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Title: Today's Game - 2011
Post by: Dave23 on August 22, 2011, 09:59:33 am
Football!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 10:02:26 am
Indeed...  the only Bears preseason game I'm able to watch in my area, and will be doing so with full attention.

Can't wait to hear the ESPN talking heads slurp all over Manning while slagging Cutler.  Though I doubt either of those QBs will see much action tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on August 22, 2011, 10:06:19 am
I'd love to see Cutler get to safely play a quarter and keep his Jersey clean and the Gnats pull Manning after 1 series because his is dirty :-)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on August 22, 2011, 10:39:39 am
Guys to watch:
all offensive lineman
ROY WILLIAMS
Gholston (is he good enough to put Wooten on IR)
Paea (he needs to stop standing up at the snap)
Marcus Harrison (unless he can play some DE it will be hard for him to make this team)
Major Wright (we know he can tackle...)
Josh Moore (tackle somebody)
Chris Contie (tackle somebody)
Hurd (we know he can play special teams)
Sanzenbacher and Kris Adams (one of these 2 could make the roster)
Dom DeCicco (can he win the 6th LB spot?)
Khalil Bell (does he take Chester Taylor's job?)
Harvey Unga (does he make the team or is he off to the PS?)
Kyle Adams and Andre Smith (if we keep 4 TEs one of these might stick)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 22, 2011, 12:35:26 pm
OMG! A todays game thread! The 46 is all aquiver! Football! Beer! hdtv! Beer! Annoucers grudgingly admitting the Bears can win 2-3 games! Beer!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 12:42:20 pm
OMG! A todays game thread! The 46 is all aquiver! Football! Beer! hdtv! Beer! Annoucers grudgingly admitting the Bears can win 2-3 games! Beer!

No, same as always they'll talk about our "world class defense" and our shi-tty QB -- even though neither of those is true.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on August 22, 2011, 02:03:40 pm
Nope...They will be discussing the 9 first half sacks from last years game and a turnstyle at LT.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on August 22, 2011, 02:13:39 pm

How old is your left tackle, Clifton?  35?  Is this the season his knees finally go?

 He missed just a handful of games in 2009 and Rodgers was sacked 50 times. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on August 22, 2011, 02:28:19 pm
Yes Chad Clifton is a 12-year pro and 35. The packers are holding him out alot this preseason to reduce the wear on his knees, but he is not a turnstyle at LT.

Its not 2009 and we are coming off a SB win with him as the LT starter. Backing him up is thrid year player T.J. Lang and rookie Derek Sherrod. The packer will be fine. The bears however if webb continues to be a turnstyle are in trouble because no plan B is in place other than a major resuffling of the line.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 02:33:38 pm
Based on what I've been reading, Sherrod is not ready for prime time... at least at OT, yet.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on August 22, 2011, 02:56:21 pm
Like alot of rookies the owner lockout hurt them. It doesn't bother me in the least bit that a 3rd year player is pushing him to learn.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on August 22, 2011, 03:31:02 pm
Yes Chad Clifton is a 12-year pro and 35. The packers are holding him out alot this preseason to reduce the wear on his knees, but he is not a turnstyle at LT.

Its not 2009 and we are coming off a SB win with him as the LT starter. Backing him up is thrid year player T.J. Lang and rookie Derek Sherrod. The packer will be fine. The bears however if webb continues to be a turnstyle are in trouble because no plan B is in place other than a major resuffling of the line.

As a troll on this forum I probably shouldn't even respond to you but I will.  You are mistaken about our plan B for Webb.  No major reshuffling - Omiyale, our starter from last year, would be inserted into the lineup.  Carimi would probably maintain his RT spot.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on August 22, 2011, 03:46:58 pm
Webb is just tops on the list of poor performances on the O-Line. Lance Louis anyone....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on August 22, 2011, 04:47:33 pm
WM, got a link for the game tonight on the web??
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 04:49:31 pm
Why would you need a link on the web?  It is Monday Night Football everyone in America gets the game.  Unless you are stuck at work in which case it sucks to be you!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 04:52:37 pm
Why would you need a link on the web?  It is Monday Night Football everyone in America gets the game.  Unless you are stuck at work in which case it sucks to be you!

Or unless you don't have cable. Can't get MNF over the air since they went to ESPN.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 04:59:01 pm
Who doesn't have cable?  Seriously?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on August 22, 2011, 05:01:25 pm
Even people who don't have money have cable.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 05:21:10 pm
I have never met a welfare recipient that did not have at least basic cable and they usually had a lot more.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on August 22, 2011, 05:44:26 pm
Gotta use your food stamps more wisely?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 06:38:32 pm
I haven't had cable for 2 years.  Don't miss it a bit.

Got a sports bar down the street for football, free DVDs from the library when the missus wants to watch a movie, and Internet for everything else.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 06:42:08 pm
So no HD?  That would suck!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 06:42:48 pm
One visit to a sports bar for a game would pay for my cable bill for the month.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 06:43:31 pm
HD at the sports bar. I don't watch enough other TV that it really matters.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 06:44:44 pm
One visit to a sports bar for a game would pay for my cable bill for the month.

Heh-heh, yeah...  I definitely did the math on that before we pulled the plug.  But in our case I come out ahead.  I don't drink that much when I go out, my local bar has good specials and our cable bills were through the roof.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 06:50:03 pm
Well here it is...  first test of the preseason against a legitimate playoff caliber team.

BEAR DOWN!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 22, 2011, 06:52:04 pm
We have an HD receiver but no HD reception. We might get that fixed this week.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 22, 2011, 06:55:58 pm
Jesus, enough of the panning of Cutler. Pricks.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 06:59:17 pm
Haters going to hate.

Cutler and the Bears have to prove them all wrong this year and win it all.

But yeah let's bag on a QB that led his team to the NFL Championship game.  It is ESPN get used to it they only love East Coast teams.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 22, 2011, 07:00:00 pm
Gotta love Ditka. Gotta.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JeffH on August 22, 2011, 07:04:33 pm
"Protected" as he is by the NFL's worst offensive line, will Jay Cutler actually die on the field tonight or merely suffer a season-ending injury?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 22, 2011, 07:09:15 pm
I don't believe it. At my age, wound up like a 2 dollar watch for a preseason game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JeffH on August 22, 2011, 07:13:29 pm
Is Roy Williams the worst wide receiver in NFL history?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 22, 2011, 07:15:11 pm
what a goof.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: AZSteve on August 22, 2011, 07:17:04 pm
ugh
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 07:20:00 pm
Peppers is a beast!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JeffH on August 22, 2011, 07:20:27 pm
Johnny Knox is to Roy Williams as Welington Castillo/Steve Clevenger is to Koyie Hill.

"I'm behind this fuckstick on the depth chart?  WTF?"
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 07:20:59 pm
Defense looks decent.

Offense and STs are terrible.

Not impressed by Podlesh or Roy Williams at all.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 07:25:04 pm
Williams I get two catchable balls and two non-catches at the marker.

But why be down on the Punter?  He is doing what Toub wants.  Which is kicking it a decent distance but not allowing a return.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 07:25:40 pm
Roy Williams is brutal.

Two balls right on the money on 3rd down and didn't come up with either of them.

Next, please.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 22, 2011, 07:25:50 pm
I already think Roy needs to get back on the bus.  So far, he's not all that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 07:26:41 pm
I didn't think it was possible but this offense is worse than last year.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JeffH on August 22, 2011, 07:27:20 pm
Giants manhandling and humiliating the Bears.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JeffH on August 22, 2011, 07:34:13 pm
It's a blowout now.  The lead is insurmountable.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 07:35:00 pm
This looks like the exact same Bears team as last year's.

I don't see any improvement anywhere.

Average STs, terrible offense with no playmakers and a D that makes some good plays but can't do it all by itself.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 07:35:10 pm
What game are some of you guys watching?

The Bears have been playing just fine.  Other then Roy Williams who should have caught at least one of those (but by no means were both easy catches) I see no reason to ****.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 22, 2011, 07:40:41 pm
GAH! Where'd that come from?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 07:43:02 pm
The O-line is doing it's job.  That alone is reason celebrate.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 07:43:43 pm
Good to see Martz is as brain-dead as ever in the red zone.

You've got a 6'7 TE and you're throwing to a 5'10 KR.  Nice.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 07:44:24 pm
The O-line is doing it's job.  That alone is reason celebrate.

Agreed on that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 07:48:59 pm
Only 1 quarter gone and our D is already gassed.

Whip those boys into shape already, Lovie.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 07:52:45 pm
Wow Major Wright looked like a high schooler on that TD run.

Well at least our O gets to practice playing from behind.  That will come in handy come the regular season.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 07:57:41 pm
Get Cutler out of there NOW.

The OL is failing and our WRs didn't show up.

8-8 seems like a generous projection based on what I'm seeing tonight. This team has way more work to do than time to do it, and not enough talent [still] in any event.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JeffH on August 22, 2011, 08:07:00 pm
8-8?  LOL!  4-12.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 08:17:11 pm
I'm astounded how bad our red zone offense is.

Just brutally bad. We can't do anything once we get to the 20.

The scariest thing is, the Giants aren't even close to the best team we'll face this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 08:23:14 pm
This just in...

This is the second pre-season game.  No need to panic.  There has been significant improvement from game one to game two.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on August 22, 2011, 08:23:25 pm
Like I said about Royboy.....no clue why they picked the guy up. Delusionally hopeful I guess....they SHOULD have focused more on the Oline. Draft wideouts and Oline....but they'd rather have half a frigging team of Dlinemen.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JeffH on August 22, 2011, 08:23:26 pm
Jerry Angelo is a disgrace.  One of the very worst NFL GMs in the history of the league.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on August 22, 2011, 08:24:48 pm
Earl Bennett is a football player.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JeffH on August 22, 2011, 08:27:11 pm
Earl Bennett is a football player.

Don't worry - he'll be weeded out of the organization before too long.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 22, 2011, 08:28:11 pm
Cute.  special teams in the tank. Cute.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 08:32:38 pm
LOL, way to finish that 1st half strong.

All facets of this team FAIL.

Hester looks like total sh*t. How anyone can think he's still anything more than a #4 WR is beyond me.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 08:34:04 pm
This just in...

There has been significant improvement from game one to game two.

Not having seen Game 1 but I find that very hard to believe. This is a really bad football team I've been watching for the last hour and a half.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 08:36:20 pm
Why is Cutler still in the game?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 08:38:19 pm
Why is Cutler still in the game?

I'm wondering the same thing. With the exception of the one throw late in the 2nd quarter, his throws have been spot on.

He clearly doesn't need the work... or the risk.  The rest of the offense is another story and especially the WRs.  They're baa..aa..d.

Looks like we're gonna be missing Maynard too. A lot.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JeffH on August 22, 2011, 08:39:09 pm
Because Jim Hendry hired on as QB coach?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on August 22, 2011, 08:40:30 pm
Cutler has looked good.  Good things the Bears once again passed on the bevy of available receivers.  Seriously, wtf?  Why are they so obstinate about investing in the position?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JeffH on August 22, 2011, 08:42:01 pm
Because they're a horrible organization?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 08:42:41 pm
Cutler has looked good.  Good things the Bears once again passed on the bevy of available receivers.  Seriously, wtf?  Why are they so obstinate about investing in the position?

Because Lovie still thinks Devin Hester is a legitimate NFL WR and Martz is not allowed to disagree with him cause Lovie's the HC.

I know it's not popular to sympathize with Jay Cutler but if you can't feel for the guy after looking at this sh*t that Angelo and the coaches have surrounded him with, you simply don't have a heart.  The Bears are wasting the most talented QB in franchise history by saddling him with a moron of an OC and not getting him a good supporting cast.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on August 22, 2011, 09:00:28 pm
LOL!  Occam's Razor.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 09:16:11 pm
Nice.  Getting our ass-es handed to us by the same team that did the same thing to us in primetime last year too. 

For once could we see some pride on this Bears team... just once?  The Bears don't have much talent outside of Cutler, Forte, Briggs and Peppers but I've got to think if they at least had a coach like Coughlin maybe we'd come to play at least. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 22, 2011, 09:20:48 pm
oy. bad to worse.   
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on August 22, 2011, 09:22:29 pm
Not sweating this game at all.

My concern was to see the OL pass block and they did well overall.

Webb held his own and Carimi did very well against Tuck.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: VJ on August 22, 2011, 09:29:18 pm
Ditto.  It's just one game.  One preseason game.  The OL improved a little.  I'd like to see Roy fed the ball some more in the next game even though he failed on 2 3rd down conversions. 

ST breakdowns are correctible.  They more than helped the Gnats to 14 points.

Could be worse.  NY just lost a starting CB for season.  No injuries on our side as far as I know.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on August 22, 2011, 09:34:51 pm
Jesus who is #62 whiffing on the block.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 22, 2011, 09:35:09 pm
Webb is being owned
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 22, 2011, 09:35:38 pm
meh. Roy still needs to go. Away.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 09:35:52 pm
I agree with Dave and VJ.  The O-line did their job and I was not seeing the tackles getting a lot of help.  That was my biggest concern.

The Bears do not game plan in pre-season so winning them is just a cherry on top.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 09:37:12 pm
It's very easy to see now why Martz was available to us.

The offense is beyond atrocious, especially in the red zone.  It's as flabby and soft as Martz' old-lady body.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: VJ on August 22, 2011, 09:41:36 pm
Aroma and Cutler clicked right away a couple years ago.  It shouldn't take so long for Roy to do the same if he's got the goods.  But yeah my patience is quickly growing thin with him.

Force feed him a bit during the next game and see what happens.  That's what the preseason is for.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on August 22, 2011, 09:47:33 pm
In what little ther is to see Conte is always around the ball.
Looks to have the athleticism to be a good safety.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 22, 2011, 09:52:48 pm
34 pts and still 8min to go.   Swell.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: VJ on August 22, 2011, 09:57:07 pm
I gotta hedge a little bit...

34 points, national TV, David fuucking Carr, MBIII not being able to score inside the 5...

It is starting to annoy a little bit me too...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 10:08:14 pm
I think I figured it out...

We're hiding all the plays in the playbook that actually score points, until the regular season.

Yeah, that's it.  :-\
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 10:09:17 pm
Jesus who is #62 whiffing on the block.

Josh Asiata. He won't be around much longer, I hope.

But hey that offense is a real thing of beauty, ain't it?  16 points total in two games. Doesn't get much better than that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 10:11:12 pm
We go through this every single pre-season.  The Bears D does nothing special in pre-season.  They do not game plan.  Lovie does not care if they win or lose.

The Bears always put players in one on one situations so they can evaluate while the other team game plans and trys to win.  Coughlin was about ready to blow a gasket with veins popping out of his head on every challenge.

Toub will have his guys ready to play once he has decided who his guys are.  Right now he has half the team  and a lot of rookies on special teams.  Our defense is going to be awesome I am not worried that they will be giving up 41 points a game.  It is not even a concern for me in the least.

Cutler looked good and so did the O-line.  As they go so will this team.

 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 10:13:09 pm
Well I hope Lovie and the boys enjoyed their little field trip to the Big Apple.  They certainly weren't there to play football.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 22, 2011, 10:13:39 pm
I wonder what the Bears spin doctors will have to say about this loss. " Well we only gave up 40 pts" "We did some things well and there are some things we still need to work on" "This game didnt count in the standings" "We only gave up 500 yards on the ground"
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 22, 2011, 10:15:38 pm
The Bears always put players in one on one situations so they can evaluate while the other team game plans and trys to win. 

The evaluation I've reached on our players is that we need a lot more of them who are better than the ones we've got.

Blockers whiffing blocks, WRs not catching balls, defenders not tackling...  those have nothing to do with gameplanning and everything to do with talent.

Man for man, the Giants' players are far ahead of the Bears in ability, conditioning and game focus and that was very apparent tonight. Lovie needs to step up the intensity cause this team has none and they don't have the talent to get by without it.   
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 22, 2011, 10:23:09 pm
I am guessing the Giants would trade this win for no injurys in a heart beat.  The Bears had no injuries.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 22, 2011, 10:49:45 pm

 Well at least the final score was close.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: ben on August 22, 2011, 11:27:05 pm
We may start 0-4, but i wouldn't worry about this loss...Giants have more to worry about given the loss of their #1 CB!   Brutal!

NO game planning, whereas Giants blitzed etc.   Game was close until Peppers and Urlacher exited.

Cutler looked MUCH sharper than a year ago starting in Martz' offense and the O-line was ok.   

Major Wright whiffed on a couple key runs...we STILL look weak at FS...but that shouldn't be news at this point.

Roy Williams sure looked crappy...sure hope he improves with more reps...if not, cut him!

We got KILLED on special teams, but none of us should reasonably expect that in the regular season.

Not a bad game overall...it's the freaking exhibition season.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: wizard61 on August 22, 2011, 11:32:41 pm
yapper, we won't show anything in a practice -- why would we?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on August 23, 2011, 12:05:35 am
Peke

Buffing that turd ain't going to put a shine on it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on August 23, 2011, 12:43:45 am
You guys are hilarious.  Last season the Bears didn't win not ONE pre-season game but we were within a game of the Super Bowl.

This is pre-season.  I'm not going to fret until the regular season if they perform like this again.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on August 23, 2011, 12:57:27 am
Phil34

Last year the bears beat only three teams with a winning record. See anything that will change that?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on August 23, 2011, 06:19:43 am
yeah, I'm still sore that we didn't appear to go all out to beat GB in that last game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 23, 2011, 06:33:14 am
Phil34

Last year the bears beat only three teams with a winning record. See anything that will change that?

Clay Matthews suspension for HGH, and a 4th concussion for Rodgers...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on August 23, 2011, 07:58:18 am
I would agree that we're probably a better team than what we showed last night. But, some of that was brutal..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 23, 2011, 08:03:10 am
We couldnt beat Illinois playing like that
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 08:17:33 am
Here are my grades for last night.

STARTING OFFENSE - D
Cutler looks much better and the OL is rounding into form. That's about it for the positives. The air game was brutal...  Roy Williams and Hester failed multiple times each on clutch plays, and Knox and Kellen Davis were invisible. The much ballyhooed improved ground game was nowhere in evidence. Red zone playcalling and execution were both dreadful.

SCRUB OFFENSE - C-minus
They scored a TD, which is more than the starters could do. But our 2nd-team O-Linemen wouldn't even be on a good team's roster.

STARTING DEFENSE - C-minus
Marginally improved pass rush offset by terrible coverage and bad tackling. It doesn't appear we have anyone in the D-Backfield except Tillman who can cover and nobody but Tim Jennings that can tackle. Major Wright did not look like starting material and as much as I never thought I'd say it, I think we'll be missing Danieal Manning sooner than later.

SCRUB DEFENSE - F
We are really screwed if any of our D starters go down cause these guys are awful. Can't think of a single guy on this unit who really looked like he belonged on an NFL field. Okoye, maybe. Paea and Gholston were non-factors and Conte may have athleticism but he looks totally lost out there.

SPECIAL TEAMS - D
The only thing that keeps this from being lower is the 6 points from our FG unit.  Punting....  yikes. Neither of our P's have any leg, coverage was bad and the blocked punt was inexcusable.  Kickoff returns were a non-factor but I lay that on the NFL rule change more than our team.

BOTTOM LINE
Lazy, sloppy and embarrassing showing by a team that appears to have lost more good players than they've gained.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 23, 2011, 08:24:10 am
That appears accurate to me
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 23, 2011, 08:39:08 am
Is Roy at the Greyhound stop in Tulsa? On his way back to "the big D"? Getting a couple of breakfast burritos with mild sauce? And a coffee? What a Jamoke.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 08:47:57 am
I can't see Cutler ever developing much chemistry with Roy Williams.  He (Roy) is completely untrustworthy.

With Greg Olsen gone and Earl Bennett apparently not in the starting rotation, Cutler is hosed anytime he needs a clutch reception.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on August 23, 2011, 09:05:10 am
How many series did Peppers play? Urlacher? Briggs? Chill out guys. These games are for evaluting players and not worrying about the score or winning. The big question mark going in was the o-line and they looked much better. It was only the 2nd game after a practically non-existant training camp and no off season meetings. Give the new guys time to gel before you wave the white flag.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on August 23, 2011, 09:07:48 am
Only saw the first half, but yikes.  Just like last year, 3rd and 15 and we give up a 20 yard pass.  I mean come on man.  As much as I didnt see Iwuh do anything wrong, I think if Lance Briggs was there they may have been a little better.  And when Urlacher and Peppers left things got a lot looser.  Hester had a nice catch but lost his balance and went out of bounds.  Plus a couple of drops.  And Roy Williams, looks like we got the Cowboys version not the Lions version.  This could be a very long season if they play like that all year. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 09:10:56 am
It was only the 2nd game after a practically non-existant training camp and no off season meetings. Give the new guys time to gel before you wave the white flag.

Uh, the Giants had the same non-existent training camp and no offseason meetings.  And by the looks of things they have a lot of new guys on their team too, including new WRs and new O-Linemen, same as us. Yet they appeared to be in mid-season form.  A lot of that comes down to talent, but it's also coaching and culture.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on August 23, 2011, 09:13:07 am
They're also missing their starting CB, leading tackler, and leading interceptor for the season.

Sometimes, going all out in a week 2 preseason game isn't the best idea...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 09:16:12 am
What bothers me the most is that as much as their 1st stringers whipped our 1st stringers, the difference in talent between their scrubs and our scrubs was even more pronounced.

Once you get past the starting 11 on each side of the Bears' roster, our depth looked really really bad last night.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 09:26:46 am
Sanzabacher looked OK and I can see why people like the kid.  He's really small and not very fast but he seems to know what's going on out on the field.  I don't foresee him having a real long NFL career due to his physical limitations but he showed me enough that I think we need to try and find a place for him. We need another Tom Waddle type on this team and he could be the one.

Kris Adams...  meh.  I was expecting more based on the raves from training camp.  Yeah he's tall but so what. There's a lot of tall WRs in the NFL that don't play up to their size and he just looked like one of those to me last night.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 23, 2011, 11:11:52 am
Did anybody see a Fantuz sighting?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on August 23, 2011, 11:14:17 am
very late in the game...about 4 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on August 23, 2011, 11:15:27 am
He caught a pass late.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 23, 2011, 11:16:41 am
Bet he gets cut. I had high hopes for him before the lockout ended.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 11:48:25 am
I actually can't fault Angelo for the Fantuz signing.  At least he was thinking outside the box. It's not like we're really out that much if we cut  him. It would have been great if he worked out but oh well.

Beats the heck out of cutting 2nd and 3rd round draft picks. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2011, 12:06:57 pm
Welcome to over-reaction Tuesday!   Pekin and Phil were for the most part spot on for their remarks...most of the rest of you....spot-off.

Offensively, our 2 pressing concerns in the offseason on offense were O-line and wide receiver.  O-line did a pretty good job.  Webb for the most part held his own - he had a couple semi-whiffs but none led to a QB sack.  Carimi had another solid game.  Both Lance Louis and Chris Williams did a decent job too.  They both need more work considering they are lining up next to new guys.  Garza did well pass blocking but I saw him whiff on a pull.   I think these same guys live to play another week.

Now to the WRs.  I said prior to the season that Roy Williams and Devin Hester could put the Bears at the top of the most passes dropped list.

Hester is amazingly talented but amazingly inconsistent.  Makes a nice catch on a wide open pass along the sideline (though he did lose his balance and step out of bounds).  Then follows that up with 3 bonehead plays:  trips over his feet on an out pattern that would have went for a TD, drops another TD pass on the same series, and makes a bad decision not to follow his blockers on a screen and gets hit with a 5 yard loss.  More times than not those screens and end arounds to Hester flat out don't work.

You love the big play potential but you need a WR you can trust too.

That brings me to Roy Williams.   He's show the inconsistency of Hester but not the talent...yet.   I think he'll get better with time but he is currently NOT beating out Johnny Knox at split end.

And if you noticed last night Knox was not playing with the 1s meaning he's behind Roy, Hester and Bennett.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on August 23, 2011, 01:07:21 pm
Phil34

Last year the bears beat only three teams with a winning record. See anything that will change that?

The year BEFORE the majority of the team's the Bears played HAD winning records going into last season.  They can't control how they turned out in 2010.  That's a weak answer.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2011, 01:19:59 pm

Not counting the playoffs but during the regular season the Packers beat FOUR teams with winning records.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 01:26:52 pm
Dallas, do you think we have a better team player-for-player this year than we did last year?  In other words, after adding Roy Williams, Barber, Okoye, Gholston, Spencer, Spaeth and this year's rookies... and subtracting Manu, Tommie Harris, Danieal Manning, Greg Olsen, Kreutz, Aromashadu, etc...  are we net positive for talent, or negative?

On paper it would appear we've improved significantly but on the field it's been a different story.  Carimi is definitely an upgrade at RT...  Spaeth is a better blocking TE than Manu...  Barber is better than Taylor (who I assume he will displace).  Other than that... 

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on August 23, 2011, 01:37:19 pm
On the field the players have to BRING it - team chemistry and desire can swing the talent either way - positive or negative - or injuries
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2011, 01:46:43 pm
Here are my grades for last night.

STARTING OFFENSE - D
Cutler looks much better and the OL is rounding into form. That's about it for the positives. The air game was brutal...  Roy Williams and Hester failed multiple times each on clutch plays, and Knox and Kellen Davis were invisible. The much ballyhooed improved ground game was nowhere in evidence. Red zone playcalling and execution were both dreadful.

SCRUB OFFENSE - C-minus
They scored a TD, which is more than the starters could do. But our 2nd-team O-Linemen wouldn't even be on a good team's roster.

STARTING DEFENSE - C-minus
Marginally improved pass rush offset by terrible coverage and bad tackling. It doesn't appear we have anyone in the D-Backfield except Tillman who can cover and nobody but Tim Jennings that can tackle. Major Wright did not look like starting material and as much as I never thought I'd say it, I think we'll be missing Danieal Manning sooner than later.

SCRUB DEFENSE - F
We are really screwed if any of our D starters go down cause these guys are awful. Can't think of a single guy on this unit who really looked like he belonged on an NFL field. Okoye, maybe. Paea and Gholston were non-factors and Conte may have athleticism but he looks totally lost out there.

SPECIAL TEAMS - D
The only thing that keeps this from being lower is the 6 points from our FG unit.  Punting....  yikes. Neither of our P's have any leg, coverage was bad and the blocked punt was inexcusable.  Kickoff returns were a non-factor but I lay that on the NFL rule change more than our team.

BOTTOM LINE
Lazy, sloppy and embarrassing showing by a team that appears to have lost more good players than they've gained.

Comments on:

STARTING OFFENSE:   Knox was invisible in the 1st half cuz he was on the bench.  As for Davis being invisible - get used to it.  He won't be split out as frequently as Olsen was and I'd bet he's not targeted as frequently.  Not saying he can't have a decent year but I think Martz had to draw up special plays to get Olsen into the game plan.  I don't think he will be that accomodating with Davis and Spaeth. 

SCRUB OFFENSE - I liked the young RT..is that Levi Horn...#79?

STARTING DEFENSE - I thought the DBs played the pass OK.  Didn't see Manningham or Nicks or their starting TEs do much of anything.  Wright took a bad angle - it happens.  Chris Harris did the same thing last PS too...several times.  I thought Roach and Iwuh looked good.  DTs were invisible.  Peppers was a beast.

SCRUB DEFENSE - Not much there last night.

SPECIAL TEAMS - Abysmal...like last PS.   Toub will fix what can be fixed.  Not sure about the KO returns...remains to be seen if every KO will be returned.

BOTTOM LINE
O-line looked decent, Cutler was sharp, no injuries...biggest concern is getting Roy Williams going.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: VJ on August 23, 2011, 01:48:24 pm
Spencer may be an upgrade over Kreutz...if he was lined up next to Garza.

If he stays healthy, Wright has the talent and instincts to be an upgrade over Manning.

Olsen?  Wait till the next draft?  He wasn't perfect.  He wasn't the prototypical blocking TE that Martz wanted, but he made plays.

Roy hasn't proven he can be as dependable a pass catcher as Aroma during the little time he was on the field.

It won't take much for Okoye or Melton or Paea to have a bigger impact than Tommie.

Carimi is well on his way to being a fixture at RT and haven't heard much about Chris Williams at LG...which is a good thing.

Yapper would be a upgrade over Manu.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 02:03:30 pm
As for Davis being invisible - get used to it.  He won't be split out as frequently as Olsen was and I'd bet he's not targeted as frequently.  Not saying he can't have a decent year but I think Martz had to draw up special plays to get Olsen into the game plan. 

It really *****d me off when Martz called those two worthless plays to Hester down on the goal line. The first one he fell down and the second one he dropped even though the ball was perfectly placed.  At least one of those plays should have been a pass to Kellen Davis and I can only hope that's one of those plays they're keeping hidden for the regular season.

STARTING DEFENSE - I thought the DBs played the pass OK.  Didn't see Manningham or Nicks or their starting TEs do much of anything. 

That Cruz kid ate us up. D.J. Moore just looked stupid on that one play where Cruz went up and got it and Moore didn't even turn around. He's been in the league long enough he should know how to defend that play but then our DB coach isn't very good so that's not a real surprise I guess.  Tillman and Jennings played pretty well and Corey Graham showed some good stuff with the 2s but the rest of our DBs did not impress, either in pass coverage or run support.

As for Spencer, it looked like he did OK but by the time he was at C the Giants were playing their scrubs so it's kind of hard to grade him out. I do know that the interior of our starting OL is much stouter with Garza at C and it was nice to see Cutler actually able to step up into the pocket a couple of times. I found our run blocking to still be a bit lacking though. In any event the Giants have a Top 5 DL so it's good our OL got that test early on.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on August 23, 2011, 02:14:10 pm
Dallas, do you think we have a better team player-for-player this year than we did last year?  In other words, after adding Roy Williams, Barber, Okoye, Gholston, Spencer, Spaeth and this year's rookies... and subtracting Manu, Tommie Harris, Danieal Manning, Greg Olsen, Kreutz, Aromashadu, etc...  are we net positive for talent, or negative?

On paper it would appear we've improved significantly but on the field it's been a different story.  Carimi is definitely an upgrade at RT...  Spaeth is a better blocking TE than Manu...  Barber is better than Taylor (who I assume he will displace).  Other than that...

At this point in the season compared to last year we are a bit better.  Chris Willaims was our LT and Omiyale was RT.  We are much better there.  Barber is an upgrade to Taylor...so far it seems.  Bears will miss Kreutz but he might have been the reason we were 31st in the league on 3rd and 4th and 1 conversions.

I will need proof that Roy Williams/Davis/Spaeth is an upgrade to Knox/Olsen/Manu.  Not looking good right now.

Defensively, we need a healthy Wooten, but Okoye is an upgrade to Tommie Harris.  Major Wright just needs some reps.  I'd like to see Bowman back in the mix against Jennings, but I see why he's starting.

Bottom line, I think we're somewhat ahead of where we were last year at this time.  But not close to where we were at the end of the season.  But that's expected.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 02:16:32 pm
SPECIAL TEAMS - Abysmal...like last PS.   Toub will fix what can be fixed.  Not sure about the KO returns...remains to be seen if every KO will be returned.

The one thing I have to keep reminding myself of there is that Toub is down two guys (Rasheed Davis and Garrett Wolfe) who for all their positional shortcomings were aces on STs.  Plus the loss of a stud returner (Danieal Manning), and a long time punter (Maynard).  So it's probably not too much of a stretch to say that this is a rebuilding year for STs. 

Still...  STs looked really bad last night. Especially the punt team.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 02:19:45 pm
Bottom line, I think we're somewhat ahead of where we were last year at this time.  But not close to where we were at the end of the season. 

That's a fair assessment, and I concur. I think it's unrealistic to assume that the Bears team that faces the Falcons on Sept. 11 will be as good as the team that beat up the Seahawks in the playoffs -- in fact the Falcons may very well clean our clocks in the opener -- but hopefully it won't take us more than a couple games to get back to that level and then we hopefully improve from there.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on August 23, 2011, 02:42:14 pm
And lets not forget the contribution Briggs makes on D.  He is not the superstar, but he does make a difference.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 03:00:14 pm
And lets not forget the contribution Briggs makes on D.  He is not the superstar, but he does make a difference.

He makes a huge difference. I have maintained that for the last couple of years he (not Urlacher) is the most valuable LB we have and that he is second only to Peppers in his importance to our D. 

With him, Urlacher and Peppers all out of the lineup of course a defensive letdown was to be expected... but I really expected our backup defenders to show more than they did.  There were some guys out there last night who really didn't look like they belonged in an NFL uni.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on August 23, 2011, 03:06:17 pm
My opinion on the whole matter is without a doubt, Angelo has to go. He cannot be near this team next season if they expect to show marked improvement on talent on this team. His drafts are just horrendous and he's dragging this team downward talentwise. We're right now relying on either FA acquisitions or old talent (Url, Briggs, Tillman, Cutler, Peppers, Barber). Last time I checked, you don't build a champion from FA acquisitions! His drafts have been so horrendous it's hard to remember if there are any impact players ON the team from recent drafts!


 In BOLD-Players having made a impact
Players no longer with team

2005 Bears Draft                                            2006 Draft                      2007 Draft
                                                                      1 Daniel Mannin               1 Greg Olsen
Cedric Benson                                          2 Devin Hester               2 Dan Bezuin
Mark Bradley                                              3 Dusty Dvoracek            3 Garrett Wolfe
3 Trade                                                          4 Jamar Williams               4 Michael Okwo
Kyle Orton                                                5 Mark Anderson            5 Josh Beekman
Airese Currie Clemson                                6 JD runnels                     6 Kevin Payne
6 S Chris Harris                                             7 Tyler Reed                     7 Corey Graham
Rod Wilson S.                                                                                    8 Trumain McBride
                                                                                                             9 Aaron Brant
2008 Draft                                      2009 Draft                             2010 Draft
1 Chris Williams                            3 Jarron Gilbert                       1 Major Wright
2 Matt Forte                                 4 Juaquin Iglesias                  2 Corey Wooten
3 Earl Bennett                              5 Henry Melton                       3 Josh Moore
4 Marcus Harrison                          6 DJ Moore                              4 Dan LeFevour
5 Craig Steltz                                7 Johnny Knox                     5 J' Marcus Webb
6 Zach Bowman                            8 Marcus Freeman       
7 Kellen Davis                              9 Al Afalava
8 Earwin Baldwin                         10 Lance Louis
                                                     11 Doug Kinder
9 Chester Adams
10 Joey LaRocque
11 Kirk Barton
12 Marcus Monk
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 03:53:02 pm
Thanks for the research Sportster.  That's really enlightening and a pretty big indictment of Angelo.

Those 2006 and 2007 draft classes in particular are almost total washouts at this point. Those are the (now) 4- and 5-year pro's that in a well-run organization comprise the core of the team and are in their prime, contributing at a high level.  Instead, our sum total return on those two drafts is a PR/gimmick WR (Hester) and a backup CB (Graham).

Which goes a long way to explaining why Angelo has had to open the checkbook for high-priced FAs and take flyers on other team's high-priced busts.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on August 23, 2011, 03:58:17 pm
Huge indictment. Angelo IS the reason this team is struggling finding talent. He is horrible at it!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 04:04:19 pm
It would be interesting to take that research one step farther and identify not only how many of Angelo's picks are no longer on the Bears, but out of the league altogether.

It's one degree of bad to draft a bunch of players that can't make a slightly above average team (which the Bears have been for most of Angelo's tenure).  It's a whole nother level of bad to draft guys that can't make anybody's roster.  Those are guys who clearly had no business even being drafted in the first place.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 23, 2011, 04:11:25 pm
Not that it should make anyone feel better, but the Giants' win last night is coming with a HUGE price tag.

Three defensive players injured last night (two CBs and their rookie 2nd round DT), and all out for the year.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/giants-second-round-pick-austin-likely-out-for-season/
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on August 23, 2011, 06:54:57 pm
Wow!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 23, 2011, 09:43:12 pm
Ugh.  Maybe trying to hard to win in preseason isn't a good idea afterall.  Then again, if a team has any, I don't know DEPTH, then the impact is lessoned isn't it? I sometimes feel like the Bears are like those old hollywood back sets, just fronts. Nothing in the back after you get past the front.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: VJ on August 23, 2011, 10:41:01 pm
In a normal regular season game, the Bears would have likely taken a knee and Fewell wouldn't have been tempted to call a corner blitz with just a few ticks left in the 1st half that ultimately cost him a starting CB.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 24, 2011, 08:00:48 am
I sometimes feel like the Bears are like those old hollywood back sets, just fronts. Nothing in the back after you get past the front.

Exactly. Which is why respect for the Bears around the league is not high.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: wmljohn on August 24, 2011, 10:37:38 am
Quote
It really *****d me off when Martz called those two worthless plays to Hester down on the goal line. The first one he fell down and the second one he dropped even though the ball was perfectly placed.  At least one of those plays should have been a pass to Kellen Davis and I can only hope that's one of those plays they're keeping hidden for the regular season.


IMHO preseason is when you want to make that call to see if he can handle it.  Perfect call for the preseason game.  Now you know not to call those plays for that player during the regular season because that player can not execute that play.

That is what PREseason is for.  Finding out if it is going to work or not...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 24, 2011, 10:42:08 am

IMHO preseason is when you want to make that call to see if he can handle it.  Perfect call for the preseason game.  Now you know not to call those plays for that player during the regular season because that player can not execute that play.

That is what PREseason is for.  Finding out if it is going to work or not...

Yeah that makes sense.  Well based on Monday night's game there are a LOT of red zone plays in Martz' playbook that need to either be taken out, dramatically re-worked or run with other (better) players. There was a whole truckload of FAIL going on inside the 20.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 24, 2011, 11:06:50 am
There was a whole truckload of FAIL going on inside the 20.

Dang straight there was. It was pathetic
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on August 25, 2011, 08:42:53 am

I thought Love should have reviewed that Barber out of bounds play - looked like a TD to me.  And one of those red zone plays looked like a shovel pass play that could have worked but Bell might have screwed it up.  And Hanie on that roll out to the right side missed a wide open TE (Andre Smith?).

Nothing wrong with the playcalling...its just the execution.  Correctable.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 25, 2011, 09:24:00 am
I thought Love should have reviewed that Barber out of bounds play - looked like a TD to me.

I didn't think it was close enough to challenge but it may have just been the angle I saw.  I did appreciate the effort Barber gave on that play and maybe in a mid-season game the conditioning and focus is a little better and he stays in-bounds for the TD.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on August 25, 2011, 11:07:25 am
I would have done the same thing on the Barber play, the points didn't matter but a chance to get some short yardage practice in game like situations is hard to reproduce. Anything to get our O more plays in the preseason is a good thing.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on August 27, 2011, 05:29:59 pm
It's that time again! GAME TIME!! Don't forget it's tonight 7-10. I'm recording every fail moment....er,every winning moment.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on August 27, 2011, 06:39:26 pm
anyone have a link to watch online???
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 06:44:56 pm
http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/2741860.aspx

You can try the link in this thread.  I have no idea if it works or not but I think he posts it every pre-season game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 06:49:06 pm
The password is: sweetness
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 06:50:31 pm
They are streaming a game right now Steelers/Falcons but I think they will switch to the bears game.  It is a little fuzzy though.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on August 27, 2011, 07:06:34 pm
hey thanks for the help
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 07:09:26 pm
Your welcome.

Can we cut Roy Williams?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 07:20:11 pm
Sanzenbacher!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 07:22:22 pm
Hester for the first.

Cutler is pissed and taking the lead.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 27, 2011, 07:23:40 pm
TD
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 07:24:03 pm
TD Forte!!!

Nice play call and nice blocking!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 27, 2011, 07:26:15 pm
The Bears must have figured they'd do Roy a favor by cutting him in nashville, cheaper ticket home to big d. The pud is hopeless.  Too much purple drank since Detroit.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 07:33:02 pm
I don't know if the Bears D is awesome or the Titans O is woeful.  But so far I like what
I am seeing on both sides of the ball except for Roy Williams.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 07:38:03 pm
First down Barber!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 07:38:33 pm
Forte for 13 yds! 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on August 27, 2011, 07:39:36 pm
Titans D was pretty good last year.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 07:40:37 pm
Forte for 10!

Bears are killing them!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 27, 2011, 07:42:22 pm
Bears have'em in a headlock and there beating them up pretty good. Love it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 07:45:49 pm
WTF is wrong with Gould!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 07:57:12 pm
The D finally stops them after letting them go for a long drive.  Lot's of pressure on Hasslebach but he beat it a few times with some nice throws.

Barber is out the rest of the game with a calf injury.  Hopefully it is only a bruise. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 08:03:00 pm
Nice drive for a Field goal.  So far this has been a good game by the Bears and is most definately something to build on.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 27, 2011, 08:11:39 pm
I am watching Detroit vs NE.  Man Detroit is bringing it.  I can't tell this is a preseason game.  All I know is Detroit's front line is talented...when they get Farley back they are going to be tough.

Why Belichick hasn't gotten Brady out of the game is beyond comprehension.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 08:15:12 pm
The Bears have aboslutely owned this game on both sides of the ball.  They should pull the starters and call it a night as far as I am concerned.

Make Roy Williams and Knox play the rest of the game because neither of them has impressed tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: ailen laguda on August 27, 2011, 08:43:54 pm
The D finally stops them after letting them go for a long drive.  Lot's of pressure on Hasslebach but he beat it a few times with some nice throws.

Barber is out the rest of the game with a calf injury.  Hopefully it is only a bruise.

don't worry. I believe it is just a bruise:)

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Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 27, 2011, 09:07:29 pm
Well Earl Bennett proves yet again he is the BEST WR on the team.  Is he the most explosive...No.  Does he have the best hands...Yes.  Will he make the tough catch...Yes.  He is a stud.  Period.  Talk about Roy Williams, Knox, Hester, etc.  The guy we need to throw to more is Earl Bennett.  He catches everything thrown his way!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on August 27, 2011, 09:20:43 pm
looks like Clark just got his knee blown out. Great.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 09:21:40 pm
I agree.  Bennett is the best by FAR!

I am really disappointed in Hester, Knox and Williams.  They are all screwing up WAY too much. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 09:23:12 pm
That sucks about Clark. 

It means we probably keep Spaeth, Davis and Adams.

Dez Clark has been a hell of a Bear for a lot of years.  I was hoping he could have a nice year for us.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 27, 2011, 10:05:07 pm
In a real season gsme the Bears win that game going away.  They dominated the Titans on both sides of the ball. 

The O-line has stepped up if they keep improving this is going to be a fun year.  The D-line was getting all kinds of pressure.  I am very disappointed in the WR's.  Bennet was awesome the rest all made numerous mistakes.

Goulde needs to get his head out of his ass and quit missing field goals.  Hopefully Barbers injury is not to serious and at least Dez Clark will get paid an injury settlement. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 27, 2011, 10:42:17 pm
I agree both starting lines looked good. Mr Haney was doing good till that Int for a TD. With Clark going down it may mean both the kid from Virginia Tech and the kid from Purdue make the club.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on August 27, 2011, 10:45:25 pm
67.6 looks good too. Keep it up.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on August 27, 2011, 11:30:52 pm
Random thoughts:

Hester and Williams are consistent about being inconsistent.

Webb and Carimi had another solid game pass blocking and their best game run blocking.  Lance Louis was Ok but still got beat soundly at least a couple times.  Garza had a huge hold on that screen to Bell that would have put the Bears in a first and goal with a 7-0 lead at the time.

Could Tice surprise us all and insert Spencer at C and move Garza back to RG as many have predicted?

Major Wright overran another TD run play.

That Titans WR sure liked that slant play on the right side..he beat both Bowman and Jennings on it several times.  Not sure that play can be stopped against our cover 2 if the QB has the time and makes a good throw.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 28, 2011, 12:03:10 am
Okoye played a ton this game and performed very well.  The announcers kept saying he was on the bubble.  Are you shiiitting me?  I see no way he does not make the roster.  It is only a question of does he start or rotate in a bunch.  I would love to see him and Melton lined up inside together on obvious passing downs.

Gholston is probably going to be cut unless he absolutley brings it this last game.  Even then I doubt he makes the team.

I am liking what I see of Dimacio or whatever the rookie undrafted MLBers name is.  He is always around the ball on special teams and defense.  I think he makes the team as Urlachers back up but I hope we see him on nothing but special teams this year.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 28, 2011, 05:48:36 am
There was a rumor going that the Bears might be looking at a DE and I thought at the time that couldnt be because they had Gholston and Wooton, but it looks like Gholston might be in trouble which could explain the rumor
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 28, 2011, 09:15:44 am
They will be replaying the Gears game today at 1PM Eastern on NFLN for those who are interested.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on August 28, 2011, 02:10:01 pm
Watching the game on NFLN today.  The Oline looks like it could be a strenght coupled with running game.  Hopefully Martz does not get pass happy, because I believe we have an above average running game.

Cutler, Forte and Bennett are the weapons on offense.  None of them are overly sexy,  they are just football players.  They are the 3 guys we can least afford to lose on offense.

On defense I think Jennings and Wright are going to be the weak links.  I see us vunerable against the pass.  I think the Dline will be good and hopefully can "make up" the difference in the passing game.  Man it would be nice to have a ballhawk DB on this team.  I think if we lose Tillman it would be a big blow.

I think Clark is going to be bigger loss than initial thought.  He was playing in 1st Q; I think the Bears had plans to use him on certain plays.  I was thinking he was strickly a backup this year.  I think possibly the coaches had situation plays in store with him. 

Lovie's after game interview he basically said that they have not been blitzing the passer in preseason and that he is not worried about dline.  Almost a bit cocky which you don't see from Lovie ever.  Makes me think the coaches really really think the Dline is special this year.  I am thinking so as well.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 28, 2011, 02:19:17 pm
They are getting some awesome pressure with out blitzing.  The Bears first 4 games are against some very good teams and if the Bears can be 3-1 or even 2-2 coming out of that they should be good to go.  Lovie always has a few surprises in store for the first few teams on the schedule.  I am sure this year is no different.  Especially with all of the time the coaches had on their hands this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 28, 2011, 02:22:12 pm
Briggs tells Bears he wants more money

 Posted by Mike Florio on August 28, 2011, 2:27 PM EDT
 
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Bears linebacker Lance Briggs, who signed a six-year, $36 million contract with the team in 2008, now wants to rip up the final three seasons of the deal.
 
Briggs confirmed to Vaughn McClure of the Chicago Tribune that the veteran linebacker has approached the team regarding a raise.  G.M. Jerry Angelo declined to comment.
 
The player’s desire for more money apparently arises from the wave of new deals given to linebackers in recent weeks.
 
It’s not the first time Briggs has been unhappy with a contract that he signed.  He complained about a one-year, $7.2 million franchise tender in 2007, at one point claiming he’d never again for the Bears.  He then signed his current contract with the Bears after becoming an unrestricted free agent in 2008.
 
Along the way, the Bears talked to the 49ers about a possible trade.  The Bears accused the Niners of tampering when San Fran launched contract talks with Briggs.  The league eventually agreed with the Bears, a rare case of the NFL acknowledging a common (but largely ignored) phenomenon.
 
Though Briggs has no legitimate basis for complaining about the back end of a veteran contract that he signed after hitting the open market (unlike a guy who is strapped with a slotted rookie deal), the Bears have only themselves to blame for signing Briggs to a six-year deal.  They surely knew that, at some point, other linebackers would be getting larger contracts.  And they should have realized that, at some point, Briggs was going to want more, again.
 
Birggs has missed the two most recent preseason games, with a bruised knee.  He says that the injury and his desire for a new contract aren’t related.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 28, 2011, 02:23:39 pm
Briggs can ask all he wants but if he actually trys to hold out he is a GIANT douche bag!!

He signed the contract he needs to honor it.  It is not as if he is being paid peanuts.  He is getting a lot of money to play football.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on August 28, 2011, 02:44:48 pm
Why have a contract if they mean nothing.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on August 28, 2011, 04:02:03 pm
"The Bears have only themselves to blame"?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 28, 2011, 04:11:53 pm
Is our offense ever going to score some points? 1 rushing TD and two FGs...  seriously?  That's not gonna get it done.

Right now Earl Bennett is the only legit WR on this team. Maybe Sanzenbacher.  Roy Williams, IMO, has played his way to the bench yet somehow I suspect he'll be a starter come Game 1 of regular season regardless. Careful what you wish for, I guess, as he is a big tall WR who is absolutely worthless.

Nice not to have to be sweating the OL (as much, anyway), but these WRs of ours inspire no confidence at all.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on August 28, 2011, 06:27:33 pm
Totally agree,Yapp. Saw a piece on TV about Williams being 'the mentor' due to his age...about bust out laughing at that! No way has this guy done ANYTHING to warrant being a mentor to ANY reciever ANYwhere! His size and the Bears stupidity may see him on this team but he sure as heck doesn't deserve to be! Bennett is legit. Hester can do some things deep. Sanzenbacher is the future. Right now, we've got very little in the cupboard....but I'm sure Angie is on it BWAHAHAHAHAAA.....ugh....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on August 28, 2011, 06:28:28 pm
Briggs is on the downside of his career and he can go fly a kite IMO. The guy signed a contract...time to honor it and quit ^(&*#(% about not making more 'millions'.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on August 28, 2011, 10:55:24 pm
My opinion on the whole matter is without a doubt, Angelo has to go. He cannot be near this team next season if they expect to show marked improvement on talent on this team. His drafts are just horrendous and he's dragging this team downward talentwise. We're right now relying on either FA acquisitions or old talent (Url, Briggs, Tillman, Cutler, Peppers, Barber). Last time I checked, you don't build a champion from FA acquisitions! His drafts have been so horrendous it's hard to remember if there are any impact players ON the team from recent drafts!


 In BOLD-Players having made a impact
Players no longer with team

2005 Bears Draft                                            2006 Draft                      2007 Draft
                                                                      1 Daniel Mannin               1 Greg Olsen
Cedric Benson                                          2 Devin Hester               2 Dan Bezuin
Mark Bradley                                              3 Dusty Dvoracek            3 Garrett Wolfe
3 Trade                                                          4 Jamar Williams               4 Michael Okwo
Kyle Orton                                                5 Mark Anderson            5 Josh Beekman
Airese Currie Clemson                                6 JD runnels                     6 Kevin Payne
6 S Chris Harris                                             7 Tyler Reed                     7 Corey Graham
Rod Wilson S.                                                                                    8 Trumain McBride
                                                                                                             9 Aaron Brant
2008 Draft                                      2009 Draft                             2010 Draft
1 Chris Williams                            3 Jarron Gilbert                       1 Major Wright
2 Matt Forte                                 4 Juaquin Iglesias                  2 Corey Wooten
3 Earl Bennett                              5 Henry Melton                       3 Josh Moore
4 Marcus Harrison                          6 DJ Moore                              4 Dan LeFevour
5 Craig Steltz                                7 Johnny Knox                     5 J' Marcus Webb
6 Zach Bowman                            8 Marcus Freeman       
7 Kellen Davis                              9 Al Afalava
8 Earwin Baldwin                         10 Lance Louis
                                                     11 Doug Kinder
9 Chester Adams
10 Joey LaRocque
11 Kirk Barton
12 Marcus Monk

 Too bad we dont have a place to archive this to fall back on.

 Along with a list of banned words and how to get around them.

 Pekin?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on August 29, 2011, 07:50:04 am
Angelo changed his drafting strategy in the 08 draft and it looks like it is working.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on August 29, 2011, 05:15:56 pm
Not really...you guys still suck.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on August 29, 2011, 05:43:42 pm
Two players out of 12 picks is "working"?? Angie is the reason this club hasn't made the leap it should have. He has crippled the recieving corps,the Oline and the secondary. His wasted picks at safety are ridiculous!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on August 30, 2011, 06:43:17 am
Sporty, 14 picks out of the past 3 drafts is a pretty good improvement (08,09,10). This draft is too early to tell but I think Carimi might be a stud.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 30, 2011, 06:44:47 am
And lets not forget every year we draft a worthless DT in the 3rd round
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 30, 2011, 08:26:35 am
And lets not forget every year we draft a worthless DT in the 3rd round

Yup. I'm pleased as punch we have Julius Peppers on our team but I've got to think if Angelo had drafted better on the DL the first few years maybe Peppers wouldn't have been necessary in the first place.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 31, 2011, 05:42:03 am
Peppers wouldn't have been necessary?  How often do perrenial Pro Bowl defensive ends become available?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 31, 2011, 06:41:37 am
Thats not the point. The point was had we drafted quality players and developed them we wouldnt have needed Peppers because we could have had somebody close enough to Peppers to not have needed him.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on August 31, 2011, 07:46:15 am
How many defensive ends in the league are close to Peppers?

I understand Yapper's point and I agree that IF we drafted better (and a lot of teams can say the same thing) we wouldn't have need to sign "X" player, but I would use that comparison for a Chester Taylor or a Roberto Garza or some other player.  To use Peppers as your comparison is over the top.

If we had drafted an all Pro at every position, we wouldn't have needed Peppers, just my opinion...  :)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 31, 2011, 08:35:30 am
My point is that the reason we had to pay top dollar for Peppers is because pretty much every other player on our DL was average at best to downright terrible.  He was basically brought in as a last-ditch effort to salvage a unit that is the key to Lovie's whole defensive scheme and was floundering badly.

If we had already had three or four good to really good players on that DL, the whole would have been greater than the sum of its parts and a DE of equivalent caliber to that group would have been plenty. Peppers is a phenomenal player, but for all his talent the best he has been able to do is get this DL back to barely average. This is still not a Bears front four that scares anyone, either in pass or run defense. If the rest of the DL had already been up to snuff, such a drastic measure would not have been needed to give as good (if not better) results than we have gotten from adding Peppers.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 31, 2011, 08:38:50 am
whatever. And why hasnt Peppers had double didgit sacks?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 31, 2011, 09:16:25 am
whatever. And why hasnt Peppers had double didgit sacks?

Probably because the rest of our DL has been so sub-par that teams can double and even triple-team Peppers with impunity.

I think a lot of people have forgotten (or never knew in the first place) that those Carolina D-Lines that Peppers played on were man-for-man quite a bit more talented than what the Bears have put on the field in recent years. 

If Melton, Toeiana, Izzy and/or Okoye can turn into players that not only can beat their blockers one-on-one but can also demand a double team, opposing OCs are going to have to reduce the blocking assigned to Peppers accordingly and I think you'll see sack numbers more in line with his exceptional ability.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 31, 2011, 09:46:15 am
I mean if Peppers is God walking then why didnt he produce 10 or more sacks by himself.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 31, 2011, 09:53:03 am
I think Yapper has the answer. The DLine needs an overhaul which is why we spent a 2nd round pick on it. It also pinpoints the problem on Angelo's draft record. You cant continually, year after year, invest 3rd round picks on worthless players and expect to have a killer defense.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 31, 2011, 10:17:50 am
It feels to me like with Okoye, Melton and Toeiana we have potentially the youngest and most athletic DT rotation we've had in years.

It doesn't seem like Paea has really played up to his billings up in preseason but with those three players ahead of him maybe we can afford to give him a year of development.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BillSharp on August 31, 2011, 10:26:11 am
yeah, Paea has shown nothing, zero, zip.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on August 31, 2011, 10:29:15 am
He hasnt, which again points to Angelo's drafting. Even Marinelli hasnt gotten him up to snuff.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 31, 2011, 10:51:27 am
Like I said, if the veteran DTs come through for us this year it doesn't become so critical that Paea plays great right out of the gate.

However, if it gets 2, 3 years down the road and Paea still isn't a factor then you really have to wonder whether that 2nd round draft pick wouldn't have been better spent on an OG or even a big WR.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on August 31, 2011, 12:43:43 pm

Paea has not shown much so far but its WAY to early to judge that pick.  Recall that when we drafted him they knew they were getting rid of Tomie Harris BUT did not know that Okoye would come available months later.

Barring injury this line should be better than last year's.  They just need to find that 3rd DE.  Peppers and Idonijie can't play as much as they did last year.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 31, 2011, 12:49:53 pm
Barring injury this line should be better than last year's.  They just need to find that 3rd DE.  Peppers and Idonijie can't play as much as they did last year.

Agreed, especially on the last part.  Wootten's injury was a huge blow. I think they were really counting on him stepping into that 3rd DE role this year and now they're kind of limbo till they see how quickly he heals and whether he can get back to where he was before. We may wind up seeing Melton moving outside unless and until they're comfortable Wootten is ready to get back into the mix.

An offense that can sustain long drives and put points on the board would be a tremendous help to our D as well.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on August 31, 2011, 01:05:40 pm
come on, our O is going to put points on the board in like 3 plays now!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 31, 2011, 01:10:42 pm
At this point I have much more confidence in our DL rounding into form, than our offense.

Other than the OL, the offense doesn't look any better than last year... and our WRs look noticeably worse. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on August 31, 2011, 01:11:27 pm
I thought Paea was hurt/nicked.  Could explain why he isnt lighting it up.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on August 31, 2011, 01:24:34 pm
At this point I have much more confidence in our DL rounding into form, than our offense.

Other than the OL, the offense doesn't look any better than last year... and our WRs look noticeably worse.

It's Chicago..the defense is always better than our offense.

I don't agree with your 2nd statement.  If our O-line is improved over late last year's version the offense will close the gap with the defense, even if Cutler and Forte stay the same.  I expect our wideout play to be improved.   Knox, Hester and Bennett have another year with the offense.   And I think Roy Williams will make some plays but will not be the savior some had hoped.   If he sucks he'll just become this year's Aromashodu.

As for TE, I think there will be times when we miss Olsen, but I think the Bears have a few downfield plays to Davis that they are saving.  Recall that in college Davis was more of a receiver than a blocker.  He can go get it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 31, 2011, 01:36:28 pm
One thing I do know is we had better get Forte extended PDQ.

Right now he's being the good soldier but we can't count on that going on forever. If he determines we're stringing him along and he just decides to shut down in response, our whole offense is screwed.

IMO we need to get a deal done with him no later than the end of September.  Ideally it would be done before Sept. 11 when the games start to count.  I hope it doesn't take a couple of dreadful early season games by our WRs before Angelo & Co. realize Forte's importance and do the right thing.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on August 31, 2011, 02:44:43 pm
Is Forte in the last year of his contract?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on August 31, 2011, 04:02:41 pm

I know most don't have a high opinion of Angelo but he isn't a total numbskull.  Of course he wants to re-up Forte.  But what if Forte is asking for money with the elite HBs in the league?

Somewhere in the middle exists the right number that both sides can agree on, but it could take a while for both sides to get to that point.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on August 31, 2011, 04:12:22 pm
Angelo has given a lot of Bears a lot more money than they were worth.  Tommie Harris, Kreutz, Orlando Pace, Chester Taylor, Malamaleuna and Frank Omiyale all come immediately to mind.

Forte is one guy I don't mind overpaying at all.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on August 31, 2011, 05:04:48 pm
The Bears offered Forte more then Jamaal Charles got.  Forte turned it down because he wants more.

The Bears hold all the cards.  They can simply let Forte play out his contract this year then put the franchise tag on him next year.  The contract they offered Forte would have payed him more then the franchise tag.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 01, 2011, 08:39:04 am
PFT says the offer on the table to Forte includes $15 mil guaranteed.  That seems fair to me and I really don't think Forte would get that kind of money from anybody else.  He might want to talk to Olin Kreutz about that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 01, 2011, 09:35:12 am

The bean counters on both sides have all year to work this out.  It's about time to play some football. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 01, 2011, 10:07:16 am
The bean counters on both sides have all year to work this out.  It's about time to play some football.

Forte is obviously banking that he'll have a career season, which will give him a lot more leverage this time next year than he does now.

OTOH, perish the thought, but he could also sustain a major or even career ending injury this season, and if that were to happen then $15 mil in the bank would be pretty nice to have.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: panthermark on September 01, 2011, 12:55:14 pm
Who doesn't have cable?  Seriously?
I don't have cable.

Between Neflfix, Hulu, the web, and what I can pick up over the air...I'm good.  The only problem I have is that I can't keep a steady reception on OTA channels.  So I "might" get the basic, basic, basic, package. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 01, 2011, 01:09:46 pm
This may be the other reason Forte is biding his time...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/01/chris-johnson-agrees-to-terms/

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 01, 2011, 01:37:36 pm
This has simply gone past ridiculous.  Bud Adams has obviously been drinking way to much to agree to that absurd amount. Forte just got way more costly. Seriously, this is just stupid amounts of money.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 01, 2011, 02:43:00 pm
You guys think there is a chance we just franchise him next year and let him walk?

Like I said before 5-6M per is fine, 8M might be ok if he makes the pro-bowl but I can't see what CJ got.

Mark it down, he won't play 3 more years.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 01, 2011, 03:40:03 pm
You guys think there is a chance we just franchise him next year and let him walk?

Yes I do.  In fact after the CJ deal I think it's a very strong possibility now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 01, 2011, 07:03:19 pm
iS THE PASSWORD THE SAME AS LAST WEEK, SWEETNESS, FOR THE ONLINE GAME??
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 07:19:38 pm
As far as I know it is the same every week.  But nothing was posted this week.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 07:20:06 pm
Nice drive but once again stalled in the red zone.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: AZSteve on September 01, 2011, 07:25:41 pm
melton is freakin good....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 07:33:00 pm
Yeah that was a nice play by Melton.

TD Knox!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 07:47:53 pm
Reed has been a beast.  I had noticed him in other pre-season games mkaing plays but that is a guy playing like he wants to make the team REAL bad.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 08:11:24 pm
I find it interesting that the only starting O-lineman still in the game is Williams.  I thought he had a pretty good pre-season I guess Tice thinks otherwise.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 08:21:02 pm
Very dissapointed in Paea.  I was expecting him to contribute right away.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 01, 2011, 08:24:35 pm
Hughes looks like an interesting back.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 08:27:17 pm
My bad.  That is Edwin Williams not Chris Williams at guard.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 08:29:00 pm
No way Hughes makes the team unless he is a special teams ace.  Well unless Bell and Barber are hurt worse then it looks.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 08:58:38 pm
I hope Nick Reed makes the team.  With the high motor he has he should at the very least be useful on special teams and to fill in at DE here and there to give guys breathers.  He has been making plays all night long.

I saw him make several in the earlier games as well but just knew him as the white guy with long hair making plays. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 09:00:15 pm
Enderle is a sloth and needs to make the read and get rid of the ball.  He is a rookie so there is still hope but damn.

Hughes with a real nice run, straight arm, then blows the defender up at the end.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BillSharp on September 01, 2011, 09:11:32 pm
Pekin, like you I noticed Reed early on, wondered why everyone was talking about Addison while Reed was all over the field.

Assumed Reed was just to short to play in the NFL, but what a motor.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 01, 2011, 09:14:22 pm
How can that be a penalty
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 09:16:08 pm
I thought it was helmet to helmet due to the smack.  But in the replay it was clearly shoulder to shoulder.  Welcome to the new pussification of the NFL.  He hit a defensless player.  Whcih means you have to let the receiver catch the ball.  Really?  WTF?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 09:23:45 pm
Enderle reminds me of Collins.  I just keep telling myself he is just a rookie who has not had a lot of time in the sytem.  But he sure looks terrible.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 01, 2011, 09:31:17 pm
Paea with pressure against a double team to force the interception.

He finally did something.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 09:36:53 pm
I have a feeling Paea got away with making plays with his amazing upper body strength in college.  He is probably going to need a year to get his lower body strength and technique up to the NFL level. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 09:39:50 pm
Reed again.  He has been unreal tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 01, 2011, 09:41:39 pm
Reed at 248 lbs is tough but hopefully hae can stay on PS
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 01, 2011, 09:49:40 pm
He actually fits better as a 3-4 guy I would think.  But a guy who makes plays and has a motor like that I would love to have on the team.  He has played damn near every snap on defense and special teams the entire game.

I would think he should make the team on special teams alon with the ability to rush the passer here and their on obvious passing downs.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 01, 2011, 10:16:12 pm
Reed played an outstanding game. He has to make the team. I think Hughes at least made the practice squad.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BillSharp on September 02, 2011, 05:40:49 am
Paea is the only disappointment I have. If he were a 7th round pick he'd be cut. Roy Williams isn't a disappointment, he just sucks. Hester's lack of development is a bit of a disappointment.

The injuries to Bell, Conte & Steltz are my worries. (and Wooten)

Even if Bell is hurt I'd cut Taylor, I'd rather keep Hughes, hell even in the little he played this summer I'd rather have that Unga guy.

Will the Bears keep a FB?

Rookie OT Josh Davis looks like a player, but stinks at pass blocking, I'll take Levi Horn.

OG Edwin Williams actually looks OK. Maybe Ricky Henry from Nebraska for P.S.

C Linnenkohl for P.S., but I'd like long-snapper Laptad stashed away as Mannelly is getting pretty old.

Kyle Adams looks like he makes team, Dez Clark gets cut. Andre Smith fighting for P.S.

LBs seem set.

Bears seem to really like Sanzenbacher, Kris Adams has done enough for P.S.

Nick Reed has to make team. Addison to P.S.

Thin at DB, especially corner. If Stelz & Conte ok then safty position fine.

Enderle simply not mobile enough for NFL. Wish we still had that Central Michigan QB we cut last year.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2011, 08:04:01 am
Didnt cut the guy, put him on the PS and Bungholes picked him up. Needed to leave him on the 53 man and they didnt.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 02, 2011, 08:29:16 am
I won't be able to watch the game until the rebroadcast Sunday :(

Let's hope they do a better job hatcheting it together unlike the Tennessee game (they skipped the Bears TD and at a couple of other points but made sure to get the sideline reporters talking to Kenny Britt.....)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2011, 09:17:52 am

I haven't seen last night's game either, but Reed's play is going to make things interesting rosterwise.  One thing I've noticed in the previous PS games is Reed's motor.   I had Addison ranked higher because of the sportswriters quotes from the coaches making it sound like he's on the cusp of making the team.  But in the games I thought Reed looked better.

Both Addison and Reed are sub 250lbs, so I doubt they could be counted on for all 3 downs (like Wooten could be).  Plus they have been playing for the most part against 2nd string types. 

(FWIW, Reed was a Ruskell pick in 2009 when he was with Seattle).

I think there's a decent chance the Bears keep 9 defensive lineman.  Marcus Harrison has a shot as the 6th DT or  Addison and Reed have a shot as the 4th DE. 

May depend on Wooten's recovery.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2011, 09:35:18 am
During the game they said Wooten was scheduled to practice this coming week, so more will be known of his condition likely come Monday when practice begins.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on September 02, 2011, 11:49:16 am
When is the game supposed to air on NFLN?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 02, 2011, 11:54:15 am
Only saw the first half, but in the second quarter, half way thru I noticed when Paea went in was when the Browns started moving down the field.  I was trying to watch for him, but he just got lost and did nothing.  Not so great for our second round pick. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 02, 2011, 12:04:08 pm
Only saw the first half, but in the second quarter, half way thru I noticed when Paea went in was when the Browns started moving down the field.  I was trying to watch for him, but he just got lost and did nothing.  Not so great for our second round pick.

As others have said, maybe he just needs a year in a pro strength and conditioning program.

Hopefully Marinelli can get him coached up.  If he can't, then Paea's long term prospects in this league are probably pretty slim.

Right now Okoye looks to be the best FA move we made this offseason by far.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2011, 12:07:01 pm
Definitely agree on Okoye.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2011, 02:14:01 pm
As others have said, maybe he just needs a year in a pro strength and conditioning program.

Hopefully Marinelli can get him coached up.  If he can't, then Paea's long term prospects in this league are probably pretty slim.

Right now Okoye looks to be the best FA move we made this offseason by far.

He's strong enough and most likely in shape.  He just needs to improve his technique, leverage, etc against a high level of competition and he needs opportunities every week.  In other words get him out there on Sunday...don't expect him to improve watching from the bench.  He may turn out to be more of a NT type or might be more of a 3 technique (Melton/Okoye).

Speaking of Melton and Okoye...didn't see them play together once during the PS.  But I'd bet next week on our first 3rd and long they both are in there.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 02, 2011, 03:19:05 pm
Melton and Okoye have both looked extremely good this offseason at the 3-Technique so barring injuries to either of them, Paea's best chance to get on the field is clearly as the other DT. Which puts him in competition with Anthony Adams and Toeiana as well as Marcus Harrison (if he survives the cuts), so that's gonna be an uphill climb for Paea this year anyway, I think.

He'll make the final 53 no question, but how much playing time he actually gets remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 02, 2011, 03:25:35 pm

You are probably right. 

I just don't see why the NFL has this 'only 45 men can dress on Sunday rule".  What purpose does it server? 

Only makes teams risk more starters on special teams.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 02, 2011, 03:29:12 pm
Melton and Okoye have both looked extremely good this offseason at the 3-Technique so barring injuries to either of them, Paea's best chance to get on the field is clearly as the other DT. Which puts him in competition with Anthony Adams and Toeiana as well as Marcus Harrison (if he survives the cuts), so that's gonna be an uphill climb for Paea this year anyway, I think.

He'll make the final 53 no question, but how much playing time he actually gets remains to be seen.


I cant help but think Paea is going to have a mystery leg injury that explains his poor performance and he goes on IR for a redshirt year.  Just shoot me now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 02, 2011, 03:47:24 pm

I cant help but think Paea is going to have a mystery leg injury that explains his poor performance and he goes on IR for a redshirt year.  Just shoot me now.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that.  The obligatory redshirt year for a highly drafted defender.  Of course that's what will happen, good call.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2011, 04:47:50 pm
Yeah, Angelo admitting he made a mistake with his 2nd round pick? Nah, never! Forget that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2011, 04:52:04 pm
You know when you think about it dont you want to think that your 2nd round pick should be starting for you? Isnt that the way you should be drafting?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 02, 2011, 09:33:37 pm
Well I guess we were misjudging Paea. This from the Trib

Stephen Paea: It's fair to say the second-round pick has had a disappointing camp and preseason, perhaps because he still is coming back from injuring his knee at the Senior Bowl earlier this year.

He has not played with much quickness and has been stuck on blocks too frequently. But he did flash potential a couple of times in the fourth quarter Thursday.

Paea pressured Browns quarterback Jarrett Brown, causing guard Pat Murray to commit a holding penalty. Later, he got a lick in on Brown that forced him to unload the ball quickly. That was the pass Bears linebacker Deron Minor intercepted.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 02, 2011, 09:36:44 pm
OH! Wait! A high Bear draft pick with an injury!!! Well! THAT'S certainly unique!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 02, 2011, 09:48:07 pm
I think I saw Melton playing end some in the last game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 03, 2011, 01:43:00 am

Paea probably could have benefited from some time with Marinelli this offseason but that didn't happen with the strike.  It's going to be hard to get much playing time since the Bears are so deep at DT.  We'll see, but I think most of you guys are way too premature in your analysis of him.

Everybody has been talking about Hughes making the team if Bell or Barber are seriously injured or as the team's 4th HB.

But didn't he play some FB in college...why can't he make the team at that position.  First of all he has to be able to block.  If he can, you then get the benefit of bringing him in on short yardage.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 03, 2011, 02:32:31 am

 The cutdown today will explain everything.

 Who makes the practice squad?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 08, 2011, 08:42:16 am
I read something about Lance Briggs not playing against the Falcons.

What's up with that?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 08, 2011, 08:47:22 am
What? Joke, right? Right?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 08, 2011, 08:54:14 am
Trib says Barber is out, calf, but nothing about Briggs.  Where'd that come from?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 08, 2011, 09:06:34 am
Barber out...perhaps the cut taylor too soon?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 08, 2011, 09:11:23 am
Trib says Barber is out, calf, but nothing about Briggs.  Where'd that come from?

I think it was in the game preview on my ESPN ScoreCenter phone app.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 08, 2011, 09:43:31 am
Watch Martz call 50 pass plays on Sunday and then say it was cause he didn't want to "overwork" Forte...     :(
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 09, 2011, 06:24:00 am
Yaps - That is my concern that the Bears start slinging the ball.  I think we need to run a balanced attack with a slight edge to the run.  We have a big offensive line and letting them get some confidence pounding on the Falcons front 7 is a better way to win then trying the Packers/Saints track meet approach - and get Cutler killed.  Ground and pound early, then start opening the passing attack.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 09, 2011, 07:29:49 am
The Swammy says 20-17 Bears,about what I said. But as we all know, a dartboard could be just as accurate...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 09, 2011, 07:40:00 am
If we can run the ball, we can win. No one is likely to shred our defense too bad. I have confidence Martz can take advantage if teams start to stack the line to stop the run.
He wants to throw the ball because it shows how smart he is.
If he will run the ball then he is smarter than I thought.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 09, 2011, 08:11:53 am
Well apparently not only is Lance Briggs gonna play, he's gonna be sporting some 9/11 commemorative garb:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/08/lance-briggs-ill-get-fined-for-wearing-red-white-and-blue-on-911/
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on September 09, 2011, 08:42:26 am
Just play football... attention-hewer
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 09, 2011, 08:45:56 am
Actually I like Briggs' stance on this thing.  Good grief if players can wear pink for a month why can't they wear commemorative gear for one Sunday?  Kinda feels like political correctness has overtaken patriotism anymore.

I would not be surprised if more NFL players (on or off the Bears), joined Briggs in this.

I agree though, that the best thing would have been for Briggs to just show up wearing the gear and not make such a big public spectacle about it beforehand.  The Bears have had plenty of distractions this offseason and this is just one more thing.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 09, 2011, 10:15:33 am
I'm guessing that his agent decided a little good PR was needed
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on September 09, 2011, 10:46:20 am
At least he isn't abandoning his Lambo on the expy
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 09, 2011, 10:58:14 am
He is going to get fined if he wears anything on his uniform that isnt approved by the league
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 09, 2011, 11:27:12 am
I would like to see Goodell fine him for that.

If he does, then he [Goodell] will expose himself as being even more of a pompous, out-of-touch d-bag than we all know he already is.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 09, 2011, 11:40:44 am
So no fruitcake for him at Christmas this year?...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 09, 2011, 11:45:35 am
He is going to get fined if he wears anything on his uniform that isnt approved by the league

I just hope he's not wearing Michael Turners footprints
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 09, 2011, 12:15:19 pm
I just hope he's not wearing Michael Turners footprints

yeah, those big bruisers are the kind that usually get us.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 09, 2011, 12:33:47 pm
Brandon Jacobs made our D look like little boys in that preseason game.  And Turner is 10 times the RB Jacobs is.

So yeah, there's legitimate reason for concern there... especially later in the game when our D gets gassed.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 09, 2011, 12:44:00 pm
Ain't gonna happen. Finally, some common sense.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Chicago-Bears-Lance-Briggs-to-commemorate-September-11-anniversary-090811
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 09, 2011, 03:33:12 pm
Props to our very own Lance Briggs for forcing the issue on this:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/09/nfl-says-players-can-wear-red-white-and-blue-on-911/

Briggs has been pretty annoying of late, but this one he got right. I hope he has a lights-out game against the Falcons cuz we're gonna need it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 10, 2011, 10:44:09 am
Ain't gonna happen. Finally, some common sense.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Chicago-Bears-Lance-Briggs-to-commemorate-September-11-anniversary-090811

Thats good to see. I wonder how many other players follow suit. I wish all the Bears did it in honor of 911
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 10, 2011, 02:06:20 pm
Nearly 3,000 people killed, for the crime of going to work. You know there's more of those rotten bastards out thier.  Including that prick that bombed the plane over lockerbee.  I do him in a NY minute.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 10, 2011, 06:27:24 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0911-bears-bowen-chicago--20110911,0,2807469.column?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+chicagosports%2FBears+%28ChicagoSports.com+-+Chicago+Bears%29

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Inside-the-playbook-beating-the-Bears-zone-blitz.html

A couple of good articles about the x's and o's of the upcoming game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on September 10, 2011, 10:18:39 pm
I wish I knew the x's and O's like that guy...

Well... maybe not...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 10, 2011, 10:38:32 pm
I am not a psychic and no "expert" or anyone else can tell how an NFL game will go.  However when the "experts" who predict defeat for the Bears do not even have the facts straight they are basing their guess on I immediately throw their "analysis" out the window.

These are two good teams and either could win tomorrow.  The Bears have home field advantage and have always kept the Falcons running game in check.  The Falcons won the last two in their stadium by last minute heroics.  I predict the Bears shut down the run and get after Ryan.

The Falcons will have some big plays on offense but will have a hard time getting into the endzone.  I think the Bears come out on top if the Bears O-line can run block like they have been and giove Cutler some protection.  A tall order I know but I like the Bears chances.     
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 11, 2011, 07:03:02 am
Oh I like their chances too. It should be competitive unless the Bears fall behind early and try to play catchup by throwing the ball all over the field. We arent that good. Just run the ball and pass when we have to. Use the run to set up the pass.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 11, 2011, 07:26:41 am
Just run the ball and pass when we have to. Use the run to set up the pass.

If only this was Martz game plan for today I would feel a lot better.  I am worried about Ryan disecting our secondary.  Hopefully he doesnt have enough time to do so.  We shall see. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 10:10:19 am
What drugs is Michael Irvin on?  He gets so worked up about the stupidest **** anymore on air.  Can they please fire him already?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 10:26:17 am
Do any of these reporters watch the games?  They go on and on about the Bears oline giving up all these sacks.  They talk about 15 sacks in the pre-season and 9 in the Buffalo game alone. 

Do they realize Cutler was sacked twice the entire pre-season?  To compare Rodgers was sacked 6 times.

The line looked bad pass blocking the first pre-season game and have looked solid and shown improvement in every game since then.  I am concerned if it will hold true for the regular season but for the reporters to use the pre-season as a reason to think the Bears O-line sucks just does not hold water.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 11, 2011, 11:10:28 am
Finally. Football. Finally.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 11:28:20 am
GO BEARS!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 11, 2011, 11:29:48 am
All the ESPN guys are talking Jay Cutler's Body Language and Leadership yet again.  Do they ever get out of that studio or are they boxed up in that studio all off-season?  Even Da Coach piling on a little.  Wow, do some reporting guys.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 11, 2011, 11:30:45 am
Cutler can shut them up with his play. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 11:33:22 am
FOX guys were talking about the same thing.  What a non-story.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 11, 2011, 11:57:57 am
Go BEARS!!!!! 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 12:05:18 pm
Nice tribute! GOD BLESS THE USA!!!

GO BEARS!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 12:14:39 pm
Bah....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 11, 2011, 12:14:55 pm
GO BEARS!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 12:15:32 pm
3 zip....so so start. Gotta play D now...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 12:15:38 pm
3-0 Bears!


Nice drive.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 12:16:07 pm
Stop the run and get after Ryan.  Come on D!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 12:25:41 pm
Battle of FG's...3-3...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 12:26:23 pm
The Bears need to do a better job against the run.  They seem to be getting pretty good pressure even though Ryan is geting rid of the ball quickly.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 12:28:56 pm
Already tired of stupid holding penalties on kickoffs.....get it together....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 12:33:28 pm
Yea this isn't looking good here....Falcons on half a field...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 12:34:40 pm
That was BS.  If the Bears hit Ryan that late there would have been yellow laundery all over the field!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 12:36:39 pm
INT Urlacher!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 12:36:52 pm
That was a unreal pickoff by Url!! wow....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 12:37:27 pm
First sack..no reason for it either....Cutler had a guy wide open to his right....didn't see him.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 12:38:53 pm
BEARS TD TD TD!!! WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FORTE HELLUVA RUN!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 12:39:03 pm
TD BEARS!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 11, 2011, 12:39:33 pm
td!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 12:40:00 pm
Still can't get over how athletic a int that was by Urlacher...man....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 11, 2011, 12:40:03 pm
TD TD TD BEARS!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 11, 2011, 12:43:13 pm
BEARS BALL!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 12:45:21 pm
Man, need to convert here on 3rd and long.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 12:48:56 pm
Nice punt!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 12:52:17 pm
Nice return,good field positiong...let's GO!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 12:52:52 pm
Yea,good time to get the run game going....heh heh....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 12:55:15 pm
3rd sack, but it came after having to shuffle the OL because of a injury to Louis....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 12:57:12 pm
We need to get at least three here.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 12:58:00 pm
Lucky that wasn't picked but then the falcons are lucky pass interference wasn't called.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 12:58:52 pm
See how Davis runs?  That is how a TE is supposed to look witht he ball in his hands.

Not fallover Olsen.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 12:59:34 pm
13-3 Bears.  Should be more.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 11, 2011, 01:00:45 pm
ya know, i haven't seen a problem with center. hmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 01:01:14 pm
The top has to heavily favor the Bears at this point.  We need to be running the ball more.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 11, 2011, 01:04:29 pm
indy getting murdered. price you pay when held hostage by 1 person.  Collins ain't manning i guess.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 01:08:19 pm
A long time consuming drive for 7 would be very sweet right about now.  Oh and run the ball more or at least do a RB screen to slow up the pass rush.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 01:08:40 pm
24 zip Texans.....Manning IS the Colts. They are DOA without him. What were they THINKING getting "sure handed" Collins?? Good night Irene....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 01:14:14 pm
Just keep running the ball and run the time out and kick a field goal before half!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 01:21:03 pm
Go for the TD! Get some space for the second half. 20-3 would be a nice way to enter it...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 11, 2011, 01:22:09 pm
WTF? Roy now has glue on his hands. good.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 01:22:25 pm
They had that...wide open man. Easy TD...and he overthrows it...DANG!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 11, 2011, 01:25:57 pm
Well 3 FG's and a TD.

Something I expected but with a 16-3 lead going into the half isn't nothing to complain about.

Carimi has some work to do but I'm still glad he's on the team.  He'll get better.

3 sacks already in the first half is a bad thing too.  Still got work to do on the O-line.

Cutler is playing lights out in the first  half.  So is Roy Williams, Matt Forte,  & Johnny Knox.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 01:46:09 pm
Bears getting sloppy....can't let them score!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 01:50:53 pm
Very smart, heads up play by Reed the DE!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 01:52:02 pm
Bears need to score this drive and get momentum back.  Also the defense is going to need some rest.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 01:53:15 pm
ANOTHER fricking penalty on kickoff!! This is bs.....stupid!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 01:53:41 pm
Another stupid penalty.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 01:59:36 pm
That's a TD folks! NICE play!!!!!! Love the fake and then the quick toss to Hester...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 02:00:56 pm
That is most definately a TD!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 02:01:34 pm
The ball was a yard into the endzone when his foot came down out of bounds.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 02:03:30 pm
TD BEARS!!!

The first one was also blown call!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 02:03:46 pm
I'm tripping...the Bears are making this look TOO easy! And this is not wimp team they're whippin!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 11, 2011, 02:04:10 pm
wow is this fun to watch.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 02:07:32 pm
I'm very impressed with Reed at DE! This kid is smart!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 11, 2011, 02:08:51 pm
unbelievable
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 02:09:24 pm
Is this not unbelievable? HOLY cow! I'm impressed,definately!!!! 30-6 fella's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 02:10:18 pm
GO BEARS!!!

I am absolutely loving this!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 02:10:28 pm
HIT it Mr. Butters!! BEARS ROCKIN!!!! WHOOOOO!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 02:11:21 pm
This keeps up the Bears will be resting starters soon.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 02:12:44 pm
Well...we don't need any balls to bounce our way this day! We're MAKING it happen! This ain't luck.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 11, 2011, 02:13:24 pm
This could be a fun year!  ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 02:15:17 pm
Tell ya what, this could be a VERY tough division this year. Pack's looking tough, Bears dismantling the top NFC seed and Lions all over Tampa....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 02:19:57 pm
I am so glad we kept Reed.  That guy is fast as hell, relentless and is very aware of what is going on in the football game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 02:25:34 pm
When Reed went out to cover the think it was the TE in the redzone and stopped him,that was all Reed. He read that,followed the guy and stopped him....impressive. One play here,one play there made, and this makes all the difference in a game...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 02:27:20 pm
This is just flat out fun to watch...lol! OKOYE!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 11, 2011, 02:27:51 pm
Ryan's getting killed.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 02:28:00 pm
WOOT!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 02:28:15 pm
Bears are playing lights out right now. Everyone is 'A' gaming it...Tillman with a nice hit.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 11, 2011, 02:36:55 pm
Williams caught everything thrown to him. good job.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 03:07:44 pm
We are getting constant pressure with just the front 4.  This could be a very good year if they can do that week after week.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 03:07:56 pm
Bears D line looking fierce!! Pressuring Ryan and putting him on his butt with four guys...gotta love that.... 8)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 03:08:45 pm
Like minds, Peke  ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 03:12:14 pm
Cutler's had a pretty good day. Couple misthrows but thankfully nothing huge. Played a smart game...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 03:13:39 pm
Podlesh has been a good pickup....guy's got a leg! That was like a 50 yarder...he's kept the Falcons away from the red zone.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 03:15:15 pm
Other then the Lance Luois injury that went about as well as one could hope for.   The O-line needs to tighten up a bit but the Falcons have a pretty good defense.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 11, 2011, 03:17:28 pm
Good game.  A lot to build on.  I wonder how the talking heads will 'splain this!!!  LOL!!  GO BEARSSS!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davep on September 11, 2011, 03:18:14 pm
I expected the defensive line to be good.

They are far better than I expected.  If they can continue to create pressure with a 4 man rush, this will be an elite defense in the entire NFL.

The offensive line needs work, but I was not disappointed in it.  They will improve as the season goes on, if there are no substantial injuries.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 11, 2011, 03:21:51 pm
They went to the Chargers/Vikes game and the chick singer,some carbiolet whosit supposed 'grammy' winner is terrible! Horrible! Totally lame and a terrible choice. Liked the guy they chose for the Bears game...much better.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 11, 2011, 03:29:52 pm
Good game today.  Obviously many good things, but plenty for this team to work on.

Oline was adequate but Carimi and Webb need some seasoning at there positions before they are average.  Williams gave up 1 sack where he completely blow the block.  Some of the sacks where Cutlers fault for holding the ball way too long.  However many times where Jay did that was 3rd down and he was trying to make a play.  Gotta love his desire to make a !!play...but we need you all season man...throw the ball away!

We missed Barber in 3rd Q and they knew we would try to milk the clock. 

Reed played great he will quickly become a fan favorite if he keeps playing like he is. 

Good game by Knox.  Really all the WR's did fairly well. 

We are a complete team.  This season is going to be fun to watch
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: panthermark on September 11, 2011, 03:47:32 pm
Bears win!!!

That is all...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 11, 2011, 04:59:44 pm
I missed the Louis injury. Whats the word? Serious?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 05:10:38 pm
Not sure.

Spencer replaced him in the first half and he never returned. 

Roy Williams pulled his groin.  I have heard nothing about Louis.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 11, 2011, 05:24:41 pm
I heard one of the announcers say ankle on Louis, but not how bad.  Just said uncertain to return and obviously he did not return.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 11, 2011, 07:31:47 pm
Good game by Roy and Johnny. 

And that was a TD for Hester, bs call...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 07:33:02 pm
It was absolutely a TD.  It was also pass interference on the pass to Hester in the endzone that was almost picked off.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 11, 2011, 07:36:31 pm
Martz called a nice game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 11, 2011, 07:39:24 pm
Reed is Matthews without the needle...  Let's see some before and after pics of Reed...

Nice motor, relentless like the honey badger.

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 07:46:42 pm
LOL!

Is that Otto narrating?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: AZSteve on September 11, 2011, 07:56:35 pm
had to miss the game because of work,but it's on my DVR,getting ready to watch momentarily...nice way to start the season with an impressive win....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on September 11, 2011, 08:09:41 pm
Great game!  The front four getting awesome pressure on Ryan, Peppers, Melton, Okoye...

Cutler looked awesome and had adequate time despite the five sacks....Tons to build on in this game!  Gonna be a fun year, gents...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 11, 2011, 08:30:54 pm
good game, a little sloppy at times but a good game. HOpefully we can improve on it.
It was great to see Kellen Davis carrying tacklers. I think we are really going to like him.

Greg who?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 11, 2011, 09:18:02 pm
Good point. kids a monster.  Williams gone for some games? Hope not. They guy showed up for sure.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 11, 2011, 09:26:50 pm
With that oowie he wont play for several weeks.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 09:27:32 pm
Depends on how bad it is.  He could be back next week or out for several weeks.  I am guessing it is not real severe because he did his first down point before taking a seat on the bench after he went to the sideline.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 11, 2011, 09:33:42 pm
I didnt like the way he limped off.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 11, 2011, 09:41:14 pm
I am guessing you are correct and he will be out for several weeks.  It is to bad because he was playing well.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davep on September 11, 2011, 11:32:55 pm
We have a lot of WRs.  We shouldn't miss the guy that most everyone wanted to see cut last week.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 12, 2011, 12:00:47 am
What???? No mention of our DB's???

Matty Ice was looking downfield all day and not finding anything.

DB's won this game
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 12, 2011, 12:07:14 am
Everyone had a good game except Carimi and Webb but even they did ok considering it was the first game and the Falcons D-line is pretty darn good.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 12, 2011, 12:30:49 am
Everything went well in the game EXCEPT the 4 sacks of J-Cut.  Got to do something about protecting him better.  Next week should be a pretty good offensive game once again for the Bears with the Saints D looking like the same as it did against the Seachickens in the playoffs last year.

I expect to see another win by the Bears Sunday.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 12, 2011, 06:18:06 am
Pekin - That is the infamous honey badger video making the rounds on the internet.  It is evern referred to on that one vido game commercial.  I am guessing that is Otto's voice also...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on September 12, 2011, 07:36:15 am
Funny there was no mention of the crappy turf at Soldier Field yesterday...

Bears Defense will be faster on the turf in the Superdome
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 12, 2011, 08:04:16 am
I expect the field will be fine until it cools off some.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 12, 2011, 08:32:32 am
What a good opening weekend !

I'm not sure if the Bears D is scary good or the Atlanta Oline is just scary bad. Probably a little of both.....

I don't think I've seen as many "chunk" plays (15+ yards at a clip) by the Bears O in.. well almost forvever (sometimes Jimmy Mac would have days like that)....

Good win. Here's hoping there's no letdown vs the Saints (their D is pissed at their play vs GB)......

The D still gave up over 300 yards though. Five sacks is nice. DB's and whole team swarmed to the ball.....

ST looked good- not great but definitely good.....

I worry a little about the injury to the Oline though....

Go Bears !
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 12, 2011, 08:36:58 am
I felt Spencer played very well considering he has hardly played guard before and rarely gets snaps there in practice.  It will be interesting to see if Tice Switches Garza and Spencer or leave them as is. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 12, 2011, 08:45:36 am
To be honest I dont know what to expect next Sunday. I hope the front 4 pressure continues and the Oline improves. I didnt think our run game was dominant enough, nor was our pass protection satisfactory.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 12, 2011, 08:52:04 am
The Falcons had 8 in the box more often then not on first down.  I think the plan was to run the ball but the Falcons plan was to shut down the run and make Cutler beat them.  He did.

The pass protection needs to improve but not many teams have that good of a D-line plus the O-line should improve as the season goes on.  My biggest concern is can the O-line and the offense in general handle blitzes. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 09:02:19 am
Props to Lovie and the boys for a really solid effort in all three phases. This is one of those "quality wins" that should go a long ways towards restoring some respect for the Bears, which will increase even more if we can duplicate it next week on the road vs. the Saints.

QB - I really wanted to give Cutler an "A" but that misfire to Kellen Davis on the gadget play in the red zone...  yikes. Still...  his much improved conditioning, footwork and leadership were all on display and paying off big-time. His stat line at halftime would have been considered a banner game for most of the QBs we've had here (at least in my lifetime). Remains to be seen if he can have that much success against a D-backfield that roughs up our WRs, but he sure looks like he's ready to take his game to the next level.  Grade = B+ which would have been a solid "A" if not for botching the easy TD throw to Davis, and the pick.

RB - Forte was the man and Bell did a nice job in reserve. We're still missing a power component to our run game but hopefully we get that when Barber gets back and/or the OL continues to jell.  Clutts is going to be a fan favorite very soon if he keeps showing the effort he did yesterday.  He took out two guys on that Forte screen pass TD alone. Grade = B+

WR - I've been ragging this unit all preseason but they all did a great job finding the holes in the D yesterday, their hands were solid and I saw a lot of good downfield blocking. Roy Williams was on his way to a nice game before pulling up lame. Hester's run after catch on what should have been a TD play, was unreal. Knox and Sanzenbacher played very well. Bennett, curiously, was the quiet one but this unit as a whole did their jobs well, right across the board. Grade = A

TE - Spaeth and Davis did great as WRs...  spotty on the pass protection. Still though, a very solid outing and those two are going to cause DCs some problems this year I think.  Grade = B+ ...  would have been an A if not for some blocking breakdowns.

OL - A solid overall performance marred by some individual breakdowns.  Webb clearly was the weak link but was going against one of the best in the game in Abraham. Carimi and Chris Williams also had some "teaching moments". Garza and Spencer (playing out of position) were solid on the inside, especially giving Cutler room to step up on his passes.  Grade = B

DL - The best base pass rush I have seen from this unit in years. Watching them pummel Ryan especially towards the end of the game was a thing of beauty. The DTs in particular are miles ahead of previous years when Tommie Harris was bringing the whole unit down.  Peppers was bringing it all day and Reed made me a believer. Granted they were going against a patchwork Falcons OL but if they can build on this it will really make our D tough to beat.  Grade = A

LB - Big-time game by #54.  Good to see the guy still has some game changing ability left in the tank. Other LBs played well too, minus a couple of Turner runs that went for more than they should have.  Grade = B+

DB - This group really exceeded my expectations. I thought Tillman played his best game in the last 4 or 5 years yesterday. Tackling by this unit was solid and they worked nicely together with the DL pass rush to make for very few "easy" completions for Ryan, especially downfield. Merriwether didn't wow me but he didn't have any big screwups either which for having a week in a new system is about all you can ask. Grade = A

STs - Too many penalties but otherwise not much to fault them for.  Grade = B

Coaching - Well done by the whole crew.  Lovie was absolutely right to challenge the Hester non-TD, and should have won it. Martz called a very good game though I would like to see him get less cute down in the red zone and just rely on our big bodies more. The D was dialed-in all day and as I said before, DL play in particular was outstanding.



Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 12, 2011, 09:03:21 am
Bears won by 18. The atl td was a fluke and that on fg should have been a touchdown. That would have been 34-6. Either way, They really looked good. The big tall guy I was ragging on is really gonna help, that TE is a monster and all of a sudden the Bears have a secondary.  I thought 54's days of doing what he did yesterday were long over.  That dline is gonna knock out some qb's you watch.  Juicy!!  I wonder if Indy 8 was watching his fav team yesterday? Or he has a new fav team already?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 09:27:38 am
What was the deal with Forte playing so little the 2nd half?  Hope he didn't get dinged.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 12, 2011, 09:29:15 am
They were winning big and did not want to risk him getting hurt.  So they used Bell.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 12, 2011, 09:34:05 am
I was dissapointed that the gadget play didn't work because of Cutlers throw but it still has some value. Anything that gives defensive coordinators another thing to worry about is a good thing. They are going to have to worry  about our TE's now. Now what is that line about Marts not using TE's? Martz deserves some credit. He called a good game. Let's hope he keeps it up and doesen't get too full of hmself and start acting crazy.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: wmljohn on September 12, 2011, 09:34:47 am
LOL!

My Wife's FB status yesterday around the middle of the first half of the game...

Quote
The bears must be doing somethin good lol I hear Bill actin a fool from all the way down stairs lol
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 12, 2011, 09:37:09 am
I would love to see the D play like yesterday against the Pack, and give Rodgers some lumps. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 12, 2011, 09:37:48 am
that big run by Turner, Urlacher got sucked in by Ryan's bootleg, the middle of the field was wide open.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 10:33:16 am
I would love to see the D play like yesterday against the Pack, and give Rodgers some lumps.

Me too...  but the Packers OL is much better than the Falcons, and Rodgers is a lot more mobile than Ryan.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 10:36:59 am
I felt Spencer played very well considering he has hardly played guard before and rarely gets snaps there in practice.  It will be interesting to see if Tice Switches Garza and Spencer or leave them as is.

That's a tough call.  Garza and Spencer are both playing out of position so you could make the argument for swapping the two...  OTOH, they did pretty well yesterday so maybe you stick with what's working.  Also, with the C making the line calls, I could see Garza staying there due to his greater experience both with the Martz offense and in general.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on September 12, 2011, 11:50:37 am
Corey Graham looked like a cartoon figure or something out there after his ST tackles... looked like he was gonna fall backwards and then he springs right back up
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: wizard61 on September 12, 2011, 11:57:03 am
that misfire to Kellen Davis on the gadget play in the red zone... 

Are we sure Davis should not have been moving towards where the throw went?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 12, 2011, 11:59:35 am
I think you would have seen more emotion from Cutler if it had. Looked to me that Cutler knew he missed an opportunity.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 12:09:07 pm
I think you would have seen more emotion from Cutler if it had. Looked to me that Cutler knew he missed an opportunity.

That was just a stupid play to begin with. Martz called a good game for the most part yesterday, but our red zone offense was (once again) very slow out of the gate.  Hopefully when Barber gets back we'll be seeing 3-yd rushing TDs in those situations instead of silly arena league plays like that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 12, 2011, 12:13:11 pm
That was a brilliant play to the TE! Everyone followed Cutler to the other side. Had he made that throw, Davis could have crawled into the endzone it was so open. They were raving about it on NFL network.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 12:22:41 pm
The people who are downing our OL for the 5 sacks need to realize that one of those sacks was Cutler falling on the ball after he dropped it, and another was Cutler taking off running and not getting back to the line of scrimmage.  Only 3 of the sacks yesterday can legitimately be hung on the OL, although in fairness, Cutler took some pretty big hits after he released the ball too and those actually concerned me more than the sacks.

Yeah the OL had some issues but they are a better unit by miles than the crew that started Game 1 of last season... and, from what I can tell, not too far behind where they were at the end of last year, which is saying something considering all the shuffling that went on during a very abbreviated preseason.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 12:25:58 pm
Corey Graham looked like a cartoon figure or something out there after his ST tackles... looked like he was gonna fall backwards and then he springs right back up

I'm glad we got Corey Graham back. He's an exceptional athlete and one of the better special teamers in the league.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 12, 2011, 12:29:20 pm
I only saw one of the sack that was a big hit, most of the others he just seemed to get dragged down.
I didn't really pay attention to the hits that weren't sacks.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 12:32:22 pm
I only saw one of the sack that was a big hit, most of the others he just seemed to get dragged down.
I didn't really pay attention to the hits that weren't sacks.

There was one where he was in our own end zone, threw the ball away and got hammered. It was either Webb or Kellen Davis who got beat on that one.

Kellen is damn near as big as an OT but I don't think we want him matched up on DEs in pass protection too often.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 12, 2011, 12:34:31 pm
5 sacks?  I thought it was 4.

Still way too many.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 12:39:05 pm
What I was really encouraged by was how many times we successfully got ourselves out of 3rd-and-8 or longer.  Obviously it's better not to get into those situations in the first place but when we do it's good to know we have a fighting chance.  And especially now with the new kickoff rule pretty much ensuring we're going to have to sustain drives on a long field more often than before.

Back in the day 3rd-and-long was the kiss of death for our noodle-armed QBs and WRs who always seemed to come up a yard or two short.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 12, 2011, 12:49:09 pm
I also thought on a couple of those sacks that Cutler held the ball too long waiting for something to happen.
That is how he gets those big chunks but also might lead to him getting killed.

Our OL will get better though.
I think Martz kind of dumb-ed things down a little towards the end to maybe not show anything to the next opponent.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 12:55:21 pm
The interior 3 of our OL are going to be really critical to how well Cutler and the offense do this year.

I think we can plan on Webb getting beat several times a game, at least in the early going. As long as Cutler can step up in the pocket we have a chance to survive that, but if a team starts getting pass rush up the middle as well, we're screwed.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: wmljohn on September 12, 2011, 01:18:57 pm
That is one thing we know he can do effectively that he didn't do much of yesterday is tuck it and run...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 01:34:07 pm
That is one thing we know he can do effectively that he didn't do much of yesterday is tuck it and run...

Yeah I noticed that too.  I wonder if that has anything to do with how much weight he's lost?  He's listed at 220 lbs this year (down 13 lbs from his listed weight last year) and based on how he looks I'd be surprised if he even weighs that much. A QB at 235 can take (and deliver) a lot more punishment on the run than a guy that's 220 or less. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 12, 2011, 01:38:02 pm
Wait Cutler is under 220?  ****!

Now he has to shut up and take a seat on the bench or get cut. 

Logic Rules!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 01:43:03 pm
This is good news if true:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-barber-expected-to-return-to-practice-20110912,0,1082418.story

Having Barber available for the Saints game would be huge.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on September 12, 2011, 01:54:56 pm
Excellent game for the Bears.

The NFCN will be tough this season.  The old Black and Blue is back.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 12, 2011, 01:56:48 pm
The old Black and Blue is back.

What, not the yellow and green? 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 02:14:06 pm
Could not have asked for a better game than yesterday to get the stench of that NFC Championship loss out of Soldier Field.

Having that opera dude sing the Anthem again was a win, too.  I haven't seen a Soldier Field crowd that jacked before kickoff in a long time. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 02:33:06 pm
I'm reading a lot of stuff on PFT today about major problems with game coverage via DIRECTV / Sunday Ticket yesterday.  Screen lockups, homes and sports bars not getting signals, etc.

Thankfully, the Bears game was shown over-the-air here so I had no problems whatsover, but I'm curious if anyone here had problems. It seems like as with so many other things these days, people are paying more than ever and getting less.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 12, 2011, 03:10:01 pm
Sorry to hear if anyone couldn't see the game. Mine was fine.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on September 12, 2011, 04:02:16 pm
No problems at all...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 12, 2011, 04:13:00 pm
Apparently the most widespread issues were with the new Sunday Ticket To-Go (mobile streaming) service but a lot of sports bars wound up dark on their TV service too.  Definitely not what you want on Opening Sunday.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 12, 2011, 05:14:03 pm
No problems by me at all either.....

I saw the beatdown in glorious Hi-Def :D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 12, 2011, 05:17:39 pm
Isn't it great? no matter how hammered you get, its still clear. Can't beat it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on September 12, 2011, 06:19:32 pm
Could not have asked for a better game than yesterday to get the stench of that NFC Championship loss out of Soldier Field.

Having that opera dude sing the Anthem again was a win, too.  I haven't seen a Soldier Field crowd that jacked before kickoff in a long time.

Did you notice, right after Cornelius started singing the anthem, they showed Matt Ryan, who suddenly looked intimidated....

:  )
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 12, 2011, 10:14:52 pm
I'm reading a lot of stuff on PFT today about major problems with game coverage via DIRECTV / Sunday Ticket yesterday.  Screen lockups, homes and sports bars not getting signals, etc.

Thankfully, the Bears game was shown over-the-air here so I had no problems whatsover, but I'm curious if anyone here had problems. It seems like as with so many other things these days, people are paying more than ever and getting less.

Bears was my local game in O-town, but watched Red Zone Channel with no issues during 2nd games
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Post by: Pekin on September 12, 2011, 10:41:46 pm
I don't have direct tv but my understanding was it was problems with mobile apps and PS3's or something like that.  Not their regualr service.
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Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 13, 2011, 06:22:38 am
No problems watching ticket here.  Great game hoping for a repeat this week!
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Post by: chifaninva on September 13, 2011, 07:53:17 am
Yep, I checked out the "game to go" on my ipad, just to see if it worked. Glad you guys mentioned the problem, cause I was like, WTF? Something was drastically wrong. I was checking my internet speed thinking maybe it was me.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 13, 2011, 07:58:00 am
The game locked up after a few seconds so i did the 5 minute reset abd the same lockup over and over..  I called and they had a message they were having problems so nothing I could do.  Went to another TV regulat def. and that worked un til they resolved the problem in the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 13, 2011, 08:43:26 am
Yep, I checked out the "game to go" on my ipad, just to see if it worked. Glad you guys mentioned the problem, cause I was like, WTF? Something was drastically wrong. I was checking my internet speed thinking maybe it was me.

Yeah...  not good, especially when they had those ridiculous Deion Sanders ads going around the clock to promote the service.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 13, 2011, 01:19:31 pm

I figured our d-line would do well against a Falcons line starting 2 guys without an NFL start plus their LT Sam Baker gives up a lot of sacks.  He lines up against Peppers.  Nuff said.  Melton showed these flashes last season in a part time role when he was undersized for the position.   There's a new sheriff in town.

Our O-line, particularly are tackles did OK - obviously there is room for improvement.  In Martz offense the line is going to give up pressures due to the amount of time needed for the patterns to develop.    Cutler really didn't have a monster game but given time he can be efficient and really hurt a defense.  Actually, some of Cutler's best throws were the ones he threw out of bounds.

And on the play that Cutler overthrew Davis on the sure TD pass, it was Davis who stopped his route short.   Cutler threw to a spot...if he had more time I'm sure he could have adjusted his throw.   I know some of you Olsen-haters think Davis can do no wrong but he had a so-so day.  He's definitely a load but I think we'll see him used more down the field in the future.

Briggs, and Roach were kind of quiet, as were our safeties.  Tillman whiffed on a bunch of tackles.  Did anyone see the long Turner run where Tillman runs right by the runner to a spot on the other side of the field?  I saw him do the exact same thing last year.  But his ball punch was huge and he more than made up for some of his tackling miscues by some timely pass defenses.

As for Forte, pay the man!

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on September 13, 2011, 01:42:02 pm
I agree with all of that.

I think you short-sell Cutler a bit, though...given time, he will absolutely shred a defense.
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Post by: yapper on September 13, 2011, 01:47:14 pm
And on the play that Cutler overthrew Davis on the sure TD pass, it was Davis who stopped his route short.   Cutler threw to a spot...if he had more time I'm sure he could have adjusted his throw.   I know some of you Olsen-haters think Davis can do no wrong but he had a so-so day.  He's definitely a load but I think we'll see him used more down the field in the future. 

Cutler and Kellen just need a little more time to get it together. That play was a lot more complicated than it needed to be so Martz wasn't doing them any favors there either. Davis is going to physically outmatch most guys he goes up against on the goal line so why try to get all tricky about it?

I think Cutler will find Davis in the end zone at least a few times this season before it's all said and done.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 13, 2011, 02:32:12 pm
I agree with all of that.

I think you short-sell Cutler a bit, though...given time, he will absolutely shred a defense.

I didn't mean to.  Cutler didn't really have many long passes did he?  The long pass PLAYS were actually very short passes.  Cutler had a lot of short and intermediate throws - basically taking what the defense gave him.

A very good game...not a monster game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 13, 2011, 02:41:17 pm
I remember several of Cutler's throws that traveled a good distance through the air.

True, Cutler's yardage was greatly aided by the huge RACs by Forte and Hester, but the other way to look at it is that Cutler did his job of getting those guys the ball in a position where they could do something with it.  There are plenty of teams in the league wishing they had a QB who could do that (see Minnesota Vikings).
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Post by: Dave23 on September 13, 2011, 03:41:55 pm
Hard to tell from ESPN's recap, but he had throws of 23 and 25 yards in the 1st quarter, to Williams and Knox, respectively...

He had several completions of 12-20 yards as well, (which ESPN refers to as short passes), which, by the time you consider his drop back, are probably 18-25 yard passes...fwiw...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 13, 2011, 03:59:33 pm
He had several completions of 12-20 yards as well, (which ESPN refers to as short passes), which, by the time you consider his drop back, are probably 18-25 yard passes...fwiw...

12 to 20 yards is a "short pass?" LOL, from the perspective of old-school Bears fans any pass over 15 yds is a big play.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 13, 2011, 04:16:15 pm
The fact is very few big pass plays are thrown more then 10-15 yards.  Most have yac.

The long bomb is a very low percentage pass.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 13, 2011, 05:35:15 pm

Martz rarely threw deep the first half of last year but opened things up later on.

Yes, the bomb is a low percentage pass - it serves its purpose even if not completed.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 13, 2011, 07:39:50 pm
Provided its not intercepted
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Post by: Pekin on September 13, 2011, 08:40:27 pm
Then it is as good as a punt.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 13, 2011, 09:01:03 pm
Brady wasn't complaining last night about Welker's YAC...
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 14, 2011, 09:08:41 am
Then it is as good as a punt.

Provided there is no runback. Say it was intercepted at the 5 yard line and the DB runs it back to the 50 or whereever. That gives the intercepting team a distinct advantage. It shortens the field drastically.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 14, 2011, 09:16:41 am
Sure hope Urlacher is available to us on Sunday.

I won't say it's a sure loss if we don't have him, but it is going to put a lot more pressure on our O cause we're gonna be giving up more points than we would with him in there.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 14, 2011, 12:36:38 pm
Provided there is no runback. Say it was intercepted at the 5 yard line and the DB runs it back to the 50 or whereever. That gives the intercepting team a distinct advantage. It shortens the field drastically.

So what's your point - don't ever throw long?  Any pass can be intercepted and returned for a TD.   For example, an out pattern is a much more difficult throw for a QB and has a greater chance for a pick 6.

Sunday, the Falcons were rarely blitzing and playing a 2 deep zone.  Not very conducive to throwing deep patterns. 

Other teams will blitz more and play their CBs tighter and take more risks.  With a set of speed receivers like Knox, Williams and Hester the Bears would be foolish not to send them deep when the situation is right.

Or do you have this old philosophy:   "Three things can happen when you put a ball in the air -- and two of them are bad."


Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 14, 2011, 01:47:52 pm
If Urlacher plays Sunday, I expect he will be unstoppable.

If he doesn't, then the rest of our D will just have to man-up and cover his absence as a team. And our offense as well cause we're gonna need points.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: wizard61 on September 14, 2011, 07:20:16 pm
on the play that Cutler overthrew Davis on the sure TD pass, it was Davis who stopped his route short.   Cutler threw to a spot...

That was my first thought as well. My second was "How does everyone KNOW that the QB made the mistake and that the receiver was not supposed to be moving? Someone mentioned Cutler's reaction, but really, both players knew what should have happened & it was a painful moment for them.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 15, 2011, 04:38:17 am
As soon as the ball left Cutlers hand, Davis should've reacted by moving back. The throw was off, but not all that much. If the play works, everyone would be raving. For sure wasn't a perfect game, lot's to improve on..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 15, 2011, 08:34:51 am
That was my first thought as well. My second was "How does everyone KNOW that the QB made the mistake and that the receiver was not supposed to be moving? Someone mentioned Cutler's reaction, but really, both players knew what should have happened & it was a painful moment for them.

What I'm worried about is the next time we try that play, the D will have it figured out and somebody's gonna pick that pass right out of the air and take it back 95 yards the other way for the TD.  Best thing to do with that page of the playbook is take it out and burn it.  We've got enough big bodies now that we shouldn't have to resort to arena league crap like that.
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Post by: davebear on September 15, 2011, 08:59:39 am
plays like that force the defense to work during the week on accounting for all possible receivers.

No jail breaks into the backfield
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Post by: Bears4Ever on September 15, 2011, 09:02:38 am
We may get a glimpse of this team "AU" (After Urlacher) this weekend. Let's hope the team steps up to the plate (yeah, wrong sports metaphor, but what the hell :D)...
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Post by: Keysbear on September 15, 2011, 09:21:36 am
plays like that force the defense to work during the week on accounting for all possible receivers.

No jail breaks into the backfield

Agree completely...I liked the play even though it failed.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 15, 2011, 09:57:11 am
What I'm worried about is the next time we try that play, the D will have it figured out and somebody's gonna pick that pass right out of the air and take it back 95 yards the other way for the TD.  Best thing to do with that page of the playbook is take it out and burn it.  We've got enough big bodies now that we shouldn't have to resort to arena league crap like that.

I ran that play on my kids' flag football team.  We'll run it first without the the pass back to see if the defender stays home with the receiver.  If he follows the roll out we run the play with the pass across the field.

I think the Bears should keep the play for a rainy day. 

Not this week...maybe not next week.  But sometime down the road.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 15, 2011, 09:44:48 pm

 IF WE WIN AT N.O.

 ESPN sez teams starting 0-2 have a 12% chance of making the playoffs.

 A WIN in N.O. sez odds are we will never see them again.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 16, 2011, 08:14:44 am
OTOH a loss to the Saints could mean they go to the playoffs and we don't...  if it comes down to a wildcard tiebreaker.

Yeah, you could say there's a lot riding on this game.
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Post by: Phill23 on September 16, 2011, 09:34:44 am
30-20 Bears
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Post by: yapper on September 16, 2011, 09:55:41 am
I'll second Phill's prediction.

Harrassing Brees and containing Sproles will be the keys. I think our offense can hold their own, provided of course that protection holds up and Martz doesn't brain-cramp in the playcalling dept.

I look for Forte, Peppers and Urlacher to have particularly big days on the fast track.

Sounds like Merriwether and Major Wright will be our starting S tandem...  a high risk/high reward tandem if there ever was one, but if our DL brings its A game again we should still be OK.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on September 16, 2011, 09:58:29 am
34-16 Saints.
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 16, 2011, 10:49:00 am
No way
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Post by: yapper on September 16, 2011, 10:56:49 am
I don't see a blowout either way in this one... 10 points or less.

If there is a blowout, we're more likely to be on the losing end and that would be if our D totally fails and the Saints repeatedly stuff our red zone offense.
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Post by: navigator on September 16, 2011, 11:10:59 am
Wright and Merriweather both bring the heat, they could lose two more WR's this game.
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Post by: yapper on September 16, 2011, 11:12:43 am
Wright and Merriweather both bring the heat, they could lose two more WR's this game.

Or we could get smoked for 2 or 3 deep TDs from blown coverages or missed tackles.  Like I said, with those two at S, it's high risk / high reward.

Also got to keep an eye on their TEs.
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Post by: dallasbear on September 16, 2011, 01:15:05 pm
It all starts up front.  I don't see many playmakers on the Saint defensive line.  Sedrick Ellis is a nice DT but beyond him is just a bunch of journeyman type.  The do have first round pick Cameron Jordan, but who knows what he can do.   

What could work against our line is the fast surface and the crowd noise.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 16, 2011, 01:43:23 pm
Good point on the noise.

I could see Webb and Carimi each snagging 2 or 3 false starts apiece on Sunday.

Interesting thing, I'm looking at the Saints roster and seeing Alex Brown.  I thought sure they had cut him.  ? ? ?

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 16, 2011, 02:14:48 pm

They did.  Look at the roster on nfl.com.
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Post by: yapper on September 16, 2011, 02:50:07 pm
OK...  obviously the roster on the Saints Website is out of date, then.

In fact, looking at the Saints Website it doesn't look like parts of it (i.e., the schedule on the homepage) have been updated since before Labor Day.
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Post by: dallasbear on September 16, 2011, 04:55:22 pm

Figures.  In New Orleans no one is in a hurry to do anything.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on September 16, 2011, 07:07:57 pm
When Thompson was kooking for a new HC the topl two on his search list were McCarthy and Peyton.  He chose McCarthy and Peyton went to NO,  Good eye.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 17, 2011, 01:48:23 am
27-20 Saints. It's very hard to beat a fast offense on their own turf. The speed of what they're doing makes it very hard on that fast surface...they are also in a must win type situation.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 17, 2011, 02:00:27 am
Their defense stinks!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 17, 2011, 10:21:48 am
I think this game will come down to our offense vs. their defense.

Our defense plays better on turf.  The whole defensive scheme is based on speed.  We know the Saints are going to get their yards on offense and they will score a few TD's.  They are just to good to keep out of the endzone all day.  Sporty, I doubt the Saints score 27 points unless they win the TO battle.

Our offense is going to have to score themselves several times.  If our offense can move the ball, run time off the clock and score TD's instead of FG's the Bears have a very good chance to win.  I think it is going to take more then 20 points to win this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on September 17, 2011, 10:50:04 am
Bears 24-20...
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Post by: boogie on September 17, 2011, 10:59:16 am
Hmmm, Chris Harris out and Brandon Meriweather to start.  I wish he had a little more time to pick up the system and lingo.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 17, 2011, 12:46:40 pm
Poll over at the Trib says that over 75% of the responees believe the Bears will win either a close game or win big vs the Saints. Thats pretty optimistic.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davep on September 17, 2011, 12:52:42 pm
I agree with Sportster.  27 - 20 Saints sounds reasonable.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 17, 2011, 01:39:48 pm

Bears are HUGE underdogs at 7 points.

Brees is the superstar on their offense with Colston out...and he's got a solid O-line, but someone else will have to step up for the Saints for them to score more than 20.   Could be their HB, maybe Sproles, Devery Henderson...   Bears missing Chris Harris could cost them.

Saints D looked bad last week, but Packers can do that to a lot of teams.  I just don't see their front 4 dominating and their DBs are banged up too.

Could be some points scored Sunday - could go either way.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 17, 2011, 05:24:24 pm
Chicago Bears – Julius Peppers-DE

Written by: SR360 Contributor on September 17, 2011.

Virtually every member of the Bears defense will travel to Lovington, N.M., today to attend funeral services for Brian Urlacher’s mother, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. Julius Peppers has rented a private plane to take him and many of his teammates to the services before returning to New Orleans, where the Saints host the Bears on Sunday.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 17, 2011, 05:24:57 pm
Class move by Peppers.  Now why didn't the Bears take care of this?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 17, 2011, 06:16:06 pm
Amazingly good question. Maybe the too cheap theorists will have an answer
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Post by: packrat on September 17, 2011, 06:34:37 pm
Congrats to Pepper and the teammates attending.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 17, 2011, 07:08:02 pm
I expect the bears have to CYA, if they rent a plane for Urlacher, they have to rent one for the next guy that has a death in the family.
The league could likely also figure out some way to say it is some kind of compensation and apply it against the salary cap.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 17, 2011, 08:22:21 pm
So I have been reading the Saints board for shi'ts and giggles.   For some reason the majority think they will blow out the Bears and at worse they win a close one.  Apparently the Bears and Saints have a rivalry.  Who knew?

Also they hate Chicago fans.  Probably because of the stupid sign by some assclowns at the championship game in 2006.

I am not posting there but several knowledgeable Bears fans are and they will not listen to reason.  They can not comprehend how the turf helps the Bears defense.  The Bears fans tend to think it will be close could go either way but of course predict a Bears win.  The Saints are certain it will be blow out by ty the Saints cause the fans want it so bad...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 17, 2011, 08:34:38 pm
IMHO,

Bears win.  Score will be close but we will dominate all phases of game.  27-26 Bears.  Score makes it seem close but anyone who watches game knows Bears are the better team.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on September 17, 2011, 09:30:10 pm
34-16 Saints.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 18, 2011, 05:39:04 am
Don't we need JBN to weigh in on a prediction?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 18, 2011, 05:58:54 am
I doubt we need Otto's either. I'd hate to see what his is next week, something like 150-0.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on September 18, 2011, 08:06:05 am
If the Bears win today, I'll be hard pressed not to wet myself in anticipation of next week's game
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 18, 2011, 11:38:14 am

 Urlacher has to be playing with tears in his eyes today not only for the death of his mother but what his fellow defense did for him with the plane ride.

 A class act by all involved.  :)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 11:41:20 am
GO BEARS!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 18, 2011, 11:51:02 am
Don't we need JBN to weigh in on a prediction?

 BEARS 3

 SAINTS 63
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 12:10:06 pm
Both O's go three and out.

Bears need some qucik throws to get things rolling.  The Saints are bringing lots of blitzes and the line is picking them up but no one is open so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 12:11:31 pm
FORTE for 42 yards!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 12:13:14 pm
WOW!

Cutler making things happen.

Forte for a first down on the pass and he broke a tackle to get the first!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 12:14:20 pm
Bears need to come away with some points here and shut the crowd up. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 12:17:31 pm
Shouldn't that be a 15 yard penalty?

He speared him with his helmet. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 18, 2011, 12:18:19 pm
i thought u couldnt lead with ur helmet? flag?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 18, 2011, 12:18:46 pm
pricks
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 12:24:44 pm
Need a first down here.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 18, 2011, 12:25:39 pm
It would be nice to see some pass protection  for J-Cut sometime today.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 12:28:04 pm
TD BEARS!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 12:30:19 pm
The line is doing just fine.  Cutler is holding the ball too long trying to make somethign happen.  Against the Saints D he needs to throw it away if no one is open and live for another down.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 12:42:38 pm
7-3 Bears.

Got to extend this league.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 12:45:39 pm
Bennet was carted off to the locker room after that helmet to ribs hit.  I bet he has broken ribs.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 18, 2011, 12:52:01 pm
damn..that sucked balls
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 12:52:34 pm
10-7 Saints.  Wright sucks!

No way should that have been complete.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 18, 2011, 02:02:16 pm
Bears are being humiliated by a horrible Saints defense.  Cutler still blows.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 02:06:27 pm
Kellen Davis and Briggs both are big causes of those 7 Saints points.

This game sucks.  We lost Bennet and Carimi and we are going to lose.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 18, 2011, 03:06:54 pm
This team is a joke folks. Last week was a fluke.

Need a O-Line and a QB.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 18, 2011, 03:12:52 pm
Well we can see why Kellen Davis rides the bench.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 18, 2011, 03:16:30 pm
Because the OC doesn't know what to do with a TE on offense.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 18, 2011, 03:19:54 pm
Their red zone offense is so inept I'd rather they just kick the FG and get it over with.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 18, 2011, 03:21:58 pm
Finally able to get on here after the whole game it saying server maintenance or capacity problems.

As for this **** azz'd game, where to begin....what a fking mess. I'm so piszed. This is the DIRECT RESULT of Angelo blowing it year after year getting NO FKING HELP for this Offensive Line or at wideout!!! This isn't Cutler,not even close. This is fking ANGELO!!! I'd so like to fire his azz right this second.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 18, 2011, 03:26:55 pm
I agree with the poor play of the O-line (6 damn sacks) but I can't put it all on the WR's because Cutler had no time to throw.  Also with Bennett and Williams hurt it puts a lot of pressure on the others.  Also the same thing for Barber injuries.

Now #18 dropped a pass that I can recall.

But I have to wonder about Tice and his coaching the offensive line.  They looked very bad.  2010 bad!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 18, 2011, 03:28:56 pm
And I wonder how many folks are going to be bashing Olin Kreutz today.  Hmm.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 18, 2011, 03:29:40 pm
Bears **** the bed.  Whole team fail.

Injuries are biggest worry.  Lost another #1 Oline to injury...f*cin A.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 03:37:47 pm
The Bears two biggest weaknessses on this team are O-line and WR.  We lost our best WR and our best RT. 

Omiyale had two false starts and Webb had one.

Sanzenbacher is not ready to replace Bennett who was hurt when he was speared by a helmet.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 18, 2011, 03:44:00 pm
Epic fail on OL,  WR and Martz this week.  No excuses for injuries.  If backups can't step in, shame on Angelo and the Coaches.  This is the team Angelo and Lovie wanted.  With $30 mil under the cap, they had a lot of options.  It's one game, so trying keep perspective. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 18, 2011, 04:05:56 pm
I couldn't get on here during the game either.

I agree about Tice, I have to start wondering about his coaching ability. I know we're dealing with injuries, but come on! It became a jailbreak every damm play. It's a wonder Cutler is still in one piece after that game..

Now we get the Pack next week. I hope they can put this game behind them..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 18, 2011, 08:02:10 pm
Couldn't post during the game either.  If this is the norm, what to do? go someplace else?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 18, 2011, 08:03:50 pm
With the porous pass blocking I'd ask for a trade IMMEDIATELY if I were J-Cut.  You need a mobile QB with this offensive line because someone is going to be injured for the season if not a career.

Nice job Tice.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 18, 2011, 08:07:21 pm
10 sacks in 2 game is totally unacceptable.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 18, 2011, 08:15:20 pm
I thought the O-line did alright for most of the game.  They faltered a bit at the end when the game was out of reach and Carimi got hurt.   

Problem wasn't the O-line...at least not the pass blocking.  Granted we didn't have Roy Williams and Bennett, but Knox and Hester cannot get consistently open.  Sanzenbacher and Hester had huge 3rd down drops when they did.

I don't want to get into our TE situation, but I will.  WTF!   Saints TEs have 6 or 7 catches.  Ours have ZERO.  I thought Kellen Davis could block...but he almost got Cutler killed a couple times.  Martz might as well put in a 3rd OT.

Not to blame Davis, but he shouldn't be put into that situation so frequently.

The mad scientist Martz is back to his pass happy ways....again.  45 pass attempts....11 runs.  And I'm not even counting the pass plays that were sacks and QB runs.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 18, 2011, 08:20:16 pm
I thought the O-line did alright for most of the game.  They faltered a bit at the end when the game was out of reach and Carimi got hurt.   

Problem wasn't the O-line...at least not the pass blocking.

Must be joking
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 18, 2011, 08:21:12 pm

  Granted we didn't have Roy Williams and Bennett, but Knox and Hester cannot get consistently open.  Sanzenbacher and Hester had huge 3rd down drops when they did.

I don't want to get into our TE situation, but I will.  WTF!   Saints TEs have 6 or 7 catches.  Ours have ZERO.  I thought Kellen Davis could block...but he almost got Cutler killed a couple times.  Martz might as well put in a 3rd OT.

Not to blame Davis, but he shouldn't be put into that situation so frequently.

The mad scientist Martz is back to his pass happy ways....again.  45 pass attempts....11 runs.  And I'm not even counting the pass plays that were sacks and QB runs.

I can agree with the rest of this assessment.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 18, 2011, 08:23:45 pm
Back to 7 step drops....which don't work. Now people are hurt on a line with really little backup now. This all, and I mean all goes back to the gm. Made a mistake ignoring the oline over and over. Now the bears, espcially Cutler, pay.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on September 18, 2011, 08:25:01 pm
Ditka made comment on pregame show...when the Bears have run 25 or more times in las two seasons they are 10-0.  Time to run the damn ball more!!!!!

So much went wrong today I cannot even discuss as I am still sick to my stomach. Total day ruiner.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 18, 2011, 08:31:14 pm
Must be joking

Nope.  I thought Carimi, Webb, Garza, Williams and Spencer. did OK for most the game.  Cutler holds the ball waiting for WRs that never come open which puts a lot of pressure on the O-line.

So does runnng the ball 10 or 11 times. 

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 18, 2011, 08:32:35 pm

Bears have to work on the outside blitz pickups...they didn't see much of that against Atlanta.  They'll see it next week against the Pack...guarenfuckenteed.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 18, 2011, 08:36:38 pm
Better go max protect and shotgun. run everything out of that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 08:40:36 pm
When they go max protect the WR's can't get open.  Or Kellen Davis doesn't make his block and Cutler gets blown up and fumbles...

They should just throw to Forte every single down that is the one thing they do well consistently.

 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 18, 2011, 08:58:33 pm

deja vu  wasn't Troy Aikman complaining about our lack of a vertical game like 5 years ago?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 09:13:52 pm
Injurys are killing this team already.

Best WR Bennet is out as is Roy Williams.

Best safety Chris Harris is out.

The entire right side of a mediaocre at best o-line is out Lance Louis and Gabe Carimi.

Fact is the Bears have suffered game losing injuries to the worst possible spots.  Throw on top of that the Kellen Davis missed block which was the turning point in the game when Cutler was sacked and fumbled.  Then Briggs not playing his man correctly necause if he did it would have been a pick six instead of 7 for the Saints and you get what we saw.

Let's not forget Wright and Conte totally getting owned on the long Saints pass early in the game that NEVER should have been completed if they did their jobs correctly.

The season is not lost but the young guys need to get up to speed real quick.  And we need some of these guys to get healthy in a hurry.  It does not get any easier next week.

 



 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 18, 2011, 09:40:08 pm

Hard to speculate on the injuries. 

Carimi, appeared to get rolled up by Spencer when Spencer just fell while backpedaling,  didn't seem to be in a lot of pain - hopefully he'll be OK. 

Wright got his bell rung and nowadays they're very careful about those. 

I am hoping Bennett didn't break any ribs - most likely a deep bruise.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on September 18, 2011, 10:05:47 pm
Quote
Bears win.  Score will be close but we will dominate all phases of game.  27-26 Bears.  Score makes it seem close but anyone who watches game knows Bears are the better team.

Saints 34-16 was the prediction and 30-13 was final.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 18, 2011, 10:07:02 pm
Bennett got flattened! That was one ugly hit....

The Oline is a great percentage of our problems. If you noticed, Brees had alot more time than Cutler did. Many of Cutlers hits were as soon as he got back. Brees could do that,survey and fire. They have TWO ProBowl caliber guards,we have crap. When someone in management finally 'gets this',THEN we'll see this issue resolved. Until then, it's open season on Cutler and he will NOT survive this season with this **** line in front of him....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 10:09:22 pm
I will be shocked if Bennett does not have **** ribs.  The guy lead with the crown of his helmet.  Shocked there was no flag.  The way they are protecting receivers these days and that wasn't called?  Really?

Also how did the ball move several yards for a first down when Payton was yelling at the refs crying for a hitting out of bounds call?  Or the no review on the Sproles stepping out of bounds before he scored a TD?  Not saying it would of mattered but damn.

They have added so mnay spotty rules that it is hard for the refs to call them fairly.  Which to me says they are bad rules.

I have watched several other games today and the calls are all over the place.  Especially the calls on hits on WR's and QB's.  Those rules need to be reviewed cause right now the defense has no clue what they can or can't do.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 18, 2011, 10:09:32 pm
Cutler can play the diplomat all he wants but he's getting fed up with this, you can see it. If I'm him, I tell the GM,the coach,whoever will listen 'Listen,if you do NOT address this offensive line,I'm out of here,period!'. I wouldn't fault him one iota for it...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 10:14:17 pm
When Cutler was pissed and bitching at the QB coach it was because the plays were not getting in fast enough.  Hw was correct ot be pissed.  I was getting pissed also.

By the time the call came in he had less then 10 seconds to get to the line do the motions and snap the ball.  It was allowing the defense to tee off because they knew the ball had to be snapped.  It was ridiculous and I know it cost several time outs.

Plus it puts Cutler the O-line and the whole offense at a disadvantage.  There is no excuse for it.  Especially when it was happening over and over and even after game stoppages.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 18, 2011, 10:16:56 pm
Cutler can play the diplomat all he wants but he's getting fed up with this, you can see it. If I'm him, I tell the GM,the coach,whoever will listen 'Listen,if you do NOT address this offensive line,I'm out of here,period!'. I wouldn't fault him one iota for it...

 After the game Cutler loads up on chewing tobacco and spits in the face of everyone of his ...

 "Offensive Linemen".
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 18, 2011, 10:17:24 pm
Martz really screwed the pooch today too. This was as unbalanced a offense as I've ever seen from them. INexcusable to have so many passes and so few runs....I just hope they have this stupidity out of their systems now and they come out and light up GB at home by some miraculous intervention....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 10:23:12 pm
They absolutely need to run the ball.  However the pass was working.  The dump offs to Forte were golden.

They were getting 10 yards a clip with those.

The problems with pass protection started when the time and score dictated they had to pass.  Plus when they did run they were losing yards.

I am telling you the game was lost when Kellen Davis did not make his block and Cutler fumbled on the sack.  Then Briggs gave up a TD instead of being where he should of been which would have been a pick six.  Once the Saints got that far ahead the Bears were done.

   
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 18, 2011, 10:25:32 pm
Oh and what is wrong with Hester?

He had a terrible game today!  Knox wasn't a whole lot better.  Even Sanzenbacher dropped a few.

The Saints DB's were getting there pretty much the same time as the ball and our WR's lost that battle every time.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 18, 2011, 10:37:45 pm
Oh and what is wrong with Hester?

He had a terrible game today!  Knox wasn't a whole lot better.  Even Sanzenbacher dropped a few.

The Saints DB's were getting there pretty much the same time as the ball and our WR's lost that battle every time.

 A patchwork of OL and WR's came to play today ... and it showed.

 Cutler should be able to carry a GUN against G.B. for protection, it's only fair.

 Hopefully Raji and Matthews should be dead after watching the game tapes from multiple orgasms.

 So they shouldnt be a factor.  :-[  ::)  :P
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 19, 2011, 08:16:16 am
Is this the Giants game from last year? Do we get our sh!t together from here on out? If not, Cutler will be injured in no time. There were times Cutler had nowhere to go in a matter of seconds. I agree that he held on to the ball too long a few times, but most of it goes on the line..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 19, 2011, 08:32:56 am
It wouldn't have made one bit of difference in the outcome but can somebody explain why Cutler got flagged for intentional grounding and Brees did not on virtually identical plays. Any mention from the announcers? I was watching in a sports bar and couldn't hear any explanation but they did replay the Brees one a few times.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 08:44:21 am
QB - Cutler's accuracy was horrible. On the other hand he had no help from anyone on the field but Forte. He did throw a TD and he managed not to throw any picks which given the circumstances is a tremendous accomplishment.  Grade = C

RB - Forte is a flat-out stud and it's a shame his career is going to waste with this bunch of yahoos.  Kahlil Bell did nothing special in reserve. Grade = A+ for Forte and a C for Kahlil Bell for an average of B+ 

WR - This group was invisible pretty much all day and especially after Earl Bennett exited. It's very obvious that all a defense needs to do is rough up our WRs and our entire offense goes south.  That's a very bad thing.  Grade = C-minus and if not for Sanzenbacher's TD catch it would be much lower.  BTW Sam Hurd is terrible, both on teams and as a WR. I was actually wishing we had Rasheed Davis back.

TE - I'm a big Kellen Davis fan but if they coaches are trying to use him as a 3rd OT (as it appears they are), it ain't working. After getting Cutler pounded vs. the Falcons he had another terrible screw-up yesterday resulting in the strip sack, and was invisible as a pass catcher.  It's not his fault he's being misused but he was really struggling out there yesterday.  Grade = D and if this is all the coaches are going to use him for we might as well sit him down and play a proper 3rd OT in his place. 

OL - Wow. Could this group of stiffs have been any worse?  Even though the sack total was less than last year's Giants game, this group played every bit as poorly as that unit and maybe worse when you consider the punishment Cutler took on plays that weren't sacks.  This group was just flat-out awful and particularly our OTs who were beat on the edge time after time even when getting TE help. 

DL - Big letdown from this group after a great game in week 1.  They didn't totally suck but they didn't have a big impact either.  Grade = C minus

LB - Put up the least sucky performance of any of the defensive units.  Grade = B-minus

DB - CBs were adequate, not good. Safeties were godawful. Major Wrong and Chris Conte are the NFL's version of Dumb & Dumber, and Merriwether again failed to live up to his hype or his paycheck.  Grade = C-minus for the CBs and an F for the safeties for a D-minus average.

ST - Nothing really to complain about here although a return for TD would have been really welcomed yesterday.  Grade = B+

Coaching - Total coaching fail. These guys clearly got caught up in all the Urlacher drama and it affected not only the gamplanning (assuming we even prepared for this team, which was hard to tell), but in-game calls and adjustments (or lack thereof). The entire coaching staff was in a fog and the play on the field reflected that.  Why no challenge of the Sproles TD when he was clearly a full yard short?  And Martz in particular was dreadful. When the offense has to take 2 timeouts in the first QUARTER that tells you there's a real clusterf-uck going on on the sidelines.  Grade = F 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on September 19, 2011, 08:49:23 am
Saints were very determined to get a win... - and they had extra time to game plan...

Bears were in it before the injuries.

Any word on Carimi yet?

Refs were terrible - no consistency on calls - no replay on the one TD where the guy clearly stepped on the sideline before crossing the plane
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 08:55:26 am
I was wondering too about those two grounding calls.  Cutler's throw, it appeared to me, made it back to the LOS while Brees' didn't...  yet the rulings went exactly the opposite of that.

There was definitely a home team bias going on with the stripes yesterday but even with good officiating we still would have had our azzes handed to us.  The Saints weren't going allow us to take them to 0-2, and we clearly came into the game distracted by the Urlacher stuff and then we really checked-out after the early injuries.

It's hard to say whether these Bears are as good as the team that beat Atlanta or as bad as the team we saw yesterday.  Best-case scenario is that we're somewhere in between. I do know it's scary as h-ell to realize that the Packers hung 42 points on this same Saints D that stomped us into the turf yesterday.

As for next week I'm seeing Packers, 38-10 and Cutler doesn't finish the game. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 19, 2011, 09:09:08 am
supposedly Cutler's didn't get across the line of scrimmage and Brees throw did. Hellifiknow. That helmet hit on Earl should be a fine and or a game sit. The nfl better do something or next week ALL wideouts are going to get it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 19, 2011, 09:10:22 am
The Saints did what the Falcons did not- play man coverage on our recievers (who cannot win the 1:1 on a consistent basis) and blitz the hell out of the the offense and its game over. OVER.

Another year of Cutler's playable life is down the tubes (and he's taking punishment at a 3:1 ratio, so its like each season is like playing 3 seasons behind a typical NFL oline and offensive playcaller).

Not to mention Urlacher, Pep, Peanut and the gang are also not getting any younger......

Its only 1 game and they are 1 and 1, but this team is definitely not even near the top 3rd (or even bottom of the top 1/2) of the league......
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 09:14:56 am
Well hey at least we get to play the Chiefs and the Seahawks this year.

Although, we'll probably find a way to drop at least one of those games.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on September 19, 2011, 09:19:06 am
TEs got no catches yesterday - were they too busy BLOCKING?

If I don't have Bennett or Roy Williams - I'm looking for Davis or Spaeth!

Martz was watching fom the booth yesterday - maybe he needs binoculars
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 19, 2011, 09:20:12 am
I didn't get to watch this game but I did watch  part of the NE/SD  and part of the Phi/ATL game and one thing I noticed is most of the time those QB's get the pass off fast, especially early in the game. They get the pass out so fast that the rush doesn't have time to get there. Once they clicked a little they would try some longer stuff.
I think we need to mix in more short passing early to give the OL and Cutler.
One mississippi, two mississippi, throw the ball or throw it away.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 09:28:39 am
If it hadn't of been for Forte we would have been lucky to have 50 yards passing yesterday. And would probably have lost by 2 more TDs than we did.

Yeah, he's that important to this team and I think it's time he gets paid.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 19, 2011, 09:32:43 am
Bears offense does not really have a short passing game to the WRs and therein lies our problem.  Our midget WRs (Knox, Sanzenbacher and Hester) aren't physical enough or big enough to make a catch in traffic with a DB on them.  You need more than just speed in a tight space.   Bennett can...and you'd think Roy Williams would have the size but I'm not sure he has the guts.

Throughout the game (until the very end) Cutler had plenty of time but the receivers were blanketed.  This game reminded me somewhat of the Packer game at the end of the regular season and why I was so adamant that they sign a BIG time receiver in the offseason. 

A receiving TE might have helped yesterday...oh nevermind.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 19, 2011, 09:36:49 am

On the grounding plays I didn't listen to the announcer much so maybe they explained.  My opinion is that Cutler's knee was already down and it should have been ruled a sack.

As for Brees, his ball did not reach the LOS, but I don't recall how close it was to a receiver.  Looked like a ground to me.

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Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 09:41:49 am
As for Brees, his ball did not reach the LOS, but I don't recall how close it was to a receiver.  Looked like a ground to me.

That's what I couldn't figure out. As I understand the grounding rule, if the ball doesn't get back to the LOS it doesn't matter if there's a receiver in the area or not.  IIRC Brees was at least 15-20 yards behind the LOS when he threw and there's no way the ball went even that far.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on September 19, 2011, 09:43:35 am
I predict there will be a ton of Packer fans in the crowd this weekend to see a loss to the Pack.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 09:44:06 am
You'd think Roy Williams would have the size but I'm not sure he has the guts.

Roy Williams = Cyndi Rice with worse hands and a lower price tag. I was pretty stoked when we picked up him and Barber (more so Barber) from the Cowboys but so far they both have been total busts.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 19, 2011, 09:45:42 am
I think the grounding rule is something like if it is in the vicinity of the receiver you are ok.
If you are outside of the pocket it has to go past the LOS but doesn't have to be near a receiver.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 19, 2011, 09:57:56 am
By the end of the game Cutler was totally shell shocked.  He was sacked 6 times, but how many times was he hit/knocked down?  15-20 easy.  I dont blame him at all for being pis-sed.  I think that explains why his throws were off at the end.  And Sanzenbacher is ssslllooooowwwww.  I mean real slow. 

I also hate Joe Buck and his anti Chicago attitude.  And did you hear how giddy he was to say he would be doing the GB game next week?  He probably creamed his pants when he said that. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 19, 2011, 10:02:58 am
The Packers didn't exactly look like world beaters against Carolina.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 10:03:56 am
By the end of the game Cutler was totally shell shocked.  He was sacked 6 times, but how many times was he hit/knocked down?  15-20 easy.  I dont blame him at all for being pis-sed.  I think that explains why his throws were off at the end. 

Like I said, in terms of the punishment Cutler took I think you could argue that yesterday's OL debacle was actually worse than last year's Giants game.  Chrissakes the guy got kicked in the throat...  what kind of OL lets that happen to their QB?

On that one series towards the end when they kept sacking him and had us pushed us back to our goal line I was actually hoping he'd run out of the back of the end zone just as a big F U to Martz.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 19, 2011, 10:07:33 am
Maybe the OL and TE spent a little too much time on Bourbon Street. ; )  I think GB is going to totally dismantle us next Sunday.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 10:09:09 am
The Packers didn't exactly look like world beaters against Carolina.

Even though they're 0-2 Carolina is much improved. Chico has those guys on a fast track to competitiveness and Cam Newton has pretty much silenced even his most vocal critics. When those youngsters start learning how to win, look out.

That wasn't an easy game for the Pack and it damn sure won't be an easy game for us.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 10:12:48 am
Maybe the OL and TE spent a little too much time on Bourbon Street. ; ) 

I think the Urlacher thing dragged the whole team down. We got our azzes handed to us physically, no question, but focus and intensity were badly lacking as well. 

Teams that have exceptional talent and great coaching would have used Lavoyda's death as motivation to come out and have a world-beating performance (like Favre did on that Monday night game after his Dad died).  Unfortuately the Bears are extremely average (in both talent and coaching), and you saw the result yesterday against a highly motivated and very physical playoff-caliber team.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on September 19, 2011, 10:19:22 am
Even on a day with the less than usual stellar play of the Packers offense and defense we still found ourselves up 30-16 with two minutes to go and finished the job on the road.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on September 19, 2011, 10:37:07 am
Yapper

You're right about Carolina and in particular Cam Newton. I was a doubter about his abilities, but he has a strong arm and he can make all the throws. They did yesterday what the bears did for alot of his yards (max protect) and ran the WR's deep to throw underneath to the RB Stewart. But they also had a good WR in Smith and Newton can put the ball out to him on the go routes.

The Packers defense beat them yesterday by completely shutting down the their running game and forcing Cam to throw.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 19, 2011, 10:39:45 am
So, which is harder on the road....New Orleans or Carolina?  If the Packers played New Orleans like they played against Carolina they would have lost too. Both Bears and Packers need to step it up next week. Neither team was impressive in week 2...Packers just had the easier route.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on September 19, 2011, 10:47:11 am
Clearly right now its harder in New Orleans, but you guys folded in the second half. Due in large part to injuries and bad OC scheme.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 10:47:34 am
Neither team was impressive in week 2...Packers just had the easier route.

You're half right.  The Packers weren't impressive.  But the Bears were far worse than "not impressive"...  they were flat-out awful. 

There are Division 1 college teams that would have given the Saints a better fight than the Bears put up yesterday. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 19, 2011, 11:25:08 am
supposedly Cutler's didn't get across the line of scrimmage and Brees throw did. Hellifiknow. That helmet hit on Earl should be a fine and or a game sit. The nfl better do something or next week ALL wideouts are going to get it.

I missed the game yesterday, but did listen to a bit of radio coverage. What seemed obvious to me was the DL wasnt getting enough pressure on the QB

I did watch some of the Atlanta/Iggles game. The referees were allowing helmet to helmet stuff and helmet to the ribs stuff that should be game penalties. Very poor officiating. Hopefully the league steps in and fines these players.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 19, 2011, 11:50:12 am
There was no explanation from the announcers on the calls.  They cheered for penalties against the Bears when there shouldn't have been and bitched about flags on obvious Sanits penalties.

I think after Payton reamed the Refs after the roughing the passer penalty (that was 100% legit even if the announcers and Payton claim it wasn't) they gave the Saints all of the calls.  Hell they even moved the spot of the ball up for a first down after that. 

If Cutlers was grounding so was Brees simple as that.

The fact is a mediocre at best O-line which was with out their starting right guard lost their starting right tackle.  Between that and falling behind the Saints were able to pin their ears back and it was all over.

Also the one long TD given up by Wright should have never happened and probably wouldn't have if Chris Harris was playing.  Fact is this team has very little depth and it is already showing up to all of the injuries.

If the Bears get healthy they will compete with anyone in the league.  If they keep losing players to injuries they will be lucky to win 8 games.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on September 19, 2011, 11:54:12 am
Was it me or was Joe Buck constantly referring to "Jim" Jennings instead of Tim?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 19, 2011, 11:56:26 am
One of the benefits of watching the game in a sports bar was that I didn't have to listen to that a$$hole
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 19, 2011, 11:59:27 am
I missed the game yesterday, but did listen to a bit of radio coverage. What seemed obvious to me was the DL wasnt getting enough pressure on the QB

True statement.   Our DTs were neutralized by the Saints guards.  Idonijie had the only Bears sack and Peppers almost had one but that was about it.  Urlacher and Briggs were ineffective when they blitzed.  DJ Moore blitzed a couple times but it surprised no one.

Brees is elusive and really didn't throw deep alot.  Lots of checkdowns and screens to his HBs and found his TE quite a bit as the game progressed.

The deep pass to Henderson and the Cutler fumble were the key plays of the game.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 19, 2011, 12:08:38 pm
True statement.   Our DTs were neutralized by the Saints guards.  Idonijie had the only Bears sack and Peppers almost had one but that was about it.  Urlacher and Briggs were ineffective when they blitzed.  DJ Moore blitzed a couple times but it surprised no one.

Brees is elusive and really didn't throw deep alot.  Lots of checkdowns and screens to his HBs and found his TE quite a bit as the game progressed.

The deep pass to Henderson and the Cutler fumble were the key plays of the game.

Here we went out and spend money on improving the DLine and we get nothing out of it while the OLine is desperately in need of an upgrade and got no such help at all

With all the improvements at safety and DT we should be in line for a SB trip and this is what we get to show for it. That falls completely on Angeblow.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 12:55:56 pm
Our DTs were shut down by arguably the best pair of OGs in the entire league.  Nicks and Evans were both Pro Bowlers last year I believe. It doesn't really matter how well Kreutz did or didn't play when he's got OGs of that size and talent covering for him.  I think it's fair to assume our DTs aren't going to face two OGs of that caliber every week so I'm hoping yesterday was an aberration as far as that goes.

So yeah, that was probably going to happen but then Peppers and Izzy needed to pick it up on the outside and that really didn't happen either.  End result, too much time for Brees resulting in his big and fast WRs getting a major advantage over our depleted secondary. That big TE of theirs (Graham) did damage as well.

I was just realizing this morning... all these things we're anguishing over today are the exact same things the Falcons fans must have been saying this time last week.  Terrible OL play, QB beat to hell, questionable playcalling, ineffective pass game, sloppy D, etc.  The Falcons fans thought they had the better team last week and we spanked them.  We thought the same thing going into this game, and got shown otherwise.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 19, 2011, 01:00:11 pm
From Biggs of the Trib:

The analysis of six sacks in the second half starts with the play of the line and the play selection, but this wasn't man-on-man blocking being defeated. The Saints didn't have a one-man wrecking ball. New Orleans defensive coordinator Gregg Williams blitzed heavily, overmatching the Bears with more defenders than they could block. In those situations, the hot routes should be there.

Williams rolled the dice like he was in a C-A-S-I-N-O and Martz and Cutler never made him pay with anything other than dump-offs to Forte, who made a regular season career-high 10 receptions. You might recall Forte also made 10 catches in the NFC Championship Game last season. The results of that game and this one are proof that it's never good to have a back catching that many balls. Sure, it's a sign of a receiver with great hands and all that good stuff. More importantly, it's a sign the offense is broken and lacking wide receivers to make critical plays.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 01:07:07 pm
Against a blitz, the "hot routes" are almost invariably routes over the middle. Slants, crosses, etc.

After the Harper hit on Bennett our WRs had no interest in going over the middle, therefore Cutler was dead in the water except when he could find Forte. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 01:30:39 pm
I heard they've opened betting in Vegas as to which quarter Cutler gets carted off the field next Sunday.

Well not really, but it's not that far-fetched.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on September 19, 2011, 01:34:31 pm
they were getting pressure on him - causing him to throw before he was ready most times... he was able to step up into the pocket on the deep pass to Devery Henderson was a thing of beauty - perfectly led him in full stride - fingertip catch - and that only happened ONCE in the game
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 19, 2011, 02:09:30 pm
That blows:

Bears first rounder Gabe Carimi dislocates knee
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 19, 2011, 2:53 PM EDT
 
Getty ImagesChicago’s struggling offensive line will be without its first-round pick for a while.

Sean Jensen of the Chicago Sun-Times reports that right tackle Gabe Carimi has a dislocated knee.  At this point, the thought is that Carimi could miss roughly four weeks.

Carimi was known for his run blocking, but was settling into his pass protecting duties as well.  The Bears struggled badly to protect Jay Cutler on Sunday, especially in the second half after Carimi was hurt.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 02:20:12 pm
That blows:

Bears first rounder Gabe Carimi dislocates knee
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 19, 2011, 2:53 PM EDT
 
Getty ImagesChicago’s struggling offensive line will be without its first-round pick for a while.

Sean Jensen of the Chicago Sun-Times reports that right tackle Gabe Carimi has a dislocated knee.  At this point, the thought is that Carimi could miss roughly four weeks.

Carimi was known for his run blocking, but was settling into his pass protecting duties as well.  The Bears struggled badly to protect Jay Cutler on Sunday, especially in the second half after Carimi was hurt.

F-u-c-k!

That sounds like a lot more than a 4-week injury.

Marc Colombo, anyone?

This might be a really good time to switch Webb back over to the right side and gamb-le on OMG at LT.  At least then each player would be on the side where they have more experience.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 19, 2011, 02:31:37 pm

Webb has been playing LT for a few preaseason games and 2 regular season games - why f*** with him.  What do you do when Carimi gets back?

Omiyale gets Matthews on Sunday - with a balanced game plan he should be OK.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 19, 2011, 02:39:57 pm
Good thing we have a GM that appreciates the need for offensive line depth and has plenty in the pipeline.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 02:43:17 pm
I remember one of our OTs actually doing a pretty decent job on Matthews in the first regular season game last year.  But I think that guy was Shaffer, not Omiyale.  Not to mention I'm sure they'll flip Matthews over to Webb's side at least a few times on Sunday to see if they can get an advantage there...  much like we do with Peppers.

I get your point on not switching Webb to the right side for a few games and then back when Carimi returns...  but, I think Cutler is about one hard blindside hit away from being done for the season.  He's taken about a half-season's worth of abuse already and we're not even to Week 3.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 19, 2011, 02:56:36 pm
That REALLY SUCKS that the best lineman we've got goes down in week two. Like we've got a whole corral to choose from. This year is screwed and that lands directly on Angelo. MAN I wish that sucker would get fired!!!  His TOTAL lack of ANY idea what the hell this team NEEDS year in and year out is in direct corellation to what we're seeing on the field. Tired of it....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 03:08:04 pm
Lovie and his staff will get fired before Angelo does. And even that probably happens only if we finish well below .500.

Unfortunately the GM gig is Angelo's as long as he wants it, I think.  With Ruskell aka Angelo 2.0 waiting patiently in the wings.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 19, 2011, 03:42:38 pm

Oh brother.  We open the season with 3 NFC 2010 playoff teams and the season is already lost.

2011 Goal:  Make the playoffs - stay healthy - see what happens.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 04:04:07 pm
Wow...  the Packers are looking even smarter now for drafting Burnett.

This is a huge loss for them.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/19/packers-safety-nick-collins-will-miss-season-with-neck-injury/
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 19, 2011, 04:06:04 pm
Oh brother.  We open the season with 3 NFC 2010 playoff teams and the season is already lost.

2011 Goal:  Make the playoffs - stay healthy - see what happens.

I think I would invert that, i.e.

Stay healthy. Make the playoffs. See what happens.

If you don't stay healthy, the playoffs probably aren't happening. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 19, 2011, 06:40:22 pm

Throughout the game (until the very end) Cutler had plenty of time

Which game were you watching?  The oline stunk all game long!  The refs gave the Bears a gift with the bad call on the roughing the passer call but outside of constantly dumping off to Forte Cutler had practically no time to throw.

They couldn't pass block nor run block yesterday and that was an embarrassing performance period.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 19, 2011, 07:04:32 pm
That was not a bad call by the refs. You can't drive the QB into the ground and that's been called that way for at least a couple of years.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 19, 2011, 07:10:10 pm
10 thoughts on Bears' loss to Saints


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-biggs-ten-things-bears-saints-20110918,0,404800.story
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on September 19, 2011, 07:27:57 pm
The Packers didn't exactly look like world beaters against Carolina.

True, dat.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 19, 2011, 08:48:58 pm
The point IS that the season isn't lost but very well may be due to mismanagement of very important areas of this team, i.e. the Offensive Line. We shouldn't have to look to Spencer as a stopgap at center or Webb at LT or OmiIsuck at RT....we should have ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS in prior drafts!! THAT is the entire point of this matter. Neglect!! And Angelo's head should roll for it....his handling of the DL and OL are very much the same as Martz's handling of the play calls this last game- 90% DL, 10% OL.....ignorant....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 19, 2011, 09:40:43 pm

 Look at the pressure Cutler and Brees had on them. One guy was clearly under pressure.

 Tice gets Angelos afterthoughts and has to make somthing of it.

 In fact the whole offense gets Angelos afterthoughts.

 The trouble is the DEFENSE which Angelo loves, has to pay the price,by being on the field all the time.

 Angelo shoots himself in the foot by thinking in one direction only. Not a well rounded way of thinking.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 20, 2011, 09:21:56 am
Which game were you watching?  The oline stunk all game long!  The refs gave the Bears a gift with the bad call on the roughing the passer call but outside of constantly dumping off to Forte Cutler had practically no time to throw.

They couldn't pass block nor run block yesterday and that was an embarrassing performance period.

Typical knee jerk reaction. 

Not saying the O-line had a great game, they share in the loss along with Martz, Cutler and the receivers.  But the Saints defensive game plan appeared to be load up on the LOS to stop the run and hope Martz abandoned it (which he did) then continue with heavy blitzing (pass and run) and man coverage on the WRs (who still couldn't get open).

So now you have a situation where the Bears have given up on the run, and the Saints know the Bears are passing and can not only let their d-line pin their tails back but also let a couple three  LB/DBs blitz consistently, they know they don't have to worry about the TE because the Bears don't have a guy now that Olsen is gone that can beat them deep, they know they can cover our WRs with single coverage with a single safety deep.

Going into the game I figured there would be some pressure on this O-line Sunday even though the Saints didn't have a legit pass rusher.  On the road indoors in a dome (fast surface), and Martz' playcalling where he calls a lot of plays where Cutler sit back (never rolls out) and waits and waits for long developing routes.  And to top it off you lose your blitz breaking WR early in the game (Bennett) and your other recievers Hester and Sanzenbacker are dropping key 3rd down passes that kill drives which turn the ball over to the Saints offense.

And that offense happens to be one of the best in league led by Drew Brees (recall they put up 34 points on the Packers IN Green Bay). 

And you sit here and whine about the O-line...what game were you watching...the Titans?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on September 20, 2011, 09:33:02 am
I have been royally ****ed since the summer, when the Bears had a golden opportunity to add a No. 1 receiver and once again passed.  I keep trying to tell myself that the experts surely know more than me.  Then I read something like this, and I get royally ****ed off again.  Seriously, you bring in Mike Martz as your offensive coordinator, you pay a king's ransom for a QB to operate in a 7 step-drop system, and then you go bargain hunting at WR?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0920-matt-bowen-chicago-bears--20110920,0,5002177.column
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 20, 2011, 09:45:05 am

Nice article - couldn't agree more.   I don't know that Roy Williams can be that WR, but maybe he can be that WR some of the time which might open up some opportunities for the other guys.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 20, 2011, 09:49:21 am
Martz has many issues but one of the biggest ones is, he thinks his system can turn any pair of average WRs into Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce.

It can't. 

Like any other offensive scheme, a baseline level of WR talent is required.  Holt and Bruce were perennial Pro Bowl WRs, at least of one of which will wind up in the HOF and possibly both before it's all said and done.  Those are two of the premier WRs of my generation and we don't have one WR who is even close to that level, much less two.  So until and unless Martz recognizes the limitations of our WR talent -- i.e., lack of size, the inability to stand up under physical DB play and a lack of willingness/ability to catch the ball inside under duress -- and adjusts his offense accordingly -- we will see a lot more of this.

Unfortunately I'm not sure that will happen as long as he's here.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on September 20, 2011, 10:01:47 am
I'm not sure what he really can do.  The system is the system and the receivers who played Sunday need time to get open -- time they don't have.  Agree that they desperately need RW to step up.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 20, 2011, 10:14:06 am
I'm not sure what he really can do. 

Making some provisions for Cutler to audible in obvious blitz situations would be a huge step in the right direction. You want to bring the house on a blitz?  Fine, then we'll audible to a draw play and Forte will gash you for 25 yards or more right up the middle.  That kind of thing.

I mean seriously...  Martz has been around long enough to have faced Gregg Williams multiple times.  Same with Dom Capers.  Yet these DCs come out and totally shut his offense down and it's like he has no idea what's coming, or what to do about it. 

I actually was kind of excited when we brought Martz on board but he clearly is what others said then that he is...  a hack and a fraud whose system is no longer viable against today's better NFL defenses. He can't leave soon enough as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 20, 2011, 10:17:35 am
Is he cleared to play Sunday? Is Bennett? Louis? I haven't seen nuttin yet. Hope so. Also, somebody get their butt in Halas hall and tear out the page in the playbook that has that stupid 7 step drop crap. Use it for toilet paper in the the main john.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 20, 2011, 12:00:07 pm
Is he cleared to play Sunday? Is Bennett? Louis?

Injury reports come out on Thursdays, I think.

I'd be surprised if Louis plays, and I'd be surprised if Bennett didn't.  Carimi obviously is out.  RoyBoy and Barber, hard to speculate.  I don't know if Wright suffered a concussion against the Saints but if he did then he's almost certainly out for Sunday. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 20, 2011, 12:48:34 pm
They are not calling it a concusion, but a head/neck injury.  Ok. 

Another play to throw away is the one where the LT lights up next to the RT or vice versa.  I think I read they have run it 4 times, and each one was a disaster. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 20, 2011, 12:54:17 pm
Ah yes the infamous "unbalanced line".

Called by an unbalanced mind, I think.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 20, 2011, 01:22:05 pm
Wednesdays are when the injury report is due to the legue
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 20, 2011, 04:51:29 pm
What the Saints kept doing to nail the Bears pressure defense was run delays up the middle.....of course,they've got actual Offensive Linemen to do this with,unlike the Angelo limited Bears....two glaring reminders of this game: Saints have recievers and offensive linemen that can break a pressure defense, Bears have neither.....thanks to Angelo....send him flowers for Fall.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 20, 2011, 04:58:44 pm
Why don't Martz run a "no-huddle" offense.   He seems to never adjust to what's going on in the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 20, 2011, 05:07:09 pm

What I noticed on blocking was that the Saints were often able to neutralize our lineman one on one.   Then they could send the extra guy, a guard or tackle, out after Urlacher and it was up to one guy on the Bears to make the play.  Often times he did.  The Saints ran on us somewhat effectively, but it wasn't a huge factor in the loss.

Offensively, we tend to pull the entire team to the hole and there's this mass of humanity and Forte is expected to lower his head into a pile.  Most the times he gets maybe a yard.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 20, 2011, 05:25:16 pm
Dallas thats because the Olinemen cant get any push on their blocks.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 20, 2011, 05:30:38 pm
..and that goes back to having crap for a Oline....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 20, 2011, 05:49:25 pm
Typical knee jerk reaction. 

Not saying the O-line had a great game, they share in the loss along with Martz, Cutler and the receivers.  But the Saints defensive game plan appeared to be load up on the LOS to stop the run and hope Martz abandoned it (which he did) then continue with heavy blitzing (pass and run) and man coverage on the WRs (who still couldn't get open).

So now you have a situation where the Bears have given up on the run, and the Saints know the Bears are passing and can not only let their d-line pin their tails back but also let a couple three  LB/DBs blitz consistently, they know they don't have to worry about the TE because the Bears don't have a guy now that Olsen is gone that can beat them deep, they know they can cover our WRs with single coverage with a single safety deep.

Going into the game I figured there would be some pressure on this O-line Sunday even though the Saints didn't have a legit pass rusher.  On the road indoors in a dome (fast surface), and Martz' playcalling where he calls a lot of plays where Cutler sit back (never rolls out) and waits and waits for long developing routes.  And to top it off you lose your blitz breaking WR early in the game (Bennett) and your other recievers Hester and Sanzenbacker are dropping key 3rd down passes that kill drives which turn the ball over to the Saints offense.

And that offense happens to be one of the best in league led by Drew Brees (recall they put up 34 points on the Packers IN Green Bay). 

And you sit here and whine about the O-line...what game were you watching...the Titans?

Dude I think EVERYONE has sat here and whined about the offensive line BUT YOU!  Now some of the things you've said  about the game is true BUT it starts with protection for your franchise QB still.

I can't blame Cutler for anything when he was pressured from the start of the game to the end.  That falls on the o-line and Tice.  Those guys blocking acted like they haven't been coached or taught how to protect the QB!  10 sacks in 2 games is TOTALLY INEXCUSABLE!!!

I can't blame the WR's (except for the 2 drops) because of no protection for the QB to have time to throw them the ball!  Cutler had to do a lot of drop offs to Forte because he didn't have time to set up and throw.   That goes for the TE's as well.  I feel Davis and Spaeth are both capable TE's that can catch BUT they have to stay back to block because of the inefficiencies of the offensive line to pass protect.  Besides it's going to be questionable whether Martz will utilize them during games or not but I won't say defenses wouldn't have to worry about them.   I agree with you about Olsen as well.  I said it was a mistake to trade him too.

I can agree with your assessment of Martz but I won't give the Saints defense the credit you're giving them simply because the Bears didn't make any in-game adjustments to counter what the Saints were doing.  That's coaching!  That's why I made mention of going no-huddle offense when the pass blocking falters constantly to throw off the defense. 

I can also agree with your assessment on Brees.  He's one of the best QB's in the league.  But with the defense constantly on the field they tired.

As far as me watching the Titans?  I went to Nashville Aug 27 to see the Bears against them but haven't seen them since.   Were you watching the Texans or whoever has Jauron coaching them.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on September 20, 2011, 06:06:37 pm
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 20, 2011, 2:05 PM EDT
 
Getty Images
In Sunday’s loss to the Saints, Bears offensive coordinator Mike Martz called 52 passes and 11 runs. Bears coach Lovie Smith says that’s a problem.
 
“I know the balance as far as run/pass wasn’t there,” Smith said. “All I can say is we’ll get it better. We can’t win football games with that kind of balance.”
 
Smith and Martz are old friends, and Smith feels a lot of loyalty to Martz because Martz gave Smith his first opportunity to be a defensive coordinator in St. Louis. So as long as Smith is the head coach in Chicago, Martz’s job as offensive coordinator is probably safe.
 
But it’s clear that Smith realizes Martz can go overboard in his love of the passing game. On Sunday the Saints were selling out to blitz Jay Cutler, sacking him six times and hitting him as he passed several more times. Mixing in some draws to Matt Forte would have, if nothing else, kept the Saints’ defense honest.
 
And it’s not like the Bears only got pass-happy because they fell behind. Although the final score was 30-13, the Bears were within three points midway through the third quarter, and the game only got out of hand in the fourth quarter — long after Martz had abandoned the running game.
 
The Bears’ most effective drive on Sunday came in the first quarter, when Forte got things started with a 42-yard run and the Bears mixed runs and passes on the way to going 87 yards in 11 plays and getting in the end zone for the only time on the day. It makes no sense that after that drive, the Bears only ran five more handoffs for the entire game.
 
Smith is right: The Bears aren’t going to win many games when they call 52 passes and 11 runs. If Martz doesn’t realize that, the Bears have a problem.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 20, 2011, 06:12:54 pm
Do you expect 5 guys to block 6, 7 or 8 defenders?  If you do then yes our O-line was totally at fault Sunday.

O-line was doing OK through the 3rd quarter.  They had given up only one sack...actualy a non-sack on the safety blitz which was a penalty.  Bears were down by 3...they had the ball.  Anybody complaining about the O-line then?

Then Mr. Everything TE Kellen Davis whiffs on a block and Cutler fumbles...and its 23-13.   Martz turns in Mr. Hyde and the rout is on.

Read Forte's comments...read Matt Bowen's...its not all on the O-line.   Its on the receivers (who could NOT get consistently open)...its on Martz...its on Tice...and Cutler messed up too.

Instead I hear a bunch of crappp about moving Webb back to RT to solve all our problems...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 20, 2011, 06:20:06 pm
Do you expect 5 guys to block 6, 7 or 8 defenders?  If you do then yes our O-line was totally at fault Sunday.

Draw plays, quick slants,  place Cutler in the shotgun formation,  go no-huddle.  Do something because it seemed to me the Saints knew what was coming all game long.  Like I said, you're the ONLY ONE that claims the o-line was doing okay for 3 qtrs?  LOL!!!  Cutler was getting hit so many times during the game alone but of course that doesn't concern you.  Incredible.

Yes Davis whiffed on a block but that wasn't the ONLY reason the o-line looked like crap.  They did the whole game long but of course YOU didn't see that.

And you heard a BUNCH OF CRAP about moving Webb to RT.  You must have super hearing or something.  :)



Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on September 20, 2011, 06:23:18 pm
I thought that the O-linw was doing OK until they lost two starters to injury.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 20, 2011, 06:37:33 pm
The o-line fell apart after Carimi got hurt and the Bears were behind and running out of time.  Then and only then did they fall apart.

I blame the WR's more then any other position.  Knox and  Hester couldn't get open with man press and when they did they dropped the ball.  Sanzenbacher dropped one also.

This team needs true big play #1 WR.   
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on September 20, 2011, 06:58:22 pm
I would agree with that.  I expected that the Bears would go after Jones as a big WR.  I don't understand why they didn't.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 20, 2011, 07:01:50 pm
I heard a tease on the radio that the news on Carimi was better than expected, but didnt hear how.  Anbody hear anything?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 20, 2011, 07:14:02 pm
Partial dislocation not a full one.  No idea how long that means he is out.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 20, 2011, 07:15:57 pm
I saw and could even hear the Saints Oline stoning our Dlinemen at times, the SMACK of pad against pad as they came in. I saw the Saints line dance guys coming in from the end around their QB gracefully,giving Brees enough time to do his magic. I saw too many times our tackles standing and whiffing on ends coming around. I saw their guards push right upfield on draw plays,moving our line up and out of the way. I saw our line collapsing in on the QB and flushing him out more than a few times. This line is a real problem folks! I would put the line issues as the main culprit very closely followed by lack of a big play wideout and Martz's foolish unbalanced play calling....like Grade F , D-, D- Really the problems are so closely intermixed together that one feeds off the other and makes one huge mess. COULD Cutler have gotten the ball to a top flight wideout with so little time? COULD they have gotten more time IF Martz had run it more? COULD the line block better with the other two deals working? Guess we won't know....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 20, 2011, 08:57:41 pm
I have been royally ****ed since the summer, when the Bears had a golden opportunity to add a No. 1 receiver and once again passed.  I keep trying to tell myself that the experts surely know more than me.  Then I read something like this, and I get royally ****ed off again.  Seriously, you bring in Mike Martz as your offensive coordinator, you pay a king's ransom for a QB to operate in a 7 step-drop system, and then you go bargain hunting at WR?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0920-matt-bowen-chicago-bears--20110920,0,5002177.column

A big time WR would be nice but I still would have to ask the question, IF we had a big time receiver what good would he be if the offensive line can't protect Cutler?   Cutler STILL needs time in the pocket to throw accurately downfield and without that we'd still be in the same shape we're in now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 20, 2011, 09:01:02 pm
Its been a long time since I have agreed with Phill but that Oline still stinks. Football is a game won or lost on the line of scrimage and thats where we lost that game, both offensively and defensively
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 21, 2011, 05:23:25 am
The 2nd half was horrific, I haven't been to the board until today.  I am not reading all of the posts as it will just reopen the wound, I would expect a very inspired effort this Sunday.  Will it be enough?  We shall see.

You can bet we will see at least a 50/50 run/pass ratio though.  Of all the injuries, Carimi is the big one, heard he may be out two weeks.  Effing Martz must be watching something else during the game not to see the bludgeoning he was putting Cutler in to face.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 21, 2011, 08:03:36 am
Yes it did seem like the Saints O knew what D was coming.

I'm sure Kreutz had at least a little to do with that. But the bottom line is their OL whipped our DL mano a mano. Especially on the inside but that's what happens when you have Pro Bowlers at OG instead of a converted bad OT and a C playing out of postion.   
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 21, 2011, 09:04:37 am
A big time WR would be nice but I still would have to ask the question, IF we had a big time receiver what good would he be if the offensive line can't protect Cutler?   Cutler STILL needs time in the pocket to throw accurately downfield and without that we'd still be in the same shape we're in now.

Fair question.  If Cutler had a BIG time receiver and I emphasize BIG, he'd be more apt to throw the ball to the guy if he was blanketed in single coverage, figuring the guy has a very good chance of coming down with the ball.

He doesn't have that faith with Knox or Hester.  Maybe in certain situations with Bennett.  And the jury is still out about Roy Williams.

Once Cutler sees a man on Knox/Hester its game over. 

Last year the Packers played that same tight coverage in the final regular season game and Knox didn't have a catch...Hester might have had one.  You saw the same thing Sunday.   The previous Sunday you saw the exact opposite with the Falcons and Cutler was hitting all his WRs with ease.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 21, 2011, 09:13:06 am
Looking back it's pretty obvious the Saints were in the Bear's huddle (thanks Olin). First half Cutler would drop back and see everyone covered. Martz's "system" is to throw to a spot. Saints were at those spots. So it goes.  Lovie needs to put the choker chain back on Martz and quietly start looking around for an OC that will allow the qb to think at the line.  This has gotten way past stupid.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 21, 2011, 09:19:26 am
If things dont turn around, and quick, how about we get rid of Lovie AND Martz? 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 21, 2011, 09:24:27 am
Sure seems to me like Mike Tice has a lot better handle than Martz on what our offensive players are capable of doing (and not doing).

Not to mention, Tice played QB way back in the day so he knows what Cutler is going through.

Buy out Martz' contract the day after the Bucs game in London (which I expect will be a shi-bacle for the Bears), immediately promote Tice to OC and use the bye week to install a new offense that's heavy on the run game, the shotgun, rollouts and audibles.  It's a radical move but it may be the only chance Cutler has of surviving the season with the supporting cast he has. And the only way Lovie survives to coach another year here. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 21, 2011, 09:43:58 am
if Martz pulls in the reigns like last year and we get some guys healthy we'll be ok.
Good chance we lose again this week though.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 21, 2011, 10:07:10 am
Maybe we should wait a few more games and see what happens before we grab the life jackets.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 21, 2011, 10:18:59 am
Maybe we should wait a few more games and see what happens before we grab the life jackets.

Like I said, let's see where things stand at the bye week.

You look at the games between now and then...  Packers, Panthers, Lions, Vikings, Bucs...  all in conference and three in division.  We win 3 or 4 of those and we're 4-3 or 5-2 and still right in the thick of things. Drop 3 or 4 of them OTOH, and our season is effectively over in terms of the playoffs. You look at those opponents -- and the fact that we really don't know after 2 games what Bears team we have on our hands -- and either of those scenarios seems equally likely at this point.

I'm just saying if we're 3-4 or 2-5 at the bye week -- and if those losses are primarily because of a bad offense -- it will be time to pursue major changes in the direction of the offense and that should not preclude the "nuclear option", i.e., launching Martz. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 21, 2011, 10:22:15 am
Right now I think I need that lifejacket
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 21, 2011, 10:28:48 am
Right now I think I need that lifejacket

After week 2?  IF we beat Green Bay you'll be talking about Super Bowl.

It's a long season.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 21, 2011, 10:30:36 am
Wshfl;

Look at the league last week, other teams who had blow out victories or at least very decisive ones like Baltimore in the first game subsequently lost the second game.
Ravens lost to the Titans.

Good teams that lost came back with desperation and won, Falcons etc.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 21, 2011, 10:31:33 am
So you are predicting a win over GB?  ::) :o :o
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 21, 2011, 10:33:42 am
I expect Martz saw how "well" the line did in week one and got a little full of himself.
I expect he'll be more like the Martz we saw in the last 1/2 of the season against GB.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 21, 2011, 10:37:59 am
Good teams that lost came back with desperation and won, Falcons etc.

You're assuming the Bears will be playing with "desperation" this week.  I don't think it's safe to assume that at all. That's not how Lovie rolls.  In his mind, we're still only in the first "quarter" of the season, remember.

If there's motivation for this Sunday's game it's going to have to come from veteran player leadership. Which over the years has been spotty at best.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 21, 2011, 11:03:36 am
I'm not assuming anything or predicting anything.

i'm just saying it's the nature of the NFL for good teams to bounce back after a bad loss.

If the Bears continue to lose badly they're not very good.  if they are good they will play a strong game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 21, 2011, 11:04:39 am
This game has the potential to get butt ugly.......

At least we aren't the Dolphins, Rams, or Chiefs......

But definately closer to the bottom 1/3rd of the league than to the upper half......
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 21, 2011, 11:10:57 am
Right now I'd say the Bears have 9-7 talent, 5-11 coaching...  and a 2-14 front office.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on September 21, 2011, 11:23:36 am
They got s0d0mized by the Giants early last year - and went into the playoffs as the #2 seed...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 21, 2011, 01:00:44 pm
Draw plays, quick slants,  place Cutler in the shotgun formation,  go no-huddle.  Do something because it seemed to me the Saints knew what was coming all game long.  Like I said, you're the ONLY ONE that claims the o-line was doing okay for 3 qtrs?  LOL!!!  Cutler was getting hit so many times during the game alone but of course that doesn't concern you.  Incredible.

Yes Davis whiffed on a block but that wasn't the ONLY reason the o-line looked like crap.  They did the whole game long but of course YOU didn't see that.

And you heard a BUNCH OF CRAP about moving Webb to RT.  You must have super hearing or something.  :)

I am not the only one that defended the O-line.  Many here and in the papers have commented that the O-line was doing Ok through the 3rd quarter.  And statistically, not one of our starting lineup was credited with givng up a sack Sunday.    Not saying they had a good game, but I'm not going throw them under the bridge.  Tice has some more work to do with blitz recognitions and pick ups especially.   

But when you consider the dome noise and the surface I thought they did OK considering that Chris Williams is considered the most experienced guy at his position Sunday!

BTW, the Davis play was HUGE and he is a TE not an O-lineman.   I'd say that play and the bomb to Henderson were the 2 most important plays of the game.

Yes, Cutler was hit often.  He will continue to get hit often.  Its the nature of Martz offense and playcalling, in combination with our in-experienced line and our lack of big time WR talent.

One thing I mentioned after the Olsen (the guy who can't run over anybody) departure was that defenses would no longer have to account for him like they have in the past, that is, they could assign a lesser defender to our TEs now.

Not saying that Olsen would have made the difference Sunday.  Not saying that Martz would even utilize him even if he were here but until both Martz and Kellen Davis prove they can make the TE posiition a threat to defenses we will see more concentrated coverage on the wideouts.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 21, 2011, 01:46:05 pm
I've been as big a Kellen Davis fanboy as anyone on this board, but here's the deal.

If we're not going to throw to him at least a few times a game, he needs to give way to either Spaeth and/or a 3rd OT because he is simply not getting it done in pass protection at all.

The failures of Kellen Davis in this offense are not failures of talent, but of utilization. Kellen is an enormous target in a pass offense that desperately needs a physical presence and especially on short to intermediate routes in the middle of the field. Keeping Kellen in to block not only takes away a safety valve for Cutler, but exposes his weaknesses in blocking.

Was Kellen targeted even one time against the Saints?  I sure can't remember it. Right now the only thing Martz is doing with Kellen is putting him in situations where he's destined to fail.  And not only Kellen, but Cutler and the entire offense are suffering because of it. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 21, 2011, 01:46:45 pm
You're assuming the Bears will be playing with "desperation" this week.  I don't think it's safe to assume that at all. That's not how Lovie rolls.  In his mind, we're still only in the first "quarter" of the season, remember.

If there's motivation for this Sunday's game it's going to have to come from veteran player leadership. Which over the years has been spotty at best.

Well I remember when Lovie was hired as the coach he said his first and main priority was TO BEAT THE PACKERS!!!  So you may think that the veteran players will be depended on for motivation I have to disagree because I do believe the coach wants to beat those Slackers.  Now WILL THEY beat them is another question!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 21, 2011, 01:52:24 pm
Well I remember when Lovie was hired as the coach he said his first and main priority was TO BEAT THE PACKERS!!!  So you may think that the veteran players will be depended on for motivation I have to disagree because I do believe the coach wants to beat those Slackers. 

I used to take Lovie at his word on this point...  until the final game of the regular season last year when he gift-wrapped a win for the Packers which ultimately put them in the playoffs.  Since then I've realized that whole Beat the Packers thing was just more of the BS we've heard from Lovie for years.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 21, 2011, 02:20:01 pm
I used to take Lovie at his word on this point...  until the final game of the regular season last year when he gift-wrapped a win for the Packers which ultimately put them in the playoffs.  Since then I've realized that whole Beat the Packers thing was just more of the BS we've heard from Lovie for years.

Exactly what I was thinking.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 21, 2011, 03:01:37 pm
I used to take Lovie at his word on this point...  until the final game of the regular season last year when he gift-wrapped a win for the Packers which ultimately put them in the playoffs.  Since then I've realized that whole Beat the Packers thing was just more of the BS we've heard from Lovie for years.

Well also if I recall in that last game of the season against the Slackers the defense played their azz off the entire game.  Martz and his offense was the one that gift wrapped the Slackers into the playoffs.  The defense played their azz off again in the NFC championship game but once again the offense stunk.  I would still disagree about Lovie not motivated enough to beat those guys.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 21, 2011, 03:22:58 pm
And Lovie also played his starters the entire game in the season finale.   So I don't see how he was BSing about his seriousness in regards to Packers/Bears.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 21, 2011, 03:36:21 pm
All I know is that even while the win against the Falcons was a nice home opener, there is still a lot of stink left over in Soldier Field from that NFC-C game.  A win on Sunday is how Lovie & the boys wash that stink out of there and I hope they're up to it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 21, 2011, 03:49:28 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/acrobat/2011-09/64918572.pdf
Meh.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 21, 2011, 05:46:14 pm
I cant believe Carimi isnt out for sure.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 21, 2011, 09:03:13 pm
With the new player union agreement teams can only practice in pads one day a week.

That was probably today, so i don't make much of a player practicing the later week practices.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 21, 2011, 10:01:16 pm
wgn reported Louis might, I repeat, might be ready.  Carmini could be out "quite some time". Columbo a deux. I swear to Jesus, do ANYTHING to keep that assclown from the draftroom. Not only does he neglect the OL, when he finally does something its a massive flustercluck. For God's sake!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 22, 2011, 05:27:08 am
 ITS OUR HOUSE !!

GO BEARRSSE !!


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_n5JWzj6yU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_n5JWzj6yU)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 22, 2011, 06:41:36 am
After a similiar bludgeoning against the Giants last year, we came back and beat the Panthers with collins qBing, then lost close games to the Redskins and Seahawks.  Followed by 5 straight wins and another bludgeoning against New England.  The Packers are not the Panthers, and the Panthers are playing well.  And you can bet Chico is itching to play his former team with his new toy.  Then the Lions.  We will know a lot about our team in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 22, 2011, 08:11:13 am
Curious to see whether Lance Louis returns to the lineup or if we stay with Spencer.

I'm not sure whether a healthy Spencer or an 80% Lance Louis is our less-bad option at RG. Especially with OMG at RT.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 22, 2011, 08:42:31 am
I think I read that Tice wants to try Lance Louis at RT.  Probably not a good idea for a guy with a gimpy ankle. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 22, 2011, 08:48:48 am
I think I read that Tice wants to try Lance Louis at RT.  Probably not a good idea for a guy with a gimpy ankle.

No, not at all.  And if the guy across from him is Clay Matthews that would be sheer insanity.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 22, 2011, 08:59:43 am
Kellen Davis has to do more than wave him through to the QB.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 22, 2011, 09:28:09 am
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Jay-Cutler-Chicago-Bears-QB-has-become-sympathetic-figure-092111
Time to assemble the lynch mob. Get the torches and rope. Start drinking.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 22, 2011, 12:22:04 pm
Kellen Davis has to do more than wave him through to the QB.

Maybe he should use those flashlights they use to land airplanes with. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on September 22, 2011, 12:41:53 pm
I wonder what some of the fox news supporters on this board think of the network after last Sunday's game. The network passes fake headlines supposedly from local papers to support their narrative on cutler during the game that makes him look foolish.

Maybe the network should hack his phone too.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 22, 2011, 04:34:08 pm
Keep it in the politics thread Otto
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 22, 2011, 06:04:18 pm
Three Bears remain sidelined

 

Posted: 9/22/2011 3:28:00 PM

Receiver Earl Bennett (chest), tackle Gabe Carimi (knee) and safety Major Wright (head/neck) missed practice for a second straight day Thursday as the Bears continued to prepare for Sunday’s home game against the Packers.
 
"Major Wright is feeling better," said coach Lovie Smith. "We have a few hours still before game time, so hopefully we'll have him available to possibly play."
 
After being limited Wednesday, receiver Roy Williams (groin) worked out without restrictions Thursday. It appears that Williams will play Sunday after missing last weekend's game in New Orleans.
 
"He's a good football player," Smith said. "We'll need all of them this week against a great Packers team coming in here. Roy's made a lot of progress. It seems like he's ready to go."
 
In other injury news, running back Marion Barber (calf), safety Chris Harris (hamstring) and guard Lance Louis (ankle) were limited Thursday for the second consecutive day.
 
For the Packers, safety Nick Collins (neck), defensive end Mike Neal (knee) and linebacker Frank Zombo (shoulder) are out; linebacker Clay Matthews (quadriceps) and cornerback Charles Woodson (foot) did not practice for the second straight day; and defensive end Ryan Pickett (foot) and cornerback Tramon Williams (shoulder) were limited.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 23, 2011, 02:36:23 am

 Does Kellen Davis has what it takes to block Clay Matthews?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 23, 2011, 08:18:02 am
Does Kellen Davis has what it takes to block Clay Matthews?

In a word: No. 

In two words:  @#^! no.

He can, however, present a nice big safety valve for Cutler when protection against the blitz breaks down.   
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 23, 2011, 08:21:58 am
Kellen has the size to block Matthews. I just dont believe he has the blocking skills to get the job done
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 23, 2011, 08:25:11 am
Kellen has had a major blocking fail on a key pass play in each of the last two games. Against two guys nowhere near as good as Matthews.

So I don't see how he'd fare any better against Matthews.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 23, 2011, 08:27:12 am
Exactly my point
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on September 23, 2011, 08:32:55 am
Wow, fox making a story political...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 23, 2011, 10:10:15 am

How many times do you an opponent ask a TE to block Peppers?

Martz feels he can get a double inside with TE one on one blocking the end but what happens is that DE often times pressures or sacks the QB.   Most of the pressure this year has been from the outside, the inside guys for the most part of held up OK.

You can get away with that once in a while, maybe on a short route, but Martz does it too often.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 23, 2011, 10:14:33 am
Correct. Chipping a DE and then running a short to intermediate route on a 3-step drop is not too much to ask of an NFL TE and that is well within Kellen's capabilities.

OTOH, I doubt there is a single TE in the league that can block a premier pass rushing DE 1-on-1 in a 5- or 7-step drop situation. It's just not going to happen.   

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on September 23, 2011, 10:18:18 am
Maybe that's why Martz' contract was not renewed?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 23, 2011, 10:41:13 am
Watch Martz ruin Cutler to the point that when we get an OC with a clue in here next year, Cutler will be a shell of his former self (see Marc Bulger), and we'll have to start over at QB as well.

Meanwhile, Tribune reports that our starting safety tandem for Sunday will be...  Steltz and Merriwether.  We are so screwed.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 23, 2011, 11:59:56 am

Good opportunity to see what we have in Steltz and I'm not sure Major Wright has been ruled out.  He might not start but he may play.  Game time decision.  Chris Harris is iffy.

Good news is that Roy Williams will play not so sure of Louis and Barber.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 23, 2011, 12:21:11 pm
We've seen in past years what we have in Steltz at S, and it's not good.  Probably better than throwing Clueless Conte out there again, though.

My bigger concern is that Steltz is one of our key ST guys and if he has to play D as well that could come back to bite us on coverage.  Especially with that Cobb kid the Packers have now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 23, 2011, 12:56:04 pm
I'm hesitant to even watch this game. We're not even near full strength and going against the prior SB winners. We're so undermanned thanks to Angie's lack of football knowledge and draft comprehension. I think it's gonna be a train wreck.....hate to say it but I don't need my blood pressure skyrocketing when I see more inept line play and recievers getting bounced around like pinballs and Cutler looking like a bobble head out there thanks to the hits he'll be taking....don't know if I wanna see that again...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 23, 2011, 01:18:26 pm
I hear ya Sporty. I know the feeling.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 23, 2011, 01:22:55 pm
Knowing the Packers hung 42 points on the same Saints D that completely shut us down is what's got me feeling kinda sick...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BillSharp on September 23, 2011, 03:15:22 pm
Watch Martz ruin Cutler to the point that when we get an OC with a clue in here next year, Cutler will be a shell of his former self (see Marc Bulger), and we'll have to start over at QB as well.

Meanwhile, Tribune reports that our starting safety tandem for Sunday will be...  Steltz and Merriwether.  We are so screwed.

As long as Harris is out this is the starting safeties I'd pick. Don't care if I ever see Major Wright play again.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 23, 2011, 03:15:34 pm
The only bright side is that Mathews and Woodson have been banged up.  We MAY be able to score a few points.  I am not predicting a win at all. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 23, 2011, 03:17:04 pm
That rook Vererable or whatever his name is might get some time too, out of necessity. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 23, 2011, 03:33:53 pm
That rook Vererable or whatever his name is might get some time too, out of necessity.

Yeah.  Conte isn't ready for prime time, that's for sure.  Right now he's just Steltz with a little more speed.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 23, 2011, 04:23:35 pm

I recall the same things being said about a young safety we drafted a few years ago after he  gave up a few TDs. 

I don't know if Major Wright will make it as a safety in the NFL, but he's not the first safety to get beat by Drew Brees for a TD.

And that safety that EVERYBODY used to slam...Chris Harris.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 23, 2011, 04:25:29 pm
Yeah.  Conte isn't ready for prime time, that's for sure.  Right now he's just Steltz with a little more speed.

And how is he going to get ready for prime time - by playing Madden?  As for Venable, 'd be surprised if he every gets into a game at safety in a regular defense - looks to be strictly a special teamer.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 23, 2011, 04:55:22 pm
Major Wright has been on highlight reels not for his massive hits or excellent coverage skills resulting in int's....but in showing how NOT to play safety....how to be in the wrong spot, take the wrong angles, how to leave your shorts on the field while being juked out of them....all the wrong things. Merriweather was a pro bowl safety..he REALLY needs to show that this weekend! And we need Super P'nut to wake up!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 23, 2011, 06:38:58 pm
It would be fantastic if Meriweather could lay out a couple of GB WRs.  Not injure, but just hurt.  Make them think twice about crossing the middle.  Just saying.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 23, 2011, 10:41:33 pm
Correct. Chipping a DE and then running a short to intermediate route on a 3-step drop is not too much to ask of an NFL TE and that is well within Kellen's capabilities.

OTOH, I doubt there is a single TE in the league that can block a premier pass rushing DE 1-on-1 in a 5- or 7-step drop situation. It's just not going to happen.

I'm guessing Martz saw somthing in the first game that he figured the OL could last thru a 7 step drop.

Things got out of control before he realized he was getting Cutler killed and never made the correction.

Going away from the run made Cutler the target with 7 step drops that this OL could never hold.

At times Cutler was so far back from the pocket that you knew what was coming next.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 24, 2011, 06:10:41 am
What have we seen from Stelz?  I don't recall him ever having an opportunity to play the position more that a half as a replacement for other safeties that were injured.  I also recall in the times he has gotten in the games he has made interceptions, and who was it on our team that he knocked out on a hit - I think against Minny.  If Stelz craps his pants in this one, so be it but i don't think we have ever seen enough in game situations to know what we have.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 24, 2011, 06:14:28 am
I thought the sustitution patterns with Forte and Bell were a little iffy last week.  On the play that turned the game on a poor protection call by Martz, Bell was in.  Would he have stopped the defensive end that Davis whiffed on?  Maybe not, but it seemed like the sacks were coming more with Bell in there and I was wondering where Forte was.

Also on that oley block by Davis, after he is is beat for the sack, he turns his back to the play as Cutler is going down, clapping his hands in frustration for his missed block.  He also missed the ball on the ground.  I am sure the coaches poitedd that out, he quit on the play after he was beat and wasn't there when it was still alive.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on September 24, 2011, 08:04:26 am
Watch the Packers blitz and blitz and blitz and the Bears again have no answer for it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 24, 2011, 08:52:57 am
Thats what I expect
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 24, 2011, 10:21:16 am
I thought Steltz problem was he was slow.  But I just dont really remember.  I guess we will see. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 24, 2011, 10:57:11 am
Yeah he was a step or two slow
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 24, 2011, 02:59:02 pm
What have we seen from Stelz?  I don't recall him ever having an opportunity to play the position more that a half as a replacement for other safeties that were injured.  I also recall in the times he has gotten in the games he has made interceptions, and who was it on our team that he knocked out on a hit - I think against Minny.  If Stelz craps his pants in this one, so be it but i don't think we have ever seen enough in game situations to know what we have.

Totally agree, but this is not the team you want to play making your first start. 

I do recall him knocking out somebody in a game - it was Tillman.  I think he hit him in the back and ended his season.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on September 24, 2011, 07:35:02 pm
Chris Harris is slow, Plank is slow, Fencik is slow, Duerson slow, Mike Brown slow...  what is the point?

Now, if he turns out to be Terry Schmidt slow, then I am in agreement.  Danieal Manning fast.  Are we missing him now?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 24, 2011, 08:04:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOUpG7c1WR4

Every Bears offensive play from last weeks game if anyone wants to break them down.  Imo there is blame enough for everyone except for Forte.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 25, 2011, 01:54:42 am

 The past is the past ... lets get ready to play.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2011, 07:42:29 am
Lets hope the Wooden Indian has the troops fired up to win today. I cant believe there is anything that is more motivational to Bear fans than beating the Pack. If this team cant get up for the Pack its time for changes.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on September 25, 2011, 08:45:32 am
Tom Waddle picked Bears over Packers
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 25, 2011, 10:51:02 am
The OL is still a screen door on a submarine. One can hope though, one can hope.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 25, 2011, 10:51:15 am
SO what is more important, Cutler doing well to keep up with Rodgers, or the defense getting to Rodgers and limiting him?  If we can do both, its a win.  Not sure we win a shoot out.  Limit Rodgers but Cutler stinks, not so sure we win that one either.  I would be they told Martz you MUST run the ball 20 times at least today.  ;) 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 10:54:49 am
On NFLN LaCanfora blames all the sacks on Cutler.  What a dumb ass.  It is obvious he hates Cutler.

Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk went through several plays and they placed the blame on everyone.  Sometimes it was the O-line, some times the TE sometimes the RB and sometimes Cutler.  They did not touch on the WR's but we all know they are part of the problem as well.  The entire unit took turns missing their assignments.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 11:02:46 am
Ugh, 3:15 game time today.  I prefer noon kick offs.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2011, 11:04:29 am
So much for the Fox anti Cuttler theorists

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0925-haugh-bears-packers-chicago--20110924,0,4885993.column
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 11:16:03 am
Sorry Buck hates the Bears.  Everyone knows it he always is down on them.  Most of the media is pretty fair but he is a Chicago hater for as long as I can remember.  That said really who cares in the grand scheme of things.

Now real news.  Chris Harris is playing today.  That helps.  Roy Williams is playing also.  Not sure how much that will help.  It could be big if he can catch the ball.

Barber, Bennett and Carimi are out.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 11:40:42 am
Also it is being reported that Carimi could be back next week as well as Barber.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2011, 11:41:44 am
I expected Bennett and Carimi out, but I did expect Barber to play
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 11:55:36 am
WTH..Barber still out?? Good pickup there,sheesh!

Lions/Vikes should be fun to watch....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 11:59:59 am
Hate to say it,but GO QUEENIES!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on September 25, 2011, 12:18:34 pm
Calf muscle injuries are a ****.  They are also easily reinjured.  I don't think that they should be relying too heavily on Barber for awhile.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 12:38:09 pm
Queenies take care of the Loins,and it appears they're doing just that so far, and we could end up in first place in the Division after we dismantle the Quack this afternoon..... ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 01:07:00 pm
Same Ol' Loins....12 zip Queenies  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 01:28:00 pm
20-0 Vikings.

Bears just need to take care of business today and they will be in first place all by themselves.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 01:28:27 pm
20 zip Queens at half,lol....looks like it's setting up for our being division leader!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 01:39:12 pm
It is pouring rain in Carolina.  The field has standing water and the stadium stairs look like a waterfall.

Too bad I only get to see clips of theat game it would be fun to watch it all.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 01:44:00 pm
Yea,saw some of that,wow! Looks like a mess and when the players go down,there's a huge splash.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 02:24:27 pm
Queens doing everything they can to blow this lead, 20-10 with Loins knocking on the door for another score....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 02:27:42 pm
20-17...I'd be embarrassed if I were a Queen fan,wow....17 unanswered pts...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 02:59:34 pm
Hmmm, Now I am hearing Chris Harris won't play.  That sucks.  Steltz and Meriweather will start with Conte the only back up safety since Harris and Wright are out.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 03:00:44 pm
Wait we also have the other rookie Venable.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 03:01:53 pm
Lions winning 23-20 after being down 20-0.  If the Vikings lose this will be the third straight game they had a double digit lead going into half time and lost.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 03:08:44 pm
23-23

If this game goes into OT I am going to miss the start of the Bears game.  Not cool!  I hate 3PM games.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:10:24 pm
Was thinking that too,Peke....get this stupid game over with! Queens,pffft....idiots are gonna lose this one....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:13:33 pm
Game just switched over for me to Bears/Pack start...whew....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 03:14:49 pm
Me too!  Thank goodness.  I have missed the entire first quarter before.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 25, 2011, 03:15:13 pm
still have Queens/Loins here..dang it
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:18:00 pm
13 yard run by Grant....15 yard pass by Rodgers....another 19 yard pass by Rodgers...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:20:58 pm
11 yard first down,again,play by Rodgers......offsides by Bears ,false start by Pack...they're on Bears 30
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 25, 2011, 03:23:15 pm
Bears are going to smeared. They aren't anything but a bunch of wussies.

Stick with the Red Zone if you want  some real football games.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:24:37 pm
Dumbass Bears keep jumping offsides...easy TD by Pack....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 25, 2011, 03:25:34 pm
Sporty, don't even get worked up about it. They stink. Week 1 was a fluke.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:25:52 pm
Already 7 zip....dumbfk Bears....how the fk he can draw the home team offsides is beyond me. Should be the other way around with the noise...leave it to the Bears....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:27:01 pm
Trainwreck offense on the field...heeere we go....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 25, 2011, 03:27:59 pm
Loins just won...sounds like I haven't been missing anything.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:29:14 pm
Forte stuffed,loss of 1 by Matthews....Sanz catch after woodson blitz..pickup of a couple....FIRST down,knox! nice pass,13 yard pass. AND they picked up a Woodson blitz too!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:30:16 pm
Looks like they're gonna be blitzing Woodson as usual off the right side all day....they picked one up,let one go....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:31:02 pm
So far Forte runs...two delayed handoffs...two stuffs....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 25, 2011, 03:32:12 pm
This team is so sloppy and boring.

I wish Cutler would just go away with half the other team.

It's like watching the Cubs.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:32:40 pm
Punt...yep,great start....couple more drives and I'm turnin it off....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:35:46 pm
Rodgers not even breaking a sweat...completion...completion....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:36:35 pm
How bout someone getting in the passing lanes underneath for a fking change? This is just pass and catch ****....he's getting the ball out quick. Get on the recievers!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 25, 2011, 03:38:15 pm
Wow, do we even have a defense? If we suck this year, I'll really be hoping they clean house, including Angelo.

I'm still hopeful.... C'mon Bears!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 25, 2011, 03:39:28 pm
BTW- I hate these fukking orange uni's!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 25, 2011, 03:40:13 pm
Well, good stop. Now if the O can get going..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:40:44 pm
Packers are using the EXACT same playbook as the Saints did. Quick passes and delayed runs....they finally stopped them...wow
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2011, 03:41:43 pm
I am not going to sit and watch the Pack run up and down the field all day. This is sickening. We have no defense
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 25, 2011, 03:44:13 pm
Now Cuntler throws a stupid INT.

Just go away. Go far away you dick weed
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:44:33 pm
Now Cutler's gone braindead and is throwing picks...gotta love that....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 25, 2011, 03:45:03 pm
Man, Shitty play by Cutler..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:45:51 pm
Peppers sack and hold on GB,lol....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 25, 2011, 03:47:01 pm
Our D has tightened up, can our O do anything?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:50:08 pm
Dumbfk Bears need to put someone on Matthews and Woodsons side to block! And now Cutler is overthrowing **** by a mile....this is a cluster....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 25, 2011, 03:51:08 pm
Is Cutler awful, or what?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:51:23 pm
It is SO easy to beat this team....just rattle Cutler early,his accuracy will disappear instantly.....gets rattled quick....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 03:51:53 pm
O looks totally out of sink.  No one is doing their jobs.

This is so frustrating.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 25, 2011, 03:52:21 pm
Rex Cutler..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 25, 2011, 03:52:29 pm
bears have ruined cutler...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 03:54:33 pm
Cutler hasn't even been hit how can he be rattled?



Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:57:53 pm
We need a new staff.....we just need to start the hell over....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 03:59:23 pm
Stelz...what the hell is he even ON the team for? Idiot doesn't even pay attention....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 04:00:40 pm
Easy TD...fk this team..they fking SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 04:01:19 pm
Trash the whole fking lot of em including GM and everyone and start over right....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 25, 2011, 04:01:37 pm
14-0 good team. I hate when they put the Bores on the Red Zone.

Almost rooting for Green Bay. I hate Cutler and the offense that much.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 04:02:12 pm
I'm done with this..got better things to do than watch a **** azzed team play crap ball......
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2011, 04:02:39 pm
14-0. Where is the Bear defense. Looks the same as when the Pack played the Saints.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 25, 2011, 04:06:26 pm
you could tell on that 3rd & 1 Steltz was going to get lit  up. He did. horrible so far. horrible.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 25, 2011, 04:07:55 pm
Fukking delay of game?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 25, 2011, 04:10:43 pm
Finally!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 25, 2011, 04:40:39 pm
Fukk you Matrz, three straight passes..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 04:46:52 pm
17 passes,6 runs..yep,he learned his lesson alright  ::)

17-10 at half and I have no idea why I'm watching this still....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 04:49:11 pm
If the D would do their job the O will score. 

Martz and Cutler finally have the Packers D figured out.

Unfortunately everyone has the Bears D figured out.  Stay patient, run and throw quick passes.  Lovie has no answer.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on September 25, 2011, 04:52:45 pm
HATED the play calls on 1st and goal just before the half.  If you run the ball, at least you run out the clock.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 04:53:35 pm
"Super" teams are falling like flies today...Pats lost, Eagles lost.....Pack next? Yea.....miracles can happen....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2011, 04:58:20 pm
17-10. Should have been 17-14. Bad offensive play calling. We are lucky to be within 7 pts. You have to get takeaways and we cant do that. I thought Melton was going to rip the ball right out of Rodgers's hand on that sack.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 05:03:06 pm
That is pathetic.  Williams is a moron.  How do you let your guy go clean to the QB and block no one?

This team is a cluster ****!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 05:03:45 pm
That was the lamest azz start to a half that I've seen in a while. Jailbreak thanks to the Oline and directly thanks to ANGIE (jag), another lame attempt at a run, another dropped pass for less than the first down....punt. Great job, LOVIE.....game to soon be out of reach here....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 05:06:19 pm
Peppers getting stuffed by a fking backup tackle...that tells the tale of this game....their backups are better than our starters!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 05:12:16 pm
F-ucking peewee league bullshit!  Everyone on the Bears team takes turns f-ucking up!

This **** is piiisssing me off! 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 05:14:04 pm
CLUSTER.... where's Roy Boy Mouth Williams??? Knox can't stay on his feet,the Oline can't block without a ton of help, Cutler is soo rattled he is missing targets, Oline,again can't run block and Forte is in negative territory, 3 and out,3 and out,3 and out...this is a 5-11 year at best....hopefully some heads will roll in the offseason. The most important being Angelo's.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 25, 2011, 05:16:25 pm
I hope Cutler leaves after this season. He's pretty much useless. He's worse than Carlos Marmol of the Cubs.

Both area waste to their teams.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 05:18:09 pm
Angelo has to go!!! HAS TO GO!!!! HE is the biggest problem with this team! His inability to understand the importance of a OFFENSIVE LINE and WIDE RECIEVERS...is KILLING,absolutely KILLING THIS TEAM!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 25, 2011, 05:24:33 pm
Cutler has had time all day. He's just no good. This offense is no good. This team is no good.

4-12, maybe worse.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 25, 2011, 05:25:31 pm
Do we have a **** first down in this half?  BRILLIANT halftime adjustments Martz!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 05:26:04 pm
Packers will score a TD here.  Game over.

The D sucks the O sucks and the special teams are mediocre.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 25, 2011, 05:26:56 pm
Actually......no.  This is turning into vomit grade material.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 05:32:53 pm
This is keyston kops bullshit!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 05:34:32 pm
KNOX IS A FUCKINGPUSSY!!!!

FUK U KNOX!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on September 25, 2011, 05:36:15 pm
Has any team in NFL history had a worse group of receivers than this Bears' collection?

Cutler has to block for himself, throw and then catch his own passes.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 25, 2011, 05:37:44 pm
more points coming up for the pricks from Wis.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 25, 2011, 05:38:53 pm
Actually, Cutler has been kept pretty clean all day. Whoever said everybody sucks on the Bears is right . They all do.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 25, 2011, 05:39:14 pm
Has any team in NFL history had a worse group of receivers than this Bears' collection?

Nope. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 25, 2011, 05:41:13 pm
The one bad thing about the Red Zone? When you are trying to wath quality games from coast to coast and they put the Bears on.

They need to work on that. I don't like this team Red Zone so quit ruining it for me.  :o
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 05:41:21 pm
The Bears WR's are worthless.  Knox should be cut immediately following this game.  Hell cut him right now and send a message to the team.

The Bears best healthy Wr is Sanxenbacher,  How pathetic is that?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 05:43:09 pm
Then let Finley run free in the red zone?

This team sucks ass!  Worst team ever fuk u Lovie Smith!  Fuk u Angelo!  Fuk you the entire organization.

Absolutely riduculous.  Can't play defense or offense.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 25, 2011, 05:43:17 pm
TD Packers.  Bears will be lucky to win another game. 

PA. THET.  IC.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2011, 05:43:30 pm
Game over. 27-10 finley with 3 TDs. We couldnt stop that freight train
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 25, 2011, 05:43:49 pm
Oh look.....Steltz torched.  Again.  Bears ATM for the Packers. #20 is money for them.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 05:44:04 pm
Finley has 3 TD's and they don't bother covering him...  Unreal...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 05:44:16 pm
Chris nailed it...Cutler has to be a one man show because what he has around him is totally worthless. This shows you the braintrust of this team when they go out and get Roy Williams thinking HE'S the answer. Hell, I knew that was stupid from the get-go!

The first to get fired without a doubt should be Angelo. And as soon as is possible. Second right on his heels is Martz. Guys a complete idiot with his 7 step drops with a Oline that can't block to save ANYONES life. Empyy backfield same $hit. Third out the door, Lovie. He is so not there, a sub factor in this whole thing. He's a face on the sideline doing nothing,expecting nothing,and getting nothing.  Three of em should be gone....and THEN hire someone who understand the importance of building the trenches, BOTH of them!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 25, 2011, 05:46:23 pm
Cutler sucks, the WR's suck, the defense is slow and old and sucks, the coaches suck, the old hag that owns the team sucks, the grass sucks... ???

Something else sucks but I'm running out of choices.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 25, 2011, 05:47:32 pm
lol JB....what's with a frigging nail sticking up in the sod? They can't even get the &%#^&%$ FIELD right!!! What a joke...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 05:49:05 pm
The D finally makes a play but they will over turn it and give the ball back to Green Bay.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 05:53:41 pm
Now someone makes a play when it is to late.

This team is going to be the death of me.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 25, 2011, 05:54:21 pm

wow, a bear receiver held onto the ball. what's that about a blind squirrel?   ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on September 25, 2011, 05:57:08 pm
Cutler's accuracy is really off.  Even the TD was a badly thrown ball.  Those mechanical improvements that we heard about sure seem to have unraveled.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 25, 2011, 05:58:25 pm
Sporty, At first I thought it was the top of a pop up sprinkler. But after seeing it, it may have been a terroist attack. Hopefully Angelo is behind it and will be punished.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 25, 2011, 06:01:58 pm
Urlacher is a HOF'er ... jeez what a play!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on September 25, 2011, 06:04:16 pm
This offense is wretched.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 25, 2011, 06:07:52 pm
3rd and 33. Only a great QB like Cutler can pick this up.

Well, no instead they'll hand off for 7- yards. This team is so bad, it's Cubs bad.

Cutler is the new Marmol.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on September 25, 2011, 06:12:51 pm
They have 11 rushes today.  For 4 yards.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 06:13:43 pm
The time outs called due to coaching mistakes are piiiisssing me off!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 06:18:44 pm
Knox is a terrible WR. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on September 25, 2011, 06:20:44 pm
Well, when you have a terrible QB and terrible WR's you get a terrible offense which means you have a terrible team.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 06:23:29 pm
There are so many problems on this team but they are all fixable. 

I am just pissed though.  Omiyale is a false start machine.  I think he had three this week and two last week.

This loss falls on the D.  They gave up 7 right off the bat.  If they don't this is a whole different ball game.

Our special team are no longer special.

The stupid penalties killed us.  To have a game like this after the Saints game is very discouraging.  They better get it all straightened out from here on out or no play offs this year.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 06:28:36 pm
That ST play pretty much sums up the Bears this year one step forward two steps back. 

That was a TD.  No clue why it was called back since 21 never blocked anyone.  So the Bears suck and they are getting screwed by the refs.  Not sure I can watch football this year if it is going to continue like this.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 25, 2011, 06:29:04 pm
they called holding on graham and nobody was even near him on that runback.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 25, 2011, 06:31:18 pm
This offense is simply abominable.

Our only hope of salvaging the season is to fire Martz after the Tampa Bay game (which we will lose), promote Tice to OC and work 24/7 over the bye week installing a new offense.  We'll probably be out of the playoffs by then and we may still lose games after that, but at least it won't look like a Chinese fire drill out there.

If we keep Martz the rest of the season I'm not sure we'll win 3 more games.

Johnny Knox and Roy Williams played ridiculously bad football today.  Neither of them belong on an NFL team. With the kickoff rule eliminating Knox's value as a returner he is useless to us . And Roy Williams (a former high 1st round pick) is being got outplayed by an UDFA (Sanzenbacher) every time they're both on the field.

I won't be watching the Panthers game.  I need a break, and life's too short to watch football being played this badly. I see better execution by my nephew's 5th grade team and I'm not joking.

What an embarrassment and I hope the folks at Soldier Field were letting them hear about it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 06:33:07 pm
The Bears are getting screwed by the refs at an alarming rate this year.  They suck bad enough and do not need help losing yet the refs have decided to screw them anyway.

This is two games in a row where the calls have been totally one sided.  It sucks.  But if the Bears did not suck so bad on the field it would not matter.

What really sucks is that great mind **** of Hester waving for a fair catch was wasted.  That was a TD.  No way do the Bears win that game but that was a TD.

One more reason to hate the Packers I guess. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on September 25, 2011, 06:35:37 pm
well, i am going to watch the demise of this team on dvr the rest of the year.  really, even 1 hour spent watching this pathetic offense is too much, but the defense is usually worth the effort.  if the bears organization won't put a product worth watching on the field it's not worth following it live.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 25, 2011, 06:35:53 pm
But if the Bears did not suck so bad on the field it would not matter.

I agree with this.  And, it's easy to know why we're not getting any breaks...  we suck.  At least the offense, which was an embarrassment to the entire league today.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 25, 2011, 06:37:50 pm
well, i am going to watch the demise of this team on dvr the rest of the year.  really, even 1 hour spent watching this pathetic offense is too much, but the defense is usually worth the effort.  if the bears organization won't put a product worth watching on the field it's not worth following it live.

Yup.  It's pretty sad when fans are checking out of the Bears before it's even October but that's how bad we've looked these last two games.

This team isn't going anywhere this year except to a Top 15 draft pick.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 25, 2011, 06:40:32 pm
This loss falls on the D.  They gave up 7 right off the bat.  If they don't this is a whole different ball game.

I agree the terrible start by the D put us in a huge hole.

But this loss is way more on the O.  At least our D pulled their heads out after a shaky start, made some plays and were giving a solid effort right throughout.  Our offense started bad and got worse as the game wore on.  The third quarter in particular being unspeakably bad. As soon as we went 3 and out the first possession of the 2nd half I suspected it was not meant to be and then when we got nothing from that Urlacher INT I knew we were finished.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2011, 06:45:15 pm
They gave up 7 right off the bat.  If they don't this is a whole different ball game.

Yup just marched down thw field like clockwork. And its because they didnt seem ready to play. Just remember who the architect of this team is.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2011, 06:46:58 pm
Is there a sane person who actually believes this team can make the playoffs even as a wild card? I dont!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 25, 2011, 06:51:17 pm
I'm not convinced there will even be a wildcard team out of the NFC North but if it is, it will be the Lions.

So if we're not gonna make the playoffs we might as well hope we have a spectacularly bad year so that Lovie and his staff all get fired and they clean house at OL, WR and S.  A 7-9 season that brings back the whole inept crew for 2012 doesn't do any of us any good.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 25, 2011, 07:05:29 pm
Cutler's accuracy is really off.  Even the TD was a badly thrown ball.  Those mechanical improvements that we heard about sure seem to have unraveled.

exactly the same thing I saw, Cutlers throws have all been off.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 25, 2011, 07:09:03 pm

 We was robbed of a TD at the end of the game by zebras.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on September 25, 2011, 07:09:43 pm
I think he's really rattled by the rush -- whether it is there or not.  He made a couple of throws that were quite literally off by 5-10 yards.

I wonder whether they can afford to keep running Martz's offensive system.  They just don't have the personnel for it. 

Also, only 12 runs again today.  Once again, they didn't even try.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 25, 2011, 07:13:31 pm
Martz has got to go, and not just due to the lopsided play calling. The O is just plain awful! How about our run game, when we do decide to run... LOL!!

I'm so sick of Lovie's defense I could scream. Even if we have a poor record this year, I'm afraid Lovie will still be around for next season. Angelo needs to go, now!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 25, 2011, 07:15:57 pm
East fan- Yep, look at the difference between Cut and Rodgers. Rodgers stands tall in the pocket, Jay's dancing around the whole time..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 25, 2011, 07:31:09 pm

So I am recording the game and get to my TV about a half an hour into it.  Except when I start watching it there is no Bears game...they have instead  switched to  the end of the Minnesota/Lions game and I miss half the first quarter.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 25, 2011, 07:37:39 pm

Line play was pretty bad on both sides.  Offensively, the O-line is getting manhandled right at the snap.

Defensively, the Bears d-line gets engulfed by a sea of white Packer jersies.  Same play over and over, center and guard take on one DT the other guard and a tackle take on the other DT.  A TE blocks out one one DE and the other OT takes the DE outside.  The either the center or the guard on the double team block Urlacher and its off to the races up the middle. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 25, 2011, 07:41:23 pm
East fan- Yep, look at the difference between Cut and Rodgers. Rodgers stands tall in the pocket, Jay's dancing around the whole time..

I'd say just the opposite.  Jay drops back, rarlely steps up in the pocket, rarely rolls out.  He just sits there waiting for somebody to come open.  Packers no where Jay is gong to be.

If it wasn't the O-line making a mental mistake, it was a receiver dropping the ball, or Cutler just flat out missing guys.  It just gets old watching this bunch of bumblers out there...totally out of sync.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 25, 2011, 08:27:06 pm
Martz has got to go, and not just due to the lopsided play calling. The O is just plain awful! How about our run game, when we do decide to run... LOL!!

I'm so sick of Lovie's defense I could scream. Even if we have a poor record this year, I'm afraid Lovie will still be around for next season. Angelo needs to go, now!!

Chifan you cant run the ball when you are behind. And when they did try to run the ball the defense was in the backfield stopping ther ball carrier. They had no choice but to pass heavy.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 25, 2011, 08:30:58 pm
Well, that was your basic football root canal.  Without novicane. How many times did the Bears run the ball?  And got how many yards? Again, this is all on the Jer.  And according to this board, we have his personal ass-wipe waiting in the wings for when the Jer decides to glide off into the sunset. Super, just super. I'm already guilty of being a cubs fan, and now this. I might as well start beating myself with ropes.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 25, 2011, 09:07:33 pm
This team sucks.  They take turns fu--cking up.  When the O is doing good the D is giving up 15 play TD drives.  When the D makes a play the O goes 3 and out.

As if the team is not bad enough the coaches are brain dead and if something accidently does go right the refs call a phantom penalty.  I am seriouslt considering just stopping watching football.  I know I won't but a few more games like this and I will.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 25, 2011, 09:31:02 pm
Pluses coming out of today's game for the Bear...................................................................Ok! that covers the pluses.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on September 26, 2011, 12:06:03 am
No phanton to it. The hold is on the left...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LwJU7zZkwJo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LwJU7zZkwJo)

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 26, 2011, 04:29:35 am
Fukk that play, we had all game to not be in the position of needing that to only lose anyway..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 26, 2011, 04:38:16 am
I see that Forte's net was 8 inches per carry.. LOL!!! This team is a complete joke!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 26, 2011, 06:23:06 am
I see that Forte's net was 8 inches per carry.. LOL!!! This team is a complete joke!

Thats why they didnt run the ball more. GB stopped the run cold and forced Cuttler to pass figuring they'd stomp us into the ground with interceptions or kill Cuttler with their blitzes. Well they didnt succeed with that. They were able to beat us because our defense couldnt stop Rodgers.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 26, 2011, 07:37:46 am
I didn't see the whole game but it seemed like a lot of the plays Cutler had time but either no one was open or they would drop the ball.
On that first INT to Burnett, it looked like Roy was in slow motion coming out of his break, I wonder if he is still not 100%.
If that ball had been thrown a little shorter or Roy was a little faster that was a big gainer, that is if he actually caught the ball.

At least next week is the Panthers so I can see that one on TV too. We should beat the Panthers. I don't think Newton is patient enough to carve up the Bears D. You know though that Chico will be preaching it all week that you have to be patient and take the short passes.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 08:12:27 am
Thats why they didnt run the ball more. GB stopped the run cold and forced Cuttler to pass figuring they'd stomp us into the ground with interceptions or kill Cuttler with their blitzes. Well they didnt succeed with that. They were able to beat us because our defense couldnt stop Rodgers.

And because our WRs are Division II quality.

I'm looking at the schedule between now and the bye week (Panthers, Lions, Vikings, Bucs) and I'm not sure there's team on that list we can beat with our offense as bad as it is.  Maybe the Vikings...  but Jared Allen is in beast mode this season so even that one won't be easy.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: guest118 on September 26, 2011, 08:24:25 am
Come on - 9 rushes???????????????

Has Mike Martz been fired yet? mr. Pass happy.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 08:36:21 am
We go from Ron Turner to Mike Martz and the offense now is worse than it was then.

Obviously neither of the two extremes work and we need to find someone in the middle.

Cutler played very badly yesterday but you have to feel for the guy...  he has had nothing but idiot OCs and a Division II supporting cast the whole time he's been here.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 08:53:40 am
In the interests of time I will give a very abbreviated report card on yesterday's game.

- The offense gets a D-minus which is only that high because they actually scored two TDs (one more than I had expected). The running game was non-existent, the passing game was dreadful and it's getting to the point where changing OCs and offensive schemes midseason is no longer such a radical idea.

- The defense gets a C which would have been higher if they had not spotted the Packers the easiest opening drive I have ever seen.

- Special teams get a B which would have been an A if not for the terrible mistake on the punt return that cost us the TD. We are just going to have to accept the fact that the kickoff rule changes have effectively eliminated our returners as a scoring threat, and adjust our expectations of our STs accordingly.

- The coaches, for the second straight week, get an F.  The Bears were completely unprepared to play and had no answers for anything the Packers threw at them.  This staff is mailing it in against playoff caliber teams and you're seeing the results on the field.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on September 26, 2011, 08:56:06 am
The Bears are the Keystone Cops indeed......

Only the Bears could turn Cutler from a strong-armed dangerous QB into a stiff just like we've had for most of the modern era. They should just trade him now and get something for him- they can use some no-name punching bag back there. I'm sure Cutler would be appreciative.....

Craig Steltz- the kid cannot play. Period. But he's by no means the only culprit mascarading as a professional football player. The same can be said for a lot of the players we have as starters of backups......

The season is a marathon, not a sprint. But this team has looked worse every week. They have to improve or this team is done. And if they are done, I sincerely hope RuskAngelo are done as well. Unfortunately that is a pipe dream. At best- Angelo may get the axe (or retire) and Ruskell will take his place. New incompetent boss meet the old incompetent boss. Discouraging indeed.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 09:02:55 am
The Bears are the Keystone Cops indeed......

Only the Bears could turn Cutler from a strong-armed dangerous QB into a stiff just like we've had for most of the modern era. They should just trade him now and get something for him- they can use some no-name punching bag back there. I'm sure Cutler would be appreciative.....

The only way I can see Cutler salvaging his career here is if the Bears front office were to completely rebuild the offense to very closely resemble what he had in his Pro Bowl year in Denver. I.e.:

- New OC
- New offensive scheme
- A big talented #1 WR  (a la Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald)
- And a radically improved OL

That's a big commitment, but if you're an organization with a franchise caliber QB and you're serious about winning a lot of games, that's what you do.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 26, 2011, 09:03:33 am
We can forget the playoffs. We cant catch GB and even were we to win some games there are better teams within our own division better qualified to be wild cards.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 26, 2011, 09:21:37 am
Just read all the posts here...didn't have time before. Everyone seems to be giving Briggs a pass. Am I the only one that saw how often he was out of position? He better stop his contract whining and step it up. A couple nice stops doesent make up for the poor play otherwise. One of the Finley TD's was directly on him. Also...is  there anyone out there that still thinks our receivers are OK?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 26, 2011, 09:22:29 am
if we can win against CAR that leaves us 2-2 in the 1st Q of the schedule.
the only teams on our schedule that look tough the rest of the way are GB and SD and possibly PHI depending on Vick.
GB, and NO are teams you have to bring your A game each week or you don't have a chance.

The rest of the teams we should be able to beat if we get our junk together even if we make a few mistakes.
DET is coming along well though, I expect we'll drop at least one game against them.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: guest118 on September 26, 2011, 09:23:39 am
The O-line is horrendous!!! Chris Williams TWICE was supposed to pull and then block Mathews - he too slow and non-athletic - another Angelo bust.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 26, 2011, 09:26:22 am
I re-watched the called back punt return and at the very beginning you can see Graham get beat by the gunner and reach for his shoulder pad for a split second.  When Graham walked off the field he pointed to himself. 

I've seen a lot worse not called - especially on our pass patterns.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 09:26:39 am
The Lions annihilated the Vikings in the 2nd half yesterday with a steady 1-2 punch of Calvin Johnson and Pettigrew. They could not get anything on the ground against the Vikings D, but with those two huge pass catchers and Stafford getting solid protection (mostly), they didn't have to.

Our D is very similar to the Vikings...  solid against the run but inconsistent against the pass, meaning they can't always able stop 3rd downs when they need to.   Also, the Vikings beat themselves a lot yesterday, which we also have been doing a lot of on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 09:29:38 am
The O-line is horrendous!!! Chris Williams TWICE was supposed to pull and then block Mathews - he too slow and non-athletic - another Angelo bust.

Yeah Williams had a really bad game. The experiment with him at OG needs to be concluded and called a failure.  Which pretty much means he was a(nother) Angelo 1st round pick who never panned out. 

This is why I was so adamant in the offseason that we needed quality additions at both OT and OG.  Just adding Carimi wasn't gonna cut it, as we saw even before he went down.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 09:33:35 am
Lovie needs to tell Martz to get his a-ss out of the press box and back down on the sidelines.

This is two games in a row where Martz clearly had no clue what the hell was going on. And the plays are taking WAY too long to come in.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 26, 2011, 09:39:30 am
we need to get the play out there faster.
The O has no time to get any pre-snap reads and the D can T up because they know we don't have time to do hard counts or anything.
Martz needs to be on the sidelines. Whatever advantage he thinks he has from being up in the press box apparently isn't working.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 09:52:44 am
Martz needs to be on the sidelines. Whatever advantage he thinks he has from being up in the press box apparently isn't working.

The only advantage Martz has being in the box is that he can't hear all the boos or have Cutler go off on him face-to-face.

Which, being as much of a chickensh-it as Martz is, may be exactly the reason he's up there.

The bottom line is that this is an extremely dysfunctional Bears team that has taken the field these last two Sundays. Mostly on the offense but there have been plenty of defensive bone-ups as well.  Big changes are needed, and fast. That falls on Lovie as the HC and if he is unable or unwilling to do that, then he needs to be replaced by someone who can and will. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 26, 2011, 10:47:06 am
The O-line is horrendous!!! Chris Williams TWICE was supposed to pull and then block Mathews - he too slow and non-athletic - another Angelo bust.

I saw that.  Dont know what Williams problem was yesterday, but it was like he didnt eat his breakfast or was brain dead or something. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 26, 2011, 10:51:45 am
I knew we were sunk when every GB play on that opening drive was a first down.  Peppers was pretty quiet, I saw him getting blocked pretty well by a TE.  I guess someone needs to say it so:  Lets Suck for Andrew Luck.  Read on PFT that wherever he goes, Cowher may be interested to follow.  I would accept a 1-15 season for that outcome, although it would be painful.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 26, 2011, 10:52:40 am
I'm not a big Martz fan but I can't blame him for not running the ball when Forte is getting hit in the backfield due to the poor run blocking. He also can't control dropped passes (Knox, Williams at the goal line), brain cramp penalties (false starts and personal fouls-Hester) or overthrown passes and int's.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 26, 2011, 10:53:48 am
I knew we were sunk when every GB play on that opening drive was a first down.  Peppers was pretty quiet, I saw him getting blocked pretty well by a TE.  I guess someone needs to say it so:  Lets Suck for Andrew Luck.  Read on PFT that wherever he goes, Cowher may be interested to follow.  I would accept a 1-15 season for that outcome, although it would be painful.

Do you trust Angelo to make that pick even if we did get it?  I don't.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 26, 2011, 10:54:05 am
Its funny, they usually say that OL like to run block better than pass protect.  I guess not our guys huh.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 26, 2011, 10:54:47 am
Do you trust Angelo to make that pick even if we did get it?  I don't.

No I trust Cowher to make that pick as a combined GM/HC.  I can dream right?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 26, 2011, 10:59:15 am
As bad as our receivers are I would take a flyer on Randy Moss. We've clearly got nothing to lose and if Brady is saying that he would welcome him back he must be ok in the locker room. Which is worse, Moss intentionally taking some plays off or our current WR's unintentionally sucking?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 11:03:44 am
Yeah wasn't our OL supposed to have improved their run blocking so much?

Sure didn't see it yesterday.  It was as bad as it's ever been, maybe worse.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 11:05:36 am
I'm not a big Martz fan but I can't blame him for not running the ball when Forte is getting hit in the backfield due to the poor run blocking. He also can't control dropped passes (Knox, Williams at the goal line), brain cramp penalties (false starts and personal fouls-Hester) or overthrown passes and int's.

I blame Martz for not tailoring his offense to our players.

Case in point, Buffalo.  They do not have a single Pro Bowl caliber player on that Bills offense, but they're scoring points and they're 3-0. I'm not going to deny we have some serious talent deficiencies on our offense, but that's no excuse to look like the worst offense in the league against a Packers D that's middle of the road at best. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 26, 2011, 11:07:04 am
I'm not a big Martz fan but I can't blame him for not running the ball when Forte is getting hit in the backfield due to the poor run blocking. He also can't control dropped passes (Knox, Williams at the goal line), brain cramp penalties (false starts and personal fouls-Hester) or overthrown passes and int's.

Agreed.   Nothing wrong with the playcalling.  Just too many unforced mistakes.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 26, 2011, 11:42:33 am
I can go along with that..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 26, 2011, 11:43:20 am
8 inches per carry... I'm still laughing at that one..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 26, 2011, 11:44:52 am
As bad as our receivers are I would take a flyer on Randy Moss. We've clearly got nothing to lose and if Brady is saying that he would welcome him back he must be ok in the locker room. Which is worse, Moss intentionally taking some plays off or our current WR's unintentionally sucking?

Yeah, that would be IF you could get him here.  Why exactly would he want to come to the Bears???
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 26, 2011, 11:47:02 am
Don't remember which pre-game show it was but the Bears were mentioned as one of about 6 teams that met the requirements that Moss is looking for to come back.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on September 26, 2011, 11:47:16 am
He stated that the right situation would be a veteran QB and appropriate compensation.

We have a veteran QB and plenty of unspent money.

I'm all for it. No way he's worse than Roy Williams.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 26, 2011, 11:59:23 am
Not saying he wouldnt be a HUGE improvement over what we have, just cant imagine why he would want to come here.  Bad Oline, no qb protection, no running game to balance things out, no supporting wrs.  Probably not going to be a winning season. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 01:26:14 pm
I'm all for it. No way he's worse than Roy Williams.

I've never been a big Randy Moss fan but I agree with this statement 100%.

Until and unless Earl Bennett comes back our WRs outside of Sanzenbacher are absolute garbage.  Bottom 5 in the league, no question.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 26, 2011, 02:20:16 pm
Give him a call..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 26, 2011, 02:23:30 pm
We need a WR that is reliable on 3rd down.  Bennett is that guy.  Problem is there is no #1 WR on the team.  Just a bunch of #2s and #3s.  If you do sign Moss who do you cut?

As for Roy Williams I'll give him a pass this week.  He hasn't been practicing much for 2 weeks and was injured during camp too.  He was open on the deep pass that Cutler threw inside and late.  The other pick was not catchable either.  He should have had that one at the goal line though.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 02:37:10 pm
Only a cast of fools would think you could take two undersized return specialists (Knox and Hester), and count on them being significant contributors as WRs in the most pass-dependent offense in the league.

Well we have that cast of fools and you have seen the results these last two games. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 02:38:25 pm
We need a WR that is reliable on 3rd down.  Bennett is that guy.  Problem is there is no #1 WR on the team.  Just a bunch of #2s and #3s.  If you do sign Moss who do you cut?

Cut Roy Williams, or put him on IR since he's always hurt anyway.

I also think we should strongly consider trading either Knox or Hester at the end of this season. Especially if we launch Martz (please God) and install a more traditional offense with a premium on bigger WRs.  Knox is more expendable (due to the kickoff rule change), but Hester would draw more in trade. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 26, 2011, 02:56:42 pm
I dont think I would have a problem trading Hester.  What is his ratio of bone headed plays/drops to good long catches.  Throwing the punch yesterday just shows dumbness.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on September 26, 2011, 03:14:26 pm
I don't think Hester would bring much. The kick off rules change killed a lot of his value as well.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 26, 2011, 03:19:52 pm

Rather than talk of subtracting talent we should be talking about adding it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 03:45:29 pm
I am talking about adding talent. If Hester could bring us a young, Pro Bowl (or near Pro Bowl) caliber OG or C, I would do that trade in a minute. 

There are only three players on our roster who we could get a good player in return for at all:  Hester, Forte and Briggs.

Hester's the one we can most afford to lose out of those three.

OTOH if all Hester is going to bring is a draft pick or two that Angelo and Ruskell are going to waste on a midget DT or a bad FS, then definitely hang on to Hester.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 03:54:31 pm
He stated that the right situation would be a veteran QB and appropriate compensation.

Actually there was a third proviso...  a "good team". After the last two weeks I think it's very questionable that the Bears fit into that category. 

A cold weather, 1-2 team in a very tough division, with a bottom-5 offense and an aging defense that's being overworked to death, doesn't feel like a situation a guy like Moss would come out of retirement for.  No matter how much green you put into that contract.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 26, 2011, 04:46:57 pm
.....and lets be honest, he has lost steps. Plus he won't block, or go over the middle. Just go routes. At least that's what was said locally, after last season with him in  a Titan uniform.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on September 26, 2011, 04:54:31 pm
I would like to get someone from Green Bay and run that offense...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 05:01:02 pm
I would like to get someone from Green Bay and run that offense...

You could take the bottom 2 WRs off the Packers roster and they would be better by miles than whoever our 1 and 2 are right now.

Hell there's probably WRs on the Packers practice squad that could compete to start in Chicago.

What we have with the Bears are some really bad WRs, playing in a scheme that exposes their weaknesses.  Deadly combination.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 26, 2011, 05:15:15 pm

There's Greg Jennings...and then there's everbody else.   Put Knox opposite Jennings and he'd do well.

The lack of a running game is just putting too much pressure on Cutler and the wideouts.  Maybe the return of Bennett and eventual return to health of Roy Williams will help the passing game but I don't know what can improve the run game.  Lance Louis should be back next week and we should see more success when he pulls but I don't think he's a guy that can open big holes up the middle. 

And I think we're missing the run blocking of Carimi more than his pass blocking - I thought Omiyale did as well as could be expected blocking one on one most of the day on Matthews.  Just has to eliminate those two motion penalties he gets every game.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 26, 2011, 05:45:24 pm
I think the absence of Bennett is hurting our offense even more than the losses of Louis and Carimi.

Earl Bennett is the only WR on our roster of any size who can be counted on to get open and make a contested catch in a clutch situation.

Without him to account for, opposing defenses can sell-out against the run with very little risk. Once you make our offense one-dimensional (which happened very early in the Packers game), we're at your mercy cause like Dallas said, our remaining WRs are not up to that challenge.

If you don't have great run blocking then you had better have an insanely good passing game (e.g., the Marino era Dolphins or the Packers of last season). Unfortunately, minus Carimi and Bennett, we have neither.

As for Knox, he had better pick it up soon or he will find himself giving way to Sanzenbacher, who has 1/10th the physical ability but 10 times the feel for the offense and will go all-out for every catch.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 26, 2011, 05:56:57 pm
That Knox drop cause he was hearing footsteps probably made me more mad then any other play. 

Hey Knox you are going to get hit wether you catch it or not so you might as well catch it.  Dumb ass!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 26, 2011, 05:57:49 pm
Oh and then he rolled around on the ground like he was hurt as if that would give him an excuse for dropping the ball that he dropped before he even got hit.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on September 26, 2011, 07:05:01 pm
Yep, that one pissed me off as well..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on September 26, 2011, 08:14:44 pm
So far this year pretty disappointing.

I guess we can't be surprised to lose to the Pack as they are beating everbody lately.

I expected our offence to have its **** together much more this year after a full training camp.  After making steady progress last year, this step backward is alarming.

Dropped passes, overthrows, pass rushers not accounted for, false starts......the Bears are not in focus and ready to play.

I will give some credit to shoring up the pass blocking somewhat yesterday, but clearly we have multiple OL not NFL ready.

Finally, I'm not so sure I like this "no frills" defense that just plays straight up with no strategy.

Can't we try to screw up the offense once in awhile with zone blitzes, dropping the unexpected guy into coverage, mess with their blocking assignments a little?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 26, 2011, 08:41:33 pm
Agreed.  Brees and Rodgers are two of the most accurate passers in the NFL and not blitzing them is suicide. 

The Bears defense suffered the death of 1,000 cuts.  With them guys you have to sprinkle in blitzes and get there. 

Plus we know they are throwing quick so why aren't our DB's jumping routes?  Wish our defense could get the free pass to interfere with WR's the way the Saints and Packers D does.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 26, 2011, 09:09:53 pm

 Wonder what this team would look like with Bennett and Barber in the mix?

 And Carimi back? Hopefully we shall see this season.  ???
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 26, 2011, 09:19:01 pm
I so wanted to see Barber destroying Packer DB's.  *sigh*
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 26, 2011, 09:32:47 pm
I so wanted to see Barber destroying Packer DB's.  *sigh*

 13 more games to go ... we might just get it all.  ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 26, 2011, 09:50:22 pm
JJ "dislocated kneecap" remember? Columbo was YEARS before he got into playing shape again. Carmni - eh I hope not. Betcha the Bears could run a hell of alot better with him in. I'm at a loss why the Bears keep what seems like 10,000 DL and like 4 OL on the roster. Astoundingly blind.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 26, 2011, 10:35:52 pm
JJ "dislocated kneecap" remember? Columbo was YEARS before he got into playing shape again. Carmni - eh I hope not. Betcha the Bears could run a hell of alot better with him in. I'm at a loss why the Bears keep what seems like 10,000 DL and like 4 OL on the roster. Astoundingly blind.

 Either they clean it up ... or the McCaskys with any brains ... fire them all.

 BEARS are streaky ... one year up ...one year down ...

 this keeps owners bought off.

 Wanna look at a solid building project?

 The class act clowns of the NFC North ...

 DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETROIT Lions.

 And they did it in how many years?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 27, 2011, 12:23:33 am
Heck yea I'd give Randy Moss a call -up! In 60 nanoseconds! He's miles better than ANYTHING we've got! That would be one huge missing piece in this puzzle. The other would be someone(s) for the Oline. This is the must have second part.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 27, 2011, 12:33:37 am
Capers pulled some 'creative' stuff yesterday. Saw him drop 8 into coverage a couple times. Cutler needs to do more also than call a TO when he sees something he doesn't like. That's a waste. I'm definately not liking what I'm seeing out there. There's so much disarray that needs fixing.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 27, 2011, 08:20:56 am
That Knox drop cause he was hearing footsteps probably made me more mad then any other play. 

Hey Knox you are going to get hit wether you catch it or not so you might as well catch it.  Dumb ass!

Martz' personality and the gimmicky nature of his scheme have totally emasculated this offense.

Time was, even when the Bears lacked talent they would line up and hit you in the mouth every play.  Those days are long gone. The offense has no identity, no confidence and is soft as a marshmallow. Knox is the most glaring example of that but there are others too.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 27, 2011, 08:26:57 am
Finally, I'm not so sure I like this "no frills" defense that just plays straight up with no strategy.

The only way that approach works is you have good to great talent at every position on the defense.

We clearly do not, especially in the D-Backfield.

This is just the latest example of Lovie & Co. thinking their players are a lot better than they actually are.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 27, 2011, 08:49:25 am
you have to get pressure and make the O make mistakes in order for this defense to work.
If you don't get pressure (no rush or quick throws) or the O doesn't make mistakes or the D doesn't capitalize on the mistakes (missed sacks, ints) or the D misses tackles, you lose.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 27, 2011, 08:57:05 am
Just once I would like to see Julius Peppers dominate a top-tier OT...  or hell, even a 2nd tier OT.

The last time he really took a guy to school for an entire game was Bryant McKinnie and that's been a few years ago already.

It seems like he plays up or down to the level of his competition. There's no reason he shouldn't be putting up 2 and 3 sacks against some of the scrub tackles we've faced so far (Streif, Newhouse, etc.).

Look at how Jared Allen and Brian Robison dominated the Lions OTs and you see how it's supposed to be done.  Peppers is either getting old or isn't quite in shape yet or is picking his spots. He's playing OK, but you don't pay $90 million just to get "OK".
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 27, 2011, 09:03:46 am
JJ "dislocated kneecap" remember? Columbo was YEARS before he got into playing shape again. Carmni - eh I hope not. Betcha the Bears could run a hell of alot better with him in. I'm at a loss why the Bears keep what seems like 10,000 DL and like 4 OL on the roster. Astoundingly blind.

Carimi suffered the same injury during offseason at Wisconsin - they are talking like he could be back as early as 2 weeks or a late as 4 more weeks.

Most teams only have 8 or 9 offensive lineman on the team simply because they rarely sub them out during the game.   You need more defensive lineman because you sub them out more frequently.  Bears typically play 4 DTs and 3 DEs. 

I wonder when Wooten gets his shot as the 3rd DE - Reed was kind of quiet against the Pack.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 27, 2011, 09:08:16 am
Just once I would like to see Julius Peppers dominate a top-tier OT...  or hell, even a 2nd tier OT.

The last time he really took a guy to school for an entire game was Bryant McKinnie and that's been a few years ago already.

It seems like he plays up or down to the level of his competition. There's no reason he shouldn't be putting up 2 and 3 sacks against some of the scrub tackles we've faced so far (Streif, Newhouse, etc.).

Look at how Jared Allen and Brian Robison dominated the Lions OTs and you see how it's supposed to be done.  Peppers is either getting old or isn't quite in shape yet or is picking his spots. He's playing OK, but you don't pay $90 million just to get "OK".

I was a bit disappointed the Bears weren't able to get more pressure vs Newhouse too.

The Saints LT and Clifton are pro bowl quality but then so is Peppers.   All the Bears pass rushers seemed like they were stuck in mud Sunday.

Bears run a passive defense which by design tires itself out during the course of a game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on September 27, 2011, 09:27:42 am
I am kind of rooting for the Panthers this coming Sunday.  I know it sounds crazy, but I would actually like to see Ron Rivera come in and light up the Bears, with his rookie QB.  They had some quotes from him on the radio yesterday, he said basically after the super bowl Lovie just didnt want him any more.  And when he went to the Chargers as LB coach he got a pay raise.  He flat out said because it was Chicago it was going to mean much more than any other game.  Nice to hear some honesty from a coach.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 27, 2011, 09:45:47 am
I am kind of rooting for the Panthers this coming Sunday.  I know it sounds crazy, but I would actually like to see Ron Rivera come in and light up the Bears, with his rookie QB.  They had some quotes from him on the radio yesterday, he said basically after the super bowl Lovie just didnt want him any more.  And when he went to the Chargers as LB coach he got a pay raise.  He flat out said because it was Chicago it was going to mean much more than any other game.  Nice to hear some honesty from a coach.

It doesn't sound crazy...it is crazy.  Bears need a win.   

Bears were tired of Rivera interviewing for a HC job year after year.  I give him credit though, not too long ago he took a volunteer position with the Eagles as an assistant to their LB coach.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 27, 2011, 10:31:32 am


Bears were tired of Rivera interviewing for a HC job year after year.  I give him credit though, not too long ago he took a volunteer position with the Eagles as an assistant to their LB coach.

I agree,  it is a distraction that your DC is interviewing for HC jobs every year.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 27, 2011, 10:32:15 am
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Bears lost again on Sunday.

Rivera will have the Panthers jacked sky high. We only have three games of pro film on Cam Newton and he's got enough skills to slip our pass rush (assuming we can get any). Their RBs are rock solid and their OL is better than people give them credit for.  Their D isn't as strong as in years past but it doesn't take a very good D to shut down our offense as we've seen the past two weeks.

Also, we beat the Panthers last year despite playing horrendously (Todd Collins 4 INTs) and I'm sure a lot of this year's Panthers who were involved in that game were extremely embarrassed by that.

I could see Greg Olsen having a huge day, cause that's what ex-Bears tend to do to us (see Cedric Benson).
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: panthermark on September 27, 2011, 10:59:11 am
It is hard being a Bears fan....

The FO is useless....I can't take much more of this...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 27, 2011, 12:19:40 pm
Rather than talk of subtracting talent we should be talking about adding it.

Agreed.  Folks hating on the receivers I don't understand.   If Knox wouldn't have dropped his pass does that mean the Bears were going to beat the Packers?   I wouldn't mind keeping what we have at WR and get a real OC in here that can call plays.  Amazing how folks FORGOT Knox was a few yards from being the first WR that had 1000 yards receiving since Marty Booker but after 3 games a few folks don't want him around.  I'd rather have him than Williams.

Also an upgrade at the offensive line would help them as well because if Cutler is protected he would hit those guys downfield.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 27, 2011, 12:57:17 pm

I like Knox and was upset as everyone else when he dropped that 20 yarder.  Aside from that drop he had a pretty good day with 4 catches for 84 yards.

I wasn't really crazy about the Roy Williams signing but we need to give the guy a chance.  Now that he's over the groin he needs to get some reps in with Jay and we'll see how that goes.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 27, 2011, 01:06:01 pm
I thought that the lack of an offseason and a full training camp wouldn't hurt the Bears offense that much since they were coming back with the same OC, the same system, the same QB and most of the same receivers.

Clearly I was wrong.  The offense looked OK against a Falcons team we caught napping, but they've been completely out of sync ever since.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 27, 2011, 01:56:40 pm

True, but Webb was moved to LT from RT.  Garza was the RG and now he's the center.   Lance Louis played RG last season for about 3 games and his replacement at RG for the last couple games was the center...for the Seahawks.  And Carimi was in college....playing on the other side.  Omiyale played 14 or 15 games as the LT now he's been subbing at RT.

And our 2 TEs that took most the snaps last season are gone...

But aside from that everything else is about the same on offense...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 27, 2011, 02:03:53 pm
Folks hating on the receivers I don't understand.

Oh I do. I understand well. If the Bears roster had 10 more receivers on it and 10 less defensive lineman on it the offensive production would still be the same. The receiver quality is crap. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 27, 2011, 03:04:11 pm
Good...  discussion about our incompetent front office is finally going nationwide:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/27/jerry-angelo-taking-increased-heat-in-chicago/

After two and a half years of articles bashing Cutler it's nice to finally see some of the heat being directed where it really belongs.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on September 27, 2011, 03:16:12 pm
I agree that anjello shares alot of the blame, but some of it is institutional. The bears as an organization don't seem to move on current NFL conditions. This has been a passing league for a long time and as an organization seem to downgrade QB playmakers.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 27, 2011, 03:26:15 pm
I agree that anjello shares alot of the blame, but some of it is institutional. The bears as an organization don't seem to move on current NFL conditions.

On this we can both agree.  Both Lovie's D and Martz' O are at least 10 years behind the times and that's why they're so easy to counter.  The Bears can never seem to get caught up to the rest of the league.  With the tradition of that franchise and the ridiculous amount of money it pulls in, the Bears should be a pace-setting NFL franchise in every respect...  front office, coaching, talent, playing facilities, etc..  Instead, they're constantly behind the curve on all those fronts.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 27, 2011, 03:30:01 pm
I think Martz's O can still excel in this league, it just needs either a really good OL to buy time or some really good WR's who can get open quick.

In Stl, he had both.

We have neither.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 27, 2011, 03:34:53 pm
I think Martz's O can still excel in this league, it just needs either a really good OL to buy time or some really good WR's who can get open quick.

In Stl, he had both.

We have neither.

That's why Martz and his system have to go.  It would take a couple of weeks to fire Martz, promote Tice to OC and install a bare-bones WCO that would play to Cutler's strengths, minimize the liabilities of our bad OL and WRs and greatly reduce the number of negative plays (penalites, sacks, etc.) that are making 3-and-outs a far too frequent occurrence. OTOH it will take a couple of YEARS to bring in the talent necessary to execute Martz' offense, and if Angelo/Ruskell stay in charge it may never happen. 

We don't have that kind of time and neither does Cutler.  The Mike Martz comeback experiment has been a profound failure; it's time to admit that, cut our losses and move on.  It's a no-brainer what has to happen here.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on September 27, 2011, 04:37:09 pm
Lovie ain't gonna axe his buddy. There may be floating around an agreement for Martz to "resign" if it gets real ugly, but Cutler will be dead by then.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 27, 2011, 04:54:12 pm
Lovie ain't gonna axe his buddy. There may be floating around an agreement for Martz to "resign" if it gets real ugly, but Cutler will be dead by then.

If we go into the bye week 1-6 and playing as poorly as we have the last two weeks, I wouldn't object to not only Martz being fired, but the entire coaching staff and Angelo as well.  Treat the rest of 2011 as an extended preseason and try to lay a foundation to start rebuilding on next year.

That won't happen of course, but in that worse case scenario there should definitely be a bunch of people being put on notice by then if not sooner.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 27, 2011, 06:22:38 pm
Glad to see the media saying the same things about Angelo I've been on him about. Those two simple items...improving the Oline and getting quality wideouts,would make a vastly different team than what we've been seeing this year. It's hard to blame the defense when like this last game they were out there 3/4ths of the friggin game! Time of possession was absurdly skewed....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 28, 2011, 09:37:37 am
If we go into the bye week 1-6 and playing as poorly as we have the last two weeks, I wouldn't object to not only Martz being fired, but the entire coaching staff and Angelo as well.  Treat the rest of 2011 as an extended preseason and try to lay a foundation to start rebuilding on next year.

That won't happen of course, but in that worse case scenario there should definitely be a bunch of people being put on notice by then if not sooner.

Or they could do like they did in Dallas last year and fire the head coach in mid season and keep most the staff intact. 

The offensive coordinator took over the team.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 28, 2011, 09:44:10 am
Or they could do like they did in Dallas last year and fire the head coach in mid season and keep most the staff intact. 

The offensive coordinator took over the team.

Yeah the problem is, even though Lovie is a dolt, the biggest problem at present is Mike Martz.

If they were to fire just Lovie and Martz, and promote Tice to interim HC... that I could get behind.  But then Tice would also probably have to take over as OC and that would be a hell of a lot to put on his plate and the OL would probably suffer from lack of attention.

Or, fire Lovie at the bye week, hire Cowher and let him decide which of our current staff stays and goes (i.e., seeya Martz). I bet Cowher could pull a staff together in about 3 days. In fact he probably has a short list already ready to go.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 28, 2011, 11:26:10 am
Yeah the problem is, even though Lovie is a dolt, the biggest problem at present is Mike Martz.

If they were to fire just Lovie and Martz, and promote Tice to interim HC... that I could get behind.  But then Tice would also probably have to take over as OC and that would be a hell of a lot to put on his plate and the OL would probably suffer from lack of attention.

Or, fire Lovie at the bye week, hire Cowher and let him decide which of our current staff stays and goes (i.e., seeya Martz). I bet Cowher could pull a staff together in about 3 days. In fact he probably has a short list already ready to go.

 The McCaskys have this weird dynamic about buying into somthing and sticking with it.

 To the loss of the team overall.

 BUT ... theres that 11-5 last year ... they aint movin for shiiiit and you know it 3 games into the season.

 The McCaskys see this as an improvement. And they could be right. 13 more games to go.

 Remember that last year we went into it big time and then swallowed worm cum.

 After the bye we revamped and suddenley we were on the charts as a contender ...

 the result was an NFC championship game.

 Now I'm thinking this is the same game plan this year (or at least I hope)
 
 We have an easy schedule at home coming up Caro ...problem is : @ Deeeetroit

 and then Minnie and Tampa at home before the bye.

 Caro

 @ Deeeetroit

 Minnie

 Tampa

 Bye

 Four games to get our shiiiit wired. We need to build confidence in our abilitys.

 We need an OL to gel ... we need WR's to step up ... we need to win.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 28, 2011, 12:42:36 pm
I predict after Sunday we will be 0-2 against Bear players we cut loose this offseason.

The Panthers are much better than I thought they'd be this season (or at least, this early in the season)...  and the Bears are quite a bit worse.

And I can double-damn guarantee that Chico and his staff are working harder this week to get the win than Lovie and his crew are.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on September 28, 2011, 01:40:01 pm
There's no way in hell the Panthers win this weekend.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 28, 2011, 01:44:30 pm
There's no way in hell the Panthers win this weekend.

Did you watch the Bears last weekend? 

Our offense is dead in the water. Can't run, can't pass, a penalty (or a timeout) every 3rd or 4th play. It's an offense with below-average players at multiple positions, and an OC with no apparent clue how to scheme around that lack of talent.

If our D spots the Panthers 10 points it's game over.

I'm not saying the Bears are guaranteed to lose, but after the last two games it seems foolish to guarantee a win, either.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 28, 2011, 03:18:28 pm
Did you watch the Bears last weekend? 

Our offense is dead in the water. Can't run, can't pass, a penalty (or a timeout) every 3rd or 4th play. It's an offense with below-average players at multiple positions, and an OC with no apparent clue how to scheme around that lack of talent.

If our D spots the Panthers 10 points it's game over.

I'm not saying the Bears are guaranteed to lose, but after the last two games it seems foolish to guarantee a win, either.

 Cutler said the Martz thing was not working.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on September 28, 2011, 04:25:19 pm
Big difference in the opposition...huge difference...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 28, 2011, 06:11:08 pm
Much better coaching though and a greater desire to win.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 28, 2011, 08:18:38 pm
  1-2

 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 28, 2011, 09:38:13 pm
Could be 1-3 Sunday
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on September 28, 2011, 10:45:08 pm
Things don't look particularly good.  But remember after the Redskins game last year?  What would you have said to someone who told you the Bears were on their way to the NFC Championship game?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 28, 2011, 11:01:15 pm
If the Bears lose to the Panthers I will start to panic.  Right now I am just ticked they aren't better then I had hoped they would be at this point.   The season is not lost but if they lose Sunday it starts looking grim.  If they beat the Panthers and the Lions then  they are sitting at 3-2 with a much easier schedule coming up things won't look so bad.

One game at a time.

Lovie likes the players we have and they will look at the film and go from there...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on September 29, 2011, 01:10:47 am
There's no way in hell the Panthers win this weekend.

For once I can actually agree with you.  Don't know what has crawled into yapper but I can't see the Panthers beating the Bears either in Soldier.   And to compare the Panthers to the Slackers is kinda comical.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 29, 2011, 02:19:57 am
The problem with this team is a good team can really expose its many weaknesses. When a mediocre team comes to town,you gotta wonder....did they watch film on the Saints and Pack? Until the Bears can shore up their gaping holes, you really cannot know if they'll do good or disintegrate. They aren't far from either.....who shows up Sunday.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 29, 2011, 08:01:01 am
Stop us from running the ball (easily done).

Force us to rely on our WRs to make plays (they won't).

That's all it takes to shut down our offense. Even teams with average defensive talent and a reasonably competent DC should be able to do that.

And that's even before we start beating ourselves with penalites, etc. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 29, 2011, 08:29:52 am
it is kind of like when I played back yard ball, even though I was the "fat kid", I could cover the smaller faster receivers because I was pretty fast for a fat kid but I would shove them around to start with enough that they couldn't get any separation.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 29, 2011, 09:44:45 am

The prelim injury report is looking better, unfortunately Bennett doesn't appear ready to go.  But safeties Chris Harris and Major Wright should return.  And I don't recall even seeing Lance Louis on it. 

Big game Sunday...but you could say that every week.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 29, 2011, 09:53:09 am
I think I read where Lance Louis and Chris Spencer were splitting time at RG in practice this week.

But there has also been talk that Lance Louis could be moved out to RT as a stopgap till Carimi comes back.

In either event it sounds like the odds of him being back on the field are pretty good.

Bennett continuing to be out would be bad news.  There is zero leadership in the WR corps without him on the field and likely to be very little production, either. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on September 29, 2011, 10:04:09 am
I dont think I like the sound of Louis at RT. Sounds sieve-like
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 29, 2011, 10:13:06 am

I'd be really surprised if they put Louis in at RT.  Omiyale had a rough time at New Orleans but his pass blocking was pretty solid against the Pack when he for the most part had to block Matthews one on one during the game.  He's just got to concentrate more on the snap counts.  Omiyale will have his hands full with Greg Hardy this weekend but I'm more concerned about the Webb/Charles Johnson matchup, but I'm confident in Webb.

The difference between Bennett and the speed guys is dependability.  Hester, Knox and Williams can make a really nice play then follow it up with a really bad one.  We need more consistency from the wideout position.  The problem is its so hard to evaluate that position from our view at home.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on September 29, 2011, 10:21:16 am
Omiyale was hardly one on one with Matthews. The bears basically stayed in max protect the whole game. They kept a TE or RB in to help on almost all passing plays.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 29, 2011, 10:33:17 am
Lance Louis is very small for an OT (6'3 320) and especially at RT where the norm today is more like 6'6 330 or even bigger. 

The only reason I could see the staff wanting him to play at RT vs. Omiyale is if they think that will give us more push in the run game. With regard to pass protection I think it's really about a horse apiece between those two.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on September 29, 2011, 02:16:10 pm

Surprisingly, when the Bears did max protect they often did not help out Omiyale.   I'm not saying Omiyale didn't get an occassional assist on Matthews, but considerng the number of times Cutler went back to pass Omiyale was by his lonesome, I dunno, maybe 90% of the time. 

Matthews got a few pressures but was held sackless.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 29, 2011, 02:18:23 pm
Yeah the closest I remember Matthews getting to Cutler was to hit his arm on one throw.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 29, 2011, 06:27:53 pm
It ranckle my ass that at 1-2 with Caro at home we act like this game could be lost.

We have to win this game or otherwise the season slips away.

Cam Newton is a rookie QB who came back to Earth against the Jags with 158 yds. passing going 18/34.

His only TD pass was to : GREG OLSEN !

This is simple ball control ... keep it out of Newtons hands.

Who can do that ? Lets platoon the fleet ... Forte ... Bell ... and if ready to go Barber.

This should be a game where Cutler is a non factor on the field.

Jonathan Stewart rushed for 59 yds. Newton was the second leading rusher with 27 yds.

What are the Jaguars Defense telling us here?

And I know about the whole Ron Rivera gets revenge issue ... but NOT against us.  :D  ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 29, 2011, 07:45:00 pm
Did I actually see a guard try to pull and block a blitzing Matthews a time or two on passing downs? Is that seriously this teams idea of pass blocking,have incompetent players moving in complicated pass blocking schemes that require pro bowl talent to work?? Is this truly how stupid these people are?? I think half if not more of this teams problem is they've designed a scheme for talented players that are being run by less than talented players. Like expecting a Yugo to compete in Formula One. You need TALENT,you bozo's!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 29, 2011, 07:48:43 pm
No that was a running play.  Williams was the pulling guard but he could not get there.  Matthews was practically taking the hand off.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on September 29, 2011, 08:11:46 pm
That's a great point.  The stuff might work if you had the horses, but you don't!  Figure out some things our guys can do...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 29, 2011, 08:19:50 pm
It worked great against the Falcons who play a 4-3.  Did not work against the faster smaller guys in a 3-4.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 29, 2011, 08:54:29 pm
 OUR HOUSE ....

 In the middle of Meryl Streep ...

 OUR HOUSE ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHYa9itNe20 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHYa9itNe20)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on September 29, 2011, 09:05:17 pm

 Youd have to be stone fuuuuuckingly BRAIN DEAD,

 to think that CARO is going to walk with a VICTORY

 against us.

 **** that shiiit ... this is where we turn up the VOLUME at.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on September 29, 2011, 10:16:33 pm
This was a different play Peke. I remember the one where he nearly took the handoff. Forte got the ball and was able to make something of the play,miraculously. The one I'm referring to was a pass play. Cutler had to throw it alot quicker than he anticipated because Matthews was on his hip. They even showed the play and how the pulling guard was no where near fast enough to block Matthews.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on September 29, 2011, 10:46:45 pm
Sorry I must have missed that one.  I have seen our O-line block in and leave a guy go lined up right across from them.  So I find it hard to believe we pulled a guard pass blocking unless the guard thought it was a run play.  If that is the case they have tons of work to do.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on September 30, 2011, 08:12:18 am
It worked great against the Falcons who play a 4-3.  Did not work against the faster smaller guys in a 3-4.

Martz has yet to show me his offense can do anything against a 3-4. This goes back to last year already.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on September 30, 2011, 09:07:29 am
Sporty, I don't remember that play but I expect it was some kind of stunt and Williams had no one in front of him and saw Matthews coming around and just tried to pick him up.
Not sure of any pass protection where you have a guard pull except maybe on some kind of screen.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 01, 2011, 12:31:52 am
20-13 Bears
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 01, 2011, 01:56:41 am

 The word is we have Barber for the first time ready to go.

 OUR HOUSE ...

 Caro is 25th against the run.

 Chicago is 18th against the pass.

 Ball control ... you turn it loose if Barber is the real deal.

 Forte ... Bell ... Barber.

 Running game means only one thing ... Newton is riding the pine.

 Beat them at the run ... Newton is a non factor ...

 SO IS CUTLER ...

 who takes the day off.  ;D

 Think about it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 12:08:09 pm
Same old sorry ass defense!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 12:16:02 pm
Jesus, this is horrible.   ITS NOT WORKING!!!!!! FIX IT!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 02, 2011, 12:17:48 pm
Nice run by Forte.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 02, 2011, 12:20:07 pm
Bears D is ranked 25th for a reason. I'm sick of the bend don't break..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 12:21:57 pm
run. good.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 02, 2011, 12:22:12 pm
No red zone O
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 12:23:01 pm
At least the offense showed up.  Too bad they couldn't of gotten 7 though.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 12:26:37 pm
Panthers backed up inside the 10.  I expect them to go for 7 right here.  That is typically what ends up happening when our D gets an offense pinned back like this.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 12:28:28 pm
Spencer out. great
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 02, 2011, 12:28:58 pm
Yes!! D tD
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 12:29:12 pm
WOOT! 

TD BEARS!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 12:29:30 pm
td!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 12:30:44 pm
Lance Louis is not hurt anymore so hopefully he can slide in at right guard and we won't have any drop off.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 12:37:05 pm
WTF?

Pitch and catch.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 02, 2011, 12:37:54 pm
Way to go D, give up the big play.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 12:38:07 pm
Chris Harris can't get healthy soon enough.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 12:39:00 pm
nobody in the tv screen shot except Smith. Fantastically bad.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 12:46:27 pm
Nice return by Hester and a Forte TD!

Nice.

Now if only our D didn't suck balls!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 12:52:21 pm
HESTER TD!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 12:53:34 pm
24-10

Hester makes it look easy!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 12:57:40 pm
led with helmet. that'll cost
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 01:04:16 pm
Our defense is terrible.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on October 02, 2011, 01:08:26 pm
It's almost halftime and Cutler's thrown 1 pass?

This is the strangest game I think I've ever seen.

Make that 2 passes now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on October 02, 2011, 01:11:53 pm
And pass attempt 3 results in a sack.

That O-Line is something.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 01:12:29 pm
Our defense will give up a TD here.

It will be tied at the half.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 01:13:19 pm
Omiyale is terrible.

We need Carimi healthy and playing.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on October 02, 2011, 01:20:05 pm
Bears' passrush against New Orleans was obviously a tease.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 02, 2011, 01:22:42 pm
A rookie QB giving this D all it can handle..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 01:24:31 pm
Bears are going to lose this game unless the defense gets it's head out of it's ass at halftime.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on October 02, 2011, 01:24:43 pm
Bears leading at the half.

Why it doesn't feel that way:

Bears being doubled in first downs, out-gained by 160 yards and beaten in time of possession by 8-1/2 minutes.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 01:33:28 pm
the bear rung up for 20......in a half.  lord have mercy thats bad. peke may be right. ack.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 02, 2011, 01:42:32 pm
X 3
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 01:47:33 pm
getting all tore up.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on October 02, 2011, 01:48:10 pm
The defense is lost today. This is just a bad team.

Going to win 4-5 games this season. Maybe that will be the end of Angelo.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 01:48:56 pm
bad to worse.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on October 02, 2011, 01:52:03 pm
Getting tore up by a bad team with a rookie QB. If the Cubs season wasn't bad enough.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on October 02, 2011, 01:56:23 pm
Tillman blocks thr FG. Maybe that will fire them up. Nothing else has.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 01:56:44 pm
Our defense is god awful!

Was the crowd chanting, "Lovie Sucks!"?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 01:56:57 pm
at home. nice block on the fg though
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on October 02, 2011, 02:04:49 pm
Hester hurt or at least shaken up, Cutler stinks, the run game is gone, the defense blows.

The cowd was either channting Lovie sucks or Vikings sucks. Not sure.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 02:07:23 pm
Our defense is losing this game.  They need to step up here.

If they let the Panthers take the lead the Bears lose.

And here they go again.

This defense is so **** bad!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 02, 2011, 02:08:31 pm
Smith (Carolina) tearing us up once again!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 02:09:43 pm
team and the year is going in the crapper. last year was a sham.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 02:12:09 pm
What has Cutler done wrong?

The O-line sucks and the defense sucks across the board.

The ST's have been awesome.

I can not believe the O-line is allowing this kind of pressure on Cutler when they have been running the ball so well.

This team is just plain bad.  The defense in particular.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on October 02, 2011, 02:17:07 pm
The defense is bad. It's been bad since the 4th quarter in week one.

It's a bad team going downhill no matter the outcome of this game.

Please get Cutler out of Chicago. This guy sucks.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: JBN on October 02, 2011, 02:18:38 pm
Cutler's INT may be the game winner for Carolina.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 02:21:54 pm
OK JBN that throw sucked but until then he was doing fine.

Defense actually held.  The O for once this half will have ok field position.  They need to score 7 right here or the bears lose imo.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 02:21:57 pm
got lucky, thank god. now get some damn points!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on October 02, 2011, 02:22:31 pm
Bears have been out-gained by 240 yards. It's not like they deserve to win anyway.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 02:40:13 pm
The Bears D scored a TD and there was a punt return for a TD.  Those will skew the numbers a bit in Carolina's favor for their offense.

I personally would have went for it.  The Bears D has not stopped this offense all day.

Here we go this is the ball game right here.  If the Bears have to keep them from scoring this drive. 

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 02:48:54 pm
bears have a great chance to lose this game. real easy.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 02, 2011, 02:49:02 pm
bears have a great chance to lose this game. real easy.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 02, 2011, 03:01:20 pm
X 2
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 02, 2011, 03:18:35 pm
Well a wins a win.  However I believe we are in trouble barring any significant improvements.  I like the Clutts kid at FB, he has been an improvement.  So far R. Williams pretty invisible.  M. Barbar healthy enough to do backflips but not to play last week...interesting.

D is looking very mediocre.  Can't stop the run and cannot rush the passer with just Dline....not a good combo.  At least they had a TO for TD.  I do think when Harris comes back it will be helpful.  We need one of the Dlineman to step up.  Where has Peppers been??  Although in his defense the officials don't call holding near enough.

I think we lose next week vs. Detriot. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 03:19:33 pm
Good win!

The D finally stepped up but they have to improve a ton.  The D is the achille's heal of this team.  They have all the money they need to play like it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 02, 2011, 03:38:18 pm
I said it before, the D is ranked 25th for a reason..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 03:56:04 pm
How can a defense be this bad when they get the majority of the: draft used on them, money on them and free agency used on them.

This defense is really bad.  Meriweather is a big hitter but a liability on pass defense.  The Bears need Chris Harris back badly and he isn't THAT good.  The other guys are just THAT bad.

The run defense sucks and the pass defense sucks.  They do not get sacks.  What exactly is this defense good at?  Nothing that I can see.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 02, 2011, 04:32:27 pm
I see everybody is sarisfied with the win. I cant believe we actually won. I can hear Lovie now. Well we played one quarter and came out 2-2. I dont see anything positive about the first quarter of the season.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 04:49:02 pm
Unless there are drastic improvements on both sides of the ball the Bears will not make the play offs this year.

The Packers and Lions will be 4-0 the Bears 2-2.  I see the Bears ending up 9-7 and missing the play offs.

It will be good enough that no one gets fired.

Angello will waste more draft picks on a bad defensive scheme and not address the O-line yet again...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 02, 2011, 07:07:16 pm
I said start of the season, will we have some consistency. We have one good season with 2 bad following. It's early, so guess we'll see what happens. If we can win next week would be huge..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 07:20:59 pm
I hate to say it but I doubt the Bears win next week.  Oh sure they could win but they have been so inconsistent I just don't see them doing it against a good team on the road that will not give up even if they fall behind by a ton.  The Bears have a way of making even mediocre teams look better then they are.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 02, 2011, 09:53:30 pm
Unless there are drastic improvements on both sides of the ball the Bears will not make the play offs this year.

How are you going to make drastic improvements? That would take personnel changes that arent going to happen.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 02, 2011, 10:16:25 pm
Watching Jets - Ravens. Ravens killing them. Nice to see another team with a horrid offensive line. Jets line is terrible! They're letting guys go free through the line just like our's have. Saw one play where the right guard takes off straight ahead while the defender coming in to his left is left totally alone untouched straight to the QB. He looked like one of those vibrating football players. Arms up like he's blocking something in front of him which there wasn't anyone he was blocking. It was crazy. Remember a play like this from one of our lineman last season. He was out alone blocking nothing but doing it with all his heart! Blocking ghosts I guess....crazy....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 10:22:24 pm
I know I may be in the minority but I believe the Bears have plenty of talent.  The problem is they have been under performing. 

I have seen tons of mental mistakes.  On defense guys are not staying in their gaps and are not taking care of their responsibilitys.  Our safety play has been horrendous after the Falcons game. 

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 10:23:07 pm
When I say talent I mean on defense.  On offense they are lacking talent on the O-line and WR positions. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 02, 2011, 10:26:47 pm
Looked to me that they were lacking talent in every facet except ST.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 02, 2011, 11:01:04 pm
They made plays at the end to win it.  The all out blitzes worked.  They did not get Newton down but they hurried his throws and he was no longer accurate.

On defense they are not staying in their gaps and seem to be getting out coached.  Plus the safety play has been terrible.

I have noticed that more often then not when the Bears send a corner blitz the other teams seem to have a play going the other direction.  They have been killed on it multiple times so far this year in every game except against Atlanta because they didn't ned to blitz.

Where did the pass rush go?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davep on October 02, 2011, 11:22:51 pm
9 - 7 is probably a good estimate of the ability of this year's Bears.  A good team, but not a top team, able to hold their own while playing a very tough schedule.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 02, 2011, 11:27:21 pm
Defensive ends gave great effort but just couldn't get to Newton.  When they did get to Newton they'd only get a hand on him and he'd stand there and deliver the ball anyway or escape the pocket.

DTs had a few pressures, mostly Okoye.  On running downs they were dominated.

Our DBs continue to give up too much cushion and are consistently late to the ball.  Tillman had a tough day tackling.  Briggs was outstanding.

We really do miss Chris Harris.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 02, 2011, 11:36:36 pm

Cutler is still playing like he's gun shy.  The pass he missed to Sanzenbacher on 3rd down was inexcusable.

He throws off his back foot too often when he doesn't have to. 

Roy Williams had that first catch and then disappeared in the passing game.  Where was Hester?  Where was Kellen Davis?

Omiyale was totally overmatched when Charles Johnson swapped sides.  He was getting beat with both speed and power rushes.  Louis was only marginally better.

They say Carimi will return in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 03, 2011, 04:30:10 am
Any time you give up over 500 yards to an O, you have problems on D. Our D scheme is to not give up the big play and wait for the O to make a mistake. Well, I see the O using the same theory against our D. Keep hitting the short passes and wait for the D to make a mistake, and it's working..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on October 03, 2011, 04:56:04 am
After the first series of long runs for Hall and Stewart - Bears shut that down pretty well
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 03, 2011, 05:16:23 am
Hester is effectively a non-factor at wideout. Think it's time to make some tough decisions regarding him. He should be relegated to strictly punt/ko duty and maybe spot duty at wideout. He just isn't effective at all at wideout. We need Bennett back badly and they really SHOULD be checking every wire available for a decent wideout- Moss anyone? We need more help badly.... Angelo's horrific drafts have decimated this team....someone tell me how he's keeping his job again?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 03, 2011, 06:15:18 am
I think most of all we miss having a good team
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 03, 2011, 08:23:54 am
Yes- that's it in a nutshell. We're all expecting to go to Detroit and see the Bears get splattered. By the Lions for God's sake. The Lions.  Right now by far the best wr on the Chicago Bears is an undersized undrafted rookie. If that doesn't make the vomit move up the airway I don't know what does. The Jer and his butt buddy remind me so much of Frank Burns and hotlips. They go through the motions, get the money think they are great, and haven't a clue.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 03, 2011, 08:26:44 am
Good analogy 46
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 03, 2011, 08:57:25 am
Its an idictment of the Bears as a whole- they can beat the bad teams, but when faced with a good team, they fail more than succeed.

This is why I think Lovie & Co are average at best (Actually, I think Lovie brings up the average since the Ruskangelo marriage actually brings the average down, but they net out at 0).

Either way- this team is one of those that its record really shows what it is 2-2 and a .500 team (at best).

Another year of Cutler down the tubes, and the D is just getting older.....

Thank god Toub is the ST coach. At least he's competent consistently.......
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 03, 2011, 09:10:22 am

Defensively, we've had much the same personnel as we did last year.   What's different?

We know Chris Harris hasn't played the last 3 games.  Could we also be missing Daniel Manning?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 03, 2011, 09:12:57 am
Offense - B which averages Forte's A+ effort and a C for a barely competent pass offense. WRs made some plays but also had costly drops. Cutler, although asked to do very little, played poorly and his wild throws and INT could have cost us the game.  Pass protection was godawful and I'm going to go on record now that Omiyale needs to be benched even if it means pulling Levi Horn up from the practice sqaud.

Defense - D for disgusting, and would be an E for embarrassing if that grade existed. Zero pass rush, sloppy tackling and huge holes in the secondary all day. The late TD allowed to Olsen was inexcusable (even if you weren't betting the spread).  We had no answers for Cam Newton or Steve Smith all day. 

STs - A. If not for the returns and the FG block we would have been in deep trouble. This unit saved our bacon yesterday.

Coaching - D. A patented Lovie too-close-for-comfort win against a team that is dramatically improved from last year but still no better than middle of the pack.

Bottom line, the Bears continue to misfire on too many cylinders, week after week.  Yesterday's win kept us from losing total control of the season, but there's nothing I saw out there yesterday that makes me believe we have a prayer at the playoffs this year.

Oh yeah and Calvin Johnson is going to single handedly destroy our D next week.  Our only chance is to contain the rest of their offense and hope our own O can keep up.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 03, 2011, 09:41:08 am
Instead of the Bears going for the juggler against the Lions expect to see a prevent defense/bend but dont break defense if the Bears get a lead like Dallas had yesterday
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 03, 2011, 09:43:05 am
I don't think we'll have to worry about playing with the lead against the Lions.

I think we're in for a very bad night on MNF. Cutler sucks in primetime and he's not even one of our our bigger problems right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 03, 2011, 09:52:23 am
I thought Peppers might have a big game, but he really didnt do anything at all.

And Major Wright, I mean Major Wrong, was horrid yesterday.  I wish I kept track of how many times he was diving thru the air horizontally at a ball carrier, who he not only didnt stop, but didnt even slow down.  Someone tell him, dude stay on your feet. 

I also thought the D came out very lethargic and sleepy to start the game.  Wish I could have heard the pregame pep talk, for the next time I have insomnia.  We are going to get totally torched next week by the Lioins.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 03, 2011, 09:56:04 am
Lions 31 Bears 16.

Megatron gets 3 TDs and the 4th Lions TD is a Cutler pick-6.  Cutler will be sacked 5-6 times (and hit several more), and Forte will be held under 80 yards rushing. Bears don't get their TD till the 4th quarter.

As for Major Wright...  I just don't get it.  I saw him play lights-out as a college sophomore and he was the total package... speed, hitting, making plays on the ball. I thought at that time he'd be an NFL Pro Bowler. Clearly he has regressed...  even from his college days.  Don't know if he's getting bad coaching or if he's just not that good. Maybe both.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on October 03, 2011, 10:00:46 am
Bears put the fear in Smith and the other WR with some punishing HITS...

Maybe that's why Olsen caught the last TD
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 03, 2011, 10:08:37 am
That Olsen TD made me sick. Nobody within 5 yards of him, a total give-up by the D.  Plus you gotta know if he were still wearing a Bears uni he would have dropped that one.

Apparently Omilaye was benched yesterday in the 2nd half. Tribune says Spencer came back from his injury to play LG, and Lance Louis moved out to RT. 

So the running joke that is our OL continues, and all for the simple reason that we don't have enough good O-Linemen. Omiyale is a really really expensive Angelo mistake and I've got to think his ex-teammates on the Panthers were laughing their azzes off watching him get beat like a rented mule yesterday. 

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 03, 2011, 10:12:07 am
I sort of dont blame Cutler for being so gun shy yesterday.  With such crappy protection, he is probably scared to death he is going to get murdered, which eventually he will.  Frank OMG can sit and never return.  Lets move everyone else up. Come on Tice, dont let Angelo tell you who to play.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 03, 2011, 11:22:50 am

Omiyale's perfomance was very disappointing Sunday.  Not sure that Lance Louis at RT is the short term answer either.  Lions will move Van Den Bosch to LDE to expose this matchup.  And Suh will also demand a double team and the guy he faces now has a broken hand.

Calvin Johnson has 8 of the Lions' 11 TDs.  Its a good bet that Tillman gets him the whole day. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on October 03, 2011, 11:44:49 am
There's the Packers and Saints, Lions in the NFC and then there's everyone else.

The Lions OL may be expose at some point, we'll see.

One heck of a lot of "good" defenses are getting lit up this year
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 03, 2011, 11:45:24 am
Yapper:

I got to give you mucho props for your worries before the game yesterday because your concerns were dead on yesterday.  The team looked like a Dave Bummstedt coached team on both sides of the ball.

If not for Hester's return, the INT return for a TD, 2 missed FG's by the Panthers, a bad call on Shockey's TD catch, and Forte's great running performance the Panthers would've won the game handily.   No passing game at all by the Bears along with the defense looking rather slow and unprepared like they have the last 3 games isn't a good sign going forward this season.  I have to start pointing my finger at Tice because the O-line is regressing instead of improving in protecting Cutler.   Martz didn't utilize the TE's at all yesterday.  Hell where's Roy Williams, our feature WR?

The team doesn't look good at all.  The only positive for me is that we do have the Lions next week.  They should be 2-2 themselves if the Vikes & Cowboys didn't gift wrap victories for them.

If the Bears can come correct next week I can see them beating the Lions.  But I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 03, 2011, 11:45:36 am
Omiyale's perfomance was very disappointing Sunday.  Not sure that Lance Louis at RT is the short term answer either.  Lions will move Van Den Bosch to LDE to expose this matchup.  And Suh will also demand a double team and the guy he faces now has a broken hand.

On top of all this, factor in the possiblity of Nick Fairley being on the field next to Suh for the first time this season and you can see why a lot of Bears fans have bad feelings about what might happen a week from tonight.

The Lions would like nothing more than to demonstrate a changing of the guard in the NFC North on national primetime TV...  and it appears they finally have the talent on both sides of the ball to do just that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 03, 2011, 11:56:32 am
"Calvin Johnson has 8 of the Lions' 11 TDs.  Its a good bet that Tillman gets him the whole day. "

Yeah I dont doubt that, but I dont think Tillman can cover CJ.  It is going to be a very long game I think. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 03, 2011, 11:56:49 am
"Calvin Johnson has 8 of the Lions' 11 TDs.  Its a good bet that Tillman gets him the whole day. "

Yeah I dont doubt that, but I dont think Tillman can cover CJ.  It is going to be a very long game I think. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on October 03, 2011, 11:58:36 am
Megatron was a little bit dinged up at the end of the game yesterday...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on October 03, 2011, 12:06:16 pm
Given the Bears history of looking horrible on Monday nights this could get very ugly
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 03, 2011, 12:12:22 pm
I think we're in for a very bad night on MNF. Cutler sucks in primetime and he's not even one of our our bigger problems right now.

Well if my memory is sound I can recall us going 3-0 on MNF last season (GB, MIA, MINNY).  So I don't buy the MNF excuse.  I honestly thought the Bears would get better playing the Panthers yesterday and take that momentum into next week but I have to admit I have doubts now.

But like I said the Lions should be 2-2 themselves so I think there's hope for next Monday night.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 03, 2011, 12:15:52 pm
How funny would it be if the Lions let down and look past the Bears? 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 03, 2011, 12:30:23 pm
Somehow, unlike last year, I don't think there will be any debating any of the touchdowns (plural) that Megatron scores on us next Monday night.

He looks like he's on a mission and he's finally figured out how to dominate with that 6'5 frame which is a scary thought for the rest of the teams on their schedule this year.  The Packers are the only team in the league with the size and talent to match up with him in the D-Backfield and I'm not so sure even they will be able to shut him down.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on October 03, 2011, 12:43:03 pm
I bet Stafford isn't looking forward to (or past) this contest against the Defense that shortened his career on more than one occasion
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 03, 2011, 01:52:34 pm
I would say that would be our only chance, Stafford gets hurt and goes out.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 03, 2011, 03:06:23 pm
I bet Stafford isn't looking forward to (or past) this contest against the Defense that shortened his career on more than one occasion

I dunno...  if our DL can't bring anything more to the party than they did yesterday, Stafford doesn't have much to worry about.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 03, 2011, 03:36:43 pm
Cam Newton's strength, height, quickness and overrall athletic ability enabled him to avoid getting sacked numerous times, although he did get rushed into some bad throws.  And Carolina's line is pretty solid too with tackles Jordan Gross and Jeff Otah and Kalil their center is a recent pro bowler. 

Stafford is a better QB but isn't nearly the physical speciman that Newton is.  I think the Bears will be able to put some pressure on him Monday night.

As for the Lions, yeah, they and the Packers are the Super Bowl co-champs of September.  Bears need to keep improving, get wins and keeping folks of the IR list.

Things can change by the end of the season.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 03, 2011, 03:41:55 pm
I saw a few times yesterday one of our guys would get a hand on him but couldn't bring him down.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 03, 2011, 03:45:59 pm
Peppers was getting held a lot, as he always does.

I've determined that most refs have just decided they can't throw a flag every time Peppers is held or else the games would never end.  So they just choose not to call holding at all.  Sad, but that seems to be the way it is.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 03, 2011, 04:54:26 pm
Yapper that is the truth.  He is held almost every single play.  Sometimes it is so blatantly obvious I don't know how the refs don't throw the flag. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on October 03, 2011, 06:11:43 pm
Peppers takes plays off...zero pressure in how many passing plays???

Yea...he was held everytime.

Hail the Pack!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 03, 2011, 06:45:27 pm
Calvin Johnson has 8 of the Lions' 11 TDs.  Its a good bet that Tillman gets him the whole day.

I look for Calvin Johnson to have at least 3 TDs Sunday in Detoilet.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 03, 2011, 06:51:09 pm
The only positive for me is that we do have the Lions next week.

I dont see anything positive in playing the Lions next Sunday. The Bears are going to get their butts beat. It'll be payback time for the way the Bears beat them last year in Soldier. I dont expect it to be pretty either
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on October 03, 2011, 06:54:28 pm
It could be really bad.  The Bears cannot come back from a 10 point deficit, and that could be at the 10:00 mark of the first quarter.  I'm expecting a historical ass whipping
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on October 03, 2011, 06:56:22 pm
NFLN record;  11wins and 5 losses.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 03, 2011, 11:26:55 pm

 Newton is a phenom and we beat him.

 Stafford can be be get to and we done that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 04, 2011, 12:19:35 am
27-23 Bears
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 04, 2011, 06:22:24 am
This is the one match up with Backus that Peppers always seems to do well.  I think our ends will bring pressure this time, it will be a close game, I like the score that Phill has posted also.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 04, 2011, 06:34:42 am
If Johnson gets his 3 TDs, Id say the score will be higher than 27-23 unless its the Bears with the 23
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 04, 2011, 08:47:42 am
I think Megatron will get 3 TDs and their D will pick off Cutler for another score.  Combine that with at least one Hanson FG and you've got the Lions scoring no less than 31 right there.  Our D was atrocious against the Panthers and the Lions have even more talent per man than Carolina does.

I think the Bears will be challenged to even get one TD, at least from our offense. Especially if Fairley and Suh are both playing on the DL our offense is going nowhere against them.

As for Peppers, it's time for a step-up game.  Yeah he blocked the FG against the Panthers but in terms of pass rush he hasn't been an impact player since the Falcons game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on October 04, 2011, 10:03:08 am
So you're saying 31-3, or 31-6? Or even more for the Lions?

Really?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on October 04, 2011, 10:03:35 am
Your chicago bears have absolutely no chance in Detroit next Monday.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on October 04, 2011, 10:09:07 am
Well, the resident idiot has chimed in now...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 04, 2011, 10:14:15 am
I'm predicting 31-16 Lions.  31-23 if our D or STs can get a score.

We'll get an offensive TD in the 4th Quarter after being held to FGs until the game is out of reach.

I have very little confidence in either our defense or our passing offense based on what I've seen the last three games, and it will take both to beat the Lions.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 04, 2011, 12:04:44 pm
Thats what I have thought too. I sure dont see the Bears getting 3 TDs against the Lions defense. Suh will be in the Bears backfield almost every play. The Bears Oline will resemble matadors.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 04, 2011, 01:24:22 pm

Tinoisamoa to work out Wednesday for Bears

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-tinoisamoa-to-work-out-wednesday-for-bears-20111004,0,3260085.story

I was wondering if this was going to happen after the Panther game.   Nick Roach has been kind of quiet this season.  Not sure if he's getting blocked or if he's just not on the field much anymore as the Bears play a lot of nickel.

Problem is if he's signed who goes?   Adding Tino makes it only 6 LBs so it doesn't mean that the rook Dom DeCicco is cut.  Who is the 53rd man?  With all our injuries there aren't a lot of candidates - maybe it is the rookie FA that gets cut?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 04, 2011, 01:47:21 pm
OK I guess, but LB play is the least of our D worries...  well behind our sieve of a D-Backfield and pass rushers who can't shed anyone.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 04, 2011, 02:38:51 pm

You're not going to find pass rushers or cover guys off the trash heap - 30 year old beat up 4-3 outside LBs?  yes.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 04, 2011, 02:59:47 pm
I wonder is that why we were light at LB anyway, they planned to bring him back once he was healthy.
He might shore up the run defense.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 04, 2011, 03:01:33 pm
IF he can stay healthy!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 04, 2011, 03:26:33 pm
I wonder is that why we were light at LB anyway, they planned to bring him back once he was healthy.

Good point.  I think that's very likely what they were thinking.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on October 04, 2011, 09:13:42 pm
well dave, the only place the bear stands less of a chance for a win is Lambeau Field.

Lions 37 bears 16.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 05, 2011, 10:09:15 am
ie Lamblow Field
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on October 05, 2011, 12:21:20 pm
Land of the mullets
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 05, 2011, 12:27:25 pm
And the guys have sucky haircuts too. I guess you gotta do it to get that stupid wedge of cheese to fit on the hydrocelphalic head.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 05, 2011, 02:24:23 pm
Well at least we're not giving the Lions bulletin board material...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/05/charles-tillman-calvin-johnson-is-the-best-receiver-in-the-nfl/
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 05, 2011, 04:28:15 pm
I don't see this game going well for the Bears at all. They are built to destroy this team. Johnson has been a one man wrecking ball for them and we are horrible at covering guys like him,even with Tillnut on him. And their Dline is light years better than our crap Oline. We can stop their run game but their passing will light us up and guaranteed they'll get at least one defensive TD from our inept setup. So with that being said, score= 27-13 Loins. Just do not see it going well...

Is Angelo gone yet?.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 05, 2011, 07:18:25 pm

 TRENCHES
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 06, 2011, 08:55:10 am
If Suh and Fairley are both active we'll have to do a lot of quick passes, screens, rollouts etc to try to neutralize those guys.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 06, 2011, 11:55:18 am
Whats Lovie Smith's record against the Lions?   Hell when was the last time the Lions beat the Bears?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on October 06, 2011, 12:01:41 pm
Whats Lovie Smith's record against the Lions?   Hell when was the last time the Lions beat the Bears?

last year, if not for the stupid call on Calvin Johnsons TD. That was a gift.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 06, 2011, 12:24:23 pm
Whats Lovie Smith's record against the Lions?   Hell when was the last time the Lions beat the Bears?

When was the last time the Lions beat the Cowboys before last Sunday? "Its the NFL and on any given Sunday......."

Streaks dont go on forever you know.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 06, 2011, 01:03:10 pm
LOL, Mike Florio on PFT is picking the Monday night game to go to the Lions, 41-13.

Makes my 31-16 prediction look not so radical after all.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 06, 2011, 01:34:27 pm
I hope we spank the lions and then they spank GB.
What is likely to happen is we rough them up and they lose and then GB spanks them good.
What is funny is my 19you son started pulling for the Lions before the season.
When he was a kid he pulled for the Rams when they were good, then he started pulling for the Colts.
I'm not sure why he picked the Lions.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on October 06, 2011, 01:40:04 pm
Sounds like the Lions have injuries mounting after the first few weeks too...

Could go either way - if the Bears minimize the bonehead mistakes - they will win
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 06, 2011, 02:12:10 pm
I wondered if something like this might be coming.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/06/nfl-fines-brandon-meriweather-20000/

Maybe that's why we're paying him so much money...  Angelo knew he's gonna be giving some of it back...  :-\
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 06, 2011, 02:13:54 pm
Sounds like the Lions have injuries mounting after the first few weeks too...

Could go either way - if the Bears minimize the bonehead mistakes - they will win


We need the Bears team to show up that took the field Game 1 against Atlanta.

Anything less... on either side of the ball...  and we'll lose, and possibly by a big margin.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 06, 2011, 02:33:49 pm
Uh-oh...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-omiyale-expected-back-in-lineup-vs-lions-20111006,0,4244327.story

These are the situations you get into when you don't have 5 or 6 NFL caliber O-Linemen on your roster. Hell, right now I'd be happy if we had even 3 or 4.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on October 06, 2011, 02:36:53 pm
If we have to lose I would prefer a huge blowout. Anything that puts the microscope on Angelo's failure at OL and safety would be the silver lining to a loss.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 07, 2011, 03:47:15 am
I saw that Omiyale start at RT and said thats it. No way we win that game
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 07, 2011, 07:45:17 am
When I saw that hit from Merriweather, I knew it was a fine coming.  Freakin' Steve Smith must have a concrete head, because he took at least 2 devastating shots to the head during the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 07, 2011, 07:49:02 am
I can't claim to be Omiyale's biggest critic, since I generally fall on the glass half full side.  But this is the guy I have called out last year, there was always 1 or 2 land rush opportunities on Cutler last year when he protected the blindside where Cutler would just get blown up.  Omiyale seems to get out of his stance late, which gives a half step advantage in those cases.

What about Edwin Williams?  Couldn't he slide to right tackle or right guard and place Louis in the other position?  I am not sure a crippled Spencer in the interior doesn't just feed right into Suh's wheelhouse.  Though it looks like Farely won't play...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 07, 2011, 08:08:03 am
Actually according to PFT this morning, Fairley has been cleared to play.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/07/lions-defense-expects-to-get-durant-fairley-back-in-mix/

Not sure if he actually will...  or if he'll be 100%...  but even an 80% Fairley combined with Suh should pretty much be enough to blow up our interior OL on a regular basis. Too bad we couldn't have gotten the Lions last week.

I'm starting to seriously wonder if Cutler will survive this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: AZSteve on October 07, 2011, 08:49:29 am
Run Forte Run...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 07, 2011, 09:36:27 am
Down here in Nashville Hasslebeck is lighting em up. Why? You know why. He's still standing after the play. He's not running for dear life.  He says he's not feeling like he's been in an auto accident on Monday. Pencil neck and butt buddy listening? I doubt it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 07, 2011, 11:03:58 am

Omiyale is definitely struggling with his consistency.  His matchup with Avril/Van Den Bosch will be the one I'm most concerned about this weekend.  Right after that is Louis vs Suh.  Bears will need to give these guys some help with Forte, Klutts and/or Davis.    On the road in a dome is not going to help matters.  Too bad cuz their secondary is suspect.

Also, I'd feel better about covering Megatron if I knew Chris Harris will be playing.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 07, 2011, 11:43:50 am
We only have one CB (Tillman) that's anywhere close to physically suited to covering Calvin Johnson.

Every other CB on our roster gives up 5 to 8 inches of height to him if not more.  The way Greg Jennings and Steve Smith destroyed us (who are nowhere near the physical specimens of Megatron), I'm thinking it could get pretty brutal in our secondary Monday night.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 07, 2011, 11:49:50 am
Martz downplayed any concern about Cutler.

“Jay’s fine,’’ he said. ‘‘There’s nothing wrong with Jay. He’s obviously got to do better, but there are things he did in the opener that he’s not doing as well right now.

“He’s got to sit in there and make throws that we know he can make. We’ll get him there. We’re going to get him there.”

Really. What an arrogant concited deseased steaming pile of feces you are. He's got no one keeping the defense off  him and no one to throw to. Your stupid "drop back half way to the museiums" on each play really helps. I know you don't have trouble sleeping at night, but at least you should wince when you cash you massive paycheck.  The last time anyone was paid so much to kill someone was during wwII.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 07, 2011, 11:53:20 am
OUCH!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 07, 2011, 12:10:03 pm
"He's obviously got to do better."

Wow, is Martz a stand-up guy or what?  Way to throw your QB under the bus there.

Much better responses would have been:

"We obviously have to get Jay some linemen that can block and some wide receivers that can get open and make a catch"

"I obviously have to re-tool my offense and my playcalling to play to Jay's strengths and hide the weaknesses of his supporting cast."

"Our GM obviously needs to pay Matt Forte sooner than later because without him we wouldn't be netting 50 yards a game."
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 07, 2011, 12:56:45 pm
F'ing clueless staff,that's for sure. Martz pulls that 7 step drop crap every play, Cutler won't make it through this game. I'm so tired of harping on these short bus idiots. They're clueless. Bring in a staff that knows recievers and offensive lineman are important elements that need to be present.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 07, 2011, 04:44:15 pm

 This should be looked at ... but its not THIS game coming up.

Only what occured in the past.

In the NFC we come in at 13 for offense. Of 16 teams.

Detroit at 6.

Offense

Rushing: Chicago 10 Detroit 15

Passing: Chicago 12 Detroit 5

Defense

Against the pass:

Detroit 4 Chicago 15

Against the run:

Chicago 13 Detroit 11

We have our work cut out for us on MNF.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 08, 2011, 08:06:22 am
Imagine those numbers with real offensive linemen and wideouts,everything instantly improves. Our D isn't on the field 3/4ths of the game, our run game opens up,the passing game happens.....but due to Angie,we've got what you posted.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 10, 2011, 10:14:03 am
Martz is somewhat right - Cutler has not played well these last few games. 

 Yeah, there's been issues with the O-line, playcalling, and receivers but there are numerous times where everything is fine and Jay is throwing off his back foot or not stepping up in the pocket or just flat out missing an easy throw.

Obviously, the key is the offensive line.  Once that settles down Cutler will feel more comfortable in the pocket and make some plays.  Right now that is not happening.  Martz has to realize this and call the appropriate plays.  (Did you see Rodgers last night - 1, 2,3 and the ball is downfield 20 yards). 

I'm really concerned about Omiyale in a dome and I don't care who he's matched up against.  Lance Louis against Suh is a mismatch too.

The Lions will be loading up to stop Forte - we really need a healthy Earl Bennett back.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on October 10, 2011, 11:00:26 am
Maybe Roy Williams will have a little extra motivation to catch balls against the team who dumped him first
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 10, 2011, 11:30:40 am
Lions haven't beaten the Bears since 2007.

Bears have won 6 straight against the Lions.

Cutler is 4-0 against the Lions.

Lovie is 6-1 on MNF.

27-23 Bears
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on October 10, 2011, 12:24:02 pm
Lions luck cannot last for 16 games - Bears can beat anyone - if they play it with very few mistakes
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 10, 2011, 12:59:30 pm
I just have a feeling Cutler is going to have one of his WTF games.  Dont know why, just a feeling. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 10, 2011, 02:08:21 pm
I just have a feeling Cutler is going to have one of his WTF games.  Dont know why, just a feeling. 

I know why...  because the Lions front 4 is gonna stuff Forte and once they've done that then they're gonna tee off on Cutler.

I predict at least 6 sacks on Cutler tonight.  If he lasts that long, that is.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on October 10, 2011, 02:28:34 pm
Wake up a smell the mold in yer apartment...the bears cannot play with The Green Bay Packers.



Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on October 10, 2011, 02:56:34 pm
Only mold I smell is on Packers fans heads...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 10, 2011, 03:54:08 pm

otto

I don't recall seeing your comments on our boards much at all last year or even prior years.  And now after a Super Bowl win and fast start to the 2011 season we get the privilege of seeing these really thoughtful posts of yours.

Lucky us.

 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on October 10, 2011, 04:35:24 pm
Indeed.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 10, 2011, 07:13:17 pm
I smell moldy cheese from some cheese head
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 07:35:01 pm
Everyone picks the Lions but Dikta and Keyshawn.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 07:53:07 pm
What a clusterfuuuccck!!!!

What was that 5 false starts?   Come on!

Angelo needs to be fired right now for this O-line.  They suck AND they are stupid!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 10, 2011, 07:54:38 pm
I honestly am tempted to turn this freaking game off.  The false starts are killing me and my enjoyment of football.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pistol on October 10, 2011, 07:55:25 pm
Wtf was that?

Finally got the big screenn working, now if only the Bears o-line will do the same.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 08:02:38 pm
why look....a bear timeout in the middle of the first qtr., how suprising.   i  assume martz is upstairs.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 08:05:51 pm
god this is enraging.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 08:06:38 pm
one more 7 foot drop im in the car to kill martz.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pistol on October 10, 2011, 08:07:26 pm
How is Gruden claiming 3 false starts on Davis? He must be hearing different numbers than I am.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:08:56 pm
The Lions going to get a gift.  That was barely tipped and it will negate the pass intereference.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:10:14 pm
What a hose job that was not conclusive.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 08:12:14 pm
martz needs to be fired. now
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 10, 2011, 08:16:26 pm
agree about Martz his time is done.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 08:18:43 pm
Kellen Davis sucks! This guy has done nothing but blow it so far tonight. Totally blowing blocks and causing three false starts...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 08:20:18 pm
Bears are looking way too complacent so far. Just totally out of sync. They wouldn't be going downfield much at all if it wasn't for a combination of inept referees and stupid Loins mistakes.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:21:10 pm
Kellen Davis has had one false start.  The first one they called on him was actually Omiyale.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:21:39 pm
I hate the no audible part of Martz system.  It is retarded.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:22:35 pm
Why are they going for it and why with Forte?

**** stupid!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 08:22:47 pm
this is awful football. 87 and 68 and 73 don't belong in the nfl what terrible play
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:24:03 pm
Stupid challenge.  Now how is Cutler going to get out of bad plays or keep from delay of game cause the plays come in so slow.

This coaching staff needs to go.

Man this team sucks!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 08:24:22 pm
**** azzed offensive line. Suh should be THE main target on a line play like that. Do I even have to say that? How fking stupid....I'm tired of Lovie's lame no heart team....how bout some fire? They all look like they'd rather be on a beach somewhere. No fire whatsoever.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pistol on October 10, 2011, 08:24:36 pm
Worst call ever. Worst line ever. Worst GM ever.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 10, 2011, 08:25:17 pm
Omieyle is a complete waste of space.  We literally are playing one man down on offense.  Get his ass out of game ASAP.  Put in spencer with his 1 hand and slide LL over to tackle...can't do any better.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 08:26:16 pm
Defense is going to have to carry this game...Offense is totally asleep.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:27:14 pm
They said Peppers is hurt?

What happened?  Anyone?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 10, 2011, 08:28:13 pm
Man that was the worst 1st Q of football ever.  Only saving grace is the score is 0-0. 

How is that 3rd round Conte pick looking now??  Even worse....could have had a young OG gaining experience in the game.  Instead we have 2 guys on the line that SHOULDN"T be playing in the league. 

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:29:43 pm
Game over season over.

Fuuck!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 08:30:23 pm
40+ pt game. I'd can ever living fk on the staff after this game. I'm so absolutely disgusted with em all. Wipe the **** clean and start over RIGHT....fking waste of football....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:30:47 pm
As soon as Peppers went out I knew they were going deep.  Then saw Stafford back there all day and said touchdown before it even left his hands.

This team sucks!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 10, 2011, 08:32:00 pm
When's bye week?  They need to implement new offense.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 08:32:55 pm
Like those stupid fk DB's are letting Johnson run right down the field untouched...how fking STUPID are these idiots???
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 08:34:27 pm
This whole season is a fking wasteland. The best thing that could happen at this point is lose out and change everything. It's needed badly. Angieblow has decimated this team with his world class horrid drafts.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on October 10, 2011, 08:36:11 pm
Jeez they look bad
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pistol on October 10, 2011, 08:38:07 pm
Catch the damn ball...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 08:38:31 pm
Hester's a fking waste of a reciever...wtf he's doing out there is beyond me....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 08:38:36 pm
23 dropped the  ball.go figure.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on October 10, 2011, 08:40:09 pm
Hester is horrible.  Catch the f'n ball!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:42:20 pm
No Peppers going to be a long season.  They sucked before he hurt his knee.

Cutler made a hell of a throw there and Hester doesn't get it done.

This team is broken thanks to Angelo.  So many nice pieces but the foundation is not there.

Our safetys suck ass and with no pass rush the Bears are going to give up 30+ points tonight now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 08:42:33 pm
Feel like I'm on a jet with a incompetent pilot at the controls. You just know the plane's going down but you're helpless to do much but watch it crash. Where's Tillnut? He hurt too?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:43:59 pm
As usual the conrer passed the WR off to the safeties and the safeties weren't in position.  It has been a problem all year.  I thought it would be better with Harris back.  Guess not.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on October 10, 2011, 08:45:00 pm
He was bad last year, but Hester is even worse this year...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:46:12 pm
Briggs need to stop bitching about his money he sucks!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 08:46:37 pm
What we're watching is the dissolving of a proud franchise due to inept GM drafting. It's been happening the last few years but now the fruit is showing. Can't go years without drafting quality linemen and recievers and expect to be good. Someone needs to fire Angelo and I'm tired of saying it.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 10, 2011, 08:46:50 pm
Need to start a thread on what we need to fix on this team...could get long.

in no particular order....

Hester needs to stick to returning punts and kick offs.  He is butterfingers, should not be a WR. 

Frank Omieyle needs to be cut like right now.

Chris Williams needs to be cut as well.

We need a S that can actually cover.

We need a shutdown CB (peanut is getting old).

We need some young LB's.

We need a stud WR's

We need...oh brother...we are f9ck5d!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 08:47:29 pm
Tillnut can't catch now either?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:50:05 pm
Peppers is back in but doing nothing.  Well just like the rest of the "pass rushers".

It is 7-3 but I feel like it is 40-0.  I just see this team sleep walking.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:53:36 pm
False start.  Again....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 08:54:10 pm
What a huge load of **** that was! That call was so total bs it was unreal...how they called that on the Oline is beyond me. It was clearly Vandenbosch.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 08:56:02 pm
Davis isn't even lining up right. Cutler has to wave the idiot to the other side of the line....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 08:57:29 pm
lions aren't all that .  against this bear team 7-3? Paper tiger so far.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 08:59:33 pm
It is 7-3 the Bears are driving but it is like pulling teeth.  Brutal watching this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 09:00:02 pm
10-3 Bears!

Nice.

Cutler and Forte are in beast mode.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 09:00:04 pm
MY GOD!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 09:00:48 pm
LOL,you're right,46. Loins aren't all that. A discombobulated Bears is still good enough to score on them,lol...that's bad....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on October 10, 2011, 09:01:16 pm
TD!  Go, Cutler!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pistol on October 10, 2011, 09:02:29 pm
Not pretty but I'll take it...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 09:08:27 pm
OOps 10-7 Bears.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 09:09:04 pm
What was Merriweather thinking hitting that guy late? Stupid!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 09:09:58 pm
Lions are becoming a second half team. This game ain't over by miles.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 09:11:56 pm
Guess it could be worse....could be Eagles fans. Touted as the 'Superteam' at the beginning,they're sitting with 1 win.....lol
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 09:27:48 pm
why don't the Bears just tell cutler "do what you think is best". Martz is an ass..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 09:32:43 pm
Tewrrible call!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 09:33:25 pm
Our safeties suck.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 09:34:07 pm
Too easy...Urlacher gotta wake up on that play....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 09:34:57 pm
gift touchdown for the home team.  Bears screwed 7 ways to sunday.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 09:36:30 pm
Hester is a dumb ****.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 09:41:49 pm
Omiyale is just unbelievably bad. They cannot find someone,ANYONE on the PS that could do better than a swinging door?!?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 09:43:19 pm
Forte...man. Could be game on that missed catch...cannot let Loins score this time at all.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 09:46:35 pm
That's game....wheels off Bears train completely. Best wasn't even touched.....**** assed team....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 09:46:48 pm
yeah.....about that not scoring.......uh................
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pistol on October 10, 2011, 09:47:06 pm
Dang.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 09:47:20 pm
Really?

That is pathetic.

Fire everyone!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 09:48:51 pm
Can't come back the O-line is terrible.  As good as Forte and Cutler played the Bears are done.

The defense sucks.  The defense!  All the money and draft picks go to the defense and they suck!

Fire em all!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 09:49:20 pm
That was on Briggs. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 09:50:25 pm
Well...hate to say it but we need to get pounded. We need a very bad year to get this team improved for the future. We know we cannot keep going with Angie at the helm. That is a given. This is the year to get the cancer out but it's gonna hurt us good.....but the cancer has to go.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on October 10, 2011, 09:51:12 pm
The defense is bad, but don't forget the historic ineptitude of this receiving corp.

Martz was successful when he had Holt, Bruce, Proehl and Faulk making plays and holding on to balls.

If I were Cutler, I think I'd tap out at this point.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 09:55:24 pm
O-line and WR suck.

Safeties suck on D.  I have no clue where the pass rush is since the Bears have spent all of their money and draft picks there. 

This is embarrassing.  Wanny bad.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 09:56:50 pm
I notice Peppers is out.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 09:57:02 pm
How stupid is Angelo that he has a top QB finally and then does NOTHING to get him protected OR give him tools to use??? Just how frigging inept,foolish,retarded, etc etc etc IS that? Bears need to follow the Lions example when they turned things around. They fired THEIR inept GM and now look at the results.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 09:58:27 pm
This is getting to be Wanny bad. Time for changes folks....this ****'s gotta stop!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 09:59:21 pm
Don't blame the offense.  The Bears D only played 9 minutes in the first half.  The Bears D sucks!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on October 10, 2011, 10:02:42 pm
Detroit's had the ball 14 minutes and has 21 points.

The Bears have had the ball 29 minutes and have 10 points.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on October 10, 2011, 10:06:21 pm
Hold on folks, there's been a Marion Barber sighting.

Followed by another offensive penalty.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 10:09:27 pm
Gee,lookie there..another F-UP by Omiyale....fking fire Angelo already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 10:10:15 pm
The Bears suck.  Start to finish.  Fire them all.

Cutler and Forte are the only two that played well.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 10, 2011, 10:10:41 pm
Time to clean the entire **** azzed mess entirely....Lovie, his Keystone Kops crew,everything...start the hell over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pistol on October 10, 2011, 10:12:10 pm
This has to be the worst offensive line in the history of the sport.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 10:13:49 pm
6 and 22 are lights out. The rest are  barney fife.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on October 10, 2011, 10:17:09 pm
Urlacher misses another tackle.

I don't get the hype. Never have.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 10:24:52 pm
i really hope angelo chokes to death on the money he bilked out of those decrepit old fools that own the bears. i really do.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pistol on October 10, 2011, 10:31:16 pm
It disgusts me to imagine what could have been last year and what we could have this year if we had even a mediocre offensive line. And it infuriates me that Angelo is too blind to see it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on October 10, 2011, 10:33:19 pm
And another Urlacher missed tackle seals it.

Need a new linebacking corp as well.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 10, 2011, 10:33:20 pm
and that ladies and gents is what i like to call- game over. 46 over and out.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 10:35:07 pm
With an average O-line this team is in the thick of things.

With the worst O-line in history no chance.  No team does.  I want people fired.  Not after the season right now!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 10:36:03 pm
Give up the first LOL!  this team sucks!

This team is terrible.  The defense is the worst in the NFL.  **** them
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pistol on October 10, 2011, 10:41:43 pm
That failed 4th and 1 looks pretty big right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 10, 2011, 10:46:08 pm
This team sucks top to bottom.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on October 10, 2011, 10:51:33 pm
Defense...Old, slow, playing an antiquated scheme...
Offense..Cutler & Forte and nothing else...Martz wasting Cutler and may yet get him killed..
Special Teams...Special, but not as much as they used to be...

The bowl is full of turds....time to flush!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 10, 2011, 11:05:11 pm
Angelo needs to be fired. That offensive line is just unbelievably bad. You cant win championships or playoff games with a line like that. Omiyale needs to be cut tomorrow and so does Webb. Brutal.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 10, 2011, 11:42:46 pm

 Well at least our OL and WR's came thru ...

 its all Cutlers fault !!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 11, 2011, 04:30:51 am
All I can do is hope that this is the start of the end for Angelo and Lovie. The fukking D is awful, I agree the O line is pathetic, but we've got some talent on D and these guys look like fools. Fukk you Lovie and your damn cover who...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 11, 2011, 06:52:22 am
I didn't notice, did Chris Harris play? I saw Merriweather screwing up out there.

We need Harris, Carimi, Bennet and Peppers back healthy in a bad way.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2011, 06:53:35 am
I agree the defense didnt have a very good game. Briggs got beat on that one play for a TD. The safetys were pathetic. I can see why the Pats cut Merriweather.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 11, 2011, 08:33:21 am
Chris Harris started.  I went to bed at Halftime.  The OL is so horrid it isnt funny.  You have a guy like Suh, and NOBODY blocks him?  Really?  No idea why Tice didnt yank Frank OMG.  And his project Webb wasnt looking so great either.  I think when Carimi comes back you put him at LT and Webb at RT and hope they grow.  This season is lost, no way we make the playoffs at all.  Totally sucks.  Time to start looking at college games and thinking about the draft.  Of course if Angelo is running it it will be some dudes who are undersized, with medical issues.  Just shoot me now. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 11, 2011, 08:39:55 am
Goats of the week awards:

Chris Harris: I thought Harris got burned on the 3 biggest plays (the 1 TD megatron had and the 2 long runs). He sure was rusty. I think he will be OK though.

Frank OhMyGodImAwFAIL- why is this stiff still on the team ? He should be tried for theft of a paycheck.

Lovie Smith- a blind chimp could throw better challenges than he can. That stupid series where the Lions basically gave us a FG attempt that Lovie promptly wizzed down his leg. with a timeout, a failed play, then as a topper to the incompetence, a challenge that was a total waste.

Dishonorable mentions:
Jerry Angelo- same problems with oline talent, different year. Enough already.
Mike Martz- we were in trouble the moment it was announced on pregame that Martz had 5.. yes 5 gameplans for the game. That's the problem. This team can do NOTHING consistently on offense because they throw things out and se what sticks. They can hang their hat on NOTHING. Another year of life wasted for Cutler and the fans. ENOUGH ALREADY !

Player of the game- Jay Cutler. Enough with questioning his heart and will to play. Without him last night, the offense gets nothing, zero, nada points.

"Virginia- let our team go !"
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2011, 09:24:15 am
Seasons over, boys. Angelo and Lovie have destroyed the franchise through their joint arrogance, neglect and gross incompetence.  What I watched in primetime last night is a fu-cking disaster of a team that is getting worse by the week. 

Time to start rebuilding and the sooner the better.

- Angelo and Lovie have got to go. Along with Martz, Marinelli and about 3/4 of the roster.  The bye week would be a great time to start the process by launching Angelo, Lovie and Martz, naming Tice the interim OC and promoting Ruskell to interim GM but prohibiting him from making any player deals. 

- Omiyale should not play another down in a Bears uni.  He is worse than brutal. Bench him or just cut him outright. Promote Levi Horn from the PS as he certainly couldn't do any worse than either of our current OT starters. 

- The offense needs a complete rebuild.  Install a WC offense that maximizes Cutler's mobility and Forte's versatility and that allows Cutler to audible at the line.  Keep Cutler, Forte and Bennett, maybe Carimi and Kellen Davis... and that's it.  Replace the entire rest of the OL and the rest of the WRs. Seriously. The comparisons of Cutler to Jeff George are way off.  A much better comparison would be Cutler and Archie Manning, i.e., a supremely talented QB is going to waste due to an incompetent front office, terrible coaching and a complete lack of any supporting cast.

- Ditto on the defense and I'm not sure there's ANYONE worth building around on that side of the ball.  The best players of the last few years are getting old fast, and the young guys behind them flat-out suck. It's absurd that we have spent as many draft picks and money on DL and S as we have in the Angelo era and yet they are still the worst performing positions on the entire defense.

It has been 4 games -- a full month -- since this team has put together a decent football performance.  The OL is every bit as bad as it was anytime last year, and this D is playing worse this year than anytime since the Wanny regime.  I have a feeling a lot of teams are gonna be hanging season-best yardage on this crew cause Lovie and Marinelli have no answers for good offenses, and our defensive players are not good.

Obviously we don't have enough good players to even win 6 or 7 games this year but a lack of talent is no excuse for the ridiculous amount of "focus" related errors last night.  What you're seeing now is the perfect storm:  sub-par players who are compouding their lack of talent by now having tuned out their HC.  This CF of a football team is equal parts Angelo and Lovie when it comes to assigning blame. The only question now is how bad it's going to get from here on out...  and if that will be bad enough to prompt any sort of action in the ivory towers where the McCaskeys live.

Looking for back-to-back primetime losses as the Vikings beat us in our own house next Sunday night.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 11, 2011, 09:53:33 am

I said it before but maybe the guy the defense really missed is daniel manning.  He wasn't the most instinctive pass defender but he was a solid tackler and prevented a lot of long plays with his catchup speed.  Harris looked rusty and still may be feeling the effects of the hammy injury.

Did anyone hear any of our DTs names mentioned last night?  Melton? Adams?  Toeaina? Okoye?  Didn't think so.

Did you notice that when our DEs rush the passer they run directly into the chest of the OT?   While the DEs of the Lions line up wider and use their speed to run by our OTs?  Now I know that the wide stances open up some holes but you'd think in some situations our DEs would vary their position. 

I thought Tillman and Jennings did OK and DJ Moore made several plays.  Tillman should have jammed Megatron on that long pass though. 

Somebody mentioned it earlier...our defense looks old and slow.  They need a speed guy on the pass rush.  Time to dress Addison.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on October 11, 2011, 10:07:57 am
Kind of getting tired of the Marinelli is such a great coach thing.

Our DL couldn't get a sniff of Stafford.     We need a more modern system. 

Tice just isn't getting anywhere with these linemen.

I 'm still convinced he's a good coach but these guys just don't cut it.  They've had a year and a half and aren't getting it done.

We could have put a serviceable OL together even with the short off season through free agency.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2011, 10:44:01 am
Kind of getting tired of the Marinelli is such a great coach thing.

Agreed 110%. I have felt for several years already that our defense has been WAY overrated in the media and elsewhere, and there is no reason for them to get a free pass any longer.

They need to own this rapidly deteriorating season just as much as the OL, WRs or anybody else. We are giving up ridiculous yardage including at least a couple of huge plays every game now it seems.  The "bend but don't break" defense, has broken.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 11, 2011, 10:58:08 am
I just can't get upset over the Lions/fans. They've not had a good team since......God, how long?  And trust me, having lived in that state for over 20 years, there really is nothing left, its just a husk of what it once was. Our Granddaughter is still there, and I'm being told that about three years ago they just stopped repairing the roads.  No money.  The industries were squeezed by the state on one side (the single business tax, your not taxed on you profits!) and the uniions. Guess what? They left.  Detroit is not the only horror story in that state, but it is the only one that gets the money. Funny how it just.....dissapears.  Anyway, congrats to the Lions, hope they do well. The Bears aren't. The whole world last night saw that line wearing clown shoes.  The most dishaeartening sight was 54 after the running touchdown turn to Briggs and asking: "what happened"?  You mean you didn't KNOW?  Long season ahead.  Long season.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: wmljohn on October 11, 2011, 11:03:48 am
There were two other players that had a good game last night that no one mentioned.

Cudos for Robbie Gould and Sanzenbacher.  That guy catches almost everthing thrown at him.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: wmljohn on October 11, 2011, 11:05:10 am
The what happened from Urlacher and then the two shots of him and Briggs on the sidelines looking dumbfounded...

EMBARASSING!

Omiyale needs to be cut now.  How many times did Cutler have to tell DAvis where to line up?  Anyone missing Olsen yet?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on October 11, 2011, 11:39:19 am
Urlacher was asking Briggs why he didn't fill his assigned gap which is right where the RB went through the line.

It's not as though Urlacher didn't know what happened, he was asking Briggs why he followed the QB and left his assignment.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 11, 2011, 11:42:56 am
We finally have a good QB, and now no team to surround him with. Gould is gold for sure!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 11, 2011, 11:48:34 am
I think the problem is the Lions were using the bears defensive keys and making them pay.
That TD behind Urlacher, they pulled   a guard to make Urlacher read the trap key and move toward the line then threw in behind him.

It is one thing to not follow your keys or stay in your gap and get burned. Once you get burned because you did stay in your gap and follow your read then you start 2nd guessing your keys and missing assignments.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on October 11, 2011, 11:53:33 am
Chifan,

My inpression is Shanahan is getting things on track in Washington by just not tolerating mediocrity.

We need some of that instead of the Lovie montra of 'everyone is working hard"

I want the old bear defense of several years ago with big Ted Washington and Keith Traylor.

No one could score on us, we just had no QB
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on October 11, 2011, 11:56:26 am
The worst part is I found myself not even able to get mad about it. I guess watching Angelo ignore the O-line and safety positions for so long I expected exactly what I saw. Just as with the Cubs I am fast losing interest. Thank God for the Blackhawks.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on October 11, 2011, 12:04:18 pm
I agree, in fact I feared worse with megatron.  so far we're the only team to hold him to one TD.

All said, the D played just well enough to stay in the game.  The OL is just killing us.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 11, 2011, 12:23:06 pm
Frank OhMyGodImAwFAIL- why is this stiff still on the team ? He should be tried for theft of a paycheck.

If my memory is correct Omiyale was a pickup by Angelo. He may have even cost us a draft pick too. So if we are playing the blame game, blame Angelo. He seems like a pet of Angelo. If I were GM he'd be gone today.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2011, 12:32:12 pm
I guess watching Angelo ignore the O-line and safety positions for so long I expected exactly what I saw.

Same here. And what I saw last night was the same thing I had already seen this this year against the Saints and the Packers:  a Bears team getting taken to the woodshed by a team with much better players and much smarter coaches.

Also not being discussed enough, IMO, is how badly our DL played last night. that Lions OL is middle of the road at best, but we weren't getting to Stafford at all.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 11, 2011, 12:55:50 pm
Well if by some chance we do beat the Vikes next week I can just hear Lovie saying we are at .500, with a lot of football left to play.  Hey dumb ass, last night was a must win, you now have TWO teams that are 5-0, ahead of you, IN YOUR DIVISION.  Fire em all.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2011, 01:04:52 pm
Well if by some chance we do beat the Vikes next week I can just hear Lovie saying we are at .500, with a lot of football left to play.

Exactly, it will be something like,

"Well we're only halfway through the 2nd quarter of the season, and we're .500.  We like our guys and we like where we're at and we'll go from there."

I swear...  sometimes I think he and Obama get their talking points from the same consultant.  Just the endless, non-committal, apathetic bul-l**** doled out with that hint of arrogance.  It has really really gotten old.

That being said, I don't think we'll beat the Vikings Sunday night.  Jared Allen is playing at such a high level that the Vikings D can win that game for them even if he and Adrian Peterson are the only two guys that show up.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on October 11, 2011, 02:23:22 pm
Stafford has a rep for passing accurcacy but he missed several open receivers on deep routes.  Bad night or bad night or bad rep?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 11, 2011, 02:29:35 pm
It'll be Cutler and Forte vs Allen and Peterson next week. Vikes are not good either.

This crap is reminding me of the Wanny years. That makes me sick! I don't WANT to be reminded of those horrid wasted years!! This team needs a giant enema. Angelo should be THE first turd flushed out,followed by Lovie and his sidekicks. Taub stays. That's about it. Marinelli...like the rest of you, I'm sick to DEATH of hearing about how good the guy supposedly is! SHOW it! PROVE it! His defense SUCKS!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2011, 02:38:10 pm
J'Marcus Webb and Frank Omiyale are the worst starting pair of OTs in the league and it's not even close.

Jared Allen and Bryan Robison could easily bag 3 sacks -- each -- against us Sunday night.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 11, 2011, 02:52:26 pm
If you flush Angelo, just make sure Ruskell follows him right down the bowl.  Man would I love to get Cowher. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2011, 02:54:37 pm
No doubt on needing to toss Ruskell along with Angelo.

The Seahawks have done something like 200 roster moves over the last two offseasons to try and rebuild the team he destroyed while he was in charge of personnel...  and they are just now starting to dig their way out.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 11, 2011, 02:55:19 pm
Sad:

The Chicago Bears had eight false starts on Monday night, which is more than 25 teams have committed all season.

Sean Jensen of the Chicago Sun-Times breaks down the ridiculous stat from a variety of ugly angles. Chicago has 17 false starts on the year; Seattle is next worst with 12.  Three of the Bears games have been at home.

Two of the Bears players (J’Marcus Webb and Frank Omiyale) have more false starts than 12 teams.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 11, 2011, 02:59:11 pm
The thing Mike Tice has to start worrying about is that this OL is so atrociously bad that his once solid reputation as a good OL coach could be irreparably harmed if this season continues as it's currently looking.

(On phone), "Uh yeah, this is Mike Tice and I'm calling about that position you have open."

"Tice? You've been coaching that Bears O-Line, right?"

"Umm...  yes, yes sir that's me."

< Click >

The biblical metaphor of making bricks without straw comes to mind.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 11, 2011, 03:09:17 pm
847-295-6600 


That's the ph# to the Bears hotline. I pressed #1 for tickets and just politely but sternly complained to the lady. About the only way to get through. I made it short,sweet and to the point- need to fire Angelo now,that this was unacceptable and I'm not interested in buying ANY tickets to watch this train wreck of a team. The number was posted on another site,that's how I got it. I was nice but told her I was pretty ticked off. Anything at this point to voice my anger about this mess....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 11, 2011, 05:39:24 pm
LOL!  Sporty, nice.

What did she say?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on October 11, 2011, 08:23:18 pm
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Sean Jensen of the Chicago Sun-Times breaks down the ridiculous stat from a variety of ugly angles. Chicago has 17 false starts on the year; Seattle is next worst with 12.  Three of the Bears games have been at home.

Two of the Bears players (J’Marcus Webb and Frank Omiyale) have more false starts than 12 teams.

Well clearly this proves that the refs are bias against the bears. They are making these calls to slow the bears potent offense down and help the other team.

Right peke.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 11, 2011, 08:39:07 pm
No they are just undisciplined, no talent pieces of **** who do not belong on a professional football team. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on October 11, 2011, 09:04:07 pm
peke

You can join the Packer bandwagon at anytime and releash yourself of all the anguish. Even with two new starting offensive tackles right now.

The decision is yours....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 11, 2011, 09:12:03 pm
Never happen.

By the way I expect Rodgers to start getting hit quite a bit more now that the Packers loss Clifton.  They lose Rodgers and the Packers are no better then the Vikings.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on October 11, 2011, 09:17:30 pm
Simply not true. Mat Flynn is at better right now than McNabb. And the Packers have the best talent top to bottom than any team in the NFL.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 11, 2011, 09:28:23 pm
On offense perhaps well except for RB.  On defense?  Yeah not so much. 

Matthews isn't the same player with out his HGH.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 12, 2011, 06:36:32 am
She basically just said 'ok' Peke. Wasn't much to say. Wouldn't be surprised though if she had recieved a number of calls that day....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 12, 2011, 08:09:40 am
I'm sure that receptionist has long ago been given some sort of script by the PR office to use for call such as that.

I hope they're getting a lot of calls though.  It's a shame that the minimum wage front line folks at Halas Hall are taking the heat from fans but we have to start saying something to somebody.  This situation has gone on at least three years too long already and no signs of change on the horizon.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: guest118 on October 12, 2011, 08:54:06 am
"J'Marcus Webb and Frank Omiyale are the worst starting pair of OTs in the league and it's not even close."

How is Webb your left tackle any way??? Who thought that was even a good idea????

Carimi will replace Omiyale.

And how is Merriweather still on this team??? BIG red flag when New England dumped him.

Same problems and Angelo never fixes them - O-line, Safties.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 12, 2011, 08:57:18 am
How is Webb your left tackle any way??? Who thought that was even a good idea????

Mike Tice thought it was a good idea.  Why he gets a pass from a lot of you is amazing.  This line is REGRESSING and not IMPROVING.  This falls squarely on him!  If they fire Lovie he has to along with the guru Martz and Angelo.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on October 12, 2011, 09:43:18 am
You guys don't have anyone on the bench to put in. Unlike the Packers who have two guys to put in and that falls not on Tice but the GM.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 12, 2011, 09:47:15 am
When is Carimi supposed to be back?

I thought the initial prognosis was 4 to 6 weeks. We sure could use him against the Vikings twin terrors (Allen and Robison) but I guess if he's not good to go yet, he's not good to go. And a rookie out there at less than 100% against those two probably isn't the best idea.

I'm guessing we don't see Carimi back on the field till after the bye week.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 12, 2011, 10:42:04 am
This doesn't sound good

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/12/julius-peppers-has-a-sprained-mcl/
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 12, 2011, 11:18:23 am
It just keeps getting better and better and better. How far under the cap are the Bears?  Much grinding of teeth in helpless rage.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 12, 2011, 11:20:38 am
I'm almost hoping now for a 3- or 4-win season that gets the whole sorry crew launched and our roster blown up. 

The playoffs aren't happening so what good does 7-9 or 8-8 do us?  We have a 3- or 4-year rebuilding project ahead of us so might as well get it started sooner than later.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 12, 2011, 11:40:57 am
Otts is right...this isn't Tice,although he's probably at the 'ok,what the hell do I do now with these guys?' stage. But he's gotta have the right tools to work with and right now all he has are TOOLS. Bad ones. Horribly horribly bad ones. Carimi was a sign of some hope,till of course he went down. With him and Louis in there, they actually played somewhat decent vs the Falcons. Lose both of them,scramble the line up and wala, one HELLUVA huge mess! The biggest,single factor in the Bears problems for at LEAST the last three years, offensive line/wideouts caused by a GM that almost totally ignored those areas. I remember so clearly each draft saying where the heck is the help at offensive line? What's Angelo thinking? Heard numerous analysts saying the same thing...now we're reaping the results of those terrible decisions....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 12, 2011, 12:15:40 pm
Otto is wrong as always.  The question asked was who's decision was it to move Webb to LT. 

Well who's decision was it to move Webb to LT?  Wasn't the GM.  It was Tice.

Who's decision was it to keep Omaliye on this roster?  Tice.

Who's decision was it to put Carimi to RT?  Tice.

The line looked like it was gelling going into the playoffs last year and now it's digressing.    Why Tice gets a pass is beyond me.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 12, 2011, 12:21:14 pm
This Oline crap is clearly on Angelo and not on Tice. The rostered players were the best of what Tice was given to work with which falls on Angelo. Tice is trying to make chicken soup out of chicken bleep. I can hardly blame Tice.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 12, 2011, 12:34:41 pm
A 4-12 finish should get us into the Top 10.

Assuming a competent GM (a huge assumption, I know), a Top 10 first round pick should net us a starting LT.  And then a Top 10 second round pick should net us a starting C or OG.  We will also have the extra 3rd round pick we got for Greg Olsen although the way things are looking, that 3rd round pick will be much lower in the round next year than it was this year (nice work, Angelo). So that would be another chance to get some OL help.

Get three new OL starters in the 2012 draft, trade or FA for a #1 WR, bring in a competent OC with a system that fits the personnel, and hope that's enough to carry the team for a year or two till the D can be rebuilt. I'm dreaming I know, but it's about all we have to hang our hopes on right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 12, 2011, 01:24:40 pm
"Who's decision was it to keep Omaliye on this roster?  Tice."

I'm not giving Tice a free pass, but Angelo decides WHO is on the roster.  Tice decides who plays. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 12, 2011, 01:31:09 pm
Yep and when Carimi, Lance Louis and Chris Spencer are all incapacitated then OMG pretty much has to play by default.

Although, why Levi Horn hasn't been brought up from the PS yet is beyond me.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 12, 2011, 01:48:18 pm
He's gotta be somewhere south of #68 in talent. Has to be.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on October 12, 2011, 06:33:02 pm
Matthews is still  nicked up.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 13, 2011, 04:43:47 am
I agree, I don't see how the hell Tice get's a pass..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 13, 2011, 07:11:02 am
When it's this bad,EVERYONE should be looked at. Tice,Lovie,Angelo,the towel boy,the friggin costumed Bear....everyone....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 13, 2011, 11:01:52 am
Don't be surprised if Aromashadu hangs about 120 yards on our sorry D Sunday night.

Word from Viking land is they are very pleased with what he's been showing the last few weeks and they are looking for ways to expand his role in the offense.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 13, 2011, 11:21:26 am
And what was the reason we let him go?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 13, 2011, 11:52:50 am
Good question.  I guess Martz didn't like him NOR Olsen.

I guess Knox is next.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 13, 2011, 12:08:52 pm
About now is when Cutler has to be wondering what he did wrong that so angered the gods.

Goes to the Pro Bowl in Denver (at a time when that franchise was only a defense away from being a perennial contender), then BAM, the jagoff McDaniels comes in, says in effect "you're not my guy", and now Cutler is stuck with this CF of a Bears team.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on October 13, 2011, 03:30:45 pm
Cutler has only himself to blame for that. He's the one that got his panties in a wad over McDanial's  comments. He could have kept his mouth shut and outlasted McDanials. He demanded a trade and actually wanted to come to this train wreck. A classic case of be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 13, 2011, 03:55:53 pm
Cutler has only himself to blame for that. He's the one that got his panties in a wad over McDanial's  comments. He could have kept his mouth shut and outlasted McDanials. He demanded a trade and actually wanted to come to this train wreck. A classic case of be careful what you wish for.

Yes and no.  He knew he'd be coming to a Bears team that had considerably less talent than the Broncos team he left, specifically on the OL and at WR. He knew the kind of offense he would be running under Ron Turner (with whom he'd had past history and not a particularly good one).

What he didn't know was that Turner would be launched in favor of an OC that would be an even worse fit for his abilities than Turner, nor did he know that Angelo would do exactly jack squat to improve ANY of the talent at ANY of the problem areas of the offense. Nor did he know that the Bears defense would completely implode to the point it is now arguably every bit as bad as the disastrous Broncos defense that was in place while he was there and which probably cost him at least one trip to the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 13, 2011, 04:30:25 pm

 BRING BACK THE HUNNY BEARS!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on October 13, 2011, 05:03:13 pm
We've already brought the Pack Back!

Oh wait....nevermind you guys suck.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 13, 2011, 06:27:52 pm
We've already brought the Pack Back!

Oh wait....nevermind you guys suck.

 Yer goin down Otto ... you already fuuucking know it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 14, 2011, 04:39:04 am
This could easily be Martz last gig in the nfl..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 14, 2011, 08:15:01 am
This could easily be Martz last gig in the nfl..

It should be. He has the best QB he's ever had to work with in his career, yet the offense is worse than anyplace he's ever been including Detroit and San Fran.

We all know there is a lot of talent lacking on this Bears offense but they do have Cutler and Forte and there's no excuse an offense with those two pieces shouldn't be at least competent.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 14, 2011, 09:34:03 am
Otto is wrong as always.  The question asked was who's decision was it to move Webb to LT.
Well who's decision was it to move Webb to LT?  Wasn't the GM.  It was Tice.
Who's decision was it to keep Omaliye on this roster?  Tice.
Who's decision was it to put Carimi to RT?  Tice.
The line looked like it was gelling going into the playoffs last year and now it's digressing.    Why Tice gets a pass is beyond me.


I was against Webb winning the LT so early  but Tice made that decision after seeing both Webb and Carimi in training camp.   Webb has struggled in 2 of the 5 games:  the opener when matched against John Abraham and Monday night in the dome.  He struggled early on at RT last year too before settling down in the 2nd half.  Watch him Sunday - I bet you he does pretty well against the top sacker in the NFL, Allen.

Back to Tice.  BTW, that same line that was jelling had Omiyale at LT last season.  Sure you want to go there?

Let's see what Tice has had to work with this year. 

Webb - a 7th round draft choice from a Division II school.  Chris Williams - a 1st round bust at tackle.  Garza a FA journeyman guard who is now playing center after Angelo didn't re-sign Kreutz.  Lance Louis.  A 6th round guard who played TE and OT in college.  Spencer a FA center who is now playing RG.  His 1st round OT Carimi has played in 2 games.

Many of these guys are playing new positions due to Tice's decision - it could pay off in the long run.

To top it off Tice is given game plans where often the QB is asked to pass 40 times a ball game and consistently take 7 step drops - passing to WRs that couldn't start for most teams.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 14, 2011, 09:43:16 am
"Jay's right," Martz said Thursday. "We've addressed this issue. And until we get it stabilized a little bit in that offensive line … same thing happened to us last year if you'll remember. We have to make sure we're giving him a better chance with some of these quicker throws."

Unbelievable.

I never understood why Martz didn't go with more shorter passes and let Knox/Hester use their speed to get yards after the catch.

And we saw Monday night that Cutler is accurate while throwing on the move - how about some pre-designed plays where he buys some time and rolls out.  Cutler too often just retreats to the same point time after time and waits for receivers to come open.   Our offense is just as predictable as our defense - move Cutler around with some sprint and roll outs.

And if Roy Williams can't get open, throw the ball to Sam Hurd.  He's a big target we lack and has decent hands.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 14, 2011, 10:02:09 am
Martz' stubbornness and stupidity have taken years off Cutler's career and may have already cost us this season with only 5 games on the books.

Even if this offense miraculously turns things around, he needs to go.  Some teams have enough talent to overcome bad coaching... we certainly do not.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 14, 2011, 10:52:55 am
I agree with both you guys. One thing to add, Lovie's D has been awful!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 14, 2011, 11:00:29 am
Agreed, Chifan.  After the number of huge plays the "bend but don't break" D has given up already this season, I'm done giving them a pass. They're equally to blame for our bad start as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 14, 2011, 11:48:02 am
Otto is wrong as always.  The question asked was who's decision was it to move Webb to LT.
Well who's decision was it to move Webb to LT?  Wasn't the GM.  It was Tice.
Who's decision was it to keep Omaliye on this roster?  Tice.
Who's decision was it to put Carimi to RT?  Tice.
The line looked like it was gelling going into the playoffs last year and now it's digressing.    Why Tice gets a pass is beyond me.


I was against Webb winning the LT so early  but Tice made that decision after seeing both Webb and Carimi in training camp.   Webb has struggled in 2 of the 5 games:  the opener when matched against John Abraham and Monday night in the dome.  He struggled early on at RT last year too before settling down in the 2nd half.  Watch him Sunday - I bet you he does pretty well against the top sacker in the NFL, Allen.

What do you want to bet?  But then again mediocre play satisfies you.

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Back to Tice.  BTW, that same line that was jelling had Omiyale at LT last season.  Sure you want to go there?

He's the reason why Carimi was drafted in the first place.  Do YOU want to go there?  Carimi should be at LT and not Omiyale or Webb.

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Let's see what Tice has had to work with this year. 

Webb - a 7th round draft choice from a Division II school.  Chris Williams - a 1st round bust at tackle.  Garza a FA journeyman guard who is now playing center after Angelo didn't re-sign Kreutz.  Lance Louis.  A 6th round guard who played TE and OT in college.  Spencer a FA center who is now playing RG.  His 1st round OT Carimi has played in 2 games.

Many of these guys are playing new positions due to Tice's decision - it could pay off in the long run.

To top it off Tice is given game plans where often the QB is asked to pass 40 times a ball game and consistently take 7 step drops - passing to WRs that couldn't start for most teams.

Tice's decisions.  And it could pay off in the long run?  The line has gotten progressively worse the last 2 years with him on the helm but you feel his decisions will "pay off"?   Interesting.....

The guys on the line looks confused on who to block at times and look like they've never been on an football field at times and  that falls on coaching.

And with Martz calling plays where the opposing defense seems to know what's coming  is a detriment as well.  He doesn't make adjustments at all but he keeps on calling plays where Cutler can't execute because of the poor pass blocking.  No roll outs, won't go no-huddle, don't know how to use the end around play, Martz is just plain worthless as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 14, 2011, 01:22:07 pm

We can all cry all day about the talent level of the O-line but what can Tice do about that?  He has to work with what he's got.   He's started out with questionable talent and has been playing most the year with 2 of his starters out.

And at this point I would accept mediocre level of play from the O-line.  To expect anything more from this group is foolish. 

Carimi might eventually be our LT but I think right now they don't want to throw him to the wolves.  Once he's proven himself they might re-evaluate, but my guess is he doesn't have the quick feet to play LT.  We'll see.

As far as the confusion comment, I think they know who to block they are just getting beaten on the matchups.  You can only coach a guy so much you can't go out there and help him execute his block and you can't hold down his ankles so he doesn't jump before the ball is snapped.

As for your slams against Martz...no disagreement.  He's almost in the category of the Crowton's offense.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 14, 2011, 03:05:10 pm
Trib reporting Peppers probably won't play. Excellent. Add that to the Bear screen door OL and the game is shaping up into one of those perfect storm games where Cutler finally loses a kidney. Martz of course, would Jay could have done things better. More highlight reel tape of Bears frantically chasing a WR into the end zone. Even Mcnabb can chew you up if you give him 5-6-7 seconds.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 06:41:27 pm
Peppers is starting.  Chris Harris is inactive as is Wooton.

Bears have to have this game cause they are going to get owned by the Bucs next week.  They were all over Brees and his WR's.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 07:14:48 pm
Looks like the defenses have finally gotten back to form this week around the league for the most part.  Hopefully our Bears follow suit and the Vikings don't.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on October 16, 2011, 07:26:05 pm
SHOW TIME.  GO BEARS!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 07:37:00 pm
TD BEARS!!!

Cutler to Hester deep!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on October 16, 2011, 07:40:38 pm
Nice!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 07:50:43 pm
Cutler puts Jared Allen down blocking for Forte!

That had to feel good to him to get a little pay back on a DE!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 07:53:01 pm
SAFETY!!!!

FUUUUUUCCCCKKK YEAH!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 07:56:48 pm
Paea on the safety.

Forte some tough running!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 08:01:38 pm
TD Barber!


I could of ran that TD in that hole was HUGE!!!

16-0 BEARS!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 16, 2011, 08:04:04 pm
it appears so far...the ol is fixed. wow. where the hell has been THIS team?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on October 16, 2011, 08:04:34 pm
Bears are killing them!

:  )
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 08:09:46 pm
Well until this drive.  The D needs to tighten up.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 08:12:21 pm
How can they not call holding on the Vikings O-line for that?

That is ridiclous!

FUUUCK!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 08:15:44 pm
Apparently holding is not called anymore.  How come our O-line doesn't just hold everydown then like other teams?  If they did they would not suck so bad.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on October 16, 2011, 08:17:09 pm
How do they not call holding on them?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 08:24:04 pm
I know the guy was behind with a hand on each shoulder pad pulling him back and no flag.  Crazy.

Bears D needs to hold here or the Vikings will climb back into this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 08:29:10 pm
This team and it's fans needed this game.  Let's keep it up.

Bears in scoring position to start.  So need at least 3 here but hopefully 7.

I am on vacation all week so will be drinking heavily tonight.

WOOOT!!! 

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 16, 2011, 08:34:17 pm
my god what a pass. what a catch.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 08:44:01 pm
Is there some league memo to the refs they are not allowed to call holding on teams opposing the Bears.  I see at least one or two each drive that are maddeningly obvious and are not called.

Perhaps Lovie does not send them into the league enough.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on October 16, 2011, 08:48:31 pm
The Vikngs look horrible...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 08:52:04 pm
Or the Bears are really good.

No you are right the Vikings are horrible.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on October 16, 2011, 08:53:50 pm
I always come to bi5tch...so I have to come to say...Great job tonight Bears!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 08:54:26 pm
Seriously? Peppers was tackled and no flag?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 16, 2011, 09:10:12 pm
Are we in some alternate universe? Where did these Bears come from? What kind of bizarro plane have we entered?....either we woke up finally or the Vikes are THAT bad....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on October 16, 2011, 09:12:51 pm
That's on Jay.  Get rid of the ball...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 16, 2011, 09:17:14 pm
Now that's the Bears we've been seeing....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 16, 2011, 09:18:09 pm
They're going to have to get the ball out faster. Vikes Dline was chatted up at half to pick it up. Gotta get the run going again and get that ball out much faster....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 16, 2011, 09:21:12 pm
devin hester !
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 09:23:02 pm
Hester you are ridiculous!

TD BEARS!!!

Where was this team last week?

Oh yeah that's right they were playing a better team.  But fuuuccck it it starts one game at a time and I am enjoying this!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 09:27:32 pm
This is fun!

Reminds me of 1985.  Too bad next week have to come back to reality.

Or do we...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 16, 2011, 09:28:13 pm
(sigh)  yeah, they were. Can they get better? will it matter? hope so.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 16, 2011, 09:31:52 pm
Is that Singletary I'm seeing on the sidelines with Leslie Frazier??? I swear it is....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 16, 2011, 09:37:05 pm
36-10....at a loss for words....happy,though!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 16, 2011, 09:42:35 pm
vikes dropping like flies. ouch.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 16, 2011, 09:49:15 pm
Quickly entering 85' Bears Super Bowl score numbers here....could be 43-10 shortly....I NEVER....EVER...would have guessed this....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 16, 2011, 09:54:54 pm
Yes Singeltary is on the Vikings couching staff.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 16, 2011, 10:29:19 pm
This is one bizarre season....I have not a clue what they're gonna do in London next. They've got to be reeeal interesting for the Vegas crowd to bet on.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on October 16, 2011, 11:17:08 pm
Finally Martz runs the 6-7 man protections.

The question is why he wouldn't do it against New orleans and Detroit.

Williams Webb and louis had their best games.

Conte and Wright maybe weren't tested a lot but played well.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 17, 2011, 12:03:06 am
Finally Martz runs the 6-7 man protections.

The question is why he wouldn't do it against New orleans and Detroit.

Williams Webb and louis had their best games.

Conte and Wright maybe weren't tested a lot but played well.

 Uhhhh ... if we had DRAFTED to protect the FRANCHISE QB ...

 we wouldnt need to have 7-8 studs BLOCKING.

 Any GOOD OL would have at most 6.

 Which frees up a HELLOVA LOT more for CUTLER to throw or hand off to.

 But thats neither here nor there ...

 the more you keep BACK to BLOCK for an OL that is suspect is the MORE LESS targets CUTLER can go to.

 Nope. No Superbowl that way. You can beat Minnie who is 1-5. The rest is BUUUUULSHIT.

 You know it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on October 17, 2011, 12:11:43 am
You are partially right.


Yes, the OL should have better talent through better drafting.

But,
Every other team in the league runs max protect when the defense is committed to attacking the QB.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 17, 2011, 06:28:40 am
Loved that game. They jumped on the Queens early and never let them in the game. Very unusually good for the Bears.

My question is why does it take 6 games for them to finally play football? Is it because camp Lovie doesnt stress fundamentals? I just find it very strange.

Now beings we are 3-3 and 4 games behind GB (they own the tie breaker) I dont believe we have a playoff prayer.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 17, 2011, 08:16:15 am
I expect we'll need to be about 11-5 to get the wildcard this year.
I doubt we catch GB.
I have a feeling the Lions while being very talented are going to lose several more games this year.
They had several games already they should have lost and they have a pretty tough schedule.

I think the way we played last night we can beat anyone.

I also don't get how Peppers can get put in a headlock and holding is not called.

I know some holding happens every game and likely every play but when it is that obvious against one of the best in the league.
Peppers would have had like 5 sacks last night if it weren't for holding.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 17, 2011, 09:59:49 am

As expected, the Bears O-line were able to do a good job holding off the Vikings vaunted pass rush.    What wasn't expected were he holes the line opened up for Forte against a Vikings D that was 4th in the NFL against the run.

Webb held his own against the top pass rusher in the NFL but Louis totally shut down Robison.  As long as Spencer can play with that bad hand Louis' play could give Carimi an extra week with the bye to heal. 

Not only did Martz have a nice run/pass mix he finally called a long pass play that Cutler could execute with Hester.  About time.

Defensively, having Peppers in there makes a big difference.  Conte and Wright did OK too - Conte's not a bad tackler for a college corner. 

And Stephen Paea surprised a few folks here who labeled him a wasted draft pick before he played on NFL down.  Typical.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: wmljohn on October 17, 2011, 10:07:14 am
Cutler was able to step into some throws.  That was nice to see him have some protection and what he is able to acoomplish with some confidence in his line.  Also good to see him scolding his WR's for not making easy catches.  Hester heard in and Sanzenbacher heard it on the occasions I saw.  they were both big 2nd or 3rd down conversions for a first that got dropped.  the mic even picked up something coming from out of the huddle that I couldn't fully understand after Hester dropped a long 2nd down conversion.  I think he yelled, "catch the fuking ball" as they were breaking the huddle.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 17, 2011, 10:54:04 am
dallas, Cutler said on that play Hester was basicly in there to run off the defense and open up things for the other WR's.  But when he saw he had time and Hester had his man beat he went to him.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 17, 2011, 11:23:17 am
Report that Hester is hurt. Gag.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Chicago-Bears-top-Minnesota-Vikings-101611
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 17, 2011, 12:22:42 pm
It shouldn't be no big deal with the guys who said he can't play WR.  Some here said he's worthless at that position so I'm sure they're not gagging at him not playing the spot if he's too injured to play.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 17, 2011, 12:27:27 pm
For those of you expecting this turnout of the game, props to you, because I certainly wasn't.  I had Peppers out and gool ole' #68 starting on the OL along with newb safties adding up to a train wreck. Glad I was wrong. Wasn't that the only change to the line? Frank OMG riding pine? amazing what the impact one guy can have. BTW, #6 IMO= one of the best in the entire fcking league. Period. Anybody who doesn't think that way can go jump in Lake Michigan.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 17, 2011, 01:17:11 pm
It shouldn't be no big deal with the guys who said he can't play WR.  Some here said he's worthless at that position so I'm sure they're not gagging at him not playing the spot if he's too injured to play.

I don't recall anybody saying he can't play WR.  What I and others have said is he can't play WR consistently.  Right now he has the same number of catches as our undrafted rookie Dane Sanzenbacher but with 2 less TDs.

Some of that inconsistency is due to his patterns and hands and some is due to Martz' offense (before last night).

Hester can be valuable in spots.  Sending him deep opens up others and they should  throw to him on those deep patterns much more than they have had in the past.  But if its 3rd down and I need a catch I'd be hesitant to call his #.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 17, 2011, 01:19:52 pm
Hester isn't a #1 WR.
He is a #2 or #3 on most teams.
We don't have a true #1.
Williams has the size/speed but hasn't been a #1 either.

Honestly I think Bennett is about the closest thing we have to a #1.

Sometimes I wonder how Forte would do as a WR. He seems to be our best receiver anyway :-)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 17, 2011, 03:27:19 pm
Quote
As expected, the Bears O-line were able to do a good job holding off the Vikings vaunted pass rush.

WHAT??!? Did you actually say that,Dallas??? Most everyone within 100miles of Chicago were thinking this could be the game Cutler actually loses his head! As terrible,horrible as this line has played lately, it would be ridiculous to even  think they could control one of the top rush lines in the entire league!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 17, 2011, 03:30:12 pm
I don't remember the reasoning, but I do recall Dallas saying he thought they'd hold their own..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 17, 2011, 03:44:15 pm
Now if only they can stick to a similar game plan from here on out.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 17, 2011, 03:59:40 pm
Bears have played arguably 3 of the top NFL teams over the last month.   Even though the Vikings have an elite front 4 the rest of their team isn't at that same level.

The Vikings game was at home...friendly crowd and not in a dome.  Huge advantage for the Bears O-line.

Aside from the false starts Webb has been playing well as of late and so has Chris Williams.  The real surprise last night was the play of Lance Louis.  He doesn't have the prototype height of an NFL tackle but he's got quick feet.

Once Carimi and Spencer are healed Bears might consider dumping Omiyale and either bringing up Horn or finding the  best prospect of the O-lineman on the NFL's practice squads.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 17, 2011, 04:13:14 pm
I also was pleasantly surprised by how well Louis played.  He is a guard not a tackle but he did surprisingly well.  I am eager for Carimi to get back (I am guessing it will after the bye).  It would be nice to get the line solified with the five best.

I suspect Omiyale is done as a Bear.  They may keep him for now but after Carimi comes back I bet they cut him.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 17, 2011, 04:13:44 pm
It was due to switching out the right side of the line that they played well. Louis and Spencer made a world of difference. Had Omiterribad played,we'd be discussing the loss right about now. They also did alot of things different. More linemen in, TE's in, the RB and TE's chipping the DE's when they left the line. They did some smart things to help the blocking. Had they left things as they were last game,Cutler would be in the ICU now....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 17, 2011, 08:30:05 pm
why did it take so long to make the changes that took place this week?
We knew the line needed help and that Omiyale sucked.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 18, 2011, 11:12:08 am
Every prediction I made about this game was wrong.

But given the outcome I'm OK with that.

The Vikings are not as bad as they looked, nor are the Bears as good as they looked. It was just one of those "perfect storm" games where everything came together but it sure was fun to watch.  It was really nice to see the Bears look like a competent NFL team for the first time since Game 1. It will also be interesting to see if the Vikings hand the reins over to Ponder at this point and officially begin the rebuiliding process.

I also suspect the Bears realized they had badly underestimated the Lions and they were determined not to repeat that mistake for a 2nd week in a row.

Bears still have a serious uphill climb to make the playoffs but at least the season isn't over, which it would have been if we'd lost.  The Bucs are beatable but it will take the Bears firing on all cylinders and being able to overcome the hassles and distractions of traveling across the pond.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 18, 2011, 03:33:33 pm
I see that the Bears / Bucs game is scheduled for a standard (noon CT) start time on Sunday.

What will the actual game time be (London time), and does anyone know if that game will be televised nationwide on Fox or will the standard regional coverage rules apply?

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 18, 2011, 03:41:35 pm
I think it is a night game in London.  Noon here.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 18, 2011, 03:59:35 pm
Question answered...  this site tells you what games are scheduled for where.

http://www.the506.com/temp11.html

Looks like a pretty large portion of the country will be getting the London game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on October 18, 2011, 04:59:44 pm
Whats with that little patch of yellow in the middle of Texas. Why seattle/cleveland broadcast there?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on October 18, 2011, 06:11:47 pm
GB - Minn late Sunday.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 19, 2011, 06:26:17 am
I want to say that London is 7 hours ahead of the Central Time Zone, so I think it will be 7pm there...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 19, 2011, 07:16:46 am
Looks like it's 6 hrs ahead of central..

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=136
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 19, 2011, 11:10:30 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/19/bears-bucs-take-different-approaches-to-london-game/

Seems like the Bucs have the right idea here.  Are the McCaskeys too cheap to put the team up in London for a few days?

I hope this doesn't bite us in the azz.  The Bears have enough trouble putting together a decent game once every 3 or 4 weeks even without dealing with jet lag. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on October 19, 2011, 11:54:03 am
I wish that the NFL owners would forget about that game in England each year.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 19, 2011, 12:27:35 pm
Packrat, it is all about increasing revenue. If they can gain more fans and sell more jerseys they make more $$$.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 19, 2011, 12:39:36 pm
Plus, the guy that owns the Bucs also has Manchester United. I personally don't know what the hookup is, because after talking to some Brits I know, there is no way in hell they'll drop the game they invented (soccer or rugby) for American football. Just isn't goint to happen.  Loyalties are too fierce. Somebody like Indy 8 would have been hung one night over there.  Splits sometimes are down religous lines (Rangers/Celtics) and alot of times religous songs break out just prior to the riots. There leagues go deep, down three or four tiers, and if you have a bad year, BOOM! your in a lower league. I wish I could really get into the game but I just can't.  Boring as hell to me.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 19, 2011, 01:30:06 pm
26-13 Bears
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 19, 2011, 01:47:45 pm
A close, somewhat sloppy game with lots of FGs, I'm thinking.

23-19 Bears.

The Bucs warrant respect, having just beat the same Saints team that cleaned our clocks in Week 2.

OTOH the Bears showed a sense of urgency Sunday night and I would like to think that will carry across the pond and tip the balance in our favor.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on October 19, 2011, 02:22:14 pm
31-10 Bears
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 19, 2011, 03:16:39 pm
I think the Bears are going to be dragging from the time zone change.  It is tough to go to europe with the time change.  The Bucs experienced it and changed accordingly.  Maybe next time the Bears go to England they will go a day early. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 19, 2011, 03:23:53 pm
I disagree with the decision to keep the Bears in Chicago till the last minute, but they've got the bye week after this game to rest up so they need to man-up and get 'er done over there.

Huge difference heading into the bye week at 4-3 vs. 3-4. The Bears can only lose two or at the most three more games the rest of this season if they want a shot at the playoffs... not to mention the Bucs are a potential competitor with the Bears for a wildcard spot so getting the tiebreaker advantage over them is tremedously important.  We have already lost the tiebreaker edge against both the Lions and the Saints so if losses are going to come we would be much better off taking them against the AFC teams.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 19, 2011, 03:43:13 pm
I can't decide which is best, go up early and adjust to the time zone or sleep at home in your own bed and keep your standard routine as long as possible.

it could be they get there and try to operate on US time as much as possible.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 19, 2011, 03:53:49 pm
I suspect other than the financial aspect, the biggest reason the Bears are going over there late is to avoid as much as possible them getting into a "tourist" mindset, losing focus, having to deal with a lot of British media and potentially getting into trouble during their down time.  Also, British food is godawful so the less our players are exposed to that the better off they may be.

Lovie said, "this is a business trip" and I can respect that approach even if I think the jet lag issue will come in to play.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 19, 2011, 04:40:40 pm
Trib reports that Hester was held out of practice today,  but that Earl Bennett is participating fully.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 19, 2011, 06:14:47 pm
Score? I haven't the freakin' slightest idea....not one....given up trying to figure this psychotic team out.
But...since they haven't put two good games together yet,the curve swings towards big flop.....60% chance they revert to stupid....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 19, 2011, 08:09:04 pm
27-17 Bears.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 19, 2011, 08:30:53 pm
I hope Bennett practicing means he will play Sunday
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 19, 2011, 10:47:17 pm
60% chance they revert to stupid!  LOL!

Yeah I can see that but hope they don't.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 20, 2011, 05:33:54 am
I read a quote somewhere where Angelo and the team spoke with Belechik who recommended in his experience that it was better to go later.  And just saw the injury report where Kellen Winslow didn't practice due to non-injury reasons.  One can only speculate what that is...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 20, 2011, 08:03:38 am
Sportster, dead-on about the Bears not being able to put two good games together in a row.

The Bears under Lovie have always been bi-polar but their inconsistency seems to be especially pronounced this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 20, 2011, 09:28:28 am
Bi-polar is right.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 20, 2011, 09:51:47 am

I don't know about the bi-polar hogwash.  Bears are losing to the elite teams in the NFL:  Saints, Packers and Lions and beating the teams towards the the other end of the rankings:  Falcons, Vikes and Panthers.

If we played the Falcons, Vikes and the Panthers to open the season they'd be 3 and 0.  Whoopee.

Offensive line needs to continue showing stability and our safeties have to keep preventing the big plays.  Tampa is a meat and potatoes team - we should be able to match up with them on a neutral site.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on October 20, 2011, 10:01:52 am
Instead of preparing to go see my Bears in person fo the first time in years I will be stuck watching on TV. Stupid Glazer family and their London BS. I hope the Bears kick their a$$ in front of huge numbers of empty seats. Europe doesn't give a damn about american football.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 20, 2011, 10:03:39 am
In their 3 wins this season the Bears have scored 30, 34 and 39 and in two of those games (Falcons and Vikings) looked very good from total team point of view.

In their 3 losses the Bears have scored 13, 17 and 13 and in all of those games looked dreadful with abysmal offense and major defensive breakdowns.

Feels pretty schizophrenic to me.

I think that much like last year, the Bears will lose a couple of games that most would consider winnable (Philly, possibly, and maybe one of the AFC games), and counter-balance those with one or two upsets (rematch with the Lions), and wind up being in the playoff hunt at the end but needing a lot of things to break right with other teams from them to get back in.

The whole thing with the toughness of our early schedule, I'm taking with a grain of salt.  The only clearly elite team that we've played is the Packers.  The Saints and the Lions -- who both whupped us -- have both lost to teams who are no better than the Bears (those being the Niners and Bucs), and have shown vulnerabilties even in the games they've won.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on October 20, 2011, 10:04:47 am
I don't know about the bi-polar hogwash. 


Well said.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 20, 2011, 10:06:58 am
Offensive line needs to continue showing stability and our safeties have to keep preventing the big plays.  Tampa is a meat and potatoes team - we should be able to match up with them on a neutral site.

"should" is the key word there. Woulda, shoulda, coulda! Well we shall see. I certainly hope you are right. They need that W if there is any hope of the playoffs. Would I bet a penny on it happening? I am not that crazy.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 20, 2011, 10:19:10 am
If the Bucs are without their RB Blount that well help our cause a lot.

We need to get to Josh Freeman early and often.

The Bucs don't appear to be quite as on top of their game as they were last year, but they were still good enough to beat the Saints last week.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 20, 2011, 10:43:47 am

yapper

I'm saying the Packers, Lions and Saints are a helluva lot better than the Falcons, Panthers and Vikes.   

Any team in the NFL can be beat by the Bears on any week, but with the Bears problems on the O-line and now this weakness at safety there is no way we could beat those elite teams when we played them especially in the domes.

Bears seem to be settling down on the O-line and maybe they'll get the safety positions figured out.   And if we can keep away from major injuries, play balanced offense, and get some more production out of our DTs,  we got a shot at the playoffs - that's about as good as it gets when you got the Packers in your division.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 20, 2011, 10:56:39 am
Dallas, if the Bears make the playoffs you should be nthe next President of this country. IMHO for the Bears to make the playoffs they need to win almost every game from here on out. No letdowns, even beating the Pack in Lamblow and the Lionesses in Soldier. Thats how desperate I envision this game in London.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 20, 2011, 10:58:56 am
There are some rumblings out of Detroit that Jahvid Best may be done for the season due to concussion concerns.

I don't think losing Best necessarily sinks the Lions chances of making the playoffs but it makes our chances of beating them in the rematch a lot better. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 20, 2011, 11:00:17 am
Definitely better
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 20, 2011, 11:01:58 am
Re our Safety situation...  I thought Conte and Wright did a pretty good job against the Vikings... but McNabb was terrible and even when he threw good passes his WRs dropped them.  And when Ponder came in he was having quite a lot of success in the air game.  So I'm not ready to say our safety issues are solved just yet.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 20, 2011, 11:10:38 am
Bears at Buccaneers

Florio’s take:  If the Bears play like they did last week, the Bucs don’t have a chance.  But the last time the Bears looked great, against the Falcons, I fooled myself into thinking they could keep it up against a solid team from the NFC South.  The Bucs rebounded incredibly well from a thrashing in San Fran, and they’re not likely to continue to build on unlikely momentum that has taken them to the top of the division.

Florio’s pick:  Buccaneers 28, Bears 19.

Rosenthal’s take: The Bucs think that getting to London four days before the Bears will give them an advantage.  Another plus: Chicago didn’t magically solve their offensive problems in one win. Josh Freeman is coming off his best game of the season and can expose Chicago’s young safeties.

Rosenthal’s pick: Buccaneers 27, Bears 24.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 20, 2011, 11:12:31 am
Wshful

This team is real close to putting it together.  Add Carimi and put Louis back at guard and I think O-line will solidify.  Running game has already been coming around and Cutler is not having as many WTF throws as he did early last year.  Lots of potential for improvement and more production with Bennett, Knox and Williams.

Still not so sure about our safety play - I'd like to see Chris Harris back in the mix.  Also, I'd like to see more of Okoye and Paea than Adams and Toeaina.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 20, 2011, 01:11:57 pm
Wshful

This team is real close to putting it together.  Add Carimi and put Louis back at guard and I think O-line will solidify.  Running game has already been coming around and Cutler is not having as many WTF throws as he did early last year.  Lots of potential for improvement and more production with Bennett, Knox and Williams.

Still not so sure about our safety play - I'd like to see Chris Harris back in the mix.  Also, I'd like to see more of Okoye and Paea than Adams and Toeaina.

Why does it take 7-8 games for them to put it together. That looks like an 8-8 or 9-7 season. Thats not Superbowl good enough even with NFL parity. And certainly not good enough to draft playmakers high in the 1st round of the draft.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 20, 2011, 01:34:12 pm
I believe Toeaina sat out the Vikings game with a knee.  Not sure if he's expected to go against the Bucs or not.

When healthy he is easily one of our two best DTs with Okoye probably being the other one or possibly Melton. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on October 20, 2011, 06:56:41 pm
Barry Alarez faced a time-lag situation a few years ago when the
Bagers played the Spartans in Japan.  The Big Ten championship was riding on that game.

Alvarez had all of his players begin shifting their daytime schedules so by the time they flew to Japan to play the game they were on Japanese time.  They slaughtered Mich State.

The Bears making that large time change will be at a disadvantage, IMHO.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 20, 2011, 08:03:33 pm
Not really.  The Bears are keeping it business as usual.  The game is noon their time and they are keeping everything the same.  They are not making it a tourist trip like the Bucs are.  They are keeping the exact same schedule as always.   
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 20, 2011, 08:19:16 pm
Yeah but thats no 4 hr west coast flight. I dont know how long that flight is to London but there will be jet lag being cooped up in that plane. They will try at best to minimize the time difference but its still tough to deal with. I once spent 26 hrs in a plane.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 20, 2011, 08:23:54 pm
it looks like a 14-15 hr flight. I did notice one for 10 hrs.
You wonder if a flight like that they couldn't charter a jet and go on their own time.
Maybe get both teams on the same flight though that might be dangerous.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 20, 2011, 08:28:40 pm
Pretty sure they are leaving tonight so can sleep on the plane.  So if they keep business as usual the time difference makes very little difference.  Black out curtains for the win! 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 20, 2011, 08:29:23 pm
The Bucs are already over there.  They are doing tons of interviews and promotions.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 20, 2011, 08:49:11 pm
I hope we beat them like we did Minny!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 20, 2011, 09:00:09 pm
I hope they beat every single team from here on out like they did Minny.  My football life would much more pleasant.  But sadly I doubt that happens. 

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 21, 2011, 04:35:24 am
Ever try to sleep on a plane? Not good..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on October 21, 2011, 04:40:15 am
You need to DRINK more
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 21, 2011, 05:58:47 am
Exactly!  And it's free...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 21, 2011, 06:05:57 am
With Best in the lineup, and Carimi and Louis in their positions for the Bears - I don't call a Bears win in Chicago over Detroit an upset.  We played the Lions in their dome on a Monday night (with the Tigers in the playoffs), their first game on Monday night in about 10 years.  And oh by the way, they were also undefeated at the time.

We have lost to the best team in the NFL - right now, and two very good teams in their home domes.  Sky is not falling yet and we get another crack at the Lions so I am not conceding 2nd place just yet.  First place is probably not realistic without some major injury to a key player, cough..Rodgers..cough   :)

We need to beat the Bucs, take a week off to heal up and adjust the playbook, and move ahead.  I would agree that this Sunday's game is a huge one and determines the direction of the team for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 21, 2011, 08:30:48 am
yeah, 10-6 might not make it this year.
It would be awesome though if GB, Det and Chi got in this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 21, 2011, 10:04:34 am
If we managed to make the playoffs it would likely be the as the #6 seed and the Pack would likely be the 1.  If the Lions were the #3 seed then we'd have to play the Lions in the wildcard round and the Packers after that.  How weird would that be to face division rivals in two consecutive playoff games?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chiman on October 21, 2011, 10:11:39 am
Yapper, I don't think that can happen under that scenerio.... Lions would be a WC team and would not be in line for the #3 seed they would be a #5 seed with the Bears being the #6 seed.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 21, 2011, 11:00:44 am
Flying time from ORD to LHR is 7.5 hours.  They usually leave at night so people can sleep since they arrive in the morning.  Problem is when you get there, you are still so tired you just want to sleep.  If you do, that throws off the whole body clock.  You need to try and stay awake. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 21, 2011, 11:02:18 am
Chiman, you're right, thanks for the clarification.

I do think the odds are as good as any of three teams coming out of the NFC-N though, assuming the Bears can take care of business.

There's the Niners and everyone else in the NFC West this year, and the NFC East is just awful from top to bottom.  A second team could come out of the South I suppose but I haven't seen any team in that division that couldn't lose to practically anybody on a given Sunday.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 21, 2011, 02:56:07 pm
Bucs rb offically out. What's with Pompei? Another greasy whiny little **** column today. oooh! The Bears lose sleep! oooh!
None of those guys a that far removed from school all-nighters for what ever reason. They want to play, they'll play. They don't , they won't.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on October 21, 2011, 04:00:56 pm
The bears will finish 8-8.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 21, 2011, 04:31:09 pm
The Bears I saw Sunday night looked like a team that realizes they need to win almost every game from here on out to even be in the hunt.  Which was a welcome contrast to the team that lost to the Lions the previous Monday night and (with the exception of Forte and Cutler) looked like they couldn't care less.

Now, whether they can maintain that sense of urgency for two more months...  and whether they have the talent and depth irregardless of their sense of urgency...  remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on October 23, 2011, 03:08:39 pm
This is the worst play calling I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 23, 2011, 03:40:13 pm
You have to be talking about the plays called when the Bears were at the end zone. It was damn pathetic...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on October 23, 2011, 04:18:08 pm
Exactly...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 23, 2011, 04:28:16 pm
I think there is some kind of ego thing going on between Martz, Cutler and Tice.  If that is in fact the case fire Martz and make Tice the OC. 

Currently it seems Tice and Cutler are on the same page while Martz and Cutler are dueling it out even while on the field.  That can;t happen and I blame Lovie for allowing it.

Fire Martz and let's get on with it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 23, 2011, 04:31:35 pm
what the hell happened the second half? Lovie let fuktard free reign? what?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 23, 2011, 06:06:22 pm
On the way back from Minny and Mall of America. Didn't see the game. How'd they look? Standouts and flops? Heard some of the game and sounded like Conte had a decent one.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 24, 2011, 03:09:08 am
On the way back from Minny and Mall of America. Didn't see the game. How'd they look? Standouts and flops? Heard some of the game and sounded like Conte had a decent one.

 WE won. Conte picked one. No real flops on our team. They did good.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 24, 2011, 08:12:55 am
Props to the Bears for the win. Sure glad the game wasn't any longer though... jet lag definitely hit our boys in the 2nd half.

Forte was a stud once again. Cutler had his worst game of the season statistically but made the throws that had to be made. The OL was largely solid except for a wretched fail on 3rd and a short 1 toward the end of the game. The D was tremendous in the 1st half but tailed off a bit in the 2nd half.  4 picks of Josh Freeman is nothing to sneeze at though, and ultimately made the difference in the game.

Falcons did us a nice favor yesterday and if Stafford is out for any appreciable time we may have the chance to reclaim 2nd place in the division sooner than later.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 24, 2011, 09:19:00 am
Anyone notice the look on Cutlers face when that cute chick was singing the British national anthem?  Priceless. 

I dont know about anyone else, but when Major Wright gets back I am ready to let him replace Chris Harris again. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 24, 2011, 09:25:33 am
Chris Harris clearly is not 100% yet. He should have had that INT and I think he would have had had it if he were fully healthy.

Conte has had two more or less solid games now at the other S position so that's something to build on, anyway.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on October 24, 2011, 11:27:52 am
Anyone notice the look on Cutlers face when that cute chick was singing the British national anthem?  Priceless. 



Like Andy Dufraine in the warden's office in Shawshank Redemption...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 24, 2011, 12:07:04 pm
There's a lot to chew on ahead of our next matchup vs. the Eagles.

- It will be our third road game out of the last four, in which we are 2-1.

- It will be our fourth night game in a row, having gone 2-1 in the first three.

- We will have the longest stretch of rest possible, getting not only the bye week off but the following Sunday as well.

- Depending on how the Lions do against the Broncos next week, we could have the opportunity to tie them for 2nd place in the division ahead of the re-match at Soldiers on Nov. 13. 

- The Eagles, for their part, are perhaps the biggest surprise (in a bad way) of the season, currently at 2-4, winless at home and in the cellar of a weak NFC East division that many expected them to be winning with ease. We will be getting them on a short week, off a Monday night game in Philly against the Cowboys.

Bottom line, on paper at least, looks like a well rested and prepared Bears team with momentum and motivation, going against a disappointing and dysfunctional Eagles team that has been beating themselves this year and may not have much to play for by the time we get them.  Feels like a win for the Bears but these are two teams that always keep their fans guessing so it's a tough one to call.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on October 24, 2011, 12:59:42 pm
Lay the points, bet Philly. It's a must win for them.

Philly 27

Bear 16
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 24, 2011, 01:19:31 pm
It's a must win for the Bears though too. Chicago needs to be thinking 10 wins to make the playoffs and even that may not be enough depending on how the other divisions play out.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on October 24, 2011, 01:26:54 pm
It's not a must win in the same sense for the bears. If Philly falls to 3-5 every expectation they had for the season is done. The bear can lose this game and on Tuesday at lovie's presser, he states their .500 and a lot of football has yet to be played.

Bet Philly.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on October 24, 2011, 03:22:38 pm
Every expectation Philly had has long been shot...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 24, 2011, 03:26:44 pm
The Eagles feel like they are a hair-trigger away from imploding. Andy Reid seems to be about at the end of his run, there have been some rather unpleasant confrontations between players and fans, and there is precious little veteran leadership emerging on that team despite all the big-name, multimillion-dollar players on the roster. 

Best case scenario I can come up with is that the Cowboys put an epic primetime beatdown on the Eagles the week before we play them, which launches the Philly organization into a full-blown meltdown.

Then we come in with two full weeks of rest and mop up handily on national TV...   ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 24, 2011, 07:47:32 pm
Ah not so fast. I am not so sure of this but dont the Bears usually play flat coming out of the bye week? Maybe with the sense of urgency they do better but I am not sold that Otto isnt right about that score.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 24, 2011, 07:49:36 pm
Think I said not to give the Lions second place too early, like 7 games in... sheesh!  Some of you will have to tear down your altars already if Stafford is out.  This just in, Nick Fairley is fat.  Not the same player at Auburn.  I'll give him a pass given his broken leg coming into the season. 

Otts, what was your prediction for Bears and Bucs again?  Little foggy here...  Makes your prediction of the Bears/Eagles a little less convincing, Nostradamas...  Come to think of it, when was the last Bear's victory you predicted?  I mean in the 2000's...

Can someone "Conrad Dobler" Suh already?  Already got by Jeremy Youngblood of the Bucs, one of the dirtiest players around.  Logan Mankins won't be an option.  Who else is out there to clean this thug's clock?  Someone needs to fold this guy already.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 24, 2011, 11:46:30 pm
Think I said not to give the Lions second place too early, like 7 games in... sheesh!  Some of you will have to tear down your altars already if Stafford is out.  This just in, Nick Fairley is fat.  Not the same player at Auburn.  I'll give him a pass given his broken leg coming into the season. 

Otts, what was your prediction for Bears and Bucs again?  Little foggy here...  Makes your prediction of the Bears/Eagles a little less convincing, Nostradamas...  Come to think of it, when was the last Bear's victory you predicted?  I mean in the 2000's...

Can someone "Conrad Dobler" Suh already?  Already got by Jeremy Youngblood of the Bucs, one of the dirtiest players around.  Logan Mankins won't be an option.  Who else is out there to clean this thug's clock?  Someone needs to fold this guy already.

 Think if we had Carimi back he could take on Suh? That would be nice.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 25, 2011, 08:20:22 am
Ah not so fast. I am not so sure of this but dont the Bears usually play flat coming out of the bye week? Maybe with the sense of urgency they do better but I am not sold that Otto isnt right about that score.

No question, the Bears have dropped plenty of these "should win" games in the past.  I was just pointing out that there are quite a few trends and circumstances around this next game that should potentially anyway, be in the Bears' favor.  The Eagles have enough talent that if they decide they want to all pull together, they can still turn things around, especially in that very average division.  I would hate for the Bears to be the team they do it against. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 25, 2011, 09:52:58 am
This is the type of game these Bears tend to drop (or make more "interesting" by being leaving them in it) versus an opponent who is on the ropes and ready to implode.

There's not killer instinct in this team (hasn't been for many, many years now)- its get a lead and then hang on for dear life (see vs the Bucs for the latest example of the "art" of Lovie Ball).

It will at least be interesting to see if this team finally gets "IT" and dominates a team the whole game (like good teams do), or its just the same old tease over again.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 25, 2011, 11:01:22 am
I hope we can buck this trend...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/25/teams-coming-off-a-bye-are-3-9-this-year/
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 25, 2011, 02:16:48 pm
I didn't get to see the game, only the highlights but was it just me or did Urlacher look slow on his INT return?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 25, 2011, 02:23:10 pm
It wasn't one of his better efforts on the return...  and in fact we nearly gave it back when they ruled he fumbled it (which was overturned on review).

The pick itself, however, was pretty impressive.  Very similar to the play he made against the Falcons in Week 1.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 25, 2011, 03:25:02 pm

Urlacher isn't the same guy that used to cover sideline to sideline - he's quite a bit slower now.  But one thing he's doing better than he's ever done is anticipating where the QB is going to go with the ball. 

3 interceptions in 7 games!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 25, 2011, 03:47:36 pm
But one thing he's doing better than he's ever done is anticipating where the QB is going to go with the ball. 

Agreed. I have really been impressed this year by that part of his game especially. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 25, 2011, 07:58:38 pm
I hope we can buck this trend...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/25/teams-coming-off-a-bye-are-3-9-this-year/

Thats the kind of stuff I was referring to when I said we have a tendency to play flat coming out of the break.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on October 26, 2011, 04:38:02 am
I'm a little slow when I return to work after a vacation as well
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 26, 2011, 06:54:44 am
The week prior the Bears "dominated" the Vikings showing that killer instinct.  I was sick watching the Bears let the Bucs back in, but the same thing was happening with Vikes and Packers.  Any given Sunday, this isn't college football, most games always end up pretty close.  It is the rare 39-10 victory (or the Saints 62-7 over Colts) but they do happen.

The Bears are 4-1 after the Bye week over the last 5 seasons.  Just saying...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 26, 2011, 07:06:14 am
Urlacher has definitely lost at least a step and looks puffy.  As much as I hate to give Ray Lewis credit, he looks pretty much the same, though I think the talking heads go overboard on lavishing the praise.  He is not the same linebacker of 5 years ago to be sure.  His bravado keeps him in the news.  The one player I would love to pluck from the Ravens is Ed Reed.  Best safety to ever play in my opinion. 

Back to Url, what he has lost in speed and gained in weight, he has definitely shown better instincts and leadership.  There is no doubt who the defense looks to as their leader on the field, not the case just a few years back when he shied away from the leader label.  3 ints for a season for a linebacker is a solid season, 3 in half a season is incredible.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 26, 2011, 08:02:05 am
I haven't checked this, but with 3 INTs Urlacher is probably leading the team in that category at this point.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on October 26, 2011, 09:15:24 am
I haven't checked this, but with 3 INTs Urlacher is probably leading the team in that category at this point.

I think he is tied with DJ Moore
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on October 26, 2011, 09:57:32 am
The Bears need more consistency. As soon as they get up 2 scores, they seem to go into some wierd shell (or in Martz' case, throwing when they should be running). They need to put the kibosh on a staggering Eagles team that may have already packed its bags for the season.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 26, 2011, 10:05:54 am
I think that what happens to the Eagles in their next game (against the Cowboys) will have a huge impact on what kind of Philly team we face. If the 'Boys kill them then I think they'll pack it in for the year.  OTOH if they come out and beat the Cowboys, suddenly they have just as good a shot as anyone else in that mediocre division and they may come after us with guns blazing.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 26, 2011, 10:08:48 am
DJ Moore has been doing some good things for us.  He seems to be about the most instinctive player we've had back there since...  well...  that other guy that wore #30. I'm glad we stuck with him.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 26, 2011, 12:44:40 pm

DJ Moore is a good fit for the nickel back role.  He isn't real fast or real big but he's a sure not a strong tackler and has decent hands.  The position doesn't  often require him to go deep so he can freelance and take chances with support behind him.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 26, 2011, 11:46:29 pm
Man, don't bring up BROWNIE again......sigh.....doggone dang shame he couldn't stay healthy. What a player....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 27, 2011, 03:01:18 am

 I was suprised by Conte ... figured him as a wasted third round ST when we needed more OL in the draft.

 Word is Carimi and Bennett may be back for Philly.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 27, 2011, 08:05:41 am
Carimi against the Philly D-Line makes me nervous if he's not absolutely 100%.  And even if he's healthy it's virtually certain he won't be in game shape. I hope Tice is prepared to yank him in favor of Lance Louis if he struggles. 

Bennett coming back would be huge. He's been out too long already.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 27, 2011, 09:34:48 am
Martz said in the trib article that they weren't going to rush Carimi back.
They seem to have some chemistry building, would hate to mess that up.
That being said I think our line is better in December and January if Carimi and Louis are on the right side and getting more reps together now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 27, 2011, 09:37:41 am
Wow... can't say I saw this one coming.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/27/bears-release-veteran-chris-harris/

I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings picked him up.  They're in desperate need at S.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 27, 2011, 09:45:53 am
I was surprised about Harris also. He must have been stirring the pot.
I would have thought Merriwether would have been cut first, he costs more and I think Harris being a vet is guaranteed his contract since he was on the roster on opening day.

Also, Harris played well in our system before and seemed to be a good guy.
I would love though to see Merriwether get his head on straight and learn to play within the scheme.
Even if he doesn't take any more questionable shots, those receivers going over the middle never know when he might lay them out.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 27, 2011, 09:59:22 am
It may have been a mutual agreement between the Bears and Harris.

Lovie may have decided Chris Harris was no longer going to be a starter so rather than have him hanging out on the roster as a sub the rest of the season, they let him go figuring he'll pick up with another team pretty quickly and possibly as a starter.

I have seen a lot of really bad S play this year (not just by the Bears) so I'm pretty sure there are some teams out there that will give him a long look.  The Vikings and Texans coming immediately to mind.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 27, 2011, 10:38:12 am
After seeing this I read the Trib blurb on break.  Class act, did the right thing and said thanks for the chance to play and went looking elsewhere.  I've been there and I bet some of you have too.  You grit your teeth, smile, say thanks and move on.  Just as the players have a network, so do coaches. If your a jerk about it, coaches know about it almost instantly.  Something must have been brewing, he must have lost more than a step or two.  Cold business. When winning and contributing your "family".  Get hurt/old/mouthy and your gone.  Just like business come to think of it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 27, 2011, 11:29:21 am
Wow... can't say I saw this one coming.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/27/bears-release-veteran-chris-harris/

I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings picked him up.  They're in desperate need at S.

So thats the reason they brought in those 2 FA safetys for a tryout. I am surprised they cut Harris but not shocked seeing as he went to Angelo and demanded a trade.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 27, 2011, 05:44:59 pm

Harris messed up in his last 2 games.  In the TB game, I can recall off the top of my head 3 bad plays:  he gave up the long TD, gave up a long run inside and dropped a catchable INT.  I guess the Bears coaches have seen enough.   Maybe he has lost a step...I dunno...

But...are the other 2 guys (Wright and Merriweather) any better?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 27, 2011, 08:32:46 pm
How many times has Wright been embarrassed outright either over pursuing,taking the wrong angles or just getting totally juked out of his socks? Tired of seeing his inept replays on NFL network! There "may" be some hope with Conte. Other than that, I'm not seeing anything good happening back there....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 27, 2011, 08:36:59 pm
The difference is Wright is young and can learn.  Harris was as good as he was going to get and was playing terrible.

If both guys are going to make mistakes you go with the younger more athletic safety.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 27, 2011, 10:17:20 pm
But I am not getting the love for Merriweather either.  For what we are paying the guy like 3+ Mill he ought to be all world and he isnt.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on October 27, 2011, 10:47:18 pm
He brings the pain.  He is our enforcer.  Heck put him in and say take out that WR.  That is what he is for.

He hurts WR's and gets in their head.  Let him play a few plays a game and if he gets one big hit it is worth it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 27, 2011, 11:24:55 pm
But I am not getting the love for Merriweather either.  For what we are paying the guy like 3+ Mill he ought to be all world and he isnt.
He brings the pain.  He is our enforcer.  Heck put him in and say take out that WR.  That is what he is for.

He hurts WR's and gets in their head.  Let him play a few plays a game and if he gets one big hit it is worth it.

 If he was around for last year and knocked out any G.B. WR in the playoffs with a cheap shot and got ejected ...

 mission accomplished.
 
 Bears pick up his fine out of the Halas Hall slushfund.

 REAL football teams play for keeps in the playoffs ... ask Cutler.

 It's a dirty business when alot of money is on the line.

 With all the new rules, Doug Plank could not play today. (12th rounder in 1975)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on October 27, 2011, 11:28:55 pm
Well, he is either THAT or a misguided, misaimed flying missile. I subscribe to the notion that he needs to calm down and concentrate on a targeted response to what he does. With him it's more a Ready, FIRE, Aim approach....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 27, 2011, 11:58:39 pm
Well, he is either THAT or a misguided, misaimed flying missile. I subscribe to the notion that he needs to calm down and concentrate on a targeted response to what he does. With him it's more a Ready, FIRE, Aim approach....

 Either way works.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 28, 2011, 09:13:00 am
Well Merriweather is out of position much of the time and cant cover well. I just dont get the love. I can see why the Pats cut him
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on October 28, 2011, 09:59:31 am
Have you seen how the Pats defense rates since they cut him?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on October 28, 2011, 07:53:39 pm
Yes, but is that the reason they are bad. There is obviously more to it than that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on October 29, 2011, 07:17:41 am
Haynesworth doesn't seem to be helping. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 31, 2011, 09:57:07 am
Well so much for catching an Eagles team on the ropes. They looked elite against the Cowboys last night.

Looks like we'll be catching them at full strength and full of swagger.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 31, 2011, 10:58:04 am
we need to beat a good team at the top of their game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on October 31, 2011, 11:18:43 am
I'm losing no sleep over the loss of Harris..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 31, 2011, 11:40:43 am

Eagles looked like the team that was hyped up in the offseason.  The Cowboys game was a big game for them coming off their bye though I don't expect a big letdown when they face the Bears next Monday night.

Their defense is setup to stop the pass with 2 top flight DEs and 2 top flight CBs.  Bears will have to be patient and stick with the running game.  That's assuming our defense can keep the clamps on Vick, McCoy, Maclin, Selek, Jackson...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 31, 2011, 01:01:12 pm
Mike Martz  not to abandon the running game for the pass? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............. Bear falls behind it'll end up 80 passes 3 running attempts and Cutler on Ir in a coma.  " we were forced to pass", said OC martz on his way to his office to text Cutler's next of kin.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 31, 2011, 01:33:32 pm
I don't care how much talent the Eagles have -- and they have a lot -- but there is no excuse for the Bears to come out flat or unprepared next Monday night.

They'll have had two full weeks plus a day for the players to rest up and get healthy, and for the coaches to gameplan. That's the most downtime a team can possibly get during the regular season. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on October 31, 2011, 04:05:53 pm

You should care how much talent the Eagles have - that's usually what determines victory in the NFL.

Bears will have the extra week to prepare and hopefully they'll use it to get Bennett and Carimi into the game plan and come up with some new things that the Eagles haven't seen before.

I can't recall seeing a team so juiced up as the Eagles were last night.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on October 31, 2011, 04:42:54 pm
Vick just kept making completion after completion. Disgusting. That Ryan guy may not know it, but his next plane flight might just be outta big D.  It's bad enough down there if the Boys lose, but to get thumped like that by a division rival is simply not acceptable. Jerry should have sobered up long enough to realize he needed to keep Jimmie Johnson.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on October 31, 2011, 06:04:17 pm
From what I've been reading I don't think it's a done deal by any stretch that Carimi will be back in the lineup. #1 he has to be healthy enough to go and #2 the coaches have to be convinced that he's enough of an improvement over Lance Louis that it's worth disrupting the lineup yet again from a combination that has enjoyed some success the past couple of games.

Either that or the Bears coaches are trying to keep the Eagles DC guessing. It honestly wouldn't surprise me to see either Carimi or Louis at RT come Sunday.  With one giving way to the other if the first guy isn't getting it done.

Earl Bennett, hell yeah get him back in there already. Eagles are wall-to-wall with studs at CB so we need all the reliable receiving talent we can get on the field.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on October 31, 2011, 08:35:44 pm
Carimi might come in as a 3rd T at times.
I wonder can he catch a dumpoff :-)

I can see Martz doing something like that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on October 31, 2011, 11:54:15 pm

 Well we just found out who LeSean McCoy is, thats Urlacher and Briggs to stop right there.

 Lets get back to what worked against Vick ... DL push.

 Collapse the pocket and Vick will run around ... dedicate a DB or two to get to him.

 IF ... the DL collapses the pocket ... all done on timing.  ;D

 BTW ... the iggles was getting lanes opened with their TE to block for McCoy.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 01, 2011, 11:10:34 am
According to this article today, Carimi will get another week of rest with Lance Louis starging at RT against the Eagles:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-louis-willing-to-tackle-any-assignment-20111101,0,4721364.story

This feels like the right decision to me but if Louis struggles early I wouldn't be opposed to yanking him mid-game in favor of Carimi.  The big question on Carimi is not only the status of his knee, but his conditioning in general after several weeks of inactivity.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 01, 2011, 01:05:13 pm
If Carimi is ready he plays.  If not this week next.  Louis is just keeping the position warm for Carimi.

Whoever plays Monday night will get a huge test - Babin has to be the best pass rushing LDE in the league.

As for Carimi running tackle elgibles - I don't think he needs linebackers diving at his knees attempting to tackle him right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 01, 2011, 01:18:29 pm
Frankly with a speed rusher like Babin, I like our chances with Louis at RT better than if Babin were on the other side giving Webb fits all night.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: wmljohn on November 01, 2011, 01:56:39 pm
I think we should give Omiyale another shot. ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 01, 2011, 03:54:35 pm
Bite your tongue. Hard.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 01, 2011, 05:55:32 pm

Webb will have his hands full with another speed rusher, Trent Cole.   Both tackles could be overmatched at times - Martz will have to mix up the play calling and provide occassional help to the guys on the outside.

This is a BIG game - you know, just like every game this season.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 02, 2011, 08:06:48 am
If we can't establish the run early against the Eagles, I think we're pretty much screwed.

I also question whether we have enough healthy talent on D at this point to match up with all their weapons on offense.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 02, 2011, 09:30:49 am

Very few teams, if any, have the talent to match up with the Eagles offense - I believe they are #1 in the NFL (yardage wise).

Who is not healthy on our defense?  Peppers was banged up but should have benefited from a couple weeks off.  Hadn't heard anything about Wright - just assumed he'll be good to go.

And can't say we've really missed Toeaina.  It will be interesting to see what DT goes inactive when he comes back.  Paea needs to play.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 02, 2011, 09:48:13 am
Regarding our defensive talent/depth, my biggest concerns are at safety, and on the DL. Containing Vick is likely to wear our D-Linemen out so we need all hands on deck there.

The Eagles OL was pretty shaky for awhile but they've gotten a couple of players back and seem to have shored things up.

Re our running game, it has become clear that Cutler is deadly (in a good way) on play action and that's the biggest reason Forte needs to be a threat on the ground early.  We won't beat the Eagles strictly by running the ball, but if we can effectively mix up run and pass we have a good chance to score the points necessary to win.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 02, 2011, 02:29:42 pm
We've got a good shot if Forte can get going. He will be the key to this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 02, 2011, 02:31:01 pm
PS..the word wrap deal isn't working right on my screen. It shows a scroll bar underneath longer posts? What's with that? Changed font size,helped a bit then went right back to doing it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on November 02, 2011, 02:32:29 pm
its god telling you to shorten your posts.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on November 02, 2011, 02:37:56 pm
Sporty doesn't listen to gods Otto, he only listens to the big God with the big G.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 02, 2011, 02:51:37 pm
Yeah I've been experiencing the scroll bar thing too.  Intermittently though...  sometimes it's there, other times the wrapping works fine. 

Weird.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 02, 2011, 02:54:30 pm
Quote
its god telling you to shorten your posts.

Heck,I can do one complete sentence that BARELY wraps and the thing pops a scroll bar,lol.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 02, 2011, 03:40:33 pm
We've got a good shot if Forte can get going. He will be the key to this game.

Agreed, and I think we have a decent chance of getting Forte going. The Eagles DL is extremely athletic but they are small... 270-lb DEs and DTs that barely crack 300.  Meanwhile, our OL is bigger and stronger than we've been in years. On top of that, the Eagles LB corps is the weakest unit on their D and arguably, on their entire team.  So if we can open holes at the line and let Forte get free into the 2nd level, I think we can do some damage.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 02, 2011, 04:24:48 pm

I noticed that not only do the Eagle DEs take extremely wide splits they also get in these awkward looking 4 point track stances.  This is an invitation for Martz to run at them - even on 3rd downs with 4 or 5 to go.

I'm as much concerned about their talented CBs as I am their DEs.  It will be tough to get the ball to Knox, Hester and Williams.  This might be a game where we try to feature the TE more as well as a lot of short passes/screens to Forte.

Nice game to have Bennett back - he will be needed.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 02, 2011, 04:39:10 pm
I totally agree the Eagles D is one that Forte could just shred through the air as well as hopefully on the ground.

As far as those high-dollar Eagles CBs, one thing that may soften them up is if we can get Forte to the 2nd level and make them make a lot of tackles.

OTOH if Martz is gonna rely on Hester and Knox making a lot of plays downfield against this D, then I think we're gonna find ourselves in a big hole in a hurry. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 03, 2011, 12:55:54 am
Yea,those DE stances are bizarre looking. To the point of almost looking retarded,lol. How they could get into a sturdy stance to defend the run coming at them would be interesting to say the least.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on November 03, 2011, 07:36:23 am
I saw part of the PHilly/Dallas game and if I understood the announcers they used a more conventional alignment against the cowboys because they were getting gashed by the running game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 03, 2011, 11:43:51 am

The Eagles did give up some runs against the Cowboys but when the Cowboys did pass the Eagles had way too much pressure.  And then the Eagles offense gets a few quick scores and their defense doesn't give a damn about giving up a few yards on the ground.

That's why I said earlier that we have to stick to the running game and be smart when we pass AND our defense has to keep the Eagles from getting a big lead early and taking us out of our offense. 

It's not going to be easy.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 03, 2011, 12:46:49 pm
That's why I said earlier that we have to stick to the running game and be smart when we pass AND our defense has to keep the Eagles from getting a big lead early and taking us out of our offense.

Yup, that has been our formula for failure...  D gives up a couple of big early scoring plays, Martz panics and dials up the all-out deep passing attack and everything goes to sh*t in a hurry.

Our offense does a decent job protecting the lead (most times)...  but is very bad at playing from behind.  It doesn't seem like they can absorb more than about 2 or 3 big defensive screwups a game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on November 03, 2011, 06:58:09 pm
If you have 5 good WRs, the best way to go after a team like Phi, who has 3 good CBs is to go 4-wide or 5-wide and challenge their back-up CBs and Safeties with your #4 and #5 WRs.

Also, this is a situation that might be exploited by 2 or 3 TE formations.

Forte could play heavily into the receiving role against Phi.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 03, 2011, 07:00:01 pm
The eagles play their DE's very wide.  I think Forte and Barber are going to have some huge holes to run through.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on November 03, 2011, 07:00:32 pm
Agree.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 03, 2011, 08:54:06 pm
Except the Bears can't block for Cutler with four or five wideouts...it would be suicide
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 03, 2011, 09:18:50 pm
If the Bears go 4 or 5 wide they lose.  The game plan better be same as last on offense.  TE's in to block and run , run and run some more.  They can throw short quick stuff and mix in the mid to deep stuff later.

If our D shows up the Bears win.  If they give up a quick score and the offense has to play catch up game over.  Of course that can be said for any game this year.

By the way our offense is ranked quite a bit higher then our D. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 03, 2011, 10:30:29 pm
Martz's new formation- Cutler, Garza, and nine wideouts.             With a 12 step drop.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 04, 2011, 05:54:57 am
I don't want this to be the Sunday that it changes, but we have always had Vick's number.  We dominated the game last year, only to win it close, ala the Bucs.  It worries me that Martz is talking about Sanzenbachers role and that he'll start in 4 receiver sets.  Count me in on the camp to keep doing what we are doing offensively the last two weeks and not change who we are.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on November 04, 2011, 06:18:25 am
we need to give the ball to Forte, if that doesn't work give the ball to Barber, if that doesn't work give the ball to Forte. If that doesn't work we are screwed anyway. We might as well run it some more. :-)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 04, 2011, 07:19:07 am
Another thing that works against their good corners is lining up the recievers all in a bunch on one side. Makes it very hard for them to play man against a mob of recievers going every which way. Problem with that is ya gotta have a good Oline to hold their blocks long enough to get the recievers open.... we don't....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 04, 2011, 09:17:31 am
Play action, rollouts, shotgun formation and a whole lot of Forte both by ground and air.

That's the formula for success for this Bears offense.

The deep drop passes and gadget plays have failed so often it's ridiculous that Martz even calls them up anymore. Those are just wasted downs.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on November 04, 2011, 11:51:17 am
I don't want this to be the Sunday that it changes, but we have always had Vick's number. 


Good thing we dont play this sunday.  ;) 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 04, 2011, 11:49:18 pm

 THOSE were the Dallas Cowboys ... THESE are THE CHICAGO BEARS.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 05, 2011, 07:01:15 am
Boogie - Good one...  :)

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 05, 2011, 01:38:08 pm
Random thoughts:

Before our last game with the Eagles last year everybody was talking how ineffective Vick was when he was flushed to the side opposite of his throwing arm.   Haven't heard that this time.

Our defensive strategy in games against Vick was to spy Urlacher on him.  Not sure they can do that since .Urlacher doesn't have the same speed anymore to while Vick is still fast as ever.

When I said the Bears got to be smart when they pass the ball I'm not suggesting an ultra conservative passing game.  We got a deep ball to Hester against the Bucs...finally.  Why not try it again with Williams and Knox too?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 05, 2011, 02:49:20 pm
Don't under estimate Bennett being back.  I am thinking with him and Sazenbacher on the field at the same time the Bears should be able to pick up third downs much more effectively.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 05, 2011, 06:08:29 pm
Don't under estimate Bennett being back.  I am thinking with him and Sazenbacher on the field at the same time the Bears should be able to pick up third downs much more effectively.

 Is Bennett actually BACK ? Yes or No ?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 05, 2011, 06:43:16 pm
Yes he is.

The only Bears player on the injury report is Carimi who will either not play or only play a little.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on November 05, 2011, 06:45:55 pm
24-23 Bears
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 05, 2011, 09:32:40 pm
24-23 Bears

 No fuuucking way in hell am I calling this game ... not with us being 8 point underdogs.

 We do get Bennett back and Roy Williams actually scored a TD.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 06, 2011, 05:28:17 am
If we can score first and take their initial punch, we stand a good chance.  The key will be to maintain our composure early and try to get their offense to make mistakes.  Get up on them early and take McCoy out of the game.  Sounds scary, but make Vick beat us.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: boogie on November 06, 2011, 07:37:07 am
I heard yesterday Carimi is officially out.  And if we get up on them, then go into the prevent/nice guy dont shame them mode, I could see us losing that game. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on November 06, 2011, 02:43:03 pm
Their defense has been suspect all season.  We've also stopped some good RB's this season so I think we could handle McCoy.

I feel good about the Bears chances.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 07, 2011, 05:57:53 am
Everyone at the trib is picking the Eagles. 

McCoy worries me like Best.  Contain him for most of a close game and then boom, a home run.  WE really need to play with a lead in this one to stand a chance.  If we go down two scores, it will be a long night.

Bears 13 - 10
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 07, 2011, 08:08:22 am
If our D comes out flat and Martz goes into chuck-and-duck mode early, this could be a repeat of the primetime Giants game last year.

OTOH if we can frustrate their offense early and put up a couple quick scores of our own, I like our chances a lot better.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 07, 2011, 10:19:52 am
Our O-line will have a huge challenge going up against some pretty good individual pass rushers in Babin, Cole and our old friend Cullen Jenkins.  It looks like a huge mismatch on paper, but if Louis can hold his own against Babin the Bears could be OK. 

Even though the game is on the road...it's not in a dome and its on grass.  Plus the Eagles are not a heavy blitzing team from what I can tell.   Bears can keep a TE or Forte in and help out Webb and Louis occassionally.  Bears still have to be smart abour their play calling and try to stay out of those must pass situations.

As for Cutler, I'd like to see him move around more.  We know Vick can run...Cutler really hasn't much this year.  He's got some speed and can use it to pick up some yards with his feet when there isn't anything down field.   Unlike Vick Cutler needs to finish off his runs with a slide - no heroics needed. 

And oh yeah, Cutler's buddy #80 is back in the lineup.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 07, 2011, 10:54:58 am
I hope Cutler and Bennett have had a chance to get some serious reps in during this break.

Bennett's a good WR -- and hands down our best WR -- but with all the time he's missed and the precision demanded by Martz' offense, to think he can just step back in without missing a beat against top-shelf CBs is expecting a lot.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 07, 2011, 11:03:25 am

He was practicing and ready to go the week of the Buc game, but was a last minute scractch.  So he's been practicing at least 3 weeks with the team.

What he hasn't done is taken a hit or hit somebody in a couple of months.  Maybe he and Sanzenbacher split time...we'll see.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 07, 2011, 12:43:04 pm
I'm getting a bad feeling about this game.

I'm probably not gonna be in a position to watch it till at least mid-2nd quarter.  Hope we're still in it by then.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 07, 2011, 12:57:49 pm

Eagles are a very good team.  Sure they have 4 losses but those came against the Giants, Bills, 49ers and Falcons.

This is one of those games you hope Hester explodes or the Bears defense comes up with a bunch of turnovers.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on November 07, 2011, 01:08:30 pm
Turnovers and penalties - that will determine the winner
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 07, 2011, 01:16:14 pm
Cutler hasn't had a really bad game in a while...  that makes me nervous about tonight.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 07, 2011, 01:25:24 pm
Their defense has been suspect all season.  We've also stopped some good RB's this season so I think we could handle McCoy.

I feel good about the Bears chances.

I feel good about the Bears chances too, their chances to be beaten like a drum. I wish I were wrong but I just cant seem to drink any of that Bears Koolaid. Like said before, IF we stand a chance it will be if they get Forte going.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 01:38:09 pm
Hopefully they will compete. That's all I ask. I'm sick of the awful games.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 07, 2011, 01:50:57 pm
The handwriting on the wall says this will be an awful game. I'd love to be wrong.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 02:09:22 pm
Not sure I can bare to watch it. Hope it's not a awful game....uggh....

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pzUS7Z2DuNs/SuxshQuoZKI/AAAAAAAAAN0/kUQrNi11T-E/s320/cover+eyes.jpg)
(http://i1.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/250/draft_lens10490801module95270731photo_1271186165dog_covering_eyes.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fQMSpk55CXY/TjF6iPleGCI/AAAAAAAAAWM/lP14Ihm3Xkk/s1600/Screen+shot+2011-07-28+at+11.04.18+AM.png)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-u6kaN28bV9c/TjF9ZWDemEI/AAAAAAAAAWU/UKV94P7sMS8/s200/olmert_hands_cover_eyes.jpg)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on November 07, 2011, 02:36:50 pm
LOL!!

I'm the same way, not feeling real confident..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on November 07, 2011, 03:03:43 pm
Well, one thing is for sure, Peking will beech about the refs...and how Green Bay gets all the calls they deny the bears.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 03:25:10 pm
well, in Peke's defense....they do.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2011, 03:47:06 pm
For you d-bags writing off the Bears tonight, I have compiled a few alternatives for watching tonight...

ABC has Dancing With The Stars

E! has a Sex and the City marathon

Bravo has Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

Lifetime has Julie and Julia

As for me, I'll be watching the Bears!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 03:57:47 pm
What, no Logo channel?  Just asking.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 07, 2011, 04:00:46 pm
I consider the Eagles to be similar to the Saints in terms of overall talent level, team strengths and weaknesses, and coaching.  Our D started that Saints game in a coma, and they cleaned our clocks.

We will need to play the Eagles a hell of a lot better than we did the Saints for this game to be a winnable proposition.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on November 07, 2011, 04:03:01 pm
As a Green Bay Packer fan I'd love for the bear to win tonight...it just isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2011, 04:19:17 pm
**** off, cheesedick...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on November 07, 2011, 04:27:58 pm
Come bearfan...win and help the 8-0 Green Bay Packers.

Did I mention the Green Bay Packers are 8-0...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 07, 2011, 06:16:45 pm
Otto, lets not forget that wondrous catch at the 2 yard line where the receiver rolled into the endzone and they called it a touchdown Packers. Even a blind man could see the knee touch the ground on the 2, but even the replay booth called it a TD. And thats not biased referees favoring the Pack?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 06:28:51 pm
The Packers DB's interfere damn near every single play with the WR's yet are rarely called for it.  Their offensive line blatantly holds almost as often but also rarely get called for it.  If a Packer WR does not catch the ball there is a 50/50 chance PI will be called on the defender if there is any contact what so ever.

If I had a $100 dollars for everytime the Packers O-line has held Peppers and it was not called I could retire.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 06:31:01 pm
Funny everyone thinks the Eagles are a far superior team and will win easily.  If the Bears show up that we have seen the last few weeks the Bears win easily.  If the team that showed up against the Packers, Saints and Lions do the Bears will get owned.

I am looking forward to the game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 07:40:25 pm
go bears!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 07:48:15 pm
holy gazukas! road grader time!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 07:51:19 pm
TD!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 07:52:24 pm
7-0 Bears!  Great Drive!

I love it!

Now come on D.  Put the hammer on them.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Fearless Freep on November 07, 2011, 07:54:03 pm
Not that I didn't pick Forte for the NFC - but ... wow!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:00:18 pm
WTF is up with Goulde?  He hurt or something?

Bears D holds but damn.  The Eagles have some scary speed.

Bears O needs to keep pounding the ball on them.  We need a repeat of the last drive.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:09:45 pm
Damn that was a nice drive there for a bit.  At least they flipped the field position with it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:23:11 pm
That PI was a chikenshit call!

Eagles should of had to punt.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:25:36 pm
WRIGHT!!!!

Nice pick!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:26:11 pm
Briggs tipped it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:26:50 pm
The O needs to get some points here at least 3 if not 7.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 08:26:55 pm
need points. points,points,points.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 08:31:00 pm
That was a asinine call,so glad they picked that up!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 08:32:42 pm
Please keep the wildcat on the sidelines....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:33:41 pm
10-0 Bears.  I will take it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 08:33:50 pm
got 3. take it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 08:34:24 pm
Martz goin Wannstedt....AHHPP line up for the field goal,AHHHHP!! Last two play calls were bad....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:35:14 pm
Bennett has been huge for the Bears so far.

Felt like they should have tried to get the first and not just run it for a field goal.  But getting 3 is better then no points after the interception.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 08:35:48 pm
Seeing some confusion on the Eagles D. Anyone else notice that? Lots of looking around, and unsure motions.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 08:40:00 pm
fuk.peppers hurt.fuk
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:41:03 pm
Not good.  There goes our season.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 08:41:12 pm
Knee...that didn't look good. Let's hope he walks off and comes back...he's been pretty resilient
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2011, 08:46:12 pm
Peppers back in!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 08:46:59 pm
And guess who got Vick! LOL! PEPP!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 07, 2011, 08:47:34 pm
Peppers!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:48:12 pm
He is a tough SOB. 

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2011, 08:48:40 pm
Wonder when the pessimists are gonna give us a Dancing With The Stars update?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:49:50 pm
Run out the clock here or go for 7?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 08:50:16 pm
just as soon as i finish my half empty glass of beer and change the channe.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:51:16 pm
I can see an argument for both.   The O-line has been holding up pretty well.

But don't want to give them a cheap turnover and score before the half.

I would PA pass first down and then run if it didn't work.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:51:54 pm
How can that not be PI if the one on Wright was?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 08:53:31 pm
well,thats,that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 08:53:45 pm
well,thats,that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:53:50 pm
That is an incomplete pass.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 08:53:56 pm
well,thats,that.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 08:54:14 pm
Oh brother....tied game....and they get the ball second half. That was a terrible series...Sanzenbacher with a complete wiff of a catch attempt followed by a Forte fumble....sad....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:54:22 pm
Plus the Eagles should of been flagged for going at Cutlers knees.  The Brady rule.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 08:54:40 pm
one can hope
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 08:56:08 pm
Boy I dunno...that's pretty close....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:56:37 pm
It was moving constantly.  But I can see the call due to the call on the field.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 07, 2011, 08:56:54 pm
Well crap
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:57:45 pm
We better get a good return here or we are going to be tied with a team they dominated for a half.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 07, 2011, 08:58:06 pm
WTF is wrong with Martz?!  How can you not run in that series?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 08:58:26 pm
10 unanswered points...not good at all....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 08:58:56 pm
Give it to Forte three straight times unless he breaks one head to the locker room.

Should of done that last drive.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 08:59:41 pm
How bout that Dancing with Stars results now....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2011, 08:59:55 pm
Yep...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 07, 2011, 09:00:02 pm
Cutler has been inaccurate tonight.  Hard to fault Forte too much for that fumble.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 09:00:56 pm
This is getting stupid now.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 09:01:39 pm
Uh they drew our guys to false start that should of been on them also.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 09:02:17 pm
this is getting scripted. this is dumb
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 09:03:00 pm
Keystone Kop level.....Cutler,W T H.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 09:03:39 pm
bear ball!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 09:03:47 pm
WTF Cutler?

You had all kinds of protection and you are throwing it all over the place?  FUUUCK!
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 09:04:02 pm
BEARS BALL!!!!
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 09:04:36 pm
Not seen a bizarre end to a half like this in a long LONG time.....just bizarre....
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 09:06:12 pm
Ok....ok....now what? Wow...that hurts Beagles,huh....
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Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 07, 2011, 09:06:18 pm
RUN THE FREAKING BALL!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 09:07:23 pm
What now....another 12 guys? lol....they cannot challenge this!! What's Reid doing??
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Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 07, 2011, 09:08:17 pm
Bears have run three series since there was 1:59 on the clock and there is still time for the Eagles to make a run at some points.
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 09:08:34 pm
TD BEARS!!!
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 09:08:43 pm
BAM BAM TD!! BARBERBARIAN!!!!
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 09:13:53 pm
I'd be beside myself if I were a Beagles fan,man....lol...they just aren't with it at all.
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 09:39:16 pm
Tie game.

Wright should of made that tackle.  Unreal.
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Post by: stelz on November 07, 2011, 09:40:46 pm
That was a four point whiff by Wright.
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 09:41:22 pm
Yeah he sucks and needs to be replaced.
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 09:43:24 pm
This sucks! 
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 09:47:42 pm
Now Forte fumbles.  This will be overturned and given to the Eagles and the route is on.  FUUUUCK!
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 09:48:35 pm
I am so piiiisssed right now.   
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 09:50:33 pm
Two Forte blow its....wth Forte...hold on to the thing!!!!
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 09:52:23 pm
That's game boys and girls....is Dancing still on?  ::)
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 09:54:08 pm
We don't score here it is game over cause they are rolling on offense and defense right now.  The Bears can't do anything right.  Keystone Kops ****.
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Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 09:54:32 pm
like i said.............scripted. game over boys. wheels are off. the heroic eagles triumph. prepare for the obligitory pummling as the evil bears. fuking arseholes
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Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 07, 2011, 09:57:06 pm
Bears offense putrid tonight since the first drive.  Total failure at game management. 
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 09:57:51 pm
Cut Roy Williams right Fuuuucking NOW!
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Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 09:58:00 pm
of coursen  not return and an incomplete pass. neve mind the bumping
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Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2011, 09:59:05 pm
I've seen just about enough of Roy **** Williams...
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Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2011, 10:00:06 pm
Welcome back Earl!
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:00:12 pm
Never liked Williams...there ya go,Bennett!!!
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Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 10:00:25 pm
well that wasnt scripted.
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:01:15 pm
I'm not impressed with the Beagles...I think the Bears can still win this game.
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Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2011, 10:03:36 pm
And, just like that, a momentum killing time out.

They should have a handful of plays, depending on the personnel on the field at the time, where Cutler just says "**** it, if you can't get the play in on time, I'll just call one myself..."
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Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 10:05:55 pm
3rd and 1, andthey pass
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Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2011, 10:06:19 pm
That's your call on 3rd and 1? really?

Fuckin Martz...
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Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 10:06:32 pm
unfuking believable
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:06:55 pm
Not enough.....not enough.
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Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 07, 2011, 10:06:55 pm
Man, Cutler missing lots of open guys tonight.
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Post by: stelz on November 07, 2011, 10:07:08 pm
I hate that call on third and one
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Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2011, 10:07:42 pm
Horrible call...
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:10:57 pm
Huge drive here...HAVE to hold them to a FG at most....otherwise,Bears down 11 points...
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Post by: stelz on November 07, 2011, 10:12:31 pm
See that holding?
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:14:08 pm
Nothing Green Bay doesn't do al the time....
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:15:43 pm
Cutler made the Beagles look ridiculous on that play,lol....three of em piled on top of each other
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:16:40 pm
NOT impressed with the Beagles at all....
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Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 07, 2011, 10:17:55 pm
I love Bennett!
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Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 10:17:58 pm
yah yuh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:18:07 pm
Man that was a beauty....wow....
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 10:18:34 pm
TD BEARS!!!
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 10:19:16 pm
LOL!  Only the Bears throw a fade to a WR that short and it works.

Bears St and D need to step up here and shut em down.
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 10:20:27 pm
These refs are all over the place.  Every time I think they are in the Eagles corner they throw one our way.

Bears D just needs to get it done here.
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Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2011, 10:22:15 pm
Think Cutler missed Bennett?
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Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 10:23:35 pm
honestly, i got my wish. they're competing. win or lose they didn't laydown.
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Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2011, 10:24:27 pm
False start missed, then Idonije blows up McCoy...
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Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 10:26:32 pm
eggles blew the fake. time for a kill shot.
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:26:41 pm
Man,they had the Bears on that one....except it's a punter at QB,LOL
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Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 07, 2011, 10:26:46 pm
Bennett makes a huge difference!  Nice to have at least one WR with some hands.

What has happened to Johnny Knox?
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 10:26:54 pm
WOOT!!!
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 10:27:14 pm
A nice long drive for 7 here will go a long way!
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:29:24 pm
Forte's gonna have 200+ yards at this rate.....
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Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 10:31:45 pm
my god 3&2 throw & make it.
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:31:52 pm
We don't like Williams,right? lol....
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Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 07, 2011, 10:32:05 pm
Great pass protection and run blocking tonight.
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 10:34:31 pm
3rd and 11 coming up.  Cutler is on fire again.  But will the WR catch it. 
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 10:34:55 pm
Williams makes one good play for every two bad ones.
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Post by: stelz on November 07, 2011, 10:35:45 pm
Yes o-line best game of the year
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:38:13 pm
One play game...Bears make it,Beagles pretty much done for. Otherwise it's a nailbiter to the end.....
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:40:45 pm
Hands to the face? Is that a penalty anymore???
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Post by: stelz on November 07, 2011, 10:41:30 pm
Ok. Come on defense
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 10:42:00 pm
All on the D now.
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Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 10:42:14 pm
ugh. plenty of time,1 td. ugh.
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:43:23 pm
Hate this....bad return for Bears....
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Post by: Dave23 on November 07, 2011, 10:43:57 pm
Hope we don't pay for being passive once we got inside the 10...
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:44:59 pm
PASS RUSH?...anyone?? PEPPERS?????
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 10:46:30 pm
oh great. here comes the script. A hobbling Vick bravely...u get the point
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Post by: stelz on November 07, 2011, 10:47:01 pm
Come on!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:48:42 pm
One down and done....UGGHH>>GO BEARS!!!!!!
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Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 10:49:04 pm
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:50:48 pm
BEARSWIN!!!!!
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:52:50 pm
They aren't gonna have ANY time left for squat except return and maybe one play that has to go the entire length of the field....toss and catch ending.
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:53:41 pm
One play...Peppers time!!! Pepp can tee off now
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Post by: Sportster on November 07, 2011, 10:54:46 pm
That was about as LAME a ending as could be imagined......Beagles fans gotta be besides themselves with anger. That was so pathetic. NO shot downfield.....unreal
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Post by: Pekin on November 07, 2011, 10:55:07 pm
BEARS WIN!!!
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Post by: 46 on November 07, 2011, 10:55:54 pm
wow. i thought it was game over, Bears are offically a team that can come back on the road and win. Dream team that!!!
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Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 07, 2011, 11:00:14 pm
Great win!

How can you take Louis off the RT right now?
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Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 07, 2011, 11:01:17 pm
And Spencer has been terrific as well.
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Post by: BearFan on November 07, 2011, 11:06:52 pm
Nice team win...
 ;D
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Post by: davep on November 07, 2011, 11:09:35 pm
Just like last year, the OL is coming on strong in the second half.

Too late to do any good this year.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 07, 2011, 11:15:05 pm
I don't post during a game, credit to those that do.

But...  where do the naysayers go during the game or after?  Check in.  We win.  You know who you are right?  Vanderbilt represent!!!
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 07, 2011, 11:20:15 pm
Sorry, just get a little ...  We're all Bear fans. some just more critical then others...  WE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: davebear on November 07, 2011, 11:28:49 pm
Wow, amazed what a good job the coaches did, who was that team.

Toub??? not covering the gunners on that fake punt play?  What's going on??  No coach or player called time out???

Good thing the Eagles punter peed his pants.

Was that our OL.??    What does Tice do during the Bye that can't be done during training camp?

These guys can run block the edges like crazy.   ZERO sacks tonight!

Was that Lance Louis??? Number 60, where does Carimi play now?

Thank you Rod Marinelli for finally working to confuse the offense disguising coverages.   Where have you been.??
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 07, 2011, 11:35:23 pm
Ring.........  Ring........  "Hello, this is Michael"  Michael, we have your number.  "Really, I'm Michael Vick"  Yah, how's that working for yah? 
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Post by: davebear on November 07, 2011, 11:42:38 pm
How about those DB's not getting burned downfield.

all the experts were sure the Eagles speed was going to kill.   NYET!!
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Post by: Phill23 on November 08, 2011, 12:12:35 am
For you d-bags writing off the Bears tonight, I have compiled a few alternatives for watching tonight...

ABC has Dancing With The Stars

E! has a Sex and the City marathon

Bravo has Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

Lifetime has Julie and Julia

As for me, I'll be watching the Bears!

Best post of the year.
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Post by: chifaninva on November 08, 2011, 05:03:33 am
I'll admit, I had a bad feeling about the game. They have been known to come out flat after a bye, then, the Eagles have been somewhat of a hot team. I Haven't watched play by play yet (no Dave, I didn't watch dancing with the stars, I tried watching the back of my eyelids, my alarm goes off at 4 A:M), kept waking up and checking the score, then woke up and saw the highlights after the game.

Yes, the o line looked good, but how about all the roll outs? That's what I'm talking about.

Great win!!
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Post by: stelz on November 08, 2011, 06:38:57 am
Awesome feeling, great win!!!!
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Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2011, 06:45:33 am
Yea,quite a few rollouts. Bears had their D's number last night for sure. Some of Forte's runs he barely got touched! Beagles are entirely smoke and mirrors. They have players that are not playing with intensity,especially in the secondary. They've got players,now. They aren't slouches BUT the effort last night was so half-hearted to be laughable. Their key to the second half is intensity. Do they want it? It's not going to be given to them or 'annointed' like they had thought.

As for the Bears.....Tice,touch this Oline lineup....and I kill ya..... it is EXACTLY what and where it should be presently, DO NOT SCREW IT UP! Carimi can watch for awhile and learn....
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Post by: WshflThinking on November 08, 2011, 06:48:37 am
Unbelievably good game. That fake punt sure could have hurt us. I agree with Chifan about the Bears coming out flat out of the break. We sure didnt last night. I was impressed We did get more pressure than I expected and the OLine did a decent job. I also thought Gruden gave the Bears a lot of props on national TV for their personnel.
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 08, 2011, 07:45:01 am
Again, let's set the record straight.  The Bears are now 5-1 after a bye in the past 6 years.  That is not flat.  That is a positive trend.  It's okay to embrace that fact now.

The Eagles maybe looked like they didn't want it, but I would say that the offensive line laid down the smack and they didn't like it.  After witnessing it last night, I wouldn't be in a rush to get Carimi in.  Who do you sit?  Everyone out there is performing.  How did Spencer end up on Seattle's cast off pile?  Chris Williams is a nice athletic guard and Webb just looks like he is growing into his position.  I like the quote from Tice on Webb.  "You're the biggest and most athletic lineman out there.  Play like it!"  Not word for word, but something to the effect.  Are we seeing great coaching maximizing poor talent, or are we seeing talent mature and being coached?

Is anyone still missing Kreutz? Not only is Garza playing solid ball at center, the subtraction of Kreutz has allowed Cutler to elevate into the leader role.  Is there any doubt who now has the huddle?

For once, I would like to see that effort against the Packers.

I didn't have a great feeling about this game going in early either.  I thought the Eagles were starting to peak, Monday night, their home field.  A really nice win. 

And for those of you out there with your Lions altars, the great Suh and Farley and Vandenbosh gods await us this Sunday - the insurmountable defensive line of all time.  More than the Packers, I so want to punch this next media glamour team in the mouth and let the Packers feel the breath of the Bear on their collective necks!

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Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2011, 07:46:40 am
Honestly, I was getting embarrassed by all the love Gruden was giving. He couldn't have given Briggs anymore love if he'd have kissed him on the lips,lol! Bears did some very good things and did some things that definately need improving,such as catching the ball! Too many great plays left on the field from dropped passes. But the return of Bennett I believe is a huge factor for this team. He and Cutler just have it down pat....great combo.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 08, 2011, 07:50:27 am
Where did Otto go?   ???
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2011, 07:51:35 am
Doubtful we'll catch the Pack but we definately could get one of the wildcard spots yet....time will tell. LOTS of football left yet....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 08, 2011, 07:54:38 am
What a TEAM victory.  The defense was relentless.   Aside from Green Bay, I don't think the Bears will face any team the rest of the season with more talent on offense than the Eagles have.  DeSean McCoy was the only Eagle that really hurt them last night as Vick, Jackson, and Maclin were held in check.
 
Offensive line had exceptional performance...very physical.  Martz helped them out on numerous pass plays but they held their own on the one-on-one blocks when they had to.   I think I heard Jason Babin's name once - Louis neutralized him and Webb did the same to Trent Cole. 

Can't believe Angelo drafted offensive line in the first round last year!  Can Carimi play RT better than Louis - if he can then Louis goes back to RG - wow.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 08, 2011, 07:55:27 am
If I was an Eagles fan I would probably be ticked off by Gruden last night.  He was so pro Bears, it was undeniable.  Good to hear a broadcast that isn't scrutinizing Cutler's facial expressions or his petulance, or how far he is standing away from his team, or why is he sitting on the bench.  Gruden went overboard, and I loved it!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 08, 2011, 07:58:56 am
Not saying we will catch the Pack in the standings, I just want us to be on their heels and give them something to think about.  They are clearly the best team right now, but so were the Patriots that one year until the last game.  Get to the playoffs, that is all.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on November 08, 2011, 07:59:42 am
outside of the 2 Forte fumbles and the fact that we had like 0 return yards I think we played likely the best game of the year last night.
If Forte holds on to the ball (I think the one on that catch was more on Cutler) you take away 2 scores from them and we likely get another score.

Martz and Tice seem to have gotten on the same page. More quick throws and runs but still a few long plays and deep drops sprinkled in there. I just wish we could get the play in faster on O. I think that would help Cutler a lot with getting more pre D reads.
When there is 1 sec on the play clock and Cutler calls "hut", the D knows the snap count. That doesn't help anyone.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on November 08, 2011, 08:00:20 am
Chucky knows he can't say anything about anyone's facial expressions.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 08, 2011, 08:09:02 am
Any word on Hester's injury?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2011, 08:12:26 am
There were a few plays that the Bears Oline and TE's just destroyed the Beagles Dline. I remember one vividly...it was a run to the right and Davis was on that end. The RT got on their end and Davis just came over and completely compacted that entire side of their line,just destroyed it. Forte ran by unmolested...it was a thing of beauty to watch....
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Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 08, 2011, 08:21:24 am
Sporty - Good recollection of that play.  I have wondered before why we don't do that to Matthews?  Just flat out pancake him...  I'd love to see more if it...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on November 08, 2011, 08:22:30 am
that one draw play that PHI ran on us over and over was about the only thing they could do with any success and then that one time Izzy sniffed it out and blew McCoy up. He might get fined for that hit.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 08, 2011, 08:24:00 am
Oh, frick yeah!  Forgot, Izzy was a beast out there last night!  He was bringin' the wood big time
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2011, 08:24:50 am
I do not at all like the Dline scheme the Beagles are running. That wide set on the ends and ridiculous sprint set made it so easy for the Bears to exploit. All either the RT or Davis had to do was stand up,and turn the guy outside and Forte runs right through the hole.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 08, 2011, 08:27:52 am
That was a good game, entertaining  to watch (and not just because the Bears won).

An Eagles fan of mine sent me an email with the headline for the Philly sports papers today:

"Joe Frazier, Eagles Playoff Hopes Die Monday Night."

Tough fans ! :D

Martz has to scrap the wildcat BS BTW. That is a wasted play for a team that should not be wasting plays......
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on November 08, 2011, 08:39:54 am
If I am going to run the wildcat I want Hester back there instead of Bennett.
I don't think Bennett scares anyone.
Sure he will get open and make the catch and then get tackled but he doesn't keep anyone awake at night.

my other beef is that Cutler seemed to be on a roll at that time. It seems like an odd time to run the WC.
I'm all for staying with the hot hand or the hot back until they stop them.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 08, 2011, 08:41:38 am
Great win by the Bears.  A quality win against a very talented team that is a lot better than their record.

Forte's fumbles have to be considered an aberration. He still had another hell of a game. IIRC his ypc was north of 6 for much of the game and finished somewhere in the mid-5's.  That, folks, is getting it done on the ground. Barber earned his pay last night too.

Cutler just found ways to get it done.  A couple of those plays he salvaged were just... wow.  Not throwing an INT all night was absolutely key to the win as it was all we could do to absorb the two fumbles.

OL...  mad props.  Some of those edge runs I was sure would be called back for holding cause you just don't see RBs getting outside against NFL D's like that anymore. Nothing against Carimi but I see absolutely no reason to rush him back the way the current front 5 is playing. I really liked seeing our OL get after it.  Lance Louis in particular plays right up to the whistle if not beyond and I think that "edge" has elevated the play of the entire unit.

D...  came out flat on the first Eagles possession of the 3rd quarter, but other than that, solid. McCoy hurt us quite a bit, and the pass rush fell off dramatically in the 2nd half, but we did a good job on their WRs.  Was nice to see Vick take some punishment although I missed most of the first half when we were really bringing it.

STs...  good work, except for the lack of awareness on that failed fake punt that could have cost us dearly.  Would have liked to see more return yards but when we really needed the short field late in the game, Hester came through.

Now come the Lions in a game that's absolutely huge for our playoff chances.  If they are still without Best and the Bears can ride the momentum of this last game, I like our chances.  The Bears D in particular was humiliated in Detroit and I think they'll be out for redemption on Sunday.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on November 08, 2011, 09:05:05 am
If I am going to run the wildcat I want Hester back there instead of Bennett.
I don't think Bennett scares anyone.
Sure he will get open and make the catch and then get tackled but he doesn't keep anyone awake at night.

my other beef is that Cutler seemed to be on a roll at that time. It seems like an odd time to run the WC.
I'm all for staying with the hot hand or the hot back until they stop them.

Didn't that play immediately follow Cutler falling down and losing the ball? If he got stepped on or something he may have been a little gimpy and that play call gave him a quick breather without having to waste a timeout. Can't think of any other explanation for it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 08, 2011, 09:20:27 am
I loved  it when the camera showed Louis finishing a block, grinding the Philly player in the dirt.  That line got mean.  Don't change nuttin. The 46 is still swimming in Bear euphoria. I'll be back when I get out of the lake.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on November 08, 2011, 09:34:36 am
yeah it was a thing of beauty....Prime Time... 8 point underdogs.....Ditka the only

espn pundit to pick the Bears.... The E-A-G-L-E-S fans were in shock, quiet as church mice.   The great Eagles speed negated
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 08, 2011, 09:41:11 am
If I were the Eagles fans I would be griping especially loud about their WR duo of Maclin and DeSean Jackson, both of whom would be considered by many to be superior to any WR on the Bears roster.  Those two really let their team down last night.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 08, 2011, 09:43:51 am
Ditka always chooses the Bears!  Love it!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on November 08, 2011, 09:44:39 am
They were covered Yapper, Vick was looking for them all night

They made some bad plays but our corners and  ... yes... safeties held them in check.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 08, 2011, 09:47:19 am
I don't think Bennett scares anyone.
Sure he will get open and make the catch and then get tackled but he doesn't keep anyone awake at night.


Let's keep it that way.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 08, 2011, 09:49:33 am
Dallas - Agreed, nothing to see here.  Move along.  He needs to ditch those orange shoes and go back to basic black.  He needs to look slower... more forgetable.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 08, 2011, 09:51:54 am
safeties held them in check.

I'm happy to see how fast Conte appears to be growing into his role.  Wright had some really good plays and some really bad ones last night and I think he's one of those players who's always gonna have the potential to give you both ends of the spectrum.

Except for a couple of longer McCoy runs I thought our D looked fast last night, and they were definitely putting on the hits. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 08, 2011, 10:13:44 am
Just saw the replay of the Major Wright interception.  After Wright intercepts, watch behind him.  Desean Jackson is closing from behind, a couple of Bears peel back to block him, and he goes down like he was shot - untouched- literally in the fetal position!  Priceless!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 08, 2011, 10:17:28 am
Yeah, McCoy made both Conte and Wright look bad on several occassions.  But it just wasn't our safeties.  McCoy does it to the entire league week in and week out - he's going to have an occassional play here and there. 

As for our safety play,  I can't complain as we didn't see any long pass plays by the Eagles - they kept most everything in front of them.

Bottom line - our defense gave up 17 points to the Eagles on the road.  I'll take that.

And is Tim Jennings the most underappreciated starter on our team?

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 08, 2011, 10:48:22 am
DJ Moore almost had another interception too, late in the game.

As for DeSean Jackson, that guy is like 175 lbs soaking wet. He makes Johnny Knox look like Andre Johnson in comparison. Right now DeSean is all and only about getting paid, and he's not gonna do a thing that would possibly get him hurt and jeopardize that.  It was sweet watching our STs pound him on that return and force the fumble.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2011, 12:02:33 pm
The problem I believe with the Eagles is ego's. They've got lots of talent on that team but they are pampered talent. Too interested in flash and bling than intensity and performance. 'Dream Team', HA! More like lazy BLING Team..... what you saw out of the Bears was desire, fortitude and perseverance AND team work. All were on display yesterday. They pursued like a band of rabid dogs.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 08, 2011, 12:24:00 pm
A lot is being made today about Lovie's post-game comments, specifically about the disrespect shown in the 8-point line.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 08, 2011, 12:35:17 pm
I think he's letting everyone know publicly HE didn't think the team were 8 point dogs, no Vick pun intended.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 08, 2011, 03:29:51 pm

Lovie (and the Bears) eat that 8 point underdog crap up.   Great motivation.   I doubt we'll be dogs this weekend but Lovie will find some disrespect angle from the Lions' loss earlier this year for more motivation.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 08, 2011, 03:33:19 pm
I think I heard the Bears are 1-point favorites vs. the Lions.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 08, 2011, 04:20:36 pm
They were 1 pt dogs as of yesterday....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 08, 2011, 04:24:28 pm
Dogs at home?

Wow.

That being said...  the Bears put up a miserable primetime showing in that first loss to the Lions. Worse than the score indicated and our D in particular was atrocious.

So there may be some carryover from that factored in.

OTOH it doesn't sound like Jahvid Best will be able to go and he was one of the biggest problems for us in that first game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 08, 2011, 06:19:27 pm

No dome...home field...steady O-line and safety play...no Best...Bennett is back.

And only 1 point difference between the 2 teams?  Hmmm.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on November 09, 2011, 12:30:23 am
33-17 Bears
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on November 09, 2011, 04:36:28 am
Looks like we're giving 2.5 points..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 09, 2011, 06:22:36 am
I think we lay it on them pretty thick this time.  As long as Martz stays on script, we win this one going away...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 09, 2011, 08:03:52 am
Bears 24-20.

Not seeing a blowout by any means. Lions are still loaded with offensive talent even without Best.

We need to keep an eye out for their huge TE Pettigrew.  He's a guy that can get Stafford out of a lot of jams and keep moving the chains.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 09, 2011, 08:07:49 am
Would love to say this is a big win for the Bears but with their inconsistent past still haunting my nightmares I can't do it. Lions have a ton of talent and one of the best Dlines in the business. They'll have their hands full. I do believe the Bears win but I'm not confident it'll be by alot.....doesn't mean it can't happen,now.... ;)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 09, 2011, 08:23:16 am
IIRC, in Detroit Cutler was running for his life all game.  I remember the commentators marveling about how he was singlehandedly keeping play after play alive.

The OL needs to do a much better job this time around.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 09, 2011, 08:49:45 am
I am largely with everyone on all the love, but I am still distressed by what I see as very poor game management by Martz.  The Bears got awfully lucky with that Jackson fumble before the half; absent that play, they lose a game they dominated.  As the 1st half wound down, they had the lead, Cutler was having accuracy problems, and they were running with great success.  Why then all the passes?  They took almost no time off the clock during their three possessions during that crucial stretch. 

Also, I hate all the empty backfield plays when they are in the red zone.  It seems to me that you do a red zone defense a huge favor by telling them "We are going to pass" in those situations.


Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 09, 2011, 08:56:28 am
Yeah that stretch from late in the 2nd quarter (when Forte fumbled the first time) through the middle of the 3rd quarter when the Eagles took their first possession 80 yards down the field for a TD, it sure felt like the wheels were coming off for the Bears.

The Bears really needed to right the ship at that point and thankfully they did.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on November 09, 2011, 10:25:07 am
And if the Punter completes the wide-open pass on the field goal fake...

Wouldas and couldas....

Ditka picked Da Bears - what more do you NEED??
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 09, 2011, 10:31:27 am
Personally I think that flag for roughing Cutler was one of the biggest plays of the whole game in terms of the outcome.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on November 09, 2011, 01:58:47 pm
if we don't turnover the ball and can get to Stafford like we got to Vick, I like our chances.
This is assuming we have no major injuries and Martz doesn't do his Mad Mike impersonation.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 09, 2011, 02:03:21 pm
Personally I would rather we got to Stafford like we got to Ryan in Game 1.

Our pass rush had moments against Vick, but was inconsistent and disappeared for much of the 2nd half.  Whereas the DL's effort against the Falcons was solid start to finish.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2011, 07:28:38 am
What Yapper just said. Ditto
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 10, 2011, 09:34:13 am
This game is huge for the Division and especially for the Wildcard implications. We're fighting Detoilet, Altanta, Tampa and the Cowgirls for a spot. Right now we're only behind the Loins and hopefully that changes this weekend....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 10, 2011, 09:53:09 am
Losing this Sunday very likely means the Lions go to the playoffs and we don't.

It's as simple as that. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2011, 10:23:27 am
Agreed. Its win or stay home come the end of the season. Its clear to me.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 10, 2011, 10:30:43 am
Lots of love coming the Bears way right now in the national media.  This is traditionally when things get dangerous for them, they let down and prove the haters right.

I really hope Marinelli has some new wrinkles figured out for our D in this rematch cause their performance the first time out was pathetic.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 10, 2011, 12:31:16 pm
I certainly agree that it would be important to win Sunday, but why do you all see it as necessary?  If they lose to the Lions and Pack but win the rest, how do they not make the playoffs?  And isn't even 10-6 likely to get them the last spot over all the other contenders, given the tie-breaker advantages that they hold?  What am I missing?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 10, 2011, 12:38:53 pm
We need to get this Lions win because it's in division and in conference.

If we're gonna drop a game (besides the Packers in the finale) let's have it be to one of those AFC West teams where there aren't any tiebreaker implications.

Also there's the matter of pride. Cutler played his tail off in the first Lions game but our OL was very bad and our D was a disgrace. There is some payback due the Lions and I really hope we can deliver.

For what it's worth (which isn't much)...  both of the PFT geeks have the Bears winning Sunday, and by the same score:  24-21.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 10, 2011, 12:41:37 pm
Their second behind the Loins right now. Lots of football yet to be played so it could play out any number of ways...we could lose to the Loins,they go on a losing streak,we-a win streak and we get in they sit. OR Atlanta, Tampa could edge us by a game or two even with the tie breaker in Bears favor....wins matter most. This isn't a make/break game but it's pretty close...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 10, 2011, 12:42:16 pm
Oh I don't disagree with any of this; I just see other paths to the playoffs besides a W on Sunday.  Hope it's a moot point.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2011, 12:47:27 pm
Well the 2nd place team in the division stands a heck of a better chance for a wild card than the 3rd place team, thus in order to get ahead of the Lions a win certainly would go a long ways in determing who was the 2nd place team. And yes it is redemption time for a lot of players who have to be angry with the way they played
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 10, 2011, 12:59:51 pm
Looking at the schedules... The Lions have some tough football ahead of them:  Panthers (who are much better than their record as we discovered), Packers twice, Chargers, and Saints on the road. I believe they are capable of losing any of those games.

Whereas on paper, at least, once we get through these next two weeks (Lions and  Chargers) we have a little easier road:  Raiders, Chiefs, Broncos and Seahawks with Chiefs and Seahags at home. 

If Jahvid Best's concussion is season ending, a late season slowdown by the Lions is possible.  If they were to lose Stafford, CJ, or Suh for an extended stretch then I would say implosion is likely.

In any event it looks like the Top 4 NFC seeds will likely be Packers, Niners, Saints and Giants --  so we need to keep our eye on the teams in 2nd place to those 4 (having tiebreakers over the Bucs, Falcons and Eagles), hope those teams lose a lot of games from here on out and take care of our own business.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 10, 2011, 01:28:42 pm
The other thing is that I wouldn't be too quick to count that New Year's Day finale in Minnesota as a layup.

Depending on what happens between now and then with Ponder, the stadium issue etc. the Vikings could be a much different (better) team than we faced in Chicago, with more to play for than one would assume.

Not to mention it will be the 2nd of two road games during the holidays and we will essentially be on a short week, with our prior game being Christmas Night in Lambeau.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 11, 2011, 11:59:48 am
This could help us out...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/11/lions-have-injuries-at-kicker-punter/

Especially if it's going to be wet and windy at Soldiers as I saw one forecast predicting.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 11, 2011, 03:36:32 pm
Crap...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/11/devin-hester-doubtful-for-lions/

With the Lions having K and P issues we could have made hay with a healthy Hester.

Oh well...  Johnny Knox, it's next man up.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 11, 2011, 03:55:01 pm

Lions punter hurt himself practicing kicks to backup Hansen - so he's out.  Lions put a guy on IR to bring in a new punter.  Hanson has a quad - so it will be interesting to see how it affects his kicking distance and accuracy.

In 2009 Knox went to a pro bowl based on his kick returns - not a huge dropoff.

Not sure they'll use Knox on punt returns - Bennett has done it in the past and if I recall correctly returned one for a TD against the Ravens a couple years back.

What I'm more concerned about is who plays WR.  Do they put Bennett at flanker and we see more of Sanzenbacher in the slot or does Hurd take Hester's spot? 

Probably both.

At least Peppers is OK...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 11, 2011, 04:01:28 pm
If we have to risk getting a WR hurt on returns I would much rather it be Knox then Bennett. 

Doesn't DJ Moore have some returning experience as well?

The guy the Lions IR'd to make room for the punter is Jason Fox, a backup OT.  Which could make things interesting for them if one of their starting OTs went down. 

I wonder if they'll have their P handle the kickoffs?

 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 11, 2011, 04:45:56 pm
FWIW, latest forecast for Sunday afternoon in Chicago:

A 30 percent chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 58. Breezy, with a southwest wind between 20 and 25 mph, with gusts as high as 40 mph.

Sounds like a good day to have a strong running game and a strong-armed QB.  Deep passes will NOT be a good idea.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 11, 2011, 05:14:37 pm
 SOLDIERS FIELD
 Detroit @ Chicago

 
PAYBACK
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: otto105 on November 11, 2011, 06:23:44 pm
For which team? The one that got jobbed there last year or...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 11, 2011, 06:31:46 pm
For which team? The one that got jobbed there last year or...

 You still get to play them twice ... we're just softening them up for you.  ;D

 Packers may think theyre good ... but BEARS are fuuuckin nuts.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E12YAuAYjLQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E12YAuAYjLQ)

 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on November 12, 2011, 01:44:53 pm
This could very well be a flat let down game for the Bears.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on November 12, 2011, 03:26:33 pm
Lots of love coming the Bears way right now in the national media.  This is traditionally when things get dangerous for them, they let down and prove the haters right.


That's funny.  It didn't happen last year.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on November 12, 2011, 03:27:32 pm
This could very well be a flat let down game for the Bears.

Oh brother.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 12, 2011, 03:40:28 pm

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-1113-bears-pompei-essentials-chicago--20111113,0,7373891.column

Good article on Bears not using Knox enough.  It's time for that to change TOMORROW.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on November 12, 2011, 05:22:55 pm
Never....ever.... call me your brother.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 13, 2011, 02:34:20 am
Oh brother.....

 
Never....ever.... call me your brother.

 Therin is the problem of people you dont want in your foxhole.

 When it comes down to the shiiit ...

 do you want these fuuuucking asssholes biiiitching****ing at each other or pointing a weapon at the adversary?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 10:16:52 am
It is going to be very windy with gusts up to 40-45 mph.  The Lions have a gimpy kicker and a new punter.  Stafford has an injured finger on his throwing hand. 

This should help the Bears.  Both QB's have strong arms so the short passes shouldn't be much of a problem.  However this will definately effect the deep game.  Whichever team can run the ball effectivelly and not turn the ball over should win this one.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 13, 2011, 11:06:06 am
peke- luv the url jersey.  something about the way the 5 and 4 seem to jump out at you.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 12:08:47 pm
I know it is almost 3-D!   :o
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 13, 2011, 01:53:26 pm
Good article on Bears not using Knox enough.  It's time for that to change TOMORROW.

They haven't been using Knox because he hasn't been playing very well. I think Pompeii was off-base with that article as he has been with a lot of articles lately.  The formula the Bears have been using to win is lots of Forte, win TOP and max protect with short and medium passes.  Knox doesn't fit into that gameplan.

It's 40 mph winds today at Solidiers.  Heaving deep balls to Knox against a solid Lions secondary in those conditions is not a recipe for winning this game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 03:22:48 pm
7-0 Bears!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 03:40:08 pm
10-0 Bears!!!

It hasn't been pretty but I will take it.

Oh and Martz, they still can not pass block with out help.  No more empty backfields and 5 wide.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 03:47:39 pm
Damn!  If Hester was 100% that would of been 7.

Hopefully Briggs just has the wind knocked out of him. He landed on Staffords feet.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 03:54:03 pm
That is a catch in bounds.  I have a feeling we are going to get screwed on it though because it was called incomplete on the field. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 03:57:05 pm
Sweet!  Overturned.

Let's get 7 here.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 04:00:57 pm
13-0 Bears!!!

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 04:07:06 pm
20-0 Bears!!!

HESTER YOU ARE RIDICULOUS!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 04:08:25 pm
Bears are flat out kicking azz today! WOOT!! Bye bye Detoilet!!!! YESSS!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 13, 2011, 04:09:04 pm
the way things are going, the 46 is waaayyyy short of fuel.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davep on November 13, 2011, 04:09:37 pm
I have been watching football for 60 years, and I have never seen any return man to equal Hester.  Not even close.

The Bears are foolish to waste him as a receiver, except maybe on 2 or 3 plays per game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 04:11:59 pm
I got to...let me repeat GOT to get me some Hester signature items!! Football, autographed pics,you name it...this guy is stupid ridiculous!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davep on November 13, 2011, 04:15:26 pm
Not even close.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 04:15:40 pm
I got 30 more in the garage fridge so I am good!  Good thing cause the ones in the house fridge are going fast.

I also am off all week so I am going to be feeling no pain tonight!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 04:17:03 pm
The way the D is playing just run the damn ball here.  Don't give them an easy turn over.

Stafford wants no part of being hit by Peppers.  He is in his head.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 04:17:37 pm
**** ME!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 04:18:10 pm
Stupid azz way to let them back in!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 04:18:32 pm
DOn't need that right now.....let's go D!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 04:19:34 pm
Is there a way to stop the notice of someone else posting while you're trying to post? I get tired of having to hit 'send' a few times to get the thing to post.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 04:20:00 pm
At least the D holds them to 3.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 13, 2011, 04:23:49 pm
suh out?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 04:33:03 pm
How was that not a facemask?

Suh ripped his helmet off with one hand on the facemask.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 04:33:21 pm
Bears need to get it together. There should be a penalty on that Fking Suh prick
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 04:37:20 pm
If the Bears end up losing this game I am going to be fuuuuukcing PIZZED!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 04:42:18 pm
They are going to give up a TD here...

WTF?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 04:42:45 pm
No kidding...who gets the ball second half??
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 04:46:30 pm
PEPPERS!!! About time dude!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 04:49:54 pm
WTH Cutler,damn!!!!! STUPID!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 04:54:56 pm
You GOT to be kidding me...this is unreal.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 04:58:09 pm
Kick the FG already....good grief hasn't enough strange crap happened already this drive???
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 05:00:55 pm
Goulde misses.  unreal...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 05:01:56 pm
It should be 23-3 right now.

Fumble on a hand off when not even touched then that miss.  FUUUCK!

I don't feel comfortable at all with this lead.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 05:02:27 pm
Boy that was a cluster of a drive.....gotta wake em up second half. Was too easy first. Smelling salts time!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 05:09:35 pm
Clown shoes.

I don't want to go on and on about this but how in the hell was that not at the very least a face mask on Suh?  IMO he should of been ejected from the game.

He literally grabbed the helmet with two hands one on the facemask and one on the back of the helmet and ripped it off Cutlers head.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 13, 2011, 05:13:22 pm
bears!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 05:17:29 pm
Can we cut Roy Williams right now?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 05:18:30 pm
Agree about Suh, Peke. Bears gotta stop sleepwalking. I'm not liking the play calling here recently. Williams? Gimme a break,the guy should get three balls thrown his way a game. Looks like the D is going to have to get more turnovers. THey need to get to Stafford alot...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 05:18:45 pm
TD WRIGHT!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 05:19:12 pm
LOL...JUST posted about the D needing to get more TO's and BAM...there it is! LOL
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 05:19:25 pm
Stafford saw Peppers coming and threw the pick!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 05:19:42 pm
27-6 Bears!!!

Feeling better now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 13, 2011, 05:20:18 pm
bear safety making a play.  i'll take it.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 05:21:15 pm
Time for Peppers to show his stuff now....him and Izzy....T-off on Stafford time.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 13, 2011, 05:24:54 pm
omfg!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 05:25:21 pm
The WHEELS of DETOILET...have OFFICIALLY come off and disintegrated totally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 05:25:37 pm
TILLMAN TD!!!

The route is on!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on November 13, 2011, 05:27:08 pm
I hope the doubters are enjoying whatever they're watching instead of the Bears...

Please keep picking against them...thanks...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 13, 2011, 05:28:25 pm
Enjoying this one!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 13, 2011, 05:28:35 pm
the 46 is well on his way to being absolutely hammered. f monday.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 05:34:07 pm
This should be fun the rest of the way.

The schedule only gets easier from here on out.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 13, 2011, 05:37:12 pm
chew 'im boys!!!!! stand and deliver!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 05:40:07 pm
Wish they could do this to Green Bay.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 13, 2011, 05:49:20 pm
The (choke) Lions are back (gag)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 05:53:00 pm
DE TROIT SUCKS! DE TROIT SUCKS!! LOL..love that! Bunch of cheap shots jagbots....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 05:54:36 pm
It's about time to get Cutler out of there. And Forte too. Backup time...gotta keep these guys healthy.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 05:57:17 pm
That hit by Fairley was chicken ****!

He hit him late drove him into the ground and put his helmet into his chin.

Those dirty coksuuckers are getting everything they deserve.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 06:03:42 pm
The Cubbies are getting everything they fking deserve....Briggs laying the wideout out. They're tired of the cheap shots....glad the Bears are beating the hell out of em....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 13, 2011, 06:06:14 pm
ditto.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 13, 2011, 06:07:18 pm
aright, time to go for the knees.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 06:10:21 pm
Get Forte and Culter OUT of there! WTH!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 13, 2011, 06:19:45 pm
for sure. bears administering a terrible beating. pull them.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 06:20:13 pm
I think Merriweather? just gave Calvin Johnson a concussion.

This game has gotten ugly.  Lots of head hunting.  Pull all our stars right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 06:20:44 pm
I love how our team responded ot their cheap shots.  They just played harder and hit them harder!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 13, 2011, 06:22:07 pm
Dumbazz Lovie! GET YOUR GUYS OFF THE FIELD!! Idiot....gonna get someone hurt. NO reason they're still in there....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 06:22:40 pm
Our coaches are brain dead.  Get Cutler and Forte out of the game.

Peppers Briggs and Urlachers as well.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 06:47:34 pm
Great game!

Total team win.  I also love how they responded to the Lions cheap azz bulllshiiit.  I hope this is a game that turns the season from good into great.

We have a lot of games against much easier opponenets I could honestly see the Bears winning every single regular season game from here on out.

Charles Tillman gets the game ball.  He dominated "Megatron". 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 07:05:15 pm
You know what is sweet?  The Lions still have to play the Packers twice!

Those are going to be some awesome epic games.  I don't think the Packers have the testicular fortitude to deal with this cheap azz team like the Bears did today.

The Lions may very well end Rodgers season.  I have never seen a QB take a shot like Cutler did from Fairley and get back up jawing.

I am so hoping this game created a team.  I am hoping these guys go on an epic run from here on out.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on November 13, 2011, 07:08:25 pm
Agree about the hit Cutler took. He's one tough mutha!!!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 13, 2011, 07:09:02 pm
you know...they really COULD run the table.  No injuries? Again, that game in GB is winnable.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 13, 2011, 07:57:27 pm
Chris Williams had emergency wrist surgery after the game.  Sounds like he might be gone for the season.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Eastcoastfan on November 13, 2011, 07:59:48 pm
Great win!  The chop block by the Detroit center was an incredibly dirty play.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on November 13, 2011, 08:02:31 pm
It sounds like special teams, great D and our inept O shows up again.
Did the O do anything or just enough to win. The stats don't look so well for the O unless they were playing on a short field all night.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 08:14:28 pm
They did what they had to for the win.  Roy Williams was again worthless.

The D scored two TD's off of INT's and Hester had a PR for a TD and one to the 50.

The O was not great but they did enough.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 13, 2011, 09:15:29 pm
Looks like Chris Williams hurt his wrist and had emergency surgery.  He is done for the year.

I think Edwin Williams filled in for him.  So is that the plan going forward or do they put OMGFAIL there?



Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on November 13, 2011, 11:37:16 pm
Well where's davebear with his "I believe this is a let down game" posts along with the other guys who had no faith in the Bears.  Only about 3 guys here had complete confidence in the team and that's a shame.

I did predict 33-17 Bears and came close!  :)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on November 14, 2011, 04:42:29 am
I figured we'd win this one.

I was glad to see Briggs lay the wood. What a bunch a  dirty bastards. I hope someone takes Stafford out..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 14, 2011, 06:30:52 am
Losing Williams is a blow, he was playing consistently well at left guard.  So when Carimi comes back, he slides back to right tackle.  Do you move Spencer to left guard??
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on November 14, 2011, 07:20:30 am
Williams wrist:

The injury is similar to the dislocated wrist Brian Urlacher suffered in the 2009 season opener. Urlacher was placed on injured reserve after undergoing emergency surgery that night.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 14, 2011, 07:42:33 am
The thing that interests me is the DJ/Stafford 10 rounder. DJ isnt a hot head. I sure would love to see a replay of what Stafford did to DJ to cause him to go after Stafford.  I see a major fine coming for DJ who was kicked out of the game. I am thinking something like Stafford grabbed his face mask happened. But you see no penalty on Stafford happened.

I certainly thought the officiating was definitely one sided in favor of the Lions. The Suh hit on Cuttler, the Stafford hit on DJ, the lack of major penalties against the Lions for their cheap shot tactics. I certainly hope we see some major fines against the Lions as a result of yesterdays game.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 14, 2011, 07:49:25 am
As for the game. It surprised me the defense stepped up bigtime. 6 turnovers, WOW! Then the big ST play with Hester on a gimpy ankle to boot. Hester is ridiculous! Bet that one he almost took back to the house would have gone on a healthy ankle. And finally we figure out how to deal with Calvin Johnson. Bet GB uses the same tactics with their corners against the Lions.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 08:21:30 am
A very satifsying win, and not just from margin of error but because the Lions are a truly despicable team.  I was buying the feel-good story with them early on but midway into this season and it is clear they are nothing more than a goon squad that has adopted the punk mentality of their chickensh*t HC. I would love nothing better than for yesterday's game to start a long and ugly slide for the Lions.

The double standard was clearly in effect yesterday with Suh being allowed to pull Cutler's helmet off without consequence but Moore being ejected for a shove on Stafford.  And thank God that chop block against Melton was at Soldier Field and not in Detroit or Melton would be having his knee rebuilt today.

I would not be surprised to see it come out today or tomorrow that Calvin Johnson sustained a concussion.  I know the game was out of reach by the time they pulled him but I think there was more to it than that.

It's a good thing our D and STs were amped up cause our offense was horrible. The running game in particular but Cutler was off as well and pass protection took a major step backward.  I have ripped on Chris Williams plenty in the past but his loss will hurt the OL and the team and unfortunately, may require Carimi to be pressed back into service sooner than later.

As for next week... the Chargers did not look good last Thursday night against the Raiders... but they cannot be taken for granted, and they're coming off an extra half-week of rest while the Bears are short-handed (especially on the OL) and will be feeling the effects of yesterday's nasty game through this upcoming week I'm sure.   Bears 23-20 in a nail-biter.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on November 14, 2011, 08:26:11 am
Offense had short field position with all the turnovers - they weren't required to do much
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 08:36:45 am
Our D and STs outscored our offense 21-16 yesterday.

If we had had to rely on our O much more than we did, we would have been hosed. Our run game was non-existent, Bennett was the only WR doing anything and our pass protection was terrible with the predictable outcome of a skittish Jay Cutler.  Why the hell weren't we throwing screens to Forte?

Thankfully, it's a team sport. Stafford was way off his game and our D and STs took advantage.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 14, 2011, 08:40:39 am
What a bunch of sleazy pricks.  Who let's them do all that? Coaches of course.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 14, 2011, 08:41:29 am
Great win (I also won $100 bucks from a Lions friend who said "The Bears will get blown away" heheheheh).

I don't recall when Spencer was hurt- was it sometime in the 1st half (the offense looked decent for the 1st two drives then fell off the earth after that). It is worrisome as the Oline seemed to be improving over the last few weeks and now its back to re-arranging the turnstiles (no more 5-7 step drops for Cutler for the rest of the season).

As a group they are playing well and seem to be gelling (especially at saftey). They showed a sideline shot after the Hester TD and Peppers was cutting up and grinning like a fool :) All in all the D looked loose and confident.

When Suh ripped off Cutler's helmet, he also took a kick at Cutler's exposed head. Dirty player on a dirty team indeed......
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 08:48:52 am
Suh definitely seems to have it in for Cutler even more so than some of the other QBs he faces.  The bad news is that the refs give Cutler no love so it's gonna all be on #6 to look out for himself in future matchups with the Kitties.

I was really disappointed the Bears OL didn't stand up for Cutler better after some of those cheap shots.  Man, back in the day you would have had Hilgenberg or Bortz or Big Cat Williams right up there in Suh or Fairley's face after something like that.  Now it's just... meh. At least throw a chop block or two their way to send a message. I know we were short-handed at OL after Chris Williams went out and probably couldn't absorb an ejection, but still.

Speaking of Chris Williams...  I also, don't know exactly when he went out but Edwin Williams is a definite downgrade and our OL was not up to recent standard for most of the game yesterday.  There was a LOT of pressure coming up the middle for most of the game and we weren't getting anything done on the ground either.  Our D was on the field way too much.  Edwin Williams didn't impress me in limited action last year either but I'm hoping maybe with starter reps he'll improve.  And he's still got to be better than OMG.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 14, 2011, 08:56:28 am
This is from the Tribune:

"Discipline for what? For their guy getting kicked out of the game?'' Schwartz snapped back.

He was referring to Moore retaliating against Stafford during Tim Jennings' interception return. Stafford had thrown down Moore by his helmet. Moore was wrong to retaliate and Schwartz just as off-base ignoring the obvious.

So my assumption was right. It was likely a face mask that caused Moore to go after Stafford, not that fighting solved anything.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 09:15:09 am
If they wanted to flag Moore then OK I guess, but the ejection was a chickensh*t.  The only reason the refs went that far was cause Moore isn't a star and also they were at risk of losing control of the game so Moore was a convenient target.

Loved the shots of Moore revving up the crowd as he left the field and getting a standing O.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 14, 2011, 09:24:11 am
That had to be the longest non-overtime game at least it seemed to me. 

Bears offense went into a shell other than right before half when they opened it up just before Gould's rare miss.  But its hard to blame Martz too much as Detroit was ready for our sweeps and kept tight coverage on our receivers.  No reason for Martz to really open it up as the game progressed.

Still, our offense needs to get more of the WRs other than Bennett involved.  Same can be said about our TEs.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 14, 2011, 09:25:35 am

I want to know who is paying Bennett's fines for wearing the orange shoes.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on November 14, 2011, 09:29:02 am
When Suh ripped off Cutler's helmet, he also took a kick at Cutler's exposed head.

I saw that - wasn't sure if the foot made contact with his face - that should be a $eriou$ fine!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 09:31:28 am
I want to know who is paying Bennett's fines for wearing the orange shoes.

At one point there was something reported about Cutler offering to pay the fines but I don't know if he actually is.

Bennett also said last week that the league told him it would be double the next time which would mean yesterday cost him $10K.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on November 14, 2011, 09:32:55 am
I dont think Stafford ever touched Moore's facemask. It looked to me like he had a hand on each side of his helmet and pulled Moore down by his helmet.

Suh pulled Cutler down by grabbing the bottom back of his helmet and lifting it off his head.

Fairley plowed Cutler into the turf.

All 3 need to pay.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on November 14, 2011, 09:33:08 am
And I don't mean monetarily...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 09:36:43 am
Suh also gave Cutler a big push in the back a good 3-4 seconds after the play was over.  It was on that play right before halftime where Cutler's "throw" was ruled a fumble but the Lions didn't recover so we got it back.

It's not good when the refs allow your QB to be beat up that much, AT HOME, without in-game consequences for the offending team.

I was very unimpressed with the job that officiating crew did yesterday to keep the Lions in check and I hope they don't do any more Bears games. To allow the Lions to set the tone of the game -- and then eject Moore late in the game on a minor infraction when far worse incidents didn't even get flagged -- is chickensh*t all around. 

From now on that crew needs to be assigned only to games that don't have playoff implications cause they were clearly not up to the task yesterday.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 14, 2011, 09:59:08 am

I did not listen to the explanation of the Cutler 'fumble' (I watch much of the game in slo-mo and fast forward through the yip yap between plays), but here is what the Trib said:

He also lost a ball when Lions defensive end Cliff Avril hit him as he threw. It might have been ruled a fumble had Cutler not hit the ball forward with his hand after he lost control of it. As it was, after a replay review, it was ruled an incomplete pass.

He had another fumble that no one thought was a fumble at the time, and subsequently there was no scramble to recover it. The ball went back to the Bears.


Huh?

I recall two Cutler fumbles.  One was obvious - the Forte handoff.  The other one was on that awkward pass when Cutler was hit by the Lion LDE.  It appeared to me that they reviewed it and gave the Lion the sack at the point of the pass attempt since the whilstle was blow on what was thought to be an incompletion.  At least that's what I thought since the next play it was 2nd and 20.

Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 14, 2011, 10:05:06 am
The refs and all the players thought it was an incomplete pass not a fumble.  Since no player ever picked it up by either team they ruled it a sack.  In real time it looked like a pass but slowed down Cutler lost the ball before his arm went forward then his hand hit it and shot it forward.

Cutler has some amazing arm strength.

Oh and Cutler is paying the fine for Bennett.  He had told him before the game to wear them and he would pay the fine.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 10:08:29 am
The play was originally ruled an incomplete pass, then on review the refs reversed it and it went in the books as a fumble. However, since neither team made an active effort to recover the fumble, the ball reverted to Bears' possession at the spot where the ball came out of Cutler's hand. 

So, although the Bears technically fumbled the ball twice that game, in the official stats the Bears are shown with only 1 turnover (since they retained possession on the other one).
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 10:09:54 am
Oh and Cutler is paying the fine for Bennett.  He had told him before the game to wear them and he would pay the fine.

That's cool. Slowly but surely Cutler is winning over the team, although I would have liked to see the OL step up for him a little more yesterday after the cheap shots.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 14, 2011, 11:11:18 am
I dont think Stafford ever touched Moore's facemask. It looked to me like he had a hand on each side of his helmet and pulled Moore down by his helmet.

Suh pulled Cutler down by grabbing the bottom back of his helmet and lifting it off his head.

Fairley plowed Cutler into the turf.

All 3 need to pay.

If not monetarily as a fine then to miss a game, but they definitely need to pay.

And that referee crew shouldnt be allowed to do Bears games.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 14, 2011, 11:14:45 am
Thanks for clearing up the Cutler fumble/pass.  Its kind of a weird call to determine where the ball is spotted.  Looks like they spotted it from the throw and not where it landed.


As for retaliation, the best way for our O-line to step up against a cheap shot is to block your opponent on his azz and make first downs.


Late in the 4th quarter the Lions had a 3rd and goal from around our 10.  Then Melton gets cut block and the Bears decline the penalty.  So the Lions get 4th and goal from the 10 instead of 3rd and 25 from the 25. 

I wanted them to take the penalty and that looks to be the correct decision since the Lions score their only TD of the game.  Guess it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 11:18:28 am
Yeah that garbage TD we gave up kind of annoyed me. I really wanted to hold them in single digits w/no TD.  It was like towards the end we didn't put any heat on Stafford at all when we should have been bringing the house in return for him jacking Moore.

But whatever. It certainly wasn't worth any of our defenders getting injured or something to stop a meaningless TD.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 11:33:19 am
I haven't always thrown a lot of love Charles Tillman's way, but the job he did on Megatron yesterday was exceptional.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 14, 2011, 11:38:58 am

I'll file this game away for the next time somebody says that its time for Tillman to move to safety.  Glad to see him (and Jennings) get his first pick of the season. 


Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 11:55:10 am
Speaking of safety...  yesterday was definitely the best game of the season for Conte, Merriwether and Wright.  All of them got a lot of reps and did well while they were in there.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on November 14, 2011, 12:37:10 pm
I saw Bennett got the fine for Orange cleats, what is that all about?
Reebok (or whomever the NFL sponsor is) should pay the fine :-)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 12:58:05 pm
They make the players wear all that godawful hot pink sh*t for PR purposes, yet when a player wants to wear shoes that actually match the uniform color scheme, there's a fine.

Ridiculous. I have really grown to despise Goodell and what he's done to the game and the league.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on November 14, 2011, 01:10:31 pm
The Bears have improved tremendously from the beginning of the season.  They will chsllenge most anyone if they keep playinng as they are.

Severlal teams slipping from their anticipated  play:  Colts, Redskins, Eagles, Buccaneers,  Patriots, Jets.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on November 14, 2011, 01:30:32 pm
The Cutler 'fumble' was placed at the point where the ball came out...that's the old Stabler rule re: no forward fumbling...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 14, 2011, 01:59:30 pm

I thought the Stabler dealt specifically within 2 minutes of a half and on 4th down and limited the recovery of the fumble to the fumbler only. 


The play Sunday was almost treated like a runner fumbling forward out of bounds.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 14, 2011, 02:18:28 pm
That was just a weird play all around.

I wonder if, while reviewing the play, the replay officials also noticed the very late hit that Suh put on Cutler.  I know you can't throw a penalty flag post facto based on a tape review but it was right there for anyone to see.   
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 14, 2011, 06:05:51 pm
I would assume Suh is watched constantly, every play
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 15, 2011, 06:55:06 am
And there you have it...  Schwartz is a Schwantz...

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/11/schwartz_peppers_clotheslined_.html

The facemask by Avril was the only call that I agree with him on.  He brushed Forte's facemask and it was a penalty.  As bad as Suh's grabbing of the helmet looked, I thought the hit by Fairley was dirty and intended to injure,  The ball is clearly out of Cutler's hand before he engages Cutler.  He doesn't just hit Cutler, he lifts him off the ground, releases him in the air, and freefalls on Cutler shoulder first.  I can't believe cutler wasn't even shaken up on that play.

And I think Gunther Cunningham is the one that teaches these tactics with Schwartz's approval.  Cunningham looks like the Emperer from Star Wars
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 15, 2011, 07:38:15 am
Peppers did not clothesline him.  A clothesline is hitting them in the neck with your arm.

Peppers arm hit him across the chest.  Peppers is a beast.  He has to be strong as hell to put Johnson down like that with one hand but that is what he did.  I have watched the hit multiple times.  Briggs shot was also clean.  He lead with the shoulder and did not "launch" himself at a defenseless defender.  He just held his ground.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 15, 2011, 10:08:03 am
Just got this sent to me:

"Stafford tried to tweet after the game but it was intercepted by Peanut." :)

I get the "Mr Ed" TV show theme when I saw written "A Shwartz is a Shwartz, of course, of course...." One of the final lines would be "....The new HC is the of course, Gunther Cunningham."

Sorry- silly morning. The Meds have kicked in :D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 15, 2011, 10:52:16 am
As I suspected...  we did put a whoopin on Megatron.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/15/calvin-johnson-cleared-to-face-panthers/

Not enough to keep him out next game though.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 15, 2011, 11:23:56 am

I don't know what Schwartz is talking about when he complains about the Peppers 'clothesline'.  Peppers contacts Johnson right across the top of the chest.  If he'd had hit him in the neck Johnson would now be known as Ichabod Crane.

The hit that no one mentions is the Van DenBosch hit on Forte.  Forte is clearly down and Van DenBosch takes a couple steps and dives at Forte head first.  Tough day for Van Den Bosch.  He didn't even show up in the stat sheet Sunday.  Not even an assisted tackle.   Good job J'Marcus.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 15, 2011, 11:44:10 am
J'Marcus has been doing a good job lately, and against some legit players on both the Eagles and Lions' DLs.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 15, 2011, 04:55:35 pm
The Beagles season is done. The 'Dream Team' is caput. The Little Schwantz can whine all he wants. His team is flat out dirty and I am beginning to hate Suh. That sucker needs someone to knock him on his butt hard a few times...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 15, 2011, 07:13:20 pm
A "Schwantz" is a wanger, just in case there was any confusion...  And Schwartz is one.

You can hate on Lovie all you want, but he has never lowered himself to the self defense that Schwantz is laying out there.  His team is dirty and he flat out defends it...  He'd be better just shutting his mouth.

Lovie would say, "The league will review the game.  i am more concerned with the penalties, we need to clean those up"  Schwantz is a joke, I used to respect him, now I think he is just a jerk.  Glad Harbaugh clocked him...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 15, 2011, 07:15:11 pm
My German isnt very good but ist a schwantz a tail in German?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 15, 2011, 07:20:29 pm
Kind of... ;)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 16, 2011, 10:51:01 am
Something to keep in mind regarding the Chargers game...  they roll with a 3-4 defense.  Near as I can tell we haven't faced a 3-4 D since the Packers and we all know how that turned out.

This could present an additional challenge to Tice & Co. on top of the challenge of working a new LG into the lineup.

Oh BTW there's a DE on the Chargers roster...  name of Tommie Harris.  All of us who said he could never make it as a 3-4 DE will get to see if that's the case.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on November 16, 2011, 10:58:49 am
The healthy Tommy Harris we drafted could have played a 3-4 DE but I'm unsure about the one that has been hanging around here the past couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 16, 2011, 01:52:01 pm

Harris is a part time player with the Chargers.  The guy that is starting and doing pretty well is the ex-Bear Antonio Garay.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 16, 2011, 03:18:28 pm
Chargers have put their Pro Bowl LG Dielman on IR.

Also, I'm not sure the status of their stud LT Marcus McNeil but he was carted off the field last Thursday night against the Raiders.

If the Chargers are rolling with a whole new left side of the OL then I'm telling Marinelli to unleash the hounds on Rivers' blindside.  Stunt the hell out of Peppers, Izzy and Melton and see if we can shake some things loose.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 16, 2011, 03:45:36 pm
Stupid things happen in games we should easily or handily win. Sure hope they're up and ready for this one....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 16, 2011, 03:46:56 pm
That Ryan Matthews kid is a star in the making.  Gotta keep a handle on him for sure.

I'm not saying we will "easily" or "handily" beat the Chargers, but if we can't get a win against them on our home field then we've done something pretty badly wrong.

Cutler has bad blood with Rivers going back to his Broncos days.  I hope he doesn't come out trying to make it a personal thing or he's liable to make some bad decisions and we know what happens then...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on November 16, 2011, 03:48:24 pm
and Norv is better than Ron :-)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 16, 2011, 04:00:48 pm

I haven't seen the injury report and that could be a huge factor,  but the Chargers they have both a top 10 offense and defense.  They have lost 4 in a row but all 4 have been by a TD or less.  Looks like turnovers are doing them in.

Bears can't take them lightly.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 16, 2011, 04:04:47 pm
Kam Wimbley from the Raiders had like 3 or 4 sacks on Rivers last Thursday night.

I've got to think Peppers is at least as good a pass rusher as Wimbley, even if Pep's not quite 100% with the knee.

For Cutler's sake I would love to see us put a beatdown on the Bolts and Rivers in particular.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 16, 2011, 04:17:30 pm
Preliminary Sunday forecast for Chicago:

Partly sunny, 48 degrees.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on November 16, 2011, 09:37:45 pm
Chargers LT McNeil is out, LG IR'd as yapper said, RG out and they signed "Tony Moll" yesterday who will start Sunday.
 Two starting LB's out, corners not playing well.  RB's have been in and out of the line up with injuries.

Still what concerns me is Rivers can get 2-3 TD's in less time than any QB I can remember.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 17, 2011, 06:00:54 am
Vegas doesn't have us as strong favorites.  Don't know where the line is now, but it started at +3.5 Bears.  In other words, neutral field favored by an eyelash
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 17, 2011, 08:05:08 am
I hope that Tony Moll guy isn't replacing the guy that replaced Marcus McNeil on Thursday night.  That guy was awful.  I want Peppers to have a shot at him.   ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on November 17, 2011, 08:33:24 am
Moll will be right guard.  Dombrowski is the guy that played LT when Mcneil was hurt.

He played there las year about half of the season when McNeil held out and played well.

Hard to say what to expect from him Sunday.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 17, 2011, 08:37:37 am
Kameron Wimbley is a really good pass rusher and that could be why Dombrowski looked so bad against the Raiders.  I remember him giving us fits in a preseason game a year or two ago.  He sacked Rivers 4 times last Thursday night but not sure if they were all against Dombrowski.

BTW was anyone else as surprised as me at that injury to McNeil?  The LB (Curry) just gives him a little hump move and bam, down he goes. And then off the field on the cart. That was really weird.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 17, 2011, 09:20:45 am
If Wimbley can do that against the Chargers how would Peppers fare? More or less than 4 sacks? If I'm Peppers I gotta be licking my chops and eating plenty of Wheaties on Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 17, 2011, 09:29:31 am
Depends on how Peppers' knee feels by then.

Here's the deal... the Chargers may be starting different people at THREE OL positions.  LT, LG and RG. Which means we should be gaming and stunting on the DL all day to confuse the blocking schemes of an OL that hasn't played together as a unit in the first place.

In other words, if we can't unleash hell on Philip Rivers then either our D-Linemen or Marinelli aren't doing their jobs. I expect a very long day for Rivers at Soldier Field on Sunday...  several sacks and at least a couple of picks...  which should position us quite nicely for the win.

It would also be nice if we can give Peppers a little more rest again this Sunday.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on November 17, 2011, 10:43:02 am
31-13 Bears
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 17, 2011, 10:55:29 am
If we can bring serious heat on Rivers all day I'll buy-in to Phill's prediction.

But if they somehow find a way to protect him...  if Matthews runs wild... and/or our offense plays as poorly as they did against the Lions...  it will be much closer. 21 points from our D and STs is exceptional and I very much doubt that happens again this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on November 17, 2011, 11:49:35 am
27-23 Bears
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 17, 2011, 05:10:23 pm

Can you guys predict what the Dow Jones will do tomorrow too?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 17, 2011, 05:27:22 pm
20-10 Bears and yea, it'll go up and then down, and then up....and then down....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on November 17, 2011, 05:30:17 pm
Can you guys predict what the Dow Jones will do tomorrow too?

LOL.  In WWII the Seabees had a motto "Can Do  but -  the impossible may take a little while".
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 17, 2011, 07:12:15 pm
Peter King predicts 33-13 so Phil is close.  Not feeling the blowout this time like I did against the Lions, I could just smell that.

Bears 27 - Chargers 16

Score is closer than game...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on November 18, 2011, 04:48:13 am
Heck of a note when they fine Bennett more for wearing orange shoes than Bosch for a late hit on Forte..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearHit on November 18, 2011, 06:13:18 am
Will he do it again?

Like Jimmy Mac and his headbands?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 18, 2011, 09:31:38 am

Rozelle wasn't against the headbands - he was against the advertising on the headbands.  McMahon kept the headbands for the Super Bowl but put all sorts of non-commercial writing on them (i.e.  JDF, Rozelle, and another one for his buddy the WR Koslowski?) - which didn't draw the fine.

Bennett just needs to get the entire team to switch to the orange cleets
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 18, 2011, 09:33:10 am

Years ago the Bears were hosting a high powered Chargers team led by Dan Fouts.  I don't recall who was coaching the Bears but I recall the Bears beat using a 5 man defensive line.

Don't see too much of that anymore.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 18, 2011, 09:35:31 am
I'm not sure we even have 5 D-Linemen healthy right now...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on November 18, 2011, 09:43:55 am
Rozelle wasn't against the headbands - he was against the advertising on the headbands.  McMahon kept the headbands for the Super Bowl but put all sorts of non-commercial writing on them (i.e.  JDF, Rozelle, and another one for his buddy the WR Koslowski?) - which didn't draw the fine.

Bennett just needs to get the entire team to switch to the orange cleets

McMahon was also too big a name for Rozelle to threaten suspension. Bennett is a small fish and Goodell wouldn't hesitate to make an example of him. We can't afford that over some stupid shoes. Granted, Goodell is drunk with power and should be worrying about bigger things but he is what he is.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 18, 2011, 10:03:36 am
According to the Tribune today, Cutler says the orange shoes have been "retired".

I hope Bennett's mojo doesn't go with them.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Sportster on November 18, 2011, 03:05:47 pm
Uhoh....now Cutler won't be able to find him out there! ;)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: WshflThinking on November 18, 2011, 03:08:14 pm
I'll buy that logic
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Jackiejokeman on November 18, 2011, 10:13:38 pm

 When it comes to the Chargers ... lets represent ... we owe the MAN.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75vgjnFVQFo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75vgjnFVQFo&feature=related)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 19, 2011, 07:38:07 am
JJ - That was worth 5 minutes of my life.  Thanks for posting.  The greatest running back to ever put on a uniform, complete.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Bears4Ever on November 19, 2011, 07:56:05 am
Made my day JJ :D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: davebear on November 19, 2011, 10:07:01 am
Even here in San Diego no onne gives the Chargers any hope of beathing the Bears tomorrow.

I certainly hope the players are staying away from the press or they could be flat as a pancake tomorrow.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: navigator on November 19, 2011, 10:48:17 am
what would have been really classy is if Emmit would have gotten to withing 1yard of the record and then retired and said something to the effect that he was the 2nd best RB ever.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Keysbear on November 19, 2011, 01:01:40 pm
Love the video but can't handle the background music. Had to stop about halfway.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on November 19, 2011, 06:49:35 pm
Grear clip.  Hated that rap crap, though.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 19, 2011, 07:06:19 pm
Word, Packy...word
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Grizzlybear34 on November 20, 2011, 06:28:16 am
Game day!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 03:23:00 pm
Bears about to go down by 7 and I have not seen any of it. 

FUUUUCK CBS!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 03:23:21 pm
I have seen the end of the Ravens game and 25 commercials!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 03:31:15 pm
3-3 game.

I hate late games for that reason I missed half the first quarter almost.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 20, 2011, 03:33:42 pm
Was a good drive till the red zone...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 20, 2011, 03:50:35 pm
Great punt.  Poor possession by the offense
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 20, 2011, 03:51:38 pm
Wooton in there
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 20, 2011, 03:58:56 pm
Awesome return by Hester
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 20, 2011, 04:00:57 pm
Horrible series on offense
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 04:06:30 pm
Looks like our D is getting a handle on what they are doing on offense.

Now the O needs to step up.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 20, 2011, 04:07:25 pm
Shiiiiit holding on Bell.  This is how games get lost
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 20, 2011, 04:09:01 pm
Barber!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 20, 2011, 04:12:44 pm
Awesome. TD Barber!

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 04:13:22 pm
10-3 Bears!

The last one was a TD also.  He fumbled then was not touched, recovered and advanced it for a TD.  Lovie is the worst coach in the NFL at challenging plays.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: stelz on November 20, 2011, 04:19:45 pm
Tillman got torched on that
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 04:23:09 pm
Get the feeling the Chargers are just sleep-walking through downs 1 and 2 since they can torch the Bears on 3rd down any time they want?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 04:23:59 pm
10-10.

Bears are getting out coached period.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: chifaninva on November 20, 2011, 04:24:45 pm
Briggs once again loses it in coverage..
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 04:26:25 pm
Bears need 7 here before the half.  If they do not even get three it is an epic fail.

Starting at mid field again.

The Bears are superior to this team in every way.  The Chargers are only in the game because the Bears are getting out coached. 

Our D-line is owning their O-line.  Yet we keep giving up big plays and scores. 

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 04:30:04 pm
I don't see where the Bears are superior. In fact, I think the Chargers clearly have more talent.

Don't know where the Bears would be without Hester and Gould.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 04:32:02 pm
I certainly like Bennett though.

This TD will probably get overturned. That's Cutler's luck.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 04:32:59 pm
Uh, the Chargers O-line sucksazz.  They are worst then ours.

Our defense while not as good as it used to be is light years better then theirs.



Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 04:37:50 pm
17-10 Bears.  Nice throw by Cutler.

Losing Mannelley is huge.  Hope he is ok.

Awesome job by Klutts on the snap.  It was not perfect but for a FB?  GOOD JOB!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 04:39:36 pm
If the Bears O-Line is better than SD's, how come Cutler's been sacked more per pass than Rivers?

The Bears' D gives up 40 more yards per game than SD's. Bears give up fewer points but a lot of SD's points allowed have been as a result of defensive TD's.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 04:41:42 pm
Chargers again torching the Bears for huge chunks of yards to give themselves a chance at a long FG before the half.

lol

Lovie calls time after the Chargers miss the kick.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 04:42:39 pm
Because they had a better O-line at the start of the season and have lost 4 of them to injuries.  When I say talent I am talking right now.

The Bears have faced better offenses then the Chargers have.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 04:42:57 pm
And San Diego hits the crossbar. Lovie saved by about 6 inches.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 04:43:28 pm
Bears have been out coached.  That is for sure. 

Bears should be up by at least 17 right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 20, 2011, 04:45:42 pm
We are barely surviving this game and I look for a nip-and-tuck 2nd half all the way to the end.

Lovie needs to plant a boot in our DL's azz at halftime. There are no less than 3 scrubs on the Chargers OL and they are giving Rivers all the time he needs to kill our secondary. Peppers & Co. need to step it way up.

Some yards per carry would be nice too.  2nd straight game there hasn't been sh*t for Forte to run through.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 20, 2011, 04:46:57 pm
Our D-line is owning their O-line.

Then why has Rivers had all the time he needs to go 12 of 17 the first half for huge yardage?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 04:49:03 pm
Because we were blitzing and there was always a guy open.  Rivers is a good QB and can kill a blitz if you don't get there.  Plus they threw a ton of screens that were very succesful at the beginning.

We can get there with just the front four.  We do not need to blitz.

Shade a safety towards Jackson to help Tillman.  He is their only weapon.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 04:51:53 pm
That's because the Bears are blitzing and still not getting to Rivers.

Yards per play: 7.9 to 5.9

The difference is the returns by Hester and Knox.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 04:54:42 pm
Rivers is good enough to find the open receiver when we blitz.  We need to drop more in coverage and trust our guys to get there.

Sure we can send a guy here and there but not every down like we were.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 04:55:01 pm
Right now Turner is one step ahead of Marenellie and Lovie.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 05:00:46 pm
All the time in the world to throw and another 50-yard reception for the Chargers.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 05:02:40 pm
Bears need players on all three sectors of D, plus offensive line help and a #1 receiver.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 05:04:18 pm
Wait for the 3rd down, get the TD.

5-9 on 3rd down and numerous big plays.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 05:05:38 pm
Still not doubling Jackson or even shading the safety to his side.  That is assinine.

On the big play to Jackson Conte should have been there.

Bears are getting out coached.  I bet Norv was on the phone to Ron all week about the Bears D.

It shows cause he is two steps ahead of them right now.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 05:08:32 pm
Bears have no pass-rush and a terrible man-to-man secondary. Not sure what the coaches can do about that.

Bears kill themselves with yet another penalty after a good return.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 05:10:12 pm
Incredible play by Cutler as he's getting dragged down.

Well, he's certainly had enough practice at that play.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 05:13:37 pm
Well that drive was all Cutler.

How's about some pressure on Rivers now?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 05:20:51 pm
I can see why the Chargers lose. They just keep shooting themselves in the foot.

Tillman with the strip; announcers try to give Urlacher the credit.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on November 20, 2011, 05:21:00 pm
Roy Williams is KILLING the Chargers.....
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 05:21:46 pm
More talent!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on November 20, 2011, 05:21:54 pm
TD KNOX!!!  Now I guess Chris27 can stop complaining.

31-17 Bears!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 05:22:34 pm
Still a dick, I see, Phill. Well, some things never change.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on November 20, 2011, 05:22:51 pm
Yeah those Chargers sure have more talent than the Bears.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 05:23:17 pm
There you go Chris.  "Telling it like it is!".   ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: BearFan on November 20, 2011, 05:23:55 pm
KNOX! CUTLER! TD BEARSSS!  ;D
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Phill23 on November 20, 2011, 05:24:50 pm
2 plays and the no talent Bears up 14 points. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 05:25:22 pm
The Chargers are notorious for underachieving despite their talent. Everyone knows this except Phill.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on November 20, 2011, 05:31:53 pm
Bears lucky...Jackson was wide open for an easy TD on that 3rd down play...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 05:45:34 pm
Forte finally gets a gap to work with.

Offense looks good when the line plays well. Who knew?
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 05:48:59 pm
And just like that Cutler gives SD hope.

Dummy Knox slips.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 05:49:15 pm
FUUUKCING KNOX!!!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 05:51:49 pm
YES!!!

WRIGHT!!!

INT!

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 05:51:55 pm
The Chargers just seem to do the worst thing at the worst possible time.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 05:52:19 pm
Know we know why Knox does not get more playing time.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 06:09:31 pm
7 1/2 minute drive.  Awesome.

I hope Clutts has this.

I am so worried about the loss of Mannelley.  He has been money and has been a big reason Goulde has been so good.  In this case Podesh.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 06:10:41 pm
Wow terrible throw and bad call.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 06:11:35 pm
INT Bears win!

Good win!
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 06:13:38 pm
Bears played an excellent 4th quarter.

Charger fans probably need therapy the way that team executes.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 20, 2011, 06:20:54 pm
Our offense was the only way we were gonna stop Rivers today, and thank God they showed up in the 2nd half to keep the ball out of his hands cause once he had it he was doing whatever he wanted to our D.

This was an 11-point win that felt closer than that.  Our pass D is going to have to bring a LOT more to the table next week or the Raiders will kill us.  They have a much better OL than the Chargers, a QB that's at least as good as Rivers and many more weapons on offense.

Martz did a really good job with playcalling late in the game and I prop him for going back to the run in the 4th quarter to eat time even though our ground game really never got going all day.

Knox made a hell of a catch on that TD.  The slip that caused the INT was unfortunate, but #13 did a lot more good out there than bad today.

Hats off to Cutler.  That was a HARD hit to the back of the noggin that he took and he just popped up and kept on slingin em.

Did we sack Rivers even once?  Did we even hit him?  It really felt like our DL was not going all-out today but we got the win.  Was good to see Wootton back in action.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Dave23 on November 20, 2011, 06:31:30 pm
LMAO...Bears aren't even out of the shower yet, and you're already picking the shitazz Raiders to win...
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: 46 on November 20, 2011, 06:57:27 pm
#44 for president.  Did whatever to help the team. #6 is simply off the graph good.  I really didnt think sd was that good on offense.  Tore the d up.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 20, 2011, 07:00:17 pm
Uh no Dave, I said the Bears will have to play better than they did today to beat the Raiders. 

We can beat the Raiders, but it will take our running game and especially our pass D to come up to the level of our passing offense which came together nicely today.  I have said all along that the Raiders game concerns me the most out of this 4-game AFC West stretch and nothing has changed that as Palmer seems to be getting more comfortable each game he plays with them, plus the possibility they may have McFadden back next week. 

With regard to not sacking Rivers...  we did pick him twice and I'll take those over a couple of sacks any day. It just would have been nice to see him take as much of a beating as Cutler did, especially with the patchwork OL the Chargers had out there.

Klutts was awesome. Old school all the way, doing whatever it takes. Also agree on Cutler... If we ever get our OL to the point where he doesn't have to pull off 5 or 6 miracle plays a game on his own...  look out. 
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 07:06:54 pm
SD has an awesome offense.  What NFL are you watching?  Their downfall has been the O-line but this game Turner for the first time called a game to protect them.

The D did a good job as did the O.  The ST played great!

Great win.

Tillman was the MVP.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: packrat on November 20, 2011, 07:07:59 pm
Tillman may be in Pro-bowl this year.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 07:10:03 pm
If Mannelley is done for the year the Clutts pick up may be the most awesome thing Angello has done this year.  Especially if he can keep doing the long snapping and the Bears do not miss a beat.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 20, 2011, 07:10:35 pm
Based on how the Raiders abused San Diego's OL and Rivers last Thursday night, I was just expecting our DL to have a lot more success against the Chargers today, that's all.

Maybe Oakland's DL is just that much better than ours but I don't really think so.  If it is, we could have our hands full next week.

I was very happy with the job we did on Ryan Matthews.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 20, 2011, 07:13:47 pm
If Mannelley is done for the year the Clutts pick up may be the most awesome thing Angello has done this year.  Especially if he can keep doing the long snapping and the Bears do not miss a beat.

Yup. The only thing it might possibly do is slightly reduce the maximum range our coaches are willing to push for a FG.

OTOH if we just score TDs every time, problem solved.   8)
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: hibernationsuxs on November 20, 2011, 07:14:51 pm
Tillman deserves to be in Pro-Bowl.

I have to say I think we are a really good team.  The play call where we threw to Spath for the first down was excellent and was the moment that made me think...we might be good enough to really make some noise this year.  We can't have any more injuries on the Oline and we need Wooten to become somewhat of a force at DE. 

I really like how the O is spreading the ball around...which WR to cover?  The all can hurt you.  TE's are solid.  The combo of Forte and Barber really gives us a nice 1-2 punch.  Clutts is the prefect team player that you need.

On D our young S are a bit of a weakness, but as long as they continue to improve we should be fine.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 20, 2011, 07:17:37 pm
We can't have any more injuries on the Oline

Amen to that.  My heart was in my throat when Spencer went to the sidelines and #68 came in.  Thankfully it was only for one play.

Tillman had the play of the game with the forced fumble and recovery.  That was good to see after Vincent Jackson owned him the 1st half.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 07:18:31 pm
I expected them to abuse it also however the Chargers game planned for that.  They expected us to blitz and we did.  The screens killed us.  The D adjusted to that and the Chargers started going deep to Jackson. 

The Bears never doubled Jackson.  He ate them up but the Bears still won and won by a large margin thanks to Tillman.

I think the Chargers coaches were ahead of the Bears in the first half but in the end they adjusted and the team with the better talent won.

I think the Raiders game is a coin flip.  This is the game that worries me most until the Packers game.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 07:21:52 pm
I agree!  The O-line is the one place the Bears absolutely can not lose another guy.

Odds are in the Bears favor.

They have already lost two first round O-line picks.  Losing another O-lineman would just be terrible luck for a unti that was pretty thin to begin with.

That said Edwin Williams played decent.  He was not great but was not a liability imo.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: yapper on November 20, 2011, 07:24:30 pm
I think our OL played today at about the same level as the week before vs. the Lions.  Good enough to get the win but with room for improvement. Like last week, we had a real hard time in the run game. And like last week, Cutler took too much punishment and had to pull too many plays out of the fire himself.  That being said, the OL is playing at least as well as they were at this point last year and that's with 2 of our Day 1 starters out of the lineup and a 3rd playing out of position. 

The other thing to remember is that the Chargers are only the 2nd team we've played this year that runs a 3-4. The other team is the Packers, and we had a very hard time running on them too as I recall.

What was good about this game is that even though our ground game went nowhere for most of the game, when we needed to get some first downs and eat clock in the 4th we were able to do that.  Runs that earlier went for only 2 or 3 yards were going 5 or 6 yards or longer at the end. The inexplicable fake punt notwithstanding, I felt like we closed out this game well on both sides of the ball.

The return yardage we got was a huge contributing factor as well and would have been much more if not for penalties.   

Did anyone else notice Bennett's "modified" orange shoes?  I also noticed at least one other member of the Bears (Hester maybe) wearing the same shoes as Bennett.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 20, 2011, 08:14:54 pm
Tillman didn't win any pro-bowl votes today as Jackson really made him look s-l-o-w.  But he's an elite receiver and frequently has those kinds of games.  And Tillman did come back with that FF and FR that was one of the plays of the game.

And I thought the Earl Bennett TD that was overturned was a TD.  Didn't listen to the explanation on TV but it appeared to me that he caught the ball and crossed the end zone with the ball and was flattened AFTER.   Not a big deal since the Bears scored a TD anyway.

And nice to see Cutler have a big game - it was his turn to carry the Bears.  And we finally had a game where 3 WRs had numerous big plays.

Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 20, 2011, 08:18:31 pm

Teams are figuring out the Bears student body right play as the running game has somewhat regressed the last couple weeks.  But as long as Cutler can get decent protection it may not matter that much.

Martz is doing a great job of mixing up the protection and the TEs are doing a good job of helping out and sometimes taking on an end or linebacker one on one.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: dallasbear on November 20, 2011, 08:25:01 pm

Trib is saying that Cutler broke his thumb sometime in the game - no details yet.
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Chris27 on November 20, 2011, 08:31:33 pm
That could be it for the playoffs.

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It’s unknown as to when Cutler injured his thumb. As for the severity, McClure reports, “Source says the Bears are preparing to move forward without Cutler “for a while.”"
Title: Re: Today's Game
Post by: Pekin on November 20, 2011, 08:36:44 pm
Well fuuuuck me!!!

Bears can't