  He went through the motions and sometimes it worked. More often than not, it didn't. 
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Post by: yapper on February 14, 2012, 10:56:54 am
Another reason we've had to spend so much money the past few years in FA is cause of Angelo's terrible drafting.

If we had been able to draft and develop a quality LT, DE and QB in-house then those huge money deals for Omiyale, Peppers and Cutler would never have been needed.
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Post by: packrat on February 14, 2012, 07:55:07 pm
True, dat.
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Post by: packrat on February 14, 2012, 08:00:43 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on February 14, 2012, 2:01 PM EST
 
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On Monday, former Randy Moss teammate and mentor Cris Carter said that Moss can still run the 40-yard dash in 4.3 seconds.
 
On Tuesday, Carter applied a caveat to that assessment.
 
“The one thing you have to address with Randy Moss is not a conditioning thing,” Carter told ESPN Radio’s Mike & Mike in the Morning, via ESPN.com.  “It’s not an age thing.  It needs to be addressed.  I believe it’s the elephant in the room.  It’s that thing called quit.
 
“And Randy, not like any other superstar I’ve met, he has more quit in him than any of those other players.  So I need to address that.  That’s what [Bill] Belichick did when he brought him over from Oakland.  He told him he wasn’t going to have it.
 
“But Randy, when things don’t go well, like no other player I’ve ever been around or associated with, he has a quit mechanism in him that’s huge.  That needs to be addressed before he signs with any team.”
 
It’s one thing for an analyst or observer of the game to make that claim.  It’s quite another for Carter to say it...
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Post by: Keysbear on February 15, 2012, 11:34:06 am
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-jaworski-out-of-mnf-tv-booth-20120215,0,3418207.story

They got rid of the wrong guy. MNF was nearly unwatchable because of Gruden and now....MORE GRUDEN. Yuck.
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Post by: yapper on February 15, 2012, 11:45:35 am
Between the bad announcing and the pathetic matchups (especially late in the season), this last year of MNF was the worst ever.

Changes definitely need made, but I'm not sure launching Jaws was one of them.
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Post by: yapper on February 15, 2012, 11:56:11 am
LOL...  not even the sorry-ass Bucs want this clown around anymore.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/15/buccaneers-cut-albert-haynesworth/

Could 32 NFL GMs please just have a 5-minute conference call and agree that this guy's career is over?  How many chances does a guy get, anyway?
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Post by: boogie on February 15, 2012, 01:51:48 pm
Well if Angelo/Lovie/Marinelli we calling the shots, one more.  LOL
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Post by: yapper on February 15, 2012, 02:46:45 pm
All this talk about Moss, Haynesworth etc. brings one thought to mind that's really kind of concerning when you consider most of us are counting heavily on the Bears being active in FA to improve their WR and/or OL situation:

When was the last time a FA came to Chicago at any position and actually played as well for the Bears as he did for his former team?  I'm not even talking better, I'm talking, just at the same level?

Garza - Yes
Peppers - Probably
Tinosiamoa - Probably (when he was healthy)
Marion Barber - No
Moose Muhammed - No
Manumaleuna - No
Omiyale - No   
Chester Taylor - No
Roy Williams, Sam Hurd, Adam Archuleta and Orlando Pace - HELL no

Those are the ones that immediately come to mind.  That's not a very good record of FA success.  So even if we sign the biggest names in FA, there's no guarantee they won't turn to sh*t once they walk through the doors of Halas Hall.
 
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Post by: boogie on February 15, 2012, 03:45:30 pm
There is something in the water at Halas Hall I tell ya.  ;)
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Post by: Keysbear on February 15, 2012, 03:50:03 pm
The difference there is that on that list, Peppers is the only one that was still wanted by his current team. We need to look more closely at WHY they are free agents in the first place. I don't think we were bidding against the players current team on any of those others.
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Post by: yapper on February 15, 2012, 04:20:05 pm
Keys, that's a good point.  A lot of those FAs who failed here were definitely at the end of the line...  bargain-basement pickups that their former teams didn't want (and virtually no other team wanted either).  Omiyale is the glaring exception there...  a younger guy that Angelo and/or Lovie clearly thought was ready to go to the next level and be a quality starter -- and who was paid accordingly -- but has turned out to be nothing more than a very expensive and embarrassing mistake.

Maybe with a (presumably) better talent evaluator in Emery and a willingness to invest in younger FAs that aren't in the last gasps of their careers, the outcome will be better.
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Post by: Dave23 on February 15, 2012, 04:27:08 pm
I thought Hurd played pretty well on special teams...
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Post by: yapper on February 15, 2012, 04:34:07 pm
Yeah maybe I'm letting the whole drug thing color my evaluation of Hurd a little.  He did OK for us, but I thought he had played better for the Cowboys. I was hoping he'd be an upgrade over Rasheed Davis (especially as a WR) and really, he wasn't.  So that kind of disappointed me.

But if you want to look at it the other way...  Sam Hurd may have been the best signing this team ever made if it was his drug woes that finally got Angelo launched.   :D
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Post by: Keysbear on February 15, 2012, 04:51:34 pm
But if you want to look at it the other way...  Sam Hurd may have been the best signing this team ever made if it was his drug woes that finally got Angelo launched.   :D

That may be the post of the year.
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Post by: packrat on February 15, 2012, 08:01:23 pm
Watching some of the programming on NFLN is about as bad.
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Post by: packrat on February 21, 2012, 11:00:44 am
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 21, 2012, 8:47 AM EST
 APPackers center Scott Wells is coming off his best season at age 31 and has plenty of leverage. It sounds like he intends on using it.

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel makes the convincing case Tuesday that the newly minted Pro Bowler is likely to leave Green Bay in free agency.

Wells and the Packers disagree on the value of the undersized veteran and Wells doesn’t sound happy about it. Wells wants a top-five center’s contract. McGinn also describes a player with a long memory that remembers being benched for Jason Spitz in 2009 and dangled on the trade market.

McGinn points out there will be a game of musical centers this offseason. Ten teams have their starting center headed for free agency, with Houston’s Chris Myers, New England’s Dan Koppen, and San Diego’s Nick Hardwick on the list with Wells.

The Packers and Wells’ agent will talk to face to face at the Combine. Based on McGinn’s article, it sounds unlikely a deal will be reached between the two sides anytime soon, if ever.


There's that magic age that Thompson doesn't like -31.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 22, 2012, 01:46:17 pm
Like some wise GM once said (though I think it was in baseball)...  it's always better to let a guy go one year too early than keep him one year too long.

I wish Jerry Angelo had been more of the mindset cause then maybe we wouldn't have hung on to guys like Tommie Harris and Olin Kreutz for as long as we did.

31 years old equals an 8-  or 9-year career assuming the guy came into the league at 22.  Granted you have a few iron-men here and there who are productive well beyond their 9th season but as a rule that's really about all you can expect out of anyone.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 22, 2012, 04:24:45 pm
I am glad my working career didnt end at age 31
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 22, 2012, 04:39:27 pm
A lot of those guys make more money by age 31 than a lot of working stiffs will see their whole lives.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 22, 2012, 04:56:09 pm
IfI managed to work till 100 I wouldnt make that much.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 25, 2012, 10:28:56 am
Indianapolis - The Green Bay Packers and center Scott Wells remain so far apart in negotiations on a new contract that the team would be foolish if it hadn't already begun to seriously explore other options.

Sources at the NFL combine with knowledge of negotiations said Friday that Wells' latest proposal to the Packers requested a deal averaging about $7.5 million.

The Packers, on the other hand, are believed to be offering somewhere between $4 million and $5 million.

Wells would become an unrestricted free agent March 13 if the two sides can't reach an agreement. Even after months of contacts between vice president Russ Ball and agent Brian Parker, the two sides remain worlds apart...

Does anyone believe that Wells belonged in the Pro-Bowl?
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Post by: packrat on February 25, 2012, 10:31:46 am
Indianapolis - More than a few personnel people liked Louisiana State quarterback Matt Flynn before the National Football League draft of 2008. Not many liked him more than Bill Polian did.

When asked by the Journal Sentinel who besides Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco in that class of quarterbacks had the best chance to become a starter, Polian singled out Flynn.

Back then, Polian said: "He is the one that could (start) in the right situation. He's a battler and he's won a title."

Four years later, Flynn is about to vacate his backup role on the Green Bay Packers for a lucrative contract and starting job elsewhere.

"Hey, he played for Nick Saban and led a very talented team to a national championship," Polian said Friday at the NFL combine. "He wasn't supposed to do that, and he did. That's all I needed to know."

Polian has a shot for induction in the Pro Football Hall of Fame partially because of his decisions to select Peyton Manning for Indianapolis in 1998 and Kerry Collins for Carolina in '95. Just as Ron Wolf effectively evaluated quarterbacks in Green Bay from 1991-2001, Polian did it for Buffalo, Carolina and Indianapolis...
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Post by: packrat on February 28, 2012, 07:18:04 pm
The Giants will host the season opener on Wednesday, September 5. The game was moved a day earlier than usual in deference to President Barack Obama’s Thursday speech at the Democratic National Convention...

What a relief.  We don't need to miss "the chosen one's wild lies.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 28, 2012, 07:27:30 pm
The Liberals did this, right?  :)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 28, 2012, 07:57:08 pm
Who knows?  They are slinking all over,
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 28, 2012, 07:57:53 pm
Get a life.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 29, 2012, 07:46:56 am
Figures you bed down with Obumma
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on February 29, 2012, 09:25:04 am
Auditioning for new reality show for NFL wives/girlfriends?

http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/24172/Report--Two-women-fight-over-Michael-Turner/Default.aspx

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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 01, 2012, 05:09:28 am
Auditioning for new reality show for NFL wives/girlfriends?

http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/24172/Report--Two-women-fight-over-Michael-Turner/Default.aspx

Wow, classy!
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Post by: otto105 on March 02, 2012, 03:02:41 pm
Wshflthinking eats bush, spits up santorum.

Video at 10.
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Post by: Phill23 on March 02, 2012, 03:06:07 pm
LOL!!!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 02, 2012, 06:11:04 pm
I wonder if this might not get Peyton launched.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ap9rA33KmNnz0I_WvbAty3FDubYF?slug=jc-cole_saints_bounty_gregg_williams_punishment_030212
 He always struck me as creepy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 05, 2012, 03:23:34 pm
I hope this guy is on his knees every night thanking the Lord he wound up in New England.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/05/patriots-officially-give-wes-welker-their-franchise-tag/

If he hadn't gone to the Pats when he did, he'd probably be out of the league by now.  Instead he'll be pulling in almost $10 mil for the upcoming season.  Wow.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 06, 2012, 09:01:33 am
Enough with this by now:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/06/colts-have-a-little-more-time-to-cut-peyton-manning-but-they-shouldnt-use-it/

This has gotten as bad as the Favre stuff last year and the year before.

Cut Peyton, see if another team is foolish enough to give him big money to play for them, and let's move on already.  He's won his ring, he's financially set for life and I personally could not care less whether he ever plays another down.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 06, 2012, 10:48:49 am
I looked in the Buffalo paper today looking for any news about Demetrious Bell and find nothing. The only thing of interest was an article on the LTs available in the draft with them looking at Martin from Stanford. Seems his family were Harvard grads and he turned down Harvard to go to Stanford. I found that interesting.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 06, 2012, 12:44:34 pm
Don't you feel bad for T.O.?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110675/Terrell-Owens-risks-jail-pay-monthly-child-support-blowing-80million-earned-NFL.html

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 06, 2012, 12:57:22 pm
Mmmm......no.  Start selling stuff buddy. Its what we all do when were headed for the tank.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 06, 2012, 01:42:31 pm
$5K a month for spreading your legs...

Gotta admire their ambition
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 06, 2012, 03:12:15 pm
Gee has the price of ***** gone uo to that price? I'll keep my zipper up.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 07, 2012, 08:23:12 am
Press conference at Colts HQ today regarding Peyton Manning.  Manning will be in attendance.

Seems weird to me if you're gonna cut a guy to have him be at the presser.  That's why I think something else is in the works...  like maybe, Manning announcing his retirement.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 07, 2012, 09:37:38 am
I think I would retire if I was in his shoes... Don't pull a Favre attention-**** extravaganza for the next 5 years
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 07, 2012, 09:51:28 am
Maybe he is announcing he is going to restructure his contract and stay with the Colts.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 07, 2012, 09:56:00 am
He gone, no surprise
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 07, 2012, 10:12:50 am
How much did Lovie's endorsement cost?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-bears-coach-lovie-smith-backs-obama-reelection-20120306,0,4639714.story

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 07, 2012, 10:15:48 am
I think that's pathetic that Lovie aligned himself with either candidate.  And I'd feel the same way if he had backed a Republican.

NFL HCs need to keep their politics to themselves.  The Bears have a ton of work to do this offseason and politicking should be the last thing on Lovie's priority list.

I'm also gonna go out on a limb here and predict the Bears new GM does not share his HC's political inclinations...

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 07, 2012, 10:18:26 am
Manning, the Saints new qb. How many father/sons have played for the same pro team at the same position? Match made in heaven. Wait till mom and the kids, who've lived in Indy all these  years ( the north, remember the solders and sailors monument in Indy goes back to the civil war) Pops up in Nawlens.  I give'em one year. They won't give a damn if the grandparents live there.  Besides, it smells bad.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 07, 2012, 10:22:05 am
LOTS of chatter that Peyton will finish his career with the Dolphins.  Supposedly they have a house there already.

Personally I'd rather just see him retire.  That would be the best thing for his long-term health, his legacy as a premier QB and all of us fans who wouldn't have to suffer through all the "where's he gonna play next" drama.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 07, 2012, 10:42:29 am
If I'm making $5M a year - I might not care who is sitting in the oval office...

But us little people are screwed no matter who gets elected in November
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 07, 2012, 10:57:03 am
But us little people are screwed no matter who gets elected in November

Yup.  Another Presidential election with no real option.  Sometimes I wonder how much longer our country can survive with the current two-party system in place and no viable leader being fronted by either party.

I didn't think I could be less optimistic about our country's prospects than I was 4 years ago at this time, but I am.  The middle class is voting for its continued destruction no matter which candidate they vote for, and that's a very distressing place to be.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 07, 2012, 11:25:32 am
It's official, Peyton Manning is done in Indy.

They are retiring his #18 effective immediately.

No mention of him retiring so I expect the feeding frenzy to sign him as a FA will begin in earnest.  It would not surprise me at all though if the process went relatively quickly and in fact, some sort of "gentlemens' agreement" with the team of Peyton's choosing may already be in place since his release from the Colts has been a known fact for weeks by now.   That team would most likely be 1) in a warm weather climate or dome; 2) with a solid supporting cast in place; 3) with plenty of cap space and 4) in the AFC.   When you look at those criteria it's easy to see why he has been linked so much to the Dolphins of late.

What I'm more interested in than where he goes, is how he plays once he gets there.  I'm not at all convinced he's 100% -- in fact I suspect he may be far from it and may never get all the way back. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 07, 2012, 11:34:47 am
But us little people are screwed no matter who gets elected in November

Yup.  Another Presidential election with no real option.  Sometimes I wonder how much longer our country can survive with the current two-party system in place and no viable leader being fronted by either party.

I didn't think I could be less optimistic about our country's prospects than I was 4 years ago at this time, but I am.  The middle class is voting for its continued destruction no matter which candidate they vote for, and that's a very distressing place to be.

I dont see any choice between Obumma and his white twin brother Romney.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 07, 2012, 12:24:08 pm
yeah, our options for pres, the current guy and likely the guy that lost to McCain 4 years ago.
Great choices there.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 07, 2012, 12:33:05 pm
The smart ones want no part of that gig
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 07, 2012, 12:57:12 pm
Unless they're up for making millions and being unfaithful. Ref Bill "slick willie" Clinton.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 07, 2012, 02:44:32 pm
The choice for Prez is between bad and much worse....gonna have to go with the bad.... I think the smart guys are the ones sitting on the sidelines not wanting any part of the madness that has become running for President. No matter how good or nice or right a guy is, he's gonna have his head removed by the media and placed on a stake for all to see......
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 07, 2012, 03:04:10 pm
Well except for Obama.  The media never has vetted him.  It is insane we know so little about our presidents past.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 07, 2012, 03:08:46 pm
This could be interesting...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/07/report-broncos-will-inquire-about-peyton-manning/

College-style "platoon QB" situation where Manning works the team between the 20s and then Tebow takes it (and the punishment) in the red zone?

Don't see it happening though.  Too cold in Denver.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 07, 2012, 03:35:59 pm
With a healthy Manning last year they go deep into the playoffs.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on March 07, 2012, 04:26:09 pm
peke

Thats BS and you know it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 07, 2012, 09:18:35 pm
Is he lying again?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 07, 2012, 09:35:16 pm
For the love of God, can we PLEASE get past all the Peyton trauma of "leaving" Indy? The man is a mulitmillionare with people that have money begging to throw alot his way.  Even if he has a rag arm, you know he'll be able to milk someone for multiple millions for at least one year.  Good for him.  Can we move on now?  On the plus side, I think its fantastic we live in an age where this is actually looked upon as "news".  The 46 will take that any day of the week as opposed to living in "interesting times".
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 08, 2012, 08:07:07 am
This is getting ridiculous already.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/08/peyton-mannings-camp-has-already-heard-from-12-teams/

Nobody but Peyton himself knows if he can even throw a football with NFL velocity at this point.

So glad we've got our QB situation set.  Well, the starter, anyway.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 08, 2012, 01:06:47 pm
This guy might want to talk to Olin Kruetz about what can happen when you try to play longer than you should...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/08/birk-wants-to-play-a-couple-more-years/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 08, 2012, 01:29:49 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/08/report-manning-doesnt-want-to-play-for-the-redskins/

File under D for "Duh". Of course he doesn't want to play up north, outdoors, for the D-Bag Shanahan, on a non-playoff team, in a division that his brother's team is likely to own for years to come. 

Skins would be much better served trading up to 2 and taking their chances with RGIII. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 08, 2012, 02:51:17 pm
would you guys rather take a $20M chance on Manning being healthy for 2-3 more years or taking a chance on a low mileage Matt Flynn?
I don't think Flynn will be the next Aaron Rodgers but I think he will be a really good QB for some team out there.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 08, 2012, 02:57:13 pm
If I'm an NFL GM I don't touch Manning with a 10-foot pole.

I know that puts me in the 10% minority but frankly, I don't believe Manning is even able to play at an NFL level right now and even if he gets to that point, one wrong hit and it's all over.

The other thing is, whatever team Peyton joins will effectively be handing control of the franchise over to him.  Yes, he will be their starting QB, He will also be their de facto OC, HC and GM.  That's how he rolled at Indy and that's how it will be with his next team or he's not interested.  Just cause he's not a public d-bag like Favre doesn't mean he doesn't have every bit of Favre's ego and control issues.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 08, 2012, 03:08:29 pm
Manning is hands down the best FA available IF he can play. But who wants to take that very expensive chance?? I wouldn't but it's a g@mble. Big time g@mble. You might play and get a huge win out of it or you could lose your shorts. He would be a huge upgrade at QB for MANY teams.....but are you a g@mbler?     and what is with this flipped out thing blocking out the word 'G@mble'?!?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 08, 2012, 03:15:47 pm
Maybe my memory is off but as I recall, the last few games Manning played for the Colts, he didn't look all that good.  And that was before multiple neck surgeries and what has been reported by more than one source to be a significant loss of arm strength in the aftermath.

All these fans think their teams would be getting Peyton Manning circa 2008.  They're not.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 08, 2012, 03:19:52 pm
so if you are Philbin in Miami you go for Matt Flynn from GB who already knows the system over Manning at less than 1/2 price.
That is what I am thinking.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 08, 2012, 04:06:15 pm
Keeps getting better for the Saints...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/08/duncan-says-brees-wont-sign-franchise-tender/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 08, 2012, 04:15:37 pm
would you guys rather take a $20M chance on Manning being healthy for 2-3 more years or taking a chance on a low mileage Matt Flynn?
I don't think Flynn will be the next Aaron Rodgers but I think he will be a really good QB for some team out there.

Flynn is still an unknown and inexperienced.  BUT if you want to win NOW and Peyton is totally healthy it would be him.  If I were a rebuilding team the answer would be Flynn.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 08, 2012, 04:52:07 pm
The answer has to be Flynn
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 08, 2012, 06:14:02 pm
Wow, is NO playing their hand entirely wrong. The Saints aren't squat without Brees. He's the main cog in that machine;one of the best QB's in the league. Are they low-balling the guy? That would be insane knowing what he brings to the table.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 09, 2012, 07:53:57 am
I would take Flynn.  Who knows if Manning will fit in with whatever system is in place, and if the new team will want to change its entire system to fit what Manning wants.  How many teams let the QB go to the line and bark out signals and change plays like Manning did?  Every single play...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on March 09, 2012, 08:04:19 am
Has Flynn played more than one game?

I remewhen everyone was so hot on Rob Johnson after one big game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 09, 2012, 08:47:54 am
Yeah - he's no Trent Dilfer by any stretch
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 09, 2012, 09:27:11 am
PFT is reporting that the Chiefs have offered Peyton Manning a contract.

If he winds up there...  and with the money they've already got in Cassell...  that virtually assures Kyle Orton will hit the open market.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 09, 2012, 09:45:08 am
I think Kyle is an FA isn't he?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 09, 2012, 09:48:05 am
I guess what I meant is, that virtually assures KC won't make Orton a long-term offer.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 09, 2012, 10:22:13 am
Has Flynn played more than one game?

I remewhen everyone was so hot on Rob Johnson after one big game.

Flynn started one game in 2010,, against the Patriots, when Rodgers had the concussion.  To everyone's surprise GB came very close to winning the game.  Flynn looked very good.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 09, 2012, 10:23:59 am
He also started against the Lions and was shutout.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 09, 2012, 10:26:16 am
Paying Peyton big bucks for a couple of years that he has left would be unwise.

The only team that might want to think about it would be a team close to SB contention like SF.  Maybe Miami could think about it IF the guy can still throw well enough.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 09, 2012, 10:36:54 am
The one thing that a team like Denver or KC holds over the Dolphins is that the AFC West is a much easier division.

If Peyton's idea is to get back to one more SuperBowl that's a lot more likely in the AFC West than with the Fins in the East.

Also a lot of people are making a big factor of the weather but if you think about it, playing with the Chiefs and going on the road against Denver, Oakland and San Diego late in the year is actually a lot better gig than going up to the Northeast to play Jets, Bills and Pats. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 09, 2012, 10:59:26 am
Even thought I'm bored with the Peyton Manning saga my money is on him going to Miami.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 09, 2012, 11:00:21 am
Denver has a good OL, a good running game and a good D in a weak Division. I would think if they get Peyton and another WR they could be poised to make some noise.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 09, 2012, 11:04:45 am
But that's the point.  Denver doesn't have good receivers.

Miami to me would be the better fit for him. 

Besides I can't see Manning going to a cold weather team to play.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 09, 2012, 11:20:54 am
I thought Eddie Royal, D. Thomas and Eric Bell were a pretty good trio.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 09, 2012, 11:27:07 am
Royal is a pretty good player.  I would love for the Bears to be able to get him on the team but Thomas was a pass dropper big time.

Bell is mediocre at best.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 09, 2012, 11:28:20 am
Broncos have that Decker guy too.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 09, 2012, 11:29:43 am
Decker isn't someone you can say is a clutch receiver either.  I remember him dropping passes when the Bears played the Broncos.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 09, 2012, 12:00:22 pm
I'm thinking maybe the fins too.  How many people have Le Bron James asking you to come play? Playing there he'd get to play what team twice a year?  Just sayin.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2012, 01:21:27 pm
But the problem I see is Manning isnt gonna want to play for the money a Flynn would and with the cap beings what it is you dont want all your cap tied up in just a QB. I am expecting a bidding war. It really depends on whether the Fins want to outbid somebody or take the safer/cheaper option in Flynn. If I were the Fins I would go after Flynn and forget Manning. Manning could take one hit and be done too. Too big of a risk with Manning.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 09, 2012, 01:33:37 pm
All of which is still skirting around the real question:

Can the guy actually effin' throw a football yet?

Until that question is definitely answered in the affirmative, all I see is a guy spending the last few days before his retirement stroking his ego with all expense-paid trips on various NFL owners' private jets.

It's a de facto farewell tour and the media is lapping-up every last drop of it cause there's really nothing else to cover right now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 09, 2012, 01:46:20 pm
If Manning goes to the Broncos he could take Wayne with him.  Instant WR raport there. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 09, 2012, 01:49:53 pm
Wayne played at the U of Miami and then spent his whole NFL career playing in a dome.

Not sure the conditions in Denver are exactly what he'd go for, especially in the twilight of his career.  OTOH his best (if not only) chance of picking up with another team may be to go wherever Peyton goes, so who knows.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 09, 2012, 03:31:50 pm
Posted by Josh Alper on March 9, 2012, 11:32 AM EST
 
Reuters
The Peyton Manning chase has dominated the football landscape this week, but he isn’t the only quarterback looking for a new home this offseason.
 
Matt Flynn is leaving the Packers and is expected to have plenty of suitors for his services once free agency opens on March 13th. For Manning, the big question is about whether or not he’s healthy enough to play at the level we’re accustomed to seeing from him. With two career starts under his belt, Flynn doesn’t have an established level of play and that means the question about him is just how good a quarterback he will become.
 
Aaron Rodgers has seen as much of Flynn as anyone and he shared his verdict with Peter King. Rodgers thinks his soon-to-be former teammate will wind up being better than half the other quarterbacks in the league.
 
“The team that gets Matt is going to be very happy, I can promise you. They’ll be getting a top-15 quarterback.”
 
It seems like a fairly measured statement since top-15 isn’t exactly the kind of thing that makes you want to rush out and hand over the keys to your franchise. But any team expected to be interested in Flynn isn’t coming from a place where they can turn up their nose at a quarterback in the upper half of the league. Whatever metric or method you use to rank quarterbacks, a quarterback in that range should get you in the mix for a playoff spot given the right supporting cast.
 
Now Flynn just has to live up to that prediction. If he does, he likely will make his new team very happy and make Rodgers look like a pretty good judge of future quarterback talent.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 09, 2012, 04:11:18 pm
Wow they are totally cleaning house in Indy:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/09/addai-clark-bullitt-out-in-indianapolis-too/

I'm curious to see how they're gonna manage to field a team this year at this rate.  That being said, this is how you rebuild.  Clean out the old veteran core all at once, suck hard for a couple years and reap the benefits of the high draft picks, then once all that young talent jells you can turn things around in a hurry.   

Much better strategy than limping along with 6 or 7 wins for for 5 years while you try to upgrade piecemeal with 2nd-tier college talent. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 10, 2012, 02:09:36 pm
Yep.  With a good GM you can see a good tgeam within 2-3 years, though.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 10, 2012, 04:24:00 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/report-vikings-to-cut-steve-hutchinson-anthony-herrera/

There are two more guards available.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 12, 2012, 02:17:57 am
Five years ago, Hutchinson would be a sure thing......not so much now...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 13, 2012, 06:26:45 pm
Report: Buccaneers sign Vincent Jackson

The Sports Xchange
4:49 p.m. CDT, March 13, 2012


With the wide receiver market quickly taking shape, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers landed one of the top prizes: Vincent Jackson.

The Buccaneers and the free-agent receiver reached a contract agreement, Jeff Duncan of the New Orleans Times-Picayune reported via Twitter.

ESPN and the San Diego Union-Tribune previously reported that the Buccaneers and Jackson were in negotiations shortly after the free agency period opened at 3 p.m. CT on Tuesday.

Already in the first hour of wheeling and dealing, the Chicago Bears had acquired receiver Brandon Marshall from the Miami Dolphins for two draft picks, and free-agent receiver Pierre Garcon had announced that he'd reached agreement on a deal with the Washington Redskins.

Jackson, 29, has played seven seasons with the Chargers, topping 1,000 yards three times. After missing 11 games in 2010 due to a contract dispute, he had 60 catches for 1,106 yards and a career-high-tying nine touchdowns in 2011.

He played last year with San Diego after the team gave him the franchise tag.

Tight end Kellen Winslow was the Buccaneers' leading pass-catcher last year with 75 receptions. Mike Williams topped the team with 771 receiving years, while Dezmon Briscoe had a team-high six touchdown catches.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 13, 2012, 06:29:50 pm
Ex-Colts WR Garcon headed to Redskins

The Sports Xchange
4:38 p.m. CDT, March 13, 2012


The move to acquire the No. 2 overall pick in the upcoming draft, presumably to select quarterback Robert Griffin III, is already paying dividends for the Washington Redskins.

Wide receiver Pierre Garcon, who spent four years with the Indianapolis Colts, announced that he had reached a free agent agreement with the Redskins.

If Washington had hoped the prospect of playing with Griffin would attract free agent wide receivers, the plan is already working.

“I wanted you all to hear it from me 1st before u saw it on the news… I will be signing with the Washington Redskins and I'm very excited about the opportunity in front of me,” he wrote on Facebook.

Garcon was a secondary target for Colts quarterback Peyton Manning during the receiver's first three seasons, twice topping 700 receiving yards. Last year, with Manning missing the entire season due to a neck injury, Garcon had a career-high 70 receptions for a career-high 947 yards. He matched his best total with six touchdowns.

Former Colts executive Bill Polian had said on ESPN earlier Tuesday that he believed Garcon would get a big free agent payday in part because of his age, 25.

Last season, the Redskins didn't have a 1,000-yard receiver. Jabar Gaffney led the team with 947 receiving yards. The team's top target, Santana Moss, missed four games with a broken left hand.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 13, 2012, 10:00:51 pm
Ex-Colts WR Garcon headed to Redskins

The Sports Xchange
4:38 p.m. CDT, March 13, 2012


The move to acquire the No. 2 overall pick in the upcoming draft, presumably to select quarterback Robert Griffin III, is already paying dividends for the Washington Redskins.

Wide receiver Pierre Garcon, who spent four years with the Indianapolis Colts, announced that he had reached a free agent agreement with the Redskins.

If Washington had hoped the prospect of playing with Griffin would attract free agent wide receivers, the plan is already working.

“I wanted you all to hear it from me 1st before u saw it on the news… I will be signing with the Washington Redskins and I'm very excited about the opportunity in front of me,” he wrote on Facebook.

Garcon was a secondary target for Colts quarterback Peyton Manning during the receiver's first three seasons, twice topping 700 receiving yards. Last year, with Manning missing the entire season due to a neck injury, Garcon had a career-high 70 receptions for a career-high 947 yards. He matched his best total with six touchdowns.

Former Colts executive Bill Polian had said on ESPN earlier Tuesday that he believed Garcon would get a big free agent payday in part because of his age, 25.

Last season, the Redskins didn't have a 1,000-yard receiver. Jabar Gaffney led the team with 947 receiving yards. The team's top target, Santana Moss, missed four games with a broken left hand.


 That fuukin Snyder is always right the fuuuk there when it comes to money and draft picks.

 Steinbrenner? Steinbrenner was a CUUNT compared to this spender.

 With the second pick in the first round ... this fuuuker may have got what he's been looking for.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 13, 2012, 10:51:21 pm
Snyder throws his money around loosely, not smartly. He hasn't improved his squad much at all doing it. As a part time Colts fan, other than when they beat the Bears in the SB that is, I find it sad what's happening to them now. But they've been fairly smart with that team and it wouldn't surprise me if they reload and are off to the races again. Let me qualify my 'fan' status....Da Bears and then the Colts are a distant....distant second....but they have a killer stadium. Been there several times for Drum Corps International finals. VERY nice...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 14, 2012, 12:28:24 am
Snyder throws his money around loosely, not smartly. He hasn't improved his squad much at all doing it. As a part time Colts fan, other than when they beat the Bears in the SB that is, I find it sad what's happening to them now. But they've been fairly smart with that team and it wouldn't surprise me if they reload and are off to the races again. Let me qualify my 'fan' status....Da Bears and then the Colts are a distant....distant second....but they have a killer stadium. Been there several times for Drum Corps International finals. VERY nice...

 Sporty,

 Snyder always throws his weight around ... he's going to get RGIII ...

 is he going to do an angelo and forget how to build the rest of the team?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 14, 2012, 09:53:59 am
I would have thought the colts would have brought Garcon back.
I think Wayne is a good guy to have with a young QB but I think the younger guy would have been better.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 14, 2012, 10:47:17 am
50/50 chance colts will see mannng twice a year.  That will be a hell of a reunion.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 14, 2012, 11:51:46 am
Lions spending money like a drunken sailor on what else? Wide Reciever.  Johnsons going to get 130 million over 7 years. Twice what Marshall, baggage and all will cost the Bears. Twice.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 14, 2012, 11:52:18 am
I see your point but I think he's worth the price for the Lions.
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Post by: yapper on March 14, 2012, 11:58:35 am
Calvin Johnson is the best player in the game.  Not the best WR, the best player, period.  If anyone's worth it, it's him.

Not to mention he's a class act and a great teammate who's given his best in some dreadfully bad years up there.

The problem for the Lions is how they're gonna pay the rest of the team.  Especially Stafford when his contract comes up.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 14, 2012, 04:46:36 pm
Report: Cowboys sign Orton to back up Romo


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-report-cowboys-sign-orton-to-back-up-romo-20120314,0,6343743.story
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 14, 2012, 04:51:37 pm
Eagles' DeSean Jackson gets five-year contract


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-eagles-desean-jackson-gets-fiveyear-contract-20120314,0,6383085.story
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 14, 2012, 04:55:56 pm
I predict Kyle Orton is starting in Dallas by midseason.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 14, 2012, 05:05:07 pm
Over Romo?  Naahhhh......
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 14, 2012, 05:26:02 pm
Broncos to bring in free-agent safety Brandon Meriweather


http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20168334/broncos-bring-free-agent-safety-brandon-meriweather
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2012, 06:34:37 pm
Merriweather stinks. Good riddance
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 14, 2012, 07:31:27 pm
For sure. That guy in NE knows his stuff.  If he dumps you, your not that good.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 14, 2012, 07:39:07 pm
GREEN BAY, Wis. -- The NFL suspended Green Bay Packers defensive end Mike Neal without pay Tuesday for the team's first four games of the 2012 regular season for violating the league's policy on performance enhancing substances.


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In a statement, the NFL said Neal will be eligible to return to the Packers' active roster on the day after the team's fourth regular-season game. Neal is eligible to participate in all offseason and preseason practices and games.

Neal's agent did not immediately answer a request for comment. Neal's Twitter account appeared to have been deleted.

Citing the "confidentiality of the process," a Packers spokesman said team officials would not comment on the situation.

Neal, a second-round pick out of Purdue in the 2010 NFL draft, has played in nine regular-season games and one playoff game over two seasons because of injuries. He has seven tackles, a sack and a forced fumble in those games.

The Packers were hoping for a big season from Neal in 2011 after they allowed Cullen Jenkins to leave as a free agent. But he hurt his knee during a non-contact drill in training camp and didn't return until the Packers' Nov. 20 victory over Tampa Bay.

Neal missed the first three games with an abdominal injury as a rookie in 2010, made his NFL debut in Week 4, then injured his right shoulder and was placed on injured reserve Oct. 26.


<bn>Looks like a wasted draft choice.



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Post by: packrat on March 15, 2012, 06:45:43 pm

By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel

Updated: 2:54 p.m.
 





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Before anyone falls out of their chair in disbelief understand that it was just a phone call.
 
The Packers have inquired about Miami free agent DE Kendall Langford, according to his agent, Adisa Bakari, but no visit is scheduled and Langford visited Cincinnati today and is headed for St. Louis, according to published reports.
 
Bakari would not say if Langford was close to signing, but he said the Packers have expressed interest. If the Packers don't get aggressive soon, they probably won't have a shot at him given the others' interest. Presumably, the Dolphins want him back, too.
 
The 6-5 1/2, 295-pound Langford is a classic 3-4 end whose main strength is playing the run. Last year, he played in all 16 games and started 12 of them. He did not register a sack and had just one quarterback hit. He had 25 total tackles playing in the Dolphins' 3-4 scheme, but claimed his low tackle numbers were because teams ran away from him.
 
Langford is just 26 years old and was a project coming out of Hampton. He was a third-round pick in '08 and has been a starter all four seasons. He had 7.5 sacks in his first three seasons, but he was not very productive last year and may need a fresh start somewhere else.
 
He's appealing to the Packers who want to be big across the front line and require their ends to play the run first. Given the unknown status of Mike Neal, Langford would be a solid option for either end position if he plays to previous levels.
 
Signing him would also allow GM Ted Thompson to draft a defensive end like Clemson's Brandon Thompson and develop him behind some veterans. Langford could play inside in the Packers' nickel package next to B.J. Raji as well.
 
In the meantime, John Clayton of ESPN reported that C Scott Wells has drawn heavy interest from St. Louis and isn't a lock to sign with the Tennessee Titans. Wells visited Tennessee yesterday, but it's uncertain if he is on his way to St. Louis now.
 
Update: Wells is inside the Rams facility right now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 16, 2012, 09:10:23 pm
Thought I would share this view of the Peyton Manning drama and the impacts it may have on other NFL franchises.

Many of you know I live in Central Florida and went to school at the University of Florida.  I worked for UF for a number of years as well and am a Gator fan.  However, I have been a Bears fan from a young age due to the fact I was born in Chicago area and my mom's family has a long history in Chicago.  Growing up they always gave me Bears gear and the only games I ever went to see were Chicago when they came into town. In Central Florida many of my friends are transplants and root for different teams as well.  Additionally many of the Central Florida natives are Dolphins fans due to the fact it was the only NFL franchise in Florida for many years, a handfull of are T.B. Buc fans.

I give all of this background info because a lot of rumors on Payton Manning point towards the Broncos, many folks think if that happens Jacksonville trades for Tim Tebow.  I personal think this would be great for Jacksonville's franchise.  Why?  They need the fan base re-invigorated and Tim Tebow would easily due it.  I personally would buy season tickets, many of my friends who root for other franchise (even Dolphins and Bucs) are saying the same thing.  UF's student population averages of 50,000 annually there are a lot of Gators in the state...and we love our Timmy.  Basically if he comes to Jacksonville I guarantee his jersey would be the #1 seller within a week.  Also, season ticket sales would go through the roof within a week.  My wife who does not watch NFL football told me I had better get enough season tickets for her to go to games (she loves Tim).  All my football loving friends here are talking about Jaguars season tickets IF they get Tim Tebow.

Broncos think Manning would be the piece they need to take the team to the next level and he may well be, but their move may just save the Jaquars franchise that has been struggling to maintain their fan base.  I believe it would create something never seen before in the NFL.  I don't see any other franchise (with the exception of Bucs or Dolphins) have this effect.  Don't forget Tim grew up in Jacksonville area, so that team is the one in my opinion.

So am I saying I would not root for Bears....no that is what DVR is made for.  Thankfully Jaguars are in AFC...although they play the Bears this season.  Anyways just thought I would put this out there for you guys as football fans.  Because IF Manning signs with Denver, watch for Tebow going to Jacksonville, it could turn out to be the biggest move a franchise has ever made to turn its fan base around in literally one move.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 16, 2012, 09:28:35 pm
Hiber- I work with alot of transplanted Flordians, and they all said the same thing. Tebow is from there, isn't Jacksonville- St. Aug. his hometown? They all want Manning in Denver.  Nice part of the world btw, I can't believe whats happened to the housing in that state.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 16, 2012, 09:38:23 pm
The why didn't jacksonville draft him?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 16, 2012, 09:46:25 pm
Haven't a clue. I'm just repeating what's been said at work. Didn't the ownership just change down there?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 17, 2012, 01:03:15 am

 I wonder what we would have done ...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 17, 2012, 07:25:32 am
Yes ownership did change recently.  New owner said he would have drafted him.

St. Augustine is considered by most Jacksonville area (within 30 minutes).

I think Jacksonville could get him with their 2nd rounder.  I don't think he has as much value to any other franchise.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 17, 2012, 01:56:50 pm

 1200!! Hey what the fuuuck.

 
Yes ownership did change recently.  New owner said he would have drafted him.

St. Augustine is considered by most Jacksonville area (within 30 minutes).

I think Jacksonville could get him with their 2nd rounder.  I don't think he has as much value to any other franchise.

 Jacksonville has been gaining draft picks.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 19, 2012, 07:25:54 am
Jax might be able to get Tebow for a 3rd.
They were just speculating on NFLN that Tebow is likely gone anyway, something on the lines of Manning going to Tenn and Denver ending up with Hass.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2012, 08:06:46 am
If I were Denver I'd go after Flynn. He is too good to be sitting out there this long.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 19, 2012, 08:09:06 am
He signed with Seattle
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 19, 2012, 08:10:59 am
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/24874/Matt-Flynn-agrees-to-deal-with-Seattle/Default.aspx
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2012, 08:24:53 am
Thanks, I didnt know that. Looks like Denver has backed themselves in a corner. They arent getting Manning
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 19, 2012, 09:49:23 am
And the mighty Quinn left for Kansas City - maybe Elway needs a consultant in QB management
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 19, 2012, 10:00:28 am
Wouldn't it be funny if Manning signed with Denver and Alex Smith went to Miami and San Fran was left with no QB?

That would be the best possible outcome for the Bears 2012 playoff scenario.

I think Peyton is going to San Fran though.  Why else would Alex Smith suddenly be looking for a new gig?  I suspect Manning won't care much for living in the Bay Area, but if his goal is to win another SuperBowl that's the most logical set-up.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2012, 10:35:54 am
I kinda think Manning ends up in either Miami or Tennessee. I know he wants to play against the Colts.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 19, 2012, 10:50:19 am
Peyton's not going to Miami.  He didn't even visit their facility...  made the owner, HC and OC come see him in Indy.

Nobody wants to play for Miami these days except guys who have no other options.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 19, 2012, 11:29:20 am
Reports said he called Miami mgt and said No thanks...

I think Tennessee is the most logical (vengeful) to stick it to the Colts twice a year
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 19, 2012, 11:33:57 am
Shows how much I know...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7709195/2012-nfl-free-agency-barring-snag-peyton-manning-picks-denver-broncos-sources-say

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 19, 2012, 11:48:29 am
on NFLN right now it appears Manning is in Denver finalizing a contract.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2012, 12:13:08 pm
Wow! That is definitely surprising.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 19, 2012, 12:15:41 pm
The Broncos will now dominate that division for the next 5 years at least
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 19, 2012, 12:17:18 pm
LOL at the Niners if Alex Smith tells them to stick it and signs with the Fins.

Personally I don't think Manning will be all that for the Broncos...  but I'm still glad he's staying in the AFC.  ;)

Next steps for the Broncos will be to trade Tebow for whatever they can get for him, and draft their QB of the future in the 1st or 2nd round.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 19, 2012, 12:29:16 pm
Alex Smith would be smart to get back to the 49ers.  Harbough believed in him and got the most out of him. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 19, 2012, 12:38:28 pm
Alex Smith is in a tough position.

The Niners did him raw trying to bring in Peyton.  So he would be very justified signing with the Dolphins.

OTOH if he wants to go back to the playoffs he'll stay with the Niners cause the Fins won't be there for quite awhile.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 19, 2012, 12:58:58 pm
The Broncos will now dominate that division for the next 5 years at least

With Peyton being 36 years old and coming off 4 neck surgeries I really don't see that happening. I think they get 2 yrs out of him max and if he doesn't like how this season goes he'll just hang it up then already. 

Much like the Vikings, all Denver has done is stall-out the development of their QB of the future for a couple years.

Now the Denver D, OTOH, could be world class for a good long stretch if they get a couple of missing pieces and can keep everyone together and healthy.  Cutler had to be watching them this year and thinking about what he could of done if that unit was in place while he was there.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 19, 2012, 01:02:59 pm
PFT is saying the Broncos think all they are going to get for Tebow is a 5th rounder.  Ouch.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 19, 2012, 01:07:27 pm
IMO whoever got him made a long term mistake for a potential short term gain.  Say the neck/arm are ok.  Does he see like he did when he was 25?  No.  Twitch muscles the same?  No.  Again, that whole team will revolve around him. And if he blows a knee?  You have your 2012 version of the 2011 colts.  The only reason this took place was because of Elway and Fox not thinking Tebow could ever win a football game.  According to those two there's only one way to skin a cat.  Good luck to them.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 19, 2012, 01:12:01 pm
So now all those Broncos players that learned two offensive systems last year (one for Orton and one for Tebow), have to learn a whole nother system for Peyton? That should go over well.

They'll probably bring in some of Manning's buddies from the Colts to ease the transition but that's only gonna help so much, not to mention a lot of those guys (Saturday, Dallas Clark, etc.) don't have much left in the tank either.

Broncs are in a weak enough division that they could probably win it (although the Chiefs have really helped themselves in FA and have pretty decent draft position as well)...  but as far as a deep playoff run, I'm not seeing it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 19, 2012, 01:15:04 pm
If I were Tebow, I think I would take my chances in Denver if possible.
I just have a feeling that Manning won't make it all of next season.
Denver is a better team than Jax or Mia.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on March 19, 2012, 02:02:12 pm
Tebow Time just became Tebow's Times Up.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 19, 2012, 02:09:50 pm
Smart thing would be to keep Tebow and run a platoon QB system where Manning works the team between the 20s and then Tebow comes in to get the red zone TDs (and take the punishment).

Couple problems with that being, 1) the Broncos would have to basically learn two sets of plays (one for Manning and one for Tebow) and 2) Manning's ego would never allow for Tebow to bogart all those TDs even if it would add years to Manning's career.   

Oh yeah and 3) John Elway despises Tebow and wants him out of Denver as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on March 19, 2012, 02:31:28 pm
Bet Jacksonville is wishing that they hadn't just signd Chad Henne.
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Post by: yapper on March 19, 2012, 02:36:51 pm
I can take or leave Tim Tebow, but frankly, I have really lost a lot of respect for John Elway based on how he has handled this whole situation.  First he comes out and says Tebow's his guy going into 2012, then he turns around and starts dealing under the table to bring in Manning, and now he's making no bones that not only will Tebow definitely be dealt out of Denver, but that they'll pretty much take the first offer that comes in.

To be Tim Tebow and know that your HOF QB boss happens to think you're a POS QB, has got to be a toxic and tremendously stressful environment.  It's probably best for Tebow that he gets out of Denver ASAP even if it means he has to take a backup gig somewhere else... or switch positions. 
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 19, 2012, 06:15:50 pm
I am telling you if Jacksonville doesn't bring Tim in, I personally will consider it the worse screw up in the NFL period.  He will save that dying franchise.
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Post by: Phill23 on March 19, 2012, 06:19:34 pm
They have to give something to get him.  They're just not going to hand him over just because he's from Florida.
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Post by: Fearless Freep on March 19, 2012, 10:20:32 pm
Alex Smith would be smart to get back to the 49ers.  Harbough believed in him and got the most out of him.
Absolutely! He is a (so far) a system QB who found the groove ....... who knows if he'll find it somewhere else ... or another Frank Gore and such a good defence. Time for him to swallow his pride and stick it out in SF.
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Post by: Sportster on March 19, 2012, 10:27:12 pm
SF is gonna have to schmooze Smith back into camp. That's a real mess right there. Yea Smith is better off in SF but there are other teams out there right now desperate for a solid QB and SF better be careful, REAL careful. They might have screwed the proverbial pooch doing what they did....
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Post by: BearHit on March 20, 2012, 04:34:06 am
Thought I heard SF made him an offer - but he turned it down
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 20, 2012, 05:12:38 am
I think it would be in Denver's interest to keep Tebow for the season.  You don't know 100% what you are going to get with Manning.  You know Tebow won't make waves.  Then if Manning works out, they trade him next year at the start of the merry go round instead of at the end.  If he doesn't see the field, some team will want him.
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Post by: yapper on March 20, 2012, 08:46:33 am
The San Fran homers are saying that if they lose Smith, no big deal, Harbaugh can work his QB magic on Kaepernick just as well.  In fact some Niners fans are hoping Smith shoves off cause they feel like he's holding the team back and they want to get a QB on the field with more upside.

All I know is, if they're gonna hand things over to Kaepernick then that D better be as good as advertised because they will be carrying the team for at least the first half of the season.
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Post by: BearHit on March 20, 2012, 08:48:16 am
Well, sure... he's no Caleb Hanie...

But any QB can have a season-ending injury - on any given Sunday
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Post by: 46 on March 20, 2012, 09:58:41 am
The radio show in Nashville gives the impression that most fans feel like they've been kicked in the balls.  People are calling in stating they can't give away the psls they had to buy so they are just turning them back in and cancelling the season tickets.  Even the homers (Frank Whychek) are saying its going to be tough to sell out the games. Not a good time to be a Tn sports fan.
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Post by: BearHit on March 20, 2012, 10:09:45 am
Is McNabb still available?

He would understand their pain
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Post by: yapper on March 20, 2012, 10:18:54 am
That Bud Adams guy...  he's creepy and way too involved in the day to day operations of that team. I'm not surprised at all that Peyton Manning didn't want to deal with him, even with all the ties he has to Tennessee.

I don't see the Titans going much of anywhere till they get different ownership. Bud Adams is heading down the Al Davis path and like Davis did, he's dragging the Titans down with him. 
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Post by: 46 on March 20, 2012, 10:56:01 am
"bottomline bud" as he's called here, is 89 and still functioning.......sort of.
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Post by: Phill23 on March 20, 2012, 11:06:36 am
Folks dislike Bud there in Nashville?  Hard to believe after he brought the team there from Houston.

Bud has made some credible moves.  They were almost in the playoffs last season.  Give them a couple years and they'll be rolling.

Just remember, if Nashville doesn't want the Titans then LA will welcome them with open arms!
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Post by: yapper on March 20, 2012, 11:08:38 am
A lot of the Titans' future success depends on how Jake Locker turns out.  I'm not sure anyone has seen enough of him yet to predict that. 
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Post by: 46 on March 20, 2012, 11:14:15 am
Some wins always help.  Remember the last Fisher year was an absolute Titanic sinking, lockeroom blownup, mess.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 20, 2012, 03:17:14 pm

 I wonder what the NFL is going to do with Caleb Hanie ...

 flipping burgers ...

 arena ball ...

 backup somwhere?

 Halas Hall under angelo never gave him enough time with the ball.

 And it showed in crunch time.
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Post by: packrat on March 20, 2012, 07:12:31 pm
Saturday visiting: In light of Peyton Manning reportedly heading to Denver, ESPN reported that center Jeff Saturday, 36, had visits planned with the Packers and Tennessee Titans. Now the Broncos may also be in the picture. While Denver drafted center J.D. Walton in the third round last year, Green Bay needs a starter after losing Wells.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 20, 2012, 08:01:25 pm
Saturday visiting: In light of Peyton Manning reportedly heading to Denver, ESPN reported that center Jeff Saturday, 36, had visits planned with the Packers and Tennessee Titans. Now the Broncos may also be in the picture. While Denver drafted center J.D. Walton in the third round last year, Green Bay needs a starter after losing Wells.

 Well Packy its either Saturday .... or Kreutz.  :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 21, 2012, 08:19:16 am
I think the Packers will draft that C out of Wisconsin (Konz?). 
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Post by: navigator on March 21, 2012, 10:27:44 am
anyone know much of Demetrius Bell?
He is still available.
He seems kind of like Webb, a guy with all the tools who came into the league raw but started putting it together.
It looks like he had a knee injury back in 2009 and a shoulder injury last year but seems like he would be a good target.
He seems like a guy that is either getting ready to be really good or he might be hurt a lot.

He didn't play HS football (they didn't have a team) and sources say he is an illegitimate child of Karl Malone, his mother was 13 at the time and Malone was 20  :o
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 21, 2012, 10:36:34 am
I think Bell is too pricey and that's why we're not looking at him.

Apparently we don't have a lot of cap room left though I'm not sure exactly how that happened considering who we did (and didn't) sign.

That's pretty wild if that story about Malone is true.  That would explain Bell's size and athleticism.  But shouldn't Malone have gone to jail for that?
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Post by: 46 on March 21, 2012, 11:40:31 am
In Louisiana?  Please.
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Post by: navigator on March 21, 2012, 11:52:17 am
just heard on NFLN on the bounty thing
Peyton suspended all year
Loomis gets 1st 8 games.
NO loses a 2nd rounder this year and next year and fined 500k.

Williams is suspended indefinately.
I think Joe Bitt gets 6 games suspension also.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 21, 2012, 12:00:18 pm
I know that paying guys to hurt guys is wrong but I think this is really going a little too far.
I mean they were basically giving an incentive to guys to do their jobs but within the rules.
No way is a guy going to risk a $25k fine for a $1500 bounty.
I know they are basically making an example out of them but it seems a bit much to me.
It is also bad that STL gets punished and weren't really involved.
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Post by: yapper on March 21, 2012, 12:02:20 pm
Saints should be happy it only cost them two 2nd rounders. What sucks for the Bears is we were drafting ahead of them anyway so it really doesn't help us.

Meanwhile...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/jets-acquire-tim-tebow-from-broncos-for-fourth-round-pick/ 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 21, 2012, 12:06:23 pm
I know they are basically making an example out of them but it seems a bit much to me.

Except for the fact that it was "under the table" money which circumvented not only salary cap rules but Federal and State income tax. So that's the league office AND the Federal govt. they were tweaking and that's never gonna go well for you if you get caught doing that.

It is also bad that STL gets punished and weren't really involved.

The Rams have a sh**tload of draft picks this year and next thanks to the RGIII trade, and they still have a very good chance of landing either Kalil or Blackmon. Hard for me to feel real sorry for the Rams.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 21, 2012, 12:31:52 pm
yeah, I think the 2 #2's basically = 1#1 this year and since they didn't have a #1 this year they went after the #2s.
The Saints will be in a mess this year without their coach.
I can see Brees thinking long and hard about signing a long term deal with them.
Imagine if those 20+ players get suspended for 4 games, they will have a hard time fielding a team.
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Post by: yapper on March 21, 2012, 12:39:26 pm
They should have taken their 2 this year and their 1 and 2 next year.

To have them not lose any 1st round picks at all for this feels pretty wimpy.

As for the HC situation...  I'm sure they knew when this whole thing broke open that Payton was going to miss time so they certainly have some sort of contingency plan in place.  One of the top assistants will assume Payton's duties and off they go.  With the talent and veteran leadership that team has and the relative weakness of their division, I'd say their worst case scenario is still a 7- or 8-win season. And it's not like they didn't get some practice with that already last year when Payton broke his leg.

Now, if all of this is enough to send Brees packing... THEN they've got problems.  Last I heard he hadn't signed his franchise tender so I'm not sure he's technically under contract.  He's a smart guy and may very well have been stalling till he knew what kind of punishment was gonna come down.
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Post by: BearHit on March 21, 2012, 12:49:23 pm
Too bad they didn't come down as hard on Belichek and the spy-gate mess
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Post by: navigator on March 21, 2012, 01:01:18 pm
Yapp, Joe Bitt was the acting HC when Payton was hurt last year and is suspended 6 games also.
I guess Spagnola will be the acting HC this year.
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Post by: yapper on March 21, 2012, 01:03:42 pm
Imagine if those 20+ players get suspended for 4 games, they will have a hard time fielding a team.

I doubt it will come to that. If that were the case then Goodell would just be better off declaring those 4 games as forfeits by the Saints and spare the opposing teams the risk of injury from playing them.
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Post by: yapper on March 21, 2012, 01:06:38 pm
I guess Spagnola will be the acting HC this year.

How ironic is that...  Spags gets bounced as HC from the Rams and winds up as HC again. Meanwhile Rams lose their DC for the year, maybe longer. 

If I were the Rams I'd be using that bounty (yuk yuk)  of draft picks to draft every OL and WR I could find cause I think the Rams D is in trouble this year and the offense is gonna have to carry them.
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Post by: yapper on March 21, 2012, 01:14:34 pm
Does this mean that Payton and Williams can be fired for cause?

I read where Payton's suspension will cost him $8 million in salary.  Yikes.  I also have to suspect he will lose at least a few endorsement gigs in the NOLA area because of this as well.
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Post by: yapper on March 21, 2012, 01:40:37 pm
Man...  the Bills are gonna have a pass rush from hell

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/bills-sign-mark-anderson-to-four-year-deal/

Not sure they'll have anything else, but that's a heck of a DL.

Also virtually ensures they won't be drafting a DE at #10.  I'm seeing OT (if Bell leaves), WR or tradedown.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 21, 2012, 02:31:34 pm
Wow...  nothing's simple when it comes to this guy, is it?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/jets-trade-for-tebow-hits-a-snag-could-be-voided-rams-may-get-him/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 21, 2012, 03:21:08 pm
Holy Gazookas the merry-go-round that never stops!  Its nice for once the Bear doesn't get the clown shoes.  Multiple recipients this year, none in Chicago.  No sb in Denver= Elway boy eating a football and proving once again great players don't necessarily translate to great leaders of football teams, George Halas the exception, of course.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 21, 2012, 03:41:51 pm
Its nice for once the Bear doesn't get the clown shoes.

Ain't that the truth.  Clown Team of the Offseason Award has to go to the Dolphins who are pretty much failing at every turn.

With Dishonorable Mention to all the other teams that wh-ored themselves out trying to get Manning. Including the team that got him.
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Post by: navigator on March 21, 2012, 03:49:26 pm
does anyone know what the contract language said?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 21, 2012, 04:12:15 pm
Vikings cut a former Saints player today who was implicated in the bounty thing.

Wonder how many other former (and current) Saints will meet The Turk in the next few days.

AFAIK there are no ex-Saints currently on the Bears roster. 
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Post by: Phill23 on March 21, 2012, 07:37:12 pm
I personally think Elway is really setting himself up for failure with the Manning signing.

Everybody knows his neck will be an albatross the rest of his career and they gave him that huge amount of dough.  If a rogue team like the Raiders pop him a few times this season and he's injured then who do they have to back him up?  I would've kept Tebow if possible in the event Manning can't take the punishment next season.

That offensive line will be under scrutiny all season trying their damnest to protect Manning.
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 21, 2012, 10:31:55 pm
Well I think Jacksonville is about as stupid as any franchise, including the Dolphins.  They could have had local hometown hero for a lousy 3rd round pick, trade Blane G. for at least a high 2nd and came out smelling like Roses.  Instead they let the fricking Jets grab Tebow, we I personally think he will not do well nor will he be appreciated.  Might as well move the Jags to L.A. cause they are not going to fill their stadium anytime soon...I can promise you that.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 21, 2012, 10:35:05 pm
Well I don't think Jax wants Tebow to fill it's stadium.  They feel like I do if they actually put a winning product on the field the fans will return.  If they acquired Tebow and he stunk up the joint do you think the stadium will still be filled to capacity?

Losing gets old.  Jax need more than Tebow to field a competitive team.   Besides they have their franchise QB from last year's draft.  Get some talent around him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 22, 2012, 08:47:34 am
No GM who wants to keep his job past tomorrow would trade a 2nd round pick for Blaine Gabbert.  That kid is just flat out brutal.

Between him and Henne the Jags have the worst QB depth chart in the league, hands down.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on March 22, 2012, 11:01:32 am

Everybody knows his neck will be an albatross the rest of his career and they gave him that huge amount of dough. 

His neck will be an albatross? Sigh.... Phill makes Yogi Berra seem articulate
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 22, 2012, 04:24:04 pm
WTF?  Tebow might STILL make it to Jax?  Are you kidding me?  Dear God!!! Please make it stop!!!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 22, 2012, 04:55:53 pm
Hell if they give up a first rounder why wouldn't the Jets make that deal.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 22, 2012, 09:18:57 pm

 The Tebow thing is over.

 MEANWHILE ... The Bush signing.  :D

 Can Fortes ego survive with a 7.7 mil. signing?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 22, 2012, 10:22:11 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/seahawks-announce-deal-with-offensive-lineman-omiyale/

This should cheer you up.  Read the comments below the story.  Some silly Seahawk fan asked how Bears fans felt about him.  Good stuff...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 23, 2012, 12:33:50 am

 Jesus Duck this is like a BEARS joyride with Emery.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 23, 2012, 10:46:43 am
This comment was too funny:

gobears84 says:Mar 21, 2012 10:17 PM

You might want to warn Flynn to watch his blind side, that is if Frank the Tank doesnt false start first. The only thing this guy blocked in Chicago was the the guy behind him in the buffet line. Enjoy Seaturkeys!
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Post by: boogie on March 24, 2012, 02:38:49 pm
No F'n way, way way too funny:


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/24/broncos-want-caleb-hanie-as-peyton-mannings-backup/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 24, 2012, 04:12:15 pm
Peyton probably hand picked him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 24, 2012, 06:47:37 pm
And they signed him to a 2 year contract.  WOW.  I guess if Manning gets hurt they want to have the first pick in next years draft.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 24, 2012, 09:38:08 pm

 Here's the deal ...

 if Omo is worth what he's getting for doing nothing ...

 Forte is worth 9 mil.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 25, 2012, 07:51:49 am
And they signed him to a 2 year contract.  WOW.  I guess if Manning gets hurt they want to have the first pick in next years draft.

lol... that is it.  Who is the top rated QB's in next year's draft?  lol
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 25, 2012, 04:10:08 pm
http://www.nfl.com/features/bracketology/alltimeteams?round=4

Get in there and vote for the 85 Bears as greatest team of all time.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 25, 2012, 04:13:29 pm
The best part is all Packer teams are already out of it.  Also the 72 Dolphis were eliminated by the Ravens Superbowl team.

I think it will end up being Bears Ravens in the end with it being close cause the youngens will vote for the Ravens.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 26, 2012, 12:58:24 am

 The 1985 BEARS were the best because it was a circus that the country loved.  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 26, 2012, 06:23:51 am
That was one fun team to watch. Just voted. Bears should take it all. They were a incredible team.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 26, 2012, 11:08:35 am

Anthony Hargrove‏@A94Hargrove



 Close

loving the packer nation for all the love already…go packers go…goodnite

Anthony Hargrove to the Packers?



Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 26, 2012, 11:10:55 am
Veteran defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove visited the Green Bay Packers last week, and now he has indicated that he may soon be joining the NFC North franchise.

"not official but like i said green and yellow green yellow," Hargrove wrote on his official Twitter account. "can't wait for my first Lambeau Leap on game day. not yet but we screaming green and yellow green and yellow go packers go." He had three sacks, a safety and 18 tackles last season for the Seattle Seahawks.

Hargrove won a Super Bowl ring with the New Orleans Saints two years ago.

For his career, Hargrove has 223 tackles and 19 1/2 sacks.

He once served a one-year suspension for violating the NFL substance-abuse policy during a stint with the Buffalo Bills.

Hargrove is a former St. Louis Rams third-round draft pick in the 2004 NFL draft who has also played for the Buffalo Bills.

For more coverage of the NFL, go to profootball.scout.com.

Follow me on Twitter: @RavensInsider
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 26, 2012, 11:18:27 am
That would be a nice pickup for the Pack but you've got to wonder if he's gonna be facing a suspension at some point for the whole bounty thing.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 26, 2012, 03:38:29 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/26/aqib-talibs-trial-date-moved-to-june-25th/

Bucs need to draft Claiborne, flush this turd and move on.  I can't believe they've kept him around as long as they have.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 26, 2012, 04:31:41 pm
So the 5th pick is where the draft order gets thrown out of wack. Too bad they probably wouldnt offer the Bears a 2nd this year and a 1st next year for Forte.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 26, 2012, 04:36:28 pm
The bottom line is that the teams drafting 1-6 this year all have a great chance to get a player who will not only start, but make an impact from Day One.  Luck, RGIII, Kalil, Claiborne, Richardson and Blackmon are rock solid with Richardson being the only one I could see potentially falling out of that tier. After that it becomes more of a crapshoot.

For that reason, I honestly think that even more pivotal than the Bucs pick at 5 is the Jags at 7.  That team needs a lot of help at a lot of positions so it's really hard to know which direction they'll go.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 26, 2012, 10:14:11 pm
http://www.nfl.com/features/bracketology/alltimeteams

Time to vote again.  JJ just suck it up and do the right thing! 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 27, 2012, 03:01:00 am
http://www.nfl.com/features/bracketology/alltimeteams

Time to vote again.  JJ just suck it up and do the right thing! 

 Duck you know I had to take DAAAAAAA BEARRSSE !

 Raiduhs came along later in L.A.

 Love both teams. Still waiting for that BEARS - RAIDERS SUPERBOWL.

 It could happen !
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 27, 2012, 07:18:51 am
man, Raiders/Bears is 50/50.
SF is ahead of Balt like 57/43.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 27, 2012, 07:35:18 am
Vote again....and again.....and again, again again! Hey Democrats can do it. Even dead people vote for them....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 27, 2012, 08:55:21 am
Aint that the truth
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on March 27, 2012, 09:08:24 am
Chicago politics... vote early and often.... :)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 28, 2012, 08:06:00 pm
Parcells to NO.  I wonder if that'll make any difference at all.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 29, 2012, 06:32:03 am
Personally I think knocking Payton out for the entire season was a bit harsh. Unheard of, really.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 29, 2012, 07:52:08 am
I expect the reason Payton is gone for the year is because he knew more than he let on and lied about it.
There was also the email where he said to put him in for $5k on Aaron Rodgers...

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/sean-payton-rodgers-email/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 29, 2012, 08:09:21 am
What kind of grinds my gears is that it appears Payton gets to pick who's going to coach in his place this year.  Which according to scuttlebutt could be Bill Parcells.

That's not right. Payton should have no say in who the Saints HC is this year.  That should be a decision of the Saints ownership.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 29, 2012, 08:47:03 am
I didnt know Payton was doing the selecting of a coach. You are right, its the Saints job to be selecting the coach
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 29, 2012, 08:48:58 am
Regardless, don't you think he'd tell ownership about who would be the best choice or who he'd choose? Not sure you could stop that....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 29, 2012, 11:21:20 am
I would expect the head coach to be able to hire any assistant coach even if it is an interim HC.
Maybe he doesn't get it done by his April deadline.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 29, 2012, 11:28:48 am
I would expect the head coach to be able to hire any assistant coach even if it is an interim HC.

Except that technically, for the next year anyway, Payton is not the HC.  He's suspended.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 29, 2012, 11:57:24 am
I think he is the HC until 4/1.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 29, 2012, 08:50:55 pm
If he had not been guilty of lieing for three years he would probably not have gotten the hangman's rope.  What was he thinking?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 29, 2012, 10:30:59 pm
man, Raiders/Bears is 50/50.
SF is ahead of Balt like 57/43.

 Fuuuckin BEARS Raiduhs !

Vote again....and again.....and again, again again! Hey Democrats can do it. Even dead people vote for them....

 Is it my turn to vote again?

Chicago politics... vote early and often.... :)

 What kind of money's in it for me?

What kind of grinds my gears is that it appears Payton gets to pick who's going to coach in his place this year.  Which according to scuttlebutt could be Bill Parcells.

That's not right. Payton should have no say in who the Saints HC is this year.  That should be a decision of the Saints ownership.

 Them fuuuckers is suspended too.

If he had not been guilty of lieing for three years he would probably not have gotten the hangman's rope.  What was he thinking?

 Lovie Smith?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 30, 2012, 06:38:24 am
No.  Sorry.    Referring to Sean Payton.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 01, 2012, 03:11:12 am
No.  Sorry.    Referring to Sean Payton.

 Wait until this comes down on the DEFENSE players in New Orleans ...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 01, 2012, 12:39:13 pm
I would be very surprised if any New Orleans defensive player gets suspended for more than 4 games.  A lot of them may get off easier than that.  It's not in the league's interests (or the networks) to so deplete a team of talent that they can't put a competitive squad on the field. The league office even said they would be taking their time levying penalties against players for this so I don't look for too many defensive suspensions to be hitting the Saints before mid-season at the soonest.  And the suspensions will likely be staggered so that a whole bunch of Saints' players aren't all sitting out all the same games at once.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on April 01, 2012, 12:41:13 pm
Coach Payton said he accepted full responsibility for the bounty system - doesn't that absolve everyone else?

Oh wait - he is appealing that now...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 02, 2012, 04:55:05 am
Coach Payton said he accepted full responsibility for the bounty system - doesn't that absolve everyone else?

Oh wait - he is appealing that now...

 He may have excepted it because he is the H.C.

 But you get this feeling looking at him in the news as a deer in the headlights.

 He may have never known that any of this was going on.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 02, 2012, 06:48:35 am
NO, NO, NO, He Knew. IMHO he was involved in it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on April 02, 2012, 07:11:25 am
yeah, there is email evidence of him putting $5k down on Aaron Rodgers.
He knew it was going on and approved of it and lied about it.
The worse part is they were investigated in 2010 and didn't stop.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on April 02, 2012, 10:13:35 am
Yep - and the cover-up is the most egregious crime of all
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on April 02, 2012, 10:55:10 am
publicly, its "about player safety". Privately, its about "You lied to us and kept lying to us."

'Nuff said :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on April 02, 2012, 11:41:18 am
Is it sad that these multi-millionaires need extra motivation on Sundays to play agressive?

I don't see blatant disregard for opponents' health when the Bears play - maybe I'm biased...

Injuries happen - but I don't believe the majority of these NFL players want to "take-out" their opponents...

Glad to see Greg Williams did not file an appeal
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 02, 2012, 11:48:09 am
I don't see blatant disregard for opponents' health when the Bears play - maybe I'm biased...

Agreed... if anything I wish our D would be a little more aggressive.   You don't get the impression that opponents really fear going up against our D  (especially on 3rd and long).

What really ****es me off through all of this is the fact that Roman Harper put Earl Bennett out for 5 games last season with a blatant spear that was neither called on the field nor fined.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on April 02, 2012, 11:49:29 am
Are you saying that a bounty was put on Bennett?  :)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 02, 2012, 11:53:03 am
Could have happened.  Bennett, while a good player, is small potatoes in the whole scheme of things though.

So if he did have a bounty on him, it probably wasn't that big.

In any event, Harper has been doing that kind of crap for years and I hope he's one of the players the league comes down on the hardest once they start going after individual guys.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on April 02, 2012, 11:56:13 am
Any kind of bounty on Bennett is funny to me.  I seriously doubt they had a bounty on Bennett.  Maybe Knox or Forte or Cutler but doubt it for Bennett.

And Harper is a hard hitter period.  I doubt he had some personal agenda when he put the hit on Bennett.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 02, 2012, 12:01:56 pm
Yeah...  as much as I dislike Harper and what he did to Bennett...  I'd take him on the Bears in a heartbeat.

 ;D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 02, 2012, 10:41:47 pm
THOUGHT FOR THE DAY


"Rose-colored glasses are never made in bifocals. Nobody wants to read the small print in dreams."


--- Ann Landers
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 03, 2012, 08:08:51 am

 SHAWN PAYTON  H.C. of the Saints = STEVE BARTMAN ... Chicago Cubs Fan.

 YOU BE THE JUDGE.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 04, 2012, 10:18:16 am
Joe Flacco: 'I think I'm the best' QB

Chutzpah.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 04, 2012, 10:56:42 am
Eagles sign Bell to a 5-year deal:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/04/eagles-sign-demetress-bell/

BTW that's not a typo.  Apparently he has changed his first name.  So he's not only an injury case, he's a wack job. I'm glad we didn't go after him.

Where it will get interesting is if/when Peters recovers and wants his starting job back.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 04, 2012, 12:12:20 pm
This also means the Eagles will not be drafting on OT, and the Bills very likely will be.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 04, 2012, 01:32:34 pm
Wow...  talk about falling down.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/04/ryan-leaf-remains-in-jail-as-texas-montana-discuss-what-to-do-with-him/

This guy is becoming my generation's Art Schlicter. Different addiction but same result.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on April 04, 2012, 05:35:03 pm
Ryan won't be seeing light of day for awhile.  If ever.  The shock of that type of detox I'm told by wife the Rn can be astounding.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on April 04, 2012, 06:10:53 pm
I used to work with a guy who had done lots of time in prison.  He said the addicts like that would be so sick they would shiiit themselves and puke all over the place for days as they detoxed. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 04, 2012, 06:49:42 pm

 Try backing two teams ... :-[  Ryan Leaf is a lightweight. Dis is a Raiduh's QB that fuucks up :

 At the 1991 NFL Draft the Raiders selected Todd Marinovich in the first round; he was the 24th pick overall and the second quarterback taken—ahead of Brett Favre—signing a three-year, $2.25 million deal. Marinovich made his NFL debut on Monday Night Football, in an exhibition game against the Dallas Cowboys on August 12, 1991.  Because of this great debut he started the following week against the Chiefs in the playoffs, but was very poor, throwing for just 140 yards with 4 interceptions in a 10-6 loss and smashing a locker room mirror with his helmet after the game.

 After the Raiders began 0-2 in 1992 with Schroeder as quarterback, Marinovich became the starter. He threw for 395 yards in a loss in his first start that season and lost the following week as the Raiders started 0-4. He then won three of his next four games before losing to the Dallas Cowboys.  The following week Marinovich started against the Philadelphia Eagles, seeing three of his first 10 passes intercepted. Schroeder regained the starting job and Marinovich never played again in the NFL.

 Marinovich had serious substance abuse issues throughout his NFL career.

 During his rookie season he increased his partying and drug use beyond marrijuana, including taking pharmaceutical amphetamines before games.

 Because of his college arrest for coccaine possession, the NFL required him to submit to frequent drug tests.

 Marinovich passed the tests using friends' urine but, after using the urine of a teammmate who had been heavily drinking, the test registered a blood-alcohol level four times the legal limit and caused the Raiders to force him into rehabilitation.

 The Raiders held an intervention for him after the season, and Marinovich spent 45 days at a rehab facility.

 In the 1992 season Marinovich shifted to using LSD after games because it would not show up on the drug test.

 His play suffered and his coaches complained he was not grasping the complex offense. He failed his second NFL drug test and went back into rehab.  

 In training camp before the 1993 season, Marinovich failed his third NFL drug test, this time for marrijuana, and his NFL career was over.
______________________________________________________________________________________

In April 1999, Marinovich was cleared to reenter the NFL but herniated a disk playing recreational basketball. That summer, he tried out and received interest from the San Diego Chargers and the Chicago Bears but failed the physical examination, and signed as a backup quarterback with the BC Lions of the CFL.

 Although Marinovich had mostly ceased his drug use, lax enforcement in Vancouver allowed him to quickly relapse. His use of heroin and coccaine increased and his weight dropped as he would spend almost all of his free time using drugs, and at one point Marinovich severely cut his hand with a crack pipe during halftime and had to covertly bandage himself.

 Despite being asked to stay with the team for another season, he realized he was in a bad situation and left the team.

Marinovich returned to Los Angeles in 2000 and joined the expansion Los Angeles Avengers of the Arena Football League. Despite undergoing severe heroin withdrawal he had a strong season.

 Tying a record for most touchdowns in a single game by throwing ten touchdowns  against the Houston Thunderbears.

 Marinovich was named to the all-rookie team and as the Avengers' franchise player, but the day he received his signing bonus he was arrested for buying heroin.

 Marinovich's career continued to fall apart, as he was ejected from subsequent games for throwing things at referees and eventually suspended from the team in 2001.

 Despite moments of brilliance, Marinovich's professional career is widely considered to be a bust.

 In 2004, Marinovich was included in ESPN.com's list of The 25 Biggest Sports Flops, coming in at fourth on the ESPN.com editors' list, and seventh on the readers' list.

 His name, along with that of Ryan Leaf, is often used as an eponym for a highly vaunted football player who turns out to be a huge disappointment.


 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 04, 2012, 10:13:33 pm
It always astounds me how many chances a tool like Marinovich is given. Even at his best he wasn't very  good. Smoking crack at halftime? LSD? Seriously?!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 04, 2012, 10:41:35 pm
It always astounds me how many chances a tool like Marinovich is given. Even at his best he wasn't very  good. Smoking crack at halftime? LSD? Seriously?!

 I know ... isnt that great ? Proof once again that you or I could be starters in the NFL.

 With proper drug infusion.  ;D

 Yap ... I cut my hand on this crack pipe at halftime, dude ... you got any band-aids?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on April 05, 2012, 08:01:17 am
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/25357/Source--Gregg-Williams-instructed-Saints-to-injure-49ers-players/Default.aspx

It's sad... but it happens at the peewee level too... Our coaches have to teach teammate protection after the whistle or bad things happen
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 05, 2012, 08:06:13 am
LOLOL
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 05, 2012, 11:37:09 am
Some pretty damning evidence on the whole bounty thing is coming down now, especially on Gregg Williams.

Several articles on it right now on PFT but here's the article that contains a link to audio of Williams himself directing Saints players to take out various 49ers.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/williams-audio-likely-dooms-saints-appeals/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on April 05, 2012, 11:40:23 am
That's probably why his suspension was "indefinite" duration
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 05, 2012, 11:55:35 am
I suspect that "indefinite" in fact is, "for life", but the league office didn't want to word it as such so that Williams would have some incentive to cooperate with their investigation.  Once Goodell has all the evidence he feels he needs, a lifetime ban will be announced. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 05, 2012, 01:11:43 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/former-cowboys-special-teams-coach-joe-avezzano-dies/

Intensity personified.  Not a lot of guys in the Cowboys organization I respect but he was one of 'em.

With absolutely no disrespect intended... the fact that he died of a heart attack seems entirely fitting.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on April 05, 2012, 01:45:07 pm

He was a very popular personality in Dallas - had a radio show during the season.  Also owned a restaurant that I visited after one of my kids game on a weekend and he was in there just chatting with folks.  Didn't know he was coaching football in Italy.  Makes sense - this guy wanted to do more than talk radio and own a restaurant - always a coach.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 06, 2012, 07:31:17 pm
Future NFL Hall-of-Famer Warren Sapp has filed for bankruptcy ... claiming he's racked up millions of dollars in debts ... but worst of all, dude claims he LOST his 2002 Super Bowl ring.

Sapp -- who played in the NFL for 12 years -- just filed for Chapter 7 Bankruptcy in Florida ... and in the papers he gives a full rundown of his dire financial situation.

According to the docs, Sapp owes more than $6.7 million to various creditors ... including hundreds of thousands of dollars in child support payments and alimony to at least 4 different baby mamas.

Among the debts, Sapp says he owes $853k to the IRS for 2006 and another $89k for 2010. Sapp says he also owes $2,858 in medical bills for "Corrective Speech and Language Therapy."

Sapp says he only has $6.45 million to his name ... and lists all of his assets in the documents ... which include:

-- 240 pairs of Jordan sneakers and sandals
-- Large **** women painting
-- Lion skin rug (female - lioness)
-- Nike golf clubs
-- De Grisogono watch (scratch on crystal, nicks and scratches on band)
-- A boxing glove signed by Muhammad Ali

But most interestingly, Sapp notes he has LOST two of his most treasured and valuable possessions -- the 2002 Super Bowl ring he won with the Tampa Bay Bucs (example below) and the 1999 National Championship ring he won with the Miami Hurricanes.


In the docs, Sapp also lists his current salary as an analyst for the NFL Network as $45k per month ... $540k per year. Sapp says his deal with the NFL Network expires in August and he's not sure if the network will extend his deal.

Calls to Sapp have not been returned.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on April 06, 2012, 08:26:38 pm
Some people should never get rich..... totally baffles me how someone like Sapp could lose it all. NO common sense and definately no money sense! 4 women with kids? Does this guy have MORON tatooed over his eyebrows? If not, he should... gimme 2 million, I'll make another million out of it. Give it to a brainless twit like Sapp....he goes bankrupt, lol. And 240 pairs of Jordan shoes? Sigh....the STUPID things people do with money.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on April 06, 2012, 08:29:17 pm
And you LOSE your RINGS? The very thing you worked your ENTIRE adult life to obtain with much sweat and blood?!?? Add BOZO to the MORON above his thick headed eyebrows......
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on April 06, 2012, 08:34:29 pm
HERE is a guy who has his head on straight in regards to a lottery he won.....

http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/20/magazines/fortune/lottery_winnings.fortune/index.htm
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 07, 2012, 05:28:26 am
Some guys don't know to take your rings and watches off before you go to the strip clubs.  Those girls are professionals!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 07, 2012, 10:02:11 am
Haha. Professional pocket pickers huh? Ya think?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 07, 2012, 12:25:31 pm
•The Packers lost out on free agent DE Dave Tollefson, who had visited the team last week but agreed to terms with the Oakland Raiders on Friday.
•University of Washington RB Chris Polk has caught
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: octagon on April 07, 2012, 01:12:18 pm
Pertaining to the earlier athletes on drugs conversation, Doc Ellis claims he was on LSD when he pitched his no hitter in '71.  MLB has never released the game footage.  Here is a n animated video with doc talking about the game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUhSYLRw14
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 09, 2012, 06:55:55 pm
NFL: Warren Sapp, Career with NFL Network Is Old, Slow and over

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 13, 2012, 06:15:35 pm
NFL: Warren Sapp, Career with NFL Network Is Old, Slow and over



 They will keep him around as a draft anaylst.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 17, 2012, 08:30:07 pm
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In recent years the competition for undrafted free agents has grown more intense, and the wooing of potential undrafted free agents has already begun.

Baltimore Ravens coach John Harbaugh has been texting such possible possible candidates, according to league sources. Harbaugh's text explains the players' names have come up in draft meetings, how the Ravens would like to find a way to bring them in, and telling the players to feel free to call him with any questions or feedback.

The Philadelphia Eagles began sending letters to borderline draftable players about a year ago, laying the foundation for signing them after the draft.

The letters detailed Philly's interest in a player, and their intention to contact said player after the draft if he is not selected. The Indianapolis Colts, with rookie general manager Ryan Grigson having just left the Eagles a few months ago, have begun the process of sending letters to likely UFAs this year.

The Ravens have taken the recruitment of future players one step further with the sending of text messages. In the modern age, with more modes of communication than ever, all the best to take advantage of them.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 17, 2012, 08:58:11 pm
Thats a switch. We have a new GM. I wonder what we are going to be doing. We certainly are going to need a lot of players.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 17, 2012, 09:31:43 pm
Undrafted FAs can be a good sorce of inexpensive talant.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 20, 2012, 07:50:19 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2012, 1:40 PM EDT
 

At a time everything relating to the NFL seems to be getting more and more expensive, one fairly significant aspect of the fan experience is getting cheaper.
 
According to Bloomberg.com, via SportsBusiness Daily, DirecTV will cut the price of its Sunday Ticket feature by more than 40 percent, to $199.95.
 
Also, the service once again will be provided free for one season to new subscribers.
 
Since 1994, Sunday Ticket has held exclusive rights to out-of-market games, making it an indispensable tool for anyone who follows a team that doesn’t have a local connection.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on April 21, 2012, 08:01:18 am
That NFL ticket package really took off price-wise. I had Directv years ago when that first come out and it wasn't priced too bad back then but lately, sheesh. Ridiculous...so it's nice to see it come down from its lofty heights.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 21, 2012, 09:42:01 am
I am wondering if the word "monopoly" was starting to sneak in to the conversation?  Either way, happy to see the drop!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on April 21, 2012, 10:37:40 am
Didn't they have a 'monopoly' for awhile? Contract with DTV for the package deal? Maybe that's expiring???
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 21, 2012, 10:48:13 am
They do have an exclusive contract with the NFL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on April 21, 2012, 11:24:34 am
Then that's very unusual dropping the prices like they have. You definately don't see the NFL lowering it's prices anywhere on anything....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 22, 2012, 07:41:15 am
That's why i was floating that maybe there is starting to be a buzz with Dish Network, the cable giants, etc.  Maybe there is a pressure starting to build the Directv felt they need to get ahead of the monpoly talk with a 40% price drop...  I have no inside information, but Sporty nailed it - when have you ever see the NFL drop the price of anything?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 22, 2012, 03:42:52 pm
Hard to beat the present agreement.  The NFL offers a contract to the high bidder.   DirecTV is the high bidder.  End of argument.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2012, 05:32:11 pm
I dont have the Ticket or Direct TV cause I dont need it or desire to watch multiple teams. But to chime in on the subject. I have seen posts where fans here have threatened to not renew the Ticket if they didnt reduce the price only to see them relent and reduce the price. So it doesnt surprise me to see them reduce the price for everybody. Maybe they have been threatened with litigation over different prices for different people.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on April 22, 2012, 05:42:30 pm
They reduced the price because they hit the limit of what customers would pay and they were losing customers.  It obviously made better business sense to lower the price and make money on more subscriptions then to lose customers and make less money.  The free market at work.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on April 22, 2012, 06:30:32 pm
At that price I'll reup.  Hell, I'll start sending them money now.  Since we moved it's cheaper than the gas and the booze if I get bad.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 22, 2012, 07:57:37 pm
Form someone who doesn't get any of your teams televised games this isn't a bad deal.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2012, 11:56:33 pm
I fixed things so as I would get what I wanted.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on April 23, 2012, 04:55:55 pm
This NO thing is like a mine field.  Walk one way and a mine goes off.  Walk another way get close to the edge and safety....... and another mine goes off. 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-report-saints-gm-loomis-could-eavesdrop-20120423,0,725028.story
 Please note who was notified.  Here come the Feds.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on April 23, 2012, 06:38:00 pm
Honestly starting to wonder if they should strip NO of their Superbowl win.  Cheating should not be tolerated.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 23, 2012, 07:01:18 pm
Honestly starting to wonder if they should strip NO of their Superbowl win.  Cheating should not be tolerated.

 Hiber,

 I'd like to see how this plays out first.
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Post by: guest77 on April 23, 2012, 08:11:47 pm
This NO thing is like a mine field.  Walk one way and a mine goes off.  Walk another way get close to the edge and safety....... and another mine goes off. 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-report-saints-gm-loomis-could-eavesdrop-20120423,0,725028.story
 Please note who was notified.  Here come the Feds.

Wow, what a mess.  What's next, officials on their payroll?  The NFL takes a huge hit if fans start feeling the thing is rigged. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on April 23, 2012, 08:18:12 pm
My guess is this is nothing but the NFL letting the Saints know they need to stop fighting this and take their punishment.  Probably also showing the Redskins and Cowboys to not fuuuck with the NFL.
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Post by: 46 on April 23, 2012, 09:14:42 pm
btw when listening about this on the home commute, it came out that owner Benson's daughter, who has been groomed since day 1 to take over the franchise, got launched.....by dad.  Spending money like a drunken sailor, enjoying all ther perks, and dumping the work on subs (sounds familar to many of us , I know). That franchise, hell that city is total nuclear bomb site, everthing needs to go.  Memphis Saints anyone?  Just up the river.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 23, 2012, 10:17:54 pm
Apparently the Saints are not very saintly.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 25, 2012, 01:56:32 pm
This POS is headed for hard time, and deserves every day of it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/25/nate-webster-guilty-on-four-counts-of-unlawful-sexual-conduct/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 25, 2012, 07:27:15 pm

 MEANWHILE ...

 whats the last of the FA picks that teams can deal?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 25, 2012, 07:33:11 pm

 Wow, once the Commish comes in with the fines for the 27 players ...

 there may not be a NEW ORLEANS SAINTS ...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 26, 2012, 08:20:44 am
According to Jason Wilde of ESPN Milwaukee, the Green Bay Packers have informed Nick Collins that he'll be released. This news comes months after Collins sustained a brutal neck injury during the 2011 season that caused him to miss the final 14 games of the Packers season.

Collins was easily one of the best defensive players on the Packers roster, and also one of the better safeties in the entire league prior to his injury. He was voted to three straight Pro Bowls and All-Pro teams prior to the 2011 season.

So, what does this exactly mean for Green Bay and Collins?

For starters, it means that the Packers clearly don't feel that Collins is healthy enough to play, and they aren't comfortable putting him in a position that could cause him harm. We know just how much head coach Mike McCarthy loves Collins, and his statements about what he'd do if Collins was his son were truly heartwarming.

As for the future for Green Bay, they'll likely look to address the safety position in the 2012 NFL draft that starts tomorrow evening. Whether safety becomes a bigger and more pressing need than outside linebacker for the first round is definitely a question worth asking.

The issue for the Packers may be the lack of overall talent at free safety in this year's draft. Other than Markelle Martin for Oklahoma State, there aren't many prospects who would be ready to make an impact early in their career. Even Martin will take some time to learn the professional game.

One option would be to move Morgan Burnett from strong safety to free safety, and draft a strong safety to cover for Burnett. This move makes quite a bit of sense considering the ability that Burnett has at making plays on the ball.

Another option would be to stick with the combination of Jarrett Bush, Charlie Peprah and M.D. Jennings at free safety and keep Burnett at strong safety. To be honest, this option is a scary one for the Packers. Their secondary was torn apart last year by opposing offenses, and neither Bush or Peprah were able to make much of an impact.

Whatever happens in the upcoming days, one thing we can be completely certain about is that Collins will be greatly missed in Green Bay. I can guarantee that there isn't one person out there who won't wish Collins the absolute best for his future.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 26, 2012, 08:39:19 am
Clifton and Collins gone in the course of a week.

Looks like it's time for some of those youngsters on the Packers roster to step up.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on April 26, 2012, 08:59:34 am

I wonder if any teams give Collins a physical/tryout?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 26, 2012, 09:03:08 am
If I were Emery I'd bring him in on a one-year vet minimum deal, pump him for everything he knows about the Packers O and D, and then put him on IR.

That's how the Patriots would play it. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2012, 09:03:59 am
It wouldnt surprise me if some team did
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on April 26, 2012, 10:20:53 am
I dunno. That neck can be a tricky organ. It's like your shwanzetooker. Ya only got one.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 26, 2012, 10:41:42 am
Collins would never have to play a down for us.  Basically he'd be a "How to Beat the Packers" consultant with a number on the Bears roster.

Considering that we've been utterly unable to beat the Pack in the last 4 or 5 tries now, I'd consider that worth a roster spot.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2012, 10:54:38 am
Good point
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on April 26, 2012, 11:04:01 am

Do you really have to pay anyone for info on how to beat the Packers? 

Hmm...lets see.  Get a pass rush to keep pressure on Rodgers.   And protect your QB and complete passes to your WRs.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on April 26, 2012, 12:05:55 pm
ESPN.com reports: The Pro Bowl may have seen its final kickoff: The game, often a low-rated afterthought of an NFL season, is likely to be suspended this season and beyond, league sources said.

Even without a game, the NFL would keep its Pro Bowl balloting process to name the top players and would direct teams to negotiate Pro Bowl clauses into player contracts and honor Pro Bowl incentive clauses to avoid a conflict with the players association.


It's about time...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 26, 2012, 12:08:50 pm
Totally agree.

What they put out there this February as a "Pro Bowl" was a bad joke and a travesty of the game.

The players clearly did not want to be there so fine.  Leave it as a list and forget about playing.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: guest77 on April 26, 2012, 12:15:20 pm
I dunno. That neck can be a tricky organ. It's like your shwanzetooker. Ya only got one.

Shwanzetooker...LOL!!  That's a new one!!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 26, 2012, 12:21:28 pm
It's German... near as I recall.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on April 26, 2012, 12:29:09 pm
I probably mispelled it, I stole from a line out of young frankenstien, here's how it's really spelled - Schwanstuker , madeline kahn talking to gene wilder about the monster and his attachments. I know its way off the subject but to me still one of the funniest movies of all time.  Yiddish I think wiki said.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2012, 12:29:58 pm
Dont knock us Krauts. But that one was new to me
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 26, 2012, 12:32:45 pm
My German is limited but Schwanz is tail in German if I am not mistaken
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 29, 2012, 04:50:54 am

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SClmiso_2Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SClmiso_2Y)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 29, 2012, 09:02:30 am
Seems to me like all the AFC North teams did exceptionally well in the draft.

I think that Weeden guy will be a better QB than McCoy from Day One, and  will do well for the Browns even if his career is short cause of his age.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on April 29, 2012, 12:43:31 pm
bugs me that we wouldn't draft Mike Adams but the Steelers did.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 29, 2012, 12:47:28 pm
I find that curious too.  Apparently you can beat up co-eds (Rodriguez) and be OK in Emery's book, but if you smoke weed you're off the board.  The Steelers also have to be turning cartwheels that they got the best OG in the last 10 years even as low as they were drafting. Between DeCastro and Pouncey, that interior OL of theirs is rock-solid for the next 10 years.

In Emery's defense though...  if Alshon Jeffery keeps his mind and body right, I think he will turn out to help us more than Mike Adams would have, both immediately and over the long haul.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on April 29, 2012, 12:52:16 pm
I am super excited to see what Jeffery can do, if he keeps the weight down.  He has the potential to be a super stud.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 29, 2012, 12:54:26 pm
I saw a couple games 2 years ago (when South Carolina still had Garcia at QB), and I thought Jeffery was one of the best college WRs I had seen in the last 10 years.  He was facing off against SEC CBs who are now playing in the NFL and making them look silly. And keep in mind that Garcia, while better than the stiff that succeeded him, was by no stretch of the imagination an NFL caliber QB. 

If Jeffery had been able to maintain that level of play this last season he would have been drafted ahead of Floyd and possibly Blackmon too.  Here's hoping he gets his mojo back with the Bears. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2012, 03:38:41 pm
I think like Marshall that if Jeffery gets in sync with Cuttler, we could have something very special
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 02, 2012, 01:39:42 pm
Reports are coming in that Junior Seau has committed suicide in his home.  43 years old.

Holy sh*t.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 02, 2012, 01:46:02 pm
I heard this on NFLN earlier
4 Saints suspended 31 games.
Vilma got 16 games.
Hargrove (now with the Packers :-) got 8 games.
Will Smith got 4 games.
Scott Fujita got 3 games.
They said they were mostly targeting the team leaders and the NFLPA is planning to raise a stink related to lack of evidence.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7881761/nfl-bans-four-players-new-orleans-saints-bounty-roles
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 02, 2012, 01:50:18 pm
Well...  given that there are 13 weeks between the two Bears/Packers games this season, it's impossible for Hargrove to miss both of them. 

OTOH there's a good chance he'll miss at least one of them, even if appeals push the suspensions toward the end of the season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 02, 2012, 02:35:55 pm
NFL.Com is so lame.

Over an hour since the Seau story broke and they don't have a word up about it.  Still running the Saints suspension story.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 03, 2012, 09:59:14 am
Terrell Suggs tore his ACL, done for the year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 03, 2012, 10:31:40 am
Wow.  Lots of big (and mostly bad) stories around the league barely a week after the draft.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on May 03, 2012, 10:37:27 am
Terrell Suggs tore his ACL, done for the year.


Ain't karma a ****?  ;)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/terrell-suggs-goes-out-of-his-way-to-bash-tim-tebow?urn=nfl,wp15161
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 03, 2012, 10:39:44 am
After this development I'm sure the Ravens are even happier that they drafted Courtney Upshaw.

OTOH, contract negotiations with Upshaw just got a little trickier cause the rookie just gained a ton of leverage.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 03, 2012, 11:31:52 am
I think the contracts are slotted pretty well to prevent holdouts.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on May 03, 2012, 05:36:26 pm
yapper

Nobody does the Cade Mcnown contract negoiation style anymore.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on May 07, 2012, 08:07:20 am
The Jr Seau suicide has again brought back focus on NFL head injuries.

while Seau was not treated or known to have a problem, experts on CTE are now saying his behavior showed the signs.

Have you seen the McMahon interviews, or those from other retired players?   A 49ers fan was telling me Montana now speaks very slowly like somethings wrong.

Former linebacker Gary Plummer when finding that experts say "seeing stars" after contact is a sign of head trauma responded that happens 3-4 times a game.

I'm predicting soon the NFL will decide they have to do something about it, but what?

I thinks they may limit the number of snaps a player can play each game and each season.   Starters are going to be playing significantly less and probably roster sizes will increase to accomodate this plan.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 07, 2012, 09:58:18 am
I foresee some kind of clause in the new contracts that states that football is a violent sport and players cannot hold the NFL etc liable for any future injuries.

I can understand back years ago folks not knowing and I expect the NFL didn't realize it as well.  I can't see how guys now days don't know that if you play pro football for any length of time you are likely to at the very least have early arthritis in many of your major joints and your quality of life is going to suffer. For a lot of folks they should realize the effects are going to be more severe.
I imagine most LB, S, RB, FB, QB type of players who are in on a lot of tackles with lots of bangs on the head to end up with a high probability of at least mild brain/memory type issues and many to be more severe.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 07, 2012, 11:50:22 am
How can we justify professional boxing?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 07, 2012, 11:51:08 am
Exactly.  A "sport" where the explicit goal is to hit your opponent's unprotected head as often as possible until he collapses.

Doesn't get much more barbaric then that, yet all people can talk about right now is the NFL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 07, 2012, 12:06:04 pm
Would Muhammed Ali be severely depressed - if he knew he was alive?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 07, 2012, 12:59:02 pm
I thought about the boxing reference as well.
I mean if someone never has a concussion I expect they aren't as likely to have brain issues as someone who has had several.
I'm glad the Bears released HH because of the concussions he had. It appears to me that he isn't playing now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 07, 2012, 01:07:51 pm
Hunter Hillenmayer isn't playing, and in fact he's become a thorn in the Bears side since they let him go.  I believe he has a lawsuit in the works against the Bears right now pertaining to the medical treatment he was (or wasn't) given relative to his concussions.

HH seems like a decent, smart guy but I'm a little annoyed he's giving the Bears this much grief considering most other teams would not have kept him around as long as the Bears did.  Kinda seems like he's biting the hand that fed him pretty well for quite a few years.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on May 07, 2012, 01:13:33 pm
Someone needs to be.  Good luck with the lawsuit, you'll be facing a corps of lawyers.  Nothing gets the back up of the ultra rich like someone taking their money.  Giving is one thing, sort of like a king bestowing a knighthood because he deems it so.  Taking?  War. My idea for football/boxing is to do away with all helmets/pads/gloves.  Seriously.  You'll break your hand on a man's head if you try to hit too hard without gloves. 6oz-8oz boxing gloves are killing machines, much like today's nfl helmet.  Go Rugby, play in shorts and leather helmets.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 07, 2012, 01:20:39 pm
46, you might be on to something but then a bunch of companies would lose out on endorsements so you know that won't happen.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 07, 2012, 01:30:08 pm
Doing away with helmets and pads in tackle football might cut down on concussions...  but other things like shoulder separations, broken collarbones, deep thigh bruises, eye injuries and hip pointers would rise exponentially.  Not to mention that with the size and speed of the players involved, a single incident of head-to-head contact -- even inadvertently -- could very easily be fatal.

They'll shut down the NFL before they put millions of dollars of payroll out on a field without protective gear.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 07, 2012, 04:38:03 pm
I think they are striving to make it non-contact, just touchy feely.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 08, 2012, 12:42:36 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/08/matt-light-reveals-battle-with-crohns-disease/

Not a fan of the Patriots, but much respect to this guy.  To play at the level he did, for as long as he did, while dealing with this, is astonishing.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 09, 2012, 04:55:51 am
Watched Indoor/Out on DIY network the other day - the guys helped him build a massive outdoor fossilized stone kitchen at a camp he runs for kids.
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Post by: dallasbear on May 09, 2012, 02:00:19 pm

Coronado Biosciences is going through patient trials for treatment of Crohn's.  Symbol CNDO.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 10, 2012, 06:20:17 am
My son was diagnosed with Crohn's last year and spent most of the year suffering with it through August.  He went on a feeding tube, and then had surgery in October to remove a piece of his small intestine.  He is now on Humira to prevent the reoccurrence of the symtoms and so far so good, but the side effects of Humira are startling.  We are hoping that something safer comes out for him in the near future - always betting on medical science.  He is 21 years old too much life left to live to have to go through this, but that is often the age it is discovered.

Dallas - Thanks for positing.
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Post by: 46 on May 10, 2012, 09:40:54 am
Grizz- So sorry to hear about you son.  My wife used Humira for 2yrs but quit because of the side effects. Is your son doing ok with injecting himself?  My wife being a nurse had no problem, but some people.....don't like needles.  Thank god for health insurance, Those pins cost $1800.00
a treatment.  Hope his pain level is reduced.  We still have to get together for a beer sometime.
46
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 10, 2012, 04:26:56 pm
Wow...  REALLY glad we didn't draft this guy last year:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/10/daquan-bowers-tears-his-achilles-tendon/

What is it with Clemson DEs, anyway?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 10, 2012, 07:39:12 pm
Praying for your son, Griz.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 11, 2012, 05:30:48 am
Thanks 46 and Packy, I wasn't writing for support but appreciate it nonetheless.  He is doing well, back in school and working.  He has a strong support system and a great girlfriend, he is in the best situation possible to deal with this. 

He hates giving himself shots, he sounds like Jimmy Connor's trying to psyche himself up before taking his shots!   ;D

Hoping that new and safer therapies will come out for him as he goes on through life.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 16, 2012, 06:25:07 pm

 All for yours and your son G34.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 16, 2012, 07:37:56 pm
Thanks JJ
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Post by: yapper on May 17, 2012, 10:04:37 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/17/bills-get-stephon-gilmores-contract-done/

Gilmore is a CB who was taken 10th overall...  got a 4-year deal for around $12 mil total.

A couple years ago a guy in this position probably would have held out and wound up with a contract north of $25 mil.

Say what you want about the new CBA but I'm really liking what it's done as far as getting rookie salaries back in line and avoiding these protracted holdout scenarios. 
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Post by: navigator on May 17, 2012, 10:38:34 am
I agree, I like how the new CBA pays rookies. I think the new CBA also helped put us in a position where we aren't offering enough money to Forte with the way some of the other RBs got paid.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 17, 2012, 10:46:42 am
I also think it's gonna translate to a lot better morale at training camps.

Back in the day you'd have 1st round draft picks coming in with bigger contracts than some of the core veterans (often after a holdout to boot), and that made it very easy for those rookies to come in feeling entitled and of course the veterans were going to resent that.  So you had rookies who were way too full of themselves -- with way too much money on their hands and too little maturity and motivation -- and veterans who had no motivation to help the rookies succeed and in fact, just the opposite.  The Bears alone are littered with cases like this (Salaam, Enis, Benson, Terrell, McNown, etc. etc.).

But now if these rookies want to score the really big money it won't be till their 2nd contract.  Even the high 1st round guys. Which puts the pressure on them to keep out of trouble, play up to their draft position and stay healthy for the first 3-4 years.  So instead of rookies being handed more cash than proven veterans before they've even played a down, the veteran contracts become the target for the rookies to strive for.  Which is how "real-world" businesses operate and how it should have been all along.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 17, 2012, 11:46:35 am
I agree Yap, I wonder how a veteran cap would go.....
I mean isn't 10M per year enough for anybody?
Is Peyton Manning really worth $20M per year?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 17, 2012, 05:54:52 pm
The draftee signing process has certeainly become easier with the new contract.
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Post by: packrat on May 17, 2012, 06:00:08 pm
As a “National Day of Action” marking Malcolm X’s birthday on May 19 approaches, a wave of attacks by black mobs on whites has raised alarms across the country.
 
Given the Obama Administration’s known links to the Occupy Wall Street mobs and its open protection of the New Black Panther Party, which is one of the sponsors of the Day of Action, some conservatives are concerned that the recent wave of attacks apparently inspired by the Trayvon Martin case could be the inevitable result of an administration that has worked to divide the country along racial lines.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on May 18, 2012, 07:13:02 am
30 years worth of work averaging $100k/year= 3 million dollars. $10million for one year of work equals a bit over 3 lifetime careers for the average person. Actually could be SIX working careers if the annual average is $50k! Yea, I think $10m for a years work is pretty decent pay.......     .....    ....      .   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 18, 2012, 08:03:33 am
30 years worth of work averaging $100k/year= 3 million dollars.

Even $100K a year is pretty optimistic for the average Joe.  At least here in flyover country about the only people pulling that kind of coin are doctors, lawyers, high-level school administrators and people who are either successful business owners or senior management in a corporation.  Bankers and commodities brokers do OK, too.  The rest of us only dream about a six-digit salary.   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 18, 2012, 08:33:56 am
I've been in the IT industry for over 15 years and I'm not at 100k yet. I'm sure I could get into a travel/consulting role and get there but not in my current role.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on May 18, 2012, 08:37:56 am
I've been a bean counter since dirt was invented, I'll never sniff 100k.  Sorta like the bank tellers that make $5/hr yet handle thousands each day.  Starts to get to you.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on May 18, 2012, 08:54:44 am
Quote
Sorta like the bank tellers that make $5/hr yet handle thousands each day.  Starts to get to you.

Imagine the poor schlubs at the US mint or Fort Knox who handle millions of dollars of gold and cash daily! Stacking gold bars worth thousands each....gotta be a Honest Abe to work there! Thankfully we still have those kind of people to entrust with stuff like this.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 18, 2012, 09:02:45 am
Not as tragic as some of these Hollywood types raking in $$ for doing NOTHING
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Post by: dallasbear on May 18, 2012, 09:14:52 am
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Money for nothin' and chicks for free
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Post by: yapper on May 18, 2012, 09:19:46 am
Still trying to wrap my head around the fact that that Zuckerburg dweeb is worth something like $19 billion (with a b) as of this morning.

Talk about revenge of the nerds.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on May 18, 2012, 09:32:50 am
Don't worry, you could still kick his ass. Not that you would get close enough, of course.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 19, 2012, 03:06:27 am

 Speaking of concusssions ...

 Has anyone ever seen BuzzLight Years helmet from Toy Story?

 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVQF8wF6sM&feature=topics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVQF8wF6sM&feature=topics)

 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 19, 2012, 03:13:28 am

 BTW ...

 The alien space helmets in : Earth vs.The Flying Saucers (1956)

 Remember : Keep Cutler Upright !
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on May 22, 2012, 07:33:43 pm
Just saw Clevelands newly drafted qb from okst.  How old is he? 35? There's alot to be said for young legs.  Ask the Lakers.  Mccoy is that bad?
That was on and alot of Raven gush.  I guess Pitt is chopped liver anymore.
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Post by: packrat on May 22, 2012, 09:24:28 pm
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 22, 2012, 7:32 PM EDT
 
Getty Images
New Packers center Jeff Saturday participated in Organized Team Activities in Green Bay today, and he said afterward that he considers himself lucky to snap to Peyton Manning for the bulk of his career and then snap to Aaron Rodgers at the tail end of his career.
 
“I tell people all the time, I’ve already had a blessed career and now you’re just capping it off,” Saturday said. “I feel a little bit like a rookie. I’m in the [play]book a lot more than I’ve ever been, or at least since the ’90s. That’s quite a while. But it’s fun, too. It refreshes you.”
 
Saturday may feel like a rookie, but Rodgers said he thinks Saturday already has a good idea of what’s expected of the center in the Packers’ offense.
 
“As much up-tempo stuff that Indianapolis ran in his time there, it’s going to transition very well to some of the stuff we’re going to do,” Rodgers said. “Jeff’s really smart, knows the game really well, knows his strengths and limitations, and we’re excited to have him.”
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Post by: Phill23 on May 30, 2012, 02:27:21 am
IFL team releases Terrell Owens

Tim MacMahon | ESPNDallas.com
May 30, 2012, 2:45 AM ET


Terrell Owens' tenure in the Indoor Football League came to an unceremonious end Tuesday when the Allen Wranglers released the controversial former NFL receiver.

Owens signed with the Wranglers in February, receiving a six-figure salary and an ownership stake in the franchise located about 30 minutes north of Dallas. Owner Jon Frankel said Owens' ownership stake has been terminated because he violated his contract.

Frankel cited Owens' refusal to play in two upcoming road games that are critical to the Wranglers' playoff hopes and Owens' no-show for a scheduled appearance at a local children's hospital as the breaking points in the team's relationship with the receiver.

"Our fans are amongst the best in the league, and it is impossible to maintain a player when even our fans notice and comment on a player's lack of effort both on and off the field," Frankel said in a statement released to ESPNDallas.com. "We need to do what is best for this team, our fans and this community."

Owens, who was not required to play in all of the Wranglers' road games, released a statement through his publicist late Tuesday night. "I appreciate the opportunity that Mr. Frankel gave me and wish the Allen Wranglers all the best moving forward," he said.

The statement called the manner in which Owens was released "unfortunate." It said Owens played all games according to his contract and that his legal team is addressing details of the Wranglers' news release but that Owens' representatives could not comment beyond that. It also said Owens is focused on returning to the NFL.

The 38-year-old Owens, whose tenures with the San Francisco 49ers, Philadelphia Eagles and Dallas Cowboys all ended acrimoniously, had hoped that playing for the Wranglers could help him get back in the NFL. He received no interest from NFL teams last season despite ranking second all-time in receiving yards (15,934), fourth in touchdowns (156) and sixth in catches (1,078).

Owens played one season each for the Buffalo Bills and Cincinnati Bengals after being released by the Cowboys after the 2008 season despite being one year into a four-year, $34 million contract extension. He caught 72 passes for 983 yards and nine touchdowns for the Bengals in 2010.

After Owens recovered from knee surgery to repair a torn ACL he suffered after the 2010 season, agent Drew Rosenhaus organized a nationally televised workout to prove his client was healthy. No scouts attended the workout.

Owens caught 35 passes for 420 yards and 10 touchdowns in eight games for the Wranglers.

"It's disappointing and unfortunate," Frankel said of releasing Owens, "but [he] could no longer be tolerated by the Wrangler organization."
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on May 30, 2012, 02:55:38 pm
Owens is something else. Next thing you know, he'll be in the gutter naked eating the face of some homeless guy......
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 30, 2012, 03:22:10 pm
No-showing at a children's hospital?  That's about as much of a tool as anyone can be.

That all being said, I'd still bet Owens is back on an NFL roster at some point this season. Some teams are just that stupid.  Or desperate.
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Post by: dallasbear on May 30, 2012, 03:41:16 pm

I dunno...I think he's done.  He had that workout and invited all 32 teams...none showed.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 30, 2012, 04:05:08 pm
I'm still not quite believing he's 38 years old already.  I know he's been around a long time but still...

The flip side being, outside of football, 38 years old is pretty young.  In other words, if he doesn't get his s**t together pretty soon and figure out how to act like a reasonably decent human being I don't see the rest of his life turning out very well for him at all.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 30, 2012, 05:04:19 pm

Hope he has some talent outside of playing ball cuz I don't think he's saved much after playing 15 years of pro football.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 31, 2012, 05:55:46 am
Not sure what an NFL pension pays, but he will never starve.

That being said, he is too much of a loon to be given another chance.  He is absolute poison, maybe the lions will offer him another opportunity.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 01, 2012, 12:17:29 pm
St. Louis turns down Rams' $700 million dome renovation plan

The Sports Xchange
 June 1, 2012  11:36 a.m. CDT


The St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission on Friday turned down a $700 million proposal by the NFL Rams to renovate the Edward Jones Dome.

"It was expected," said Jeff Rainford, St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay's chief of staff, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "I think the Rams probably expected it ... and are preparing for arbitration."
The Rams and the CVC will go into arbitration if they can't make a deal by June 15.

The Rams' lease allows the team to leave the city by 2015 if the dome is not a first-tier facility in 15 areas. Their proposal was a counteroffer to the convention commission's $124 plan.

Rainford, who said he was against the proposal, said the bid was too expensive and impede the city from booking large conventions during the construction.

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Post by: packrat on June 01, 2012, 04:45:40 pm
Former NFL scout considers Packers' front office the best
By Bob Wolfley of the Journal Sentinel
 
May 30, 2012
Earlier this month ESPN Insider projected the future power rankings of NFL teams for the 2015 season, in effect predicting which teams are equipped to win not just this season but three seasons from now.

A panel of NFL experts evaluated organizations on five weighted categories as determined by former general manager Bill Polian: roster (32.5%), quarterback (17.5%), draft (15.0%), front office (15.0%) and coaching (20.0%).

The Packers finished first in the future power rankings for 2015, ahead of the Patriots, Giants, 49ers, Steelers and Lions.

On Tuesday, Gary Horton of Scouts Inc., who participated in the future power rankings voting, posted his list of the top seven front offices in the NFL. Horton was an NFL scout for 10 years and an assistant college football coach for 10 years.

He ranked the Packers' front office first, followed by the Patriots, Giants, 49ers, Steelers, Lions and Eagles.

"This is a blue-collar group without a lot of big egos, and the stability of this organization is outstanding," Horton writes about Green Bay. "It started a long time ago with Ron Wolf running the show as GM; his track record for success is well documented. The Packers made the seamless transition to GM Ted Thompson without missing a beat. Like Wolf, Thompson has a scout's mentality and is an executive who still visits colleges, watches film and believes in building primarily through the draft, yet he isn't hesitant to venture into free agency when he's targeting a specific need. Green Bay always has an eye on the future, isn't afraid to make tough decisions and doesn't succumb to outside pressure.

"All you have to do is look at how they managed the Brett Favre situation to know how this organization operates," Horton says. "Coaches coach and scouts scout in Green Bay, but everybody has a voice and Thompson is a consensus builder in terms of decisions. My feeling from talking to people and knowing what I do about how that organization operates is that the staff shouldn't miss a beat with several departures, including Reggie McKenzie's move to Oakland."

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/155790595.html#!page=1&page
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 04, 2012, 08:43:32 am
I had a bad feeling about this dude right from the get-go.  So glad we weren't in a position to take him.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/04/jags-issue-no-comment-comment-on-blackmon/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 04, 2012, 11:08:04 am
Once he catches TD's and win games for the Jags it'll all be forgotten.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 04, 2012, 11:39:06 am
I guess Blackmon hasn't signed his contract yet so that raises an interesting question of whether he's eligible to be suspended by the league.

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Post by: WshflThinking on June 04, 2012, 04:06:50 pm
Probably will once he does sign the contract he will be suspended.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 04, 2012, 04:13:13 pm
Probably will once he does sign the contract he will be suspended.

I'm not sure the league can do that since he wasn't under contract at the time of the offense.  And the same would apply for any suspension or fine the Jaguars would want to impose (though I suspect they won't do anything, regardless).

In any event I'm pretty sure he lost himself a big chunk of up-front money.  Or at minimum, probably ensured there will be some incentive clauses put into his deal.
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Post by: WshflThinking on June 04, 2012, 04:19:17 pm
Usually the Commish waits till the legal system is done before he layd down the hammer. I am not sure the system has finished with Blackmon.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 04, 2012, 09:03:52 pm
Once he catches TD's and win games for the Jags it'll all be forgotten.
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I doubt that.   Trouble seems to follow a lot of WRs.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 07, 2012, 07:21:29 pm
This is getting out of control:

NFL | lawsuit | head | injuries 2,000 Ex-Players Sue NFL Over Head Injuries
Thursday, 07 Jun 2012 11:27 AM


inShare inShare0 More than 2,000 former NFL players have joined forces in a lawsuit due to be filed on Thursday alleging the league deliberately and fraudulently concealed from players the risk of brain injury from playing professional football.

The master complaint joins together more than 80 lawsuits previously filed by former players on a topic that has generated increasing concern following the suicides of former players such as Pro Bowl linebacker Junior Seau on May 2.

The 86-page lawsuit was due to be filed at U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia.

"The NFL has long made player safety a priority and continues to do so. Any allegation that the NFL sought to mislead players has no merit," the National Football League said in a statement.

Former players complain precautions against brain injury have only been implemented in recent years, and that players from decades past were exposed to long-term neurological injuries as a result of repeated impacts, often returning to play prematurely after suffering concussions.

Joining the lawsuits "will allow the thousands of former NFL players and their families to finally hold the league accountable for its misconduct," the plaintiffs said in a news release.

Among those suing the league is Mary Ann Easterling, widow of Ray Easterling, 62, a former Atlanta Falcons safety who committed suicide in April after suffering from what she suspected was dementia in addition to depression and insomnia.

Also part of the suit is Kevin Turner, 42, a former Philadelphia Eagles running back who says he suffers from amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, also known as Lou Gehrig's disease, which he believes was caused by injuries sustained while playing in the NFL.

© 2012 Thomson/Reuters. All rights reserved.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 09, 2012, 12:47:52 am
NEWSFLASH! THIS JUST IN! PLAYING NFL FOOTBALL >>>IS<<< A RISKY ENDEAVOUR AND >>>COULD<<< POSSIBLY RESULT IN INJURIES! That is all....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 09, 2012, 04:51:25 am
LOL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 11, 2012, 01:07:37 pm
There are a lot of men (and women) in this country whose jobs put them at a lot higher risk than NFL players, and for a fraction of the money.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 11, 2012, 01:13:33 pm
A "fraction" is too big.  A sliver, maybe. C'mon, the players (and family!) KNEW what could happen.  Most of them attended some college.  They knew.  The money is gone. That's all.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 15, 2012, 11:16:36 am
Colt McCoy reportedly put on trading block by Browns
By Gregg Rosenthal

I wonder how much they want.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 15, 2012, 11:30:23 am

What?  You don't like Graham Harrell as your backup?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 15, 2012, 11:35:36 am
Never quite got all the love for Colt McCoy, especially after that BCS game.

If you're a QB and you can't hang with the Bama defense you might have a hard time in the NFL since that's basically the caliber of D you're gonna face pretty regularly as a pro. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 15, 2012, 11:39:39 am
Never quite got all the love for Colt McCoy, especially after that BCS game.

That's rather harsh.  The kid got injured.  If he's healthy - totally different game with Texas most likely winning.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 15, 2012, 11:44:30 am
Right but I mean physically he couldn't deal with the Bama D.

I watched every down of that game and I remember that play like it was yesterday.  That hit that put him out for the game wasn't a big hit by any stretch.  Couldn't believe that was all it took to put him out of the game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 15, 2012, 12:56:34 pm

I don't recall the hits on Cutler in 2010 and 2011 being 'big hits' that ended his season. 

Colt's biggest problem in the NFL is that he's just not that good but neither were his teammates.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 15, 2012, 01:18:58 pm
Colt will probably pick up somewhere as a backup...  but I'd venture that his days as a #1 are over.

Browns fans had better hope that Weeden is the real deal.  That franchise has been without a legit QB for about as long as I can remember.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on June 15, 2012, 02:43:08 pm
LOL about Hanie...

It was just over a year ago when some Broncos thought Adam Weber was better than Tim Tebow.
 
Now, Weber could be in line to be Peyton Manning’s backup.
 
Mike Klis of the Denver Post wrote that Weber’s currently working as the No. 2 quarterback in camp, ahead of free agent pickup Caleb Hanie or second-round pick Brock Osweiler.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 15, 2012, 02:43:18 pm
What?  You don't like Graham Harrell as your backup?

Not as well as McCoy.  A year or so in McCarthy's QB school could make a big difference. 
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 16, 2012, 07:03:56 am
The best non-signing we made this offseason.  What a complete tool...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/15/winslow-says-he-had-to-roll-because-of-schianos-ways/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on June 16, 2012, 08:23:24 am
Hahaha. That one tickled my funnybone. We dont need that here.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 16, 2012, 09:17:22 am
I can't believe the Bucs were good enough in negotiations to get that extra bag of funnyums.  That arrogant prick certainly wasn't worth it. He ain't his dad on the football field and that's a fact.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 17, 2012, 10:05:39 pm
This will, no doubt, go up on the  Packers' bulletin board:

Lions coach takes subtle dig at Packers

4:26 PM, Jun. 15, 2012

Written by

Rob Demovsky
Filed Under



Here’s an item from our friend and Gannett brother Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press yesterday after the final day of the Detroit Lions minicamp.
 
Lions coach Jim Schwartz, surely aware that the Green Bay Packers took one of their minicamp days to go to a local shooting range rather than hold a practice, had this to say at the close of Detroit’s camp:
 
“We had no sporting clays today or no amusement parks or water parks,” Schwartz said after the Lions’ final minicamp practice . “Work day of minicamp.”
 
As Birkett noted, the Lions did manage to fit a charity fishing tournament in their minicamp schedule.
 
Schwartz also said: “We take a lot of pride in the fact that we play for a blue-collar town and we try to reflect that kind of work ethic, and we have very few opportunities to practice this off-season. Ten OTAs, one minicamp and we talked in the beginning, every one was crucial and couldn’t afford to waste any of them. And that’s our point as a team.
 
“These guys will get out of here later tonight, some of them out tomorrow, maybe after the weekend. Some guys are staying in town. But they have plenty of time to enjoy the rest of their summer before they get to training camp. Today was a work day for us.”
 
 

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 25, 2012, 06:16:04 pm
The little Schwantz that thought it could......
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 26, 2012, 08:21:08 am
I hope the Lions fall fast and hard.  Bunch of D-bags, coached by a D-bag.

Just the latest incident in a string of many this offseason...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/26/lions-aaron-berry-arrested-for-dui/

It would give me great pleasure to see the Bears blow 'em out twice this year.  At the same time it's hard not to feel at least a little pity for Lions fans.  After all those years they finally have a team that can hold its own on the field...  only to have half the roster turn out to be total assclowns.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 26, 2012, 01:52:36 pm
I think, I could be wrong, but I think that's #6 in five months.  Yikes!  First it was the Bengals, now the Lions.... Hey!  Lions, Bengals, it has to be the team name! Get it? Cats? Get it? I Vote the NFL change the names.  Something like, uh, like The Detroit ummmm sewer rats, and The Cincinnati river rats. Nah too many rats. Let me think....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 27, 2012, 06:40:18 am
I love that assclowns isn't blocked...    ;D
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Post by: Keysbear on June 27, 2012, 05:20:40 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/chris-berman-trent-dilfer-call-second-half-espn-152649383--nfl.html

Speaking of assclowns...looks like MNF is going to become unwatchable.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 28, 2012, 08:20:32 am
motorcity in the news......
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--coach-jim-schwartz-must-put-an-end-to-the-lions--destructive-behavior.html;_ylt=ApbZuJRK7330GGRCRXIOQmlDubYF
I lived in that state for over 20 years and to this day don't miss it one bit. Watched the Bears on wbbm, Johnny Morris.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 28, 2012, 10:43:04 am
NFL to delay late-afternoon kickoffs

Sports Xchange
10:11 a.m. CDT, June 28, 2012


Last season, the NFL instituted new on-field kickoff rules. This season, the kickoff adjustment is schedule-related.

To avoid overlap with the end of games beginning at noon Chicago time, the league is shifting its mid-afternoon game start time to 3:25 p.m. CT for games that were scheduled to start at 3:15.

Games scheduled for 3:05 p.m. CT kickoffs remain unchanged.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 18, 2012, 04:13:46 pm
Saw on ProFootballTalk yesterday that Tim Ruskell has found a new gig...  as a regional scout for the Titans.

LOL. Now that's what I call a demotion.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 18, 2012, 07:40:45 pm
Appropriate!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 19, 2012, 08:20:23 am
Good deal on pushing back the late-game start times.

I've missed the first quarter of a few Bears games over the years because the first game of the doubleheader ran long and they wouldn't dump out of it, even when the game outcome was not in doubt.  Annoying as hell.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on July 20, 2012, 02:39:15 pm
Kenny Britt arrested again.  DUI at an Army base. Astoundingly poor judgement.  That's either the 8th or 9th time for Kenny.  Nashville sports continue to run off the cliff. Volunteer tickets anyone? Two best hockey players bailed.  Not a good time for Tn sports.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 20, 2012, 08:58:41 pm
Kenny Britt arrested again.  DUI at an Army base. Astoundingly poor judgement.  That's either the 8th or 9th time for Kenny.  Nashville sports continue to run off the cliff. Volunteer tickets anyone? Two best hockey players bailed.  Not a good time for Tn sports.

 The good news is : no BEARS players were arrested.  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 21, 2012, 06:59:26 am
You know coaches and GMs are praying to start training camp.  These guys can't get out of their own way...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 23, 2012, 01:57:46 pm
Although he was invited, Brett Favre didn’t attend the Packers Hall of Fame induction ceremony of his former coach, Mike Holmgren, on Saturday night at the Lambeau Field Atrium.

But prior to the event, Holmgren said he received a text message from Favre.

“I hear from (Favre) maybe once a year,” Holmgren said. “But he did text me and wish me well tonight, (said) some very nice things. We had a nice exchange.”

Holmgren, for one, is convinced Favre and the Green Bay Packers organization will one day get back together. Their relationship has been fractured since Favre was traded in 2008.

“I wasn’t here,” Holmgren said of the Packers’ rocky relationship with Favre. “But I know this. I know the principals involved, everybody involved, they’re all good guys. They’re all good men. My feeling is, time will heal anything. Now we’re talking about football, but I’m talking about anything. A little time, and it should work out just fine


A hole.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 26, 2012, 09:48:10 am
Posted by Evan Silva on July 26, 2012, 10:08 AM EDT
 
Getty Images
The Packers’ Wednesday release of safety Charlie Peprah was a surprise. Peprah started 14 games at strong safety last season, and had five interceptions. He was due just $1 million in base salary.
 
But the move opened the door for Charles Woodson’s long-speculated position switch. Jason Wilde of ESPN Wisconsin reports that Woodson opened Packers training camp Thursday at strong safety in the base defense. In Green Bay’s oft-used nickel package, Woodson dropped down to cover the slot receiver and M.D. Jennings entered the lineup at safety.
 
Woodson isn’t moving to safety full time, per se, and will continue to play all over the Packers’ defensive formation. But it sure does sound like he’ll be playing safety more in 2012.
 
Jennings made the Packers as a longshot undrafted free agent out of Arkansas State last year. Primarily a special teamer as a rookie, Jennings is getting a chance to win a significant role in Green Bay’s sub-package defense.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on July 26, 2012, 10:39:07 am
(http://www.charlotteobserver.com/images/misc/kalil.gif)

I can't help but think assuming the Bears make the playoffs and if Carolina surprises that a Lovie matchup against Rivera would be destined to happen somehow...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on July 26, 2012, 08:05:30 pm
Ye Gods espn has turned into the Peyto Manning/Denver Bronco gush machine  Enough already! They're turning me into a Raider fan! Al is looking up smiling from somewhere.  Crusty old son of a ****.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 27, 2012, 11:49:56 am
Agree 100% 46.  We are not getting fair coverage.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2012, 01:26:19 pm
Quote
espn has turned into the Peyto Manning/Denver Bronco gush machine  Enough already!

If you didn't already know that was going to happen then you must have missed the whole offseason.  It's going to be all about Manning in Denver and Tebow in NY.

That's it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on July 27, 2012, 01:31:07 pm
Don't worry...I'm sure the Rogers slurpfest will continue unabated.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on July 27, 2012, 01:36:20 pm
At least you don't have to hear about how RGIII is going to break all of Cam Newton's rookie records and take the skins to the Super Bowl like Chifaninva and I have to listen to everyday!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on July 27, 2012, 02:44:25 pm
For the most part, yeah, I skipped alot.  I don't need any more incentive to park my massive buttinski on the couch and swill warm beer.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 27, 2012, 07:21:30 pm
NFLN is as bad as ESPN in uneven team coverage.
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Post by: Pekin on July 27, 2012, 07:46:22 pm
Really?  I don't think so.  I feel like the NFLN is about as even reporting as you can get.

ESPN tends to love east coast teams.  The rest just follow the latest flavor which is understandable.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 27, 2012, 08:00:43 pm
You may be right about ESPN.  I don't watch them.  There is too much  about Jets, and day-after-day coverage of the same players on NFLN instead of wider coverage of all teams, to suit me.
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Post by: davebear on July 28, 2012, 12:57:35 pm
Colin Cowherd pointed out the obvious in his radio show.

ESPN gets the higher ratings when covering east coast teams, simple as that.

NFLN is more expansive but there is still more coverage of Tebow than  many teams like the Bears.
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Post by: wmljohn on August 03, 2012, 01:59:36 pm
The NFLN has the luxury of being able to spend time on other teams.

ESPN has to spread that same time not only over other teams but other sports as well.  They have to choose what to cut out of their coverage of other NFL teams.  If it isn't a catchy story then they most likely won't cover it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 03, 2012, 03:23:37 pm
Problem is how NFLN does the spreading.  They covert 5 or 6 teams and  the restof the time  bull****ting.  The rest of the league teams get ignored.  If I see one more series about the Jets I'll vomit.
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Post by: Pekin on August 07, 2012, 10:32:35 pm
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8229222/denver-broncos-qb-peyton-manning-talks

I like how he basicly is giving props to Urlacher and dissing the Lions at the same time.  Of course I am getting a bit worried about Urlachers knee.  Seems we always have a player or two every year who are supposed to be fine but then have to get  scoped and lose half the year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 07, 2012, 11:55:30 pm

 The better the NFC NORTH performs ...

 the more press we get.  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 09, 2012, 06:02:42 pm
Not on NFLN.
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Post by: packrat on August 10, 2012, 11:00:38 pm
Breaking Down the Packers Signing of Cedric Benson

By Zach Kruse on Aug 10, 2012 with 21 Comments


If you closely followed the transaction schedule during the first seven or so years of Ted Thompson’s reign as the Green Bay Packers general manager, you probably wouldn’t have a clue who is running the franchise over the last four months.
 
Once a rare participant in the free-agent market—instead choosing to build his football team through the draft and college free agency—Thompson has apparently evolved since the end of the 2011 season.
 
He signed free-agent defensive lineman in Daniel Muir, Phillip Merling and Anthony Hargrove and a replacement center in veteran Jeff Saturday. During the draft in April, Thompson aggressively moved up several times to nab names such as Jerel Worthy and Casey Hayward. Before the preseason even began, Thompson was forced to sign Reggie Wells, a 92-game starter in the NFL, to help patch up a banged up second unit offensive line.
 
And Friday, it appears Thompson has pulled the trigger on free-agent running back Cedric Benson.
 
12 months ago, could anyone have envisioned Thompson making any of the aforementioned moves?
 
But back to Benson. I find myself surprisingly neutral on the signing. There’s positives and negatives, each tugging one way but failing to win me over.
 
Here’s a quick breakdown of those positives and negatives:
 
Positives
 Benson has produced. Three-straight 1,000-yard seasons doesn’t just happen by accident, especially in today’s shootout-style NFL game. And after a difficult start to his professional career, Benson turned himself into a No. 1 back. That counts for something.
 He’s stayed healthy. Over the last two seasons, Benson has missed just one game. James Starks and Alex Green—the Packers 1-2 at running back before the signing—obviously can’t say the same.
 Perfect fit for the four-minute offense. The Packers’ offense struggled to put the lid on close games last season, mostly due to their inability to run the football in the four-minute situations. Benson brings a tough, inside runner who can pick up the gritty yards late to close out games.
 Benson can pass protect. According to Pro Football Focus, Benson allowed just one sack, one quarterback hit and two hurries in 74 pass-blocking snaps last season. He’s widely considered one of the best blocking backs. In the Packers offense, pass-protecting skills from a running back are heavily weighed.
 Maybe this lights a fire under James Starks. While I thought he was a different runner to start 2011, he’s been a dud so far to start 2012. Thursday’s debacle in San Diego was unacceptable, as Starks dropped an easy catch and then fumbled an exchange with Aaron Rodgers. One could argue he’s regressed in his third NFL season.
 Finally brings some experience. Outside of Starks, the Packers running backs have a combined 21 NFL carries. Without Benson, the Packers backfield likely ranks as the most inexperienced in football. Benson brings seven years and 1,529 career carries.
 
Negatives
 Benson is 29, and will be 30 in October. There’s a lot of wear on his tires, and it’s no secret why he was still without a team mid-way through August.
 He’s been in trouble with the law. The game he missed in 2011 was due to a suspension that resulted from two separate assault arrests, and the Bears released him in 2008 after two drunken driving incidents.
 No running back has fumbled more over the last two seasons. After coughing it up seven times in 2010, Benson put the ball on the ground five more times last season. Ball security is important to Packers coach Mike McCarthy, so we’ll see if there’s any correction there.
 Far from the most efficient running back. Benson’s career rushing average is just 3.8, and two of the three 1,000-yard seasons came with averages under 4.0. He needs a lot of touches to be produtive.
 Not the greatest receiver out of the backfield. Benson has 106 career catches, but he’s not going to be an upgrade as a pass-catching running back.
 Benson gets far too much credit for being a tackle-breaking back. Check out Pro Football Focus’ elusiveness rating from 2011 here. Benson ranks near the bottom, while Starks is fourth best. Interesting.
 If Benson sticks, he’ll steal reps and snaps from younger players like Green and Saine. Eventually, those guys need looks. And any chance of Marc Tyler making the 53-man roster probably just went up in smoke.
 
There’s a lot to digest with Friday’s (likely) move, including the fact that long-time starter Ryan Grant remains unsigned. Grant is younger, knows the offense, stays out of trouble and was a pillar in the locker room. Yet he’s without a job and Benson is likely preparing for a move to the east side of Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on August 12, 2012, 03:19:32 pm
Patriots have shown interest in Chad Clifton (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/blitz/index.php/2012/08/12/patriots-have-shown-interest-in-chad-clifton/)

I wouldn't mind if Phil kicked the ol' tires.  The Pats seem to be scrambling a little on the OL.  No worries at Halas Hall.
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Post by: davebear on August 12, 2012, 04:25:10 pm
That's because Solder was a turnstile this week
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 19, 2012, 05:52:24 am
Watching Vikings game.  Their rookie 7th round LB Audie Cole (sp?) looks like a keeper. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 20, 2012, 04:12:30 am
 Hiber,

 No shiiit ... 2 TD's.

 Cole could be a problem.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 20, 2012, 02:42:32 pm
Not the greatest receiver out of the backfield.

That is putting it nicely.

When Cedric Benson was with the Bears he had the worst hands coming out of the backfield of anyone I had ever seen.  And he was worthless in pass protection, too.

Now knowing the Packers luck, Benson will probably stay healthy, fix his fumbling, and get them 900 yards and 8 or 9 TDs...  but I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on August 20, 2012, 03:47:21 pm
Not if he has kept swilling the Grey Goose by the liter.  That stuff catches up with you.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 20, 2012, 07:54:17 pm
Now I know why the new owner did not trade for Tebow.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8286397/report-jacksonville-jaguars-play-multiple-home-games-london-starting-2013

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 21, 2012, 01:47:56 am
Now I know why the new owner did not trade for Tebow.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8286397/report-jacksonville-jaguars-play-multiple-home-games-london-starting-2013



 That lets us off the hook.  ;D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on August 21, 2012, 08:17:26 am
what does playing in London have to do with Tebow?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on August 21, 2012, 11:57:05 am
John 3:16   ??
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on August 21, 2012, 11:58:38 am
what does playing in London have to do with Tebow?

Tebow can't fill the stands in his hometown of Jacksonville if the home games are in London
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on August 21, 2012, 12:12:26 pm
Now I know why the new owner did not trade for Tebow.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8286397/report-jacksonville-jaguars-play-multiple-home-games-london-starting-2013



I read the link.  Glad the Rams backed out of playing a home game in London to focus on their fan base and to work out a lease.  They sound like they don't want to move but to try to make things work in St. Louis.
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Post by: navigator on August 21, 2012, 01:10:06 pm
it would only be 1 game per year in London, that means 7 home games in Jax. That is more games in Jax than if he plays in NJ.
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 21, 2012, 04:48:22 pm
precursor to final move to London.  Owner does not want to fill seats in Jax.  Book it 4 years from now London Jags.  Count on it.
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Post by: 46 on August 21, 2012, 09:20:32 pm
Well, that would give a whole new meaning to home field advantage or away game.  Play a monday nighter in say, Seattle, and a Thursday nighter in London. Hmmmmm.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 21, 2012, 10:47:22 pm
Tebow's favorite target is the ground.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/ground-emerges-as-tim-tebows-favorite-target,29210/

I think that this is hilarious.  I wonder if NFLN featured this, too.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Fearless Freep on August 21, 2012, 10:51:19 pm
Well, that would give a whole new meaning to home field advantage or away game.  Play a monday nighter in say, Seattle, and a Thursday nighter in London. Hmmmmm.

Or setting up enough local indignation to justify a move to LA.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Fearless Freep on August 21, 2012, 10:54:00 pm
As was done by the Bud Selig / Jeffrey Loria conspiracy that successfully moved the Expos to Washington.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2012, 09:33:45 am
That Jacksonville team is just a disaster from top to bottom.  As soon as they made Justin Blackmon their 1st round pick and then Jones-Drew started talking holdout, I knew their troubles weren't going away any time soon.

Why anyone would want to play for them -- or follow them -- is beyond me.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on August 22, 2012, 12:26:35 pm
I doubt Jax moves to Europe.
I would expect it to be hard to lure FA over there.
Away games would be really tough.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on August 22, 2012, 01:06:55 pm
I doubt Jax moves to Europe.
I would expect it to be hard to lure FA over there.
Away games would be really tough.

Former Mayor Daley Wants New Stadium, 2nd NFL Team In Chicago

CBS Chicago
August 22, 2012 9:57 AM


From time-to-time, the conversation about a second NFL team in Chicago comes up. This time, it’s former Mayor Richard M. Daley who is bringing up the conversation.

In an interview with Comcast Sports Net, Daley said the city should build a new stadium and add a second NFL team to the market.

“I really believe we could get a second football team,” the former mayor said. “I’ve always believed — the Chicago Cardinals, Bears — why is it that New York has two? Florida has three, San Francisco has two. Now you think of that, we could easily take — Chicago loves sports and we could get a second team in here.

“You could build a new stadium, you could have huge international soccer teams come in, you could do the Final Four, you could do anything you wanted with a brand new stadium.”

Many in Chicago believe the city should have a stadium with a retractable roof to be able to host events like the Super Bowl and the Final Four. Renovations to Solider Field left the stadium as the second smallest in the NFL. That, coupled with the lack of a roof, makes it a longshot to host a Super Bowl.

But where would the money come for a new stadium?

“It would be privately funded, the government could help a little bit,” Daley said. “But I’ve always believed we could take a second team. And every Sunday we would have a team playing in the National Football League. That would be unbelievable.”

Los Angeles is currently trying to recruit an NFL franchise back to the city with a new stadium. The St. Louis Rams, Oakland Raiders and San Diego Chargers are the teams that have been linked to a move to L.A.
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Post by: Sportster on August 22, 2012, 03:28:54 pm
OoooOOOO, a article from one of my LEAST favorite people, Former Daley. Rahm is making him look good somehow, though.
I doubt the people of Illinois care to buy another stadium that doesn't hold enough fans. It was ridiculous to have the second smallest stadium in the third largest city in America. No wonder the tickets are ridiculously high! Not exactly the best time to bring up a new stadium.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2012, 04:00:49 pm
The time to sell Chicago on a 2nd NFL team would have been when the Bears were in a prolonged run of sucking. As in, that stretch during the 70s, or possibly the last couple seasons of the Wanny regime.  The thinking being that the McCaskeys weren't / aren't being motivated to do enough to put a quality product on the field, then a competing franchise to "raise the bar" is necessary.

I do recall some of these arguments surfacing most recently with the recent run of underperforming by Lovie's teams and the obvious incompetence of the Angelo-led front office...  but even then it was pretty few and far between. 

With this past offseason's moves that began with the firing of Angelo, however, I would maintain those critics have largely been silenced, and that right now enthusiasm (and expectations) for the Bears are at an all-time high.  Without saying it, you get the feeling that a lot of NFC teams are looking at what Emery has done already during his time here and and are more than a little concerned at what the Bears could be IF they stay healthy and play to potential.  If they meet or exceed those expectations (i.e. a deep playoff run or even a SuperBowl appearance), Chicago will once again be a 100% Bears town, and any calls for a 2nd team will fall on deaf ears.

Not to mention that in the current economy and in light of the just completed shenanigans around the new Vikings stadium, any talk of pushing through a new-from-scratch second football stadium in Chicago borders on insanity.   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on August 22, 2012, 04:09:04 pm
"The government could help a little bit"  What a trough that would be for all sorts of people to drop their snouts into. I'd still be a Bears fan.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 22, 2012, 04:26:40 pm
Russell Wilson will get chance as starter.

Former Packer QB and former Badger QB battling for starting job in Seattle.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2012, 04:35:08 pm
I'm interested to see how Wilson pans out.

Seems like half the people think he's the next Drew Brees and the other half think he's Seneca Wallace (at best).

Definitely has the height thing working against him but that would make his success (if he acheives it) all the more intriguing.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on August 22, 2012, 06:53:07 pm
However....if the Bears totally tank this year, for whatever reason, AND a new team run by competent people came in, and put together a competitive team that consistently performed well, I bet a lot of people might just jump ship. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on August 22, 2012, 09:16:43 pm
Just a little problem with that scenario....WHO pays for the extremely expensive stadium?? I know virtually not one soul in the present situation that would think building another stadium to house rich athletes not to mention absurdly skyhigh ticket prices would be a wise decision. Most places are simply trying to keep their ships from sinking entirely! My place is considering a strike. The Company is asking outrageous things this contract and there's flat out no way it's gonna happen. I could be walking a picket a month from now. Got MUCH MUCH bigger fish to fry than some stupid football team/stadium!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 23, 2012, 09:38:38 pm
Posted by Darin Gantt on August 23, 2012, 9:58 PM EDT
 

Cedric Benson didn’t get the 100 yards he was hoping for tonight.
 
But he might have done enough to earn something bigger — a starting job with the Packers.
 
Benson celebrated his return to Paul Brown Stadium with six carries for 38 yards. The local fans have seen him produce, as he’s coming off three straight 1,000-yard seasons with the Bengals.
 
Benson wasn’t even the Packers’ leading rusher — that was quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who had 52 yards on six attempts, often roaming free on what you’d call a scramble if it was more urgent.
 
But Benson ran well early on for Green Bay, and on a roster where the next-best veteran bet is James Starks, there’s a chance for him to make the job his own.
 
Starks is out with a turf toe injury which could open the door, and Benson appears capable of doing all the running the Packers really need (which frankly isn’t much).
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 29, 2012, 10:58:26 am
I saw some of Russell Wilson's play his last preseason game.

The kid definitely has the "it" factor.  He's not your average sub-6' QB to be sure.  I was especially impressed with both his arm strength and accuracy.

I know a lot of people in Seattle are wondering why the 'Chickens inked Matt Flynn to that huge deal based on how Wilson has looked so far.
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Post by: dallasbear on August 29, 2012, 12:54:57 pm

Flynn signed with the Seahawks before the draft.
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Post by: yapper on August 29, 2012, 01:07:07 pm
Yeah I get that.  The Seahawks had no idea Wilson would be available in the draft when they signed Flynn.

In fact I was on the other side watching it...  wondering why the heck the Seahawks took Wilson in the 3rd when they had a bunch of other needs and had already committed big $ to Flynn.  Seems to all be working out for them though.  I'll be curious to see who their starter is when they come up on our schedule in December.
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Post by: packrat on August 29, 2012, 08:45:13 pm
A U of Wis QB starting as a rookie in the NFL.  Who'da thunk it?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 01, 2012, 12:13:00 am

 God help us ... CHICAGO BEARS take on the forces of SATAN.

 Nothing less then the GREEN BAY PACKERS.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6nmnPfs3EQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6nmnPfs3EQ)

 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 03, 2012, 06:32:59 pm

 Kahill Bell is working out with the Patriots.

 Damn shame we lost him.  :(

 Heard it was about money , not performance.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: ISF on September 07, 2012, 03:12:15 pm
Saints win appeal:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8349080/sources-suspensions-jonathan-vilma-smith-scott-fujita-anthony-hargrove-overturned-arbitration-panel
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 07, 2012, 03:37:43 pm
First the Williams boys (and a couple of Saints) make the league their biotch on the Starcaps thing, then the lockout, more recently the replacement refs, and now this.

Not to mention the countless asinine rule changes, concussion drama and an overall decline in the quality of play in general.

Makes the currently league leadership look really bad.  Not a good run for the Commish at all.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on September 07, 2012, 03:43:25 pm
it doesn't sound like it was overturned as much as "we need more information and these boys are going to play until we get it."
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 07, 2012, 06:55:44 pm
Agree.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 07, 2012, 09:51:13 pm

 How soon does Vilma go back to MLB for the Saints ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: guest77 on September 09, 2012, 03:47:40 pm
Skins pull it out against Saints at the Dome.  RGIII tossed for 320....damn!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 09, 2012, 06:34:53 pm
Just one game but RGIII looks like the real deal.

NFC East could be a lot more competitive then I expected if he keeps that up.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 09, 2012, 11:23:40 pm
Just one game but RGIII looks like the real deal.

NFC East could be a lot more competitive then I expected if he keeps that up.

 If Eli and the Giants keep playing the way they are playing ...

 looked like they were playing a pre-season game against the Cowboys.

 Philly is nothing to cheer about ... 4 INTS from Vick.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 09, 2012, 11:52:17 pm

 Game delayed by a lightning storm ? Whatever happened to NFL players playing thru anything?

 OK so you get hit by lightning ... thats what strechers are for.

 Cart em off the field and keep the game going ... geez ... buncha puuussys. 

 Like being struck by lightning is a big deal ... walk it off and get back into the huddle.  ;)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 10, 2012, 06:53:15 am
The season is long and the Eagles may compete for it all, but how do they get annoited every year to be Super Bowl contenders?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 10, 2012, 07:53:35 am
Eagles look overrated as usual.  Redskins may exceed expectations if Griffin plays like he did yesterday on a regular basis.

Giants are still strong (especially in the trenches) but Cowboys showed they are beatable.

NFC East looks wide open at this early stage anyway.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 10, 2012, 08:12:49 am
I also sense that the Saints may be over rated.  Like Sean Payton was just along for the ride.  I think his absence will have a big effect of the team.
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Post by: BearHit on September 10, 2012, 09:06:55 am
If they didn't outlaw that bounty system...
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Post by: stelz on September 10, 2012, 09:37:29 am
Hit by lightning...  LOL Jackie.  Rub some dirt on it
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 10, 2012, 08:08:18 pm
Good game Bengals and Ravens.  This is going to the wire.  24-13 as we speak...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 10, 2012, 08:21:29 pm
I have hopes thAt the young players on the Packers defense will improve as the season wears on but yesterday's game looked like a continuation of last year's play.  If  they don't step it up GB could be 0-2 after thursday.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 10, 2012, 08:32:11 pm
After last season I have been wondering about going all out for home field in the playoffs.  The Giants went into the playoff a couple of years ago seeded sixth and won the SB.  Then GB was seeded 6th and won the SB.  Last season GB was 15-1 for the season and lost the first play-off game.  Meanwhile, the Giants, seed sixth won the SB again.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 10, 2012, 09:06:40 pm
Good game Bengals and Ravens.  This is going to the wire.  24-13 as we speak...

Wow.  I am the kiss of death, eh? 

Packers looking good though...   ;D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 10, 2012, 11:55:32 pm
Wow.  I am the kiss of death, eh? 

Packers looking good though...   ;D

 LOL ! Ravens said to Cinncy ... welcome to town ...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2012, 12:41:34 pm
Here's some real BS....GB should not be in the top 10 after losing!

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2012/week/2  (http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2012/week/2)
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Post by: yapper on September 11, 2012, 12:58:43 pm
Wanna know what's really funny?

In the ProFootballTalk rankings, the Bears actually DROPPED 3 spots after their win yesterday.

That's OK though.  Keep disrespecting our boys... makes em play better. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 11, 2012, 02:40:07 pm

NFL Rankings?  Are the Bears trying to get a bowl bid?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2012, 03:50:50 pm
What's that supposed to mean, Dallas?
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Post by: dallasbear on September 11, 2012, 03:59:53 pm

I ask the same thing about NFL rankings.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 12, 2012, 09:52:37 pm

 The shiiit is going to hit the fan on Thursday.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 16, 2012, 11:01:22 pm
The shiiit is going to hit the fan on Thursday.

 And it did.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 17, 2012, 06:20:31 am
Omayale starting at left tackle for the Seahawks and obviously did okay...  Okung was injured
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Post by: yapper on September 17, 2012, 12:18:32 pm
It's pretty obvious at this point that all of the NFC West teams have made some pretty significant strides since last season.  San Fran, Seattle, the Rams and the Cards all won their games yesterday and when was the last time that happened?

Not sure you can argue they're the worst division in the league anymore.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 18, 2012, 02:58:35 am
It's pretty obvious at this point that all of the NFC West teams have made some pretty significant strides since last season.  San Fran, Seattle, the Rams and the Cards all won their games yesterday and when was the last time that happened?

Not sure you can argue they're the worst division in the league anymore.

 Yap,

 I dont know if there is a worst division in the NFL anymore.
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Post by: navigator on September 18, 2012, 07:27:12 am
you're right about the bad divisions.... If you think about it there are few really bad teams anymore.
Most all teams are competitive.
I wouldn't be surprised if the team with the #1 pick this year has 4 wins unless that team has some major injuries to key players.
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Post by: yapper on September 18, 2012, 08:05:23 am
So I guess Jay Cutler isn't the only QB capable of stinking it up in primetime, at least.
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Post by: navigator on September 18, 2012, 08:16:48 am
yeah, 2 picks on your 1st 2 drives is unreal.
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Post by: navigator on September 18, 2012, 08:26:55 am
I love the media and how they can confuse things.....
Read the two bold statements below....
Ryan was much more efficient but had almost the same completion percentage for fewer yards. Yeah Manning threw 3 picks but I wouldn't say Ryan was much more efficient.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ryan-falcons-beat-mistake-prone-074408154--nfl.html

''Each turnover has its own story that no one really wants to hear,'' Manning said. ''I've just got to take care of the ball better.''
He finished 24 of 37 for 241 yards, including a 17-yard touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas just before halftime.

Willis McGahee rushed for 113 yards and scored on a pair of 2-yard runs in the final 12 minutes.
Ryan was much more efficient than the four-time MVP, completing 24 of 36 for 219 yards.
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Post by: yapper on September 18, 2012, 08:31:34 am
Yeah, and Peyton actually has an OL in front of him too.
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Post by: BearHit on September 18, 2012, 10:19:43 am
Also saw how the Packers "manhandled" the Bears.... but Rodgers actually had a mediocre set of stats considering the manhandling
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Post by: navigator on September 18, 2012, 11:02:39 am
I think their D man handled our O.
Our D must have played pretty well else with so little offensive output they would hung 50 on us.
Next week we might lose a 37-34 shootout because the D doesn't show up but the O does.
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Post by: packrat on September 18, 2012, 07:53:36 pm
I think their D man handled our O.
Our D must have played pretty well else with so little offensive output they would hung 50 on us.
Next week we might lose a 37-34 shootout because the D doesn't show up but the O does.

That's true.  The GB offense nevder was able to get in sync.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 22, 2012, 02:01:09 am

 DAAA BEARRRRRRRSSE win at home against ... CLEVELAND - LOS ANGELES - SAINT LOUIS !

 The current reincarnation of the RAMS.

 Anyway ... we are going to win.  :D
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Post by: Sportster on September 24, 2012, 11:24:51 pm
I really don't want to hear the crying from the Packers hoard about this game. The refs missed at LEAST two calls that could have turned the tide in the last couple drives. The false PI that kept the Packs scoring drive alive, the questionable first down by Rodgers when the shot above shows his knee down, and the ball NOT across the yellow line. At least it should have been moved back some and measured. The clear PI by Woodson during the Hawks last drive that was not called. And a offsides by Matthews that wasn't called. But everyone's gonna whine about the very last screwed up call.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 24, 2012, 11:38:28 pm
I really don't want to hear the crying from the Packers hoard about this game. The refs missed at LEAST two calls that could have turned the tide in the last couple drives. The false PI that kept the Packs scoring drive alive, the questionable first down by Rodgers when the shot above shows his knee down, and the ball NOT across the yellow line. At least it should have been moved back some and measured. The clear PI by Woodson during the Hawks last drive that was not called. And a offsides by Matthews that wasn't called. But everyone's gonna whine about the very last screwed up call.

 It's the screwed up calls that are making this game a joke.

 I will however TAKE FIRST PLACE.

 We are going to get hosed by these refs sooner or later anyways.  :o
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Post by: Sportster on September 24, 2012, 11:51:18 pm
Yea, every game will have its blown calls until the true Refs are back. Boy they're sitting pretty tonight, huh! Got a GREAT contract coming, all SORTS of ticked off GB fans in the leagues hair, and we Bears fans are LOVING EVERY MINUTE OF IT! LOL!
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Post by: navigator on September 25, 2012, 06:37:55 am
I saw one play where the packer LT had his arm around the neck of RDE and no call.
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Post by: Fearless Freep on September 25, 2012, 07:14:25 am
NFL losing credibility with each blown call by replacement refs (http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-0925-plaschke-nfl-officials-20120925-28,0,1808277.column)

Takeaway:

Want to know my favorite statistic of Week 3 before Monday? Sixteen of 20 coach's challenges resulted in overturned calls, meaning officials made the wrong decision on 80% of some of the biggest plays. Think about that.

 Want to know my second-favorite statistic? When you crunch the numbers, if the NFL gave the locked-out referees everything they wanted, it would cost about $100,000 extra per team per season. That equals about four games' pay for one of a team's lowest-paid players. The owners are watching their sport burn because they won't improve the officials' compensation by about one-fourth the amount they would pay a backup guard? Think about that.


 OK, real quick, I've got a third-favorite statistic from last weekend. There were 13 penalty first downs in the game between the Patriots and the Ravens, which is only the most in the history of the
  NFL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 25, 2012, 08:08:07 am
The problem with what went down last night is that if/when the regular refs do return, it sets things up for make-up calls to go the Packers way the whole rest of the season...  and right into postseason assuming they get there.

That could come back to bite the Bears big-time, specifically in our late season re-match with them which could very well be a game with major playoff implications.

So yeah enjoy the Bears one-game "lead" over the Packers, but understand that in the final analysis we may have won the battle but lost the war last night. 
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Post by: navigator on September 25, 2012, 08:10:29 am
if our OL can't get on track we are done anyway, it won't matter.
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Post by: yapper on September 25, 2012, 08:18:08 am
Speaking of bad OLs...  Packers unit last night was brutal, especially first half.

They had already looked below average against our DL, but the Seahawks were just owning them. It's a huge credit to Rodgers that he never turned the ball over one time through all that. 
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Post by: 46 on September 25, 2012, 08:45:02 am
Guy's good, no doubt.  And yeah, they got hosed.  Not the first, won't be the last. Being a bear fan I learned a long time ago not to let it effect the rest of your day.
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Post by: dallasbear on September 25, 2012, 09:06:36 am
Speaking of bad OLs...  Packers unit last night was brutal, especially first half.

True, but the Packers adjusted in the 2nd half by running the ball and going to quicker passes to negate the rush.  End result:  2 TD drives

Of course they do have Aaron Rodgers who I have to admit is incredibly mobile and accurate.
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Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2012, 08:01:45 pm
I was sure a new record was gonna be set for sacks last night....should have been, really....
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Post by: packrat on September 25, 2012, 09:32:24 pm
I hope that GB has the opportunity to play Seattle again this season. 
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Post by: Sportster on September 26, 2012, 11:17:39 pm
So now the report is a tentative deal has been done to bring the refs back in. So we'll probably see some real screwed up games for a month or so till the refs get back up to speed....
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 26, 2012, 11:44:45 pm
So now the report is a tentative deal has been done to bring the refs back in. So we'll probably see some real screwed up games for a month or so till the refs get back up to speed....

 Thats of course somtimes ... why they play the game.

 I'm gonna go make a ham an swiss with mayo an mustard ... whole wheat bread.
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Post by: Sportster on September 27, 2012, 12:32:12 am
Take turkey with honey mustard on a pretzel roll.....
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 27, 2012, 02:00:44 am

 Seems the REAL REFS will be back by Sunday ... along with a sandwich.
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Post by: BearHit on September 27, 2012, 06:47:30 am
I thought it was just "getting old"

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/national_world&id=8820885

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Post by: Keysbear on September 27, 2012, 08:07:15 am
and of course the real refs never blow calls...
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Post by: davebear on September 27, 2012, 08:09:47 am
Tune in here Monday night.

The reals refs are already bought and paid for to give Dallas all the breaks.
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Post by: Phill23 on September 27, 2012, 12:08:15 pm
and of course the real refs never blow calls...

That's TELLING IT LIKE IT IS!!!
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Post by: BearHit on September 30, 2012, 11:50:25 am
Dallas, you feel that?

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Earthquake-Shakes-North-Texas-171963191.html

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Post by: dallasbear on September 30, 2012, 01:47:30 pm

Nope, it was west of Dallas and I'm north.  Them quakes don't happen much round these parts, that's fer sure.
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Post by: Pekin on September 30, 2012, 08:23:35 pm
That hold they just called on the Giants was way less obvious then what Green Bay does on most plays.  The Giant actually got off of him once the Eagle turned the corner the Packers OL holds all the way to the whistle. 
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Post by: Sportster on September 30, 2012, 10:39:23 pm
Boy the end of this game is crazy! Some bad calls both sides, Giants and Beagles. And the Phillies coach just about blew it on a timeout at the end, calling it a split milisecond before the kick, the kicker missed it they would have won. Lucky for them the second kick JUST fell short because it was dead on. Crazy stuff and definately some rust with the refs.....
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Post by: Pekin on September 30, 2012, 10:41:43 pm
Anyone else think the labor dispute win and crowds applauding them went to their heads?  Every game I have watched the refs have played a bigger part then ever in deciding the games.

Maybe it is the way it has always been but is more noticeable since everything has been about the refs since this season started.  They certainly have not been much better then the replacements were.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 30, 2012, 10:46:51 pm

 Eagles OWN the NYG's at home.

 Trouble is ... NYG's go on to win Superbowls.  ::)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on October 01, 2012, 09:45:06 am
See the end of the Falcons/Panthers game?

Matty Ice did something very similar to the Bears a couple years ago
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Post by: 46 on October 01, 2012, 10:22:10 am
Terriible news coming out of Indy about the coach. Lukemia.  Nothing but the best for him and his family.
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Post by: dallasbear on October 01, 2012, 10:22:56 am
I was thinking the same thing!  Except the Panthers got Ryan in the hole to start that drive and the Bears gave him all that free yardage on the squib kick off.

Bears really didn't get much help yesterday as the Vikings, Packers, 49ers, Falcons, and Cardinals won, but the Seahawks and Lions lost.
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Post by: yapper on October 01, 2012, 10:30:17 am
That Vikings win was a bit of a fluke in that their offense only scored 6 of the 20 points.  Not many teams are gonna give up 2 TDs on returns like the Lions did yesterday. But make no mistake, the Vikings are a solid team.  Their defense is playing great fundamental football, Adrian Peterson is running with more confidence each game and Ponder has progressed light years from his rookie season.

Any Bears fan who thought the Vikes would be good for two "gimme" wins this season (as I did) had better be seriously re-thinking that.
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Post by: packrat on October 01, 2012, 10:53:19 am
It is no surprise that the officiating yesterday was sub-par.  Officials really do need a pre-season to sharpen up, just like players. 
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Post by: wmljohn on October 01, 2012, 10:55:31 am
They are doing a one day training Camp for all officials this Friday in Dallas.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 02, 2012, 06:20:30 am

Any Bears fan who thought the Vikes would be good for two "gimme" wins this season (as I did) had better be seriously re-thinking that.

"Glass half full" Yapper?  Who'd a thunk it?  But then you go and drain the glass...   ;D
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Post by: WshflThinking on October 02, 2012, 07:35:22 am
Well I certainly thought before the season began that we could expect 2 W's from the Vikes. If they do get 2 w's they will definitely be hard fought. Vikes have certainly gotten their act together
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Post by: wmljohn on October 02, 2012, 11:10:56 am
Isn't it about time for a V2 or Dougy sighting on the boards?
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Post by: packrat on October 02, 2012, 07:12:13 pm
Maybe those two Ws will come from Detroit.  They are an enigma.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 02, 2012, 07:20:54 pm
Has Nick Fairley played yet?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 02, 2012, 11:45:59 pm
Isn't it about time for a V2 or Dougy sighting on the boards?

 Dont Know

Maybe those two Ws will come from Detroit.  They are an enigma.

 Dont know

Has Nick Fairley played yet?

Dont know
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Post by: yapper on October 03, 2012, 07:52:30 am
I remember how my brother (Vikings fan) and I both looked at each other and went "oh sh*t" when the Lions announced Fairley as their pick.  Dude was a straight-up beast in SEC college ball and we figured with him and Suh paired on the inside the Lions DL would be tearing the division a new one from Day One.  Thankfully, that hasn't happened...  yet, anyway.
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Post by: BearHit on October 04, 2012, 12:09:21 pm
An interesting matchup tonight (for insomniacs)

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012100400/2012/REG5/cardinals@rams#menu=gameinfo&tab=preview

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Post by: yapper on October 04, 2012, 12:17:52 pm
Yeah...  Cardinals / Rams.

When that came out on the schedule before the season started I was like, "seriously?"  It looked to be the mother of all dog games.

But actually both of these teams are much improved and I think it has the potential to be worth a look.  Nothing I'm gonna plan my whole evening around but if I have the chance to drop into a sports bar or something for the 2nd half I may wind up doing it.

In any event I'm pretty sure it will be more competitive than some of the Sunday matchups we're looking at this week  (Packers / Colts, Ravens / Chiefs, etc.).
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 06, 2012, 03:31:29 am

 The Fuuckin NFC has IMPROVED ... like we didnt expect.

 Not just from the same old divisions ... NFC EAST ...NFC NORTH.

 The NFC WEST at this point in time are PLAYERS.

 The NFC SOUTH is for REAL with ATL. etc.

 This NFC CONFERENCE is the real deal.

 This isnt going to be some kind of cakewalk.

 These fuuckers are serious.
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Post by: packrat on October 06, 2012, 07:26:07 pm
I agree.  Seems  there are up years and down years.  This looks like an up year.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 08, 2012, 12:37:26 am

 Week 5 didnt turn out the way anyone expected it.

 Could the Jets beat Texans on MNF?
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Post by: yapper on October 08, 2012, 08:26:03 am
Could the Jets beat Texans on MNF?

Ummm...  no.  Jests are a trainwreck this year.
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Post by: navigator on October 08, 2012, 09:21:16 am
I don't understand NFLN, they show a lot of highlights from the same games over and over and a lot of times the game was on TV.
I don't know how many times I have seen the hightlights from the GB/INDY game but have yet to hear of any news about the Bears/Jags.
I guess Cutler will have to tick someone off to get any coverage.
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Post by: yapper on October 08, 2012, 09:28:39 am
The Bears / Jags game was dead boring the first half and a blowout in the 2nd. Not much of a storyline from the network's perspective.

On top of which the Pack always snags primo coverage, win or lose, and you had the new golden boy (Luck) leading his team to an upset victory with their HC in the hospital.  So yeah, that game is gonna get a lot more ink just cause of those factors. 

But yeah, for two small-market midwestern teams at .500 or worse to pull that much media attention in an intra-conference tilt is still a little extreme. 
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Post by: Sportster on October 08, 2012, 10:26:20 am
I've heard a lot more about RG3 getting knocked out of the game and what Luck did to GB than anything else. NFLN is completely stuck on the new QB kids on the block....
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Post by: yapper on October 08, 2012, 10:30:53 am
Now that Cutler played a decent game and didn't act-out on the sidelines, the media doesn't have anything to write about when it comes to the Bears.

Never mind that two our defensive players made history yesterday being the first teammates to each score a defensive TD in back to back games.
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Post by: Phill23 on October 08, 2012, 10:32:19 am
They're the future and going to get the exposure until the next crop of franchise QB's are drafted next year.   That's the way it is. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on October 08, 2012, 10:32:59 am
I was really hoping Kirk Cousins won the game for the Skins after RGIII got blasted - that would have ignited a good Dan Snyder bashing
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Post by: 46 on October 08, 2012, 02:45:12 pm
No love for the Bear as usual. I know that's the way it is re: the new kids on the block, but the nfln/espn hype machine is wearing more and more thin the  longer I listen to it. Everything it seems is scripted these days, and in that wwf like scrlpt, Cutler is a "bad" qb. The best he can do is no mention. As I mentioned before I feel bad for the Colts coach and wish him nothing but the best, but using that as "motivation" not only cheapens the man's problems, but in my mind brings in the question that if the Colts or anybody else in the nfl needs that to play their best, what the hell are they going to do next week? nex year? Micheal Jordon would kill you to win a game of tiddlywinks.  I thought ALL pro players in ALL pro games were like that.  Silly me. It's all starting to pale.  I need to take up drinking again.
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Post by: Pekin on October 08, 2012, 05:39:30 pm
You quit?   :o
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Post by: 46 on October 08, 2012, 06:29:56 pm
The 46 has been clean and sober for several hundred mintues now. I knew I could do it.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 08, 2012, 10:12:48 pm
The 46 has been clean and sober for several hundred mintues now. I knew I could do it.

 Try this Long Island Iced Tea ... with a Michelob chaser.

 Mmmmmmmmmmm
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Post by: Phill23 on October 10, 2012, 12:58:57 am
'Webster' star and Detroit Lions legend Alex Karras near death


http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/10/09/webster-star-and-detroit-lions-legend-alex-karras-near-death/
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Post by: yapper on October 10, 2012, 07:47:54 am
No, not Mongo!
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Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2012, 08:11:12 am
Mongo??? Isn't Steve McMichael Mongo???
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on October 10, 2012, 08:13:08 am
Not the original...see Blazing Saddles.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2012, 08:43:16 am
Forever to be remembered horse punch.  The NFL and the world need more Alex Karras's.  The man wrestled Dick the Bruiser for God's sakes! Dick the frickin Bruiser! I hope the Lions show some class about this, but being the Lions who the hell knows?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 10, 2012, 08:51:18 am
Karras had about 1/10 the physical talent of Suh and Fairley...  and 10 times the heart and class of those two clowns combined.
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Post by: 46 on October 10, 2012, 03:51:11 pm
R.I.P. Alex Karras.  He would have made a great chicago Bear.
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Post by: dallasbear on October 10, 2012, 04:16:58 pm

Alex had a brother Ted who played for the Bears and was on the '63 championship team.
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Post by: yapper on October 10, 2012, 04:42:58 pm
I always thought it was funny that Steve McMichael was called "Mongo".  But then you look at the two side by side and...  well...  it fit.

And with McMichael being from Texas and all.

Y'all should look him up on Google Images.  He kinda looks like he could be related to Meat Loaf now. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2012, 04:58:58 pm
I had no idea.  Being from Gary, you would have thought they grew up  Bears fans though. Gary Indiana during and right after wwII must have been monster of a place for work.  I heard stories of telling your foreman to shove it, punching out before lunch, and having another job by that afternoon. Steel mills are not pretty sites, but they sure as hell help pay the bills.
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Post by: yapper on October 10, 2012, 06:45:09 pm
My uncle was a steel worker in Gary. He worked that job his whole life after getting out of the Marines and he was a stone cold badass. Even at age 60 he could outdrink guys half his age and whip their azz in a bar fight too. I greatly feared and much admired him, all at the same time.
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Post by: Sportster on October 14, 2012, 08:03:56 pm
The Texans suck! ONE guy on the Pakers is killing them...Matthews. They can't get it in their thick skulls to target that sucker and put his butt on the ground. It's embarrassing to watch. Glad I'm not a Texan fan. Matthews is in on nearly every play and they can't figure out to block the guy....idiots......
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Post by: otto105 on October 14, 2012, 08:22:30 pm
Yup, here come the refs to houstons rescue.
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 14, 2012, 08:24:58 pm
Went to T.B. Bucs game today.  Literally roasted to death.  I will never go back to Raymond James Stadium in September or October (even if the Bears play). 

I am not one to complain about heat but it was brutal.   Game wasn't great either. $7.50 for a beer.  Two thumbs down.
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Post by: guest77 on October 14, 2012, 08:27:18 pm
been there, done that. it's an oven in that place until at least November.
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Post by: Sportster on October 14, 2012, 08:32:53 pm
These BS calls for GB on PI have got to stop...that was total bs!!! Who can play against them when the refs do nothing but throw flags??? You can't defend against a flag.....it's bs....
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Post by: otto105 on October 14, 2012, 08:34:37 pm
Defender has to look for the ball if he is going to intiate contact with WR.
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Post by: otto105 on October 14, 2012, 08:36:05 pm
Turnover coming for Houston...
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Post by: otto105 on October 14, 2012, 08:39:21 pm
Besides, we are even on PI calls tonight.
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Post by: otto105 on October 14, 2012, 08:52:38 pm
Now Houston is up one PI call. That was a BS call on Finley.
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Post by: yapper on October 14, 2012, 08:57:57 pm
Rodgers is just shredding that vaunted Texans D. They have no answer for him.
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Post by: Sportster on October 14, 2012, 09:05:14 pm
Why teams don't double up on Matthews just stuns me. He should have two on him every play. But time after time I see him tackling from behind because no one is paying attention to him, or shooting a gap because a lineman is too friggin stupid to watch for him. He should be target No.1 to stop on that D. Do that, you'll have more success against them, I guarantee it....
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Post by: stelz on October 14, 2012, 09:26:31 pm
BS drive for GB.  That penalty on Manning...
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Post by: Sportster on October 14, 2012, 09:28:49 pm
The League wants GB in it. It's pretty obvious. The reg refs are giving them the calls. Hard to beat that. They've given them TWO punt or kick reversals this game alone over petty crap. Two that would have given the Texans the ball....
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Post by: Sportster on October 14, 2012, 09:30:08 pm
What I find totally laughable is they flagged the Texans for supposed offsides on the first punt and that's exactly what Matthews does nearly EVERY PLAY! Watch it...you'll see his head is over on nearly every down....
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Post by: otto105 on October 14, 2012, 09:34:52 pm
BBBWWWWWAAAHHHHHHH!
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Post by: yapper on October 14, 2012, 09:35:40 pm
Say what you want but the Packers two best games this year by far have both been in primetime.

They just know how to play big when they're in the spotlight. Most impressive is that they are doing this while being down several key players.
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Post by: stelz on October 14, 2012, 09:37:14 pm
Well if what Collinsworth is saying is true, the Bears will beat Texas.  Bears are stopping the run.
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Post by: Sportster on October 14, 2012, 09:41:44 pm
Texans are way overrated. Pretty apparent tonight, losing to a team that got beat by the Colts....at home, yet...
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Post by: stelz on October 14, 2012, 09:47:37 pm
Maybe pack can choke one away again.  I mean gag.
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Post by: stelz on October 14, 2012, 09:54:11 pm
Or.......maybe not.
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Post by: JeffH on October 14, 2012, 09:58:09 pm
One of the worst performances in Sunday Night Football history.

Wade Phillips is on suicide watch.

Of course, he should have killed himself the moment he realized that he hired on with the HOUSTON F. TEXANS.

The Texans are one of the very few NFL franchises that are run worse than the Bears.
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Post by: otto105 on October 14, 2012, 09:59:26 pm
Ballgame!
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Post by: otto105 on October 14, 2012, 10:00:55 pm
Houston doesn't suck, they just got beat tonight.
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Post by: otto105 on October 14, 2012, 10:04:55 pm
BEAT LIKE A FRICKIN DRUM!
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Post by: yapper on October 15, 2012, 07:59:52 am
The thing about the Texans is that teams that play them tend to wind up with their defensive players having their knees blown out.  IIRC not one but two Packers LBs went down with knees last night. Back when Kubiak was with the Broncos they were known to be the dirtiest team in the league as far as blocking, and it appears he's brought the culture to Houston with him as a HC.

So irregardless of how good the Texans may or may not be, I'm still not thrilled the Bears have them on the schedule.
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Post by: BearHit on October 15, 2012, 11:57:28 am
http://theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/29885/Jaguars-sign-veteran-Chris-Harris/Default.aspx
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Post by: packrat on October 15, 2012, 07:35:51 pm
The Packer rookies are beginning to gel.  They were a key in the Packers' defense.  Especially their DBs and DL.
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Post by: Sportster on October 15, 2012, 10:26:31 pm
Watching that game, the majority of plays on D were made by Matthews. He was in on nearly every play, in some way or another. Limit him and you limit their D. He is head and shoulders above every other player on that D.
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Post by: Pekin on October 15, 2012, 10:36:43 pm
Broncos are stomping the Chargers in San Diego after being down big.

Rivers is a terrible QB.  I will take Cutler any day over him.
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Post by: yapper on October 16, 2012, 07:57:04 am
Rivers is so overrated, and a jagoff besides.  How he is still considered an "elite" NFL QB is beyond me.

That whole Chargers team needs blown up and start over.  New GM, new QB, new HC... everything. They're the Cowboys of the AFC.
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Post by: packrat on October 16, 2012, 06:27:29 pm
Watching that game, the majority of plays on D were made by Matthews. He was in on nearly every play, in some way or another. Limit him and you limit their D. He is head and shoulders above every other player on that D.

I don't completely disagree with that point but the reason he is making more plays this season is that  guys like Hawk, Raji, Walden are playing better this season and Worthy has been added to the DL.  Why are they playing better?  I have no idea but they have stepped it ip some this season.  Opponents can't concentrate too much on Matthews, now.

Worthy got a sack on the first Houston series.

Lost another MLB for the season.  Pack is down to #3 MLB, now.

 
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Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2012, 08:06:48 pm
Pretty sure he is making more plays because he is back on the juice after the testing got shot down.
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 16, 2012, 09:42:53 pm
You think...definitely.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 16, 2012, 11:47:09 pm
Pretty sure he is making more plays because he is back on the juice after the testing got shot down.

You think...definitely.

 How come our players dont take advantage of this?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 20, 2012, 02:09:51 am

 If you have 4 TE's on your team and you cut a RB ,

 where the fuuuuck is this heading?


 LT LG C RG RT

TE ..................TE

TE.....................TE

       QB

       RB

 No ... dont dismiss it ... think about it.
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Post by: packrat on October 20, 2012, 10:30:24 am
The best STs players are usually LBs a TEs.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 21, 2012, 06:51:23 am
Interesting stat about Bear's conditioning.  Per Hub Arkush on Pro Football Weekly, the Bears are the healthiest team over the last 3 years = least amount of injuries.

I know there has been some criticism of Rusty Jones or soft training camps, but the results say different.  Unfortunately, when you lose Cutler and Forte in consecutive weeks - those are back breakers.

Here's to good health men!
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Post by: stelz on October 21, 2012, 04:49:49 pm
Watched some of Cleveland-Indy.  TheBrowns are Wannie-Bears bad.
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Post by: yapper on October 22, 2012, 10:02:29 am
Per Hub Arkush on Pro Football Weekly, the Bears are the healthiest team over the last 3 years = least amount of injuries.

I find that hard to believe.  Heck just two of our O-Linemen from last year (C. Williams and Gabe Carimi) have to bring the average way down.

If they're going to keep track of that stuff then they should weight it more heavily to starters vs. scrubs.  You take C. Williams, Carimi, Forte and Cutler... that's four Day One starters who all missed multiple games last year.  That hurts more than losing 7 or 8 guys who are mostly scrubs.
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Post by: Bears4Ever on October 22, 2012, 01:16:02 pm
And starting QB going down to a broken thumb....

I have no sympathy for ANY other team on injuries. it seems when the Bears lose someone whose a starte, its major (this has to do with talent/scheme/coaching). Here's hoping that's changed with Emery.....
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Post by: yapper on October 22, 2012, 01:31:29 pm
Here's hoping that's changed with Emery.....

Keep hoping:

- 2nd round pick Alshon Jeffery - out for 2 (maybe more) games
- 3rd round pick Brandon Hardin - out for season
- 4th round pick Evan Rodriguez - missed 3 (4?) games this season, hopefully not any more
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Post by: Bears4Ever on October 22, 2012, 02:41:43 pm
Really more that having someone goes down there is someone who can step up.

Alson going down is more depressing atm. I think he was heading toward some O Rook of the year honors (at least in contention as he was the leading rookie WR at the time) before he got hurt........
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Post by: wmljohn on October 22, 2012, 06:05:08 pm
Offensive rookie of the year honors?  No way. That will go to Luck or most likely RGIII. Right now with his 107 passer rating and all those yards rushing RGIII is a lock for ROY award.

He might have had a shot at WRROY. :-)
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Post by: wmljohn on October 22, 2012, 06:06:34 pm
Hell here in the DC area RGIII is already a lock HOF and maybe the best player ever at the position.
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Post by: packrat on October 23, 2012, 02:44:48 pm
What is probably a nightmare for many Packer fans is coming to pass. Jay Glazer is reporting that Charles Woodson has a broken collarbone and will be out for six weeks. Woodson has been a key part of the Packers defense since he came to town from the Oakland Raiders and has been the heart and soul of the defense since the switch to the 3-4. It has been Woodson’s unique abilities to tackle, play the run, blitz, and cover that has allowed the Packers to use so many exotic packages. This doesn’t even take into account his ability to strip the football and create turnovers.
 
The good news for Packers fans though is that the secondary has never looked deeper for the Packers. Right now Jerron McMillian has been playing at a high level (as uofmike has pointed out so well recently). Sam Shields has upped his game. Tramon Williams is back to being one of the better corners in the league. Davon House has returned healthy and put in a solid game against the Rams. Best of all, Casey Hayward has been shining the last month and now leads the team in interceptions. Throw in some solid play from Morgan Burnett and the Packers may yet be able to weather this injury.
 
This is bad news for the Packers despite this optimism. It will be interesting to see how the Packers adjust to this latest, and potentially devastating injury.
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Post by: yapper on October 23, 2012, 03:40:43 pm
If Rodgers keeps playing at the level he has been, Woodson will hardly be missed at all.

Not to mention the Packers have by far the easiest schedule of any team in the division over the next 6-8 weeks, compared to the Bears' slate which gets downright brutal after the next couple of games.  I wouldn't be too worried if I were a Pack fan.
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Post by: Phill23 on October 24, 2012, 11:41:24 am
You need defense and a running game to get to the Super Bowl.  Putting up points throwing but giving up as many will doom the Slackers.
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Post by: 46 on October 24, 2012, 01:51:17 pm
"If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best"-Da coach, 1985.
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Post by: Phill23 on October 24, 2012, 01:52:00 pm
I thought Ric Flair said that first.  :)
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Post by: yapper on October 24, 2012, 02:07:55 pm
Really hoping we can "reverse the curse" at Soldiers' on Dec. 16.  I thought that would happen in the first game but it was clear from very early in the game that we were in deep trouble.

NFL schedule makers could not have done anything more to gift-wrap a win for the Packers the first time around -- road game, uber short week, prime time, etc. -- but hopefully in our house we can solve the Packers at last.  It will require some major mental recalibration between now and then by a number of key Bears and particularly #6. 

Lots of football to be played yet between now and then, though.
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Post by: dallasbear on October 24, 2012, 02:32:15 pm
Uhh, yeah.  Panthers not Packers this weekend.

I expected the offense to struggle Monday night but not as much as they did.   Defense put in a tough position by offense but they responded without a lot of room for mistakes or bad plays.

Offense misses Jeffery...Hester, Bennett and Davis didn't step up.  Glad Tillman did making Megatron play like Minitron.

Any word on Knox - isn't his PUP duty about done?

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Post by: yapper on October 24, 2012, 02:35:41 pm
Good question on Knox.  Haven't heard a peep but I think they've got to be getting close to the deadline.

If I had money to bet I'd say he goes on IR...  same as I've felt from the beginning.  I haven't seen or heard anything that makes me believe he's in any position to contribute this year.

As for Kellen Davis...  I've been one of his biggest fans on this board but man he has been a disappointment this year.  It seems like he drops at least one pass a game and then Cutler loses confidence in him and he's nothing more than a 3rd OT the rest of the time.  If this is the best he can do in this offense then I'm not sure his roster spot wouldn't be better used for somebody else next season.
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Post by: navigator on October 24, 2012, 03:17:52 pm
I'm wondering if our backup LT might make a better TE than Davis. I think I saw at least 2 balls hit him in the hands that he didn't catch Monday night.
I think Spaeth dropped one as well.
I heard Rodriguez was back but I didn't notice him in the game.
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Post by: yapper on October 24, 2012, 03:20:46 pm
I believe Rodriguez was healthy enough to play, but inactive.
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Post by: dallasbear on October 24, 2012, 03:44:23 pm

Rodriguez was active but never played.   In hindsight they could have activated Toeaina or Nate Collins if they knew they weren't going to run any plays with a FB.

New FB Eldridge, as expected, was inactive.
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Post by: yapper on October 24, 2012, 03:51:07 pm
I'm starting to wonder what the deal is with Nate Collins.  He was supposed to be one of Emery's prime FA signings but I don't think he's been active a single game yet.

The Panthers have two good RBs and with us coming off a very physical game on a short week, it might not hurt us to have an extra DT in the rotation on Sunday.
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Post by: dallasbear on October 24, 2012, 04:11:10 pm

If they did that it would be Toeaina.

Sooner or later, barring injury, the Bears need to activate Collins and Ozougwu too.

I'd also like to see Weems get some snaps at WR.

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Post by: 46 on October 24, 2012, 04:11:34 pm
Phill you could be absolutely correct, I heard it first from Ditka on his show. Any more new about Cutler?  Are we going to have another sloooowww revealing of a problem?  I hope not.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 25, 2012, 03:01:20 am
Hell here in the DC area RGIII is already a lock HOF and maybe the best player ever at the position.

 There may be a reason for that. Skins have 24 TD's. Giants have 21 TD's.

 Cowboys & Eagles COMBINED have 21 TD's.

 Meanwhile the Skins are in last place as of today. Doesnt make sense does it?

 Thats why they play 16 games.

 
I'm starting to wonder what the deal is with Nate Collins.  He was supposed to be one of Emery's prime FA signings but I don't think he's been active a single game yet.

The Panthers have two good RBs and with us coming off a very physical game on a short week, it might not hurt us to have an extra DT in the rotation on Sunday.

 Uhhh ... those Panther RB's are starting to show their age (even for their age) ... if anything you may see Tolbert for a goal line carry ... if they get that far.

 The only one against our D that I would take seriously is Tolbert.

 Sorry, DeAngelo Williams & Jonathan Stewart will show up to play ... but they aint going anywhere.

 This will be all about CAM doing what he has to do to win ...

 & Peanut OWES Steve Smith from the playoffs years ago.
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Post by: guest77 on October 25, 2012, 07:32:05 am
Good question on Knox.  Haven't heard a peep but I think they've got to be getting close to the deadline.

If I had money to bet I'd say he goes on IR...  same as I've felt from the beginning.  I haven't seen or heard anything that makes me believe he's in any position to contribute this year.

As for Kellen Davis...  I've been one of his biggest fans on this board but man he has been a disappointment this year.  It seems like he drops at least one pass a game and then Cutler loses confidence in him and he's nothing more than a 3rd OT the rest of the time.  If this is the best he can do in this offense then I'm not sure his roster spot wouldn't be better used for somebody else next season.

I think Knox came off the PUP list on week 7 and the bears have 21 days to make a roster decision with him.
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Post by: packrat on October 25, 2012, 09:51:17 am
Troy Polamalu wins poll for NFL's most popular player
By Marc Sessler
Around the League Writer
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According to a recent study, a certain Pittsburgh Steeler is the most popular player in football.

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 Elliot Harrison reshuffles the NFL deck after yet another batch of games, with a new team cracking the top three. More ...

Nielsen and E-Poll Market Research recently teamed on a study to discover who reigns as the NFL's most-liked and least-liked performers.

At the top of the list: Troy Polamalu. The Pittsburgh Steelers safety scored a 63 percent appeal rating, possibly linked to his peddling of anti-dandruff shampoo, used to polish his high-octane mane.

At the bottom? Ndamukong Suh (19 percent), the Detroit Lions defensive tackle who seared grandma's mind forever by stomping on Green Bay Packers center Evan Dietrich-Smith on Thanksgiving Day.

According to Forbes.com, "players' appeal numbers were scored based on the percentage of those whose response was to 'like' the player or 'like him a lot.' "

The rest of the popular kids: Drew Brees and Charles Woodson (62 percent), Peyton Manning (59 percent), Aaron Rodgers and Rob Gronkowski (58 percent), and Robert Griffin III, Brian Urlacher and Donald Driver (57 percent).

 Jonathan Dwyer

Not every quarterback ranked high. An ugly combination of on-air crankiness and on-field failure wreaked havoc on Jay Cutler (21 percent). Also failing to win over fans were Michael Vick (23 percent), Matt Leinart (26 percent), Kyle Orton (27 percent), Tony Romo (27 percent), Mark Sanchez (31 percent) and Brady Quinn (31 percent).

Entirely meaningless? Possibly.

Follow Marc Sessler on Twitter @MarcSesslerNFL.
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Post by: 46 on October 25, 2012, 09:30:45 pm
Vikes currently getting the absolute hell beaten out of them.  Bucs have a running back #22, unbelievable. Down 17 in the third and driving.
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Post by: dallasbear on October 26, 2012, 09:10:40 am

I forgot this game was on last night and watched the last 3 or 4 innings of the World Series. 

Ponder is not on fire like he was earlier in the season - defenses are figuring  him out.   I was a bit surprised that the Vikings D gave up so much.
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Post by: Pekin on October 26, 2012, 11:52:23 am
Stop Peterson and Harvin and they can't do anything else.
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Post by: packrat on October 26, 2012, 05:29:14 pm
The Vikes don't seem to have "Heart".
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Post by: yapper on October 30, 2012, 12:00:08 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/30/brady-quinn-ruled-out-matt-cassel-to-start-for-chiefs-on-thursday/

A Chiefs team that's the worst in the league vs. a Chargers team that's getting there fast.

I don't care if it is a division game...  this Thursday night tilt has the potential to be a real stinkfest.
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Post by: yapper on November 01, 2012, 11:11:14 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/01/aaron-rodgers-takes-home-october-honors/

Can't stand the guy but can't argue the award.

14 TDs in 4 games...  to just 1 INT?  That's just insane.
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Post by: BearHit on November 01, 2012, 12:10:43 pm
Because Favre touched him with his greatness
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Post by: yapper on November 01, 2012, 12:12:39 pm
LOL...  Favre would have never come within 10 miles of a 14-1 TD/INT ratio.  Not if he played in the league 30 years.  Oh wait, he did...  ;D
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Post by: yapper on November 01, 2012, 03:55:19 pm
Vanderbilt representin'

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/01/casey-hayward-is-the-defensive-rookie-of-the-month/

This kid is a lot like fellow Vandy alum DJ Moore...  not the biggest DB on the field, but just knows how to make plays.  I was none too happy to see the Packers get him.
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Post by: packrat on November 01, 2012, 05:42:47 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/01/aaron-rodgers-takes-home-october-honors/

Can't stand the guy but can't argue the award.

14 TDs in 4 games...  to just 1 INT?  That's just insane.

Is it the bulging eyes?
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Post by: packrat on November 01, 2012, 06:23:12 pm
Many of us were left scratching our heads when Ted Thompson drafted Casey Hayward, a cornerback from Vanderbilt, at the end of the second round in this year's NFL Draft. I remember scrambling to find any information on him after the pick was announced, and finally coming to the conclusion that he had a chance to contribute in the nickel or dime packages this season.
 
Oh, how we sold him short.
 
On Thursday, Hayward was named the NFL's Defensive Rookie of the Month for October, a month that saw him record four interceptions, 13 total tackles, five pass breakups, and two starts in four games. Those four interceptions now rank him in a tie for third in the NFL for total picks over the entire season, and they put him in the lead for the Packers' defense.
 
Advanced statistics also show Hayward to be extremely effective. When Pro Football Focus ranked all of the NFL's cornerbacks in terms of tackling efficiency (a radio of total tackle attempts to missed tackles), Hayward ended up as one of only five corners who have not missed a single tackle when playing at least 200 snaps. Furthermore, he is one of only two rookies in the top 10. That willingness to be physical and tackle effectively is the perfect complement to his excellent ball skills. Hayward was named an honorable mention for Pro Football Focus' Rookie of the Month award, where he was the only defensive player mentioned.
 
Hayward's impact goes beyond just the stat sheet, of course. He brought stability to the Packers' dime package early in the season, and has proven himself to be very effective covering slot receivers. This is not as much of a surprise as his solid play on the outside. When Sam Shields went down against Houston, Hayward shifted to the outside in the base defense and did not miss a beat, a more impressive feat than simply excelling in a slot role.
 
Overall, Hayward has exceeded my best expectations for him over the first half of the season. I look forward to him being a key part of the Packers' defense in the years to come.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: stelz on November 01, 2012, 09:08:58 pm
Packrat, was your post all written by you or was some of it copied from an article?  Well written post.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 02, 2012, 08:06:13 am
Wow are the Chiefs bad or what?  Yikes.  Pity the college kids that get drafted by that outfit next spring.

Every time I see Cassell play I can't believe he lasted this long in the league.  He's just awful.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on November 02, 2012, 08:10:36 am
That matchup between KC and SD was such a dog I went to Redbox instead.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 02, 2012, 08:15:03 am
They need to blow everything up in KC and start over.  New GM, new coaching staff, new QB...  everything.

From what I've heard, what was on national TV last night is pretty much how the Chiefs have played all year.  To expect fans to pay hard earned money for garbage like that is ridiculous.

Hard to believe that team was in the playoffs not too long ago.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on November 02, 2012, 09:10:49 am
betcha Alabama could give the chiefs a good run.  I watched one Chief offensive series, and changed the channel.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 02, 2012, 09:17:49 am
For sure Alabama's OL is better than the starting OLs of several NFL teams right now.

They're saying at least 3 of Bama's O-Linemen could be taken in the first two rounds next April. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 02, 2012, 06:47:46 pm
Packrat, was your post all written by you or was some of it copied from an article?  Well written post.

It was from an article, stelz.  I should have included the writer's name.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 05, 2012, 08:08:14 am
This is awesome:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/05/report-jerry-jones-locked-out-of-locker-room-after-game/

Total implosion in Big D and I'm lovin it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: JBN on November 08, 2012, 09:27:53 pm
KC is not the worst team in the league.

Watch Jacksonville for about 3 minutes and you will change your mind.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 09, 2012, 01:20:44 pm
I watched the 2nd half of the Colts / Jags game last night.  Jags are pretty bad too.

Their LT would look OK in a Bears uni though.

 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 09, 2012, 01:21:53 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/09/lions-calvin-johnson-contradict-calvin-johnson/

The Lions just keep being the Lions.  Now they can't even get their own stories straight amongst themselves. Kinda sad to see a class act like Megatron getting pulled into all this. 

That being said, I'd love nothing more than to hang a Titans-style drubbing on them in the last game of the year up there.  But hopefully by that time we'll have a top playoff seed locked up and be playing 2nd stringers.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on November 11, 2012, 02:51:34 pm
Panthers owner not looking to move

Adam Schefter | ESPN
November 11, 2012, 2:00 PM ET


High-powered California political officials have been courting Carolina owner Jerry Richardson in the hopes of bringing the Panthers to Los Angeles with no luck to date, said one source familiar with the discussions.

Richardson has been polite and steadfast that he is committed to Charlotte and is not moving the Panthers.

The only scenario in which he would listen would be if Charlotte balked at helping him with some of the stadium renovations the Panthers have been seeking, the source said.

In a statement released Sunday afternoon, Richardson said "nothing has changed" about his devotion to the Carolinas.

"It has always been my desire that the Carolinas would be the home of our Panthers. Nothing has changed. As someone who was born in North Carolina and lived much of my life in South Carolina, I hope that there would be no doubts about my personal devotion to the Carolinas," he said.

Some of the talks between Los Angeles and Richardson occurred when the Democratic National Convention was in Charlotte, and Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa was the chairman of the convention, planning for the Barack Obama speech that was scheduled to be held in Richardson's Bank of America Stadium before it was moved because of weather conditions.

What Los Angeles officials discovered was that the Panthers are one of four NFL teams -- along with the Redskins, Patriots and Dolphins -- that own their own stadium and do not have to break any leases or go through any litigation to move.

Carolina, therefore, became an easy target for Los Angeles officials but their courting of Carolina has been unsuccessful.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on November 11, 2012, 03:04:24 pm
Falcons lose!

No more undefeated teams.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 12, 2012, 12:50:22 pm
Panthers got brutalized in their own house yesterday by the Broncos.

Carolina D had no answer for Peyton Manning and Cam Newton spent a LOT of time on the ground.  By the middle of the 3rd quarter he looked like he just wanted to go home.

Broncos could be a very tough out in the playoffs and nobody else in their division looks like they're even trying anymore.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on November 12, 2012, 01:41:23 pm

Heard that Fox was having Manning throw deep late in the game when the game was clearly decided.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 12, 2012, 07:17:25 pm
Bulaga to IR.  Is there no end?  2010 de ja vu.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2012, 12:30:24 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/14/quinn-said-he-was-cleared-coach-says-he-wasnt/

Wow.  Doesn't seem like too many years ago that the Chiefs were a perennial playoff team and one of the better run franchises in the league. Now they're just a disaster in every respect.

Boggles the mind really that any owner would put up with a situation as bad as what's gone on down there this year. They're embarrassing the league and I truly feel sorry for their fans cause I don't see any way this gets much better any time soon.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 16, 2012, 09:36:42 pm

 Fuuuck that shiit ... we are on the road.

 God bless us all.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on November 17, 2012, 03:50:03 pm
St. Louis Rams considering new uniforms

Ryan Van Bibber
Nov 16, 3:04p


The St. Louis Rams are thinking of making some changes to the way the team looks.

The St. Louis Rams could be in line for some new uniforms in the near future, new old uniforms that is. Team COO Kevin Demoff sat down with Bernie Miklasz on 101 ESPN Friday to discuss a range of issues, and new duds happened to be on the agenda.

Demoff said that the team is leaning toward bringing back the old blue and white uniforms, from the 1960s and early 1970s.

Getting new uniforms isn't as easy as just putting on a new shirt. The league, being ever so conscious about its brand identity, requires a pretty thorough and lengthy process to change uniforms. Demoff said that the Rams would start by instituting those as throwbacks in 2014 and transitioning after that season. Hopefully, the team won't be in Los Angeles too at that point ... which is doubtful.


Update
: To be clear, Demoff told TST that the Rams were only considering the new unis, and 2014 would be the earliest the team could start down that path. The classic blue and gold unis are in play for the Rams too.

(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/3393149/1003_large.0_standard_709.0.jpg)

Above is a shot Roman Gabriel and the Rams in those old unis from the cover of Sports Illustrated in October 1966.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 18, 2012, 04:35:19 am
I love the classic Rams unit and the way the horn curves around the ear hole.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 19, 2012, 09:04:26 am
I like the Rams uni's the way they are right now.  Going from the mustard yellow to gold for the accent color was a good move.

Not real fond of that retro look though.  They look like Penn State... 

That all being said, first order of business for the Rams needs to be improving the product on the field.  They're still not a very good football team.  Though with all those high draft picks they have it shouldn't take long assuming their personnel chief is on the ball. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 25, 2012, 11:29:30 pm

 Just for the end of weird shiit in week 12 ... Carolina @ Philadelphia.

 Near where that "Rocky" statue is ...

 YO ADRIENNE !!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 28, 2012, 07:45:55 pm

 Babin didnt stay on the waiver wire long. Jax sez he's going to suit up.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on November 28, 2012, 08:15:53 pm
I can't believe what happened in Philly.  The fans are horrible, but they are I'll kill you wild about the pro teams. Not a good year to be an Eagle fan.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 28, 2012, 08:49:35 pm
Yup, total meltdown.

Andy Reid probably should have moved on a couple years ago already.

I could see the same thing happening to the Bears if the McCaskeys insist on stretching out Lovie's tenure too long.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on November 28, 2012, 09:37:15 pm
Yeah, that's what was in the back of my mind.  They do tend to beat dead (but profitable) horses.  It's the family business afterall. I just wish they would do it well.  They don't IMO.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 28, 2012, 09:45:59 pm
Yeah, that's what was in the back of my mind.  They do tend to beat dead (but profitable) horses.  It's the family business afterall. I just wish they would do it well.  They don't IMO.

 HALAS HALL : Well we are in first place!

TICE : Yes but we are having problems on OFFENSIVE LINE.

HALAS HALL : OFFENSIVE LINE ? What the FUUCK is an OFFENSIVE LINE ?

TICE : It's where these guys line up in front of the QUARTERBACK to protect him and run the ball forward.

HALAS HALL : Isnt that what the DEFENSIVE LINE is for ?

TICE : Uh ... no. Thats on the other side of the line.

HALAS HALL : What line ?

TICE : Well Master McCasky,The way it works is there are TWO lines in football, one is Offense and one is Defense.

HALAS HALL : You gotta be shiiting us ... we are paying for TWO lines ??

TICE : Well ... no. You are paying for ONE line and thats just the point ... we need TWO lines.

HALAS HALL : Are you out of your fuuckin mind ? Pay for TWO lines ... nobody in football does that !!

TICE : I agree with you but Master, but ... ALL of the other teams pay for two lines.

HALAS HALL : Since when ??

TICE : Since your father invented the game.

HALAS HALL : Our father invented the game ? So THATS where that money comes from for our yacht in the Carribean !

TICE : Master we do need help at Offensive Line.

LOVIE : Oh no they dont! I have this under control.

HALAS HALL : Bless you Lovie, carry on.

LOVIE : May I kiss your ring ?

HALAS HALL : Of course ... who's this Emery guy on the payroll ?

LOVIE : He's the General Manager.

HALAS HALL : Whats a General Manager ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on November 29, 2012, 07:19:43 am
LOL JJ that was too funny

TICE : Well Master McCasky,The way it works is there are TWO lines in football, one is Offense and one is Defense.

HALAS HALL : You gotta be shiiting us ... we are paying for TWO lines ??

TICE : Well ... no. You are paying for ONE line and thats just the point ... we need TWO lines.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on November 29, 2012, 08:06:37 am
The "Bears are cheap" line has gotten very old. With the salary cap they spend as much as any other team. Whether they spend it wisely is another thing entirely.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on November 29, 2012, 08:35:38 am
I wouldn't say they are cheap anymore they just don't always spend wisely.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on November 29, 2012, 09:29:02 am
JJ knows of what he speaks. And like Nav, I just don't think they spend it well. The Bidwell's are worse, but not by much. Everything has changed and is changing in the NFL industry. The McCaskey's need to put someone at the top to report to them that knows the current biz....Cowher comes to mind.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 29, 2012, 10:34:52 am
Good one JJ and right on, lol
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 29, 2012, 10:38:22 am
Emery has so far been a definite improvement, but there's only so much a GM can do, especially in the Bears' power structure.  If the Bears GM had any real power, for example, the Bears would have been playing on FieldTurf this season already instead of trucking in sod for every home game.

Changes need to happen farther up the food chain. Ted Phillips is a clown and needs to go away. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on November 29, 2012, 11:04:00 am
I am not sure but I think the Soldier field turf is up to the Chicago Park District.  Sure the Bears could tell them they want them to change, but I dont think they can just force them to do it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 29, 2012, 11:10:33 am
In terms of financial impact and profile, the Bears are the Park District's most important client by far.  If the Bears were to pull out, that place would be paved over for condos or parking inside of 3 years.

And it's not like any of the other events being held there would suffer with FieldTurf anyway.

The Bears have leverage, they have just chosen all these years not to use it.   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on November 29, 2012, 11:13:03 am
But of course.  Who do yo think all the Chicago sod farmers would be selling grass to in Nov and Dec?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 29, 2012, 11:14:24 am
It's just a shame that Bears players are putting their careers at risk 8 or more times a year just so that a few dozen overpaid union stiffs can keep their jobs forever. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 29, 2012, 02:51:45 pm
With the Vikings coming to Lambeau Field on Sunday for a divisional battle, the Packers will need all hands on deck. That goes double for the defense, which will have to deal with a healthy and dangerous Adrian Peterson. Coach Mike McCarthy ran down the status of his injured players in today's press conference, shown on Packers.com. While it's not pretty, a few key players should be ready to go on Sunday.
 


Player
 
Injury
 
Participation
 


OLB Clay Matthews

Hamstring
 
Did not practice
 


CB/S Charles Woodson

Collarbone
 
Did not practice
 


CB Sam Shields

Knee
 
Did not practice
 


WR Donald Driver

Thumb
 
Did not practice
 


RB Johnny White

Concussion
 
Did not practice
 


DL C.J. Wilson
 
Knee
 
Did not practice
 


DL Ryan Pickett

Quadriceps
 
Did not practice
 


T Marshall Newhouse

Wrist
 
Limited participation
 



With Wilson and White suffering their injuries on Sunday against New York and a few other injuries already well-known, the only surprises to the report were Driver, Pickett, and Newhouse. However, McCarthy said that he expects Pickett to be ready to practice by Friday, and for him to be active for Sunday's game. The coach showed no sign of concern on Newhouse's availability either.
 
However, Wilson's status is less clear. His injury will likely keep him out against the Vikings, but McCarthy did not indicate that he would definitely miss the game. McCarthy did say that Clay Matthews would be re-evaluated on Friday, but that it would be "a stretch" for him to play on Sunday. As for the other defensive injuries, neither Woodson nor Shields will be ready to play on Sunday.
 
Also note that Greg Jennings is not listed on this report, as Rob Demovsky of the Green Bay Press-Gazette astutely pointed out.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 29, 2012, 02:55:11 pm
Posted by Darin Gantt on November 29, 2012, 2:38 PM EST
 
AP
Packers running back Cedric Benson was making progress recently, sparking hopes he might come back this year from his Lisfranc injury.
 
But that’s gone now, as Packers coach Mike McCarthy announced Benson had surgery on his foot yesterday, and would not be activated from the IR/designated for return list.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 29, 2012, 03:12:46 pm
Could be the end of the line for Benson.

He was a total waste of a good draft pick for the Bears and pretty much an all-around tool, but he wound up having a better NFL career than I thought he would.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 29, 2012, 03:18:36 pm
The Packers have made the decision to put Derek Sherrod on the reserve/physically unable to perform list, which ends his season. The team had to decide this week whether to activate him or sit him down for the rest of the season. Sherrod hasn't appeared in a regular season or preseason game since breaking his leg last season against the Kansas City Chiefs, and his recovery from that injury has gone much slower than expected.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 29, 2012, 04:10:08 pm
Packy, I read that the even bigger concern with Sherrod...  besides his very slow recovery...  is that people are questioning how much he really WANTS to come back.

Any truth to that?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 29, 2012, 04:49:11 pm
Could be the Pack just hit the wall in regards to injuries. Losing Rodgers would kill their season but losing as many players as they have may do the same, even with a healthy Rodgers.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 29, 2012, 06:43:08 pm
I think that you have a point there, yapper.  I don't know whether it's lack of desire or lack of talent (or both) but in my mind I think he is through.  A great big bust.  I would gladly trade him  for Carimi.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 29, 2012, 06:44:00 pm
We need all of the injured players to come back to compete for the playoffs, Sporty.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on November 30, 2012, 09:24:39 am
I remember an article a while back about the sod vs turf discussion and basically the Park district said they would do what the Bears want, they actually save money real fast by moving to turf.

The Bears were reluctant because they didn't have enough evidence in regard to injuries.
Also, with a sucky OL, a messy field is a nice home field advantage late in the season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on November 30, 2012, 10:02:58 am
Point taken on the sloppy field and our OL.

Maybe if Emery feels he's gotten the OL shored up this coming offseason he'll push harder for FieldTurf in 2013.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on December 01, 2012, 12:53:41 pm
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/jovan-belcher-kansas-city-chiefs-kills-self-suicide-kills-girlfriend-team-facility-120112/

How messed up is that?  Not only did he kill his girlfriend he then thanked his coach and GM then killed himself in front of them.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 01, 2012, 02:14:24 pm
Just horrific news out of KC.  We joke a lot on this board about the Bears being cursed but you look at the season the Chiefs have had and it starts looking like the real deal.

Can't believe the league is actually planning for their game to go on as scheduled tomorrow. Who in their right mind is gonna want to be there?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Chris27 on December 02, 2012, 03:36:33 pm
Andrew Luck just pantsed the Lions. He and Griffin are two of the few players I'd pay a ticket to watch.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on December 02, 2012, 04:22:50 pm
Indy8???
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 02, 2012, 05:04:28 pm
Indy8???

 No shiiit, whatever happened to him ?

 He must be ejaculating like a crow on top of a cornfield when its ripe.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on December 04, 2012, 09:42:35 am
Chiefs Jovan Belcher - Justifiable Homicide?

The friend adds that many of their recent arguments focused on Perkins failing college classes Belcher paid for and quitting her retail job, as well as telling Belcher that she was leaving him and would find a lawyer to "get as much money as possible" from the football player.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2242761/Jovan-Belcher-spent-night-woman-murdered-Kasandra-Perkins.html#ixzz2E69pU6eo

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on December 04, 2012, 09:43:38 am
"ain't sayin' what he did was right... but I understand..."

Chris Rock
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 04, 2012, 11:35:02 am
Posted by Curtis Crabtree on December 4, 2012, 2:12 AM EST
 APGreen Bay Packers defensive back Charles Woodson has missed the last five games due to a broken collarbone suffered against the St. Louis Rams in October.

Now Woodson is closing in on his return to the field.

According to Tyler Dunne of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Woodson may be ready in time for the Packers game against the Chicago Bears on Dec. 16. That being said, head coach Mike McCarthy said Monday that Woodson still has not been cleared to play...
..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 04, 2012, 11:40:18 am
For some reason I have a feeling the Packers will be at pretty much full strength by the time they come to Chicago.

Can't say I have the same confidence about the Bears, who have been dropping like flies in recent weeks and don't have the Packers' depth, especially at OL, DB and WR.   

It could get ugly.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 04, 2012, 11:47:16 am
For some reason I don't look for Woodson to have a big effect.  After not playing for 6 wekis he will probably be pretty rusty and at his age he will have a struggle coming back.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 04, 2012, 07:53:18 pm


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Tomorrow the injury reports come in for the Packers and then we will have a pretty good understanding of how the Packers will look for the upcoming game against the Lions, but here is an interesting nugget of news to digest on the injury front until we can get the full report. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel is reporting the Packers hope to have Charles Woodson ready to return for the December 16th game against the Chicago Bears. This is obviously good news. The return of Charles Woodson will provide a bit of a makeover to the defense by adding more toughness and playmaking ability to a defense that was steamrolled last week against Adrian Peterson. But there is a lingering question that rattles around in the background….is there still a place for Woodson in the Packers lineup?..

I'm anxious to see how Woodson looks in his return.  He has been slowing down.  About time to move on and let the yo0oung guys have their chance.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 04, 2012, 07:58:52 pm
Ironic how the careers of two defensive icons seem to be winding down in parallel.

Woodson and Urlacher...  Both guys that have anchored their respective defenses for years but now are presenting agonizing dilemmas for their HCs and GMs.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 05, 2012, 07:35:55 pm
True, dat.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 05, 2012, 07:38:19 pm
The Packers brought up another WR from the PS, the seventh WR, Jeremy Ross (6-0, 217).
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 05, 2012, 08:20:14 pm
The Packers brought up another WR from the PS, the seventh WR, Jeremy Ross (6-0, 217).

 I dont think DAA BEARRSSSE have anything left to bring up from the practice squad.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on December 12, 2012, 09:01:50 am
Yup...  the Bears lose a couple of starters and the season is lost, the Packers just plug new guys in and keep rolling.

The difference to some degree is depth of talent on the roster but the far bigger difference is that the Packers' schemes don't require a Cutler/Marshall/Forte caliber combo on offense and a Peppers/Urlacher/Briggs/Tillman package on defense to get things done.  It's a coaching and system thing more than a roster thing. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on December 12, 2012, 05:11:46 pm
The difference to some degree is depth of talent on the roster but the far bigger difference is that the Packers' schemes don't require a Cutler/Marshall/Forte caliber combo on offense and a Peppers/Urlacher/Briggs/Tillman package on defense to get things done.  It's a coaching and system thing more than a roster thing.


True except for the one Packer...guess who?
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Post by: Pekin on December 12, 2012, 05:46:20 pm
Aaron Rodgers.

However their system is very QB friendly.  There is a reason their offense is so good year after year and a reason they have had so many back ups go on to start for other teams.
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Post by: packrat on December 12, 2012, 10:35:17 pm
Packers' Rodgers has little to say about hits by Detroit's Fairley
By Bob Wolfley of the Journal Sentinel Dec. 11, 2012  EmailPrint|(6) Comments You know Packers’ quarterback Aaron Rodgers has some opinions about the hits put on him by Lions defensive tackle Nick Fairley, but on his weekly radio show on Tuesday, he chose not to share those notions.

However, Rodgers did share his thoughts about other topics with reporter Jason Wilde of WAUK-AM (540), that the running game is better, that Green Bay is not the focus of much national attention, that Bears linebacker Lance Briggs is worthy of Hall of Fame consideration and that for competitive reasons he is disappointed Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher will not being playing Sunday at Soldier Field.

As for holding his tongue about Fairley.

Rodgers was asked about a play in the first quarter against the Lions, a third-and-2, when he scrambled and slid for a first down.

"It sure looked like Fairley tried to hit you in the head and had some success at it," Wilde said, asking Rodgers to describe the play.

Rodgers said he did not slide late in the play.

"Not only was I sliding, but I was in the sliding body language early there once I got past the first down," Rodgers said. "I felt some contact to my head. I’m not sure who it was from or what part of the body it was. But I was happy to get the first down. In a situation like that, I slid at the earliest possible time I could, making sure we got the first down and felt like I gave everybody around me enough time to realize I was sliding. But sometimes you are going to take some contact like that. . . . Sometimes when you slide you are still going to get hit."

Wilde later asked Rodgers about the hit Fairley gave him in the fourth quarter after a pass.

"Did Fairley take you down by the neck on that one? . . . .Was that a painful scenario?

"Yeah," Rodgers said.

"There was no call on that one, was there?" Wilde asked.

"Not that I remember," Rodgers said.

Rodgers was cautious about what impact the improved running the last two games will have going forward.

"Let’s kind of wait and see," Rodgers said. "How much impact will the last two weeks have on the Chicago team that likes to play a lot of two-high split safety defenses? Chicago played a lot of one-high against Minnesota last week."

About Ryan Grant, who ran once for 13 yards against Detroit, Rodgers said: "He has always run well in the winter time here. I think that is really one thing you can say about his career. He ran just as hard in week 16 and 17 as he did in week one and two when he was our full-time guy."

Rodgers said Alex Green "showed a good patience and a good burst," making yards after contact.

"And then the wild card is really (DuJuan) Harris," Rodgers said. "I think everybody was impressed with him on the practice squad. That’s the best thing I can say about DuJuan. It’s fun . . . when you see a guy who comes in, there is no expectation on him, and he is on the practice squad running the other team’s stuff and he just works his butt off. You see the talent. Then he gets an opportunity and raised up to the active roster, gets a chance to play and plays well. That to me is what the NFL is all about, is making the most of your opportunities when they come. Some guys get more than others. DuJuan is a guy who would be somebody who is not going to get a ton of opportunities. This was an opportunity for him and he made the most of it."

Green Bay has overcome a 2-3 start, lots of injuries and is to play for the division championship in Chicago.

"The thing I like about it the most is that nobody is talking about us," Rodgers said. "(Monday) night helps because more people will be talking about New England, and on the flip side, what is wrong with Houston. Hopefully Houston reminds everybody, hey, we’re 11-2, first in our division, first in the AFC.

"I’ve always (appreciated) the critics voicing their opinions at the most opportune of times, and the safest of times usually for those critics," Rodgers said. "We appreciate that . . . . We are not completely flying under the radar, third position right now. I think when we get Clay (Matthews), Charles (Woodson) and Jordy (Nelson) back, Mike Neal, some of these guys, T.J. (Lang), it’s going to be interesting."

Rodgers said he is not sure how much of the cover-two he’ll get from the Bears’ defense on Sunday, but he is sure about something else.

"Whether you are a Packer fan or a Bear fan, to have the privilege to watch Lance Briggs play for the last eight years is impressive," Rodgers said. "He’s a guy who has a legit shot at being a hall of famer. I think he does. The numbers he has put up in his career, the Pro Bowls, and he is still doing it at a really high level. So you have got to respect his game. He is a guy you have to account for every play."

Wilde asked Rodgers: "You like playing against Urlacher. You guys have a good relationship. But you’ve got to be happy he’s not playing, right? It makes your life a little be easier to have a future hall of famer not playing. Or are you disappointed?"

Rodgers said: "I’m disappointed. I like him being out there. I enjoy the competition with him. It’s a competitive rivalry between our teams, and between him and I individually. I enjoy the banter back and forth, enjoy the way he plays the game. I think he plays the game hard, within the rules and he is a heck of a competitor who’s picked me off a couple too many times. I wish him the best. I hope he gets healthy. He has been playing really well this year."

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Post by: otto105 on December 15, 2012, 07:48:29 pm
Is the cutter taking class act notes?
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Post by: Keysbear on December 15, 2012, 08:02:06 pm
What has Cutler said about an opponant that you think is not class?
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Post by: otto105 on December 15, 2012, 08:07:51 pm
Has anything from the. 500 career QB said class act to you?


And I'm including high school and college.
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Post by: Keysbear on December 15, 2012, 08:11:53 pm
You dodged my question. What has he said that you consider classless?
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Post by: otto105 on December 15, 2012, 08:17:58 pm
Why is he a. 500 QB at every level that he has played?
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Post by: Keysbear on December 15, 2012, 08:49:55 pm
What does winning percentage have to do with class? Using your logic Brett Favre is a classy guy and Archie Manning was classless.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 15, 2012, 09:55:01 pm

 FUUUK IT !

 GOOOOO BEARRSSEE !!
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Post by: Pekin on December 15, 2012, 10:06:50 pm
Cutler does a ton for kids with diabetes but because he does not seek out the cameras when he does he is not classy?

Cutler also has been a mentor to Aaron Rodgers younger brother.  Ask your QB if he thinks Cutler is a good guy.
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Post by: Phill23 on December 17, 2012, 11:59:15 am
How bout those AZ Cardinals?   Guess they were smoking some serious S H I T yesterday before putting up 38 pts against the Lions.
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Post by: yapper on December 17, 2012, 12:05:41 pm
Bears have definite culture issues that need addressed but nothing like the Lions.  They're a mess.
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Post by: WshflThinking on December 17, 2012, 12:09:57 pm
But that doesnt change my opinion that the Lions will beat the Bears in 2 weeks in Detroit
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Post by: yapper on December 17, 2012, 12:15:19 pm
I think the Lions will not only beat us, but beat us UP. Night before New Years Eve, in Detroit...  heck that game's their SuperBowl right there.

If we're out of the playoff hunt by then I would be 100% for sitting Cutler, Forte and Marshall in Detroit. Absolutely no point having them take a game's worth of punishment from that goon squad for a game that means nothing.
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Post by: WshflThinking on December 17, 2012, 12:29:13 pm
That would be a good time to see just what McCown or even Blanchard can do
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Post by: Dave23 on December 17, 2012, 12:30:38 pm
The Cardinals are awful. We could beat them with McCown at QB.
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Post by: Phill23 on December 17, 2012, 12:39:20 pm
Detroit may not agree they're awful!  :)
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Post by: yapper on December 17, 2012, 01:00:58 pm
If the players have decided they don't want the current coaching staff around anymore I could very easily see us losing to both the Cardinals and the Lions.

It's pretty clear from the media comments already this week that this 2nd-half collapse is triggering a significant schism between the offensive leaders and the defensive leaders, or, if you prefer, the new guard vs. the old guard.  Marshall is calling for accountability and saying he's a frustrated as the fans, and Cutler is backing him up. Meanwhile Urlacher is standing behind Lovie and telling the fans not to boo and that they don't know what they're talking about.  Thank God we've got Cutler and especially Marshall on this team to speak up on the offense's behalf (for a change) after the D has had the run of the roost for a decade.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out and if Urlacher keeps yapping like he is it wouldnt' surprise me if Emery puts him and Lovie on the same bus out of town. 
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Post by: Phill23 on December 17, 2012, 01:02:15 pm
If the players quit I'm sure you wouldn't want them on the team ever.   They better put an effort on the field.  If they lose so be it but as long as they don't quit.
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Post by: yapper on December 17, 2012, 01:07:13 pm
And if we keep losing, that's gonna be the hard part for Emery to determine.  Are these decent Bears players who simply aren't putting out the effort, or are they just bad players?

With all the injuries these last few weeks, we have so many 2nd and 3rd stringers on the field that it may look like the Bears have quit when in fact they just aren't talented enough.  Which still isn't an excuse...  the Packers are just as banged up as we are (possibly more) and they're still rolling along with no-name players.
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Post by: WshflThinking on December 17, 2012, 04:25:27 pm
the Packers are just as banged up as we are (possibly more) and they're still rolling along with no-name players.

That points to talent evaluation and coaching
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Post by: boogie on December 17, 2012, 06:23:03 pm
Wait, did you say coaching?  Hmmmm.  ;)
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 19, 2012, 08:01:28 pm
the Packers are just as banged up as we are (possibly more) and they're still rolling along with no-name players.

That points to talent evaluation and coaching

 
Wait, did you say coaching?  Hmmmm.  ;)

 And evaluation.
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Post by: packrat on December 22, 2012, 06:27:19 pm
Versatile young lineman replacing veteran Jeff Saturday as Packers offensive line takes shape for playoffs



 

GREEN BAY—An offensive line that has been in flux all season is making another change this week, and this one looks permanent.
 
Evan Dietrich-Smith is taking over at center for Jeff Saturday for Sunday’s game against Tennessee and for the rest of the season, barring another injury up front.
 
Head Coach Mike McCarthy suggested on Friday that the coaching staff was leaning toward starting Dietrich-Smith at center, and in the locker room following that statement both players spoke in terms of the torch being passed.
 
“I told Dietrich I fully support him, and I think he’ll do a good job,” said Saturday, a 14-year veteran who, like Dietrich-Smith, came into the league as an undrafted free agent. “I told him to make the most of it.
 
“We all get our chance somehow, and whenever you do, you’ve got to take advantage of it. When I got my chance, I made the most of mine. I hope he does the same.”
 
The 37-year-old Saturday, who signed with the Packers this season after 13 years with the Colts that included five Pro Bowl selections, said he’s not surprised at the change but admitted it’s still “disappointing and tough” to be replaced.
 
Saturday missed two days of practice this week due to neck and shoulder injuries before returning to the field on Friday. He’s listed as probable on the injury report and McCarthy said he’s available to play, so the starting lineup change is not injury-related.
 
Dietrich-Smith started four games at left guard earlier this season when T.J. Lang shifted out to right tackle to replace the injured Bryan Bulaga. In the fourth of those starts, vs. Detroit on Dec. 9, Dietrich-Smith earned a game ball from the coaching staff for his best performance as a pro.
 
Last week, with Lang returning to left guard, Dietrich-Smith was back in the role of sixth man, but now he’s being given a chance at the position McCarthy calls his best, center. It’s a de facto audition for the third-year pro to potentially lock down that spot for the future, but of more immediate concern is helping the playoff-bound Packers advance as far as they can this season.
 
Quarterback Aaron Rodgers has spoken in the past of the confidence he has in Dietrich-Smith and that he sees Dietrich-Smith as potentially the Packers’ center of the future.
 
“For him to say he has a lot of faith in me means a lot to me, but it’s something I want to go out there and prove to the other guys that we fit really good together and that we all belong out there,” Dietrich-Smith said.
 
With Dietrich-Smith at center on Sunday, the Packers will be starting their fourth different offensive line combination in the last four games. Two weeks ago, undrafted rookie Don Barclay took over at right tackle when Lang had an ankle injury, and then last week Lang (who is probable on the injury report after missing practice time this week with a concussion) moved back to left guard.
 
Developing chemistry with the new starting five could take some time, Dietrich-Smith said, but with seven starts at guard over the past two seasons, it’s not as though he’s new to his linemates.
 
“To get this opportunity, I just hope I can go out there and make the coaches proud,” said Dietrich-Smith, who repeatedly mentioned the respect he has for Saturday and how much he appreciates the relationship they’ve had this season.
 
By all accounts, that respect is mutual.
 
“We’re at two totally different points in our career,” Saturday said. “His is on the up ramp, mine’s on the way out.
 
“I’ve put the best I can be out there. If that’s not good enough and somebody is better, they deserve to play. I’ve always felt like that. I respect ‘Diety’ enough to say if that’s his, then he needs to take it and go do a good job with it.”
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 23, 2012, 12:04:18 am

 For all DAAA BEARRSSE fans !

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i37uttMA6Mc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i37uttMA6Mc)

 BEARS RULE !!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 25, 2012, 04:34:33 pm
A couple of weeks ago Ryan Grant and DuJuan Harris are watching NFL games on TV and Sunday they are doing Lambeau leaps as starting RBs in GB.  Some Christmas for them.
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Post by: packrat on December 25, 2012, 04:40:15 pm
Do you think that the Packers just might like a re-match with Seattle in the play-offs?  Thought so.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 25, 2012, 08:30:56 pm

 Packy I still retain the post #1916.

Do you think that the Packers just might like a re-match with Seattle in the play-offs?  Thought so.

 Seattle is on a roll.
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Post by: packrat on December 25, 2012, 09:37:33 pm
Yeah but they will be using real officials this time.
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Post by: yapper on December 26, 2012, 09:53:56 am
Packers and Seahawks re-matched in the playoffs would be fun to see.

The Seahawks are definitely a better team now than they were at the time of that regular season game.  The Packers are probably about the same now as they were then...  perhaps a bit weaker due to injuries at OL and RB.  In a playoff pairing, the win probably goes to whichever team is at home.
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Post by: packrat on December 26, 2012, 08:25:09 pm
GB started 2-3 and are 11-4 now.  Weaker now?

The new rookies are better than the original team was. 
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Post by: Sportster on December 27, 2012, 02:04:08 am
Seachickens are one of the hottest offenses out there right now. They've caught fire and will be hard to stop....
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Post by: packrat on December 27, 2012, 07:05:07 pm
I wonder if they like to play on ice.
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Post by: Keysbear on December 27, 2012, 09:03:55 pm
Wilson has played in the cold many times
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Post by: dallasbear on December 27, 2012, 09:37:23 pm
I wonder if they like to play on ice.

Most likely the Seahawks will be traveling to Washington or Dallas and we are hopeful that the Packers get the bye the first weekend (means they beat the Vikes).

And isn't Lambeau heated?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 27, 2012, 10:04:07 pm
I wonder if they like to play on ice.

Most likely the Seahawks will be traveling to Washington or Dallas and we are hopeful that the Packers get the bye the first weekend (means they beat the Vikes).

And isn't Lambeau heated?

 It is. So much for frozen tundra.
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Post by: yapper on December 27, 2012, 10:47:38 pm
Seahawks vs Skins in a battle of the NFL's 2 best rookie QBs would be fun to watch indeed.

The way Seattle's D is playing right now I'm not sure I wouldnt favor them in that contest even with the history they have of not playing well on the road.
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Post by: packrat on December 28, 2012, 07:47:27 pm
Chicago has 5 players in the pro-bowl and GB has 3 (Including Jeff Saturday).
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Post by: wmljohn on December 28, 2012, 07:53:54 pm
Quote
Seahawks vs Skins in a battle of the NFL's 2 best rookie QBs would be fun to watch indeed

I think there is a guy in Indiana that would dispute this statement.
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Post by: yapper on December 28, 2012, 07:59:30 pm
Luck is good. But he hasnt been stupid good like RGIII and Wilson, and has arguably played weaker AFC competition besides.

Luck has played up to the expectations of his draft pick. The other two and especially Wilson have blown expectations away.
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 28, 2012, 08:05:00 pm
Total disagree.  Luck won at least 3 or 4 games for the Colts by being their QB.  He has future HOFer all over him.

R. Wilson and RGIII I do not feel as strongly about.  I am still in show me mode. 

For record I think RGIII will do very well if he can remain healthy.  For some reason I think Wilson is going to come back to earth sooner than later.
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Post by: Sportster on December 28, 2012, 08:28:12 pm
Agree with Hiber. Colts haven't lost a step with Luck. He's been a phenomenal pick.
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Post by: yapper on December 28, 2012, 08:37:24 pm
I believe RGIII has a 104 passer rating for the season. Just saying.

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Post by: packrat on December 28, 2012, 08:41:10 pm
...The Packers have one regular-season game remaining, and it’s a big one at Minnesota. The Vikings can earn a wild-card playoff spot with a win, while the Packers can sew up the No. 2 seed and a first-round bye with a victory.
 
Should the Vikings win and the Packers remain the No. 3 seed, the two teams would meet again one week later in the wild-card round at Lambeau Field. But McCarthy wasn’t interested in discussing that scenario, nor did he even touch on running back Adrian Peterson’s pursuit of the single-season rushing record, which is sure to be a hot topic this week.
 
Peterson needs 208 yards to break Eric Dickerson’s record of 2,105 yards, and Peterson rushed for 210 against the Packers four games ago.
 
Coming off a 55-7 thrashing of Tennessee, the Packers are more concerned with getting themselves the best possible playoff position and striving toward playing their best football as the postseason approaches.
 
A high-stakes road game against an NFC North rival in a loud, hostile dome is just what McCarthy would order up for his squad in Week 17.
 
“I think this is exactly the way you want it going into the playoffs, especially with this year’s team,” he said. “I still feel that we have the ability to be even better. I don’t think we’ve consistently played our best football yet.
 
“Now, we obviously had a very decisive victory against the Titans, but this football team still has more in front of them, and that’s what I’m excited about. To have the opportunity to play a playoff-type game, a playoff game atmosphere on the road with the crowd noise, both teams have a lot on the line here. Shoot, I think it’s great for our football team.”
 
 
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 28, 2012, 10:16:16 pm

 Started the season 7-1.

 CHICAGO BEARS @ DEEEEEEEEEETROIT.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 29, 2012, 09:15:23 am
Funny how much opinion varies.

In my opinion, it is a toss up between Russell Wilson and Luck.  I lean to Wilson, he just has it and he has improved through the season.  I really like that kid.  I would have no qualms with Luck.  He is solid, sturdily built as an oak.  His ceiling is high and his floor is high.  That would be the one advantage I would give him over Wilson is I think Wilson will have a few clunkers in him.

RG 3 has already taken to hellacious hits.  He is young and in the best shape of his life.  i think those hits will slow him down over time and I think he has the shortest shelf life of the 3.  I think his talent is equal, I just think he is too thinly built for the seasons of punishment he is going to take.  I don't think he would have gotten up from the same hit that suh put on Cutler.
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Post by: Sportster on December 29, 2012, 09:21:58 am
Here's the deal, IMO....Wilson is playing well above his head. How long he can sustain this is yet to be seen, but I'm guessing he's gonna flare out eventually. RG3 I'm getting more the Vick vibe from him, but with a better head on his shoulders than Vick had. So he may go further but still, same thing as Vick. Great potential, never really gets you where you wanna go though. Luck? Another Manning, IMO. The kids ceiling is as high as it can be. He may even have more success than Manning has had.
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Post by: yapper on December 29, 2012, 11:47:16 am
Agreed those college style offenses the Skins and Seahawks run are fun to watch but they open up the QB to a lot more punishment than Indy's system. Luck is likely to last longer just on account of that.
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Post by: WshflThinking on December 29, 2012, 11:59:27 am
Yapp, whats the latest outlook on Jake Long? Is he finished in Miami? Can we steal hhim away or are we much better trying to draft a LT?
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Post by: 46 on December 30, 2012, 08:02:26 pm
yahoo reporting Reid already launched.
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Post by: WshflThinking on December 30, 2012, 08:53:34 pm
Not surprised. That way they get a head start on getting the coach they want. I just dont think the Bears move that quickly
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Post by: 46 on December 30, 2012, 08:54:42 pm
If at all.
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Post by: Sportster on December 31, 2012, 06:23:49 am
Well, Romo was who we thought he was.....a QB that is terrible in big games. Record in big games: 1-6  This loss was on him and the D collapsing. Nearly every play shown on Sportscenter was one of two things happening: Romo throwing another pick and the D letting either the QB or RB run untouched 20 yards for a score. Changes should be afoot in Big D.....
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Post by: wmljohn on December 31, 2012, 08:52:12 am
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Post by: yapper on December 31, 2012, 09:02:47 am
So far I've seen firing announcements on Crennel (KC), Shurmer (Cleveland), and Reid.

Got to assume Norv Turner's firing will be crossing the wires anytime now too.

Rex Ryan, incredibly, is staying with the Jets though their GM has been launched.

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Post by: Phill23 on December 31, 2012, 11:13:35 am
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c8.0.403.403/p403x403/181379_534431246569200_294896972_n.jpg)

TRIPLE LOL!!!!
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Post by: yapper on December 31, 2012, 11:14:22 am
So the Skins and Seahawks face off Sunday after all.

That one will be fun.
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Post by: WshflThinking on December 31, 2012, 11:17:04 am
I assume Phill will be rooting for his beloved Seachickens
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Post by: wmljohn on December 31, 2012, 11:17:11 am
Seems like a lot of GM's are getting the axe today.  I don't remember this many Gm's in previous years getting axed on Bloody Monday.
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Post by: yapper on December 31, 2012, 11:20:25 am
Yeah you're not seeing a lot of package firings.  The coach and GM in Cleveland both got the boot.

The Jets canned their GM but kept Ryan (at least so far).  Vice versa in KC where Crennel is gone but Pioli at least for now is still on board.

I expect the Chargers to let go of both Turner and their GM but those two firings may not be announced simultaneously.

Apparently the Bears are opening the locker room to the media at 11 today for player interviews but Emery will not be present.
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Post by: yapper on December 31, 2012, 12:44:46 pm
Now the package deal firings are happening.

HC and GM both out in Arizona, same deal in San Diego.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 02, 2013, 04:02:20 am

 I hope Andy Reid goes to Arizona ... because he is being talked about for Chicago ...

 NO FUUUCKING WAY !!
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Post by: yapper on January 02, 2013, 08:23:59 am
I'm pretty sure Reid to Arizona is happening.  It would reunite him with Kolb, plus the sunny desert seems like a good place to make a fresh start after all the crap that's gone down with him in Philly.  I see him being a lot in the same situation as Lovie...  solid veteran coaches who nevertheless got to a point where they needed to move on.  The difference being, the morale on that Eagles team is absolutely shot whereas I think the lockerroom in Chicago is still pretty positive albeit a few veteran Lovie flag-bearers that will either need to get on board with the new HC or ship out.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 02, 2013, 03:12:36 pm
I'd be shocked if Reid didnt get the gig in Zona
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Post by: yapper on January 02, 2013, 03:16:22 pm
Personally I think Reid would be best served taking a year off to process all the stuff that's gone down in his professional and personal life.

But that doesn't seem to be his intention. 
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 03, 2013, 02:42:10 am

 Reid in Aroz and he gets Kolb back.
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Post by: yapper on January 03, 2013, 08:51:31 am
Or not?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/03/chiefs-now-look-more-likely-than-cardinals-to-hire-andy-reid/

BTW has Lovie even scheduled any interviews yet?  For being such a supposedly hot candidate it's curious he hasn't met with anyone yet.  But then, urgency was never his trademark in anything, was it?

Makes me wonder if there's already a gentleman's agreement in place with somebody (Dallas?) that has yet to be announced.
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Post by: yapper on January 03, 2013, 09:10:01 am
So, apparently Reid would rather join the Chiefs, spend that #1 pick on Geno Smith and rebuild the team around him, than reunite with Kevin Kolb in AZ.

Can't say I blame him.  The Cardinals finished with a better record than the Chiefs this year, but the Chiefs have better talent by far. They are only a couple of players and a culture shift away from being back to a 10+ win team.

Not to mention when you look at the AFC West vs. NFC West, wins should be a lot easier to come by in KC next year than they will be in Arizona.  That Cardinals gig is not as plum as some people are making it out to be and it wouldn't surprise me if they filled Whiz' spot with someone already in-house.
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Post by: wmljohn on January 03, 2013, 02:14:16 pm
Looks like KC has their man...


Kansas City Chiefs

Replacing: Romeo Crennel

In the mix: Andy Reid

The latest: Reid appears to be close to a deal with the team, cancelling interviews with the Cardinals and Chargers to continue negotiations with the Chiefs.

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Post by: yapper on January 03, 2013, 02:20:03 pm
Reid and Chiefs?

Definitely not a match I would have foreseen, but with the weakness of that division (outside the Broncos) and the talent on that roster, Reid could have the Chiefs back in contention sooner than later IF he can find a QB and IF he can bring in a DC that will get that D playing up to their ability. 

Given his love for developing young QBs, I will be interested to see who lines up under center for the Chiefs this year.  They have the #1 overall pick but there's not a QB worthy of it this year.  Maybe they try a trade down, or they use the #1 for another position and grab their QB in the 2nd.

I have to admit I'm a bit surprised Reid even put his hat into the ring at all to coach in 2013, and even more surprised that he apparently will be the first FA coach on the market to be hired.
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Post by: boogie on January 03, 2013, 07:10:42 pm
It would be funny if they picked up Mike Vick in the FA market.  ;)
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 03, 2013, 09:44:57 pm

 Reid going to the NFC West would have his ass kicked for a number of years.

 He knows what those teams are doing in the NFC West.

 If he plays the game in the AFC West he has room to expand and gather strength.

 He only has Denver to deal with.

 If I'm not mistaken ... a first round draft pick also.
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Post by: davebear on January 03, 2013, 10:12:51 pm
The Chargers are going to interview Lovie.

May as well have kept Norv
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 03, 2013, 10:20:15 pm
The Chargers are going to interview Lovie.

May as well have kept Norv

 LOL !! Now that was mean ...
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Post by: yapper on January 03, 2013, 10:20:57 pm
I'd be happy for Lovies sake if he wound up in San Diego.

Nice place to live, and the fans (and owners) dont expect a lot. Good place to collect a few more mil and finish out his career.
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Post by: Sportster on January 03, 2013, 11:54:29 pm
Mean but true, lol!
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 04, 2013, 12:09:08 am

 PREDICTION : Lovie takes the Chargers to 9-7 year one.
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Post by: yapper on January 04, 2013, 08:25:39 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/jeremiah-trotter-andy-reid-got-out-coached-in-a-lot-of-games/

Interesting... same thing could be said of Lovie.  Yet Reid is all but already hired in KC while Lovie has gotten barely a nibble.

I guess if you're considered an offensive guru you get a lot more leeway than if you're a defensive guy.
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Post by: yapper on January 04, 2013, 09:17:04 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/chiefs-announce-that-g-m-scott-pioli-has-been-fired/

A necessary move in KC, and virtually seals the deal with Reid as their new HC.
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Post by: yapper on January 04, 2013, 10:01:21 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/ron-rivera-jerry-richardson-meeting-on-saturday/

End of the line for Chico in Carolina?

Lovie may be needing a DC but I think that bridge was burned back in Chicago.
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Post by: yapper on January 04, 2013, 10:25:27 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/report-chiefs-and-andy-reid-agree-to-deal/

Really glad we didn't get into the race for this guy. He ain't all that, his recent staffing decisions have been terrible, he's as bad of a game manager as Lovie and IMHO, he is heading for big-time burnout. 

Pretty likely he'll have the Chiefs looking much better next season (not that they could be much worse).... but not sure how long he'll stay there... or what shape they'll be in when he leaves.

First thing they have to do is solve their tragic QB situation and for all of Reid's faults he's pretty good with QBs.
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Post by: yapper on January 04, 2013, 01:45:43 pm
Cowher to Carolina?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/could-cowher-become-the-coach-in-carolina/

This rumor has had legs for a couple years already but with Chico and his boss having a sit-down tomorrow, who knows?
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Post by: yapper on January 04, 2013, 02:56:28 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/ponder-winfield-questionable-for-vikings/

My personal opinion?  Packer fans better pray Ponder can go.  Joe Webb is crazy athletic and if he gets the start the Packers could run into the same situation we hit with Kaepernick...  a young stud with raw skills who takes them completely by surprise.
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Post by: yapper on January 04, 2013, 03:39:14 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/texans-place-tim-dobbins-on-injured-reserve/

This is the fuc-ker that knocked Cutler out of the Texans game (and the Niners game the week after).

Suck it Dobbins. Karma's a biotch.
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Post by: yapper on January 04, 2013, 03:58:30 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/g-m-dominoes-could-start-falling-soon/

What?  No Angelo on this list?  No Tim Ruskell?

Guess they must be "retired", LOL.
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Post by: packrat on January 04, 2013, 07:05:11 pm
Report: Jets' GM Candidates Told They Have to Keep Rex


Dumbest decision that I have seen.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 04, 2013, 07:38:40 pm
Same deal the Bears pulled with Emery last year.
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Post by: boogie on January 04, 2013, 08:20:28 pm
Exactly the same.  Stupid really.
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Post by: navigator on January 05, 2013, 07:59:49 am
I'm not sure that is always a bad thing.
Most of these GMs are new to the job, they were formerly scouts.
It lets them concentrate on one thing over the offseason, retooling the toolbox.
It also gives them a season to evaluate the coaches and see if it was the coach or the talent.
It also gives them time to think about the staff they might want to have in place.

Once the Jets hire a GM, a lot of the premium coaches are likely to be gone.
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Post by: packrat on January 05, 2013, 02:30:39 pm
Rex is running a circus.  I can't think of a dumber HC to force on a new GM who is trying to formulate his own team.
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Post by: yapper on January 05, 2013, 02:39:45 pm
I can't see how any GM worth a damn would want to put up with Wrecks Ryan for even one season.

Kinda have the feeling the Jets will be looking awhile to fill that spot.
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Post by: yapper on January 05, 2013, 04:07:26 pm
Snoozer of a game between Bengals and Texans but damn, the Houston O-Line is really good.
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Post by: Fearless Freep on January 05, 2013, 05:03:59 pm
Halftime filler: Oh spare me .... an APeterson interview by Costas - I'll see enough of him later on.
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Post by: yapper on January 05, 2013, 05:16:57 pm
Man am I glad Emery doesn't have Jay Gruden on his list.

The Bengals offense is horrific.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 05, 2013, 05:22:26 pm
I would prefer Jay over John. Granted it was arena league but he did a nice job in Orlando as HC of the Predators. Very creative offensive mind despite what Cincy looks like today against the Texans.
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Post by: yapper on January 05, 2013, 05:29:33 pm
The Bengals in this game remind me exactly of the Bears this year.

Pretty good bend but don't break D, non-existent pass offense when the #1 WR is taken away, a RB that breaks off three or four nice runs but invisible the rest of the time, and a TE that can't catch. 
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 06, 2013, 02:04:43 am

 If this turns out to be Atlanta taking it all ...
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Post by: yapper on January 06, 2013, 01:37:36 pm
It sounds like Lovie isn't getting the HC gig in Buffalo.

Twitter reports saying they're gonna hire the guy from Syracuse.
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Post by: Sportster on January 06, 2013, 01:39:53 pm
I give Atlanta about 30% chance of taking it all. Not impressed with them really at all. I think GB, SF, Broncos, Pats all can dismantle them pretty handily. To me, the Birds have been smoke and mirrors. They don't have the toughness needed to run with the pack....
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Post by: yapper on January 06, 2013, 01:43:18 pm
Wow.  These first three playoff games this weekend have sucked azz.  Two AFC snore-fests and a blowout last night.  But I supposed that comes with the territory on wildcard weekend.

I hope the Seahawks/Skins one is worth watching at least.
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Post by: yapper on January 06, 2013, 02:41:20 pm
Ravens just scored again.

The Colts are the worst 11-win team I've seen in a long time.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 06, 2013, 03:24:51 pm
Every time I hear about Ray Lewis being called a great one and a role model I'm reminded of this.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-mike-bianchi-ray-lewis-0106-20130105,0,1707256.column

Lewis, his two good friends — Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting — and nine others sped away from the crime scene in a 40-foot Lincoln limousine. Lewis, Oakley and Sweeting were charged with the killings and cleared in a controversial court decision that still leaves many questions unanswered.

Why, when Lewis made an appearance at a sporting goods store the day before the Super Bowl, did his friends buy knives at the store?

Why did witnesses say the limo pulled over and someone dumped bloody clothes into a trash bin?

Why was the white suit Ray Lewis wore that night never found?

Why did the limo driver change his story mid-trial after originally testifying that Lewis told everyone to "just keep your mouth shut and don't say nothing"? Originally, the driver told police he saw Lewis actively taking part in the bloody brawl and heard Oakley and Sweeting admit to stabbing someone. But he backed off those statements when he got on the witness stand.

Why did prosecutors reduce the murder charge against Lewis to misdemeanor obstruction of justice? It was a plea deal in which Lewis agreed to testify against his two friends, Oakley and Sweeting, who were later acquitted after Lewis' testimony failed to implicate them in the murders.

"Why were people changing their stories?" Joyce Lollar asked on the way to the cemetery that day. "… The jury didn't know who or what to believe. By lying and deceiving from the beginning, Ray Lewis helped set everybody free."

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Post by: yapper on January 06, 2013, 03:29:37 pm
I hear you Keys...  I've always thought Ray Lewis gave off a really fishy vibe and he is definitely not a guy I'd ever want involved in the life of anyone I cared about.

I for one am glad he's hanging it up.  Great player no doubt but never cared for him as a person and frankly have gotten tired of hearing about him and seeing his stupid pre-game schtick.
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Post by: yapper on January 06, 2013, 03:48:52 pm
Redskins OL is doin' work today.

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Post by: yapper on January 06, 2013, 04:09:35 pm
Skins up 14-0.

Gotta admit I'm enjoying watching the Seachickens get pushed around.

Don't know if RGIII is gonna make it to the end of the game though.
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Post by: Fearless Freep on January 06, 2013, 05:07:50 pm
Every time I hear about Ray Lewis being called a great one and a role model I'm reminded of this.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-mike-bianchi-ray-lewis-0106-20130105,0,1707256.column (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-mike-bianchi-ray-lewis-0106-20130105,0,1707256.column)

Absolutely - between him, Brian Billick, and the jobbed-by-Irsay Baltimore Colt fans, I've hated the Ravens with a passion ..... worst offence by-a-country-mile to ever win a SB.
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Post by: Pekin on January 06, 2013, 06:35:28 pm
I am no fan of Ray Lewis and I don't think it makes up for his involvement in a murder but since that incident he has been a good citizen and has done a lot of good.  Watch "Football Life" featuring him and you can see the good he does now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 06, 2013, 06:36:13 pm
Too bad to see RGIII leave the game.  That knee buckle looked ugly.

He should have been pulled long before that happened.  It was pretty clear to see he wasn't right. 

I like the kid and hope no permanent damage was done.  Gonna be a lot of questions raised about how Shanahan and the Skins medical staff have played this whole situation.  Considering they basically mortgaged their future for the guy you'd think they'd be a little smarter about protecting their investment.
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Post by: packrat on January 06, 2013, 06:38:55 pm


The Return Of Charles Woodson Improves Packers Defense




By Devin Shanley on Jan 6, 1:44a 31




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The Green Bay Packers defense looked significantly better against the Vikings this week as compared to last week. The return of Charles Woodson is a major factor for this improvement....but is he the only reason?


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As I walked back to my car from the game tonight a question echoed over and over again in my mind….who was missed more, Charles Woodson or Christian Ponder? It’s hard to put your finger on the right answer considering the turn around the defense had over the past six days. Last week the Vikings scored 37 points on the Packers (that still gives me an upset stomach allowing that many points to that offense). This week the defense held the Vikings to 10 points, and the lone touchdown happened in garbage time due to a breakdown in coverage. It was a dramatically different performance by a squad that took its fair share of criticism over the past week.
 
So that comes back to the question…is this turn around Woodson’s presence or was it Ponder’s absence?

Woodson’s presence is hard to ignore. He ended the day tied for second on the team in total tackles (6) and solo tackles (4) as well as having a tackle for a loss. He also nearly added a sack on top of all of that. More than just the stats though, it seemed like Woodson was able to consistently break through the line of scrimmage and cause problems all night long. Even when he wasn’t able to make a play in the backfield he was able to show why the Packers defense is different when he is out there. The best play that shows this is one that occurred early in the game. Adrian Peterson had broken past the first wave of defenders and looked to turn a solid run into long touchdown run, but Woodson came in and stopped him cold. It was this sort of open field tackling that the Packers were missing the previous two games….allowing AP to rack up 400 yards of rushing. With Woodson available Peterson did even to gain 100 this time out.
 
As great as it was to see Woodson back, he may not be the real reason the Packers’ defense was so successful this time out. Coming into the game I thought that Joe Webb would be a nightmare for the Packers’ defense. Visions of a read option and Webb making big run after big run flashed before my eyes. The first drive seemed to confirm this, and I was just thankful that the Vikings were held to a field goal. A funny thing happened though as the game wore on…the Viking offense just could not function. The Packers stayed disciplined in their gaps and did not miss tackles and the Packers offense was able to put up points. This forced the Vikings to stray from that read option and call more pass plays….which Webb was not able to do. I must confess I did not think that Ponder was a viable long term option for the Vikings, but seeing the offense without him has caused me to reconsider that point. A team does not go from scoring nearly forty points one week and then struggling to put up ten the next without some serious losses in personnel. I guess losing Ponder is one of them.
 
So which was the bigger factor for the Packers this week, Ponder’s unavailability or Woodson’s return? It’s a tough choice, but I would have to lean towards the return of Woodson. His ability to disrupt the Vikings offense and stop the big play was something the Packers missed greatly last week. Most importantly though he helped keep Peterson in check in a way the Packers have simply been unable to do previously this season.

It’s good to see Woodson back on the field. The Packers are going to need him if they are going to make a deep push in the playoffs. If there was any doubt of that before tonight just watching what the defense was able to do in stopping the Vikings shows how big an impact Woodson can have and how badly the Packers need him to continue their playoff push.
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Post by: Pekin on January 06, 2013, 06:49:22 pm
Woodson definately improved your run defense.
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Post by: packrat on January 06, 2013, 06:52:36 pm
Yeah.  He still has those insrincts and an ability to use them.  For how long, though?
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Post by: yapper on January 06, 2013, 07:45:39 pm
Looks like the Colts have work to do on their OL just like us. And from what I read they'll have a lot of FA money to spend too.

At least they're drafting after us this year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 06, 2013, 07:49:33 pm
Re the Packers... They have finally found a run game, and some run defense as well.

That improves their odds of a deep playoff run immensely.

Niners at the Stick will not be easy though.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 06, 2013, 08:11:34 pm
Re the Packers... They have finally found a run game, and some run defense as well.

That improves their odds of a deep playoff run immensely.

Niners at the Stick will not be easy though.

 If the Niners get both of the Smith brothers back ... its over.

 Otherwise ... the Pack has all of their WR's healthy in god knows how long.

 This is going to be a game to watch.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 06, 2013, 10:50:34 pm
It sounds like Lovie isn't getting the HC gig in Buffalo.

Twitter reports saying they're gonna hire the guy from Syracuse.

IF I were a Bills fan I'd be highly ****ed at this hire.  What the hell has this guy done in college ball to make them overlook the likes of Smith, Kelly,  McCoy, and the other eligible and qualified candidates out there?  Bills will be garbage for the next 5 years.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 06, 2013, 10:58:54 pm
I'm a little surprised Lovie hasn't drawn more interest by now.

BTW it looks like Chip Kelly is staying at Oregon. Talks with the Browns and Eagles went nowhere and I dont think any other teams had a serious interest in him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 06, 2013, 11:07:39 pm
He had been contacted by 4 teams when fired so you can't say that there's no interest in him.

It's still early so things will pick up when the season ends.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 06, 2013, 11:19:54 pm
He had been contacted by 4 teams when fired so you can't say that there's no interest in him.

It's still early so things will pick up when the season ends.

 All ex-Bearsse coaches go to Buffalo.
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Post by: Pekin on January 06, 2013, 11:26:44 pm
He didn't say no interest in Lovie he said he was surprised there wasn't more interest in Lovie.  Put your pom poms down.

I am actually surprised he has not gotten more interest as well.  I felt he was a good coach just not good enough.  I thought some other team that has been circling the drain for years would be happy to hire him so they would at least be comptetitive in most games.

Lovie is a good enough coach to get a team 7-9 to 9-7 most years.  He just is not a good enough coach to get them over the top.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 06, 2013, 11:31:29 pm
He didn't say no interest in Lovie he said he was surprised there wasn't more interest in Lovie.  Put your pom poms down.


LOL!!!  I know you don't  like black people but only guys in the trailer homes have the pom poms.  At least that's what I was told when guys like you get it on with your cousins.

Hope the Bears don't get another black coach or you'll have a fit!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 06, 2013, 11:33:40 pm
Or a typical Pekin meltdown.
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Post by: Pekin on January 06, 2013, 11:41:17 pm
I have no problem with black people or people of any color, race or religion for that matter.  I don't like you but it has nothing to do with your race and everything to do with you being an azzhole and a troll.

If the best coach for the job is black I would be absolutely fine with it.  Just as I was with Lovie until he missed the play offs for years, had a losing record against Green Bay and had two seasons in a row when the team had epic meltdowns in the second half of the season.

I think Lovie is a fine human being and I respect him.  I also think he is a good football coach but his time in Chicago needed to come to an end simply because he was not getting the job done.

But hey we all know as long as a player or coach is black they get a free pass from you.  You are the biggest racist on these boards bar none.  It is not even close.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 06, 2013, 11:49:01 pm
Of course I don't buy that load of crap post of yours.   You hate blacks and what's even funnier the league has over 70% black players.  You got to overlook a person's skin color if you're going to be a fan of the NFL.  You're not only a pitiful POS but a racist one at that.  You shouldn't hate anyone including me based on my race or my comments on a message board.  IF you don't like it just scroll past my posts.  But you won't because you learn things from me I guess.

Hatred is a bad thing to have in your heart.  Maybe there's a church near your trailer that you can visit. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Fearless Freep on January 07, 2013, 12:46:39 am
 
Re the Packers... They have finally found a run game, and some run defense as well.

That improves their odds of a deep playoff run immensely.

I wouldn't go that far ... safe to say w/o (the newly minted) run game against THAT pass rush, the most sacked QB this season would be again and % of winning goes way down.



If the Niners get both of the Smith brothers back ... its over.

 Otherwise ... the Pack has all of their WR's healthy in god knows how long.

 This is going to be a game to watch.

Not over ... but this is the pivot of GB's playoffs ..... a win signals at least a SB slot; a loss .... well, most agree that SF is a mighty good team who should be favoured ..... Kapaernick is the wild card.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 07, 2013, 05:50:51 am
Too bad to see RGIII leave the game.  That knee buckle looked ugly.

He should have been pulled long before that happened.  It was pretty clear to see he wasn't right. 

I like the kid and hope no permanent damage was done.  Gonna be a lot of questions raised about how Shanahan and the Skins medical staff have played this whole situation.  Considering they basically mortgaged their future for the guy you'd think they'd be a little smarter about protecting their investment.

He looked sick out there limping around.  They should have pulled him after they went up by 14, you could tell then he could hardly walk.  So what you ended up seeing is what MJD wanted Cutler to do.  Go out there lame and play long enough to keep your team without a chance to win.  Smith made the right decision to pull Cutler and Shanahan blew it.  Seriously, you can not trust the player to make the decision, the coach and team need to make that decision.  Shanahan deserves every bit of ridicule he is going to receive on this one.  You lost the battle and you may have just lost the war.  I think RG can still be a good QB, but as I have been saying, he is going to need to change his style and wreckless nature because he is not built for the punishment.
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Post by: BearHit on January 07, 2013, 07:22:38 am
What happened to the Skins Defense though?

They were up 14-0 early on
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Post by: yapper on January 07, 2013, 08:12:30 am
RGIII is having an MRI today and I suspect the results will be not good.  Maybe not as bad as AP's was but still bad.

When you've got a big brace on like he did and the knee still buckles like that, it can't be good.  The kid is in for a long hard offseason of rehab I'm afraid.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 07, 2013, 08:39:06 am
IF I were a Bills fan I'd be highly ****ed at this hire.  What the hell has this guy done in college ball to make them overlook the likes of Smith, Kelly,  McCoy, and the other eligible and qualified candidates out there?  Bills will be garbage for the next 5 years.

If I were  Bills fan that had recently had Dick Jauron and Chan Gailey I would be happy that they didn't hire another NFL retread. If I were McCoy or Kelly why would I want to leave Denver or Oregon to live in Buffalo? McCoy seems to be the hot commodity so I'm sure he can have several gigs to choose from before this is over. Buffalo pretty much has to take what they can get.
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Post by: yapper on January 07, 2013, 08:46:14 am
The interesting thing is that while Buffalo is a s*hithole to live in, AZ and San Diego are awesome places to live... yet all three of those teams can't seem to make any headway on a HC.

Locale is definitely a factor...  and probably more so for younger guys with kids at home than older guys like Lovie... but I have to think it's pretty far down the list for most HC candidates. Things like talent level (especially at QB), cap situation, compatibility with the front office, strength of division and of course salary all are probably higher up the list than location for the majority of guys at that level. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 07, 2013, 08:51:55 am
That Bevell guy seems like kind of an odd choice to spend time on.

Most Vikings fans despised him when he was the OC in Minny.  And he seems to get mixed reviews even for what he's done in Seattle.

Definitely doesn't strike me as a short-list prospect but maybe Emery's got other reasons to tap his brain.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 07, 2013, 09:30:37 am
If I were  Bills fan that had recently had Dick Jauron and Chan Gailey I would be happy that they didn't hire another NFL retread.

Agreed.  But there are candidates out there that to me are way more qualified to take over that team then the no-name they just hired.  I think it'll set them back years from being a respectable team.

At least they could've done a thorough coaching search instead of whom they just hired. 

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If I were McCoy or Kelly why would I want to leave Denver or Oregon to live in Buffalo? McCoy seems to be the hot commodity so I'm sure he can have several gigs to choose from before this is over. Buffalo pretty much has to take what they can get.

There are more candidates that's qualified to take over than McCoy or Kelly.  I just threw those names out there because they didn't interview them.  I"m sure if the Bills asked to speak to them they would at least listen like Kelly did with Cleveland.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 07, 2013, 09:47:42 am
I have no problem with black people or people of any color, race or religion for that matter.  I don't like you but it has nothing to do with your race and everything to do with you being an azzhole and a troll.

If the best coach for the job is black I would be absolutely fine with it.  Just as I was with Lovie until he missed the play offs for years, had a losing record against Green Bay and had two seasons in a row when the team had epic meltdowns in the second half of the season.

I think Lovie is a fine human being and I respect him.  I also think he is a good football coach but his time in Chicago needed to come to an end simply because he was not getting the job done.

But hey we all know as long as a player or coach is black they get a free pass from you.  You are the biggest racist on these boards bar none.  It is not even close.

Absolutely 100%correct. BAR NONE. Its like being pissed Lovie got canned but not Tice. Its like Cutler was bad but no criticism of Jason Campbell. Its systematic, its real, and its obvious
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 07, 2013, 10:52:25 am
Now this is the clown the Bills hired.....


Sources: Syracuse's Marrone to take over Bills

Associated Press
Sun January 6, 2013 9:39PM


Doug Marrone is set to try to turn around an NFL team after improving a college program down the road.

Marrone reached an agreement to become the Buffalo Bills' new coach Sunday, three people familiar with the negotiations told The Associated Press. One person said the sides were still putting the finishing touches on the contract for Marrone to sign.

The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because there has not been an official announcement.

Marrone will replace Chan Gailey, who was fired Dec. 31, a day after the Bills closed their second consecutive season with a 6-10 record and extended the NFL's longest active playoff drought to 13 seasons. The 48-year-old Marrone, who is from the Bronx, went 25-25 in four seasons at Syracuse.

ESPN.com first reported early Sunday that Marrone would be leaving the Orange to become the Bills' next coach.

Syracuse was 26-57 over a seven-year period before Marrone took over at his alma mater. The Orange finished this season 8-5, winning six of their last seven games, including a 38-14 victory over West Virginia in the Pinstripe Bowl.

A person who had a role in hiring Marrone in Syracuse, speaking on condition of anonymity because the move had not been announced, said Orange officials had been made aware the coach was leaving for the NFL.

Now, he's set for another challenge two hours down the New York State Thruway. He'll be taking over a team that has not had a winning record since 2004, is on its fifth head coach since 2001, and closed last season by losing seven of its final 10 games.

The Syracuse job was Marrone's first as a head coach. He has seven years of NFL experience; Marrone spent 2006-08 as the New Orleans Saints' offensive coordinator and was the New York Jets' offensive line coach from 2002-05.

Marrone's arrival in New Orleans coincided with the Saints' addition of Drew Brees. Though head coach Sean Payton called the plays on game day, Marrone helped oversee an offense that led the NFL in yards in 2006 and `08. In 2007, the Saints set a league record with 440 completions.

The Bills' perennially weak offense could certainly use a boost. And he's got work to do improving a high-priced but underachieving defense.

One of Marrone's first decisions on offense will be determining the future of quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick, who took a big step back in his third season as starter, and a year after signing a five-year, $59 million contract extension. Buffalo finished 19th in the NFL in yards gained and 21st in points scored this season.

Fitzpatrick, who shares the same agent as Marrone, is due a $3 million roster bonus in March.

General manager Buddy Nix has already said he plans to select a quarterback in the draft in April. He also hasn't ruled out the possibility of acquiring one in free agency or through a trade.

One draft candidate could be Syracuse senior Ryan Nassib, who is projected to be a second- or third-round pick.

The Bills defense performed well below the high expectations that were created in March, when Buffalo signed defensive end Mario Williams to a six-year, $100 million contract. The defense instead proved porous and incohesive in finishing among the NFL's worst. Buffalo allowed 435 points - the second-most in team history.

The Bills opened their coaching search Tuesday, when newly promoted President Russ Brandon and several executives traveled to Arizona, where they interviewed candidates. They met with former Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt and current Cardinals defensive coordinator Ray Horton. The Bills also interviewed Oregon coach Chip Kelly and former Bears coach Lovie Smith.

Marrone had also interviewed with the Cleveland Browns for their vacancy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 07, 2013, 10:53:19 am
And this guy is better than the other candidates out there now available? 

Good luck Buffalo.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 07, 2013, 10:56:46 am
I agree...  very curious choice by the Bills.

Lovie could probably get in here...  if he were willing to be the DC and not HC.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/07/tampa-two-could-be-coming-to-kansas-city/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 07, 2013, 11:13:02 am
Sounds like he had some good experience at New Orleans. Chip Kelly had no NFL experience yet some here think he should have been the choice.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 07, 2013, 11:15:20 am
Something I find interesting is KC fired their GM Paoli who was a friend of Emery's in New England. Now with all the Andy Reid and Tampa 2 stuff being talked about the fait of our defensive system and coaches becomes even more important. Emery needs to keep his eyes and ears on that situation.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 07, 2013, 11:18:18 am
If we change systems and defensive coaches we kinda swap coaches and players with KC. Urlacher in KC?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 07, 2013, 11:19:52 am
Sounds like he had some good experience at New Orleans. Chip Kelly had no NFL experience yet some here think he should have been the choice.

No I never said Kelly should've been the choice.  I said I felt he was a better candidate than what the Bills hired.  Personally I thought as of yesterday Kelly was going to the Browns anyway.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 07, 2013, 11:24:27 am
Buffalo has some unique weather up there and somebody like Marrone who coached Syrexcuse might be more logical than some might expect.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 07, 2013, 11:26:52 am
I wonder who really pulled the plug on the Kelly to Cleveland thing. Did Kelly really decide  to stay at Oregon or did he bomb the interview and that's just a face saving thing?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 07, 2013, 11:38:52 am
Or Kelly was just using the NFL teams to leverage more goodies out of Oregon.

Not to mention that in terms of quality of life, Cleveland and/or Philly wouldn't exactly be upgrades.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 07, 2013, 11:43:21 am
Regarding KC, personally I think it would be ludicrous for them to transition to a 4-3.

They've spent multiple very high draft picks (especially on the front 7) for players who were picked with the 3-4 in mind and have been playing in that system their entire career. Doesn't make much sense to me to flush all that.

Much like the Bears, the Chiefs have their hands full just getting their offense up to snuff so why blow things up right away on the other side of the ball as well?
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 07, 2013, 11:56:37 am
Agree with that but wonder about Andy Reid and a 3-4 defense. I dont remember him using that defense. Jim Johnson ran a 4-3, right? What I am saying is that Reid maybe wanting KC to go back to a 4-3 defense for him and Paoli is gone. Has there been a new GM been selected? Are the inmates running thew assylum down there in KC?
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Post by: yapper on January 07, 2013, 11:58:32 am
Philly has been a 4-3 team for a long time.

Pioli got launched as a condition of Reid taking the HC job.  So essentially Reid is calling the shots on the GM selection and not vice versa.

Rumblings are that a guy from the Packers' front office has the inside track for GM in KC but nothing has been announced yet.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 07, 2013, 12:07:39 pm
But the Packers run the 3-4
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Post by: 46 on January 07, 2013, 12:27:35 pm
Re the Bills, the radio program  today said the new coach took what was viewed as a garbage team and did very well. I haven't a clue, but it can't be the proximity of the location, Orange play indoors.  Having lived on an eastern shore of a great lake for longer than I would care to admit, the weather is simply horrendous.  It affects everything year round.  It is said on Yahoo the biggest industry in Buffalo N.Y. now is bill collection agencies. Its the debt collection captial of the U.S.  And lets not forget, your just a hop skip and jump from Hooker chemical's love canal. 
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Post by: guest77 on January 07, 2013, 09:25:16 pm
RGIII is having an MRI today and I suspect the results will be not good.  Maybe not as bad as AP's was but still bad.

When you've got a big brace on like he did and the knee still buckles like that, it can't be good.  The kid is in for a long hard offseason of rehab I'm afraid.

This is the video of the RG3 knee injury.  Pretty nasty looking...A knee is not supposed to do that.  Shanahan and that Doctor better get their stories straight.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/1/6/3844114/rg3-injury-griffin-suffers-gruesome-knee-injury (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/1/6/3844114/rg3-injury-griffin-suffers-gruesome-knee-injury)
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Post by: 46 on January 07, 2013, 09:40:23 pm
He done blow'd the acl up a littile bit.
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Post by: 46 on January 07, 2013, 10:37:07 pm
Sorry, correction. He done blow'd up the acl AND lcl a lil' bit.  Oh where are you players who ragged on Jay Cutler? I can't hear you now. Jerks.
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Post by: Dave23 on January 07, 2013, 10:39:23 pm
Morons
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Post by: Phill23 on January 08, 2013, 12:28:25 am
Redskins' RG3 tore ACL, LCL in loss?


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/washington-redskins-robert-griffin-iii-rg3-will-have-more-tests-on-acl-010713
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 08, 2013, 01:12:23 am
Sorry, correction. He done blow'd up the acl AND lcl a lil' bit.  Oh where are you players who ragged on Jay Cutler? I can't hear you now. Jerks.

And both J-Cut and RG3 plays on very bad home turf.  If that doesn't at least give the Bears something to think about next season nothing will.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 08, 2013, 05:19:57 am
Actually, if you watch the play before, Bruce Irvin sacks him and bends that knee back and I think that is the tackle that tore it.  On that play he is basically just running forward to recover the snap and the knee gives.  I think it was the hit prior.
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Post by: yapper on January 08, 2013, 07:36:14 am
And both J-Cut and RG3 plays on very bad home turf.  If that doesn't at least give the Bears something to think about next season nothing will.

Yeah I daresay that Redskins turf on Sunday was every bit as bad as bad as I've ever seen Soldier Field.

I haven't been a big fan of Gooddell but if he came out after this and said that all cold weather outdoor NFL stadiums were required to have FieldTurf that wouldn't bother me at all.  A league mandate might be the only way we ever see that change in Chicago.
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Post by: 46 on January 08, 2013, 08:18:40 am
+1.  People shouldn't lose thier livelyhood because of crummy turf.
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Post by: yapper on January 08, 2013, 08:41:28 am
They're saying the field at Candlestick Park isn't looking much better than FedEx field did last Sunday.

And that's in San Fran, where it never freezes.  I don't get it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 08, 2013, 08:50:34 am
Sorry, correction. He done blow'd up the acl AND lcl a lil' bit.  Oh where are you players who ragged on Jay Cutler? I can't hear you now. Jerks.

Hell...where are all the posters here who were calling him Quitler?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: guest77 on January 08, 2013, 11:47:51 am
And both J-Cut and RG3 plays on very bad home turf.  If that doesn't at least give the Bears something to think about next season nothing will.

Yeah I daresay that Redskins turf on Sunday was every bit as bad as bad as I've ever seen Soldier Field.

I haven't been a big fan of Gooddell but if he came out after this and said that all cold weather outdoor NFL stadiums were required to have FieldTurf that wouldn't bother me at all.  A league mandate might be the only way we ever see that change in Chicago.

I wonder if that was a Lovie thing to stay on grass/dirt/mud?  The Park District has said the would do whatever the Bears want.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 08, 2013, 11:56:57 am
I wonder if that was a Lovie thing to stay on grass/dirt/mud?

I can't see that coming from Lovie. Lovie's D is/was predicated on speed. If anything, the slow track of Soldier Field has worked AGAINST his defense for years.

The only way a sloppy field helps the Bears is in slowing down the opponent's pass rush...  and if Emery does his job fixing the OL this offseason even that should be a moot point by next year. 
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Post by: VJ on January 08, 2013, 01:55:06 pm
That Bevell guy seems like kind of an odd choice to spend time on.

Most Vikings fans despised him when he was the OC in Minny.  And he seems to get mixed reviews even for what he's done in Seattle.

Definitely doesn't strike me as a short-list prospect but maybe Emery's got other reasons to tap his brain.

I remember Bevell's tenure at MN too.  It was the combination of that kick ass offense of Chilly and TJax that held that offense back even with an all world RB until Favre came along.

I listened to a Seattle radio dude and he says that Tom Cable is getting a lot of props for the zone blocking scheme that Alex Gibbs was supposed to implement until he quit preseason a couple years ago.  Hell, they even turned Frank Omigawd (http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20120917/SPORTS/709179899) into a competent NFL left tackle against DeMarcus Ware.  Obviously having a pro bowl LT, a pro bowl C, and a rookie QB who soaks up the intricacies of the game like a sponge and doesn't let the pass rush faze him will do wonders for an offensive coordinator's resume. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 08, 2013, 06:36:44 pm
Surgery for RG3...may not be back next season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 09, 2013, 01:52:17 am
Not only should Shanahan look in the mirror about this but so should RG3.  He should've had the team doctor look at that knee in the locker room before lying about being able to play.  He obviously was in pain and his ego put him and Shanahan in a bad predicament going into next season.  Now look at the mess they both created.  The Skins are going to have to sign another QB since RG3 will be out for the entire 2013 season.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 09, 2013, 04:58:01 am
They already have a good backup. They just need to develop him more. And I am not talking about GROSSman.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 09, 2013, 05:33:51 am
Cousins beat the Browns.  Let's see how he does when teams are game planning for him, week in and week out.  Not saying he's Moses Moreno, but not ready to annoint him started quality either...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on January 09, 2013, 06:56:55 am
I'd say he's close to Christian Ponder ability
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on January 09, 2013, 07:33:12 am
re: RGIII injury, perhaps the injury he suffered earlier in the season against the Ravens was worse than reported and that any activity after that hit did more damage incrementally with hit(s) and slip(s) he suffered against the Seahawks doing the final damage?

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Post by: Keysbear on January 09, 2013, 08:30:17 am
After seeing this I still ask...Where are all the media guys and posters here that called Cutler Quitler?

 <crickets>
 
I have no doubt that RG3 as well as the coaching staff knew what was said about Cutler and didn't want that to happen to him.  Everyone watching saw that he was hurt. Shanahan blew this big time.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on January 09, 2013, 08:45:54 am
Winning is more important to some people
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 09, 2013, 09:03:23 am
This whole RGIII situation really highlights why so many people are adamantly opposed to trading multiple high draft picks for a single player (realizing of course this is exactly what we did to get Cutler).

If that one guy's career gets cut short, it can set your franchise back years.

RGIII is (was?) a uniquely gifted talent and a tremendous character guy but after what's gone down I have to think a lot of people are wondering if the price the Skins paid for him will end up being worth it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 09, 2013, 09:44:46 am
Cowboys fired Rob Ryan as their DC yesterday.

Seems to me like if Lovie was willing to get off the whole HC thing, he could walk right into the Jerrah's office and snag that DC spot today. Possibly even with an Assistant HC tag (and salary) thrown in and the chance to claim the HC job outright next year if the Cowboys underacheive again.

Although it would mean a major scheme change and probably some new personnel (Cowboys being a 3-4 team under Ryan).
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on January 09, 2013, 10:19:47 am
I'd take a nice vacation on that $5M salary if I was in his shoes
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 09, 2013, 10:30:50 am
Guess who needs a DC?  The Jets.  Wouldn't that be a hoot? I'd reup direct ticket just to watch that.
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Post by: BearHit on January 09, 2013, 10:36:54 am
That'd be better than Snooki and Jersey Shore
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 09, 2013, 11:20:27 am
Following a Super Bowl XXXIV party in Atlanta on January 31, 2000, a fight broke out between Lewis and his companions and another group of people, resulting in the stabbing deaths of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar. Lewis and two companions, Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting, were questioned by Atlanta police, and 11 days later the three men were indicted on murder and aggravated-assault charges. The white suit Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found. Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard alleged the blood-stained suit was dumped in a garbage bin outside a fast food restaurant.[36]
 
Lewis' attorneys, Don Samuel and Ed Garland, of the Atlanta law firm Garland, Samuel & Loeb, negotiated a plea agreement with Howard, where the murder charges against Lewis were dismissed in exchange for his testimony against Oakley and Sweeting, and his guilty plea to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice.[12] Lewis admitted he gave a misleading statement to police on the morning after the killings. Superior Court Judge Alice D. Bonner sentenced Lewis to 12 months' probation, the maximum sentence for a first-time offender,[37] and he was fined $250,000 by the NFL, which was believed to be the highest fine levied against an NFL player for an infraction not involving substance abuse.[38] Under the terms of the sentence, Lewis could not use drugs or alcohol during the duration of the probation.
 
Oakley and Sweeting were acquitted of the charges in June 2000.[39] No other suspects have ever been arrested for the crime.
 
The following year, Lewis was named Super Bowl XXXV MVP. However, the signature phrase "I'm going to Disney World!" was given instead to quarterback Trent Dilfer.
 
Lewis is a Christian, and his commitment to his faith was featured in a Sports Illustrated cover story in 2006. He has six children by four women.[9][49] His son, Ray Lewis III, has committed to the University of Miami for the 2013 season.[50]


Ray Lewis - big NFL hero or low class scum  - in all honesty a mix of both?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 09, 2013, 11:35:19 am
By the way he has raised all six of those children and is involved in their lives.

I think what he did was very wrong and he was lucky to get away with it.  However since that time he has been a good citizen and done tons of charity work.
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Post by: navigator on January 09, 2013, 11:42:15 am
it appears that it was a turning point in his life. Too bad many need a wake up call like that and others never turn it around.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 09, 2013, 11:53:48 am
It was a turning point for the murder victims as well.
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Post by: 46 on January 09, 2013, 12:15:21 pm
Yeah, dead is pretty final. I wonder how the other two involved are doing.  We as a society certainly hold our celebrities to different standards for sure.  And not just pro football players. Why is that? What makes them so special to be above mores and laws that the rest of us stiffs have to adhear too?  I mean hell, if your related to or are one of the Kenndeys you literally can get away with murder and ****. People so enamored with them didn't even bat an eye.  I don't understand. To quote from animal farm, " all animals are equal, some are more equal than others".
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on January 09, 2013, 01:53:40 pm
Yeah, dead is pretty final. I wonder how the other two involved are doing.  We as a society certainly hold our celebrities to different standards for sure.  And not just pro football players. Why is that? What makes them so special to be above mores and laws that the rest of us stiffs have to adhear too?  I mean hell, if your related to or are one of the Bush's you literally can get away with drunk driving and murder. People so enamored with them didn't even bat an eye.  I don't understand. To quote from animal farm, " all animals are equal, some are more equal than others".
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 09, 2013, 02:51:00 pm
You, as usual, miss the point, and you could use that example as well. Or was it Limbaugh? telling his wife while she was in the hospital with cancer he was leaving her.  Or you could use the then vice president of the United States of America getting away with shooting a person in the face.  Look at the last quote to aid you in understanding. you buy into the political game split time and again.  Its about they haves and have nots.  What you call them is up to you. As I have said before, they all know each other, travel in the same circles.  Who would you think Obama would allow to get close to him, you or Rush Limbaugh? Capeesh?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on January 09, 2013, 03:13:18 pm
It was newter gingrinch who dumped his cancer effected wife for an intern. But he only did it because he loved America so much.


So to your point about the rich. Where you in favor of taxing them at the Clinton-era tax rate? Or are they to wealthy to tax?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 09, 2013, 03:19:24 pm
It was newter gingrinch who dumped his cancer effected wife for an intern. But he only did it because he loved America so much.



I thought that was John Edwards
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: otto105 on January 09, 2013, 03:20:32 pm
John Edward's gal problem wasn't an intern, but thanks for playing.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 09, 2013, 03:22:23 pm
John Edward's gal problem wasn't an intern, but thanks for playing.

So the rules are you can cheat on your cancer stricken wife as long as it's not an intern. Ok...thanks for explaining. These liberal revisions of right and wrong are so confusing.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 09, 2013, 03:52:43 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/cowboys-making-d-coaches-interview-again-for-jobs/

If I didn't know better I'd swear Jerry Jones was rolling out the red carpet for Lovie to come in as the new DC.

If Jerrah's idea is to shake up the D then going from Rob Ryan to Lovie Smith would be about as drastic a shift as you could make. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 09, 2013, 07:11:49 pm
I[m in favor of taxing them at the Roosevelt era rate.  But that's all people at a certain to be determined gross income rate. Be advised, wealthy people for the most part are very,very good at keeping it. Its easier to pony up a billion if you have several, as opposed to a couple of thou when you have bearly enough to get by. that said, alot of people simply move elsewhere and turn in the passport.  They can afford to. their rich. oh, and by gross income I mean funds from trusts etc.  ALL income.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 12, 2013, 10:28:02 am
Brandon Marshall and Peanut first team all pros!  Marshall likely cost Calvin johnson the unanimous selection.

Tim Jennings and Peppers made 2nd team.  For all of the discounting on Peppers on this board, I think that would be a surprise for many.  Peppers is rated the 3rd or 4th best end in the NFL.  Nice problem to have.

We also had 2 of the top 4 corners, that is hard to beat, except if your offensive line blows...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 12, 2013, 11:16:20 am
 Congrats to the Bears who made All Pro. Especially Marshall. The skepticism and circumstances he had to overcome to have the season he had is almost unbelievable.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on January 12, 2013, 07:41:58 pm
Cory Graham with huge game today for Baltimore!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: stelz on January 12, 2013, 07:46:17 pm
I hope Balt wins in case Emery wants  to hire McCoy...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: stelz on January 12, 2013, 07:47:20 pm
Yes!!!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on January 12, 2013, 07:50:40 pm
Heh, Ray Lewis just said that Corey Graham is one of the greatest CBs of all time...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 12, 2013, 07:59:09 pm
Hmmmm.... lessee now, last year Denver, at home, went in to ot and won a playoff game.  This year, of course Tebow isn't good enough, not a real qb, they ditch him, spend the GNP of some countries to get Manning, they are at home, in ot and.....lose a playoff game. Manning running, threw an int.  oops.  Well Mr Elway, just desserts young man, just desserts. btw the Bears are going to interview your for the hc position. Have fun paying the aging qb with a bad neck for the next few years. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 12, 2013, 11:58:56 pm

 Shiit happens ...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 13, 2013, 12:30:49 am
Corey Graham had two huge plays in that game.  Congrats to him.  Why did the Bears let him go again?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 13, 2013, 04:52:39 am
They made the decision to go with Jennings and Moore, over Graham.  Based on the total body of work at the time it was hard to go against that thought, but Graham really never got a full opportunity versus Moore in my opinion - which is complete hindsight.

We have 2 all pro corners, hard to "corner" the market on all of them...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on January 13, 2013, 11:08:31 am
Corey Graham had two huge plays in that game.  Congrats to him.  Why did the Bears let him go again?

Seemed as if he visited Lovie's dog house on occasions..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 13, 2013, 12:06:18 pm
Lovie's inability to evaluate and utilize talent on the Bears was pretty apparent.  As was his blatant favoritism of certain players at the expense of others.

That is now starting to be apparent and will be even more so as Emery continues re-shaping the roster based on actual performance and talent, not the coach's personal preferences.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 13, 2013, 07:55:08 pm
So much for my choice to win it all, the Broncos....that game had bad calls all over it though, so hard to tell who actually won the thing. Refs were terrible!!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 13, 2013, 08:00:04 pm
Pats really took it to the paper tiger Texans, wow. Surprised the Falcons won. But it's gonna be a Pats/49ers bowl.....I don't see the Falcons in it. Ravens have a shot, though....I'd rank em Pats,9ers,Ravens,Birds with the first three being much closer than the 4th.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 13, 2013, 08:59:22 pm
I think the Patriots are favored over the Ravens but I give the Ravens a decent shot.

Niners will probably destroy the Falcons.  It just feels like their year.  When your starting QB goes down and the back up is way better, imo it is just your year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 13, 2013, 11:30:47 pm
I think the Patriots are favored over the Ravens but I give the Ravens a decent shot.

Niners will probably destroy the Falcons.  It just feels like their year.  When your starting QB goes down and the back up is way better, imo it is just your year.

 The QB rushes for 181 yards ??? Whens the last time you saw that happen ?

 The pure pocket passer may be a thing of the past ... give this a year or two to playout.

 The read option coming from college has made its way into the NFL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 13, 2013, 11:39:42 pm
Lovie's inability to evaluate and utilize talent on the Bears was pretty apparent.  As was his blatant favoritism of certain players at the expense of others.


His inability to evaluate and utilize talent must be the reason we have 5 pro bowlers this year.

As a matter of fact the same in 2011.  With COREY GRAHAM making it.

The year before we had 4.

Doesn't sound like he has a problem with talent evaluation and how to utilize it to me.   He definitely had a problem evaluating OC's with Martz and Tice as proof.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 13, 2013, 11:43:21 pm

That is now starting to be apparent and will be even more so as Emery continues re-shaping the roster based on actual performance and talent, not the coach's personal preferences.

I hope you're not basing this statement on his last draft.  Emery hasn't proved squat yet.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 13, 2013, 11:52:47 pm
I hope you're not basing this statement on his last draft.  Emery hasn't proved squat yet.

 In fact one of the least productive drafts ever.

 Outside of Jefferys ... the rest of the draft was a bust.

 This is where Emery now a second year GM without any backtalk ...

 better show that he knows what he is doing in the next draft.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 14, 2013, 12:11:05 am
Amen.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 14, 2013, 01:36:52 am
Emery has to make a statement this next draft. He has to hit more than miss because it was the other way round last chance. That was so far a terrible draft....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on January 14, 2013, 08:00:43 am
Can't judge a draft class the first year.

Some fans would have cut Walter Payton when he got 600 yards his rookie year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 14, 2013, 08:37:17 am
I think McClellan, Jeffreys and ERod will be solid contributors.
The jury is till out on Hardin but I can give him the benefit of the doubt.

As far as Lovie, his problem was definitely bringing in coaches on the offensive side of the ball as well as the man in charge of bringing in offensive talent. His defense was also suspect against better QBs.

Peppers and Marshall are both bought talent, not developed talent.
Tillman has played at a high level his whole career(and improved), I seem to recall him shutting down Moss his rookie year.
Jennings and Melton have both improved since they got here.
I expect Jennings and Tillman both made the pro bowl because our D Line put a good amount of pressure on opposing Offenses.
Conte and Wright have both gotten better.
Like I said, his defenses and defensive talent was ok it was his offense that was offensive. I'm unsure why he couldn't bring in better offensive coaches, maybe it has more to do with they guy bringing in the talent than Lovie but after our current playoff drought and 2 consecutive late season collapses something had to change.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 14, 2013, 08:40:10 am
I read somewhere that Urlacher, Briggs and Tillman were all Phil Emery recommendations while he was with the Bears the first time (as a scout).

So even if he didn't directly draft them, he was a key to getting them on our roster. 

I would be interesting in knowing what other players he might have also recommended that our GM chose to ignore.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 14, 2013, 10:16:23 am
They made the decision to go with Jennings and Moore, over Graham.  Based on the total body of work at the time it was hard to go against that thought, but Graham really never got a full opportunity versus Moore in my opinion - which is complete hindsight.

We have 2 all pro corners, hard to "corner" the market on all of them...


Graham was looking for nickel back job and the Ravens gave it to him.  What's really odd is the guy that beat out Graham (DJ Moore) ended up falling out of favor this year as Hayden took his job.

And now I'm not sure who is coming back as I think DJ Moore is done with his rookie deal and Hayden might have only signed for 1 year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 14, 2013, 10:23:00 am
Also don't forget we had Zack Bowman (the first time) while Corey Graham was here and he would have been over Graham on the CB depth chart as well.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 14, 2013, 01:24:28 pm
Urlacher was a easy pick. Everyone knew we needed a MLB and there the guy is.....but at the time, it was no sure thing. I remember thinking they better get him or there's going to be alot of ticked Bears fans, lol....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 14, 2013, 01:28:34 pm
IIRC the year Urlacher came out, a lot of people had the Bears taking either Thomas Jones or Plaxico Burress.

Jones got drafted ahead of us, and I think Plax did too.  So we kind of fell into the Urlacher pick.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 14, 2013, 01:30:49 pm
Would be fun to go back to whatever year that was and do a 'play by play' from the forum from then, reposting what was said. I'm sure that is probably lost to history though sadly.....we need a board archive, long lasting one.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 14, 2013, 02:07:46 pm

Bears were kind of set with Minter at MLB so they projected Urlacher at SLB where he struggled and lost out to Rosevelt Colvin.  But Urlacher still got some playing time but in a supporting role and was all over the place.

Then Minter got injured...

(BTW I wanted Plaxico Burress but quite OK with Urlacher...was not OK with Mike Brown in the 2nd:

1   9   Urlacher, Brian   LB   New Mexico   
2   39   Brown, Mike   DB   Nebraska   
3   69   White, Dez   WR   Georgia Tech   
3   87   Lyman, Dustin   TE   Wake Forest   (F/Was)
4   125   Austin, Reggie   DB   Wake Forest   (F/StL)
6   170   Murphy, Frank   RB   Kansas St.   (F/SF)
6   174   Edinger, Paul   K   Michigan St.   
7   223   Cotton, James   DE   Ohio St.   (F/Cle)
7   254   Green, Mike   DB   Northwestern St.   (F/Cle)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 14, 2013, 02:45:23 pm
I remember hating the Mike Brown pick too.

As it turns out it was pretty inspired.  Still say that guy would be going to Canton if his body had held up.

I actually consider his story even more tragic than Tommie Harris because Mike Brown in his prime was such an incredible playmaker AND a real leader on that D.  Whereas Tommie was also a great player before his injury, but I never saw the leadership so much.  I would say we arguably have replaced Tommie with Melton, but we've never come close to replacing Mike Brown in the secondary.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 14, 2013, 08:21:05 pm
Mike Brown and Tony Parish, that was a duo.
Urlacher, Colvin, Holdman
big Ted up front, man if we could get a big Ted now!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 14, 2013, 08:29:33 pm
Was pretty ticked when they got rid of Washington and Traylor in the middle. Our D went downhill after that. Pretty stupid....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 14, 2013, 09:33:59 pm
I remember the Trayler fumble recovery he ran back like 60 yards. Man what a gas seeing that guy run. And a convoy too. I remember being kinda ticked he didnt score. Bet the ground shook like an earth quake.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 15, 2013, 07:29:44 am
you mean this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73dW4740ILE
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 15, 2013, 08:27:59 am
Now that Lovie's gone I wouldn't mind seeing us get a Ted Washington type DT back on the roster and pair him with Melton in the middle.

Lovie hated space-eating DTs but now that he's gone it's a clean slate.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 15, 2013, 08:50:29 am
Heheh. That was the "colors" draft- Brown, White and Green :D

Offhand, I seem to remember when the Bears had multiple color last names a few times (and multiple Smiths as well).....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 15, 2013, 08:55:44 am
9 picks we had in that draft. 

When was the last time we even had close to that many picks since then?

Only two of them really panned out (three if you count Edinger), but those two were spectacular.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2013, 09:24:50 am
you mean this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73dW4740ILE

Yup thats the one.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 15, 2013, 09:42:19 am
just saw on NFLN that McCoy is going to SD, wrapping up the deal now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2013, 09:49:12 am
I think a lot of the McCoy decision goes back to those meetings McCoy had with Cutler before Cutler was traded to the Bears. My guess is that McCoy wanted no part of dealing with Cutler. That clearly points to the hiring of a coach that can bring out the best in Cutler. I doubt Bevel has that ability. So that boils down to Arians and Trestman.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 15, 2013, 09:55:30 am
Look at 1:08 in the video when he was looking to pass the ball off...  No one would take it they wanted to block for him to score.

Classic.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2013, 10:06:42 am
Amen. One of my favorite Bear moments
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 15, 2013, 11:56:00 am
I think a lot of the McCoy decision goes back to those meetings McCoy had with Cutler before Cutler was traded to the Bears. My guess is that McCoy wanted no part of dealing with Cutler. That clearly points to the hiring of a coach that can bring out the best in Cutler. I doubt Bevel has that ability. So that boils down to Arians and Trestman.

I think he'll find that dealing with Phillip Rivers is no picnic either.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 15, 2013, 11:59:21 am
Keys, I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2013, 12:48:27 pm
Keys could be right
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 15, 2013, 02:52:31 pm
Amen. One of my favorite Bear moments

How about Fridge scoring as a FB against GB?  That teally hurt.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2013, 02:59:53 pm
I remember the 85 TD in the Superbowl
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 16, 2013, 12:49:02 am
How about Fridge scoring as a FB against GB?  That teally hurt.

 Here ya go Packy !

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLAS1Ih0EZk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLAS1Ih0EZk)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 16, 2013, 12:56:36 am

 MEANWHILE ... Wow was Frige great in 1985 or what?

 back to reality in the 2013 NFL ...

 If we go back to Michael Vick

Cam Newton

Robert Griffin

And yes I will go there ... Tim Tebow

Russell Wilson

Colin Kapernick

Somthing is going on here and its getting bigger everyday.

Vick was a ruptured duck because of the years in and out of the League ...

and Shanahan pushed RG III beyond the breaking point.

BUT THE REST is who to pay attention to and whats coming up in the draft with this style.

We are not going to encounter anything like this in the NFC NORF ...

but comes the playoffs ... we'll need players on DEFENSE in the later draft rounds that can cop to this fact.

We will need SPEED that can contain the likes of Wilson and Kapernick ... whom shredded us.

Our draft order has to change to counter the evolving NFL.

Two for OL and four for LB/Secondary? Maybe squezze in a TE ?

Whaddaya think ? This is pure draft without F.A.'s.

 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2013, 01:07:47 am
The 9ers laid out the blue print for the Bears on how to decimate the Pakers. We'd do well to learn from it and incorporate it into our play calling, whoever it'll be doing that....would be nice to find out soon here....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 16, 2013, 01:22:16 am
The 9ers laid out the blue print for the Bears on how to decimate the Pakers. We'd do well to learn from it and incorporate it into our play calling, whoever it'll be doing that....would be nice to find out soon here....

 At the same time GB layed out the blueprint on how to lose to the 49er's.

 And we will be up next.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 16, 2013, 01:46:10 am
A new stadium for the St. Louis Rams?


http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/a-new-stadium-for-the-st-louis-rams/article_ec551966-d335-5d45-bd7a-c22e3f08ee75.html
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 16, 2013, 02:23:26 am
A new stadium for the St. Louis Rams?


http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/a-new-stadium-for-the-st-louis-rams/article_ec551966-d335-5d45-bd7a-c22e3f08ee75.html

 St. Louis is one heavy BASEBALL city ...

 I wonder if they even know they have an NFL team since they last won a SB?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 16, 2013, 10:10:27 am
Here's a name long time Bears fans will recognize:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/report-andy-heck-will-be-chiefs-offensive-line-coach/

Didn't even know he was in the coaching biz till now.  One of the better LTs the Bears have had in a stretch of many years that has not seen a lot of them.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 16, 2013, 04:10:39 pm
The 9ers laid out the blue print for the Bears on how to decimate the Pakers. We'd do well to learn from it and incorporate it into our play calling, whoever it'll be doing that....would be nice to find out soon here....

Time to worry more about the 49ers?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 16, 2013, 04:14:14 pm
I think the 49ers will kick both the Bears and the Packers azzes next year should they wind up playing either of us.

The Packers don't have the D to beat them, and the Bears don't have the O.  (Yes I realize the entire offensive coaching staff and system are changing in Chicago but until I see a 30+ point a game offense actually on the field the Bears are still behind the curve.)

I think the Niners are gonna send the Falcons down in flames on Sunday.  What I saw of Atlanta's pass defense and tackling the 2nd half last Sunday would scare me silly if I were a Falcons fan.  The Niners have essentially become the NFC version of the Patriots and they're young enough that they could be in that position for a long time...  or at least as long as Kapernick is healthy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 16, 2013, 07:29:25 pm
Teams will learn how to better cope with the 49ers system but I agree that they will be a tough opponent for the future.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 16, 2013, 11:26:18 pm
The 49ers are definately tough. They've got a excellent offensive line. Seems there are some teams (Bears) that think they can be a Championship team without a top quality offensive line. 9ers are proving that wrong...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 17, 2013, 03:06:43 am
A  big key to stopping the system used by the 49ers depends upon very disciplined play by superior LBs.  With Bishop and Nick Perry on IR and Hawk  playing like a dork that group failed completely. Worthy being out with an injury didn't help.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 17, 2013, 04:34:34 am
Only the Packers will face the 49ers next season.  We would get to face them in the playoffs!   ;)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Fearless Freep on January 17, 2013, 07:21:08 am
A  big key to stopping the system used by the 49ers depends upon very disciplined play by superior LBs.  With Bishop and Nick Perry on IR and Hawk  playing like a dork that group failed completely. Worthy being out with an injury didn't help.

I agree Packrat. What I don't understand is how they were able to readjust to disciplined LB play from week 17 to wildcard game against the Vikings and yet not see the need for similar discipline against Kaepernick. Did they just play cards during film study?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on January 17, 2013, 11:41:48 am
Norv Turner has taken the OC job with the Browns.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 17, 2013, 03:08:00 pm
I agree Packrat. What I don't understand is how they were able to readjust to disciplined LB play from week 17 to wildcard game against the Vikings and yet not see the need for similar discipline against Kaepernick. Did they just play cards during film study?

I wolnder the same.  It seems McCarthy blames the players more tha Capers.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 18, 2013, 03:00:17 am
Norv Turner has taken the OC job with the Browns.

Worst kept secret in the NFL this year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 18, 2013, 12:55:59 pm
Ray Horton Reportedly Fired as Cardinals DC After Heated Exchange

Ethan Grant
January 17, 2013


When the head coaching carousel began turning at the end of the 2012 NFL season, Arizona Cardinals defensive coordinator Ray Horton was one of the most popular names on the market.

It appears he won't be returning to his 2012 position, but not because he's moving on to greener pastures.

The Cardinals hired Bruce Arians on Thursday evening, ending their head coaching search without promoting from within. Horton was considered one of the strongest candidates remaining for the position, and even figured to have the edge based on the remaining field.

According Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports, Horton is out as defensive coordinator and Todd Bowles will take over in his place.

Horton wasn't happy with the Arians hire, and made sure new general manager Steve Keim knew about it before he took his box of belongings to his car. Mike Jurecki had the report on Twitter:

    For those asking abt Ray Horton I was told he had a heated exchange w/ Steve Keim, thought he was the guy when McCoy took the Chargers job.
    — Mike Jurecki (@mikejurecki) January 18, 2013

USA Today's Mike Garafolo certainly doesn't blame Horton, per his response to Jurecki's tweet:

    Yup, he's pissed. Can't blame him. RT @mikejurecki: Ray Horton had a heated exchange w/ Steve Keim, thought he was the guy when McCoy to SD.
    — Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) January 18, 2013

McCoy is Mike McCoy, the new San Diego Chargers head coach. He was one of the finalists in Arizona, and when he accepted the Chargers' head coaching position, Horton apparently believed the road had been paved for his first-ever NFL head coaching job.

Keim, the new general manager of the team that was hired on Jan. 8, apparently had other plans. He chose to go with an outside hire, despite the fact that Horton led the Cardinals defense to a top-12 finish—including finishing fifth in the NFL in passing yards allowed per game.

Expect NFL teams to scoop Horton up very quickly. He was highly regarded as a head coaching candidate during this league-wide search, and his defensive schemes proved worthy for a team that exceeded expectations on defense.

For now, Horton is left fuming in the wake of Arians' hire, and his unexpected exit.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 18, 2013, 12:57:22 pm
Horton would be a solid consideration for Bears DC except that it would mean switching to a 3-4.  Which we are absolutely not in a position to do this year personnel wise.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 18, 2013, 12:59:37 pm

No African-American NFL head coaches hired in 2013


Gregg Rosenthal/Around The League Editor
Jan. 18, 2013 at 01:18 p.m.


The NFL head-coaching carousel stopped spinning Thursday night with Bruce Arians' hiring by the Arizona Cardinals. The selection is great news for an NFL lifer like Arians, but it might bring home a troubling statistic for African-American coaches around the league.

None of the eight new NFL head coaches is African-American. The number of African-American head coaches in the NFL will drop from five to three in 2012 after Lovie Smith and Romeo Crennel lost their jobs.

The trend is similar in NFL front offices. Five general manager positions have been filled, all by white men. The New York Jets' GM job, which still is open, is expected to go to John Idzik. It's unclear who will become the Cleveland Browns' next GM.

USA Today's Mike Garafolo said he "took the pulse" of minority head coaches and executives Thursday night. "Furious" was a good way to describe their reaction, he wrote on Twitter.

Discussions of race always are heated in this country, but there's no denying football is a predominantly African-American sport that has taken a step back in hiring minorities as head coaches and in the front office. Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports recently wrote two excellent pieces on the issue, pointing out that Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator Jim Caldwell is the only African-American offensive play-caller in the league. (And Caldwell just got that position in December.)

"This is a legitimate topic of discussion among the rank-and-file and, especially, among African-American coaches and front-office executives who are frustrated with the current state of affairs," Silver wrote.

This is a dilemma without easy solutions, but it's a topic not far from the minds of NFL players, coaches and others around the league. A common response by fans, that we live in a post-racial world, is laughable. The NFL's Rooney Rule, to its credit, recognizes
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 18, 2013, 01:00:31 pm
Grab that guy. Now!  If the players can't change, he can.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 18, 2013, 01:04:04 pm
I've also seen a scenario where the Packers bounce Dom Capers and replace him with Horton.

That would be very bad for the Bears.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 18, 2013, 02:18:52 pm
No African-American NFL head coaches hired in 2013

Bummer....

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 18, 2013, 04:10:57 pm
There should have been 8 of them hired including poor Lovie. ::)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 18, 2013, 04:13:05 pm
Horton got picked up by the Browns, less than 12 hours after splitting Arizona. 

Not sold on the Browns' new HC Chudzinski and they (still) have no QB...  but between Norv Turner at OC and Horton at DC they've got solid veteran guys at those spots.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 18, 2013, 04:14:48 pm
I figured Horton was going to be out in Zona, but as pointed out correctly, he is a 3-4 guy and we cant afford to jump into the 3-4. Now were he adaptable to the 4-3 then I would think he would be a good hire. Same with Rex Ryan from Dallas
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Post by: dallasbear on January 18, 2013, 04:15:07 pm
I've also seen a scenario where the Packers bounce Dom Capers and replace him with Horton.

That would be very bad for the Bears.


Capers has been handing our azz on a platter since he arrived up there...
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 18, 2013, 04:18:41 pm
Well if memory serves me correctly the Pack ran the 4-3 under Capers till the Pack drafted a NT (raji) and a couple of OLBs.  Maybe he can run a 4-3 for a year tll we are able to retool
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 18, 2013, 04:22:03 pm
The Horton situation in Arizona is a lot like the Toub deal in Chicago.

Coordinators who interviewed for the HC position of their current team, and lost out.  There's really no way to get around the awkwardness of that situation other than for the coordinator to move on.

With Horton's case in particular, I think him being a defensive guy really worked against him.  Anymore, with offenses ruling the league, HC candidates with a background in offense have a tremendous advantage.  Especially with a team like the Cardinals whose offense this year was just flat-out horrific.

The obvious exception of course being up in Seattle where their DC Bradley got the HC job in Jacksonville while the OC Bevell isn't going anywhere.
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Post by: VJ on January 18, 2013, 06:26:39 pm
Trib says that the Jags may replace Tucker with Babich.  BWAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 18, 2013, 07:09:27 pm
Tuckers D in Jax this year was pretty bad. I wouldnt laugh just yet. Babich may be an improvement.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 18, 2013, 07:22:53 pm
Well if memory serves me correctly the Pack ran the 4-3 under Capers till the Pack drafted a NT (raji) and a couple of OLBs.  Maybe he can run a 4-3 for a year tll we are able to retool

Capers probably could run a 4-3 satisfactorily but used 3-4 from day one in GB.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on January 18, 2013, 07:55:26 pm
Tuckers D in Jax this year was pretty bad. I wouldnt laugh just yet. Babich may be an improvement.

Um yeah, I just am not seeing that.  LOL
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 18, 2013, 08:00:25 pm
Capers has always been a 3-4 guy. In fact I remember being impressed his 1st year in GB at how well they transitioned from a 4-3 without really having the players for it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 18, 2013, 11:30:54 pm
Facts are the best man for the job should get the job. Being hired simply because of your color is racism....pure and simple. Besides, Bears new DC is a black guy....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 18, 2013, 11:35:35 pm

 Time to reset the reset button.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 19, 2013, 02:22:18 am
No African-American NFL head coaches hired in 2013

Bummer....



Glad you feel that way.  So does the NFL.....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8858003/nfl-looking-adjust-rooney-rule-ensure-diversity
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 19, 2013, 03:03:36 am

 
Glad you feel that way.  So does the NFL.....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8858003/nfl-looking-adjust-rooney-rule-ensure-diversity

 Whats interesting is that NOBODY is forced into the NFL to be made a millionaire.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 19, 2013, 08:37:35 am
Seems to me that this year the lack of black HC's hired is more a case of teams wanting offensive minded coaches. I can think of a number of black defensive coordinators but not really any black offensive coordinators. If you are a GM that wants an offensive minded HC you are going to look at OC's. If there are not many blacks in that pool then you are unlikely to hire a black HC. If you look at all the retread coaches there are few offensive minded coaches in that pool either. Lovie, Herm Edwards, Rahim Morris are all defensive guys.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 19, 2013, 08:55:09 am
Romeo Crennel is too.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on January 19, 2013, 08:08:27 pm
Bob Boobich was a head coach?  Really?

Two days after being hired as head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, Gus Bradley has filled both coordinator positions on his coaching staff.
 
The Jaguars announced Saturday they have hired former Chicago Bears linebacker coach Bob Babich as defensive coordinator and University of Miami offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch as offensive coordinator.
 
Both Babich and Fisch have prior experience coaching alongside Bradley. Babich was the head coach at North Dakota State from 1997-2002 while Bradley served as a defensive assistant. Fisch served as quarterbacks coach of the Seattle Seahawks in 2010 with Bradley acting as defensive coordinator.
 
Babich spent the last nine years in Chicago as a member of Lovie Smith’s coaching staff. Fisch left Seattle after the 2010 season to take the offensive coordinator position at Miami
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 20, 2013, 07:40:40 am
I think Jim Caldwell is now the offensive coordinator for Baltimore, but that may be wrong.  Whoever is coordinating the Ravens is doing a good job, what a gutsy call for John Harbaugh to make that late in the season to can Cameron.

Caldwell has head coaching and offensive experience, I wonder why he wasn't even discussed.  I didn't hear about him being sniffed...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 20, 2013, 08:21:10 am
Pep Hamilton coached for us a few years ago and is an offensive mind.  You might see him as a head coach in the next 5 years...

http://blogs.colts.com/2013/01/19/indianapolis-colts-hire-offensive-coordinator-pep-hamilton/


Funny, when I looked at the website, they still had Arians listed as OC under the coaches link.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 20, 2013, 08:25:05 am
Interesting, the title of DeCalmillis is assistant head coach and special teams coordinator.  That title didn't go to Kromer or Tucker.  didn't Kromer hold the keys to the Saints for the first 8 games while Vitt served his suspension? 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on January 20, 2013, 09:21:58 am
Pep hamilton was QB coach when we had Grossman
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 20, 2013, 09:23:35 am
Pep was worthless when he was with the Bears.  Maybe he's gotten better.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 20, 2013, 01:33:52 pm
Looking forward to this NFC Championship game.

Should be some good football.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 20, 2013, 03:14:17 pm
That holding called was the exact same as the glaring one uncalled on the Packers. But of course Otts wouldn't see it that way...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 20, 2013, 03:33:08 pm
Guys hold Peppers like that every game too.  Multiple times.  Almost always uncalled, as well.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 20, 2013, 04:09:19 pm
Akers misses a 38-yd FG that would have tied it for the Niners.

Yikes.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 20, 2013, 06:28:32 pm
Amazing what they let these teams get away with...late hit much? That sucker hit him out of bounds....but it's the Pats we're talking about.... And that hit by Ray Lewis that was called, C'mon! This is freaking football.....but again, it's the Pats....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 20, 2013, 07:03:53 pm
Ok, so let me get this right....it's a penalty if they so much as look at Brady, but it's OK for him to kick a defender while he's on his back.....ok, got it....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 20, 2013, 07:40:22 pm
What a load of CRAP!! Man, that guy got levelled, he lead with his helmet even knocking the guys helmet back...and no flag?!?? Even Flacco was pointing it out. Glad they got the TD but man that was some bs right there.....should have been a penalty....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 20, 2013, 09:07:06 pm
Wow... Both road teams won.

Un freakin believable.

Some good coaching genes in that Harbaugh clan.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 20, 2013, 09:33:44 pm
Sounds like Matty Ice may be starting his offseason by healing a busted collarbone.

Blowing big leads in consecutive games, the Falcons deserved to lose but I felt really bad for Gonzales. 2nd leading pass catcher of all time and no ring to show for it. That's just wrong.

But he got a lot closer to a chance than if he had stayed in KC.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 20, 2013, 09:35:02 pm
Ryan sucks in big games...when you need him in key situations, he fumbles and bumbles the ball away.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 20, 2013, 09:39:56 pm
I was surprised how Kapernick hardly ran with the ball at all.

Kinda reminded me of the gameplan they used in stomping us. Right down to sending Vernon Davis all over the field.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 22, 2013, 09:39:02 pm

 Are THE CHICAGO BEARS in the SUPERBOWL ? Just checking.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2013, 08:15:35 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/22/cowboys-jay-ratliff-arrested-for-drunk-driving/

Unbelievable... given what happened with that other Cowboys DT not too many weeks ago this is as stupid as it gets.

Sounds like this clown is in line for some "tough love" from his new DL Coach Marinelli. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 23, 2013, 09:37:46 am
The draft cannot get here fast enough- the end of the NFL season always KILLS me.....

On the Rooney Rule expanding.... It just extends the Kabuki theater when hiring coaches...... Didn't know the NFL had a "diversity coordinator" until this silliness was considering being extended. Wonder how much $$ he's leeaching off the league ?

Just read that the Bears signed the ex-KC Strength and Conditioning coach to repace Rusty. Still wierd the way Jones was let go over the weekend (and a dead part of the news cycle).....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2013, 09:50:55 am
The article I read said Rusty was retiring...  not that he was let go.

But with everything else changing in the organization I don't consider it a real surprise regardless of how it happened.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 23, 2013, 10:30:44 am

Nothing has changed in Dallas since Jerry Jones has taken over - players can do just about anything as long as they are productive on the field.   **** parties, team **** house, several DWIs resulting in deaths, fatal heroin overdoses, drug dealers, etc etc etc.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 23, 2013, 10:32:14 am

**** = c-o-c-a-i-n-e

**** = w-h-o-r-e
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 23, 2013, 10:43:59 am
Yeah I think Marinelli's in for some culture shock down there in Big D.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2013, 10:48:54 am
culture shock? haha. I think he will regret not being in Chicago
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 23, 2013, 10:49:11 am
Cowboys don't have any 4-3 under tackles on their roster.    I am concerned that they will use Marinelli to target FA Henry Melton.  Melton played for Texas and is from the Dallas area (Grapevine) also.

Tag...Melton is it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 24, 2013, 06:51:28 pm

 Losing Marinelli -Toub - Bates ...  :-[
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 25, 2013, 12:47:02 am
Source: Rams hire Rob Ryan

ESPN.com news services
January 24, 2013, 8:53 PM ET


The St. Louis Rams have hired Rob Ryan as their defensive coordinator, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

The boisterous Ryan was fired as defensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboys on Jan. 8, soon after owner Jerry Jones said he would make major changes to a team that finished 8-8 and missed the playoffs.

After his ouster in Dallas, Ryan said, "I'll be out of work for like five minutes."

Jones alluded to two losses -- at Seattle in Week 2 and to Chicago at Cowboys Stadium in Week 4, when Dallas' defense was almost completely healthy -- as part of the reasons he let Ryan go.

Under Ryan, the Cowboys' defense was 19th overall, 17th against the run and 21st against the pass.

Last season, the Rams' defense was coached by a host of assistants after proposed defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was suspended by the NFL for his role in the New Orleans Saints' bounty scandal. The team announced earlier this month that Williams, who has yet to be reinstated by the NFL, won't be with the team next season.

Rams coach Jeff Fisher has a relationship with the Ryan family. He played under Rob's father, Buddy, in Chicago and also was a defensive coordinator under him in Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 25, 2013, 09:48:58 am
Wow...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/25/some-officials-cry-foul-over-jerome-boger-refereeing-the-super-bowl/

Are you freakin kidding me?  This guy is the worst ref in the game.  He had me wishing for the replacement refs to come back.

And he's got the SuperBowl?

So glad the Bears aren't in it this year. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 25, 2013, 07:34:46 pm

Green Bay Packers

Packers face tough decisions, thanks to salary cap

Green Bay - It doesn't matter if you're the best team in the NFL or the worst, there is going to be turnover on your roster.

For some teams like the Green Bay Packers, it's a function of building almost exclusively through the draft and favoring younger players over older ones. Some of the players who won't be back next season might not even know it until late April, when the Packers replace them with draft picks.

Still, every off-season tough decisions are made based on salary, and the Packers are not exempt this year from having to make them.

Through prudent salary cap management over the past decade they have never had to completely strip down a team and start over due to bloated veteran contracts.

This year, through a mechanism negotiated in the last labor agreement and available to all NFL teams, the Packers have been able to carry over to 2013 all $7,010,832 of cap room they had leftover in 2012.

If they weren't allowed to carry over that money, they would be tight to a 2013 salary cap that is expected to be about the same as last season's $120.6 million limit. They have roughly $120.7 million dedicated to the highest-paid 51 players - the number the NFL counts in the off-season - through existing contracts.

So, with the '12 cap room carried over, the Packers have about $7 million of cap space a month and a half before the start of the new NFL year. Some of that will be shaved off through restricted free agent tenders and contract escalators before free agency starts, but they will still be comfortably under the cap.

Following their 45-31 divisional playoff loss to the San Francisco 49ers, Packers general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy have the task of determining how they can get better.

At the same time, they have to think about addressing the contracts of future free agents like linebacker Clay Matthews (2014), nose tackle B.J. Raji (2014), quarterback Aaron Rodgers (2015), cornerback Sam Shields (2013, restricted) and tight end Jermichael Finley (2014).

In order to lock up even two or three of those players it's going to take a lot of cash and salary cap space.

After making $42.7 million in profit last fiscal year, the cash shouldn't be a problem. President Mark Murphy made it clear last summer that the Packers were able to compete with other franchises when it comes to large signing bonuses, a common tool for keeping salary cap numbers manageable.

"There's no question there's flexibility," Murphy said of having so much cash around, "but with the salary cap there's limits on what you can do. But I look at it as we can remain competitive."

The cap factor is something different altogether and it is something that Thompson and vice president of player finance Russ Ball are going to have to manage to get some of those players signed. Anticipating a need for cap room is a big reason the Packers did not offer receiver Greg Jennings a contract extension and are prepared to let him leave in free agency.

In all likelihood, it's going to require some unsavory trims to get the desired amount of salary cap room to sign players as valuable as Rodgers, Matthews and the others. The Packers could wait out the future free agents and try to sign them after this season, but they would only have a two-month window to get something done before all but Rodgers become free agents.

So, where can the Packers get the money?

Here are some potential sources through contract terminations with the cap money the Packers would gain:

Safety Charles Woodson, $10 million

Tight end Finley, $8.25 million

Linebacker A.J. Hawk, $2.25 million

Center Jeff Saturday, $2.2 million

Fullback John Kuhn, $2.6 million

It's a given that Saturday won't be back, and if the Packers really want the cap flexibility to offer contract extensions they're going to have to either release Woodson or get him to take a major pay cut. Assuming the Packers have $5 million of cap room (after the restricted tenders are offered), they could increase that total to $17.2 million by cutting ties with Woodson and Saturday.

Given they have no other fullbacks on the roster, releasing Kuhn would be a risk, especially when his salary isn't extraordinary. But it's not out of the question.

Finley and Hawk are other subjects all together.

McCarthy sure made it seem like Finley would be back when he talked to reporters in his season-ending news conference.

"I feel very good about the way he finished the year," McCarthy said. "He did some good things (against the 49ers). There was a change in that young man. But we obviously have to look at the first half (of the season), too, and make sure that's part of the evaluation because we're all judged on 17 games."

Shearing off $8.25 million certainly has to be attractive to Thompson and Ball, but with Jennings leaving they can't afford to just let receiving targets walk.

Letting Hawk go would be a **** given Desmond Bishop is coming off a torn hamstring, D.J. Smith tore up his knee during the season, Brad Jones is a free agent and Terrell Manning couldn't get on the field. On the other hand, Thompson may try to find in the draft a bigger, more physical linebacker to play inside and could chance that Bishop, Smith and Manning are a strong enough core.

Because Hawk has two years left on his contract with $3.2 million of prorated signing bonus to absorb, the net gain is only $2.25 million. If the Packers waited until after June 1 to cut him, they could push the $3.2 million to 2014 and get the full relief of Hawk's $5.45 million salary.

The roster doesn't have many other players who are candidates for cap relief. Most of the highest-paid players are ones Thompson recently signed to extensions.

There also aren't a lot of players he needs to re-sign as unrestricted free agents. The group includes receiver Donald Driver, linebacker Erik Walden, running back Cedric Benson and Jones. It's very possible none of them will be back.

The bottom line is the cost to sign Matthews long-term could be more than $70 million on a five- or six-year deal. Raji's deal shouldn't be too far behind. Rodgers' deal would probably be for six or seven years and worth well more than $100 million.

There are ways to structure the contracts so the immediate cap hits aren't great, but that would put future years in jeopardy. Thompson and Ball would like to dump as much money from those contracts into the 2013 season, thus making them less burdensome in the future.

To do that, it means creating as much space as possible this year. And that means roster changes.

"Change is constant, and I think everybody understands that," McCarthy said. "I don't exactly know what the statistics are, but I know it has been around 20% for us, the way your roster changes every year. That will probably hold true this year."
 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 26, 2013, 03:29:20 am

 Packy,

 Saturday has retired ... Woodson is a hell of a paycheck to pick up ... and Finley.

 Jennings also.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 26, 2013, 04:58:12 am

 Who did the 49er's draft at OL in 2010 ? Where are they now ? SUPERBOWL !

Lets check this out for a minute : JULIO JONES

ATLANTA traded UP to get him ... gave away more then a few draft picks.

RESULT : ATLANTA #1 seed in the playoffs.

Didnt win the SuperBowl THIS year ... but its an orgaization seeing talent and willing to pul the trigger to trade up.

Emery and Trestman have to judge talent that way for the needs of the team.

Atlanta ... like CHICAGO ... got duped when they ran into Kapernick ... not a fluke ... but the future.

Rodgers has been kind of a minny version of Kapernick thruout the years and the end result is we dont do that well against him.

Ponder and Matthew are more of the pocket type and we seem to have that under control.

But Rodgers-Kapernick-Wilson ... lets face it, those guys OWN us.

OL and TE/WR with our first 3 picks ... all other rounds go to DEFENSE.

What KIND of defense ? The kind that can throttle Rodgers-Kapernick -Wilson.

AND RG III AND Newton. Michael Vick ? If a coach knows how to coach him up.

We are going to need to draft defense that is in tune to what we have to play thruout the season.

Not just the same old NFC NORF crap.

Thats a tall order for Emery and Trestmann, lets see if they can pull this off.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 26, 2013, 06:39:45 am
What we really need right now is Urlacher when he was young. Fast, furious, flying to the QB who couldn't run away from him. What we're likely to get is Grandpa Urlacher. Wiser and slower....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on January 26, 2013, 12:23:29 pm
Purdue hires former Bears OC Shoop

Sports XChange
11:40 a.m. CST, January 26, 2013


Purdue has hired former Chicago Bears offensive coordinator John Shoop to fill that role and also serve as quarterbacks coach, the school announced Friday.

“Coach Shoop is a great guy and a smart coach that understands the team culture we're building at Purdue,” coach Darrell Hazell said in a statement. “He has a ton of experience at the highest levels of football, having served as an offensive coordinator in both the NFL and college. I love what his knowledge and expertise brings to Purdue, but I really value his notion of family and team-building that will play a vital role for us.”

Shoop most recently served as North Carolina's offensive coordinator from 2007-11. He did not coach in 2012.

Shoop was the Bears' offensive coordinator under coach Dick Jauron from 2000-03.

The Boilermakers are still in search of a defensive line coach, tight ends coach and special teams coordinator.


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Post by: packrat on January 26, 2013, 01:04:27 pm
Packy,

 Saturday has retired ... Woodson is a hell of a paycheck to pick up ... and Finley.

 Jennings also.

True,  dat.
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Post by: yapper on January 26, 2013, 03:08:21 pm
Well that's just peachy.

I went to grad school at Purdue.  They are so screwed.
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Post by: packrat on January 26, 2013, 06:02:13 pm
3-4 versus 4-3:

Schematica and the Future of the Packers Defense

By CD Angeli on Jan 25, 2013 with 35 Comments


I’m not a fan of schemes. I’m particularly not a fan of schemes as a silver bullet to fix obvious shortcomings on an NFL football team.  And, most of all, I’m so not a fan of jumping late on a scheme’s bandwagon, after everyone else is already doing it.
 
But, along the line, the Green Bay Packers have done this twice, with at best marginal success. Oh, certainly, the Pack won a Super Bowl a few years ago, but I don’t know if anyone would say it was because of the Zone Blocking Scheme or even the 3-4 Defense. Quite honestly, they won a Super Bowl because they were talented and hungry, and had one of those charmed streaks where they managed to force a turnover at just the right time, whenever they needed it.
 
Since those days, the timely turnovers have disappeared, and players have openly questioned the hunger of the team. Change is on the horizon, and naturally, some of the conversation has turned back to the same one we’ve had before: “Maybe we should change the scheme!”
 
However, any change in scheme needs to be done for the right reasons, and I’m not sure the Packers have always chosen their schematic overhauls because it was the best idea at the time. In fact, I would guess it might have been to give General Manager Ted Thompson an opportunity to target tweener players that drop down the charts because they don’t fit the traditional 4-3 mold. And, there’s nothing Thompson loves more than drafting a guy he likes later on draft day rather than sooner.
 
Following the hiring of coach Mike McCarthy in 2006, he decided to implement the Zone Blocking Scheme, a simple idea that the Denver Broncos worked to perfection in the 1990′s with Terrell Davis. The concept was straightforward: get a bunch of guys who all block one direction (with the end tackle laying a chop block on the back of someone’s leg), and run the ball with a running back who merely had to make one cut and charge upfield.
 
It worked great….for the Broncos. But by the time the Packers decided to opt into the ZBS, not only had the idea been copied throughout the league, many teams (such as the Atlanta Falcons) were already trying to phase it out: a painful process, as the entire OL personnel needed to be overhauled. Seems that the “ZBS body type” wasn’t conducive to a traditional scheme.
 
But it allowed Thompson to quickly draft the three offensive linemen of the future: Daryn Colledge, Jason Spitz, and Tony Moll, all ZBS-style bodies that would be projects in a traditional system. Instead, they were all plucked into the starting lineup as rookies.
 
In the end, none of the three wear the green and gold anymore, and the ZBS has slowly been changed out for a more traditional, pulling-guard offense that features “mean-and-nasty” linemen like Josh Sitton and TJ Lang.  Oh, for a time the ZBS seemed functional, particularly when Ryan Grant (perhaps the only true ZBS-style back the Packers have had in the backfield) slashed his one-cut-and-run for a couple of 1,000-yard seasons.
 
But, in the end, it was never anything near what the Broncos had achieved with Terrell Davis, and for good reason. The Broncos tailored the offense to maximize the talent they had on the roster. The Packers chose an offense, then searched for talent that might fit into it.
 
The 3-4 defense, installed after the debacle of 2008, was perhaps an attempt to modify the defensive schemery around the talent they had at the time. At that point, the Packers were struggling to keep healthy defensive linemen on the field, while possessing a deep stable of young, promising linebackers. The 3-4, originating with the Steelers, had proven to be an effective counter to the West Coast Offense’s shifty misdirection, and by 2009, a cadre of NFL teams had already adopted the scheme.
 
Not coincidentally at all, Thompson used his draft position to take on two ideal 3-4 defensive bodies: defensive tackle BJ Raji and linebacker Clay Matthews, both in the first round. They would go on to play integral roles in the Packers’ Super Bowl drive in their second seasons.
 
But the Packers’ defense appears to be faltering, falling to a league-worst in 2011 and following it up with yet another playoff embarrassment in 2012. The calls have gone out far and wide for the firing of defensive coordinator Dom Capers, which doesn’t appear likely. Nor should it: simply firing someone out of anger or frustration without a viable plan to improve upon it is foolish business.
 
But no truer words have been spoken than the words uttered by Thompson recently, who said that “If you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse.” Every element of this team will be under scrutiny, but the main question is “How is it going to get better?”
 
My advice would be to return to a 4-3 defense, but not for the reasons you might expect. I don’t believe that the 4-3 in and of itself is going to be a silver bullet that will turn this team around. It is the kind of move, however, that is going to allow the Packers to start looking for talented football players to stock their roster, not guys who fit a particular scheme that can be drafted further down the board as value picks.
 
Case in point: whenever I mention the idea of returning to a traditional 4-3, the first response I hear is “But, what are you going to do with Clay Matthews?? He’s a 3-4 linebacker? You’d be limiting our best defensive player by making him a 4-3 outside linebacker or a 4-3 defensive end!!! What about his sacks??”
 
Seriously? Yes, Clay Matthews is our best defensive player, perhaps head-and-shoulders above the rest of the team this year. My colleague John Rehor once said he’d grade out CMIII this season as an A, while he’d give the rest of the defense an F.  But just because he’s our best defensive player doesn’t mean that you handicap the rest of the defense in order to keep him in his A+ position.
 
Would you rather have a dominant, playmaking Clay Matthews playing on a defense that keeps giving up 200+ yards on the ground to a running back or a running quarterback, or a less dominant Matthews contributing on a defense that can stop opposing offenses in the playoffs? Which do you think Matthews would rather be on?
 
The idea of keeping Matthews in his always-pass-rushing-playmaker role as a higher priority than the necessities of playing defense in today’s NFL is ridiculous. The Packers have Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, and RGIII all as possible opponents in the playoffs next season. We’re going to continue to play the way we have been, with no adjustments (as usual), hoping eventually that the opposing quarterback will just get so tired of running for so many yards that he’ll eventually give up?
 
As the Falcons and the Packers discovered with the Zone Blocking Scheme, stocking your roster with limited range and skill to fit that scheme will come back to bite you when it doesn’t work, and you have to switch back to something else. The Packers are at a crossroads, and the time has come to evolve the defense into something that can handle the read-option offense. And the West Coast Offense. And an Adrian Peterson-power-led offense. And any other offense that comes along.
 
In other words, we just need to put the best men we have out there, and adjust the schemes to fit the best talent we can find balanced against the opposition we’re facing. No more looking down the draft charts for the “would be a good 3-4 linebacker” or “could be a playmaker in the right scheme”. Let’s get the “can be a dominant player in any scheme” guys whenever we can.
 
And, I personally don’t believe that Clay Matthews is that limited in a schematic change anyway. He’s a monster out there, able to hit and find the ball. Yes, he’s a great pass rusher. The problem is that he’s presently our only pass rusher, and he can’t get there every time. So, instead of continuing to try and find 3-4 players to surround Matthews, surround him with great football players.  Allow the talent on the field to dictate what kind of defense you are going to run. And if that 3-4 isn’t going to cut it, go with what works.
 
If Matthews gets only four sacks and loses some endorsements, but the Packers’ defense puts them in a position to take on any offense in the playoffs and come out on top, it’s worth it for everyone involved, particularly the fans. If Matthews gets 15 sacks, is featured in every commercial during the game, and the Packers continue to lay eggs in the playoffs…well, what are you watching football for?
 
The Cowboys are switching to a 4-3 this season. So are the Dolphins and the Jets (partially). Meanwhile, the Saints are switching to the 3-4, and the Panthers and the Browns may be close behind. There’s no hard-and-fast rule here, gang.
 
Except that if you keep doing what isn’t working, there’s a whole lot of people that may end up on the unemployment line. Let’s quit chasing the perfect scheme and start chasing the most talented players and design the scheme around them.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 28, 2013, 12:54:34 am

 Go to a 2-5 with the start of the read option in the NFL ?

 That ... the QB is likely to get going ... so a bend dont break defense in the future ?
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Post by: yapper on January 28, 2013, 04:27:22 pm
That's what was so infuriating to me...  the Packers D only ever looked good two games a year... which were the games they played us.

They'd stuff Forte, obliterate our O-Line, make Cutler look like Blaine Gabbert and erase Marshall right out of the equation.

Almost any other team could go up and down the field on them but the Bears had no idea how to solve them.
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Post by: packrat on January 28, 2013, 08:20:26 pm
Ragting NFL O-Lines:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/28/ranking-the-2012-offensive-lines/
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 28, 2013, 10:04:48 pm
Amazing, we actually improved from #32 to #30 in 2012.
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Post by: yapper on January 28, 2013, 10:26:00 pm
Wow only 5 more years at that rate and we'll be right there in the middle of the pack...
  :'(
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Post by: Sportster on January 29, 2013, 06:54:15 am
Is it any surprise that the 9ers are the top dogs and right there in the SB and the favs to win it all? Not to me....probably to the former staff of our Bears it is.....morons.....
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Post by: yapper on January 29, 2013, 08:22:09 am
That 49ers OL doesn't have a single weak link on it. The "dud" on that line would be the 2nd or 3rd best O-Linemen on a lot of teams.

On top of which they don't get hurt, so you've got continuity and you're not always sliding guys in and out of position.

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Post by: dallasbear on January 29, 2013, 09:20:33 am

Anyone know what rounds each of those 5 lineman were drafted?
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Post by: yapper on January 29, 2013, 10:06:05 am
49ers Starting OL, with round drafted and who drafted them:

LT - Joe Staley, 1st round (SF)
LG -  Mike Iupati, 1st round (SF)
C - Jonathan Goodwin, 5th round (NY Jets) - currently 34 years old
RG - Alex Boone, UDFA (SF) - 6'8...  maybe Carimi has a chance
RT - Anthony Davis, 1st round (SF)

With Leonard Davis (1st round by the Cardinals) as their primary backup.

Now of course drafting O-Linemen in the 1st round does not ensure success (see Colombo, Chris Williams, and Carimi) -- you've got to spend those high picks on the right guys.

And then on the other end you have the Saints of a couple years ago who had Bushrod (4th round) and Carl Nicks (5th round) as the starting LT and LG and it was one of the best blindside tandems in the league.
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Post by: Sportster on January 29, 2013, 10:15:12 am
See a whole lotta 1st's in that group...don't you, Dallas? Looks like Goodwin was a known factor FA brought in and evidently they got lucky with a UDFA. But for the most part, it's 1st rounders. We've had failures for the most part due to a staff that was clueless with the Oline. For three years straight, they never figured out it was the biggest problem on the team....three years straight, and we expected them to get it right when drafting for that line?!? I think we can only go up from here.....hard to get much worse...
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Post by: yapper on January 29, 2013, 10:20:28 am
What I notice about the Niners is that both OTs were 1st round picks who panned out. To have guys at both ends of the OL who can win their battles consistently opens up their offense tremendously because TEs and RBs are not constantly being compromised to help with blocking.

I also discovered that Staley -- the LT -- was actually the lowest drafted of their 3 first rounders (28th overall IIRC).  Davis (the RT) was drafted 11th overall and Iupati the LG at 17.  So that calls into question the whole conventional wisdom of never taking a RT or interior guy in the Top 20.
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Post by: boogie on January 29, 2013, 11:26:54 am
I think the key is to recognize the talent, and then draft it when you can.  Angelo couldnt find an apple on an apple tree. 
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Post by: Phill23 on January 29, 2013, 12:00:38 pm
27 - 19 Ravens
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Post by: Sportster on January 29, 2013, 01:35:13 pm
30-23 9ers.....
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 29, 2013, 01:54:21 pm
38-35 49ers
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Post by: Pekin on January 29, 2013, 05:18:31 pm
31-27 Niners.
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Post by: yapper on January 29, 2013, 08:41:51 pm
Wow for 2 teams with really good defenses you guys are expecting a lot of scoring.

I'm thinking more like 20-16 and if I were a Niners fan I'd be praying it doesnt come down to a FG.
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Post by: Pekin on January 29, 2013, 10:34:43 pm
The rules are all geared towards offense now.  I bet we get 3 or 4 PI calls.

Broncos/Niners was supposed to be a defensive battle as well.
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Post by: yapper on January 29, 2013, 10:42:11 pm
I suppose there could be defensive scores, too.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 30, 2013, 02:40:47 am
Those are two high powered offenses too. Look at what the 9ers did to the Pack. Also look at that 70 yard pass play that ended Brady and the Pats. Flacco was not going to be stopped.
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Post by: packrat on January 30, 2013, 03:15:51 pm
Brian Urlacher knows he needs pay cut to stay in Chicago
Posted by Josh Alper on January 30, 2013, 7:47 AM EST
 APLinebacker Brian Urlacher hasn’t spoken to the Bears yet this offseason, but he doesn’t need to have direct contact with them to know what it is going to take to have any shot at remaining in Chicago in 2013.

He’s going to have to take a serious cut from the $7.5 million that he made in 2012. That would probably be true based on his age (35 in May) alone, but the fact that he dealt with a variety of injuries last season only makes it more of a necessity. Urlacher has no illusions about his need to make less money next season and it sounds like he’s fine with it.

“When you look at my age and everything, it’s going to be hard to not give them a discount,” Urlacher said, via the Chicago Tribune. “I’m not going to make what I was making in the past, how about that? Does that make sense? That’s fair.”

The fact of the matter is that this isn’t just about a “hometown discount” for the Bears. If Urlacher’s going to play anywhere in 2013, he’s going to need to agree to play for a lot less money than he’s accustomed to making. Maybe he’d sign with the Bears for less than he’d be willing to sign for in another city, but it’s a new financial reality regardless of the uniform he winds up wearing.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 30, 2013, 03:49:59 pm
I am not sure he is worth bringing back. I've seen that before. He says he is healthy and that he wasnt OK last year. Well Duh! You mean we couldnt see that and only he could tell that? Yeah right! He says he is a Bear and his home is Chicago. He needs to be the player he was 2 years ago. I dont believe he has another like that in him.
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Post by: yapper on January 30, 2013, 04:00:47 pm
To me it comes down to Urlacher or Ogletree. Stick with the savvy vet for one more year, or start re-tooling the D now with the new DC?

By which I mean, bringing Urlacher back AND spending the 1st rounder on Ogletree to sit the bench his rookie season, is something we could afford to do if we were the Niners or Patriots and two-deep at every position on both sides of the ball.  But we're not.  So if we commit to Urlacher that means the 1st round pick goes toward offense.  If we let Urlacher walk then fine, draft Ogletree if he's really BPA but he better be every bit the player he's being hyped as from Day One and we had better be succesful fixing our OL and TE issues through other means.

I will say that if Emery drafts a LB in the 1st round, I will be very interested in his explanation for spending 1st round picks on defense 2 years in a row and especially this year when a new HC has been brought in with the specific mandate to improve the offense by any means necessary.

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Post by: dallasbear on January 30, 2013, 04:52:23 pm

I don't think that if you launch Urlacher that you HAVE to draft Ogeltree.  There's a lot of good defenses that don't have Ray Lewis or Willis as their MLB.  And if we don't run a cover 2 you can even remove the MLB on 3rd down and put in a nickel back.  Maybe you find a FA or draft someone in the 3rd or 4th round that isn't the complete package...more of a run stopper type.

Now having said that, Urlacher isn't the same guy he was, we all know that.  BUT...he was leading the team in tackles before pulling the hammy.  And our run defense was 8th and probably ranked better before AP shredded us the 2nd meeting when Urlacher wasn't playing.  8th in run defense is nothing to sneeze at especially when we have pass rush first, smallish DTs that really don't protect our LBs.

I'd give Urlacher another year - he's already ready to accept a lower salary.  Add some incentives.  Groom a replacement with a mid round pick or FA this year and emphasize offense in the draft with the  higher picks.
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Post by: yapper on January 30, 2013, 05:01:40 pm
I'd give Urlacher another year - he's already ready to accept a lower salary.  Add some incentives.  Groom a replacement with a mid round pick or FA this year and emphasize offense in the draft with the  higher picks.

This actually would be my best-case scenario. Urlacher and a Top 20 pick spent on a LB makes no sense.  Urlacher and a mid-round prospect makes all the sense in the world. I've got to think there's a LB out there we could get in the 4th round who can be coached-up and ready to go a year from now.  Especially watching and learning from 54.  Of course he won't be an Urlacher but there are teams out there whose defenses are doing pretty well without that caliber of player in the middle.

If Tucker is all that, he should be able to keep this D playing at a competitive level without needing 5 or 6 Pro-Bowlers on the field. And a much-improved offense will take pressure off the D as well.

One of the biggest disconnects I've had with all these mocks projecting Ogletree to us is that they are operating on an outdated assumption, i.e. that the MLB position will continue being the face of the franchise for the Bears.  That's not what these new-era Bears are going to be about and that's going to be a hard pill for some fans to swallow.  But it's a fact and we need to allocate resources with that in mind.  In the new scheme of things, having an All-World MLB is just not going to be as big of a concern as it's been since the 1950s or whatever.
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Post by: dallasbear on January 30, 2013, 05:20:38 pm

I remember when Butkus retired.  I didn't follow him in his early years but only later in his career when his knee had to be taped in a bent position so he could run.  He knew he couldn't play MLB any longer but said he was going to give center a try.  That didn't pan out and he ended up retiring.  Sad day for all the NFL...well,  except for the running backs.

And then the Bears struggled at the position with the likes of Waymond Bryant (nicknamed the Black Dick Butkus), Don Rives, and Tom Hicks all trying to fill his shoes...until one day the Bears drafted this stubby guy out of a Baptist university in Texas.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 30, 2013, 05:34:48 pm
I think we have always had MLBs. LBs have been the face of the Bears. I believe Ogletree is in the mold of a Butkus or a Singletary. To me it makkes sense to draft Ogletree if you launch Urlacher. I just believe just like good QBs they dont happen every year. Certain years are better than others. Ogletree is in a class of his own. I think whether you bring Urlacher back or not Ogletree is an all pro you cant pass up. Yapp brought up a point that some observers thought Ogletree could play outside. Well if he could on the opposite side of Briggs then we might have something till Urlacher hangs them up. I know we need OLmen but this next month or so will be interesting to see what we do with our FAs
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Post by: yapper on January 30, 2013, 06:05:56 pm
I guess the question I have is, if Ogletree is so good then why do so many drafts have him falling to 20?
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 30, 2013, 06:31:44 pm
Because some teams dont use 4-3 middle linebackers and dont need one. Lets not get too carried away because we dont know much about where we are headed with this team. We may have a better idea nearer to the draft.
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Post by: yapper on January 30, 2013, 07:43:46 pm
Does Georgia run a 4-3 or 3-4?  I thought they were a 3-4 for some reason,
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Post by: boogie on January 30, 2013, 08:52:21 pm
If Ogletree is hands down the best player available, I wouldnt have a problem taking him.  If he is a reach or there are a couple of O players of similar quality, it might be hard to swallow.  Regardless of Urlacher. 
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Post by: yapper on January 30, 2013, 09:04:12 pm
Eifert, Warmack and Lane Johnson.

If any if those guys were still at 20 I'd say Ogletree is a no-go.

I could be persuaded for Ogletree in certain scenarios but those are 3 blue chip offensive guys we just cant afford to pass up if we have a shot at any of them.

They also happen to be 3 guys our friends in the green and gold would like to get their hands on very much.
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Post by: boogie on January 30, 2013, 09:18:38 pm
Yap, I understand what you are saying, but I wouldnt draft someone just to screw the Pack.  Now if that happens in addition. well that is a bonus.
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Post by: Chiman on January 31, 2013, 04:35:48 am
The only way we go defense in round 1 is if we sign a FA OT before the draft IMO.
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Post by: yapper on January 31, 2013, 06:29:21 am
Really tired of hearing what the Harbaugh bros have to say about anything. And its only Thursday.

Oh well such is Superbowl week I guess.

That being said...  these guys get it:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/30/harbaugh-kaepernick-credit-the-49ers-offensive-line/
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Post by: Sportster on January 31, 2013, 07:20:24 am
We have too many critical or near critical needs on this team. T-OG-TE-MLB-WR in order of need, with the first three 'hot swappable'. But if the three mentioned by Yapp are gone at 20, Ogletree would not be a bad pick, but we still desperately need help on the line, however we get it, whether through FA which is my prefered method or the draft, it needs to get done this year if possible. If I see some head scratchers picked over desperate need this time, I'm off the Emery little red wagon....
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Post by: dallasbear on January 31, 2013, 09:02:21 am

Another option, that I don't particularly care for, is that you don't re-sign Urlacher, move Roach to MLB permanently, and then find an SLB in the draft or free agency.   With all the 3-4 teams, run stopping-non pass rushing outside 4-3 linebackers should be available in the middle rounds.
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Post by: yapper on January 31, 2013, 09:11:19 am
I would agree...  the proliferation of 3-4 defenses has inflated the value of pass rushing OLBs and devalued the non-pass rushing OLB as well as the inside positions.

It has also opened the door for undersized college DEs (i.e. 245-260 lbs), to find a place on an NFL roster if they show any kind of pass coverage ability at all.
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Post by: Sportster on January 31, 2013, 10:16:37 am
Seems to me the 3-4 is becoming more popular due to its ability to add some confusion into the mix on D and either put more defenders out in pass routes or bring defenders on varied blitzes. It could hurt the run defense but since the run game seems to be second fiddle anymore to the pass game, I can see why 3-4's are proliferating...
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Post by: yapper on January 31, 2013, 10:24:14 am
That's why I think Mel Tucker could wind up being a real smart hire for the Bears.

He has coached in both the 3-4 and 4-3 so he knows the strengths and liabilities of each.  What I'm hoping that means for the Bears D is "hybrid" defensive fronts, precisely to add more confusion and make us less predictable. It also means a guy like McClellin can be turned loose from a 2-point stance rather than putting his hand on the ground every down and running smack into an OT 50 lbs heavier than he is.  Maybe he even gets used as a "spy" when we're facing a read-option QB like RGIII, Wilson or Kaepernick (or when we face whatever offense it is that Chip Kelly is gonna throw at us when we play the Eagles).

Hardin is another guy with the rare physical skills to become a great X-factor in our D IF he can stay healthy and is used creatively.

Tucker has put some darn good defenses on the field when he has decent players to work with (which was not the case last year in Jax).  We've got the players so I'm trusting Tucker to do great things with them.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 31, 2013, 08:16:43 pm

 Lets stop FUUCKKING AROUND and CUT TO THE CHASE ...

 when it comes to FRISCO ...

 THEIR front office OUTDRAFTED OUR front office.

 This is the legacy that Angelo/Lovie left for us.

 Now we have to start over.

 GOD help us ... a BEARS WR went to the PRO-BOWL.

 DAY ONE ... Emery ... DING !!

 Now lets be lookin at that OFFENSIVE LINE in FA and the DRAFT.
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Post by: 46 on February 03, 2013, 12:19:53 am
The Bucs new st coach......Wanny.  Blech,
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 03, 2013, 12:47:39 am
The Bucs new st coach......Wanny.  Blech,

 I thought McWannstadt was a defensive guy ...

 he sure knew how to kiss ass in Chicago with no results.
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Post by: 46 on February 03, 2013, 06:29:23 pm
sf taking a beating so far.  meh.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: guest77 on February 03, 2013, 07:47:34 pm
ravens playing lights out so far!    ;D
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Post by: boogie on February 03, 2013, 07:54:07 pm
That kick off return might have been lights out, but now who knows.  LOL
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Post by: 46 on February 03, 2013, 08:02:40 pm
Wonder how the Germans feel about the dome not being able to supply electricity for the biggest event in the world.  Think there might be some phone calls?
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Post by: guest77 on February 03, 2013, 09:49:54 pm
nice Flacco F-bomb on national tv!   ;D
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 04, 2013, 02:34:19 am

 The Paul Harvey Jeep ad about farmers got to me as a Superowl commercial.

 Reminded me to think about ACL.
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Post by: yapper on February 04, 2013, 07:07:52 am
OK Ray you got your ring, now just go away.

I'm happy for Corey Graham though. And John Harbaugh doesnt seem to be quite the doosh that Jim is.
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Post by: yapper on February 04, 2013, 09:27:35 am
As for Kaepernick...  buck up kid.  You are a ridiculous talent and played a hell of a game minus a couple glitches...  with only 10 NFL starts under your belt no less.  I'm pretty sure you'll be back for another chance.

(Which pains me to say as a Bears fan.)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on February 04, 2013, 09:38:03 am
As for Kaepernick...  buck up kid.  You are a ridiculous talent and played a hell of a game minus a couple glitches...  with only 10 NFL starts under your belt no less.  I'm pretty sure you'll be back for another chance.

(Which pains me to say as a Bears fan.)

But lose the stupid kissing your biceps move. It's not about you.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Fearless Freep on February 04, 2013, 09:49:24 am
I'm happy for Corey Graham though. And John Harbaugh doesnt seem to be quite the doosh that Jim is.

Just that alone made me root for Baltimore - Jimbo is worst combination of anal-retentive + 5 yr-old temper tantrum ever seen.
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Post by: dallasbear on February 04, 2013, 10:02:41 am

OK Ray you got your ring, now just go away.

I'm happy for Corey Graham though. And John Harbaugh doesnt seem to be quite the doosh that Jim is.


ditto

I know Jim used to be with the Bears but John just seems like such a class guy compared to his brother.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 04, 2013, 10:17:50 am
Wonder how the Germans feel about the dome not being able to supply electricity for the biggest event in the world.  Think there might be some phone calls?

I think Beyonce's over-the-top halftime must have blown a breaker somewhere...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on February 04, 2013, 10:32:44 am
Halftime managed to combine vulgar and boring all rolled up into one.
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Post by: Phill23 on February 04, 2013, 11:11:22 am
You're kidding.  That was a GREAT halftime show!  I can't believe anyone would complain about that!!!
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Post by: Keysbear on February 04, 2013, 11:26:43 am
30 seconds of singing followed by several minutes of stripper moves is hardly great and certainly not worthy of the SuperBowl. On the other hand it's no worse than any of the others in recent years. Time to skip it entirely.
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Post by: Phill23 on February 04, 2013, 11:32:41 am
LOL!!!  Okay if you say so.

I thought it was FANTASTIC!!!  Hope she does it again soon.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 04, 2013, 11:50:45 am
And John Harbaugh doesnt seem to be quite the doosh that Jim is.

Just that alone made me root for Baltimore - Jimbo is worst combination of anal-retentive + 5 yr-old temper tantrum ever seen.

This is too funny because if the Bears were in that position last night and Trestman said the same thing you guys wouldn't say what you're saying now.  Point being that WAS pass interference on that last play and I don't have a problem with Jim calling out the refs for swallowing the whistle.  That officiating crew wasn't a good crew last night IMO.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on February 04, 2013, 11:52:03 am
Crabtree was pushing off on that play. Crabtree initiated the contact. The ball was not catchable. Good no call.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 04, 2013, 11:53:59 am
We'll agree to disagree.  I didn't see a pushoff BUT I did see the defender with a handful of jersey that slowed Crabtree down.

Not saying he would've caught it but that was a bad no call in my opinion.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: stelz on February 04, 2013, 12:00:01 pm
I did not like the last four play calls.  I'm running Kap on at least one of the plays... They hadn't stopped his running all night...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 04, 2013, 12:06:14 pm
I did not like the last four play calls.  I'm running Kap on at least one of the plays... They hadn't stopped his running all night...

Agree 100%. Kaepernick was getting 5-10 yards every time he ran.  Absolutely no excuse to take that threat off the table down there in the red zone.  Plus by that point Ngata had left the game injured so they were soft on the side he'd usually be.

Big-time fail on Jim Harbaugh there, and may have cost them the game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on February 04, 2013, 12:09:09 pm
Where was Davis? Moss?

The last 4 play calls were puzzling.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 04, 2013, 12:14:13 pm
Moss just kind of floated in and out of the game.

I know that Vernon Davis left the game for awhile in the 1st half after taking a hard shot.  But he was back in the 2nd half. 

On a related note...  I thought the sideline reporting yesterday was atrocious.  Numerous players went out with injuries yet not once do I recall any reports from either bench on what the injuries were, or prognosis to return.  I know that both Harbaughs are notoriously uncooperative with the media but it sure felt like the viewers were being kept a lot more in the dark (pun intended) this game than in SuperBowls past.

Considering that CBS had about 32 on-air personalities working that game I thought their coverage as a whole left MUCH to be desired.

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Post by: yapper on February 04, 2013, 12:22:53 pm
Richard Dent still looks pretty good.

Was great to see him walking the trophy up to the podium.  Half the players on that Ravens team weren't even BORN the year he lifted it for the Bears.  Yikes...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Fearless Freep on February 04, 2013, 12:23:06 pm
Quote from: Phill23 date=1360000245
This is too funny because if the Bears were in that position last night and Trestman said the same thing you guys wouldn't say what you're saying now.  Point being that WAS pass interference on that last play and I don't have a problem with Jim calling out the refs for swallowing the whistle.  That officiating crew wasn't a good crew last night IMO.

Oh not that Jim was worse than usual yesterday ... he spazzes over off-side/false start flags with regularity.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on February 04, 2013, 12:44:03 pm
It must be my age. I've literally seen them all, and I just wasn't as geeked as I used to be. First, no Bear team. Second, I just don't like the rules that take away the defense.  I think our new coach will work real well in that its just about like cfl with one more down and 10 less yards. It also seems that everything is chorographed.  The only thing off the playing field that appeared to be spontanious was the lights going out. Oops.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on February 04, 2013, 12:47:54 pm
Here's another opinion of that play...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/mike-pereira-super-bowl-xlvii-calls-no-holding-on-crucial-play-020313

Kaepernick lofted a pass to Michael Crabtree, who was being guarded by Jimmy Smith. Both players were hand fighting and when you look at this play in real time, there's not enough to call pass interference against either player. Smith had a quick grab and Crabtree had a quick push-off. Smith went down on the play and the pass fell incomplete.

Crabtree never complained and it's the type of play where a flag thrown against either team would have, in my mind, created more controversy than a decision not to throw the flag.

By the way, it couldn't be defensive holding because the pass was in the air when the contact occurred. It's either offensive pass interference or defensive pass interference.

It was not an obvious foul and until I looked at it in slow motion, it seemed like no foul at all. It's not a penalty I would want called if I were still VP of Officiating for the NFL.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 04, 2013, 12:49:10 pm
Yeah the rules favor the offense but I didn't see as much ticky-tack PI being called yesterday as I have most of the season.  Not a big fan of that Boger guy but I credit him and his crew for letting the defenses play.  And they also handled that inexcusable half-hour power outage about as well as they could have.

If anything I think a lot of the scoring yesterday can be attributed to two two truly outstanding OLs giving their QBs a lot of time to throw and RBs room to run.  Other than that Webb-esque blunder by McKinnie that got Flacco crushed late in the game, that was some of the best pass blocking by both teams that I've seen in a long time.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on February 04, 2013, 01:18:48 pm

You can let them hand check all they want the first 5 yards but there was contact 7 yards down the field...it was pass interference.  I don't know that the ball was un-catchable.  It landed out of bounds but you know, guys can jump.

The Ravens took Kaepernick out of those last few plays by blitzing heavily.   Hindsight is 20/20...but I'm thinking if I'm on the 5 and I got 4 downs...I'm pounding the ball a couple times with Gore.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 04, 2013, 03:29:30 pm
Halftime managed to combine vulgar and boring all rolled up into one.

I hate the SB halftime shows.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 04, 2013, 03:33:28 pm
Good luck finding an act to play the halftime show next year...  in New Jersey.  Outdoors.

They'll probably hire Bon Jovi for an obscene amount of money and then put them under a plexiglass dome or something ridiculous like that.  It will be Spinal Tap in real life.
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Post by: 46 on February 04, 2013, 03:41:01 pm
you........mean smell the glove wasn't real?  Sex farm?  "11"?  How long have I been drinking to think that is was? St. Nubbins?  big bottom? (sigh).
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 04, 2013, 04:36:47 pm
IMHO the refs swallowed their wistles all night.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 05, 2013, 12:28:27 am
Oh not that Jim was worse than usual yesterday ... he spazzes over off-side/false start flags with regularity.

This is interesting because for so many years the majority of the folks here always complained about Lovie being stoic on the sidelines showing no emotion or getting into the refs face during the game but to see a couple saying something about Jim Harbaugh doing just the opposite of Lovie Smith is comical.

I wonder if Trestman will show a lot of emotion on the sidelines during games.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 05, 2013, 01:59:54 am

 Fuucking SPINAL TAP doing the SuperBowl halftime show ...

 followed this band from gig to gig throughout the midwest in the 80's.

 You cant get enuff TAP ! The TAP show at Champlain - Urbana was the greatest ever !

 Marty DeBergi said it best : TAP one of the loudest bands to ever play !

 David St. Hubbins & Nigel Tufnel ... maybe the best twin lead guitars ever.

 Drummers may have exploded ... but there was another TAP drummer in reserve !

 BEST band in history should play in the next SuperBowl !!
 

 

 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on February 05, 2013, 08:14:25 am
There is a LOT of distance between how Harbaugh acts and how Lovie acted. I don't like Jims antics but it would have been nice to see a little something from Lovie. At times it was hard to tell if he even knew where he was.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 05, 2013, 08:16:49 am
What I read about Trestman is that he's more on the "low-key" side of sideline antics spectrum, but at the same time he is extremely engaged in what's going on and he's not afraid to get in a ref's face if a situation warrants.  "Controlled intensity" I guess is how you'd describe it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: guest77 on February 05, 2013, 12:12:24 pm
There is a LOT of distance between how Harbaugh acts and how Lovie acted. I don't like Jims antics but it would have been nice to see a little something from Lovie. At times it was hard to tell if he even knew where he was.

That's what I didn't care for.  He never really seemed engaged in the game.  I know he was, but when you watch other HC's many of them seem much more active and involved on the sidelines.  I realize it's just a style thing, but when you combine that with his sullen press conferences, it gives off a negative vibe.  You can't change your personality, but when you're in the spotlight as that role is, you can't ignore it either.   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on February 05, 2013, 12:24:37 pm
Maybe Lovie was engaged, maybe not.  But that blank stare, and some very head scratching time outs/challenges, sure do make you wonder.
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Post by: Fearless Freep on February 05, 2013, 06:38:34 pm
What I read about Trestman is that he's more on the "low-key" side of sideline antics spectrum, but at the same time he is extremely engaged in what's going on and he's not afraid to get in a ref's face if a situation warrants.  "Controlled intensity" I guess is how you'd describe it.

That's about right. Trestman never loses sight of the next play.
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Post by: packrat on February 06, 2013, 07:11:31 pm
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/24619_604210782941712_730592441_n.jpg)
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 07, 2013, 12:08:08 am
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/24619_604210782941712_730592441_n.jpg)

 Youre not a nice person Packy.  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 07, 2013, 11:58:14 am
I know. 
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Post by: yapper on February 07, 2013, 04:20:22 pm
MAJOR score for the Eagles...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/07/chip-kelly-brings-alabamas-offensive-line-coach-to-philadelphia/

To be honest I'm surprised it took an NFL team this long to hire him.

The Eagles had widely been considered a lock to take Joeckl with the 4th overall pick (unless the Chiefs take him 1st), but now you have to wonder if they might try to swing a tradedown and go with Warmack instead?

The flip side of it is, I can't think this sits real well with those blue-chip high-school O-Linemen (and their parents) who just signed with the Tide and now won't be playing for the coach who recruited them.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 07, 2013, 04:27:33 pm
That would be interesting
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Post by: Sportster on February 07, 2013, 04:28:48 pm
Signing day was what, yesterday or the day before??? Wow, yea I would be a 'little' ticked if that happened to my son. Make sure they sign on the dotted line and then jump ship.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 07, 2013, 04:40:56 pm
The Eagles need OL help bad.  If the Chiefs took Joeckl, next best prospect on the board is Fisher but the 2nd ranked OT at 4th overall...  yikes. 

OTOH that's too high for Warmack so that's why I'm thinking they might want to trade down but I'm not sure who they'd trade with cause it's gonna cost a lot for any team that's not already in the Top 10 to get up there to 4.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 07, 2013, 04:44:12 pm
And definitely not the Bears
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 07, 2013, 07:59:59 pm
Signing day was what, yesterday or the day before??? Wow, yea I would be a 'little' ticked if that happened to my son. Make sure they sign on the dotted line and then jump ship.....

 To Notre Dame?

 
And definitely not the Bears

 We dont know that yet.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 07, 2013, 08:52:54 pm



Quote from: WshflThinking on Today at 04:44:12 pm

And definitely not the Bears

Quote: from JJ
 We dont know that yet.

Why dont we? It would take probably all of our 5 draft picks to tradde up from #20 to #4, so why doesnt that make it prohibitive? To me it would be insane even were it possible.



Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 07, 2013, 10:00:32 pm


Quote from: WshflThinking on Today at 04:44:12 pm

And definitely not the Bears

Quote: from JJ
 We dont know that yet.

Why dont we? It would take probably all of our 5 draft picks to tradde up from #20 to #4, so why doesnt that make it prohibitive? To me it would be insane even were it possible.

 Once again we dont know how this crew thinks, they are new onboard.

 You wanna tell me how this crew thinks ? I dont have a clue.

 One thing is for damn sure... first year under Emery, we traded UP to get Alshon.

 First time that has happened since when ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 08, 2013, 05:35:48 am
That was the 2nd round where it is way lots easier to do that. See there is a value system where all picks have distinct values. Each round has lower values. If you paid any attention to some of the posts here. It would cost several picks to move up just a few spots in the 1st round. To move up from #20 to #4 the cost would be astronomical. And yeah I know Emery moved up last year to get Jeffery. Just feel secure that there is a 99.999% chance it wont happen. I am that confident. It could conceivably cost the Bears their #1 pick this year as well as next to move up that high.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 09, 2013, 12:25:56 am
That was the 2nd round where it is way lots easier to do that. See there is a value system where all picks have distinct values. Each round has lower values. If you paid any attention to some of the posts here. It would cost several picks to move up just a few spots in the 1st round. To move up from #20 to #4 the cost would be astronomical. And yeah I know Emery moved up last year to get Jeffery. Just feel secure that there is a 99.999% chance it wont happen. I am that confident. It could conceivably cost the Bears their #1 pick this year as well as next to move up that high.

 Yeah the whole points and values thing, about trading up.

 Julio Jones ... Atlanta Falcons ... #1 seed in the Playoffs.

 Now we can discuss why they didnt win the SuperBowl.

 Which would bore me to tears. They GOT the #1 seed in the playoffs.

 In years past they traded UP to get one piece of the puzzle in place.

 Thats how we have to think.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 09, 2013, 08:09:09 am
I am not going to bother trying to look back where it was posted here how much it would cost us to move up past the Giants but to move up to #4 is even more prohibitive. See we arent the Patriots who usually have multiple 2nds and 3rds to use if they need or want to move up. We dont have that. I am sure Emery would like to be in that position some day as well as I am sure you and I do too, but I cant see it happening this year, not with 5 picks. But I dont want to kill your foolish dream so go right ahead and believe Emery would move up from #20 to #4. Would you trade Jay Cutler and #20 to Philly for #4? Just MHO but thats about what it would take to do that, not that I am suggesting that we indeed do that. I just think its a foolish dream to think Emery would do that.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on February 09, 2013, 09:53:06 am
So if we WERE going to trade up, who would we do that for???
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 09, 2013, 01:25:24 pm
The point has been made that all the OTs will be gone earlier leaving us with some other position other than OLine. JJ believes Emery will trade up. It may be that the Iggles might trade down. I dont see the Bears trading up to #4 and I dont see the Iggles dropping down out of the top ten. Too foolish because all the good Olinemen will likely be gone. And we dont have the extra trading pieces to trade up  with.

End of subject
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 09, 2013, 03:55:55 pm
Comments by Vic Ketchman.  Worth reading, I believe.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/ask-vic/article-1/Why-all-the-hate-for-the-49ers/e9b7e2b0-8344-466c-a258-53fef34e8939?campaign=email_february
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 09, 2013, 03:57:12 pm
Comments by Vic Ketchman.  Worth reading, I believe.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/ask-vic/article-1/Why-all-the-hate-for-the-49ers/e9b7e2b0-8344-466c-a258-53fef34e8939?campaign=email_february
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 09, 2013, 04:10:41 pm
Another pretty good article.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/ask-vic/article-1/Who-are-the-tough-guys/d8215d09-fd55-4cf6-93b8-5aa87f6b6bff?campaign=email_february
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 09, 2013, 07:48:30 pm
Donald Driver retirement event.  A skinny 7th round draft choice from the ghettos broke the GB pass-receiving record,  Not be for a kid from Alcorn State.  Oddo's buddy Gov. Walker was there to congratulate him

Chicago has their idol Sweetness  and GB has Donald Driver.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/ask-vic/article-1/Who-are-the-tough-guys/d8215d09-fd55-4cf6-93b8-5aa87f6b6bff?campaign=email_february
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 09, 2013, 07:49:23 pm
Donald Driver retirement event.  A skinny 7th round draft choice from the ghettos broke the GB pass-receiving record,  Not be for a kid from Alcorn State.  Oddo's buddy Gov. Walker was there to congratulate him

Chicago has their idol Sweetness  and GB has Donald Driver.

http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Donald-Drivers-Retirement-Final-Thoughts/a237ad27-ecd0-4a75-a92d-01f0f6531eee?campaign=email_february#/media-center/videos/Donald_Drivers_retirement_The_full_event/94351f67-3e13-4d5a-9419-5d455832361d (http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Donald-Drivers-Retirement-Final-Thoughts/a237ad27-ecd0-4a75-a92d-01f0f6531eee?campaign=email_february#/media-center/videos/Donald_Drivers_retirement_The_full_event/94351f67-3e13-4d5a-9419-5d455832361d)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 10, 2013, 01:37:32 am

 First of all we dont even know what Halas Hall is thinking about anything.

 I notice we dont have a WR coach ... is there going to be a WR coach ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on February 10, 2013, 07:26:39 am
I dont think Darryl Drake is doing much these days.  ;) 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 11, 2013, 08:34:30 am
Interesting...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/11/starks-foster-colon-all-may-go-in-steelers-offensive-line-shakeup/

Steelers OL was almost as bad as ours last year.  Wonder if we will take the same approach?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 11, 2013, 11:47:14 am
Good move by the Eagles.....

Michael Vick signs with Eagles for '13

Adam Schefter | ESPN
February 11, 2013, 12:41 PM ET


The Philadelphia Eagles re-signed Michael Vick on Monday to a one-year deal for the 2013 season, the team announced. Vick could make as much as $10 million next season, according to a league source.

This contract replaces the long-term contract Vick had signed in 2011 and he now is scheduled to be a free agent after next season.

But this season he will quarterback new coach Chip Kelly's offense. Kelly will address the media at a news conference later Tuesday.

He was scheduled to make $15.5 million in base salary in 2013 under the six-year, $100 million extension he signed with the team in 2011.

Vick, who turns 33 in June, passed for 2,362 yards, 12 touchdowns and 10 interceptions in 10 games last season, his fourth with the Eagles.

Vick was injured and inconsistent last season, eventually giving way to rookie Nick Foles. Vick returned to start the season finale vs. the New York Giants in December because Foles was injured.

The Eagles finished 4-12 and in last place in the NFC East. Andy Reid was fired as coach the day after the season ended, and Kelly was hired last month.

Vick seems equipped to run Kelly's aggressive, up-tempo offense that he is bringing to the Eagles from Oregon.

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Post by: yapper on February 11, 2013, 11:48:34 am
I don't really know that much about Chip Kelly's offensive scheme but from what I do know it seems like Vick (if healthy) would be a good fit.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 11, 2013, 08:32:28 pm
I don't really know that much about Chip Kelly's offensive scheme but from what I do know it seems like Vick (if healthy) would be a good fit.

 You could say that Vick was the first of what is.

 He may have been ahead of his time when he took out G.B. 27 -7 at G.B. in the 2003 playoffs.

 It only took the rest of the NFL 10 years to catch up. Look at the mans pedigree ...
 
 which has nothing to do with dogs what so ever.  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 12, 2013, 01:11:47 pm
Report: NFL plans delay if blizzard strikes Super Bowl

Contingency plan could bring game delay if blizzard strikes


Daniel Kaplan, Terry Lefton & John Ourand/The Sports Business Journal
February 11, 2013


With more questions than answers surrounding the Super Bowl being played outdoors in a cold-weather climate next February, one thing is for certain: The NFL will have an extensive contingency plan in place to account for bad weather.

The league is considering various options that include the possibility of delaying the contest several days in the event of a weather emergency on game day. The league even could decide to play the game on Saturday if faced with an ominous forecast, sources said.

While contingency plans are in place for all events of this magnitude, the New York/New Jersey setting offers new challenges for the NFL. It is not a typical snowstorm that concerns the league but rather a weather crisis like a nor’easter, something that is capable of shutting down the city.

“We have to look at all the angles: storm arriving day-of-game, storm arriving prior to game, storm arriving after game,” one source said.

If the game, set for Feb. 2, has to be rescheduled, a host of complications would arise. For example, if the game were played later than on Sunday, fans would have to reschedule flights, something that would become especially problematic considering potential airport closings. Hotel accommodations also would come into play, as fans would need to extend their stays.

Similar problems would occur if the game is moved to Saturday, since some ticket holders do not arrive until the day of game.

“You know it will be a lot cooler, but there will be a lot of people and transportation issues regardless,” said Jeff Miller, NFL vice president of security. “When you have a lot of moving parts and large crowds, you are moving on transportation systems already overloaded with daily commuters, so you’ve got some issues to deal with.”

While New Orleans returned to the Super Bowl rotation with its game earlier this month, the talk among industry executives during the week was of next February, with an eye on New York and a focus on the uncertainties of staging such a large event in a potentially frigid city. The league has held Super Bowls in cold weather climates before, but always in stadiums with roofs.

The league was especially fortunate last year in Indianapolis, where mild temperatures held steady through the week.
But next year’s game is seen as the test case for future cold-weather-climate Super Bowls. Most are bracing for what is expected to be unparalleled interest.

The league is prepared for significant demand for tickets and hospitality, with some veteran sponsors predicting record-high prices for both.

“The challenge I see is that the stadium is only so big and demand is far going to exceed availability,” said Dave Wintergrass, the NFL’s senior director of events.

Wintergrass directs NFL On Demand, which sells on-site Super Bowl hospitality packages ranging from $3,949 to $8,849 per person. “We had requests to leave deposits since last October.”

Media presence during Super Bowl week also is expected to be greater than normal, especially since all of the major broadcasting companies have extensive studio space in and around Manhattan. The increased broadcast attention will follow from what happened this year in New Orleans, where CBS essentially took over Jackson Square,­ a popular landmark in New Orleans.

“We will still have a presence in New York, but we don’t know what that will be yet,” said David Berson, executive vice president of CBS Sports and president of CBS Sports Network. “We envision it will be a different approach from this year, when it’s our game.”

Fox Sports, which holds the rights to next year’s Super Bowl, was mum on its plans for New York, mainly because it still hasn’t officially announced its plans to launch the all-sports channel Fox Sports 1 in August.

Fox has identified the New York Super Bowl as a big opportunity to build the Fox Sports 1 brand and is planning to carry several New York-based events in the run-up to the game, including college basketball games, a U.S. women’s national soccer team game from Yankee Stadium and a UFC event from the Prudential Center.

Much like CBS Sports this year, Fox Sports will have an extensive set for Fox Sports 1, most likely on or near Super Bowl Boulevard, which will run along Broadway from 34th to 44th streets (see related story, Page 1). Plus, it plans to share talent between the broadcast network and the cable channel and will use Fox News’ studios liberally.

In years past, ESPN virtually owned Super Bowl week, carrying out its motto that it owns everything around the Super Bowl but the game. ESPN has always built the biggest sets and produced the most TV hours around the game.

Once NFL Network launched, the two channels shared the market. Now, the NFL’s other TV partners, and their all-sports cable channels,­ are taking part, too.

ESPN hasn’t made its decisions about New York yet but has been looking for locations that combine a good backdrop of the city with heavy foot traffic.

It’s the size and everyday clutter of New York that dominated conversations in New Orleans, as concerned marketers stressed it will make social, digital and street marketing efforts much more important.

“The Super Bowl is always a noisy marketing environment, as is New York,” said Alex Craddock, head of Visa North America marketing. “We think that will be tempered by more people interacting with a Super Bowl city than ever. All of our programs have a social component now, so we’ll ratchet that up to a level that fits both New York and the Super Bowl.”

It’s not just New York’s cluttered marketing environment that will be difficult, marketers say. It will be figuring out how to activate with fans in the market, as well.

“We are more concerned about the logistics of it all than the marketing,” said Carolyn Eckert, sponsorship, promotions and creative services manager at NFL sponsor Castrol. “I can’t see anyone doing grand scale efforts [outside]. We’re going to have to rethink our activation with fans. You can’t really put big build-outs on the street; New York City won’t allow that. So I think it gets down to more street marketing teams, social media, along with customer-engagement events.”

Even top hospitality companies aren’t quite sure what to expect, though they are confident sales will be big.

“Demand will be there. It already is,” said Keith Bruce, whose SportsMark runs NFL House and was executing Super Bowl hospitality in New Orleans for 10 clients, including Visa and CBS. “Operationally, it’s going to be very difficult … because a lot of people won’t want to sit outside.”
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 12, 2013, 02:07:35 pm
IMHO it is folly to schedule a SB in a northern stadium.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 12, 2013, 09:54:46 pm
IMHO it is folly to schedule a SB in a northern stadium.

 Then it is folly to play football at all.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 12, 2013, 10:02:51 pm
Its all about fan experience as well as the price of the tickets. I sure wouldnt pay the price of those SB tickets to sit outdoors in the snow and cold just to watch when I can watch on TV in the warmth of my living room.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 12, 2013, 10:46:51 pm
Its all about fan experience as well as the price of the tickets. I sure wouldnt pay the price of those SB tickets to sit outdoors in the snow and cold just to watch when I can watch on TV in the warmth of my living room.

 That is by well your opinion , however you must agree that many fans do sit in the cold to watch a game.

 Thats called a football fan. And its fun ... I may hate your team and you may hate my team ...

 but gathered together in the cold of winter ... in a nameless parking lot of whatever sports stadium ...

 LETS PARTY MOTHERFUUUKERS !!!

 Its just the way it is.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on February 13, 2013, 09:00:22 am

And Goodell is saying he wants a team in Europe...soon.   Are India and China next on the list...guess they figure they got to keep expanding the NFL like McDonalds.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on February 13, 2013, 09:20:23 am
I just don't see it.  The logistics are almost impossible.  Say you get a team in Germany.  Would they every play a west coast team ? You would have players reeling off planes not knowing which day, country, time it is.  The Euro team would have to be really bad to lose a home game, or really good to win an away game.  Why do it?  If you have to, then at least keep it in this hemisphere. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 13, 2013, 09:43:16 am
I'm starting to think Goodell is certifiable.

He's ruining the game, and each comment out of his mouth about the future of the NFL is wackier than the last one. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 13, 2013, 01:52:24 pm
It would UNPRECEDENTED if the Super Bowl has to be rescheduled because of the elements.  This would tarnish Roger Goodell's legacy as the commissioner.  He better pray for a clear 50 degree weather that night.

The Super Bowl has NEVER been rescheduled before.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on February 13, 2013, 02:02:47 pm
Coaching Academy - might be a good career move after sequestration causes the defense industry to dry up...

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-ncaa-hold-third-annual-141859969--nfl.html

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 14, 2013, 07:02:42 pm

 The best place to expand the NFL is Mexico. Why?

 The Mexico City metro area is so large it could have 4 teams ... its own division.

 Whats the distance from Miami to Mexico City ? 1283 miles

 Whats the distance from Miami to Frisco ? 2594 miles

 Most of Mexico is in the Cental time zone.

 Tex Shram and Al Davis were broadcasting Cowboys and Raiders games into Mexico since the 1960's.

 The fan base is there ... just not a local team to root for.

 The largest paid attendance for an NFL football game in history was in Mexico City ... 110'000.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on February 14, 2013, 07:31:45 pm
And half the players get kidnapped.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 14, 2013, 07:48:00 pm
And half the players get kidnapped.

 ??? You mean like FIFA soccer players get kidnapped of which you cant produce one incident,

 or are you just being a forward thinking paranoid ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on February 15, 2013, 08:02:25 am
What would they want with a soccer player?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 15, 2013, 11:18:32 am
For you yapper.....


Who Has the Strongest Arm in the NFL?


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1526851-who-has-the-strongest-arm-in-the-nfl?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 15, 2013, 12:17:57 pm
Charles Woodson to be released

ESPN.com news services
February 15, 2013, 12:59 PM ET


The Green Bay Packers will release veteran defensive back Charles Woodson, a source familiar with the situation has told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

Carl Poston, the agent for Woodson, first told NFL.com that the club would be releasing his client.

"They're getting ready to release him. It's part of the business," Poston said. "I just talked to him. He sounds like he has a lot of football left. He'd like to play for a contender, win another Super Bowl."

The 2009 NFL Defensive Player of the Year, the 36-year-old Woodson was set to make $9 million in 2013 and would count for $10 million against the Packers' salary cap. He has spent the past seven seasons with Green Bay after playing his first eight campaigns with the Oakland Raiders.

Woodson, who missed nine games in 2012 because of a broken collarbone before returning for the playoffs, moved from cornerback to safety last season because of diminishing cover skills.

An eight-time Pro Bowler, Woodson won the Heisman Trophy at Michigan in 1997. In 206 career NFL games, Woodson has registered 55 interceptions and 17 sacks.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on February 15, 2013, 01:59:05 pm

Good news for Bears fans - hope he goes to the AFC.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 15, 2013, 02:23:33 pm
Charles Woodson to be released

ESPN.com news services
February 15, 2013, 12:59 PM ET


The Green Bay Packers will release veteran defensive back Charles Woodson, a source familiar with the situation has told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

Carl Poston, the agent for Woodson, first told NFL.com that the club would be releasing his client.

"They're getting ready to release him. It's part of the business," Poston said. "I just talked to him. He sounds like he has a lot of football left. He'd like to play for a contender, win another Super Bowl."

The 2009 NFL Defensive Player of the Year, the 36-year-old Woodson was set to make $9 million in 2013 and would count for $10 million against the Packers' salary cap. He has spent the past seven seasons with Green Bay after playing his first eight campaigns with the Oakland Raiders.

Woodson, who missed nine games in 2012 because of a broken collarbone before returning for the playoffs, moved from cornerback to safety last season because of diminishing cover skills.

An eight-time Pro Bowler, Woodson won the Heisman Trophy at Michigan in 1997. In 206 career NFL games, Woodson has registered 55 interceptions and 17 sacks.

And won NFL MVP once.

Great career. Sad that it is over (at least in GB).
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 15, 2013, 02:28:23 pm
Good news for Bears fans - hope he goes to the AFC.


Look to Casey Hayward, now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 15, 2013, 05:32:47 pm
What would they want with a soccer player?

 Same thing they would want with an NFL player.

 Youre the one that said that pro players are being kidnapped in Mexico.

 Back up your assertions. I never heard anything about a FIFA player being kidnapped.

 Meanwhile ...

 Whats the deal with Woodson and G.B. ? Is it age or money ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 15, 2013, 09:26:49 pm
Both! Think Urlacher
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on February 15, 2013, 10:18:20 pm
Woodson was under contract and the Packers did not want to pay the high price.

Urlacher is not and the two sides can negotiate a fair price.  There is a much better chance of Urlacher being back with the Bears then there is of Woodson being back with the Packers.

I love it because the Packers D went to pieces with out him and came back strong when he came back.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 16, 2013, 01:02:59 pm
I meant old and worn out as well as overpriced, not that their contract situations were the same
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 16, 2013, 01:54:53 pm
Part of the GB defense slipped when Perry was injured.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 17, 2013, 05:45:55 am
Part of the GB defense slipped when Perry was injured.

 Packy who fills in for Woodson ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 18, 2013, 03:39:45 pm
MD Jennings and Morgan Burnett.  Rookie Jerron McMillian looked like a comer.  If he has that second year leap he could start in place of Jennings, jj.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on February 18, 2013, 07:00:27 pm
Packers having a fire sale?  Saw they dumped Saturday. Next?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 18, 2013, 08:00:01 pm
Yep.  There was no doubt about that.  Just a matter of when.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on February 19, 2013, 08:02:04 am
Can't they resign at a lower cost?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 19, 2013, 12:19:08 pm
Can't they resign at a lower cost?

 I dont think thats the issue with the players discussed ... maybe time to go to the booth and ESPN.

 Age
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on February 19, 2013, 12:53:53 pm

Titus Young is again available - the Rams apparently got to know him these last few days.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 19, 2013, 01:11:41 pm
Titus Young is again available - the Rams apparently got to know him these last few days.

 The next Randy Moss? A head case with talent?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on February 19, 2013, 10:54:12 pm
Titus Young couldn't sniff Randy Moss's jock.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 20, 2013, 08:10:07 am
Titus Young clearly has some serious psychological issues...  Jeff Fisher is pretty accommodating of head cases so when he lets a guy go after 5 days you know it's a pretty special case (in the bad way).

He will be living in a van down by the river once his rookie money is gone and it couldn't happen to a better person.

As for the Lions...  total waste of a high draft pick.  These are things you think would be caught in the scouting / interview process but I guess that's why they're the Lions.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 20, 2013, 09:52:34 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/jamarcus-russells-comeback-effort-progressing-slowly/

Damn...  pretty sure even I could blaze a 5.2 40...  and I'm a month shy of 47.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 21, 2013, 10:39:33 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/21/nfl-to-be-more-proactive-regarding-playing-surface-quality/

Good.  Maybe this means FieldTurf is coming to Soldier Field at last.

I haven't been a big fan of most of Goodell's decisions but in the case of these field conditions it's time to start fining teams heavy and hard for subpar playing surfaces.  Maybe if the league office turns the spotlight on Soldier Field (as well as other embarrassments like FedEx field and Heinz Field), we'll get some action on a topic that should have been addressed years ago.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on February 21, 2013, 12:42:57 pm
Unfortunately it doesn't mention Soldier in the article.  Only FedEx Field in DC.  Maybe if RG3 had injured his knee in Chicago then the commissioner would take action to Soldier.  :)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 22, 2013, 03:19:40 pm
Unfortunately it doesn't mention Soldier in the article.  Only FedEx Field in DC.  Maybe if RG3 had injured his knee in Chicago then the commissioner would take action to Soldier.  :)

 Funny  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 22, 2013, 05:50:57 pm
Keep the SB in the warm, sunny south.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 22, 2013, 06:09:35 pm
Keep the SB in the warm, sunny south.

 SuperBowl in Calgary ? Think about it if we fold the CFL into the NFL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 23, 2013, 04:11:15 pm
I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 23, 2013, 04:11:31 pm
Nahh.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 23, 2013, 05:04:22 pm
Packers.com is examining the Packers’ roster, position by position. In the seventh installment, we look at the defensive backs.
 
GREEN BAY—The simplest way to analyze the Packers secondary is to recognize two things.
 
First, there isn’t a stronger position on the roster than cornerback.
 
Second, following the recent release of Charles Woodson, there isn’t a younger position on the roster than safety.
 
The Packers feel they have four starting-caliber corners coming out of 2012. That was confirmed after the season by position coach Joe Whitt Jr., who said the starting jobs for 2013 would be open to competition amongst Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward and Davon House.
 
Williams is the veteran of the bunch whose play improved following an injury-plagued 2011 but who has yet to return to being the playmaker of 2010. Williams had just two interceptions last season, both in Week 2, his lowest total since becoming a regular starter in 2008.
 
It should be noted, however, that Williams was frequently assigned to cover the opponent’s top target, and his work in the NFC North against Detroit’s Calvin Johnson and Chicago’s Brandon Marshall went a long way toward the Packers going 4-0 against those rivals.
 
Shields bounced back from an uneven 2011 with a strong 2012 that showcased his improved tackling. He’s a restricted free agent whom the Packers almost certainly intend to keep with a high-tender offer, and he performed especially well following a six-week absence due to an ankle injury. Over the final six games (including two playoff contests), Shields intercepted four passes, returning one for an early TD in the divisional-round loss at San Francisco.
 
Shields could be considered a rising star, as is Hayward. A second-round draft pick, Hayward led the Packers and all NFL rookies with six interceptions. He also led Green Bay with 25 passes defensed in the regular season (one more than Williams), as he settled into the slot corner role in the nickel package the Packers employ more than any other on defense. Even if Hayward doesn’t become a starter on the outside in base, he’s a de facto starter in the slot in nickel.
 
House has only a half-season’s games under his belt through two years, due to injuries, but he remains an intriguing and promising prospect. He had surgery on his troublesome shoulder this offseason and hopes to show what he can do at full health. Playing with a shoulder harness last season, he had multiple pass break-ups five times over a span of six games while Shields was out.
 
Veteran Jarrett Bush and practice-squad holdover James Nixon round out the depth chart at corner. Bush has filled in when needed in the past, but look for the Packers to continue developing young players to keep the position well-stocked. It’s a necessity in a pass-oriented league.
 
At safety there are more questions for the Packers as they look for a full-time starter alongside Morgan Burnett. With Woodson gone, Burnett is the new veteran at the position, heading into just his fourth season.
 
M.D. Jennings and Jerron McMillian both played extensively last season while Woodson was injured and will be given the opportunity to prove they can be long-term answers. If either can smooth out the ups and downs from 2012, that could free up the more consistent Burnett (two sacks, two interceptions) to make more big plays in 2013.
 
Another youngster, Sean Richardson, could get his shot as well, provided he returns from a neck injury in good health. At 6-2, 216, Richardson is considerably bigger than Jennings or McMillian, and he was just starting to make an impact on special teams as an undrafted rookie last year when the neck injury ended his season.
 
With practice-squad holdover Chaz Powell the only other safety currently on the roster, the Packers may invest a draft pick or two at the position. In a draft said to possess considerable safety talent, spending a high pick is a distinct possibility. The only safeties the Packers have selected in the past five drafts are Burnett (third round, 2010) and McMillian (fourth round, 2012).
 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 24, 2013, 01:46:33 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/24/report-chiefs-interested-in-alex-smith-luke-joeckel/

If the 49ers KC's #1 pick in return for Alex Smith I'm gonna be sick.

More likely they'd get KC's 2nd which is still 33rd overall.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on February 24, 2013, 04:31:47 pm
To the (near) victors go the spoils....if we knew how to develop talent, we could cash in on the draft and FA as well.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 24, 2013, 05:07:47 pm
I'm thinking.

 Theyre already talking about expanding the field Packy, for "safety reasons".

 
To the (near) victors go the spoils....if we knew how to develop talent, we could cash in on the draft and FA as well.

 Yeah with a buncha coaches who just got into Dodge City yesterday.

 If Trestman and Emery can put together what Harbough got in Frisco (most of the OL was in place before)

 it would sound good and then we could get Randy Moss and others.

 Trouble is Trestman and Emery have to build an OL first.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 25, 2013, 10:29:47 am
The Green Bay Packers have been pondering whether to bring back receiver Greg Jennings or not, now that he is set to hit free agency, but it sounds as if the team would be willing to keep him via the franchise tag.

According to NFL.com's Ian Rapoport, the team is considering using the lucrative tag on Jennings:
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 25, 2013, 10:33:14 am
Yeah it's sounding like either Jennings or Finley will get the tag.

It will be interesting to see which direction they go with that.

http://nfltraderumors.co/packers-torn-on-whether-or-not-to-retain-te-jermichael-finley-bears-could-be-an-option/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on February 25, 2013, 03:00:50 pm
I'm interested to see where this guy winds up:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/25/little-doubt-alex-smith-gets-traded/

The smart money seems to be favoring the Chiefs, at least at this point.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 25, 2013, 06:26:41 pm
If GB tags Jennings it could be a win-win.  Trade him if they can or keep him if not.  Neither way is really  a bad situation.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 25, 2013, 06:45:57 pm
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 25, 2013, 4:30 PM EST
 
Getty Images
Tom Brady has a new contract with the Patriots, and it’s a rare instance of a high-profile player’s contract being notable for not breaking the bank.
 
According to Peter King of Sports Illustrated, Brady has agreed to a deal that adds three years to his commitment to the Patriots, while paying him $27 million in additional money. He’s now locked up through the 2017 season, when he’ll be 40 years old.
 
King reports that Brady will get a $3 million signing bonus immediately and will play for base salaries of $7 million in 2015, $8 million in 2016 and $9 million in 2017.
 
Those salaries are nowhere near what elite quarterbacks typically get. But Brady was apparently willing to do a deal that pays him only a little more money now (and yes, for an elite NFL quarterback, that $3 million signing bonus is only “a little”) for the long-term security of knowing that he’s got a contract that effectively makes him a Patriot for life.

GOOD!   ;-)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 25, 2013, 06:48:14 pm
Posted by Josh Alper on February 25, 2013, 3:24 PM EST
 
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Before Cullen Jenkins signed on with the Eagles, he was a member of the Green Bay Packers’ defensive line.
 
Now that Jenkins has been released by the Eagles, there’s word that he’d like to return to his old stomping grounds. Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel heard from a source that Jenkins “would be interested” in returning to the Packers now that he’s on the open market. Jenkins had 11.5 sacks over his final two seasons with the Packers and had 9.5 over the last two years with the Eagles.
 
With Jerel Worthy’s status unclear because of a torn ACL, a reunion could make sense for the Packers as well. They are reportedly set to talk to former Giant Chris Canty in the coming days, so there seems to be interest in the idea of veteran help on the defensive line and Jenkins has familiarity with the system already.
 
Silverstein thinks Canty’s a better fit, but it would seem that the Packers have a couple of options available to them if they choose to bolster their line ahead of the start of free agency...
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 25, 2013, 07:13:21 pm
Does Jenkins fit the current 3/4 scheme or is he a 4/3 guy?
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Post by: yapper on February 26, 2013, 10:06:17 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/26/steven-jackson-to-void-final-year-of-contract-test-free-agency/

Wow.  If the Packers get this guy their offense will be unstoppable.

Hope he goes to the Patriots instead.
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Post by: dallasbear on February 26, 2013, 10:09:28 am
Does Jenkins fit the current 3/4 scheme or is he a 4/3 guy?

He can play both...11 1/2 sacks with GB his last 2  years there playing the 3-4. 

The question is will GB pay a 30+ year old the money he thinks he deserves.  Canty may be the better option for them.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 26, 2013, 11:21:25 am
Well would you rather pay Melton 8 mill or Jenkins? I dont believe we can pay both Urlacher and Melton. I dont think we have cap room for both. Just saying
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Post by: boogie on February 26, 2013, 11:25:58 am
Reports out of New Orleans have the Saints passing on the option of using the franchise tag on left tackle Jermon Bushrod, leaving them a little less than two weeks to secure a long-term contract that would keep Bushrod from hitting the open market.
 
There haven’t been any serious talks about such a deal yet, but Bushrod thinks that things are about to get “interesting” on that front. Bushrod explained that he wants to remain in New Orleans for the long term, but he’s seen other players get bigger deals elsewhere and knows that his time with the team could be drawing to a close.
 
“But at the end of the day, the business aspect is going to come out and that’s just something you have to be prepared for and ready for. There should be no hard feelings,” Bushrod said, via Larry Holder of the New Orleans Times-Picayune. “Every single player that’s left and gone to another team, they’ve definitely appreciated the experience here in New Orleans. You can’t get your feelings too wrapped into this. It’s a tough situation. But sometimes, you may have to experience change. Things aren’t always going to remain the same.”
 
Thanks to their tight cap situation and the flood of tackles expected to hit the market next month, it seems likely that the Saints will see what kind of prices the market is willing to pay before deciding on who will wind up on Drew Brees‘ blindside in 2013 and beyond.
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Post by: yapper on February 26, 2013, 11:33:35 am
I can't see Emery making a serious run at Cullen Jenkins.  He is way too old to fit Emery's M.O. as concerns FAs.

Not to mention, letting a young, homegrown DT go just as he's hitting his peak, in favor of a beat-up old guy with two years left at best, doesn't make any sense at all.

I could see the Cowboys taking a look at him, though.
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Post by: yapper on February 26, 2013, 11:36:59 am
As for the Saints situation...  the conventional wisdom is that with Brees taking such a rich contract, they're gonna have trouble keeping a good OL in place.  Brees could wind up being a very wealthy man who ends up taking a lot of hits the next couple of years... 

Up to this point the Saints have been able to get by relatively cheap on the OL by coaching-up mid-round O-Linemen into Pro Bowl players.  But now without Kromer, that plan may be a lot harder to sustain.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 26, 2013, 11:52:07 am
Well IF Emery has to pay Urlacher 11 Mill and Melton 8 Mill You arent going to have enough money under the cap to buy a cup of coffee. Something has to give. If you franchise Melton it'll cost you 8 Mill I thought I heard. If you dont sign Melton you need a replacement and on our roster I doubt we have that. We have the bodies but not the talent. I was just trying to suggest an alternative to Melton that would be cheaper. The biggest cap eater (defensively) other than Urlacher is Peppers. If there wasnt a cap I would say just pay Melton a fair price and forget it. Thats why I've said all along you need to let Urlacher walk and find a suitable replacement out of the draft. Emery seems to be determined to re-sign Urlacher. He has flirted with Te'o and seems to be jumping on the we must sign Urlacher bandwagon.
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Post by: boogie on February 26, 2013, 11:56:32 am
No way they can pay Urlacher 11 mil.  Melton 8 maybe, unless they can do a long term deal and spread out the signing bonus.  ANd it would be nice if Peppers restructured his contract to provide some cap space.
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Post by: dallasbear on February 26, 2013, 12:01:53 pm

They need to pay Urlacher something much much less than $11M...maybe less than half that amount with incentives. 

Melton is a priority signing.
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Post by: yapper on February 26, 2013, 12:08:27 pm
I'm really starting to wonder if we're gonna be able to do much of anything in FA.

By the time we re-sign Melton and Urlacher, the money is gone.  Even if we re-structure some of our other contracts we MIGHT have enough for two 2nd-level FAs or maybe one Tier-1a guy.  That's about it, and that's not nearly the quantity or quality of help outside the draft that I think a lot of us were hoping for.  It sucks that we have to deal with the Melton thing this year but that's how the contract played out and if it wasn't him it probably would have been someone else -- so we've got to figure out how to handle that without it coming at the expense of our offense yet again.

And that doesn't even account for re-signing Jonathan Scott, which I think is practically a must-do unless they truly believe Carimi can get it done this year or they're committed to drafting a new Day One starter at RT.

The bottom line is that whatever Emery is able to afford for FAs, they're gonna have to give us a lot more bang for the buck than we got from Bush, Campbell and the ST pickups last year.  With only 5 draft picks we don't have any margin for error.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 26, 2013, 12:51:53 pm
I listened to a Score interview with Shaun Jensen. He insists Urlacher will be healthier this year and his value will improve. He also said there are no replacements in this draft. Although I find that hard to believe from what I saw of Urlacher last season. He looked done. He compared Urlacher to Ray Lewis, saying that Lewis's teammates wanted to play for Ray. He said Urlacher this year couldnt be any worse than Ray Lewis was last year. As skeptical as I am, I'll have to see it to believe it. All I know is they better sign Roach too.
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Post by: yapper on February 26, 2013, 12:54:39 pm
He also said there are no replacements in this draft.

Good to hear if it's true and it doesn't surprise me after seeing Ogletree, Te'o, Minter and Arthur Brown all lay eggs at the Combine.  An extremely average bunch. We've got bigger fish to fry and not many picks to do it with.

Urlacher this year couldnt be any worse than Ray Lewis was last year.

I would agree with that. 

Urlacher didn't look that great at certain points last season, but even at his worst he didn't look as bad as Ray Lewis did in the SuperBowl.   The Ravens won that trophy despite his performance on the field, not because of it.

You also have to consider that with a new DC and a new LBs coach, there may be the opportunity for some fresh thinking in regard to how Urlacher is used (and not used) this upcoming season.  He's not the athletic freak he was when he came into the league but he still brings a lot to the table.  Hopefully they can put him in positions where success depends more on his game savvy, instincts and experience and less on sheer physical ability.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 26, 2013, 01:36:16 pm
Yeah but no way do we pay Urlacher any wheres near 11 Mill. Personally I wouldnt pay him 8 Mill. But thats just me. You have to pay Roach. He is all you have, like it or not. Just my opinion but if we sign all our guys there wont be any FAs to sign. Lots of luck with that. I cant see paying Melton big money either.

And they have to get their own players signed this week or else FA will be right upon them. I cant see franchising Melton either. And you know if you dont Jerry Jones will be overpaying to get Melton.
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Post by: yapper on February 26, 2013, 01:46:54 pm
The Cowboys are definitely a strong potential landing spot for Melton if we don't get him locked down.  Between Jerrah's deep pockets, the Marinelli connection and the fact that Melton grew up and went to college in Texas.

That's really not something I want to see happen... especially since we play them this year.
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Post by: wmljohn on February 26, 2013, 01:48:43 pm
There was a good conversation this morning on the DC sports radio waves regarding the Deadskins sueing the NFL to delay the start of Free Agency.  They are trying to get back the 18 million of the 36 in cap space that they were fined last year by the commish.  If they file the suite and the courts do not let the Free Agent season open on schedule thus putting the whole NFL on hold what kind of backlash is Washington going to recevie?

Of course here in DC all their fans are for it saying that the Redskins have nothing to lose.  They are either going to win and get their 18 million in space back (or partial) or they are going to lose and they are in the same boat they are anyway. 

I think if they put the whole NFL on hold, start airing dirty laundry of practices from around the league and not let players even negotiate with anyone would be a HUGE mistake.  They might be blackballed by all FA if they do something like that.  Not to mention **** off every NFL fan of every team in the league.

What does everyone think of this?  I only get to hear the Deadskins fans that think it is a great idea.
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Post by: wmljohn on February 26, 2013, 01:49:46 pm
The Cowboys are in the same boat with the deadskins.  They also lost cap space because of their practices during the uncapped year.  Not as much as Washington but they lost too.

Or was anyone else aware that Free Agency might not open as expected?
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 26, 2013, 01:58:57 pm
I  hadnt heard that
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Post by: wmljohn on February 26, 2013, 02:05:23 pm
Redskins considering nuclear option to restore cap space
Posted by Mike Florio on February 25, 2013, 4:35 PM EST


Last year, the NFL stripped $36 million in cap space from the Redskins, who along with the Cowboys apparently took the term “uncapped year” too literally in 2010.

In response, the Redskins employed half-measures to recover the cap dollars, filing a grievance under the labor deal that did nothing other than stir up a cockeyed collusion claim from the NFLPA.

This year, with half of the penalty due to hit the 2013 salary cap, the Redskins could be opting for a more complete assault on the league’s position.  Or at least threatening it.

According to Mark Maske and Mike Jones of the Washington Post, the Redskins are spreading the word in Indianapolis that they’re considering legal action aimed at delaying the start of free agency while litigation proceeds regarding the question of whether the Redskins’ legal rights were violated.  The Redskins are telling agents that any contract talks will be delayed until the situation is resolved.

If the Redskins proceed, it would be a big deal.  And if they delay the start of free agency until their claims are resolved, it would be a huge deal.

We addressed the situation a couple of weeks ago, reporting that the Redskins were still upset about the situation but explaining that their options are limited.  They could bebluffing about going to court in order to get, for example, half of their cap money back (i.e., the $18 million that would apply to this year’s cap).  But the NFL could choose to call their bluff and go to court.

Either way, Daniel Snyder could be inching toward ground previously occupied by the late Al Davis:  Snyder could soon be suing his partners.

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Post by: wmljohn on February 26, 2013, 02:07:51 pm
There is talk that if the suite if filed that FA might be delayed until AFTER the NFL draft.
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Post by: wmljohn on February 26, 2013, 02:08:58 pm
And one of the teams that might get their business practices looked at during the uncapped year is the Bears.  The Deadskins have pointed to the Peppers contract handed out that year.
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Post by: yapper on February 26, 2013, 02:21:35 pm
There is talk that if the suite if filed that FA might be delayed until AFTER the NFL draft.

Wow...  that could complicate teams' draft preparations big-time as any scenarios that assumed certain teams meeting certain needs via FA would have to be discarded. 

If the Skins go ahead with that, then it's good they got the trade made for RGIII that they did because no other team is going to do another deal with them for a long, long time.
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Post by: Pekin on February 26, 2013, 07:49:34 pm
Urlacher made 8 million I think last year and said he knew he was not going to get another big contract.  I think the Bears can get him for way less then 11 million next year.

If the Redskins take the NFL to court they will become the new Raiders flagged constantly for ticky tacky **** all day long.  Their fans better reconsider.  Al Davis and the Raider fans payed that price for taking the other owners to court.
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Post by: yapper on February 26, 2013, 08:29:22 pm
Their fans, unfortunately, have no say in the matter.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 26, 2013, 09:50:09 pm
Urlacher made 8 million I think last year and said he knew he was not going to get another big contract.  I think the Bears can get him for way less then 11 million next year.

If the Redskins take the NFL to court they will become the new Raiders flagged constantly for ticky tacky **** all day long.  Their fans better reconsider.  Al Davis and the Raider fans payed that price for taking the other owners to court.

I dont know. I thought it was more than that. You only have about 10 Mill in cap space, I'm supposing thats in and above what salaries were for last year. Melton had to be cheap and now is going to be expensive and you MUST re-sign Roach too. There are others who need to be paid too I believe, some CBs and the backup RT. And how much has to be set aside for your draftees?
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 27, 2013, 05:44:43 am
Where did the 11 million number for Urlacher come into the conversation?  If that is for 3 years, I think that is a good deal.  A year too long maybe, but that is about where he is money wise.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 27, 2013, 08:01:46 am
GB, I thought Urlacher made 11 last year. And I dont know why that number sticks in my mind that he was paid last year. I wouldd hope that number is less. I have no idea where to find the actual amounts Bear players were paid. I usually go by what I hear like on the Score
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Post by: yapper on February 27, 2013, 08:11:00 am
http://www.altiusdirectory.com/Sports/chicago-bears-salaries.html

Some of these guys are no longer on the team but it gives you a general idea.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 27, 2013, 09:33:07 am
And its not up to date. Look at Forte. He got his money and it isnt shown. It shows a cap of 118 Mill which is like 10 under the cap which is about what I said but it doesnt acount for
Forte either.

It shows Urlacher with a salary of 7.5 Mill but a cap hit of 9.2. I am supposing that reflects incentives and maybe bonus money spread out over the life of the deal. The Bears dont have a lot of cap room to sign any additional players. They need to concentrate in bringing back whoever they intend to keep who are FAs.

An 8 Mill tag on Melton might be catastrophic.
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Post by: boogie on February 27, 2013, 11:40:28 am
The Chiefs apparently have their quarterback now, but they paid a handsome price for him.

According to Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News, the 49ers will get a second-round pick this year and “a similar pick in the 2014 draft” in exchange for quarterback Alex Smith.

That’s a haul for the 49ers, who have more draft picks than will ever make their roster this year (which could put them in prime position to make a run at disgruntled Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis).

Paying that kind of price also speaks to the Chiefs figuring out a deal to extend Smith, since that kind of price for two years seems excessive.

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Post by: yapper on February 27, 2013, 11:47:13 am
The Niners have become the Patriots of the NFC.

Their front office and the Seahawks are showing the rest of the conference how it's done.  Hope Emery is taking notes.

The consensus seems to be that the Chiefs got reamed in this deal but you have to be happy for Alex Smith.  He gets a fresh start as the uncontested starter with a QB-friendly coach on a team that is not nearly as lacking in talent as its record indicates.  Plus Smith has always struck me as a low-key, laid back kind of guy and so the lifestyle in KC may be a lot more to his liking.
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Post by: yapper on February 27, 2013, 02:20:52 pm
One LT off the market:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/27/giants-re-sign-will-beatty-before-he-gets-to-market/
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Post by: boogie on February 27, 2013, 02:50:15 pm
Dude you got to change that name:

The Jaguars released offensive tackle Guy Whimper, quarterback John Parker Wilson and defensive back Brandon King, the club announced Wednesday.

Whimper, 29, was primarily a reserve in 2012 for Jacksonville. He started six games, four at right tackle. The previous season, Whimper made 15 starts at right tackle for the Jaguars. The 6-foot-5, 315-pound Whimper has made 22 career starts, all with Jacksonville. He could appeal to clubs looking for veteran tackle depth.

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Post by: yapper on February 27, 2013, 02:52:02 pm
"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 27, 2013, 03:16:42 pm

 If Emery and Trestman are the start of somthing new ...

 that can lead to a SUPERBOWL ... some son of a **** may have to take a paycut.

 Now it comes down to greed vs. team.

 Alotta fuuuckers on DA BEARRSSE have already made so much money that taking a paycut ...

 could get you that SUPERBOWL ring ...  by freeing up money,and thats what you play your heart out for ...

 money is meaningless ... THE RING. SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONS ! Thats all that counts.
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Post by: packrat on February 27, 2013, 06:53:45 pm
I can't see Emery making a serious run at Cullen Jenkins.  He is way too old to fit Emery's M.O. as concerns FAs.

Not to mention, letting a young, homegrown DT go just as he's hitting his peak, in favor of a beat-up old guy with two years left at best, doesn't make any sense at all.

I could see the Cowboys taking a look at him, though.

I would like to see Thompson make a run at him.  He is getting old but has experience in the Packers D and was a good team player.  I seriously doubt that Thompson will do it, though.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 27, 2013, 08:39:08 pm

 Very rarely do we trade within our own division.
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Post by: 46 on February 27, 2013, 09:31:43 pm
yahoo stating the 9er's are making a run for Revis. Yikes!  These guys are loaded, and have no cap problems?  Ted Phillips is a damn beancounter and the Bears are up against the wall? He and the Jer shoud be Keelhauled under an ore carrier and dumped in whitefish bay. symbolically of course. or not.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 27, 2013, 10:35:56 pm
yahoo stating the 9er's are making a run for Revis. Yikes!  These guys are loaded, and have no cap problems?  Ted Phillips is a damn beancounter and the Bears are up against the wall? He and the Jer shoud be Keelhauled under an ore carrier and dumped in whitefish bay. symbolically of course. or not.

 Are Revis' best days behind him ? On the other hand if you feel one need to plug in and play ...

 and need a last gasp effort ...
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Post by: yapper on February 28, 2013, 08:19:42 am
More evidence the Niners know their stuff...

Not only did dumping Alex Smith get them a high 2nd round pick this year and a quality pick next year, it also cleared over $9 mil of cap space for them.  And this with a roster that is already Top-5 in the league for talent beyond question.

I hope Emery is taking notes cause that front office in San Fran is doing work.  I understand that Angelo's damage can't all be undone in a year (more like 3 or 4), but teams like the Niners and Seahawks are setting the bar damn high.
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Post by: yapper on March 01, 2013, 01:08:19 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/01/jennings-looking-for-as-much-as-12-million-per-year/

LOL...  good luck with that.  He's not THAT good.
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Post by: boogie on March 01, 2013, 09:29:47 pm
Wow:

Agent Joe Linta wanted quarterback Joe Flacco to be the highest-paid quarterback in football.
 
On the surface, Flacco will be.
 
Per Adam Schefter of ESPN, the deal covers six year, with a payout in excess of $120 million.
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Post by: yapper on March 01, 2013, 09:58:31 pm
It's unfathomable to me for Flacco to be paid more than Peyton Manning, Brady or Brees.

But so it goes when you win the SuperBowl I guess.
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Post by: Phill23 on March 02, 2013, 01:46:26 am
Well he did beat two of those QB's enroute to a Super Bowl title. 
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Post by: yapper on March 02, 2013, 08:15:12 am
Even more ridiculous is that Matt Ryan supposedly wants the same numbers as Flacco.
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Post by: Keysbear on March 02, 2013, 09:12:21 am
The price for Rodgers just skyrocketed for the Pack
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Post by: yapper on March 02, 2013, 09:51:04 am
At this rate we might want to think about getting Cutler locked up.

OTOH if he isnt a fit with Trestman and he bombs this year...

Tough call.
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Post by: packrat on March 02, 2013, 07:12:12 pm
The price for Rodgers just skyrocketed for the Pack

Brady's contract helps the picture for GB.  I don't think Rodgers wsill make it a big deal to get the biggest contract.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 04, 2013, 03:42:57 pm

 Swap Rodgers for Cutler ?
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Post by: Sportster on March 04, 2013, 07:44:23 pm
Ryan? LOL! Yea, riiiight.....
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 05, 2013, 03:38:34 pm
Ryan? LOL! Yea, riiiight.....
Whos Ryan ?

 Going into this with a GM with one year under his belt who may have been influenced by the old angelo/lovie regime for last years draft ...

 this is going to be new ... Emery/Trestman. A whole new coaching staff.

 Well ... this is what we wanted.
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Post by: packrat on March 05, 2013, 07:41:56 pm
Report: Goodell tells friends he fears a player will die on the field
Last Updated 3:56 PM, March 5, 2013 EST


You could have said this every years since the NFL began.
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Post by: Pekin on March 05, 2013, 07:57:01 pm
Someone could die at my work as well and we do not get paid millions of dollars. 
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Post by: Sportster on March 05, 2013, 09:21:58 pm
QB Ryan.....Dirty Birdies, JJ....
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Post by: dallasbear on March 06, 2013, 09:21:06 am
Report: Goodell tells friends he fears a player will die on the field
Last Updated 3:56 PM, March 5, 2013 EST


In 1971, my first year of watching pro football, a Lion died on the field in a game against the Bears....Chuck Hughes.

http://blog.detroitathletic.com/2011/10/24/40-years-ago-lions-receiver-chuck-hughes-died-on-tiger-stadium-gridiron/
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Post by: 46 on March 06, 2013, 09:47:35 am
Yep. I was going to post somethng similar, but couldn't remember the man's name.  Goodell has worn out his welcome times 5.  Leave or shut up already.
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Post by: Phill23 on March 06, 2013, 12:48:43 pm
The Super Bowl in New York may be his waterloo. 
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Post by: 46 on March 06, 2013, 01:03:25 pm
Was that all on him?  Clown.
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Post by: Phill23 on March 06, 2013, 01:11:05 pm
I think he pushed for it.
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Post by: packrat on March 06, 2013, 04:31:13 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on March 6, 2013, 4:41 PM EST
 
Getty Images
Like many of you, I first became aware of DirecTV in 1994, when the company provided football fans the opportunity, for the first time ever, to watch every NFL game.  For 18-plus years since then, DirecTV has had the exclusive ability to make every game available.
 
That could soon be ending.
 
DirecTV CFO Pat Doyle said at a Wednesday investors conference that, if the price goes up too high when the current NFL Sunday Ticket deal expires after the 2014 season, DirecTV would consider “striking a non-exclusive deal with the NFL or possibly even dropping the popular package,” writes the Hollywood Reporter, via SportsBusiness Daily.
 
The fact that there’s no new deal only two seasons away from expiration of the current contract isn’t a good sign, given that the NFL usually extends these things years in advance.  Complicating matters is the fact that the popularity of the RedZone channel, now available via cable, has made the Sunday Ticket package less important to many fans.  Also, the availability of every game on NFL Rewind after the fact reduces the attractiveness of features that previously were exclusive to DirecTV.
 
Thus, with the money going up and the exclusivity being carved away, it’s no surprise that DirecTV is considering passing on the package.  The question becomes whether the ability to watch all games would instead be sold to a cable provider — or to multiple cable providers.
 
Regardless of how it turns out, the fact that there’s no deal less than two years away from the expiration of the current one suggests that change is coming for the way fans purchase the ability to watch any/all Sunday afternoon games.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 06, 2013, 05:08:39 pm

 Goodell was there at the G.B. game when that G.B. fan farted ... over 50 people in the hospital.

 I backed his idea at the time of issuing gas masks to fans ... but it hasnt happened since.

 I think we should take a wait and see attitude.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 07, 2013, 08:21:58 am

Competition is good and DirectTV is not making as much as they have in the past.  Prices in 2011 were over $300 for a standard subscription.  Last year they dropped to just under $200.

DirecTV better think long and hard about dropping the NFL Sunday Ticket - there are many customers that will ditch the dish and move over to their competitors like Verizon Fios.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 07, 2013, 09:57:22 am
Maybe the steady increse of money to the NFL coffers is nearing an end.  Except forthe national inflationary trend the milk cow may be  beginning to dry up.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on March 07, 2013, 11:22:49 am
My income certainly has not kept pace with inflation
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Post by: wmljohn on March 07, 2013, 02:51:46 pm
Quote
DirecTV better think long and hard about dropping the NFL Sunday Ticket - there are many customers that will ditch the dish and move over to their competitors like Verizon Fios.

BINGO!  My wife has wanted to drop DirecTV and get the TV package from Verizon Fios for years now.  We already have the phone and internet from Fios.  I have not let it happen because of the NFL season ticket.  Everytime the Cable company calls asking me to switch the first thing I ask is do you have the NFL season ticket (already knowing the answer to that).  When they say no I say no thanks, I will stick with DirecTV.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 07, 2013, 03:05:00 pm

Yep, and they keep calling you and sending you brochures in the mail for their great $89/month bundle deals.  Tempting, but I got to have my Bears. 

We'll see what DirecTV does with pricing this fall - this NFL rewind might be an option since I usually record the games anyway.
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Post by: yapper on March 07, 2013, 03:33:34 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/07/report-john-abraham-to-visit-seahawks/

Yikes...  a healthy John Abraham on that Seahawks defense?  Look out QBs.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 07, 2013, 09:23:48 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/07/report-john-abraham-to-visit-seahawks/

Yikes...  a healthy John Abraham on that Seahawks defense?  Look out QBs.

 They have the secondary down to a science ... of course we sent two secondary to the Pro-Bowl.

 If yer a BEARS fan ... you gotta be able to brag here somwheres.  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 08, 2013, 02:42:39 pm
Wow...  today is a bad day to be an old, highly paid DB.  All cuts announced today:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/chargers-get-out-of-the-atari-bigby-business/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/panthers-cut-chris-gamble/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/cardinals-cut-adrian-wilson/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/jaguars-release-aaron-ross-in-secondary-makeover/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 10, 2013, 01:45:11 pm
Wow...  today is a bad day to be an old, highly paid DB.  All cuts announced today:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/chargers-get-out-of-the-atari-bigby-business/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/panthers-cut-chris-****/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/cardinals-cut-adrian-wilson/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/jaguars-release-aaron-ross-in-secondary-makeover/

 LMAO ! The board cut Chris GAAAAAMBLES name ! Thats funny.  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 11, 2013, 12:17:08 pm
Well, that was fast.

The Vikings had “no intent” to trade receiver Percy Harvin.  And they traded him anyway.

Jay Glazer of FOX reports that Harvin has been traded to the Seahawks, pending a physical.

The deal can be finalized at 4:00 p.m. ET on Tuesday, when the new league year begins.

It’s not known who else was interested.  Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Seahawks were “far and away” the most aggressive.

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Post by: boogie on March 11, 2013, 12:30:41 pm
The full terms of the Percy Harvin trade aren’t yet known.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the compensation includes at least a first-round pick.

There may or may not be more.  For now, the Vikings get at least the Seahawks’ 2013 first-round pick, the 25th overall selection.

It gives the Vikings two out of three selections in the 20s:  No. 23 and No. 25.  For a year in which the first 25 selections are regarded to be relatively equivalent, that’s not a bad thing.

Especially since it was clear that Harvin didn’t want to play for the Vikings.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 11, 2013, 12:36:40 pm
Vikings made out like bandits, even if "all" they got was Seattle's 1st rounder. 

They dumped an injury prone malcontent and now have the firepower to either get two good players at the bottom of the 1st, or package them to move up and get a GREAT player.  They probably can't replace Harvin with a single player, but with those two picks they could very easily snag a Tavon Austin for speed and one of the bigger WRs and be good to go for years.

As for Harvin, he's going to a state where he can smoke all the weed he wants legally, so he's got to be stoked too.  He has history with the Seahawks OC (Bevell) so that may have played a part as well.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 11, 2013, 01:00:48 pm

I think the Seahawks could come out looking pretty good myself.  Harvin will turn 25 this spring and although he only played in 9 games this season he missed a total of 3 games the previous 3 seasons.  Seahawks are now pretty well stocked at wideout with Harvin, Sydney Rice, Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin.

Seahawks can play defense and can run the ball - and they just improved their only weakness which was their passing game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 11, 2013, 01:37:36 pm
Apparently the Vikings get the Seahawks 1st and 7th round picks this year, and a "mid rounder" next year.

Not sure if next year's pick is being vaguely stated on purpose, or if it's conditional.  Given Harvin's past issues it could very well be conditional on how he does on and/or off the field this upcoming season.

I'm not glad to see the Seahawks get stronger but I'm glad Harvin is out of our division.  When he's healthy and his mind is right, he's a tough guy to play against.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 11, 2013, 01:45:49 pm
I think the Seahawks could come out looking pretty good myself.  Harvin will turn 25 this spring and although he only played in 9 games this season he missed a total of 3 games the previous 3 seasons.  Seahawks are now pretty well stocked at wideout with Harvin, Sydney Rice, Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin.

Seahawks can play defense and can run the ball - and they just improved their only weakness which was their passing game.

I think the Seachickens won this deal.  Their offense will be as powerful as the 29ers next season with Harvin in the fold.  The Vikes need all the help they can get at WR for their QB but now they'll have to try a replacement for Harvin either through free agency or drafting an inexperienced player.  Peterson can only take you so far.

I think it'll hurt the Vikings offensively and I'm sure the Bears won't have an issue with that!  :)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 11, 2013, 01:48:48 pm
Depends on what the Vikings do with those picks.

They drafted pretty well last year, getting two stud first-year starters (TE Rudolph and S Harrison Smith) and a solid contributor (WR Jarius Wright), all in the first 4 rounds.  So we'll see.

The other thing is that Ponder's ability to throw downfield is limited to say the least so the speed element of Harvin's game was pretty much going to waste up there. 
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Post by: Phill23 on March 11, 2013, 01:55:01 pm
So you expect the Vikes to draft a receiver with one of those 2 picks and make an immediate impact than Harvin?  That'll be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 11, 2013, 02:03:25 pm

Rudolph came in the 2011 draft with Ponder.  In 2012 they drafted Kahlil and Harrison Smith in round 1.  Both excellent picks.   Also picked up their kicker Walsh.

I guess Jarius Wright is their starter now along with Michael Jenkins.  I think they recently cut Jerome Simpson. 

Looks like WR for the Vikes in round 1 with at least one of their picks.  Ponder will need all the help he can get.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 11, 2013, 02:11:39 pm
Dallas, thanks for the correction on Rudolph.

And yeah I guess if Ponder doesn't have the arm to make use of Harvin then Tavon Austin wouldn't be a real intelligent pick for the Vikings either.

I thought the Vikings had cut Jenkins and kept Simpson...  in any event, they have holes at WR regardless.  A lot of mocks have WR and DT as needs 1 and 1a for the Vikings so with two picks in the mid-20s they could do well this year given the depth of the draft at those positions.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 11, 2013, 02:30:13 pm

You are correct - Vikes cut the more productive Jenkins.  FA Jennings might be a good fit there cuz Simpson and Jarius Wright with Ponder at QB means another 2000 yards for AP.

Just wondering if anyone ever compared the collegiate production or combine stats of Rudolph vs Eifert.  If I knew Eifert was as good as Rudolph I'd take him at 20 over Fluker and not trade down.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on March 11, 2013, 03:11:58 pm
Was just listening to one of the NFL channels  on satellite and they had a local sports talk radio guy from Seattleon . He said the calls to his show were running 60% or more against the deal.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 11, 2013, 03:21:42 pm
Harvin has acted-out against every HC he's had dating back to his high school days.  The concerns among Seattle fans are not unfounded.

That being said...  Marshawn Lynch was too much for the Bills to handle but he seems to have settled down nicely in the northwest.  So who knows.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 11, 2013, 03:28:38 pm
NFC West tit for tat I guess...   49ers trade for Boldin

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/11/report-ravens-trade-anquan-boldin-to-49ers/

Not quite as rich a deal (6th round pick) but this guy WILL help Kaepernick.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on March 11, 2013, 03:30:11 pm
Niners counter, stealing Anquan Boldin from Baltimore for a 6...
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Post by: yapper on March 11, 2013, 03:42:39 pm
That is a steal for the Niners.  Plus they've still got 15 picks left or something even after that.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 11, 2013, 07:15:59 pm

By
Michael Dulka

Patience


Joe Robbins/Getty Images


One of the biggest keys that has contributed to the Packers' recent success has been the patience of the front office. General Manager Ted Thompson isn't about the first day, big-money signings. He would rather wait and let the market cool before getting into any serious business.

That's something that Packers fans need to understand heading into free agency. The Packers are going to let other teams make high offers and overpay for players while the Packers wait to make their move. After teams blow money on big-name guys, Thompson and his staff will look to find value.

The Packers are in a position where they need to add some veteran talent, but can generally afford to be selective. They have needs on defense, but don't need to look to free agency to fix them. The patient approach should help the team with a strong a free-agency period.
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Post by: packrat on March 11, 2013, 07:28:09 pm
By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel March 10, 2013  EmailPrint|(27) Comments All through the build up to free agency, one name among the Packers' group of soon-to-be free players who has flown under the radar is LB Brad Jones.

Not much has been written about his future, but with the negotiating period open since late Friday night, Jones has been contacted by eight teams, according to his agent, Josh Wright.

No free agent can sign a deal until Tuesday at 3 p.m., but the three-day window leading up to it is a good indicator of who will be the most popular. That eight teams have contact Jones speaks to the enormous turnaround he has had since the start of last season.

Jones, a core special teams player, became a starter at inside linebacker after season-ending injuries to Desmond Bishop (hamstring) and D.J. Smith (knee). It wasn't long before Jones was playing three-down football, serving as the lone linebacker when the defense went to its dime package.

In all, Jones started 10 of 16 games and finished with 77 tackles, two sacks, four pass break-ups and a forced fumble. He was particularly effective in goal-line situations and played physically given his 6-3, 242-pound frame.

The Packers still have some concern about their inside linebacker position because Bishop's return from surgery to re-attach his hamstring muscle isn't a slam dunk and Smith's return in time for training camp is questionable. It is one reason why so many people have predicted the Packers will select an inside linebacker in the draft.

In Jones, someone would be getting a versatile linebacker who will have no problem learning a new defense. He has played both inside and outside and at the least can be a very good addition on special teams.

Whether the Packers value that as much as others or feel for salary cap reasons they can't compete is something that will be known soon.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 11, 2013, 10:15:15 pm

 Free agency starts tomorrow ... the rest of us can only guess.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 12, 2013, 12:33:51 am
Harvin has acted-out against every HC he's had dating back to his high school days.  The concerns among Seattle fans are not unfounded.

That being said...  Marshawn Lynch was too much for the Bills to handle but he seems to have settled down nicely in the northwest.  So who knows.

I know you want choir boys to play for the Bears but if I recall sorta the same things were being said about Brandon Marshall's attitude off and on the field but since he's been here everyone's happy he's here.  I wouldn't have any problems if we would've gotten Harvin because his skills are needed.  He may or may not be a model citizen but everyone deserves a chance.

So what moves has Emery made?  Hmm.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 12, 2013, 01:08:35 am

 
I know you want choir boys to play for the Bears but if I recall sorta the same things were being said about Brandon Marshall's attitude off and on the field but since he's been here everyone's happy he's here.  I wouldn't have any problems if we would've gotten Harvin because his skills are needed.  He may or may not be a model citizen but everyone deserves a chance.

So what moves has Emery made?  Hmm.....

 We dont know yet.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 12, 2013, 07:27:53 am
So what moves has Emery made?  Hmm.....

Nothing. So whats the price of tea in China? So what moves do you think he should make? Oh yeah, bring back Lovie, I know.

Its just that with the cap situation I really dont see much Emery can do by himself.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on March 12, 2013, 08:25:10 am
The same complaints from fans I see in most NFL cities.

"When are we going to sign someone?"
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 12, 2013, 08:31:08 am
The same complaints from fans I see in most NFL cities.

"When are we going to sign someone?"


Or (if you believe in addition by subtraction), "why haven't we cut/traded [overpaid, underperforming player] yet?"

Emery is in stealth Ninja mode right now, no question.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 12, 2013, 09:19:13 am
Absolutely
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Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2013, 09:26:24 am

Dallas newspaper identified 4 FAs the Cowboys should sign - one of them was Idonijie stating his ties with Marinelli and experience with the new defense.

Not sure they can sign anybody.  With their recent cuts and contract re-dos the Cowboys are now under the cap...$175,000 under the cap.

Also, Cowboys released veteran MLB Dan Connor.  He's only 27 and was a first round pick of the Panthers a few years ago.  He started 8 games after starting MLB Sean Lee went down with a foot injury...something like 57 tackles.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 12, 2013, 09:43:19 am
Could Urlacher and Connor wind up trading teams?
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Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2013, 10:02:42 am

Doubtful.  Cowboys have a young MLB in Sean Lee.  One they have no need for a 35 year old MLB and two they don't have any cap to spend and if they do it won't be spent at that position they need offensive lineman, defensive tackles and safeties.  Plus they have lost top backups at CB,  HB and WR.  And I don't know that they have a true SLB on the roster.

I think its more likely that Connor ends up with the Bears then Urlacher with the Cowboys - but even that is highly unlikely unless Urlacher's demands are out of whack.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 12, 2013, 11:06:46 am
And I don't know that they have a true SLB on the roster.

Maybe they make a play for Roach then?

Put it this way...  I will be astounded if at least one current Bear doesn't wind up in a Cowboys uni before it's all said and done.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on March 12, 2013, 01:04:43 pm
Vikes dump Harvin but rumored to be willing to pay another WR 13 mil a year????

Dolphins think Vikings may offer Mike Wallace $13 million a year

Michael David Smith
March 12, 2013, 6:28 AM EDT


The Dolphins have long been viewed as the favorites to land receiver ex-Steelers wide receiver Mike Wallace. But interest from the Vikings will make Wallace expensive.

We’ve already noted that the Vikings’ decision to trade receiver Percy Harvin to the Seahawks makes Minnesota a potential landing spot for Wallace and other free agent receivers. And now there’s word that the Dolphins view the Vikings as their biggest competition for Wallace.

According to Jeff Darlington of NFL Network, the Dolphins expect the Vikings to get involved in the Wallace sweepstakes, and the Dolphins believe that landing Wallace may cost up to $13 million a year.

So as much as the Seahawks are going to benefit from the Harvin trade, Wallace may end up benefiting even more. If two teams are making Wallace their top target in free agency, and if both of those teams are willing to spend heavily to acquire him, then Wallace is about to get paid.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 12, 2013, 02:30:17 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/12/seahawks-to-cut-leon-washington/

Wonder where this guy will wind up?  Returners aren't worth what they used to be, especially at his age.  I don't think he's done yet though.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 12, 2013, 02:44:49 pm
Yeah they've gerrymandered the kick return rules and even talk of doing away with the kick return alltogether.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 12, 2013, 02:51:13 pm
I think Leon Washington and Hester are within a year of each other in age. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2013, 04:31:09 pm

Heard that Wallace went to Miami - sorry Viking fans.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 12, 2013, 04:34:56 pm
Yeah for 6 yrs $65M or something...

Lotta coin for a dude can't even run the whole route tree.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 12, 2013, 04:37:46 pm
The "mid round" 2014 pick the Vikings got for Harvin has been announced as a 3rd rounder.

Not bad...  although I expect that with it being Seattle's pick it will be well toward the bottom of the round.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 12, 2013, 06:26:17 pm
by Devin Shanley, Mar 12 2013, 6:13p

According to the Green Bay Press Gazette's Rob Demovsky there is strong possibility that Greg Jennings will stay with the Packers if he does not sign with another team by midnight.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 12, 2013, 06:28:49 pm
o you think the Indianapolis Colts were desperate for an outside linebacker? I expected Erik Walden to sign with someone other than the Green Bay Packers and I wouldn't have been too surprised if someone gave him a slight raise, but this? Well ... wow.
 


Yes, that's four years and $16 million for a serviceable, but never spectacular outside linebacker. That's ... probably an overpay by double, in years and average yearly salary. I don't blame Walden for having every expectation that he's going to start, because that's borderline starter money.
 
I wish Walden all the best and hopes he lives up to that contract, but I don't think I'm being rude or disrespectful by saying that he did not do enough in Green Bay for the Packers to ever consider giving him a contract of that size. I knew the outside linebacker market was thin, but this is really something else. I'm stunned.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 12, 2013, 06:31:16 pm
The Packers never make a big splash the first day of free agency. It’s a good rule to go by while Ted Thompson is in charge. That may change though….
 


If this deal can be signed then that would be an impressive signing for the Packers. It would give hope that the Packers offense can find some balance in 2013…or at the very least have a running back run for over 100 yards in a game. That would be nice by itself.
 
Jackson is not a spring chicken, nor is he the back that he was a few years ago. That said, he would be an upgrade for the Packers and should have enough left in the tank to provide a legitimate running attack. The Packers have struggled the last couple years with defenses sitting in a two man zone and then focusing on rushing Aaron Rodgers. Having a physical back like Jackson could break up that defensive alignment and force defenses to put more defenders in the box.
 
Obviously this won’t be over until Jackson signs a contract, but it is an unexpected development and something worth keeping an eye on. Here’s hoping.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 12, 2013, 06:34:48 pm
 
Packers Free Agency 2013: Sean Smith Received Contract Offer, Per Report
Ted Thompson and the Green Bay Packers are appearing to be somewhat more active in free agency than initially thought. NFL writer Evan Massey tweeted a little while ago that the Packers have submitted a contract offer to former Miami Dolphin and top free agent cornerback Sean Smith.
 
(I assume Massey means that Smith is weighing options, from the context.)
 
This would bring an interesting wrinkle into the free agency plans for the Packers. Smith started all 16 games in his rookie year of 2009, played 15 games and started 8 in 2010, then started every game in 2011 and 2012. Over that span, Smith has five interceptions, three forced fumbles (all three of those in 2012), and 41 passes defended. He also put up over 50 solo tackles each of the past two seasons. Smith also has played both sides of the defense, playing the right side in his first two years before moving to the left cornerback spot in 2011.
 
What's fascinating is what this could mean for the Packers moving forward. Smith is certainly a talented corner, but he's an impressive physical specimen as well. He stands 6'3" and weighs around 218 pounds, far bigger than any current Packers corner. He also ran his 40-yard dash in around 4.47 seconds at the 2009 Scouting Combine, so speed is not an issue. Smith could feasibly play corner or safety.
 
If he were to come to Green Bay as a corner, that could mean the end of Tramon Williams. However, cutting Williams would leave approximately $4 million of dead money on this year's salary cap to give a net total of $4.5 million in cap savings. It seems likely that signing Smith would require more than $4.5 million this year to sign, especially considering Thompson's reluctance to back-load contracts as much as other teams do.
 
Regardless of whether Smith signs with Green Bay, even offering Smith a contract gives us a reason to speculate about whether Thompson is indeed going to make a bigger splash than usual in free agency this off-season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 13, 2013, 12:56:40 am

 The E/T gradework in F.A. day one ... A+.

 LT and TE are now off the board.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 13, 2013, 03:08:04 pm
No wonder we didnt go after him, $46.8 mil:



The Titans wanted to spend money last year, but neither Peyton Manning nor Mario Williams wanted it.

This year, former Bills guard Andy Levitre was happy to take it.

Per a source with knowledge of the contract, Levitre’s six-year deal is worth $46.8 million.  That’s an average of $7.8 million per year.

Levitre specifically received a $10.5 million signing bonus, a 2013 base salary of $2.5 million, a 2014 base salary of $6.5 million, a 2015 base salary of $6.5 million, a 2016 base salary of $6.5 million, a 2017 base salary of $6.5 million, a 2018 roster bonus of $2 million, and a 2018 base salary of $5.8 million.

Cap numbers are $4.6 million in 2013, $8.6 million in 2014, $8.6 million in 2015, $8.6 million in 2016, $8.6 million in 2017, and $9.9 million in 2018.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 13, 2013, 03:22:17 pm

Indianapolis Colts Sign LB Erik Walden

When a team signs a new free agent, it's always cause for celebration. During a season where every player gained for one team means a player lost for another, adding is always better than subtracting.

Sometimes, though, a player-to-team fit is so bizarre, or the size of their deal is so out of whack with their perceived value that it gives everyone pause. Erik Walden to the Colts is one of those signings.

On the surface, it makes some sense: Walden is a young veteran (just 27 years old) with five years in the NFL and 25 starts in his last two seasons. He puts in a ton of effort and has a high motor. As a starting/rotational left outside linebacker in Green Bay's 3-4, he's a positional fit for the Colts, whose attempt to use their 4-3 ends as 3-4 outside linebackers didn't go well in 2012.

However, Walden's production just isn't there. Pro Football Focus graded Walden dead last among 3-4 outside linebackers last season and assigned him a league-worst minus-25.5 pass-rush grade. With 783 snaps under his belt, PFF charted Walden with just three sacks and zero hurries in 2012.

To put it in perspective, the Colts signed Walden to replace Dwight Freeney.

Worse yet, according to Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Walden signed a four-year, $16 million deal. Unless his game takes a huge step forward, the Colts will have to restructure or release him well before he hits the last year of that deal.

 

Grade: F
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Post by: yapper on March 13, 2013, 03:24:17 pm
Meh...  If that's from the Walter Football site, they gave the Bears a Z-minus grade for signing Bushrod.

Most of the time that site's OK but sometimes those boys just get stupid.
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Post by: packrat on March 13, 2013, 03:27:35 pm

Chicago Bears Sign OT Jermon Bushrod

Jermon Bushrod going to the Chicago Bears might have been both the best fit and worst-kept secret of this free-agency period. The Bears had one of the worst left tackle situations in the NFL, and a quarterback they paid dearly for but couldn’t protect.
 
In a free-agent market saturated with offensive tackles, it was thought Bushrod would be a big upgrade without too big of a price tag for the cap-strapped Bears.
 
Then, the Bears signed Bushrod to a five-year, $36 million contract with $17.7 million guaranteed.
 
Somewhere in the mutual lovefest, the fact that the inconsistent Bushrod was supposed to be affordable was lost.
 
In fact, Bushrod (the 44th-ranked offensive tackle, per Pro Football Focus) barely outperformed incumbent J’Marcus Webb (ranked 47th). In fact, Webb was assigned a plus-1.5 for his pass protection, when Bushrod’s minus-3.5 mark was significantly lower. Bushrod went to the Pro Bowl, but offensive linemen often make it regardless of whether they play well.
 
Bushrod has played much better than he did in 2011, but he’s also played worse. The Bears have to hope they’re getting the best Bushrod there’s ever been—and even then, he might not be worth that contract.
 
Grade: D
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Post by: packrat on March 13, 2013, 03:56:42 pm
Jolly takes pay cut: The Packers reached an agreement to reduce the salary of defensive end Johnny Jolly from $2.521 million to $715,000, saving them approximately $1.8 million of cap space.

Jolly had received the first-round restricted free agent tender of $2.521 million before he was suspended for violating the substance abuse program in 2010. When he was reinstated, his salary went back on the books and he agreed to sign a minimum deal with a split option that cuts the compensation in half if he winds up on injured reserve.

Given his history, the Packers weren't going to pay a lot of money to give Jolly another shot, but they have set things up that he could return. By maintaining their rights to him, they now have more time to talk to him and work him out before deciding whether to keep him on the roster.

Room to maneuver: At the start of free agency, the Packers had almost $18 million in salary cap room, the second most of any team in the NFC North behind Minnesota.

According to NFL Players Association data obtained by the Journal Sentinel, the Packers were $19,298,533 under the salary cap before submitting restricted free agent tenders to Shields ($2.023 million) and Dietrich-Smith ($1.323 million).

Those two moves dropped their cap number to $15,952,533 heading into the start of free agency, but with Jolly's reduction that number increased to $17.75 million. About $5 million of that will be devoted to draft picks and another large portion is expected to be used to sign linebacker Clay Matthews and quarterback Aaron Rodgers to long-term extensions.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 13, 2013, 04:21:13 pm
Chicago Bears Sign OT Jermon Bushrod

Jermon Bushrod going to the Chicago Bears might have been both the best fit and worst-kept secret of this free-agency period. The Bears had one of the worst left tackle situations in the NFL, and a quarterback they paid dearly for but couldn’t protect.
 
In a free-agent market saturated with offensive tackles, it was thought Bushrod would be a big upgrade without too big of a price tag for the cap-strapped Bears.
 
Then, the Bears signed Bushrod to a five-year, $36 million contract with $17.7 million guaranteed.
 
Somewhere in the mutual lovefest, the fact that the inconsistent Bushrod was supposed to be affordable was lost.
 
In fact, Bushrod (the 44th-ranked offensive tackle, per Pro Football Focus) barely outperformed incumbent J’Marcus Webb (ranked 47th). In fact, Webb was assigned a plus-1.5 for his pass protection, when Bushrod’s minus-3.5 mark was significantly lower. Bushrod went to the Pro Bowl, but offensive linemen often make it regardless of whether they play well.
 
Bushrod has played much better than he did in 2011, but he’s also played worse. The Bears have to hope they’re getting the best Bushrod there’s ever been—and even then, he might not be worth that contract.
 
Grade: D


 Packy even you know Bushrod is an upgrade over what we had.

 Chris (thalidomide baby) Williams has proven he could never work and is now off the team.

 Webb is a seventh rounder and played like one.

 Carimi was never in the hunt to play LT.
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Post by: yapper on March 13, 2013, 04:26:44 pm
If Carimi winds up getting cut before this season it will only cement Angelo's legacy of profound incompetence with regards to managing the Bears OL.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 13, 2013, 04:30:50 pm
If Carimi winds up getting cut before this season it will only cement Angelo's legacy of profound incompetence with regards to managing the Bears OL.

 I see him as a RG ... what do you think ?
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Post by: yapper on March 13, 2013, 04:33:52 pm
If it comes down to Carimi at RG I would rather cut bait on him entirely and staff that position with an actual G.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2013, 04:53:24 pm

If Carimi can get healthy he deserves a shot to not only compete for a guard position but for his old RT job. 

This may not be a Chris Williams deja vu scenario...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 13, 2013, 06:10:38 pm
If it comes down to Carimi at RG I would rather cut bait on him entirely and staff that position with an actual G.
If we can get Moore then lets see.

If Carimi can get healthy he deserves a shot to not only compete for a guard position but for his old RT job. 

This may not be a Chris Williams deja vu scenario...

 True dat. I mean we have to get SOMTHING out of these first round Angelo picks .  :D ;D ;)
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Post by: Keysbear on March 13, 2013, 06:12:46 pm
I would just hate it to be another Mark Columbo situation where we gave up too soon and he ended up being pretty good for someone else.
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Post by: navigator on March 13, 2013, 06:14:46 pm
If Carimi is healthy and can play RT and put Webb at swing I think that would be ideal.
I don't think we want Carimi at LT.

The real question is do we bring Scott back.
He did pretty well at RT for us. If Carimi isn't healthy(mentally or physically) it would be bad to let him go.
On the flip side, I doubt we carry 4 tackles on the active roster.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 13, 2013, 06:22:38 pm
If Carimi is healthy and can play RT and put Webb at swing I think that would be ideal.
I don't think we want Carimi at LT.

The real question is do we bring Scott back.
He did pretty well at RT for us. If Carimi isn't healthy(mentally or physically) it would be bad to let him go.
On the flip side, I doubt we carry 4 tackles on the active roster.

 I think coming off of his injury ... Carimi can play RG.
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Post by: yapper on March 14, 2013, 10:11:00 am
Carimi isn't strong enough to be an OG, he's underweight, and his technique (leverage/balance) against interior D-Linemen is terrible.

What helps him at RT (his length) is a big liability on the inside. The last thing you want is a 6'7 OG getting fork-lifted right back into the pocket.

Since he's not suited as a G and can't back up at LT, his best (maybe only) chance at staying on the team is to re-claim the starting RT position outright.  That will be tough to do with Webb in the mix now on that side (who actually CAN back up both sides), and even moreso if we re-sign Scott and/or draft Fluker.
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2013, 12:39:29 pm
As much as I love Fluker he has trouble with speed rushers at RT. So IMHO his best position would be guard, not RT. I would love to see Fluker at LG
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Post by: yapper on March 14, 2013, 12:52:59 pm
I might be making a wrong assumption but I expect that mobility for our OGs is going to be at a premium.  To the extent that Trestman wants to implement pull blocks in the run game, moving pockets for Cutler, etc., our interior guys are gonna have to be able to get out and move, work in space and be effective at the 2nd level.  To me that pretty much rules out big lummoxes like Carimi and Fluker as OG prospects.
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 14, 2013, 01:00:52 pm
Fluker was a power blocker. He was the reason their running game was so superior. Where Fluker failed was with speed rushers in pass protection. I still say he is a guard and a good one.
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Post by: yapper on March 14, 2013, 01:29:17 pm
Fluker is basically a much bigger, much stronger and somewhat more athletic Carimi.  Whether that would translate to success as an NFL OG is hard to say but yes, his deficiencies as an outside pass protector definitely warrant concern.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 16, 2013, 01:42:27 am

 Now all we need to draft is a Center. Jones or Fredrickson ?
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Post by: Sportster on March 16, 2013, 02:24:21 am
Yes
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 16, 2013, 08:06:34 am
If we were to trade down out of #20 into a high 2nd and whatever else we might be in position to get a Fluker or a Barrett Jones there. If we were to trade down I'd like to pickup a 3rd or a very high 4th in the deal since we don't have a 3rd.
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Post by: packrat on March 16, 2013, 02:28:49 pm
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3652/greg-jennings
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Post by: packrat on March 16, 2013, 02:34:38 pm
his just seems to be the perfect end to a disappointing week. It is being reported that former Packers’ tight end Tom Crabtree has signed a deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Since the Packers chose not to place a tender on Crabtree (who was scheduled to be a restricted free agent), the Packers do not have the ability to match the Buccaneers offer. Crabtree was a backup tight end who was able to produce as a blocker, receiver, and on special teams.
 
In many ways this is a similar loss for the Packers as the loss of Jennings. The depth of the team is not going to be desperate to fill his position and there seems to be others on the roster who can step in for Crabtree’s role on the roster. That said it is frustrating to see a smart and scrappy player like Crabtree leave. Losing Crabtree is another disappointment in a long line of disappointments for the first week of free agency including the loss of Greg Jennings and the failure to lock up Steven Jackson or Chris Canty to deals.
 
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Post by: packrat on March 16, 2013, 02:45:57 pm
Well, the news about linebackers is flying in constantly. Mike Garafolo of USA Today and Aaron Nagler of both Cheesehead TV and Bleacher Report have passed along the news that Green Bay Packers inside linebacker A.J. Hawk has agreed to a restructured contract.

While we don't have specifics yet, this tells me that Hawk will probably make his scheduled salary this year, while the restructured later years of his deal will allow the team to give more money to the likes of Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, and perhaps B.J. Raji. Again, there are no specifics yet.
 
Hawk's cap number for this year was around $7 million. He's been a divisive figure among fans, with many believing he's underrated while others think he's not worth the money, but he's certainly a competent player, and I'm happy we've figured out a way to keep him around at a reasonable price.
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Post by: 46 on March 16, 2013, 06:06:38 pm
Saw where Mr. Donte Stallworth got fried today.  Hope he and the girlfriend are ok.  That had to be a horrible feeling, not be able to control your drift into powerlines.  Ack.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 16, 2013, 10:00:26 pm
Saw where Mr. Donte Stallworth got fried today.  Hope he and the girlfriend are ok.  That had to be a horrible feeling, not be able to control your drift into powerlines.  Ack.

 Heard that Stallworth will be OK with minor burns. Sign him as a "burner" WR.
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Post by: packrat on March 17, 2013, 06:38:50 pm
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2013, 5:14 PM EDT
 
AP
All’s been quiet on the Ahmad Bradshaw front since the Giants released the six-year veteran last month. But Bradshaw is starting to draw interest.
 
Both the Packers and the Steelers are interested in Bradshaw’s services, ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports.
 
It would be unlike the Packers to spend a lot on a free agent running back (or a free agent at any position, for that matter), but Green Bay has been shopping for a running back in free agency. The Packers were interested in Steven Jackson’s services, and they’ve also visited with Peyton Hillis. The Steelers, who let Rashard Mendenhall leave in free agency, are also shopping for depth at running back.
 
Bradshaw, who will turn 27 on Tuesday, had foot surgery after the season but is believed to be good to go now. He played in 14 games for the Giants last year, gaining 1,015 yards on 221 carries and adding 23 catches for 245 yards.
 
Bradshaw is the No. 76 player on our Free Agent Hot 100, and the only running back on the list who remains unsigned.
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Post by: yapper on March 18, 2013, 09:04:20 am
Jake Long finally did sign with the Rams... for quite a bit less than the $10M a year he was targeting.
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Post by: navigator on March 18, 2013, 11:51:51 am
dang, that isn't a whole lot more than we paid for Bushrod.
I guess that is a question, do you take the guy who isn't spectacular but has been pretty healthy over the guy who could be a pro bowler that has had some injuries.
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Post by: boogie on March 18, 2013, 12:02:01 pm
With the higher risk with Longs past injuries comes the higher potential reward.  I guess it just depends on how much you want to gambbble. 
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Post by: yapper on March 18, 2013, 12:04:14 pm
After seeing us struggle with the injury prone OTs that Angelo saddled us with, it wouldn't surprise me if Long was never even seriously on Emery's radar.  The prior connection with Bushrod and Kromer I'm sure though was the predominant factor in our decision to get with him.  Bushrod seems like a pretty smart guy and his knowledge of Kromer's blocking schemes and preferences will be invaluable in getting the rest of our front 5 (whoever they wind up being) up to speed in the new system.

I think we can pretty safely assume the OL will look a lot better out of the gate this year compared to years past where it took them a half a season or more to get their sh*t together. 
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Post by: Phill23 on March 18, 2013, 12:14:40 pm
By adding Bushrod makes our OL a lot better?   I still see question marks on that side of the ball.  Bushrod solves only one problem on the OL.
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Post by: yapper on March 18, 2013, 12:22:25 pm
Bushrod + Kromer makes our OL a lot better already.

The gaping hole of a question remains LG.  Bushrod always had Pro Bowl caliber LGs next to him whereas right now we don't even have a guy on the roster good enough to start there.  Amongst all the noise about losing Roach, what will happen to Urlacher etc. that LG question is still Priority 1. I think Emery can get it done but other than the draft we really don't have a lot of options.
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Post by: 46 on March 18, 2013, 12:30:43 pm
Bushrod+Kromer+the new tight end make it better IMO. Up the middle though... Bortz, Hilgenburg and Thayer it ain't.
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Post by: yapper on March 18, 2013, 12:35:49 pm
I forgot about the new TE.

It concerns me a little that so much of the steam around us signing him seems to focus on his blocking.  Makes me wonder if Emery & Trestman know the guys we have now on the OL can't get it done but they don't think we can find enough new bodies this offseason either so Bennett will have to pick up the slack on blocking for at least this next season.

In other words I'm hoping the fact that Martellus Bennett is a good blocker is simply a bonus and not the primary reason we signed him vs. more of a pure pass catcher like Jared Cook.
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Post by: Phill23 on March 18, 2013, 12:36:24 pm
Does Kromer play RT?  :)

You did the same thing with Tice showing this unfounded blind faith in a guy who hasn't coached his first game with the Bears yet. 
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Post by: dallasbear on March 18, 2013, 02:24:44 pm

We should be OK, not great at both tackles with Bushrod and Webb...and possibly Carimi added into the mix.  And possibly Scott.

The issue is just not LG but its RG too.  I have no issues with Garza but we need to get a guard or three.
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Post by: packrat on March 18, 2013, 03:40:41 pm
Green Bay Packers: Ted Thompson saves money for home-grown talent
By Tom Silverstein
Milwaukee Journal Sentineltwincities.com
Posted:   03/18/2013 12:01:00 AM CDT


Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers. (Pioneer Press: Chris Polydoroff)
PHOENIX -- Besides preferring to build through the draft, there's a reason Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson is doing nothing more than window shopping during the NFL free agency period.

It has to do with the guy walking through the Arizona Biltmore hotel, the site of this year's NFL owners meeting, with his signature yellow note pad and some very big numbers written on it.

David Dunn is the agent for quarterback Aaron Rodgers and linebacker Clay Matthews, and barring unforeseen circumstances he'll be co-authoring a pair of enormous contract extensions that will eat up a healthy amount of the Packers' salary cap space.

It's not known what stage Dunn and Packers negotiator Russ Ball are in with either contract, but they have been talking and it's likely they'll meet more than once over the next three days at the meetings.

Thompson acknowledged Sunday that it is a natural progression for players like Rodgers and Matthews to have their contracts addressed at this stage of their careers and didn't dispute talks were going on.

"Those things will be looked at at some point," Thompson said. "You can never predict on those things. We're always working at stuff like that. I'm not talking about those guys specifically, and I never comment directly about those guys, but we're always working, contemplating, talking in that realm. Always."

Having to make Rodgers the highest-paid player in the NFL and Matthews one of the highest-paid defensive players
offers a handy excuse for Thompson to eschew free agency, but the fact is even if the Packers had $100 million salary cap space -- instead of $18 million -- Thompson still would want to build his team through the draft.
He saves his cap money for players like Rodgers and Matthews, who have been brought up through the system, and just says no to hot free agents like Dashon Goldson, Daniel Ellerbe and Paul Kruger, no matter how attractive they might look. In Thompson's eyes, mistakes made with your own players are more acceptable than those with somebody else's.

"You get these contracts at the time, they look really good for the team and the player, and then three years later it looks good for the player but it doesn't look quite as good for the team," Thompson said. "Or vice versa. And somebody has to break that contract, and then you have to pay the consequences of that.

"But at the same time, a person in my position, you can't be so afraid of that or so concerned about not having a bad deal sometime that you become comatose and don't do anything."

So far, the Packers have been linked with free agents Chris Canty, Peyton Hillis, Steven Jackson and, on Sunday, Ahmad Bradshaw. Such name-dropping excites the Packers' fan base, but it does not alter Thompson's vision. It merely reflects the work his personnel team does in exploring all possibilities.

But as for those who work for him, expecting Thompson to sign off on a free agent who might stunt the growth of one of his younger players isn't going to happen. Coach Mike McCarthy knew Thompson's philosophy when he signed on and has accepted that it's his job to get young players ready to play right away.

Together their success rate has been pretty good.

The Packers are 80-42 (including playoffs) in McCarthy's seven years with three division titles and five playoff appearances, including two NFC Championship Games and a Super Bowl.

Bowing out of the playoffs two straight seasons in decisive fashion has raised the hackles of fans, who are concerned there are only so many years the 29-year-old Rodgers will be an elite player and Thompson isn't doing enough to surround him with Super Bowl-winning talent.

Thompson argues there is only so much money to go around, and when it's time to pay players like Rodgers, Matthews, B.J. Raji, Sam Shields and Randall Cobb, you want to have as much money as possible to keep them. Sometimes you choose not to pay as was the case with Greg Jennings, Scott Wells, Daryn Colledge and Nick Barnett.

"If you've done a good enough job of drafting and developing, you're going to have more of those at that stage than you can keep," Thompson said. "But that's, relatively speaking, a good problem to have. You have to try to make good decisions in every deal that you do.

"It's not a question of being tight or anything like that. It's a question of being pragmatic and saying, 'How do we do this, given the budget?' "

In McCarthy's case it means ignoring the temptation to imagine Goldson in his secondary or Ellerbe next to Desmond Bishop at inside linebacker. He said he used to follow the comings and goings in free agency more closely but has decided his time is better spent focusing exclusively on the young players he has and the ones he's going to get.

"Are you going to consume yourself on 70 players when maybe three of them are going to be in your building," McCarthy said of free agents. "Or are you going to consume your time in player acquisition more toward the draft, which you know you have a better chance of.

"Opinions are heard and given, but I think I've done a much better job of keeping our coaching staff focused on our guys. That's the group we know we're going to train and we know we're going to help get better."

One thing that is a little different this year is that there are a significant number of veterans who have been cut because the salary cap grew very little and teams no longer could live with their contracts. Thompson might investigate a few now, but what about after the draft when he potentially has holes to fill and can sign an experienced player for minimum wage or a little more?

It happened last year when he signed running back Cedric Benson, who was starting to gel with the offense when he suffered a season-ending foot injury. That signing showed both the value and risk of signing veterans, since Benson offered stability in the backfield but couldn't finish the season.

"That's a little bit more of a gamble," he said. "I think you just have to let that come to you. But if opportunities arise, then we certainly would be willing to look into it. Just because free agency that usually stays hot and heavy for a week or 10 days, (doesn't mean) there (won't) be a lot of roster moves, including for our team, over the course of the spring and summer."

For now, his focus is somewhere else.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 18, 2013, 04:20:20 pm
Doubtful we go from having one of the worst lines in the league to one of the best in one season. Seeing SOME help being brought onboard is very encouraging, though. If we get more via the draft, say at LG, I'd say we're on the right track....FINALLY! I'd be happy for the line to jump from 30th to 20th....at least it's improvement!
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 19, 2013, 12:10:24 am
Doubtful we go from having one of the worst lines in the league to one of the best in one season. Seeing SOME help being brought onboard is very encouraging, though. If we get more via the draft, say at LG, I'd say we're on the right track....FINALLY! I'd be happy for the line to jump from 30th to 20th....at least it's improvement!

 Go back and look at how the 49ers drafted before Harbough got there.

 it was all OL. Think that may have been under Singletary ...  ???
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Post by: yapper on March 19, 2013, 07:54:13 am
Supposedly Trestman engineered a dramatic turnaround of his OL his first season in Canada, without changing any of the players.

Very doubtful he can replicate that here given the far superior caliber of NFL pass rushers to CFL players...  but we've already upgraded LT so we're down the road by that much at least already.
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Post by: Phill23 on March 19, 2013, 12:37:06 pm
That's the CFL.  The NFL is totally different!
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Post by: yapper on March 19, 2013, 12:48:41 pm
it was all OL. Think that may have been under Singletary ...

Yes the 49ers have spent multiple high draft picks (1st/2nd round) on O-Linemen in the past few years.  And in contrast to our former GM, they spent those picks on guys who can actually play.  And they are now reaping the benefits.
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Post by: packrat on March 19, 2013, 06:10:59 pm
By Albert Breer Reporter, NFL.com and NFL Network
Published: March 14, 2013 at 11:50 a.m.
Forget the numbers.

The final offer that the New England Patriots made to Wes Welker and the one he accepted from the Denver Broncos might have been just $1 million per year apart. But put into context, they might as well have been made on different planet
Welker finally had enough of the leveraging and squeezing and hardball tactics, and so, like Lawyer Milloy, Adam Vinatieri, Asante Samuel, Richard Seymour and even Logan Mankins (who eventually got paid) before him, he told the Patriots where they could stick their value assessment.

This situation has evolved over a few years, not just a few days.

Welker made just over $18 million in his first five years as a Patriot, averaging 111 catches per season and missing just three games despite having an anterior cruciate ligament tear wedged in there. He played out the deal and had the franchise tag applied to him last offseason at $9.515 million. He signed his tender before missing even a single OTA session, then was phased out of the offense in August and September. When the Patriots' tight ends got banged up, the team turned back to Welker, and he again answered the bell with a 118-catch year.

Because of all that -- plus the sentiment that emerged late in the year that New England had come around on Welker's value to Tom Brady and Co., as well as a positive feeling that seemed to exist as recently as two weeks ago -- there had been growing confidence that a deal would get done, even with the trust between the two sides fraying at the edges.

And then New England offered $10 million over two years.

The Patriots might have been better off not making a proposal at all.

The Broncos stepped in, offering Welker the chance to go from Brady to Peyton Manning and bringing what one Denver source called the "real big" recruiting presence of executive vice president of football operations John Elway to the table, and it was over quickly. "He's unreal," the source said of Elway. "Because he's genuine, and he's a guy's guy, some of the same reasons he was a great player. It's his personality, his charisma, his honesty; he's just a good dude."

It's apparent that Welker didn't feel he'd gotten the same forthrightness from New England.




Here's the cold fact: If the Patriots' offer had been exactly the same as Denver's, Welker probably wouldn't have looked at it any differently. It still would've been less than what he'd been offered last July, a proposal that fell well short of what he wanted, and it still likely would've been seen as a bit of a slight.

Look, this cold approach has served New England very well over the years. There's no arguing with a track record that includes 10 division titles, five AFC championships and three Lombardi Trophies in a dozen years. But there's an inherent downside to operating that way, too.

Wednesday's events illustrated that.

For Welker, this wasn't about money. It was about principle.

*****

Now, to bounce around the latest free agency happenings ...

Brooks: Two of a kind
While Wes Welker certainly boosts the Broncos, the Patriots will be just fine with Danny Amendola. Bucky Brooks explains. More ...
1) The Welker fit. Want to know how Manning will work Welker into the Broncos' attack? Ask Brandon Stokley. Or Dallas Clark. Or Austin Collie. Or Blair White. The match is so perfect, it had some harkening back to the quarterback's past. "Denver got a steal," one NFC personnel director said. "Peyton's most productive years in Indy were when he had Marvin (Harrison), Reggie (Wayne) and Stokley. Here's something creepy for you: What numbers were Marv, Reggie and Stoke? What numbers are Bay Bay (Demaryius Thomas), (Eric) Decker and Welker?" Yup. Thomas, Decker and Welker wear, respectively, Nos. 88, 87 and 83 on their jerseys. And the connections go beyond that, too. Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase was the receivers coach under Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels when McDaniels was head coach of the Broncos in 2009 and 2010, so there should be some carry-over for Welker in style; Gase should be able to easily meld him in. You can bet, too, that Manning and Welker will start throwing together yesterday.

2) New England's next step. One AFC personnel exec said that he thinks newly added receiver Danny Amendola will be able to step into the Patriots' offense and "do the things they asked Welker to do with no schematic adjustments." He added that it will "take time to develop chemistry; that's natural with a new player. Nuances, feel. Those guys (Brady and Welker) could wink and nod and know what each other were thinking, but Amendola is an instinctive player, and I think he'll develop that in the offseason. It's nothing that shouldn't be overcome through OTAs and minicamp." Obviously, durability is one question when it comes to Amendola. But here's another: Do the Patriots want to do the same things again? My sense would be that the vision remains what it was last September, when Welker's role was being minimized and the Patriots were becoming very tight end-centric. That means Amendola will need to find other ways to make his mark.

3) What can Mike Wallace do in Miami? One Miami Dolphins source agreed this week that the big-play receiver's arrival in South Florida has, in certain ways, Bill Parcells' fingerprints on it. Here's how: Back in the 1980s, Parcells and George Young hatched the "Planet Theory," which held that because there are only so many people on the planet who are this fast, or this big, or this big and fast, when you have a chance to get one of those guys, you do it. Wallace is a "Planet Theory" guy. His explosiveness and field-stretching ability are unique and, as such, change the way a defense is drawn up, taking a player out of the box in the run game and opening up the middle of the field for other receivers. That's Miami's vision: Wallace is a player who brings a unique skill to the table and whose impact, at least on paper, could greatly boost the prospects of guys like Lamar Miller, Davone Bess and Brian Hartline.




4) Ravens getting younger -- with a purpose. We'll have to wait and see if veteran safety Ed Reed returns to the Baltimore Ravens, but anyone looking for an answer as to just what is happening in Baltimore can go back to the team's season-ending news conference. Owner Steve Bisciotti and general manager Ozzie Newsome hammered home the notion that, unlike what happened in 2001 after they won Super Bowl XXXV, they wouldn't overextend themselves to keep last season's title-winning team together. They said the focus was on building a roster that could win for the next five years, not just defend the championship. They've been true to their word. If you were to project a starting lineup for the Ravens today, the only players included who are out of their 20s would be fullback Vonta Leach (31 years old) and linebacker Terrell Suggs (30). After the frenzy of departures, I asked one Ravens official what's next. "The draft," he texted back. I was later assured that Baltimore isn't done. Some lower-profile free-agent additions are possible. Reed might come back, too. But this much is clear: Newsome and Co. have put a premium on financial flexibility and youth early in 2013.

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5) The sagging market at corner and tackle. I mentioned this scenario on Monday, and it has played out as I expected: The overflow of supply and relative lack of demand is killing free-agent cornerbacks and offensive tackles. Clubs feel comfortable sitting back and waiting, knowing good players will slip through the cracks. As of Thursday morning, Jake Long, Sebastian Vollmer and Andre Smith were still out there at tackle, while Sean Smith, Aqib Talib and Nnamdi Asomugha were available at corner. Offensive tackle Jermon Bushrod was bagged by the Chicago Bears at a relative bargain ($7 million per year). Cornerback Derek Cox came off the market at $5 million per with the San Diego Chargers. Cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is headed to the Denver Broncos on a one-year deal. These developments underscore the decision that many other free agents will likely have to make: Either take a little less than the market would have born in previous years, or go somewhere on a one-year deal and try to hit it big in 2014.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 20, 2013, 11:38:59 am
Stupidest rule change ever!!!


Pretty soon they are going to make it flag football...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 20, 2013, 11:40:11 am
This rule will make RBs about as useless to a team as KRs have become.

Thank God for us that Forte can catch.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 20, 2013, 03:01:49 pm
If Tebow were available at a cheap price I wouold sign him to try out at H-Back.  Good blocker, good catching the ball, good running the ball and a smart player.  Nice to have him in the backfield or TE on manhy plays.

By Gregg Rosenthal Around The League Editor
Published: March 20, 2013 at 09:01 a.m. Updated: March 20, 2013 at 12:22 p.m.     Friend(s) Email  Your Email Send Email By Gregg Rosenthal Pro Bowl will return to Hawaii next season; tweaks aheadControversial rule change will be watched closelyMore Columns >

Coach Rex Ryan said quarterback Tim Tebow will have a chance to compete in 2013. Ryan didn't say at what position, but Tebow's continued place on the New York Jets' roster has started to make us wonder if Tebow will have any chance to stick around.




Dan Graziano of ESPNNewYork.com reported on Tuesday that Tebow still is a goner. The Jets reportedly still are holding out hope that they can trade Tebow. (I'm also holding out hope for a growth spurt, but I'm starting to think it's not happening after turning 34 years old.)

The plan remains to release Tebow, according to Graziano. It's possible they could keep him until the 2013 NFL Draft.

To this, we say: Why bother? There is absolutely no chance a team will trade for Tebow. The Jets have five quarterbacks on the roster and clearly have no use for Tebow.

Tebow surely regrets ever coming to the Jets. I never faulted the Jets for not playing him last season, but this hopeless endeavor to get value in a possible trade is ridiculous.

Follow Gregg Rosenthal on Twitter @greggrosenthal.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 20, 2013, 03:58:44 pm
Gregg Jennings' newspaper ad.

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Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 20, 2013, 04:23:12 pm
Classy move by Jennings.

I was gonna celebrate as a Bears fan not having to deal with him on the field anymore but then he goes to the Vikings...  so much for that.
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Post by: Sportster on March 21, 2013, 02:28:37 am
Next up, a ad in the Trib from Urlacher....HA, yea riiiight......bet he's out of town already.....with his love of 'his fans' and all....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 22, 2013, 01:07:45 am

 Tim Tebow & Mante T'eo on DAA BEARRSSE ... we lock up all the press for years to come.

 America loves a soap opera so lets give them one : Tim Tebow & Mante T'eo , CHICAGO BEARS.

 The nation tunes in for whats happening next. Solid gold ratings.

 Vikes vs. BEARS :

 Peterson takes the handoff from Ponder ... breaks to open field and only T'eo is there to stop him.

 Peterson : Hey T'eo look up in the sky! A FLYING SAUCER !!

 T'eo : Huh ? What ?? Where ???

 Peterson : Bwah ha ha ha ha ha !

 Touchdown Vikings !

 Any press is good press.

 If Tebow hangs out with Urlacher and talks about missionary work in the Congo ,

 thats the lead story nationwide.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 24, 2013, 04:50:31 pm

 What do we look like right now in FA ?

Jermon Bushrod LT

Martellus Bennett TE

D.J. Williams LB

Steve Maneri TE

Tom Zbikowski S

Turk McBride DE

James Anderson LB

Did I leave anybody out ? Please fill in.

Notice that everything has been covered except OL. LT is there.

So do we go OL-OL with the first two picks ? Center and Guard or vice versa ?

If we get who we want ... what do we do with our third pick?
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Post by: Pekin on March 24, 2013, 04:56:43 pm
We don't have a 3rd round pick.  It went to the Dolphins for Brandon Marshall.
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Post by: yapper on March 24, 2013, 06:07:15 pm
Unless there is undisputed value at a position of need at 20, I'm seeing a tradedown.

Emery has positioned us to where the only glaring need is interior OL and Day 1 starters at C and G can be picked up below 20. Especially this year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 24, 2013, 06:24:08 pm
If someone is willing to trade with us I am certain Emery will trade down.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 24, 2013, 06:49:27 pm
We don't have a 3rd round pick.  It went to the Dolphins for Brandon Marshall.

 I said what do we do with our third pick ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 24, 2013, 07:03:49 pm
Ah.  Sorry JJ I misread that.

Who knows.  Emery keeps that info to himself.  No one knows for sure.

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Post by: yapper on March 24, 2013, 07:07:59 pm
We get it back by trading down, that's what we do.

To get an additional 2nd round pick to go with our own 2nd, plus a 3rd, would set us up well.

I would even give up our 5th and 6th rounders to make that happen. Once you get below the 4th your odds are just as good with UDFAs assuming your scouts are worth a damn.

We dont need a lot of bodies out of this draft but the guys we do draft need to pull their weight right away. Emery's 1st-year return on his first draft class was disappointing to put it kindly... and that's not just me saying that.  He said himself that he expects his 1st and 2nd round picks to start their first season. Compare what our rookies last year did to say, the Seahawks rookie class and it actually verges on embarrassing.

This years class needs to bring more to the table right out of the gate, and with Emery having a full offseason to implement his scouting system plus a HC that is on the same page, I look for that to happen.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 24, 2013, 07:08:16 pm
Mark Hoffman

"Fans in Green Bay should not go crazy. They should applaud Ted." - Bill Polian, on Packers GM Ted Thompson (above)
 
History shows that many players don't pan out


By Tyler Dunne of the Journal Sentinel        

Green Bay - This time of year, he can sympathize with Ted Thompson. Bill Polian's been there, heard that.

When Polian called the shots with the Indianapolis Colts, the pressure to sign free agents ran high each spring. From fans. From the media. From people in house. Rather than cave, he remained steadfast. The NFL draft. His franchise quarterback. That was the emphasis.

So to those around here irritated that the Packers general manager Ted Thompson has done zilch through free agency, Polian chuckles.

"Fans in Green Bay should not go crazy," Polian said. "They should applaud Ted."

Polian might be right. He says Thompson is doing the right thing by emphasizing extensions to Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews and B.J. Raji above signing any player from any other team. A rewind look at last year's free-agent class supports Thompson's propensity to tiptoe through March.

Too often, spending backfires - particularly lately.

While some of last year's free agents shouldn't completely be written off quite yet, 2012 exposed more panic signings, more regrets and more disappointments at each position.

This, of course, came one year after the Philadelphia Eagles' unmitigated "Dream Team" disaster.

No, Thompson shouldn't completely be off the hook from critics. One or two cost-efficient signings - a Chris Canty, a Cullen Jenkins, a short-term fix at a position of need - might certainly help. But as far as spending big in general goes, Thompson's restraint keeps the Packers out of trouble. Over a six-year study, Polian determined that 50% of free-agent signings panned out. Or, as he put it, the same rate as (much) cheaper, smart NFL draft picks.

Last year was full of mistakes and growing regrets in the NFL.

"Without question they were mistakes," Polian said. "And no one recognizes that now as we in the media recklessly report all of these free-agent signings. All of which are, of course, going to change the fortunes of the downtrodden 180 degrees. We even go as far -as stupidly - as to pick off-season winners. That's an oxymoron. That's shame on us. Shame on fans for buying into it."

Begin in the trenches.

San Diego signed Jared Gaither to a four-year, $24.6 million deal (13.5 million guaranteed), and the offensive tackle reportedly milked injuries before landing on injured reserve. One veteran told the San Diego Union-Tribune, "I can't even look him in the eye" after Gaither sat out with a back issue." Gaither made $2.25 million for each game he played in last season. No decision has been made on him yet this off-season. As much as the Chargers might want to release Gaither, it'd also be a $6 million hit. This month, new general manager Tom Telesco said no decision has been made.

Right tackle Eric Winston, who signed a four-year, $22 million deal with Kansas City, was released. Steve Hutchinson signed a three-year, $16 million deal ($6 million guaranteed) with the Tennessee Titans, regressed sharply at 35 years old and retired. One year later, the Titans paid $46.8 million/six years for Andy Levitre. Tampa Bay's Carl Nicks might be a long-term answer, but the 2011 all-pro landed on injured reserve with a toe injury. St. Louis Rams center Scott Wells also went to IR, though returned in late November.

After signing at four years, $24 million ($13 million guaranteed), Wells has undergone three surgeries in seven months.

The Packers missed Wells in 2012. And he very well could rebound in 2013, but the injuries are troublesome for a 32-year-old center.

Then, there's the defensive line. At six years, $96 million ($50 million guaranteed), if Mario Williams is anything short of a combination between Reggie White and Deacon Jones, it's probably a letdown for Buffalo. To his credit, Williams rebounded from a sloppy start to finish with 10.5 sacks. Still, 14 players had more sacks than him. Williams was brought in to trigger cosmic change, to have a White-like influence on other free agents. One year in, the Bills' defense allowed 146 rushing yards per game, 31st in the NFL.

Green Bay expressed some early interest in Kendall Langford but wouldn't play ball. If Thompson deserves some flak, it should be at defensive end where he's been reluctant to spend. The four-year, $24 million deal Langford signed with St. Louis is the going rate for such a 6-foot-6, 295-pound anchor of a 3-4 DE.

Then again, Thompson deserves props for not biting on pass rushers. A disruptive 3-4 outside linebacker was the team's No. 1 need last off-season, but the GM didn't get into any foolish bidding wars. Kamerion Wimbley, a 3-4 OLB his whole career, signed with the Tennessee Titans at $35 million over five years ($13.5 million guaranteed). And at defensive end, he struggled.

The Titans swung, missed on Williams and reached for Wimbley. In 2012, the 6-foot-4, 255-pounder had 30 tackles and six sacks.

This is the nature of free agency. Teams overspend on second-tier players. Players like Wimbley, who averaged seven sacks per season, can be overvalued. That's why it was always easy for Polian to stay on the sideline.

"First of all, keep in mind, that the vast majority of players on the market now are not 'A' players," Polian said. "The marquee players, the guys that got all the money in this year's free agency extravaganza, were really what we call 'A-minus' players. The 'A' players never get to free agency. They're either franchised or signed long term by their clubs. So this is the level below real difference-makers."

There was one A-plus free agent last year: Peyton Manning. He appears to be worth every penny in Denver. Tampa Bay's Vincent Jackson (five years, $55 million) and St. Louis' Cortland Finnegan (five years, $50 million) made a first-year splash, too.

Elsewhere, it's not pretty.

At wide receiver, there's also Laurent Robinson and Robert Meachem. Robinson reached a five-year, $32.5 million deal with Jacksonville. And after four concussions in one season, he was released. Robinson's football career in general is now at a crossroads. In San Diego, the Chargers lost Jackson and rushed into a four-year, $25.9 million deal for Robert Meachem. Last season, Meachem was a magnificent failure, catching 14 passes for 207 yards.

The New Orleans Saints needed help on defense. Badly. So the Saints forked over five-year contracts to a pair of linebackers - Curtis Lofton at $27.5 million, David Hawthorne at $19 million. And in 2012, the Saints allowed more yards than any team in NFL history. Two days after his reinstatement, Sean Payton fired defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo.

Two outside linebackers - San Diego's Jarret Johnson and Buffalo's Mark Anderson - were likely overpaid at $19.5 million over four years.

And behind them, the verdict's still out on players. Cornerback Brandon Carr signed with the Dallas Cowboys at five years, $50.1 million contract ($25 million guaranteed). The Cowboys' secondary remained shaky, finishing 29th in opponent passer rating (94.7). Carr's $14.3 million base salary this season was reduced to $715,000, though the difference was converted to bonus money spread out through his deal. And after signing a five-year, $38 million deal with Tampa Bay, cornerback Eric Wright was suspended for using performance-enhancing drugs, which wiped out his 2013 guaranteed money. The Bucs now could release the disappointing cornerback without a penalty.

The salary cap is not rising. Thus, "dead money" is becoming a bigger issue for teams, Polian said. In years past, it was easier for teams to roll the dice on a player because GMs knew the cap would continue to rise.

"Now it's decreasing in real dollars every year," Polian said. "So dead money now is really a tough issue for clubs to deal with. And your top guys still get the big contracts. There's no regression in their contracts at all."

Yet many general managers continue to spend. And spend. The reasoning is simple.

Many bosses, Polian says, feel they need to appease the masses.

"The marketing people say, 'We have to do something. We can't be perceived as not trying to win,'" Polian said. "Different GMs try different philosophies. Let's load up on midpriced free agents, we'll play money ball and hope we hit on a few. Others say, 'We need that big, marquee signing. We're one or two players away.' None of it really adds out.

"Building a team is a long-term process. It requires difference-makers at various positions. And you only get those through the draft. Miami might get one in (Mike) Wallace. You can argue about the money. But in free agency, the money is what it is. But how many other difference-makers are out there, really? You've got difference-makers who are coming up, so you have to sign them."

That's precisely what the Packers have in Rodgers, Matthews and Raji. Green Bay might pay for not being more aggressive. A piece here or there could help. By standing pat, the pressure on young players rises.

Big picture, however, Polian praises Thompson for showing restraint. It's impossible for any Super Bowl team to keep its core together long term. The Baltimore Ravens learned that quickly. But by resisting the urge to spend on other teams' free agents in March, a team can keep its own "A" players around.

With the Colts, Polian did this. And with the Packers, Thompson is attempting to do the same.

Said Polian, "Teams that draft well - and Ted has drafted exceptionally well in his
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 24, 2013, 07:30:48 pm

Still, the general lesson from two decades of the NFL’s current system is that free agency is a minefield where money more often than not is wasted. Just look to the last few years for GMs who have excited their organizations and fan bases with seemingly big offseasons only to bomb when the games began:

■ Last year, the Buffalo Bills were undisputed offseason champs when they signed the premier free agent, defensive end Mario Williams, to a $100 million contract, plus another pass rusher, Mark Anderson, who had 10 sacks in 2011. The Bills finished 2012 with the same 6-10 record as ’11, and coach Chan Gailey lost his job.

■ The Philadelphia Eagles won the NFC East Division title in 2010 and then won the ’11 offseason by signing the top free agent, cornerback Nnamdi Asamougha, plus defensive linemen Cullen Jenkins and Jason Babin, tackle Ryan Harris and trading for cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. The Eagles went 8-8 in ’11.

■ In 2009, the Washington Redskins signed free agent defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth to a $100 million contract and added two other pricey starters in cornerback DeAngelo Hall and guard Derrick Dockery. The Redskins’ 4-12 record was worse than the previous year’s 6-10.

■ And in 2008, the Cleveland Browns won the offseason championship by trading the bulk of their draft for defensive linemen Shaun Rogers and Corey Williams, and signing free agent receiver Donte Stallworth. They went from 10-6 in ’07 to 4-12.

“I always saw free agency as the price teams pay for not drafting well,” Brandt said. “Ideally, if teams draft and develop well, free agency is just a way to fill out the team, rather than pay top-level prices. When (the Packers) did jump in the game with Charles Woodson, that was partly due to high picks at the position — Ahmad Carroll and Joey Thomas — not working out.”

Free agency can in fact make a difference and even turn around a team. Thompson’s signing of Woodson in 2006, for instance, added an indispensible player to the Packers’ Super Bowl run two years ago. In 2010, the Chicago Bears signed defensive end Julius Peppers to a huge contract ($83.5 million over six years, $40 million guaranteed), and it’s hard to argue they haven’t gotten their money’s worth. And New Orleans’ signing of quarterback Drew Brees in 2006 has made that franchise
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 28, 2013, 01:21:32 am

 Good posts Packy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 28, 2013, 06:35:16 pm

 Theres a lot less money in play in the NFL then in the past.

 2 mil for Urlacher is realistic.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 29, 2013, 02:40:58 pm
........and in other news former SF guard Kwamie Brown came out of the closet.  fitting, I suppose, that a gay would play for a team from San Franciso.  the 46 is diving back into the bottle once again.  At least there, for awhile, I can pretend things aren't as they are.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on March 29, 2013, 06:08:18 pm
8 more years of Romo in Dallas. 

ENJOY it Cowboy fans!   LOL :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 29, 2013, 06:24:33 pm
........and in other news former SF guard Kwamie Brown came out of the closet.  fitting, I suppose, that a gay would play for a team from San Franciso.  the 46 is diving back into the bottle once again.  At least there, for awhile, I can pretend things aren't as they are.

 How much do you think he would have loved it if he played Center ... mmmm ... a QB's hands on my crotch.

 
8 more years of Romo in Dallas. ENJOY it Cowboy fans!   LOL :D

 Actually its for 6 years which is 6 years too many. Now they can sign Urlacher.  :D

 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 30, 2013, 07:45:36 am
Tony Romo is now Jay Cutler's best friend. I expect he just made Jay a lot of money.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on March 30, 2013, 08:59:04 am
It doesn't look like too much.  Nine mullion a year avrage and may be back weighted.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 30, 2013, 09:36:36 am
Yes but isn't $55 million guaranteed?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 30, 2013, 06:07:55 pm
Yes but isn't $55 million guaranteed?

 It is. The dude from Eastern Illinois just backed up the Brinks truck.

 Is Jerry Jones the new AL DAVIS ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 01, 2013, 06:18:41 pm
It is. The dude from Eastern Illinois just backed up the Brinks truck.

 Is Jerry Jones the new AL DAVIS ?

I  vote definitely YES.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on April 01, 2013, 07:07:28 pm
He could be the old/new Daniel Snyder, for he came before him but is acting after him....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 01, 2013, 08:38:19 pm
He could be the old/new Daniel Snyder, for he came before him but is acting after him....

 Actually Snyder came along after Jones. But I get the drift.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on April 02, 2013, 01:35:58 am
Tony Romo is now Jay Cutler's best friend. I expect he just made Jay a lot of money.

It won't be here in Chicago IF Jay finally pulls an all-pro season out of thin air this season.

No way the Bears give him a contract any where near those figures.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 02, 2013, 06:52:21 pm
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 2, 2013, 5:20 PM EDT

Bruce AriansAP

With Carson Palmer in Arizona, new Cardinals coach Bruce Arians says there’s no team in the NFL that has a better group of quarterbacks.

Arians said at Palmer’s introductory press conference that Palmer is the No. 1 quarterback, and that the combination of Palmer as the starter and backups Drew Stanton, Ryan Lindley and Brian Hoyer gives the Cardinals the best quarterback depth the NFL has seen.

“I think our quarterback room is as strong as any in the National Football League,” Arians said...

Huh?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 02, 2013, 07:04:13 pm
he Packers have not been shy about investing high picks to protect Aaron Rodgers the last few years, but unfortunately the stars have not lined up for these picks to be as effective as the team would have preferred. Most of the problems to the Packers tackles last year was due to injuries suffered, and now the team is hoping that time has healed most of those wounds. One of the key players they hope to get back in the fold and step up is player who is a mystery to Packer fans, former first round pick Derek Sherrod.

2012 Season

Sherrod’s season last year was completely lost by a major injury suffered during the 2011 season. Last year at this time there was some hope that he would be able to return from training camp or possibly the start of the regular season, but as time went on and Sherrod remained on the PUP list it became more and more apparent that he was destined for injured reserve and that the Packers would have to make do without him for 2012.

2012 Replacement

Replacement is probably not the best word to use in this particular instance since Sherrod has never been a starter or received meaningful snaps since joining the Green Bay Packers. A better way to view this situation is by looking at who has benefited the most by Sherrod’s injury, which is undoubtedly last year’s starting tackle Marshall Newhouse. Sherrod has been the hope for a solid left tackle since he was drafted but that has not panned out yet due to circumstances beyond his control (the lockout, getting opportunities at left guard and right tackle but not left tackle, and then finally his leg injury). Last year at this time it was believed that Sherrod and Newhouse would have a camp competition for the starting role, but due to a lengthy recovery that competition never happened. Newhouse has steadily improved since getting extended playing time in 2011, but it seems he has a definite ceiling for his upside. He’s generally okay, but will often struggle against the elite physical talent pass rushers.

Recovery Outlook

Merely saying that Sherrod’s recovery is murky right now is an understatement. There are positives signs present right now, such as Mike McCarthy stating that he sees Sherrod in the training room every day and positive reports about how his surgery was successful, but this injury has lingered for a long time. Sherrod will need to show that he can stay healthy and that he has not acquired too much rust from his significant time away from the football field. It’s not impossible, but it means that the Packers and their fans will have to wait until at least OTA’s to get a good idea of where Sherrod is at right now.

2013 Roster Preview

The bottom line is that it is way too early to give up on Sherrod, and thus he will have a spot on the roster in 2013. While looking at his situation it’s easy to conclude that the Packers have another player like Justin Harrell on their hands, a first round draft pick who seems to spend his entire career ridden with injuries and disappointment and simply soaking up a roster space due to his draft status, but jumping to this conclusion ignores just how the Packers and Sherrod have arrived at where they are with him right now. Sherrod has not had the benefit of any OTA’s, minicamps, rookie minicamps, or even offseason training sessions due to his health or the labor situation of the NFL. He has not had any meaningful snaps at his most natural position, left tackle. He has not been a part of a real competition for that position either. As such his time with the Packers has resulted in him being forced into foreign positions on the line with little to no coaching and preparation. This means that he has a lot to prove, but it also means he has yet to prove that he is not cut out for the NFL either.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 02, 2013, 07:12:21 pm
The Green Bay Packers used their first round pick in 2012 on outside linebacker Nick Perry, a pass-rusher from the University of Southern California. Perry played in six games and started five, though he rotated snaps with veteran Erik Walden, and he showed flashes of his athletic ability before landing on injured reserve after the game in Houston.

2012 Season

Perry recorded two sacks in his six games, one against Seattle and one against Indianapolis. However, the play that got most Packer fans' attention was a penalty - Perry was called for leading with his helmet when making a highlight-reel hit on Colts quarterback Andrew Luck. Regardless of whether the penalty was or was not legitimate (I think it was a bogus call, but that's just me), that play showed Perry's speed and explosiveness in getting around the edge and closing on the quarterback. His wrist and knee injuries kept him off the field for the final 12 games, however, and he will look to rebound in 2013.

2012 Replacements

Need I say more than Erik Walden? He was reasonably effective in the first few weeks when splitting time with Perry, but struggled mightily when asked to play every down on defense. His best game came in Indianapolis, when he, Perry, and Clay Matthews were terrorizing Luck regularly. Now Walden is in Indianapolis, which is probably no coincidence.

Recovery Outlook

There has been minimal news on Perry's injury since the end of the season, but outside linebacker coach Kevin Greene seemed optimistic for Perry's recovery back in January:


He just has to come back highly motivated and ready to go, ready to take the bull by the horns. Just come in with the right attitude and be ready to do his thing.

That sounds like a coach who expects one of his players to be fully healthy for the off-season program, so hopefully there will be no remaining impact on Perry lingering into the upcoming season. He did have surgery on his injured wrist fairly early, in November, which makes the likelihood of Perry coming back at full strength better.

2013 Roster Preview

Perry will be the full-time starter on the left side, barring another injury or a major surprise in this year's draft. He, Matthews, and Dezman Moses are the only outside linebackers currently on the roster, and a full off-season program should give Perry more time to get used to the position after playing defensive end at USC. He still will have some work to do to get used to playing back in coverage off the line of scrimmage, but his return should give the pass rush a spark and hopefully help keep opposing quarterbacks under duress.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 02, 2013, 07:16:04 pm

 Packy you do understand whats going on in CHICAGO dont you ?
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Post by: packrat on April 02, 2013, 07:21:15 pm
A look at QB pay and where Aaron Rodgers' salary is headed


By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel   

April 1, 2013
     



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When - not if - the Packers reach agreement with QB Aaron Rodgers on a record-setting contract extension, they will have some flexibility in managing the impact it has on their salary cap.

There was a report from NFL.com today that the two sides were $2 million a year apart on a new contract, and while that might be true, so much of the deal from the Packers' side of things rests on how it fits their salary cap that total compensation isn't necessarily as important as how the money is distributed over the length of the deal.

If the extension is only four years as ESPN's Adam Schefter has suggested, the options are limited. If the four years is on top of the two years Rodgers has remaining and it's a six-year deal altogether then the Packers have a chance to spread the hurt out a little more.

Either way, consider what the salary cap numbers are on Baltimore QB Joe Flacco's six-year, $120.6 million deal:
•2013 - $6.8 million
•2014 - $14.8 million
•2015 - $14.55 million
•2016 - $28.55 million
•2017 - $31.14 million
•2018 - $24.7 million

Or on New Orleans QB Drew Brees' five-year, $100 million deal:
•2012 - $10.4 million
•2013 - $17.4 million
•2014 - $18.4 million
•2015 - $26.4 million
•2016 - $27.4 million

Look at the numbers in the latter years. Both teams bought cap space in the early year that will have to be paid for later. It's likely Baltimore and New Orleans are counting on the salary cap going up considerably in 2015 or '16, which still isn't a certainty given the league's desire to raise it gradually.

Here's where structure matters for the Packers. The Ravens and Saints both wanted low cap numbers early in the deal because they were facing a limited amount of room in the year the deals were signed.

The Packers have roughly $18 million of salary cap room available to sign Rodgers, LB Clay Matthews, their draft picks and any other player they decide to sign or extend this year.

Re-doing both players' contracts essentially means removing what Rodgers ($9.75 million) and Matthews ($4.91 million) count against the cap now ($14.66 million) and applying it to the $18 million of room they currently have. So they're startting at $32.66 million as they negotiate the two deals.

If the Packers eat up $18 million of cap with Rodgers' new deal and $8 million with Matthews', they still have $6.66 million of cap room to do other business. Applying that much cap charge to 2013 will help the Packers stay under the cap in future years.

No matter how the deal is structured, the cap numbers have to add up to the total value of the deal. If Rodgers' extension is four years, $100 million and $18 million is eaten up in year one, the Packers would only have to spread $7 million (the $25 million average minus $18 million) over the remaining three years of the contract.

In Flacco's case, he's averaging $20 million per year, but in the first two years of the contract he only counts $21.6 million against the cap. That means $19.4 million has to be made up somewhere in those final four years. Over the first three years, he only counts $36.15 million. Thus, $23.85 million has to be made up in the final three years.

If Flacco flames out or suffers a career-ending injury in 2015 or beyone, the Ravens could be looking at him eating up anywhere from $15-$36 million without being on the roster.

The bottom line is that the structure of Rodgers' deal means as much as the total value. The Packers would love it to only average $23 million per year instead of $25 million, but making sure it doesn't set them up for salary cap armageddon is just as important.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 02, 2013, 07:49:34 pm

 Packy as much as I love you , youre fuuckin team is going down dude.

 This is the new BEARS.
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Post by: packrat on April 05, 2013, 07:55:14 pm
That's what makes this rivalry so good, jj.  We'll see.  I think we both need to look out for 49ers and Seahawks.
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Post by: packrat on April 05, 2013, 08:06:25 pm
Considering the salary cap I don't see any way that the Pack can re-sign Finley in 201`4.  They may start looking to draft a TE this year if they have any doubts about Quarless' future.

By Evan "Tex" Western on Apr 5 2013, 4:00p  
Nick Laham



We examine the Packers' best blocking tight end to see what kind of impact he may have on the offense
 

Andrew Quarless spent the entire 2012 season recovering from an awful knee injury suffered in 2011. As a rookie, Quarless showed some flashes of serious talent in the receiving game, and he worked hard to become a very effective blocker the following season. Many Packers fans are hoping for him to put both pieces together to become the team's most well-rounded tight end in all phases of the game.

2011 Season

Quarless got off to a bit of a slow start in 2011, as Finley returned to the lineup after missing most of the 2010 season. Quarless started two games and only caught three passes before suffering his knee injury took place in New York against the Giants and he was lost for the season.

2012 Replacements

To say that Quarless was "replaced" last season is a bit of a misnomer, as he did not practice in training camp and started the season on the Physically Unable to Perform list. He was activated in November in the hopes that he could make it back on the field, but his rehabilitation apparently did not allow that and he was returned back to injured reserve again a few weeks later. Tom Crabtree was the second option at tight end in his absence and while Crabtree did score a few highlight-reel touchdowns, he was allowed to leave in free agency without a qualifying offer. D.J. Williams has gradually moved into a little more of an H-back role, while Ryan Taylor remains a special teams stalwart while making little to no impact on offense.

Recovery Outlook

The start of training camp will take place a little over 18 months after Quarless' ACL and MCL were repaired in January of 2011. That combined with the fact that the team was hopeful enough for his return in 2012 that they put him back on the active roster for a few weeks is encouraging.

2013 Roster Preview

Bob McGinn of the Journal-Sentinel notes that Quarless was the best blocker in the unit in 2011 before his injury. That alone should make a healthy Quarless the second option among the tight ends currently on the roster. Even if the Packers draft a tight end like Tyler Eifert or Gavin Escobar in the early rounds, Quarless' blocking ability will get him on the field. So long as his knee is back to full strength and he shows up to camp in good shape, he will likely be a very important piece to the Packers' puzzle on offense.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 06, 2013, 01:53:53 am
That's what makes this rivalry so good, jj.  We'll see.  I think we both need to look out for 49ers and Seahawks.

 One of us will get past one of them ... SFO with like 14 draft picks makes this hard to do.

 Stranger shiit has happened.  :o
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 09, 2013, 03:01:47 am

 With the Bears' offseason program only entering its second week, the surroundings at Halas Hall are still a bit unfamiliar to recent free-agent acquisition D.J. Williams.  But after the most difficult year of his NFL career in 2012, the change of scenery figures to reinvigorate the veteran linebacker. Released by the Broncos March 20 after nine seasons in Denver, Williams signed a one-year contract with the Bears five days later.

 
 
"I would have loved to retire as a Bronco," Williams said. "But I still feel like I've got a few years of football left in me and I'm just thankful that the Bears are giving me an opportunity to perform."

Williams, 30, was selected by the Broncos with the 17th pick in the first round of the 2004 draft out of Miami. A full-time starter his first eight seasons, he appeared in only seven games with one start last year due to off-the-field issues. Williams was suspended six games for violating the NFL's performing enhancing drug policy and three contests following his second DUI arrest."It was very difficult," Williams said. "Even when I came back-I came back in amazing shape-our team was on a roll and they had good chemistry, so it was kind of hard for me to really get on the field. But I'm a team player, so I filled in when needed.

"It was frustrating. It also humbles you and shows you how much you really do love the game and how important it is to you."

Williams is excited about his fresh start with the Bears, even if it means stepping into the middle linebacker position that was manned by future Hall of Famer Brian Urlacher the last 13 seasons.

"He was a great player," Williams said. "I watched him as a young player in college and was able to be in the league with him. I'm not trying to fill his shoes, even though I probably will be playing his position. Our games are different, so I'm not trying to be him. I'm just trying to be me."

For Williams, the key to dealing with the pressure that comes with following a legend is simple.

"Perform; that's it," he said. "If you go out there and perform and do well and help your team win, fans will love you. If you go out there and stink it up, you're going to get that type of criticism."

Although he won't try to fill Urlacher's shoes, Williams is honored to join a Bears middle linebacker legacy that also includes Hall of Famers Bill George, Dick Butkus and Mike Singletary.

"I feel privileged," Williams said. "To come here and be part of a team that loves defense in a city that loves defense, I'm just grateful and I love the opportunity. I'm excited about it."

Williams produced consistently in Denver while appearing in 127 games with 115 starts. Playing both inside and outside linebacker with the Broncos, the 6-1, 242-pounder registered 816 tackles, 20.5 sacks, two interceptions, 13 forced fumbles and seven fumble recoveries.  

 Asked to describe himself, Williams said: "I'm a huge team player. I love my teammates. I've always been like that with football. I love to play and I love to joke around. Whether the joke's on me or somebody else, I find humor in it. And I'm a hard worker."

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on April 12, 2013, 01:54:43 pm
Ok this guys kicking video is kind of cool, but what happens when guys are running at him?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/havard-kickalicious-rugland-signs-detroit-lions-212003247--nfl.html
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 15, 2013, 12:53:35 pm
Brett Favre on Rodgers, the Packers and other stuff.  He has his head up his ass, usual.

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2013/4/15/4225386/brett-favre-interview-packers-ted-thompson-cowboys
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 15, 2013, 02:39:40 pm

 Bet you loved him when he was playin for the Pack.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on April 16, 2013, 08:12:47 am
Why?  Too funny.

The Baltimore Ravens appear to have found a new backup quarterback for Joe Flacco.

According to Jeff Dickerson of ESPNChicago.com, the Ravens are expected to sign former Chicago Bears and Denver Broncos quarterback Caleb Hanie.

Hanie will likely compete with Tyrod Taylor for the backup job behind Joe Flacco. Hanie spent the first four years of his career in Chicago before signing with Denver last season. Hanie has appeared in 10 games, making four starts for an injured Jay Cutler in 2011, and thrown for 679 yards and three touchdowns with 10 interceptions.

Hanie did not see the field last season as the backup to Peyton Manning in Denver.
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Post by: yapper on April 16, 2013, 09:13:05 am
My personal feeling regarding the Packers is that they are going to regress this season. 

That being said, I think they will still make the playoffs -- possibly at the Bears expense again -- and they will beat the Bears in at least one of our two regular season matchups.

It is going to take awhile for Trestman to get the Packers out of the Bears' heads -- especially Cutler's -- and until I see proof we can take Clay Matthews out of the equation I have to assume he'll continue having career games against us.
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Post by: dallasbear on April 16, 2013, 10:24:44 am

Kind of early to be making any kind of predictions but I'm hoping we sweep the Packers.

Last year and the years before the Bears' problems against the Pack can be traced to Jay Cutler and the passing game.  In the first game last year Cutler threw 4 picks and was sacked 7 times.  Marshall had 2 receptions and I think the rest of the wideouts combined for only 2 or 3 more. 

The second game was a little better.  Cutler was only sacked 4 times and threw 1 pick.  And he found Marshall 6 times.  The problem was that no other WR or TE had a reception.

Not many teams are going to shut down the Packers and Rodgers - we do about as good as any team.  If we can add another starter on the offensive line via the draft we might have a chance to cut down on the sacks and reduce negative plays and negative situations for Cutler. 

The question is do we have enough receiving firepower if the Pack decides to take out Marshall. 

We've added Martellus Bennett and Jeffery should be better this year - is that enough?
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Post by: yapper on April 16, 2013, 10:27:52 am
The Bears need a psychological makeover when it comes to the Packers.  I think that may be a 2-year job for Trestman.

Yeah we're getting our talent up to snuff but we still have to get Rodgers and Matthews out of our heads and that's a coaching thing, not a talent thing. 

The good thing is, if we can solve the Packers then we're well down the road to knowing how to win big games against other quality teams like the Niners, Seahawks and other legit playoff teams who have embarrassed us in recent years. 
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Post by: dallasbear on April 16, 2013, 10:48:15 am

I totally disagree.  Yeah, psychology may play a small part in the Pack kicking our azz annually.  But its about talent and matchups.

The Packers are not some mediocre team and they consistently make the playoffs and are among the top 2 or 3 NFC teams.

Packers did not have a particularly strong defense and pass rush - but they dominated us last year in those areas. 

And when I say a lack of talent I am also referring to the coaching - especially on the offensive side.   We better see an improvement in that department this year too.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 16, 2013, 11:12:00 am
I would be interested to know how Bushrod has fared against Clay Matthews when they have faced-off.

Granted all the Packers have to do is shift Matthews over to the other side to take advantage of Webb/Carimi/Scott...  but knowing how Bushrod has performed against Matthews in the past would help us know if we can expect improvement on that front.
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Post by: packrat on April 16, 2013, 11:21:09 am
I agree with you, dallas.  The Pack only lost one significant player, Jennings, and they played most of last season without him

Perry (Starting RLB), Bishop (starting MLB) and  Bulaga (starting NT) come back off IR this season.

Kicker HAS to be better this season.

Cobb (WR), Boykin (rookie WR), Ross (Rookie WR), McMillian (Rookie S) House (2nd year S), Moses (Rookie LB), Hayward (Rookie starting CB and candidate for Rookie of the year)  and DuJuan Harris (Rookie RB) should all improve with another year to grow.  The team is young and in its growing stage. Look out for break-out seasons for some of these players.

Three RBs ( Green, Starks and Saine) were injured last season and should be back and  healthy this season. 

I have confidence that this year's draft by Thompson will bring in a few more good rookies in the draft.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 16, 2013, 11:25:51 am
Unfortunately, SF and Seattle also improved this off-season, also.
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Post by: yapper on April 16, 2013, 11:54:10 am
And San Fran has a truckload of draft picks to work with next week as well.
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Post by: navigator on April 16, 2013, 12:35:52 pm
yeah, a solid team like SF can afford to move up and get a real play maker in the draft or keep adding quality depth.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 16, 2013, 12:39:35 pm
A team like San Fran can also gam-ble say, a 4th-round pick on a guy like Marcus Lattimore...  stash him the PUP list for his rookie season and have a beast of a RB to start taking over for Gore next year.  Or throw a 3rd-rounder at the Honey Badger and if he smokes himself out of the league in a season or two, no big deal.

Those are longer-term moves you can't make when you only have 5 picks and don't even have 22 quality starters to put on the field.

The rich get richer, as they say.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on April 16, 2013, 03:22:14 pm

packrat

The key to your defense this year will be last year's rookie Perry.  This year the Bears will be prepared to stop Matthews - you need at least one other guy to threaten on the pass rush.

Offensively, if Newhouse is still your LT after the draft...I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on April 16, 2013, 03:42:47 pm
Packers may still have Newhouse at LT but I expect they will be much improved on the inside.  I look for them to draft a C next week and there are several very good prospects likely to be available even down at their 2nd round pick. 

The prospect of the Packers getting Schwenke or Barrett Jones doesn't excite me at all.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on April 16, 2013, 04:10:26 pm

You can't count on rookies performing no matter where you draft them. 
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Post by: yapper on April 16, 2013, 04:14:03 pm
That has certainly been the case for the Bears, anyway.
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Post by: Phill23 on April 16, 2013, 04:28:16 pm
NFL broadcaster, local icon Pat Summerall dies at age 82



http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20130416-nfl-broadcaster-local-icon-pat-summerall-dies-at-age-82.ece

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 16, 2013, 08:20:08 pm
packrat

The key to your defense this year will be last year's rookie Perry.  This year the Bears will be prepared to stop Matthews - you need at least one other guy to threaten on the pass rush.

Offensively, if Newhouse is still your LT after the draft...I'll be happy.

You are right on target, again, dallas.  Counting on improvement by any of the present DEs is very chancy.

More or less forgotten in last year's season, Matthews started out with a lot of sacks.  Someone suggested he was back on some drug.  Then, Perry was injured and down went Matthews' sacks.  Perry was not a complete OL last year because of learning pass coverage skills.  He did have couple of sacks himself and put heat on QBs.   It took some of the heat off Matthews.

You have read the situation very well.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on April 17, 2013, 04:35:01 pm
t's another week and another mock draft with a different projection for what the Green Bay Packers will do with the 26th overall pick in this year's NFL Draft. While we have seen players from all different positions projected to be chosen by Ted Thompson, SBNation's Matthew Fairburn has one of the first mocks that is really trying to get a handle on the possibility of picks swapping hands in the first round. With that in mind, you can probably imagine what the Packers are projected to do here: trade back into the second round.

The Packers are projected to trade with the Buffalo Bills, who currently hold the ninth pick of the second round, or the 41st overall pick. It's certainly an interesting scenario with the Bills needing a quarterback, and if they truly lock up a star they would get to sign their QB to a five-year rookie contract by moving up into the first round instead of limiting that deal to four years as is the maximum in later rounds.

However, in order to convince the Packers to move back 15 spots from 26 all the way to 41, the Bills would likely need to offer a very appealing package. That would almost assuredly involve their third-round pick at 71st overall, and could even include a later pick in the 2013 draft or a mid-rounder in 2014. However, if they do package their second and third rounders, that would give the Packers four selections between the 41st and 88th picks. That could be exactly what a team like the Packers needs - four players who can contribute right away but who would not absolutely start from day one. With the depth of talent likely to be drafted on the second day, that could definitely be a good option for the Packers.

Another potential trade partner could be the Jaguars, who have the first pick in the second round (33rd overall). However, they would likely only be in play for a trade if they pass on Geno Smith with the second overall selection. Keep an eye on the Eagles (3rd pick in round two/35th overall) and the Cardinals (6th/38th) as potential options as well.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 17, 2013, 08:43:59 pm

 As BEARS did we get our head out of our ass before the draft with FA signings ?
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Post by: packrat on April 18, 2013, 06:38:12 pm
Yes!
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Post by: packrat on April 19, 2013, 04:05:00 pm
Less than a week after forking over an extra $1.2 million to match a New England Patriots offer to wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders, the Pittsburgh Steelers could find themselves back in a bind over another restricted free agent.



2013 NFL Draft: Team needs

Our analysts examine each team's game plan entering the NFL draft, identifying biggest needs, potential fits and more. More ...


Nose tackle Steve McLendon visited with the Green Bay Packers on Wednesday, the Baltimore Sun's Aaron Wilson reported Wednesday.

Packers general manager Ted Thompson has never been much of a buyer in free agency, but he may have found a way to shrewdly pilfer a scheme fit for his 3-4 defense. Even after locking up linebacker Clay Matthews with a five-year, $66 million contract extension, the Packers have plenty of room under the salary cap while the Steelers have just $700,000 available.

Although McLendon has been a rotational player to date, there has been sentiment within the Steelers that he would succeed Casey Hampton as the starting nose tackle this season.

If the Packers sign McLendon to an offer sheet, the Steelers likely will have to restructure another contract or two so they're able to match. Alternatively, they could re-sign Hampton to play out his age-36 season.

UPDATE: McLendon signed a three-year contract worth as much as $7.5 million, a team source told NFL.com's Ian Rapoport on Thursday.
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Post by: packrat on April 19, 2013, 04:08:50 pm
TT apparently concerned about NT position:
 
 
South Carolina strongman Byron Jerideau visits Packers

By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel   

April 18, 2013
If the Packers are looking for strength on their defensive line, one option might be South Carolina DT Byron Jerideau.

The 6-1 1/2, 316-pound Jerideau made a pre-draft visit with the Packers this week.

He's an intriguing prospect because of his strength. According to the school, he has squatted 670 pounds and benched 500 pounds. Not surprisingly, he was presented with an Outstanding Weight Room award last spring.

As a fifth-year senior, Jerideau started all 13 games and made 40 tackles. He had 2 1/2 sacks and 5.5 tackles for loss. He played tackle and was required to take on double teams quite a bit even with star end Jadeveon Clowney drawing a ton of attention.

He started lifting weights when he was in sixth grade and may be the strongest player ever to play at South Carolina.

Jerideau will have to explain to the Packers an incident in 2012 in which he was arrested  for Traffic / Pedestrian on a controlled access highway and Disorderly / Public disorderly conduct. Jerideau allegedly used profanity "in a loud manner" at oncoming traffic while attempting to cross a street.

After the incident he was suspended from the team for three weeks. He said that reports of what happened that night were not accurate.

“When it happened, a lot of people, going by the police report, were thinking and talking badly about me, but they didn’t know what really happened,” Jerideau said “That’s not me.”

Jerideau graduated in December with a degree in criminal justice.

At his pro day, he weighed in at 6-0 7/8 and 334 pounds. He ran the 40-yard dash in 5.16 seconds, had a 25-inch vertical and benched 225 pounds 37 times.


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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 19, 2013, 07:12:53 pm

 Packy,

 The Packers keep it close to the vest.
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Post by: packrat on April 20, 2013, 08:11:05 pm
he NFL rules state that the league day ends at 4 PM Eastern Time. The deadline for NFL teams to submit offer sheets for other teams' Restricted Free Agents is Friday, April 19th. Cornerback Sam Shields, who received a second-round tender from the Packers, did not get any offer sheets from any other teams by 4 PM Friday. Put that all together and you can see that Sam Shields is now guaranteed to be a member of the Green Bay Packers for the 2013 season.

Shields' current tender will pay him $2.023 million this season if he signs it. Of course, the Packers appear to be interested in signing the young corner to a long-term deal this offseason to keep him in Green and Gold beyond 2013. Any extension would naturally affect his cap hit this year, as it would likely involve a signing bonus and adjustments to Shields' base salary. The good news is that there is no longer a chance of him playing elsewhere this year while Ted Thompson and company work on an extension.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 21, 2013, 07:18:06 pm

 
he NFL rules state that the league day ends at 4 PM Eastern Time. The deadline for NFL teams to submit offer sheets for other teams' Restricted Free Agents is Friday, April 19th. Cornerback Sam Shields, who received a second-round tender from the Packers, did not get any offer sheets from any other teams by 4 PM Friday. Put that all together and you can see that Sam Shields is now guaranteed to be a member of the Green Bay Packers for the 2013 season.

Shields' current tender will pay him $2.023 million this season if he signs it. Of course, the Packers appear to be interested in signing the young corner to a long-term deal this offseason to keep him in Green and Gold beyond 2013. Any extension would naturally affect his cap hit this year, as it would likely involve a signing bonus and adjustments to Shields' base salary. The good news is that there is no longer a chance of him playing elsewhere this year while Ted Thompson and company work on an extension.

 Mmmmm boy Packy you just found out that you are like the rest of us.
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Post by: packrat on April 22, 2013, 08:51:10 pm
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/04/22/2013-defensive-prototypes-secondary/ (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/04/22/2013-defensive-prototypes-secondary/)

Casey Hayward listed (at the end) as a prototype slot CB.
 
Tillman is prototypical cover 2 CB.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 26, 2013, 12:31:05 am

 Who won in the first round ?
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Post by: packrat on April 26, 2013, 03:56:29 pm
Any guess would be wild speculation at this point.  I think the Bears and Packers did OK.
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Post by: packrat on April 26, 2013, 05:16:03 pm
The Green Bay Packers have announced they have signed Aaron Rodgers to a contract extension:



 

UPDATE: Friday, April 26, at 6:08 p.m. ET by Ian Hanford

Aaron Rodgers showed how happy he was about the deal on Twitter shortly after the terms were announced:

 

---End of update---

 

According to Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the deal is five years, $110 million:



According to NFL.com's Ian Rapoport, Rogers will earn $40 million in the first year:



Rodgers, 29, played in all 16 regular-season games for the Packers in 2012, throwing for 4,295 yards, 39 touchdowns and only eight interceptions to help lead Green Bay to a 11-5 record and its second consecutive NFC North division title.

The Packers won their NFC Wild Card matchup against the Minnesota Vikings last January but fell on the road to the eventual NFC champion San Francisco 49ers in the divisional round. The loss was Rodgers' third in the playoffs.

The Most Valuable Player of Super Bowl XLV, Rodgers boasts a 5-3 career postseason record as a starter.

Since taking over as the full-time starter under center following Brett Favre's departure in 2008, Rodgers has started 78 regular-season games, missing just two over that time. He boasts a 52-26 career record during the regular season as a starter over the past five seasons and has led the Packers to four straight 10-plus-win seasons.

He won regular season MVP honors in 2011 and this past season ranked first among all NFL quarterbacks with a passer rating of 108.0.

Rodgers, taken 24th overall by Green Bay in the 2005 NFL draft, has completed 65.7 percent of his career passes for 21,661 yards, 171 touchdowns and just 46 total interceptions. He has another 18 career touchdowns rushing.

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Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 26, 2013, 10:04:40 pm

 Packy you do realize that everybody in the NFC NORTH is stocking up to stop him dont you ?
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Post by: packrat on April 30, 2013, 05:18:34 pm
I suppose so.
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Post by: packrat on April 30, 2013, 05:34:48 pm
Packers seventh round WRs potential.

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20130428/PKR01/304280296/Seventh-round-receivers-show-potential-beyond-collegiate-hiccups
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Post by: packrat on April 30, 2013, 05:41:58 pm
One of THREE ISU players signed by GB:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-saw-something-in-illinois-states-nate-palmer-9a9onji-205337481.html
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Post by: 46 on April 30, 2013, 08:19:15 pm
What a steaming pile of maggot vomit the ny Jets are.  They chop Tebow after the draft, ufa signed, leaving him with virtually no place in the nfl.  Then the streamer on espn says that the Jets are going to have this massive cluster of people competing for the qb position.  Again the 46 is the first to admin I'm not the consumate football pro, but just because the guy doesn't play the position like other people think he should, shouldn't get him launched. All he did in Denver was win a playoff game.  He had guys believing and working.  That franchise is foul, and hopfully will win all of two games next year.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 01, 2013, 05:17:44 am
Couldn't agree more about the Jets. 
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Post by: Bears4Ever on May 01, 2013, 09:45:54 am
Jets are a train wreck (horrifying, yet you just can't look away...).....
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Post by: yapper on May 01, 2013, 09:51:12 am
Geno Smith has been coming off as a first-rate dooshbag since well before the draft.  Skipping the Senior Bowl, visibly pouting in the green room during the draft then firing his agent afterward, saying he should have been drafted a lot higher than he was, etc.  And he's going to the Jets.  Somehow that seems perfect.
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Post by: BearHit on May 01, 2013, 10:58:59 am
He should make Tebow his new agent
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Post by: yapper on May 01, 2013, 11:04:37 am
My opinion is that a combination of 2 really good WRs and sub-par competition made Geno look a lot better than he is.

He's gonna get exposed in the NFL and if he can't handle himself any better when that happens than he has so far, it could get real ugly.
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Post by: yapper on May 01, 2013, 11:08:03 am
Hmmm...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/01/bengals-to-convert-auburn-speedster-to-corner/

They might want to ask the Bears how that turned out with Hester...   and Hester was 20 lbs heavier than this guy too.
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Post by: dallasbear on May 01, 2013, 11:46:02 am

Hester was never really an established receiver or corner in college.   Even though this kid from Auburn was a receiver in college he may have not had the skills (hands, route running, mental aptitude) to play WR in the NFL.   But there are specific corner skills too besides.
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Post by: boogie on May 01, 2013, 11:46:35 am
Wasnt Jerry Azumah a RB in college?  He turned into a decent CB.
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Post by: yapper on May 01, 2013, 12:03:19 pm
This Auburn kid is 173 lbs.  Any NFL WR not named Tavon Austin will outweigh him by anywhere from 20-50 lbs.  He's gonna have to be one hell of a cover corner to make up for his liabilities in tackling. 

That being said, the Bengals have had some nice success stories on the defensive side of the ball in recent years (Geno Atkins, Michael Johnson, Vontaze Burfict)...  so if a project like that is gonna work out for anybody, it could be them.
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Post by: dallasbear on May 01, 2013, 02:20:41 pm

Yeah, 173 is kind of small.  He might best be suited for the return game.


And Azumah was a very productive runner from a smaller school somewhere in the northeast.  I remember he had good speed coming out but he had this vertical that was well over 40".  He played right away but took him a couple years to nail down a starting job.
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Post by: yapper on May 01, 2013, 02:29:26 pm
Azumah (coincidentally the last Bear to wear #23 before Hester) was a good player for us and one of the best low-round picks we've had in recent history. I was sorry to see his career end like it did.  As I recall he sustained some sort of neck injury that pretty much ended his playing days... not too long after we signed him to a big extension. 
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on May 01, 2013, 06:12:15 pm
Azumah played at Maine I believe.
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Post by: yapper on May 01, 2013, 10:49:02 pm
I thought it was New Hampshire. Somewhere up there anyway.
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Post by: Eastcoastfan on May 02, 2013, 01:02:09 am
Azumah was a star RB at UNH.
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Post by: yapper on May 03, 2013, 07:49:54 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/02/reid-says-albert-will-play-left-tackle-fisher-will-play-right/

LOL.  And Jacksonville has a Pro Bowl LT in Monroe which means Joeckl will probably play RT too.

Top 2 picks of the draft spent on RTs.  Like I said, a weird year.

It also really bites for teams like Miami, Arizona and San Diego, who have no legit LT to speak of and now have to sniff around the likes of Bryant McKinnie in FA. Fisher or Joeckl would have started at LT on Day 1 for those teams, but they weren't in position to get them.
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Post by: yapper on May 03, 2013, 09:03:33 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/03/dolphins-start-figuring-out-dion-jordans-role-this-weekend/

When the Fins traded up to the 3rd overall pick I figured, smart move, they're going after Lane Johnson.  But then they take this project DE instead.  And now admitting they don't have a clear plan for where he's even gonna play. 

Absolute lunacy for a team that has a young franchise-caliber talent in Tannehill but no LT to speak of.  If I were a Dolphins fan, I'd be furious. 
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 05, 2013, 08:27:08 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/03/dolphins-start-figuring-out-dion-jordans-role-this-weekend/

When the Fins traded up to the 3rd overall pick I figured, smart move, they're going after Lane Johnson.  But then they take this project DE instead.  And now admitting they don't have a clear plan for where he's even gonna play. 

Absolute lunacy for a team that has a young franchise-caliber talent in Tannehill but no LT to speak of.  If I were a Dolphins fan, I'd be furious. 

  We could have had Fredericks in the third round.
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Post by: packrat on May 06, 2013, 04:37:10 pm
The Pack will look like this, versus Cleveland this season .

(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/12774119/129357484.0_standard_730.0.jpg)
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Post by: Keysbear on May 06, 2013, 05:28:26 pm
I really hate this "throwback uniform" nonsense.
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Post by: packrat on May 06, 2013, 07:26:28 pm
I don't mind them once a year.  The players really like the comfort of them.
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Post by: Pekin on May 06, 2013, 07:29:08 pm
Just a way to sell jerseys. 
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Post by: yapper on May 07, 2013, 08:02:05 am
Speaking of uni's....

I guess the league has upped its fines this year on "nonconforming" apparel...  so Earl Bennett says his orange shoes are permanently retired.

They'll still trot players out there wearing pink sh*t for a month though I'm sure.  Whatever.
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Post by: packrat on May 07, 2013, 07:02:18 pm
Packers Rookie Running Back Johnathan Franklin Ineligible for OTAs

By Evan "Tex" Western on May 7 2013, 3:39p  @TexWestern 19 

Seifert notes that the Packers' first-round pick, defensive end Datone Jones, has already graduated from UCLA and is not subject to these limitations. As for the team's other draftees, I looked into their schools' posted exam dates to verify that there will not be any other potential conflicts:
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Post by: yapper on May 08, 2013, 08:04:20 am
Wow...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/07/titus-young-arrested-twice-in-one-day/

What is this guy's deal anyway?  Had the chance of a lifetime being #2 to Megatron and pi**ed it all away.

He couldn't get a tryout with an Arena team now.
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Post by: BearHit on May 08, 2013, 10:23:09 am
Purple Drank?
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Post by: packrat on May 08, 2013, 06:40:35 pm
Can't handle prosperity.
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Post by: packrat on May 10, 2013, 07:06:16 pm
Many pundits lauded the Green Bay Packers for one of the most successful 2013 drafts. One reason for the praise was snatching Eddie Lacy at No. 61 overall, after many projections had him as the No. 1 running back in the draft.



 




The main reason behind Lacy's fall was concern about the running back's toe surgery before his final season at Alabama.

Crimson Tide team doctor E. Lyle Cain Jr. dismissed the idea that the surgery would hinder Lacy's career and explained how the running back's surgery differed from other toe-fusion surgeries.

"The joint underneath the toenail was fused to allow the ligament to work better basically," Cain told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's Tyler Dunne. "It's something you do to give you a better push-off. His big toe moves just like a normal big toe in terms of motion. ... If you fused it completely, it'd give you a stiff big toe and you can't push off and that's a big problem. In Eddie's case, he does not have that. His fusion does not affect his big-toe motion.

"The bottom line is, the fusion he had does not affect his big-toe motion."

Cain said he's had other players who have had the same surgery and led productive NFL careers. He declined to name those players.



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 The 2012 season was one for the ages. Which games will be remembered the most in NFL lore? Elliot Harrison gives you the Top 20.
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Lacy's fruitful junior season -- 1,322 yards and 17 touchdowns -- along with the fact that he had no setbacks as far as the toe was concerned, was proof enough for Cain that the back will be able to carry the load for a long time in Lambeau.

"That answered the question really," Cain said. "I think that takes it out of the equation. ... I expect Eddie Lacy to have a long, productive NFL career. I don't think the toe will be a problem in his career."
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Post by: packrat on May 10, 2013, 07:26:21 pm
Seventh-round receiver has size, speed and numbers


GREEN BAY—Charles Johnson called his shot. He said he’d run sub-4.4, and he did.

“I was very confident. I focused a lot on my explosion and start. I know I can run fast but I wasn’t sure how fast I could come out of the blocks,” the Packers seventh-round pick said of his pro day, when he validated his opinion of himself with a stunning workout by running in the 4.3s.

Who is this guy? Why didn’t anybody know about him? That 40 time must be wind-aided, right?

No, it was run indoors, he said.

Johnson is 6-3, 215, runs a legit 4.35 and caught 128 passes for 2,229 yards and 31 touchdowns over the last two seasons at Grand Valley State, yet, he wasn’t even invited to the scouting combine.

Draft guru Tony Pauline, who studies hundreds of prospects in anticipation of the draft, admits to having known very little about Johnson, but acknowledges the home run Johnson hit at his pro day.

“He has to show he can play that fast. Grand Valley has a history of having kids that put up huge numbers,” Pauline said.

Doubters; Johnson has many.

“This is a guy who slipped through the cracks,” Pauline said.

“I had never run a 40 before in my life that was official,” Johnson said. “Not being invited to the combine, I had extra time to practice.”

What are the chances the Packers might have struck gold in the seventh round? They did once before when they drafted a skinny kid from Alcorn State. That “kid,” Donald Driver, is now the Packers’ all-time leading receiver.

“They’ll see I run 4.3 when I go to camp. They’ll see I should’ve been drafted earlier than the seventh round,” Johnson said of his doubters. “We thought I’d come off in the fifth round. It’s not about when you get drafted, it’s about getting drafted.”

The best guess as to why Johnson lasted to pick No. 216 involves a combination of reasons, the most logical being that Grand Valley State does not offer a lot of exposure, and this was a receiver-rich draft. Johnson also believes an incident that resulted in him being suspended from Eastern Kentucky and transferring to Grand Valley State hurt his draft stock.

“It was a real minor incident. It was immature. I was guilty by association. I was being good to a friend,” he said.

Johnson will put his talent on display for Packers coaches and media alike on Friday, in the first of three days of rookie camp practices.

“I think I can be a playmaker, a guy a team can rely on. I see myself as being a dominant receiver. If I had played at a Division I school, I believe I’d be a first- or second-rounder,” he said.

“I really relate to Julio Jones. When I watch his film, I see myself a little bit.”

Apparently, Johnson was one of the very few who saw it.
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Post by: packrat on May 10, 2013, 07:42:16 pm
Vic, I’ve been hearing a lot about this WR the Packers picked up in the seventh round, Charles Johnson. From what I hear, he has the speed, size and all the tools to be a top WR. I’m just wondering how did he fall all the way to the seventh?

Why did Tom Brady fall all the way to the sixth round? Hey, sometimes the scouts blow it. This might be one of those times. Nobody had an official 40 time on Johnson at Grand Valley State. He had an incident at Eastern Kentucky that caused him to be suspended and to transfer. Johnson told me he thinks that might’ve hurt him. It really hurt him that he was a combine bubble guy who didn’t make the cut. Lots of teams were interested in him, but this was also a draft that had a lot of draft-worthy receivers in it. I talked to Tony Pauline about this. I asked him what kind of information he had on Johnson and Tony said he had nothing. Tony said he thinks all of that conspired to drop Johnson to the seventh round. He might just be one of those players that fell through the cracks. We’ll see.
 
Another steal for TT.
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Post by: packrat on May 10, 2013, 07:59:28 pm
Rory from Oak Creek, WI

Everyone seems really excited about WR Charles Johnson, but if Ted Thompson thought he was so good, why did he wait until the seventh round to get him?

Because he could. Why would you draft a guy earlier than you have to draft him? Chuck Noll wanted to draft John Stallworth in the second round. His personnel man told him to be patient, “We can get him later.” They picked Jack Lambert in the second round and two rounds later they picked Stallworth. This goes with what I’ve been preaching about fitting yourself to the pick. It’s not enough to know who you want to draft, you also have to know when to draft them. When you combine who and when, you achieve full value.
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Post by: Keysbear on May 12, 2013, 03:53:02 pm
Again?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/titus-young-arrested-third-time-in-a-week-resisting-arrest-burglary-assaulting-police-officer-051213
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 12, 2013, 05:28:48 pm

 Packy G.B. has been keeping money tight to the vest and they wanted to skate with TWO RB's.
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Post by: yapper on May 12, 2013, 05:35:26 pm
They need to just lock up Titus Young for a good long time. Enough already.
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Post by: 46 on May 12, 2013, 06:59:27 pm
But,but, it's just a cry for help.  Don't you see?  It's not his fault. He, he was compelled by the inequalitites of his life in the nfl.  Like not being good enough.
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Post by: yapper on May 12, 2013, 07:56:32 pm
I'm just thankful that our GM wasnt stupid enough to blow a draft pick on that clown.
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 12, 2013, 08:30:48 pm
Yeah or on a player like the Honey Badger. But I will question Emery on Williams the MLB from Denver. I think that might backfire on Emery
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Post by: packrat on May 12, 2013, 10:09:22 pm
Packy G.B. has been keeping money tight to the vest and they wanted to skate with TWO RB's.

I don't question TT any more, JJ.  Let's watch this season and see how it plays out.
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Post by: packrat on May 12, 2013, 10:26:12 pm
Early betting odds:

If you're like me, you probably are curious as to how the Green Bay Packers are being perceived by others outside of the fan base. One good way to understand unbiased impressions of the team is to look at the Over/Under numbers on total wins for the season as set by Las Vegas and other ****s' sportsbooks to get a feel for where they feel the team will end up.

As National Football Post wrote this morning, the Atlantis **** in Reno, Nevada is the first sportsbook to publish their Over/Under numbers for the 2013 season, and their number for the Packers is a very confident 12. That's a pretty lofty number. Personally, I think that sounds about right, though, as we projected about 12 wins for the team in our schedule analysis. This is tied with the Denver Broncos for the highest number in the league this season, but keep in mind that these numbers are driven by expected betting trends - as a team that has a national fan base and receives a great deal of media attention, this number is probably inflated somewhat.

The point spreads for the individual games are also out there now as well, thanks to Covers.com (at least, they are all there for weeks 1 through 16). Each spread is shown below, relative to the Packers. Remember that the Packers are favored when the spread is a negative number.

Week 1: @ SF (+4)
Week 2: WAS (-4.5)
Week 3: @ CIN (Pick)
Week 5: DET (-4.5)
Week 6: @ BAL (+1)
Week 7: CLE (-7.5)
Week 8: @ MIN (-1)
Week 9: CHI (-4)
Week 10: PHI (-7)
Week 11: @ NYG (Pick)
Week 12: MIN (-4.5)
Week 13: @ DET (-1.5)
Week 14: ATL (-3)
Week 15: @ DAL (-1)
Week 16: PIT (-3)

That's right, the Packers are currently underdogs in only two of the 15 games with announced spreads, and those two opponents, the San Francisco 49ers and Baltimore Ravens, played each other in the Super Bowl this February. One game which did surprise me was the game against the Giants in New York - that team has given the Packers fits and I fully expected to see them favored against Green Bay.
For some reason theyh missed the second Chi gam. ??????

 
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Post by: packrat on May 12, 2013, 10:54:47 pm
Green Bay - This is how different things are for Green Bay Packers second-year quarterback B.J. Coleman:

During a rookie orientation camp practice Friday inside the Don Hutson Center, Coleman came up to the line of scrimmage, got his receivers lined up in the right place, barked out the signals and then did what he couldn't do a year ago at this time.

He dropped back fluidly, read how the safeties had split wide, spotted that his tight end had bent his route to the post and then fired a shot down the middle of the field that dropped right into the fingertips of undrafted free agent Jake Stoneburner.

At this time a year ago, Coleman, a seventh-round pick out of Tennessee-Chattanooga, was up at the line mostly hoping he knew the play that was called in the huddle.

"From Year 1 to Year 2, you're making that jump from doing it to why you did it," Coleman said Saturday. "Sometimes when you get thrown into that rookie camp for the first time, it's like, 'I'm trying to survive. Where's the open guy?'

"This year, it's Cover-2, guy splits the seam, get the ball up and down over the top, get the ball to the tight end, give him a chance to catch and carry."

Right after Coleman high-fived with a teammate, there was coach Mike McCarthy, up in his face.

Only this time, he wasn't telling Coleman what he should have done. He was asking him why he did what he did. Justify your throw and talk about what you would have done had thin...
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Post by: packrat on May 12, 2013, 10:59:43 pm
Back at the  same  old stand, selling Datko at LT:
 
Green Bay - It has taken two surgeries and a lot of rehab for Packers OL Andrew Datko to overcome the effects of a torn labrum suffered his junior year at Florida State.

But Datko finally feels like the healing process is over, both in the shoulder and in his mind.

One of the last things to come around was Datko's confidence in his left shoulder, which took a major hit when he had to spend most of last off-season continuing his rehab and wasn't as strong as he wanted to be when the season rolled around.

The 2012 seventh-round pick has come a long way and just looking at him with his shirt off in the locker room during a break in rookie orientation camp, it's obvious he has made tremendous gains in the weight room. He said he began to get his confidence back around Week 4 last year while serving on the practice squad and now he's back where he should have been last year.

"You have to be healthy in mind before you go out there, so when you come back that mind has to be right," Datko said. "You see what people with ACLs, they favor the leg when they come back. It’s really another process to come back from an injury.

"It's like what (Chicago Bulls guard) Derrick Rose went through. You might be healthy, but you might still be favoring it. Trust in your injury repair is another step in the process. I’ve knocked that out."

Because of his practice squad status, Datko is allowed to take part in the rookie camp. The coaches have him working at left guard instead of his natural left tackle position, but it doesn't necessarily mean he'll wind up there.

Offensive line coach James Campen likes his linemen to know at least two positions and Datko could very well end up knowing four by the time training camp rolls around. He doesn't seem to care where he plays though because after what he's been through, he would kick off if they needed him...
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Post by: Sportster on May 13, 2013, 12:14:17 am
Bears only play Pack once?!???
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 13, 2013, 08:52:36 pm
Bears only play Pack once?!???

I mentioned that error in my post.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 14, 2013, 07:41:51 am
woo hoo, only playing the Pack once would be a nice break. With our recent history, we would have better odds against anyone else in the league!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 14, 2013, 10:48:25 am
I think the Bears and Packers will split this year.

If we could sweep the Pack after all these years they've owned us, then Trestman should get Coach of the Year just for that alone.  But I don't see it happening.  Pack will probably beat us the first time and then by the rematch we'll have our poop in a group and be able to take them.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on May 14, 2013, 03:38:10 pm
Man I'm getting old.  Chuck Muncie died.  Then again, Chuck did ALOT of coke.  A lot.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 15, 2013, 12:34:59 pm
What?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/15/rolando-mcclain-retires-from-nfl/

The dude is 23 yrs old.

Oh well...  at least he didn't stick around and steal millions a year for 4-5 yrs.  Gotta give him credit for that.  Given his past history though I have to think his odds of a long and happy life after football aren't real good.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 19, 2013, 04:24:28 am

 The NFC Norf & THE CHICAGO BEARS.

 New territory unexplored ... people left ... people just as fast picked up.

 Then the draft ...

 New H.C.and staff, basically a new G.M.,

 A whole new team from top to bottom.

 How do we break with the odds on this ?

 Were issues addressed ?

 How well did we do in F.A. ? The Draft ?

 This is a bunch of stuff coming together that we never had to face before ...

 in years.

 And here we are. This team takes to the field ... what can we expect ?

 Can we keep up with San Franciscos turnaround ? Can we beat the Atlantas and what Minnie is up to ?

 What about Philly and Redskins ? The AFC is the least of our worries.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 19, 2013, 06:38:18 pm
IMHO the Bears team is better than it was when the new mgment took over.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on May 19, 2013, 08:53:24 pm
They definitely have moved to fix oline and are not overpaying for aging vets.  Hopefully the draft picks pan out and they can get Cutler to the next level.  If they can do the last two, then we shall be fine.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on May 20, 2013, 07:50:55 am
The Oline should be much improved, but I've still got concerns on the D side.The Dline I'm not so sure about and the LB's are a wait and see situation, except Briggs. We know what he brings to the table. The CB's are aging and Safety is a top of mountain, bottom of mountain deal. If we can get consistency out of them, we should be ok.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 20, 2013, 08:50:51 am
Regarding our D...  I think (and hope) that this is the year we finally get to see why Emery made what most people considered a substantial reach taking Brandon Hardin the 3rd round.  Is he gonna replace Wright or Conte at S if one of them falters or gets hurt?  Is he gonna be our nickelback?  Is he gonna play some sort of hybrid LB/S position (think "Rover" in college) to take advantage of his size/speed combo?  If Hardin can really step up and stay healthy, he could be a nice X-factor that really strengthens our D-Backfield even if his exact position and role is still TBD.

Or is he going to follow the track of so many of Angelo's picks (play mostly special teams and sparingly on D, get hurt a lot and be out of the league before the end of his rookie contract)?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 20, 2013, 08:57:10 am

Emery often times favors rookies with extreme measurables over actual production.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 20, 2013, 09:08:09 am
Yeah...  I think it was pretty obvious to Emery (as it was to a lot of Bears fans) that the roster he inherited 2 years ago simply did not have enough players with legitimate NFL talent.  Like I've said before, look at how many of Angelo's picks just dropped off the planet after they left the Bears and it's a pretty good indication they didn't have the right stuff.  You can coach-up guys all you want but if they're not physically cabable of winning matchups vs. the guys against them, there's only so much you can do. He is moving fast and furious to rectify that now.

We have been griping ever since Cutler got here about the lack of quality players -- at WR, TE and OL especially.  Going into only his second season on the job I think Emery has done a more than credible job getting those positions "fixed" as well as beginning to build a nice new young core for our D.  The pressure now falls on the coaching staff to translate the crazy measurables on some of these kids into actual football production.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 20, 2013, 09:32:03 am
And then there's these guys:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/20/seahawks-lead-the-league-in-ped-suspensions-since-2010/

Kinda hoping the league keeps the heat turned up on Cheat Carroll and his crew this season.  It that happens we may see the Seachickens come down to earth a bit.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 21, 2013, 05:51:12 pm
Can hardly believe it.  The practices have just begun and rookie OL Tretter is lost for the season with a broken ankle.  The Packers seem to be cursed with injuries every season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on May 21, 2013, 07:33:35 pm
It's time to pay the piper for all the years of a Hall of Fame QB that never got hurt
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 22, 2013, 07:58:31 am
they still have a HOF QB that never gets hurt!
I'll let our 4th rounders sit out a year to keep our QB upright if that is what it takes.
Our 1st rounders seem to stay banged up a lot.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 22, 2013, 01:25:22 pm
Big blow for the 49ers

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/22/michael-crabtree-suffers-torn-achilles-in-workout/

That WR they drafted might be seeing action sooner than later.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 22, 2013, 02:11:12 pm

They are fortunate they traded for Anquin Bolden.  They also have Mario Manningham.  That's about it.   And the WR they drafted was in the 4th round out of Louisiana Tech - lot to expect from a rookie out of a smaller school.

49ers just took a small step back to the rest of the pack in the NFC.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 22, 2013, 02:20:00 pm
The Bears definitely need the Niners  to  take a couple steps backwards this year.  The Seahawks and Packers too. Then maybe we've got a shot at the postseason.

And don't go to sleep on the Rams.  They have quietly been stockpiling a lot of talent the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 22, 2013, 03:06:27 pm
It's time to pay the piper for all the years of a Hall of Fame QB that never got hurt

Point taken.  I just hope that there are not three four starters out for the season, like last year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 22, 2013, 03:39:43 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BK0jdg6CIAARzEi.jpg)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 23, 2013, 05:23:04 am
Is Woodson in jail?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 23, 2013, 07:11:50 am
More or Less...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on May 23, 2013, 08:20:37 am
One year deal with the Raiduhs. Does he have it in him still? Personally I doubt it....but who knows....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 23, 2013, 08:39:31 am
Urlacher will never say it but I think he has to be a little jealous of Woodson.

They're both going to retire with their original teams and they're both gonna wind up in Canton...  but Woodson is still playing.  And he has a ring.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on May 23, 2013, 08:48:00 am
Woodson's contract includes a $1 million base salary and is worth $4.3 million maximum
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 24, 2013, 05:27:03 am
Money grab...  I hated Woodson in hindsight, but an excellent player.  Going back to the Raiders, so yah it is jail...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 24, 2013, 06:02:36 pm

 How many teams have completly revamped their style ?

 Well theres DAA BEARRSSE ...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 24, 2013, 06:44:46 pm
Money grab...  I hated Woodson in hindsight, but an excellent player.  Going back to the Raiders, so yah it is jail...
He was a big factor in recent Packer successes.  Inspirational guy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 24, 2013, 06:58:38 pm
He was a big factor in recent Packer successes.  Inspirational guy.

 Packy lets hope it holds true for my second team ... the beloved RAIDUHS !
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 25, 2013, 07:19:47 pm
Maybe a year or two.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on May 28, 2013, 03:29:26 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/28/jason-garrett-everyone-is-coaching-and-playing-for-their-jobs/

Lovie Smith will return to the NFL as HC of the Dallas Cowboys in 2014.  You heard it here first.  Garrett is just keeping his chair warm this year.

Monte Kiffin will get the Tampa-2 up and running this year, then retire and Marinelli will once again assume DC duties.  And Brian Urlacher will be hired in some sort of coaching capacity.

Less likely (but possible) is that Henry Melton (a U of Texas alum) joins the crew down there too if he and the Bears can't get a long-term deal done this year.  Maybe Peanut too if Emery chooses not to re-up him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on May 28, 2013, 04:50:07 pm
Can't see Lovie Dovie coaching the Boys. Url being a coach somewhere? Doubt it, at least for awhile. And Peanut will retire a Bear, having gone to no other team.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 28, 2013, 07:44:05 pm
Trouble with cable TV:

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/22/opinion/la-oe-mccain-cable-tv-choice-20130523
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on May 28, 2013, 10:14:32 pm
Can't see Lovie Dovie coaching the Boys.

Neither can I.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 29, 2013, 09:56:30 pm

 THE CHICAGO BEARS start over ... nobody knows what the fuuck is going on ...

 THE MYSTERY TEAM.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 01, 2013, 06:47:14 pm
(http://www.packers.com/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/article_images/2013/05-may/130528-quarless-300.jpg)

Quarless back 100% and ready to to be back in the saddle again.
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Post by: packrat on June 01, 2013, 07:24:37 pm
(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/13974841/153125004.0_standard_730.0.jpg)

Tomorrow marks the start of June, a time when we realize that football season is about three months away. 99% of the offseason transactions around the NFL are complete now, so it's time for fantasy football analysts to start projecting their draft boards. With the caveat in mind that we'll know far more in three months than we do now, why not get an early look at where certain Green Bay Packers are slotting in on the experts' rankings?

For this exercise, we used the rankings from ESPN and the conglomerated Yahoo rankings, which take several of that network's analysts' boards into account. The results are below, and are actually relatively consistent.



Player Position ESPN Overall ESPN Position Yahoo Overall Yahoo Position
Aaron Rodgers QB 12 1 18 2
Randall Cobb WR 35 11 31 11
Jordy Nelson WR 48 17 38 T-14
James Jones WR 69 27 74 29
Eddie Lacy RB 61 26 80 T-31
Johnathan Franklin RB 88 34 103 39
DuJuan Harris RB 222 76 n/a n/a
Jermichael Finley TE 149 18 128 14
Packers Defense D n/a 10 211 10
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 04, 2013, 02:13:29 am

 R.I.P. DEACON JONES ... he may have been an L.A. Ram ...

but this guy set the tempo of the 1985 BEARS.

A badasss mothafuucka.

DEACON JONES 1938-2013

Best quote : Kill more Quarterbacks !

Best inventions :

The double uppercut into the jaw of an OL.

The helmet side headslap.

Both outlawed since he invented them.

He will be missed when football was football.

One thing that will never be taken away that he invented :

THE SACK !!.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on June 04, 2013, 07:40:36 am
wonder how many of the concussions and long term brain injuries suffered by the old-timers were inflicted by him?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 04, 2013, 09:16:52 am
Deacon Jones in his prime was nothing less than a force of nature.

My other thought is that 74 years old for an NFL player from that era has to be considerably longer than the average lifespan for players of that generation based on what we've seen the last few years. I think it's safe to say he has outlived quite a large number of the guys he played with (and against).
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Post by: packrat on June 04, 2013, 11:58:21 am
Packers to wait on new contract for B.J. Raji

Posted by Curtis Crabtree on June 4, 2013, 2:48 AM EDT

Wild Card Playoffs - Minnesota Vikings v Green Bay PackersGetty Images
The Green Bay Packers have managed to take care of two of the cornerstone pieces this offseason with extensions for quarterback Aaron Rodgers and linebacker Clay Matthews.

Defensive tackle B.J. Raji is one of the next in-line for a new contract from the Packers. However, it appears as though Raji is going to have to prove to the Packers one more time that he’s worth it. According to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, the Packers are tabling  talks of a long-term contract with Raji. Instead, the team will let him play out the final year of his rookie contract before making a decision on whether to give him a big deal.

Raji has stated his desire to remain with the Packers and he’s the only top 10 pick from the 2009 NFL Draft to be selected to the Pro Bowl. His best season with the team came in 2010 when he posted 39 tackles and 6.5 sacks. The Packers are making some minor tweaks to their defensive scheme in hopes of Raji returning to his Pro Bowl form.

If Raji can piece together another season like that this year, he’ll ultimately get the contract he’s seeking whether it’s from the Packers or another team.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 07, 2013, 06:14:13 pm
From Vic Ketchman's column in Acme Packers:

Jeff from Albuquerque, NM

Vic, we have speed at receiver and we have hands. Could you report on who you see in minicamp as having both, please?

As you’ve probably detected, I hesitate describing what I see in spring practices. Here’s why: Football without full pads and full contact isn’t football. Frankly, as far as evaluating talent goes, I think OTAs are worthless. The fans, however, won’t accept that kind of dodge. They want to know who looks good. OK, here’s what I see, based on OTAs: The Packers are loaded. They’re loaded at all positions. This team is brimming with talent and, based on OTAs, all of the receivers can run and catch. The new guy, Eddie Lacy, made an inside-out move on a goal-line run on Tuesday that made me go wow inside. I think the Packers got more than a pounder. I think they got a difference maker. Jermichael Finley is playing as I’ve never seen him play. This is, far and away, the best-looking group of big guys on defense I’ve seen in three years. Frankly, I never thought the Packers’ big guys on defense passed the eye test. They do this year. In evaluating a roster, I ask myself this question: Other than for the quarterback, how many teams in the league would trade their team head up for this team? Here’s my answer: Nearly all of them. I’ll be anxious to see if my evaluation remains the same once the pads go on.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 07, 2013, 06:37:42 pm
From Vic Ketchman:

Mark from Hilliard, OH

Vic, past vs. present players makes good conversation, but the game has changed radically over time. Still, in all, good players adjust and I expect that if Sayers, Ditka, Adderley or Robinson showed up at camp, there would be a place for them today.

Every one of those players would be a star in today’s game or in any day’s game. If Herb Adderley played in today’s pass-happy era, he’d be Darrelle Revis. Dave Robinson would be Lawrence Taylor. If Gale Sayers had played in an era when medical science knew how to repair knees, there’s no telling what he would’ve accomplished. He might be the greatest playmaker of all time. Mike Ditka was a two-way end and punter in college. He was so dominant, and he played against Ernie Davis and some of the kings of the game, that following a game against Army the Army coach sought out Ditka to tell him he was the greatest football player he had ever seen. Some of the players from yore wouldn’t fit in today’s game, just as some of the players in today’s game wouldn’t fit in past eras, but the true stars of the game can play in any era.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 07, 2013, 07:04:54 pm
From Vic:

Miguel from Kamuela, HI

In your opinion, which quarterbacks had the most courage in the pocket?

All great quarterbacks are fearless in the pocket. You can’t play quarterback in this league with any kind of success and fear the rush. It just can’t be done. Aaron Rodgers is blessed with sensaround, meaning he can sense everything around him without having to look at it. I’ll bet that if I asked Rodgers, he could tell me where every rusher was when he released a pass, and I’ve watched his eyes closely and they don’t leave downfield. The same is true of Terry Bradshaw; it’s true of any of them. One quarterback I covered, however, sticks out as having been especially fearless. I’m talking about Byron Leftwich. He’s a tall guy with long and thin legs, and he took some fearful shots to those legs that caused him to crumple in ugly and awkward shapes, but he never took his eyes off downfield. Byron always had this big windup delivery that was an engraved invitation for pass rushers, but they never made him flinch. If you wanna know how courageous a quarterback is, watch his eyes after he throws the pass. Are they still downfield, or has he started to look for the late hit? The good ones never take their eyes off downfield. Why? Because they’re fearless.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 08, 2013, 09:50:46 pm

 Packy you just fuucked up and you yourself said it.

 You are going to have an OL to deal with when it comes to THE CHICAGO BEARS.

 This aint your fathers Oldsmobile nor is it THE CHICAGO BEARS past OFFENSIVE LINE.

 This ... is new.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 09, 2013, 05:55:08 pm
That's at makes NFL football so interesting, jj.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 10, 2013, 10:28:23 am
Honestly, all adults should know that court is a serious place to be.  Obviously that's  not the case for ex football players.  He'll remember from now on I bet.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/chad-johnson-cincinatti-bengals-former-wide-receiver-sentenced-30-days-evelyn-lozada-probation-violation-061013
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on June 10, 2013, 11:42:00 am
I've never spent a lot of time in court.

The one time I recall having to go was for a traffic ticket where I wanted to discuss with the DA what my options were.
What I remember was the judge telling each person in line ahead of me that they had to pay in cash and if they didn't have any cash they could stay there or in jail until someone could bring them some cash. I also remember him sending out some young people who showed up in shorts.

Needless to say I sent my wife to the ATM!

PS I ended up getting a prayer for judgment, no tickets since 1998.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 10, 2013, 02:11:50 pm
Annnnnnnddddddddddd.....in keeping with the Bengals theme:http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/cincinnati-bengals-adam-pacman-jones-arrest-two-women-bar-incident-061013
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 10, 2013, 04:33:51 pm
Tebow signing with the Pats.  And we all know who he'll play twice a year (snicker).  Made my day.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 10, 2013, 05:59:37 pm
I wonder what position he will play.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 10, 2013, 07:33:30 pm
I know that answer.  If he wants to stay in the NFL, any damn one they tell him to.  period.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on June 10, 2013, 07:40:27 pm
You have to wonder how much Josh McDaniels had to play with that.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 10, 2013, 09:02:49 pm
Ding! that's what all the ray deeo ohh shows are saying.  talk about a lifeline.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 11, 2013, 07:12:34 pm
Packers training camp through today (6/11).

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2013/6/11/4420562/packers-mike-mccarthy-press-conference-ota/in/4183627
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 12, 2013, 03:03:27 pm
The Packers may part ways with Desmond Bishop.  Someone could pick up a good LB.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/daANJ?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=green-bay-packers
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 12, 2013, 03:09:11 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/daAl1?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=green-bay-packers

Comments by Rodgers.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 14, 2013, 04:23:08 am
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/daAl1?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=green-bay-packers

Comments by Rodgers.

 Packy you think youve got problems ... CHICAGO BEARS !
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 15, 2013, 09:21:09 pm
Time marches on.  Let's see what 2013 brings.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 17, 2013, 07:03:55 pm
Packers cut Desmond Bishop.  Apparently happy with younger players developing.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 17, 2013, 07:15:59 pm
Tweet from Bishop.  Class act.

So much fun, so many memories & friendships forged in Green Bay. Ups & downs, wins & losses! Even a XLV championship. Forever grateful #Pack


2:01 PM - 17 Jun 2013
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 18, 2013, 09:37:54 pm

 Packy,

 You may have noticed this is a BEARS board ... your thoughts on BEARS OL so far ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 19, 2013, 03:31:34 pm
This thread reads "Around the NFL".  I try to stick with Bears talk on the "Bears" thread and the "Bears Draft" thread.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 19, 2013, 03:57:38 pm

Maybe you could do the same with the strictly Packer posts on the Packers' thread... :)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 20, 2013, 01:43:52 am
LOL!!!!!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 20, 2013, 09:17:24 am
Things are starting to get reallll ugly for that kid in NE. Dead bodies. Shooting someone in the face. An "associate" of the deceased. The cops have him in the car at some point. A violent
man.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 20, 2013, 10:08:37 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/20/manziel-was-miffed-over-parking-ticket/

This kid is starting to strike me as a real tool.  Personally I don't think he has the measurables to last long in the NFL to begin with... but if he's an entitled jackazz on top of it, all the more reason to stay away.

I hope some team I don't like drafts him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 20, 2013, 10:46:08 am
Report: Aaron Hernandez To Be Arrested In Connection With Murder


http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/06/20/report-aaron-hernandez-to-be-arrested-in-connection-with-mass-murder/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 20, 2013, 11:12:44 am

So Manziel tweets that he's upset about a parking ticket and he's a now considered a jackazz?

10 years ago this is not news. 

I fault Manziel for being to forthcoming in his tweets.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on June 20, 2013, 11:29:19 am
Cade McNown can help him with that
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 20, 2013, 11:34:19 am
He also said he can't wait to get out of College Station.

Slagging your college while you're still playing there isn't a real class move.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on June 20, 2013, 01:36:27 pm
Yeah but if you have a super cool name like Johnny Football, you can get away with that stuff.  ;)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 20, 2013, 03:52:42 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/20/reports-about-hernandez-background-piling-up/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/20/report-hernandez-destroyed-cell-phone-surveillance-system/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/20/report-aaron-hernandez-likely-to-be-arrested/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/20/storm-clouds-gathering-around-hernandez/

I sincerely hope this isn't what E-Rod was referring to when he said he wanted to be another Aaron Hernandez.

In any event, he's not our problem anymore.

I also have to say I'm not feeling bad at all to see the Patriots finally hitting some hard times.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 20, 2013, 06:51:42 pm
Obviously missed the boat on this one. The kid appears to be taking the position of "prove it".  Busted phones, security system, car, cleaned the mess up  I wonder if the cops will be able to find any of the cleaning crew. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on June 20, 2013, 07:26:32 pm
This seems like a made for tv movie for sure.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 21, 2013, 01:34:32 am

 Boogie,

 The made for TV movie : "TIGHT ENDS , The new Prima Donnas."
 
 News at 11:00 after the show. Followed by the rerun : "RUNNING BACKS , The forgotten."
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 23, 2013, 05:55:00 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on June 23, 2013, 3:37 PM EDT

FreemanAP
The softening of the free-agent market has resulted in shorter contracts, which means that more and more players are having their contracts expire every year.  Which means that more free agents are hitting the market.

In Tampa, the Bucs currently are scheduled to have 20 unrestricted free agents in 2014, according to PewterReport.com...

WOW!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 23, 2013, 09:04:40 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on June 23, 2013, 3:37 PM EDT

FreemanAP
The softening of the free-agent market has resulted in shorter contracts, which means that more and more players are having their contracts expire every year.  Which means that more free agents are hitting the market.

In Tampa, the Bucs currently are scheduled to have 20 unrestricted free agents in 2014, according to PewterReport.com...

WOW!

 The worm has turned in favor of the owners Packy ...

 the Sam Bradford days of the agents pulling deals are over.

 The JaMarcus Russell deal was the death knell.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 26, 2013, 01:57:56 pm
Hernandez charged with murder. Shocked the Pats could have been so far off on the kids character.  Grew up in Conn., somebody could have done some background checks. Killed a man, why? Just because?
Saw also where a Browns rookie has been charged with attempted murder and cut. Getting a bit dicey around pro sports these days, let alone college.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on June 26, 2013, 02:07:42 pm
A stunning, surreal day has taken yet another stunning, surreal turn.

Aaron Hernandez has been charged with the murder of Odin Lloyd.

It’s one of several charges filed today against Hernandez, arising directly from the June 17 discovery of Odin Lloyd’s body less than a mile from Hernandez’s home.

Lloyd, according to the prosecutor, was shot multiple times.

The prosecutor also explained that there was no evidence of a robbery, and that Lloyd’s phone showed communications with Hernandez in the hours preceding his death.  Lloyd’s sister told authorities that Lloyd left his home that morning at 2:30 a.m. in a car believed to belong to Hernandez.

The prosecutor also told the court that roughly six to eight hours of footage were missing from Hernandez’s surveillance system after the murder.  The prosecutor likewise outlined a series of text messages indicating a desire by Hernandez to meet with Lloyd, along with instructions that one or more others urging them to return to the area, presumably for the meeting with Lloyd.

Text messages and public surveillance cameras, per the prosecutor, indicate that Hernandez picked up Lloyd at 2:30 a.m. ET and drove back to North Attleboro.  The prosecutor claims that Hernandez then told Lloyd he was upset that Lloyd had said things to others, making it hard for Hernandez to trust him.

Likewise, the prosecutor explained that Lloyd sent text messages while in the car with Hernandez, making others aware that he was with Hernandez.

The prosecutor said that workers at the industrial park heard gunshot wounds, and that surveillance cameras allow prosecutors to piece together that the car Hernandez was driving was at the industrial park, and within minutes thereafter at Hernandez’s home.

The prosecutor said that Hernandez’s surveillance system shows a person getting out of the car with a gun after the shooting, and walking through the house with the gun.  Shortly after that, the surveillance system shuts down.

Perhaps most importantly, the prosecutor said a shell casing was found in the car rented by Hernandez.  It matches the shell casings found at the scene of the shooting, according to the prosecutor.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on June 26, 2013, 03:52:34 pm
how do you screw up so bad?
I can see if you carry all the time getting in  a heated argument and killing someone. That I understand.
What I cannot understand is a high profile NFL player doing something that appears to be pre-meditated murder knowing all he has to lose.

I mean at least hire someone to do the job.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 26, 2013, 06:45:51 pm

 Cedric Benson ... we have our share of losers.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on June 27, 2013, 11:30:24 am
how do you screw up so bad?
I can see if you carry all the time getting in  a heated argument and killing someone. That I understand.
What I cannot understand is a high profile NFL player doing something that appears to be pre-meditated murder knowing all he has to lose.

I mean at least hire someone to do the job.


See Rae Curruth.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 27, 2013, 11:45:34 am
Reports are now coming out that he is being looked at for a double homicide last July.  The Pats knew nothing? zip? This ain't a guy in a bar fight. This is a sociopath.  Shoot you because you sneezed
at the wrong time.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on June 27, 2013, 01:26:30 pm
Suddenly, that other TE of the Patriots doesn't seem like such a bad guy after all.

Hmmm....  dancing shirtless in bars and banging p0rn stars, or hard core gang involvement and multiple murders?  I'll take Door #1 please.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 28, 2013, 08:11:22 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1686475-espn-refers-to-aaron-hernandez-as-aaron-rodgers-packers-qb-not-amused?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=green-bay-packers (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1686475-espn-refers-to-aaron-hernandez-as-aaron-rodgers-packers-qb-not-amused?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=green-bay-packers)

 :-(
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 28, 2013, 08:14:09 pm
Aaron Rodgers of Packers too low on NFL 'Top 100 List'


  :-(  WTF!  #6?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 28, 2013, 08:26:12 pm
Cutler, Melton Left off NFL 'Top 100' Players List

:-(  Crazy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 29, 2013, 01:50:47 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on June 28, 2013, 10:05 PM EDT

ObamaAP
The President wants a favor from the NFL, unrelated to avoiding an international incident with Russia.  The NFL has told him nyet.

According to the Washington Post, the league won’t be assisting with the promotion of Obamacare.  The administration had asked the NFL and other sports leagues to help increase awareness of the details of the law, which sooner enters a new phase of its implementation.

“We have responded to the letters we received from members of Congress to inform them we currently have no plans to engage in this area and have had no substantive contact with the administration about [the health-care law’s] implementation,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told the Post.  (That’s a long, drawn-out way of saying, “We’re staying out of this.”)

The decision comes in response to efforts from members of Congress to persuade sports organizations to remain, yes, on the sidelines.

“It is difficult to understand why an organization like yours would risk damaging its inclusive and apolitical brand by lending its name to its promotion,” Senator Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Senator John Cornyn (R-Tex.) said in a letter to the NFL, the NBA, MLB, the NHL, NASCAR, and the PGA.

Hopefully, the NFL extracted in return for its decision not to promote Obamacare a promise from Republicans to leave the league alone on topics like stripping the NFL of its tax-exempt status and banning blackouts of games at publicly-funded stadiums.  (Dolphins owner Stephen Ross also would appreciate it if the party disowns Florida House Speaker Will Weatherford
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 29, 2013, 02:08:51 pm
PFF top 10 NFL CBs:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/06/28/five-years-of-pff-grades-top-10-cornerbacks/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 29, 2013, 02:12:28 pm
PFF top 10 edge-rushers:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/06/17/five-years-of-pff-grades-top-10-edge-rushers/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 03, 2013, 06:36:42 am

 Packy,

 Your RB's and my LB's
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 06, 2013, 01:50:17 pm
Overall Grade for Linebackers

1. Patrick Willis, San Francisco 49ers (+139.4)

There was no doubt that Willis would be atop this list, as he has been one of the Top 2 inside/middle linebackers in each of the past five years. After getting drafted in the early first round of the 2007 draft, he has amazed in both the run game and pass game.

His 289 stops over the past five years is the most of any player, while his 25 passes defended is the most for all linebackers over that time. Although he doesn’t have a reputation as a pass rusher, his 16 sacks are the fourth-most for inside/middle linebackers. There is no linebacker who can do as well in all three aspects of defense as Willis. While there are never any guarantees for who ends up in the Hall of Fame, Willis is certainly on the right path.

2. Bart Scott, Baltimore Ravens & New York Jets (+69.9)

While the top spot was a no-brainer, Bart Scott’s place on the list might be a surprise. He was decent in coverage and at times as a pass rusher, but made his mark in the run game. While Scott was never one to compile a lot of tackles, 73.8% of his running game tackles over the five-year span were stops. This was the second highest rate for all inside/middle linebackers with at least 120 tackles.

In his last year with the Ravens in 2008, as well as his first two years with the Jets, he rarely missed tackles with just 11 misses in those three years. Over the past two years though, Scott has had his snaps decrease and missed tackles increase which led to his recent release. His greatness in those first three years was enough to counteract his recent decline to land him second on this list.

3. Derrick Johnson, Kansas City Chiefs (+61.9)

It took a few years for Johnson to live up to being a first-round pick in the 2005 draft. Fast forward to the past four years and we have seen Johnson become the most well-rounded linebacker in the AFC. While no particular year of Johnson’s stands out, the culmination of year after year of solid play has given him some well-deserved respect.

In the run game alone he has 178 stops (fourth-most among linebackers) and seven forced fumbles which is the most at the position. In the passing game, his 20 passes defended is also the fourth-highest. With most of the linebacker talent now in the NFC, we should see Johnson make the Pro Bowl year after year until someone takes his throne as the AFC’s best inside linebacker.

4. Daryl Smith, Jacksonville Jaguars (+53.7)

It’s hard for a 4-3 outside linebacker to get much respect since they aren’t often the ones to get sacks, and the middle linebacker is typically the one to get the most tackles. Like most linebackers on this list, Smith has built his game around being a well-rounded player. In 2009, Smith had a breakout year with 55 stops and 27 pressures.

While he didn’t have the same year in 2010, in 2011 he ended up having the best year we’ve seen out of a 4-3 outside linebacker not named Von Miller. He tallied eight passes defended which was the most out of a 4-3 outside linebacker in any of the past five years. After missing nearly all of 2012, he is now with the Ravens. If he can play anywhere near like he has in the past, then Baltimore can continue their trend of great players in the middle of their defense.

5. NaVorro Bowman, San Francisco 49ers (+49.3)

If this were a list of the best linebackers of the past two years, then Bowman would be second on the list behind his teammate Patrick Willis. After seeing little playing time as a rookie in 2010, he broke out as our best inside linebacker in 2011. While in 2012 he didn’t play as well in 2011, he was still one of the best players at the position.

He has a Run Stop Percentage of 12.3%, which is by far the best at the position for those who have played more than a year. Bowman has also been a Top-5 player in passes defended over the past two years. If you were to ask me to predict the Top 10 linebackers for the next five years, Bowman is one of the few who would end up on both that list as well as this one.

6. Ray Lewis, Baltimore Ravens (+44.8)

Even though the past five years were the tail end of Lewis’ outstanding career, and his play was clearly on the decline, he still played well enough from age 33 on to be among the best linebackers in the league.

He has his 2009 and 2011 seasons to thank for his placement on this list, though — in those two seasons he produced 58 and 59 stops, respectively, with just eight missed tackles in each season. He was a liability in coverage when healthy in 2012 which really hurt his ranking on the list, but after earning another Super Bowl ring I’m guessing he won’t mind.

7. Lawrence Timmons, Pittsburgh Steelers (+43.4)

Over the past five years Timmons has built his reputation as a pass rusher in the Steelers’ 3-4 defense. His 118 overall pressures, as well as his 23 sacks are by a comfortable margin the most for players playing inside linebacker over the past five years.

By far his best season came in 2010 when the Steelers made it to the Super Bowl. In that season his Run Stop Percentage of 12.3% topped the league at the position. He has yet to show that excellent play since that season which has prevented him from being mentioned among the best in the league.

8. Takeo Spikes, San Francisco 49ers & San Diego Chargers (+40.6)

Prior to Willis and Bowman being the best linebacking duo in the league, there was Willis and Spikes. In 2008 Spikes was our highest rated inside linebacker thanks to three interceptions, allowing just 8.5 yards per catch, and registering only two missed tackles. His ranking among linebackers decreased by a small margin in 2009 and 2010, but it was those three years that placed Spikes on this list.

After the 2010 season, the 49ers made the wise choice to insert NaVorro Bowman in the starting lineup, which brought Spikes to San Diego. A healthy Spikes wasn’t a liability for the Chargers, but then again he wasn’t much of an asset either.

9. Desmond Bishop, Green Bay Packers (+37.5)

The best individual game by an inside/middle linebacker over the past five years belongs to Bishop in his very first start of the Packers’ 2010 Super Bowl season. He had seven quarterback hurries as well as five additional stops against the Redskins. Ironically, the fifth-highest overall game by an inside/middle linebacker also belongs to Bishop in his last game in the ‘Green and Gold’ with five pressures and four stops against the Giants in the 2011 playoffs. Bishop was very consistently above average in every game in between, which was enough for him to make this list.

10. Lance Briggs, Chicago Bears (+34.5)

While Brian Urlacher has a better reputation than Briggs in Chicago, over the past five years Briggs has impressed the most. This is mostly due to his coverage play, where 99 stops in the pass game is the most for 4-3 outside linebackers — just barely beating out Chad Greenway of the Vikings. While Urlacher has also been very good in coverage, Briggs has put up some solid seasons in the run game as well.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 08, 2013, 04:06:11 pm

 Packy,

 The situation still stands ... CHICAGO BEARS LINEBACKERS against GREEN BAY RUNNING BACKS.

 A rookie class on both sides. This shiit outta get interesting.
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Post by: packrat on July 08, 2013, 06:03:11 pm
Can't wait!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 08, 2013, 06:09:21 pm
Can't wait!

 No shiit ... thats why the game is played babes.

 You have two class A RUNNING BACKS ...

 We got the LINEBACKERS to counter that.

 This outta get interesting.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 16, 2013, 06:20:28 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on July 16, 2013, 6:24 PM EDT

Cash
The NFL keeps the financial records of 31 franchises pressed closely against its platinum-plated, diamond-encrusted vest.  For one team, the publicly-held Packers, the nature of the ownership structure requires all financial information to be released to the masses.

The masses have now learned that the Packers have amassed record revenues and profits in their most recently-complated fiscal year.

Via the Associated Press, CEO Mark Murphy told reporters that the franchise generated $308.1 million in revenue, a two-percent increase over 2012′s high-water mark of $302 million.  Profits came in at $54.3 million, a 26.4-percent increase over the $43 million realized in 2012.

The growth comes despite a 1.7-percent drop in unshared local revenue, such as the home team’s share of ticket prices, local media deals, Pro Shop sales, and Lambeau Field tours.

The disparity suggests that league-wide shared revenues remain strong to quite strong, and that every other franchise has likely made a sizable profit in recent months, thanks to the ongoing growth of the game and a favorable labor deal that the owners are trying not to call favorable — and that union leadership is trying not to call unfavorable.

The numbers and reasonable assumptions point to another reality:  The value of NFL franchises continues to increase along with the profits and revenues.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on July 17, 2013, 10:36:02 am
Spellman still fighting his demons

http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20130717/NEWS01/307170023/Former-NFL-lineman-Alonzo-Spellman-back-Burlington-Co-Jail

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 18, 2013, 01:05:58 am
Spellman still fighting his demons

http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20130717/NEWS01/307170023/Former-NFL-lineman-Alonzo-Spellman-back-Burlington-Co-Jail

 Alonzo had 1% body mass due to fat ... fuucking Dick Jauron.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 18, 2013, 09:39:18 am

Spellman was long gone from the Bears before Juaron was ever coach.

Even though Spellman played most of his career under Dave Wannstedt the coach that was in charge when Spellman was actually drafted was....Ditka.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on July 18, 2013, 12:08:24 pm
Thierry,...so much potential, so little production.
Spellman, so much potential, so little production....had one move, the bull rush. Cover that, he's done....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 18, 2013, 09:15:08 pm
Spellman was long gone from the Bears before Juaron was ever coach.

Even though Spellman played most of his career under Dave Wannstedt the coach that was in charge when Spellman was actually drafted was....Ditka.

 DAL,

 i stand corrected about the past ... all BEARS H.C's looked alike back then.

 Wheres Crowten when we need him ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 23, 2013, 09:58:55 am
Spellman was just a physical freak.  OT size with LB speed.  Unfortunately the Bears of that era...  with their stone age medical philosophies, clueless HC (Wanny) and abundance of nightlife diversions...  were quite possibly the worst place in the league he could have gone.  He was also only 20 when he came into the league (which was FAR less common then, than it is now), so that didn't help either.   

He was so damn frustrating to watch because he clearly had the tools to dominate anyone he went up against but it hardly ever happened.  At that time of course nobody knew about his bipolar condition so the majority opinion was either that he was lazy, or was not being properly coached.  Both of which weren't entirely untrue, but the core problem never came to light until he got to the Cowboys and was properly diagnosed. If his mind had been right and he had been in a better environment from the get-go, he had the physical skills to have been one of the all-time greats.
 
The fact that someone that big and strong also had/has serious mental issues is both scary and tragic. Think Titus Young, except 6'4 and 290 ripped pounds. He's still only 41 so you hope he can pull it together for good at some point but if past history is any indication his future doesn't look bright.  Reportedly he made $10 mil during his NFL career but I would bet most if not all of that is gone. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on July 23, 2013, 01:39:22 pm
In the final days before training camps start, teams routinely cast a wide net to work out players, if only to update their emergency lists to cover camp injuries.

The Buccaneers are doing so today.

In addition to the previously mentioned Visanthe Shiancoe and Peyton Hillis, the Bucs are also looking at defensive tackle Tommie Harris, according to Pat Yasinskas of ESPN.com.

Harris was out of the league last year, and played in 2011 for the Chargers. The seven years prior were with the Bears.

The Bucs aren’t particularly deep at defensive tackle, and while Harris might not have anything left, it’s worth checking to see if he’s fit.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 23, 2013, 02:09:08 pm
Yeah I saw that about Tommie too.

I can't imagine he is in anything close to football shape.  He was never that big on conditioning to begin with, and having been out of football last year altogether it wouldn't surprise me if he is at least 25 lbs over his former playing weight right now.

I wish him all the best but given that Schiano runs one of the toughest training camps in the entire league I'd say odds of a successful comeback (with that particular team at least) are very low.  Just passing the physical may be a challenge at this point.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 23, 2013, 04:27:32 pm

If the Chargers don't work  him out the Cowboys should - they too are extremely thin at DT. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 23, 2013, 09:21:10 pm
Also saw that Mark Anderson has been cut by the Bills. The Cowboys could give him a look, too
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 23, 2013, 11:54:49 pm

 Did we do right in the draft and hiring free agents ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 24, 2013, 09:21:30 am

I still would have liked to see the Bears re-sign Idonije.  But I can see their point in that its a contract year for Wootten so they have to give him the snaps to see what he's capable of.  And McClellin was a first rounder so he needs his snaps also.

I'd have penciled in Idonije more at DT on passing downs with occasional backup duty at DE.

And BTW, the Lions signed him for veteran minimum money...something like $800K and only $600K or so counted against their cap.  It wasn't about the money for Idonije as far as I can tell.

In the off-season, Bears they filled a lot of holes:  3 holes on O-line, starting TE, starting and backup LBs, depth at safety, and d-line depth.  Not so sure they addressed backup QB, backup TE, and backup CB/nickel back.  But you only have so much cap space and draft choices.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on July 24, 2013, 09:36:03 am
Did we do right in the draft and hiring free agents ?

I think we did very well in the FA market considering we weren't exactly flush with cash. We significantly upgraded two of the biggest problem areas on our roster (LT and TE) with athletic, team-oriented guys who have veteran experience but are still young enough to contribute to the team longer term.  And we filled in some other holes with decent players at fair (if not below) market value as well.  The position we most glaringly did NOT address via FA, obviously, is backup QB but Trestman and Emery are apparently comfortable banking on McCown and Blanchard so we'll see how that plays out.

Regarding the draft...  all I can say is that our top 2 picks had better give us a lot more this year than our top 2 picks did in their rookie seasons last year.  Long and Bostic both have plenty of ability but it needs to translate to production on the field at the NFL level -- and sooner than later.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 24, 2013, 11:23:48 pm

 Gentlemen,

 I have no idea what is going to happen.

 Theres some serious shiit coming up here.

 We have revamped :

 Upper Management

 Head Coach

 Assitant Head Coaches

 FREE AGENTS

 THE DRAFT

 The beauty of it is : I'm right where your head is at.

 I'm fuucked if I know.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 25, 2013, 05:10:37 pm
At least your assistant coaches aren't suspended due to DUI arrests.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 28, 2013, 06:15:21 pm

Tyler Dunne of the Journal Sentinel   

July 27, 2013
   
Green Bay --- One by one, high-profile players across the NFL continue to say they want human growth hormone (HGH) testing in the NFL. On Friday, league MVP Adrian Peterson said to bring on testing.

And on Saturday, outside linebacker Clay Matthews basically echoed the running back.

“Absolutely," Matthews said. "I’ve been in favor of that for a long time now. I’m glad it finally looks like we’re taking steps in the right direction to even the playing field. I know a lot of players have come out in favor of it so I’m looking forward to it."

Matthews has a unique perspective in that his father spent 19 years in the league. Clay Matthews Jr.'s career stretched from the 70's to the 90's.

"Speaking to my father when he played," Matthews said, "and they leveled the playing field back in the day, it’s always interesting to see the players who maintain their level of play and who fall off. But I also think it’s just a step in the right direction for sports in general.”

It's been two years since the NFL and NFLPA agreed to implement HGH testing. As the Journal Sentinel detailed in April, some former and current players in the league believe that HGH use in the league is common. One anonymous NFC starter said "it's like clockwork," adding "Not tested and it's easy to get. Nowadays, dude? In 2013? (Expletive) yeah."

The player estimated that 10-15 players on each team use HGH.

There has been progress of late. The league and the players association are reportedly working on an agreement.

Asked if he looks at players around the league and wonders himself about the substance's use, Matthews said, "We've got some talented players around here."

"There are some studs around the league," he said. "We’ll see when the time comes. But for the time being we have to deal with some pretty good players out there
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Post by: navigator on July 31, 2013, 03:12:16 pm
I guess they needed to do something different with the pro bowl since it wasn't very popular, sounds like a pretty good shakeup.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-pro-bowl-rosters-determined-180337907--nfl.html
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Post by: yapper on July 31, 2013, 03:21:55 pm
Never cared much about the Pro Bowl in the first place but I am well beyond the point of being fed up with Goodell and company continually fu*cking with what HAD been a pretty good product up till a few years ago.  Rules changes, rescheduling the draft, games in London, now all this tinkering with the Pro Bowl...  enough already.
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Post by: dallasbear on July 31, 2013, 05:34:06 pm
Kickoffs (and return specialists) will be eliminated - teams will start on their own 25-yard line.

Previews of coming attractions...
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Post by: boogie on July 31, 2013, 06:52:10 pm
That Probowl 2 years ago where the players were all going at half speed was embarrassing.  If this can sort of make it somewhat competitive, then have at it. 
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 01, 2013, 05:41:44 am
I don't really no what to do about the Pro Bowl.  It was relevant many years ago when acess to the NFL was limited to Sundays on 2 local channels.  You may never see a certain player in another conference and it was fun to see your team helmet playing with the best.  Now we are so saturated with coverage, we know these players inside and out.  Being it is still football, it is the most physical of the all star games, though thankfully I can not remember a star who was hurt in this game.  I would be fine if the Pro Bowl went away.

On the other hand, I read a post on Peter King's column that I would love to see come to light.  I have probably watched 30 minutes of Hard Knocks show where they show the progress of a certain team through training camp.  What I would love to see as an alternative is something called War Rooms.  Give us access to what teams are saying about players during the draft, and who they are talking about before they draft whoever it is they draft.  I could see where they are talking down about Matt Barkley, and then when the Eagles finally chose him, what they say in the press conference.  The players like honey badger that everyone is afraid of, I want to hear what they are saying and what they do when the player they target falls into their laps.  I think that would be good tv, I would love to see it
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Post by: navigator on August 01, 2013, 07:24:02 am
I wonder how many guys have their contract spikes based on pro-bowl selections.
Now that it is all fan based voting, that takes coaches and players out of the voting. That would lead me to believe the most popular teams will get the most votes because they have more fans.

It would suck to be guys like Hester who one of their goals is to make the Pro-Bowl and they may never get there again.
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Post by: dallasbear on August 01, 2013, 08:57:20 am

I don't care about Fantasy football, I don't care who makes NFL Network's top 100, and I don't care about the pro-bowl. 

Just give me my Bears on Sunday afternoon...and Sunday nights...and of course Monday nights and sometimes on Thursday nights...and occasionally on Saturdays late in the season.
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Post by: dallasbear on August 01, 2013, 09:22:13 am

If any team would agree to opening up their war room to the public it would be Cowboys' Jerry Jones.  He stood right in front of it during an interview after the draft to let the world see his list.

I don't know that it would fly with the rest of the league...it's kind of like opening up a company's yearly compensation review where the performance of the various employees are discussed.   
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Post by: wmljohn on August 01, 2013, 09:26:22 am
Quote
On the other hand, I read a post on Peter King's column that I would love to see come to light.  I have probably watched 30 minutes of Hard Knocks show where they show the progress of a certain team through training camp.  What I would love to see as an alternative is something called War Rooms.  Give us access to what teams are saying about players during the draft, and who they are talking about before they draft whoever it is they draft.  I could see where they are talking down about Matt Barkley, and then when the Eagles finally chose him, what they say in the press conference.  The players like honey badger that everyone is afraid of, I want to hear what they are saying and what they do when the player they target falls into their laps.  I think that would be good tv, I would love to see it

I would love to see Hard Knocks extended to cover the whole season.  Bring the cameras into the evaluation rooms when the coaches are covering the good and bad of the last game.  Bring them into the planning room for the next game.  Bring them into the film rooms where the players and coaches are breaking down the films and practicing for the next game.
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Post by: Phill23 on August 01, 2013, 12:30:58 pm
Trestman's successor fired by Alouettes

Sports Xchange
10:47 a.m. CDT, August 1, 2013


Dan Hawkins, who succeeded Chicago Bears coach Marc Trestman as coach of the Montreal Alouettes, has been fired after only five games.

General manager Jim Popp will replace Hawkins, who guided the Canadian Football League team to a 2-3 start, including a 38-27 loss to Calgary in a game Montreal led by 24 points.

Quarterback Anthony Calvillo, who excelled in Trestman's quick-timing passing offense, has floundered. At age 41, he wasn't a fit in the vertical passing attack Hawkins installed.

Hawkins, 52, was hired in January. He previously coached in the college football ranks at Boise State and Colorado.
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Post by: yapper on August 01, 2013, 12:36:52 pm
I'm surprised Jerry Jones hasn't done the same thing already.

On one hand, if the Alouettes are doing so poorly this year with the same talent they won with under Trestman, that would seem to indicate our new HC knows what he's doing. Or that their new HC is a total buffoon.  Or both.

OTOH, if Trestman played a big role in bringing those bad players onto the team in the first place, then that might not be such a good thing.
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Post by: Phill23 on August 01, 2013, 12:43:45 pm
This isn't the CFL.   Let's wait and see if Trestman actually knows what he's doing in the NFL.
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Post by: Fearless Freep on August 01, 2013, 09:50:59 pm
Here is the Press Conference video from today with GM Jim Popp and QB Anthony Cavillo commenting and Trestman clip. What bodes well is that Trestman will recognize how to use the talent he has properly as he did in Montreal.

http://bit.ly/16cDsO8 (http://bit.ly/16cDsO8)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 08, 2013, 12:46:45 pm

 Who does the NFC NORF stop from other divisions ?

 My guess is Frisco and Atlanta for starters.

 Are the Redskins really all that ?
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Post by: Keysbear on August 08, 2013, 04:40:06 pm
This is welcome news for me. I miss the days when it was about the team and individuals acting like they got into the endzone all by themselves. I would love to go back to the days of class like Walter Payton and Barry Sanders who gave the ball to a linemen for a minimal spike or better yet just handed it to the official. The self-centered players of today have turned a touchdown into a repeat of dancing with the stars.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/08/07/nfl-plans-to-crack-down-on-excessive-celebrations-this-season/
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Post by: packrat on August 09, 2013, 10:01:48 pm
Packers looked like home-made horseshit.

Ill. State WR Ty Walker did OK.  Had 5 catches,
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 09, 2013, 10:36:54 pm
This is welcome news for me. I miss the days when it was about the team and individuals acting like they got into the endzone all by themselves. I would love to go back to the days of class like Walter Payton and Barry Sanders who gave the ball to a linemen for a minimal spike or better yet just handed it to the official. The self-centered players of today have turned a touchdown into a repeat of dancing with the stars.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/08/07/nfl-plans-to-crack-down-on-excessive-celebrations-this-season/

 If the players would strip down to their bras after a win I could get into that.

 Oh wait , this isnt the WNFL ?

 
Packers looked like home-made horse****.

Ill. State WR Ty Walker did OK.  Had 5 catches,

 Exibition game of what is going to be a long season for all teams Packy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 09, 2013, 10:39:29 pm
Yeah.
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Post by: packrat on August 09, 2013, 10:39:38 pm
The NFC East and North and the AFC North, in my opinion, have the most colorful rivalries.

Julian from Memphis, TN

Why was Bradshaw’s and Noll’s relationship so rocky? Did Noll not see what a gifted passer he was?

It was rocky for the same reason Otto Graham and Paul Brown, Roger Staubach and Tom Landry, and Bill Parcells and Phil Simms had rocky relationships. That can happen when you have coaches that are as demanding as Noll, Brown, Landry and Parcells were, and it should also be noted that Noll, Landry, Brown and Parcells weren’t warm and fuzzy guys. They could be harsh in their comments. In the last year of his career, Bradshaw was sidelined by arm surgery and told reporters he’d like to travel with the team so he might be a mentor for the young quarterback that replaced him. Noll said, “If Terry can’t play for us, he can’t help us.” Paul Brown was famous for having said, “I pay you to do it right; I’ll tell you when you do it wrong.” Landry had a stone-like presence and maintained a two-quarterback system in defiance of Staubach’s improvisational ways. Parcells was the master of verbal jabs and Simms was a constant target. There’s one more thing we should note: All four coaches are in the Hall of Fame. Just win, baby
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 12, 2013, 12:07:27 am

 You left out two coaches ... Ditka and Uncle AL Davis ... just win baby.

 Ditka got in there as a TE ... his track record of Coach is overlooked.

 Same with Al Davis ... before there was a Pete Rozelle there was an Al Davis.
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Post by: packrat on August 16, 2013, 10:01:07 pm
Charles Woodson's take on comments by Jennings and Driver.  He is spot on, as usual:

Woodson backs Rodgers

By JASON WILDE

jwilde@espnwisconsin.com

GREEN BAY – Charles Woodson has been watching, reading. And, wondering.

“I’m not sure where all this stuff is coming from,” the former Green Bay Packers defensive leader said Friday afternoon, in a phone interview from New Orleans, where his new team – the Oakland Raiders – was about to face the New Orleans Saints in a preseason game. “I just don’t understand.”

Woodson, whom the Packers released on Feb. 15, knows all about the criticism that quarterback Aaron Rodgers has absorbed in the last two months from two of his former wide receivers – first from now-Minnesota Vikings wide receiver Greg Jennings, and then earlier this week from retired wide receiver Donald Driver. And Woodson feels the picture they’ve painted of their former quarterback – whom Woodson repeatedly referred to by his nickname, “A-Rod” – isn’t an accurate one.

“I don’t understand where it’s all coming from,” Woodson said again. “I think A-Rod would consider these guys his friends, so for stuff like this to be coming out about him now that the guys are gone, it’s got to be hurtful to him because what are they talking about, to question his leadership ability, his leadership skills? The guy is one of the best players in the NFL, and I think he does a great job as far as leading them into battle.

“I’m not sure where the attacks – and believe me, they are not warranted, for sure – I don’t know where it’s coming from.”

Woodson, who joined the Packers as an unrestricted free agent from Oakland in 2006, spent two seasons with the team when Brett Favre was the starting quarterback and Rodgers, the team’s first-round pick in the 2005 NFL Draft, was his backup. Woodson was also there for the uncomfortable – and that’s being extremely polite – summer of 2008, when Rodgers ascended to the starting job. And he was there for the past three seasons, including the team’s Super Bowl XLV title, when he believes Rodgers became the best quarterback in the NFL.

Woodson said the fact that Rodgers hasn’t defended himself in the wake of Jennings’ comments earlier this offseason or Driver’s comments Thursday on ESPN Radio’s Mike & Mike and has focused on players that are on the team currently says more about his leadership than any response he could have made to either player.

“I just think the best thing that A-Rod does, he’s been able to keep a lot of things from getting to him,” Woodson said. “The way he came in following a legend and handled those pressures, his ability to be a steady guy throughout that time and then going out and performing at the level he performed, that shows leadership. And he’s continued to get better. Every player should look at him and say, ‘Here’s a guy who’s really on top of the world, and he’s trying to get better. That’s what I think is so hard to understand about what (Jennings and Driver) said.”

Woodson was then asked what the motivation might be for Jennings and Driver to speak out, and if he thought the public criticisms of Rodgers dating back to last season – when tight end Jermichael Finley’s agent, Blake Baratz, questioned Rodgers’ leadership via Twitter and NFL on CBS commentator Shannon Sharpe did as well – might have some truth to them.

“It might be a receiver thing,” he said, chuckling.

Then, after a pause, Woodson turned serious.

“I would say this: There’s been times throughout my career there when defensively we put a ****-poor product on the field, and we’ve been in games and won ballgames solely on the arm of Aaron Rodgers and the legs of Aaron Rodgers and what he’s been able to do throwing a ball to a Greg, a Donald, a Jermichael,” Woodson said. “A couple years ago, we were 15- 1, and if we have any other quarterback other than Aaron Rodgers, we’re 7-9.

“Aaron’s job is a tough job. You’ve got a stud wide receiver in Greg Jennings – and make no mistake, Greg is a great wide receiver – but you have to keep him happy. You have Donald Driver, you have to keep him happy. You have Jermichael Finley, you have to keep him happy. You have running backs on the team, and you’re trying to find where they can get carries and keep them happy. You have an offensive line, they don’t just want to pass set all the time; they want to run downhill and run block, and you have to keep them happy. You have to keep James Jones, who wants to be on the field, you have to keep him happy. And we haven’t even talked about a Jordy Nelson, or a young Randall Cobb. And who does all that fall on? It falls on the quarterback.

“What do you want the guy do to? He’s done everything he possibly can to keep everyone happy when guys want the ball for themselves. The way he’s been able to do it is incredible. Don’t get me started on the Super Bowl run. I mean, how brilliant was that guy during that run? There was no question about his leadership then.

“And who did the throw two touchdowns to in the Super Bowl? Greg Jennings. To me, I almost lost it thinking about these attacks flying A-Rod’s way. They are just unwarranted attacks. I don’t understand what place they’re coming from with these guys.

“I mean, Greg’s not even there anymore. He’s a Minnesota Viking. They paid him a lot of money to be there. You don’t have any worries. He should be just fine. He should leave all things Packers alone. He should keep that to himself and if he wants to take it out on (Rodgers), do it the week they play. I’m just not understanding all these attacks on A-Rod.”

Asked about Driver’s assertion on Mike & Mike Thursday that Rodgers failed to take the heat off his receivers because he refused to take the blame for times when they might have run the wrong route, Woodson laughed.

“I think whatever you do – if you run the wrong route and you’re a receiver, or if you’re a quarterback and you throw an interception – it’s up to you as an individual to say you messed up,” Woodson said. “I don’t think A-Rod has to be sticking his neck out to say I told him to do something if that’s not what happened. If A-Rod needs to take the blame for something, I’m quite sure he does.

“I didn’t understand that part, either. There’s no question in my mind that A-Rod’s the leader of that team and he does a great job. Maybe he thought he had some friends where he doesn’t have some friends. Now that those guys are gone, they’re voicing this. I don’t know how that’s fair.”

Woodson also pointed out that he didn’t leave the Packers under his ideal circumstances, having been released by the team he thought he would spend the rest of his career with. Since he arrived in Oakland, however, he hasn’t criticized his former team, despite his clear willingness to speak out when he wants to.

“I guess everybody has their own relationships with other people or with the organization or the community or whatever. Everyone has their own deal,” Woodson said. “For me, my time in Green Bay was nothing less than exceptional. The good that I experienced there far outweighed the bad. So I’m thankful for every minute I spent in Green Bay and I really feel like the friends that I’ve made there in Wisconsin, I feel like I’d be disrespecting them if I did say something bad about the organization or my time there.

“These are friends I feel like I’ll have the rest of my life. Yeah, I got fired. I might be a little bitter about being fired. Who wouldn’t be? But that’s it.”

Listen to Jason Wilde every weekday from 9 a.m. to 10 a.m. on “Green & Gold Today” on 540 ESPN, and follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/jasonjwilde.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 16, 2013, 10:11:33 pm
In other words he thinks Rodgers is a great QB.  I agree.

That is different then being a great human being or even a decent human being.

My guess is most QB's are azzholes.  I don't think Rodgers is the exception to the rule.

Generally the best most popular and succesful people are the biggest azzholes on the planet.  There are exceptions to this rule of course but not as many as we would like.
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Post by: Sportster on August 18, 2013, 01:16:34 am
Without Rodgers, they wouldn't have HALF the success they've had in the last few years...and that is the unmitigated truth.....he is that good....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 18, 2013, 03:52:41 pm
Without Rodgers, they wouldn't have HALF the success they've had in the last few years...and that is the unmitigated truth.....he is that good....

 Sporty for the first time we can see what JCUT can do with a halfway decent OL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 18, 2013, 07:48:40 pm
In other words he thinks Rodgers is a great QB.  I agree.

That is different then being a great human being or even a decent human being.

My guess is most QB's are azzholes.  I don't think Rodgers is the exception to the rule.

Generally the best most popular and succesful people are the biggest azzholes on the planet.  There are exceptions to this rule of course but not as many as we would like.

I have yet to hear even one person say that.  Jennings and Driver certainly didn't even imply that about Rodgers.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 18, 2013, 09:26:51 pm
Yeah Jennings did.  Driver skirted the issue.  There was also the lady he dissed that wanted an autograph story awhile back.  Rodger is not a saint.  I am sure he is a good guy to some folks and an azz to others.  He is human after all.  I do not like to put people on pedestals because we are all just humans after all and all have our own personal failings.
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Post by: packrat on August 18, 2013, 09:41:22 pm
I understand and respect your point, Peke. 

A recent tweet from Driver:

Donald Driver        ✔  @Donald_Driver80 
 
Tweeps: Listen
I can't believe people would think I'm talking about Aaron. Aaron is a great person and a good friend. He will tell you that


12:38 PM - 15 Aug 2013
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 19, 2013, 05:19:19 am
Oh, I am sure that Driver will come out and say his account was hacked...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 19, 2013, 05:05:04 pm
Oh, I am sure that Driver will come out and say his account was hacked...

 No his agent will come out and say the account was hacked.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 19, 2013, 07:26:46 pm
LOL.
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Post by: yapper on August 20, 2013, 04:05:34 pm
Holy cow...  this guy was not only a rising star in the league but it seemed, a pretty good guy.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/20/von-miller-gets-a-six-game-suspension/

I'm not sure what the hell is going on up there in Denver but the Broncos have just been a train wreck this offseason.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 21, 2013, 08:04:11 pm
Holy cow...  this guy was not only a rising star in the league but it seemed, a pretty good guy.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/20/von-miller-gets-a-six-game-suspension/

I'm not sure what the hell is going on up there in Denver but the Broncos have just been a train wreck this offseason.

 Wow if only we could be the train wreck of the NFL off season ...
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Post by: 46 on August 21, 2013, 10:34:04 pm
jj its the Bears.  They are BIG TIME.  They usually are the train wreck DURING the season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on August 22, 2013, 09:06:53 pm
This is bad...MRSA is some nasty sh!t

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/tampa-bay-buccaneers-mrsa-staph-infection-carl-nicks-082213
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Post by: Keysbear on August 22, 2013, 09:14:45 pm
Say goodbye to the game we love. Watching Baltimore/Carolina and the calls that are being made are ridiculous. Another step closer to flag football.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 23, 2013, 03:06:59 am
Say goodbye to the game we love. Watching Baltimore/Carolina and the calls that are being made are ridiculous. Another step closer to flag football.

 Keys,

 Wheres Wilber Marshall when we need him ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on August 23, 2013, 08:46:34 am
He would be fined and suspended so much he would be broke and never see the field. Really terrible calls last night. On one Cam Newton scramble he doesn't slide but dives to get extra yards and the LB is flagged for hitting him. Not late mind you...just hitting him. So the LB is supposed to back off and let him roll an extra 2 yards? Ridiculous. If the QB doesn't want to get hit he can slide.
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Post by: yapper on August 23, 2013, 08:53:14 am
That was a curious two-fer of games last night.

Two NFC weak sisters absolutely dominating two of the AFC's perennial playoff teams, one of them being the defending SB champs.

I know it's only preseason, but still. 

As for the bogus penalty calls (heavily biased no surprise against the defense)...  it's just another step toward allowing offenses to rack up even more points and yardage.  I'm probably in the minority but I think the whole fantasy football thing has a lot to do with that.  13-6 slugfests don't do much for fantasy players but when you've got a 34-31 barn burner with each QB throwing 3 or 4 TDs, that's gold.   The NFL may not have degenerated to flag football -- yet -- but it's getting damn close to Arena ball or at least, the CFL.
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Post by: Bears4Ever on August 23, 2013, 12:23:45 pm
Luke Kuechley sure looked like mid 2000s Urlacher for sure last night.....

Actually switched (while recording to skip commercials) between a Canadian football game on NBC sports and the game on ESPN. Trestman's former team played a whale of an entertaining game vs the BC Lions...

Not sure if the Mike Shuler is either trying to put a square peg in a round hole by making Cam stand in the pocket (sound familiar on offense ?) or just playing vanilla in the pre-season. Cam looked off target all night and his receivers didn't help at all, dropping catchable balls (again, sound familiar ? :D).

The ST got a TD kickoff return and the D got 3 turnover TDs, while the offense only managed to get up to 3 FGs. Spookily similar to Lovie Smith's teams.... :D

It is just preseason though, and folks seem to be getting carried away. Just talked to a trash-talking Lion fan who now thinks the Lions are SB bound after blasting the Patriots... in PRESEASON ! Hope springs eternal I guess.....
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Post by: yapper on August 25, 2013, 10:14:41 pm
Definitely only preseason but the Raiders and Jets show the potential of being unwatchably bad this year. The Jets in particular need to be totally blown up and start over with new front office, new coaches and new QB. They are not only a bad team, they are very unlikable.

Not too far behind those two as likely Top 5 draft teams would be the Panthers, the Jags and the Bills.
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Post by: Pekin on August 25, 2013, 10:36:01 pm
Rex Ryan is an unbelievably bad HC.  How do you put your starting QB out their behind the 2nd team O-line in a preseason game?

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Post by: 46 on August 25, 2013, 10:42:23 pm
Drugs.  He has to be using bad drugs.  His post game was irrational. Dad needs to beat his fundament raw with a belt.  I guess I'm I bad man to think that way, but it would stop more than half the garbage that's happening today, including allowing drug using buffoons to run football teams.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 26, 2013, 12:16:04 pm
Rex Ryan is an unbelievably bad HC.  How do you put your starting QB out their behind the 2nd team O-line in a preseason game?



I have wondered for several years why that loon hasn't been canned.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 26, 2013, 12:20:20 pm
I have wondered for several years why that loon hasn't been canned.

I don't think the Jets owner has it all working upstairs.  His team has gone from a deep playoff contender to a national punchline in an alarmingly short span of time and he doesn't seem to either know or care.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 26, 2013, 06:10:27 pm
I have wondered for several years why that loon hasn't been canned.

I don't think the Jets owner has it all working upstairs.  His team has gone from a deep playoff contender to a national punchline in an alarmingly short span of time and he doesn't seem to either know or care.

 The good thing is ITS NOT US ... at this point in time being the punchline of having no OL for a decade.
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Post by: 46 on August 27, 2013, 11:21:50 pm
Somebody missed the boat on this one. Or worse, as the article claims, turned a blind eye.  My question is, who authorized the extention if the coach was ready to dump him? Also, are people in Ohio starting to get a little nervous? They should.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/rolling-stone-article-aaron-hernandez-alleges-heavy-user-012134167.html
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Post by: packrat on August 28, 2013, 02:58:48 pm
Jets Sign Former Packers Backup Graham Harrell

By TonyAtkins  @ByTonyAtkins  on Aug 28 2013, 7:47a  21


I can't believe even the Jets are this stupid.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 29, 2013, 10:56:40 am
For **** and giggles, I will list them in the order I watched them (in order of appearance) and give the final grade of 1-5, with 1 being watching the whole thing and 4 double skipping through it on the DVR. Note- your viewing mileage my vary :D

NFL Live  ESPN 1 Hour
The earliest of the shows, it also has the least amount of "oomph" (not surprised). I've watched it off and on over the last few 2 years, but mostly fast forwarded through most of their stuff.

Pro Football Talk Live  NBC Sports 1 Hour
I've been a follower of PFT since 2000 or so when I stumbled upon it. Unfortunately, the website I feel has fallen off since its been joined with NBC. Maybe its market saturation, but they seem to grasp for stories and seem to be trying to make the story instead of reporting the story.

The TV show is pretty good, with more meat than NFL Live. Florio and Kuselias seem to wear their emotions on their sleeves than most, and you can tell where they lean usually on a particular story. It makes for some funny stuff. ("Are you not entertained ?" when discussing the Cowboys last night for example).

Note: Opinion based on that I've only watched about 2 weeks worth (it is a new show after all).

Fox Football Daily
The newest of the shows (only started last week), it also is the most "fresh" and has a feel of work in progress- Guys talk over each other, and it feels less polished. Actually, the more I think of it, this may be by design. It is the most different of the 4 shows.

It has a feel of a bunch of guys getting together and discussing stuff instead of a straight "news" show. On that level it works, if it is a bit chaotic (again, I think this was by design). Urlacher is better than I thought he would be (he still talks too fast), but those on the show seem to have a decent chemistry with each other. Lots of neat inside stuff from the players themselves from time to time.

NFL Total Access NFL Channel 1 Hour
What was my standard that I've watch more or less consistently since it debuted back in early 2000.

Its changed a bit over time, but has been pretty consistent in content. It is only 3rd in content though, but has some nice live interviews from time to time.

The Ratings
In order of best to worst:
1. Fox Sports Daily. I rate a 4. A bit chaotic, but has a "different" feel than the other shows. May not pass the test of time, but for now is very watchable.
2. Pro Football Talk Live. I rate a 4. Good info, Florio & Kuselias don't appear to care that their feelings get involved with their reporting (disdain for Cowboys and Jets for example). Watchable.
3. NFL Total Access. I rate a 3. This may be a influenced by the fact that I watched it the most of all the shows and know how to watch all the stuff I care about in 10 min or less. Solid, but not spectacular.
4. NFL Live. I rate a 2. Least "meaty" of the bunch, I tend to be able to watch the whole thing in under 5 min.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 29, 2013, 11:01:25 am
I think those shows should be rated entirely on which one has the hottest chick hosts/reporters.  That's the only real reason to watch any of 'em.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 29, 2013, 11:47:06 am
Considering we can get 99% of all our news from the web, I concur... But I'm a masochist and a glutton for punishment (I think that's a certain pre-requisite for a long time Bear fan ! :D)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 29, 2013, 12:36:52 pm
I have pretty much quit watching NFLN completely.  It began OK, but like all long-running shows it became glitzier and more shallow with stress more on show than facts and they concentrate more on just a few teams in their coverage  Jets, Wash, Giants, Dallas.

The same sort of comments apply to ESPN.

I get much more info and enjoyment from internet sites and this board.

Haven't tried Fox, yet but will do so.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 29, 2013, 12:41:15 pm
During the season I think I can watch Total Access in under 10 min (more if they actually talk about something I want to hear about).....

DVR is either the savior of TV or its downfall :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 29, 2013, 12:43:14 pm
During the season I think I can watch Total Access in under 10 min (more if they actually talk about something I want to hear about).....

DVR is either the savior of TV or its downfall :D

Savior for the viewers!   Sponsors are probably not at all happy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 29, 2013, 01:19:55 pm
Posted by Josh Alper on August 29, 2013, 12:40 PM EDT

David BakhtiariAP
The Packers will start the regular season with a pair of largely untested offensive tackles, which has generated some concern about how well quarterback Aaron Rodgers will be protected this season.

General Manager Ted Thompson is not among those concerned about how things are going to play out. During an interview with Mike Vandermause of the Green Bay Press-Gazette, Thompson said that he feels good about the offensive line with the start of the regular season a little more than a week away and he has a message for those who don’t share his confidence.

“It would probably depend on who the people were,” Thompson said. “Go on with their life, everything else will be fine.”

It’s not the cuddliest answer in the world since people interested in the Packers offense may also be consumers of the myriad products that the Packers sell to generate revenue, but Thompson’s confidence has a strong base. The Packers offensive line has dealt with injuries and underperforming players for several years without causing them too many problems when it comes to putting points on the board. With Rodgers at quarterback, that will likely be the case again this year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 29, 2013, 01:21:37 pm
Sounds like Bulaga may have played his last game for GB.  Good thing Thompson didn't extend his contract last season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 29, 2013, 01:30:30 pm
Almost inconceivable that Green Bay's OL would be more a point of concern than the Bears OL, but that seems to be the case so far this preseason.

That being said...  1st Bears/Packers game isn't till November 4.  That is a LONG time away and plenty of time for McCarthy to pull the situation together.  We've seen the Packers spin gold out of garbage on the OL before and I have no doubts that by Week 9 the Pack's OL will be at least good enough for Rodgers to do what he's always done.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 29, 2013, 01:38:04 pm
Rodgers has been playing with a bad oline for awhile now.... not Bears bad but not good either. He still puts up numbers though. That said, they still are the team to beat in the NFC North. Let's see how the Bears do against them this year......
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 29, 2013, 02:06:11 pm
I see us splitting with the Pack this year.

I think the old mojo is still gonna be hanging over the Bears the first time we play them in Week 9, and we'll lose that one (but not by much).  It has become so much a part of the Bears identity to lose to the Packers that even a new HC can't take out all that baggage overnight.  Not to mention it's at Lambeau, in primetime, so you might as well put that down for a Bears loss right now.  But by the season finale I think Trestman's cultural makeover will have fully taken hold and we'll take that game from them and that's when we start to "reverse the curse" for real.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 29, 2013, 05:47:39 pm
I don't know about any curse but I would not be surprised to see a 1-1 split this year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 30, 2013, 03:53:17 pm
Final Packer rookie summary - the stars and the bad.

Thumbs up: Banjo and Micah Hyde.

What happened to the highly rated Jonathon Franklin?   A mystery.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/chris-banjo-grabs-some-attention-b9986302z1-221751291.html
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on August 30, 2013, 03:55:06 pm
Banjo impressed me from what I saw of him vs. the Seahawks two weeks ago.

Plus it's such a cool name.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 30, 2013, 09:08:50 pm

 I cant define THE CHICAGO BEARS.

 You cant define THE CHICAGO BEARS.

 THE CHICAGO BEARS cant define THE CHICAGO BEARS.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 31, 2013, 03:30:00 pm
Vince Young        ✔  @VinceYoung 
 
Thanks to the @packers for the opportunity great organization great team wonderful fans good luck this season.


9:40 AM - 31 Aug 2013
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 31, 2013, 03:39:07 pm
Wes Hodkiewicz  @WesHod 
 
The #Packers have released receiver Tyrone Walker. Interesting


10:49 AM - 31 Aug 2013

I can 't believe this.  Someone will get a fine WR.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 31, 2013, 03:43:04 pm
Packer Report  @PackerReport 
 
Myles White will be released and brought back to the #Packers practice squad, per source.


12:12 PM - 31 Aug 2013

Another good prospect for some team.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 31, 2013, 03:46:14 pm
Tyler Dunne  @TyDunne 
 
#Packers have released Jake Stoneburner but told him they want him back on the practice squad.


1:32 PM - 31 Aug 2013

TE with potential.   Smart player.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 31, 2013, 03:51:37 pm
Tyler Dunne  @TyDunne 
 
According to a source, OLB Dezman Moses has been released by the #Packers.


2:27 PM - 31 Aug 2013
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 31, 2013, 03:54:51 pm
Former New York Jets running back Joe McKnight sent a cryptic tweet earlier this afternoon stating that he was "headed to Green Bay tomorrow," so will the Packers add to their running back stable?

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With the fourth and final preseason game in the books, the Green Bay Packers have now focussed all their attention on getting their roster down to 53 guys.

As per usual the Packers haven't announced any cuts today, as they will likely all be reported at 5:30 p.m. CST after the 5:00 p.m. CST NFL deadline. However, the big news out of Green Bay today appears to be on the acquisition front rather than the roster cut front.

Former New York Jets running back and kick returner Joe McKnight sent out this tweet earlier today:



While no signing has apparently taken place, there was a lot of skepticism about the tweet that McKnight sent out. The tweet appears to be from an unverified account  and not from the verified account of Joe McKnight himself. However, FOX Sports' Mike Garafolo confirmed the workout is taking place:

Could help solved 2 problems for GB.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 31, 2013, 06:28:19 pm
Chris Banjo will be strumming in Green Bay this year and Johnny Jolly will be very Jolly.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 31, 2013, 06:35:24 pm
Nate Palmer - Ill. State U,  LB made the GB roster.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 01, 2013, 10:38:21 pm
Nate Palmer - Ill. State U,  LB made the GB roster.

 Why the fucck would you want him ? Yer goin down Packy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 02, 2013, 10:47:08 am
Packers love him, jj.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 03, 2013, 12:15:04 am
Packers love him, jj.

 Geez Packy who am I to argue ...  :P
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 03, 2013, 07:08:47 pm
LOL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 04, 2013, 10:30:39 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/04/nfl-moving-closer-to-using-helmet-sensors/

If they do this every single team will bring in guys whose sole purpose will be to hit the star player in the head as hard as possible to make the sensor go off.

This game will be unrecognizeable and unwatchable in 10 years if they go forward with this BS.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 05, 2013, 11:23:09 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/04/nfl-moving-closer-to-using-helmet-sensors/

If they do this every single team will bring in guys whose sole purpose will be to hit the star player in the head as hard as possible to make the sensor go off.

This game will be unrecognizeable and unwatchable in 10 years if they go forward with this BS.

 Duck that green dot on the back of the helmet has been around for awhile now.

 All of the guys who are targeted have already been targated.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on September 09, 2013, 07:40:41 pm
Eggles running the Skins out of there own stadium.  Run about a million plays the first half, up by, what 21?  New day in the nfl.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on September 09, 2013, 07:45:05 pm
Eggles 322 yds of o and 21 first downs........in the first half.  Yikes!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 09, 2013, 08:06:10 pm
I think the Redskins are not for real, once again.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on September 10, 2013, 02:07:38 pm
53 plays and 21 first downs in the first half.  A lot of teams didn't even have those numbers for a whole game last week.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on September 10, 2013, 02:08:11 pm
And to have almost half of your plays produce a first down?

WOW!   :o
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on September 10, 2013, 02:17:08 pm
Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh has been handed the biggest fine of his career. But Suh has avoided a suspension for his illegal low block on Vikings center John Sullivan on Sunday.

The NFL has fined Suh $100,000, a much heavier fine than players typically get for personal fouls on the field, and a fine that demonstrates that Suh’s repeat-offender status has him viewed as a marked man by the NFL’s discipline police.

Suh’s largest previous fine came last season, when his pay was docked $30,000 for kicking Texans quarterback Matt Schaub in the groin on Thanksgiving. Suh had been fined lesser amounts on other occasions for more run-of-the-mill fouls like roughing the passer and late hits.

The most money Suh ever lost for a disciplinary measure was $164,000, when he lost two weeks’ pay during a two-game suspension for stomping on Green Bay’s Evan Dietrich-Smith on Thanksgiving in 2011.

Former NFL player Merton Hanks, now the NFL’s vice president of football operations, determined the dollar amount of the fine. Suh has the opportunity to appeal the fine, and an appeal would be heard by either Ted Cottrell or Matt Birk.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on September 10, 2013, 02:53:36 pm
Obviously fines do not affect this guy. 

Suspensions along with lost game checks need to be doled out.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on September 10, 2013, 03:03:34 pm
Well I hope he is on double secret probation from here on out.  ;)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 10, 2013, 03:48:18 pm
I was hoping for a 3-game suspension on Suh to get him out of our hair for the first Lions matchup but it looks like we are gonna have to man-up and take him on.

I do have to say though, with Slauson and Long as our OGs I like our odds a lot better than I have the last couple of years.  They are both big strong guys who bring plenty of nasty to the party in their own right.

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, Slauson and Suh were teammates at Nebraska.  Slauson would have gone up against Suh many times in practice so I'm sure he is wise to all his dirty tricks and will be prepping Long for whatever he might try to pull on him in the trenches.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 10, 2013, 08:51:49 pm
 Yknow ... if you look back on Dave Wannstadt ... Dick Jauron ... Yes even Lovie ...

Do you get the impression that Trestman is smarter then all of them combined ?

We biitched about an OL for years on this board ... we seem to have one.

Midget WR's ... biitched about it ... complaint solved ?

TIGHT ENDS ... lets see the season play out.

RUNNING BACKS ... I'd like to see FORD play.

DEFENSIVE END ... look Im as confused as you are.

LINEBACKER ... Linebacker by rotation ? We have that many good ?

We put a TEAM on the field and beat ... well we beat whoever we play.

THATS CHICAGO BEARS !!  
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 11, 2013, 07:54:12 am
Suh was voted team captain at the start of the season.  Just wow...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 11, 2013, 08:08:18 am
Suh was voted team captain at the start of the season.  Just wow...

Yeah that says a lot about that team.  I hope our OGs grind him into the turf this year.  Twice.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2013, 11:31:59 am
Jim "Knuckles" Harbaugh has his own experience with closed fists of fury


By Bob Wolfley of the Journal Sentinel   

Sept. 10, 2013
   
As it turns out, 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh has some personal experience from his own playing days when it comes to the issue of having to decide whether to slap with your hand or pound with your fist when going to the head of an adversary.

"If you're going to go to the face, come with some knuckles, not an open slap," Harbaugh said about Clay Matthews' confrontation with Joe Staley. "That young man works very hard on being a tough guy. He'll have some repairing to do to his image after the slap."

Harbaugh knows about serving up a knuckle sandwich.

In 1997, when he was the quarterback of the then hapless Indianapolis Colts, Harbaugh punched former Buffalo Bills quarterback Jim Kelly, who at that time was an NBC-TV broadcaster.

On a local TV show in Buffalo, Kelly had called Harbaugh a "baby" and said he "overdramatized" his injuries.

At an NBC production meeting before a Colts-Chargers game, Harbaugh sought out Kelly and a confrontation ensued.

Harbaugh punched Kelly and fractured a finger on his throwing hand and was sidelined without pay.

"I regret throwing the punch, but I felt I had to do something since my toughness was being questioned," Harbaugh said at the time. "I regret that I have a crack in one of my bones in my hand."

So the tough guys who do come with the knuckles can break those knuckles and get sidelined without pay.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 11, 2013, 11:59:40 am
Defensive help: The Packers' secondary struggled without a pair of key players -- safety Morgan Burnett and cornerback Casey Hayward. Both missed the game because of hamstring injuries, and the 49ers attacked the Packers up the middle. Surely, the Washington Redskins will look at how Colin Kaepernick went after the middle of the Packers defense and threw for 412 yards, and they will try a similar approach Sunday at Lambeau Field. The Packers need the playmaking ability of Hayward, who had a team-high six interceptions last season, and the steadiness of Burnett to shore up the passing defense.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2013, 10:22:26 am
Wow, how much does this suck:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/12/maurkice-pouncey-learns-the-hard-way-that-cut-blocks-are-dangerous/

Pouncey (easily the best O-Lineman the Steelers have), was cut block by his own teammate and now will miss the rest of the season with a blown knee.

Not sure what the Steelers did so wrong this offseason but some seriously bad juju is coming down on them early and heavy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 12, 2013, 08:00:40 pm
Now, the Pats are hurting on offense, with multiple pass catchers injured.  Tonight against the Jets, receiver Danny Amendola, tight end Rob Gronkowski, tight end Zach Sudfeld, and running back Shane Vereen are each out.

Meanwhile, Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead, and Brandon Lloyd are long gone.  And Aaron Hernandez is wearing a different uniform.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 12, 2013, 08:08:21 pm
APC picks this week.

Game Tex Jason Josh Dan Tony Eric VCF
Jets @ Patriots NE NE NE NE NE NE NE
Panthers @ Bills CAR CAR CAR CAR CAR CAR BUF
Browns @ Ravens BAL BAL BAL BAL BAL BAL BAL
Vikings @ Bears CHI CHI CHI CHI MIN CHI CHI
Cowboys @ Chiefs KC DAL DAL KC DAL KC DAL
Redskins @ Packers GB GB GB GB GB GB GB
Titans @ Texans HOU HOU HOU HOU HOU HOU HOU
Dolphins @ Colts IND IND IND IND IND IND IND
Chargers @ Eagles PHI PHI PHI PHI PHI PHI PHI
Rams @ Falcons ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL
Lions @ Cardinals DET ARI ARI DET DET DET DET
Saints @ Buccaneers NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Broncos @ Giants NYG DEN DEN DEN DEN DEN DEN
Jaguars @ Raiders JAX OAK OAK JAX OAK OAK OAK
49ers @ Seahawks SF SEA SF SF SF SEA SEA
Steelers @ Bengals CIN CIN CIN CIN PIT CIN
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 13, 2013, 08:01:50 am
What a terrible game last night (Pats / Jets).

A defensive struggle is one thing but two teams playing sloppy, undisciplined and dirty football is another and that's the definitely the category that one falls under.

I remember there being a few dogs last year on Thursday night and this was right up there with them.  Hopefully that's not the trend for this year too.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on September 13, 2013, 08:18:21 am
Only made worse by the announcers slobbering all over Brady. I thought Brady acted like an a$$. He gets pissed at his receivers, swears and then goes and stews on the bench. Why not go talk to the kids? They are young rookies and could use the guidance instead of his diva act.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 13, 2013, 08:47:17 am
I thought Brady acted like an a$$. He gets ****ed at his receivers, swears and then goes and stews on the bench.

But of course if Cutler does the same things he's the worst person on earth.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on September 13, 2013, 02:58:53 pm
As late hits go, it was fairly egregious.

But the penalty pales in relation to some recent ones.

Packers outside linebacker Clay Matthews was fined $15,000 for his late hit out of bounds on 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick last week.

While it’s not nearly the same as Ndamukong Suh’s $100,000 fine, Matthews also doesn’t have Suh’s kind of track record, which must be the difference.

Still, Matthews was left defending himself this week, declaring he was “an awesome player, not a dirty player.”

There are those in San Francisco who might beg to differ.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 13, 2013, 04:52:18 pm
 Lets get ready for : CHICAGO BEARS @ Pittsburgh.

 WE may have disagreements between CHICAGO BEARS & GREEN BAY PACKERS over the decades ...

 thats always been in a friendly way. Whoever wins ... wins. It was always about THE GAME.

 Between FRISCO & SEATTLE ... I think those motherfuuckers really want to kill each other.

 IF we as any team in the NFC NORF meet up with either Frisco or Seatlle in the playoffs ...

 are they going to take that hatred towards each other against us in the NFC NORTH ?

 Can we turn it up to a level to put them in their places and WIN ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 16, 2013, 09:52:28 am
After 2 weeks of watching NFL football this season I am still trying to figure out the new rules regarding illegal contact, player safety etc.

Exhibit A:  Redskins v. Packers. Ex-Bear S Brandon Merriweather LAUNCHES himself headfirst into Packers players not once, but twice. The first time he knocks out Eddie Lacy with a concussion, the second time he gets concussed himself.  NO FLAGS on either play.

Exhibit B: Niners v. Seahawks. Niners NT gets cut blocked from behind, below the knee while engaged with another Seahawks O-Lineman.  A clear high-low block that I THOUGHT anyway had been outlawed for years by now.  The Niners player went out for the game with a broken ankle.  Again, no flag.

WTF?  It has to be frustrating as hell to be a HC this year in the NFL never knowing what it going to be allowed or flagged from one week to the next.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 16, 2013, 09:56:57 am

Yep, the ref's missed those calls, but the league won't when they starting handing out fines.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 16, 2013, 10:09:34 am
I've pounded this drum before (last year, multiple times), but this whole deal of assessing fines post-facto on plays that weren't flagged in real time just bullsh*t.

Fines are a really ****-poor "make-up" because they do nothing to help the team the foul was against in the moment.  They enrich NFL Charities but do nothing to benefit the team that was victimized in the first place.

IMO any personal foul penalty should be followed up with a fine and the personal foul penalties need to be called quite a bit more aggressively (notwithstanding QBs and WRs who get plenty of protection already).  By the same token if a flag is not thrown on the field, there should not be a fine.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 16, 2013, 10:55:13 am
Of passing interest was a Kellen Davis sighting last night at the Seahawks game (they signed him after the Browns cut him). He had a false start (of course)......

Any doubt that the "black unicorn" is an upgrade ? :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 16, 2013, 11:00:04 am
Martellus Bennett is a flat out stud and may turn out to be an even bigger FA pickup for us than Bushrod was.  Kellen Davis was a huge body but Bennett is every bit as big and has actual athleticism and WR skills.

Bennett I guess was talking in his interview yesterday about how he and BMarsh and Cutler all know that they are mental cases (his words: "we've each got our demons") so they get together as a trio before every game and make sure each of them is in the right head space.  He might have been joking (you never know with him) but somehow I don't think so.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 17, 2013, 10:14:31 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/17/super-bowl-ticket-prices-going-up/

Two thoughts.

1) The hubris of the NFL League Office is astounding.  Keep in mind this coming SuperBowl in question is going to be outside, in February, at night.  Cold weather is going to be a given and snow is very possible.  So yeah, let's raise the price to get into a game that has all the potential to be a truly miserable experience for spectators and will likely see some bad football played to boot.

2) How ironic would it be for a first year NFL HC to come down from the CFL and wind up playing for all the marbles in a snowstorm?
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Post by: boogie on September 17, 2013, 10:25:17 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/17/super-bowl-ticket-prices-going-up/

2) How ironic would it be for a first year NFL HC to come down from the CFL and wind up playing for all the marbles in a snowstorm?

I dont care about ironic, but it sure would be great. ;)
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Post by: yapper on September 17, 2013, 10:34:05 am
Somehow...  for some reason...  the thought of the Bears finally making it back to the SuperBowl only to have it be a blizzard doesn't seem as farfetched as it should.

Just feels like a team and a time where something that weird could actually happen.
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Post by: Phill23 on September 17, 2013, 01:11:33 pm
Well the last time they went to the Super Bowl they had a  torrential downpour the entire game.  Wouldn't surprise me a bit either if a storm were to hit.
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Post by: yapper on September 18, 2013, 11:03:58 am
Big news from the AFC:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/18/broncos-put-ryan-clady-on-season-ending-injured-reserve/

The Broncos have looked unstoppable their first 2 games but this may bring them back down to the rest of the pack.
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Post by: navigator on September 18, 2013, 12:31:07 pm
wow
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Post by: yapper on September 18, 2013, 12:38:55 pm
Not to mention the Broncos just signed Clady to an extension that gives him enough guaranteed money to buy half of Denver.

Sucks to be them right now.
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Post by: navigator on September 19, 2013, 07:47:24 am
Colts traded for Trent Richardson
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/browns-ship-rb-richardson-colts-224034765--nfl.html

maybe now he can earn some dang fantasy points.
7pts a week just sucks.
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Post by: yapper on September 19, 2013, 09:29:10 am
The only guy happier about that trade than Trent Richardson is Andrew Luck.

That being said, it's pretty obvious the Browns are taking a page out of the Colts book and tanking the season to get a QB in the draft.  The Browns braintrust has apparently seen enough of Brandon Weeden already. That draft where they got both Richardson and Weeden has pretty much turned out to be a complete bust for that franchise, especially if the Colts do well this year and their 1st rounder drops down into the 20s.
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Post by: dallasbear on September 19, 2013, 11:16:32 am

Cleveland will have to contend with J'ville in the race for Johnny Manziel.

TB and Minnesota are also 0-2 with QB issues but I expect them to win quite a few more games than the Jags and Browns.
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Post by: yapper on September 19, 2013, 11:57:43 am
I will be shocked if Johnny Football is the #1 pick in the 2014 draft.  The GM stupid enough to make that pick deserves all the grief he's gonna be getting.
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Post by: dallasbear on September 19, 2013, 12:25:26 pm

Its a definite possibility.  He's been productive in the toughest conference in the country.  But does have some extra baggage but its hard to argue with his production.

Do you think Clowney helps the Browns out more?
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Post by: yapper on September 19, 2013, 12:51:05 pm
Unless Manziel winds up on the Lions he isn't gonna have a 6'5 WR he can throw to 10 times a game like he did against Bama.

Not saying Clowney should be the #1 pick (though for the right team he would definitely be worth considering)...  but there are at least a couple of QB prospects who project to the NFL a lot better than Manziel and don't have the baggage.
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Post by: Pekin on September 22, 2013, 04:41:46 pm
How does Carolina beat the NY Giants 38-0?

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Post by: navigator on September 22, 2013, 09:04:29 pm
Just like Minny almost beat the Bears last week, if you turn the ball over like 5 times even CAR can beat you.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 23, 2013, 12:56:58 am

 WE WON AT PITT
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Post by: Dave23 on September 23, 2013, 11:52:36 am
Carolina D is much better than people think.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 23, 2013, 11:54:44 am
Eli Manning is in a pretty fierce slump right now.  Which isn't being helped by a Giants O-Line that is the worst I've seen in the Coughlin era.

Personally, I would love for Eli and the Giants to stay in that funk right through Oct 10 when we play them on Thursday Night Football.  We will be coming off a tough Saints game 4 days earlier so an "easier" matchup would be welcomed... plus we owe the Giants some big-time payback for that nightmare they put on us in primetime a few years ago where Cutler got knocked out.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on September 24, 2013, 07:16:11 am
I have Victor Cruz on my fantasy team, I expect that is why the Giants are slumping.
I'll keep him around at least until after we play them for the sake of the Bears.
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Post by: packrat on September 24, 2013, 11:24:49 am
LOL.
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Post by: navigator on September 24, 2013, 01:30:43 pm
and if someone has another player they want to do bad when they face us, someone like Aaron Rodgers or Megatron, I'm open to trades as well. For the good of the team you know!
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Post by: Keysbear on September 24, 2013, 01:40:19 pm
My players have all figured out how to do bad without your help.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 25, 2013, 02:29:16 am

 At 3-0 going to Deeeeeeeetroit ...

 what should we be thinking?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 25, 2013, 05:37:47 pm
This reeks of Harbaugh's mentality:

The 49ers play Smith

There is little question that the San Francisco 49ers' Jed York is one of the NFL's more thoughtful and progressive owners, which makes the team's handling of the Aldon Smith debacle so mind-boggling.

This excellent post from the San Jose Mercury News' Tim Kawakami shows a lot of the flawed reasoning exhibited by the 49ers in making the decision to play Smith on Sunday, just two days after his car slammed into a tree (luckily, it wasn't a school bus) and he was arrested for suspicion of drunken driving and marijuana possession. It was the linebacker's second DUI arrest.

Whatever the team's thought process, it cut corners of general decency. Simply put, the decision was disgraceful and is a stain that will stick to the franchise for some time.
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Post by: packrat on September 25, 2013, 05:42:12 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUzc4kuCcAMuJKU.jpg)

New Raiders' mascot:  The Raider Rusher.

LMAO
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 25, 2013, 05:48:26 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/22/opposing-players-are-getting-fed-up-with-suh/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 26, 2013, 01:16:07 am

 Packy,

 The jurys out on SUH ... all I know is he plays old style FOOTBALL.

 RAY NITCSHKE would be BANNED DAY ONE in this day and age !
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Post by: yapper on September 26, 2013, 03:57:20 pm
Sneak peeks at some of the week's upcoming games:

Giants/Chiefs - Winless team with possibly the worst OL in the league right now, faces an unbeaten team leading the league in sacks and with a legit DPOY candidate in Justin Houston.  I think we know where this one is going.  Gonna be a tough day for Eli and Big Blue.

Seahawks/Texans - Quite possibly the best game of the week that hardly anyone in the country without the Ticket is gonna see.

New England/Atlanta - 2nd best inter-conference matchup of the week (see above for 1st).

Steelers/Vikings - This year's Toilet Bowl goes across the pond to London.  One of these teams will get off the schnide but impossible to say who it might be,

Bucs/Cardinals - Seriously...  who would waste 3 1/2 hrs of their life on this?

Packers meanwhile have a VERY early bye which may help their prospects now but how will they be doing come Week 12 or 13?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 27, 2013, 12:10:00 am
 
Who could predict THE CHICAGO BEARS in week 12 ? Not me.

 At DEEEEEETROIT however ... I cant predict that either.

 What do I want our boys to do ?
 
 You have been given one of two choices.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on September 27, 2013, 08:51:52 am
That was some really bad football in that Niners/Rams game last night.  Why are the Rams on a primetime football game, ever?  Just another Thursday night clinker served up by the folks in the NFL.

And W-T-F with all the guys on both teams going down hurt last night?  That was ridiculous.  Maybe that short turnaround for the Thursday night games really does take its toll on the players.
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Post by: Keysbear on September 27, 2013, 09:15:43 am
The Niner's didn't look all that impressive in the win. The Rams just stunk it up. Against a decent defense Kaepernick has at least 2 int's.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 28, 2013, 06:49:00 am
The Rams defense looked into it for about a quarter and a half and then they just seemed to go through the motions.  It was weird.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on September 28, 2013, 11:52:21 am
MHO of the future perennial powerhouses:

Baltimore

Cincinnati

Chicago

Green Bay

Indianapolis

New Orleans

Denver

San Francisco

Seattle.

Some of these teams already have been perennial power houses and some are developing, now.

Miami and KC are on the verge.

NE may there or may be slipping.



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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 28, 2013, 07:03:23 pm
Agreed Packy!
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 29, 2013, 03:07:09 am

 Packy I'd toss in Atlanta & Houston ... injurys may decide the outcome with Houston.
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Post by: 46 on September 29, 2013, 08:31:53 am
In bed late sat nite watching asu and usc go up and down the field, up early and see usc shoved Kiffin out the airlock.  Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, I wonder if Fisher is looking to get back home to USC.  What a fraud Kiffin is.
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Post by: Keysbear on September 29, 2013, 09:10:20 am
After screwing over the University of Tennessee to go to USC and his massive failure at Oakland Kiffin will likely never be a HC at any major university of pro franchise again.
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Post by: packrat on September 29, 2013, 06:07:33 pm
Packy I'd toss in Atlanta & Houston ... injurys may decide the outcome with Houston.

I wouldn't seriously disagree, jj, but they seem to have kind of plateaued at their present level.
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Post by: packrat on September 29, 2013, 06:20:16 pm
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/521/087/ScreenShot2013-09-26at6.35.27PM_crop_north.png?w=340&h=234&q=75)

In what is sure to become a trend this season, St. Louis Rams defensive end Robert Quinn "Kaepernicked" after sacking San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick in the first quarter of Thursday night's game.
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Post by: Chris27 on September 29, 2013, 06:23:13 pm
Peyton Manning is putting up the greatest season by a QB ever. And it's not close at this point.
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Post by: Pekin on September 29, 2013, 06:31:11 pm
He is absolutely awesome!

I think he was always a student of the game but put it into overdrive to make up for the loss of arm strength.  I think he has most of that arm strength back this year...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 29, 2013, 07:50:02 pm
In bed late sat nite watching asu and usc go up and down the field, up early and see usc shoved Kiffin out the airlock.  Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, I wonder if Fisher is looking to get back home to USC.  What a fraud Kiffin is.

After screwing over the University of Tennessee to go to USC and his massive failure at Oakland Kiffin will likely never be a HC at any major university of pro franchise again.

 This dude has one hell of an agent to keep pulling this off. His father comes into play also.

 NEXT UP : HC Washington Redskins
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Post by: Sportster on September 29, 2013, 08:19:58 pm
Manning is fantastic. Thing about him, though, is he needs to keep it tight in controlling himself, especially the huge games. This could end up either in a SB victory or in another epic collapse like the Vikings had years ago when they were scorching things and blew it.....
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Post by: navigator on October 01, 2013, 09:54:55 am
Manning  won't blow it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 03, 2013, 01:22:42 am

 Manning blew it last year.
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Post by: navigator on October 03, 2013, 09:09:38 am
I don't think he blows it this year.
We have to remember he was coming off the neck injury and wasn't quite himself all year. He couldn't make the throws last year that he could make in the past.

This year he actually looks the best he has in years.
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Post by: 46 on October 03, 2013, 09:38:36 am
At this point, he's a machine. With a purpose.  Dangerous combination.  He wants to take a big,big umbrella, shove it up the colts owners bum, open it up, and break off the handle. And may do just that.
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Post by: dallasbear on October 03, 2013, 11:57:24 am

Broncos defense and special teams were just as much to blame for that Ravens loss as Manning...maybe more.
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Post by: Sportster on October 04, 2013, 08:24:22 am
Turning point was the int by Manning.....
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Post by: yapper on October 04, 2013, 08:26:48 am
Actually I think the Broncos S that gave up the game winning TD to the Ravens is considered much more the goat of that game than Peyton Manning is.

At least in Denver he is.   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on October 05, 2013, 12:48:48 pm
But they were doing well until Manning threw that int, and then you could see it turn from that point......momentum shift...
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Post by: Pekin on October 06, 2013, 09:41:15 pm
Man Schaub has thrown a pick six 4 games in a row and just keeps turning the ball over.  He is killing that team. 
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Post by: packrat on October 07, 2013, 06:47:22 pm
In discussing the GB - Det game it is important to describe the importance of the Lions having to play without Calvin Johnson.  His loss greatly weakened their offensive power.

Nevertheless The Packers DBs played very well.  They began to play as a unit with Morgan Burnett playing his first game of the year back in his quarterbacking role.  Casey Hayward , the ball-hawking CB is still out but should be back soon.  With him back the DBs should be playing at full strength and we can see how good they really are.

The D-Line utterly smothered the Lions' running game and played their best ball of the season.

The LBs played very well with Mike Neal replacing Nick Perry part of the game.  The decision to have Neal play part time at LB was  a wise one.  He is doing very well.  They were all over the Det running and passing game.

Great game by all three starting WRs who caught everything near them.

The O-line played a good game; clearly their best game of the year, expecialy since they were facing an impressive Lions D-Line.  They made holes for the RBs and Lacy took good advantage of it.  The running game is beginning to look pretty good.

Bad news from the game:

1. The Pack was only able to score one TD.  With the D playing so well the 5 FGs by Crosby did the job.

2. ANOTHER bad injury.  Matthews will be out about a month.  Brad Jones was also injured indefinitely.

How can you win when the injuries keep piling up like that.  At least Hayward should be back soon.
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Post by: BearHit on October 08, 2013, 06:32:26 am
Wow - Atlanta falls to 1-4?

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=331007001

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 08, 2013, 12:33:52 pm
Wait... it gets better:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/08/falcons-fear-julio-jones-lost-for-season/

Can you imagine the Falcons somehow winding up with Clowney out of this?  That would almost make this season worth it for them, and they would be back with a vengeance next year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 08, 2013, 03:06:58 pm
unsure about Clowney, wonder if he will quit on an NFL team like he has quit on SC?
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Post by: yapper on October 08, 2013, 03:10:39 pm
I've heard that Clowney is not 100% healthy this year. He'll still be a Top 3 pick though even if he doesn't play up to the hype this year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on October 08, 2013, 07:35:18 pm
Saban is riding the kid, making millions for himself and the kid is doing it for no pay, bearing all the risk of injury.  If he sat out the rest of the year I wouldn't have a problem with that. 
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 08, 2013, 08:13:52 pm
Saban coaches Alabama.  Clowney plays for South Carolina.
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Post by: 46 on October 08, 2013, 10:58:16 pm
I guess I'm still rooting for the Brownies in the afc, but they bring some of this stuff on themselves.  Just read where one of Jerry Sandusky's sons, who works for the Browns, was arrested in.....
Fargo N.D.  Fargo? Sandusky? Middle of nfl season?  You can't make this up. This, the crook owner, Richardson gone, well, at least the team is still there. This team I mean.  They've already had two bail on them.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 09, 2013, 04:33:49 am

 JJ gets the sweats at week eight ... it could be here ... it could be there.

 Do any of us realize what JCut just did with Jefferys?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on October 09, 2013, 07:01:08 am
Doh, mental fart on my part.  Meant Spurrier, the ball coach.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 09, 2013, 07:50:45 am
This is a weird year...  if things continue as they are, some pretty good teams could wind up with really bad records.  So then you combine that with any slide that Clowney may take over the rest of the season and you could easily have a situation where a team like the Falcons, Giants or Texans winds up with Clowney and instantly returns to playoff status.  Just hoping he stays out of the NFC.
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Post by: dallasbear on October 09, 2013, 09:42:10 am

The way the Texans are playing they may be looking at hard at local product Manziel at QB.  Heard some 'fans' tracked down Schaub at his home...unbelievable.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 09, 2013, 09:55:34 am
Heard some 'fans' tracked down Schaub at his home...unbelievable.

No doubt, that's scary sh*t. That's just going way over the line. We don't need to be South America where they off soccer players who don't produce.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on October 09, 2013, 10:07:27 am

Yeah, if we were like that most the starting QBs between McMahon and Cutler would be in witness protection programs.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 09, 2013, 10:24:33 am
To me the biggest disappointments this season are the Falcons, Giants and Texans.

I would say the team in line for the most offseason changes of those three is the Texans.  Schaub and Kubiak will both likely be shown the door and if they are serious about rebuilding they will try to move Arian Foster and Andre Johnson for draft picks.  They're a team that for the last few years has had plenty of talent and a division that gift-wraps a playof spot for them but has just never found that "special sauce" to get them all the way. 

The Giants will certainly keep Eli but I see Coughlin retiring and some major churn of that roster especially on the D and OL which need complete rebuilds. 

The Falcons are probably the team least likely to make drastic changes...  they need to shore up their O-Line but their biggest challenge has come from losing virtually every playmaker they have on offense other than Gonzales within the first 5 weeks of the season. They may wind up drafting in the Top-10 and if they can leverage that into a good crop of rookies and their stud WRs come back healthy, they will be right back in the mix as soon as next year.  Matt Ryan still has good years left and with that contract he's not going anywhere.   

Some people also are surprised at how poorly the Steelers are doing but for some reason I actually saw that one coming. They used to set the standard for the league in terms of personnel decisions but they've lost their mojo on that front pretty badly of late and now it's coming back to bite them.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on October 09, 2013, 10:55:37 am
Don't forget your talking Texas and football.  Football is viewed.....differently in Texas, as are many other things.  Think Friday light nights and those alums running around in a corvette convertable.
Doesn't surprise me in the least .  Kid should best move for the sake of the family.  There photos and shots of the house and address are out on facebook now.  Think that clown is the only one?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on October 09, 2013, 10:58:09 am
Only way to top that story is for Schaub to come out and shoot the idiots on his property
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 09, 2013, 11:00:10 am
Schaub and Christian Ponder are career backup guys who had the misfortune of being saddled with the expectation of being franchise QBs.

They would both benefit from going to new teams and if they are willing to accept a backup role they can probably have nice-paying gigs in the league for at least a few more years each.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on October 09, 2013, 12:35:24 pm
I actually heard an NFL sports agent in a radio interview talk about back up QB's that become free agents.  He said in some cases he would have a client turn down a higher contract with a certain team that the backup had a chance to win the starting job.  Why you ask?  His answer was they would make more money in the long run being a back up taking lesser pay and hanging around the league longer instead of stepping into that situation and failing.  It would shorten their career if they had to show how they played.

It makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 09, 2013, 12:39:10 pm
Being a long-term backup QB in the NFL is the best job on earth IMO.  You keep your health but still get all the perks of playing in the NFL. Retire before your're 35 with millions in the bank, a couple nice houses, a smokin hot wife and the rest of your life to enjoy it all.

The only racket better than that is to be a backup caliber QB who convinces some team that you're actually a starter and pays you for it.  See Kolb, Kevin and Flynn, Matt.

Peyton Manning has a bajillion dollars in the bank and will make a bajillion more after he retires as well as going into the HOF on the first ballot.  Matt Flynn has quite a few million in the bank and will only ever get into the HOF with a ticket.  But, in terms of their physical and mental well being, who's gonna have the better quality of life when they're 65?

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on October 09, 2013, 12:43:07 pm
Quote
The only racket better than that is to be a backup caliber QB who convinces some team that you're actually a starter and pays you for it.  See Kolb, Kevin and Flynn, Matt.

That is what you DON'T want to do.  That was exactly the agents point.  Those back up QB's careers are about over now when they could have played 10 years or more as back ups and made more money in the long run.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 09, 2013, 12:47:42 pm
Oh I see.  Yeah, that makes sense.

Plus, if you hang around long enough in the league you wind up drawing a pretty nice pension IIRC.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 09, 2013, 12:55:35 pm
LS and Punter/Kicker has to be a pretty good gig too.
You might not make the money some backup QB's get but if you are good at your job you can work until your early 40s and retire in pretty decent shape.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on October 09, 2013, 01:01:07 pm

Speaking of Matt Flynn...I hear he was just cut and is now available.   Packers are not interested.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 09, 2013, 01:10:44 pm
Long snappers take a lot more physical abuse than punters or kickers... and get paid less... but yeah that's still a pretty good gig.  We'll probably keep Mannelly around till his arms fall off but as long as he's doing the job, why not?

Plus I've seen NFL long snappers playing at as light as 250-260 lbs.  Mannelly plays at about 265 IIRC. A lot of people think you have to be the size of an NFL C to be a LS when actually you're better off being the size of a LB and can move.  LS is a great way for those tweener sized guys to carve out a place in the league.  Combine that with the relatively small number of reps per game and you're not putting close to the wear and tear on your body that those O-Linemen are doing playing 50+ snaps a game at over 300 lbs... which greatly reduces the odds of a LS having longer term health problems down the road.
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Post by: dallasbear on October 09, 2013, 02:47:23 pm

They're not on the field for kickoffs.  And on extra point and field goal kicks there is not as much contact with the new rules.  So its basically the punt game where they have to make a long snap and then run down the field, avoid blockers and try to make a tackle a half dozen times a game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 09, 2013, 03:05:56 pm
I have a married-in cousin who was a long-snapper in college.  He never came close to making it to the NFL (not big enough) but he was showing me how it's done one time.

First off, you don't really get a good feel for how far they have to snap it just by watching on TV.  When you're on the field it is a LONG ways for the ball to go.

Second, that ball gets there FAST.  I stood where the punter usually would be while he was snapping and let me tell you, that thing came back at me with velocity. To get the ball snapped between your legs that far, that fast, with accuracy -- consistently -- is a definite art form.

I had a whole new apprciation for what those guys do after that.
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Post by: Dave23 on October 09, 2013, 06:03:49 pm
We've met the Ravens long snapper, Morgan Cox, several times thru friends, and seen him out numerous times. He's from my hometown, and went to hs at my alma mater.

His SB ring is pretty sweet.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 10, 2013, 06:07:41 am
Mike Tomczak and Charlie Batch, case in point
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Post by: yapper on October 10, 2013, 07:33:19 am
Gary Kubiak.  Did that guy ever even play a single down in Denver?  Yet he was there forever, collecting nice paychecks and learning the game from some of the best in the business.  Then another nice career after that in coaching although if the Texans don't turn it around soon that may be coming to an end.
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Post by: dallasbear on October 10, 2013, 09:20:14 am

From Wikipedia:

Kubiak was selected in the eighth round of the 1983 NFL Draft by the Denver Broncos, the same year quarterback John Elway was drafted No. 1 overall by the Baltimore Colts before forcing a trade to Denver. Kubiak played his entire career for the Broncos as a backup for Elway, a Hall of Famer.[2] In nine seasons, Kubiak went 3–2 as a starter, throwing for 14 touchdowns, 16 interceptions and 1,920 yards while part of three AFC championship teams.[3]
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Post by: yapper on October 10, 2013, 09:28:17 am
That's more playing time than I thought Kubiak got in Denver.

Spending an entire career with one team...  as a backup QB...  that's pretty unusual. Sounds like he was one of those guys Wmljohn was talking about who knew his "role" in the league and profited nicely from it.
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Post by: dallasbear on October 10, 2013, 09:42:14 am

Probably before salary cap and current free agency where you could keep a veteran backup for years.  Now that's almost unheard of.  The only guy that comes close to that on current Bears roster is Stelz.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on October 10, 2013, 10:08:53 am
I always thought Danny White was the ultimate clipboard carrier. He had a long career before it ever got started.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 10, 2013, 10:15:50 am
The guy who sat behind Dan Marino forever did it pretty well too.  To be honest I can't even remember his name right now.

Strock? I think he coaches someplace now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on October 10, 2013, 10:17:01 am
I think it was Don Strock?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 10, 2013, 11:04:20 am
That sounds right.  He wore #10.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 10, 2013, 01:40:20 pm
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=who+was+Dan+Marino%27s+backup

just messing with you guys
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on October 13, 2013, 10:56:13 am
I wonder how much money Jerry Jones paid NFL Network to prop up Tony Romo? It's a love fest to rival the old John Madden Favre slurping.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 14, 2013, 10:18:16 am
I don't know, but it was nice to see the Cowboys defense show up after that abomination against Denver last week.

Skins D didn't look bad either at least the first half. 
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Post by: packrat on October 14, 2013, 09:04:42 pm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImNBuJW3sQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImNBuJW3sQ)
 


Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 15, 2013, 09:13:59 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/15/terrelle-pryor-wants-the-blame-for-sundays-loss/

I hate to say it but this Pryor kid is kind of growing on me.

He came into the league under some shady circumstances but his talent is undeniable and on top of that he is showing leadership qualities and playing his azz off on a team that frankly is a couple of years away from even contending in a tough division.  If he keeps this up and stays healthy, the Raiders will at least have a legit QB to build around for the first time since before Al Davis started going off the rails. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 15, 2013, 09:56:44 am
It's just been one of those years for the Steelers...

They trade for this guy, he injures himself in pregame warmups and goes to IR without ever playing a down for his new team.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/15/steelers-place-levi-brown-on-injured-reserve/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 15, 2013, 07:46:16 pm
Talk about bad  fans booing Schaub when he was injured, how about Denver fans booing their team when they left the field at half-time wit only a 14-12 lead.  Sickening.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on October 15, 2013, 10:08:34 pm
Lack of oxygen and booze in Denver and can semi sort of understand.  The Texas mob, while is typical for Texas fans is foul to cheer an injury.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 16, 2013, 07:47:44 am
Everything has just caved in on that Texans team this year.  They are too bland for me to care much about one way or the other but given the expectations going into this year I will be interested to see if the owner blows things up after this season or if Kubiak & Co. get another year to try and right the ship.

I also read that ex-Bear Danieal Manning (who has turned into a pretty solid S for them) recently sustained a leg injury that may keep him out of action for some time.

As for Denver...  any good team can come out flat and underperform against an inferior team on any given day.  The Bears have done that pretty routinely over the past few years.  The difference is, do they snap out of it later in the game and we saw the Broncos do that against the Jags.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on October 16, 2013, 09:20:21 am

...The Texas mob, while is typical for Texas fans is foul to cheer an injury.

Maybe in Houston but not in Dallas, their fans are usually sitting on their hands.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2013, 10:42:38 am
...The Texas mob, while is typical for Texas fans is foul to cheer an injury.

Maybe in Houston but not in Dallas, their fans are usually sitting on their hands.

I had heard that it's the Houston fans who are the baddies in Texas.  When Don Meredith covered MNF he commented on that when the camera scanned past a fan in the upper deck giving the finger to the broadcast cam.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on October 16, 2013, 10:44:42 am
From what I've heard, Houston is just not a very nice place in general.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on October 16, 2013, 11:04:18 am

Now there are some exceptions, but most Texans would probably agree with you.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2013, 03:18:07 pm
 

5. Fan behavior

The year was 1995, and I was covering the Giants for The New York Times. The Giants' season was over, and thousands of ignorant fans seemed to show up at the game just to act like asses. They used wet snow and ice in the stadium as projectiles, and after throwing hardened snowballs at each other, they began pelting the players and team officials on the field.

One snowball hit one of the Chargers' team personnel in the head and knocked him unconscious. Things got so bad, the game had to be halted until order was restored. Fans that were caught or photographed throwing the snowballs had their tickets revoked. There were arrests. The team apologized to fans in a full-page newspaper ad.

We've seen horrible fan behavior before and since. We will continue to see it.

But fans who cheer when a player is injured deserve a special place in hell.

There's no true punitive action a franchise can take against such miscreants, but a player I spoke to had a good suggestion. If a player is injured and there is cheering in the stadium, players from both teams retreat to their benches until the cheering stops as a form of protest. I like that.

I do think players in that situation need to show fans they won't tolerate that kind of behavior.

 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2013, 03:33:49 pm
Green Bay Packers Injury Report

Name Position Injury
Casey Haywad CB Hamstring
Brad Jones LB Hamstring
Clay Mathews OLB Thumb
Robert Francois LB Achilles
Randall Cobb WR Fibula
James Jones WR PCL
Nick Perry OLB Foot
James Starks RB Knee
Greg Van Roten OL Foot

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2013, 03:38:50 pm
Stoneburner, a 6-foot-3, 249-pound rookie out of Ohio State, signed with Green Bay as a non-drafted free agent in May 2013 and has been on the team’s practice squad for all five games this season. He totaled 53 receptions for 714 yards (13.5 avg.) and 13 TDs during his career at Ohio State. Stoneburner will wear No. 85 for the Packers.

White, a 6-foot, 182-pound rookie out of Louisiana Tech, signed with the Packers as a non-drafted free agent in May 2013 and has been on the club’s practice squad for all five games this season. He played in 22 games with eight starts during his two seasons at Louisiana Tech and totaled 86 catches for 1,132 yards (13.2 avg.) and nine TDs. White will wear No. 19 for the Packers.

Two undrafted rookies added to roster.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2013, 03:47:06 pm
RG37
• a day ago  △ ▽

Stoneburner was a sure in high round pick at a tight end at Ohio St. He was victimized by a young Braxton Miller who was a freshmen learning to pass the ball. Most of Stoneburners numbers were in his first two years. (With Terell Pryor) a qb who could throw the ball in college. Ohio St in desperation to get Stoneburners hands on the field moved him to WR. Braxton Miller being a run first QB was not able to give him the reads. He has incredible hands, ran an above avg 40 and is much more of a pure rt running pass catcher. I think this kid will be lightning in a bottle and give Rodgers a strong set of hands over the middle.



TDpack > samuelstorns

ss, don't be surprised by that. I remember reading DD was a 7'6 High Jumper, WR out of Alcorn State and he fell to the 7th round.
I thought, "Man, with that kind of jumping ability, he can go up and get the ball from anyone. Besides, he has to have GREAT explosion to high jump like that".
Well, I talked to DD his rookie year after the family fun night. He was the last player to leave the outer edge of the fence line and my family and I were his last autographs that night. He spoke to us for 5 minutes.
The one thing DD said was, "I'm going to work really hard to make this team and show I belong here".
I asked myself how the scouts could miss this guy? The Packers scouts didn't.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2013, 03:50:53 pm
I am a simple minded optimist but I think the passing game will be OK.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2013, 04:03:04 pm
As long as you have Rodgers your passing game will be fine.  However you are going to see more dropped passes and probably a few more interceptions as well.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 17, 2013, 07:43:28 pm
Maybe.  We'll see.  I think last Sunday was just an aberration, though.

Also, just when the Packers needed him Finley was invisible, except for the one long pass.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 17, 2013, 11:37:06 pm

 DO or DIE CHICAGO BEARS @ Washington.

 You want RGIII gone ?

 CHICAGO BEARS turn on the running game.

 Bush and Ford need to step it up bigtime ... keep RGIII on the bench.

 BALL CONTROL.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 20, 2013, 07:21:26 pm
Is it just me or are their an inordinate amount of injured players this season across the NFL?

Perhaps the new safety rules are doing more harm then good.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 20, 2013, 08:50:45 pm
Yep.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 20, 2013, 10:45:18 pm
No one lines up a guy on the snapper in punts anymore.  So why not have the protection guy move over and do the QB sneak?  Seems like it would be an easy 3 yards everytime.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 20, 2013, 10:45:44 pm
By the way tons of injuries in this game as well.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 20, 2013, 11:00:15 pm
Luck does a flop and the refs throw the flag.  NFL is getting ridiculous with the flags anymore.

It is getting to the point I am beginning to wonder if it is worth my time to watch anymore.
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Post by: Pekin on October 20, 2013, 11:15:49 pm
Pretty obvious to me the league has decided offenses will be favored.  Glad we have an offensive minded coach.
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Post by: VJ on October 22, 2013, 11:23:09 am
7-0.  whodathunkit?

(http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/589/10/589_1382407375.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iE4uEsaBF0&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 22, 2013, 06:41:58 pm

 Its a 16 game season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on October 23, 2013, 11:42:07 am
Ooh - Look out now Chief fans - Jason Campbell is the new QB

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24128277/jason-campbell-named-browns-week-8-starter
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Phill23 on October 23, 2013, 12:01:36 pm
  NFL is getting ridiculous with the flags anymore.



????
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on October 24, 2013, 07:52:24 am
they flag questionable hits but don't flag blatant holding.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 24, 2013, 03:25:52 pm
Doctors Believe Packers TE Jermichael Finley Can Play Again, but IR Not Ruled Out

By Jason Hirschhorn  @JBHirschhorn  on Oct 22 2013, 1:31p  82
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 25, 2013, 03:54:21 pm
Doctors Believe Packers TE Jermichael Finley Can Play Again, but IR Not Ruled Out

By Jason Hirschhorn  @JBHirschhorn  on Oct 22 2013, 1:31p  82


 Packy

 Finley took one hard hit. If he bounces back after that ... good!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 25, 2013, 07:29:45 pm
I dunno.  Some folks feel it is too risky for him to continue.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 25, 2013, 08:07:46 pm
I dunno.  Some folks feel it is too risky for him to continue.

 Packy

 Sad news about Finley.

 However my teams next mission is to come to Lambeau and destroy everything you believe in.

 Wish us luck.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on October 26, 2013, 12:49:47 am
Many thought the same thing about Manning....how's he been doing lately?....
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Post by: Keysbear on October 26, 2013, 09:51:02 am
Many thought the same thing about Manning....how's he been doing lately?....

Really...you don't see a difference in the hits a TE takes vs a QB?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on October 26, 2013, 09:06:21 pm
It's dangerous either way. Was bad enough of a hit that it happened to Manning, wasn't it?.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 27, 2013, 11:21:19 pm

 Saw some records set today ...

  109 yards for a kickoff return.

  93 yards by a QB for a rushing TD.

  329 yards tied by a WR.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on October 28, 2013, 10:37:39 am
329 not a record...Flipper Anderson still has that record.

I played Flipper that day, too! Ha!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 30, 2013, 11:06:01 am
(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1887185/818221375.gif)

I did a Twitter search for "Golden Tate" after his egregious taunt on the 80-yard touchdown that proved to be the difference in Monday Night Football's impression of Cold War-era Soviet architecture. NOT RECOMMENDED. It was an approximately even split between "BOOOO more like Golden Tasteless" and "Golden Tate do your thing I started you in fantasy." With that in mind, here are tweets from people who were ahead of the discussion curve (plus some shameless self-promotion):

From Fmblr.com.

  ______________________________________________________________________________ sir broosk  @celebrityhottub

EVEN PETE CARROLL THINKS YOU'RE BEING A DICK, GOLDEN TATE. EVEN. PETE. CARROLL.


9:47 PM - 28 Oct 2013

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Post by: BearHit on October 30, 2013, 11:43:52 am
Karma will find him someday
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 30, 2013, 06:40:18 pm
http://www.packersnews.com/article/20131029/PKR01/310290372/Trestman-takes-hands-personal-approach-Bears-coach

A view of Trestman from the Packers' side of the field.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 01, 2013, 06:29:27 pm

 Packy,

 Interesting
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 01, 2013, 08:04:21 pm
Justin Blackmon or Alshon Jeffrey?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on November 06, 2013, 08:12:50 am
what do you guys think about the Incognito/Martin thing?
I think it is no secret that Incognito is a turd but does anyone think Martin is a little childish calling Incognito a bully? I mean these are grown men.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on November 06, 2013, 08:23:38 am
After seeing the Aaron Hernandez behavior I have no problem with any player reacting to a threat to "kill him". Different world now. The stakes are higher and the results more violent. They may be grown men but many act like children. Bullying was the word chosen by the media and it tends to minimize the potentially serious and dangerous behavior of Incognito. Would you tolerate someone in your workplace threatening to kill you and leaving you threatening voicemails?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on November 06, 2013, 08:25:02 am
I would have thought that it could be handled internally before it got to this point.
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Post by: Sportster on November 06, 2013, 08:44:14 am
Incognito sounds like a maniac with roid rage. Something needed to be done.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on November 06, 2013, 10:15:15 am
Latest story is the coaches told Incognito to toughen up Martin.  This one is going to get bumpy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on November 06, 2013, 10:20:59 am
I'm sure that happens alot for youngsters - I remember stories about Bryant McKinnie where they had to slap his face hard - to get that mean streak going
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on November 06, 2013, 10:45:14 am
This one will get real ugly before it gets any better. That was a poor draft choice from the standpoint the young man simply wanted to be left alone.  Nobody is left alone in the NFL unless you
have a prison record. Kids like that attract bullys like ants to sugar. He needed to take a swing at him to get him to back off. Easier said than done.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on November 06, 2013, 12:26:27 pm
Something brought up on the Lavar Arrington and Dukes radio show yesterday...

What if Martin is Gay and they are harassing him.

Lavar said he was not even going to bring that up no matter what.  Until a caller did and he said the caller hit a home run with that call.  What if Martin was gay?  What if the Dolphins ignored, or even worse, allowed this type of behavior towards Martin?  What if they condoned it?  Talk about harassment lawsuite!  That would be a HUGE black eye for the NFL if Marting turned out to be Gay and was treated like this.  More than Incongneto was in on it.  They invited him to sit at their table then everyone at the table got up and went to another table when he sat down?

Folks there is more to the story than just hazing a rookie.  He was a rookie last year not this year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 06, 2013, 12:33:16 pm
Why not...they're pushing gay this, gay that crap everywhere like everyone accepts it....or they're desperately trying to get everyone to accept it....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on November 06, 2013, 12:44:08 pm
Doesn't matter what his preference is - once he got "branded" I can imagine he was harassed by most of his teammates - but Incognito went a bit too far
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 06, 2013, 03:21:59 pm
This signals problems with the team attitude.  It is not conducive to "team" play.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 06, 2013, 09:26:23 pm

 I dont want to see anybody hurt like Rodgers but can we plant Stafford in the same way ?

 You would want to see them bounce back after they played us.

 On the other hand teams keep fuucking us over with Jay Cutler ... so I dont know.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on November 07, 2013, 10:12:44 am
I find it very interesting that pretty much everyone being interviewed has been so supportive of Incognito. It is also pretty interesting that most folks are saying that Martin needs to "man up".

It wouldn't surprise me if Incognito gets a slap on the wrist and Martin ends up leaving (via cut or offseason trade). It would seem with RI getting so much support it would be hard for Martin to go back in that locker room.
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Post by: boogie on November 07, 2013, 10:29:34 am
Plus the story that Jeff Ireland told Martin to punch Incognito.  I mean really?  And Tannehill saying they were friends.  This whole thing stinks like rotten fish.  ;)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on November 07, 2013, 10:50:57 am
Maybe this Martin guy is bi-polar or something...

He was stressed out - it's not like he murdered somebody or anything
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jack Birdbath on November 07, 2013, 11:44:07 am
Why not...they're pushing gay this, gay that crap everywhere like everyone accepts it....or they're desperately trying to get everyone to accept it....

I hope one of your children is gay.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2013, 05:09:35 pm
Sorry to disappoint you but they're quite normal....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jack Birdbath on November 07, 2013, 08:52:51 pm
Sorry to disappoint you but they're quite normal....

That is definitely not true.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2013, 12:31:47 am
They're nothing like you....so yea, they're quite normal....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 09, 2013, 03:33:29 am
 
 Wow this is some heavy duty shIit for a BEARS fan to go thru ...

I went to open a can of chicken noodle soup on the can opener but it conked out.

I had to resort to a pick axe ... shovel and sledge hammer.

There wasnt much left to eat after that.

For some reason it seems a platitude has been crossed when it comes to dealing with the Detroit Lions.

Would I like the Lions pick axed ...speared with a shovel and beatin with a sledge hammer ?

Not me. I never said that.
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Post by: packrat on November 09, 2013, 07:43:36 pm
Agile mind, jj.
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Post by: navigator on November 11, 2013, 12:51:46 pm
not sure what will ultimately come of it but Richie Incognito seems to be saying all the right things. Someone is giving him good advice.
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Post by: BearHit on November 11, 2013, 01:18:12 pm
Easy to see why teams don't want cameras and recording devices around the locker rooms...

Some of these guys have more brawn than brains
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 12, 2013, 02:07:54 am

 Do all of you realize there are only two easy ways out at this point in time ?

 The Denver Broncos and Kansas City Chiefs ?

 Manning is gimped but they are playing at home against the perfect ... perfect ... K.C. Defense.

 So how long is it going to be perfect ?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 14, 2013, 07:49:20 am

 Traditionally strong against the run, the Chicago Bears' defense has leaked of late and players are trying to avoid blaming it on numerous injuries.

''It's honestly not like we're getting driven off the ball,'' Bears defensive tackle Corey Wootton said. ''It's just that we're not fitting in our gaps. When you're not disciplined, the thing that should be a 1-yard gain or possibly a tackle for loss turns into a 20-yard gain. That's where we need to clean that up because it's starting to become a problem.''

The Bears rank 31 out of 32 teams, giving up 129.4 yards rushing per game. If that holds till season's end, it will be the worst mark since linebacker Dick Butkus was limping around trying to play on a bad knee. The Bears were 25th out of 26 teams in 1973.

The Detroit Lions ran for 145 yards last week against the Bears, who allowed 123, 209 and 199 yards rushing the three previous games.

Tucker said players have to trust each other and stay in their gaps in the run defense.

''Typically, if you are in position where you are supposed to be, the plays will come to you,'' Tucker said. ''And so we ask guys not to try to do too much, just do what we're asking you to do, and be where you're supposed to be and then when you have an opportunity to make a play, make it.''

It's not easy for players to establish trust when they're unfamiliar with each other or the defensive scheme. With linebacker Lance Briggs ruled out already for Sunday's game due to a broken shoulder, cornerback Charles Tillman done for the rest of the regular season (torn chest muscle), defensive tackle Henry Melton out with a torn anterior cruciate ligament and middle linebacker D.J. Williams done with a torn pectoral muscle, the Bears keep lining up new players.

Coach Marc Trestman doubts the problem is as severe as numbers indicate, and believes it can be solved by taking care of details more than being physical.

''This happens week to week in the National Football League,'' he said. ''When you lose a game, it's just a little bit more magnified that there's a lot of ifs involved, if we would have run inside instead of outside, if we would have been a little bit tighter - the little details that go with any aspect of the game, and the running game is inclusive of that. If you're not detailed and one guy is doing it just a little bit differently and we're not in coordination with the other guys, that's what happens. I really can't be any more specific than that.''

Trestman gave Tucker a vote of confidence Wednesday.

''As I talked to the team on Monday, I thought our defense played well enough for us to win under unusual circumstances because of the situation of having so many players out that gave our team a chance to win,'' Tucker said. ''I think that starts with Mel, and our staff getting the guys ready, continuing to work with them to try and improve.

''Are we where we want to be? No. We're always trying to get better. But I think he's done an outstanding job in the classroom. On the field he's excellent, and I think he's done a great job of being on the field and managing the team for the last couple of games on the field. It's very impressive to watch.''

It's possible the Bears could get some relief this week against the run when they face the Baltimore Ravens. Even with Ray Rice in the backfield the Ravens rank 30th running the ball at 73.1 yards a game.

''This is a zone blocking team that wants to run the ball,'' Wootton said. ''They've got a great running back in Rice. Their line is big and physical. They do a good job of mixing it up.''

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Post by: Sportster on November 14, 2013, 03:32:59 pm
Wooten is now team spokesman...this is how far we've fallen. Not that I dislike him but he's a bit player really. With a quality draft, the guy is on the bench, replaced.
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Post by: boogie on November 14, 2013, 06:34:42 pm
I like Wooten and think he could really blossom.  Although not if they keep playing him at DT.
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Post by: packrat on November 14, 2013, 07:44:16 pm
San Francisco 9, Carolina 10

Time of Death: Colin Kaepernick's last pass of the day ended up being a 28 yard completion...to Carolina cornerback Drayton Florence. Look, you probably can't even throw a 28 yard pass, hater

Remember  the start of the season and all the talk about Kaepernick and how that passing style would change the whole game of football?  How is that working out?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 15, 2013, 05:36:11 pm

 We dont know yet.
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Post by: packrat on November 15, 2013, 06:54:23 pm
Have you seen something that makes you doubt that statement, jj?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 16, 2013, 07:12:12 pm
Have you seen something that makes you doubt that statement, jj?

 Yes Mario Manningham and Michael Crabtree.
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Post by: VJ on November 17, 2013, 06:45:13 am
From Rotoworld

Former Ravens, Bears, and Colts S Tom Zbikowski has retired from football. He'll begin training for the Chicago Fire Department next month. Only 28, Zbikowski revealed he recently lost his love for football and reported to Bears camp this summer out of shape. A heavy drinker, Zbikowski estimates he played at least 12 of his 64 career games with a "massive hangover." "I'm the only guy who can drink six beers, then spar 10 rounds on the same day," he said.
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 17, 2013, 08:02:35 pm
And you want him to respond to serious problems??

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Post by: packrat on November 18, 2013, 05:52:54 pm
Yes Mario Manningham and Michael Crabtree.

You completely lost me there, jj.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 18, 2013, 07:40:28 pm
He's saying that Kap doesn't have his receivers, though he does have Bolden...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 19, 2013, 01:10:37 am
You completely lost me there, jj.

He's saying that Kap doesn't have his receivers, though he does have Bolden...

 Packy what G34 said.

 MEANWHILE ...

 BEARS 24 Bengals 21 +3

BEARS 31 Vikings 30 +1

BEARS 40 Steelers 23 +17

BEARS 32 Lions 40 -8

BEARS 18 Saints 26 -8

BEARS 27 Giants 21 +6

BEARS 41 Redskins 45 -4

BEARS 27 Packers 20 +7

BEARS 19 Lions 21 -2

BEARS 23 Ravens 20 +3

BEARS @ Rams

BEARS @ Vikings

BEARS vs. Cowboys

BEARS @ Browns

BEARS @ Eagles

BEARS vs. Packers

 If the rest of the schedule is evaluated ... dont even tell me we dont have a chance.

 This is a TEAM that is losing a player per week ... but is in this race to the end.

 Thats HEART man ... thats fuucking SOUL! You cant buy that ... its built into the CORE.

 The common ingrediant that every BEARS player has when he plays for DAA BEARRSSE !

 This is what DITKA knew.



 
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Post by: packrat on November 19, 2013, 07:31:42 pm
Yell me about it, jj when you have lost the players the Pack has.
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Post by: navigator on November 20, 2013, 09:26:05 am
I think the Pack and the Bears both know about injuries.
Our likely HOF DE has been playing through injury all season, hopefully getting healthy now.
all of our starting LBers have missed games.
what, our top 3 DTs and MLB on IR.
pro bowl OLB out 4-6 games.
pro bowl CB out for the remainder of the regular season.
starting QB to miss multiple games.

We are fortunate of a few things.
Our team is offense focused now and our O has been pretty healthy.
We have a decent backup QB who fits the system well.
Some of the young guys on D have played as good as expected.

If we still had last years team and the D was playing this bad/inured we would be wondering who we were going to get with our top 10 draft pick next spring.
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Post by: packrat on November 20, 2013, 04:11:24 pm
You have your info well documented, Navigator.

From where I am standing McCown is a true hero for the Bears and their fans.  I feel he replaced Cutler without a hitch and the Bears continued smoothly.  All Bears fans should give  a big cheer for this guy who allowed the team to continue playing well.  I believe you could play the remainder of the season without Cutler and not miss him.  As a GB fan I would rather face Cutler than McCown.
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Post by: dallasbear on November 20, 2013, 04:16:44 pm

You never faced Cutler with THIS offense, specifically this offensive line and 3 legitimate receiving threats.

I love how everyone talks about how QB friendly this offense is under Trestman is.  And it may be.  But what is more QB friendly is keeping those 300 lb defensive lineman from slamming you down into the turf.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 20, 2013, 07:07:26 pm
You never faced Cutler with THIS offense, specifically this offensive line and 3 legitimate receiving threats.

I love how everyone talks about how QB friendly this offense is under Trestman is.  And it may be.  But what is more QB friendly is keeping those 300 lb defensive lineman from slamming you down into the turf.

 Its basically buullshiit until Bush and Ford come online to play in place of Forte.

 I want to see them at the Rams. What are we paying this guys for ?

 Let them start at St. Loo and get a rhythm going ... then bring in Forte with fresh legs in the fourth.

 I dont know why we keep fuucking around with this shiit when we have starters on the bench that we never use.

 Look ... we know we have a WR corp and and an OL to make sure they get it done.

 Lets see what the OTHER RB's have. Whos in disagreement ?

 If we are going to play down the road it cant be all about Forte ... lets see what else we have ...

 win lose or draw.

 Do you realize what a reversal of statments this is from last year ?

 Last year we were bitching about lack of an OFFENSIVE LINE ... my how times have changed ...  :D
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Post by: Sportster on November 20, 2013, 08:36:41 pm
The last few years it's been our Oline was terrible. Now the tables have flipped and the Dline is terrible. If we ever get both lines figured out, we could be good!.....
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 20, 2013, 09:05:43 pm

 Sporty we ARE good ... nobody would have figured us to be where we are with a CHERRY coaching staff and for all intents and purposes a CHERRY team.

 On a scale of one to ten where would I have projected us at ? 2

 Where are we really ? 6

 Did I mention that we have injurys ?

 Without the injurys ? 10

 The interesting thing is : Atlanta ... Houston ... Washington.

 The interesting thing is : Carolina ... CInncy ... Detroit.

 Which catagory do we want to be in ... in the future ?

 Can we define the catagory ?
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Post by: packrat on November 22, 2013, 07:24:37 pm
Then, of course, there's defensive tackle B.J. Raji, whose worth some view as overvalued after Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported that he has repeatedly turned down an offer from the Packers worth $8 million.

Raji could be a FA next season.
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Post by: packrat on November 22, 2013, 07:30:07 pm
Some will argue that the emergence of Jarrett Boykin has demonstrated that the Packers can let Jones walk and spend the money elsewhere. For the numbers Boykin's putting up—he's tied with Nelson for yards per reception, at 15.6, and needs just one more to surpass Randall Cobb for second-most on the team—he is an absolute steal, making just $480,000 this season. 

However, Boykin's spike in production just makes Jones more essential for the Packers to retain. It means Thompson's draft-and-develop system, which for financial and schematic reasons hinges on young players and rookies becoming meaningful contributors in order to balance out the big earners at their positions, is working.
 
A really good pass offense needs 3 top-notch receivers.  The Pack has 4, with Nelson, Jones, Cobb and Boykin, but if the Pack goes with only 3 sure as stootin' one of them will be injured. 
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Post by: packrat on November 22, 2013, 07:38:11 pm
"I believe we have the best receiving corps in the league because we all play every position," Jones told Tyler Dunne. "Nobody's an X, nobody's a Z. Everybody plays everything."

Moreover, Jones has demonstrated that he's a scoring threat throughout his career, ending 2012 with the most touchdowns in the league among wide receivers (14). Though Nelson leads the team currently, with 7 as compared to Jones' 2, having both of them running routes into the end zone increases the other's chances of getting open and putting six points on the board.

Now that Finley's return next season is up in the air, the Packers shouldn't cut down their receiving corps as it reaches new heights with this current solid grouping, especially after the loss of Donald Driver and Greg Jennings.
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Post by: packrat on November 23, 2013, 07:27:27 pm
Two more Packers to IR.

Packers Place Casey Hayward on Injured Reserve, Activate Jerel Worthy and Sean Richardson

By Evan "Tex" Western  @TexWestern  on Nov 23 2013, 3:45p  9 
 
Jeff Hanisch-US PRESSWIRE

We told you today about one corner who would be sent to injured reserve earlier today; we now know about another one and which players are taking their places on the active roster.


Earlier this morning, we found out that the Packers had planned to send cornerback James Nixon to injured reserve, and speculated that defensive end Jerel Worthy or safety Sean Richardson might be brought off the Physically Unable to Perform list onto the active roster.

News just broke that both players are being added to the active roster, and the Packers are sending another injured cornerback to injured reserve: Casey Hayward.

Richardson will likely take Nixon's spot on special teams, which is an area where he was highly effective last season before suffering a neck injury. Worthy will likely play in sub packages as a pass-rushing lineman along with Mike Daniels and Datone Jones.

Hayward's second NFL season has been marred by his hamstring injury, which caused him to miss the first six games of the year before reinjuring the muscle two weeks ago against the Eagles. He recorded eight total tackles in three games this season but had no interceptions or passes defended, a big step down from his six picks and staggering 21 passes defended from his rookie year.

Hopefully Hayward will be able to return healthy for OTAs next season and he should be in the mix at corner next season.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 23, 2013, 10:56:08 pm

 Packy,

 Its going to play out ... which is what we love.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 25, 2013, 11:38:31 pm

 Anybody know of any defense players that are coming up in FA around the league ?
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Post by: packrat on November 26, 2013, 02:55:18 pm
Anybody know of any defense players that are coming up in FA around the league ?

Safety Jerron McMillian

CB Jarrett Bush

CB Tramon Williams (probably)

SS MD JD Jennings

BJ Raji (if he sets his salary too high)
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Post by: wmljohn on November 27, 2013, 10:06:54 pm
Brian Arakpo in DC is going to be a FA I think..,
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 27, 2013, 11:26:13 pm

 Well gentlemen lets backto FA ... but first ...

 HAPPY THANKSGIVING !!
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Post by: Dave23 on November 28, 2013, 01:58:44 pm
Make no mistake...both of these teams are pretty poor.

The Packers D is just awful. The O is as well.
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Post by: Dave23 on November 28, 2013, 02:07:32 pm
Why was Suh not flagged for taking off his helmet after the safety?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 28, 2013, 09:50:07 pm
Make no mistake...both of these teams are pretty poor.

The Packers D is just awful. The O is as well.

They just played that way today -- like the Bears last week.
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Post by: Pekin on November 29, 2013, 03:00:21 pm
NFC

Safe: Seahawks, Saints, Panthers

The winner of Monday night’s Seahawks-Saints game has the inside track for home-field advantage throughout the NFC playoffs. The Seahawks are heavy favorites to win the NFC West even if they lose to the Saints on Monday. The Saints and Panthers play each other twice in December, and if one team sweeps those two games, that team would all but lock up the NFC South. The team that doesn’t win the NFC South is virtually assured of a wild card.

Control their playoff chances: Lions, Cowboys, Eagles, 49ers, Cardinals

The Lions have a half-game lead over the Bears in the NFC North and own the tiebreaker, so the Lions know they just need to keep winning to win the division. The Cowboys currently have a half-game lead over the Eagles in the NFC East and own the tiebreaker, but the Eagles still get another shot at the Cowboys in Week 17, so if the Eagles can keep pace with the Cowboys in the standings, that meeting on the last day of the season will determine the division. The 49ers and Cardinals are both 7-4 and play each other in Week 17, so they may meet with a wild card on the line in the last game of the year.

Need help: Bears

The Bears will need the Lions to lose at least once to win the NFC North, as Detroit owns the head-to-head tiebreaker. It’s still possible that the Bears could earn a wild-card berth, but those odds are long. The Bears’ best chance is to win out and hope the Lions lose one.

Long shots: Packers, Rams

Green Bay needs to win out while Detroit loses twice and Chicago loses at least once before hosting the Packers in Week 17. The Rams have to win out and get help, and winning out is almost impossible considering the remaining five games for St. Louis are at the 49ers, at the Cardinals, vs. the Saints, vs. the Buccaneers and at the Seahawks.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 29, 2013, 09:52:07 pm

 Unless we are complete idiots you do know we are going to walk the dog on Dallas dont you ?
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Post by: navigator on December 03, 2013, 11:24:48 am
I don't know how good of a coach he is but I really like watching Mike Tomlin interviews.
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Post by: packrat on December 03, 2013, 03:58:29 pm



Aaron Rodgers hasn’t been cleared and hasn’t been ruled out

Posted by Josh Alper on December 3, 2013, 4:25 PM EST

0897dfc9f4ab7cc25bd3250585dd78af-1AP
Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers went to see the doctor on Tuesday, but there’s not much of an update about his condition.

As you’d imagine, the first question that coach Mike McCarthy faced at his press conference had to do with the results of that examination. The answer left things as pretty much status quo at quarterback in Green Bay.

“Aaron Rodgers has not been cleared from medical staff. He will practice in a limited fashion tomorrow, not ruled out for game yet,” McCarthy said.

McCarthy did add that any conversations about shutting Rodgers down for the season came from outside the organization and that Rodgers will play as soon as he’s healthy enough to play.

The signs aren’t good that this will be the week that happens, though. Matt Flynn’s going to be taking the starter’s reps at practice on Wednesday as the team starts preparing to face the Falcons while Rodgers watches and waits for the green light that may not come in time to save the Packers’ season.
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Post by: navigator on December 04, 2013, 03:58:36 pm
Just had a thought, I could see Matt Schaub going to the Vikes in the offseason.
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Post by: dallasbear on December 04, 2013, 04:02:28 pm

Not much of an upgrade there but they figure to draft in the top 10 and might go after a QB too.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 05, 2013, 09:00:01 pm

 Whos up for top QB's in the 2014 draft ? Update us.
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Post by: packrat on December 06, 2013, 04:16:10 pm
Mike McCarthy rules Aaron Rodgers out for Sunday

Green Bay Packers Head Coach Mike McCarthy met with reporters at the Lambeau Field Media Auditorium following Friday's practice. McCarthy talked about quarterback Aaron Rodgers, injuries to center Evan Dietrich-Smith, and the team's sense of urgency in practice following the loss to Detroit.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 06, 2013, 06:00:13 pm
Teddy Bridgewater of Louisville is top QB in my opinion
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on December 06, 2013, 06:01:18 pm
He is a stud.

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Post by: AZSteve on December 06, 2013, 07:22:40 pm
Bridgewater looks very promising Hiber...good call
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 06, 2013, 10:37:51 pm

 The answer to the dallas cowboys :

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnOfEfX1EVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnOfEfX1EVE)

 Lets take these motherfuuckers down.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 07, 2013, 04:31:22 am

 Of course on the other hand  ... CHICAGO BEARS could apply a more sophisticated move ...


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnZ0Y4rvz6E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnZ0Y4rvz6E)
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Post by: AZSteve on December 08, 2013, 03:19:58 pm
Friggin Lions lose in Philly 34-20, sweet
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Post by: WshflThinking on December 08, 2013, 03:27:39 pm
We should get beat like a drum too
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Post by: guest77 on December 08, 2013, 04:01:56 pm
Vikes lose in crazy ending...5 TD's in the last 2:09 of the game...amazing.  NE gets a gift PI call to enable the win.  I think it was same ref that called such a crappy game for Da Bearsss a couple weeks ago.  Pack wins also ... Friggin' Packers  ;D
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Post by: guest77 on December 08, 2013, 04:47:56 pm
And Tom Dempsey's 63-yard FG record just falls...first set on November 8, 1970.  64 yards, Matt Prater, in Denver.  Wow.  Should it have an asterisk due to being in Denver?  I think not.  Discuss.
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Post by: packrat on December 08, 2013, 07:20:11 pm
Vikes lose in crazy ending...5 TD's in the last 2:09 of the game...amazing.  NE gets a gift PI call to enable the win.  I think it was same ref that called such a crappy game for Da Bearsss a couple weeks ago.  Pack wins also ... Friggin' Packers  ;D

Glub, glub. Still alive.
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Post by: Sportster on December 08, 2013, 09:13:56 pm
It'll end up being a three way tie for the division, lol....no one wants it, or at least is playing like they really want it...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 08, 2013, 11:25:40 pm
It'll end up being a three way tie for the division, lol....no one wants it, or at least is playing like they really want it...

 Sporty I'm sure all of them want it but lets be real they arent any of them facing off against punks.

 It should and will come down to the wire. The good ol' Black and Blue !
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Post by: Keysbear on December 09, 2013, 05:55:19 pm
Won't this be a fun Super Bowl?

http://www.yardbarker.com/all_sports/articles/msn/tailgating_will_not_be_allowed_at_the_super_bowl/15268961

On Monday, Super Bowl CEO Al Kelly announced that there will be no grilling and lounging in parking lots for the hours leading up to the game.

“You will be allowed to have food in your car and have drink in your car,” Kelly said, per ESPNNewYork.com. “And provided you’re in the boundaries of a single parking space, you’ll be able to eat or drink right next to your car. However, you’re not going to be able to take out a lounge chair, you’re not going to be able to take out a grill, and you’re not going to be able to take up more than one parking space. And it’ll all be watched very carefully.”

In other words, feel free to stand next to your car in 20-degree weather and eat a Lunchables.


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Post by: Sportster on December 09, 2013, 06:30:53 pm
How ridiculous is that? They need to follow the example of Indianapolis, who most agree was a very well run Super Bowl.
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Post by: 46 on December 09, 2013, 06:49:51 pm
I hope it comes off well, I honestly do, but it has all the earmarks of a disaster.  Weather, NY/NJ area, NY/NJ crowd, everthing crammed in tight, open area of "soft" targets....yeachhh.
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Post by: packrat on December 09, 2013, 07:20:14 pm
A big blizzard would be fitting justice for the head NFL idiots.
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Post by: WshflThinking on December 10, 2013, 12:05:00 am
Sounds like Bloomberg is at it again. Just more communism
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 10, 2013, 12:20:55 am

 If we win one lose one win one ... where does that put us ?
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Post by: Sportster on December 10, 2013, 12:58:55 am
Watching from home on playoff weekend...is where....
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 10, 2013, 02:09:21 am
Watching from home on playoff weekend...is where....

 Stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 10, 2013, 03:01:20 am
We're in a must-win situation. EVERY game matters hereout. It's great what they did tonight, but it does not matter one bit if we come out and blow it against Cleveland. They've put themselves in a corner and now have to fight to get out of it....three more games.....each matter immensely and even then, we need help.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 10, 2013, 05:55:19 am
I don't think the Lions have any gimmees either.  I wish that Baltimore game was on the road, but it is the schedule.  Minnesota losing Peterson sucks this late in the season.  That and the Lions get 3 games in a dome to end their season.  And don't sleep on the Packers.

It could come down to Bears vs Packers for the division in week 17...
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Post by: navigator on December 10, 2013, 07:40:17 am
we're already in the playoffs, we have to win out.
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Post by: WshflThinking on December 10, 2013, 08:21:27 am
It could come down to Bears vs Packers for the division in week 17...

That's entirely possible. We could face the Pack, outdoors, against Rodgers with the division at stake. They were talking last night Rodgers might be back against Dallas on Sunday and the impact on poor Dallas.

Also the Eagles have a lot to play for. 

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Post by: dallasbear on December 10, 2013, 10:22:11 am

I don't know that AP's foot injury is that serious.  Hopefully he'll be ready to go when the Lions visit the Vikings in a couple weeks.  If Cassell starts the Vikings may have a chance.

As for the Packers, if Rodgers starts this weekend they could beat the Cowboys, if Flynn starts then I have to go with Dallas.
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Post by: navigator on December 10, 2013, 11:10:27 am
watch, it will come down to the week 17 game.
We'll be ahead one game in the standings against Det.
They will win their last game and Rodgers will beat us so that Det gets in because we have the same record.
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Post by: Sportster on December 10, 2013, 05:21:04 pm
Hopefully with us throttling Dallas, they'll be fired up to face the Quack and give em a beat down.....go from rooting against to rooting for them.....GO DALLAS....I guess...
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Post by: navigator on December 10, 2013, 08:07:40 pm
yeah, I hope Romo throws for 5TDs every game the rest of the regular season.
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Post by: dallasbear on December 11, 2013, 10:59:23 am

The Packers barely beat the 3 or 4 win Falcons team, a dome team, at home.  I don't make predictions but if Rodgers is again out Sunday the Cowboys should be able to outscore them.

Plus the Packers have a pretty bad record at Dallas over the years.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 11, 2013, 06:29:31 pm

 Lets take care of our own business with Clevland, fuuck what other teams in the NFC NORF do.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 11, 2013, 07:06:33 pm

 Josh Gorden is an incredible terror ... Cooper is another one.

Should we give credibility to Browns RB's ?

Willis McGahee ... Fozzy Whittaker ... The FB ... Chris Ogbonnaya ?

LT Joe Thomas must be a concern for getting to ... JASON CAMPBELL ??

That name is a familiar ring to a bell somewheres.

lets review whats next ... Jorden Cameron ... Davon Bess ...

If we manage to **** this one up we deserve to be home for the playoffs.

In a rebuilding year.

Thats not going to happen ... look at the odds.

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Post by: Sportster on December 11, 2013, 07:20:32 pm
Can't ignore what other clubs do.....right now, they hold the keys to our playoffs IF we 'take care of business'. We win out and yet the Loins win, too, we're done.....only road to the postseason goes through them.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 11, 2013, 07:55:21 pm
Can't ignore what other clubs do.....right now, they hold the keys to our playoffs IF we 'take care of business'. We win out and yet the Loins win, too, we're done.....only road to the postseason goes through them.

 The shiit could happen ... Ive seen stranger seasons.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 11, 2013, 09:23:11 pm

 Ok on the road at Clevland ... time to step it up ...

 can someone mention which RB's ... WR's ... and TE's we have starting?

 BTW ... JJ gets the joke already ... so we dont have a defense.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 12, 2013, 12:10:01 am

 But imagine if we DID have a non fuucked up DEFENSE ...with our OFFENSE ...

 fuucking imagine that !  ;D

 With the players thst are on the team right now ... inmagine that.

 Do you know why the DALLAS COWBOYS ... NEW YORK GIANTS ...

 & GREEN BAY PACKERS are off the map right now ?

 Injurys. Does that sound like somthing you heard before ?

 Concerning us ? Lets see what the fuuck we have left.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 12, 2013, 01:40:30 am

 Lets just play who the fuuck we got and see what happens ... Im tired of this fuucking shiit .

 Either fuucking do it or get the fuuck out.
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Post by: wmljohn on December 12, 2013, 08:29:41 am
There are a lot of people in DC calling for Lovie to be their HC next year.  Shanny aint even gone yet...
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Post by: guest77 on December 12, 2013, 11:58:27 am
Lovie in DC....
 
"Goal number 1 is to beat the Dallas Cowboys"
 
"Rex is our kwaterback...that's right, RGI."
 
"It looked a lot worse than it was"
 
"I've always liked him.  He'll be a good player someday"
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Post by: Sportster on December 12, 2013, 02:34:17 pm
That whole RGIII deal going on now...what a mess. Benched and now put on IR. Wow......
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on December 12, 2013, 09:29:12 pm
WTF? Denver down 14, at home to San Deigo?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on December 12, 2013, 09:30:20 pm
Chargers are handling the Broncos 24-10 late 3rd qtr.Peyton scuffling....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 13, 2013, 01:27:51 am
Pretty surprised as well that Denver lost at home, against the Bolts. Guess they wanted it more. Manning wasn't making great decisions. Had a bad game and took too long to make decisions....
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Post by: packrat on December 13, 2013, 02:40:05 pm
Rex is an incompetent HC,
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Post by: packrat on December 17, 2013, 10:59:04 pm
NFC NORTH W L T PCT HOME ROAD DIV CONF PF PA DIFF STRK
Chicago      8 6 0         .571 5-2-0 3-4-0 2-3-0 4-6-0 406 391 +15 Won 2
Green Bay  7 6 1     .536 4-2-1 3-4-0 2-2-1 5-5-1 353 362 -9 Won 2
Detroit       7 7 0          .5004-3-0 3-4-0 4-1-0 6-4-0 362 339 +23 Lost 2
Minnesota  4 9 1


If Chicago wins out they are division champs

If GB wins out they are division champs

Detroit is outside, looking in
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Post by: navigator on December 18, 2013, 01:28:50 pm
it is weird that 10-6 last year was a let down but 10-6 this year would feel like an accomplishment.
An upgrade at defensive lineman and a safety would have likely gotten us 3 more wins.
Then again there were a couple of games that if Jay hadn't played like Rex Grossman we would have a few more wins as well.
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Post by: dallasbear on December 18, 2013, 01:45:53 pm

Jay did not play well in both Detroit games.  The first Detroit game was probably his worst yet the offense put up 32 points.

The 2nd game when Cutler injured his ankle he had the crucial pick in the endzone when Suh stepped back and batted the ball.
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Post by: boogie on December 18, 2013, 02:19:51 pm
Jay should have been pulled at halftime of the second DTW game.  Or soon after it started.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 18, 2013, 11:01:00 pm
An analysis of the 3-4 scheme versus 4-3 for the Packers .  This could also apply to the Bears' system.:

Tundra Vision: The Phillips Brand of 3-4 Could Be Recipe For Success

The rumor going around is that BJ Raji, the massive former first-round defensive lineman, declined an $8M-a-year offer from the Packers to stick around. From that point on, a suddenly-critical fan base began focusing on Raji and put him under the “Are You Really Worth $8M-a-year And Oh By The Way Screw You For Turning Down An Offer With The Packers” eyeball test.

The results were overwhelming. He sacked the quarterback, stripped the ball, picked it up, and ran it in for a touchdown on 0% of the snaps he played; therefore, he’s a waste of space and we should let him go.

Not that there’s any rampant emotion going around or anything.

But, let’s take a more serious look at Raji’s impact in the 3-4. There has to be a reason a shrewd general manager like Ted Thompson would make such a sizable offer to Raji, especially if he’s as completely useless and invisible as many fans would like to believe. And a lot of it has to do with the scheme the Packers run.

As further criticism has rained down on the defense this season, there’s been calls for an entire schematic shift. I, myself, made a call to return to the 4-3 a few weeks ago. But in the end, Both a 4-3 and a 3-4 do pretty much the same thing: it puts seven guys up front to fill all the possible gaps on the offense. But the traditional 3-4 ends up being the most passive in the area that the Packers have had the most trouble: the middle of the field.

In Capers’ (and most traditional) 3-4 schemes, players in the middle of the field have the responsibility of eating up blockers in order to open up opportunities for the players on the outside. Ray Lewis, a middle linebacker, vocally expressed his displeasure with the Raven’s switch to the 3-4 multiple times, because it took him out of his normal role as a playmaker and put him in a more passive role of a blocker-eater.

His stats also took a major hit. More importantly, he made less of an impact in the backfield. The Packer who has taken on that role has suffered similar charges: AJ Hawk has been the guy doing the thankless job in the middle of the field. His job in the 3-4 is to eat up blockers.

In the traditional 3-4, it is also the job of the nose tackle to read the center’s block, control him, and play off him to the ball. This is where the term “two gap” comes from, and why we call Caper’s scheme a “two-gap” 3-4 defense.

In reality, a 4-3 wouldn’t change all that much for a player like Raji, especially if it continues to be a “read-and-react” defense. My guess is if Raji is hoping for greener pastures elsewhere, he’s probably looking for a 3-4 defense in the Wade Phillips style down in Houston, where he would be allowed to do more attacking than reading.

In the end, perhaps that’s not a bad idea overall for this defense for next season. The idea of converting back to a 4-3 comes with the concerns that we’ve already “built” this defense to fit within the scheme, and (like the failed attempt at a zone blocking scheme) would require a near-complete overhaul of personnel to make it happen.

But Phillips’ version of the 3-4 is as much a change in attitude as it is a change in schematica. Phillips doesn’t run it as a reading scheme. He runs it as an attacking scheme. All of the down players have a specific assignment and violently attack it with speed and power.

In other words, the players spend less time thinking and reacting, and more time just playing football. Sounds intriguing for any kid who grew up playing football and wound up in the NFL having to go through mental checklists on every play. And I think you can easily make the case that reading-and-reacting has, over time, made the Packers’ defensive more passive, maybe even more unsure of itself without the impact of a smart free safety to keep everyone in line in front of him.

In a Phillips-style 3-4, Raji isn’t going to be asked to control and dominate the center, allowing others to have opportunities to make plays. He’s going to have his gap assigned that he needs to fill with his strength, speed, and agility. He’s going to jump off the ball and attack. And we all know that for a big man, BJ Raji is blessed with some amazing athletic talent.

It also stands to reason that the Packers defense is looking at some major turnover this offseason. If the Packers were to re-sign Raji at the contract he previously turned down, it closes the door on some of the other free agents the Packers might be interested in re-signing. Ryan Pickett is almost a foregone conclusion to leave an open starting spot along the defensive line, and players like Sam Shields, CJ Wilson, Johnny Jolly, and Mike Neal will all be considering other offers, particularly after a season in which their defensive unit was much-maligned. If you’re the “worst defense ever”, why stick around?

It offers an opportunity for the Packers to enact such a change in philosophy, as well as an opportunity to bring in the talent that will compliment the scheme. If the Packers were to switch to a Phillips 3-4, let’s take a look at who would fit the scheme.



Outside linebackers – In the Phillips 3-4, the WOLB will have the sexier role, playing not unlike a 4-3 DE, usually rushing from the edge. The SOLB would have the more difficult (yet important) job of reading the play based on the coverage, usually playing the TE but sometimes backing up into coverage on the flats. It would be nice to have Clay Matthews in the sexy WOLB spot, but that means we would need to find a smart, savvy, dynamic guy to play on the strong side. Since I have a hard time seeing Brad Jones on this team next season, the Packers may look to continue to develop Mike Neal into that position, though the thought of him covering a tight end scares me. Wouldn’t Nick Perry living up to expectations be a great addition here?

Inside linebackers – Both will have gaps to crash on run plays, but will have varying assignments on pass plays. I think that this would be one of the most important transformations of the defense. The ILBs need to become more aggressive, with less to think about and more to hit and intimidate. Unlike most, I’ve long been in AJ Hawk’s corner. For the exact reasons I mentioned earlier, think his lack of impact isn’t because of a lack of talent, but because of scheme assignments that are supposed to enable others to make plays. There’s a part of me that wonders how Hawk would fare in that outside position opposite Matthews, but I realize if it would have worked, the Packers would have likely tried it by now. There’s nothing I would love more than seeing Hawk on the downside of his career getting an opportunity to make plays and prove to everyone that he just needed those opportunities. The Packers have a lot of projects to put next to Hawk, including Jamari Lattimore, Robert Francois, and Andy Mulumba. However, it might interesting to upgrade  the SOLB spot in the draft or FA and see if a revitalized Nick Perry could move inside.

WDE – This player is going to play a charging 3 technique (outside the guard). I could see Johnny Jolly taking this position and dominating it. He’s really brought any spark this defense has had this year, and should be rewarded with the starting spot vacated by Pickett.

NT – Instead of eating up blockers, the Phillips NT charges, usually shading the strong side or playing a tight 1 technique. Look for BJ Raji to stay and take off in this role.

SDE – This player plays a charging 5 technique. Again, simply the change in attitude will upgrade this position. Obviously, you’d pencil in Datone Jones in this position, but with his rookie struggles, you might be better off having Mike Daniels hold the spot for now until Jones matures into the position.

The Packers have players to fill each position, and quite frankly, won’t be able to address additions to the front seven this offseason though free agency (salary cap) or the draft (higher priority needs in the secondary, tight end, and offensive line).  As I’ve mentioned in my Kitchen Analogy, a defensive coordinator might have to take the same ingredients and use a different recipe to make it work.

Changing over to a Wade Phillips-style of 3-4, replete with a change in attitude from passive reacting to aggressive attacking might just be the recipe for success this defense needs.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 19, 2013, 12:28:58 am

 Packy it could still come down to G.B. and us.
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Post by: packrat on December 19, 2013, 03:36:23 pm
 Yep.  Beautiful, ain't it.
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Post by: packrat on December 19, 2013, 03:36:59 pm
Best and worst commentators?

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/66008790/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Fearless Freep on December 19, 2013, 11:41:08 pm
So effin' fed up with Aikman ... his antipathy to GB along with the noted gaffes makes him doubly insufferable. Would have loved to be the fly-on-the-wall in the booth last Sunday afternoon though; must have puked at least twice in the 4th quarter.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 21, 2013, 02:42:00 am

 Some deciding games coming up. After the aftermath ... who stands where ?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 21, 2013, 05:41:44 am

 CHICAGO BEARS @ PHILADELPHIA EAGLES ... lets take it with us.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_ONyukSLqA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_ONyukSLqA)
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 24, 2013, 07:34:08 pm

 Cowboys sign Kitna to back Orton if Romo doesnt start.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 28, 2013, 06:16:43 am

 Could THE CHICAGO BEARS beat THE GREEN BAY PACKERS 8-6 ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 29, 2013, 07:59:26 pm

 OK ... whats the draft order ? Where do we draft 8-8 ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 29, 2013, 08:30:42 pm
too soon....much too soon....give it time.....still boiling over a bit....
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Post by: guest77 on December 29, 2013, 08:55:46 pm
Heard we draft at 14 on another board.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 29, 2013, 09:02:40 pm
Heard we draft at 14 on another board.

 Where does Emery and Trestman go with a 14th pick ?

 Stud DT or DE ? This time not McClellin.
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Post by: Keysbear on December 29, 2013, 09:07:39 pm
depends on who we can get in FA
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 29, 2013, 09:28:17 pm
depends on who we can get in FA

 True dat. And look at what we got in FA when it came to offense.

 If we could duplicate that for defense ...  ;D
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 31, 2013, 10:21:20 pm
 Well its Frisco at G.B., theres just enough with Rodgers and Cobb back to beat Frisco.

 Although I dont think a ball laying on the ground will be picked up and ran in.

 HAPPY NEW YEAR !!
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Post by: packrat on December 31, 2013, 11:09:20 pm
LOL.  Easiest TD Boykin will ever get.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 01, 2014, 05:15:57 am
LOL.  Easiest TD Boykin will ever get.

 Or anybody else for that matter. Lets review :

 Some final regular season numbers,

 Broncos 76 TD

 Cinncy 54 TD

 Philly 53 TD

 BEARS 52 TD

 Chiefs 52 TD ... thats the top 5.

 Vikings gave up 480 points,worst in the League.

 Two teams gave up 478 points, one of which was in the NFC North.

 Theres no need to name a name. But it should make Halas Hall stand up and notice.  ;D
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Post by: boogie on January 03, 2014, 10:32:45 pm
Didn't see this coming:

It’s been an interesting few days for Leslie Frazier.

He was fired as the head coach of the Vikings on Monday, called a coward by former Vikings punter Chris Kluwe on Thursday and ended the week by getting a new job. Josina Anderson of ESPN reports that Frazier told her that he is “headed to Tampa” to be the new defensive coordinator for the Buccaneers.

Frazier was mentioned as a possibility for the coordinator position shortly after Smith was reported as Tampa’s choice to replace Greg Schiano. Cowboys defensive line coach Rod Marinelli, who worked with Smith in Chicago, was also mentioned in relation to the job, but there was some question as to whether the Cowboys would approve a move to Tampa.

That appears to be a moot point now. Frazier worked as an assistant under Tony Dungy in Indianapolis, so there’s plenty of familiarity with the Cover 2 scheme that Smith, who worked for Dungy in Tampa, prefers to run.

He joins offensive coordinator Jeff Tedford as members of Smith’s first staff as the head coach in Tampa.
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Post by: AZSteve on January 04, 2014, 10:22:39 pm
Saints 26 Eagles 24...Saints vs Seattle next...
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Post by: Pekin on January 05, 2014, 03:37:22 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/05/lovies-final-say-could-make-it-harder-to-get-a-g-m/

I am not sure that is a good idea. 
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Post by: guest77 on January 05, 2014, 05:31:09 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/05/lovies-final-say-could-make-it-harder-to-get-a-g-m/

I am not sure that is a good idea. 

ROTFLMAO...Wow, that's a train wreck in the making!
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Post by: packrat on January 05, 2014, 08:11:02 pm
Agree.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 05, 2014, 10:36:51 pm
Or anybody else for that matter. Lets review :

 Some final regular season numbers,

 Broncos 76 TD

 Cinncy 54 TD

 Philly 53 TD

 BEARS 52 TD

 Chiefs 52 TD ... thats the top 5.

 Vikings gave up 480 points,worst in the League.

 Two teams gave up 478 points, one of which was in the NFC North.

 Theres no need to name a name. But it should make Halas Hall stand up and notice.  ;D

 Out of the top five in scoring TD's ... 4 of them are GONE.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 05, 2014, 11:00:57 pm

 Defensive Line ... Secondary ... 2 of each ... GIMME TWO! 4?
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Post by: Dave23 on January 06, 2014, 09:11:50 am
So Peyton Manning had more passing TDs than any other team had total TDs?

Wow...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 10, 2014, 01:44:22 am
So Peyton Manning had more passing TDs than any other team had total TDs?

Wow...

 Really. Does our ruptured duck defense want to go up against that ?

 2014? If everything works out right ... well duke it with Denver.
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Post by: Sportster on January 10, 2014, 10:30:07 am
Going to probably be a Broncos-Hawks SB. I wouldn't cry if it was a Colts-Hawks or Colts-9ers though.....can't see Painters or Bolts or Ain'ts in it....but can never count out that dang Brady led Patsies...those suckers just won't go away....
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 11, 2014, 03:23:05 am
Going to probably be a Broncos-Hawks SB. I wouldn't cry if it was a Colts-Hawks or Colts-9ers though.....can't see Painters or Bolts or Ain'ts in it....but can never count out that dang Brady led Patsies...those suckers just won't go away....

 Yep N.E. always hangs to the end.
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Post by: Pekin on January 11, 2014, 01:41:05 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/11/gilbride-says-seahawks-have-perfected-the-art-of-pass-interference/

Packers DB's do the same thing.  As do their O-line.
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Post by: packrat on January 11, 2014, 02:30:55 pm
LOL.
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Post by: packrat on January 11, 2014, 02:38:19 pm
Could the Packers lose yet another member of their front office to a General Manager job elsewhere?


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In the past few off-seasons, the Green Bay Packers' front office has been raided repeatedly. Since 2010, three members of the organization have been hired away by other teams as their General Managers. It started in 2010 when John Schneider took the GM job with the Seattle Seahawks. Then, Reggie McKenzie was hired by the Raiders as their GM and John Dorsey went to the Kansas City Chiefs in 2013 for the same job.

Now there are rumblings that yet another Packer official is under consideration for a GM job. This time, it's Senior Personnel Executive Alonzo Highsmith, who is expected to interview with the Miami Dolphins for the job just vacated by the fired Jeff Ireland...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 12, 2014, 01:19:09 am
 THE NFL IS NOW A PASSING GAME ! Tell that to N.E., old fashioned slobberknocker football with Indy.

 6 rushing TD's and ZERO passing TD's. Im impressed.  :D

 BTW ... before Frisco plays Caro ... theres no way in hell I could say which team is best with whos left and that includes Seattle.

 3 teams running on all cylinders ... although Wilson (Seattle) is starting to worry me ...
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Post by: Sportster on January 13, 2014, 05:29:57 pm
I do NOT want to see the fricking Patsies in it again! Very tired of seeing those suckers always there. Hope they get the crap beat out of them by Manning and the Broncs. On the other side, it's Seattle. They're just way too tough at home and have beaten SF senseless a couple times already. So my prediction holds....Broncs vs Birdies.....
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Post by: yapper on January 13, 2014, 06:14:12 pm
If I had to pick my preferred Superbowl matchup it would be Broncos vs Seahawks.

Not a real fan of either team but it would be a great offense v. defense matchup and also kinda fun considering the teams used to be division rivals way back when.

Agreed with others who are tired of the Patriots and don't want them back there again.
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Post by: navigator on January 14, 2014, 07:04:35 am
I'd rather see the Bears vs Raiders ;-)
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Post by: BearHit on January 14, 2014, 07:27:17 am
Or DITKA vs the Giants
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 14, 2014, 07:32:25 am
Or DITKA versus the entire NFL!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 14, 2014, 11:36:11 am
Are we talking a full sized Ditka or mini-Ditka?  What scores you got?
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Post by: packrat on January 14, 2014, 04:16:55 pm

 Posted by Mike Spofford on  January 14, 2014 – 12:25 pm 

Packers RB Eddie Lacy has been voted by the Pro Football Writers of America as their Rookie of the Year for 2013.

Lacy finished the regular season 1,178 rushing yards and 11 TDs, leading all NFL rookies and setting Packers franchise rookie records. Lacy was named the NFL’s Offensive Rookie of the Month for October and was the league’s Offensive Player of the Week after rushing for 141 yards at Dallas in Week 15. He had four 100-yard rushing games, tied for the most among NFL rookies and tied for fifth among all players. His 11 rushing TDs were third overall in the league.

Lacy joins teammate Josh Sitton in earning honors this year from the PFWA. Sitton was named to the organization’s All-NFC team.

2013 PFWA ROOKIE OF THE YEAR: RB Eddie Lacy, Green Bay Packers

2013 PFWA OFFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR: WR Keenan Allen, San Diego Chargers

2013 PFWA DEFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR: LB Kiko Alonso, Buffalo Bills

2013 PFWA ALL-ROOKIE TEAM

Offense
 QB – Mike Glennon, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
 RB – Giovani Bernard, Cincinnati Bengals; Eddie Lacy, Green Bay Packers
 WR – Keenan Allen, San Diego Chargers; DeAndre Hopkins, Houston Texans
 TE – Jordan Reed, Washington Redskins
 C – Travis Frederick, Dallas Cowboys
 G – Kyle Long, Chicago Bears; Larry Warford, Detroit Lions
 T – D.J. Fluker, San Diego Chargers; Justin Pugh, New York Giants

Defense
DL – Ziggy Ansah, Detroit Lions; Star Lotulelei, Carolina Panthers; Sheldon Richardson, New York Jets; Kawann Short, Carolina Panthers
 LB – Kiko Alonso, Buffalo Bills; Sio Moore, Oakland Raiders; Alec Ogletree, St. Louis Rams
 CB – Tyrann Mathieu, Arizona Cardinals; Desmond Trufant, Atlanta Falcons
 S – Eric Reid, San Francisco 49ers; Kenny Vaccaro, New Orleans Saints

Special Teams
PK – Caleb Sturgis, Miami Dolphins
 P – Sam Martin, Detroit Lions
 KR – Cordarrelle Patterson, Minnesota Vikings
 PR – Tavon Austin, St. Louis Rams
 ST – Don Jones, Miami Dolphins
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2014, 07:53:48 pm
Giants hire Ben McAdoo as offensive coordinator
Packers' coaching staff takes another hit:

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 14, 2014, 6:48 PM EST

One of the hottest names in NFL coaching circles has found his new home: The Giants have hired Ben McAdoo as their new offensive coordinator.

McAdoo, who has been an assistant with the Packers since 2006, agreed to become the Giants’ offensive coordinator today. Alex Marvez of FOX Sports first reported the news, which has since been announced by the Giants.

The Dolphins were also interested in McAdoo as their offensive coordinator, and he had been mentioned as a head-coaching candidate in Cleveland as well.

The 36-year-old McAdoo is a protege of Packers coach Mike McCarthy, working as a quality control assistant under McCarthy in San Francisco in 2005, when McCarthy was the 49ers’ offensive coordinator, and then following McCarthy to Green Bay when McCarthy became the Packers’ head coach in 2006. McAdoo was the Packers’ tight ends coach from 2006 to 2011, and has been the Packers’ quarterbacks coach the last two years.

Now McAdoo takes on the task of turning around a Giants offense that struggled mightily in 2013.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 14, 2014, 08:14:35 pm
And still another one?  WTF?

Could the Packers lose two position coaches to coordinator jobs this off-season? It's looking like that is a distinct possibility with Winston Moss being mentioned as a candidate to leave Green Bay.

The Packers have been losing members of their front office and personnel department frequently over the past few years, as three executives have earned General Manager jobs. They also lost offensive coordinator Joe Philbin two years ago, as he took the head coaching job in Miami.

This off-season, quarterbacks coach Ben McAdoo was the first position coach to interview fora job elsewhere, as he talked to the Browns about their head coaching vacancy and the Giants about their offensive coordinator job. Now it appears that inside linebackers coach and Assistant Head Coach Winston Moss is under consideration for the defensive coordinator job with the Tennessee Titans, who just brought Ken Whisenhunt aboard as their head coach.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 15, 2014, 06:55:28 pm
Posted by Mike Spofford on  January 14, 2014 – 12:25 pm 

Packers RB Eddie Lacy has been voted by the Pro Football Writers of America as their Rookie of the Year for 2013.

Lacy finished the regular season 1,178 rushing yards and 11 TDs, leading all NFL rookies and setting Packers franchise rookie records. Lacy was named the NFL’s Offensive Rookie of the Month for October and was the league’s Offensive Player of the Week after rushing for 141 yards at Dallas in Week 15. He had four 100-yard rushing games, tied for the most among NFL rookies and tied for fifth among all players. His 11 rushing TDs were third overall in the league.

Lacy joins teammate Josh Sitton in earning honors this year from the PFWA. Sitton was named to the organization’s All-NFC team.

2013 PFWA ROOKIE OF THE YEAR: RB Eddie Lacy, Green Bay Packers

2013 PFWA OFFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR: WR Keenan Allen, San Diego Chargers

2013 PFWA DEFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR: LB Kiko Alonso, Buffalo Bills

2013 PFWA ALL-ROOKIE TEAM

Offense
 QB – Mike Glennon, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
 RB – Giovani Bernard, Cincinnati Bengals; Eddie Lacy, Green Bay Packers
 WR – Keenan Allen, San Diego Chargers; DeAndre Hopkins, Houston Texans
 TE – Jordan Reed, Washington Redskins
 C – Travis Frederick, Dallas Cowboys
 G – Kyle Long, Chicago Bears; Larry Warford, Detroit Lions
 T – D.J. Fluker, San Diego Chargers; Justin Pugh, New York Giants

Defense
DL – Ziggy Ansah, Detroit Lions; Star Lotulelei, Carolina Panthers; Sheldon Richardson, New York Jets; Kawann Short, Carolina Panthers
 LB – Kiko Alonso, Buffalo Bills; Sio Moore, Oakland Raiders; Alec Ogletree, St. Louis Rams
 CB – Tyrann Mathieu, Arizona Cardinals; Desmond Trufant, Atlanta Falcons
 S – Eric Reid, San Francisco 49ers; Kenny Vaccaro, New Orleans Saints

Special Teams
PK – Caleb Sturgis, Miami Dolphins
 P – Sam Martin, Detroit Lions
 KR – Cordarrelle Patterson, Minnesota Vikings
 PR – Tavon Austin, St. Louis Rams
 ST – Don Jones, Miami Dolphins


 Hey Packy,

 Fuuck that ****. Its a new year sweetheart. Ahem ...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 17, 2014, 08:41:35 pm
You didn't like the PFWA choices, jj?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 17, 2014, 08:42:02 pm
Mike from Tucson, AZ

I looked at the cap number Alex Smith had with the 49ers when he first signed through 2012; it was significant. Yet, at least three of the defensive stars the 49ers have were acquired via free agency during this time. Just saying, it can be done; not to make an effort in free agency seems like not using all tools available.

Vic
Did you look at the rest of the 49ers’ cap during that period? During the consecutive 4-12, 7-9, 5-11, 7-9, 8-8, 6-10 years the 49ers were assembling the team that is now playing in the NFC title game for the third consecutive year, they had cap room. These players didn’t all come at one time. Now, they’re on the verge of not having cap room, and the whistle will soon begin to blow. Dashon Goldson is one of their first losses. You can’t outrun the cap. It’s gonna catch you. All you can do is get off the tracks.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 18, 2014, 09:24:47 pm
Mike from Tucson, AZ

I looked at the cap number Alex Smith had with the 49ers when he first signed through 2012; it was significant. Yet, at least three of the defensive stars the 49ers have were acquired via free agency during this time. Just saying, it can be done; not to make an effort in free agency seems like not using all tools available.

Vic
Did you look at the rest of the 49ers’ cap during that period? During the consecutive 4-12, 7-9, 5-11, 7-9, 8-8, 6-10 years the 49ers were assembling the team that is now playing in the NFC title game for the third consecutive year, they had cap room. These players didn’t all come at one time. Now, they’re on the verge of not having cap room, and the whistle will soon begin to blow. Dashon Goldson is one of their first losses. You can’t outrun the cap. It’s gonna catch you. All you can do is get off the tracks.


 Hey Packy fuuck that shiit about the past.

 My goal is to beat you into submission about the future.

 What are freinds for ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 19, 2014, 06:17:45 am
Interesting developing story about Darren Sharper being accused of **** in California.  Wow... 
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2014, 03:08:59 pm
I think if you even look at a woman in Cali crosseyed  thats **** out there. Even a wolf whistle is considered sexual harassment. Just crazy man.
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Post by: Sportster on January 19, 2014, 07:11:59 pm
Man, Seattle is ridiculously loud! This entire game there's nothing but this loud drone all through the game. It's extremely annoying just watching on TV. Can't imagine being there. And at halftime, they guys are HAVING TO TALK REALLY LOUDLY TO GET THEIR POINTS ACROSS, lol.
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Post by: 46 on January 19, 2014, 07:31:18 pm
got the sound off. not missing a thing.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 19, 2014, 07:51:08 pm
The only problem with the sound is Buck and Aikman
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Post by: 46 on January 19, 2014, 07:59:23 pm
i really don't care for the team, but the 9er's a getting 'holed on the calls. that was a 15 yd penalty.
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Post by: Pekin on January 19, 2014, 08:24:43 pm
The Seahawks are getting the calls as if they are wearing Packer uniforms.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 19, 2014, 08:53:49 pm
Count me on the broncos sideline.  Dick Sherman is an ass and I hope he gets what he deserves!
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Post by: Sportster on January 19, 2014, 08:58:03 pm
My prediction held....Seachickens vs Horses. And yea, F Sherman. He's a doush. Hope Manning lights him up like a Christmas tree.....
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Post by: Keysbear on January 19, 2014, 09:10:11 pm
Good day...Blackhawks win and both the Pats and 49ers go down....sweet
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Post by: Sportster on January 19, 2014, 09:15:22 pm
Seachickens QB sounds like a nice kid. Should be a real good Super Bowl with two solid teams. Think Broncos will come out on top. Manning is just too good....but he'll be facing a real good secondary, too.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 19, 2014, 09:17:21 pm
I thought I hated the Lions.  I was wrong.  I hate the Seahawks no matter how classy Russell Wilson is.  I loathe Richard Sherman.  Can you imagine a Packer or Bear acting like that?  Maybe that defines the Seahawks and Coach Carroll.

Go Broncos!!!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 19, 2014, 09:26:30 pm
No different than Harbaugh's histrionics on the sideline
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Post by: yapper on January 19, 2014, 09:57:38 pm
Too bad Bowman got his knee wrecked and not Sherman. I knew Sherman was an azzhole but that rant with Erin Andrews was just over the top.

100% pulling for the Broncos after seeing how the Chickens conducted themselves on and off the field today.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 19, 2014, 10:28:57 pm
I've said many times that I hate the "look at me" attitudes with the TD dances, strutting after a sack or even just a tackle, jumping into the stands etc. I have been told by many here that I am just an old fogy and that I want it to be the No Fun League.  Those things have been allowed for a long time and what you saw tonight was just the natural extension of those things.  Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.  What do you expect? It's only going to get worse.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 19, 2014, 10:38:04 pm

 Bowman had the ball in his hands when he wrecked his leg ... how is that Seattles ball ??

 Non reviewible ? How about honest ?
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Post by: Sportster on January 19, 2014, 10:41:47 pm
Thankfully that play didn't matter as SF got the ball anyhow, but imagine the outcry if they DID manage a score off that screwed up call?? That definately needs to be changed to be reviewable.....could have possibly made the difference in a very very important game.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 19, 2014, 11:19:12 pm
Thankfully that play didn't matter as SF got the ball anyhow, but imagine the outcry if they DID manage a score off that screwed up call?? That definately needs to be changed to be reviewable.....could have possibly made the difference in a very very important game.

 The talking heads said that that kind of play is being put into the books to be reviewed next year.
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Post by: packrat on January 20, 2014, 08:11:05 pm
If Micah Hyde holds on to the interception with minutes left in the game the Pack beats the 49ers.  The Seahawks' CB holds on to the interception and SF loses to Seattle.  GB, SF and Seattle about equal (with Rodgers and Randall Cobb playing).
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Post by: Dave23 on January 20, 2014, 09:09:38 pm
No.
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Post by: Pekin on January 20, 2014, 09:25:18 pm
Packers don't hold a candle to these teams and neither do the Bears.  You have to have a defense to go along with the offense.
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Post by: yapper on January 20, 2014, 09:55:35 pm
Agreed with Pekin. Those Seahawks and Niners defenses are where the Bears need to be before we can talk playoffs much less Superbowl. I think we can get there but it will take a couple of years and that's with Emery drafting his ass off and nailing some big FA signings. And even then I'm not sure Tucker has the stuff to put everything together.
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Post by: Pekin on January 20, 2014, 10:55:08 pm
So annoying that the Bears have had an awesome defense for ages but a a shitazz offense and we finally get a good offense and our defense is record breakingly bad...
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Post by: navigator on January 21, 2014, 09:58:41 am
yeah, if our D could have been as good as even last year with this years O.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 22, 2014, 08:01:57 pm

 We can get one of the top three DT's in the draft ... now some cap room may have to be made.

 Whos gone ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 24, 2014, 02:33:12 pm
Man is it getting slow around here.  Not even a mention of the pro bowl draft that took place.  I had to do a google search to find out what happened.

Alshon drafted before Marshall was a suprise....
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Post by: packrat on January 24, 2014, 07:49:56 pm

The Vikings' Mike Zimmer brings an extroverted and hard edge to coaching. / Getty Images
 

 

Written by

Pete Dougherty

The Green Bay Packers’ NFC North Division changed radically in the past couple of weeks.

Two division rivals, the Minnesota Vikings and Detroit Lions, hired new head coaches who will deploy new offensive and defensive schemes that will have the Packers’ coaching staff putting in extra hours this offseason preparing new dossiers.

More importantly, the Vikings’ Mike Zimmer and the Lions’ Jim Caldwell bring distinctly different personalities than their predecessors that are sure to change the culture of their teams.

Zimmer, the former Cincinnati Bengals defensive coordinator, is a 20-year NFL assistant who brings an extroverted and hard edge to coaching. That’s in contrast to the man he’s replacing, Leslie Frazier, whose expertise also is on defense but whose steady and often stoic demeanor was the hallmark of his tenure with the team.

Then there’s the Lions, who replaced Jim Schwartz with his opposite. Where Schwartz had a defensive background and a brash and volatile makeup, Caldwell has worked on the offensive side of the ball and has an even-keeled temperament and reputation for being one of the most decent men coaching in the league.

One NFL scout Press-Gazette Media consulted this week said if he were with the Packers, the Zimmer hire would worry him more than Caldwell.

Zimmer, 57, has a reputation around the NFL as an excellent architect and teacher of defense and for handling interpersonal relations with a direct manner. He reportedly had interviewed for five head-coaching jobs the past few seasons and might have come off as too blunt for some owners and executives when assessing their teams.

“I’ve got a chip on my shoulder,” he said at his introductory news conference with the Vikings. “I want to make sure that 31 other teams know that I’m here and I’m ready to coach this football team. I just know that I’m pretty good at my job.”

Zimmer has hired one of the league’s respected coordinators, Norv Turner, to run his offense. Turner, 61, was Cleveland’s offensive coordinator last season and has been an assistant or head coach in the NFL since 1985. However, the Vikings go into this year’s draft again looking for a quarterback after their most recent first-round pick at that position, Christian Ponder, has proven a bust in his three NFL seasons.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 24, 2014, 09:40:12 pm
Man is it getting slow around here.  Not even a mention of the pro bowl draft that took place.  I had to do a google search to find out what happened.

Alshon drafted before Marshall was a suprise....
    WML I'm waiting for the actual game to be suprised.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 27, 2014, 01:15:16 pm
I thought the Pro Bowl was actually watchable this year.  The D-Lines were obviously taking it much more seriously than the OLs... many pressures and sacks on both sides.  Could also be the lack of familiarity among players on the O-Lines hurt them more than the same on D. 

I liked the TD where Kyle Long pulled Cam Newton over the goal line.  Actually I thought Long played the best out of all the Bears in that game and it seemed like he got a lot of playing time. Interesting that most of it was at LG not RG.

Jeffery had some missed opportunities but a couple of those were actually bad throws. The deep stuff those QBs were throwing to him was coming in too flat rather than lofting it up and letting him get it.  They don't know him as well as Cutler though so that's understandable. Forte and Marshall did OK...  nothing spectacular but really not any worse than anybody else out there IMO. 

I would like to see Martellus Bennett make it next year. When he's on his game he can do anything any of those TEs out there yesterday were doing.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on January 27, 2014, 01:21:54 pm
I kept waiting for Marshall to get more balls thrown his way.  Seemed like nobody had the love for Marshall that Jay has.  Lots of turnovers in the game too.  Much better than 2 or 3 years ago when everyone was just walking thru the motions.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 27, 2014, 01:23:10 pm
Marshal had a good block on the long Murray run at the end. Looks like he blocked his guy and another one (who took a bad angle) as well

Forte was solid- had a good average per carry I think (saw 5 yards or so)....

I wonder if the Panthers O-staff would know how to use big WRs if they had them- Both Rivers and Brees (though running for their lives) underthrew and did not give the tall WRs a chance most of the game.

Pleasantly surprised by the game itself- appeared the players cared and good sportsmanship reigned. Wouldn't be surprised to see the same rules next year (IMHO I think Goodell will experiment with the extra point rules next year in the probowl).....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 27, 2014, 01:24:00 pm
Knowing what I know of Alshon, it had to be a tremendous kick to be hanging around guys like Larry Fitzgerald and Jerry Rice for a week. I hope he was picking their brains and watching them in the practices and I suspect he was.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on January 27, 2014, 01:25:13 pm
I wonder if the rain might have contributed to some of the sloppy play (turnover wise) as well.

Especially if they had nice conditions all week for practice.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 28, 2014, 07:32:30 am
If I remember correctly AJ got picked before BM in the pro=bowl draft as well. I expect that would be a boost to your ego as well.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 28, 2014, 09:56:56 pm
 
 The senior bowl ... well there is a lot of love lost about DT's in that game.
 
 Nobody, and I mean nobody is impressed with this lot.
 
 Where do we go from here ? Move on to CB ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 28, 2014, 10:01:07 pm
I think we have to re-sign Raitliff.  And look for another one in free agency.  We need at least one big fat guy to just plug up the middle on first and second down.

Best available athlete on defense in the first round of the draft.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 28, 2014, 10:18:45 pm
I think we have to re-sign Raitliff.  And look for another one in free agency.  We need at least one big fat guy to just plug up the middle on first and second down.

Best available athlete on defense in the first round of the draft.

 Well if the cream of the crop at DT is not all that good ...
 
 We have to go to secondary ... CB ... Safety.
 
 Looks like the deck has been dealt at LB for our team,do we need anymore?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 28, 2014, 10:23:07 pm
If the best LBer in the draft is sitting there and you think he will have a hof career I think you take him if the value is not there anywhere else.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 28, 2014, 10:53:21 pm
If the best LBer in the draft is sitting there and you think he will have a hof career I think you take him if the value is not there anywhere else.

 That stands to reason. Lets see that happens.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 29, 2014, 05:44:29 am
If the best LBer in the draft is sitting there and you think he will have a hof career I think you take him if the value is not there anywhere else.

It depends on what scheme we are going to run.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 29, 2014, 05:55:36 am
Does the linebacker have the last name of Butkus?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 29, 2014, 06:47:42 am
NO but he has to fit the scheme we intend to run. And the cat isn't out of the bag yet and may not be till the draft
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on January 29, 2014, 07:49:17 am
There looks to be about 5 DT's that are in the top group.

Could probably still get one in the second round or trade back in the first.

I'm worried about who is going to cover megatron and the other #1 wide receivers in the future.

We will need a corner with size and speed and will be in a position to get one this year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on January 29, 2014, 02:22:26 pm
So the Rams D were 13th in points allowed, 3rd in sacks and 15th in yards and they fired their d coordinator and hired Gregg Williams.  Would anybody be calling for Tresty's head if that happened here?  Didn't think so.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 30, 2014, 12:00:11 am
So the Rams D were 13th in points allowed, 3rd in sacks and 15th in yards and they fired their d coordinator and hired Gregg Williams.  Would anybody be calling for Tresty's head if that happened here?  Didn't think so.

 Lets hire the Rams defensive fuucking coordinator.
 
 After the Senior Bowl debacle when it comes to DT ...
 
 Should we switch gears and go safety/cornerback ?
 
 This time a real safety and not a sixth round afterthought ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on January 30, 2014, 07:14:09 am
JJ, you can post ****, ****, gamble etc anytime you want.  The board is uncensored now.

B.D.P.A.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 30, 2014, 07:46:21 am
I agree, Peke. Impact players change games and we sorely need that now. If some stellar stud is there, get him, be it corner, safety, backer or whatever. Collect as many impact players as possible.....they change games....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on January 30, 2014, 12:26:57 pm
Both Florio and MDS on PFT are picking the Seahawks in a close win.  They say the D of SEA is going to stop Manning.  I guess we shall see.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 30, 2014, 12:49:09 pm
It depends on how much mugging they can get away with.
Sherman has had a lot of press lately and Manning gets calls his way a lot of times.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 30, 2014, 12:49:49 pm
I cant believe Seattle can stop Manning for 60 minutes. A mistake here and a mistake there and its game over
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 30, 2014, 03:38:51 pm
JJ, you can post ****, ****, gamble etc anytime you want.  The board is uncensored now.

B.D.P.A.

 Yippee **** ! Treated like adults at last.
 
 Thanks for the update VJ !
 
 I have no dog in the hunt of the upcoming superbowl.
 
 Can root for Seattles D and Denvers O.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 30, 2014, 05:22:26 pm
I think Nav has it right.

Seattle is famous for pass interference.  They have been called for it more then any team in the league. They do it almost every down because they know the refs won't keep calling it all game long.

If the refs call the game as the rules are written Broncos win.  If the Seahawk DB's are mugging receivers all day and not getting called for it then they will throw Manning off his game and they will win.
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Post by: Dave23 on January 31, 2014, 11:01:35 am
Seattle needs to put pressure on Manning early and often...
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 31, 2014, 11:05:47 am
And he is prone to throwing interceptions
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Post by: stelz on January 31, 2014, 12:17:17 pm
**** **** and gamble!!!
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 02, 2014, 04:33:01 am
No, Stelz... not all of it!  You're going to break it!
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 02, 2014, 04:33:24 am
Pulling for the Broncos, but I expect Seattle to win.
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Post by: Keysbear on February 02, 2014, 03:29:49 pm
Watching the pre-game and couldn't be more disgusted with the coverage. Red Carpet celebrity interviews? Really? This whole thing has gone so far over the top it's ridiculous. Please just stop with the Hollywood influence, stop with the commercials, stop with the halftime "extravaganzas" and just play the damn game.
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Post by: Sportster on February 02, 2014, 04:09:42 pm
Hollywood should have zero influence or part in this, period. They're already ruining the morals of the land. Keep them out of football....
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 02, 2014, 10:53:51 pm
 
 Who said it ? : "OFFENSE wins games,DEFENSE wins Championships."
 
 I dont know who said it ... but it was the right call.
 
 I never saw a team picked apart by a DEFENSE this bad since the 1985 BEARS.
 
 Oh wait there was the 56-10 destruction of ... you guessed it ... Denver,1990,SB 24.
 
 THE GOOD NEWS IS : CHICAGO WON 46-10. SEATTLE WON 43-8.
 
 CHICAGO still holds a one point victory for a blowout over Seattle.  ;D  NYUK !
 
 Every coach in the NFL is going back to how the Rams beat Seahawks in Seattle last year.
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Post by: boogie on February 02, 2014, 11:40:34 pm
I was thinking boy do we need to improve the D to even be competitive.....just saying.
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Post by: chifaninva on February 03, 2014, 04:50:08 am
Watching the pre-game and couldn't be more disgusted with the coverage. Red Carpet celebrity interviews? Really? This whole thing has gone so far over the top it's ridiculous. Please just stop with the Hollywood influence, stop with the commercials, stop with the halftime "extravaganzas" and just play the damn game.

That's the same way I feel..
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Post by: BearHit on February 03, 2014, 05:06:47 am

That's why we watched the COPS marathon on Spike instead
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 03, 2014, 05:49:33 am
Took a nap and made it through the entire Superbowl.  I was expecting at some point that Denver would get it going and they never did.  That was an amazing defensive performance by Seattle.  Russell Wilson also made the plays he had to make and was very accurate. 

Our team would have never competed against that, wow!
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Post by: davebear on February 03, 2014, 07:51:30 am
How many  high draft picks do you see on Seattle?

Just goes to show smart player aquisition trumps draft position.
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Post by: BearHit on February 03, 2014, 10:13:17 am
But who would have said Percy Harvin was a smart acquisition prior to the Super Bowl - he missed almost the whole season with head issues?
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Post by: Keysbear on February 03, 2014, 10:41:23 am
Actually his missing the season ws due to his hip surgery in august. he only missed one game due to a concussion.
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Post by: Sportster on February 03, 2014, 10:52:48 am
Him and Cliff Avril from Detoilet. These guys came from terrible or mediocre programs to make impact plays for Seattle. Something in the water there. They're getting impact plays from walk on type players and low draft picks....
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 03, 2014, 11:23:01 am
I don't think you can classify Harvin and Avril as walk on type of guys, but your point is well taken. 

Where do we get Kam Chancellor and Richard Sherman!!?  5th round, that is incredible
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Post by: boogie on February 03, 2014, 11:26:03 am
That is the difference that good coaching can make. 
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Post by: BearHit on February 03, 2014, 11:49:04 am
So will all their coaches get stolen away now that the SB is done?
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 03, 2014, 12:09:53 pm
Good question. There is a chance some of them will
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 03, 2014, 12:11:55 pm
Could it be we've kept Tucker because we are waiting for Seattle assistants being available?
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Post by: Sportster on February 03, 2014, 03:07:37 pm
I would want to know who the architect is that built that program. They have talent to spare on that D! I swear it felt like they used only half their D last night and the rest of the guys were bored.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 03, 2014, 06:59:00 pm
I would want to know who the architect is that built that program. They have talent to spare on that D! I swear it felt like they used only half their D last night and the rest of the guys were bored.

 Sporty I think the Seattle GM is named Snyder. But look at who the owner is,Paul Allen,
 
 co-founder of Microsoft. Huge Jimi Hendrix fan. Snyder is the brains of the organization while Carroll coaches them and Allen bankrolls them.
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Post by: packrat on February 03, 2014, 07:18:56 pm
The Seahawks did poorly for many years with Allen 's bankrolling.

Seattle  and San Fran are at the peak and will begin to lose players through salary cap.  Now, we get to see whether or not they can repeat their great drafting the way NYG, Pitt, NE, etc have.

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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 03, 2014, 07:36:27 pm
The Seahawks did poorly for many years with Allen 's bankrolling.

Seattle  and San Fran are at the peak and will begin to lose players through salary cap.  Now, we get to see whether or not they can repeat their great drafting the way NYG, Pitt, NE, etc have.

 Packy it looks like it took Allen awhile to get the right GM and HC. It shows.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 03, 2014, 08:02:58 pm
 
 BTW ... the Seattle GM is named John Schneider.
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Post by: boogie on February 03, 2014, 09:37:07 pm
Wasnt John Schneider one of the Dukes of Hazard boys?  LOL
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Post by: stelz on February 04, 2014, 08:58:53 am
Their upswing started when Jerry Angelo's buddy was axed.  What was his name...Russkert?
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 04, 2014, 09:18:15 am
Tim Ruskell
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Post by: packrat on February 04, 2014, 07:03:17 pm

 BTW ... the Seattle GM is named John Schneider.

Yeah.  One of those former Packers staff.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 04, 2014, 07:24:59 pm
Yeah.  One of those former Packers staff.

 Now how did you manage to let that slip away ?
 
Tim Ruskell

 Wasnt Ruskell with us for awhile ?
 
 
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 04, 2014, 11:02:46 pm
Yes Ruskell was brought in to the Bears by Angelo shortly before he was canned.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 04, 2014, 11:05:16 pm
Ruskell worked with Angelo in Tampa Bay. Then he went to Seattle and ruined that team before coming to the Bears to be Angelo's assistant
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Post by: packrat on February 06, 2014, 07:14:43 pm
Typical **** Carroll.

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 6, 2014, 7:01 PM EST

Heading into the Super Bowl, one of the big questions was whether the officials would let Seattle’s physical secondary get away with pass interference. As it turned out, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll was the one who thought the officials were allowing too much physical play, and Carroll had some strong words for the officials for not calling offensive pass interference on the Broncos.

On an incomplete deep pass along the sideline in the second half, Broncos receiver Demaryius Thomas bumped Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman, knocking him off. As shown on Inside the NFL, that led to Carroll chewing out the nearest official for failing to throw a flag for a penalty that, in Carroll’s opinion, cost the Seahawks an interception..

“You didn’t see it? He shoved the guy right on the ground,” Carroll told field judge Scott Steenson. “Sherman was gonna make that catch.”

Steenson replied that it was Sherman who caused the contact by slowing down in front of Thomas, but Carroll said Sherman was only slowing down to adjust to the ball in the air, and that Sherman would have caught it if Thomas hadn’t run into him.

“He slowed down to catch the football! He interferes with our chance to catch the football,” Carroll said.

Steenson again began to explain why he didn’t throw a flag, but Carroll was getting increasingly angry.

“What are you talking about? What do you mean he slowed down? He slowed down to catch the football,” Carroll said.

Steenson replied, “That’s not the way I saw it,” and Carroll (who seemed to understand that he wasn’t going to win the argument) said, “I can live with that.”

The game was such a blowout that most people didn’t pay much attention to the officiating one way or the other. But Carroll wanted to make sure the officials heard from him, even after the game was out of reach.
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Post by: Pekin on February 06, 2014, 08:05:55 pm
I saw it and thought he was being ridiculous.  The Seahawks are famous for pass interference.  It is what they do and figure the refs will not call it when you do it every play. 

For Carroll to try and turn that around was classless.  That said that was an ass beating the Seahawks delivered and had nothing to do with the refs.
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on February 07, 2014, 03:46:55 am
Actually that play was offensive pass interference…they didn't throw flag because the game wasn't even close at that point and nothing was going Denver's way, so why throw it?  I can live with a no call in a blowout.  They just suck ass in a close game.
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Post by: Pekin on February 07, 2014, 12:05:04 pm
hiber, my point is offensive pass interference or not it is hypocritical to throw a fit about it when you teach your DB's to commit defensive pass interference on almost every down because you know they will not call them.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 07, 2014, 04:13:03 pm
 
 So Sherman got carted off ... whats his status ?
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 08, 2014, 06:39:12 am
He's gonna miss the rest of the game...
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Post by: Pekin on February 08, 2014, 10:02:01 am
Hasn't kept him from shooting off his mouth so I am guessing he will be fine.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 08, 2014, 10:49:39 am
Ha, his mouth wasn't injured.
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Post by: packrat on February 08, 2014, 04:57:51 pm
LOL.
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Post by: boogie on February 10, 2014, 06:41:07 pm
Doh:

The Buccaneers added quarterback Mike Kafka to the roster on Monday, but that wasn’t the only roster move in Tampa.

The team announced that they have released four players in addition to signing Kafka. Tackle Gabe Carimi, running back Michael Hill, defensive tackle Derek Landri and quarterback Jordan Rodgers have all been let go.

Carimi, a first-round pick by the Bears in 2011, was traded to the Bucs for a 2014 sixth-round pick before last season. He saw action in 14 games for the Bucs and made three starts, but doesn’t appear that Lovie Smith was interested in giving another chance to a player whose struggles were part of overall offensive line issues that helped grease the skids for Smith’s firing in Chicago.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 10, 2014, 07:07:32 pm
I wonder if Uncle Jerry resurfaces down there in some capacity. You cant have one without the other ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 10, 2014, 09:57:03 pm
 
 Is Carimi such a forgone loser that we cant bring him in as a backup guard ?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 13, 2014, 09:51:41 pm
 
 Its also interesting that the coach who drafted him in CHICAGO cut him in TAMPA.
 
 I need a Rodney Dangerfield punchline right about here , what could it be ?
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Post by: 46 on February 14, 2014, 01:19:10 pm
Its obviously gone very badly for this guy, with the last sentence of the article being ominous.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/darren-sharper-charged-with-****-in-california1-021414?gt51=39002
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Post by: packrat on February 14, 2014, 07:12:59 pm

Inside Slant: Salary cap carryover numbers
February, 13, 2014 Feb 139:30AM ETBy Kevin Seifert | ESPN.com
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January brings us the NFL playoffs. March takes us into free agency, April (usually) holds down the draft and May ushers in offseason workouts. February? For the most part, it is the NFL's month of accounting.

(Oh, and the annual scouting combine, but that's not until next week. Work with me here.)

Yes, we have arrived at the time of year when even casual fans are interested in the salary cap, the otherwise mind-numbing monolith that generates a flurry of player moves in February and early March. All teams must be under the NFL's mandated cap total, likely to fall between $126 million and $128 million, by March 11.

I always hesitate to pass along team-by-team salary-cap figures given how fluid they are at this time of year. But the fourth column of the monster chart in this post provides a decent estimation of how much work each team has (or doesn't have) in front of it. You can see the range of cap commitments runs from the massively strapped Dallas Cowboys ($152.2 million) to the bare-bones Oakland Raiders ($67.8 million). Keep in mind that each team must save between $3 million and $7 million for signing its draft class, based on draft position and number of picks.

The chart, however, is sorted by another figure I wanted to highlight. "Projected carryover" is a relatively new term in NFL salary caponomics, created by an addition to the 2011 collective bargaining agreement that allows each team to roll over unused cap space from one year to another. (Previously, teams resorted to tricks such as "phony bonuses" to push excess into the following year.)

The carryover must be declared in writing before the end of the regular season, so you can assume that the figures in the chart -- provided by ESPN's Roster Management Tool -- are reasonably accurate estimations.

The easiest way to think about carryover is to add it the NFL's official salary cap number. Say the 2014 cap number is $127 million per team. The Philadelphia Eagles technically were at $123 million when I grabbed these numbers late last week, a total that would put them in compliance but might not even be enough to sign their draft class. Because the Eagles are carrying over $17.2 million in space, however, their actual cap spending limit will be about $144 million.

All but three teams are projected to carry over some space, but only half the NFL's 32 teams will bring more than $2 million in additional cap funds into 2014.

Carryover totals aren't necessarily an indicator of quality cap management, nor do they necessarily reflect an unwillingness to spend cash. No one was more aggressive on the free-agent market last year than the Miami Dolphins, and they are still projected to carry over $18.1 million in extra space for 2014. I present these numbers mostly as a utility to help you get a better grip of where your team will stand after the dust settles in March.

Some of you might look at the larger carryover numbers and wonder how those teams are in compliance with the NFL's minimum spending requirement. Keep in mind that the league's calculation for minimum spending comes over four-year periods, the first of which began in 2013. Teams must consume 89 percent of the NFL's total cap allotment over that period. In other words, no one is out of compliance yet.

The numbers:

2014 NFL salary-cap estimations
Team Contracts Projected carryover 2014 current cap value
Source: ESPN's Roster Management System
 
 
Cleveland Browns 66 $24,537,568.00 $105,310,400.00
Jacksonville Jaguars 64 $19,645,313.00 $96,517,190.00
Miami Dolphins 49 $18,064,000.00 $111,882,727.00
Buffalo Bills 63 $17,801,975.00 $125,092,434.00
Philadelphia Eagles 58 $17,169,768.00 $123,409,964.00
Green Bay Packers 58 $9,820,459.00 $109,697,531.00
Cincinnati Bengals 62 $8,663,480.00 $111,300,523.00
Tennessee Titans 59 $6,953,561.00 $126,946,609.00
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 60 $6,769,781.00 $122,600,429.00
Denver Broncos 63 $6,400,000.00 $127,230,112.00
Carolina Panthers 57 $6,012,268.00 $123,542,554.00
Arizona Cardinals 58 $5,750,007.00 $122,454,920.00
New England Patriots 66 $4,106,801.00 $126,515,381.00
Atlanta Falcons 53 $3,129,200.00 $116,987,321.00
Seattle Seahawks 54 $2,845,004.00 $129,763,780.00
Kansas City Chiefs 68 $2,381,518.00 $128,222,574.00
San Diego Chargers 59 $2,319,341.00 $130,578,011.00
Oakland Raiders 51 $2,250,000.00 $67,757,080.00
San Francisco 49ers 64 $2,175,038.00 $121,197,319.00
Baltimore Ravens 46 $1,531,423.00 $115,952,323.00
Detroit Lions 52 $1,474,552.00 $132,769,422.00
New York Jets 57 $1,473,437.00 $107,728,879.00
Pittsburgh Steelers 63 $1,352,450.00 $140,100,516.00
Dallas Cowboys 62 $1,280,693.00 $152,201,383.00
Houston Texans 60 $1,114,730.00 $125,111,520.00
Minnesota Vikings 54 $812,317.00 $103,755,495.00
Chicago Bears 47 $746,727.00 $121,967,001.00
Indianapolis Colts 58 $607,906.00 $92,903,156.00
New Orleans Saints 52 $500,000.00 $140,357,008.00
New York Giants 52 $0.00 $117,121,817.00
St. Louis Rams 53 $0.00 $125,682,768.00
Washington Redskins 62 $0.00 $114,236,847.00
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 14, 2014, 08:07:43 pm
 
 Good post Packy,
 
 Looks like our boys are in the bottom. And yours are on the top.
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Post by: packrat on February 15, 2014, 03:56:26 pm
Thompson will need to spend some of it this off-season, I expect.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 16, 2014, 06:41:29 pm
 
 Bobby Engram hired as Ravens WR coach.
      BobbyEngram (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3512) is returning to the NFL as wide receivers coach for the Baltimore Ravens (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/bal),   Engram, 41, spent the past two seasons as the wide receivers coach at the University of Pittsburgh. The 14-year NFL veteran began his coaching career in 2011 with the San Francisco 49ers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/sfo) as an offensive assistant. 

"When you combine Bobby's NFL pedigree as a player and his coaching experience, you see why we're excited to add him to our staff," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said. "He comes highly recommended, he did an outstanding job at San Francisco and Pitt, and he's an impressive person. He'll help our receivers and our offense become better."    Engram started his playing career in 1996 with the Chicago Bears (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/chi), moved on after four years to the Seattle Seahawks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/sea) and finished with the Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/kan) in 2009. He had 650 career receptions. 
 "What an opportunity to join a team that has won, knows how to win and does all it can to make sure they continue to win," Engram said. "I'm ready to be part of that and ready to work."   
 Engram's addition is the latest change to a Ravens coaching staff that underwent since the end of the 2013 season the biggest transformation in Harbaugh's six years as coach. The team recently hired Thomas Hammock as running backs coach and former Houston Texans head coach Gary Kubiak as offensive coordinator.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 17, 2014, 08:03:05 pm
Here is an excerpt from Mark Lawrence's latest blob.  I will be looking into this as an alternate for Sunday Ticket for my NFL viewing.

Who are the most hated companies in the US? Cable companies can make a strong claim. So this week we hear Comcast wants to buy Time- Warner cable. Why share the podium when you can have the gold all to yourself? I see this as being a bit like Sears buying KMart - the entire cable business is of questionable basis now, as people are turning more and more to getting their media over the internet. The world is changing on these guys - I've already written about Aereo.com, a company that I hope will be ready by August to sign me up for Madison, WI TV, so I can watch all my Packers games for about $9 per month and ditch DirecTv and Sunday Ticket once and for all.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 17, 2014, 08:10:43 pm
Now if you had your locals with Madison locals you'd be fine, you wouldn't need Sunday ticket. That's what I did with Dish. I have Chicago locals so I get all Chicago sports teams. You do know there is more than one way to skin a **** cat.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 18, 2014, 05:28:59 am
It's slow right now, so I'll post off topic on this thread.  What is everyone paying for cable/satellite and what do you get... what are you paying for?

I have Directv and pay $115.  Included in that are HD, 3 DVRs including the Genie (5 total boxes), HBO/ Cinemax/Showtime.  I don't have the sports package but I have the Total Choice package.  Included in that amount was also the NFL Ticket.
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Post by: AZSteve on February 18, 2014, 07:27:57 am
Grizz, I've got DISH, 1 Hopper, 1 Joey, HBO/Showtime/Starz/Encore, no primo sports pkg, $125...
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Post by: 46 on February 18, 2014, 09:15:24 am
Pretty much the same as Griz, if I could get the Bears any other way I'd dump the whole damn mess and go complete streaming. The net though is becoming so garbaged up with ads, its like a scene
of downtown LA out of blade runner.
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Post by: Dave23 on February 18, 2014, 11:49:26 am
DirecTV - about $150-160 per month, except when I have MLB Extra Innings monthly payments or NFL Sunday Ticket payments, then the monthly amount is closer to $190-200.

Extra Classic package, Sports package, HD extra pack, HD monthly fee, DVR monthly fee, protection plan, 5 HD DVR's, Whole Home DVR fee, taxes...
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Post by: guest77 on February 18, 2014, 03:04:32 pm
DirecTV - $160 mo + taxes gets me PREMIER Package + Protection Plan + HD Extra Pack + Advanced Receiver-HD + Advanced Receiver-DVR + Whole Home Feature (Genie) on DVR + Extra TV.  During FB season, NFL Sunday Ticket Max for $39/mo extra for 6 months.
 
I like DirecTV, but if I could get Bears games any other way, I'd go with streaming.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 18, 2014, 03:33:47 pm
Now if you had your locals with Madison locals you'd be fine, you wouldn't need Sunday ticket. That's what I did with Dish. I have Chicago locals so I get all Chicago sports teams. You do know there is more than one way to skin a **** cat.

Sounds great.  How much do you pay for the Chicago locals and the whole package?
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Post by: Sportster on February 18, 2014, 05:26:58 pm
I've got Dish with the Hopper 3 HD tuner recording deal, think it's the 250 channel deal with Sirius XM and 2 Joeys and pay about $119/month, after it going up $5/month. No movie packages. Think I'm paying too much. Have seriously been considering cutting the cable off and going with maybe Netflix, Hulu, Amazon plus, etc. Just a lot of money to pay for so many channels I don't want. I've checked out all their packages and of course they leave out the channels we DO watch, a lot of them, on the cheaper packages. Picking your channels has got to be the wave of the future or they're going to find a lot more folks who are tired of paying for infomercial nonsense and crap they don't want leaving.
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Post by: Pekin on February 18, 2014, 06:07:39 pm
$229 a month with Comcast.  However that is Xfinity phone, TV and internet.  Also the cable bill includes Starz and Starz on demand, the NFL Network, as well as the sports and outdoor channels.  Also have 4 boxes.  One for each bedroom and the living room. 
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 18, 2014, 06:56:57 pm
Comcast is very high. I had their phone/internet package. After the initial years deal it was $99/mo. Then it seemed every month it went up a little more and I had to get rid of the phone when it got to 115/mo. With 2 cells and a house phone we decided to get rid of the phone. That cut us down to 71.95. Now that has gone up to 74.95 for just the internet. If there was a better provider I'd switch in a nanosecond.
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Post by: packrat on February 18, 2014, 07:30:59 pm
I pay $89 per month, with no movie channels except Encore ($4/ month).

For an additional $12/month for Sunday Ticket I am probably ahead to stick with what I have with DirecTV.
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Post by: packrat on February 18, 2014, 07:43:33 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on February 18, 2014, 6:10 PM EST

With Gabe Carimi in on the offensive line for the Falcons, Falcons offensive lineman Garrett Reynolds is out.
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Post by: packrat on February 18, 2014, 07:45:27 pm
Amid disturbing allegations, Darren Sharper remains suspended from NFL Network

Posted by Mike Florio on February 18, 2014, 2:48 PM EST
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Post by: BearHit on February 18, 2014, 10:08:18 pm
Disturbing?

I thought that stuff is common in the hood...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 18, 2014, 10:43:19 pm
 
 Speaking of the media ... within the last few months when I go to record somthing on DVD it says it is not allowed to be recorded.
 
 Anybody else getting this ?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 19, 2014, 10:02:10 pm
 
 
 
Heres whats coming up on the Combine :

Saturday 2/22 : K-OL-TE
Sunday 2/23 : RB-QB-WR
Monday 2/24 : LB-DL
Tuesday 2/25 : DB
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 20, 2014, 12:24:54 am
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21QtXjUodsg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21QtXjUodsg)
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Post by: navigator on February 20, 2014, 07:45:12 am

 Speaking of the media ... within the last few months when I go to record somthing on DVD it says it is not allowed to be recorded.
 
 Anybody else getting this ?

I haven't tried any NFL games recently but I have problems with even old kids VHS tapes, trying to make backup copies. I don't recall any issues with items from cable.
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Post by: BearHit on February 20, 2014, 08:40:46 am
It's the NSA
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Post by: Pekin on February 20, 2014, 09:05:48 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/20/bucs-unveil-new-helmet-logo/

Sounds like they will have some good looking uniforms.  I thought they were in the top 10 already.
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Post by: Dave23 on February 21, 2014, 09:18:06 am
Seattle reportedly has no plans to franchise Bennett.
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Post by: boogie on February 21, 2014, 09:36:39 am
That could open a window for us to make a bid for him. 
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Post by: AZSteve on February 21, 2014, 10:12:32 am
Money talks... ;)
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Post by: Dave23 on February 21, 2014, 01:37:25 pm
Reports are that Jairus Byrd is looking for 8M+ per year...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 22, 2014, 01:06:36 am
Seattle reportedly has no plans to franchise Bennett.

 If Emery can swing a dual Bennett brother deal ...
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Post by: davebear on February 22, 2014, 09:56:03 am
Byrd's father was fired by the Bears when the new coaching staff came in.

Even for much less he may not be too excited about coming to the Bears.
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Post by: Pekin on February 22, 2014, 01:40:01 pm
http://t.foxsports.msn.com/nfl/nfl-to-penalize-use-of-n-word-during-games

John Wooten, who heads the Fritz Pollard Alliance, expects the NFL Competition Committee to adopt a new rule making it a penalty if a player uses the 'N' word on the field. The first use will draw a 15-yard penalty. The second use will lead to an ejection.

What if a black player uses a derogatory term at a white player.  Will that also be a penalty?  Is it just the N word or it any derogatory term for blacks?  What about other minorities?

Is the entire Washington Redskins team going to be ejected every game?   
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Post by: BearHit on February 22, 2014, 03:44:37 pm
Can't wait to hear the Refs call it out...

"Unsportsmanlike conduct... Number 75 Offense... Called Number 90 on the Defense.. a N*****"

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on February 22, 2014, 04:39:19 pm
I really have no problem if they do this but it does open up a whole can of worms.  Can blacks call whites rednecks, woods, wonderbread, marshmallow, cracker?

Are blacks allowed to call blacks the N word?  What about their own team mates?  Or is it only white players that can be penalized?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on February 22, 2014, 05:02:10 pm
What if you call someone a spearchucker? Or a jungle bunny?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 22, 2014, 08:53:45 pm
If you in the wrong neighborhood, you dead.
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Post by: Pekin on February 22, 2014, 08:57:00 pm
Yes but this is strictly on an NFL football field.  Does a flag get thrown and a 15 yard penalty and does a player get ejected if they change what they are calling the other player?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 23, 2014, 06:45:01 am
 
 Words only have meaning if you allow them to have meaning.
 
 They can be hurtful only if you allow them to be hurtful ...
 
 and they can be soothing if you allow them to be soothing.
 
 Other then that ... words are just words.
 
 Make of this what you will :
 
 "Putting a diaper on a new born babys bottom ... AND ...
 
 putting a diaper on a new born n****** babys bottom."
 
 What you have just learned is pure psychobabble.
 
 You THOUGHT there was a word there ... but there was no word there.
 
 And if you STILL saw a word there ...
 
 then all of the censorship never got the word out of your mind.
 
 Its a fact that humans are humans.
 
 Anybody got a light for this cigarette?
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Post by: Sportster on February 23, 2014, 07:36:02 am
Those words hurt me deeply, JJ....I am wounded..... :'(
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 23, 2014, 11:07:18 pm
Those words hurt me deeply, JJ....I am wounded..... :'(

 Its the pain we all have to suffer from words.
 
 This word has caused me severe pain ... Rodgers.
 
 And this word : TOUCHDOWN! ... Green Bay.
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Post by: packrat on February 24, 2014, 07:59:01 pm
LOL.
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Post by: packrat on February 24, 2014, 09:43:29 pm
Most NFL teams had their eyes focused on the scouting combine in Indianapolis, but one team was forced to answer questions about a possible coaching change. The San Francisco 49ers denied they engaged in talks with Cleveland about exchanging head coach Jim Harbaugh for a draft pick; now the Browns' owner is saying there were discussions.
 
Jimmy Haslam told USA TODAY that his organization had indeed spoken with the 49ers about getting their head coach, but ultimately a deal couldn't be finalized.


"There was an opportunity there, and it didn't materialize," Haslam told USA TODAY Sports.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 27, 2014, 04:40:05 pm
Most NFL teams had their eyes focused on the scouting combine in Indianapolis, but one team was forced to answer questions about a possible coaching change. The San Francisco 49ers denied they engaged in talks with Cleveland about exchanging head coach Jim Harbaugh for a draft pick; now the Browns' owner is saying there were discussions.
 
Jimmy Haslam told USA TODAY that his organization had indeed spoken with the 49ers about getting their head coach, but ultimately a deal couldn't be finalized.


"There was an opportunity there, and it didn't materialize," Haslam told USA TODAY Sports.


 Packy I dont know what the hell you could read into that one.
 
 One of the better rumors though.
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Post by: Pekin on February 27, 2014, 06:46:47 pm
Source: Cap will be $133 million per team

Posted by Mike Florio on February 27, 2014, 7:08 PM EST

Cash
Getty Images

For 2014, each team will have $10 million more to spend than it had a year ago.

Per a league source, the salary cap will be $133 million in 2014.  That’s a significant jump from the spending limit of $123 million last year, especially in light of recent increases of only a million or two per year.

Tom Pelissero of USA Today reports that the official number will be announced most likely by Monday, and possibly as soon as tomorrow.

In response to recent reports that the cap will be $132 million, we were told it could be a few million higher.  In the end, it’s only a million more.  Still, it’s a big jump over the $126.3 million projection shared with owners during the 2013 season.

The increase is good news for teams that need cap space, like the Steelers and Cowboys.  But it’s bad news for teams that prefer to keep their money in their coffers.  The current labor deal requires each team to spend 89 percent of the unadjusted cap, on (for now) a three-year rolling average.

If/when the official cap numbers are released, the various franchise tags also will be set.  Under the 2011 labor deal, the franchise tags are tied to a percentage of the cap.

The higher the cap, the greater the tags will be.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on February 27, 2014, 07:42:19 pm
That's good news for the Bears. They might find some decent FAs now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on February 27, 2014, 08:41:54 pm
Plus I don't see the Bears tagging anyone.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 28, 2014, 07:29:14 am
Definitely no tags this year
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on February 28, 2014, 08:46:40 pm
With the increased cap size every player's cost just went up.  We are dogs chasing their tails.  The players are the big winners.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 02, 2014, 04:37:59 pm
With the increased cap size every player's cost just went up.  We are dogs chasing their tails.  The players are the big winners.

 The last I heard they are playing THE GAME.
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Post by: packrat on March 02, 2014, 07:08:11 pm
And the fans are paying for it.
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Post by: packrat on March 02, 2014, 07:09:11 pm
Report: Jim Harbaugh’s “act has worn thin” in the 49ers locker room

Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2014, 3:25 PM EST

Harbaugh
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At this rate, 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh’s infamous “who’s got it better than us?” victory cry eventually may become a “who hasn’t got it better than us?” lament.

With most of the last nine days devoted to a dissection of the dysfunction between Harbaugh and 49ers G.M. Trent Baalke, Ann Killion of the San Francisco Chronicle identifies a new front in the organizational battlefield...

Anyone like Jim?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 02, 2014, 08:35:08 pm
And the fans are paying for it.
Dont pay them and the game wont be played.
 
 Have you ever noticed how exciting golf is ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 03, 2014, 10:03:11 pm
Yeah just below mowing the lawn.
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 04, 2014, 08:29:42 am
LOL. Spoken like a grass loving fan. Parallels my love for tennis too
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 04, 2014, 10:23:45 am
don't forget bowling.
Bowling on TV is so exciting.

On a side note, you know related to football..... :-)
I just saw they are contemplating moving the extra point try back to the 25 yard line making it essentially about a 42 yard field goal.

Part of me hates change because it screws up all the records etc but that could make the game more interesting. A 42yd field goal isn't necessarily a gimme. They speculate it might lead to more 2pt conversions.
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Post by: Sportster on March 04, 2014, 07:35:49 pm
Speaking of bowling, I was working out couple days back and they had the PBA on and guess who has his own team? Terrell Owens, lol! Couldn't believe it....he looked like he was doing pretty darned good, too....looks like he may have found his second calling.
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Post by: navigator on March 05, 2014, 06:53:48 am
I don't bowl much but I have figured out my knuckles are too large for a 10lb ball but I don't have the strength to have good control over a 12lb ball and get the right spin/placement.

I seem to bowl my best if I just sling a 14lb ball between the 1st and 2nd pins and hope for the best :-)
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Post by: Sportster on March 05, 2014, 03:15:49 pm
I don't bowl much at all. Usually just use a 16lber and whip it down there and hope the explosion takes something out, lol. I can get a spin on it and all but I just don't have the consistency to do much with it. My best game I think is around 230, but that was many many many moons ago.
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Post by: packrat on March 05, 2014, 10:13:00 pm


Wow.  Caveat emptor for Raji and Shields siigners.

Cory’s Corner: Raji and Shields aren’t worth worrying over

Posted in 2014 NFL Draft,B. J. Raji,Cory Jennerjohn,Cory's Corner,Micah Hyde,Packers News,Pro Football Focus,Salaries,Salary Cap,Sam Shields,Ted Thompson by Cory Jennerjohn


B.J. Raji was not franchise or transition tagged by the Packers.
B.J. Raji was not franchise or transition tagged by the Packers.

There is no reason to worry about the Packers not tagging anyone with a franchise or transition tag.

I can totally understand not tagging B.J. Raji. Here’s a guy that scoffed at $8 million and if the Packers applied the franchise tag it would’ve cost them $9.654 million and $8.061 million if they used the transition tag. The Packers aren’t going to spend that kind of cash on a guy that appeared disinterested last year — which happened to also be a contract year.

Raji, while only 27, will likely be paid a king’s ransom but will never live up to his 2010 season in which he had 6½ sacks and gave us his own rendition of twerking in the NFC Championship at Chicago.

The same goes for Shields. The Packers’ secondary has been in shambles ever since Charles Woodson lost his ability to cover at a premium level. That unit has made subpar passers like Colin Kaepernick look like Peyton Manning and has put more pressure on the front seven to generate a pass rush.

Shields would be owed $11.834 million if he were franchised and $10.081 if the fourth-year cornerback were transition tagged. Another twist in this whole equation is that Shields’ agent is Drew Rosenhaus, the antichrist for front office pro teams. Rosenhaus is the guy that tells his clients to hold out while asking for more money and a long-term deal.

The 26-year-old Shields has blossomed into a reliable corner. I wouldn’t say he’s the shutdown corner the Packers covet and need for a division loaded with guys like Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery but he is solid. ProFootballFocus.com has Shields as the 52nd best corner — 12 spots below teammate Micah Hyde.

The Packers have proven that they are unwilling to overpay just to keep a veteran. That was proven when the Packers let go of center Scott Wells in 2011 — which happened to be the same year he was named a Pro Bowler for the first time.

Many people see that the Packers have the sixth-most cap space with $34,197,930 and wonder why none of that is getting used. Ted Thompson knows that Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb must be taken care of after this season and he still may sign a defensive free agent.

Not tagging Raji and Shields is seen as doing nothing. But there is plenty below the surface that we don’t know about. Will Thompson decide to trade up to get a defensive lineman in the draft? How many free agents is Thompson willing to get? Will the team roll over some of that cap money and put it into more Lambeau Field improvements?

Both guys were good players but they aren’t the dynamic players that opposing offenses build a scheme around.
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Post by: packrat on March 05, 2014, 10:32:39 pm
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/3/3/5464542/2014-nfl-mock-draft-texans-falcons-jadeveon-clowney-blake-bortles
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 06, 2014, 09:21:05 pm
This would be an outstanding deal for G B.  Raji one year for 4m.  After one year you can cut him and get your  money back to sign Cobb and Nelson next season.

This morning, we discussed the news that the Packers and B.J. Raji were coming close to a deal to keep the lineman in Green Bay for 2014. Thanks to Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, we now have more details about the team's contract offer.

According to McGinn, the Packers offered Raji both a one-year deal and a two-year contract, and that the one-year deal is worth around $4 million in total. That deal seems extremely reasonable for Raji, and certainly will set him up for another shot at free agency in 2015.

As a first-round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, Raji just completed the fifth and final year of his rookie contract. In 2013, Raji received just under $4.5 million in base salary and about $225,000 in workout bonuses. This deal will obviously be a slight pay cut, but it will provide plenty of motivation for him to elevate his play in 2014.

All in all, this impending deal is a sign that Raji and his agent did not sense a strong market for his services in free agency. For the Packers, it appears to be a clear message to Raji that the team is aware of his capabilities and that they expect him to play at a high level next season.

(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/29594677/20130108_kkt_ah7_366.0_standard_783.0.jpg)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 08, 2014, 05:45:15 pm
 
  I remember when B.J. Raji destroyed CHICAGO BEARS playoff hopes.
 
Those days are over.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 08, 2014, 07:18:44 pm
I'm afraid that you are correct, jj.  The Pack has not been overwhelmed by his play the past two years.  If he defects, the Pack will, no doubt, re-sign Pickett for another year.   He has been outplaying Raji recently, anyway.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 09, 2014, 05:04:38 pm
I'm afraid that you are correct, jj.  The Pack has not been overwhelmed by his play the past two years.  If he defects, the Pack will, no doubt, re-sign Pickett for another year.   He has been outplaying Raji recently, anyway.

 Yeah Packy, B.J. took out a CHICAGO BEARS QB, ran in a TD ...
 
 and dissapeared.
 
 I thought he was going to be another Vince Wilfork, a N.E. anchor at DT.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2014, 06:52:31 pm
Raji would be an upgrade on what we put on the field last year
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 10, 2014, 08:35:07 pm
Maybe he would do OK in a 4-3.  His only good year was when he played NT, though.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on March 11, 2014, 05:17:45 am
I don't claim to watch all the Packer games like Packy.  However Raji always plays solid when I am watch the Pack.  I think he is a bit underrated by fans and the league.  If we could get him for a reasonable price, he would help us out.  No question in my mind.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 11, 2014, 07:02:49 am
I would expect Raji would do well in a 4-3. He's pretty quick for a fat dude :-)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on March 11, 2014, 02:14:44 pm
Sounds like Donta Whitner is close to a deal with the Browns, as is Karlos Danby. Browns have money to spend.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2014, 02:24:26 pm
Sounds like the Browns are expecting Ward to leave
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 12, 2014, 12:08:37 am
 
 
 
Looks like Peppers is a goner ...

The Bears on Tuesday informed veteran defensive end Julius Peppers that they are terminating his contract.

The 6-7, 287-pounder started all 16 games for the Bears each of the past four seasons, recording 151.5 tackles, 38 sacks, three interceptions, 19 tackles-for-loss, 12 passes breakups, nine forced fumbles and seven fumble recoveries.

“We appreciate Julius’ contributions to the Bears over the last four years,” said general manager Phil Emery. “He was a leader on our defense starting every game since coming to Chicago. His accomplishments over his NFL career place him among the best defensive ends over the past 20 years. The Chicagoland community has benefited greatly from his quiet generosity. We wish him the best.”

Peppers signed with the Bears on the first day of free agency in 2010 after spending his first eight NFL seasons with the Panthers. He was selected by Carolina with the second overall pick in the 2002 draft out of North Carolina.

Peppers, who turned 34 in January, was voted to the Pro Bowl in each of his first three seasons with the Bears. Last year he compiled 48.5 tackles, 7.5 sacks, one interception, four tackles-for-loss, four pass breakups, two forced fumbles and one fumble recovery.

>The release of Peppers, who was signed through the 2015, frees up considerable salary cap space for the Bears, who agreed to terms with defensive end Lamarr Houston, linebackers D.J. Williams and Jordan Senn, and safety Ryan Mundy on the first day of free agency Tuesday.

So does this mean DT with the 14th pick ?

Too bad about Michael Bush ... he never got a chance to get warmed up.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 12, 2014, 05:02:47 am
I've heard Pierre Thomas with the Saints may be released and that is someone that would fill in nicely. 
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Post by: boogie on March 12, 2014, 06:05:09 am
Pierre Thomas always had killer games against the Bears. 
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Post by: VJ on March 12, 2014, 11:04:13 am
lol

Bills signed G Chris Williams to a four-year, $13.5 million contract with $5.5 million guaranteed. Analysis: The move is a head scratcher after Williams graded out as Pro Football Focus' No. 74 guard among 81 qualifiers in 2013, and finished 76th in pass blocking. The Rams wanted him back, but certainly not at this price. Buffalo ostensibly plans to pencil in Williams at left guard, which was a gaping hole following Andy Levitre's 2013 departure. Williams turns 29 before next season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on March 12, 2014, 12:43:04 pm
Quote
Bills signed G Chris Williams to a four-year, $13.5 million contract with $5.5 million guaranteed.

I guess you really never know what you got till it's gone.   ???

Who knew he was in such hight demand.  We couldn't even get a 15th rounder for him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on March 12, 2014, 01:08:32 pm
Demarcus Ware to Denver, 3/30...the rich get richer
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on March 12, 2014, 01:17:28 pm
Dave, guys on NFL Network are saying signing Ware was , in part, done because Bronco's don't have salary constraints (Peyton's contract being the biggest) Bronco's are going hard for SB's over the next couple of seasons....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 12, 2014, 01:24:52 pm
you gotta expect Broncos only have a 1-2 year window with Peyton.

I think if I was John Elway, I would have pushed hard  for McCown cause if Peyton goes down.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on March 12, 2014, 01:33:07 pm
McCown got 2 years and 10 million.

Good luck, Josh...and glad we didnt match that!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on March 12, 2014, 02:35:01 pm
5 mil/yr for a backup QB.

Have fun with that.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on March 12, 2014, 02:36:32 pm
FWIW, Revis released
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 12, 2014, 03:01:05 pm
5 mil/yr for a backup QB.

Have fun with that.
Really.
 
FWIW, Revis released

 Whats the price tag for a head case?
 
 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 12, 2014, 03:05:55 pm
Lions signing Golden Tate.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 12, 2014, 03:31:31 pm
Lions signing Golden Tate.

 Tate was never a standout ... good to see him on the Lions.
 
 Better angles for our CB's to take.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 12, 2014, 04:19:32 pm
 
We lost McCown but how does both Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell sound as replacements who have just been cut by Clevland ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on March 12, 2014, 04:40:17 pm
Sounds awful...

Wait til after the draft, see who all takes a QB, and watch what moves they make...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 12, 2014, 05:52:12 pm
Stick with Palmer at backup. He did pretty well when given the shot. I'd hate to see a draft slot go to QB when we have so many other pressing needs.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 12, 2014, 06:00:49 pm
Until Cutler gets hurt and Palmer wets himself.  So the question is what does Trestman the QB whisperer need in a backup QB???
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on March 12, 2014, 06:02:04 pm
I trust Trestman with QB's.  We will be ok there for a few games if Cutler goes down.  I still can't believe Lovie gave McCown 5 million a year.  That is unreal.
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Post by: boogie on March 12, 2014, 06:16:56 pm
Lovie is a dumb ass.  Opps, Phil didn't hear me say that did he?  ;) 
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Post by: packrat on March 12, 2014, 09:44:30 pm
I would expect Raji would do well in a 4-3. He's pretty quick for a fat dude :-)

Raji was moved to DE.  He still had zero sacks in two years.  They would move him back to NT if he signs.  I hope that he doesn't.
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Post by: davebear on March 12, 2014, 11:42:23 pm
Don't understand Denver giving Ware all that money.  He looked pretty well washed up last year.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 13, 2014, 02:11:56 pm
Don't understand Denver giving Ware all that money.  He looked pretty well washed up last year.

 You didnt watch the SuperBowl?
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Post by: yapper on March 13, 2014, 09:25:42 pm
The Broncos are in it to win it. Peyton has 2 yrs at the most to get one more ring and Elway is moving heaven and earth to make that happen. They will be in cap hell in a few years but that's the next QB's problem.  It's all about #18 as long as he's there.
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Post by: packrat on March 14, 2014, 02:43:17 pm
Yep.  The train is a-comin for Denver and Dallas.
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Post by: packrat on March 14, 2014, 02:48:11 pm
GREEN BAY—Call it a poor man’s guide to value in free agency. Here are five affordable free agents (excluding Packers free agents) that would address need for the Packers. This list is according to availability at the time of publication.

1. Devin Hester, KR—How has he tortured the Packers through the years? Wouldn’t it be nice to torture the Bears with him? Hester could become solid value as free agency wears on without him signing a contract. What would he cost? His base salary was less than $2 million last year. What are you willing to spend on a man who returns both kicks and punts? Yeah, he might be on the down side, but he might have a year or two left in him. How many bad punts and kicks does he force because he puts a premium on direction? What could Shawn Slocum and Ron Zook do with Hester? What could Mike McCarthy do with Hester as a wide receiver? What would Hester mean to Randall Cobb’s longevity? Hester might be the best value left in free agency.

2. Ryan Wendell, C—Minimum-wage player who started 32 games over the last two seasons for the Patriots, after beating out Dan Koppen for the job. At 28, Wendell is in the prime of his career at a position that defies age. He’s been schooled well after being signed as an undrafted free agent by the Patriots in 2008. The Patriots want to keep him, but they’ve got cap limitations that make them vulnerable to a team with a little more to offer.

3. Tarell Brown, CB—At this point, the 49ers might be the competition for Brown, and the 49ers have to be careful with their cap room as they consider their next move with Colin Kaepernick. Brown’s availability is likely the result of a loaded cornerback market that has been shaken by recent developments. What’s he worth? At 29, he’s at the edge of his prime and he was paid just under $1 million in salary last season. He knows how to play and he’s dependable.

4. Letroy Guion, DT—Guion underperformed last season and that made him vulnerable to being cut with new coach Mike Zimmer bent on a makeover of the Vikings defense. Guion is 26 and in the prime of his career, knows how to play the run and might be motivated to resurrect what appeared to be a good-looking career a few years ago. Maybe it’s time for the Vikings’ door to swing in the other direction.

5. Jim Leonhard, S—Veteran, journeyman safety who knows how to play the ball and the game, and no doubt would enjoy capping a successful career back home in Wisconsin. He’s a minimum-wage, one-year patch, but he would provide insurance at an unsettled position.
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Post by: packrat on March 14, 2014, 02:53:23 pm
Matt from Kingston, NY

I am a fan of the draft-and-develop method, and I prefer the Packers stay away from the overspending that hurts the ability to re-sign your own talent down the road. With the Packers having so many free agents this year, will they be able to address all of their roster concerns through the draft?

Evan Dietrich-Smith is the domino that interests me the most now, and I think it’ll be the next one to fall. Cornerback has been addressed and I think that in signing Shields the Packers also addressed safety. Re-signing Quarless addresses tight end, and should Dietrich-Smith re-sign with the Packers, I think the draft will address whatever roster needs remain.
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Post by: packrat on March 14, 2014, 03:07:00 pm
Derek from Plymouth, MN

Vic, don’t get me wrong, I completely agree that draft-and-develop is the way to go, with occasional patches in free agency if you can find value. My question is a number of players that have signed new deals with other teams have indicated the Packers had expressed interest. Is there a possibility the reputation of the Packers has preceded them and players aren’t taking their interest seriously?

Let me paint a picture for you: It’s March and you’re a prize free agent making a visit to Green Bay. Your wife is with you on the visit. She looks around at the dirty snow and then gives you that no-way look. Your agent wants a contract that’ll guarantee $28 million, which is what Byrd got. Your agent tells you you’ll lose about $2 million of that amount to state tax. Your next visit is to one of the teams in Florida, where there is no state tax and March is the most beautiful month of the year. All of that is why draft-and-develop is a very good philosophy for the Packers, and a lot of teams are at the same disadvantage. You have to do what you have to do. Given the state tax rate, the Packers have to overpay by seven percent to be able to compete in free agency with teams from states with no tax. I think Packers fans need to get real about free agency. You can find guys in free agency that can help you, but you better not have to compete for them with other teams.
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Post by: navigator on March 14, 2014, 03:28:21 pm
I think I would pick winning with GB over losing in TB or JAX or OAK.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 14, 2014, 07:26:49 pm
The Broncos are in it to win it. Peyton has 2 yrs at the most to get one more ring and Elway is moving heaven and earth to make that happen. They will be in cap hell in a few years but that's the next QB's problem.  It's all about #18 as long as he's there.

 As the dearly departed ACL would say :
 
 Ding ! Ding !! Ding !!! Ding !!! Ding !!! We have a winner !
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Post by: VJ on March 14, 2014, 08:30:25 pm
NFLPA salary cap report (https://nflplayers.com/reports/RunPublicReport.aspx?report=top51)

spotrac salary cap report (http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nfl/)

Bears (I assume post-Tillman signing) have cap space between 8.5 to 9 million.

In comparison, the Raiduhs are 55 to 60 million under the cap.  Not sure what they're waiting for.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 14, 2014, 09:20:25 pm
<a href="https://nflplayers.com/reports/RunPublicReport.aspx?report=top51 (https://nflplayers.com/reports/RunPublicReport.aspx?report=top51)">NFLPA salary cap report

<a href="http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nfl/ (http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nfl/)">spotrac salary cap report

Bears (I assume post-Tillman signing) have cap space between 8.5 to 9 million.

In comparison, the Raiduhs are 55 to 60 million under the cap.  Not sure what they're waiting for.

 VJ as you know I am also a Raiduhs fan (sorry it just grows in on the West Coast)
 
 And whos the GM of da raiduhs ? A former Packer ?
 
 Makes one stop and think . There could be some **** flying.
 
 I been kicked down so long as a Raiduhs fan it looks like up to me.
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Post by: VJ on March 15, 2014, 06:57:51 am
ESPN's Paul Gutierrez reports Matt Schaub is the Raiders top quarterback target, but Mark Sanchez, free agent Josh Freeman, and free agent Michael Vick are also on their list. Analysis: Two of the four, Schaub and Sanchez, are not even free agents, though that is likely to change in the near future. The list is depressing, but it is even more depressing that each of these signal callers would be an upgrade over the quarterbacks currently on the Raiders' roster. Oakland would be wise to invest in a quarterback early in this year's draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8PyTo6NyXA
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 15, 2014, 02:13:40 pm
 
 They could get Johhny Football.
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Post by: packrat on March 15, 2014, 06:54:45 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on March 15, 2014, 5:20 PM EDT

Starks
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Last year, the Steelers passed twice on running back Eddie Lacy, opting instead for Le’Veon Bell in round two.  But passing on Lacy may have helped open the door for another tailback in Pittsburgh.

Packers free agent James Starks is available and unneeded in Green Bay.  Tyler Dunne of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that Starks will visit the Steelers on Monday.

Starks is well worth a shot.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 15, 2014, 07:00:20 pm
 
 Packy,
 
 OK if you insist about Starks.
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Post by: packrat on March 15, 2014, 07:03:47 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BixUFlgCcAEusvE.jpg)
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Post by: packrat on March 15, 2014, 07:05:39 pm

Mike Daniels         ✔   @Mike_Daniels76 
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Looking forward to line up next to/learn from one of the best pass rushers, Julius Peppers #SackTime Still complaining about free agency??

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Post by: packrat on March 15, 2014, 07:07:11 pm

Michael Neal        ✔   @mneal96 
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So we get Julius Peppers!!! LOL and we got BJ back...and we already got some dawgs!!! Well damn let the hunting begin!!! #GoPackGo

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Post by: packrat on March 15, 2014, 07:07:22 pm

Datone Jones        ✔   @IAM_Dat_One 
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Congrats bro. Have alot to learn from you #JuliusPeppers #VGHH #3&8

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Post by: packrat on March 15, 2014, 07:08:08 pm

Jake Stoneburner        ✔   @STONEYeleven 
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So sick ! RT“@SportsCenter: THIS JUST IN: DE Julius Peppers agrees to terms with Packers on 3-year deal.
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Post by: packrat on March 15, 2014, 07:08:38 pm

Mason Crosby        ✔   @crosbykicks2 
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Well glad Pepper's will now be trying to block my kicks in practice. At least he will be blocking everyone else in games. #lift

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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 15, 2014, 07:08:59 pm
Mike Daniels         ✔   @Mike_Daniels76 
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Looking forward to line up next to/learn from one of the best pass rushers, Julius Peppers #SackTime Still complaining about free agency??

 Well ... if you insist.
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Post by: packrat on March 15, 2014, 07:09:23 pm

Brian Carriveau   @BrianCarriveau 
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Psycho package front five: Mike Daniels, Datone Jones, Nick Perry, Clay Mathews, Julius Peppers? Just throwin' that out there.

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Post by: packrat on March 15, 2014, 07:10:56 pm
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/30105455/158434357.0_cinema_1050.0.jpg)

Howdy, Bro.
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Post by: packrat on March 15, 2014, 07:17:44 pm
Expectations are not for me; stats don’t necessarily have a lot of value in my book. You can have a great season without having great stats. My goal is to play football at a high level. I’m a pass rusher, so that’s going to be a big part of what I can do. Play hard and have an impact in every game,” Peppers added.

Peppers will be playing for Defensive Coordinator Dom Capers, who’s known for his blitzing, 3-4 defensive scheme, but Capers coached the Jaguars defense in 1999 to lofty rankings from within a 4-3 alignment. It’s important to note Tony Brackens enjoyed his best season as a pro that year, playing end in a 4-3 scheme that incorporated a lot of 3-4 principles.

“(Capers) likes to be versatile and do different things. That’s something I’ve wanted to do my whole career,” Peppers said.

“This team last year had a great offense, even when Aaron went down. The defense – I don’t know what they were missing. I definitey feel I can help them get to an elite level. Everything’s a perfect fit.”...
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Post by: packrat on March 15, 2014, 07:18:53 pm
Fills another position of need.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 15, 2014, 07:21:14 pm
 
 If I needed to get over on anybody for a paycheck Id say that too.
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Post by: Dave23 on March 15, 2014, 08:48:26 pm
Good laughs...
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Post by: Sportster on March 16, 2014, 01:26:33 am
Ought to be rather humorous and a bit sad to watch him try to play OLB at his age and degraded speed.
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Post by: Pekin on March 16, 2014, 01:54:31 am
He will make some plays here and there but he just does not have the game he used to have.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 16, 2014, 02:25:29 pm
 
 Which is why hes gone. That and the salary hit.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 17, 2014, 02:00:06 am
 
 
 
Lets keep an eye on this guy : Anthony Barr UCLA LB, sucked at the combine but bounced back since.

An LDE ?

The Detroit Lions didn’t do any open-of-business deals at the start of free agency Tuesday, but that doesn’t mean that they weren’t working.
Lions general manager Martin Mayhew spent part of Tuesday at UCLA’s pro day, where one of the draft’s top outside linebacker prospects, Anthony Barr, wowed scouts with his workout.

 UCLA coach Jim Mora tweeted that Barr ran a 4.44-second 40-yard dash Tuesday, significantly better than the 4.66 he ran at the NFL combine last month.
 
 A converted fullback who played just two seasons of defense in college, the 6-foot-5, 255-pound Barr had 23.5 sacks and 41.5 tackles for loss the last two seasons.
 
 He likely would play strongside linebacker in the Lions’ new defense and have pass-rushing responsibilities in sub packages or at
defensive end.

 The Lions, who pick 10th in May’s draft, are thin at linebacker and could lose one of their top pass rushers in free agency. Willie Young is visiting the Jacksonville Jaguars today.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Hey wait a minute ... Willie Young ? And Anthony Barr on CHICAGO BEARS ?
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Post by: 46 on March 17, 2014, 01:07:29 pm
Jim Irsay with multiple felony counts. Sure. Like that will happen. Someone needs to tell Jim there was only one Hunter S. Thompson, and he ain't him. At 54 he looks 75, and I'm bet you that
was after some surgical tune ups. Didn't learn from his old man.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 17, 2014, 05:26:54 pm
 
 46,
 
 Time for some Raul Duke.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2pgWsYSyUA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2pgWsYSyUA)
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Post by: 46 on March 17, 2014, 09:15:19 pm
One of the all time favorites.  "Duke" from Doonesbury after age 12 wasn't sober I'd guess for over 12 hours at a stretch. "filthy stuff".
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 18, 2014, 10:16:42 pm
Team-by-team salary cap space:

Oakland Raiders: $32,299,198
Cleveland Browns: $31,828,788
New York Jets: $27,899,282
Cincinnati Bengals: $26,607,666
Jacksonville Jaguars: $25,239,764
Miami Dolphins: $19,185,752
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $17,558,206
Green Bay Packers: $17,024,449
Indianapolis Colts: $16,730,795
Philadelphia Eagles: $16,203,629
Buffalo Bills: $15,590,046
Minnesota Vikings: $15,489,099
Seattle Seahawks: $15,213,737
Atlanta Falcons: $10,194,447
Houston Texans: $9,469,501
Tennessee Titans: $9,100,702
Baltimore Ravens: $9,061,187
St. Louis Rams: $8,999,358
New England Patriots: $8,804,036
Arizona Cardinals: $8,137,968
Denver Broncos: $7,642,337
Washington Redskins: $7,455,869
Carolina Panthers: $7,344,546
Dallas Cowboys: $7,162,442
Chicago Bears: $5,773,177
Kansas City Chiefs: $5,227,069
San Francisco 49ers: $3,726,835
New York Giants: $3,690,088
San Diego Chargers: $3,653,247
Detroit Lions: $2,204,330
Pittsburgh Steelers: $2,174,434
New Orleans Saints: $849,212
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: yapper on March 18, 2014, 10:25:12 pm
Interesting how 4 out of the 5 teams with the most cap space are really really bad. You'd think they'd have more incentive than anyone to try and turn things around with some impact FAs but apparently not.

Either that or nobody good wants to play for them. 
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 19, 2014, 04:55:38 am
It may be the latter.  I've read several articles that Oakland let their best defensive FA (Houston) and offensive FA (offensive lineman) walk even though they were young.  Apparently not wanting to tag them, but in turn, their team was not attractive enough for them to want to stay.
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Post by: packrat on March 19, 2014, 09:28:42 pm
Probably the owners of those teams just want to pocket more money for themselves.
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Post by: packrat on March 19, 2014, 09:29:05 pm
NFL owners will vote on moving kickoffs to the 40

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 19, 2014, 5:42 PM EDT

Super Bowl XLVII - Baltimore Ravens v San Francisco 49ers
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Three years after the NFL moved kickoffs from the 30-yard line to the 35, it may be time to move kickoffs five yards forward again.

The Competition Committee announced today that owners will vote at next week’s league meeting on whether to move kickoffs again, this time to the 40-yard line...
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2014, 10:14:05 pm
If that's the case wouldn't a kickoff through the uprights be considered a field goal?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 20, 2014, 03:38:44 pm
If that's the case wouldn't a kickoff through the uprights be considered a field goal?

 LOL ! Yeah if they move it to the 50 in the future thats FG range !
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 20, 2014, 03:45:36 pm
 
 One of the greatest return men in NFL history will join the Atlanta Falcons.
Devin Hester agreed to a three-year contract with the Falcons on Thursday, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported. The team later confirmed the news.
The Falcons desperately needed an upgrade in the return game. Atlanta ended 2013 10th in kickoff-return average (24.4) and 20th in punts (8.2) last season. They were also one of four teams in 2013 without a punt return over 25 yards or a kick return of over 50 yards, per ESPN's Field Yates.
Solely a returner with the Chicago Bears, Hester, 31, represents a major upgrade over Jacquizz Rodgers on kick returns and Robert McClain on punt returns.
Playing inside the Georgia Dome -- as opposed to the sloppy Soldier Field -- should aid Hester as he ages.
The return specialist is the NFL's all-time leader in punt return touchdowns (13) and total kick return touchdowns (18). Hester also returned a missed field-goal attempt 108 yards for a touchdown. Hester's 19 regular-season return TDs ties Hall of Famer Deion Sanders for the most in league history.
He will try to own the mark by himself with the Falcons.
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Post by: boogie on March 20, 2014, 07:10:47 pm
Cant wait to see if he got that $4 mil he was looking for.  LOL
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 21, 2014, 02:53:12 am
Cant wait to see if he got that $4 mil he was looking for.  LOL

 If so the Falcons are idiots and should be of no concern in the immediate future.  ;D
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Post by: boogie on March 21, 2014, 07:41:53 pm
Jets cut Sanchez and sign Vick.  LOL
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Post by: packrat on March 22, 2014, 07:11:09 pm
Both young safeties that competed for the Green Bay Packers’ starting job opposite Morgan Burnett last year are no longer with the team.

The Packers cut Jerron McMillian in the middle of last season, and didn't give M.D. Jennings a restricted free-agent tender offer earlier this week. Jennings signed a one-year contract with the Chicago Bears on Wednesday.

Jennings started all 16 games for the Packers last season, though their decision not to tender him was a clear sign that they didn’t expect him to be a starter this year even if they’d eventually re-signed him.

For now, the most likely candidate to start opposite Burnett is Micah Hyde, who’s expected to get an extensive look at safety after playing strictly as a cornerback last year as a rookie. The Packers also are a good bet to draft a safety this year and perhaps sign one in free agency.

It’s unclear whether the Bears signed Jennings as a possible starter at safety, or more as a backup and special-teams player.

The Packers also have set up visits with two free agents.

Defensive lineman Al Woods, who played with the Pittsburgh Steelers the last four years, will visit the Packers on Thursday. He was visiting Tennessee on Wednesday and will visit Arizona on Friday.

The 6-foot-4, 311-pound Woods, 26, had 16 tackles and two sacks for the Steelers last season. He's going into his fifth season.

Tight end Owen Daniels, cut last week by the Houston Texans, also is scheduled to visit the Packers. He played in college at Wisconsin.

The 6-3, 245-pound Daniels, 31, is going into his ninth season. He played in only five games last year, catching 24 passes for 252 yards, all career lows, and caught three touchdown passes.
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Post by: packrat on March 22, 2014, 07:34:58 pm
An NFL source said the Seattle Seahawks failed tight end Jermichael Finley on his physical during his recent visit to the team.

Finley is barely more than four months removed from neck surgery performed Nov. 14 to fuse his C-3/C-4 vertebrae. He made a free-agent visit to the Seahawks during the first week of free agency so the team’s medical staff could assess his recovery.

The source didn’t know whether the Seahawks will bring Finley back for a re-check. Though Finley has said he expected his surgeon to proclaim the bone in the neck fusion healed this month, that doesn’t mean NFL teams will clear him to play football, at least for now.

For one, Finley might have collateral issues in the neck that could be preventing him from passing a physical until or if they heal better. His initial injury included a spinal contusion.

Also, some doctors think C-3/C-4 fusions are too high up the neck to clear players, at least at some positions, because there are too few discs above to compensate for the fused disk...

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Post by: stelz on March 22, 2014, 10:19:28 pm
I thought Finley was going to be an unstoppable force...shows they are all human and all one play away.  Except for Green Bay quarterbacks who are seemingly indestructible...
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Post by: Pekin on March 22, 2014, 11:45:48 pm
Well it helps that Green Bay lineman are given a free license to hold and if anyone touches a Green Bay QB they get flagged for roughness.
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Post by: stelz on March 22, 2014, 11:55:00 pm
Point well taken...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 23, 2014, 07:05:03 pm
 
 Time to take some motherfuckers down. Im tired of this ****.
 
 We are about three years overdue on these creeps.
 
 Enough is enough.
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Post by: otto105 on March 23, 2014, 08:53:14 pm
Ain't going to happen.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 24, 2014, 07:03:17 pm
Ain't going to happen.

 Games havent been played yet.
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Post by: packrat on March 25, 2014, 08:08:10 pm
Posted by Darin Gantt on March 25, 2014, 3:43 PM EDT

Julius Peppers
AP

From the moment the Packers went against stereotype and signed former Bears defensive end Julius Peppers, the question became how they’d use him.

That has been answered, for now.

According to Jason Wilde of ESPNWisconsin.com, Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Peppers would work with the linebackers in practice, but would have multiple roles in the Packers defense.

While Peppers is athletically versatile enough (and good enough against the run) to play as a base end in a 3-4, that would also be a bit of a waste of his gifts.

By limiting his snaps (McCarthy said he’d play fewer than the 800 he played for the Bears last year) and using him as a hybrid “elephant” rusher opposite Clay Matthews, it gives them the possibility for a more dynamic rush.

McCarthy was also able to joke and say ”We’re just crushing it in free agency this year,” but the out-of-character addition, along with moving B.J. Raji back to nose tackle, should help solidify the Packers defense.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 25, 2014, 08:17:39 pm
 
 Packy,
 
 Interesting about Peppers but more intersting about Raji.
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Post by: Sportster on March 26, 2014, 07:31:23 am
Just 'crushing' it this year...yea, by adding a washed up Peppers....good luck with that.
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Post by: packrat on March 26, 2014, 02:55:03 pm
Posted by Darin Gantt on March 26, 2014, 12:39 PM EDT

Britain Steelers Vikings Football
AP

The Bears surprised the NFL by landing defensive end Jared Allen this morning, and he said there’s a reason they were able to keep it on the down low.

According to Ed Werder of ESPN, Allen said the Bears came into the picture at the last minute, with a deal that made him reconsider his other options.

Their guarantee of $15.5 million over the next two years slots him between the deal Julius Peppers got from the Packers and DeMarcus Ware’s windfall from the Broncos, which was enough for him to make an intra-divisional move from the Vikings.

Allen sent out a statement through his agents expressing his gratitude to the Vikings.

“I’d like to take a moment to thank my former teammates, coaches and the staff at the Minnesota Vikings for all of their inspiring work and dedication,” the statement said. “Perhaps more importantly I would like to thank the fans and the Minnesota community. I can only hope that I have left with you all with even a fraction of the positive support and impact you have had on my life, my foundation and my family.

“I am very excited about this next chapter in my career with the Chicago Bears and can’t wait to see what the future holds for us. God bless.”

And if the Bears hadn’t come in late with their offer, that next chapter might have been written somewhere else.

Do the Bears have the cap space to do this wisely or are they risking a cap-hell down the road?
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Post by: packrat on March 26, 2014, 03:05:23 pm
By now you have probably heard the news about the latest pass-rush specialist who signed with a division rival of his old NFC North team. No, I'm not talking about Julius Peppers right now. Instead, I'm talking about the newest Chicago Bears defensive end, Jared Allen. Allen signed a four-year deal worth $32 million overall and $15.5 million guaranteed to become a Bear for the foreseeable future.

Also in the news recently was the Packers' decision to keep rookie surprise David Bakhtiari at left tackle for the upcoming season. The fourth-round pick stepped in for the injured Bryan Bulaga and performed well enough at left tackle for the team to commit to him at that position moving forward.

Since Allen played right end in Minnesota (and likely will play there again in Chicago), these two players will likely be seeing more of each other this year. Therefore, we decided to take a look at Allen's performance against Bakhtiari in 2013 to see how the two handled each other.

Week 8

First up is the Packers' offensive explosion at the Metrodome in week 8, Green Bay's final game with a healthy Aaron Rodgers until the final week of the regular season. The Vikings had no answer on defense for the Packer offense, as Rodgers and company rolled up 44 points and 464 yards of offense. Let's take a look at the grades for Allen and Bakhtiari:

Player Overall Grade Pass Block/Rush Run Block/Defense Penalty Sacks Allowed/By QB Hits Allowed/By QB Hurries Allowed/By
David Bakhtiari +0.2 +1.1 -0.4 -0.5 0 0 1
Jared Allen -1.3 -2.0 +0.4 +0.3 0 0 1

In this game, Bakhtiari played all 77 snaps, while Allen played 62. You can see that in pass protection, Bakh handled Allen entirely, keeping him to just a single hurry while not allowing him to touch Rodgers. Allen had more success against the run, but the Packers' play-calling kept running backs Eddie Lacy and James Starks generally on the inside of Bakhtiari, only running six times to his outside (mostly tosses to the edge rather than off-tackle) with minimal success (9 yards). Their greatest success came running the ball between Bakhtiari and left guard Josh Sitton, averaging six yards per carry through that gap.

Week 12

The rematch in Lambeau Field saw a very different offense take the field. Scott Tolzien started the game before being pulled in favor of Matt Flynn at halftime. This led to a more predictable offense that featured the run more heavily. Still, Bakhtiari had a good showing in the passing game, but he struggled mightily against the run.

Player Overall Grade Pass Block/Rush Run Block/Defense Penalty Sacks Allowed/By QB Hits Allowed/By QB Hurries Allowed/By
Bakhtiari -1.1 +1.1 -2.9 +0.7 0 1 3
Allen +1.2 -0.6 +3.4 -1.6 0 3 4

This is a little bit of a remarkable stat line - Allen ended up with a negative pass-rushing grade, despite recording seven combined pressures. As you can see, however, Minnesota lined him up at various places along the defensive line, perhaps taking advantage of Marshall Newhouse, who started at right tackle in place of the injured Don Barclay. Still, the positive grade for Bakhtiari in the passing game suggests that he was able to handle Allen well when the two were indeed matched up across from each other. Further study of game tape will be needed to determine exactly how many of Allen's snaps placed him at the right end spot, however.

Those run grades, though, tell a very different story. It is plain to see that Allen crushed Bakhtiari in that phase of the game, as this was by far Allen's best-graded game against the run and was Bakhtiari's worst. Still, the team's overall production running to the left was not terrible, as Eddie Lacy totaled ten rushes for 54 yards (5.4 yards per carry) either to Bakhtiari's inside shoulder or to the left end. The grades show Bakhtiari getting beat regularly, but Lacy's vision and ability to make people miss (10 total missed tackles forced in that game and four on runs near Bakhtiari) helped make up for poor blocking from the Packers' left tackle.

Overall Impressions

It appears that in two games, Bakhtiari handled Jared Allen's pass rush very well, especially considering the youth and inexperience of the Packers' left tackle. He allowed no sacks and just a single hit on the quarterback over two games. The grades for Bakhtiari bear out what we believe him to be - a talented tackle who has good pass-blocking technique but who needs to bulk up and develop a better push in the running game. A full off-season in the Packers' strength and conditioning program should help him elevate his game to that point.

Allen, on the other hand, will likely replace the departed Peppers at right end in Chicago. However, looking back to his grades through the 2008 season, his track record is clear: he excelled in rushing the passer (until 2013, at least, when he received a pass-rush grade of -4.1) but has typically struggled defending the run. I will not say that one can ignore his performance against the run in Green Bay last year, but I will say that there were mitigating circumstances (namely Aaron Rodgers' absence) that may have contributed to his being more effective in defending the run.

At the very least, the grades for Bakhtiari and Allen in the passing game from their two 2013 matchups should make Packers fans optimistic that Allen will not be spending much time bothering Aaron Rodgers in the backfield in 2014, regardless of which colors he is wearing.

Small_acmepackingcompany
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Post by: navigator on March 26, 2014, 03:43:42 pm
it would be interesting to see a similar report on the Packers newly signed Julius Peppers :-)
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 27, 2014, 12:59:35 am
 
 Did you ever get the impression that Jared Allen all along was meant to be a CHICAGO BEAR?
 
 Like Alan Page.
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Post by: Sportster on March 27, 2014, 10:50:04 am
Sadly for Packers fans this does not take into account Houston rushing in from the OTHER side.....let's meet at Rodgers!! Plus Ratliff and the newly acquired DT up the middle....think things are going to be a 'little' different this season....
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Post by: wmljohn on March 27, 2014, 01:37:43 pm
Quote
Sadly for Packers fans this does not take into account Houston rushing in from the OTHER side.....let's meet at Rodgers!! Plus Ratliff and the newly acquired DT up the middle....think things are going to be a 'little' different this season....

I think the Packers fans should worry more about Shae blizing from the LB position behind an Allen stunt.  I know Rodgers will....
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Post by: packrat on March 27, 2014, 02:43:02 pm
Maybe the NFLN will finally be a strong division.   Top teams last season 8-7-1 and 8-8.
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Post by: navigator on March 28, 2014, 12:00:26 pm
he gawn...
DeSean Jackson released by Eagles.
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 28, 2014, 12:06:59 pm
Hmmmmm!!!
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Post by: Dave23 on March 28, 2014, 12:24:11 pm
Man, if we had the money...
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Post by: navigator on March 28, 2014, 12:33:06 pm
it was mentioned he was cut due to behavioral issues and some ties to gangs in the area as well as counting about 13M against their cap this season.
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Post by: Dave23 on March 28, 2014, 12:38:35 pm
oh...man, if you're described as having "behavioral issues" in Philly...you must be messed up pretty bad...

Raiders can have him...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 28, 2014, 12:59:53 pm
oh...man, if you're described as having "behavioral issues" in Philly...you must be messed up pretty bad...

Raiders can have him...

 And they have the cap space to sign him.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 03, 2014, 06:31:47 pm
 
 Following shoulder surgery, Bears safety Chris Conte will miss four to five months.
 
 If I knew I was going to be cut , with a slick agent I'd pull this off too.
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Post by: navigator on April 04, 2014, 10:38:59 am
why wouldn't he have had the surgery after the end of the season.
it seems dumb to me unless it was a new injury to wait.
Conte needs TC to have a chance at playing well.
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Post by: boogie on April 04, 2014, 11:32:38 am
He claims the injury is from 2012.  Very fishy indeed. 
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Post by: Sportster on April 04, 2014, 03:29:01 pm
Conte and playing well don't go together. Cut him.....
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 04, 2014, 06:35:02 pm
 
 Hey WML,
 
 Major Wright signed with Lovie.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 04, 2014, 06:56:31 pm
 
 
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Post by: Sportster on April 04, 2014, 07:48:17 pm
Lovie....twofer??? Take Conte too?? Heck, we'll throw him in for ya, that's how we roll!!
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Post by: Pekin on April 04, 2014, 07:55:01 pm
I think I will be more excited about news Conte is cut then any free agency signing we had.  I am not kidding when I say I think he was throwing games.  Dude owed someone money.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 04, 2014, 08:20:18 pm
Well if your 2 starting safetys are gone or likely gone that should make the draft that much more important
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 04, 2014, 08:38:27 pm
Well if your 2 starting safetys are gone or likely gone that should make the draft that much more important

 Hey Wsh,
 
 Can you through up the top safetys for the 2014 draft ?
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Post by: boogie on April 04, 2014, 09:47:33 pm
Clinton-Dix and Pryor.  Some have Jimmie Ward in the bottom of the first also.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 04, 2014, 09:57:27 pm
Yup! Unless there are others less heralded out there that Emery has his eye on by the time we draft in the 2nd all the super safetys will be gone
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on April 05, 2014, 05:48:08 am
Yes and no.  The highly touted ones will be gone and the lesser knowns ... well who knows?  The giant safety that Seattle played last year... Cam something went in the fifth round.  And as we know, even the highly touted sometimes don't work out.

Avoid safety in the first and get a defensive tackle
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 05, 2014, 07:28:47 am
Yeah, agreed, we need more Meltons and Paeas. I don't see any Suhs.
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Post by: boogie on April 05, 2014, 08:39:36 am
And if memory serves me correct, Conte was a lesser known safety.  ;(
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Post by: davebear on April 05, 2014, 08:46:32 am
Conte was a corner moved to safety
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Post by: boogie on April 05, 2014, 08:52:36 am
Lets stay away from projects like that.  Hardin was a CB moved to S too, although he was hurt his entire senior year.  Sigh.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 05, 2014, 05:59:28 pm
 
 DT in the first and Safety in the second ? Seems like it.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 05, 2014, 09:18:27 pm
I don't believe there is a safety worth a 2nd round grade left after the 1st 3 go in the 1st.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 05, 2014, 09:37:59 pm
 
 Wsh,
 
 Lets look at that ... if no safety in the second ... DLine being what it is ,
 
 a second DL in the second round ?
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Post by: packrat on April 07, 2014, 07:50:04 pm
14. Chicago Bears: Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
The Bears have added several defensive ends in free agency, but only brought in tackle Jay Ratliff with the hopes he's healthy. The need for a defensive tackle is still present for Chicago. Choosing between Donald and Louis Nix of Notre Dame isn't quite as easy as you may think. Nix probably gives them more versatility, but Donald offers more playmaking potential.

TRADE: 21. Kansas City Chiefs (from Green Bay): Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State

Kansas City gives up this year's first- and fifth-round pick to Green Bay in exchange for the No. 21 pick.

Trading up could be problematic for the Chiefs this year since they don't have a second-round pick. But if Cooks is the receiver they want, they might have to hop ahead of Philadelphia to get him. That's the sole reasoning behind this choice. Besides, trading up just two spots wouldn't cost much.

TRADE: 23. Green Bay Packers (from Kansas City): C.J. Mosley, MLB, Alabama
While the Packers wouldn't get much in return from this type of trade, they can still get a perfect fit for their defense in Mosley while getting another chip for Ted Thompson with which to play. Mosley would make for a good tandem with A.J. Hawk. He can drop in coverage and blitz the quarterback.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 07, 2014, 07:55:13 pm
 
 Yea Packy I'd hate to see Mosley on the Packers.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 07, 2014, 08:15:38 pm
 
 BEARS have signed long snapper Chad Rempel to a 3 year contract.
 
 Spent the last 10 seasons in the CFL.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 07, 2014, 08:46:49 pm
Whats that say?
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Post by: Keysbear on April 07, 2014, 08:49:19 pm
I'm guessing just a plan B in case Mannelly's rehab goes badly
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 09, 2014, 04:25:05 pm
 
 It says that quality long snappers are hard to come by.
 
 The longest playing Long Snapper in the NFL ... our guy.
 
 Backed up by 10 years in CFL ... our other guy.
 
 Ok ... the draft in 2014 .. hire a Long Snapper in 6B?
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Post by: guest118 on April 10, 2014, 05:09:50 pm
San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick is named as a suspect in a “suspicious incident” in a report filed last week by the Miami Police Department.

Quinton Patton, a 49ers wide receiver, and Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Ricardo Lockette, a close friend of Kaepernick, were also named as “suspects” in the report filed by a woman who told police she woke up in a hospital and did not know how she got there.

"There's no evidence of a crime or a sexual assault," Miami Police spokesman Rene Pimental told the Bay Area News Group. "This report is simply an incident report taken at the woman's request."

Kaepernick and Patton, who is entering his second NFL season, have been working out in Miami at Bonmarito Performance Systems since the second week of February.

Kaepernick and Lockette formed a tight friendship during Lockette's time on the 49ers' practice squad in 2012 and during the offseason. The 49ers released Lockette, a wide receiver, in training camp and he finished the season with the Super Bowl-winning Seahawks.

The alleged victim reported to police that on April 1 at approximately 9 p.m., she visited Lockette's apartment. Kaepernick and Patton were also there. She said she mixed drinks and prepared shots for them and was told that in order to drink the shots, she had to "hit" the bong, which contained marijuana, according to the police report.

She said to police that she began to feel light-headed and went to a bedroom to lie down. Kaepernick, with whom she said she had a previous sexual relationship, followed her into the bedroom. They did not have sex, she told police.
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Post by: boogie on April 11, 2014, 02:02:57 pm
Johnny Football scored a 32 on the Wonderlic.  His stock is going to be going up.  LOL
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 11, 2014, 03:42:19 pm
 
 Wonderlic scores from various QB's past and present.
 
 
Ryan Fitzpatrick (48)
Alex Smith (40)
Eli Manning (39)
Colin Kaepernick (38)
Andrew Luck (37)
Tony Romo (37)
Aaron Rodgers (35)
Tom Brady (33)
JOHNNY MANZIEL (32)
Peyton Manning (28)
Russell Wilson (24)
Robert Griffin III (24)
Tim Tebow (22)
Dan Marino (15)
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 11, 2014, 06:19:14 pm
 
 Who are THE CHICAGO BEARS ?
 
 You may recall the SEATTLE SEAHAWKS from last year.

They didnt spend years jacking around ... in their upgraded position they just went there and DID it !

We need to be upgraded in that capacity also.

What the Seahawks did ... was erase the past and start over.

Because its not and nor ever will it be ... 1986 ever again.

This gentlemen ... is the wakeup call ... in the year of our Lord ... 2014.

Lets get to work on beating the living **** out of the NFL.

Anything less when it comes to THE CHICAGO BEARS ... is failure.
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Post by: boogie on April 11, 2014, 07:02:22 pm
The thing about the Wonderlic, I think you can get coached up to do really well, just like the ACT prep stuff.  Although it is a general indication of smartness/learning ability.  I guess that is a good sign for Johnny.  ;)
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 11, 2014, 07:19:31 pm
The thing about the Wonderlic, I think you can get coached up to do really well, just like the ACT prep stuff.  Although it is a general indication of smartness/learning ability.  I guess that is a good sign for Johnny.  ;)

 At least we dont need him. But the wonderlic does point out smarts as to who we may draft.
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Post by: packrat on April 11, 2014, 09:00:44 pm
Another factor affecting Wunderlic scores is the speed with which the person being tested can respond to the questions being asked and that definitely DOES factor into a QB's ability to succeed in the game.  Many QBs fail due to inability to quickly read defenses.

Quick reads definitely help a QB to succeed.
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Post by: packrat on April 15, 2014, 07:30:12 pm
According to numerous reports citing multiple red flags and off the field concerns, NFL General Managers have taken every eligible player off their draft boards.

"I don't think anyone is going to get drafted this year," said one high profile executive. "The value's just not there to waste a high pick on any amateur football players, and you don't get ahead in the NFL by reaching. I don't like anyone and I think they are all divas and overrated."

The NFL Draft has become an entertainment event of its own recently, drawing larger TV audiences than some NBA Finals games. This year many league sources believe that the draft could yield record ratings despite the fact that no one will be selected at all according to one talent evaluator.

"None of these players have ever won a Super Bowl. I sat down and watched film on these guys and it became apparent pretty quickly that all these games were played on Saturdays. Not a single guy has any experience playing on Sundays. See now, that's a red flag to me. Shoot, all these guys have so many red flags I'd make a parachute and take my chances jumping out of a single-engine aircraft before I would draft them."

When reached for comment, one fan of the New York Jets was not happy with this strategy, "Boo" he said. "There (sic) all bums."

ESPN's Jon Gruden confirmed what we heard from front office people. "Man I just like all the current NFL players too much to take a chance on a rookie. These guys can play, I'll tell ya, I like what I see. You don't win championships by changing horses in midstream unless you've got a broken down old mare named Dungy."

One high-ranking league official seemed to agree, saying, "this is my job on the line here. If you swing and miss on a first rounder, your career's done.
 
one NFL scout told us that their investigations turned up "significant" concerns for every single player.
 
"There's no sure-fire elite player in this class, and to be honest I don't see one until Marshall Manning's NFL-ready in 2034. I've got Tom Savage graded out as a possible seventh rounder, he's a pro-guy, pocket-guy, big arm, throw-maker, but the value's just not there to take anyone before Sunday. You don't get ahead by drafting 6th round talent in the 3rd, I don't care how many college awards they've won. This is the NFL."

With so much money on the line, NFL teams conduct rigorous background checks to make sure that they're not throwing their money away on a player with character issues. Speaking on the condition on anonymity, one NFL scout told us that their investigations turned up "significant" concerns for every single player.

"Well first of all, everyone in this draft has watched pornography online. Many of them drink alcohol, which as we all know is closely associated with gang activity between the years 1920 and 1929. You have to make better decisions than that about who you're choosing to hang out with. So that's number one. Number two is the work ethic. None of these guys have ever even had a job. I worked my way through college. They've got no idea what it's like to earn a paycheck or be a professional.

"Many NFL employees have spent their whole lives working for the NFL- guys like your Schottenheimers and your Kyle Shanahans and your Chris Polians were raised the right way. Now you're asking me to take a guy off the street? I was born at night, but not last night.

"Sorry," he added.

Another GM was kind enough to let us inside his team's war room which just had a blank draft chart and binders of scouting reports. He was quite candid with his assessment, saying "We're going 'best player available' all weekend. Turnovers absolutely kill you in this league and a vacated pick never threw an interception."

Nevertheless, ESPN is planning on expanding its draft day coverage this year by adding a  four hour pre-game special followed by three days of Chris Berman and Mel Kiper, Jr. on live television speaking extemporaneously.

:-(
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Post by: packrat on April 15, 2014, 07:42:06 pm
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Instead, the number selection confirms that the Packers view Peppers primarily as an outside linebacker, as he will wear a number more typically given to a player in that unit:
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 15, 2014, 08:51:31 pm
 
 Packy,
 
 Great article about this years crop of draffties.
 
 The best players have always come out of the tank as child rapists ,
 
 serial killers and minor stick up dudes of 7-11.
 
 WHO YA DRAFTING ?
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Post by: boogie on April 16, 2014, 01:49:34 pm
Lets hope he is a Tigers fan:

Jadeveon Clowney won’t be doing a lot of extra workouts for teams, because frankly, he doesn’t need to.

But that’s not stopping him from seeing more of America than he needs to.

According to Tim Twentyman of the Lions official website, Clowney was visiting Detroit today.

That’s interesting on a few fronts: A) Because Michigan ain’t exactly Aruba this time of year and B) the Lions pick 10th in the upcoming draft.

People can malign Clowney’s work ethic all they want, the guy’s not slipping to the 10th spot, so his decision to visit with the team picking 10th is curious.

Unless they’re not planning on picking 10th.

With big numbers at the top of their salary cap, and perhaps sensing some pressure to win now, the Lions may be considering a move. It would be a strong statement to pair a premier edge rusher with Ndamukong Suh, and allow the Lions to attack in multiple ways.

Or maybe Clowney’s just a big Tigers fan.
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Post by: packrat on April 16, 2014, 02:31:01 pm
Posted by Josh Alper on April 16, 2014, 2:34 PM EDT

Clay Matthews

Packers linebacker Clay Matthews is feeling good on a couple of fronts these days.

Matthews’ thumb is feeling better after a pair of injuries led to season-ending surgery in December and the opposite side of the Packers defense is looking more imposing after they signed Julius Peppers following Peppers’ departure from the Bears. Matthews thinks Peppers’ arrival is going to lead to more chances to get to the quarterback.

“This guy’s [6-7], 290. I’m 6-4 on a good day and 255,” Matthews said, via Tom Pelissero of USA Today. “They’re going to double the big guy, and that leaves plenty of opportunities for me. I haven’t had too many one-on-one opportunities, and when you do, you’re expected to win — at least in our locker room — the majority of the time, because that’s supposed to be a mismatch.”

A healthy Matthews should win a fair amount of those battles and he said that he doesn’t expect to do much at OTAs to limit the risk of a third injury to his thumb. He expects to be all systems go for training camp and a pairing with the best pass rusher he’s had across from him in Green Bay.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 16, 2014, 03:09:29 pm
That sounds dangerous on paper
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Post by: Pekin on April 16, 2014, 04:16:35 pm
No one doubles Peppers any more.  Especially with Matthews on the same line.
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Post by: packrat on April 16, 2014, 04:17:15 pm
Yeah.  You never know whether or not it will work out that way but it's a plan.
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Post by: boogie on April 16, 2014, 06:02:48 pm
Last year Peppers was only getting one blocker and STILL not getting any pressure.  Good luck with that, unless he finds Reggie White's jock strap or something.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 16, 2014, 06:07:24 pm
Haha. Good one.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 17, 2014, 12:12:47 am
 
 If the Packers could sign Urlacher back into the game ...
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Post by: navigator on April 17, 2014, 07:53:59 am
they might be able to lure Michael Strahan out of retirement!
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 17, 2014, 08:16:59 am
I think Strahan has other better paying gigs.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 17, 2014, 06:29:44 pm
 
 Do you think Kelly Ripa's clit fits between Strahans gap toothed front teeth ?
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Post by: boogie on April 17, 2014, 06:53:23 pm
Ouch, that has got to hurt.  ;)
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 17, 2014, 07:49:27 pm
Ouch, that has got to hurt.  ;)

 
 K-Y jelly .. or the old standby ... spit.
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Post by: Pekin on April 19, 2014, 03:48:46 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/19/raiders-plan-to-cut-pryor-on-monday-if-they-cant-trade-him/

I wonder if the Bears have any interest.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 19, 2014, 04:36:19 pm
I wonder too. Ya never know
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 23, 2014, 05:07:18 pm
 
 Well heres one that fits on this forum as being draft related because it could stop other NFC teams.
 
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Post by: packrat on April 30, 2014, 09:03:23 pm

Vic Ketcham

Best available player likely to address need

Ohio State LB Ryan Shazier

GREEN BAY—Draft analyst Tony Pauline says the Packers are in a perfect spot at pick No. 21 to select the best available player.

“If I’m the Packers I grab the best available player with that pick because where they’re drafting the best available player should fit their need,” Pauline told packers.com.

Pauline said he has recently updated his value board, moving safeties Calvin Pryor and “Ha Ha” Clinton-Dix so they sandwich the Packers’ pick. Pauline ranks Pryor as the 20th-best player in the draft and Clinton-Dix as the No. 24 overall prospect. Defensive tackle Louis Nix is at No. 21 and linebacker Ryan Shazier is at No. 22 on Pauline’s board.

“I’ve moved things around slightly. Several guys have moved down,” Pauline said in explaining his decision to move the two safeties up his board. Early in the evaluation period, Pauline didn’t include a safety among the top 32 picks of the draft. He’s also moved Shazier up the board in recent updates.

Who has Pauline moved down? “Teddy Bridgewater, Timmy Jernigan, Bradley Roby, RaShede Hageman,” he said.

“I’m hearing there are medical red flags on C.J. Mosley. It’s the M.O. of Alabama players,” Pauline added. He continues to rank Mosley high, No. 15 overall.

“Mike Evans is flying up draft boards. A lot of teams didn’t see a big separation between Evans and Sammy Watkins. I’m hearing he could go before Watkins. If he doesn’t go to the Browns at four, the Raiders could take him,” Pauline said of a player who could have a major impact on how the early picks fall.

The most important strategic pick of the draft?

“Right now, it’s Houston. They’d be apt to make a trade down and take (quarterback) Blake Bortles later on,” Pauline said, referring to a possible trade by the Falcons into the top spot to select defensive end Jadeveon Clowney. The asking price will likely decide that issue.

“I don’t know that Clowney takes that team over the top,” Pauline said.

“There are a lot of people who think there are 42 first-round talents in this draft. I think there are only 20-21 first-round players, but I believe there are 45-50 players that have second-round grades. People keep talking about how deep the draft is. That’s why it’s so deep,” Pauline added.

Where is it deepest?

“It’s great at receiver. You don’t have any Calvin Johnsons but you have tremendous depth. You’re going to get receivers on the last day of the draft that can help as rookies,” Pauline said.

Tight end?

“The second round might be (the Packers’) area, and there are some projects later in the draft. A.C. Leonard, 6-2, 252, ran a 4.53 at the combine. He looks and plays like a possession receiver in a tight end body. He’s a talent. Richard Rodgers is another guy.”

Developmental quarterback?

“Logan Thomas, Jeff Matthews (6-4, 223) of Cornell has a big-time arm. Tajh Boyd has tremendous physical skills but he needs work from the ground up. I hear Rex Ryan loves him,” Pauline added.

The pre-draft hype continues as the countdown begins toward the May 8 kickoff to the three-day event.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 02, 2014, 06:38:01 pm
 
 Packy its coming up to the snakeline ...
 
 how do you wish the Packers would draft?
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Post by: packrat on May 02, 2014, 07:52:06 pm
I really don't know.  I'll trust TT as usual.  It will probably be a surprise.  After losing 3 or 4  draft choices to injuries I'm afraid of picking anyone with injury history.

A CB might be a good choice.

Some would-be GMs are saying a lot of draftees have quite a bit of baggage this draft.
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Post by: packrat on May 05, 2014, 07:25:18 pm

By Evan "Tex" Western  @TexWestern  on May 5 2014, 10:00a  17 

Benny Sieu-USA TODAY Sports
The Packers are favored in eight of the ten games which have early point spreads available.

The NFL is always a huge money-maker for Las Vegas casinos, and the 2014 will likely be no different. The Las Vegas Hilton is one of the first casinos to release odds for games past week one, releasing odds this morning for 80 more games in 2014.

The Hilton announced spreads for each Week 1 matchup about two weeks ago.

Of interest for Green Bay Packers fans are nine games whose odds were just released. In addition to the season-opener in Seattle against the Seahawks which was announced earlier, here are the spreads for the other games which are now available for betting in Vegas:

Week Opponent Favorite/Underdog Point Spread
1 @ Seahawks Underdog +5.5
3 @ Lions  Favorite -2
4 @ Bears  Favorite -1
5 vs. Vikings  Favorite -9
7 vs. Panthers  Favorite -5.5
8 @ Saints  Underdog +3.5
10 vs. Bears Favorite -6.5
11 vs. Eagles  Favorite -4.5
14 vs. Falcons  Favorite -6.5
17 vs. Lions Favorite -3.5

Is anyone surprised that the Packers are heavy favorites in several of these games? They are only underdogs in two of ten games, and in the eight games that they are favored, the spread is more than 5 points in half of them. In fact, the line against the Vikings in week 5 is the second-largest spread of any game known so far, behind only the Eagles-Jaguars game in week 1 which has Philadelphia favored by 11.

As always, point spreads are given for entertainment purposes only.

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Post by: packrat on May 05, 2014, 07:31:46 pm
By Evan "Tex" Western  @TexWestern  on May 3 2014, 1:00p  3 

 USA TODAY Sports
APC's mock draft wraps up round two and looks ahead to who would still be out there in round three.
In case you missed it during the week, Acme Packing Company finished up the second round of our 2014 Mock NFL Draft. Here are the results from round two, as well as the best players remaining as we head into the third round.

Round 2 Recap

Pick Team Player Position School
33 Houston Texans Demarcus Lawrence OLB Boise State
34 Washington Redskins Calvin Pryor S Louisville
35 Cleveland Browns Ja'Wuan James OT Tennessee
36 Oakland Raiders Derek Carr QB Fresno State
37 Atlanta Falcons Kyle Van Noy OLB BYU
38 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jimmy Garoppolo QB Eastern Illinois
39 Jacksonville Jaguars Davante Adams WR Fresno State
40 Minnesota Vikings David Yankey G Stanford
41 Buffalo Bills Jimmie Ward S Northern Illinois
42 Tennessee Titans Carlos Hyde RB Ohio State
43 New York Giants Joel Bitonio OT/G Nevada
44 St. Louis Rams Allen Robinson WR Penn State
45 Detroit Lions Dominique Easley DT Florida
46 Pittsburgh Steelers Lamarcus Joyner CB/S Florida State
47 Dallas Cowboys Jason Verrett CB TCU
48 Baltimore Ravens Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
49 New York Jets Jeremiah Attaochu OLB Georgia Tech
50 Miami Dolphins Chris Borland ILB Wisconsin
51 Chicago Bears Kelcy Quarles DT South Carolina
52 Arizona Cardinals Zach Mettenberger QB LSU
53 Green Bay Packers Stephon Tuitt DE Notre Dame
54 Philadelphia Eagles Terrence Brooks S Florida State
55 Cincinnati Bengals Morgan Moses OT Virginia
56 San Francisco 49ers (from KC) Keith McGill CB Utah
57 San Diego Chargers Cody Latimer WR Indiana
58 New Orleans Saints Pierre Desir CB Lindenwood
59 Indianapolis Colts Deone Bucannon S Washington State
60 Carolina Panthers Donte Moncrief WR Ole Miss
61 San Francisco 49ers Trent Murphy OLB Stanford
62 New England Patriots Jace Amaro TE Texas Tech
63 Denver Broncos Carl Bradford OLB Arizona State
64 Seattle Seahawks Cameron Fleming OT Stanford

For the Packers, there are still plenty of talented players left for their two picks in round three. According to SB Nation's top 200 board, here are the top players still available.

Rank Player Position School
39 Antonio Richardson OT Tennessee
41 Scott Crichton DE Oregon State
46 Jarvis Landry WR LSU
47 Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE Washington
51 Troy Niklas TE Notre Dame
52 Andre Hal CB Vanderbilt
54 Antone Exum CB Virginia Tech
57 Gabe Jackson G Mississippi State
58 DaQuan Jones DT Penn State
59 Jack Mewhort
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 08, 2014, 08:52:31 pm
 
 Well the Rams beat us to Donald so we went with the other need :
 
 Secondary with Kyle Fuller CB. No complaints.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 08, 2014, 11:32:09 pm
 
 LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- Despite veterans Charles Tillman (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4493/charles-tillman) and Tim Jennings (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9648/tim-jennings) being firmly locked into the starting cornerback spots for the Chicago Bears (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/chi/chicago-bears), don’t assume the team wasted a pick Thursday when it selected Virginia Tech’s Kyle Fuller (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/33087/kyle-fuller) at No. 14.

In drafting Fuller, the Bears addressed the future at the position while also adding a versatile Day 1 starter.


  (http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0428/nfl_g_fuller1x_65x90.jpg)Fuller “Obviously a player picked that high, we expect him to contribute his first year,” general manager Phil Emery said. “With the number of multiple wideout sets you face, we expect him to come in and contribute right away, and as time permits and our roster change over time like they all do, to be a starter on the outside.”

But right now, Fuller is pretty much a sure bet to be the club’s Week 1 starter at nickel corner. Sure, it would be easy to try to minimize the value of the nickel corner in Chicago’s defense. But what’s important to realize is that Fuller will play more than the team’s starting strongside linebacker in 2014. Why? Because the Bears play nickel more than they play base personnel.

Historically, during Emery’s tenure in Chicago, the Bears have operated out of nickel between 54 and 60 percent of all defensive snaps, he said. That means Fuller will be on the field quite a bit. What’s more is Fuller’s versatility allows the Bears to be more creative with the scheme and how they deploy him. Emery has already said Fuller can play inside against tight ends or bigger slot receivers, but he also can move outside against speedier pass-catchers.

“We see him as a guy that has a lot of versatility in terms of coverage, in terms of covering different types of athletes. That’s where his length really helps him,” Emery said. “You can see him on tape covering the North Carolina tight end [No. 10 overall pick Eric] Ebron (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago-bears/post/_/id/4691964/%3Ca%20href=%22http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/33617/eric-ebron%22%3EEric%20Ebron%3C/a%3E). You see him cover inside slots or bigger receivers. You see him cover outside. This is a corner that had 173 tackles in his career, 123 solos; a corner with 23½ tackles for loss. You don’t see that every day; 4½ sacks, six picks, 28 PBUs (pass breakups). [He’s a] versatile, tough, hard-nosed, smart football player and a great person on top of that. He’s got run-support toughness. There wasn’t any reason not to take Kyle Fuller.”

Fuller embodies what Emery and defensive coordinator Mel Tucker covet in the players the club looks to add to the defense moving forward. He’s versatile, athletic and tough. He has played nickel/whip linebacker at Virginia Tech as well as corner.

Interestingly, Bears special-teams coordinator Joe DeCamillis rated Fuller as the best special-teams player in the draft. So he’ll contribute there, too, this season.

“Coming in, I like feel they know I can play corner or nickel; possibility of safety, whatever it is. I’m a versatile player," Fuller said. "I know they’ll put me in the best situation for myself and the team."[/s]
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Post by: Sportster on May 08, 2014, 11:34:33 pm
I are confuseded.......
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 09, 2014, 12:14:14 am
I are confuseded.......

 Yeah I know, when I pasted it ... it was there,not before that.
 
 Damned if I know what thats about. Anyways a good article.
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Post by: wmljohn on May 12, 2014, 06:57:59 am
There was a {s} to make a singular word plural or something like that.  Except it was [] and not {}.  That is the code for strikethrough.

I fixed it.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 12, 2014, 03:55:31 pm
Thanx Wml
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 20, 2014, 12:00:30 am
 
 Vegas lays the odds for wins in 2014.
 
 Denver Broncos -- 11
Seattle Seahawks -- 11
New England Patriots -- 10.5
San Francisco Patriots -- 10.5
Green Bay Packers -- 10
New Orleans Saints -- 9.5
Indianapolis Colts -- 9.5
Cincinnati Bengals -- 9
Philadelphia Eagles -- 9
Baltimore Ravens -- 8.5
Pittsburgh Steelers -- 8.5
Detroit Lions -- 8
Chicago Bears -- 8
Atlanta Falcons -- 8
Carolina Panthers -- 8
Kansas City Chiefs -- 8
San Diego Chargers -- 8
Dallas Cowboys -- 8
Miami Dolphins -- 8
Houston Texans -- 7.5
New York Giants -- 7.5
Arizona Cardinals -- 7.5
St. Louis Rams -- 7.5
Washington Redskins -- 7.5
Tennessee Titans -- 7
Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- 7
New York Jets -- 7
Cleveland Browns -- 6.5
Buffalo Bills -- 6.5
Minnesota Vikings -- 6
Oakland Raiders -- 5
Jacksonville Jaguars -- 4.5
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 20, 2014, 06:26:16 am
Thanks JJ for posting that. The remainder of that I posted with that link down at the bottom.
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Post by: packrat on May 21, 2014, 07:28:48 pm
Five best offenses in the NFL in 2014:

by Erik Lambert 1d ago 

Denver reigned supreme in 2013 as the best NFL offense.  Will anyone unseat them in 2014?  Here are the top five projected.

#5 – Detroit Lions

Things have approached a zenith for the Detroit Lions.  Their core talent is in their prime and the window for seizing a championship won’t get much better.  At the center of it is their offense.  Already laden with proven commodities like Calvin Johnson, Reggie Bush and Matthew Stafford, the team used the 2014 off-season to hopefully bring it all together.  They added solid receiver Golden Tate in free agency to help compliment Johnson and then grabbed dynamic tight end Eric Ebron in the draft.  Combined with an offensive line that allowed just 23 sacks in 2013, the Lions are poised to debut in the top 5.

#4 – Chicago Bears

Talent is what drove the Chicago Bears offense to heights it hasn’t seen in decades.  Despite injuries at quarterback they finished 2013 eighth in total offense and second in scoring.  However, it’s no longer skill but stability that will bring about improvement for them in year two under head coach Marc Trestman.  Their three-headed monster of Brandon Marshall, Matt Forte and Alshon Jeffery might be the best in football.  Jay Cutler won’t have to change offenses for the first time since 2011, a highly underrated benefit to his growth.  Throw in an offensive line that gave up just 30 sacks a year ago and is returning all five starters and there is reason to fear the Monsters of the Midway.

#3 – Philadelphia Eagles

Chip Kelly is an offensive mastermind who always finds a way to create points on the scoreboard.  That alone makes the Philadelphia Eagles dangerous.  Never mind they have the reigning rushing champion in LeSean McCoy and a quarterback in Nick Foles who threw 27 touchdowns to just two interceptions a year ago.  Add in veteran spark plug Darren Sproles, returning veteran Jeremy Maclin, promising tight end Zach Ertz and rookie sleeper Jordan Matthews and that is the makings of a versatile and multidimensional attack that will be hard to stop for even the best defenses.

#2 – Denver Broncos

Can things actually get better for what was the best offense in NFL history, statistically?  Losing Eric Decker was a blow but in his place the Denver Broncos swiftly added Emmanuel Sanders and then scooped up Cody Latimer in the draft.  Pro Bowl left tackle Ryan Clady is set to return and improvements on defense should only give Peyton Manning even more opportunities to touch the ball.  The only real question mark surrounding this juggernaut is the running game.  Montee Ball is ready to replace Knowshon Moreno but he is not yet proven.  If he plays up to his talent, then the Broncos will stampede the league again.

#1 – Green Bay Packers

Want to know a scary statistic?  The Green Bay Packers had the 3rd overall offense in the NFL in 2013.  Keep in mind that they accomplished that feat playing 7 of 16 games without Aaron Rodgers.  Imagine if he makes it through the entire season healthy?  Now it’s important to remember James Jones and Jermichael Finley are gone, leaving two holes in the passing attack.  At the same time Eddie Lacy is growing into a Pro Bowler at running back and Randall Cobb should return at full strength to compliment Jordy Nelson.  Throw in a boon of additions at wide receiver from the draft including Davante Adams and Jared Abbrederis and the weaponry is abundant for the best quarterback in the business.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 21, 2014, 07:52:45 pm
 
 If everything works out right , #4 overtakes #1.  :D
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Post by: packrat on May 21, 2014, 10:11:52 pm
And if not?
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Post by: Pekin on May 21, 2014, 10:25:26 pm
We just need our defense to improve and it will.  Bears will be a damn good team this year.  Will they be better then Green Bay?  I think we will have to wait and see.  As always injuries are such a huge part of that.
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Post by: dallasbear on May 22, 2014, 10:17:01 am

Very true.  Injuries can change everything.

Bears have the offense to put up points on the Packers...they scored about 4 TDs per game against them last year in their 2 meetings.  I don't think their adding of Julius Peppers as an OLB improves their pass rush that much.  Stopping Matthews is still the key to neutralizing their pass rush.

Big question is can the addition of FAs Allen and Houston, the return to health of Collins, Ratliff and Paea and the addition of 2 rookie DTs put consistent pressure on Rodgers? 



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Post by: WshflThinking on May 22, 2014, 10:45:05 am
I think we have more reasons to be concerned about all our new personnel on the defensive side of the ball. Just too many questionmarks. Its why the Vegas oddsmakers have us pegged for 8-8 this year
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Post by: dallasbear on May 22, 2014, 11:31:44 am

Yep.

You can place just about every Bear defender into one or more of these categories:

Old (Tillman, Briggs, Ratliff, Allen)
coming off an injury (Collins, Paea, DJ Williams, Conte)
coming off a lackluster season (Paea, Greene, McClellin, Bostic, Conte, Mundy,Young, MD Jennings)
rookie (Fuller, Ferguson, Brock, Sutton)

The only guys that might not be pigeonholed are Tim Jennings (though he is 30) and Lamarr Houston (but coming off a career high of only 6 sacks)
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Post by: Sportster on May 22, 2014, 12:17:14 pm
I think 8-8 is a good bet. Dallas' list shows exactly why.
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Post by: navigator on May 22, 2014, 12:59:15 pm
10-6 baby!
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 22, 2014, 01:07:40 pm
Personally I prefer 16-0 myself but reality is what it is. Too many questionmarks to be super optimistic. I've even been over optimistic after training camp and then let down. I see too many potholes in the road to be predicting even 10-6, not that it isn't possible

And really I'd like to see Trestman equal Lovie's last season record of 10-6.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 22, 2014, 01:40:33 pm
 
 We have to remember that Lovies defense won games for us and that disappeared last year.
 
 (The BEARS are who we THOUGHT they were ! D. Green)
 
 If even halfway back at defense, 10-6 is not out of the question.
 
 We have to compare ourselves to Frisco and Seattle and how fast those programs were turned around.
 
 They are the new "it".
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Post by: dallasbear on May 22, 2014, 02:23:12 pm

Can't compare ourselves to those programs until our young guys develop into the playmakers that are on Seattle's and SF's defense.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 22, 2014, 04:34:16 pm
Can't compare ourselves to those programs until our young guys develop into the playmakers that are on Seattle's and SF's defense.

 Then that has to be the mission ... otherwise we become once again ...
 
 Dallas Cowboys ... DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEtroit Lions ... NYG's.
 
 Atlanta Falcons ... Tampa Bay ... Redskins ... ETC.
 
 In other words we resort to being LOSERS.
 
 Thats not CHICAGO BEARS way ... never has (except for last year)...
 
 never will.
 
 What makes us special is our greasy relationship with FOOTBALL in general ...
 
 on a floorboard of a HUPMOBILE in Ohio ... PAPA BEAR ...
 
 invented what you see.
 
 But whats the back angle on distribution rights ?
 
 I need a commercial for my market cut in HERE !
 
 Between local news and weather.
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Post by: packrat on May 24, 2014, 08:22:19 pm
http://nflspinzone.com/2014/05/22/2014-nfl-quarterbacks-more-or-less/?utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
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Post by: packrat on May 24, 2014, 09:21:13 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2072191-which-current-nfl-wrs-does-packers-rookie-davante-adams-most-resemble
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Post by: packrat on May 24, 2014, 09:21:58 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2072180-5-green-bay-packers-veterans-on-verge-of-losing-jobs-heading-into-2014-season/page/6

Packers likely to ,lose  their jobs.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 25, 2014, 05:39:16 am
 
 Packy ,
 
 DEFENSE !! Your ass is going down bro.  ;D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on May 25, 2014, 05:48:20 am
Personally I prefer 16-0 myself but reality is what it is. Too many questionmarks to be super optimistic. I've even been over optimistic after training camp and then let down. I see too many potholes in the road to be predicting even 10-6, not that it isn't possible

And really I'd like to see Trestman equal Lovie's last season record of 10-6.

Wait, ... what?  Overly optimistic and Wshfl are antonyms...  Just ribbing ya a bit!  My optimistic blather must really grind some gears...
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 25, 2014, 06:30:01 am
Too many potholes in da road. This team may have a lot of veterans on it but we also have to depend on rookies in key positions. Trust me, nothing would please me more than 16-0 or 19-0.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8-8 is the most realistic number I've seen. You have to show you are better than that
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 25, 2014, 03:19:56 pm
What we need is someone to bring some nastiness to that Defense, someone who plays mad,put a hurt on someone & I hope Thornton or Bradford can be that guy because brad jones is a puss & hawk is just a guy nothing he does lives up to being the 5th pick hes joe average! Now if we can get a consistent pass rush everyone looks better in the d's backfield, without we suck like every other team in the league!!!! We'll have to out score them and i like our chances better then any other team in the north. Go Pack Go!

 Dont get too optimistic ... CHICAGO BEARS had no defense last season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 25, 2014, 04:00:12 pm
They're paid to do this...

 Exactly why dont get too optimistic.  :-X
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 25, 2014, 05:34:03 pm
(http://europenews.dk/files/The-European-Union-and-the-United-States-Sign-a-Suicide-Pact.png)

 Whatever.
 
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Post by: boogie on June 02, 2014, 01:21:29 pm
The Cowboys are interested in linebacker Brian Urlacher.  Unless they aren’t.

Unless they are.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Urlacher is a viable option for the Cowboys, who are trying to replace middle linebacker Sean Lee.  Whether Urlacher progresses from viable option to member of the team depends on whether the younger players pegged to replace Lee step up, including Anthony Hitchens and DeVonte Holloman.

Urlacher, who retired last year in lieu of taking only $2 million to stay with the Bears, has stayed in shape and has some interest in joining the Cowboys.  For now, many dominoes must fall before Urlacher is chasing around the likes of LeSean McCoy and RGIII.  But it’s not as much of a long shot as it’s being portrayed.

And that could be the best way for the Cowboys to get the youngsters to step up.  If they don’t, a potential Hall of Fame could be coming to town to show them how it’s done.
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Post by: dallasbear on June 02, 2014, 01:44:07 pm

It would have to be for big money that the Cowboys I believe don't have.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 02, 2014, 10:55:33 pm
 
 Dal ,
 
 Are we good enough to step up ?
 
 Without seeing a down being played ...
 
 are we as good as Seattle /Frisco ?
 
 We can BEAAARRSSE THEM !
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Post by: dallasbear on June 03, 2014, 03:32:38 pm

I'm still concerned about the middle of our defense.
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Post by: 46 on June 03, 2014, 07:46:05 pm
I'm still concerned about our defense, period. The guy with his hand on the switch still hasn't made me think he's super neato keene.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on June 03, 2014, 07:54:13 pm
Yeah our DC hasn't shown he knows the difference between a DT and a SS
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 03, 2014, 08:11:29 pm

We've upgraded DE...have a lot of depth if nothing else.  We should have 3 pretty good CBs.  Briggs is back at WLB but SLB is a question mark with mcClellan.  He should have some competition with Bostic, Greene and the FA from FSU.

Compare those positions to DT, MLB and safety.  DT could be OK with the addition of the rookies but Ratliff and Paea were in there at the end last year when we were getting shredded.  Collins is coming off an ACL.   And I can't get too excited about DJ Williams also coming off an injury in the middle.  Safety is a mess.
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Post by: Sportster on June 04, 2014, 01:23:50 am
The problem is if health goes to crap we're in trouble. Lose Briggs and Peanut again, we're toast. Our LB corps isn't real solid presently. We've got a fill-in at MLB, which we haven't had for quite some years and we've got a older Briggs on one side and a unproven McClellin on the other with second year unprovens as backups. Plus our secondary ain't exactly lighting it up either. We're going to need to stay healthy, not have major dropoffs from age with Nut and Briggs and this whole mess to come together much much better than it did last season. Too much needs to go right IMO. Hard to not be improved from last seasons mess, though....but by how much???
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Post by: dallasbear on June 04, 2014, 02:31:33 am

Depth isn't just an issue on defense.

We aren't real deep at WR right now.  Wilson has to prove himself.   Still have no proven depth at  TE and at HB even though I really like Michael Ford who I also think has potential returning kicks.   Should be a nice battle between him and the rook Carey.

We're in the same position at our backup QB as last year where I wasn't real comfortable going into the season with McCown, but Trestman proved me wrong so maybe he will again with his faith in Palmer.

And who is our backup tackle?  I really am not a fan of Britton at tackle though he did play well against the Pack when Sims went down.  He's more of a guard.

I think we're all set at backup C and maybe guard.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 04, 2014, 04:34:24 am
All goes back to our horrific drafting the last few years under Angelo. We'll need a couple more solid drafts to get to where we need to be depth and talent wise. We've already seen we cannot possibly fill all the voids in one draft. Safety, LB, TE, Center the list goes on where we could use upgrades, not to mention depth.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 04, 2014, 02:02:48 pm

Angelo kept his job for as long as he did by signing FAs and trades, but how many of the current starters has he drafted between 2002 and 2011 that are still on the team?

Defense:  Tillman (2003), Briggs (2003), Conte (2011), Paea (2011)

Offense:  Forte (2008)

FIVE!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 04, 2014, 02:04:19 pm
Wow that's a telling stat, huh. And Conte? lol....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on June 04, 2014, 03:15:58 pm
just heard on NFLN Kapernick just signed a 6y 126M extension. 61M guaranteed.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 04, 2014, 08:25:49 pm
Mama's, definately let your babies grow up to be QB's.......sheesh....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 05, 2014, 01:16:56 am

Yep, and there are other fringe benefits too...according to Brent Musberger.
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Post by: Pekin on June 05, 2014, 06:46:38 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/05/radio-city-out-as-draft-host-chicago-or-l-a-are-possible/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 05, 2014, 08:42:08 pm
just heard on NFLN Kapernick just signed a 6y 126M extension. 61M guaranteed.

Has SF gotten aboard the train to cap hell?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 05, 2014, 09:58:08 pm
Actually I heard it is very cap friendly deal for SF.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on June 06, 2014, 12:39:27 pm
Quote
Radio City out as draft host, Chicago or L.A. are possible

 Posted by Michael David Smith on June 5, 2014, 5:57 PM EDT
 
Getty Images
The 2015 NFL draft will not be at Radio City Music Hall. It might be in Chicago or Los Angeles.
 
The NFL sent letters today to potential draft hosts in Chicago, Los Angeles and New York City today to request more information about their specific plans, according to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network. But the host for next year will not be Radio City, which is booked. If the draft stays in New York, it will be at Madison Square Garden.
 
Although the final date of the draft has not been set, the league has asked its potential hosts about availability for either April 22-25 or April 29-May 2. April 22 and April 29 are Wednesdays, indicating that the NFL is considering starting the draft earlier in the week and turning it into a four-day event. In another indication that the league is trying to make the draft a bigger event, one of the requirements the league has laid down for the potential hosts is that they need to have space for a fan festival in a space adjacent to the actual draft.
 
The NFL is expected to determine the exact date and location of the draft by the end of the summer.
 
UPDATE 6:48 p.m. ET:  NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy confirms via Twitter that the league is focusing on Chicago, L.A., and New York for the 2015 draft, but that “other cities remain in the mix.”

OK, here is my spin on it.  The only cities that should be eligible to host this are the cities that the NFL refuses to let host a SB.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 06, 2014, 12:54:19 pm

And maybe they should eliminate cities that don't have an NFL franchise.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on June 06, 2014, 02:17:59 pm
Another good point but there are some cities that get the SB without NFL franchises aren't there?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 06, 2014, 03:39:39 pm

Don't think so.   They have had a few in Pasadena last century but I don't know if the Rams or Raiders were still in LA.

If LA can't support a football team why would they care to show up for a draft?  They'd probably leave after the 20th pick anyway...to beat traffic home.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 06, 2014, 08:20:34 pm
Don't think so.   They have had a few in Pasadena last century but I don't know if the Rams or Raiders were still in LA.

If LA can't support a football team why would they care to show up for a draft?  They'd probably leave after the 20th pick anyway...to beat traffic home.

 You dont know us.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 07, 2014, 07:17:19 pm

OK, maybe you would stay until the Bears pick at 32, but you wouldn't have much company.

Chicago is the best choice.  And I'm sure Jerry Jones will be wanting a shot for it to come to big D.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 08, 2014, 08:17:13 pm
OK, maybe you would stay until the Bears pick at 32, but you wouldn't have much company.

Chicago is the best choice.  And I'm sure Jerry Jones will be wanting a shot for it to come to big D.

 Id have about 44,000 BEARS fans in L.A.,this based on who showed up to see SWEETNESS' last game on the west coast.
 
 And thats when RAMS and RAIDUHS were the local home teams.
 
 Jerry in Big D cant match it.
 
 Look at the demographics of who came to L.A. and from where.
 
 There used to be TWO Wrigley Fields , the other one wasnt in Dallas.
 
 The ANGELS are a CUBS former FARM TEAM.
 
 BTW ... the ANGELS ... won a World Series since 1908.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 08, 2014, 08:50:51 pm
WCB's....West Coast BEARRRSSSSE!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 08, 2014, 09:12:04 pm
 
 SCB's !!! In Tampa and Miami along South Beach ...
 
 you will find us. WE ARE THERE !
 
 Goooooooooooooo BEARRSSE !!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 09, 2014, 03:01:29 am

Why reward a city that TWO professional football teams vacated because the so-called fan base would rather spend a day at the beach on Sunday afternoon or whatever they do instead of attending their home team's games.

I say F*U*C*K LA...let cities with real fans host the draft before we let a city that just happens to be the 2nd largest  city in the US get first dibs.

I am not saying that there aren't Bears fans in LA...but there are Bears fans in every major city.   And that includes Dallas where nearly half the stadium was filled with Bear fans on Monday night a couple years ago when Chicago visited the Cowboys.

When I think of the LA Rams I think of Roman Gabriel, Merlin Olsen, Deacon Jones, Jack Youngblood, Eric Dickerson.   That's all gone.

St. Louis Rams...just doesn't sound right. 

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 09, 2014, 04:56:26 am
St. Louis is rumored to be moving back to LA... or at least one of the front runners.  And agreed, those are the names synonomous with the Rams I remember.  And Dickerson and Bettis in later LA years...
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Post by: packrat on June 09, 2014, 07:07:08 pm
It has failed  every time they have tried it.  Ask Al Davis.  Doing that over and over is insanity.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 10, 2014, 01:11:04 am
 
 You cant tune out the #2 market in the U.S.
 
 This is costing the NFL bigtime and they know it.
 
 What will get the NFL back into the L.A. market is hosting a Draft.
 
 Although hosting a Draft in Chicago should come first.
 
 Chicagos location will pull in everything from Denver to Pittsburgh
 
 for Draft days.
 
 Chicago will be swamped with Indy and St.Loo fans.
 
 KC fans will be there. It will be like a reverse diaspora.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 10, 2014, 08:15:27 am

What will get the NFL back into the L.A. market is hosting a Draft.

Really?  In all honesty I don't really care where they hold the draft - it's not that big of a deal. 

But if cities like Jacksonville and Kansas City have NFL teams why can't LA?  They support a couple NBA teams, a hockey team, a couple baseball teams...boggles the mind.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 10, 2014, 02:31:06 pm

 You cant tune out the #2 market in the U.S.
 

They are certainly not the #2 market for NFL games.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on June 10, 2014, 03:11:15 pm
Nashville would draw more than LA.

The baseball winter meetings were very successful there.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on June 11, 2014, 08:58:56 am
There are plenty of NFL fans in LA, certainly more than in most NFL cities.

However half are not LA fans, they are Bear fans, Giant fans, Packer fans, Seahawk fans.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 11, 2014, 09:14:13 am

However half are not LA fans, they are Bear fans, Giant fans, Packer fans, Seahawk fans.

So what are the other half?  St Louis Rams fans?

If that's the case then they would still have more local fans than over 75% of the cities with NFL teams.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on June 11, 2014, 10:02:07 am
The rest are a combination of Raider and Ram fans.

Both teams were getting attendance under 40,000 when they left town.

Howver USC and UCLA have no problem drawing so it's not like there are not football fans
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on June 11, 2014, 07:57:41 pm
very few teams can draw a crowd if they don't win.
If they win, they can fill any sized stadium in any major city.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 11, 2014, 08:36:43 pm
 The importance of undrafted players

Incredible stat: There are 15 undrafted players in the Hall of Fame. That's two more than the 13 first overall picks in the Hall, per NFL.com's Gil Brandt. This is why teams spend so much time trolling the fringes of the football universe looking for players. It is also another example of why some aspects of the draft are vastly overrated. Most scouts and personnel men make their bones on the later rounds.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 11, 2014, 09:40:26 pm
What will get the NFL back into the L.A. market is hosting a Draft.

Really?  In all honesty I don't really care where they hold the draft - it's not that big of a deal. 

But if cities like Jacksonville and Kansas City have NFL teams why can't LA?  They support a couple NBA teams, a hockey team, a couple baseball teams...boggles the mind.

 Actually two hockey teams.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 11, 2014, 09:58:19 pm
 
 What is it about Los Angeles ? Its yet to be figured out. It is what it is.
 
 The weastward movemont stopped here and where everybody else came from, from everywhere else ...
 
 THEY NAMED IT CALIFORNIA !
 
 The Planet where all of your ancesters came from.  :D
 
 CALIFORNIA is UNIQUE ... in that all of your bloodlines are here.  ;D
 
 I can find everyone of them ... just by walking down my block.
 
 AMERICA !
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 11, 2014, 10:54:07 pm
 
 WHY THE NFL DRAFT SHOULD BE HELD IN CHICAGO
 
 
 
First of all lets look at location and who started this whole NFL mess to begin with ... CHICAGO BEARS.

But its more about demographics and travel time.

How many fans can get to Chicago in 18 hours driving jacked up on caffine ? Denver.

So that defines when fans can get to Chicago ... Pittsburgh,Buffalo,KC,St.Loo,Indy,Clevland,Cinncy,Dallas,

Minnie,Detroit,and Green Bay.

Thats 13 fans in driving range to Chicago.

Lets compare that to NYC : ... 2 NYC fans ... Buffalo ...Philly ... DC ... Balt ... N.E.

Buffalo comes our way because of bloodlines. One of the Great Lakes teams.

Should there be a future NFL Draft in the South ? Absolutley. Atlanta as the place to do it ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 12, 2014, 04:56:13 am
No, draft in the South, should happen in Nashville.  Take your 12 hour compass and make a circle with that.  Nashville pulls in Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, NO, Tampa, Cincy, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Washington, Indy, of course us, Rams, Denver again, KC, etc  Half the league at least is in a day's drive.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 12, 2014, 07:35:12 pm
June, 11, 2014
By  Kevin Seifert | ESPN.com


With the exception of a few unsigned draft choices, the business of the 2014 NFL offseason is largely complete. Now, then, is a good time to assess where teams are heading into the season, how much flexibility they will have for fall additions/contract extensions and what -- if anything -- might be holding them back.

The big chart at the bottom of this post, courtesy of ESPN Stats & Information, is organized by current salary-cap space. The Jacksonville Jaguars have the most ($28.5 million) and the Detroit Lions -- who are trying to sign defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh to a cap-friendly extension -- have the least ($1.1 million).

The chart also carries two other relevant pieces of information: The amount of dead money each team has absorbed for 2014, and the amount of committed cash as of this week. Dead money is the total amount of cap space devoted to players no longer on the roster; committed cash is the amount of money each team will pay its players this season. The latter is important, in part, because the collective bargaining agreement (CBA) requires each team to spend 89 percent of its cap space in cash over a four-year period.

The other chart lists the 10 players whose terminated contracts are most impacting their former teams via dead money. In no particular order, let's run through some highlights and other observations of this material: •
 

2014 Dead Money Players

The 10 highest dead money totals for 2014 and the teams affected.

Matt Schaub HOU $10,500,000
Stevie Johnson BUF $10,225,000
DeMarcus Ware DAL $8,571,500
Julius Peppers CHI $8,366,668
Jon Beason CAR $8,000,000
A. Hernandez NE $7,500,000
Ryan Fitzpatrick BUF $7,000,000
Jay Ratliff DAL $6,928,000
T. Richardson CLE $6,670,836
Levi Brown AZ $6,514,191
Source: ESPN Stats & Information 
To varying levels of accuracy, dead money can be used to illustrate the efficiency of a team's roster-building plan. A high figure often means important decisions went wrong or that impatience and/or leadership change forced a course correction. The Dallas Cowboys have an NFL-high $23.2 million in dead money in part because they released linebacker DeMarcus Ware ($8.6 million) to get under the 2014 salary cap and parted ways with defensive tackle Jay Ratliff ($6.9 million) because of injuries.
•The Buffalo Bills, meanwhile, are still dealing with their decision to extend quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick in 2011. His contract, terminated in 2013, counts $7 million against their 2014 cap. The decision to trade receiver Stevie Johnson funneled $10.2 million in dead money to this season. The Bills, of course, have shifted to a short-term, win-now mode during an ownership transition, making dead money less of an organizational priority.
•How expensive was the first round of the 2012 draft for the Cleveland Browns? Their two selections, running back Trent Richardson (traded) and quarterback Brandon Weeden (released), will combine for $10.9 million in dead money this year. Consider it an extreme example of leadership turnover; the Browns are on their third coach and third general manager since that draft.
•Contract mistakes happen to even the most stable and best-run organizations. Tight end Aaron Hernandez, released last summer after being arrested on murder charges, accounts for $7 million in dead money for the New England Patriots.
•On the other hand, former Tampa Bay Buccaneers general manager Mark Dominik left a mostly clean ledger for the team's new leadership duo of Jason Licht (general manager) and Lovie Smith (coach). The Bucs have an NFL-low $901,763 in dead money, largely due to Dominik's pay-as-you-go approach to significant deals. Cornerback Darrelle Revis, released in March about a year after signing a six-year, $96-million contract, does not count against the Bucs' 2014 cap at all.
•Many of you might wonder what the Jaguars will do with $28.5 million in cap space at this time of year, or how the Browns could use $25.9 million or the Bengals their $24.6 million. Some of that space could be used for summer or in-season contract extensions; the Bengals' discussions with quarterback Andy Dalton come to mind. If not, each team has the option of pushing all or part of their surplus into 2015, a decision that must be filed by the end of the season. It's technically referred to as "carryover."
•I would caution against making value judgments on the amount of committed cash. The expenditures of all teams should roughly even out over time, per the CBA, and an individual year's numbers can reflect one or two unique contract structures rather than a philosophy. The Chicago Bears, for instance, are set to pay the NFL's fourth-highest payroll ($150 million), but it's largely because front-loaded new contracts for quarterback Jay Cutler and receiver Brandon Marshall call for a combined $37.5 million in salary and bonuses this year. In 2015, their compensation lowers to $23.2 million combined.
•If anything, committed cash can reflect the cost of maintaining deep rosters. The Baltimore Ravens are set to pay out nearly $160 million in cash this year, most in the NFL. Why? Quarterback Joe Flacco's $22.5 million salary plays a part, of course, but so do the lucrative first years of deals signed by tight end Dennis Pitta ($12 million), left tackle Eugene Monroe ($12 million) and linebacker Terrell Suggs ($12 million). The Cowboys, conversely, have the NFL's lowest payroll at the moment ($106 million) after an offseason dominated mostly by subtraction.
•Why aren't the Jaguars paying a higher payroll after an active offseason? They followed a midrange focus, and none of their seven veteran free-agent signings will receive more than $7.5 million this season. The top three: Offensive lineman Zane Beadles ($7.5 million), defensive lineman Red Bryant ($5.25 million) and defensive end Chris Clemons ($5 million).
•Historically it's been difficult to find a connection between spending and winning, and that will be especially true as long as teams are required to hit the four-year spending floor. The quickest way to a high payroll is to have an elite/highly paid quarterback, as the Ravens, Atlanta Falcons, Bears, San Francisco 49ers and Denver Broncos can demonstrate. (They have five of the top 10 team payrolls.) But if you believe a team must spend to win this season, keep in mind that the New England Patriots have the sixth-lowest payroll, the Bengals currently have the third-lowest payroll and the Indianapolis Colts are at No. 22.

2014 NFL Salary Cap Information


Team

Cap Space

Dead money

Committed cash


Jaguars $28,477,802 $10,270,165 $106,925,589
Browns $25,894,925 $16,955,359 $146,289,905
Bengals $24,595,254 $2,939,283 $111,111,551
Jets $22,485,969 $11,053,958 $111,216,927
Eagles $20,201,083 $9,453,783 $143,038,022
Titans $19,595,426 $8,074,725 $119,871,068
Dolphins $16,251,441 $5,909,630 $137,344,580
Packers $13,958,808 $2,663,213 $134,902,476
Colts $13,804,691 $1,871,402 $122,140,719
Buccaneers $13,311,919 $901,763 $129,795,161
Cardinals $11,532,210 $13,114,078 $131,311,330
Raiders $10,720,023 $11,933,709 $131,670,248
Cowboys $10,196,756 $23,199,516 $106,037,627
Seahawks $9,329,428 $8,475,035 $151,596,368
Falcons $9,167,571 $8,973,937 $152,682,276
Texans $8,905,819 $17,898,841 $119,664,447
Bills $7,913,052 $22,702,604 $140,633,488
Vikings $7,720,258 $5,243,455 $132,718,482
Patriots $7,351,320 $10,724,724 $114,884,937
Giants $6,952,272 $6,058,141 $136,065,925
Steelers $6,517,314 $10,947,900 $121,605,681
49ers $6,422,157 $3,518,288 $149,978,160
Bears $6,302,462 $12,576,989 $150,017,478
Panthers $6,067,076 $18,974,241 $124,458,233
Broncos $5,310,416 $5,708,186 $142,507,298
Rams $5,054,304 $6,331,753 $117,999,328
Ravens $4,649,136 $6,203,216 $159,973,035
Chiefs $3,173,106 $3,306,490 $125,863,379
Redskins $2,551,306 $10,635,233 $145,566,854
Chargers $2,527,164 $12,546,651 $129,437,660
Saints $1,940,911 $13,314,461 $129,346,457
Lions $1,068,918 $4,065,738 $113,185,798
Source: ESPN Stats & Information 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 14, 2014, 04:41:04 pm
No, draft in the South, should happen in Nashville.  Take your 12 hour compass and make a circle with that.  Nashville pulls in Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, NO, Tampa, Cincy, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Washington, Indy, of course us, Rams, Denver again, KC, etc  Half the league at least is in a day's drive.

 G34,
 
 Good points. Then Nashville it is! But at least HAVE it there instead of always NYC.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 14, 2014, 04:45:14 pm
June, 11, 2014
By  Kevin Seifert | ESPN.com


With the exception of a few unsigned draft choices, the business of the 2014 NFL offseason is largely complete. Now, then, is a good time to assess where teams are heading into the season, how much flexibility they will have for fall additions/contract extensions and what -- if anything -- might be holding them back.
 
****************************************************

Jaguars $28,477,802 $10,270,165 $106,925,589
Browns $25,894,925 $16,955,359 $146,289,905
Bengals $24,595,254 $2,939,283 $111,111,551
Jets $22,485,969 $11,053,958 $111,216,927
Eagles $20,201,083 $9,453,783 $143,038,022
Titans $19,595,426 $8,074,725 $119,871,068
Dolphins $16,251,441 $5,909,630 $137,344,580
Packers $13,958,808 $2,663,213 $134,902,476
Colts $13,804,691 $1,871,402 $122,140,719
Buccaneers $13,311,919 $901,763 $129,795,161
Cardinals $11,532,210 $13,114,078 $131,311,330
Raiders $10,720,023 $11,933,709 $131,670,248
Cowboys $10,196,756 $23,199,516 $106,037,627
Seahawks $9,329,428 $8,475,035 $151,596,368
Falcons $9,167,571 $8,973,937 $152,682,276
Texans $8,905,819 $17,898,841 $119,664,447
Bills $7,913,052 $22,702,604 $140,633,488
Vikings $7,720,258 $5,243,455 $132,718,482
Patriots $7,351,320 $10,724,724 $114,884,937
Giants $6,952,272 $6,058,141 $136,065,925
Steelers $6,517,314 $10,947,900 $121,605,681
49ers $6,422,157 $3,518,288 $149,978,160
Bears $6,302,462 $12,576,989 $150,017,478
Panthers $6,067,076 $18,974,241 $124,458,233
Broncos $5,310,416 $5,708,186 $142,507,298
Rams $5,054,304 $6,331,753 $117,999,328
Ravens $4,649,136 $6,203,216 $159,973,035
Chiefs $3,173,106 $3,306,490 $125,863,379
Redskins $2,551,306 $10,635,233 $145,566,854
Chargers $2,527,164 $12,546,651 $129,437,660
Saints $1,940,911 $13,314,461 $129,346,457
Lions $1,068,918 $4,065,738 $113,185,798
Source: ESPN Stats & Information

 Nice post Packy.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 14, 2014, 06:19:17 pm
 
 R.I.P. CHUCK KNOLL

What a BEARRSES

COACh was suppossed to look like in the 70's.
 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 14, 2014, 08:06:38 pm
He was a good one.  RIP.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on June 17, 2014, 06:33:14 pm
The Browns might not have Josh Gordon for the year, but they’ve begun sifting through the imported replacements.

The team announced they’ve terminated the contract of wide receiver Earl Bennett.

They signed Bennett a month ago, but apparently saw enough in a short time to know he wasn’t going to be of help.

Bennett had been occasionally productive with the Bears, but was a salary cap casualty this offseason.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on June 17, 2014, 06:50:37 pm
For those of you who miss the mighty Earl there is still hope you can get him back
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on June 18, 2014, 05:45:30 am
Welcome to your golden years Jimmy Mac

http://news.yahoo.com/ex-bears-qb-jim-mcmahon-opens-dementia-215105931--spt.html

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 18, 2014, 10:27:05 am

Hell yeah, I'd re-sign Bennett.  Wilson will be given first shot at the #3 but Bennett is better than the rest of the group.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on June 18, 2014, 10:31:47 am
There's #1.  ;D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on June 18, 2014, 10:43:41 am
I dunno - he likely has psychological issues now - after being cut by the Browns
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on June 18, 2014, 12:18:11 pm
I think he had some issues before leaving
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on June 18, 2014, 12:26:47 pm
I think he is a solid vet #3 guy but you can't overpay him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on June 18, 2014, 01:36:25 pm
I think Emery offered Bennett a certain amount. I certainly wouldn't offer him a dime more than last offer if even that amount. I would be surprised to find out Cleveland signed Bennett to a bigger contract than we were offering. And while I am asking, whats a possession receiver worth, cause that's all Bennett is?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on June 18, 2014, 01:37:14 pm
When he is hurt or not hurt???
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on June 18, 2014, 01:40:43 pm
Currently, hurt or unhurt, your choice
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on June 18, 2014, 02:22:57 pm
Daniel...

It's time....

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/06/18/trademark-board-rules-against-washington-redskins-name/?cmpid=cmty_twitter_fn

Trademark board rules against Washington Redskins name
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 18, 2014, 02:52:05 pm
That is so frickin stupid! Hope Snyder stands his ground. The Indians SHOULD be concerned about drug and alcohol abuse that is rampant in their communities, not what a frickin football teams name is!!! Makes me so angry this idiocy.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 18, 2014, 06:19:50 pm

Bennett has had some injuries in the past although he only missed one game last season.  Sign him to the veteran minimum.  And yeah, he's a possession receiver - so are all the Bears receivers last time I looked.

Last year Bennett caught 32 balls with 4 TDs.  You can't ask for much more than that with Marshall, Jeffery, Bennett (the TE), and Forte virtually healthy the entire year.

Marquise Wilson is taller and younger (not faster) and probably won't put up any better numbers than Bennett this year  but he has the potential to replace Marshall in a couple years - that can't be said for Bennett.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 18, 2014, 06:24:04 pm

The Redskins org as well as the NFL will lose big bucks when everybody and his mother start producing Redskin jersies, t-shirts, mugs etc.

Is there a local Indian tribe in the DC/Virginia area?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on June 18, 2014, 06:42:16 pm
If I'm not mistaken the patent office did this once before and the redskins won on appeal. What's different now?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on June 18, 2014, 07:27:57 pm
I think M Wilson is faster than Bennet, if I am not mistaken. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 18, 2014, 07:59:09 pm
 
 Sign Bennett at league minimum.
 
 How do you change and fit the words in for the Redskins fight song ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 18, 2014, 10:52:32 pm

I think M Wilson is faster than Bennet, if I am not mistaken.


Combine numbers for Wilson had him at 4.51 for the 40.

Earl Bennett ran a 4.48 at his combine.

But Earl is now 27 and Wilson will be 21 this fall.  With the training Wilson has been doing he might now be faster than his combine time and who knows maybe Earl has lost a step.

Earl can make the tough catch, was always hard to bring down and could block.  And who can forget that catch he made last year against the Steelers along the side of the end zone.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on June 19, 2014, 08:56:30 am
I think the biggest thing about Earl is he is usually where he needs to be and usually catches the ball.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on June 19, 2014, 09:00:41 am
I would think Native Americans would find the Redskins team name as a good thing.
You want your team name to be a sign of strength and honor., I would expect that to be a sign of honor vs one of disrespect. It is a shame the wing nuts pushing for change don't see that.

It would be interesting if you could poll all Native Americans on the East Coast how many actually find it offensive.

I can see the NFL getting behind it, think about all the Redskins fans that would need a new wardrobe!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 19, 2014, 09:03:25 am
I would guess....it's just a guess, now...that Harry Reid and others of his ilk actually have more important things to worry about than a football teams name.....just a wild guess there, though..... ::)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on June 19, 2014, 09:05:44 am
Unless the true meaning of redskin is actually an indian scalp?

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/news/true-redskins-meaning

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on June 19, 2014, 10:40:47 am
This argument has been around for awhile, now with the Feds sticking their beak in, (the main force who led the slaughter and concentration-camp lives of today's Indians btw) people are
digging in their heels.  It's an easy political punching bag, makes a person look good and costs them nothing. The next time any of those whiney **** step foot on a rez will be the first.
Some people tried this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Whites but not surprisingly, it blew up. Alcholism, drugs, blindness, obesity, sucides, that's todays native American. They lack an
enzyme that helps break down booze, hence the crazy Indian while drinking themselves to death. I'll never root for the Redskins for any **** thing except bankruptcy. People keep calling Snyder
white. He's not. Get your ducks in a row before you start bitching.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 19, 2014, 11:20:05 am
If I'm not mistaken the patent office did this once before and the redskins won on appeal. What's different now?

Last time the patent office ruling was reversed on a technicality (1999). 

Papers are saying tens of millions dollars that the Redskins AND the NFL will lose out on yearly.

It may not be up to Snyder.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on June 19, 2014, 12:29:25 pm
It really shouldn't be such a big deal...

Like when they changed the Washington Bullets to the Wizards?

But when will all these over-sensitive people give up?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 19, 2014, 12:37:40 pm
It wasn't a technicality, it was that they couldn't prove their case. Same thing could happen in this instance but wouldn't surprise me if a current judge changes the ruling of the earlier judges. Seems to be the case nowadays. What was illegal a few years ago is becoming legal now. Just gotta scream loud and long enough and they'll give ya what ya want....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on June 19, 2014, 01:01:26 pm
Go after all the ferocious animal mascot names next...

Grizzly Bears really aren't as mean and ruthless in the wild as they have been depicted on some of the souvenir items...

Won't someone please stand up for the wildlife?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 19, 2014, 01:17:20 pm

Packers could be next...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 19, 2014, 01:29:58 pm
I'm offended about meat being packed up like uh, swiss cheese in a box and shipped out to total strangers!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 19, 2014, 02:39:18 pm

Not exactly what I was thinking...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 19, 2014, 02:53:46 pm
Didn't want to go there.....(http://smileyshack.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/spoop_smileypooping_runningoffsmiely_100-1001.gif)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on June 19, 2014, 03:08:12 pm
They need to get rid of Fighting Irish at the same time as Redskins. Just as offensive...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on June 19, 2014, 03:15:05 pm
Yep, just as offensive.....where does this nonsense end?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on June 19, 2014, 03:21:45 pm
I'm sure Lions are offended at how bad the Lions have played the past .... well at least in my lifetime!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 19, 2014, 06:05:04 pm
 
 This just in :
 
 Renaming THE CHICAGO BEARS to THE CHICAGO HUMANS was found to be offensive to ROBOTS who now have equal voting rights.
 
 Asked of this, a Bear who was implanted with a voice box so that he could speak said:
 
 I'm not offended, go back to calling them BEARS,I just want to dig thru your garbage cans at night. I got cubs to feed.
 
 Sally Sprinckles reporting LIVE!  Back to the newsdesk ! 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 19, 2014, 06:24:53 pm
Posted by Mike Wilkening on June 19, 2014, 4:14 PM EDT

Cleveland Browns v Green Bay Packers
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Packers tailback Johnathan Franklin announced Thursday he will not play in 2014 because of a neck injury, and he also indicated his career looks over beyond this season, too.

“Unfortunately this week I have been ruled out of returning for the 2014/15 season and returning to play in the NFL,” Franklin said in a statement released on Twitter.

The 24-year-old Franklin suffered the injury in the Packers’ Week 12 tie with Minnesota.

In the statement, Franklin thanked those who supported him and asked for prayers as he begins “this transition.”

Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Thursday that Franklin’s Green Bay career was over, with the official roster move to come on Friday. It’s unclear whether Franklin will officially retire or will be waived/injured.

Why in hell does this keep happening to so many of the Packers' good young players?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 20, 2014, 12:14:04 am
 
 Attitude is a state of mind...do you want to win your Division...or do you want to kill everything in sight?

At HALAS HALL the attitude has to be that you are not playing the next team you are playing...

but playing thru them until you WIN the SuperBowl.

The ultimate goal is to be achieved, everything else is just a byproduct to getting there.

Green Bay ... is just in the way. A minor sidestep towards it all.

CHICAGO BEARS are CHICAGO BEARS ... you can call upon the ghosts of the past,

they are on that field with our TEAM TODAY, SPIRITS at Soldiers, names known ,names unknown,

BEARS ALL !

ATTITUDE ! CONTACT! DISRUPTION! TURNOVER! SCORE!

ATTITUDE! BALL IN PLAY! RECEIVING! RUNNING! SCORE!

We are ... THE CHICAGO BEARS. The others are going to have to learn to DEAL with it.

We make no apologys. We are what we are.
 
 BEARRSSE !!!

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 20, 2014, 08:06:49 pm
Posted by Mike Wilkening on June 20, 2014, 8:41 PM EDT

American football


A pro football league slated to start play this fall reportedly aims to eventually become a feeder system for the NFL.

The Fall Experimental Football League (FXFL) will have six teams, including clubs in the Boston and New York metropolitan areas, when its six-game season kicks off in October, according to The Associated Press. Players will be paid $1,000 per week, per the AP.

FXFL commissioner Brian Woods told the AP that the league’s “long-term goal is to establish a partnership with the NFL, and we feel can do that on many platforms.” Woods told the AP that the FXFL can fill a void by grooming young talent that isn’t quite ready for the NFL or is completely off the NFL’s radar.

According to the AP, the league is slated to play a good number of Wednesday night games. This seems a logical part of the calendar for FXFL to try, with Sunday and Monday belonging to the NFL, Saturday the property of college football and Thursday having NFL and college football action.

The question then turns to the type of talent the FXFL can attract as it starts play. The Canadian Football League and Arena Football League both have footholds as NFL alternatives. Moreover, though the NFL only has a seven-round draft, hundreds of undrafted free agents are signed by clubs in the spring. Also, with practice squads, the NFL already has an in-house developmental system.

Great idea.  I have wished for many years that there would be a Minor League for football.  The idea of young guys who want to become NFL players starting out in a college league has many flaws and short-comings.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 20, 2014, 08:29:45 pm
Judge David S. Doty's History of Misconduct
 
Wednesday, October 11, 2006
 
Judge Doty's History of Judicial Misconduct and Criminal Conduct


 NORTHWEST AIRLINES PROFILING ATTACK SECRET AGENT


TRIBUNAL COVERT THREATS: MAIN SITE: http://justiceforjamesfamily.blogspot.com

JUDGE DAVID S. DOTY , A CRIMINALLY CHARGED X U.S. MARINE PRESIDING AT OUR 'TRIAL' THAT HOUSED SECRET FEDERAL AGENTS ON THE 'JURY' HIS HISTORY OF MISCONDUCT AND ILLICIT THREATS- EXPOSED AS WELL AS COMPREHENSIVE JUDICIAL CORRUPTION

NORTHWEST AIRLINES PROFILING ATTACK: http://justiceforjamesfamily.blogspot.com



Judge David S. Doty Has a Lengthy History of Judicial Misconduct Such that his notorious reputation precedes him: JUDGE DOTY IS MENTIONED ON A JUDICIAL MISCONDUCT WEBSITE AS HAVING BEEN CHARGED!SEE:
http://www.clr.org/fed-judges.html (look for his name on the bottom half of the webpage)

An attorney with whom I spoke on my tapped phone line who’s name I will keep anonymous out of consideration spoke out on Notorious Judge Doty. “ I am familiar with Judge David Doty- let’s just leave it at that…I have to be careful what I say on this line. I am very sure that the NSA are on our line and on any line going from Canada into the United States, for a certainty, so we need to be careful what we say…” ...

Posted by Mike Florio on June 20, 2014, 4:55 PM EDT

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On Friday morning, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit issued a surprising ruling in a two-year-old collusion claim filed by the NFLPA.  The management-friendly appellate court unexpectedly reversed a decision from player-friendly Judge David Doty, allowing the case to proceed...

I believe this is the same judge who foolishly allowed the Milwaukee Braves to violate a contract and move to Atlanta. 

A prime example of shenanigans I the judicial system.


Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 25, 2014, 10:59:28 pm
 
 
 
Its just occurred to me that since the 1985 BEARS,in the last 29 years,

weve had 3 Safetys that we could point to with pride.

Two were gone before the Ninties.

Fencik

Deurson

Brown

Thats not many considering how the Angelo regime always seemed to draft one.

Other then our endless quest for a QB before JCut, Safety had to be second.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on June 26, 2014, 04:36:56 am
I thought Mark Carrier played it pretty well for us as well, not quite at the level of the 3, I guess he would make our top 5
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 26, 2014, 09:43:47 am

Carrier had some good years as did Tony Parrish.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on June 26, 2014, 09:47:02 am
It really doesn't make sense that Conte went from decent to horrible in one year. The only difference was the front 7. I am holding out hope that we have improved the front 7 enough to make the safeties better. Based on what the new regime was able to do with the offense I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on the defenseive fixes.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 26, 2014, 10:22:19 am

I tend to agree on Conte.  The thing is, BOTH safeties were solid in 2012 and then both safeties had poor seasons in 2013.  We're they benefiting too much from a solid front 7 in 2012 or exposed in 2013?

If a d-lineman gets beat the LBer can clean up, if the LBer messes up, he's got the safety, if the safety screws up...touchdown!

Not making excuses for him, just saying when Peppers or Cohen or Bostic or whoever misses a tackle its not as visible as a safety. 

Conte will get a chance to retain his job but the papers seem high on the rookie Vereen.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on June 26, 2014, 01:15:50 pm
Urlacher covered alot of ground for the DBs
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 26, 2014, 06:04:12 pm
 
 The above posts from G34, Dal, Keys, and BearHit make total sense.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 27, 2014, 07:06:35 pm
 
 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 28, 2014, 12:34:59 am
 
 
 
DAY ONE 1653 AD

DA BEARRSSE BOAT is somewhere near Green Bay in Lake Michigan.

Having to pull ashore because of a storm, coming into harbor we are being pulled towards land to dock ... many woman with **** ... big ones.

Women being mounted by animals is an ordinary site.

We come ashore armed with firearms and Trojens ... no need to send any disease back home.

One of the native girls speaks to us in sign language ...

it appears that she wants to suck on a member of the crews erect male appendage.

The answer is givin as a yes in hopes of diplomacy.

Contact with the natives has been established.

DAY TWO 1653 AD

The women of the Green Bay area are not only frisky, but insatiable,

the word has spead thruout their campsite that the crew of THE CHICAGO BEAR is both indomitable but always erect.

Green Bay men although cuckolds are starting to get angry.

DAY THREE 1653 AD

As expected ... the Green Bay men react in anger after their women have been hosed by all the members of THE CHICAGO BEAR.

The expected roustabout was bought off with $24.00 dollars of beads and a mint comdition first issue of Spiderman,.

DAY FOUR 1653 AD

THE CHICAGO BEAR sails up river powered by two Evinrude moters,

into parts unknown ... next stop : THE WORLD CUP !
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 28, 2014, 07:25:07 pm
That is the only post more incomprehensible than oddo's posts, jj.  Congratulations.  You have accomplished a feat that previously has been unattainable.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on June 28, 2014, 07:34:12 pm
**** up, yes.  Incomprehensible, no.  At least not to me. 

Not that I condone what he posted at all.  I am just able to comprehend the perversion he posted. 

JJ, you are not right...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 28, 2014, 08:37:17 pm
OK.  I can go along with that. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 28, 2014, 10:00:50 pm

Okaaay....

Who makes the cut: The Bears entered the 2013 regular-season finale with 10 total offensive linemen on the active roster and six of those players including Taylor Boggs, Eben Britton, James Brown, Garza, Long and Slauson can play interior positions. Well, every one of those players is back for 2014, in addition to De La Puente. De La Puente will make the team, which means one of the other players won't make the cut. There's a good chance that player winds up being Brown.

Brown?  How about Taylor Boggs.  He's a center.  We now have 3.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on June 29, 2014, 08:19:20 am
I would agree, Boggs is the odd man out.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on June 29, 2014, 11:35:38 am
Maybe see how they perform in camp before deciding on cuts???
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 29, 2014, 02:03:18 pm
That is the only post more incomprehensible than oddo's posts, jj.  Congratulations.  You have accomplished a feat that previously has been unattainable.

 I could have called the natives the Detroit Lions in which case you would have laughed your ass off.  ;)
 
 Lighten up its the off season of June when nothing happens. ::)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 29, 2014, 07:52:42 pm
I was complimenting you, jj.    A piece of art.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 30, 2014, 09:30:51 am
Maybe see how they perform in camp before deciding on cuts???

Just my opinion in June - something tells me that the Bears will make a lot of decisions once the pads go on.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on June 30, 2014, 12:21:52 pm
Just trying not to cut Taylor Boggs short Dallas.

They keep him hanging around.

have to pull for the small school guys (Humboldt State)   where my son goes to school.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on June 30, 2014, 12:32:19 pm
The only reason I said Boggs is the odd guy out is because Garza is our starter, and De La Puente was the Saints starter for how many years under Kromer?  I think he is the heir apparent, but if Garza gets hurt in training camp things sure could change.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on June 30, 2014, 02:10:52 pm

If for some reason De La Puente beats out Garza then that would enhance Boggs chances of making the team.

Unlike last year the Bears now have 2 experienced centers in DLP and Garza plus both can play guard. I don't know that Boggs has played an NFL down plus he seems undersized at 285.

Maybe next year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 01, 2014, 02:33:14 pm
Just trying not to cut Taylor Boggs short Dallas.

They keep him hanging around.

have to pull for the small school guys (Humboldt State)   where my son goes to school.

  Humbolt State is the party school of N. CA.
 
 You'll get an education in what Colorado has already made legal and clean up on it.
 
 As this nation changes which it always does, the forerunners are coming from Humbolt State.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on July 07, 2014, 07:58:52 am
it is a shame that the Bears page on the Tribune is full of Josh Gordon, Manziel and Justin Bieber instead of any actual Bear coverage...
Oh and BTW, Jimmy Graham is actually a TE, not a WR.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 07, 2014, 04:18:42 pm
 
 Just rewatched BEARS-STEELERS @ Pittsburgh game from last year ...
 
 third game into the season.
 
 WRIGHT returned one for 6.
 
 PEPPERS returned one for 6.
 
 WRIGHT forced a fumble recovery.
 
 MELTON went on IR. D.J. WILLIAMS was still active. So was BRIGGS.
 
 PEANUT was dominant but with a groin issue.
 
 JENNINGS intercepted.
 
 In other words it was DAA BEARRSSE Defense at that point.
 
 Final score : BEARS 40 (Blocked XP) STEELERS 23
 
 BEARS DEFENSE scored 23 points.
 
 Same number as the STEELERS as a whole.
 
 So when the DEFENSE came apart, it was after that game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: stelz on July 09, 2014, 08:48:25 am
That's so funny JJ, I just watched the steelers game also and was thinking the same things.  Before all the injuries it was still a great defense, getting the TO's and scoring.  If they could have stayed healthy on D it would have been an awesome year.

They were 3-0 after that game.  Melton went out for the year during the game..Peanut was missing time already...The house of cards had just begun to collapse
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 10, 2014, 09:21:48 pm
 
 Did anyone miss this article from last week during the holiday ?
 
 If so here it is. Says alot.
________________________________________________________
 
 LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- At the newly renovated Halas Hall, which now teems with security, coach Marc Trestman often invites visitors to speak to his players about what they should already know.

Mike Singletary told them. Mike Ditka did, too. Otis Wilson and Gale Sayers also spoke to Trestman’s club about what it means to be a Chicago Bear.

 “The one thing we’ve done this year, we’ve tried to bring, tried to do a little bit more -- because we’ve got so many new faces -- [is to bring in former players to explain] what being a Bear is all about, you know?” Trestman said.
 
 “Being a Bear starts on the defensive side of the ball, and with the mentality of what a Bears defense plays like. We just want to reinforce that. We’ve got a lot of new guys and understanding what it is to play for the Bears means play[ing] tough defense.”

 For a variety reasons during Trestman’s first year with the club, the Bears drifted away from that. During former coach Lovie Smith’s tenure (2004-2012), the Bears ranked in the top three in 10 -- yes, 10 -- statistical categories.
 
  First in takeaways (310), second in interceptions (181), first in fumble recoveries (129), three-and-outs forced (485), third-down conversion percentage (34.1) and opponent red zone scoring efficiency (79.3 percent).

 It all vanished when the organization ushered Smith out the door and hired Trestman.

 In Trestman’s first season, the Bears allowed the most points (478) in franchise history, the most total yards (6,313) and rushing yards.
 
 But injuries did cost the defense a total of 5 games last season, and that’s not taking into account losing defensive lineman Turk McBride to a ruptured Achilles and Sedrick Ellis, who retired on the eve of training camp.

 No Bears opponent scored less than 20 points last season. But injuries, inexperienced backups and ineffective coaching at some positions played a role, as did other factors such as limited practice repetitions for the defense.
 
 According to multiple sources, Chicago’s defensive players over the course of a week of preparation for an opponent typically received approximately half the practice repetitions they had normally taken under Smith’s staff as offensive preparation had become a premium with the new regime.

 After last year’s 8-8 season, general manager Phil Emery, Trestman and defensive coordinator Mel Tucker huddled to look at possible solutions.
 
 By March at the NFL combine, Trestman and Emery -- in discussing the team’s plans for free agency and the draft -- were already starting to use the word “tough” to describe the types of players they wanted to add on defense.
 
 In fact, for some in the organization, toughness trumped star power.

 “We weren’t the tough team we wanted to be for a lot of different reasons,” Trestman said. “We want to accentuate it this year.”

 To do that, the Bears brought in reputed tough guys such as Jared Allen (http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/playercard?playerId=5651) and Lamarr Houston (http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/playercard?playerId=13277) to add to the defensive line, in addition to re-signing Jeremiah Ratliff (http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/playercard?playerId=8638).
 
 They fired three defensive coaches and brought in another trio with reputations for being hard-nosed personalities with the ability to teach.

 “We’re a team that wants to play -- even offensively -- with a defensive mentality,” Trestman said. “There’s a way to play football in Chicago, and that’s to be tough and physical, set a vertical edge, violent shed and run to the football.
 
 We’ve got to practice that way every day to be that team we want to be. We’re not there yet. We know that. We’re trying to get there because that’s the way every team plays in the National Football League.
 
 The best defenses play tough and physical. There’s a lot of different ways to win, but you seldom win a game [in which] you don’t win the line of scrimmage.
 
 There’s seldom a game you win where you can’t at least somewhat run the ball effectively and stop the run.”

 Trestman pointed out that the whole “toughness” storyline can be overblown, correctly stating that the attribute is a prerequisite for any player or team in the NFL. “So to start writing stories, I think is just over-exaggerating,” Trestman said.

 It is. But breaking down the importance of knowing what it takes to play Chicago’s brand of football is not.
 
 Of Chicago’s league-high 27 Hall of Famers, nine of them played defense. Since the first Bears players started earning Pro Bowl recognition in 1951, 119 of the club’s 226 selections have been defenders.

 The Monsters of the Midway nickname came about due to dominant teams from the ’40s, which featured rough and tumble defenses. In Chicago, its defenses have always maintained a certain identity.

 So while it’s certainly refreshing to see Chicago’s offense finally blossom under Trestman, the coach is correct in his attempt to make sure the club doesn’t stray from its roots.

 “We need to be tough in our front, in our front seven and throughout our football team, throughout our defense,” Tucker said. “We preach that every day and they seem to want to be like that.”

 Whether they will be, we’ll soon know.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 11, 2014, 06:51:35 pm

NFL Fantasy: Five Sleeper Defenses

 by Erik Lambert 1d ago 
Defense wins championship and sometimes NFL fantasy leagues too.  What are some sleepers for owners to keep an eye out for?

New England Patriots

It hasn’t been the case for a long time but things may finally be looking up for the New England Patriots defense.  Thanks to some savvy free agent maneuvering that landed them Darrelle Revis and Brandon Browner, their Belichick-coached unit suddenly looks pretty good heading into 2014.  Together with a strong linebacking corps built with Jerod Mayo and the emerging Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones on the pass rush, NFL fantasy owners can feel much safer taking a risk on this group.

Jacksonville Jaguars

Gus Bradley wanted to show fans of the Jacksonville Jaguars and indeed the rest of the league that he knows what he’s doing, and it surrounds the idea of following the blueprint he helped devise in Seattle.  That means establishing a strong defense.  Things did not start out well in 2013, but towards the second half of last season one began to see progress in Bradley’s young group.  Now, thanks to the additions of some quality veteran experience such as Red Bryant, Chris Clemons and Ziggy Hood the Jags are in prime position to surprise this year.

Green Bay Packers

Dom Capers is a prove defensive coordinator and helped the Green Bay Packers win a Super Bowl but he’s been under the gun lately for his unit’s struggles the past two seasons.  Part of the problem is injuries but also lacking pass rush and inconsistency at safety.  Hopes are high that a couple of key off-season moves by GM Ted Thompson have changed that.  Veteran pass rusher Julius Peppers in from free agency while 1st round pick Ha Ha Clinton-Dix is expected to take over at free safety.  Together with a healthy Clay Matthews and strong group of corners the Pack a primed for a turnaround in NFL fantasy circles.

Chicago Bears

The same plan is on the minds of their biggest rival, the Chicago Bears.  Their fall from grace was even further last season as they finished 30th overall and worst in the league in run defense and sacks.  In order to turn things around head coach Marc Trestman and GM Phil Emery set about making some changes, both to the roster and the coaching staff.  They added more experience to their defensive line and linebacker coaching positions and then set about using free agency and the draft to infuse the depth chart with some life.  Among their haul include All-Pro defensive end Jared Allen, solid former starters Lamarr Houston and Willie Young and 1st round corner Kyle Fuller.  They also retained Charles Tillman and Tim Jennings.  Provided they can avoid the catastrophic injuries they suffered last year, this defense should rebound.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

If there is one thing Lovie Smith knows, it’s defense.  He built some of the best of the past decade when he was head coach in Chicago, especially in NFL fantasy leagues.  Now he has a chance to add to his growing reputation with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.  He inherits a strong core of solid players like Gerald McCoy and Lavonte David and his front office quickly added Pro Bowl corner Alterraun Verner and defensive end Michael Johnson.  It’s an understated but very strong group that has a chance to turn some heads in 2014.


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Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 11, 2014, 08:00:40 pm
 
 By Brad Biggs, Tribune reporter
10:10 p.m. CDT, July 10, 2014

In the topsy-turvy world of the NFL, where you often find a worst-to-first story, the Bears have managed to do something difficult since their last Super Bowl appearance.

They have found a way to hang around mediocre most of that period: Never quite good enough but almost always clinging to hope in the final month of the season.

The Bears have reached the playoffs only once in the last seven seasons and not once in that span have they had a top-10 draft pick. They have been the ultimate tease.

At this time last summer, you could call it an aberration they finished 10-6 in 2012 and did not reach the postseason. Now, you can reflect back on the final game of 2013 when the NFC North title came down to last-minute loss to the Packers at Soldier Field. Was that a seed of optimism or another reminder the team fell just short?

The Bears are self-assured with the July 24 reporting date to training camp in Bourbonnais fast approaching. The offense was among the best in the league a year ago and returns every starter. The defense was the focus of free-agent spending and the draft.

General manager Phil Emery, in his introductory news conference in 2012, spoke about winning multiple championships. He still uses championship in the plural from time to time. It's an expectation he has made very public for those inside Halas Hall. Coach Marc Trestman's second season (and Emery's third) can be evaluated as a success only if the club reaches the postseason.

"That is the only way you can gauge success in the NFL," said left tackle Jermon Bushrod, one of four players (Kelvin Hayden, Tim Jennings, Ryan Mundy) on the roster with a Super Bowl ring. "With the guys we brought in and the people we have on offense and the way we can … get our defensive guys more familiar with the scheme, we have a really good shot. It's about what we do collectively."

The Bears' last playoff appearance came in 2010 when they reached the NFC championship game after defeating the sub-.500 Seahawks in the divisional round. The highest they have drafted in the last seven years is No. 14 (twice) with the No. 11 overall pick in 2009 going to the Broncos in the Jay Cutler trade. That's what makes their extended stay in mediocrity somewhat unusual. They haven't bombed out in any season.

Emery has been forthright. He doesn't believe he's serving ownership with any kind of rebuilding phase. He's making moves with an eye toward the future but his primary objective and overriding goal is to compete this year every year.

The top of the draft is where it is easiest to find elite talent but and the Bears have not been there. They are one of just five clubs (Patriots, Giants, Steelers, Chargers) to avoid a top-10 pick in the last eight drafts. The other four have 17 playoff appearances between them, six Super Bowl appearances and three Lombardi Trophies in that span. That is what makes the Bears' inclusion on this list an anomaly.

Seven teams (Ravens, Cowboys, Broncos, Packers, Colts, Saints, Eagles) have had a top-10 pick just once in the last eight drafts and those teams have combined for 30 playoff appearances, five Super Bowl appearances and three titles.

The Bears have avoided sustained losing and largely that has been accomplished with a stout defense. Of course, the team's identity has shifted dramatically under Trestman.

Only the Broncos scored more points than the Bears' 445 last season. They played six games against teams in the bottom nine in the NFL in scoring defense and two against top-10 scoring defenses. But entering the second year in Trestman's system has the Bears as confident entering camp as they were in 2011 coming off the trip to the conference title game. They believe they can compete with anyone.

Revamping the defensive line with ends Jared Allen, Lamarr Houston and Willie Young should make the Bears much better rushing the passer. Playoff-caliber teams have to get after the quarterback.

If Lance Briggs and Charles Tillman remain healthy and draft picks Kyle Fuller, Ego Ferguson and Will Sutton emerge, the defense should be much improved. The Bears don't have to be great on defense like they have been in the recent past. They have more margin for error with a high-powered offense capable of moving the ball through the air and on the ground.

Allen said it was more what the Bears have on the other side of the ball that lured him to the team in free agency.

"I know what it takes to prepare for this offense, and it sucks," he said.

Whether or not Allen is a missing link remains to be seen. Julius Peppers was a Pro Bowl selection in three of his first four years with the team and the club reached the postseason just once.

There is no way around the fact playoff aspirations have been unfulfilled too often. It's why coach Lovie Smith, who reached the playoffs in his second season in 2005 with Kyle Orton at quarterback, was fired after the 10-6 finish in 2012. Reaching the postseason is part of the cultural accountability within the organization now. The Bears need to deliver in 2014 because there isn't any more margin for excuses.

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Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 24, 2014, 12:44:58 am
 
 What do we want as CHICAGO BEARS fans in 2014?
 
 Realistically ... whats our goal?
 
 I say we can do this with a TEAM  ... on PAPER.
 
 We WILL flat out knock off other teams that we are expected we wont.
 
 Other teams that we saw as nobody will beat us.
 
 This is the constant that once you are too big for your shoes,
 
  will KILL you.
 
 But heres how to be under the RADAR ... win by enough.
 
 This is a TEAM in rebuild ... dont show your hand ...
 
 STRIKE when needed ... keep your cards close to your vest ...
 
 there are situations that may be out of control ...
 
 let them be out of control ... you cant win evey game.
 
 We can double back and win those games later as the TEAM gels.
 
 The games you can win ... you must win them.
 
 The building blocks of a TEAM on the rise.
 
 THE BIG THREE THRU WEEK 8 :
 
 CHICAGO BEARS @ Frisco Week 2.
 
 GREEN BAY @ Soldiers Week 4
 
 CHICAGO BEARS @ New England Week 8
 
 Thru the first half of the season ...
 
  this is where you make your bones at man ...
 
 this defines your ass.
 
 If we walk off the field at 0-3 ... theres more work to be done.
 
 Thats just the motherfucking way it is.
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 25, 2014, 10:31:08 am

Reading about the Cowboys opening of training camp this morning and it sounds like Chicago Bears south. 

4 ex-Bears on the team currently:

Henry Melton DT
Amobi Okoye  DT (why wasn't he signed last year)
Caleb Hanie QB
Tyler Clutts FB

Would have been 5 but Kyle Orton just decided not to report.  Instead of resigning from the NFL he somehow got the Cowboys to cut him so gets to keep most or all of his signing bonus.  He walked away from something like $3M as Tony Romo's backup.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 25, 2014, 02:36:00 pm
 
 I could live on 3 mil. for a couple of weeks.  ::)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 25, 2014, 03:29:11 pm

You'd have to spend about $9000 an hour even while you slept.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 25, 2014, 04:06:27 pm
You'd have to spend about $9000 an hour even while you slept.

 No WONDER Im going broke on my previous 3 Mil.
 
 I've been outspending myself.
 
 Ok ... cancel buying Sioux City Iowa.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 25, 2014, 06:28:36 pm
 
 Wow If I was THE CHICAGO BEARS at Bourbonnais ...
 
 Id pretty much give the Offense the day off ...
 
 I really dont care about them.
 
 That FUCKIN BEARS DEFENSE on the other hand ...
 
 Id put these motherfuckers thru the ropes man ...
 
 Id hump these **** whos shoes there is to fill ...
 
 I'd let em know ... YOU ARE IT!  **** THE PAST !
 
 THE CHICAGO BEARS HISTORY ...
 
 alights like Angels and Devils on your shoulders at Soldiers.
 
 No matter what happens to you for the rest of your life ...
 
 that PERMANENT SCAR will be on your resume.
 
 You were that CHICAGO BEAR. Ask Urlacher.  :D   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 30, 2014, 08:51:03 pm
 
   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 02, 2014, 08:25:47 pm

by Kevin Gibson

 Green Bay Packers cornerback Sam Shields signed a $33 million contract extension during the off-season. His fellow starter Tramon Williams is a $9.5 million cap hit this year. And if reports out of Packers training camp are true, they won’t be allowed to do their jobs.

According to a Packers.com post by Vic Ketchman, Referee Ed Hochuli and his crew threw flags on nearly every play of a one-on-one drill designed to illustrate how the new rules will work.

Advantage: offense.

“Get ready for a lot of points scored in the NFL this season,” Ketchman wrote.

Remember the old Bell Telephone ad campaign, “Reach out and touch someone?” Not in the NFL.

Remember the old Bell Telephone ad campaign, “Reach out and touch someone?” Not in the NFL.

“Penalties are going to be really high this year and the fans are going to be booing because there’s going to be yellow flags all over the place,” backup cornerback Jarrett Bush, who was flagged once in the drill on Thursday, told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal. “There’s going to be a ton of points on the board. There’s got to be something to help corners.”

Darn those Seattle Seahawks anyway. They figured out how to shut down Peyton Manning in the Super Bowl, and now the league is scrambling to keep the offenses zooming along. We can’t have these pesky defensive backs making NFL quarterbacks look human.

If this holds all season, it won’t be long before Richard Sherman is trash-talking Jeff Triplette on SportsCenter. Heck, this could revive Tim Tebow’s career.

Look but don't touch. Raymond T. Rivard photograph
Look, but don’t touch.
 Raymond T. Rivard photograph
 
Physicality in the NFL, for defensive backs at least, apparently is over. From what I understand, if an official sees contact, he looks at the quarterback, and the passer still has the ball in his hand, it’s a penalty. This is how the man-press coverage scheme becomes the you’re-screwed coverage scheme.

In addition, Hochuli told the Journal-Sentinel that position will be more greatly enforced – if a cornerback establishes a space, he has the right to that space, but stepping in front of a receiver to deflect or intercept a pass will be more difficult because the receiver now has the right to get there first. The veteran official likened it to the blocking call in basketball.

“I would expect there may be more fouls called in the first preseason game and the first regular-season game,” Hochuli told the Journal-Sentinel. “The big one is holding. We’ve also tightened up the rule on illegal contact. We’ve always given a little leeway on that.”

Not any longer. Scores are going to be big this year, and all the so-called shutdown corners in the league are going to be compromised, forced to learn a new way to do their jobs.

Given this development, perhaps all that money the Packers spent on Williams would have been better spent on Randall Cobb.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 02, 2014, 08:35:29 pm
Gerrard Sheppard with a nice deep catch going to the ground on a go route against Ryan White. He's making an impression.

Another good-looking rookie.  Just newly signed from NYJ waiver.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 02, 2014, 09:29:44 pm

Comment From Steve
How does Peppers look in the upright stance? 



 




8:15
 


 Vic Ketchman: He looks natural. He would've fit beautifully as a 3-4 outside linebacker his whole career. The Texans should've drafted him instead of David Carr.
 
 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 02, 2014, 09:33:13 pm
If Nick Perry stays healthy this season, look out!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 02, 2014, 10:11:58 pm
Q.Julius Peppers, an old pass rusher playing a position in the base defense that he has never played before, was your major off-season acquisition. Do you think it's going to work out?

A. I think so. I think that those that have doubted Mr. Peppers most of the time have been wrong. He is, as people have been able to see over the last few days, a gifted athlete despite being a little older than some. I look forward to watching him. He seems anxious to do it, too.

Q.Before signing Peppers, did you harken back to April 1993 and the free-agent signing of 31-year-old Reggie White? Is there a comparison to be made between them?

A. No, I didn't harken back. That's a good word. No, I didn't put the two together. We had a couple conversations and there was interest on our part. There was genuine interest we could tell on his part. We were able to do it, and he flies in and signs the contract and was back home before anybody even knew about it. That's the way we like to do business.

TT in a recent interview.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 02, 2014, 11:13:24 pm
Peppers is a freak of an athlete. But he is getting older and is absent some games.  He will make a few game changing plays for the Packers.  There is no doubt about that.  He will not command double teams nor will he make Clay Matthews a god.  He will be a guy that will make some plays but will be stealing reps from younger guys who could be developing.

I give Peppers 7 sacks and a couple of turnovers.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on August 03, 2014, 09:29:08 am
My daughters new Cheerleading gym is about an hour and 15 min away from our house just south of Richmond VA.  She had choreography from 10am  - 5pm last Tuesday.  I didn't want to waste time driving back and forth so I decided to kill some time and go watch a movie.  How does this relate to football and around the league you ask?  Well I'm getting there.  I asked Siri for the early movies in the Richmond area and decided to go watch the Purge movie since I could get in and out and back to pick her up on time.  Siri guided me to the theater in Richmond off Broad street.  I turned the corner and there were a bunch of cops blocking roads and redirecting traffic.  I said WTF?  I pulled up to the road block and they cop asked me if I was here for training camp.  I forgot the **** Deadskins moved training camp to Richmond this year.  I told him **** no I don't want to watch those pieces of ****.  I just want to watch a movie.  They were using part of the parking lot of the theater for parking.  The cop laughed and said he doesn't blame me he said he was a Dallas fan and didn't like having to deal with retarded Redskins fans.  He didn't think it was too funny when I said, "man you guys are really gonna suck bad this year too aren't you?"  All he said was go through and turn left for the theater....

 ;D ;D ;D




Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on August 03, 2014, 09:32:12 am
BTW if you liked the first purge you will like this one.  I thought this one had a better plot.  It isn't going to win any awards but that isn't what anyone is going to go see it for anyway.

Lucy I killed time with on Tuesday.  Don't waste your money.  Google Scarlett Johanson if you want to see her.  That is all the movie was worth seeing is her.  It totally sucked!

Wanted to see the monkey movie but it was way too long and I couldn't find a theater where it started early enough for me to get out on time to pick up the kid.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on August 03, 2014, 09:38:44 am
Saw Lucy too. Strange movie. Wasn't what I thought it was going to be. More of a 'let's push evolution' nonsense. They could have taken this movie to the top, done right. But man it got way too strange for me.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on August 03, 2014, 08:03:59 pm
speaking of movies.... I was going to take my wife to the movies this weekend for our anniversary.....
Our options (based on both our preferences and reviews) were

A most wanted man
And So It Goes
Wish I was here.

because of the movie times we ended up watching "And so it goes"
It was decent but my wife and realized most of the audience was old enough to be our parents.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 03, 2014, 08:12:37 pm
Most of the movies suck anymore and you might as well wait until you can watch it at home and save your money.  I only go to the actual theatre for the big ones.  I go to the movies maybe twice a year or so.   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on August 03, 2014, 08:35:36 pm
yeah, we usually wait for them to come out on DVD.
We haven't been on many dates the past few years so we try to take advantage when we have a sitter.
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Post by: Keysbear on August 03, 2014, 08:54:59 pm
Excited about the new season starting but boy, these preseason games really suck
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on August 04, 2014, 07:07:49 am
There's a few movies I'm looking forward to seeing when the finally come out, biggest one is 'Left Behind' with Nicolas Cage in it. Then of course there's 'Dumb and Dumber To', finally a sequel from the original guys, lol.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 06, 2014, 01:09:50 am
 
 Sporty,
 
 Could the 2014 CHICAGO BEARS be made into a movie?
 
 And WHY was the 1985 CHICAGO BEARS never made into a movie ...yet?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 07, 2014, 08:06:42 pm
Posted by Darin Gantt on August 7, 2014, 5:52 PM EDT

Buccaneers Camp Football
AP

During his year off from the NFL, Buccaneers coach Lovie Smith was already thinking about his staff.

And when it was time to think about an offensive coordinator, he called up one of the quarterbacks who had given him so many problems when he was coaching the Bears.

And it was the referral from Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers that led Smith to hire former Cal coach Jeff Tedford as his offensive coordinator.

“I got a text last fall from Aaron, who said, ‘Lovie Smith is going to be calling you,’ ” Tedford said, via Jim Corbett of USA Today. “Then Lovie asked, ‘Can you come here to Chicago in a few days?’ “

That was that.

“Having played against Aaron, I really respected him as a player,” Smith said. “I wanted a guy with an expertise at the quarterback position. . . . I talked to Aaron a few times. He was in the room with Jeff, knew how Jeff helped his career.

“He gave Jeff a ringing endorsement.”

Tedford was known for molding quarterbacks in college, and for adapting to their individual strengths. He had quarterbacks as diverse as Trent Dilfer and Akili Smith before Rogers, so he’s clearly flexible.

Now, he’s working with Josh McCown, as he tries to revive the league’s worst offense. If he can, the Bucs can thank the Packers for the good word.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 07, 2014, 08:53:56 pm

Best Offseason, Team: Chicago Bears

Last season proved to be unbearable for the team from the Windy City.

A franchise known for its toughness thanks to a traditionally tough defense couldn’t stop much of anything in 2013.

However, thanks to free agency and the draft, the Chicago Bears look like they have fixed the leaks that eventually turned a 3-0 start into a mediocre 8-8 finish.

The club that finished 30th in the NFL in total defense, last in the league in stopping the run and allowed a whopping 478 points this past season (tied for the second most in the NFL) has done plenty to rectify the situation.

General manager Phil Emery added defensive ends Jared Allen, Lamarr Houston and Willie Young to help a pass rush that managed a mere 31 sacks a year ago—tied for the second fewest in the league. Emery used four of his top five picks in May on this side of the ball, adding cornerback Kyle Fuller, defensive tackles Ego Ferguson and Will Sutton and safety Brock Vereen. The latter looks like the starter at free safety, at least until Chris Conte is healthy.

Offensively, the team is primed for a big season. All the pieces are in place for head coach Marc Trestman. The key is whether quarterback Jay Cutler can start all 16 games for the first time since 2009. A year ago, only the Denver Broncos scored more points than the Bears.

Over the past few days, there have been a few bumps in the road. Larry Mayer of ChicagoBears.com talks about promising second-year wide receiver Marquess Wilson, who will be sidelined indefinitely with a broken clavicle. Meanwhile, David Haugh of the Chicago Tribune recaps the latest on tight end Martellus Bennett and his altercation with Fuller at training camp.

Still, there have been plenty of positives for a club that looks to get back to the playoffs after a three-year absence
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on August 08, 2014, 10:30:23 pm
Just read on Twitter that Josh McCown's QB rating tonight was 25.

Just sayin'...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on August 12, 2014, 07:16:12 am
Are you kiddin me?!  He played in 4 series and that stud went 2 for 4 for 20 yards and a pick 6, 2 sacks and lost a fumble on his half of the field!

He's starter material and deserves a huge starter contract.  Totally better than that bum the Bears kept.  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on August 12, 2014, 12:27:51 pm

Not sure why folks you are so down on McCown.  He had a sensational season last year and actually was statistically superior to Cutler.

This season with Tampa he won't have 2 pro-bowl receivers, a near pro-bowl HB, a fine TE and a very good pass blocking O-line.  So most likely he won't approach the season he had with the Bears.

His rating in  his first preseason game reflects the quality of his teammates, his unfamiliarity with them and the system as well as not having the guidance of a guru like Trestman.

So what?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on August 12, 2014, 12:49:58 pm
Agreed - Trent Dilfer would succeed with this offense
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on August 12, 2014, 02:05:36 pm
McCown was the perfect backup for this team.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on August 12, 2014, 02:56:28 pm
Lets see how Clausen picks things up.  He could be a better backup, I think he has a little more zip on the ball.  If he can get the system down pat, it could be a win win.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on August 12, 2014, 03:57:02 pm
Not sure why folks you are so down on McCown.  He had a sensational season last year and actually was statistically superior to Cutler.

This season with Tampa he won't have 2 pro-bowl receivers, a near pro-bowl HB, a fine TE and a very good pass blocking O-line.  So most likely he won't approach the season he had with the Bears.

His rating in  his first preseason game reflects the quality of his teammates, his unfamiliarity with them and the system as well as not having the guidance of a guru like Trestman.

So what?

Hey...he's got the guidance of Lovie. What more do you want?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on August 12, 2014, 04:34:13 pm
Lets see how Clausen picks things up.  He could be a better backup, I think he has a little more zip on the ball.  If he can get the system down pat, it could be a win win.

I am interested in seeing how Clausen does in this offense. Like Cuttler he seems to throw into coverage a bit. OTOH if he is to succeed in the NFL his best chance is in this offense. However, I wont hold my breath.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on August 12, 2014, 11:30:25 pm
Was thinking the same thing about Lovie. He wasn't exactly a great offensive mind, so I guess seeing some regression in McCown is to be expected. Heck, maybe even a lot of regression.....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 15, 2014, 12:10:11 am
 
 Wernt we suppossed to be playing N.E. in pre season ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on August 15, 2014, 08:13:50 am
Any news on Johnny Manziel??

Sure can't find much about him on NFL channel
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on August 15, 2014, 11:14:31 am

I think Manziel will be playing on MNF next week against the Redskins.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on August 15, 2014, 11:33:00 am

Now we know why the Bears didn't contact Okoye last year when we had needs at DT:

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/11355661/amobi-okoye-dallas-cowboys-intent-unprecedented-return
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 17, 2014, 04:36:33 pm
 
 After watching the Chargers/Seahawks game,
 
 the Seattle QB's will flat out take off and score,
 
 if their OL gives them a lane.
 
 They kept doing it over and over again.
 
 They have to be stopped and the only way is we ghost their QB's,
 
 with a LB/Secondary to shadow them 24/7.
 
 Otherwise they are going to score on us,
 
 if our Defense lets their Offense open lanes for them.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on August 17, 2014, 04:46:50 pm

Urlacher tried to that.  Pulled his hammy and that was his career.

We all were down on our defense for letting a rookie QB beat us.  Turns out next season he won the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 17, 2014, 06:17:04 pm
Urlacher tried to that.  Pulled his hammy and that was his career.

We all were down on our defense for letting a rookie QB beat us.  Turns out next season he won the Super Bowl.


 Seattle is not God. The Chargers got outsmarted by leaving the middle of the lanes open while they were off chasing the rest of the lineup.
 
 They failed to take into account Seattles running QB's.
 
 Of which they have three. All we have to do is plug the middle.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 17, 2014, 11:22:57 pm
That's part of it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on August 18, 2014, 09:27:53 am

Stopping the Seahawks offense is only half the problem.  Their strength is on the other side of the line.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on August 18, 2014, 07:52:59 pm
trying to watch a few min. of wash/cleveland, the pro game is becoming completely unwatchable.  A billion flags, no touch anybody, replay, reversals, its getting past stupid.  46 is preparing to go into shutdown mode.  Why not? I did with baseball, haven't missed it a bit.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: JeffH on August 18, 2014, 07:58:55 pm
Johnny Manziel is going to get stomped like a narc at a biker rally.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 18, 2014, 07:59:21 pm
Preseason is always tough to watch because of flags.  It will lesson once the season begins.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on August 18, 2014, 08:35:29 pm
I see they're being ridiculous with the 'can't even touch the QB' nonsense, maybe even worse than last season. If they're going to be this soft on QB's, maybe put flags on the guy??
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 19, 2014, 12:31:03 am
 
 I need answers ... who is our new strength and conditioning coach?
 
 Who was our old strength and conditioning coach under Lovie ?
 
 Remember we brought in a new S&C coach in the second half of Lovies tenure ?
 
 Who was he ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on August 19, 2014, 07:23:36 am
Rusty Jones was the one that came in and helped Lovie.
He retired Jan 2013.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 21, 2014, 08:00:27 pm
http://fansided.com/2014/08/20/nfl-playoff-chances-32-teams/?utm_source=FanSided%20Daily&utm_medium=email#!bHOrWB
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 21, 2014, 08:45:34 pm
Marc from Dousman, WI

Given the new emphasis by officials on the use of hands by DBs and hands to the face by the offensive line, a strong pass rush is going to be an absolute necessity for any defense. What do you think?

I think it’ll have to be sudden, otherwise it won’t have time to get home because the ball is going to come out quickly. Scheme will become more important in rushing the quarterback. Rushers will have to come free to get home. Defensive coordinators will have to be very good at picking their spots. I think the 3-4 is made for this new game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 21, 2014, 10:03:34 pm
Editor's note: our thanks to Paul for his series of previews on the Packers' divisional opponents. See his work on the Bears and Vikings also.

Of the two biggest changes the Lions made this year, the more important is almost certainly Jim Caldwell replacing Jim Schwartz. Caldwell brings with him a reputation as a quarterback guru, and Detroit is collectively hoping his staff can turn around one of the most undisciplined and - let's face it - hilarious teams in recent football memory. It's not just that the Lions collapsed last year. It's not just that they perennially fail to live up to the hype created by their big name stars. It's that no one seems to fail quite like the Detroit Lions. From fumbled snaps to frequent unnecessary roughness penalties to baffling interceptions and incredibly ill-timed fumbles in the snow, the Lions under Schwartz more often than not went out of their way to lose.

Defense

It's easy to blame this kind of thing on the head coach and I understand the hope that things will improve in a new regime. Coaching changes do matter and discipline can matter. Few doubt that working under Tom Coughlin is different than working under Lovie Smith. The problem as I see it for the Lions is that I believe some of their players are simply bad people. Compounding the problem, they are frequently difficult-to-bench bad people. Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley help to make up one of the stoutest defensive lines in football. They are also people who have shown a tendency to fly off the handle and stomp on opponents. You can attempt to impose discipline on them, but that often means taking them off the field, which makes the Lions much worse in terms of the talent on said field. It's a bit of a catch-22.

Discipline aside, the Lions boast what was by far the best defense in the division a year ago - they were the only unit in the NFC North that finished better than 25th in Football Outsiders' DVOA (they were 14th). They were not without their weaknesses (see this post from last season), but they were extremely stout against the run and fair against the pass most of the time. If Rashean Mathis is still a prominent member of the secondary they may struggle in that area, but there is some young talent that may develop (Darius Slay) and their front seven is capable of covering for a lot.

Furthermore, they were one of the few teams in the North that could routinely generate some kind of pass rush without blitzing. When you consider that the three contenders in the 2013 NFC North all possessed good-to-great offenses (when healthy) and that, of the three only the Lions possessed any semblance of a defense, it is downright shocking that they collapsed. It's in their nature, as previously mentioned, but there's more to this story. Let's move on to what I like to call:

Offense: The Megatron Effect

Calvin Johnson doesn't get enough credit. That may sound insane as even the national media calls him "Megatron" and he is widely regarded as the games greatest receiver, yet it's entirely true. In football the hardest part about working with statistics is deciding who gets credit for what. There are so many moving parts that assigning blame and credit always requires some guesswork, and we tend to default to the idea that on offense the quarterback deserves most of the blame and most of the credit. Generally speaking this is a good idea. The problem is that every so often you run into a situation like the Detroit Lions.

In his last 3 seasons Matthew Stafford has started all 16 games and averaged 403 completions, 680 attempts (59.2%), 4808 yards, 24 TDs and 18 picks a year. In 2010 Stafford missed most of the season. The Lions saw Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton start 13 games in his absence. If you combine their numbers and project them out to a full 16 game season, Shrew Stanhill had 401 completions in 658 attempts (61%), 4266 yards, 24 TDs and 18 picks. Consider also that Shrew, the definition of a replacement level quarterback, was playing with a still developing (but very good) Johnson while Stafford has had peak-Megatron. While these numbers superficially look pretty good, you can make a strong case that given the level of support in Detroit that Stafford has been barely (if at all) above replacement level. That's the effect that Calvin Johnson can have on a team.

I would usually resort to throwing some advanced stats here about Stafford's true performance, and while both Pro Football Focus and Football Outsiders don't see Stafford as one of the best in the business, they do generally see him as top ten. Personally, I think they hugely overrate Stafford. It is difficult to prove because of all the reasons previously listed, but when you consider that in addition to Megatron he also has a better supporting cast than old Shrew, the shine starts to come off of the video game numbers that Stafford has managed to put up over the last 3 years. There are certain quarterbacks who are able to function with just about any competent supporting cast, and there's a subset that can only be successful with the right tools. The Matt Ryans and Andy Daltons of the world live in this tier along with Stafford.

In many ways Stafford is emblematic of the terrible luck, bad timing, and incompetence of the recent Lions.* Stafford in 2009 and Suh in 2010 were both picked and signed under the old CBA, which allowed for highly paid rookies and often worked as a trap for bad teams trying to rebuild. They combined to receive over $80 million in guaranteed money on their rookie deals. Compounding this problem was the fact that while both are useful players, neither are really stars, at least in my opinion. In the case of Stafford this problem was made even worse by the Calvin Johnson effect, and this is what I mean when I say he doesn't get enough credit.

* By recent I mean "for their entire existence."

Receivers, even great ones, do not make nearly as much as quarterbacks, and mistaking receiver production for quarterback production can be expensive. Every dollar of value you mistakenly assign to a quarterback instead of a receiver is multiplied when it comes time to negotiate a contract. Before the 2013 season, the Lions extended Stafford for another $41.5 million of guaranteed money. If you subscribe to the theory that Stafford is probably mediocre at best, it is a heck of a lot of money to tie up in him, even if it's not necessarily as ridiculous as the Flacco or Romo deals. Moreover, it is a symptom of a team failing to recognize quarterback as a problem area in the first place.

To summarize, Stafford is an inefficient volume passer. He routinely puts up great fantasy numbers because he frequently leads the league in attempts, but he rarely exceeds a 60% completion percentage and almost always throws more than one interception per game. He also usually fumbles five or six times a season, and had a disastrous 12 last year.

Many pundits believe that Detroit will improve because they've finally found a complement for Calvin Johnson in Golden Tate, but this drastically underrates the supporting cast he had a year ago. Both Joique Bell and Reggie Bush are very good receivers out of the backfield and they have thrown on the field some tight ends who are at least competent receivers. Subjectively speaking, I'm also not sure that Johnson needs the help that much. It's certainly not bad to have a better second receiver, but it may also take some valuable targets away from Johnson.

In short, Johnson's biggest enemy isn't coverage - it's Stafford. Megatron is so great at making circus catches, at going up and getting balls, that it lets his quarterback off the hook. Stafford rarely puts the ball in an ideal spot, often robbing Johnson of forward momentum and putting him in harm's way. Golden Tate is unlikely to fix this problem, and is himself very likely to suffer at Stafford's hand.

Is Golden Tate an improvement over the Lions' other number two wideouts in recent years? Yes, he almost certainly is. Does he fix a fundamental problem? No, I believe he does not. The fundamental problem with the Lions is that they think they have a star at the most important position in the game when, what they actually have, is the equivalent of Sam Bradford with much better weapons. Stafford is a basically a parasite on their offense. If Calvin Johnson starts to decline or gets hurt, the Lions will quickly find themselves with a bottom-ten quarterback. Last year Johnson missed two games, both against bad defenses. The first was a 22-9 loss to the Packers in which Stafford threw for 262 yards and 1 TD with no interceptions. Stafford's TD came in garbage time with the Packers merely trying to kill the clock. The other game Johnson missed was against the Vikings in the last game of the season, a 14-13 loss in which Stafford threw for 217 yards, 1 TD and no picks. By most metrics (and the eye test) the Packers and Vikings had atrocious defenses.

It's certainly possible that the Lions improve. There is some room for the defense to get better, they may be able to shape up the locker room, and Golden Tate is a quality player, but given the potential improvement across the division and the fact that they employ the Antoine Walker of the NFL at quarterback I'm still immensely skeptical of the Lions, and probably will continue to be so until Stafford is gone. If they finish below the Vikings it won't surprise me a bit.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 21, 2014, 10:10:32 pm
I agree 100% with that article.  Stafford is vastly over rated.  Calvin Johnson is a great receiver.  Even more so due to the fact he has a very mediocre QB.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on August 29, 2014, 04:08:58 pm
The Bills cut Jordan Palmer.  Hope he didn't give then anything useful.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on August 29, 2014, 05:17:57 pm
That's interesting. So if Cutler goes down they can give him a call
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 30, 2014, 04:23:48 pm
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/8/28/6074397/24-maps-that-explain-the-nfl

Football facts.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 30, 2014, 04:59:15 pm
 
 
   Bears cut 17 to reach 53-man limit By Larry Mayer
    The Bears reached the NFL’s 53-man roster limit Saturday by releasing 15 players, including nickel back Kelvin Hayden, offensive lineman Eben Britton and receiver Chris Williams.

In addition to Williams, others who were waived included receivers Josh Bellamy and Dale Moss; center Taylor Boggs; defensive tackles Brandon Dunn, Lee Pegues and Tracy Robertson; linebackers Jerry Franklin and DeDe Lattimore; guard Ryan Groy; and cornerbacks Al Louis-Jean and C.J. Wilson.

 
 
(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/images/imported/CHI/Hayden_inside022814.jpg)
Kelvin Hayden[/t][/r][/t]The Bears also terminated the contracts of Hayden, Britton and defensive end Austen Lane, and waived safety M.D. Jennings with an injury settlement.

Hayden appeared in all 16 games with two starts in 2012, recording 40 tackles and one interception, before missing all of last season with a torn hamstring he sustained during training camp. The Chicago native joined the Bears after spending his first seven NFL seasons with the Colts (2005-10) and Falcons (2011).

Britton played in 13 games with four starts as a sixth eligible lineman last year in his first season with the Bears. He missed most of training camp and the first three preseason games with a knee injury.

A former CFL standout, Williams was competing for jobs as a reserve receiver and return specialist, but he missed two weeks with a hamstring injury he sustained on a 73-yard touchdown reception in the preseason opener against the Eagles. Williams averaged 27.0 yards on three kickoff returns in the preseason.

The Bears opted to keep rookie third-string quarterback David Fales(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) on their 53-man roster. The sixth-round draft pick from San Jose State completed 18 of 31 passes for 214 yards with one touchdown, two interceptions and a 63.1 passer rating in two preseason games.

The Bears kept four running backs, including backups Ka’Deem Carey, Shaun Draughn(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) and Senorise Perry(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif). Six receivers made the 53-man roster, including Santonio Holmes(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Josh Morgan(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Micheal Spurlock(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) and Marquess Wilson(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), who will miss part of the regular season with a broken collarbone.

The Bears kept one fullback (Tony Fiammetta(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif)) and three tight ends (Martellus Bennett(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Matthew Mulligan(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) and Dante Rosario(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif)). Their three reserve offensive linemen are center Brian de la Puente(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), tackle Charles Leno(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) Jr. and tackle/guard Michael Ola(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif).

Ten defensive linemen made the final roster with David Bass(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Trevor Scott(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) and Cornelius Washington(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) beating out Lane at end behind Jared Allen(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Lamarr Houston(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) and Willie Young(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif).

The Bears kept six linebackers with undrafted rookie Christian Jones(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) edging Franklin and Lattimore to join Lance Briggs(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Jonathan Bostic(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Khaseem Greene(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Shea McClellin(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) and D.J. Williams(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif).

At cornerback, Demontre Hurst(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) beat out Hayden, Louis-Jean and Wilson behind Charles Tillman(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Tim Jennings(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Kyle Fuller(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) and Sherrick McManis(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif). The Bears kept only four safeties in Chris Conte(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Danny McCray(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Ryan Mundy(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) and Brock Vereen(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif).

The Bears kept 11 rookies on their 53-man roster. All eight draft picks made it (Fuller, defensive tackles Ego Ferguson(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif) and Will Sutton(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Carey, Vereen, Fales, punter Pat O’Donnell and Leno Jr.) along with two undrafted free agents (Perry and Jones) and a waived free agent (Ola).

The Bears can establish a 10-man practice squad on Sunday and also can claim players who've been waived by other NFL teams. In past seasons, the Bears have typically stocked their practice squad primarily with players they released during final cuts.

Here's a breakdown of the 53-man roster as it stands now (in alphabetical order):

Quarterbacks (3): Jimmy Clausen(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Jay Cutler(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), David Fales

Running backs (4): Ka’Deem Carey, Shaun Draughn, Matt Forte(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Senorise Perry

Fullbacks (1): Tony Fiammetta

Wide receivers (6): Santonio Holmes, Alshon Jeffery(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Brandon Marshall(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Josh Morgan, Micheal Spurlock, Marquess Wilson

Tight ends (3): Martellus Bennett, Matthew Mulligan, Dante Rosario

Offensive linemen (8): Jermon Bushrod(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Brian de la Puente, Roberto Garza(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Charles Leno, Jr., Kyle Long(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Jordan Mills(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Michael Ola, Matt Slauson(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif)

Defensive linemen (10): Jared Allen, David Bass, Ego Ferguson, Lamarr Houston, Stephen Paea(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Jeremiah Ratliff(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Trevor Scott, Will Sutton, Cornelius Washington, Will Sutton

Linebackers (6): Jonathan Bostic, Lance Briggs, Khaseem Greene, Christian Jones, Shea McClellin, D.J. Williams

Cornerbacks (5): Kyle Fuller, Demontre Hurst, Tim Jennings, Sherrick McManis, Charles Tillman

Safeties (4): Chris Conte, Danny McCray, Ryan Mundy, Brock Vereen

Specialists (3): Robbie Gould(http://www.chicagobears.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif), Pat O’Donnell, Brandon Hartson
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 30, 2014, 05:40:59 pm
The Doctor is out.  No surprise.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2014, 09:32:46 am
Is anyone else sick of hearing about Michael Sam the gay NFL player?  Well except he is no longer a NFL player. 

Who cares?  He was a borderline player from the get go.  Now he is cut and not on a practice squad.  Again who cares?

I wish they would just stop reporting on it already.  Lots of player were cut and did not get signed to a practice squad.  Why the **** is he special?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on September 01, 2014, 10:50:48 am
Excellent post Peke. I agree
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on September 02, 2014, 05:25:30 am
Because he advertises his sexual preferences?

Anybody wanna hear about other players' fetishes?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on September 02, 2014, 07:42:43 am
I don't thinks it's that he advertises anything but more the media not moving on.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2014, 09:26:27 am

Sams had 2 or 3 sacks in the preseason and the Rams didn't even sign him to their 10 man practice squad and he was a draft choice.  Too much of a team distraction - no NFL team will want that for a practice squad guy.

Now if he was a special player, well that's different.  NFL teams will look past player's questionable, often criminal backgrounds if they can help them win on Sunday.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on September 02, 2014, 10:13:46 am
That St. Louis line is a tough nut to crack.

No pun intended.   ;) ::) :o ;D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2014, 10:23:06 am

No doubt but the practice squad is now 10 guys.  But the Rams and so far 31 other teams don't have room for a draft pick who by all counts had a decent preseason.  He was also SEC defensive player of the year.

(To his credit Guppy did predict shortly after Sam was drafted that if he didn't make the 53 man he wouldn't be on the PS.  Why would he say that?) 

You got to wonder if Sams would have been better off in the closet.  Maybe the next guy isn't going to be so open.
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Post by: BearHit on September 02, 2014, 10:28:06 am
Didn't he post his BF kiss or something after the Rams selected him?
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Post by: wmljohn on September 02, 2014, 10:37:09 am
Someone is going to give the kid a shot.  I think the Rams left him off the PS just for that reason.

His agent needs to be calling the Cowboys.
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Post by: BearHit on September 02, 2014, 11:08:37 am
Figured he was going to be Tebow 2.0 on ESPN
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Post by: Pekin on September 02, 2014, 11:30:31 am
He was also slated to have his own reality TV show but then that got nixed I believe.
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2014, 11:41:38 am
Someone is going to give the kid a shot.  I think the Rams left him off the PS just for that reason.

His agent needs to be calling the Cowboys.

..Or is that Cowgirls?
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Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2014, 12:21:00 pm

Cowboys said today they are not interested in Sams.  He's more of a 3-4 LBer size.
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Post by: Sportster on September 02, 2014, 05:37:06 pm
Heard he was signed to their practazz squad....er, prancercize squad....uh, pansy squad....well, you get the idea.....
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Post by: wmljohn on September 03, 2014, 07:28:00 am
dallasbear you need to kill your Cowboy's news source.  They suck.
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Post by: dallasbear on September 03, 2014, 09:03:26 am
It was the local ESPN team.  On the radio at lunch time one of them stated that their Cowboys sources said there was 100% chance they would not sign Sam. 

I may have not heard them correctly or their sources were incorrect.

If you look at Sam he's a bit undersized at 6-2 260...supposedly not very strong and ran a 4.91 40.  Not exactly a prototype 4-3 end.  BUT he did have 3 preseason sacks and about a dozen his senior year at Missouri.

Also the Cowboys cut Zach Minter with an injury deal.
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Post by: Sportster on September 05, 2014, 06:25:47 am

http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/04/report-nfl-officials-asked-teams-to-consider-signing-michael-sam-to-practice-squad/

What is going on in this nation? What are we becoming? Pushing perversion like we are? Spitting in God's eyes?? Are we asking for judgement to come? We better wake up! This is unbelievable, that the NFL would ASK teams to sign a openly gay player. Used to be it was a sign of derision to be Bubba's 'friend' in a jailhouse setting. Now we're applauding it like it's normal?!? Never thought I'd see this day.....incredibly sad. Frog in the pot syndrome. Turn up the heat slowly till we're full out boiling....
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Post by: Keysbear on September 05, 2014, 09:33:15 am
I have no doubt the league was also involved in encouraging St Louis to draft him but with that said I doubt that God cares about football team rosters.
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Post by: dallasbear on September 05, 2014, 10:37:50 am

Is that all that God doesn't care about?
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Post by: boogie on September 05, 2014, 10:49:14 am
Getting back to football, in the first quarter last night, I saw nothing from Julius Peppers that makes me sad he is no longer a Bear....
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Post by: dallasbear on September 05, 2014, 11:54:21 am

He did seem to have his way with the rookie tackle of the Seahawks at times.  He didn't dominate but I thought he played well considering the position switch.  Box score had him with 3 tackles and one assist.  Which is a lot better than more than half the games last year with the Bears.

Don't judge the Packers after last night's performance - they are going to be tough. 

Rodgers didn't have his best game (not all due to him) ...yet he still completes 70% of his passes.
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Post by: Keysbear on September 05, 2014, 11:58:31 am
Kudos to the Bengals for this move...

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/bengals-re-sign-devon-still-to-help-him-pay-for-daughter-s-cancer-treatments-090514
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 05, 2014, 01:57:32 pm
That's a thumbs up there
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Post by: boogie on September 05, 2014, 03:06:20 pm
Bulaga torn MCL.  Ouch.  And I just read the Pack only has 3 T on the roster.  Is Angelo doing consulting in GB???
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Post by: Keysbear on September 05, 2014, 03:50:27 pm
Bulaga torn MCL.  Ouch.  And I just read the Pack only has 3 T on the roster.  Is Angelo doing consulting in GB???

Where did you hear torn MCL?  NFL.com says sprain and not expected to miss much time.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000389810/article/packers-bryan-bulaga-sprained-mcl-in-loss
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Post by: boogie on September 05, 2014, 08:31:00 pm
PFT changed the story:

UPDATE 4:11 p.m. ET: An earlier version of the story cited an ESPN report that said Bulaga had suffered an MCL tear of unknown severity. It has been updated to reflect that the injury is not reported as a sprain.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 06, 2014, 06:07:33 am
Tear and sprain can be the same if they are only talking partial.  If it is a grade 2, it is a 3 week injury which will have him back in time for our game.
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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2014, 08:57:56 pm
Latest report on Bulaga: hopes to be back for next game,
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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2014, 09:00:10 pm


Can Brad Jones rebound from his horrific start?

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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2014, 09:10:13 pm
Seattle is a different animal. Players were all quick to praise the defending Super Bowl champion afterward. The defense. The atmosphere. The talent. This is as good as it gets on the Packers' 2014 schedule. Geno Smith is no Russell Wilson. Dee Milliner is no Sherman.

Asked why the no-huddle went from kaboom to kaput, Rodgers said plainly, "This is the Seattle Seahawks, a great defense." But these are also the games you learn a lot about yourselves, the games that expose teams for what they are. And right now, the Packers aren't ready to contend.
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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2014, 09:14:32 pm
 Some of his teammates regard Aaron Rodgers as the finest quarterback in the National Football League. They think Jordy Nelson is special, too. On Thursday night in Seattle, coach Mike McCarthy denied those illustrious players and the entire offense the opportunity to challenge Richard Sherman.
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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2014, 09:39:13 pm
Elijah from Fredericksburg, VA

Vic, our defense just hasn’t been the same since the Nick Collins injury. Do you feel a hard-hitting safety with good ball skills is the key to a great defense in the NFL in today’s game?

Fredericksburg, Fredericksburg, Fredericksburg. I’m sorry, I had to do it. Elijah, the safety position has become more important in recent years, but good defense starts up front. With all due respect to Collins, the Packers defense began struggling before he was lost to injury. The Steelers rushed for 5.5 yards per carry in Super Bowl XLV, the Saints gained 477 yards in Week 1 of the 2011 season, and Carolina put up 475 the following week, which was Collins’ final game. In other words, one man doesn’t get all of the credit or the blame. The arrow on defense was beginning to point down on defense, the Packers sensed it and turned their attention to defense in subsequent drafts. Success now depends on those drafted players.
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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2014, 09:40:30 pm
Brian from Spring Hill, TN

Vic, I know your inbox has probably been a little rough. It definitely takes a certain kind of person to handle that and keep perspective, and for that I commend you. You have said the Seattle game would be a good gauge of where the Packers are at. How do we close the gap without hoping for an injury or two to help us?

You get better. That’s the answer. That’s all you can do. Help is not on the way.
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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2014, 09:45:20 pm
Danny from Naperville, IL

A thousand yards of offense in one game. Congrats, NFL, you did it.

You ain’t seen nothin’, yet.
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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2014, 09:49:19 pm
Kyle from Minneapolis, MN

Vic, I want to start by saying I’ve read this column religiously for the past two seasons, and that I very much respect your approach to both football and life. Because of this respect, it’s very disappointing that, due to you being a paid writer for the Packers, you cannot give me an honest response when I ask for your opinion on a specific player (Brad Jones).

There are two things I don’t want to read: My age immediately following my name – “Ketchman, 63,” is never good – and an “Ask Vic” email that begins with “I want to start by saying.” Kyle, you need me to confirm your suspicion Brad Jones had a tough game? I don’t think so. I think you want me to join you in bashing Brad Jones. Why? Because that’ll make you feel good. OK, Jones had a tough game. Feel better? Now, let’s get to the real heart of the issue. I don’t want you to read this column again. You should never read something written by someone you don’t trust to provide the truth. It’s not good for you. Plus, I don’t deserve the disrespect of being accused of dishonesty. Let’s go our separate ways. We’ll both be happier.

Bounced from the board?  ;-)
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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2014, 09:54:06 pm
Bill from East Dubuque, IL

Vic, it was obvious McCarthy was very unhappy and disappointed with the tackling, or lack of it. How does he address his defense?

Address missed tackles? I don’t know how any coach does that in a game that forbids teams to practice tackling. Why are the Seahawks good tacklers? My guess is it’s because they are naturally good tacklers. Coach McCarthy and his defensive staff and special teams coaches will continue to teach the fundamentals that go with tackling. They’ll incorporate that teaching into half-speed drills, but the game is played at full speed and that’s where the disconnect seems to emerge.

Packers and  Bears, both.
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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2014, 09:55:10 pm
Ben from Chicago, IL

Vic, I thought back to the season the Packers were 15-1 and teams started to figure out how to defend against the Packers’ offense. With a team like Seattle, is there anything to figure out, or they can only be beat by outmuscling them?

The Seahawks won the one-on-ones. You got a scheme for that? The Broncos didn’t.
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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2014, 09:59:02 pm
Shawn from Seattle, WA

Vic, Week 1 has confirmed what you’ve stated before: The preseason means nothing. Why do we, the fans, weigh our expectation by it?

What else do you have to weigh? The preseason is absolutely void of any meaning, as it pertains to performance in the regular season. There is absolutely no correlation between what we saw in the preseason and what we saw this past weekend. Our biggest problem as fans and media is that we have taught ourselves to overreact to everything, including the preseason. We’ve allowed football to become so integral to our daily lives that we create issues merely to have something to occupy our thoughts. The angst that screamed from my inbox this weekend was disturbing. I could hear little voices calling me from my closed laptop: Ketchman! Where are you, Ketchman? Fire everyone, Ketchman! By the time the first snowflake falls, last Thursday’s game will be a distant memory. Circumstances will have dramatically changed. If the Packers go undefeated between now and then, I’ll begin getting questions about where this Packers team fits among the greatest teams in football history. I’m glad Antonio Brown stepped on that punter’s face. It’ll make for a much-needed diversion this week. Was Brown attempting to injure the punter, or merely trying to hurdle him? We’ll debate it with great emotion.
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Post by: Keysbear on September 08, 2014, 10:01:48 pm
Can we keep Vic in the Packer thread?
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Post by: 46 on September 08, 2014, 10:08:33 pm
There's a packer fan in spring hill? Where? Lemme know. I'll go over and get Griz, we'll take care of that. Honestly, I'd thought I already had. Musta just moved. Probably on the Williamson county side, were all the snooty libs are.
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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2014, 10:28:32 pm
Packers tight end Brandon Bostick hopes to have a better idea when he may return to the field after his right leg injury is evaluated Wednesday.

Bostick suffered a slightly fractured right fibula in the Packers' second preseason game against the St. Louis Rams last month. His hope had been to return by the opener Thursday at the Seattle Seahawks, but Bostick watched that date pass by.

"I feel fine," Bostick said Monday. "I'll find out more Wednesday what I'm going to do, but there's a difference actually competing against somebody and running on your own.

"I don't know where I'm at. I hoped I could play last game, but obviously I wasn't ready. I think I'm going to take it week-by-week and see how I feel."
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 09, 2014, 05:33:29 am
I've got my pitchfork!
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Post by: wmljohn on September 09, 2014, 06:17:25 am
Packrat is the master of posting in the wrong threads...

Quote
Elijah from Fredericksburg, VA

Vic, our defense just hasn’t been the same since the Nick Collins injury. Do you feel a hard-hitting safety with good ball skills is the key to a great defense in the NFL in today’s game?

Fredericksburg, Fredericksburg, Fredericksburg. I’m sorry, I had to do it.

I didn't get the Fredericksburg, Fredericksburg, Fredericksburg joke.  I live in Fredericksburg VA and I'm gonna find this Elijah and beat his ass for being a Packer fan.
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Post by: Dave23 on September 09, 2014, 08:20:57 am
I knew I smelled something last time I was in Spring Hill...
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Post by: packrat on September 09, 2014, 05:07:25 pm
A full look at early betting lines for Week 2 can be seen below, via Sporting News:

Thursday, September 11
•Steelers vs. Ravens (-3)

Sunday, September 14
•Lions at Panthers (-3)
•Dolphins at Bills (-1)
•Jaguars at Redskins (-6)
•Cowboys at Titans (-3.5)
•Cardinals at Giants (-2.5)
•Patriots (-3.5) at Vikings
•Saints (-6) at Browns
•Falcons at Bengals (-5.5)
•Rams at Bucs (-3.5)
•Seahawks (-4.5) at Chargers
•Texans (-2.5) at Raiders
•Jets at Packers (-8.5)
•Chiefs at Broncos (-12.5)
•Bears at 49ers (-6)
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Post by: packrat on September 09, 2014, 05:09:21 pm
Packrat is the master of posting in the wrong threads...

I didn't get the Fredericksburg, Fredericksburg, Fredericksburg joke.  I live in Fredericksburg VA and I'm gonna find this Elijah and beat his ass for being a Packer fan.

Master.  Ooh, I like that.  A master at something.
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 09, 2014, 08:58:49 pm
•Bears at 49ers (-6)

Is that a joke? Frisco probably covers that in the first 2 minutes of the game. My question is does Frisco break 50 against the Bears?
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Post by: chifaninva on September 10, 2014, 04:59:51 am
It'll be like frisco playing the local high school JV squad..
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Post by: JBN on September 12, 2014, 05:05:00 pm
Minnesota Vikings Adrian Peterson in custody for beating his child with a stick of some sort
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Post by: Keysbear on September 12, 2014, 05:40:27 pm
Here is the Peterson story

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/adrian-peterson-indicted-reckless-negligent-injury-to-a-child-091214
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 12, 2014, 06:01:39 pm
That's juicy news. Wonderful!
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Post by: Keysbear on September 12, 2014, 06:16:24 pm
Goodell's world just got a bit more complicated.
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Post by: JBN on September 12, 2014, 10:11:20 pm
Adrian Peterson Told Cops He Beat 4-Year-Old Son With Tree Branch:

The beating resulted in multiple cuts and bruises on the boy’s lower body and defensive wounds on the child’s hands. Peterson put leaves in his mouth during the beating. He said he believed he hit the child 10 or 15 times, but he doesn’t “ever count how many pops I give my kids.”
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Post by: boogie on September 12, 2014, 10:16:44 pm
He should have just used a belt like my dad did. 
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Post by: 46 on September 12, 2014, 10:20:23 pm
 I never, never, never, got abused like that. never. My sons never got that.  Never. I don't care if that's how he was raised. he knew better.
He was quoted as saying he beat all his kids.  He should never see them again and be in prison.  Chances of that? slim and none. Money always talks.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 13, 2014, 02:11:09 am
I never, never, never, got abused like that. never. My sons never got that.  Never. I don't care if that's how he was raised. he knew better.
He was quoted as saying he beat all his kids.  He should never see them again and be in prison.  Chances of that? slim and none. Money always talks.

 Dude you never got beaten with the metal end of a flyswatter.
 
 Thats the way a parent enforced disipline back in the days. (Especially mom)
 
 The old man just eyeballed me and said thats never going to happen again is it ?
 
 JJ knew to take the metal flyswatter beating from mom rather than face the old man who never touched moi.
 
 One day while getting whipped by my mother with a flyswatter JJ just started laughing,
 
 mom just started laughing also, she knew I had grown beyond her control.
 
 After that she knew the most importent way to disipline me ... CUT OFF THE MONEY !
 
 No money for comic books ???
 
 I told you to rake the lawn TWO hours ago !! No quarter for you until you rake the lawn !!!
 
 DAMN ! That was one issue each of Spiderman and Superman !
 
 MEANWHILE ... Are we really going into what used to be Frisco with no idea of how to run a DEFENSE or SPECIAL TEAMS ??
 
 Say it aint so Joe.
 
 And whats the deal on Slauson ... Garza ... Marshall ...Jeffry ?
 
 We may as well not show up.
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Post by: packrat on September 13, 2014, 06:39:22 pm
He should have just used a belt like my dad did. 

Agree.
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Post by: Pekin on September 13, 2014, 07:23:38 pm
My dad would take his belt off and snap it.  Fear ran through you straight to the heart.  He also used to whip us with those orange hot wheels tracks.  My brother and I threw every single one of them away they hurt that bad...

JJ, I was smart enough that when my mom spanked me (this was after my dad had died) and it no longer hurt to just keep my mouth shut.  I knew from that moment forward there was nothing she could do to control me.  Of course I respected her enough not to push it tooooo far.  Just far enough.

I truly believe spanking is necessary to raise a child who does not end up a cluster ****.  I personally never used anything but my hand.  And always just one swat to get their attention.  After that the threat of it was enough to get them under control.

I can count on one hand the amount of times I had to spank my kids. 



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Post by: Sportster on September 14, 2014, 12:41:00 am
I definitely believe in spanking but whipping a little 4yr old that bad is absolutely ridiculous!!
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Post by: Pekin on September 14, 2014, 04:26:22 am
I have not seen the pictures but from what I am hearing the charges are warranted.
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Post by: panthermark on September 14, 2014, 09:23:13 am
My dad used a belt, cable wire, or extension cord.
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Post by: navigator on September 14, 2014, 12:14:22 pm
I remember about 3 spankings from my dad, all with a belt.
I was afraid of my dad and vowed my kids would not be afraid of me.
I do believe in spanking, usually with my hand or fly swatter but no belt.
I did whip my 15 yo son with a belt one time but he needed it.
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Post by: Pekin on September 14, 2014, 01:18:04 pm
Sporty a 4 yr old generally only needs a quick swat from the hand on their behind to get their attention. 

Another thing my wife and I both did when the kids were young and were acting up in public was to put our hand on the back of their neck and squeeze.  It only took a few times and as soon as the hand went to their neck they would immediately straighten up. 

If they acted up in a restaurant I would take them to the car.  Only had to do that once and they never acted up in a restaurant again.  The threat of it was enough.  Can't tell you how often we were complimented for our children being so well behaved in restaurants.
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Post by: Sportster on September 14, 2014, 04:38:16 pm
That's what I mean. A little one like that you don't wack and beat on. A simple swat on the behind is enough.
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Post by: Pekin on September 14, 2014, 04:42:31 pm
Sporty I was just agreeing with you.  Sorry should have made that clear.
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Post by: packrat on September 14, 2014, 09:03:47 pm
Sporty a 4 yr old generally only needs a quick swat from the hand on their behind to get their attention. 

Another thing my wife and I both did when the kids were young and were acting up in public was to put our hand on the back of their neck and squeeze.  It only took a few times and as soon as the hand went to their neck they would immediately straighten up. 

If they acted up in a restaurant I would take them to the car.  Only had to do that once and they never acted up in a restaurant again.  The threat of it was enough.  Can't tell you how often we were complimented for our children being so well behaved in restaurants.

Yep.  You should only need 2-3 spankings to establish the fact that it is better to obey than to continue.
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Post by: wmljohn on September 15, 2014, 09:11:36 am
I don't know how many wooden spoons, switches and even a turtle shell brush from the 70's was broken over my ass.  Hell I had to go out and choose my own switch from the tree.  I would pick a brittle twig from the yard and if the pops didn't like it he got a belt.  Then it was bend over and grab the ankles.  If you let go he started over.  It was usually 5-10 depending on how bad the infraction was.

Oh yeah.  He would also take a pencil and draw a dot on the wall for your nose to go on.  That was usually 5-10 minutes as well.  That was akin to putting you in the corner for time out.  :)
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Post by: Keysbear on September 15, 2014, 10:57:21 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/video/tampa-bay-buccaneers-postgame-press-022500544.html

Do the comments sound familiar?
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Post by: boogie on September 15, 2014, 11:14:23 am
I don't miss Lovie one bit.
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Post by: chifaninva on September 15, 2014, 11:28:22 am
I don't miss Lovie...
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Post by: navigator on September 15, 2014, 06:20:25 pm
Lovie who?

I did wonder earlier in the week hmmm, if Dallas tanks again this year wonder if we could bring Marinelli back?
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Post by: boogie on September 15, 2014, 07:18:12 pm
Um why would you want Marinelli back?
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Post by: Keysbear on September 15, 2014, 07:58:53 pm
The plot thickens...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/khou-report--adrian-peterson-hit-another-one-of-his-sons--leaving-scar-000243619.html
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Post by: packrat on September 15, 2014, 08:41:00 pm
Here's what we learned from on Sunday night.

1) ALL THE PENALTIES The first half of the game took close to two hours, thanks to 17 first-half penalties. 17! By the time it was all said and done, both teams combined for 26 penalties. The 49ers had the edge with 16 of those. And, yes, most of those flags were inexplicable ticky-tack calls, the kind of stuff that made the preseason even more unbearable than usual this year. The NFL really needs to get this figured out before they give fans yet another reason to seek alternative programming.

 

2) Brandon Marshall wasn't healthy, and it didn't matter. On Sunday morning, it was no sure thing that Marshall would even play. He did, and after a slow start, he ended up catching three touchdown passes, including an incredible one-handed grab for Chicago's first score of the night. Brandon Marshall on one leg is still the greatest wide receiver in Bears history.

Alshon Jeffery also played, but he might as well have stayed on the bench. Every step looked like real effort for an obviously ailing Jeffery. He was reduced to a glorified decoy. The 49ers weren't fooled either.

 

3) The NFC West looks vulnerable. The Seattle Seahawks lost on the road to the San Diego Chargers earlier in the day. San Francisco could have given itself a leg up in what's bound to be a tight division race with a win over the visiting Bears, but nope. Squandering a 17-0 lead and walking off the field with a loss. Aldon Smith was missed; that much was obvious from a 49ers pass rush that was lacking when they needed it most. They get the Arizona Cardinals and Philadelphia Eagles over the next two weeks, so Jim Harbaugh needs to find some answers real soon.
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Post by: Keysbear on September 15, 2014, 10:38:36 pm
What is up with the officials so far this year? Colts totally screwed by the refs.
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Post by: 46 on September 15, 2014, 10:40:32 pm
too damn many flags. I'm sick of all the flags.  ruining the game. you want to stop killing concussions? Go to leather helmets. Seriously.
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Post by: Pekin on September 15, 2014, 10:58:29 pm
The refs are ruining the game.  When in doubt don't throw the flag.
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Post by: Sportster on September 16, 2014, 04:49:18 pm
Officiating so far has been terrible. 9ers first drive for a score the clock had run out by a full second and it wasn't noticed. Heck, even with replay they're missing calls!
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Post by: davebear on September 16, 2014, 08:30:23 pm
We got a couple of nice calls Sunday that saved our bacon.
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Post by: Sportster on September 16, 2014, 09:47:02 pm
The penalties at one point WAS our offense! They were the only thing moving us downfield......
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Post by: Pekin on September 16, 2014, 10:06:41 pm
The refs are throwing flags like crazy in all games not just ours.

We were flagged ten times against the Niners which allowed them to get their lead (plus the one that wasn't called).  The Niners were flagged 16 times. We had more flags in the first half them in the second.

I would rather the ticky tacky **** is not called.

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Post by: wmljohn on September 17, 2014, 12:41:55 pm
That doesn't count the catch they took away from Bennett.  He had control and both feet inbounds then when he finally tucked the ball away it moved slightly?  That was BS and a good drive early that was stopped because of it.

Or the questionable overturn on the Peanut INT.  Looked to me like his forearm had the ball cradled and althought the backend of the ball touched the ground it did not assist in the catch.  Which by rule is a catch.
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Post by: wmljohn on September 17, 2014, 02:18:07 pm
BTW - I wonder how Dougy and V2 are feeling lately about their teams decisions.

I don't care how **** up some of the things the McCasky's have done...  None compare to the bone headed decisions from the Wilfs lately.  WTF were they thinking????
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Post by: guest118 on September 17, 2014, 05:26:21 pm
Dougy and V2...deep past...

Petterson is a sicko. He is a bad dude. Hit your kid, not hit your kid is up to you (I have felt you never need to hit a child - there are other ways to discipline -why would you hit someone? Especially a 4 year) - this joker tortured his child and it's not the first time - apparently a couple years ago he tortured another 4 year child from a different mother - the NFL looked the other way. The NFL needs a NEW policy where it's a privilege to play in the NFL and earn big money. This joker was an NFL superstar and they're trying to give him a bye - a second bye. Well, now no second bye. Bottom line is he he hitting his own kid in the genitals and bruises all over his body that were bleeding. Sicko.
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Post by: JBN on September 17, 2014, 05:50:37 pm
Arizona Cardinals running back Jonathan Dwyer was arrested Wednesday afternoon on charges of domestic violence.
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Post by: 46 on September 17, 2014, 06:20:03 pm
i've always bagged on the McCaskeys football acumen, or lack thereof, but off the field I can remember anything close happening to the Bears.  Yeah,some dui's, but there for the Grace of God go I.  I mean, football players are supposed to HELP, not hurt. Hurting kids is foul.
I can't think of anything a 4 year old would do that couldn't be fixed with a swat on the butt with your hand. The **** that put up with it for money deserve to burn in hell, turning the other way and letting that prick get his hands on them for money. Horrible.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 17, 2014, 07:41:25 pm
BTW - I wonder how Dougy and V2 are feeling lately about their teams decisions.

I don't care how **** up some of the things the McCasky's have done...  None compare to the bone headed decisions from the Wilfs lately.  WTF were they thinking? ???

 I sent V2 an email ... lets see if theres a reply.
 
 Who better to run TFB's?
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Post by: JBN on September 18, 2014, 06:27:22 pm
Sounds like Adrian could be done in Minnesota.
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Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2014, 08:17:16 pm
Wow!  Lovie's team looks terrible.  McCown is struggling but when he does make a play his receivers drop it.

28-0 Falcons over the Bucs. 
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Post by: Sportster on September 18, 2014, 08:21:30 pm
McCown's made some good throws and nearly every one of them has been dropped. But boy this reeks of a Lovie led blowout game.....3rd and 17 and throw a dumpoff pass and get stuffed, lol. This is going to be a major blowout. I was almost laughing in the pregame when they had Tampa losing by 7, by 10, whatever. The ONLY one that came close to what I thought the score would be was Neon Deion with 30-17
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Post by: Sportster on September 18, 2014, 08:33:46 pm
Hester just broke Deion Sanders record. Congrat to a great guy!! And the Birdies are steamrolling the Buckys 35 zip.....
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Post by: Keysbear on September 18, 2014, 08:44:26 pm
McCown's made some good throws and nearly every one of them has been dropped.

The pick 6 sure wasn't dropped
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 18, 2014, 08:45:16 pm
What does Lovie know about offense
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Post by: Sportster on September 18, 2014, 08:52:15 pm
Bucs don't have anything near the talent at wideout we have, so I expect there to be a difference. McCown had a real nice deep ball caught finally by a wideout and then he got injured from the constant pressure in his face. Just like the guy that's in there now is experiencing. But I'm sure you know this, huh Keys....  ::)
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Post by: Keysbear on September 18, 2014, 09:10:22 pm
Bucs don't have anything near the talent at wideout we have, so I expect there to be a difference. McCown had a real nice deep ball caught finally by a wideout and then he got injured from the constant pressure in his face. Just like the guy that's in there now is experiencing. But I'm sure you know this, huh Keys....  ::)

What I know is that you would be all over Cutlers ass for making that pick 6 throw and if you had had your way McCown would be the Bears starter today.
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Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2014, 09:13:31 pm
I tuned in to root for McCown and hope to see Hester break the record.  At least Hester broke the record.

I have since changed it.  That is a whole lot of bad football.  The Falcons aren't very good and they are ass stomping the Bucs. 

Lovie does not have the talent to run his defense and his offense is offensive as always...
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Post by: Sportster on September 18, 2014, 09:23:04 pm
They can't catch the ball and they can't hold on to the ball...what a cluster! They could lose by 60 the way they're playing. Thank God Lovie's in Tampa.....
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Post by: Sportster on September 18, 2014, 09:42:55 pm
Bucs= worst team in the league. Enjoy, Lovie.....
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Post by: JBN on September 18, 2014, 09:46:03 pm
48-0 early in the 3rd.
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Post by: Sportster on September 18, 2014, 09:52:15 pm
49 zip....
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Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2014, 09:58:59 pm
I click back over and it is 56-0!!!  Holy crap what a beat down. 

Lovie is going to make us lose the beat down record we hold over the Redskins...
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Post by: JBN on September 18, 2014, 10:05:18 pm
I wonder what the Tampa fans think now?

Jackie, Marv is going to implode on someone. I hope Beerfan is full alert.  ;D
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Post by: JBN on September 18, 2014, 11:09:17 pm
 Devin Hester told NFL Network "I wasn't happy the last three, four years in Chicago."
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Post by: BearHit on September 19, 2014, 04:55:56 am
Sorry kid - life sucks sometimes
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 19, 2014, 07:06:24 am
"And we never should have gotten rid of a 10-6 coach" Et Tu JBN
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Post by: wmljohn on September 19, 2014, 07:40:21 am
So the great Josh McCown starting QB experiment lasted 2.5 games and now he is back to doing what he does best.  Holding a clipboard on the sidelines waiting for another chance.

How much did they pay him?

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Post by: Dave23 on September 19, 2014, 09:09:52 am
Too much...

Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans is a pretty damn good WR duo.

McCown is what we all (well, almost all) knew he is...a career journeyman backup who had a great 1/2 season under the QB whisperer. Glad someone else overpaid him...
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Post by: dallasbear on September 19, 2014, 10:37:25 am

I don't take any joy in McCown's struggles.  He had a great story and came out of nowhere to help the Bears last season - outplaying the starter...easily.  I'm glad he got paid (something like $5M/year).

I didn't watch the game but caught part of the post game.  They said McCown had accuracy problems no doubt.  But I heard he also had some pressure and a few drops.

The Bears this season (and last) have been blessed with sure handed receivers and a very good pass blocking O-line.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 19, 2014, 10:48:05 am
And I'll say this.  In hindsight, not resigning McCown might be the best thing that happened to the position.  After Cutler's bad decision against the Bills, many around Chicago and many on this board would be calling for McCown.  A controversy would be born and what a cluster that would be.

Now we get to enjoy the comeback victory against the 49ers for a few more days.  Seems the press has been a lot less in force writing good articles about Cutler, versus last week when any hack with a pen was writing an article.

Sorry for McCown, but I think this ends up being one of those signings that we didn't make that was the best for us...
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Post by: Dave23 on September 19, 2014, 11:00:31 am
They said on the telecast last night that every draft pick the Bucs made last draft was on the offensive side of the ball.

The defense showed it last night...
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Post by: dallasbear on September 19, 2014, 11:22:07 am

I can't say I'm looking forward to facing the Falcons in their house later this season.
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Post by: JBN on September 19, 2014, 01:51:29 pm
I can't say I'm looking forward to facing the Falcons in their house later this season.

I agree. Whole different team so far then last season.
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Post by: Keysbear on September 19, 2014, 02:47:11 pm
Watching the Goodell press conference. He is really floundering. If he was hoping that this presser would clear some things up I think he is badly mistaken.
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Post by: Sportster on September 20, 2014, 12:03:53 pm
There were only like two names I recognized in that Tampa game on that team, Logan Mankins sp. whatever and McCown. Everyone else what a huh or who. That team, right now, is definitely the worst in the NFL. Lovie sure has them going in the right direction, lol......some U G L Y  football.
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Post by: VJ on September 25, 2014, 07:28:02 am
What if Cutler was traded to the Redskins (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/feature/24720844/jay-to-the-redskins)
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2014, 08:13:18 am
Ya never know. We probably would still have Orton. Orton in Trestman's offense? He could be golden. Until Cuttler leads the Bears to the Superbowl, one can suppose just about any scenario happening. As of this moment the jury is out on Cuttler. Unless you are God its hard to predict the future.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 25, 2014, 01:23:54 pm
Ya never know. We probably would still have Orton. Orton in Trestman's offense? He could be golden. Until Cuttler leads the Bears to the Superbowl, one can suppose just about any scenario happening. As of this moment the jury is out on Cuttler. Unless you are God its hard to predict the future.

Wshfl - You do see the irony in what you just posted, right? 

Are you predicting that Orton would be "golden" in Trestman's office.  Isn't that "supposing just about any scenario happening"?  Because if your are predicting Orton to be golden in Trestman's system, then you are also saying that you are God.

 ;D
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2014, 09:09:19 pm
Wshfl - You do see the irony in what you just posted, right? 

Are you predicting that Orton would be "golden" in Trestman's office.  Isn't that "supposing just about any scenario happening"?  Because if your are predicting Orton to be golden in Trestman's system, then you are also saying that you are God.

 ;D

I believe I used the word could not would. The reason being the offense McCown put up last  year in Trestman's system. We might have had a similar effect on Orton here. But only God can make such a call, not me
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2014, 09:15:50 pm
Also the link was a scenario whereby Cuttler would have been traded to Washington instead of the Bears, so then we wouldn't have lost our picks and still had Orton. It was just food for thought. A what if type of thing I was commenting on.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 26, 2014, 05:01:22 am
I think it was the way you framed it. 
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 26, 2014, 09:00:37 am
You need to refresh yourself with Reading 2.0.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 26, 2014, 10:45:02 am
I could... that c vs w is a slippery slope
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 26, 2014, 11:08:57 am
It sure got you sliding ;D ;D
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Post by: boogie on September 29, 2014, 02:54:53 pm
Wow:

The Bills didn’t wait long to pull the rip-cord on the parachute that is Kyle Orton.

Bills coach Doug Marrone announced today that he was benching second-year starter E.J. Manuel, and making Orton his starting quarterback.

“We can’t keep going in the direction that we’re going,” Marrone said.

The Bills are 2-2, but Manuel has struggled, throwing two picks and completing fewer than half his passes in yesterday’s loss to the Texans.

It’s an interesting play for a coach and a front office that will be on notice with new ownership coming in soon.

Marrone was upset with the addition of Orton, thinking it undermined last year’s first-round pick.

So going with him now either points to the fact it wasn’t his call, or he’s lost confidence in Manuel too.
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Post by: packrat on September 29, 2014, 04:09:07 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BypKIlHIEAAz3Pc.jpg:large)
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Post by: packrat on September 30, 2014, 06:09:46 pm
http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/1405348/trollsmitty.0.0.gif.

Steve Smith, Sr.
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Post by: wmljohn on October 01, 2014, 07:42:15 am
LOL!

I don't know if that was **** up dick move or funny.  I guess we will never know if he was being a dick or just **** with the ref.
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Post by: VJ on October 01, 2014, 09:06:08 am
Steve Smith is one of my favorites ever since I watched him return that season opening kickoff in his rookie year against the Vikings.  He's a bad man.
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Post by: AZSteve on October 02, 2014, 07:34:15 pm
Vikes v Pack underway... 3 & out  for both teams...
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Post by: AZSteve on October 02, 2014, 07:42:42 pm
7-0 Packers...Lacy running better ...Rodgers to Cobb for the TD....
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Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2014, 07:52:56 pm
The holding Green Bay gets away with is unreal!
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Post by: AZSteve on October 02, 2014, 07:57:48 pm
14-0...Rodgers to Nelson ,TD...ugh
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 02, 2014, 08:10:49 pm



 
14-0...Rodgers to Nelson ,TD...ugh


 **** Nelson ... what about Cobb? Rodgers was ... ON!


 Theres not a team in the NFL that could have beat him that day.


 Maybe last week Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetroit could have beat him ...


 but that wasnt last week.
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Post by: AZSteve on October 02, 2014, 08:37:19 pm
Ponder's pass tipped, Peppers snags it, rumbles in for a TD, 21-0 ...****
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Post by: AZSteve on October 02, 2014, 08:40:13 pm
Rodgers tosses another TD, this time  to Adams...28-0...Vikes are pathetic
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Post by: packrat on October 02, 2014, 08:44:36 pm

The Jay Cutler you don't know

By Thomas George on Sep 26 2014, 12:45p  432   

Behind the scowls and glares, there's a different side of Jay Cutler most fans don't know, an intelligent leader who just wants to win.

They called it "Bears South.'' It was a couple of training sessions last March in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., featuring Chicago Bears teammates. It was hosted by receiver Brandon Marshall.

New Bears safety Ryan Mundy attended the second one. Mundy said 15 or so players were there.

Quarterback Jay Cutler was among them.

"Jay walks up to me and greets me,'' Mundy said. "He said since I was new, he wanted to personally welcome me to the team and to the city. He said he knew a realtor if I needed help finding a place. He said he knew my wife was pregnant and that he knew some great doctors who helped him when both of his sons were born. He just made himself available. People don't know these kinds of things about Jay. The perceptions don't account for the type of leader at quarterback and beyond that he is for this team and franchise. Jay is not an outspoken guy. But I've gotten to know him well. He's a real guy."

It just doesn't sound like the Jay Cutler many know.

But maybe we just don't know him.



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Post by: AZSteve on October 02, 2014, 09:15:00 pm
To quote the late "Dandy" Don  Meredith " ...turn out the lights, the party's over..."
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Post by: AZSteve on October 02, 2014, 09:20:20 pm
Time for baseball playoffs...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 02, 2014, 10:14:07 pm



 
To quote the late "Dandy" Don  Meredith " ...turn out the lights, the party's over..."


 Ehh ...


 [/size]
Time for baseball playoffs...


 AZ,


 What you need is a refreshment course about CHICAGO BEARS ...


 we're 2-2 and the partys over? You dont beer bong alot at partys do you?


 Try this :


 [/size][size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQykbDJVp_Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQykbDJVp_Q)[/size][/size][size=78%] [/size]


 
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Post by: AZSteve on October 03, 2014, 08:25:07 am
Lol, jj I was referencing the Pack/Vikes game not the season...sweet vid of King Crimson...thanks
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Post by: VJ on October 03, 2014, 12:24:05 pm
(https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/enU_oPU6_5nRPAHYdrkbPQkz1gNq6gwjsLaMYZKs29X0wCBWUitO6FJpEtwdTnCOUCjJkRIOoWhOM80LwfveSTl5EBZyXFjxzBrrP8PHCuSrKsjmQfkppn2YtPap0O81C89z1vY=s0-d-e1-ft#http://images.footballguys.com/Dropbox/Random%20Shots%20-%20Shared/14-5-PIT.jpg)
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Post by: Pekin on October 04, 2014, 02:32:51 pm
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-hgh-testing-to-begin-monday/ar-BB7tkKy

Looks like Matthews will be coming back down to earth soon...

Curious to see how many players test positive.
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Post by: Keysbear on October 04, 2014, 02:36:18 pm
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-hgh-testing-to-begin-monday/ar-BB7tkKy

Looks like Matthews will be coming back down to earth soon...

Curious to see how many players test positive.

"Testing for hGH will begin on Monday, October 6th. Each week of the season, 5 players on 8 teams will be tested.


He will never be tested.
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Post by: 46 on October 06, 2014, 02:17:03 pm
Looks like it REALLY blew up in AP's face for good. I didn't think it could get worse....it did. Btw fellow Bear fans, as a final **** on your leg from the **** nfl, guess who led the bills over
the lions? Kyle Orton. **** me, again.
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Post by: BearHit on October 06, 2014, 02:50:11 pm
Yeah - even Aaron Rodgers couldn't beat the Lions a couple weeks ago
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Post by: packrat on October 06, 2014, 06:24:57 pm
How did the Vikings beat Atlanta so badly?
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Post by: packrat on October 06, 2014, 09:36:33 pm
GREEN BAY, Wis. -- A.J. Hawk was hoping his name would be called on Monday, when the NFL began testing players for human growth hormone.

But the Green Bay Packers linebacker said neither he nor any of his teammates -- that he knew of -- was tested. According to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, each week of the season, five players on eight teams will be tested, but none on game days.

Hawk, the ninth-year veteran and noted workout fanatic, has long been a proponent of testing.

"I'm looking forward to giving blood," Hawk said Monday. "I've said for a long time I think they should be testing for it.

"It's good for the league. I think it's good for everyone."

Hawk said he has no doubt players around the league are using HGH; he's just not sure how many...
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Post by: Sportster on October 07, 2014, 07:22:12 am
Inconsistency is a plague in this league. Bears...one week they're beating the Niners in their house, another their losing at home to a team whose QB was benched a couple weeks later.
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Post by: packrat on October 09, 2014, 07:45:04 pm
http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/nflmegadeals/
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Post by: Pekin on October 09, 2014, 07:58:40 pm
Houston looks like crap tonight.

They gave up an onside kick were they were lined up so deep the kicker kicked it 10 yards and recovered it himself.  No blockers in front of him at all.  It was the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.  It was like taking candy from a baby.

Their defensive backfield is worse then ours and that includes Danielle Manning.
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Post by: Pekin on October 09, 2014, 10:15:27 pm
Houston battles back and the refs make a terrible PI call against them.  This game has been ruined.

The refs control who wins and loses anymore.  The calls aren't even close.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 10, 2014, 12:19:14 am



 JJ WANTs RESULTS !!


 I'm sick and tired of THE CHICAGO BEARS motherfuckin 2014 DRAFT sitting on the sidelines.


 These motherfuckers should be on the field DAY ONE against Atlanta!


 What the **** did we draft these clowns for ? To sit on a bench ?


 Lets get these motherfukers out there earning their money!


 GO YOU MOTHERFUCKIN CHICAGO BEARS !!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on October 10, 2014, 10:13:01 am
C'mon jj show some passion and fire when commenting on da Bears... ::)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 11, 2014, 12:26:11 am



 
C'mon jj show some passion and fire when commenting on da Bears... ::)


 AZ,
 
 We can go downtown on these punks ... and Bushrod and Briggs out ... **** IT!


 Atlanta is basically us. How do we defeat ourselves ?


 And them at the same time? This game is about Hester.


 We are scared because of the revenge factor.


 We have a proven ability to take it to other teams on the road this season.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on October 11, 2014, 07:19:23 pm
jj it may be a shoot out...kick the ball very high to Hester and maybe, just maybe, the coverage team can limit his return yards...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 11, 2014, 08:38:08 pm



 
jj it may be a shoot out...kick the ball very high to Hester and maybe, just maybe, the coverage team can limit his return yards...


 Now hold on a minute there AZ, are you implying we have a coverage team ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on October 11, 2014, 09:26:05 pm
Lol...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 11, 2014, 09:41:08 pm
Our coverage team is going to be even worse now.  We have to bring LBers up from ST to play.  This means we will be putting guys with zero experience on ST.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2014, 10:26:41 pm
Maybe being younger and quicker they could be better. Ya think?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on October 11, 2014, 10:33:59 pm
I am guessing Hester will kill us.  Ex-Bears always seem to have career games against the Bears.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 12, 2014, 12:16:54 am



 [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE)[/size]
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on October 12, 2014, 06:59:13 pm
watching sports center after the game and looking at Chico at the podium, I can see he's slowly morphing into a Joe Paterno likeness.
Spooky.  Also, don't look now, but those buffoons from dallas won again. in seattle. ick.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on October 13, 2014, 12:04:29 pm
ST did admirable job keeping Hester in check
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on October 13, 2014, 04:09:41 pm

Buffoons from Dallas always had talent offensively.  3 first rounders on their line.  Jason Witten at TE.  Dez Bryant at WR.  Terrance Williams is having a nice sophomore season.  And DeMarco Murray has always done well - just had to stay healthy.  And now Romo isn't being asked to carry the team on his shoulders - he's quite an effective QB when he has a running game.

The real Houdini act is their defense.  Marinelli is getting production out of a bunch of no names.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on October 13, 2014, 04:18:54 pm
Don't care for Dallas but really enjoyed them beating the Seachickens in their house....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on October 13, 2014, 04:54:24 pm
Love seeing teams rubbing manure in Pete Carroll's face. He deserves all the manure he can get.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 13, 2014, 06:35:48 pm
LOL.  Agree.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 13, 2014, 06:52:05 pm



 
LOL.  Agree.


 Packy the final plays at Miami were genuis ... even I admit it.


 When Aaron is on ... he's on.


 Thank god JCut was on too.


 Stafford had to do just enough to skate ... Deeetroits D took care of Bridgewater.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 15, 2014, 09:56:53 pm
http://506sports.com/

Week 7
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2014, 01:21:08 pm
(http://www.qprism.com/images/NFL-crime-statistics.jpg)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: method on October 16, 2014, 10:07:59 pm
What is the tme frame for the first part of that chart... there have been more cowboy arrests then 14...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on October 17, 2014, 04:48:02 pm
Wow:

Well, here’s your Friday afternoon news dump, which is actually more of a cannonball into the deep end.

According to Jay Glazer of FOX, the Jets have acquired wide receiver Percy Harvin in trade from the Seahawks in exchange for a draft pick.

Such a huge deal happening midseason is practically unheard of, and comes at a strange time for both teams.

If the Jets were going to do something like this, a better time would have been before they started 1-6.

And for the Seahawks, the defense of their title just got more complicated without a dymanic playmaker.

After giving up first-, third- and seventh-round picks to get him, then paying him, they got 10 games from Harvin.

Obviously, we’ll have more on this throughout the night.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 17, 2014, 07:41:22 pm

Too Funny !! Trash talk from Miami about BEARS fans, also G.B. fans.

 http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2014/10/9_reasons_chicago_bears_fans_are_the_worst.php
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 17, 2014, 08:05:07 pm
What is the tme frame for the first part of that chart... there have been more cowboy arrests then 14...

Here is the site:     

 http://nflspinzone.com/2014/10/15/crimes-nfl-nfl-team-since-2000-infograph/?utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

It reads like the time period is 2000-2014.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 17, 2014, 11:09:36 pm



 [size=78%]Two first-half plays Sunday perfectly captured Brian Hartline’s strange sixth season with the Miami Dolphins.[/size]Each time, he ran a deep route.
The first time, he was wide open, but Ryan Tannehill didn’t see him.
The second, Sam Shields covered him like a book, but Tannehill threw it anyway. The predictable result: Another interception, and another disappointing outcome for Hartline.
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Dolphins in Depth Blog (http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/)After back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons, Hartline has become the forgotten man on the Dolphins’ offense. He’s fourth on the team in catches (16) and third in receiving yards (161). Hartline is on pace for his worst statistical season since 2011.
Based on stats alone, it would be easy to say Hartline, who is in the second year of a $31 million contract, has underperformed. But a deeper dive suggests factors beyond his control have played a significant role in his slump.
Put simply: The Dolphins have stopped throwing him the ball.
That was never more evident than in Sunday’s loss to the Packers. Despite seeing the most action of any Dolphins receiver, Hartline was targeted just twice, and went without a catch for the first time in some two calendar years.
When asked why Tannehill hasn’t much thrown his way, Hartline replied: “I really don’t know, to answer bluntly. I think that’s not really a question for me. I’ve always prepared the same, whether it be Year 1 or Year 6. I’m always going to go out there and do what they ask me at a high level. When the opportunity is there, make a play.”
Sunday’s stat line was an extreme, to be sure. But it was also not surprising, considering how his year has gone.


Hartline has had the most snaps by a Dolphins receiver in every game this season, but only once – against the Raiders in London – did Tannehill target him more often than Mike Wallace.
But from a season-long perspective, the disparity is even greater. Despite being on the field for 56 more snaps than Wallace in 2014, Hartline has had 16 fewer passed thrown his way.
Wallace has been targeted on 18 percent of his plays; Hartline, meanwhile sees a pass just once every 11 snaps.
That’s despite both players having identical catch rates (57 percent of attempts), and the same number of drops (two).
“I think we have to get him involved,” Tannehill said. “I think some of that is unlucky just in the way the plays have worked out. Some of it is just me not getting him the ball when he’s had the opportunity. Whatever it is, I think we have to get him involved, and consistent.”
Added Dolphins coach Joe Philbin: “Sometimes teams commit, whether they play cloud, whether they double-cover, there are multiple different coverages. We are a progression-based passing game. Sometimes it’s just the way the ball rolls and the snaps are thrown, it just hasn’t been [there]. He hasn’t been targeted quite as much, but I’m sure he is going to have his days.”
Hartline, meanwhile, said he hasn’t seen more two-high safety coverage than in previous years. Rather, teams have played him man-to-man plenty, preferring to drop a safety into the box to counter the team’s resurgent running attack.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article2922204.html#storylink=cpy
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Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 18, 2014, 07:54:37 pm



 Can we as THE CHICAGO BEARS ...


 stop another Jason Taylor against us in the form of Cameron Wake?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 18, 2014, 09:56:11 pm
(http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OG-AC824_COUNT_NS_20141015162020.jpg)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 18, 2014, 10:31:41 pm



 Keep it coming Packy !  :D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on October 19, 2014, 07:34:02 pm
Yowzah.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on October 26, 2014, 11:54:18 pm
ROFL!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRqKYXcL-2U
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 29, 2014, 08:12:29 pm


 If the season ended today, a number of high-profile teams, including the San Francisco 49ers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sanfrancisco49ers/profile?team=SF), Seattle Seahawks (http://www.nfl.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA), Baltimore Ravens (http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/profile?team=BAL) and Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT), would not be in the playoffs (http://www.nfl.com/playoffs/playoff-picture).
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on October 29, 2014, 08:41:58 pm
What? No mention of the Bears??!!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 29, 2014, 09:01:58 pm



 
What? No mention of the Bears??!!


 Maybe that's why its a 16 game season ?  8)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on October 29, 2014, 09:26:35 pm

 If the season ended today, a number of high-profile teams, including the San Francisco 49ers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sanfrancisco49ers/profile?team=SF), Seattle Seahawks (http://www.nfl.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA), Baltimore Ravens (http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/profile?team=BAL) and Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT), would not be in the playoffs (http://www.nfl.com/playoffs/playoff-picture).

How can that be? All those teams have great QB's
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 31, 2014, 09:20:34 pm



 Nobody in Jackies camp have seen the second half of this season yet.


 Except for the guy we cant keep away from the cold barbecue from Soldiers a week ago.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on October 31, 2014, 10:20:50 pm
JJ, I think I heard that 5 of the last remaining games are at home for the Bears. How many home wins do the Bears have this year? Zippo. Nada
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 02, 2014, 12:59:30 am



 In an NFL world that wants to be turned upside down ...

CHICAGO BEARS HC : Bill Cowher

CHICAGO BEARS OC : Mark Trestman

CHICAGO BEARS DC : Rex Ryan

Special Teams Coach : Dave Toub

Strength & Conditioning Coach : Rusty Jones out of retirement
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on November 02, 2014, 06:45:05 am
Correction: In a NFL world that needs to be turned upside down....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 03, 2014, 04:44:51 pm



 All the talk is about N.E. & Denver in the AFC ... you better add Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 03, 2014, 07:56:20 pm
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NFL odds do not stop at the point spread and over under. There are numerous ways to bet on football these days, including the NFL money line, futures (odds to win the Super Bowl), along first half and second half betting lines. Throw in fun fantasy-style prop bets (will Tom Brady throw for 300+ yards this week) and live NFL betting (where you can wager on the next play and on odds that change all game long) and the importance of understanding how NFL odds work has never been greater. Check out the lines and bookmark for more updates and football lines enhancements in the coming weeks and months.

NFL Odds Legend
Point spread

Fancy new betting options may come and go and live NFL betting is the wave of the future. But the good old NFL point spread remains the king when it comes to wagering on pro football. Also known as the line or spread and as betting ‘sides,’ a common misconception is that sportsbooks sets the spread as a predicted margin of victory. In reality, it's a number odds makers feel will be a good balance between people who want to bet the underdog and those who want to bet the NFL favorite.

A negative value like -11.5 next to a team indicates that they are favored by 11.5 points. So deduct 11.5 points from their total score and see if they still won the game or not. Conversely, a positive value on the same game would be +11.5 (add 11.5 points to their final score). In NFL betting, the favorite must win by at least 12 points to cover the NFL spread. The underdog can lose by 11 points and still cover the spread.

When you see a moneyline value associated with the point spread, it is the percentage amount you must pay in order to book the bet. Commonly referred to as the vig or juice, if you see -11.5, -115, it means you have to risk $115 to win $100, a 15% commission. The underdog may see a value such as +11.5, +105. This means you bet $100 to win $105 if your team covers the spread.

If you see the point spread is -9 on Monday and -10.5 on Wednesday, this is known as a line move. It occurs when too many people are betting the same side of the game and sportsbooks move the line to balance action. That means encouraging more people to bet the other way by making the line more attractive. This reduces risk for the sportsbook, who wants to have an equal amount of betting action (handle) on each team.

Moneyline

NFL moneyline betting continues to grow in popularity as many begin to understand the value of moneylines, especially in betting small underdogs. There is no spread to beat, so your team needs only to win the game straight up (SU), not win by a certain number of points. As with most betting numbers, a negative value indicates the favorite (-140) and a positive one means underdog (+120).

If you envision the number 100 sitting in between these two values, it helps explain how an NFL moneyline works. If you want to bet that -140 favorite, you must risk $140 in order to win $100. To back a +120 underdog we mentioned above, you bet $100 and win $120 if the dog wins outright. In many cases, betting money lines offers better value and can provide a bigger profit for less risk. Read some of the NFL betting 101 section to learn more about when you should bet a moneyline instead of a point spread.

Total

Also known as NFL over under betting, it’s the number set by sportsbooks that estimates the total number of points scored by both teams combined. Then, bettors predict whether there will be more points or less points than the NFL ‘total.’ If you bet the under 37.5, you are hoping for a defensive battle and expecting the offenses to struggle. Conversely, if you bet the over, you are hoping this will be a high-scoring game. Long story short, you are predicting whether the combined total score will be more than (over) or less than (under) the total.

NFL totals betting has become the bet of choice for fans in many games, especially where the point spread is very tight. It also becomes more popular if matchup or injury situations point to a certain style of game. Rain, wind and cold weather can also change the total and make it a more preferable bet than the spread.

Futures

Will the New England patriots win the next Super Bowl? You can place bets at any time on the future Super Bowl champion. This is known as NFL futures betting. Oddsmakers set lines and change them during the season, depending on a team’s success or lack thereof. For example, a first-place team in November may be +200 to win the title (roughly 2/1 odds). This means a $100 bet would pay out a $200 profit if they go on to win the title. However, a 1-8 team may be +2000, where a $100 wager would pay $2,000 as a longshot. They can be profitable and its always fun to predict the winner early in the season. But bet wisely. Betting a large amount on an NFL future bet ties up your money for a long time.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 03, 2014, 08:00:05 pm
So, Green Bay's three listings of plus-1,000 would correlate to a 10 percent chance bet of them winning it all, while the plus-975 bets would put them at 10.25 percent.

The other heavyweight in the NFC North, Detroit, is listed below Green Bay, despite a single-game lead in the division that also includes a tiebreaking win from earlier in the season. In OddsShark.com's listings, Detroit is between a plus-2,000 (Bovada) and plus-2,500 (Bet Online and Sports Betting) chance to come home with the Lombardi Trophy. Those numbers would signify a five percent and four percent shot, about half of Green Bay's current number.

When averaging the numbers from 5 Dimes and Bovada, two of the most popular online sportsbooks, from the OddsSharks.com site, there becomes an interesting revelation: Green Bay clearly edges the division in pure talent, at least in Vegas' eyes.

With the averaged criteria, the Packers rank third in the league, including second in the NFC, in Super Bowl odds with a plus-988 mark. That's a 10.12 percent value. Only the Denver Broncos at 38.46 percent and Seattle Seahawks at 12.50 percent net a higher asking price in value.

The rest of the division doesn't rank nearly as well. Detroit comes in tied at 11th with the San Diego Chargers at a 4.5 percent value. Chicago ranks third in the division with a 0.5 percent value. Minnesota rounds out the North with a 0.1 percent mark.

So, with Green Bay having such a clear lead over the other divisional rivals, their schedule should bode pretty well for them down the road, correct?

Let's start this one at the bottom of the odds. Minnesota has a bye next week but will finish the season with seven straight games, six of which are against teams who have better Super Bowl odds than the Vikings. If we decided to select the winners of games based on Super Bowl odds, giving us a projected record, the Vikings would finish 5-11.

The Chicago Bears, who have the second-worst odds in the North, will play eight more games, five against teams with better odds in the Super Bowl race. In Week 13-16, there's a stretch of four games in a row in which the Bears face superior teams, based on Vegas' projection. While only one game, the first Detroit game of the stretch, is on the road, their projected record under our criteria would be 6-10.

Detroit, which currently leads the North, has an interesting stretch coming up. The hot Miami Dolphins, who beat AFC contender San Diego 37-0 this past Sunday, will be visitors in the Motor City this week. Outside of that match, the Lions shouldn't have much to stress regarding home games, as they play the Bears, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Vikings to finish their Ford Field competitions.

The issue for them is going to be their late-in-the-season road games. After Miami, the Lions play the Arizona Cardinals and New England Patriots, both ranked in the top seven in Super Bowl odds, on the road back-to-back. The squad also faces the Packers on the road in Week 17. Based on our criteria, Detroit would finish with an 11-5 record in 2014.

Lastly are the Packers. While they won't be underdogs in any of the remaining 2014 matches, barring an injury, Green Bay does play two relatively tough games to end the year. Like the Lions, they too play two top-seven Vegas-odds squads: the Patriots and Philadelphia Eagles. Unlike the Lions, though, they don't have to play them on the road.

Under the criteria expressed earlier, the team would finish with a 13-3 record. While rarely are games played out perfectly on paper, let alone weeks, this gives an interesting look at how both gamblers and fans should be perceiving what remains of the NFC North's 2014.

It's currently no surprise that the Packers are the favorites in the division to win the Super Bowl. With only a game and a tiebreaker separating them from the lead in the North, the Packers can absolutely make up that ground over the next eight weeks. With Detroit's rough road schedule coming up and Chicago and Minnesota not projected to truly compete for a title run, don't be shocked if the Packers come from behind to steal a home playoff bid.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 03, 2014, 09:00:32 pm



 Geezus Packy clean out your posts before you post !
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on November 04, 2014, 08:02:40 pm


 Geezus Packy clean out your posts before you post !

Too deep?


I don't care for some of your language,jj.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 04, 2014, 11:09:27 pm



 
Too deep?


I don't care for some of your language,jj.


 Clean out the goddamn motherfucking blank spaces before you post !  :D


 Did you take a look at your last few posts ?


 They just took up the height of the Empire State Building!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 06, 2014, 06:25:26 pm



 If our Defense cant plant Rodgers ... then game over.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 06, 2014, 11:36:13 pm



 Should we start paying attention to Cleveland ?


 Bengals are good ... Browns put a stop to that.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 13, 2014, 05:25:58 pm



 Allen had 85.5 sacks in six seasons with the Vikings.

14 sacks per season on average.

 
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Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2014, 05:41:18 pm
He disappears under Tucker.....Pepper's was doing well until he 'disappeared under Tucker'....then he goes to the Quack and reappears. HMMMmmm...just WHAT is the common denominator in this scenario?....
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Post by: boogie on November 13, 2014, 06:55:54 pm
That is a very good question.  VERY good. 
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 14, 2014, 05:51:23 pm


 Are we getting bored with shitting on our TEAM yet ?

Maybe the TEAM reacts to how we treat them ... we think they're losers ... they play like losers.

We've kicked them down to the ground in the first 9 games,

to more than make up for kicking them in the next 7 games.

From here on out its just : GO CHICAGO BEARS !! ... no matter what.


 We have to live with this TEAM next year ... and the year after that ... and that.


 Unless you also want to become a Raiduhs fans like JJ.


 Yeah ... nobody was raising their hands for that situation.
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Post by: packrat on November 16, 2014, 11:03:01 pm

Green Bay did just that in Week 11 against a formerly 7-2 Philadelphia Eagles team, beating Chip Kelly's squad 53-20. Again, the 53 isn't exactly a surprise, but the 20 is—especially out of an Eagles offense that was averaging 31 points per game coming into the week.

This isn't what we expect out of the Packers defense, but it's what Green Bay expects. At least, that's what linebacker Julius Peppers said following the game: "It's the standard; it's what we expect. We expect to come out and perform at a high level against anybody."

Peppers, who not only applied relentless pressure but also had an interception return for a touchdown, called this Packers team: "Something special. Not only haven't I been a part of it, I've never seen it. It's just a groove. We just need to see it every week. We need to see a consistent, high-level performance every week..."

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Post by: Sportster on November 16, 2014, 11:12:52 pm
Absolutely hate to say it, but the Packers are looking like Super Bowl contenders already. It'll probably be them and the Pats, again.
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Post by: Pekin on November 16, 2014, 11:15:40 pm
They do look bad ass right now.
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Post by: guest77 on November 17, 2014, 11:54:48 am
It's no wonder Peppers is doing so well as a Packer...he took 4 seasons off when he was a Bear.  What a douche! >:(

But I agree the Pack looks to be back.  2 fifty burgers in a row plus it looks like the Lye-downs are starting their annual late-season swoon.  Of course, Bears play the Lions twice yet, so maybe not.   
 
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 17, 2014, 07:16:32 pm



 Packers win at home.
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Post by: packrat on November 17, 2014, 07:41:37 pm
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/julius-peppers-exactly-what-packers-defense-needs-b99391526z1-282898411.html

Film clip of Julius after his second pick-six.  Good for al least another year. 

With him and an improving Nick Perry at OLB, the sacks are beginning to come.

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Post by: packrat on November 17, 2014, 08:30:18 pm
(http://prod.images.packers.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/PACKERS/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/clubimages/2014/11-November/temp141117-swyc-eagles-14--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720)


Julius in retros.
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Post by: packrat on November 17, 2014, 08:34:10 pm
(http://prod.images.packers.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/PACKERS/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/clubimages/2014/11-November/temp141117-swyc-eagles-13--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720)

Whoopee
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Post by: packrat on November 17, 2014, 08:39:36 pm
(http://prod.images.packers.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/PACKERS/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/clubimages/2014/11-November/temp141117-swyc-eagles-27--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720)

Julius jumps on Clay.
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Post by: WshflThinking on November 17, 2014, 09:19:17 pm
Ride em cowboy!
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Post by: packrat on November 17, 2014, 10:04:51 pm
LOL.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 18, 2014, 01:09:38 am
 
If we sort thru the B.S. it could be Packers-New England right now ...


 4 weeks from now ... I dunno.
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Post by: Sportster on November 18, 2014, 01:23:10 am
That's who it's gonna be, JJ.....might as well just put em in it now....
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Post by: packrat on November 19, 2014, 08:40:03 pm
WOW!  I wish that I had that kind of confidence.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 19, 2014, 08:57:57 pm



 
WOW!  I wish that I had that kind of confidence.


 You're one QB away from meeting Belichick for all the marbles.


 If Rodgers goes down ... welcome to THE CHICAGO BEARS !!
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Post by: packrat on November 19, 2014, 11:11:55 pm
True dat.  Matt Flynn has been stinking up the joint.
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Post by: Sportster on November 19, 2014, 11:11:56 pm
The Lions do have to play the Bears twice, so that should be two easy wins for them which could stymie things a bit but they just don't have the QB to get em all the way, IMO. Follow the QB play and you'll see who makes it.....
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Post by: packrat on November 19, 2014, 11:15:43 pm
I will absolutely be rooting for the Bears for the rest of the season.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 20, 2014, 12:32:52 am



 
I will absolutely be rooting for the Bears for the rest of the season.

 That's my Packy ! He knows when to be a snake !  ;)
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 20, 2014, 04:28:56 am



 Everyone at One Buc Place agrees this is the Josh McCown they expected to see.  This is the 35-year-old veteran quarterback they remember playing in Chicago, a picture of poise and control, dropping dimes into receivers' hands, pumping his fist and leaping into the meaty arms of an offensive lineman.

It's the player who passed for 288 yards and two touchdowns with no interceptions in Sunday's 27-7 win at Washington. • "It's what we envisioned, Josh playing football like he did this past Sunday," coach Lovie Smith said, "and for him to continue playing ball like that." 

The performance came one week after McCown began his news conference after a home loss to Atlanta with all the emotion of a Miss Teen USA contestant, his eyes about to spill over like full sinks.

But his tears didn't extinguish the fire or competitiveness he needed to have one of his best performances as a pro against the Redskins. He completed scoring passes of 36 and 56 yards to rookie Mike Evans, and finished with a 137.5 passer rating."I was tired of losing,"

McCown said of his Falcons news conference. "It's not going the way we wanted it to, but for whatever reason, the way it is this year in the NFC South, we're still in this thing. As long as they paint the field and turn the lights on, I'm going to compete and play."


McCown's journey comes full circle Sunday when he returns to Chicago to face the franchise that was responsible for his rebirth in the league.

Smith brought him back to the Bears as a backup in 2011. After Smith was fired in 2012, McCown's career took off last season under coach Marc Trestman. Filling in for injured starter Jay Cutler, McCown went 3-2 while throwing an impressive 13 touchdown passes and only one interception.


"Every now and then, you click with somebody who sees it the way you see it," he said. "I think that's what allowed me to play the level I played at for Marc."


Once Smith was hired by the Bucs last offseason, it led to McCown being lured by a two-year, $10 million contract and the promise of being the starter.


There are several reasons McCown failed in his first three games with the Bucs. A week before the regular season began, offensive coordinator Jeff Tedford had a heart procedure and eventually went on a medical leave.

That thrust into the role Marcus Arroyo, a 34-year-old quarterbacks coach who had never called a play in the NFL.


The offensive line was a mess. The Bucs traded for Patriots guard Logan Mankins a week before the season opener. With little protection and no running game, McCown said he put too much pressure on himself to make plays and wound up creating costly turnovers before a broken thumb at Atlanta in Week 3 knocked him out for a month.


After Smith pulled the plug on Mike Glennon following a 1-4 record, McCown played like McCown again. He passed for more than 300 yards and two scores against the Falcons.

But the defense couldn't hold another fourth-quarter lead, and two late interceptions doomed a comeback.


After the win at Washington, McCown couldn't stop smiling as he entered his news conference.

"It's tight in here, huh?" he said. "Last week did y'all get wet?"
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Post by: Sportster on November 20, 2014, 04:53:20 am
Ohhh buddy, can you imagine the uproar if this guy comes to Chicago and beats the Bears and Cutler??? Wowsers.....might as well hang the entire staff following that game....
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 20, 2014, 05:23:56 am



 
Ohhh buddy, can you imagine the uproar if this guy comes to Chicago and beats the Bears and Cutler??? Wowsers.....might as well hang the entire staff following that game....


 You may have noticed our beloved CHICAGO BEARS improved their DEFENSE just slightly.


 How slightly ? Lets try 96 yards rushing & 158 yards passing from Minnie.  ;D
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Post by: Keysbear on November 20, 2014, 07:29:20 am
That's who it's gonna be, JJ.....might as well just put em in it now....

Lets see how they do against a real defense before we give them the conference. Eagles are nearly as bad on D as us.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 20, 2014, 07:48:43 am



                               Six games to go and nobody's SUPERMAN.
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Post by: Sportster on November 20, 2014, 04:00:12 pm
Actually, there ARE two 'superQB's' right now and they both play on those teams...Brady and Rodgers.....they have the best shots of ending up in the big dance, but yea there are games to be played yet and we 'cough cough' stand in the way of the Loins making it in......HA...yea....
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Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2014, 10:41:21 pm
Raiders win!  Even though they seem to be stuck on stupid and almost blew it while celebrating 20 yards down field while the Chiefs were snapping the ball.  Luckily TO was called.

Congrats JJ!

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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 22, 2014, 05:16:50 pm



 
Raiders win!  Even though they seem to be stuck on stupid and almost blew it while celebrating 20 yards down field while the Chiefs were snapping the ball.  Luckily TO was called.

Congrats JJ!


 Duck,


 JJ's beloved teams this season 5-16 COMBINED so far! You just gotta have hope !  ;D


 So help me god there's a BEARS-Raiders SUPERBOWL in the future!
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Post by: boogie on November 22, 2014, 05:33:02 pm


 

 Duck,


 JJ's beloved teams this season 5-16 COMBINED so far! You just gotta have hope !  ;D


 So help me god there's a BEARS-Raiders SUPERBOWL in the future!

Yeah, but who would you root for???
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 22, 2014, 05:51:39 pm



 
Yeah, but who would you root for???


 Both. It would be the only time I could ever do that!  ;D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 22, 2014, 07:16:22 pm



 By GOD after everything we did on making a DEFENSE ...


 it sure in the hell better come on against TAMPA!
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Post by: packrat on November 27, 2014, 10:50:27 pm
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/11/25/7280775/jets-lions-matthew-stafford-geno-smith-michael-vick

Bears' offensive statistics.
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Post by: packrat on November 28, 2014, 07:33:44 pm
FOXBORO — Usually when Bill Belichick speaks glowingly about the opposing team or a star quarterback like Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck, he gives the usual calculated response about their amazing abilities.

But on Wednesday, in describing Aaron Rodgers, Belichick offered up the normal compliments and then just shook his head at the end.

Rodgers has thrown for 30 touchdowns and just three interceptions in a season where Green Bay isn’t just beating teams at Lambeau Field, they’re destroying them. What is it that Rodgers does so well?

“Everything, he’€™s a great player,” Belichick said. “He does a tremendous job, really at everything. He’€™s got no weak points; makes every throw. [He] handles the team very well at the line: checks and adjustments, he certainly sees the defense well. [He] uses all his weapons, makes great throws from the short ones [to] intermediate, down the field, sidelines, back shoulders, deep routes and then he has a great ability to extend plays, either sliding in the pocket or at times scrambling outside the pocket.

“They’€™ve made a lot of plays this year on things like that where he either buys extra time or just flat-out gets away from the rush and lets the receivers uncover. He’€™s a hard guy to tackle, hard guy to get and a very good thrower, very accurate thrower and has great vision. He’€™s really good.”

Rodgers has been on the roster twice before when the Patriots played the Packers but has yet to play a down against them. In 2006, he was behind Brett Favre, when the Patriots went into Lambeau and won, 35-0. In 2010, at Gillette, Matt Flynn earned a name for himself by nearly beating the Patriots in primetime, filling in for Rodgers who was nursing a concussion.

“I mean, it is what it is,” Belichick said. “Whatever hasn’€™t happened hasn’€™t happened. I’€™m not really worried about it.”

In facing quarterbacks like Andrew Luck and Matthew Stafford the last two weeks, the Patriots are somewhat prepared for a mobile quarterback. But then Belichick cautioned, “not like him. Yeah, not like him.”

What makes him different?

“It’€™s just, he’€™s great,” Belichick added. “He’€™s quick, he’€™s big, he throws the ball very accurately, has great vision down the field. He finds guys that there’€™s not a lot of space, but he finds them and he hits them. He’€™s really good. I’€™m not taking anything away from anybody else, but this guy is a really good player.”

Asked to compare his quarterback with Mr. Rodgers, Belichick did crack a smile.

“They both wear 12,” the coach said.

That's good old Bill Bellyache.
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Post by: packrat on November 28, 2014, 07:51:55 pm
 PFT Commenter  @PFTCommenter  on Nov 28 2014, 11:31a  26   

The Cowboys have once again collapsed and disappointed the worst fans in football.

We're required to remind you that these strong takes are SATIRE. Sorry, not sorry. All spelling errors are intentional, we think. -Ed.

Happy day after Thanksgiving folks. I hope you all enjoyed your turkey day- I know I did. I was once again MVP of my Turkey Bowl to no ones suprise. The only thing lower then my padlevel was my opponets jockstrap as I ran my ex's boyfriends son who I smashed in 1-on-1 by almost a hundred points. Then he got to tired and injured so we stopped playing and I drove him home on my bike. After that- it was time for some turkey, and I dont know about you guys but I ate & ate.

Speaking of ate and ate, how bout them Cowboys!!!!

I call Jason Garret "Marlboro Red" because hes a Cowboy killer folks. Dallas might not win another game this, or any other season folks bringing there record to a traditonal .500 8-8. Everythings bigger in Texas, folks, including mediocrity.

Tony Romo struggled to complete a pass thats longer then the list of injurys that Jerry Jones has told him to walk off. I call him Kony Romo folks because hes funded by a lunatic and no ones heard from him since 2010.

All the stars were aligning on and off the field for Americas team just a month or so ago, but now they might be in the midst of there biggest embarrassment ever except maybe the time one of there players drove drunk and killed another player and was then reinstated to the team like a week ago. Do you know why they call the Cowboys "Americas" team? Its because they have 50 stars but no leadership, and the beginning of the end started when the Banks took over.

The Cowboys are the traveling salesman of the NFL because its like they do better on the road then at home and once they hit there quotas they just relax until they get there last paycheck. Now that they have there 8 wins they are gong to log off salesforce and halfass it through the New Year. Ive seen it a hundred times in my jobs I had as salesperson for Comcast, Time Warner, and DIRECTV. Just the nature of the beast.

Dont believe me? I did the math for you:

Next week the Cowboys travel to Soldier field to take on the Bears for a Thursday night game. Definite loss. A Thursday Night December game in Chicago is Bear weather and people forgot the Cowboys already released Michael Sam no offense. The Bears are going to be led out onto the field with like no sleeves whatsoever and the Cowboys are going to be bundled up on account of visitors to Chicago dont get the right to bare arms because of Rahm Emmanuell.

The following week they travellng to Philadelphia, to take on Mark Sanchez who has a couple of weeks experience which is actually more then his usual romantic conquests.

Then theyve got Andrew Luck coming to Dallas on a mission, literally looking like hes in the Church of the Brethren

Thats followed by a matchup with arch-nemsis Colt McCoy who is undefeated this year against them.

Its time to face facts folks- the Cowboys are staring down the barrell of another 8-8 year. Even if they pull one or two out of there butts against the Bears or Washingtons they will still be eliminated because in my opnion, the Cardinals and Seahawks will have a better record then them. Thats a fact.

So there you have it, the Cowboys have once again dissappointed everyone in the world and collapsed upon themselves like a big tower of jenga assembled by a blockhead. All this losing is going to have Jerry Jones looking for black friday deals on his next coach and QB folks and I tell you what you can get a semi-used Robert Griffin for about 90% off his 2012 MSRP price. Warranty not included.

;-)

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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 29, 2014, 05:56:29 pm



 As of 11-29-14 ... THE CHICAGO BEARS have 16 rookies on their 53 man roster.


 And this is scary ... Marc Trestman ... Steve Bartman ... you be the judge.


 (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWKhCSBT6MJ8PjXHnt5Pj0M6K0o0gBC2-c_rItvgdP4UkJ30H69Q)(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2011/09/27/Steve-Bartman_320.jpg)
 
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 29, 2014, 07:35:54 pm



 MEANWHILE ... what ever happened to JORDAN LYNCH ?
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Post by: Sportster on November 29, 2014, 08:39:07 pm
Marc Bartman, LOL
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Post by: dallasbear on December 03, 2014, 03:27:37 pm

I still think Lynch should have beefed up and played FB.  Not sure where he is now.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 04, 2014, 12:38:54 am



 A blast from the not to immediate past ...


 Twas the night before Packers,and all thru the HOUSE,
 Every BEARS fan was stirring,even the mouse.
The helmets were hung by the lockers with care,
In hopes that GEORGE HALAS soon would be there.
The BEARS Fans were nestled all snug in their beds,
while visions of SACK DANCES danced in their heads.
And BRIGGS in his kerchief and FORTE in his cap,
Had just decided to send the Packers a nap.
When out on the field there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from my TV to see what was the matter.
Away to the internet I flew like a flash,
turned on Bearz.com,and threw up the stash.
The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow,
Gave the luster of midday to objects below,
When,what to my wondering eyes should appear,
but PAYTON and BUTKUS and the HALL OF FEAR.
With a little old quarterback,so lively and quick,
I knew in a moment it must be Ortonick.
More rapid then eagles,his coursers they came,
And he whistled and shouted and called them by name:
Now Hester! Now Vasher!
Now Urlacher and Kreutz!
On Briggs! On Tait!
On Harris and Brandon!
To the top of the NFC!
To the top of them all!!
Now dash away! Dash away all!
As dry leaves that before the wild hurricanes fly,
When they meet with THE BEARS,mount to the sky
So up to the HOUSE-TOP the coursers they flew,
With the score 42-7, as second stringers came thru.
And then in a twinkling, I heard from the HOUSE,
Prancing and pawing of each new BEAR fan found,
as the wonderment of BEARS history,
that did astound.
PAPA BEAR spoke not a word,
but went straight to his work,
and defeated the Packers,then turned them to jerks.
And laying his finger aside of his nose,
And giving a nod,up to Heaven he rose.
He sprang to his Corvette,to his team gave a whistle,
and away they all flew like the FIRST DOWNS of a missile.
But I heard him exclaim,before he drove out of sight,
BEAR DOWN ALWAYS…GIVE THE PACKERS THE BLIGHT!!!!
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Post by: packrat on December 04, 2014, 05:47:02 pm
1. Most Underrated RB: Matt Forte

The most underrated running back in the NFL is Matt Forte. The guy is overlooked and rarely is mentioned as the league’s top back, but one can make that argument. He has put up ninth-most rushing yards and has caught the sixth-most passes in the league. As a running back he’s caught more passes than Jordy Nelson, Dez Bryant, T.Y. Hilton, Julian Edelman, Jeremy Maclin and more. His 1478 total yards on the season are beyond impressive, yet still some forget him when assembling their top five running back lists. There isn’t a more underrated player in the NFL. Forte does so much for this Bears team and he does it all impressively well.
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Post by: Dave23 on December 04, 2014, 09:11:49 pm
Some of us have been saying this for years...
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Post by: stelz on December 04, 2014, 09:30:48 pm
I don't know....Forte can't get tough yards at all and often seems very easy to tackle.
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Post by: Keysbear on December 04, 2014, 09:35:28 pm
I don't know....Forte can't get tough yards at all and often seems very easy to tackle.

He's a finesse back with only slightly above average speed. That doesn't cut it.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 05, 2014, 04:12:28 am



There's a running joke around the New Orleans Saints' locker room that coach Sean Payton has two personalities

There's the usual Payton, intense but amiable, who can relax and joke around, keep things light when necessary and motivate when needed. That's the guy players see almost every weekday.

Then there's "Game day Sean" -- the fiery, intense personality that comes out when the lights go on.See Payton yelling at a player?
That's just Game day Sean, the team says.Payton is friendly with his players. Game day Sean, to a large extent, is not.
But he never promised to be.
When the game is on the line, any person in his way will face his fire."He's intense. He's just competitive," said quarterback Drew Brees. "That's the best way to describe it. He's ultra, ultra-competitive and fiery."That fiery nature has become a topic of discussion amid a report that Payton and defensive coordinator Rob Ryan have a growing rift between them.Payton and Ryan yelled at each other while cameras zoomed in during last week's 35-32 win against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
They also fist-bumped in celebration later in the game.
That's Payton in a nut shell. He'll get in anyone's face -- from the ball boy to the officials -- if he feels they aren't doing their job.Payton's yell can make seasoned veterans cringe.
His stare makes grown men wince.
But Payton will also be the first to get in an official's face in defense of his players. He'll also be the one waiting to greet a player with a hearty backslap after a good play.
Payton has been that way since he first put on the head set. It's nothing personal. And he won't apologize for it.
"That's me," Payton said Sunday. "Pick somebody. You ready? Pick (special teams coordinator) Greg McMahon. Pick (cornerback) Corey White. Pick the game. That's just me being fired up. Pick (assistant head coach/linebackers) Joe Vitt. It's more obvious when it's Rob because the camera is going to be on him more than it's going to be on Greg McMahon or a player.
"Yeah, I get upset when there are 12 guys on the field. That doesn't mean I'm looking for another defensive coach. I'm going to be more upset again.
There's going to be more clips of it."Being yelled at by Payton on game day is not an exclusive club, and yet players trade tales like war stories.
"If you've been here long enough, it's happened to all of us," said right tackle Zach Strief, who's been on the team since 2006, Payton's first season.Strief recalled Payton stomping up to him after he gave up a particularly bad hit against an opponent one year.
"He came to the sideline and asked me, 'Is this too big for you? As in, is playing in the NFL (too big for you)?" Strief said.It sounds like a question that would be posed to a rookie. But it occurred during Strief's sixth season.
"It's kind of a running joke as to the 'Game day Sean' demeanor," Brees said. "He can be so calm, cool, composed in here, practice, meeting room, that kind of thing and then game day rolls around.
Do not get on his bad side."Saints cornerback Keenan Lewis, who spent his first four seasons in the league with the Steelers, remembers the first time he witnessed it after joining the team last season.
He looked at Jabari Greer in shock."Does he always act like this?" Lewis asked Greer.Only when the clock is running.
Players have learned to steer clear of Payton, especially when they know they've done wrong. Once he got over his shock, Lewis learned the drill quickly.
If he knows he messed up, he jogs as far from Payton as possible.Y'all see what I do when I mess up? I run way behind the cheerleaders and keep going! I don't walk to that sideline," Lewis said.What does he do if Payton finds him? "I'll probably blame Corey," he said jokingly. "He's not going to find me, I'm running! I told you, I'm scared of that guy.
I try to stay as far away as possible.
"Players can run, but they can't hide.
"I'd never gotten a chewing out like that before, ever," White said. "If you know you've done something wrong, you might want to run to the locker room. You know you're going to get that chewing."It's happened to all of them.
Brees gets it through the radio in his headset."Turn that volume down!" he joked.
Added Brees: "That's what you love about him. That's what keeps you on edge in a good way.

"Lewis appreciates it. But you won't catch him in Payton's radius on a game day."I'm still scared of him though," he said. "I'm scared of that guy."
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It's OUR music not theirs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5zPqgQ67yo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5zPqgQ67yo)


 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on December 05, 2014, 11:03:35 am
One thing's for certain about Forte, he is the least of the Bears Problems. I like Matt, and would hate to him go anywhere. But, he for sure is not the guy that gets the extra yards, usually goes down with the first tackle..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on December 07, 2014, 09:53:04 pm
Man, from a detached point of view, NE and SD are beating the living hell out of each other. People are getting busted to pieces and that
game is being played with a fury  I haven't seen played in chicago since forever. The Chargers and Pats both have their peckers up, and helmets, body parts and the football are flying all over the mud, the blood, and the beer.  Why can't the Bears play like that? When will the Bears play like that?  If ever?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on December 08, 2014, 12:39:55 am
No one is being held accountable for their play nor pushed to play better. Trestman keeps spouting nonsense Wanny-like, 'We had a good week of practice.' 'We'll go back and look at tape and get better.' Right now, they're a bunch of paycheck collectors not earning their pay...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: AZSteve on December 08, 2014, 08:31:42 am
Good stuff Sporty
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on December 08, 2014, 10:53:54 am

Forte has done a pretty good job this year on 3rd and short.

No he's not the perfect back but considering our line's inability to run block he's been doing a damn good job year in and year out.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on December 08, 2014, 11:20:35 am
New England has now 12 consecutive seasons of 10 + win seasons and, except for two seasons, have been 1st in the division every year since 2001.  Hate Belichick/spygate or not, that's pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on December 08, 2014, 12:20:55 pm
So is it the coach or Brady?  Or maybe both?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on December 08, 2014, 01:17:55 pm
Both
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on December 08, 2014, 01:32:56 pm

Probably both but Belichek did win 11 games with Matt Cassell starting 15 games in 2008 and no Brady.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 10, 2014, 10:49:58 pm
Dilfer, on Kaepernick:

Here's what Dilfer said:


I know the kid, I believe in the kid, he needs to be rehabilitated. That staff has done a horrible job. Now listen, I'm gonna get ripped for saying this, I'm going to go back to the Bay Area and they'll say, 'Dilfer ripped [Jim] Harbaugh and Geep [Chryst] and [Greg] Roman.' I like those guys, OK? They've done a horrible job developing Kap. They approached it the wrong way. They had it right for a while when they had some pistol in the offense, when they didn't try to put him under center all the time, when they're running more movement, fluid-type pass concepts. Now it's become a target offense. This is some high-level conversation.

Maybe the biggest thing is look at Kap. Go back and look at an interview when he was at Nevada-Reno, his freshman, sophomore year, and his confidence, personality. The kid's a great kid. The kid has a soul. The kid is charismatic, he's fun, he's fun-loving. He gets along with everybody. The different cultures around the locker room. He's different. He's been hardened and broken by the NFL from a mental standpoint, from a social-awareness standpoint. He just needs a big old hug. He needs a coach that will come in there; I wish Mike Holmgren was still in the NFL. He needs a Mike Holmgren that can come in and tell him how good he can be. And listen, kid, I got the tools to make you good again.

Colin still has a chance, it's just, it's been, my vocabulary is killing me here. I don't have the vocabulary to explain. He's just been beaten down to a place where he's not himself anymore. And now you see it unfortunately, when you get beat down emotionally and socially that much, and mentally, this is the result on the football field. I know it sounds very esoteric, that's what it is.

I don't believe this is malarkey. I buy into it. Harbaugh doesn't just drain the front-office types around him. Harbaugh wears on the players, too.

Great coach, but he's like an anchor on the chest. The team that signs him next—cough, the Oakland Raiders, cough—will get a coach who will win a ton of games, but they may not always enjoy the process along the way.

 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 10, 2014, 10:58:52 pm
I really respect the honesty of Bear fans.  You call turd a turd but give praise where it is deserved.  Good posting board here.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 11, 2014, 12:58:18 am



 
I really respect the honesty of Bear fans.  You call turd a turd but give praise where it is deserved.  Good posting board here.


 Just trying to win a SUPERBOWL baby !


 It's only going on 30 YEARS since the last one.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 11, 2014, 02:24:45 pm
http://nflmocks.com/2014/12/10/expect-chicago-bears-go-defense-2015-nfl-draft/?utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

Bears expected to go heavy on defense in next draft.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 11, 2014, 02:31:06 pm
http://lombardiave.com/2014/12/10/green-bay-packers-nfl-draft-held-today/?utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

Teams' draft needs.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on December 11, 2014, 03:38:52 pm
Analysis: The Bears spent so much money on offense in free agency that their defense was mostly ignored, and now it’s showing.

Really?

Defense:  Jared Allen, Ryan Mundy, Willie Young, Lamarr Houston

Offense: Brian de la Puente....Michael Ola...??

Draft:
defense: Fuller(1), Ferguson(2), Sutton(3), Vereen(4)
offense:  Carey (4)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on December 11, 2014, 03:46:19 pm
http://nflmocks.com/2014/12/10/expect-chicago-bears-go-defense-2015-nfl-draft/?utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

Bears expected to go heavy on defense in next draft.

I'm less worried about who we draft than about who is doing the drafting.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 13, 2014, 02:28:19 am



 Message From The McCaskeys ..................................
 
First of all : SHUT UP ! We are always right. You on the other hand are always wrong.

Want proof ? Who owns this team?

The LAST SUPERBOWL WON was built by POPPA BEAR before he died.

We just took over what he did and rode it to THE ONLY SUPERBOWL you will ever know while we are in charge.

This puppy is a cash cow money making machine selling fans the illusion they can see their team WIN.

BUT WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DO THAT ? We learned from the CUBS.

Keep the audience intrigued year after year after year after ... you're starting to get the idea.

Never produce a Championship ... but hold out the promise of a Championship!

You'll keep these suckers filling seats DECADE after DECADE to see when it's going to happen.

Does it make more money then teams winning Championships?

No.

But does it just keep generating money that fans pay for ?

Yes.

WE ... OWN ...YOU.   And you LOVE it !
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on December 13, 2014, 04:37:19 am
I'm less worried about who we draft than about who is doing the drafting.

Both make a difference. Like computers, garbage in, garbage out. if you put garbage out on the field that's what you get.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on December 13, 2014, 06:58:37 am
The LAST SUPERBOWL WON was built by POPPA BEAR Jim Finks (http://www.chicagobears.com/tradition/bears-in-the-hall/jim-finks.html)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on December 13, 2014, 07:35:49 am
Just curious going back in the time machine (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/executives.htm)

Why was Vainisi fired one season removed from a Super Bowl championship?

Was Tobin fired along with Ditka in order to clean house or did he resign?

Who was mainly responsible for the 90s drafts...Graves, Wanny, or a bit of both in some sort of synergistic dysfunctional process?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on December 13, 2014, 10:19:00 am
Finks was great on talent for players, but not so much for coaches.  He hired Neal Armstrong out of the cfl. Halas, still alive at the time,
fired Armstrong and went and got Ditka himself, Finks wasn't involved at all, and quit.  Every fuckup after the superbowl win was on lil
Mikey, and Virgina. Ditka had become huge, Tobin was his man, and lil Mikey couldn't have anybody in the Bears with any type of power base. Don't forget, he's still around, in charge of moving plants around the office. Wait till Virginia dies. God help us all.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 13, 2014, 10:30:43 pm



 
The LAST SUPERBOWL WON was built by POPPA BEAR <a href=";http://www.chicagobears.com/tradition/bears-in-the-hall/jim-finks.html (http://www.chicagobears.com/tradition/bears-in-the-hall/jim-finks.html)">Jim Finks


 Who hired Finks ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 13, 2014, 10:45:49 pm



 BTW ... Anybody interested in this years Heisman Trophy winner?


  The QB out of Oregon.  ???


 With our **** ass record we could trade up in the draft to take him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on December 14, 2014, 06:45:44 am
Yeah all 7 of them plus Cuttler. A lot of good that would do
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 14, 2014, 09:03:34 pm



 
Yeah all 7 of them plus Cuttler. A lot of good that would do


 You think the guy's that good that, that is what it would take to get him ?


 He doesn't play a pro style offense at Oregon.


 And may end up like Johnny Football in the NFL.


 He does have better wheels then Wilson tho.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 14, 2014, 10:41:38 pm
Hold on…do you mean you can't succeed at the quarterback position in the NFL by just upchucking lobs into the middle of the field like you're at the county fair trying to throw rings around milk bottles?

Are you telling me that what you could do at Texas A&M, you can't do in the pros? That everyone is faster than you? More athletic? You mean if you don't study hard all the time in a league with so many intelligent men who bust their ass in the classroom, you might fail?

You mean to say that in the NFL you have to be an accurate passer if you want to be a good quarterback? Nooooooo waaaayyyyy.

When Johnny Manziel was in college, he was electric. He was brilliant. He was the best. That may still happen in his professional career. But against the Cincinnati Bengals and their 20th-ranked passing defense Sunday, he was none of that. He was, as some across football predicted when Manziel was drafted, just another guy. He was worse. He made Tim Couch look like Joe Montana.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 14, 2014, 10:51:47 pm



 
Hold on…do you mean you can't succeed at the quarterback position in the NFL by just upchucking lobs into the middle of the field like you're at the county fair trying to throw rings around milk bottles?

Are you telling me that what you could do at Texas A&M, you can't do in the pros? That everyone is faster than you? More athletic? You mean if you don't study hard all the time in a league with so many intelligent men who bust their ass in the classroom, you might fail?

You mean to say that in the NFL you have to be an accurate passer if you want to be a good quarterback? Nooooooo waaaayyyyy.

When Johnny Manziel was in college, he was electric. He was brilliant. He was the best. That may still happen in his professional career. But against the Cincinnati Bengals and their 20th-ranked passing defense Sunday, he was none of that. He was, as some across football predicted when Manziel was drafted, just another guy. He was worse. He made Tim Couch look like Joe Montana.



 Hey fuckin lay off already will you ?


 I started the prick in FFL and got  -2 points out of the ****.


 My starter is on I.R. and my backup is Josh **** McCown.


 Johnny Football looked like a viable option with the HYPE.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on December 15, 2014, 10:14:44 am

Wow, way too early to declare Manziel another guy.

I recall Troy Aikman in his rookie year in '89...he was horrid.  And he even admitted as much in yesterday's broadcast.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on December 15, 2014, 02:18:33 pm
And Lynch remarked yesterday how the Cleveland WRs weren't helping Manziel find them when he started to scramble out of the pocket - and compared them to Green Bay WRs that have good communication with Rodgers and know where to go when he scrambles
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 15, 2014, 11:45:16 pm



 Gentlemen,


 We are in some deep **** here.


 What has to be done to correct the sewer we have evolved into?


 So now you know what it's like to also be a RAIDUH's fan ...  :D


 JJ has been thru this before ... if you go back a number of years you will see ...


 THE CHICAGO BEARS & OAKLAND RAIDERS finished at 4-12.


 In the same season.


 One of the teams went on to get to a SUPERBOWL !


 Then the other team went on to a SUPERBOWL !


 Anything is possible if the heart is put into it.  ;D


 We wish you a merry Christmas we wish you a merry Christmas ...


 We wish you a merry Christmas ... AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR !!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 16, 2014, 01:17:03 am

 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Tpe-dbPQI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Tpe-dbPQI)
 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on December 17, 2014, 05:40:33 am
JJ, I heard from a Hub Arkush interview, take it FWIW, that Mugs and Finks were very close friends and Mugs had to literally beg Papa Bear to hire Finks as GM in late 70s and the rest as they say is history.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 17, 2014, 06:05:27 am



 
JJ, I heard from a Hub Arkush interview, take it FWIW, that Mugs and Finks were very close friends and Mugs had to literally beg Papa Bear to hire Finks as GM in late 70s and the rest as they say is history.


 Anyway ... it WORKED! Ahhh ... success in the NFL ... often fleeting ,hard to come by. :o
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on December 17, 2014, 06:20:52 am
Tell that to the Patriots and the Steelers.  Bears fans don't have bragging rights of a dynasty since the **** '40s. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on December 17, 2014, 06:55:26 am



 
Tell that to the Patriots and the Steelers.  Bears fans don't have bragging rights of a dynasty since the **** '40s. 


 The idea is to change that.


 N.E. underwent an ownership change and you can point to that.


 Pittsburgh keeps the same ownership but keeps getting H.C.'s ...


  and you can point to that.


 Ideally DAA BEARRSSE should get both. But what are the odds?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: JBN on December 28, 2014, 07:11:24 pm
Jim Harbaugh, Niners mutually agree to part ways, source tells ESPN's Adam Schefter. - via @SportsCenter
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on December 29, 2014, 06:46:46 pm

Posted by Mike Wilkening on December 29, 2014, 7:26 PM EST

Denver Broncos vs. Oakland Raiders
Getty Images

As the postseason begins, the defending AFC champions are the fourth-betting choice to win Super Bowl 49 at a pair of major Nevada sports books.

Oddsmaker William Hill U.S. and the Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook both listed the Broncos as 6-1 shots to win it all as of Monday. Denver (12-4) is the No. 2 seed in the AFC.

The Seahawks are 9-4 favorites to repeat as Super Bowl champions at the SuperBook, while William Hill has Seattle and New England — the top seed in the AFC — as 11-5 co-favorites.

For the record, the Cardinals are the longest shot at both books. Arizona is 75-1 to win it all at the Westgate and 100-1 on William Hill’s oddsboard.

Here are the Super Bowl odds from both sports books:

Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook

Seahawks: 9-4.

Patriots: 5-2.

Packers: 5-1.

Broncos: 6-1.

Cowboys: 10-1.

Colts: 20-1.

Steelers: 20-1.

Ravens: 30-1.

Bengals: 40-1.

Lions: 40-1.

Panthers: 40-1.

Cardinals: 75-1.

William Hill U.S.

Patriots: 11-5.

Seahawks: 11-5.

Packers: 11-2.

Broncos: 6-1.

Cowboys: 8-1.

Steelers: 12-1.

Colts: 30-1.

Ravens: 30-1.

Lions: 40-1.

Bengals: 50-1.

Panthers: 50-1.

Cardinals: 100-1.
 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on December 31, 2014, 05:13:31 pm
Another HC opening.  Doug Marrone resigns in Buffalo.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on December 31, 2014, 05:19:57 pm
He obviously has another job lined up.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on December 31, 2014, 07:48:07 pm
Wow  Buffalo had a good season in my opinion
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on December 31, 2014, 07:55:29 pm
He had a 3 day window to opt out of the contract and receive 4 million if ownership changed and it did.  He tried to get them to extend his contract and they wouldn't so he opted out.

So 4 million and a chance for a new contract?  Really a no brainer when you think about it.

I bet he is a head coach this year.  He had turned the Bills around.  Rumors are the Jets want him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Bears4Ever on January 01, 2015, 09:40:57 am
And the Jets can have him :D

A couple of Buffalo fans I know are actually glad- they never really liked him and are now even more pissed that the Bills won a meaningless game and dropped some in the draft (sound familiar ? :D).

Here's hoping the Bears get it right this time.......
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 01, 2015, 02:10:20 pm
I honestly do not want a candidate from a losing program or one that has gone nowhere. I want one from a program that has had success. Why exchange mediocre for mediocre???
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 01, 2015, 08:36:08 pm
NEW YORK JETS: Forced 13 turnovers, which, like their stadium-mates, was the worst in 2014 and team history. The previous record low was 15, set by last year's team. In every other Jets season -- including those with less than 16 games -- the team has finished with at least 20 takeaways. Look at how strange 2013 and 2014 look against the last 31 years, like a once-valuable stock suddenly rendered worthless.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on January 02, 2015, 03:52:49 pm
Buffalo plans to interview Bevell, Gase, McDaniels, and Quinn.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 02, 2015, 09:33:07 pm
Andrew from Dubuque, IA

Vic, what’s your opinion on Jameis Winston and how his talent, and everything that comes with it, translates to the NFL? Would you draft him?

He’s a talent of extreme proportions. He can make all of the throws and his arm strength is off the charts, and he has some touch, too. I like his skill set better than Marcus Mariota’s because Winston seems to be more comfortable at setting his feet in the pocket and driving the ball, but the character concerns and wildness of Winston’s game would make it nearly impossible for me to spend a top-five pick on him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 02, 2015, 09:35:28 pm
Bill from Brooklyn Park, MN

Wisconsin, Michigan State and Ohio State: After enduring the verbal belittling of the conference all season, it was great to be a Big Ten fan on Thursday.

Conference pride is a strange phenomenon. Wisconsin fans find themselves rooting for a team that savagely ran up the score on them just a few weeks ago. I don’t get it, but there’s no doubting it’s real.

Not so much in the NFL, though.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2015, 11:28:54 am
Mike Shanahan’s name surfaces as a Bills head-coaching candidate

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 3, 2015, 11:40 AM EST

shanahan
AP

Add Mike Shanahan to the list of potential Buffalo Bills head coaches.

The Bills have been in contact with Shanahan and hope to set up an interview with him, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports.

Shanahan has said he’s interested in getting back into coaching but only wants to do it in a place where he can win right away. Buffalo may fit that bill, as the Bills went 9-7 last season and have one of the NFL’s best defenses.

The only question is at quarterback, where the Bills have a major hole. That’s where the intriguing possibility of the Bills acquiring Jay Cutler from the Bears comes in. The Bears’ new coach and general manager will presumably want to unload the enormous guaranteed 2015 salary the prior regime gave Cutler, and Shanahan’s history with Cutler in Denver could make him one of the few coaches who would want to take on that contract.

So, while things did not go well for Shanahan at the end of his tenure in Washington, it’s not farfetched to think things could go better for him in Buffalo.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on January 03, 2015, 01:05:10 pm
Hmmmm, that would be interesting.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2015, 06:55:17 pm
We should definitely be rooting for the Cowboys tomorrow.  If the Lions win the Panthers go to Green Bay.  Easy win for the Packers.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 03, 2015, 07:13:09 pm
Yep, Go Boys! Gotta good feeling they'll win this game... Detoilet is ...well, Detoilet...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2015, 07:14:16 pm
I could see the Cowboys knocking both Green Bay and Detroit out of it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2015, 08:15:55 pm
GO RAVENS!!!

I know way to many smug Steelers fans.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 03, 2015, 08:44:37 pm
Don't care to even watch it.....sick of not being in it. Hope to hell we get a coach and GM that knows what they're doing and can get us back in it. Tired of it....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 03, 2015, 08:48:53 pm
After watching the Arizona/ Carolina game I am getting sick of football period. Too damn many flags and blown calls. I don't even know what is or isn't pass interference anymore.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: JBN on January 03, 2015, 10:16:33 pm
Wildcard games are usually some of the better ones.

Until today. These games sucked.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 03, 2015, 10:18:34 pm
Oh look, the Steelers and Ravens, again.....I'd love to see some other teams make it for a change.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 03, 2015, 10:24:06 pm
Like to see the Goddamn Bears make it for a change. Hell, even Jauron got'em there once.  See where the hiring pattern is repeating itself.....no hope if this goes on.  Ginny has to "like"  you. And to "like" you, she has to "know" you.  21st century football team run by a 91 year old woman.  Sure. why the hell not.  I told the board, I told you, she had somebody on speedial. 73 year old Ernie.  Of course.  Jesus, its like the people that really run China.  You better be over 70, or no go.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 03, 2015, 10:32:07 pm
Yeah.... Really stupid to get input from somebody with a lot if experience in this league. I swear there is no pleasing some of you guys.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 03, 2015, 10:34:49 pm
  See where the hiring pattern is repeating itself

They cant hide it. Hard to get the fan base excited isn't it? Like I said old habits are hard to break.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 03, 2015, 10:38:35 pm
Are you kidding? They have already broken old habits. Are you forgetting that they are eating the remaining contracts of the GM and the coaching staff. Is that the old pattern? I don't think so. You asked for some input from an experienced pro and they hired one.  Give them a chance.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 03, 2015, 10:39:58 pm
The game has changed. And no, I'm not happy. About anything.  Your right. why shoud I be? 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 03, 2015, 10:43:07 pm
So if you don't want them going it alone and a 70 year old is too old (Polian is over 70 too btw) who would you suggest they get input from?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2015, 10:46:50 pm
My choice would have been Polian (who really was not an option because he was doing it for the Bills)  Holmgren or Parcells.   Accorsi was never a guy I even considered but he is better then no one.  Certainly better then a consulting firm like last time...

Right now no one really knows what is happening behind the scenes which is frustrating.  Was the Haugh article about Ballard and Toub him just guessing or was he floating an idea to the public for the McCaskeys to gauge our interest?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 03, 2015, 11:01:07 pm
I don't put stock into anything the writers are saying at this point. None if them really know what is going on but they have to write something and bad news sells more papers than good.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 03, 2015, 11:10:12 pm
And chasing coordinators for HC and hiring GMs without GM experience isn't the same old crap?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 03, 2015, 11:16:16 pm
Ozzie Newsome.  Still in the game, adjusts, moves on. Smart,smart man. btw, his team won on the road, in the playoffs. again.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2015, 11:21:55 pm
If only he was retired and could of been a consultant.  No way was he an option.

In fact his second DeCosta is still refusing to interview with other teams because they keep handing him bags of money to stay until Newsome retires.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 03, 2015, 11:24:39 pm
Just pick up the phone and ask.  What threat are the Bears?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 03, 2015, 11:38:53 pm
I find it sad that they have to have a consultant of any type.  You would think being in the business all these years they would be capable to pick an intelligent football guy on their own... 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 03, 2015, 11:53:37 pm
Point. But given past history, they can't.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 04, 2015, 12:33:07 am
We have success, we then start losing coaches. Other teams have success, they keep theirs. W T F....DeCosta should be fair game as should the Packers D coord. It's bs.....it really is...Rivera we had for a short time, he did great, he gets a coaching job. The next group of people we have success with, if ever, should be off limits for ten damn years. It's about time we have some continuing success! We've had crap since 85'....one year in the SB and it was a laughingstock...enough!!!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 04, 2015, 12:35:45 am
The fans are rightly skeptical of anything this organization does and until they get their heads out their ...... and prove they made the right choice on the field, the skepticism will continue. We've had far too many keystone kops krap out of this team.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 04, 2015, 12:37:59 am
Lovie **** canned Rivera.  He went to another team as a DC before being hired as a HC. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 04, 2015, 12:55:20 am
Ndamukong Suh's Suspension Overturned After Appeal, Will Play vs. Cowboys

 By Tyler Conway , Featured Columnist  Dec 30, 2014

Fact is that it Suh's head that is numb instead of his feet.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 04, 2015, 01:09:00 am
We have success, we then start losing coaches. Other teams have success, they keep theirs. W T F....DeCosta should be fair game as should the Packers D coord. It's bs.....it really is...Rivera we had for a short time, he did great, he gets a coaching job. The next group of people we have success with, if ever, should be off limits for ten damn years. It's about time we have some continuing success! We've had crap since 85'....one year in the SB and it was a laughingstock...enough!!!

The Packers lost their OC, Joe Philbin, to Miami as HC.  DC Dom Capers has already had his shot at HC and flunked.  Mariucci was also grabbed away, along with a couple of other coordinators.

The Packers also lost three other staff members to other teams as GMs.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 04, 2015, 06:31:12 am
Pete Carroll flunked in the NFL as well and came back to HC and is having success with Seattle, so that's no excuse. Steve Mariucci is all the way back to 95'! I'm talking recent century. And Philbin was with the Pack from 03' to 11', that's a long tenure! 9 years! Rivera was the Bears DC for three short years!! Capers is on his sixth season with the Packers. It's no wonder some teams have success and others can't get any continuity going....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 04, 2015, 04:15:38 pm
The Loins up 14 zip on the Boys? In their house?!? WTH!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 04, 2015, 05:51:30 pm
20-14 Cowgirls now
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: guest77 on January 04, 2015, 06:17:29 pm
Wow, Lions got jobbed on that PI call.  Refs treating them like the Bears.  Karma is a **** I guess.  That call could be a game changer.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: stelz on January 04, 2015, 06:33:32 pm
Lions completely getting **** over by the officials in this game.  No reason to pick up that PI flag....none whatsoever.  I've never seen a worse call or non call....I'm glad I'm not a Lions fan today
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Dave23 on January 04, 2015, 06:48:31 pm
Well, guess I will be a cowboys fan for the first time ever next weekend...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: stelz on January 04, 2015, 07:03:40 pm
The Bears may have been **** over by the refs, in a playoff game, in 1979 in Philadelphia. The refs called back a long TD run by Walter Payton on an illegal procedure by Brian Baschnesgel, that May or may not have happened.  I have  copy of that game on tape and you sure can't see anything.  The Bears coach, Neil Armstrong, after the game said that they  had been robbed and I think got in trouble.

On the other hand, supposedly we were screwed in Green Bay in the Majikowski "is he or is he not over the line of scrimmage" game that prompted Mike Ditka to have an asterisk placed beside the Bears' record for that year in the press book.  I have that game on tape too, and the refs clearly got that one right.  No question....

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on January 04, 2015, 07:08:55 pm
Yes I will be a Cowgirl fan next week against the Pack
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 04, 2015, 07:10:29 pm
yeah, I was rooting for DET today, will root for Dallas next week.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 04, 2015, 07:42:26 pm
Lions completely getting **** over by the officials in this game.  No reason to pick up that PI flag....none whatsoever.  I've never seen a worse call or non call....I'm glad I'm not a Lions fan today

The NFL officials reached a new low point in today's Lions-Cowboys' game.  Makes it look as though they just threw Jerry (the jerk) Jones a juicy bone.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 05, 2015, 09:41:36 am
Talk about not needing any distractions while going to play the #1 seed in the playoffs...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12122108/fightfighters-battle-blaze-home-carolina-panthers-coach-ron-rivera

Ron Rivera's house burned down last night with him and his family in it.  Everyone made it out safe but still.  There is not good time for your house to burn down but this is an especially sucky time for him!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 05, 2015, 07:19:28 pm


Blandino: Cowboys party bus incident has no bearing on calls

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 5, 2015, 4:14 PM EST

Blandino
Getty Images

An old story about NFL head of officiating Dean Blandino hanging out on the party bus owned by the Cowboys has resurfaced in the last 24 hours after the Cowboys benefitted from what Blandino admits was a missed call in Sunday’s win over the Lions.

But Blandino says one has nothing to do with the other.


BS.   Shake up NFL leadership.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 05, 2015, 08:07:49 pm
Report: Bucs interview Marc Trestman for coordinator job

Posted by Mike Wilkening on January 5, 2015, 7:59 PM EST

Lovie Smith, Marc Trestman
AP

The Buccaneers have reportedly interviewed a recently dismissed NFL head coach for their offensive coordinator role.

Via Ian Rapoport of NFL Media, the Bucs have talked to ex-Bears head coach Marc Trestman about the coordinator position.

Trestman, of course, replaced now-Buccaneers head coach Lovie Smith as Chicago’s head coach in 2013. The Bears were 13-19 in Trestman’s two seasons. However, Trestman’s offensive acumen is well-known, and current Buccaneers quarterback Josh McCown had his best year with Trestman in 2013.

Trestman and McCown were recently seen together in Florida, according to a picture posted by a Twitter user and picked up by media outlets, including CSNChicago.com.

The Buccaneers hired Jeff Tedford to call plays last season, but he missed most of the regular season after having a heart procedure, and the two sides parted ways in December. Without Tedford, QBs coach Marcus Arroyo filled in as offensive coordinator.

The Buccaneers hold the No. 1 pick in the 2015 NFL Draft. They are candidates to consider a quarterback early in the draft, and perhaps right off the bat.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 05, 2015, 08:08:10 pm
If these two win a Super Bowl together I will be sick!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 05, 2015, 08:09:59 pm
Playoff schedule | 2015 NFL

Packers DC Dom Capers can't recall anything like Cowboys-Lions penalty fiasco



By  Rob Demovsky | ESPN.com

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Dom Capers has been around the NFL longer than anyone on the Green Bay Packers coaching staff -- he's old enough to remember watching the Ice Bowl on TV -- and the 64-year-old said he has never seen anything quite like the pass interference-non pass interference call near the end of Sunday's NFC wild-card game between the Dallas Cowboys and the
green Bay Packers.

"Being a defensive coach, I'm used to seeing those flags fly," said Capers, who is in his 29th NFL season and his sixth as the Packers' defensive coordinator. "It's rare that you see one fly and have it picked up."

Even more rare was that the pass interference call against the Cowboys was recanted after referee Pete Morelli announced it.

"I don't know if I have [ever seen that]," Capers said Monday...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 05, 2015, 08:15:08 pm
It never should have been a penalty, imo. However they threw the flag and then to pick it up and say never mind just looks really bad.   
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 05, 2015, 08:23:18 pm
http://www.espnwisconsin.com/common/page.php?feed=2&id=18631&is_corp=1

Peppers on 2015 return to GB.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 06, 2015, 04:50:22 am
It never should have been a penalty, imo. However they threw the flag and then to pick it up and say never mind just looks really bad.   

And as the article, says to make the call and announce it, then to retract it made it look horrible.  And then Bryant running out there with his helmet off?  That is the very call that rule is in place to prevent.  I thought the same thing.  Why is that idiot out there arguing the call and he also dpesn't have his helmet on.  Could have been a number of flags on just that alone.

But I can't recall a penalty ever being called and announced.  And then the huddle up and then the reversal.  Pretty bad.

I read somewhere, they make the coaches and the players available for questions after the game.  Why not the officials?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 06, 2015, 11:59:38 am

It was a crew made up of all-star referees that had not worked together all year so the communication problem among them could be expected.  The guy making the call was the guy that had the best view.

The director of the league commented on the call afterward and agreed that a penalty should have been called....holding not PI.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 06, 2015, 12:31:49 pm
And don't forget the 15 yard penalty on Bryant for coming off the bench and arguing the call without a helmet.

That was the whole point behind creating the rule.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 06, 2015, 12:36:14 pm
So in reality it should have been DPI enforced at the Dallas 31 for the original call and then 15 yards unsportsmanlike for coming off the sidelines without a helmet to argue a call.

Detroit 1st and 10 from the Dallas 16 yard line.

All these Cowboy fans keep saying that it had no effect on the outcome of the game because Detroit had the chance to hold them and then a chance to score themselves.  The officials totally screwed Detroit, and I don't like the Lions or Cowboys.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 06, 2015, 12:40:31 pm
If that drive had continued even if it resulted in only a FG they would have run at least 2-3 more minutes off the clock.  That is assuming they didn't pick up any more first downs in the attempt to score.

Had they picked up a couple of first downs and been able to make Dallas use some time outs or run off some more clock it is a different game altogether.

Had they picked up a couple of fist down and scored a TD Dallas would have been down two scores.

I just wish Dallas and it's fans would just admit that they were handed a gift game and didn't earn it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on January 06, 2015, 12:53:35 pm
Don't forget the overturned suspension of Suh, that had a hand in the game as well....think we're on equal footing if you count both of those deals...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: VJ on January 06, 2015, 02:04:54 pm
Scot McCloughan is Redskins new GM.  A retread but a damn good hire.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on January 06, 2015, 02:34:14 pm
Isnt he the guy who was a phenom at talent evaluation but had serious alchohol problems?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 06, 2015, 02:36:16 pm
The explaination on Suh was that it was considered his first offense because of some change in the conduct policy last offseason.  Something like if you haven't had a personal conduct infraction after 32 games it will be considered your first offense.

If that was the rule and it was his 33 game as explained then it was considered his first offense and the suspension was uncalled for as the arbitrator said.  I didn't like it but it was applied fairly in the case.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 06, 2015, 02:49:57 pm

Let's hope the Lions don't tag him and he ends up with the Jags, Jets, Browns, or Raiders.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on January 06, 2015, 04:42:01 pm
One of the NFL head officials was on NFLN and said that the back judge threw the flag but didn't have the best view that the other ref had the best view and did not throw the flag.

He did say that the defensive holding should have been called, 5yd auto 1st down.
He said the player running onto the field with no helmet is  judgement call. If he had actually been involved in the play and took his helmet off that would have been different.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 06, 2015, 06:09:30 pm

I'm glad the Lions lost...now I get to watch my 2nd favorite teams beat the Packers.

I'm used to doing this since the early 70s...watching the Cowboys in the playoffs after the Bears get eliminated in week 10.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 06, 2015, 06:11:40 pm
I just wish Dallas and it's fans would just admit that they were handed a gift game and didn't earn it.

Cowboys earned it...several big plays on their final TD drive.  The 2 Stafford fumbles on the Lions final drive. 

No doubt the call helped the Cowboys but it alone did not win the game for them.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on January 06, 2015, 07:07:22 pm
I agree with that... Though, I expect they'll get spanked this weekend..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 06, 2015, 07:15:10 pm

You may be right - Packers are 7 point favorites.

Interesting note is that the Pack is 8-0 at home.  Cowboys are 8-0 on the road.

The Cowboys have a ton of talent on offense and I have no idea how they are doing what they are doing on defense with a bunch of free agent types.  They don't even have Henry Melton as he went on IR after the last reg season game.

Marinelli is doing some kind of job with those guys.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 06, 2015, 07:28:37 pm
My humble guess is that the Pack will go heavy on the running game against a DL that is doubtful, dallas.

I hope that the officials do a better job than they did last weekend.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 06, 2015, 07:41:48 pm
NFL morning after: The NFL has a problem

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 5, 2015, 6:52 AM EST

morelli
AP

The NFL has a problem on its hands. That problem was magnified on Sunday when a terrible call went against the Lions in a crucial moment in their playoff loss to the Cowboys. But that problem goes far beyond one play or one game.

The problem in the NFL is that too many officials are bad at their jobs, the rulebook is overly complex, and the league office stands by and does nothing about it...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 06, 2015, 07:42:52 pm
NFL admits refs missed Cowboys holding Suh on crucial play

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 6, 2015, 3:54 PM EST

suh
AP

The infamous pass interference pickup wasn’t the only missed call that went against the Lions in Sunday’s loss to the Cowboys.

The NFL has also admitted that the crucial fourth-and-6 conversion the Cowboys picked up on the way toward their game-winning touchdown was aided by an uncalled holding infraction. According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the NFL admitted to the Lions today that Ndamukong Suh was held on the play, on which Tony Romo completed a 21-yard pass to Jason Witten...

Bye, bye commissioner.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 06, 2015, 07:48:52 pm

Ed Werder        ✔   @Edwerderespn 
Follow
Aaron Rodgers says the calf injury he suffered against the Lions is in a different location than that he suffered against Bucs last week.Probably where Suh stood.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 06, 2015, 07:51:05 pm

I have no idea why the NFL is bringing up some missed holding call on Suh.  You could call holding on just about any play in the NFL...every running play every pass play.  Same is about true with pass interference and defensive holding. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 06, 2015, 07:57:39 pm
My humble guess is that the Pack will go heavy on the running game against a DL that is doubtful, dallas.

Oh yeah, the Pack is going to tell Rodgers to just hand the ball off the whole game.  Get real...Rodgers is arguably the best QB - the ball will be in his hands early and often.

The Pack concern is not with their offense anyway...it's with their defense stopping the Cowboys.  Maybe the cold will help them slow down the Cowboys offense but Murray is an absolute beast of a HB and the Cowboys O-line will give Romo plenty of time against the packers rush.   Terrence Williams hand is better and he proved it last Sunday.  Him, Dez Bryant, Witten, and the midget Beasley - lots of options.

Could be a high scoring affair which means the score really end up 19-13!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 06, 2015, 08:36:10 pm
Packers' Defensive Improvement in 2014
First 8 Games   Last 8 Games
Yards allowed/game   379.2 (25th)   313.5 (7th)
Rush yards allowed   153.5 (32nd)   86.4 (5th)
Rush average allowed   4.8 (29th)   3.6 (6th)
Pass yards allowed   225.8 (9th)   227.1 (13th)
Sack percentage   6.5 (15th)   8.0 (T13th)
Points allowed   23.9 (19th)   19.6 (T10th)
Source: ESPN Stats & Information

New stats, dallas.  Not so bad at #10.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 07, 2015, 05:33:48 am
I wonder how much the bitter cold will affect the offenses?  If it favors a more run heavy offense, it could be a toss up
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 07, 2015, 06:04:39 am
First team to hire a GM and no one even knew they were in the market for one....

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 07, 2015, 08:51:15 pm
According to Mark Maske of the Washington Post, the Fritz Pollard Alliance has filed a complaint over the interview of Graves, a minority candidate who allowed Washington comply with the Rooney Rule before the team hired Scot McCloughan.  (The hiring is still not official.)

“We feel this was not a mistake,” Fritz Pollard Alliance Executive Director John Wooten said, via Maske.  “We feel this was intentional.  That’s why we sent a complaint to the league.  They did not file their request [to interview Graves] with the league.  They did get permission from the Jets.  But they’re supposed to file their request with the league.  That’s how we can monitor what’s going on...”

More whimpering and whining from NFL personnel.  Becoming stifling in political correctness.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on January 08, 2015, 08:10:01 am
NFL admits refs missed Cowboys holding Suh on crucial play

Missed holding calls happen all the time..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on January 08, 2015, 08:58:43 am
Wish they'd admit how much money was won on the calls they made - or failed to make...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on January 08, 2015, 11:10:37 am
First off, I think there should be the whole ref crews that work these playoff games, not mix matched. I also understand that these guys are human and do make mistakes, but there needs to be someway that there is accountability...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on January 08, 2015, 11:24:05 am
Quote
First off, I think there should be the whole ref crews that work these playoff games, not mix matched.

Some are not eligible for playoff work.  You have to have so much time in the league to qualify as a playoff ref.  That is why they do not assign whole crews to playoff games.

Let's face it.  If that was a whole crew that was together for the year and the ref that blew the call was a year one rookie, people would be complaining that a ref with 15 years experience was at home watchin on TV because his crew wasn't working that week.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on January 08, 2015, 01:20:04 pm

OK, why all the focus on Rodgers calf?  Are there not enough other angles on this game?  When did he injure it - he didn't play last week?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 08, 2015, 07:56:27 pm
Bucs hire their OC. It's not Trestman.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2015, 04:42:50 pm
Tom Brady is such a little ****.  He is throwing a fit and crying to the refs over getting hit.  All completely legal hits by the way.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 10, 2015, 05:08:16 pm
hey! Its TOM BRADY. ok? He's simply too **** cool for the universe. All calls to Tom. All.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2015, 05:10:57 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/10/dick-lebeau-not-returning-to-the-steelers/

Hmmm, I hope the Bears take a look.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 10, 2015, 05:12:21 pm
'Course, didn't help him when he **** up and tossed an int. which led to a td for the Ravens. At home. Ouch.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2015, 05:13:05 pm
Yep.  GO RAVENS!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2015, 06:08:42 pm
Great play call on that WR screen then throw down field for a TD.  Dink, dunk then that.  Perfect.

Still want the Ravens to win though.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on January 10, 2015, 06:24:56 pm
meh. ain't the bears. hard for me to care. great football though. to bad it's not at soldier.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2015, 06:45:54 pm
Yes it is.  A good game between two good teams and good coaches.

Hopefully the Bears are there soon.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2015, 06:54:39 pm
This one is going down to the wire.  Great game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Keysbear on January 10, 2015, 07:00:36 pm
Well, if Kubiak made that stupid play call I hope we scratch him from our potential HC list.
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Post by: Pekin on January 10, 2015, 07:27:04 pm
I am torn here.

I prefer the Panthers over the Seahawks but know the Seahawks will probably beat the Packers if they get by the Cowboys.
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Post by: dallasbear on January 11, 2015, 03:04:00 am

Me too.

The idea of the Panthers going to Lambeau next week doesn't sit well.  Still can't stand a lot of the Seahawk players.
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Post by: navigator on January 11, 2015, 07:56:57 am
Saw last night that Rex is going for a second interview with the Bills and wants Trestman as his OC.
They might make a good pair.
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Post by: chifaninva on January 11, 2015, 09:42:30 am
It's all but a done deal that Rex is going to the Bills.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 11, 2015, 10:18:46 am
If Rex wants Trestman as his OC he better insist that he run the ball more. Throwing the ball 40 times a game in Buffalo weather is not a recipe for success. Yes, Jim Kelly threw but he also had a good running game with Thurman Thomas.
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Post by: chifaninva on January 11, 2015, 11:39:46 am
I agree. Though, in Trestman's defense, our run game wasn't all that. And as we have all talked about, playing from behind doesn't help..

I'm on the fence in regards to Rex. I like him, but just not convinced he's the man for the head coaching position. I do think Buffalo's a good fit for Rex...
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Post by: 46 on January 11, 2015, 06:37:47 pm
looks like it all blew up in Denver. Aggg. Manning couldn't put the ball downfield.  And, surprise, a football team got screwed by a call and no calls all day in the tolietpaper capital of the world. huh. go figure.
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Post by: Sportster on January 11, 2015, 07:07:25 pm
Wonder if Manning will retire. He had everything he wanted around him, they brought in what was needed and they still couldn't get it done. Manning was off on his throws a lot of the game. His deep throws were terrible! That being said, the Colts will go to Patsy land and get pasted and it'll be Seattle-Pasties SB. GB's gonna get their panties handed to em....
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Post by: Pekin on January 11, 2015, 08:17:49 pm
I think part way through the season Manning blew something out in his throwing arm.  They went from passing first to running all the time.  His throws went from ok to wobbly ass ducks.

I think he is done and will retire after the season.
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Post by: 46 on January 11, 2015, 08:22:06 pm
Too bad if so.  Class act, hope they can patch up what's broken.  That said, the Broncos spend litterally hundreds of millions for Manning and that defense, and that offense, and they've won exactly..... let's see, carry your two... one more playoff game than Tim Tebow did. Hrm.
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Post by: Pekin on January 11, 2015, 08:25:49 pm
Manning was my starting QB in fantasy football in two leagues.  Trust me something is wrong with his arm.  In fact in his interview before the play off game he said things had changed since last time he said he was coming back for another year.  He has no strength in his throwing arm anymore. 

Unless something can be done to fix it he will retire.  He can't throw anymore.

Plus he is going to make 19 million next year.  Would you pay a QB that who can't throw?
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Post by: otto105 on January 11, 2015, 08:30:07 pm
The bears paid 22.5million to one this year.
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Post by: Pekin on January 11, 2015, 08:39:59 pm
Cutler can throw.  Not always to the right team but he can throw it!  :)

Cutlers contract was front loaded.  After this next year his contract is very reasonable.
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Post by: navigator on January 12, 2015, 06:17:39 am
the bad part is Manning overthrew 3 guys last night streaking down the field. If he connects on 1-2 of those, it is a different ballgame.

Too bad I passed up Luck in FFL for Richardson, I knew he would be a star.
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Post by: BearHit on January 12, 2015, 08:17:50 am
And Richardson was a healthy scratch for yesterday's game - wow - Pack your bags young man
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Post by: davebear on January 12, 2015, 09:32:28 am
The Colts are a good example of why many fans on this board need to change their thinking.

Many here think if you blow a first round draft pick, or don't pick high enough you're doomed for years.

Colts traded a first rounder for Trent Richardson two years ago for no return on investment and it has been barely a bump in the road for them

There are other ways to build a roster than first round draft picks
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Post by: VJ on January 12, 2015, 09:42:20 am
Well having a franchise QB definitely increases the margin for errors like the stupid trade.  Grigson has drafted well (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2286325-indianapolis-colts-2014-draft-class-is-shining-for-ryan-grigson) too.
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Post by: dallasbear on January 12, 2015, 09:47:43 am

It's all about the QB!
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Post by: davebear on January 12, 2015, 10:10:36 am
They played some pretty good defense yesterday.

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Post by: navigator on January 12, 2015, 01:43:24 pm
If they had missed on Luck, they wouldn't be looking so good.
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Post by: davebear on January 12, 2015, 02:01:35 pm
great!  Then we just need to draft 7quarterbacks.
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Post by: Sportster on January 12, 2015, 02:03:05 pm
We should probably draft a QB each draft. The Packers kept hunting till they finally caught on with Rodgers. We need to keep looking as well. There is no player as important as that QB.....
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Post by: BearHit on January 12, 2015, 02:33:55 pm
That Garrapalo kid looked impressive for the Patriots when Brady took a seat - Can't believe they were seriously seeking Fales from the PS
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2015, 02:48:34 pm
Good point. Maybe Fales is better than we thought. Maybe we should draft one this year, just not one of the top two. Therefore it behoves the Bears to be examining all the QBs at the Senior Bowl. Maybe our genius GM will be able to pluck a gem out of the draft. My point is whether we keep Cutler for the duration of his contract or jettison him we need to have options whether we play him, trade him or cut him. We need to start looking now. The future starts today.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 12, 2015, 02:55:01 pm
Maybe our genius GM will be able to pluck a gem out of the draft.

Why the diss? Give the guy a chance
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2015, 03:02:36 pm
I think you read more attitude into the post than I intended. I think he is a smart guy.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 12, 2015, 03:07:01 pm
sorry...I'm so used to sarcasm here I just assumed...my bad
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2015, 03:38:33 pm
Thank you for the apology. Some rubbish like Jes would never apologize. I appreciate the apology.
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Post by: dallasbear on January 12, 2015, 03:52:11 pm

Ever see the movie Draft Day...hope the other GMs don't school our kid-GM.

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Post by: packrat on January 12, 2015, 08:36:05 pm
We should probably draft a QB each draft. The Packers kept hunting till they finally caught on with Rodgers. We need to keep looking as well. There is no player as important as that QB.....

Exactly right.  Draft at least two every year.  They should be 5-6-7 rounders and/or UDFA to avoid wasting a lot of money.  There have been some low rounders that have done well.
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Post by: packrat on January 12, 2015, 08:53:32 pm
(http://whateverblog.dallasnews.com/files/2015/01/10899434_1535896790021164_1729063528_n.jpg)
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Post by: packrat on January 12, 2015, 09:06:07 pm
http://whateverblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/the-30-funniest-memes-from-cowboys-loss-internet-explodes-over-dez-bryant.html/

Dallas newspaper humor.
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Post by: wmljohn on January 13, 2015, 09:52:22 am
John Fox launched and not one mention on this board?

Didn't take our new GM long to set up an interview.  He will be in today.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 13, 2015, 10:25:52 pm



 
John Fox launched and not one mention on this board?

Didn't take our new GM long to set up an interview.  He will be in today.


 Still from the McCaskys the NFC South fascination ... ?


 Does anybody think it will work this time ?
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Post by: Sportster on January 13, 2015, 10:44:46 pm
Not one mention?? Check the other parts of the board. We were talking about that yesterday.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 13, 2015, 11:27:54 pm



 You all better be right about this scene as we go into ROUND TWO of the NFC South running our beloved BEARS.


 I hope that Pace and Fox work out ... but Iv'e been down this southern dirt road before.
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Post by: VJ on January 14, 2015, 07:54:07 am
Interesting SI article (http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/07/john-elway-denver-broncos) on Elway last week which sheds some light as to why Elway canned Fox. 
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Post by: packrat on January 14, 2015, 07:00:36 pm
Lifelong egotism.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 15, 2015, 03:19:07 am



 
Lifelong egotism.


 That or looking forward that Manning is done.
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Post by: packrat on January 15, 2015, 11:32:13 pm

By Evan "Tex" Western  @TexWestern  on Jan 15 2015, 11:1

Ron Chenoy-USA TODAY Sport

The Bears have picked their next head coach, and he's likely to have far more success than their last one did.


(https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/w9nG1YnIzKATxhri3hXPoc3WmI0=/0x0:4245x2830/783x522/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/45223300/usa-today-5804198.0.jpg)

Good luck to Bear fans!  I think that you will do well.
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Post by: VJ on January 16, 2015, 10:02:53 am
The Walsh coaching tree, hard to escape for most teams

(http://thebffl.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/image001.jpg)
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 18, 2015, 03:45:14 am



 Excellent VJ!
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 18, 2015, 06:58:46 am



Somewhere out there , there's a MIKE DITKA family tree.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 19, 2015, 08:11:42 am
More Patriots cheating?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-nfl-probing-ne-for-deflating-balls/ar-AA8kOM9
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Post by: guest118 on January 19, 2015, 12:48:16 pm
Keys - is that possible. I thought NFL ket guard on the footsballs after all the "tinkering" that was going on in the 50's, 60's, 70's.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 19, 2015, 01:36:33 pm
I have no idea if it's even possible. Thrown out there for discussion purposes only.
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Post by: BearHit on January 20, 2015, 08:08:07 am
I'd like to see them swapped out with nerf footballs for the Pro-Bowl
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Post by: navigator on January 20, 2015, 08:23:11 am
And flags, they need flags around their waist.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 20, 2015, 08:26:22 am
Actually the pro bowl would be a lot more fun to watch if it was just a flag football exhibition and just letting the guys have some fun in a relaxed atmosphere. Kind of like the old Battle of the network stars thing. Pretending it's a real game is just silly.
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Post by: navigator on January 20, 2015, 08:30:46 am
They pick teams on Wed and play on Sunday, they sure don't get a lot of time to prepare. I saw one Rb dropped out and they snubbed Forte again for Alfred Morris.
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Post by: boogie on January 20, 2015, 08:37:40 am
That's ok, let it motivate Forte, and help keep him healthy for next year.
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Post by: stelz on January 20, 2015, 01:54:15 pm
I may be in the minority here, and I know his numbers added up to impressive totals, but I don't think Forte was all that great last year.  We all know this, and it continued to be true this past year, he just can't  (and didn't) get tough yards.  Many of his yards were gained on eight yard dump offs on third and 12.  Plus it seemed his pass protection deteriorated.  There weren't many difference makers on that team last year and he wasn't one of them.
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Post by: stelz on January 20, 2015, 02:32:05 pm
Trestman new OC for Ravens....
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Post by: Sportster on January 20, 2015, 02:47:22 pm
Ha!...that's a joke, right?....
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Post by: stelz on January 20, 2015, 02:53:11 pm
No, Trestman to Ravens, being reported (and widely mocked) on WSCR right now...
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Post by: boogie on January 20, 2015, 02:56:51 pm
I wonder how Joe Flacco feels about the QB whisperer.  LOL
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Post by: Bears4Ever on January 20, 2015, 02:59:54 pm
Wow... I mean just... Wow......

I Don't hate the man and maybe that's his level (OC), but to go from Kubiak to Trestman..

I mean WOW.....
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Post by: boogie on January 20, 2015, 03:03:38 pm
Who cares about Trestman, we got Vic Freakin' Fangio.  Still cant get over that one.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 20, 2015, 03:07:14 pm
Until Fangio is signed, sealed and delivered there is a chance he bolts
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 20, 2015, 03:31:33 pm
Stelz - I almost floated that idea out there about a week ago.  Brandon Marshall and Cutler have little trade value due to their personalities or performance.  Are we in position to compete for the Superbowl, realistically?  I think Forte is the big piece for a team like the Colts or Ravens or even the Patriots.  Seattle may be losing Marshawn Lynch.  Forte is approaching that magic age, but has had few injuries.

Is it blasphemy to consider trading Forte for draft choices?  I think he has probably 4 years max left, would be interested to hear what others think.

We need young talent and we need a lot of it.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 20, 2015, 03:44:54 pm
I have no problem selling high...
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 20, 2015, 03:45:37 pm
Would Marshawn Lynch be an upgrade over Forte? Duh! Dream on dream on teenage queen. I think unless you got a 3rd for Forte I'd keep him. Just guessing I'd say Lynch would cost us more than what we are paying Forte. Furthermore Kadeem doesn't have breakaway speed. I don't like the idea of replacing Forte with a back not his equal.
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Post by: Dave23 on January 20, 2015, 03:50:18 pm
Two players had more yards from scrimmage than Forte in 2014: DeMarco Murray and Leveon Bell.

We're not getting either of them.
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Post by: stelz on January 20, 2015, 03:51:15 pm
Grizz, I don't think there is a guy on the roster that you wouldn't trade if you thought that what you were getting in return would make the Bears better....there is so little young talent.  I don't know what Forte would bring, but if they could get a decent pick or two...
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 20, 2015, 03:57:00 pm
I think you might get a 3rd for Forte, but you'd wind up spending that 3rd for his replacement. I think the greater need is to improve that OLine and Forte's production goes upward.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 20, 2015, 04:27:12 pm
But his replacement would have a longer shelf-life.  If we are in a rebuild a 30 year old back has little value to us but much more to a contender.
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Post by: Pekin on January 20, 2015, 04:51:06 pm
Rebuilds in the NFL do not take very long if done right. 

The Bears should be competitive this coming year.  I doubt play offs but they should be close like 8-8 or 9-7.

They should be in the play offs the following year.  That is if they don't go throwing away good players for mediocre draft picks.
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Post by: stelz on January 20, 2015, 05:06:50 pm
It's critical that the new GM drafts better guys than the previous two.  He needs to channel his inner Jim Finks...
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 21, 2015, 12:45:12 am
Two players had more yards from scrimmage than Forte in 2014: DeMarco Murray and Leveon Bell.

We're not getting either of them.


 How did those teams PLAY DeMarco Murry & Leveon Bell ??


 They put them to work with a passing game.


 Everybody knows Murry was oft injured for Dallas until the past season.
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Post by: navigator on January 22, 2015, 09:05:38 am
Bill Belichek just gave a presser about the deflated balls on NFLN.
I found it most interesting that in the back ground was Gillette "Flexball" all over the billboard.
Flexball, flatball, same thing :-).

he said he really knew nothing about the game ball process prior to this week, that they practice with the worst balls you can create during practice so the weather during a game has as little impact on the ball to their team as possible. If the guys complain about the balls during practice he makes them worse. He did say he found out they usually inflate balls to the minimum of 12.5 psi so any deflation would make them under inflated. He said they would change that process but he doesn't even know what his specialists like in footballs.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 22, 2015, 09:10:09 am
I am sure the NFL will give him some OJT along with a fine.
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Post by: chifaninva on January 22, 2015, 10:59:25 am
I haven't heard of any proof..
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 22, 2015, 11:37:31 am
The proof? Before the game the refs are to check the balls for inflation. If during the game the balls are shown to be underinflated then what other proof is needed? Somebody is coming along afterwards (ball boys?) and deflating them. This is a serious issue. This is about the integrity of the game. Somebody is going to swing for this. Hang them high. And for Belechick to say he doesn't know anything about this? Come on here now. I would believe there is a man in the moon who eats green cheese first before Belechick. And he has already been fined 500K before for "spygate".
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Post by: method on January 22, 2015, 11:45:40 am
Cheese on the moon does not turn green. so the man on the moon isNT eating green cheese
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Post by: navigator on January 22, 2015, 12:36:05 pm
If the balls were warm when inflated, the will lose pressure if used in a cold environment.
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Post by: stelz on January 22, 2015, 12:38:18 pm
Now that the NFL is fully aware that this is a possible point of cheating, I would think they would not let teams handle the ball, but have NFL personnel do so....

I'm sure Brady isn't the only guy doing this.
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Post by: stelz on January 22, 2015, 12:40:30 pm
Navigator, the Colts balls had not lost pressure....
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Post by: chifaninva on January 22, 2015, 01:00:43 pm
They must've let all the air out of the Bears balls, or at least Cutlers..
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Post by: Dave23 on January 22, 2015, 01:21:00 pm
I assume his wife takes care of that for him...
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Post by: dallasbear on January 22, 2015, 01:31:55 pm
The proof? Before the game the refs are to check the balls for inflation. If during the game the balls are shown to be underinflated then what other proof is needed? Somebody is coming along afterwards (ball boys?) and deflating them. This is a serious issue. This is about the integrity of the game. Somebody is going to swing for this. Hang them high.

Aren't the same refs that check the balls prior to the game for inflation handling them throughout the game?

It's a slow week for the NFL media with no games this weekend.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 22, 2015, 02:31:57 pm
11 of the 12 Patriot balls were underinflated. Enough said. Somebody took air out of the balls after they were initially inspected. Who is doing this? ...and under whose orders or supervision? Somebody knows.
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Post by: wmljohn on January 22, 2015, 02:51:34 pm
A caller into a radio show yesterday speculated that they might have inflated some of the balls with a higher gas content then just regular air that would disipate at a higher rage thus deflating the balls naturally over a shorter period of time.

Makes sense to me if they did that.  I wouldn't consider that cheating but playing dirty with the rules.  I am sure the rules do not state the gas content in the air or make up of the gas content in the air to inflate the balls. with.

Now if someone on the sidelines flat out took air out of the balls that would be flat out cheating.  I would show no mercy for the Patriots if that is found to be the case.  This would be the second time they have been caught cheating and showing no regards for the rules of the NFL.  I would suspen Bill for at least a year.  Just like New Orleans got.

Hell the NFL hammered the Cowboys and Redskins for some trumped up charges during the uncapped year.  They can come up with some integrity of the game charge to hammer the Pats.

Who know's what else they are doing against the rules to gain a competitive edge?
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Post by: guest118 on January 22, 2015, 03:22:25 pm
I am guessing Brady had them deflated. I don't understand why each team uses different balls in offense - that would cause this type of problems.

Maybe the Blackhawks should use a different puck on offense. What happened to "game ball".
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Post by: Keysbear on January 22, 2015, 03:56:07 pm
If the balls were warm when inflated, the will lose pressure if used in a cold environment.

Not 10-15% as has been reported in 51 degree weather. It is also my understanding that the Indy balls were checked as well and showed no change. Unless it was colder on one sideline than the other that excuse won't fly.
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Post by: dallasbear on January 22, 2015, 04:22:08 pm

Maybe they need a new NFL rule...something like they have in baseball when a pitcher is caught illegally going to his mouth or cutting on the baseball.

Eject the QB!
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Post by: packrat on January 22, 2015, 11:44:27 pm
(http://www.thethreemonkeys.com/175%20Meiji.jpg)

Bill Bellichic and his staff.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 23, 2015, 01:22:33 am



 Kraft ,the owner of the Patriots, and Goodell are best time buddies.


 Take it from there.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2015, 03:08:20 am
Packy that reminds me of the nursery rhyme "The three blind Mice"
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on January 23, 2015, 06:38:57 pm
It's supposed to be the three  wise monkeys; see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.  Wouldn't that be Bellicheck and his staff?
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Post by: packrat on January 23, 2015, 07:47:07 pm
#DeflateGate reaches the White House, which isn’t moved

Posted by Darin Gantt on January 23, 2015, 7:41 PM EST
Josh Earnest
AP
One of the most amazing things about #DeflateGate is the way it has crossed the lines of sports into the national consciousness.

Banning Bellicheck from coaching for one year ought to be fitting. 
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Post by: method on January 23, 2015, 07:55:37 pm
#DeflateGate reaches the White House, which isn’t moved

Posted by Darin Gantt on January 23, 2015, 7:41 PM EST
Josh Earnest
AP
One of the most amazing things about #DeflateGate is the way it has crossed the lines of sports into the national consciousness.

Banning Bellicheck from coaching for one year ought to be fitting. 

If that is all that happens... its going to be a really big black eye for the NFL... bellicheat is happy to miss next year if he wins a SB this year... If they cheated and that helped or played any part (psychological or physical) then the punishment should be so great it forces the franchise into the bottom dwellers of the league. IE. Bellicheat banned for 2+ years. draft penalties for multiple years... and maybe even a salary cap penalty.

Cowboys and Washington got hit with huge cap penalties for trying to take advantage of the uncapped year... if pats are trying to hedge in-game rules for an advantage the penalty should be greater.
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Post by: packrat on January 23, 2015, 07:58:16 pm
Bill from Raleigh, NC

Have you heard any pros and cons about John Fox? Do you have an opinion about why Denver got rid of him?

They got tired of winning.
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Post by: Pekin on January 23, 2015, 08:33:50 pm
It will be a fine and some draft picks is my guess.

It should be a year ban like Sean Peyton got who didn't even cheat.  If it is anything less the fix is in from Goodell and **** is really going to hit the fan.

The coach or Brady are going to have to take a year off.  One of them is going to have to take the fall.  I am guessing it is Brady.  They are going to have to find at least a bit of proof though.  We all know he encouraged someone to do it but that someone or someone who knows has to sing.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on January 24, 2015, 05:45:30 am
Here's my thought...  I'll bet it is every QB in the NFL that is looking for the edge, not just Brady.  The Patriots have already been exposed as cheaters and trying to get any edge.  It has tarnished their reputation, but they have rings still.

I don't have any doubt that on team supplied footballs, that they are exactly to each QB starter's specifications.  New England got thrown under the bus because Harbaugh was still pissed about the formation play that New England ran.  I am sure there is no love lost for the Patriots among the AFC because of their success, and bending the rules was exposed.

I think if no one comes clean, or unless they see Brady sticking a needle into the ball on replay, New England will pay a big fine and maybe some draft picks to be made an example of.  I don't see a penalty coming for individuals.

My question would be what happens between the time that the NFL inspects the balls, and to when they are brought on the field?  Is there any video that shows them being moved from point A to B and who is handling them?  Because if they were truly inspected and each measured for PSI, then something happens to them from that point to the field.  Unless someone is so brazen to let out air on the field, which their would surely be film footage of.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 24, 2015, 06:35:29 am
The fact is its obviously somebody did and its not just for one game. Now its a pattern of action. It has to be dealt with. And there has to be penalties for allowing such team behavior.
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Post by: Sportster on January 24, 2015, 07:17:32 am
They were discussing this on the Score yesterday and their opinion was this is way overblown and I share that opinion. They were saying there has been more outrage over this issue than there was with the sex abuse scandals. There is a ton of Patriots hate and jealousy involved certainly but it needs to be put in perspective.
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Post by: chifaninva on January 24, 2015, 08:34:50 am
Cheating is cheating, I think that in itself puts things in perspective. With that said, this is the media we're talking about, everything gets overblown..
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 24, 2015, 06:06:11 pm



 
Cheating is cheating, I think that in itself puts things in perspective. With that said, this is the media we're talking about, everything gets overblown..


 Before the Superbowl.
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Post by: packrat on January 24, 2015, 09:20:51 pm
It will be a fine and some draft picks is my guess.

It should be a year ban like Sean Peyton got who didn't even cheat.  If it is anything less the fix is in from Goodell and **** is really going to hit the fan.

The coach or Brady are going to have to take a year off.  One of them is going to have to take the fall.  I am guessing it is Brady.  They are going to have to find at least a bit of proof though.  We all know he encouraged someone to do it but that someone or someone who knows has to sing.

I hope that you are correct.  It is justified.
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Post by: Keysbear on January 24, 2015, 09:57:07 pm
Nothing is going to happen. Kraft is good buddies with Goodell.
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 25, 2015, 04:08:20 am
I am not so sure of that. Whenever you go challenging the NFLno exoneration comes out of it. Well it has started. Bellechick has thrown down the gauntlet.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/-bill-belichick-doubles-down-on-patriots--innocence-in-deflate-gate--dares-nfl-to-prove-him-wrong-225504102.html
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Post by: Keysbear on January 25, 2015, 05:16:35 pm
Interesting article on deflate-gate and fumbles. Players join the Patriots and fumble less than with their previous teams while players that leave the Patriots for other teams fumble more. Deflated ball easier to hold on to?

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/new-england-patriots-fumble-more-often-when-playing-for-other-teams


So I ran the analysis.  I’ll immediately share the results below, before diving into exactly how we arrive at these conclusions:

Patriots players fumbled SIGNIFICANTLY more often when playing on other NFL teams than when playing for the Patriots:

Individual players who played on New England during the 2007-14 span and on other teams fumbled 46% less often ON the Patriots as compared to on their other teams (98 touches/fumble on NE, 67 on other teams).

The most utilized of the Patriots players fumbled even more frequently when paying for other NFL teams:
The players who played the MOST often for the Patriots during this span fumbled the ball TWICE as frequently on other teams as they did on the Patriots (107 touches/fumble on NE, 53 on other teams).

Learning ball possession skills in New England did NOT transfer to other NFL teams after players left:
Individual players who played on the Patriots fumbled 88% more often after LEAVING the Patriots as they did when playing on the Patriots (105 touches/fumble on NE, 56 after NE on other teams).

In fact, the opposite was true – players were MORE secure carrying the football before even playing for the Patriots than they were after leaving the Patriots:

Individual players who played on the Patriots fumbled 25% less frequently before joining New England as they did after playing for New England and then leaving (70 touches/fumble before NE, 56 after NE).
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Post by: 46 on January 25, 2015, 05:59:45 pm
This thing is really getting legs.  It's obvious to me that Brady and bad boy bill are lying through thier teeth, especially Brady.  Now people are going back
like the article above an going "wait a minute", if it made no difference there wouldn't be a rule about it.  Wonder if Godell will screw one of his bosses. Things like this are why he gets the big bucks.

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Post by: WshflThinking on January 25, 2015, 07:22:36 pm
Patriots wont have their equipment manager at the superbowl to doctor the balls either. It will be the Bears's Tony Medlin.
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Post by: wmljohn on January 26, 2015, 12:04:11 pm
Imagine if this blizzard was last year at this time.  Superbowl Week.  The NFL would have been **** with all the "I told you so's!"
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Post by: Keysbear on January 26, 2015, 04:21:47 pm
I'm guessing that there will soon be a very wealthy former locker room attendant walking around Boston....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/26/deflategate-locker-room-attendant_n_6549608.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 26, 2015, 06:19:00 pm



 **** IT.


 I'm looking forward to a SUPERBOWL !


 Our boys aren't going to be there ...


 so cheer or don't cheer for any motherfuckers that's going to be there ...


 You're not going to get another holiday until Memorial Day. (official)


 Maybe Valentines day ...


 Well maybe Easter Sunday ...  :D


 AND YES ... Superbowl Sunday IS a holiday.


 
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Post by: Sportster on January 26, 2015, 09:31:04 pm
Just hope they have better commercials than last years. Was disappointed.... gotta have something to look forward to if your team ain't in it....besides some killer chicky wings that is  :P
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Post by: chifaninva on January 27, 2015, 04:57:32 am
Superbowl always sucks, too much hoopla..
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Post by: joki13 on January 27, 2015, 08:21:01 am
 It doesn't rally matter as I'm to stewed by game time to remember who won ?
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Post by: VJ on January 27, 2015, 09:37:34 am
You'd rather watch draft videos, surf multiple draft(fill in the blank).com sites, and peruse through about 100 7 round mocks than watch some stupid football game between 2 teams that everyone hates  ;D
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Post by: Dave23 on January 27, 2015, 10:11:08 am
(http://t.qkme.me/3oqy5i.jpg)
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Post by: chifaninva on January 27, 2015, 04:46:07 pm
A whole lot more interesting game on Saturday, UVA hosts Duke...
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Post by: Keysbear on January 27, 2015, 05:27:58 pm
Basketball....ugh....can't watch it. Starting to be like soccer with all the flopping and whining for calls.
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Post by: Dave23 on January 27, 2015, 08:40:57 pm
This time of year is when I sleep best...Sportscenter is nothing but basketball and hockey...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by: Keysbear on January 27, 2015, 09:27:39 pm
ESPN rarely even mentions hockey.
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Post by: chifaninva on January 28, 2015, 11:25:50 am
I like college basketball.... Pros, not so much..
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Post by: dallasbear on January 28, 2015, 12:00:38 pm

I will watch the college tournament games and the Bulls whenever I get a chance.

Did catch the Bulls when they visited Dallas last Friday.  Rose is almost there...not quite still needs to improve ball security.   Jimmy Butler caused the Mavs match up problems.  Wanted to see more of Mirotic but he only played 2 minutes.
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Post by: chifaninva on January 28, 2015, 02:20:47 pm
I watch the Bulls some, but that's about it when it comes to the pros..
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Post by: WshflThinking on January 28, 2015, 05:34:27 pm
Bulls played the game of the season last night. Too bad it was on the west coast. They beat GS on their floor in OT.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 28, 2015, 05:53:06 pm



 CHICAGO BEARS got a coach called Clint Hurrt as OLB coach.


 Now where have I seen this guy before ?


 Oh yeah now I remember !


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVRPz6-Tkww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVRPz6-Tkww)
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Post by: dallasbear on January 28, 2015, 06:09:47 pm

Oh yeah, I remember that scene.

I recall telling my neighbors how cool that movie was and how much I enjoyed it.  They told me they walked out just shortly before that scene.

My neighbors put their house on the market soon after.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 28, 2015, 06:25:38 pm



 
Oh yeah, I remember that scene.

I recall telling my neighbors how cool that movie was and how much I enjoyed it.  They told me they walked out just shortly before that scene.

My neighbors put their house on the market soon after.


 Well DAL we've always known you to be a negative influence.  ;D


 Obviously your neighbors were not BEARS fans.  :)
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Post by: 46 on January 28, 2015, 06:45:57 pm
"get the geek"
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Post by: Dave23 on January 28, 2015, 07:44:19 pm
I'm bout to go medieval on they azz
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 28, 2015, 08:01:41 pm



 
I'm bout to go medieval on they azz


 "Wit a coupla pipe hitten niggas an a blowtorch.


 You hear me honky boy?"


 One of the more classic lines in movie history.  :D
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Post by: 46 on January 28, 2015, 10:01:02 pm
"Hell no I'm not ok.  I'm far from ok".
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Post by: Dave23 on January 28, 2015, 10:06:05 pm
So many quotes...

"Zed's dead, baby...Zed's dead..."
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Post by: VJ on January 29, 2015, 12:31:43 am
Had my kid recite Ezekiel 25:17 in Sunday school just for fun.
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Post by: wmljohn on January 29, 2015, 11:32:35 am
My favorite Movie of all time.

Two of my favorite scenes...

http://youtu.be/OVxl__61vKI (http://youtu.be/OVxl__61vKI)

http://youtu.be/ZA_Tl1kvlQU (http://youtu.be/ZA_Tl1kvlQU)
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Post by: Dave23 on January 29, 2015, 11:55:56 am
That Walken scene is cinematic gold.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on January 29, 2015, 06:39:32 pm



 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYDF666wtrc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYDF666wtrc)


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMBZMane0Ts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMBZMane0Ts)


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5LcEB0zYVU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5LcEB0zYVU)


 
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Post by: wmljohn on January 30, 2015, 08:25:20 am
Monster Joe's Truck and Tow.

I am watching that movie tonight.  Just watching the clips gets you hooked.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 02, 2015, 07:01:20 am
That was the best Superbowl that we have seen in years.  I would watch it again and I dislike both teams.  Glad to see Richard Sherman's mouth shut
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Post by: packrat on February 02, 2015, 11:45:12 pm
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XmMrLZ6c--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/bydhzbqgn5p11s3x0sqh.gif)

Yeah, that's how we felt Mr. Sherman.
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Post by: wmljohn on February 03, 2015, 07:56:08 am
That is what a kick in the nuts looks like.
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Post by: Dave23 on February 03, 2015, 09:50:53 am
Knock him all you want, but with torn elbow ligaments that will require TJ surgery, we just went almost the full SB game without hearing his name at all. Brady and the Patriots wanted nothing to do with throwing the ball his way. I don't recall hearing his name at all until the 4th quarter.

He could play on my team any day, and twice on Sundays.
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Post by: dallasbear on February 03, 2015, 11:02:47 am

No one is knocking his ability - he's the best.  It's the other stuff we don't appreciate.
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Post by: VJ on February 03, 2015, 11:53:15 am
If there was someone who could help find and develop another Sherman, it would be Fangio.
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Post by: VJ on February 03, 2015, 12:06:28 pm
OTOH, I would love to find out exactly how much input Pace and Lucas had on Stanley Jean-Baptiste (http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2014/12/new_orleans_saints_stanley_jea.html).  Their D suck and was slammed by injuries yet the Sherman sized 2nd round draft pick was inactive most of the season.  The Bears cannot afford to draft developmental projects especially in the 1st 3 rounds.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 03, 2015, 09:33:33 pm



 VJ,


 Going to get interesting as to who is calling the shots isn't it ?
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 03, 2015, 10:03:41 pm
Ted Phillips?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 03, 2015, 10:06:42 pm



 
Ted Phillips?

                        That's the beauty of it ... we don't know yet.
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Post by: packrat on February 04, 2015, 10:35:10 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwmP0UwHL9k#t=36

Some Seahag fans after the game.  Nothing like a big taste or reality after a big case of egoism.
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Post by: packrat on February 05, 2015, 08:45:35 pm
Falcons’ coach, G.M. didn’t know about fake crowd noise

Posted by Mike Florio on February 5, 2015, 6:35 PM EST

Yeah, right.
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Post by: dallasbear on February 06, 2015, 09:37:51 am

Also, read something about texting from upstairs during the game.  Don't have any details...anyone know what the Falcons did to break the rules?
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Post by: Pekin on February 06, 2015, 11:12:21 am
The texting was the Browns.  The GM apparently texted down to the sidelines to tell them to play certain players or something like that.
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Post by: dallasbear on February 06, 2015, 01:45:27 pm

OK - that is nuts.  Who would be looking at texts during the course of a game?  Maybe the TE coach or something.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 07, 2015, 07:24:01 am
This is why Suh will not be tagged...

While the tag may be on the table, it’s likely in a far corner that’s impossible to reach.  The year-to-year game of tag with Suh would quickly spiral out of control for the Lions, with $26.8 million in 2015 becoming $32.16 million in 2016 — and $46.3 million in 2017.  That’s nearly $59 million over two years, and more than $105 million over three.
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Post by: Pekin on February 07, 2015, 09:45:10 am
Textgate: Browns may lose a draft pick, Ray Farmer may be suspended

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 4, 2015, 12:25 PM EST

Ray Farmer
AP

Browns General Manager Ray Farmer could get suspended, and the team could lose a draft pick, over the investigation that is becoming known as Textgate.

Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com reports that multiple league sources say a suspension, a draft pick forfeiture and a fine are all on the table as the NFL investigates whether team executives texted the coaching staff during games to suggest play calls. That would be a violation of league rules, which limit the types of electronic communications that players, coaches and other team officials can use during games.

According to the report, the investigation could be finished as soon as this week.

One of the reasons that offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan left the Browns at the end of the season is apparently that he felt the front office was meddling in decisions that should have been left to the coaching staff. In particular, executives were reportedly texting Shanahan during games to tell him which plays they wanted called.

The Browns have neither confirmed nor denied that executives texted coaches during games. The team says it is cooperating with the NFL’s investigation.

The Browns are one of three teams being investigated for allegedly breaking rules during games. The Patriots are also being investigated for Deflategate, while the Falcons are being investigated for Noisegate.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 08, 2015, 06:22:44 am
Whoever is naming all these investigations over something that happened 40 years ago?  Nice job on the creativity...
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Post by: Pekin on February 08, 2015, 08:56:51 am
I agree.  It isn't just football crap it is everything.  "Reporters" add "gate" to the end of every "scandal" and think they are doing some great reporting.
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Post by: 46 on February 08, 2015, 09:10:01 am
I didn't hear "choppergate" from the press in connection to that lying greasy prick Brian Williams.  Oh, I forgot. different rules of course for members
of the press. The english majors that do nothing.
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Post by: chifaninva on February 08, 2015, 01:20:34 pm
Looks like Williams is taking a leave of absence.. He seems to think he'll be back..
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Post by: Keysbear on February 08, 2015, 02:33:21 pm
Looks like Williams is taking a leave of absence.. He seems to think he'll be back..

He probably will be back.  It's not like NBC is concerned about their credibility.
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Post by: chifaninva on February 08, 2015, 03:41:42 pm
True..
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Post by: Pekin on February 08, 2015, 05:47:43 pm
They are pretty much the Otto's of the "news" world...
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Post by: dallasbear on February 09, 2015, 09:32:07 am

Losing Suh would be a huge blow to the Lions defense.  My guess is they tag him and then they have 2 drafts to find a top notch DT to put next to Fairley.

And the team that signs Suh to a long term deal is going to get a huge dent into their cap.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 09, 2015, 12:34:48 pm
27 million for one year is a lot to pay the non QB
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Post by: packrat on February 09, 2015, 07:58:38 pm
http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/study-packers-relatively-high-in-fines-low-in-suspensions

NFC_N stats for fines and suspensions.
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Post by: packrat on February 09, 2015, 08:31:10 pm

Paul Imig   @Paulimig 
Follow
Letroy Guion's charges:

Felony: Possession of Marijuana over 20 grams

​Felony: Possession of a firearm in the commission of a felony


1:33 PM - 4 Feb 2015

Seeing these details and the seriousness of this situation, it is becoming more and more difficult to imagine a scenario in which Guion returns to Green Bay in the future, especially since he could be facing substantial jail time if convicted on these charges. Stay tuned, and we'll bring you more information as we hear of it.
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Post by: packrat on February 09, 2015, 08:43:53 pm
http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2015/2/8/7962239/brett-favre-maybe-caused-the-seahawks-to-lose-super-bowl-xlix
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 10, 2015, 06:37:59 pm
 
 Well Packy,


 This could be some **** handed to you ... A CHICAGO BEARS ORGANIZATION ...


 once again ?
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Post by: packrat on February 10, 2015, 09:35:37 pm
One never knows, does one?  Season is over.  BS time.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 11, 2015, 05:11:34 pm
 
 
One never knows, does one?  Season is over.  BS time.


 Yes but lets make sure its really GOOD BS.  :D
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 11, 2015, 06:48:40 pm



 Here's what I'm wondering ...whose calling the shots and where are they playing at ?Where are we going at here ... signing beat up F.A.'s with a combination of the Draft ...or do we start building for a long term future and not get into the get rich scheme which for our beloved CHICAGO BEARS has produced ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the past thirty freaking YEARS !WE BEAT NEW ENGLAND 46-10 in Superbowl XX !You wanna know what we've done since then?You wanna know what New England has done since then ?Don't you get the feeling that nobody has paid attention at HALAS HALL for the past THIRTY years ...or is that all about to change ?
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Post by: packrat on February 11, 2015, 08:09:26 pm
Start with a good QB.  Draft big guys.  Trade down.
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Post by: packrat on February 11, 2015, 08:18:17 pm
Linebacker Clay Matthews and several Green Bay Packers offfensive linemen showed off their singing and dancing moves in a new trailer for "Pitch Perfect 2" that aired during Super Bowl XLIX on Sunday.

Five players -- offensive linemen David Bakhtiari, T.J. Lang, Josh Sitton and Don Barclay and Matthews -- are prominently featured in the sequel to the hit 2012 film. Jordan Rodgers, the younger brother of Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, also was part of their group.

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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 11, 2015, 08:20:31 pm



 
Start with a good QB.  Draft big guys.  Trade down.

 Sounds logical ... it worked for the Packers until they met a team that did it better then them.


 Hopefully BEARS will be the next team to do that.  :D
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Post by: packrat on February 12, 2015, 07:06:14 pm


 
 Sounds logical ... it worked for the Packers until they met a team that did it better then them.


 Hopefully BEARS will be the next team to do that.  :D

It's a good idea no matter who does it.
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Post by: packrat on February 15, 2015, 09:57:43 pm
Posted by Mike Wilkening on February 15, 2015, 10:21 PM EST

Adam Gase
AP

In mid-January, the 49ers tabbed Jim Tomsula to replace Jim Harbaugh as head coach.

However, they reportedly also envisioned a scenario in which Tomsula would be defensive coordinator, with then-Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase the head coach.

According to Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News, the Niners insisted upon Gase making Tomsula the defensive coordinator, but Gase refused, and Tomsula then got the head-coaching job.

In his initial discussions with the 49ers, Gase reportedly indicated whom he would hire as his coordinators, and Tomsula was not one of the candidates he suggested, according to the Mercury News. But the 49ers ultimately made naming Tomsula defensive coordinator as a condition of Gase’s potential employment, Kawakami reported.

Finally, the Mercury News reported that Gase later turned down Tomsula’s offer to become offensive coordinator. Ultimately, Gase took the same job in Chicago under former Broncos head coach John Fox.
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Post by: Pekin on February 15, 2015, 10:18:40 pm
I was just coming here to post that.  The world is upside down.  The Niners now have a way more dysfunctional front office then the Bears.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 16, 2015, 01:52:13 am



 
I was just coming here to post that.  The world is upside down.  The Niners now have a way more dysfunctional front office then the Bears.


 Yes but Duck do you think we have a better TEAM with the coaching changes ?
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 16, 2015, 07:19:40 am
JJ its what they can put on the field, its not about the front office.
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Post by: dallasbear on February 16, 2015, 10:59:42 am

JJ its what they can put on the field, its not about the front office.

JJ is asking about the coaching changes making the Bears better which does not include the front office.  And the front office, which includes the GM position, has a huge influence on what they put on the field.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 16, 2015, 04:00:43 pm



 
JJ its what they can put on the field, its not about the front office.

JJ is asking about the coaching changes making the Bears better which does not include the front office.  And the front office, which includes the GM position, has a huge influence on what they put on the field.


 Actually I see the coaches and front office as one and the same.


 It comes down to a pecking order as to who has say in F.A. & the Draft.


 In the past the GM ruled and coaches had X amount of input.


 Is this about to change ? That's the question.


 And what about THE PLAYERS ? Do they have any input ?


 Do you think Peanut already knows whose the best shutdown cornerback in the NCAA?
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Post by: dallasbear on February 16, 2015, 04:24:09 pm
There's no way of really knowing - in fact I don't how much influence Trestman had with Emery last year or the year before.  Lovie probably had more than Trestman that first year but who knows.

As for Peanut, he's probably promoting a defensive lineman or linebacker.  But my guess is the players have virtually no input in the draft.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 16, 2015, 04:39:10 pm



 
There's no way of really knowing - in fact I don't how much influence Trestman had with Emery last year or the year before.  Lovie probably had more than Trestman that first year but who knows.

As for Peanut, he's probably promoting a defensive lineman or linebacker.  But my guess is the players have virtually no input in the draft.


 DAL,


 I hope you're are wrong about PLAYERS having no input in this new order.


 After all they have to line up next to them and trust their backs to them.
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 16, 2015, 04:49:47 pm
Dallas, from what I posted on the other thread Pace is going to do the drafting but it'll be what Fox's evaluation is and what Fox says he needs. Maybe you didn't click on it and read it
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Post by: dallasbear on February 16, 2015, 05:13:05 pm

So Fox tells Pace I need a CB, safety, OLB, MLB, DE and NT.  Make that 2 MLBs and 2 OLBs and maybe a couple of safeties.

And on offense...

Yes, I'm sure each head coach has some input with his GM in the league.  Fox may have more this year due to his experience and Pace's lack thereof.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 16, 2015, 07:02:18 pm



 Hopefully the Idea at HALAS HALL is a new way of thinking since the previous way of thinking for the past 30 years hasn't worked.


 Duh. How many **** up teams got to a SUPERBOWL since the last time we WON one?


 Pretty scary ain't it ?
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Post by: navigator on February 17, 2015, 07:55:28 am
I figure Fox describes to Pace the kind of guys he likes. I expect he then ranks his needs in order and if Pace has two guys rated equally, he goes with the position ranked highest in need.

Right now I expect it looks something like this
1. NT,QB
2. ILB, OLB, CB, S  :D
3. OL

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Post by: Dave23 on February 17, 2015, 08:49:42 am
I understand the desire to get another QB here, but it's certainly not a bigger need than LB, S, CB...
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Post by: chifaninva on February 17, 2015, 08:55:41 am
I wouldn't care either way in regards to McCown.. If they bring him back, fine, he and Cutler got along well. If they don't, couldn't care less..
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Post by: dallasbear on February 17, 2015, 11:30:39 am

I understand the desire to get another QB here, but it's certainly not a bigger need than LB, S, CB...

Bears were ranked 30th and 31st in total defense (yards and points).

Offensively, we scored only 2 less points then the 11-5 Lions.

Our passing offense was ranked 15th.  Granted Cutler has way too many turnovers but if we could improve our defense and running game we wouldn't have to throw the damn ball so much.

You'd like to upgrade C and RT and add another WR, but the defense was the 2nd worst in Bear history - we need to draft defense early and often.
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Post by: packrat on February 17, 2015, 07:57:54 pm
Cutler is a coach-killer.
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Post by: packrat on February 17, 2015, 08:10:15 pm
Packers waive Kevin Dorsey along with Brandon Bostick

Posted by Josh Alper on February 17, 2015, 5:38 PM EST


Tight end Brandon Bostick beat the Packers to the punch by announcing that the team had given him a pink slip on Monday, a move that Green Bay confirmed with an official announcement on Tuesday.

Bostick wasn’t the only player shuffled off the roster. The Packers also announced that they have waived wide receiver Kevin Dorsey

Bostick botched the KO that lost the Seattle game.
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Post by: Keysbear on February 18, 2015, 09:20:46 am
The story that just won't die...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/new-england-attendant-reportedly-gave-official-an-unapproved-football-during-afc-championship/ar-BBhH5KC

Playing with underinflated footballs isn't the only football-related controversy related to New England's win against Indianapolis in the AFC Championship. During the game, a Patriots locker room attendant handed an official an unapproved ball, according to a report from Kelly Naqi of ESPN.

According to the report, a New England attendant -- who was assigned to the officials' locker room -- tried to give the official who monitors the kicking footballs a ball that wasn't approved approved during pre-game inspection. The official noticed the ball did not have the correct markings for a kicking ball, three sources told ESPN. The official was reportedly suspicious because typically a locker room attendant is not involved in handling footballs during the game.The official notified NFL management about the situation.
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Post by: Keysbear on February 18, 2015, 09:22:13 am
Cutler is a coach-killer.

Name them...that's an overused story that doesn't hold up to scrutiny
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Post by: chifaninva on February 18, 2015, 11:11:24 am
If you do want to use the term "coach killer". I bet there's one coach he won't kill, Fox. If Cutler doesn't show improvement this season, I would bet he's either gone, or there is at least a viable replacement (and I'm not talking about McCown either) brought in..
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 18, 2015, 11:19:45 am
Right. Cutler will be gone before Fox is gone. George put too much into this to let Cutler stand in the way of winning. Cutler either straightens up and flies right or he is a goner. Fox has been around the league too long to put up with Cutler's antics. Fox wont tolerate a bunch of crap.
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Post by: Keysbear on February 18, 2015, 11:53:19 am
Right. Cutler will be gone before Fox is gone. George put too much into this to let Cutler stand in the way of winning. Cutler either straightens up and flies right or he is a goner. Fox has been around the league too long to put up with Cutler's antics. Fox wont tolerate a bunch of crap.

What antics?  What crap? What does "fly right" mean?  I think you put too much on Cutler. He wasn't the problem in Martz stupid 7 step drop offense. He wasn't the problem with our "matador" offensive line play. He wasn't the  only problem with Trestman's "What's a run?" offense. He wasn't the problem with our last in the league defense.
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Post by: dallasbear on February 18, 2015, 12:08:33 pm

Maybe it's his body language that is keeping the Bears out of the playoffs.  Marshall also has to reduce his antics - he must fly right or he gets cut. 

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Post by: Sportster on February 18, 2015, 12:34:57 pm
He was a problem when he turned the ball over a record amount of times. He was a problem when he couldn't hit a receiver in stride to save his life. He was a problem when he was either high or low with his throws. I mean c'mon now....
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Post by: Keysbear on February 18, 2015, 12:56:05 pm
He was a problem when he turned the ball over a record amount of times. He was a problem when he couldn't hit a receiver in stride to save his life. He was a problem when he was either high or low with his throws. I mean c'mon now....

I'm not arguing that he didn't have problems last season but when I hear things like "antics", "fly right", "his crap" etc  I think of things like a locker room cancer, bad teammate, or off the field problems and such. I know of none of those things with Cutler. If you know of some please share.
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Post by: dallasbear on February 18, 2015, 04:56:12 pm
Cutler has numerous issues.  His pocket presence isn't the best and he does throw too many picks.  And he's not Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers.

But he did set a personal best with 65% completion percentage and a record 28 TDs (in 15 games).

As I've said before we've got to increase the run/pass ratio and how about moving Jay around more.  They talked about it but never really did it.

And they have to get through to Jay that he has to look at the entire field and be ready to bail out or throw it out of bounds if he doesn't see anyone open.  To his credit he is always looking downfield but has to keep an eye on the pass rush and no when to quit.

Living in the Dallas area I see what a higher run/pass ratio did for Romo and the cowboys.  Romo had a great year and the Cowboy defense turned it around despite having a bunch of nobodys and no consistent pass rush.

Run the ball, play good defense and I'll take my chances with Cutler throwing to Marshall, Jefferies Forte and Bennett.
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Post by: chifaninva on February 18, 2015, 07:08:29 pm
Fox is old school. I would think he knows he can't fix the run game by just making some changes on the line. We need a back that can get some yards. Forte is really good at catching the ball, he can gain some yards on the ground (when the hole is there). We need a back that can come and relieve Forte and pick up some tough yards..
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Post by: chifaninva on February 18, 2015, 07:15:17 pm
Fix the run game and you've fixed a lot of the problems. All of a sudden the offense stays on the field longer and keeps the anemic defense on the bench..
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Post by: boogie on February 18, 2015, 07:21:18 pm
Fix the OL and you could fix the run game, which would fix the rest of the O.
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Post by: Sportster on February 19, 2015, 01:51:37 am
I think Cutler actually managed himself decently with all the pressure and criticism thrown his way. He did seem to physically collapse under it, though. Seemed to get worse as things got deeper and deeper in the hole. By the end, he was all jacked up and really needed to be benched just to get his head back on straight.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 19, 2015, 02:40:09 am



 
Fix the run game and you've fixed a lot of the problems. All of a sudden the offense stays on the field longer and keeps the anemic defense on the bench..


 You've just described the MAIN PROBLEM.


 Actually according to CHICAGO BEARS history ... Defense hands the ball to Offense.  :D


 
Fix the OL and you could fix the run game, which would fix the rest of the O.



 I thought we fixed the OL other then guys getting injured and rotated like revolving doors in 2014.


 Compare the 2013 OL to the 2014 OL.


 
I think Cutler actually managed himself decently with all the pressure and criticism thrown his way. He did seem to physically collapse under it, though. Seemed to get worse as things got deeper and deeper in the hole. By the end, he was all jacked up and really needed to be benched just to get his head back on straight.


 JCut was one of 53 team members that collapsed. Along with the GM & coaching staff.


 The plug should have been pulled on every Defensive coach in 2014 ...


 instead HALAS HALL let it ride ... right into the sewer.  >:( :o :P :-[ :-\ :'( >:( >:( >:(


 Well at least we get a better Draft pick in the first ...


 like that's something to be fuckin proud of.


 Emery was in over his head when the Defense collapsed in 2013.


 He didn't know how to get out of it in 2014. It cost him.
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Post by: packrat on February 19, 2015, 07:50:03 pm

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Mike McCarthy meets with reporters at the combine


INDIANAPOLIS—Packers Head Coach Mike McCarthy officially turned the page on the 2014 season during his press conference at the scouting combine on Thursday.

“This is a little bit of a kickoff. You shift gears. Every year is a new year. You’re foolish not to look at it that way. Even if you’re the one that walks off with the Lombardi Trophy. I think you have to take each and every year and start over,” McCarthy said.

With those words, McCarthy put the Packers’ heartbreaking NFC title game loss in Seattle in the rearview mirror, but not before offering these words to a group of Packers beat reporters who met with McCarthy following his combine media session: “This was a helluva football team. I thought we were the best team in football when the season ended. You have to prove it on the field.”

So, painfully and with regret, the Packers move on to the next order of business, which involves the shaping of a new roster, beginning with a free-agent process that threatens to rob the Packers of key personnel.

“Bryan Bulaga, definitely I want him back. I know Bryan wants to be back. We’re now in that business phase of our game. You have five guys play together week in and week out, you’re going to have a pretty good offensive line. This is the best offensive line I’ve had in my time in Green Bay. This has definitely been our best group,” McCarthy said.

McCarthy commented on a wide range of topics on Thursday.
“I thought Davante (Adams) had an excellent rookie season. We’ve been a 25-year-old football team for nine years now. When a young guy steps up, you try to create an opportunity for him. Davante stepped up,” McCarthy said of last season’s second-round draft pick, who gives the Packers assurance against Randall Cobb’s free agency candidacy.


“I like the way our board looks right now. It would be nice to get our own free agents back. We like to sign our own free agents back,” McCarthy added.
Does McCarthy believe Julius Peppers will return for a second season with the Packers?


“Yes, I do. I might be the only one that doesn’t understand why the question keeps coming up. I think he looks great in green and gold,” McCarthy said.
Eddie Lacy’s slow start to the season.


“The play caller just needs to give him the damn ball in September,” McCarthy said, referring to himself. “Eddie made a huge step this year. The focus was to get him the ball more in the passing game. His pass blocking really improved. Eddie took the big step you look for rookies to take in their second year. Eddie took that step.”
Depth at quarterback, where Scott Tolzien and Matt Flynn are also unsigned.


“Scott and Matt definitely fit in our room. Scott is an ascending player. I don’t think you ever pass on a quarterback (in the draft). It’s the most important position in the game. If you have one you’re comfortable with and have a chance to pick, pick him,” McCarthy said.
A perceived need at inside linebacker.

“Last year, I think I answered about seven questions about the safety position. It turned out really well for us. The inside linebacker position can be compared to where we were last year at the safety position. We’ll see how this process of player acquisition affects it. I like the jump Sam Barrington made,” McCarthy said.

“The first thing you have to ask yourself is how many of these guys can play four downs,” McCarthy added, the fourth down referring to special teams. “We need to add more guys that can play all four downs.”
Nose tackle Letroy Guion’s return to the team following a recent brush with the law in Florida.


“I’m hopeful we get past this and get the green light to go forward. I’d love to have Letroy back,” McCarthy told beat reporters.
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Post by: packrat on February 19, 2015, 08:06:16 pm
TT talks at Combine.


http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Ted-Thompson-We-make-football-decisions/d57560fb-36fc-4ea1-b651-dee511849b12
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Post by: packrat on February 19, 2015, 08:17:22 pm
#Packers coach Mike McCarthy is expecting a 'big jump' from second-year WR @jrjanis. Blog: http://bit.ly/182JWpR 

 
7:40 PM - 19 Feb 2015

Every fan in Packerland is very eager to see what this guy can do.  He looks like a player who could set new NFL records.
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Post by: packrat on February 19, 2015, 08:31:12 pm

By Zach Kruse , NFC North Lead Writer  Feb 19, 2015

Early Combine Buzz Signaling Wild Offseason in the NFC North

If the first two days of the NFL Scouting Combine are any indication, the chaotic offseason in the NFC North is only starting to heat up.

General managers and head coaches of the Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings spoke to the media from Indianapolis on Wednesday and Thursday. A number of answers provided by the team's decision-makers figure to set the table for a wild couple of months inside the division.

One major theme: Big names could be on the move, and some other big names might be staying put.

In Chicago, the new-look Bears are making no commitments to quarterback Jay Cutler or receiver Brandon Marshall.

Asked multiple times about Cutler and his future with the Bears, new head coach John Fox said his team remains in the evaluation phase.

"I don't think there's any question that there's ability and talent there, but there's a lot more that goes into it," Fox said, via Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune.

New general manager Ryan Pace sang a similar tune.

"Cutler has outstanding physical talent, there's no denying that," Pace said. "It's just getting to know the individual and all of the other intangibles that make a great quarterback. That's what we're doing now. That really takes getting to know the person, right? So that's the process we're going through."

Neither can be considered a ringing endorsement for Cutler. Fox and Pace were hired over a month ago.

The Bears still have time. While all $15.5 million of Cutler's salary is already guaranteed for 2015, another $10 million in 2016 doesn't become guaranteed until March 12.

If, over the next few weeks, Fox and Pace become comfortable with Cutler as the starter in 2015 and beyond, the Bears have nothing to do. However, if the pair decides to cut ties with the 31-year-old quarterback, things get tricky.

A straight-up release seems unlikely, even if offset language in Cutler's contract may save the Bears financially. And a trade might be difficult to execute given the money still owed to Cutler over the length of his deal. Then again, the NFL is currently facing an extreme shortage at the quarterback position, so Cutler might have considerable value in Chicago and elsewhere.

Fox and Pace have less than a month to complete the evaluation.

The Bears were equally noncommittal to Marshall, who has spent the last three seasons in Chicago. Like Cutler, $7.5 million of Marshall's recently signed extension becomes guaranteed on March 12. Chicago can save almost $4 million in 2015 cap room—and almost $8 million if he's a designated June 1 cut—by releasing Marshall.

His 13 games, 61 catches, 721 yards and eight touchdowns were all three-year lows in Chicago. He also turns 31 next month.

Marshall's off-the-field ventures, which included a weekly spot on Showtime's Inside the NFL last season, may also hurt him with the new staff.

“I just want to make sure that we understand the Chicago Bears and football are our No. 1 priority going forward,” Pace said, via Rich Campbell of the Chicago Tribune.

While changes may be coming on offense, the defense is certain to look different under Fox and defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. For the first time in franchise history, the Bears will operate in the 3-4 front. The transition will likely require draft capital and potential free-agent signings to be functional in 2015.

Among Cutler, Marshall and a defensive rebuild, the next two or three months figure to be chaotic ones in the Windy City.
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Post by: Pekin on February 19, 2015, 09:23:17 pm
I think it would be stupid to blow up the offense when you are trying to rebuild your defense.
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Post by: packrat on February 19, 2015, 09:26:49 pm
By Evan "Tex" Western  @TexWestern  on Feb 18, 2015, 8:20p  10   

Tight end Maxx Williams talks with the media at the Scouting Combine. - Brian Spurlock-USA TODAY Sports

Wednesday at the 2015 NFL Scouting Combine featured a variety of storylines, and there were items to take away for each team in the NFC North. Beyond that, the bulk of the offensive linemen and tight ends met with the media, and we'll have quotes and comments from several members of the draft class in the coming days.

Here are the big items we took away from the press conferences and discussions on the first day of media availability.

Packers

We got a little bit of insight on Mike Solari, the Packers' new assistant offensive line coach, from San Francisco 49ers GM Trent Baalke. He was gushing over Solari:


A heck of a football coach. He's an awfully good football coach. Great technician, great relationship with the players, works hard. I can say enough about Coach Solari.

Bears

The Bears' head coach, John Fox, confirmed that the team will be lining up in a base 3-4 defense under new defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. He also indicated that Jared Allen will be playing outside linebacker when workouts begin.

Lions

It's going to be really tough for the Lions to sign Ndamukong Suh, but they're going to try like crazy. GM Martin Mayhew spoke on Wednesday and said the team is prepared financially to invest a long-term deal in Suh. Furthermore, he said that the team might consider using the franchise tag on Suh if they cannot come to a long-term deal before free agency; however, he said it was "not a no-brainer" move.

Vikings

GM Rick Spielman held a press conference this afternoon and discussed Adrian Peterson at length. He indicated that the Vikings' ownership group, front office, and coaching staff all hope that Peterson will be able to return to the Vikings in 2015.

Spielman also briefly discussed the acquisition and emergence of wideout Charles Johnson, the former Packers draft pick, and says he is "very excited" to see Johnson's continued development.

Offensive Linemen

Along the offensive line, APC talked to a few intriguing prospects. Among them were Colorado State's Ty Sambrailo, who is currently projected as a day-two pick and has recently been connected to the Packers. A few other impressive players in media interviews were Alabama's Austin Shepherd (check out his charity here) and Utah's Jeremiah Poutasi, both possible third-day picks.

Tight Ends

Maxx Williams was definitely the star of the tight end class in media days, getting by far the biggest following for his press availability. He compared himself to Jason Witten in terms of his overall ability and versatility both blocking and receiving.

Also drawing crowds (as expected) were Clive Walford of Miami and Jesse James from Penn State. The big news on the measurement front was Jean Sifrin from Massachusetts, who measured in with the biggest hands at the Combine so far - 11 inches.

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Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 20, 2015, 05:30:57 am
I think they didn't commit to Cutler at the Combine, because they didn't want the coverage of the national media.  I am pretty certain that after the Combine is over, the team will share they are moving forward with Cutler.

The one way that it could change is if some team comes out of the blue and offers a nice trade deal for Cutler prior to March 12.  Otherwise, we have him.
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Post by: wmljohn on February 20, 2015, 08:01:23 am
Name me one player either has committed to for next year...

Have they come out and said Matt Forte is the starting RB next year?  Why wasn't he mentioned?  Maybe they are thinking about trying to get value for an aging RB?  He had just as bad a year as anyone else on that offense last year.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on February 20, 2015, 08:17:01 am
Because that doesn't sell news.. Cutler does.. I still say Cutler will be back, for at least one more season..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on February 20, 2015, 09:33:31 am

Pace and Fox don't want to give the impression that they are just automatically going with the status quo...even though most likely they will in regard to Cutler and Marshall.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: stelz on February 20, 2015, 10:23:51 am
They would love to trade Cutler....last year he was a turnover machine and the perception is that he is not a leader.  The new brains are used to Drew Brees and Peyton Manning, who ARE leaders.  Finding a suitable trade partner for Cutler probably won't happen....so, he'll most likely be back this year. 

Back in the revolving door O-line days, it seemed that he tried like hell.  I never questioned his heart or his competitive drive.  They were winning with Johnny Knox and Devon Hester as wide receivers....then Cutler's thumb broke.  That team was hard to beat before the Cutler injury.

Last year...its hard to say.  It looked like Cutler didn't care, but then again it looked like nobody cared and that's on Trestman.  Also his passes were terrible...I still think it's possible he had some injury that the Bears are hiding because they would like to trade him.  He didn't suddenly forget how to throw a football.

There has always been something holding Cutler back from success with the Bears, injury, no O-line, terrible offensive coordinators, little tiny short receivers, last year it was Trestman and how the team quit on him.  None of these things are Jay's fault, but he never rose above them either. 



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Post by: dallasbear on February 20, 2015, 10:42:52 am

Cutler is a good QB he could be a very good QB...but he's not a savior.  Trestman depended way way too much on our passing game.

How many times did we go a couple series before we even ran the ball to start the game?  How many times did we pass on 3rd and 1?   And how many times did our sieve like defense put us in a hole and force us into pass only mode?

Cutler isn't blameless.  He's got to be better in the pocket - he's got to distribute the ball better and not force it to his primary receivers.
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Post by: chifaninva on February 20, 2015, 11:31:27 am
As we've said, too many holes on the team to leave us without a QB. Who the hell would take his place? AS much as I like McCown, the thought of him being our #1 starter makes me ill, to say the least..

I think we just plain and simply got **** when the Bears hired Trestman (and Emery). The only thing that could've been worse if they would've replayed Bummstedt (Davey) and let him stay on a few more years..
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Post by: dallasbear on February 20, 2015, 11:38:39 am

We all wanted an offensive minded head coach after suffering with weak offenses for the most part with the defensive minded coaches:  Juaron, Wannstedt and Lovie Smith.

And even though Ditka played TE he was a special teams coach and really couldn't be called offensive oriented.

As for Emery who knew?  Does Pace have a better track record?
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Post by: boogie on February 20, 2015, 11:42:43 am
If Trestman had whispered to change Cutler for the better nobody would care.  He still makes the same mistakes and has the same problems, so the Trestman experiment was a bust.
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Post by: Sportster on February 20, 2015, 11:42:55 am
Personally, I'm not all that concerned about making the playoffs this season. We're in a rebuilding phase and the most important thing I want to see is things done right. We need talent, everywhere. We need leadership. We need to see players progressing and growing. We need a very solid foundation built so this thing lasts for more than three or four/five years. So I'm not all that concerned about QB this season. If we don't get the franchise one we need this season, oh well, we come back next and try again. We just have so much we need to get competitive I can't see us being there for at least a couple seasons, more likely three. I want to see progress....
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 21, 2015, 07:00:53 am
Well said Sporty
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 21, 2015, 07:05:10 am
On a different topic, I wonder Lovie Smith's tenure will be a short one in Tampa.  Admittedly he went to a team that was changing head coaches, but he didn't go down to a bare cabinet.  There is a lot of talent on defense, and they have added some nice big wide receivers.  I can see him drafting Winston or Marriota and in that scenario, he would be given at least 2 more years to make it better. 
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Post by: method on February 21, 2015, 02:40:02 pm
Local sports talk/media figures believe lovie stays for 3 years baring a Greg "she"esque player revolt.

They will give the new GM and Lovie 3 full years to get their plan in effect.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 23, 2015, 02:31:15 am



 Mariota ran a 4.52 at the combine.


 Compare that to the rest of the QB's and look at his pedigree.


 Fox went after Manning with Elways ok.


 Imagine what he could do with a fresh QB.  :)
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 23, 2015, 04:56:15 am
Lose
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Post by: dallasbear on February 23, 2015, 10:03:58 am

Return kickoffs? 

That's what the Bears did with the fleet footed rookie Vince Evans before he started playing QB.
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Post by: Keysbear on February 23, 2015, 10:12:52 am
So how much of our draft are you prepared to give up to move up high enough for a shot at Mariota? Which of our multiple holes are you prepared to leave unaddressed?
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Post by: chifaninva on February 23, 2015, 11:18:41 am
Talk of moving up for Mariota is just that, talk.. Draft defense, early and often.. With that said, if an offensive player were to fall to us (no matter the round), I would rather take that player than reach for a player just because he's defense.... Very few positions on the team that couldn't use some help..
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 23, 2015, 12:09:53 pm
And Mariota is no todays Colts Luck. He is not that gifted a QB.
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Post by: packrat on February 24, 2015, 09:23:59 pm
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/293943531.html

Milwaukee-Journal view of the draft.


http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/293943531.html
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 24, 2015, 11:01:36 pm



 You guys better be right about not drafting Mariota.


 It's your call. But you better think about our future.
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Post by: wmljohn on February 25, 2015, 05:51:08 am
If the rumors are true...

DeZ Bryant's career is over...
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Post by: dallasbear on February 25, 2015, 10:31:18 am

As for the Cowboys front office, COO Stephen Jones told Mike Fisher of CowboysHQ.com that nothing about these video “rumors” are true.
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Post by: chifaninva on February 25, 2015, 11:19:59 am
I read he's seeking a deal worth $120 million. Seriously, think about that... WTF? If they tag him he'll get a guaranteed $13 mil for one season... I know numbers get thrown around and don't seem to mean much but try and put this in perspective. Ultimately, the money comes from the fan base. I just wonder at what point does the scale tip..
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Post by: chifaninva on February 25, 2015, 11:28:51 am
Then in ten years he'll complain that he's getting a headache..
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Post by: boogie on February 25, 2015, 11:56:48 am
Ok what is on the Dez Bryant video.  All I could find was it was at Walmart...
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Post by: wmljohn on February 25, 2015, 01:02:22 pm
That is about all that is out there at this point.  The rumor was the video was supposed to be leaked today and it was something 5X worse then what was on the Ray Rice video.
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Post by: BearHit on February 25, 2015, 01:25:26 pm
A video of Dez dragging an unconscious Roger Goodell out of the elevator?
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Post by: boogie on February 25, 2015, 02:34:26 pm
He would be a hero if that happened.  LOL
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Post by: method on February 25, 2015, 02:47:09 pm
More twitter rumors obviously... but apparently its Dez striking the person multiple times... once in the face to knock her down and then a kick while she was down on the ground...

Buh Bye 120 million dez...
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Post by: 46 on February 25, 2015, 03:00:57 pm
If true is astounding that celebrities in the 21st century are not constantly aware of their surroundings.
Roumors of one of his ex friends recording on his phone, and needing a payday. Of course, still doesn't
excuse the act. And your walmart cams? where?
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Post by: boogie on February 25, 2015, 03:33:12 pm
What on earth would provoke that kind of thing.  What is wrong with people?
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Post by: boogie on February 25, 2015, 03:45:43 pm
Wow:

A.J. Hawk has been let go by the Packers.

The team announced today that Hawk, who has spent his entire career in Green Bay, will not return. Hawk released a statement thanking the team for his time in Green Bay.

“I spent nine great years in Green Bay. I had awesome teammates and coaches and a great medical staff and equipment staff. Many of them have become my closest friends. We won a ton of games, as well as a Super Bowl, and I loved everything about playing for one of the greatest franchises in all of sports,” Hawk said. “The fans in Green Bay are incredible. Between playing at Lambeau Field as well as seeing them on the road, they always supported us. I am looking forward to my next opportunity in the NFL, but I’ll always cherish my years as a Green Bay Packer.”

Packers General Manager Ted Thompson likewise thanked Hawk for his service to the team.

“A.J. is a consummate Packer and we are grateful for all that he has given and how he represented the organization over the past nine seasons,” Thompson said. “He was a durable and consistent contributor to our success, but more importantly, he is a great person and teammate. The Packers are grateful for all that he has done on the field and in the community. We wish A.J., his wife Laura, and the rest of their family all the best.”

Hawk, who is recovering from surgery to remove bone spurs in his ankle, now becomes a free agent.
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Post by: boogie on February 25, 2015, 06:54:11 pm
Lions cut Reggie Bush too. 
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Post by: packrat on February 25, 2015, 07:19:41 pm
Hawk's cut no surprise.  He has slipped badly in recent years.  Worth another 3.5MM in cap space.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 25, 2015, 10:06:40 pm



 
Hawk's cut no surprise.  He has slipped badly in recent years.  Worth another 3.5MM in cap space.


 Packy I sure hope we don't sign him.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 26, 2015, 05:16:52 am
Kind of like our Edgar Bennett signing in the 90s
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 26, 2015, 07:24:14 am
I sure would look into Reggie Bush though. He'd sure be better than Harry Carey Jr
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Post by: chifaninva on February 26, 2015, 08:33:02 am
Bush isn't very big. I'd like to pick up more of a bruiser..
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Post by: packrat on February 26, 2015, 12:47:03 pm
Kind of like our Edgar Bennett signing in the 90s

I never understood the adulation for Edgar Bennet.  He was a good blocker and good receiver but never did much as a runner.  One year he reached 1,000 yards when they ran the heck out of him.
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Post by: dallasbear on February 26, 2015, 01:26:34 pm

He ALWAYS killed the Bears - hence the fascination with him.
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Post by: packrat on February 26, 2015, 06:42:51 pm
He ALWAYS killed the Bears - hence the fascination with him.

OK.  I guess that I missed that.
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Post by: Pekin on February 26, 2015, 06:44:47 pm
Yeah there for a while the Bears were constantly picking up old over the hill players that played well against them while in their prime.  Wanny...
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Post by: packrat on February 26, 2015, 06:45:16 pm
Packers to let Randall Cobb test market, focused on signing Bryan Bulaga and Letroy Guion, per report

By Jason B. Hirschhorn  @by_JBH  on Feb 26, 2015, 12:49p  250   

If he leaves it would be a disappointment. I think he would also  be disappointed, in time.  A so-so QB will never achieve a relationship that maximizes Cobb's special talents.

Would you pay that much for a possession receiver for the Bears? :-\
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Post by: Pekin on February 26, 2015, 06:47:42 pm
Didn't I tell you he was as good as gone?
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Post by: boogie on February 26, 2015, 06:53:07 pm
Just what the doctor ordered.  LOL
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Post by: packrat on February 26, 2015, 07:03:55 pm
If he is my  hat is off to you.  It would be his loss in the long run.

I would guess that this is one rare time when TT will go against policy using  Free Agency and pay big bucks for a really good TE or WR.  This probably assures that Peppers stays this year.  Also I imagine, Bulaga and all of the other UFAs.
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Post by: Pekin on February 26, 2015, 07:14:13 pm
Packrat, He thinks he deserves what your #1 receiver got.  The Packers are not going to pay that.  They know Rodgers is the reason for his success.

Some team will over pay him more then likely.  You are correct he will not put up the same numbers on another team as the #1 as he does on the Packers as a #2.  That does not mean that his loss will not hurt the Packers though.
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Post by: packrat on February 26, 2015, 07:32:45 pm
Good points, Peke.  How much he damages the team depends upon  how much Davonte Adams steps up after a very good rookie season. Another question is how well Boykin comes back after a very good rookie season and a sophomore jinx season.

One other question involves how much Jeff Janis contributes.  TT and MM have been quiet about him.  He had unbelievable statistics in college. He looked real good but raw in pre-season.  He only had 2 passes thrown to him last season and caught them.  I have a hunch that his talents will surprise us this season.  Rodgers helps that.

The defense is the area that must be held and even improved.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 26, 2015, 10:41:22 pm



 **** that noise sweetheart ....


 whats the new coaching staff going to do ?
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Post by: dallasbear on February 27, 2015, 12:35:58 am

If he leaves it would be a disappointment. I think he would also  be disappointed, in time.  A so-so QB will never achieve a relationship that maximizes Cobb's special talents.

I think all the millions he would be getting from his new team would alleviate that disappointment.  And whose to say he doesn't go to a contender that has a shot at the Super Bowl in the remainder of his years.

If you have to choose between Bulaga and Cobb - you keep Bulaga.  You saw your offense last year without Bulaga.

Would you pay that much for a possession receiver for the Bears? :-\

I don't know what he's asking but why do you call him a possession receiver?  91 receptions over 1200 yards and 12 TDs at 14 yards per reception
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on February 27, 2015, 05:22:29 am
That was my point on Bennett.  He killed the Bears.  We signed him, and he killed us again!
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Post by: dallasbear on February 27, 2015, 12:09:27 pm

Still waiting to see that 5 X worse than Ray Rice Dez Bryant video...maybe tomorrow.
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Post by: wmljohn on February 27, 2015, 12:53:04 pm
LOL.  Yeah.  looks like that was a bust rumor.
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Post by: boogie on February 27, 2015, 01:27:14 pm
I read something somewhere it said he basically dragged a woman out of one car and put her into another car.  I don't know if he hit her or what, but your basic woman dragging isn't 5X worse than punching your best gal in a Vegas elevator.  ;)
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on February 27, 2015, 06:48:44 pm



 Have we even got a clue what CHICAGO BEARS are going to do in the draft?
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Post by: WshflThinking on February 27, 2015, 07:05:38 pm
Yes
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Post by: packrat on February 27, 2015, 09:18:28 pm
If he leaves it would be a disappointment. I think he would also  be disappointed, in time.  A so-so QB will never achieve a relationship that maximizes Cobb's special talents.

I think all the millions he would be getting from his new team would alleviate that disappointment.  And whose to say he doesn't go to a contender that has a shot at the Super Bowl in the remainder of his years.

If you have to choose between Bulaga and Cobb - you keep Bulaga.  You saw your offense last year without Bulaga.

Would you pay that much for a possession receiver for the Bears? :-\

I don't know what he's asking but why do you call him a possession receiver?  91 receptions over 1200 yards and 12 TDs at 14 yards per reception


Cobb is a special TYPE of player.  He will end up a top-notch announcer who has the intelligence  to do that.  He became a go-to receiver, even above Nelson.  He had won Rodgers' confidence in a tough situation.  He enjoys winning and the position he has at GB.  Many headlines for him.

Now, move him to Oakland to some other doofus team with a doofus QB and his special  talents become lost trying to connect with an incompetent QB.  He no longer has Rodgers and Nelson to set him up.  No more championship games to play for.

If he moves it won't be for those "millions of dollars he gets from another team".  I'm sure GB's offer is a fair one and if he does move it will be for a lesser amount than that.  Maybe a million of two bucks more.  Is a guy more happy with $10MM a year than $ 9MM  a year?  While he is frustrated at Oakland he can sit there and count his $10MM.  He can suffer the fate of Jennings who left for a few bucks more to play for GB's garbage bucket in Minn.
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Post by: dallasbear on February 28, 2015, 12:04:51 pm
If he moves it won't be for those "millions of dollars he gets from another team".  I

Then he would be moving for ?   To get out of Wisconsin?  To get away from a future HOF QB?  To be the #1 WR in the offense?

For the majority of the players, when its contract time in the NFL, it's all about the money.
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Post by: packrat on March 01, 2015, 09:54:54 pm
If he moves it won't be for those "millions of dollars he gets from another team".  I

Then he would be moving for ?   To get out of Wisconsin?  To get away from a future HOF QB?  To be the #1 WR in the offense?

For the majority of the players, when its contract time in the NFL, it's all about the money.

Did you actually read the entire quote.  The difference will not be be "millions of dollars".

He would be moving for the mistaken idea that a few more bucks will make him happier; a falsehood that can spoil one's deeper contentment.  Merely a false illusion.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 02, 2015, 05:33:18 am
I would agree, he likely won't be happier and won't find a better situation.  But I think the lure of those extra millions will pry him loose.  He is on his rookie contract and looking for the big money now.  Not at the end of his second big contract with good production and looking for a ring.  I don't see you keeping him.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 02, 2015, 08:46:20 pm



 
Yes


 Thanx alot Wsh, big fuckin insight of what DA BEARS are going to do in the draft with that answer.


 Do you know anything more ?  ???
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 02, 2015, 10:41:44 pm
Probably no more than you, but I think everybody is in agreement we need more defensive players than offensive players. I think the draft will be used to supplement what they need that they cant get in FA. And that starts March 10th. So like all of us just watch the moves we make in FA. It will also be interesting to see which holdovers are kept and which are jettisoned. Like if they get a big NT in FA they likely wont draft one.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 03, 2015, 07:50:56 pm



 
Probably no more than you, but I think everybody is in agreement we need more defensive players than offensive players. I think the draft will be used to supplement what they need that they cant get in FA. And that starts March 10th. So like all of us just watch the moves we make in FA. It will also be interesting to see which holdovers are kept and which are jettisoned. Like if they get a big NT in FA they likely wont draft one.


 Whose the Nose Tackles in play in Free Agency ?


 Don't have the time to keep up on this.


 Lesean McCoy to Buffalo ???  :o
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 03, 2015, 08:28:42 pm


 

 Whose the Nose Tackles in play in Free Agency ?


 Don't have the time to keep up on this.


 Lesean McCoy to Buffalo ???  :o

Knighton from Denver
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Post by: packrat on March 03, 2015, 08:41:23 pm
Guion.  If he is a FA I would sign him in a heartbeat.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 04, 2015, 08:58:15 pm



 Well here we go again ... Darelle Revis is in play ... anybody into taking a chance ?
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 04, 2015, 10:28:35 pm
That's a good question. I'd leave that one up to John Fox and Ryan Pace. Seems I remember him being a flop in Tampa. But I am always leary of somebody Bill Belechick is willing to part ways with. That sends out warning signals of a problem child/behavior problems.
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Post by: davebear on March 05, 2015, 08:00:55 am
we don't need old players
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Post by: Dave23 on March 05, 2015, 09:53:49 am
I'd be shocked if he went anywhere except back to NE, but Vince Wilfork is now a FA...
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Post by: packrat on March 05, 2015, 08:46:14 pm
Seahawks Preparing a Williams Bid

Wednesday, March 4

Bob McGinn of The Journal-Sentinel reported the Seahawks have already reached out and "made it clear" they're going to pursue Williams in free agency. Seattle is looking for a second cornerback to pair with Richard Sherman. Incumbent starter Byron Maxwell is a free agent and is one of the most-coveted corners on the market, likely taking him out of the Seahawks' price range.

Williams, 31, has played all eight of his NFL seasons in Green Bay. He is set to be an unrestricted free agent for the first time, barring a last-minute deal between him and the Packers before March 10. The 2010 Pro Bowler made 71 tackles and three interceptions last season, helping push the team to 11th in Football Outsiders' DVOA pass defense rankings.




USA TODAY Sports 

Green Bay has thus far resisted Williams' push for a deal averaging $5 million over three or four years, per McGinn. The team currently has a two-year, $8 million deal on the table.

It's unclear how far the Seahawks are willing to go to match Williams' asking price, but he'd certainly be an interesting fit next to Sherman. Unlike a typical Pete Carroll cornerback, Williams is listed at 5'11". Last season, the only cornerback who was listed below 6'0" on the Seahawks' depth chart was the seldom-used Marcus Burley.

Carroll has long preferred length over elite top-end speed at cornerback to run his defensive system. That said, Williams is a longstanding veteran who has missed only one game in eight NFL seasons. If they're looking for reliability next to the superstar in Sherman, it would be hard to find it in a better place.

 
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Post by: packrat on March 05, 2015, 08:54:01 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2323705-randall-cobb-latest-news-rumors-and-speculation-surrounding-free-agent-wr

Cobb offer could reach $11MM per year by some idiot team.
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Post by: packrat on March 05, 2015, 09:00:22 pm
Green Bay Packers defensive tackle Letroy Guion has agreed to a deferred prosecution agreement, which will result in probation, stemming from his arrest for felony marijuana and firearm possession last month, according to a source familiar with the case.

The deferred prosecution agreement will be signed in the next couple of weeks, the source said.

Guion will avoid serving any jail time but still could face discipline from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell under the league's personal conduct policy.


I hope he avoids jail time and comes back as GB starting NT.  I think he is a good guy.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 06, 2015, 09:37:29 am

There's been a lot of "good guys" on the Packers over the years.
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Post by: packrat on March 06, 2015, 12:36:49 pm
I regard the Bears and Packers as having more class than most other teams.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 06, 2015, 02:06:50 pm

Not really, it's just a piece of cloth.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 06, 2015, 11:39:26 pm



 
Not really, it's just a piece of cloth.


 Dal are you becoming a cynic again ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 07, 2015, 10:26:40 pm
Cobb had two goals this offseason: (10 stay with GB and Rodgers, and (2) get the maximum buck from Thompson.  Touche,  he accomplished both.
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Post by: packrat on March 08, 2015, 07:36:23 pm
Now that the Packers have locked up Randall Cobb, it’s time to turn the attention to right tackle Bryan Bulaga – the guy who is only the top-rated right tackle in the market.

He could be and probably should be given as much as $7 million; will the Packers fork that much over? Remember they have 14 other guys to think about, too.

Bulaga had a very mediocre start to his 2014 season (-0.7 rating), before he amped it up and played well above average during the Packers final eight regular season games and through the playoffs.

About Bulaga’s last half of the season, Pro Football Focus says this:


From Weeks 10-17 his +12.6 grade ranked ninth out of all tackles and topped all right tackles

That’s pretty impressive.

And if the Packers feel they can get another four seasons out of the veteran, they will most likely bring him back for that $6 to $7 million price.

Now that Randall Cobb has been locked up for the next four years, it’s time push on Bulaga for his return....
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 08, 2015, 07:44:30 pm



 Packy,


 Baluga Cavier will be back with G.B.
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Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2015, 10:54:49 am
Patrick Willis is retiring tomorrow, per NFLN...

Didnt expect that...he's still dominant! Hotty Toddy, Patrick!
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Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2015, 11:01:45 am
Man, he's only 30...wonder if reuniting with his DC would change his mind?
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Post by: Pekin on March 09, 2015, 12:05:10 pm
Patrick Willis, Justin Smith retiring from 49ers

Posted by Mike Florio on March 9, 2015, 10:52 AM EDT

49ers
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The San Francisco 49ers continue to see dramatic changes in a franchise only a year removed from three straight NFC title game appearances.

From coach Jim Harbaugh leaving (mutually or otherwise) to running back Frank Gore signing with the Eagles on Tuesday  to the unexpected departure of receiver Michael Crabtree to the possible loss of guard Mike Iupati, the exodus of talented players continue.

The next two dominoes to fall will be linebacker Patrick Willis and defensive lineman Justin Smith.

Willis is the surprise that was referred to earlier today, and it’s a major one.  Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com reports Willis is strongly considering retirement.  As PFT hears it, it’s a done deal, with the formal announcement coming Tuesday.

Per multiple league sources, Smith also is done — although that’s not a surprise.  The 14-year veteran joined the 49ers as a free agent in 2008, and he had been in many respects the cornerstone of the defense.

Willis, a first-round pick in 2008 who turned 30 in January, is under contract through 2016.  Smith is under contract through 2015.  Their retirements could result in the partial repayment of bonus money they both previously received; whether that issue will be pursued will be up the to 49ers.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 09, 2015, 01:47:28 pm

Yeah, last year Orton "retired" from the Cowboys too.   And then signed with the Bills. 

I think Smith is really retiring not so sure about Willis.
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Post by: Sportster on March 09, 2015, 02:15:17 pm
They pay these guys such absurd amounts of money that they only have to really work a few years and they're set for a few lifetimes, some of these guys....
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Post by: dallasbear on March 09, 2015, 03:08:55 pm

Stephen Paea says he's headed for Redskins

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday that the former Bears defensive tackle has told people that he will land with the Redskins when free agency launches Tuesday. The big-bodied, interior lineman has been on Washington's radar for weeks.

Paea, 26, currently ranks No. 35 on our list of the top 101 free agents after a campaign that saw him notch six sacks while finishing fifth in the NFL at his position with 31 quarterback hurries. That pressure speaks to Paea's ability to cause havoc in the pocket, but he offered little help against the run last season.

Paea logged 40 starts over four years with the Bears, who selected the defensive lineman in the second round of the 2011 NFL Draft.

New Redskins general manager Scot McCloughan has made a flurry of moves along the line, releasing Barry Cofield and Stephen Bowen and adding former Niners and Colts defensive tackle Ricky Jean Francois. Paea is poised to join Jean Francois, Jason Hatcher, Chris Baker, Frank Kearse and Kedric Golston on what promises to be a wholly different defensive front in 2015.

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Post by: Dave23 on March 09, 2015, 04:11:55 pm
Anyone interested in Bryce Brown if Buffalo releases him?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 09, 2015, 06:03:11 pm



 
Anyone interested in Bryce Brown if Buffalo releases him?
What would be interesting is if we drafted players.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 09, 2015, 08:28:23 pm

The draft is a crap shoot.  You might get a couple starters out of a rookie class their first year...if your lucky.

This team has gaping holes at NT....MLB...FS.  They finally added a legit OLB.   Now WR...maybe center and RT.
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Post by: Dave23 on March 10, 2015, 02:52:59 pm
Jimmy Graham is now a Seahawk...
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Post by: boogie on March 10, 2015, 02:54:00 pm
Trade final: Jimmy Graham to Seattle, per Seahawks official.  wow, I bet Drew Brees is ticked.
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Post by: boogie on March 10, 2015, 02:54:31 pm
Double wow:

Ngata to the Lions too. Wow. Welcome to the new league year... 7 minutes early
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Post by: boogie on March 10, 2015, 03:02:19 pm
Wow. Foles to the Rams for Bradford. Big time moves going on. Mariota will not be available, #Bears fans.


     

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Post by: dallasbear on March 10, 2015, 03:03:38 pm
Wonder what the Lions had to give up for one year of Ngata?  He's going to cost them $16M this year.

Lions were #1 against the rush last year - they should be just about as tough next year too.  They will lose some in their pass rush though.
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Post by: boogie on March 10, 2015, 03:04:48 pm
Did they ever lock up Nick Fairley?
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Post by: dallasbear on March 10, 2015, 03:10:56 pm

Not that I've heard = Colts were pursuing him with supposed a huge deal.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 10, 2015, 03:17:51 pm
Trib:

Ravens have traded five-time Pro Bowl defensive tackle Haloti Ngata to the Detroit Lions in exchange for the Lions' fourth- and fifth-round draft picks, according to sources.
Ngata was traded after the Ravens were unable to work out a restructured contract. He is due $8.5 million in 2015 and has a $16 million salary cap figure.
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Post by: Dave23 on March 10, 2015, 03:44:25 pm
Jake Locker has retired. Stunning...
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Post by: Dave23 on March 10, 2015, 04:03:29 pm
Does Locker retiring make a Cutler deal to Tennessee more viable?
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Post by: Dave23 on March 10, 2015, 04:46:35 pm
Sounds like Terrence Knighton's market is softening...hope we haven't given up hope there...
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Post by: packrat on March 10, 2015, 08:36:18 pm
Packers don't tender disappointing pair of Jarrett Boykin, DuJuan Harris

March, 10, 2015
Mar 10

By  Rob Demovsky | ESPN.com

If I were an NFL GM I would definitely take a shot at Jarrett Boykin.
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Post by: Sportster on March 11, 2015, 01:04:32 am
Rams made out like bandits in that Foles/Bradford exhange. Bradford can't stay healthy and isn't cheap....
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on March 11, 2015, 05:12:19 am
McCoy, Foles, De. Jackson, and Maclin stripped off of that team in the last two years and seemingly with production ahead of them.  I wonder what exactly Chip Kelly is up to?  Sam Bradford?  I know Foles isn't the 2nd coming of Brady, but Sam Bradford?  Wml is probably right, another shoe will soon drop.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 11, 2015, 08:03:34 pm



 
McCoy, Foles, De. Jackson, and Maclin stripped off of that team in the last two years and seemingly with production ahead of them.  I wonder what exactly Chip Kelly is up to?  Sam Bradford?  I know Foles isn't the 2nd coming of Brady, but Sam Bradford?  Wml is probably right, another shoe will soon drop.


 Is it lining up to be Mariota at whatever cost and build the team around him ?
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 11, 2015, 09:30:46 pm
It seems that way JJ.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2015, 09:48:28 am

Chip Kelly has denied he's trading up for Mariotta.  We'll see.

But another team has already offered the Eagles a 1st rounder for Bradford.  But I doubt that and the Eagles 1st rounder is enough to move up in the top 5 which is about where he is going to go.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 12, 2015, 12:15:27 pm

Wow, Eagles looking to sign ex-Cowboy DeMarco Murray.  Murray played with Bradford at Oklahoma.
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Post by: packrat on March 12, 2015, 02:50:34 pm
Here's the list of the highest-paid receivers in the NFL, based on average per year: •1. Calvin Johnson, Lions: $16.207 million
•T2. Dez Bryant, Cowboys: $12.823 million*
•T2: Demaryius Thomas, Broncos: $12.823 million*
•4. Mike Wallace, Dolphins: $12 million
•5. Dwayne Bowe, Chiefs: $11.2 million#
•6. Vincent Jackson, Buccaneers: $11.111 million
•7. Larry Fitzgerald, Cardinals: $11 million
•T8: Cobb, Packers: $10 million
•T8: Brandon Marshall, Jets: $10 million
•10: Jordy Nelson, Packers: $9.7 million
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Post by: davebear on March 13, 2015, 07:52:04 am
and none of those on the Super Bowl teams
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Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2015, 09:02:38 am

Yeah, and Ernie Banks never played in a World Series.

One guy can't do it all.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 13, 2015, 06:14:12 pm



 Hey Guys ,


 Any intake on what Philly is up to ?


 That many RB's and Mariota too?


 Can that be pulled off ?


 Philly has the 20th pick.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 13, 2015, 08:41:00 pm

Where have you heard this before?

A team has a high priced big name receiver who causes apparent turmoil for the team.  So they unload him with their 7th round draft pick and get back a 5th.

Miami Dolphins just did this sending Mike Wallace to the Vikes.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 14, 2015, 07:08:34 pm



 
Where have you heard this before?

A team has a high priced big name receiver who causes apparent turmoil for the team.  So they unload him with their 7th round draft pick and get back a 5th.

Miami Dolphins just did this sending Mike Wallace to the Vikes.


 DAL,


 Whose tossing him the rock at Minnie ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 15, 2015, 02:15:47 pm

Teddy Bridgewater.  Shaun Hill is now the backup.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 15, 2015, 02:17:03 pm

Speaking of the Vikes - they just released Greg Jennings (salary cap).  He might help out for a year or two so we can concentrate on defense this draft.
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Post by: packrat on March 16, 2015, 11:31:24 pm
Tramon Williams has played all eight seasons of his NFL career with the Packers, but is heading off to the shores of a different Great Lake.

Tramon disappears into the vast ubknown.

TT has two options:

1) Take the money he had  set aside for Tramon and hire a FA CB, or

2) Draft a CB and use the money to hire a FA ILB.























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Post by: packrat on March 19, 2015, 10:31:13 am
http://lombardiave.com/2015/03/19/chicago-bears-in-green-bay-packers-corner-when-it-comes-to-ot/?utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 19, 2015, 12:16:48 pm

Think of a baseball game going into extra innings.  If the away team scores a run in the top half of the 10th.

Game over. 

Too much is based on a flip of a coin.
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Post by: wmljohn on March 19, 2015, 03:48:42 pm
Actually if the away team scores in the top of the 10th the home team gets last at bat before the game is over.

If the home team scores in the bottom of the 10th the game is over.  But that is apples to oranges because each team in Baseball gets an equal number of outs to play with as a rule.  Football possessions are totally different so it might really be an apples to horses comparison.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 19, 2015, 05:19:58 pm

I know that.  My point was that our current football OT rule is like an away baseball team scoring in the top half of the inning and walking off with a victory.  Doesn't sound real fair.

As for football possessions being totally different.  Exactly! Football OT possessions are determined by a coin flip.  Doesn't sound real fair.
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Post by: wmljohn on March 19, 2015, 06:02:28 pm
My bad.  It read like you were saying if the away team scores first the game is over.   ;D
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Post by: dallasbear on March 19, 2015, 06:08:33 pm

Yeah, it wasn't that clear, but since the Packers are for this rule then even if it makes sense I have to vote no.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 19, 2015, 06:23:06 pm



 Didn't a coin toss cost us Terry Bradshaw?


 That we didn't pick him?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 19, 2015, 06:28:28 pm

True.  And I think the Bears took the 2nd pick of that 1970 draft and then traded it to the Packers for a bunch of broken down FA types. 
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 19, 2015, 06:58:07 pm



 Thanks for the info Dal ... I hope we don't repeat forgone mistakes in 2015.
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2015, 07:12:38 pm
....which I hope means we don't spend some of our draft picks to move up for JJ's fav player this year
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 19, 2015, 07:43:30 pm



 
....which I hope means we don't spend some of our draft picks to move up for JJ's fav player this year
What if he falls to us at #7 ... then what?
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2015, 07:54:44 pm
Engineer a trade with a team wanting him, but don't worry that isn't happening anyways. That would be like the odds of you and I winning the powerball lottery tomorrow
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 19, 2015, 11:29:44 pm



 
Engineer a trade with a team wanting him, but don't worry that isn't happening anyways. That would be like the odds of you and I winning the powerball lottery tomorrow


 What do you want at #7?
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 19, 2015, 11:51:42 pm
I want a defensive stud at #7. I want somebody at a position of need that we can immediately put on the field and play. Right now we have no NT and you cant run a 3/4 without one. In my world if you improve that defense we win at least 3 more games in 2015, even with Cutler. We haven't invested in top defensive talent in years. All our #1 picks have been busts up till the last draft. We cant afford that any more. Defense has always been the trademark of the Bears and the last two have been horrible and old. That needs to change. The thing is you don't get #7's often and you sure don't want to waste it on a backup QB. We need starters out of this draft, not backups. If this were Andrew Luck instead of Mariota I'd be the first to say draft a QB at #7.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 20, 2015, 02:54:20 am



 
I want a defensive stud at #7. I want somebody at a position of need that we can immediately put on the field and play. Right now we have no NT and you cant run a 3/4 without one. In my world if you improve that defense we win at least 3 more games in 2015, even with Cutler. We haven't invested in top defensive talent in years. All our #1 picks have been busts up till the last draft. We cant afford that any more. Defense has always been the trademark of the Bears and the last two have been horrible and old. That needs to change. The thing is you don't get #7's often and you sure don't want to waste it on a backup QB. We need starters out of this draft, not backups. If this were Andrew Luck instead of Mariota I'd be the first to say draft a QB at #7.


 Wsh you keep seeing things as backup QB and I see them as future starter down the road.


 That is where you and I agree to disagree at.  ;)


 Iv'e had the patience of THIRTY **** YEARS since the last time we went to the dance and won.


 So yes I have the patience to build a TEAM that is a dynasty.


 An impact player as you stated could get us 3 more wins ... maybe.


 Wow ... that would get us back to 8-8 , which is where we have been floating at for decades.


 What I want is what the Patriots have and the Packers too ... consistency.


 I seem to have noticed that there is a QB at the helm of both teams.


 Vince Wilfork is gone ... Tom Brady stays.


 Raji could be gone ... Rodgers stays.


 Impact player? You draft them and bring them along over time ...which we have lots of.  :)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 20, 2015, 07:20:02 am


 

Wsh you keep seeing things as backup QB and I see them as future starter down the road.


 That is where you and I agree to disagree at.  ;)


 Iv'e had the patience of THIRTY **** YEARS since the last time we went to the dance and won.


 So yes I have the patience to build a TEAM that is a dynasty.


 An impact player as you stated could get us 3 more wins ... maybe.


 Wow ... that would get us back to 8-8 , which is where we have been floating at for decades.


 What I want is what the Patriots have and the Packers too ... consistency.


 I seem to have noticed that there is a QB at the helm of both teams.


 Vince Wilfork is gone ... Tom Brady stays.


 Raji could be gone ... Rodgers stays.


 Impact player? You draft them and bring them along over time ...which we have lots of.  :)

So you are ready to grab a QB and anoint him a starter in the future whether he is starter quality or not. The old NFL model was to sit a rookie on the bench and maybe in 5 years he had learned enough to become a starter. That went out with the Edsel. When you look at all the bad QBs that teams are drafting and then relying on to be starters should scare you. Look at Teddy Bridgewater or Christian Ponder, or some of the other bad QBs. What you haven't said is what you do in say 2 or 3 years when its determined that Mariota isn't your QB of the future, that Mariota is more akin to Cade McClown than Andrew Luck or Rodgers?

As for the time element you mention. We don't have time. We don't want to be bad for the next 5 years and we don't want to wait for production from our 1st round draft pick.
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Post by: boogie on March 20, 2015, 08:22:47 am
While I agree with Wshfl that I want to see our first round pick play right away, JJ does have a valid point, in that we need to have a stud qb, period.  If Marriota was another Andrew Luck, it would be a moot point, he would be going 1 or 2, and it wouldn't even be up for debate.  The problem is nobody knows how much potential the kid has to be the next Rodgers or the next Ponder....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 20, 2015, 11:14:57 am

Does Mariotta turn this team around with a so-so running game and no defense? 

Cutler is no Rodgers/Brady - he would benefit with better players.  Drafting Mariotta means one one less impact player that could help Cutler succeed.

Here are the rankings from last year:

Offense
total: 21st
passing: 15th
rushing:  27th

Defense
total: 30th
passing: 30th
rushing: 17th




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Post by: BearHit on March 20, 2015, 11:38:37 am
that's embarassing
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on March 20, 2015, 11:40:37 am
I totally understand where JJ is coming from and he's right. Every top team has a very good to excellent QB at the helm. He's the most important player on a team. But can Brady win without a solid D?? How about Rodgers without Matthews and a very good D? To win it all, you need both a top QB and a very good defense. We have neither presently and yea, this is not a one year turnaround job. So like anything, ya gotta start somewhere and if Mariotta is there, you take him. You have to. If he flops, he flops but that's the chance ya gotta take. He may be the guy that turns this team around, too. But we have to start somewhere and right now everyone thinking Cutler is the answer, he's not. IF he was, we wouldn't be in this position right now. The defense has been terrible but no one can say the offense has been stellar, either. This is such a mess we need help on both sides and again, this is NOT a one year turnaround deal! Take Mariotta at 7, go D the rest of the picks......that is if he's there....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 20, 2015, 12:02:24 pm
Yup, why waste #7 on a clipboard carrier? You need impact players/starters, not just 4th, 5th, and 6th round players that can be backups to starters. Its just plain that bad. Besides Angelo leaving the cupboard bare, both he and Emery relied on getting fill in FAs to augment their drafts. Now with the coming of a 3/4 the problem is further magnified. The only 2 players on this roster who bonifide Bear draftees star players are an OG and a CB. That has to change. You desperately need starters out of this draft, not just special teams players and backups. The drafting is so bad we have a Bear #1 pick who cant even find an impact place to play after stops at 4/3 DE and OLB. We cant afford any more of that. We don't need a clipboard carrier at #7. If that #7 were a QB I would expect that player in the event Cutler had a problem to start in Cutler's place or substitute for Cutler in the event the staff had problems like last year with Cutler. You aren't getting that player out of Mariota. That's just a fact
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 20, 2015, 01:31:18 pm

First of all, Rodgers and Brady can win without a defense or very good receivers.  Can they reach the Super bowl?  Probably not, but they can be competitive without much talent around them.

We've brought this up before.  Romo wasn't winning squat with Dallas - the last 3 years 8-8.  They got some production out of the running game and now they're 12-4 and Romo is now an elite QB.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on March 20, 2015, 01:38:31 pm
Again. Defense. If Jay wanders off the reservation, they got Clausen. He's started in the NFL, he knows how the sausage is made.  Please, defense.  Or the Bears will end up with
McClellin at nose tackle.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 20, 2015, 01:42:39 pm

I'd like to see some more FA signings.  I'm not talking about the big huge contract guys just some experienced starter or near-starter quality guys at NT, ILB, and DBs.  And on offense, a center and a WR and maybe a RT. 

Wow, we have a lot of needs and you can't expect the draft will plug all those holes.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on March 20, 2015, 01:54:32 pm
With a defense we may have had a winning record last season.. With a defense we would've made the playoffs the season before..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on March 20, 2015, 01:56:08 pm
Ok a part of me would really like to see McClellin at NT, watching him get tossed around like a rag doll.  That would be funny.  Thank goodness there is zero chance that will ever happen.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 20, 2015, 06:24:13 pm


 

 What do you want at #7?

Shouldn't the answer be BPA?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on March 21, 2015, 05:17:28 pm
BDPA. TYVM
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on March 21, 2015, 05:57:07 pm

packrat

Are you still spouting about BPA?

Get back with me if the Pack drafts a QB, HB, offensive line, or WR in the first round.  Maybe they go TE again but I'm thinking defense.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on March 21, 2015, 06:53:05 pm



 The opinion has been stated about who to draft in the first round if he comes our way.


 If that is not there then play with moving up a pick or two to get him.


 After that it's over. You'll have to deal with a FOX team without a future starter.


 Who's a QB to draft in 2017? You are now in that position.
 
 God help you. Once again ,you better be right.  :D


 Your track record over the LAST THREE DECADES ... has ... been pretty dismal.  ;D
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on March 21, 2015, 08:07:27 pm
packrat

Are you still spouting about BPA?

Get back with me if the Pack drafts a QB, HB, offensive line, or WR in the first round.  Maybe they go TE again but I'm thinking defense.

I agree it would be a bad decision for GB to draft a QB in the first round with the best QB around on the roster.  Even a good GM would have difficulty rating one player against one other player.  Most of the.  GMs rate players in groups of seemingly equal talent.  You look at the group of 2 or 3 or 4 and make a final decision on the one of most need.  If none seem to be a good fit you check into a possible trade down.

In every draft you will see two players rated  of identical value yet it turns out one is a bust and the other is a great player.  When you are rebuilding a team I think its best to begin by drafting a player you judge to be best  available overall.  Forget about where the weaknesses are in your present (old) roster and just get a bunch of best players for your new roster.  If there is someone you judge to be a sure thing, grab him.

As far as WR, OL or RB, GB very well may  draft all three.  In fact I think they may.  Stay tuned.  If they do, I'll be back to talk, again.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on March 22, 2015, 07:53:02 am
Unfortunately where GB usually picks, there are no good QBs available ;-)
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Post by: davebear on March 22, 2015, 09:18:14 am
Packrat is right teams have 4-5 players they see of about equal value when their pick comes up.

It's not as though when their pick comes up in the second round the best player is this one QB or OT.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 23, 2015, 01:58:37 am

Fine, then call it Best Players Available

My point is don't get on your high horse and boast that your team just picks the best player available without taking need into consideration.
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 23, 2015, 08:06:18 am
Lets restate that. Best Defensive Player Available. I know we have offensive needs to address but I feel the defensive needs far outweigh the offensive needs. The offensive needs can wait till late in the draft with maybe the exception of a Marshall replacement.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 23, 2015, 08:44:43 am

That's a big exception.  I'm seeing more and more mocks with the Bears going Cooper or White.
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Post by: boogie on March 23, 2015, 09:28:17 am
If not Beasley or Shelton I want Cooper. 
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 23, 2015, 10:16:20 am
I'd rather have Beasley or Shelton vs Cooper. OTOH while disappointed I could be happy with Cooper. I just feel this 3/4 conversion outweighs a WR. You all have to admit how ignored this defense has gotten over the years. Having the 30th ranked defense sucks canal water. Ignore the defense another year for a QB or WR? That's just ignoring the problem, hoping it goes away.
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Post by: dallasbear on March 23, 2015, 10:32:45 am

Despite only winning 5 games we had the 15th ranked offense.  Losing Marshall will only make that number go down. 

If you get the hotshot WR maybe if you go all defense with the rest of the picks, sign a few starters in free agency, and the improvement in defensive coaching you can improve the defense too.
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Post by: WshflThinking on March 23, 2015, 11:30:59 am
Whoever the pick is he better play. To draft a bust at #7 is what Angiblow would do.
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Post by: boogie on March 23, 2015, 02:06:36 pm
Yeah good luck with that 49ers:

With the big-money free agents long gone, teams are left to sift through the remaining scraps, which mostly consists of veterans and underachievers. And with the 49ers desperate for help, they’ve had “discussions” about signing Lance Briggs, according to the Sacramento Bee.

Briggs has been one of the best 4-3 outside linebackers of his era, spending all 12 seasons of his career in Chicago and going to seven Pro Bowls. The 34-year-old grew up in California and went to college at Arizona. The 49ers tried to lure him back to the West Coast in 2008 as a free agent, but were found guilty of tampering and docked a fifth-round draft pick. Briggs ended up back in Chicago, but is free again with no strings attached this time.

He’s no longer the player he was just a couple years ago. Injuries have hit Briggs hard and limited him to just 17 games the past two seasons. Sliding him in at inside linebacker in a 3-4 could be a way to squeeze another year or two out of his body.

The 49ers are also kicking the tires on free agent linebackers Mason Foster and Erin Henderson, having scheduled a free-agent visit with Henderson for Wednesday. GM Trent Baalke will surely address the position in the draft.
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Post by: navigator on March 25, 2015, 02:46:06 pm
I was thinking about this a few minutes ago...
who is your favorite coach in the NFL and who do you think is the best coach in the NFL.

Favorite - Mike Tomlin - I love to see his interviews (Rex Ryan might be 2nd)
Best HC - Bill B - I know Brady helps but he just wins with guys getting hurt and letting vets go (Mike McCarthy might be 2nd for the same reasons.).
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Post by: chifaninva on March 25, 2015, 03:18:13 pm
Funny you say Rex, I like him too. I remember some of the guys here saying they didn't. Yep, Belichick seems to keep on winning..
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Post by: packrat on March 27, 2015, 11:07:56 pm
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/335/771/hi-res-ecc1a7424ae320a2a0db2675050f0aba_crop_north.jpg?w=630&h=420&q=75)

Good luck in Carolina, Boynton.
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Post by: packrat on April 01, 2015, 10:07:09 pm
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/31/walter-payton-kevin-kelly-san-diego-chargers-scout/


The true Sweetness.
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Post by: packrat on April 02, 2015, 09:19:27 pm
(https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Ppqhnh7SBUwEKjv7KCdQBphiIKc=/0x0:4021x2681/783x522/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/46033792/usa-today-8306201.0.jpg)

If this guy gets to #7 in round 2 the Bears should draft him.  A winner.



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Post by: dallasbear on April 02, 2015, 09:40:27 pm

All the QBs coming out of Baylor are winners - doesn't mean they are NFL ready.

3rd round.
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Post by: packrat on April 03, 2015, 08:57:33 pm
You don't need to be ready to  play in your first year as a QB to be a successful  NFL draft choice.  Like Favre and Rodgers. 
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Post by: dallasbear on April 03, 2015, 09:01:22 pm

Did Favre and Rodgers play in spread offenses? 

Those guys usually struggle in the NFL.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 03, 2015, 09:32:06 pm



 Can Petty change that ?
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Post by: dallasbear on April 03, 2015, 09:44:59 pm

Who knows?  But why do you think there are a lot of concerns with Mariota?

They just don't have much of a track record in a pro style, under the center, read the defense, type of an offense.  Doesn't mean they can't.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 03, 2015, 10:24:15 pm



 
Who knows?  But why do you think there are a lot of concerns with Mariota?

They just don't have much of a track record in a pro style, under the center, read the defense, type of an offense.  Doesn't mean they can't.


 DAL,


 Yep. Russell Wilson was one **** up away from winning a Superbowl.


 But should we turn our back on that the way the NFL did with the Norwood kick that cost the Bills the Superbowl against the Giants?


 Levy built the future of the NFL with the run and shoot ... no huddle ... always two minute warning the whole game.


 Tuna countered with ball control and defense. It all came down to a kicker.


 The future of the NFL could have gone in a whole new direction or it could have stayed the same as it always was ...


 on the direction of a field goal kick.


 And we have just seen the same thing ... the pocket passer won.


 Did the pocket passer really win ?


 Or did the scrambler **** up at the most crucial moment ?


 Like Norwood?


 In the case of Norwood and Tuna it cemented the ball control and defense as being the way to go ...


 nobody else picked up on what Levy was doing ... although if the Norwood kick had gone the other way ...


 many teams would have picked up on that action.


 The end result was the Bills never won anything concerning a Superbowl.


 If Norwood had kicked that field goal ... the NFL as we know it today ...


 would be very interesting.


 What Rusell Wilson did in the Superbowl in a losing effort ...


 was revitalize the NFL.


 The same way Norwood did in the opposite direction.
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Post by: davebear on April 17, 2015, 10:21:07 pm
There's sure a lot of talk in San Diego sports radio about trading Phillip Rivers and the 17th pick to the Titans   for the second pick

and taking Marriotta.

This stems from the city not yet building a new stadium and now it's 50-50 whether the Chargers move to LA.

Rivers has one year on his contract and said he doesn't want to negotiate an extension right now as he isn't moving his family to LA.

Going to the Titans would reunite Rivers with Ken Whisenhunt, the former Chargers OC when Rivers had his best years.

Nashville is also (so I hear)  pretty close to Rivers hometown in northern alabama.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 19, 2015, 06:26:32 pm



 Interesting news davebear
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Post by: 46 on April 19, 2015, 06:58:07 pm
Rivers is from Athens Alabama, just a few miles south of the Tenn line on I-65, puts it about 70 miles from Nashville.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 19, 2015, 07:08:18 pm



 46,


 With the number two pick ... what would you do?


 Rivers or Mariota ?
Avelinni?
 
 History gets interesting when you dont have any choices
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Post by: 46 on April 20, 2015, 08:45:21 am
Me? I'd get the kid from Oregon.  If for no other reason, fresh legs and outlook.
Stick him behind the starter for awhile, have him take some first string snaps
for awhile, and put him out in a game.  Have to start sometime. Being old, I can
tell you old is just that. Lotsa baggage, history, and things done work like they
used to.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 20, 2015, 02:49:00 pm
Rip #55, Big Doug age 70
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 20, 2015, 04:36:21 pm



 R.I.P. Doug Bufone


 Mariota is gone but that doesn't mean I don't want him.


 That's how the NFL works.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 20, 2015, 06:00:26 pm
Mariota is gone but that doesn't mean I don't want him.

I wish your Raiders would somehow get him.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 22, 2015, 09:03:33 pm



 
Mariota is gone but that doesn't mean I don't want him.

I wish your Raiders would somehow get him.


 I wish my BEARS would get him.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on April 29, 2015, 11:03:53 pm



 Now it comes ... there is no turning back.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 06, 2015, 01:13:18 pm
Just saw on nfln that Tom Brady is a cheater in deflategate. I will try to listen for more details as they come out. Some mention of an equipment guy getting some autographed items as a reward for keeping the footballs the way Brady liked them.
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Post by: dallasbear on May 06, 2015, 01:31:14 pm

Not surprising - I mean why else would someone from NE tamper with footballs?  Like the center wanted a better grip when he hikes it?

Big question - what does the league do to Brady and the Patriots?

Anyone going to draft Jimmy Garoppolo for their fantasy football?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 07, 2015, 07:35:52 am
You guys think Brady will have to sit a few games?
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Post by: BearHit on May 07, 2015, 08:12:01 am
Give him the Pete Rose treatment
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Post by: davebear on May 07, 2015, 08:22:19 am
The Vikings used to deflate the ball for their kicker 10-15 years ago and got caught, so there is precedent.
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Post by: dallasbear on May 07, 2015, 12:48:35 pm

Cowboys close to signing La'El Collins.  They'll probably play him at LG.
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Post by: boogie on May 07, 2015, 12:59:00 pm
Done deal:

Collins, the LSU standout who went undrafted last week, has signed with the Cowboys, Charean Williams of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported Thursday.
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 07, 2015, 01:29:49 pm
I am not happy with that.
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Post by: boogie on May 07, 2015, 01:34:55 pm
Well even though he passes his paternity test, he could still be implicated in the murder......
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Post by: dallasbear on May 07, 2015, 03:50:40 pm

Jerry Jones....signs Hardy, drafts Gregory and now signs Collins.

The new Al Davis "just win baby"
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 07, 2015, 04:03:59 pm
Yeah, that's what bothers me.
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Post by: dallasbear on May 07, 2015, 04:27:02 pm

He REALLY wants to win...always has.

He's not particularly liked in Dallas by most fans...but you can't argue with his desire to win.
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Post by: method on May 07, 2015, 04:37:47 pm
I am confused... what exactly did collins do wrong so far?

if no charges are filed or anything of the sort... sounds like one hell of a move.
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 07, 2015, 04:47:24 pm
Report: “Everything” on the table regarding Tom Brady punishment

Posted by Darin Gantt on May 7, 2015, 1:30 PM EDT

Brady
Getty Images

At the moment, the idea that the NFL is targeting poor Tom Brady in the DeflateGate investigation seems concentrated to a group of Patriots fans and/or Tom’s dad.

But it’s clear that the league is taking this one seriously.

As Florio pointed out this morning, a suspension of the Patriots quarterback seems unavoidable, as unlikely as that might seem on its face.

At the very least, it is being considered at the league level.

According to Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, a league source familiar with the disciplinary process said we shouldn’t dismiss the possibility that Brady might go away for a period of time.

“Everything is being studied, everything is being considered,” the source said (emphasis Armando’s, not mine).

The league has gone hard on the crime-and-punishment from since being embarrassed by the Ray Rice debacle, as players such as Greg Hardy can attest.

But to suspend the starting quarterback of the defending Super Bowl champions (who kick off the season on national television) would be a huge move.

Of course, conspiring to break the rules of the game, and not cooperating with an investigation would be considered a huge lapse as well.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/07/report-everything-on-the-table-regarding-tom-brady-punishment/
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Post by: dallasbear on May 07, 2015, 08:40:35 pm

The worst thing about all this, is that people are going to be continuously talking about it for the next 4 months.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 07, 2015, 08:44:42 pm

I am confused... what exactly did collins do wrong so far?

if no charges are filed or anything of the sort... sounds like one hell of a move.


At best, he was connected to a pregnant woman who was murdered.  Worst case, he set up the hit.

I wonder how many teams pursued him.  Oh well, looks like NIU's Doug Free is the only member of that O-line that did not have a first round grade.
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Post by: Pekin on May 07, 2015, 08:47:22 pm
I am so over the ball thing.  It was never that big of a deal to me. 

I am sure every team does it to some extent plus the Patriots stomped them.  It wasn't close.

However I am not a fan of the Patriots so if Brady has to sit a few games I wouldn't be pissed.

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Post by: Sportster on May 08, 2015, 12:38:08 am
Me too. Tired of hearing about it. Give him his slap on the wrist and move along....
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Post by: chifaninva on May 08, 2015, 04:55:36 am
Every team does it? Not too sure about that. Brady's a **** ass wipe, I hope he gets at least a couple game suspension..
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Post by: chifaninva on May 08, 2015, 04:56:42 am
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets nothing. After all, it's the Patriots and Tom Brady we're talking about..
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2015, 05:17:28 am
There has to be some punishment. You cant let a league team flaunt the rules.
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Post by: method on May 08, 2015, 09:45:43 am
Couple games? I think he should be out for atleast a full season.

The report basically says that Brady has been having these guys deflate the balls for him for some time... so he's been cheating in MANY games... not just the one he got caught doing it at.
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Post by: navigator on May 08, 2015, 11:08:28 am
I think the crime is on par with using performance enhancing drugs. It may not have actually affected a single pass but who knows. I'm guessing at least four games.
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Post by: boogie on May 08, 2015, 01:42:37 pm
Ouch:

The Jaguars made Dante Fowler their choice with the third overall pick of the draft with the hope that he’d be an immediate upgrade to the edge of their defense.

Right now, though, they’re holding their breath. Fowler had to be helped off the field at Jaguars minicamp after being hurt during an 11-on-11 drill.

Michael DiRocco of ESPN.com reports that Fowler was holding his left knee after falling awkwardly while going up against former Georgia tackle Watts Dantzler, who is trying out for the team during the camp.

Ryan O’Halloran of the Florida Times-Union reports that Fowler was walking “gingerly” with two trainers and that a cart came to the field to take Fowler away from the trainers table.

We probably don’t have to spend too much time going over the best- and worst-case scenarios for Fowler and the Jaguars and we’ll pass along any updates that come our way about the condition of the first defensive player drafted this year.

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Post by: JeffH on May 08, 2015, 02:14:19 pm
Did he go full Clowney?
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Post by: boogie on May 08, 2015, 02:22:30 pm
That was the first thing I thought....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2015, 02:30:20 pm
That could happen to some of our players too....knock on wood it doesnt
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Post by: dallasbear on May 08, 2015, 03:22:58 pm

Aren't these supposed to be non-contact drills?  Of course you can rip a knee doing just about anything - including celebrating your first sack of the season.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 08, 2015, 05:46:42 pm



 Could be another Jamar-cuss Russell.
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on May 08, 2015, 08:12:50 pm
Good one Dallas.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on May 08, 2015, 09:01:01 pm
Could that suck any more?

The third overall pick in this year’s NFL draft will miss his entire rookie season with an injury suffered at his first day of practice.

Jaguars pass rusher Dante Fowler is out for the season with a torn ACL, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports.

Fowler, a talented edge rusher from Florida, was expected to make an instant impact on Jacksonville’s defense. Instead, at the first practice of today’s rookie minicamp he went down awkwardly, immediately grabbed his knee, and had to be helped off the field. It looked bad, and now it’s been confirmed that it was every bit as bad as it looked.

Just a week ago, Fowler was arriving in Jacksonville as a player who was supposed to make a big splash as a rookie. Now he’ll spend his rookie season rehabbing, and hoping he can be the player in 2016 that Jacksonville wanted him to be this year.
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Post by: Pekin on May 08, 2015, 09:01:54 pm
Feel bad for the player, the team and the fans.  That just sucks for them all.
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Post by: boogie on May 08, 2015, 09:14:41 pm
And I would have picked him if he slid to the Bears.  Yikes.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2015, 10:06:02 pm
So would a lot of Bears fans including me. Its the nature of the sport. High risk, high reward. Our 1st rounder thankfully made it through his first practice.
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Post by: Sportster on May 09, 2015, 01:21:13 am
Dangerous sport to the body, even in practice. That's terrible....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on May 09, 2015, 10:09:20 am
Agree, terrible..
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 09, 2015, 10:10:29 am
Every year I look at our depth chart.  I imagine a dart board with each player somewhere on it.  And I wonder if I throw 3 or 4 darts and whatever player I hit on the dart board is out for the season.  Makes you look harder at your backups.

Jacksonville's first dart  hit Fowler.  There will be more darts.
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on May 09, 2015, 07:07:27 pm
Yes agree.  That is why I was fine with drafting RB in the 4th.  We need depth at all positions.

NT, S and CB are the three positions that injury would really kill us.
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Post by: dallasbear on May 09, 2015, 10:30:08 pm

NT, S and CB are the three positions that injury would really kill us.


I think we're OK at S.  We lost Conte but added Rolle and now the rook from Penn St to go along with Vereen and Mundy. 

CB and NT are another story.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 10, 2015, 11:41:52 pm



 Whens the last time you saw a CHICAGO BEARS team WIRED ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2015, 05:05:27 pm
Just in from WGN. Brady suspended for the 1st 4 games. Patriots forfeit their #1 next year and #4 the following year and fined 1 Million smackers. Now that's how you flaunt the NFL rules. Looks like Belechick wins again.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on May 11, 2015, 06:33:53 pm
Meh, they can still probably go 2-2 which wouldnt be too bad.  I would like to see the Pats repeat, just to stick it to the NFL, of course unless the Bears were playing.  LOL
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on May 11, 2015, 07:08:39 pm
**** the Patriots!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on May 11, 2015, 09:36:35 pm

Chicago Bears

Gregory Payan/Associated Press



Best signing: Bryce Callahan, CB

In hopes of rebuilding a porous defense, the Chicago Bears were aggressive this offseason while acquiring talent. Chicago has good starting talent in their secondary, but there is an opportunity for Rice’s Bryce Callahan to make the roster as a backup.

Callahan is short, but incredibly athletic. His speed (4.47 40-yard dash), vertical leaping ability (43”) and broad jump (11’), all point to elite lower-body explosion. He has the tools to become a stud as a nickel cornerback.
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Post by: packrat on May 11, 2015, 09:38:07 pm

Green Bay Packers

Marcio Jose Sanchez/Associated Press



Best signing: James Vaughters, LB

One of the few standout names on the Green Bay Packers’ undrafted free agent signee list, Stanford linebacker James Vaughters is the best of the group. Vaughters doesn’t have elite size (6’2”, 258 lbs), but he is strong with a great motor.

As a depth player, he can make the Packers as a backup pass-rusher and special teamer. He is more than willing to fight through blockers and shows good finishing ability in space.
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Post by: BearHit on May 12, 2015, 08:51:20 am
Briggs still unemployed...

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/source-49ers-remain-interested-lance-briggs

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 12, 2015, 09:27:56 am

It's interesting how so many undrafted FA rookies look like steals.  Here's another one Bryce Callahan:

When a defensive back is only 5’9”, there are some teams that’ll completely write him off the board. The thought is that a cornerback at that size just gets overwhelmed with the ball in the air vs. 6’1” wide receivers. But, when said cornerback has a 43” vertical leap, the game changes. CB Bryce Callahan did just that as he skied and got ooohs and ahhhhs from the assembled masses in the Rice weight room.

He wasn’t done as he ran a 4.4 40 yard dash and that was a conservative time as I had him in the 4.3 range on my watch. He’s so fluid with his movements, explosive with his speed and dynamic in his jumps. He hit 11’ with his broad jump and nearly jumped off the mat that the Rice strength coaches laid out for the drill. He also knocked out 15 reps of 225, which was a strong number at 183 pounds. Also, a weird thing I noticed was that he’s a drop dead doppelganger of former Texans DB Glover Quin.
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 12, 2015, 09:48:34 am
Since we seem desperate for CB help he might have a chance to stick. He will get preseason opportunities. New team, new system, no established players guaranteed positions, and new coaching staff make his opportunity as great as possible.
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Post by: dallasbear on May 12, 2015, 11:15:05 am

I have no idea if this kid can play, but a 43" vertical is amazing.  By comparison Kevin White has a 36" vertical.  The last guy I recall on the Bears that had those kind of hops was Jerry Azumah.
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Post by: BearHit on May 12, 2015, 11:54:16 am
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-elite-street-0326-biz-20150325-story.html
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on May 12, 2015, 01:03:16 pm
Well that could be a hidden gem.  And isnt Tim Jennings like 5'9"?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: navigator on May 12, 2015, 01:08:16 pm
With Brady sitting four games without pay, does that mean the patriots regain that cap space?
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 12, 2015, 01:12:41 pm
Interesting question, but I seriously doubt the league allows it. Its further penalty for the Patriots since they were already fined draft picks plus a Million cash.
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Post by: dallasbear on May 12, 2015, 01:17:23 pm
He just won't get paid but I doubt if affects the Pat cap.

Also, with Brady missing 4 games the match up between the Pats and Cowboys will feature 2 starting QBs from Eastern Illinois.
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Post by: boogie on May 13, 2015, 05:59:43 am
The Buccaneers secured more than just the first pick in the draft as a result of their 2-14 record in 2-14.

They also get first position to make waiver claims on any player waived this offseason and they put that advantage to work for them on Tuesday. The team has claimed safety D.J. Swearinger and linebacker Khaseem Greene and added them to their 90-man roster.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 13, 2015, 07:18:05 am
Saw Brady hauled off in cuffs on TV this morning. Cuffs? Good grief.
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Post by: JeffH on May 13, 2015, 08:35:26 am
LOL

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2015/05/12/barstool-sports-employees-arrested-during-sit-nfl-offices/tSnCUzEFuIhwvFjVoIUWoJ/story.html
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 13, 2015, 08:49:14 am
Yeah that's what I saw, so they were just fans. OK. Whew. I said this has gone too far when I thought it was really Brady
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Post by: BearHit on May 13, 2015, 09:40:02 am
Barstool sports employees - nice PR move I suppose - at least they have "jobs"
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 13, 2015, 10:11:22 am
Somewhere in the back of my mind I just smell lawsuit coming to a TV screen near you. I  just cant envision Brady taking this suspension sitting down. Pats get hurt badly and I just don't see them doing nothing either.
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Post by: dallasbear on May 13, 2015, 10:26:33 am

I'm sure the Pats will appeal but I'm past the point where I care.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 14, 2015, 04:02:28 pm



 Have we rebuilt our CHICAGO BEARS ?


 Have what we done in F.A. and the DRAFT put us in contention?


 Of course the first game has yet to be played.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: wmljohn on May 15, 2015, 02:55:42 pm
Quote
Pats get hurt badly

From a business standpoint the Pats made out on this deal.  They don't pay Brady his 2+ Million Salary and only take a 1 Million fine = Net $ gain.  Then they don't have to pay for a first round pick salary = Net $ gain.  They don't have to pay for the later round pick = net $ gain.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 15, 2015, 04:45:40 pm



 
From a business standpoint the Pats made out on this deal.  They don't pay Brady his 2+ Million Salary and only take a 1 Million fine = Net $ gain.  Then they don't have to pay for a first round pick salary = Net $ gain.  They don't have to pay for the later round pick = net $ gain.


 LOL ! Slick.  :D  I think Brady makes 20 large not 2.  ;D
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Post by: packrat on May 15, 2015, 08:48:38 pm
The fickle finger of fate points again to the NE Un-patriots.  Slick Billy Bellyache.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/stats_show_the_new_england_patriots_became_nearly_fumble_proof_after_a_2006.html
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 16, 2015, 06:02:08 pm



 
The fickle finger of fate points again to the NE Un-patriots.  Slick Billy Bellyache.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/stats_show_the_new_england_patriots_became_nearly_fumble_proof_after_a_2006.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/stats_show_the_new_england_patriots_became_nearly_fumble_proof_after_a_2006.html)


 Packy ,


 All I want is him and every team in the NFL coming up against CHICAGO BEARS.


 We'll hand the justice out on the field when it comes to cheaters.
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Post by: packrat on May 16, 2015, 07:43:38 pm
Sic 'em, jj.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 16, 2015, 08:01:51 pm



 
Sic 'em, jj.


 If it works who's to complain ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on May 16, 2015, 11:54:36 pm
Sounds like they need to rescind that 2006 Brady rule
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 19, 2015, 03:34:18 pm



 The "TUCK" rule against my beloved Raiduhs.


 It's about time they caught up with Brady.
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Post by: Pekin on May 19, 2015, 09:24:49 pm

NFL moves PATs to 15-yard line

Posted 2 hours ago


 
Larry Mayer

Bears Senior Writer
 










NFL owners voted Tuesday to move extra point attempts back from the 2-yard line to the 15-yard line, making PATs equivalent in distance to 33-yard field goals.

Two-point conversions will remain at the 2-yard line, but a new rule that also passed Tuesday will give defenses two points for returning failed two-point conversions to the end zone.

The NFL has been mulling changes to the extra point for the last few years because the kick has become almost automatic. Last season kickers league-wide combined to make 99.3 percent of extra-point attempts (1,222 of 1,230) with six of the eight missed tries coming on blocks.

In 10 seasons with the Bears, kicker Robbie Gould has made 99.2 percent of his extra-point attempts (351 of 354). He has converted 91.1 percent of his field-goal tries (51 of 56) from 30-36 yards, hitting 14 of 19 since making his first 37 attempts from 2005-10.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on May 20, 2015, 01:29:09 am

More news about the Pats...I'm sick of all this Pats nonsense.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 20, 2015, 02:12:45 pm



 
More news about the Pats...I'm sick of all this Pats nonsense.


 HA! I got the joke.  ;)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on May 20, 2015, 07:11:37 pm
No, he wasn't joking..
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Post by: navigator on May 22, 2015, 06:31:43 am
part of me wonders if Goodell cut a deal with Kraft that if he would drop it from the owners side that he would cut Brady's suspension to 2 weeks or something.

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 22, 2015, 11:41:55 am
That is the theory going around.  Brady will be suspended for two games instead of 4.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 22, 2015, 07:45:19 pm



 DALLAS COWBOYS ARE AMERICA'S TEAM ...


 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS ARE GODS TEAM.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: JeffH on May 23, 2015, 02:35:16 pm


 DALLAS COWBOYS ARE AMERICA'S TEAM ...


 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS ARE GODS TEAM.

Not in January of 1986.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on May 23, 2015, 11:18:38 pm
Kraft tells Larry King he hopes he helped Brady’s appeal

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 23, 2015, 8:24 PM EDT

larryking
AP

There’s been plenty of talk around the NFL that Patriots owner Robert Kraft decided not to fight the NFL’s Deflategate penalties because the NFL has given a quiet assurance that Tom Brady will get a favorable ruling on the appeal of his four-game suspension. Now a report from Larry King (of all people) indicates that Kraft was thinking along those lines when he decided to accept the NFL’s punishment.

King wrote on Twitter that he talked to Kraft today, and that Kraft told him he’s hoping that accepting the NFL’s penalties will help Brady in his own fight against his four-game suspension.

It’s not often that NFL news is broken by Larry King, but this seems plausible. Even as Kraft has given up the fight against the Patriots’ sanctions, he still steadfastly supports Brady. It would make sense that Kraft would give up the fight against the league primarily because he wants to help Brady.

Although if that is Kraft’s intention, he probably would have preferred that King not tweet about it.
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Post by: WshflThinking on May 24, 2015, 08:21:21 am
Kraft might be better served cleaning up his organization.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 24, 2015, 04:07:40 pm



 
Kraft might be better served cleaning up his organization.


 We might be better server'd in INVENTING an organization.


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Post by: WshflThinking on May 24, 2015, 08:47:54 pm
Pace seems to be doing just that
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on May 25, 2015, 03:18:57 pm



 
Pace seems to be doing just that


 Wsh,


 Lets hope so ... being backwater punks is getting boring ...


 Why hell I could be a Raidahs fan to get that effect from CHICAGO BEARS ...


 wait ... I already am !  :D    ;D   ;)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on June 16, 2015, 10:18:04 pm
Twenty major drafting mistakes?

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2015/05/07/2015-nfl-draft-10-picks-that-made-absolutely-no-sense/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=Taboola&utm_term=Title1&&utm_content=nbcsports-profootballtalk

This list includes GMs Reggie McKenzie (Oakland), John Schneider (Seattle)  and John Dorsey (KC)  All three of these guys are former GB staff members who seem to be improving their teams.   It also includes Ted Thompson  and the Bears' GM.  We'll see.
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Post by: packrat on June 17, 2015, 11:59:27 pm
http://nflspinzone.com/2015/06/17/chicago-bears-alshon-jeffery-is-clearly-a-true-no-1-receiver/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=RecentPosts
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 18, 2015, 09:00:54 pm



 It was a mistake to let marshall go just when we are rebuilding.


 But then this is nothing new.
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Post by: Pekin on June 18, 2015, 09:09:51 pm
I believe they got rid of Marshall because they needed to clear cap space to lock up Jeffery long term.  They also knew where they were picking they were going to be able to get a top notch rookie receiver.  So they were gaining cap space (long term not short term), getting younger at the position and gaining talent that would be around much longer.

I hated the move at the time but I have warmed to it.  We will just have to wait and see how it turns out.   
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Post by: boogie on June 19, 2015, 08:40:03 am
Plus losing a locker room distraction is a plus.  White is supposed to have all of the skills of Marshall but with blazing speed.  If he does, it is an upgrade.
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Post by: packrat on June 19, 2015, 08:29:39 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491579-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-centers-from-2014
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 20, 2015, 02:52:34 am



 
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491579-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-centers-from-2014 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491579-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-centers-from-2014)



 Packy of course you weren't going to post this if G.B. was 35 out of 32 NFL teams.  ;D
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Post by: packrat on June 20, 2015, 10:44:33 pm
The Bears came out pretty well in this system.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on June 21, 2015, 05:05:48 am



 Packy,


 Let's just play the game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 02, 2015, 08:17:02 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2503718-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-3-4-outside-linebackers-from-2014

Pernell McPhee #2.
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Post by: packrat on July 02, 2015, 09:34:36 pm

The only coaches ahead of McCarthy on Harrison's list are the last three to win Super Bowls (all in order, by the way). Bill Belichick of the Patriots is first, followed by Pete Carroll of the Seahawks and John Harbaugh from the Ravens.

This year's Packers team should give McCarthy more of an opportunity to develop other aspects of his coaching prowess besides just his offensive mind. As has been well-publicized, McCarthy chose to gave up playcalling duties this offseason, passing them off to Tom Clements, and is more involved in the defense and special teams than in the past.

Hopefully in seven months or so we'll be able to look back at another Lombardi trophy and say that was the right move.



Poll


Do you agree with McCarthy's ranking of fourth on this list?

53% He's a top-3 coach
(243 votes)



39% About right
(177 votes)



8% He shouldn't be in the top 5
(37 votes)




457 votes total
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Post by: Pekin on July 02, 2015, 10:04:18 pm
No Rodgers and he isn't even in the top 15.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 02, 2015, 10:30:17 pm



 Packy,


 John Fox has made a career of almost getting there ...


 you think this could be it ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on July 02, 2015, 11:48:46 pm
'Coaching prowess'?? He is a average coach at best with a HOF QB! Who are they kidding. Like Peke said, let Rodgers go down for a couple seasons and they'll be singing the 'DITCH McCarthy!' tune real fast....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 03, 2015, 12:31:21 am



 
'Coaching prowess'?? He is a average coach at best with a HOF QB! Who are they kidding. Like Peke said, let Rodgers go down for a couple seasons and they'll be singing the 'DITCH McCarthy!' tune real fast....


 **** that noise ... what about OUR coach ?


 You know ... the one named FOX ?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 03, 2015, 07:03:55 pm
Average coaches don't win Super Bowls.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on July 03, 2015, 07:08:20 pm
A few have.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 03, 2015, 07:49:56 pm
Are average coaches in the playoffs every season?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on July 03, 2015, 09:54:36 pm
When they have a HOF QB they will be in todays offense oriented game.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 04, 2015, 09:13:13 pm
Awe,, come on!  This goes contrary to all the credibility that you had built up.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 04, 2015, 09:30:11 pm
Perhaps it’s only appropriate that the team that plays in the Windy City has been blown off the ball the last two seasons.

The Chicago Bears have fallen upon hard times on the defensive side of the ball as of late, allowing a combined 93 offensive touchdowns in their last 32 games while finishing 30th in the NFL in total yards allowed in back-to-back years.

New head coach John Fox and new defensive coordinator Vic Fangio will take advantage of their younger talent in the new-look 3-4. Second-year pro Will Sutton is expected to line up at nose tackle, and Ego Ferguson will play right defensive tackle.

Instead, we think this year’s second-round selection Eddie Goldman will make an immediate impression and win the nose tackle spot, leaving Sutton to battle Ferguson and perhaps left defensive tackle Jeremiah Ratliff for playing time.

The bottom line here is that it’s essential for youth to be served in Chicago.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 05, 2015, 09:19:23 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2503627-predicting-every-nfl-teams-most-surprising-starter-ahead-of-training-camp

Surprise starters for each team
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 05, 2015, 10:24:35 pm
Coaching roots
 Follow along as we reveal ESPN's top 20 coaches of all time.
Rank the Top 20 »

 
No. 20: Tony Dungy | No. 19: Mike Shanahan
No. 18: Sid Gillman | No. 17: Marv Levy
No. 16: Hank Stram | No. 15: Bud Grant
No. 14: Tom Coughlin | No. 13: Jimmy Johnson
No. 12: John Madden | No. 11: Bill Parcells 
No. 10: Curly Lambeau | No. 9: Joe Gibbs
No. 8: Tom Landry | No. 7: Bill Belichick
No. 6: Paul Brown | No. 5: Chuck Noll
No. 4: George Halas | No. 3: Don Shula
No. 2: Bill Walsh | No. 1: Vince Lombardi
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 05, 2015, 10:34:40 pm
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/09000d5d82849b56

NFL has McCarthy rated #3 best HC,
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on July 05, 2015, 10:46:46 pm
http://cover32.com/packers/2015/06/08/mike-mccarthy-gets-ranked-high-in-head-coach-power-rankings/

Fox Sports ranks McCarthy #2 NFL  HC.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 06, 2015, 10:46:49 am

How good would McCarthy be without Aaron Rodgers?

As for the Bears, most of their deficiencies on defense were in defending the pass (run game was 17th which is about average).  Pass rush improved a bit last year but the back 4 play was pretty bad.

Of course this year with the 3-4 alignment and what it entails we don't know what to expect defending the run, rushing the passer, or covering the wide receivers where 3 spots are up for grabs.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on July 06, 2015, 12:26:56 pm
Brett Favre taught him everything he knows
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on July 08, 2015, 08:26:31 pm
My God. That ny giant de that blowed up hiss fanger wit a cherry bomb got it hacked off.  Dear Jesus, don't people understand the word "fireworks"?
As in "fire"? Gunpowder? explosion? Hello?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on July 09, 2015, 05:14:47 am
Especially with a $60M contract sitting on the table...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 09, 2015, 02:30:29 pm

And how much did that golfer lose out on playing a pickup game of soccer?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on July 09, 2015, 06:51:13 pm
And the Bucs undrafted CB CJ Wilson lost TWO fingers to a firework.  Come on man....
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on July 09, 2015, 07:17:32 pm
We had a guy here who somehow managed to hit himself in the stomache with one and he was found in a fetal position holding his guts in when the paramedics arrived.  I think he is going to live and maybe it was just a tragic accident like it falling over or something.

Then there was the idiot that shot a mortar off his head and died instantly when it exploded instead of just burning his head severely.  Darwinism at work there. 

I remember as a kid shooting bottle rockets at each other and putting black cats in dried clay to use as grenades against each other playing war.  But to shoot the big ones off of your own body as several people have done that have dies are just idiots. 
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on July 10, 2015, 05:44:19 am
The Buc player was shooting off a roman candle.  Something myself and the family did this 4th.  Of course ours were cheapies, like a $1 each, but that could have been what he was using also.  That definitely gives me pause now.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on July 10, 2015, 11:08:34 am

Yeah, and did anyone shoot off m-80s as a kid?  No way would I let mine light one of those suckers.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: BearHit on July 10, 2015, 12:13:31 pm
We always ran like hell when we lit one
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 10, 2015, 12:32:25 pm
Love M-80's.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 16, 2015, 03:14:39 am



 I WANT EM DEAD !


 I WANT GREEN BAY DEAD !!


 I WANT MINNESOTA DEAD !!!


 I WANT DEEEEEEEEEEEEETROIT DEAD !!!!


 Is JJ becoming over emotional ? Perhaps perchance is that the root of winning?
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on July 16, 2015, 08:40:35 am
Maybe you have seen Animal House lately?  ;)
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: WshflThinking on July 16, 2015, 10:11:02 am
Bad drug interaction.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: chifaninva on July 17, 2015, 12:40:00 pm
http://nypost.com/2015/07/16/brett-farve-makes-the-espys-uncomfortable-for-everyone/
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Sportster on July 17, 2015, 01:47:06 pm
The normal guy makes it uncomfortable for the bizarro who doesn't know he's a he.....got it....yea, we're done....madness reigns...
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 17, 2015, 07:02:06 pm



 I want my 2015 CHICAGO BEARS !


 Not the grits and porridge chicago bears ...


 but the STEAK ...EGGS & HASHBROWNS CHICAGO BEARS !!


 Throw in a slice of pizza too ! Gimme a second on that CHICAWGO DOG !!


 What the **** are we dealing with here ... another year of losing ?


 This has gone on far enough ... I'm sick and tired of it.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: boogie on July 17, 2015, 07:56:56 pm
I really think the Bears will be better, but not talented enough to be elite.  Frustrating, and a few key pieces away from where we need to be.  I just hope we are not too middle of the road to lose out on elite talent going forward.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 17, 2015, 08:08:27 pm



 
I really think the Bears will be better, but not talented enough to be elite.  Frustrating, and a few key pieces away from where we need to be.  I just hope we are not too middle of the road to lose out on elite talent going forward.


 Boogie refresh me on why we let Marshall go. I still don't get it.
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Post by: boogie on July 17, 2015, 09:08:16 pm
Bad attitude and locker room cancer.  I think White is going to wind up being better, faster and replace him quite well.  My concerns are on D and the talent we might be missing there. 
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Post by: Pekin on July 17, 2015, 09:11:09 pm
I was pissed as well that we let him go.  However I am guessing they knew a talented WR was going to be the best available player for them on the board at their pick.  If that was their thinking I understand why they traded him. 
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 17, 2015, 09:13:05 pm



 
Bad attitude and locker room cancer.  I think White is going to wind up being better, faster and replace him quite well.  My concerns are on D and the talent we might be missing there. 


 Thanks for the update boogie !


 I agree it has to be defense !
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 17, 2015, 09:50:02 pm



 
I was pissed as well that we let him go.  However I am guessing they knew a talented WR was going to be the best available player for them on the board at their pick.  If that was their thinking I understand why they traded him. 


 Duck,


 I can see that but also see 3 WR's.


 I thot that...that was going to be.


 Just Marshall Jefferys White ... I could see the angles.
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Post by: Pekin on July 17, 2015, 09:57:36 pm
I know.  But I can understand their thinking of they need that money for defense.  I only wish Emery had not extended Marshall if this was how it was going to go down.

Also after seeing the newest Kromer incident I am beginning to think the last coaching regime was an absolute train wreck.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 17, 2015, 10:45:44 pm



 
I know.  But I can understand their thinking of they need that money for defense.  I only wish Emery had not extended Marshall if this was how it was going to go down.

Also after seeing the newest Kromer incident I am beginning to think the last coaching regime was an absolute train wreck.


 At least that's gone ... that was like the Crowton experiment. It looked good on paper.


 Actually today ... with empty backfields and nothing but WR's and TE's lining up ...


 Crowton just may have been ahead of his time.  8)

 
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Post by: Pekin on July 28, 2015, 09:40:23 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/28/nfl-offered-brady-at-least-50-percent-reduction-in-exchange-for-admission-of-guilt/

Dude destroyed his phone to keep them from getting the information.  Take your punishment Brady.

By the way aren't those texts on the other phones and in the servers?   

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Post by: davebear on July 29, 2015, 08:02:50 am
Brady must have consultd with Hillary.
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Post by: chifaninva on July 30, 2015, 11:15:04 am
That's funny. The cheater needs to just take his punishment and shut the **** up.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on July 30, 2015, 05:47:07 pm



 It should be BEARS mission to destroy Patriots ... again.


 NFC North is a minor irritant to getting there.
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Post by: boogie on August 11, 2015, 01:47:39 pm
WOW....Geno Smith out 6-10 weeks because he was sucker punched in the locker room and has a broken jaw.  By a LB that the Jets just cut.  Unreal....
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 11, 2015, 05:05:00 pm



 
WOW....Geno Smith out 6-10 weeks because he was sucker punched in the locker room and has a broken jaw.  By a LB that the Jets just cut.  Unreal....


 It's going to be fun to find out what this is all about.


 Have we signed that LB yet ?
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 17, 2015, 05:38:43 pm



 Tim Tebow ... what makes the NFL interesting.
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Post by: boogie on August 17, 2015, 06:22:55 pm
The story is Geno owed this cat $600 to reimburse him for some travel expenses the LB shelled out for Smith to make a charity appearance that he no showed.  The LB wanted his money, and I guess tempers flared. 
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 17, 2015, 08:06:47 pm



 And one of the Ryans already signed him to Buffalo.
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Post by: dallasbear on August 18, 2015, 09:19:05 am

And the story that I read said that Geno pretty much told him he wasn't going to pay him and there was nothing he could do about it. 

I guess he was wrong.
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Post by: Dave23 on August 18, 2015, 10:01:41 am
He got exactly what he deserved.
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Post by: 46 on August 18, 2015, 10:42:06 am
The report I saw says eyewitnesses had Gino sticking his finger in IK's face saying your not going to do a thing about it.  BOOM!  Yes, yes he did do something about it.  More telling to me is nobody tried to break it up, or that Gino should have volunteered the money immediately.  $600 is cheap to get respect from a group of highly qualified professionals, all of whom are making what, at least 250000 a season? I'm guessing nobody gives a damn the cheapskate is gone.
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Post by: BearHit on August 20, 2015, 06:10:08 am
Wow!

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/erik_kramer_reportedly_survives_suicide_attempt/s1_127_19379899

Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on August 20, 2015, 09:25:00 am

Hope he gets his life turned around.  I wouldn't want to deal with losing a son and going through a divorce.

I still remember that '95 season.  Kramer throwing to Curtis Conway and Jeff Graham...and Rashaan Salaam had his best year as a rook.  Good season for the offense...defense not so much.
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Post by: 46 on August 20, 2015, 09:31:42 am
Life has not been kind to Kramer.  The Mrs. has been in the medical field for decades, we had the discussion why people take their own lives, and she related that if your going to kill yourself, you may be stopped several times, but eventually you find a way and time and place to kill  yourself.  I hope that's not the case in Eric's life.
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Post by: BearHit on August 20, 2015, 10:29:54 am
If your quality of life is beyond repair - you should be able to drop by the euthanization clinic and cash in your ticket
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 20, 2015, 01:56:34 pm
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOV8mBjHHYg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOV8mBjHHYg)


 Soylent Green is Pizza! And that really tasty taco when they ran out of dogs and cats.


 Beyond that ... are CHICAGO BEARS getting it ?


 Are they remembering they are supposed to be a FOOTBALL TEAM ?


 I want some bastard high breds that are going to smash New England.


 We owe them a second PAYBACK.


 We could walk-off a field with some of their brains on our knuckles ...


 THAT'S JUST CHICAGO BEARS !  :D


 

 
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Post by: packrat on August 20, 2015, 08:44:32 pm
http://nflmocks.com/2015/08/19/nfl-trade-machine-jared-abbrederis-to-carolina/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

GB should trade Abrederis to Carolina.
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Post by: dallasbear on August 21, 2015, 09:59:49 am

Given his injury history and lack of production and lack of speed - the Packers should get an 8th round draft choice for this guy.

There has to be better options for the Panthers if they are looking for a starter.
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Post by: packrat on August 21, 2015, 05:47:19 pm
Bitter?
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Post by: WshflThinking on August 21, 2015, 10:36:50 pm
Sometimes the truth hurts
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: packrat on August 21, 2015, 11:03:12 pm
Given his injury history and lack of production and lack of speed - the Packers should get an 8th round draft choice for this guy.

There has to be better options for the Panthers if they are looking for a starter.

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/22372/packers-willing-to-wait-for-jared-abbrederis
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Post by: packrat on August 21, 2015, 11:06:08 pm
(http://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2015/0821/nfl_r_jerseys_mb__r3168_1296x518_5-2.jpg&h=402&scale=crop&w=1006&location=origin)
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Post by: packrat on August 21, 2015, 11:33:25 pm
...So this preseason is a fine time for young players such as Elliott and Mulumba to demonstrate that they can get after the quarterback. The position may be theirs to lead in just a year or two.

Meanwhile, in the secondary, Rollins and Gunter were making the Packers' defensive staff think, "Tramon Williams and Davon House who?"—both of whom are now gone from the team.

On the first drive of the third quarter, Gunter, an undrafted free agent out of Miami, snatched a Garoppolo pass intended for receiver Josh Boyce and returned it 28 yards. The interception set up an Alonzo Harris touchdown two plays later, and the Packers took a lead they would not relinquish...

MALOOOMBUH
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Post by: dallasbear on August 22, 2015, 12:43:36 pm

We're talking about a guy who's options this year are IR or practice squad - but of course since he's a Packer he's good enough to start on other teams:

Green Bay — Jared Abbrederis, a second-year wide receiver for the Green Bay Packers, suffered a concussion during the team's first practice, according to coach Mike McCarthy.

"Jared Abbrederis suffered a concussion yesterday," McCarthy said. "He's going through the protocol."

On Thursday, Abbrederis jumped to catch a pass from quarterback Aaron Rodgers — the ball was intercepted by rookie defensive back Ladarius Gunter — and landed hard on his backside. He was transported to the stadium on a cart and did not return.

Initial concerns immediately gravitated toward Abbrederis' knee, since the former Wisconsin standout tore his ACL in training camp last season. But any notion of a repeat injury was quelled by McCarthy, who said after practice Thursday that Abbrederis may have injured his tailbone.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 22, 2015, 05:24:06 pm



 CHICAGO BEARS @ INDY ...


 wont see this game until late on the west coast.


 Don't tell me the results. A BEER at 7:00 AM PST Sunday.


 It works.
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Post by: packrat on August 23, 2015, 10:25:09 pm
With corn flakes?
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Post by: BearHit on August 24, 2015, 08:09:48 am
Devin Hester!
YOU ARE (almost) REE-DICULOUS!

http://www.totalprosports.com/2015/08/23/devin-hester-punt-return-jets-falcons/



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Post by: davebear on August 24, 2015, 10:48:24 pm
JJ

The Bears game was 4AM Pacific Sunday.

You called it staying up late and I call it getting up early.
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Post by: navigator on August 25, 2015, 08:11:28 am
I DVR'd it and watched part of it after church Sunday. I ended up going to sleep after The subs started going in.
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Post by: dallasbear on August 25, 2015, 09:02:11 am

I think I actually made it into the 4th quarter until zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by: BearHit on August 25, 2015, 10:20:14 am
3rd qtr was the most exciting for Bears fans
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Post by: packrat on August 26, 2015, 07:44:47 pm
In 1996, Robert Brooks (#87, same as Jordy Nelson) was counted on to be the WR who would lead GB to a SB championship.  He broke his ACL (same as Jordy Nelson in 2015).  Without Brooks  Freeman and Spiderman  filled in and GB won the 1996 SB, anyway.  Is it possible to repeat the similarity this season?
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Post by: dallasbear on August 26, 2015, 09:26:42 pm

No, but its possible to repeat this post.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Pekin on August 26, 2015, 09:56:45 pm
I don't think Brooks was ever the player Nelson is.  Jordy is the guy who takes the lid off while also working the middle of the field.  He is a very versatile guy who will be missed.

A guy like him has to be defended in every aspect and since he can go deep it makes the short stuff easier and he has the experience and speed to find the holes int he defense then take it the distance if the coverage is screwed up.   
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Post by: Sportster on August 27, 2015, 12:51:35 am
Doesn't matter....they'll line up the next guy and he'll play like all the others before him. They've got a system there that works and they just fill spots in and there's no missing a beat. They're probably the deepest team in the NFL. The single player they cannot afford to lose is Rodgers and everyone knows it.....
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 27, 2015, 01:21:21 am



 Sporty,


 You talkin G.B. or N.E. ?
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Post by: dallasbear on August 27, 2015, 09:08:37 am

Yes.
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Post by: packrat on August 27, 2015, 06:53:18 pm
The NFL should juggle the rules to lessen the importance of the QB.  It's great having a big advantage with Rodgers in GB but I must admit that if the NFL wants to maintain competitiveness among the league teams and stoke up fan interest they need to reduce the significant advantage that a team has with an excellent QB.  Just bring honest.
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Post by: dallasbear on August 28, 2015, 09:14:05 am

They wanted to add more excitement and 17-14 games were apparently not exciting enough, plus you figure all the attention fantasy football brings -  you gotta score to win.
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Post by: Sportster on August 29, 2015, 12:14:05 am
Yea, my 'fan interest' definitely isn't anywhere near where it is if the Bears would be competitive. This year, it's Meh....if I miss a game or three, no biggie. Just not thrilled with seeing more of the same from last season. Prob won't be that bad, but still ain't gonna be pretty. And I'm far from alone. I'm rarely seeing much Bears logo stuff when I'm out. It's kinda rare to see someone with a Bears hat or shirt anymore. Just no excitement for a team going nowhere....
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Post by: boogie on August 29, 2015, 08:15:38 am
Its funny in Union Station downtown Chicago they have a huge banner in the great hall that says if you hear a roar it isn't coming from a train, and there are huge pictures of Kyle Long on one side and Matt Forte on the other.  I guess they need to drum up something....
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 29, 2015, 02:45:04 pm
 
 Boogie,


 It's simple mathematics by subtraction ... THE CHICAGO BEARS ...


They kill everything they see!
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 29, 2015, 02:48:40 pm



 Actually I'm tired of **** around ... I want OUR BEARS back to normal.  >:(
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Post by: VJ on August 29, 2015, 07:26:20 pm
Vid will be taken down soon...but this is what caused John Harbaugh to run across the field and want a piece of Jay Gruden.  Steve Smith was classic Steve Smith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDoCh_fFFHw
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Post by: Pekin on August 30, 2015, 09:58:48 am
That was a ridiculous and obvious attempt to hurt a player.
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Post by: packrat on August 30, 2015, 09:05:42 pm


From: mark lawrence
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:23 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Mark's Market Blog

Mark's Market Blog
8-30-15: China yet again
by Mark Lawrence
China is having a huge celebration this week, so they dumped major money into the markets. Ours went up a bit too. That will be all over soon and we'll resume our descent for a while.
 
S&P 500 February 28 2014 to August 21 2015
US durable goods orders came out and they were good - up 2%, up 2.2% ex military and aircraft. We're nowhere near a recession. Here in the US on Tuesday the markets dropped at the open; the interesting part was something else: there were huge bid/ask spreads on many items, some 15% or more. Clearly there was a massive liquidity crunch for about 30 minutes, which then mysteriously cleared up. If you're thinking of massively shorting the market, beware of counter-party risk: perhaps they owe you the money, but that doesn't guarantee you'll collect. Unless you're Goldman Sachs and the president of the New York Fed is one of your vice presidents, then you'll collect no matter what. (yah, that really happened. Look up AIG.)

The Shanghai index dropped below 3000, well below the previously defended level of 3500. The Chinese government announced that the state pension fund was now allowed to invest up to 30% of their assets in the stock market. So far, the pension fund has declined the opportunity to reach out and catch the falling knife. China lowered reserve requirements for their banks and lowered interest rates - exactly what got them into this crisis. On Thursday and Friday the government simply bought massive amounts of stock in the last hour of trading, running up the market by 6% and erasing a third of the week's losses. Technical analysts, the stock market analog of palm readers, say the Shanghai composite had to reach a level of 3200 this week to avoid further serious trouble. Were the index to regain 3200 it would signal a return to bull status and likely a climb beyond the previous high of 5178. Failing to regain 3200 indicates a further substantial drop to as low as 2600. We did regain 3200 but it was a fake so I think the sky will continue falling for a time. Since it took us all of two days to drop from 3500 to 3000, I don't imagine a further drop to 2600 should take too awful long. Will that be it? That would wipe out nearly all of the ridiculous gains of the last year, but probably there will be an overshoot in selling, perhaps down to 2000 or so. China is celebrating the end of WW II this week with a huge parade, so they apparently bumped up stock prices a bit. In the lower chart below you can see how the Chinese markets are closed for two hours for lunch, and the last two days they ran up firmly at the end of the day - almost always a sure sign of intervention.


China published a water pollution prevention action plan in April, promising to improve water supplies in the world's most populous country and second largest economy after years of heavy pollution caused by industrial development. One-third of major Chinese river basins and 60 percent of its underground water is contaminated. Speaking at a meeting to discuss the country's efforts so far, vice premier Wang Yang said preventing water pollution remained a "formidable task". "Not only do we need a fundamental change in thinking about development and ways of development, but we also need technological breakthroughs as well as commitment and legal support," he told the meeting on Saturday.

Well, we all saw this coming. The stars of the reality television show "Sister Wives" are using the U.S. Supreme Court's recent same-sex marriage ruling to support their case against Utah's polygamy ban. A lower court found in their favor, and now their case is in appeal. "This case is about criminalization of consensual relations and there are 21st century cases rather than 19th century cases," attorney Jonathan Turley said in the 79-page filing. "It is clear that states can no longer use criminal codes to coerce or punish those who choose to live in consensual but unpopular unions." The Brown family and their 17 children, who formerly lived in Lehi, Utah but now are in Las Vegas, are members of the Apostolic United Brethren, a Utah-based church that follows plural marriage doctrine. The negative to this case: this will legitimize the hundreds of thousands of muslims Obama has taken in and their propensity for polygamy.

Science stuff: Physicists are very confused by the "fine-tuning" problem: it appears our entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge so that it can support life. For example, when we measure the universe although Einstein said it was curved, we find that it's exactly balanced between positive curvature (a sphere) and negative curvature (a horse-saddle). John Wheeler calculated that if the curvature differed from perfectly flat by even one part in a million then for positive curvature the universe would have ended in a Big Crunch only a million years or so after the Big Bang, and for negative curvature within a million years of the Big Bang the matter would be so dispersed that there would be no stars. Others look at different things. Here's a couple graphs I find fascinating. One is of the ratio of the electron mass to the proton mass verses the strength of the electromagnetic force. There's a very narrow band where we could live, and we're near the edge of it. If the electron were any heavier there would be no stable atoms or no stable protons or no stars at all, depending on the electromagnetic force. The second chart compares the strength of the strong force, which holds together the nucleus of the atom, with the electromagnetic force. There's a tiny white band visible near the lower left where chemistry is possible, we're near the edge again. If the strong force were any stronger the would be relativistic atoms (very bad) or unstable protons; if the electromagnetic force were much stronger there would be no stable carbon or no stable atoms. Scientists hate this stuff. All we can think of is either there's a God who turned the knobs and dials just so (no one likes that), or there's some organizing force which makes it come out like this ("Inflation" seems to solve the curvature problem but no one can prove it happened; no one has a clue about the other problems), or there are an infinite number of universes and we're in one of the few that can support life (Carl Sagan: seems like a waste of space).


Joke of the week: Last week I noted that the cheater's web site, Ashley Madison, was hacked and all their accounts posted to the net. Annalee Newlitz analyzed the data and found a lot of suspicious stuff. Nearly all the female accounts were fake, maintained by the company's employees. The hackers published info contained about 31 million accounts apparently belonging to men, and about 5 million apparently belonging to women. But when Newlitz dug deeper, she found three really damning pieces of data: 1) Only 1,492 of the women in the database had ever checked their messages on the site, compared to 20 million men. 2) Only 2,409 of the women had ever used the site's chat function, versus more than 11 million men. 3) Only 9,700 women had ever responded to a message from another person on the site, versus almost 6 million men. It's possible that most of the women signed up but never did anything. Newlitz wrote, "Ashley Madison is a site where tens of millions of men write mail, chat, and spend money for women who aren't there."
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Post by: dallasbear on August 31, 2015, 04:55:51 pm
The Denver Broncos shipped offensive tackle Chris Clark to the Houston Texans for a seventh-round pick in 2016. Clark will provide the Texans with depth behind starters Duane Brown and Derek Newton after Clark was deemed a poor fit in Gary Kubiak's offense in Denver.

I expect the Bears to be making a similar trade soon after they wade through the cuts (just to be clear the Bears would be the team sending the draft pick).
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Post by: boogie on August 31, 2015, 06:21:38 pm
What you don't think we could get a 7th round pick for Turnstyle Mills or Matador Leno???  LOL
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: davebear on September 01, 2015, 07:50:54 am
Why is it head coaches always seem to wear a jacket during these games in hot weather?

very strange.

I first noticed it with MCcarthy who alwys wears one regardless of the weather.

I've since seen most others do as well
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: 46 on September 01, 2015, 10:56:12 am
where else would you hide all the secret electronic equipment ?  Those coaches don't weigh that much to look that fat.
Title: Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
Post by: dallasbear on September 01, 2015, 12:00:33 pm

Except for McCarthy.
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Post by: packrat on September 01, 2015, 09:05:49 pm
Jim from Republic, MI

Hundley is starting to look like an NFL quarterback. It was fun to watch.

He’s big, athletic and has a strong arm, and he’s gaining confidence in the pocket. As his mechanics improve, so does his accuracy. The rest is teachable. Look at what Mike McCarthy has done with Scott Tolzien. The clay has to be good. Hundley appears to be good clay.
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Post by: packrat on September 01, 2015, 09:08:40 pm
Scott from Chapel Hill, NC

So, after the game this past weekend, I’m sure you are getting a huge reaction in your inbox. Do you see distinct differences in fan behavior between your time in Pittsburgh, Jacksonville and Green Bay? How well can you predict Packers fans now?

Packers fans are more acute in their reaction to defeat and injury, but they’re also more supportive of the team in hard times. That’s just the culture of being a Packers fan. It’s also part of their culture to be winsome, and I see example after example of it. There’s an innocence among Packers fans I haven’t seen anywhere else. I love to observe fans of all teams, and that’s especially true of Packers fans. Saturday night’s game wasn’t a classic. I can’t think of another fan base that would’ve stayed beyond the first quarter, let alone the first half, but Lambeau Field held its fans into the fourth quarter. It’s almost as though Packers fans feel an obligation to do that. TV would show faces in the crowd following a good play, and the fans were still cheering, still into the game emotionally. It amazes me.
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Post by: packrat on September 01, 2015, 09:10:18 pm
Martin from Tisovec, Slovakia

Vic, what is the best preseason you’ve covered?

I once asked Franco Harris how he knew he was having a good training camp. He said, “I don’t know. I’ve never had one.” The same is true for me about preseasons. I’ve never had a good one.
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Post by: packrat on September 01, 2015, 09:13:57 pm
Brad from Spirit Lake, IA

Vic, it seemed to me Vince Lombardi had an antipathy to losing. Did they have preseason games back in his day? If so, how did he handle them?

He played his starters deep into the game and he played to win. His preseason record as Packers coach is 42-8. He was 22-1 from 1960-63, and he had four undefeated preseasons as Packers coach. In his only season in Washington, where he inherited a 5-9 team, the Redskins were 5-1 in the preseason. That’s an all-time .855 winning percentage. He might be the winningest coach in preseason history. Today’s fans and media would’ve hated him. I can hear it now: Vince, should you have risked injury to Paul Hornung by playing him in this game? How do you think Lombardi would’ve reacted to that question? I wish one of today’s coaches would go off on this subject.
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Post by: packrat on September 01, 2015, 09:15:42 pm
Dave from Holmen, WI

What would I tell your readers that have already lost hope in the season before it even starts? Don’t focus on the destination (Super Bowl), enjoy the journey. It’s going to be a fun journey because like life, there are no guarantees.

If you don’t focus on the journey, you’ll get lost and never reach your destination.
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Post by: packrat on September 01, 2015, 09:18:36 pm
Mark from West Allis, WI

Although it’s great to hear Coach McCarthy speak after a game, I prefer to read his transcripts. I end up reading them in his voice. “Randall has a shoulder. Rajion is another young guy. Jeff did some things.” You’d think from those examples it’s a terse interview, but boy he has great insight into his football team; total command.

Coach McCarthy opened his press conference on Saturday night by describing the game as having been eclectic. I thought to myself, did I hear that right? Did he just describe a football game as being eclectic? Is my man from Greenfield going Marv Levy on me? It was the perfect description. It truly was an eclectic football game.
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Post by: packrat on September 01, 2015, 09:22:55 pm
Full Definition of ECLECTIC: 

1: selecting what appears to be best in various doctrines, methods, or styles


2:  composed of elements drawn from various sources; also :  heterogeneous
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Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2015, 09:33:28 pm
It was a pre-season game where your D and ST sucked ass!  It doesn't mean they will suck ass in the regular season but if I was a fan I would be worried.

Your O showed flashes but was not consistent.  That isn't bad missing the top two receivers and Rodgers while playing your rookie QB.

It was not a game you should be happy about.  However it was preseason and all you hope for is no injuries but you suffered those as well.

The Bears 3rd pre-season game was just as bad.  Bears D was pretty bad, the O not much better but the ST was pretty good.  Also lots of injuries.

If I had to guess right now the North will be a dog fight.  I don't think the best and worse team in this division is that far from one another.  Sadly I fear the Bears may very well be the worse in the division.  I think you have to give it to the Packers but the Lions and Vikings are a lot closer then most think.  Injuries as always decide the NFL.
   
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Post by: packrat on September 01, 2015, 09:36:29 pm
https://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/player-ratings

Madden Ratings.
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Post by: packrat on September 01, 2015, 09:42:49 pm
I really hope the Packers keep Abrederis on PS.
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Post by: packrat on September 01, 2015, 10:09:25 pm
 




 News now! Bakhtiari back to practice as camp closes
Posted by Vic Ketchman, packers.com editor on  September 1, 2015 – 1:38 pm 
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Post by: packrat on September 01, 2015, 10:20:26 pm
Packers tackle Bryan Bulaga left the field after suffering a concussion on Dec. 14 against Buffalo. He has returned to practice.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 04, 2015, 03:04:18 pm



 Little more than a week to go.
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Post by: packrat on September 04, 2015, 10:05:11 pm
Are you ready, jj?
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Post by: packrat on September 04, 2015, 10:25:40 pm
Chase from Sunnyvale, CA

How come the NFL didn’t provide all of the reports they had on Deflategate to the judge?

I don’t know the answer to that question, just as I don’t know what happened to Tom Brady’s cell phone and its text messages. I’m not sure the judge knows, either. This was a case loaded with supposition, and I believe that’s why the judge ruled as he did. It’s not the ruling that bothers me. It’s that the courts are now making the rules by which our game is played. That’s the precedent that was set in this matter. Who’ll be next to challenge the commissioner’s authority? What will be the far-reaching effects of this ruling? It bothers me most that leaguethink was damaged. This was the league fighting the league. It was not 32 teams acting as one. I saw it in 1977 in the “criminal element” case. It was one team suing another team for something its coach said. It was a divisive court case and it set the table for a decade of legal wrangling. We are losing the philosophy that made this league great. I feel sorry for the legacy of Pete Rozelle, and sad for the unity that was lost in a courtroom on Thursday.


Absolutely.  Another message: it pays to cheat.
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Post by: packrat on September 04, 2015, 10:27:41 pm
Vic, it’s here. Are you ready?

I am absolutely ready. I see a good football team. I see a challenging schedule. I already sense a degree of anxiety for the opener in Chicago. That’s how I know I’m ready.
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Post by: packrat on September 04, 2015, 10:30:26 pm
Jonas from Pembine, WI

Vic, after last night’s game, lots of teams are waiting for the Packers to make their cuts. We have a plethora of talented young players who, unfortunately, we will not be able to keep.

Every team has talented young players it wants to keep but can’t. The Packers will keep an eye on the players they have to release, just as every team in the league will stay in touch with the players they hated to cut. As players leave, they’ll provide contact information and they’ll be told to stay in shape. I have no doubt you’ll see some of these young players make their way back here. They’ll become part of what I like to call the Packers’ “street free agent roster.”
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Post by: packrat on September 04, 2015, 10:33:01 pm
John from Springfield, IL

Vic, I don’t see how anyone is worried about wide receiver. As long as Rodgers is at QB, there are no worries at the position. My concern is at CB. I have seen multiple times the rookies get beat bad. I know they just started in the NFL, but they are going to have to step up sooner rather than later. What is your biggest concern?

It’s not cornerback. I think the secondary is the deepest and most talented area on the defense. My concern is at linebacker. In a 3-4, they’re the stars of the show. Jayrone Elliott had a nice game last night and that eases some of my concern, but I need to see more young linebackers emerge. I need to see impact players at that position because the 3-4 requires impact from the linebacker positions.
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Post by: packrat on September 04, 2015, 10:34:47 pm
Trevor from Clearfield, PA

Out of all quarterbacks in the preseason that had more than 30 pass attempts, Brett Hundley has the highest passer rating in the NFL. Why do you think he fell so far in the draft?

It’s because teams made the mistake of seeing what he was instead of seeing what he can become. After playing well in 2013 and positioning himself as a possible high draft pick, his performance declined in 2014. That’s exactly what happened to Dan Marino and caused him to fall in the 1983 draft. The Packers got it right and it only cost them a fifth-round pick.


Nota Bene.
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Post by: packrat on September 04, 2015, 10:35:56 pm
Samuel from East Troy, WI

So, did head coach Vic sleep well after last night’s game?

Take away the Jordy Nelson injury and we’re chortling about the preseason. How many teams would like to eliminate one injury? The Packers are as ready as they can be. Defense will be a work in progress, but depth was developed at cornerback in this camp, and that is the most major of accomplishments.
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Post by: packrat on September 04, 2015, 10:38:16 pm
Paul from Hayama, Japan

Can you share any insights on what or how coaching and support staff are evaluated during training camp and the preseason games? We get caught up in player evaluations, but I assume all of the coaches/staff are being evaluated as well.

You make this sound as though it’s “Team IBM.” I’ve never known coaches and support staff to be evaluated during training camp and the preseason. They’re evaluated during the regular season. The scoreboard provides the evaluation.
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Post by: packrat on September 04, 2015, 10:39:21 pm
Mark from Wheaton, IL

Mike McCarthy said it will realistically take 2-3 weeks for the defense to establish its identity. What do you think the defense’s identity will be?

I think the defense’s early-season identity will be that of a unit playing a lot of people as it attempts to find a repeating lineup. I don’t see a true starting lineup right now. I see a lot of players competing for playing time.
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Post by: packrat on September 04, 2015, 10:41:07 pm
Ezra from Brisbane, Australia

Have we just seen Hundley overtake Tolzien as the new No. 2 QB? Tolzien played it safe and didn’t test his arm, whereas Hundley took the game on. More importantly, is it too soon to name either QB as Rodgers’ replacement?




I’m giving you a speeding ticket, and one for reckless driving, too. You know what cracks me up? My inbox has been full of people telling me preseason games are meaningless, but today’s inbox is full of people gaga about Hundley’s performance last night. So, when a player is lost to injury, it was in a meaningless preseason game, but when a player throws four touchdown passes in a preseason game, it’s meaningful. Which is it
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Post by: packrat on September 04, 2015, 10:55:22 pm
“Ready or not, here it comes. We’ll get going on Chicago on Monday. We were able to get some preliminary work done in training camp; that’s a benefit,” McCarthy said.

The Packers would seem to be set at the quarterback position for the present and the future, following strong summers by Scott Tolzien and Hundley. The latter began spring drills as a quarterback in need of grooming. He exits the preseason groomed.

“Brett Hundley is a heckuva football player,” said McCarthy, renowned for his work in developing quarterbacks. “I always enjoyed watching him on TV when he played at UCLA. He came here and wanted to do things right. He fully understood the opportunities in front of him. He’s picked it up quickly. The last two weeks have been huge for Brett.”

Hundley completed 16 of 23 passes for 246 yards, four touchdowns and a 142.4 passer rating. He completed the preseason having thrown seven touchdown passes against just one interception.

“I feel like I’ve put together a great preseason, and I’m just ready to keep working, keep learning. I still have a lot to learn. I’ve only been in the league for a couple of months, but I have a lot of faith and confidence in my ability,” Hundley said...
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Post by: packrat on September 04, 2015, 11:04:58 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-game-recap/article-1/Young-players-score-win-for-the-future/235a72c9-7a49-46fd-a437-5733a61ecbb5

Hundley to Pinkard.
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Post by: packrat on September 04, 2015, 11:08:06 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-game-recap/article-1/Young-players-score-win-for-the-future/235a72c9-7a49-46fd-a437-5733a61ecbb5

Hundley to Janis.
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Post by: dallasbear on September 05, 2015, 01:21:15 pm

Wow, I guess that makes Hundley the preseason MVP!  Whoo hoo.
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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2015, 11:43:43 am
Goodell and a lot of NFL teams are still wrangling with Belichick and Brady.  Those two guys are plain and simply weasels.
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Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 08, 2015, 04:28:30 pm



 Packy,


 Your thoughts on the NFL in Week One ?
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Post by: packrat on September 08, 2015, 07:21:00 pm
I think that their will be a re-shuffling of the league standings for many teams.  It's a new season.
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Post by: dallasbear on September 09, 2015, 10:23:11 am

A re-shuffling of Biblical proportions?

"So the last will be first, and the first will be last."
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Post by: Sportster on September 09, 2015, 10:28:00 am
There needs to be. Would be nice to see some different teams in it for a change.....
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Post by: packrat on September 09, 2015, 07:56:42 pm
A re-shuffling of Biblical proportions?

"So the last will be first, and the first will be last."

I dunno.  Looks like it could be a crazy season.
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Post by: packrat on September 09, 2015, 08:01:32 pm
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/John-Fox-giving-Bears-new-energy/57dec8f3-3e0e-4694-ac9c-ee9ec60f4ce9

Fox and Cutler interviewed.
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Post by: packrat on September 09, 2015, 08:23:16 pm

 Weston Hodkiewicz
✔  ‎@WesHod 
Former #Packers WR Myles White is signing onto the #Giants practice squad
7:51 PM - 9 Sep 2015

Soooo--Swap Jones for White.
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Post by: packrat on September 09, 2015, 08:41:30 pm
9. John Fox won't fix Jay Cutler

Because no one can.

That is what John Fox will realize, and after this season, the Bears will cut Jay Cutler. They'll have had enough. Can't blame them.

Then, I wouldn't be shocked to see Cutler end up as a backup in New England or Philadelphia.

 

10. Tom Brady will retire

And we come full circle, back to the man at the center of the biggest story of the offseason.

Brady is 38 years old. If he wins a Super Bowl, he will have won a historic case against the NFL and captured his fifth championship. What else would there be for him to do? He is, to me, already the best quarterback ever. Another title would further cement that.

Even if Brady reaches the Super Bowl and loses to the Packers, he will have reached his seventh Super Bowl, which would be, well, pretty amazing in its own right.

Part of these calculations will be—here's that word again—Deflategate. The NFL's appeal will keep moseying through the system and could take months. Theoretically, it's possible the NFL wins after the season has already unfolded, and the four-game suspension would come next season.

That's what somewhat occurred in the infamous StarCaps case. That took years to resolve. I don't think Brady's case will take that long, but it certainly could last the season.

I think if Brady reaches another Super Bowl, he'll realize he's done everything, and he won't let the Deflategate court case hang over his head. Brady will want to control his own future, not allow the NFL to do it. He'll walk away as the best ever, and then the Jimmy Garoppolo era will begin.

 Mike Freeman covers the NFL for Bleacher Report.
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Post by: wmljohn on September 10, 2015, 07:15:10 am
Mike Freeman = Retard.

He doesn't even follow the crap he writes? 

#9 says the Bears will cut Jay at the end of the year and he ends up as a back up in NE or Phil?

#10 says Brady will retire at the end of the year and the Jimmy Garoppolo era will begin?

Unless he thinks that Cutler would be backing up Garoppolo....
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Post by: dallasbear on September 10, 2015, 09:34:55 am

I'm hoping the deflatgate chatter ends when the NFL season begins.

NFL needs to just drop it - they've instituted their financial and draft choice fines.  Move on.