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« Reply #2970 on: January 07, 2026, 10:27:34 pm »
Law's input is interesting.  Yeah, that's what I'd understood as well, that Cabrera is 4-seam fast, but his 4-seamer isn't effective and gets hit hard fairly often.  That the Cubs have liked him so much makes me wonder whether they see something in how he throws that, such that they think they can improve him?  Whether that be pitch distribution, or sequencing, or whether they maybe believe a tweak in grip or dropping his arm slot might help? 

I think part of the improvement story this year is that he reduced usage of the 4-seam, and increased use of sinkers.  His stats show a groundball profile, which seems a great fit with our defense.  Can see a high K-rate, combined with groundball profile, would seem appealing for Cubs.   But yeah, hopefully they can kinda tweak up his 4-seam and get a little more out of it; and perhaps if that's more of an unexpected offspeed pitch that guys don't expect when they're thinking sinker/slider/curve, maybe he'll improve? 

Guessing Hottovy and Zombo are fired up to take a crack at helping him.   

Improving the fastball is doing something with the grip, arm slot, release point.  The 2 seamer isn’t that much better than his 4 seamer.  A lot of the improvement was a big drop in his walk rate.

Last year he was above average in his GB%, but it isn’t a heavy GB%.  The same goes for his strike out rate.  It is good, but not great.  There is definitely an upside, but he has a pretty big downside too.  The biggest risk factor for a pitcher is a previous injury and Cabrera has a ton of those.  You can certainly hope for health, but how many 28 year old pitcher suddenly find health?

Bringing back Tucker seems like a stretch, but if they do I take back all my previous complaints of Hoyer and Ricketts.  Bichette, Bellinger and Bregman don’t really move the needle for me.  They make the Cubs better, but it is a serious downgrade from Tucker.

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« Reply #2971 on: January 07, 2026, 10:48:00 pm »
Not Tico, but I’ll try. 
...The reason he’s be more valuable at SS is the positional adjustment.  SS is worth 7.5 runs and second base is 2.5 runs.  That is 0.5 WAR from just the positional difference.  That is just tough to overcome....

Ah, got it!  That explains. 

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« Reply #2972 on: January 07, 2026, 11:01:32 pm »

A pretty decent SS with 30-40 SB and slightly above average offense is going to get pretty close to Dansby money…..

Dansby got $25 AAV for a lot of years.

Where is the precedent for a Hoerner type getting close to $25 AAV for a lot of years?  Who?

As you say, Hoerner figures to be a “pretty decent SS” if gets the opportunity again.  But what guys who barely get to 10 homers get that kind of money?

Power translates to money.

Perhaps if prime Ozzie Smith was around today but Hoerner isn’t Ozzie.  Curious what no-power SS comps you see who have gotten this kind of money?

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« Reply #2973 on: January 08, 2026, 08:29:22 am »
....A pretty decent SS with 30-40 SB and slightly above average offense is going to get pretty close to Dansby money.  There is no way the Cubs can commit to paying $50 million to 2 defensive players with average offense, unless they are going to blow past and stay well above the CBT.

I'm not sure I agree.  Exceptional defense is the Cubs' identity.  Obviously $25 may exceed Hoerner's market, that's kinda high for a 7HR guy.  But there are various ways to allocate budget.  And if 4+ WAR is the actual all-encompassing value, perhaps market won't mind if that's despite no power.  Beats me.  But yeah, you can have some slightly-plus offense defensive studs blended in with some other better hitters.  if he's worth what he's worth, that's independent of Dansby. 

The ability to give raises to extend internal FA's depends on production from the farm and young players.  If Cabrera is good, next year you could let Shota go, and his $22 could cover raises for both Nico and Cabrera.  If Wiggins is dynamic, next year you could let Taillon go, and his $19 could cover some other cost increases.  If Moises looks good and somehow adds some HR power, that could make it easier to let Happ or Seiya go, and free up $20 for other applications.  Same for Alcantara, Long, and Conrad; maybe Conrad looks like a good slugger who could free up Happ's $20 soon?  Or suppose we sign Tucker but Moises emerges, next year Tucker + Moises at combined cost would be comparable to 2025 Tucker + Seiya. I ramble, but there are varying ways to fill your roster.  If we have capable young players replacing vet salaries, that's the way to go. 

I'm also convinced that winning has some revenue benefits, and that many teams who win raise their payroll some to sustain success.  So I do think bumping over the CBT is well plausible.  And who knows what the CBT levels or structure will be under the new CBA: perhaps in future years there are zero draft-pick penalties; or perhaps lux1 will jump to $270 or something. 

In the 2019 non-playoff team, Theo had $98M allocated to his veteran rotation (Lester, Hamels, Darvish, Chatwood, Quintana, Hendricks).  He poured his dollars into experienced vet starters because his farm produced nothing.  Maybe a crummy analogy, since that team didn't make the playoffs.  But a boss can allocate his money in various ways, and I don't think extending Hoerner with an appropriate raise is precluded because it's too much allocation for defense.  And second point, no team with budget limits is going to sustain long-term unless farm is able to produce capable low-salary guys to offset vet salaries, to offset raises for good veterans extending, as would be Hoerner's situation; or to offset raises for good players rising through their arb years. 

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« Reply #2974 on: January 08, 2026, 09:05:17 am »
I'm not sure I agree.  Exceptional defense is the Cubs' identity. 

There is a lot of what ifs and best case scenarios to make that work.  The downside needs to be considered too.  Sign Tucker and up the floor, that is the best option present for the Cubs. 
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« Reply #2975 on: January 08, 2026, 11:23:54 am »
After adding Edward Cabrera, the Cubs will have no excuse to be caught empty-handed when the big free-agent hitters come off the board.
The Athletic · nytimes.com


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« Reply #2977 on: January 08, 2026, 11:52:55 am »
"After the break, however, the team’s offense fell off markedly. ... The Cubs ranked only 20th in runs per game."

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« Reply #2978 on: January 08, 2026, 04:50:41 pm »
Ah, got it!  That explains. 

Yep, CBJ got it!

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« Reply #2979 on: January 08, 2026, 11:47:17 pm »
Not really buying into recent speculation that Cubs interested in Bellinger.

Recall that a year ago expectation was that Bellinger would be helped playing in Yankee Stadium dimensions.

As it turned out:

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(road)   .241-301-414

And this from The Athletic:

The New York Yankees’ latest multi-year contract offer to free-agent outfielder Cody Bellinger featured an average annual value of more than $30 million a year as Bellinger’s camp continued to push for seven years, multiple sources briefed on the ongoing talks told The Athletic on Thursday.

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« Reply #2980 on: January 09, 2026, 02:04:44 pm »
I think the Cubs like Matt Shaw at third and I even recall Hoyer making a comment earlier in the off-season that he was surprised at all the chatter on them looking for a third basemen.  I know they made an offer last year to Bergman but last year they had no real clear idea of Shaw as a 3rd basemen. But now they know he is an exceptional 3rd basemen which surprised even them. Clearly he hasn't answered all the offense questions but having a gold glove caliber 3rd base under control for six years has a lot of value.  The chatter regarding their interest in Bergman is either coming from Boras or they are really considering the idea of moving Nico.  I had not thought of the idea someone mentioned that Nico may have more value because of the ability to play SS.  I would not be surprised if the Cubs made a 3 year extension offer to Nico and he turned it down believing he will have much bigger offers in free agency.  That essentially gives the Cubs "permission" to see what his trade value is and provide an opening for Bergman. If they went to Bergman, they could move Shaw to second too....
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« Reply #2981 on: January 09, 2026, 02:47:06 pm »
There seems to be some doubt about whether Bichette would be any more than fair defensively at 3B.  If we acquire him, Shaw could start periodically while also potentially serving as a late inning defensive replacement.

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« Reply #2982 on: January 09, 2026, 02:49:05 pm »
I would love for them to offer Nico a decent contract.  I believe he loves being a Cub at Wrigley and would sign a deal for less than he might get in free agency if it was reasonable.  If it is reasonable and he declines, then I'm wrong and we wave goodbye.
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« Reply #2983 on: January 09, 2026, 02:59:36 pm »
I agree that the Cubs seem to be happy with the prospect of Shaw playing third base for them

Except

I also believe that they would like to add a power bat, and third base might be the only practical way to do that.  First base is taken.  Left field is taken.  And unless they want to make Suzuki their full time pinch hitter, so is right field.  That doesn't really allow a significant increase in power other than the third base position.
I also think that they are happy with Hoerner at second base, and are probably willing to extend him in a contract that they feel is reasonable.  But they also have the option of trading Hoerner, and moving Shaw to second base, if they feel that they HAVE to add power somewhere.  Which option they take (or any other options that we have not mentioned) probably depends upon a number of factors that are beyond their control, and so probably even the Cubs management are not sure at this point which direction they should take.
Personally, I would be quite happy for them to play this season with substantially their current roster, and find out more completely, how good Shaw and Ballesteros are, and what price it will take to extend Hoerner, or what he will bring in trade at the deadline, if that is appropriate.  At the very least, they will go into the 2027 season knowing what the playing field will be under the new labor agreement, having a better idea how Wiggens will progress, and more information to base a forecast of the value of Hodge, Brown, and Conrad.  And go into the off season with a free budget of about 200 million dollars to work with.

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« Reply #2984 on: January 09, 2026, 03:27:57 pm »
Shaw was one of the three 3B finalists for NL Gold Glove (and one of the other two finalists—Ryan McMahon— isn’t even in NL anymore).

Would be very peculiar to move a guy like this off his position of value, particularly with a young player with a long career ahead of him.

Further, Shaw hit 11 homers in just 205 PAs in second half, slugging .522 in that period.

Still, I would very much want to see Cubs sign one of the four big FA bats. Offensively, Cubs need another thumper—aside from positional impact on Shaw.

Seems pretty clear that Cubs internal preference is Bregman. Team leader type and perhaps Cubs feel he will age well.  I get that.

Aside from age compared to Bregman, Bichette vis a vis Matt Shaw might be a better fit for Cubs because guessing that Bichette might be amenable to DHing 60 games whereas Bregman will want to be a full-time 3B.

Bichette will be moving off his career position wherever he signs, so perhaps willing to be flexible so long as gets 150 starts and his 600 PAs.

So, Bichette 60 games starting at DH, Bichette starting 10 games at 2B with Nico at SS for a resting Swanson, Bichette maybe starting a few games back at SS, and another 10 games on days off as a starter.

That gives Shaw 80+ games to start at 3B.  Can’t really do that with Bregman.

In any case, let’s get that bat.