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« Reply #6390 on: April 20, 2023, 06:35:29 pm »
Used to be, but due to immigration from Red states, its solidly red now.   Sumter county has added something like 90% red voters in the villages, that goes a long ways in state wide elections.

Same with Tampa, LOTS of red tech workers that could work remote after covid, and not pay state taxes and enjoy Tampa weather.... all moved here en masse... Thats why property values in Tampa have exploded and are not slowing down even with current interest rates.

It still only voted for Drumpf by a couple of points in 2020.  Its not Tennessee or West Virginia, is my point, and theoretically not a place where a fascist can go completely unchecked as in states like that.  RD is going to come out of 24 looking like a loser, and I think its a valid question whether that will matter at home.

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« Reply #6391 on: April 20, 2023, 06:43:09 pm »
It still only voted for Drumpf by a couple of points in 2020.  Its not Tennessee or West Virginia, is my point, and theoretically not a place where a fascist can go completely unchecked as in states like that.  RD is going to come out of 24 looking like a loser, and I think its a valid question whether that will matter at home.

Ahh look at the State vote for state house/senate/governor....

Those tell a very very different story. The presidential vote, was more a reflection of moderate republicans not voting for Trump, then overall state vote.

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« Reply #6392 on: April 20, 2023, 07:42:22 pm »
Desantis won Miami/Dade county.

Not purple for the foreseeable future.

Beyond that, things can change but not anytime soon it appears.

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« Reply #6393 on: April 20, 2023, 08:26:03 pm »
2022 looked like it did in Florida because of turnout, not demographics.  Turnout was disastrously low in D areas across the state (and there are some).  It doesnt help that the Florida Democratic Party is totally incompetent, but turnout can make it purple if it reverts to something closer to what youd consider normal (which 2022 decidedly was not).

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« Reply #6394 on: April 20, 2023, 08:32:59 pm »
Desantis is going to be term limited as governor, so unless he goes after Scotts senate seat hes going to be frozen out of politics.  My BIL who had fallen off the ledge with politics is finally starting to see the light with Trump and Desantis.

I think a lot of Desantiss appeal was he went hard against COVID restrictions, even though it killed a ton people, people bought into his vision.  The fact that he kept falling off the deep end is going to hurt the Republican Party in the suburbs.  The culture wars dont play as well, it might not matter in Florida, but it will hurt them in other states that havent had the influx of nutballs.

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« Reply #6395 on: April 20, 2023, 10:38:14 pm »
He might sit out 26 with an eye on running for Gov again in 4 years.  Thats the drawback for politicians in a state where one party controls everything - unless you want to start a civil war and primary an incumbent, there are no openings unless someone retires.

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« Reply #6396 on: April 21, 2023, 07:07:16 am »
Texas just passed a law for school prayers. This will go to SCOTUS and they will now overturn Engel v Vitale. God help us all. This country is going backwards in a hurry.

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« Reply #6397 on: April 22, 2023, 10:18:43 pm »
I hope Belgium understands, this means war.

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« Reply #6398 on: April 24, 2023, 11:35:44 am »
Tucker Carlson has been fired by Fox News. Love to see it, finally some actual consequences for his constant lying, fearmongering, and bigotry.
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« Reply #6399 on: April 24, 2023, 11:52:33 am »
Fire Laura Ingraham next....
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« Reply #6400 on: April 24, 2023, 12:44:37 pm »
He might sit out 26 with an eye on running for Gov again in 4 years.  Thats the drawback for politicians in a state where one party controls everything - unless you want to start a civil war and primary an incumbent, there are no openings unless someone retires.

If his goal is the presidency he almost has to run this year.  He's term limited so the earliest he could run for governor again is 2030.  If we are looking at Biden vs Trump again (yuck) that means 2228 will be an open presidential election.  DeSantis is going to have a tough time being the Republican front runner if he hasn't done anything for 2 years.  If he run for governor again in 2030 and wins, he would have to resign to as governor to run in 2032 (assuming a Democrat wins in 2028).  If a Republican wins in 2028, then he can't run until 2036.  That is a long time to keep presidential momentum going, especially when your base voters are boomers.

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« Reply #6401 on: April 24, 2023, 12:56:13 pm »
Reagan was elected Governor in 1966 and served 2 terms thru 1974/5. Then elected President in 1980.

Nixon out of power after VP ended in 1960-61 and elected President in 1968.

In both cases, they were very active in the interim periods supporting other candidates, raising money for them, and the like.

DeSantis, on the other hand, doesnt seem to like being around people much and doing basic retail politics and, therefore, might actually have a problem being out of office. Is he capable of ingratiating himself to the political environment nationally when out of office (or anytime for that matter)? Perhaps not.

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« Reply #6402 on: May 16, 2023, 11:13:52 pm »
Funny how important turnout can be.  A Democrat wins the mayors office in Jacksonville for only the 2nd time ever.  And it wasnt all that close.  Obviously not a good sign for DeSantis, but I think it puts the notion that Florida is now a deep red state to the lie.  Turnout was terrible for the Ds in 2022 in FL, and they got massacred.  This time, in a light red city, they won comfortably.

Trump will still win Florida in any election thats really close nationally, but the Ds would be dumb to write it off altogether.  Keeping it close will help a lot of candidates down ballot, and FL is one of the only states where they have even a remote chance to pick up a Republican Senate seat in 24.
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« Reply #6403 on: May 17, 2023, 02:59:03 am »
Meanwhile, in Colorado Springs - one of the most conservative cities in the country historically - Democrat-aligned independent Yemi Mobolade won the mayoral runoff.  By 14 points.  Mobolade is a Nigerian immigrant and the first person of color to be mayor of C.S., and the first Democrat (effectively) in generations.

Two takeaways here.  First, Colorado is getting bluer at a faster rate than just about any state in the country.  And the Trump brand is still a massive albatross around the Republican partys neck.
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« Reply #6404 on: May 17, 2023, 09:28:20 am »
Republicans going down there current course are going to have a huge suburb problem.  Even in red states there is going to be a large city vs rural division and the rural population is the one that is decreasing. 
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