Author Topic: 2016 NFL Draft  (Read 46296 times)

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16064
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #420 on: March 22, 2016, 07:15:48 pm »
What about Ego Ferguson, our second round pick from last year?  Isnt he supposed to be a DE?  And what if Leno/Massie crap out.  Leno more so, but still, we could use an OT. 

He isn't a 3/4 DE. He was drafted as a 4/3 DT. And as of this moment we could use a swing tackle to backup Leno and Massie.
That doesn't mean we have to draft a stud LOT at #11

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6034
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #421 on: March 22, 2016, 07:25:51 pm »
Well I guess if we grabbed Stanley or Conklin at 11, that wouldn't be good for Leno, since he blew chunks at RT.  I wonder why he did better at LT.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16064
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #422 on: March 22, 2016, 07:30:47 pm »
Because certain offensive linemen cant play on either side of the center. The blocking assignments are different

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2864
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #423 on: March 23, 2016, 06:27:34 am »
He was also a year older with a different staff.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9029
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #424 on: March 23, 2016, 08:07:19 am »
Would disagree about only needing depth at OLB and corner. We could upgrade at both those spots. So far we have McPhee, the two recent signees in the middle Trevathan and ....forget his name, and then who on the other outside? We could use a infusion of youth there. Safey is a mess and can definitely use upgrading and the corner spots we have a unproven young guy and?? Porter?? We need help there...

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16064
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #425 on: March 23, 2016, 08:29:47 am »
It seems to me only depth is needed according to Moon Mullin. According to the article Pace is satisfied with Houston and his 8 sacks last year according to this:

Home Page
chsn · csnchicago.com



And maybe I was wrong about Ferguson too. Looks like the Bears are counting on him for at least depth. I still believe that the Bears go 3/4 DE in the draft at #11. I could even see a slight tradedown. I don't envision a tradedown with say Denver at the bottom of the 1st or trade out of the 1st.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16064
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #426 on: March 23, 2016, 08:45:19 am »
I could see a swap of 1sts with the Jets provided they traded Wilkerson to the Bears in the deal. The Jets are at 20 and they might want Paxton Lynch there.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6034
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #427 on: March 23, 2016, 09:14:53 am »
OLB Leonard Floyd, Georgia (6-6, 244) Junior, Age: 23

Accomplishments

A three-year starter for the Bulldogs, Floyd led Georgia's defense in sack all three seasons. In 2015, he tied for the team lead with 10.5 tackles for loss, for which he was named a finalist for the Butkus Award, given to the nation's top linebacker. He had knee surgery at the end of the 2014 season. Tallied 17 sacks during his collegiate career.

Combine Results

40-yard dash: 4.60
Vertical jump: 39.5 inches
Broad jump: 10-7

He was Top 10 among combine linebackers in all three drills.

Pro Day Results

Vertical jump: 35 inches
20-yard shuttle: 4.32
3-cone drill: 7.18

Positives

-Extremely versatile defender. Played 4-3 ILB, 4-3 OLB, 4-3 DE, 3-4 OLB and 3-4 ILB.
-Comes off the edge as if shot out of a cannon. Speed rusher with the ability to easily dip and turn the corner. Outstanding counter move he uses after setting up blocker with his edge rush. Quick swim move.
-Has enough upper-body power to plow through blockers once he gains leverage.
-Uses arms and hands very well to create separation. Easily sheds blocks.
-Very aware defender who keeps his eyes in the backfield. Tracks ball carriers well.
-Plays with fire. Always gives full effort in pursuit. He can be dangerous from the backside if unblocked.
-Quick feet and agile. Can sidestep cut blocks.
-Good closing burst. Long strides help him close ground in a hurry.
-Experienced in coverage. Looks comfortable in zone sets. Has experience covering slot. Quick hips and feet allow him to turn and run with tight ends. His height is an advantage in coverage.
-Unpredictable pass rusher. His length makes life miserable for opposing blockers.

Negatives

-A little thin. Once bigger blockers get into his chest, he's done.
-Doesn't bring much pop. More of a finesse player.
-Not a consistent tackler.
-Needs to relax on the field. Gets into pushing matches at the slightest provocation. Talks too much.

Is Floyd worth the 11th overall pick in the draft?

Floyd is a rare breed. He can play multiple positions, and he plays all of them well. His best fit is at 3-4 OLB, an area in which the Bears could use some speed. Yet Floyd can also line up at inside linebacker or with his hand in the dirt. His positional flexibility is one of his best assets.

He sheds blocks with ease and does so while keeping his eyes in the backfield. Most of the time, it appears he's not even trying when he disengages from offensive linemen and tight ends. In fact, tight ends have very little chance of keeping him locked up. When Floyd is blocked, he doesn't stay tied up for long.

Floyd has great on-field character, in that he gives full effort on every play, even those run away from him. He pursues until the whistle and has an obvious passion for the game. He has no issue doing the dirty work of taking on blocks at the point of attack, yet he's wiry enough to still fight through and make plays. His thin frame allows him to slip through tiny cracks.

Floyd brings ideal awareness to the field. He can work through the wash of bodies with ease and rarely gets tripped up in pursuit. He has outstanding playing speed and can run stride for stride with tight ends. He does very well stringing out stretch plays in his direction.

As a pass rusher, Floyd has double-digit sack potential in the NFL. He comes off the ball hard and uses his top-tier burst to beat offensive tackles around the edge. If the blocker begins cheating outside, Floyd will use his elite change-of-direction ability to cross the OT's face with lightning quick counter and swim moves. He has a full pass-rush arsenal.

There are very few negatives with Floyd's game. He needs to improve his open-field tackling but other than that, he's the real deal. His tape is extremely impressive, while his versatility should have a creative defensive coordinator like Vic Fangio drooling.

With the 11th overall pick, Floyd could immediately and effectively serve as the last piece to Chicago's front-seven puzzle.








Chicago Bears First-Round Prospect: OLB Shaw Lawson

Jeremy Stoltz

Yesterday at 12:31 PM



The Chicago Bears have added plenty of beef to the defensive line over the past two seasons, yet there's one player in this draft who could bring even more grown-man power to the outside linebacker position.

With that in mind, I broke down extensive game film of Clemson DE/OLB Shaq Lawson, a potential pick for the Bears at 11th overall.

Shaq Lawson, Clemson (6-3, 269) Junior, Age: 21

Accomplishments

Lawson was a backup for the Tigers his first two seasons, yet he still managed to rack up double digit tackles for loss in both seasons (10 in 2013, 11 in 2014). He became the full-time starter last year and went on a tear, tallying 25.5 tackles for loss and 12.5 sacks. He was named first-team All-SEC and a consensus All-American.

Combine Results

40-yard dash: 4.70
Vertical jump: 33.0 inches
Broad jump: 10-0
3-cone drill: 7.16
20-yard shuttle: 4.21

His 40-yard dash and his short shuttle were Top 10 at the combine among defensive ends.

Positives


-Has an NFL-ready frame. Thick legs and a barrel chest.
-Consistent tackler who drops ball carriers once he gets his hands on them. Brings pop. Downhill player.
-His upper-body strength makes him hard to move off his spot.
-Shocking hand punch, which he uses to throw blockers on their heels before extending his arms. When he creates separation, he can easily shed blocks.
-Impressive bull rush. When he gains leverage, he can drive offensive tackles into the quarterback.
-Uses active hands to swat away blocks. Strong rip move. Powers through arm blocks once he's on a blocker's hip.
-Legit spin move that can make blockers look silly.
-Experience working in both 2- and 4-point stance. Can line up at 5-technique if needed.
-Limited experience in coverage.

Negatives

-Doesn't explode off the ball. Lacks ideal quickness and change-of-direction ability.
-Doesn't show great game speed.
-While he shows good awareness in coverage, he's not quick enough to make plays when the ball is in the air.
-Lacks ideal lateral agility.
-Despite his power, he doesn't explode into blockers on pulls and leads, choosing instead to work around the block and avoid contact.
-Takes plays off, especially those run away from him.
-Can be dropped by cut blocks. Does not use hands well enough to keep his balance.
-Played exclusively on the right side in 2015.

Is Lawson worth the 11th overall pick in the draft?

Lawson's collegiate numbers are very impressive. As a rotational player his first two years at Clemson, he managed 21 tackles for loss. He then eclipsed that total (25.5) his junior year.

When Lawson gains leverage or is able to maneuver around a block, he can be an extremely disruptive force in opposing backfields. He doesn't miss tackles, so when he locks onto running backs, they go down.

His best attribute is his spin move, which is nearly unblockable. One has to wonder why he didn't use it more often.

In a 3-4 defense like the Bears run, Lawson brings considerable positional versatility. He can line up at OLB and be an every-down player, or he can slide inside to 5-technique on run downs, as he's capable of eating up double teams.

While Lawson is a grow-ass man who posted ridiculous numbers in college, there are some substantial concerns in terms of how he projects at the next level.

First, he doesn't give full effort on every play and he wears down dramatically as games progress. For those reasons, he'll best fit in a rotation, and part-time players aren't ideal at 11th overall.

Second, he lacks burst and quickness. He lumbers at times and doesn't have the natural bend to turn the corner as an edge rusher. He also lacks ideal flexibility.

Third, while he's powerful, he doesn't always show it and he's shockingly easy to block sometimes.

In terms of size and power, Lawson brings it all and his game compares favorably with those of Pernell McPhee and Lamarr Houston. But that's the problem, the Bears already have two players with similar skill sets. On film, he looks much better suited as a 4-3 defensive end, who will likely have more value against the run than he will on passing downs.

Lawson is going to be a good football player but it's doubtful he'll have enough all-around impact to justify using the 11th overall pick on him.

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14454
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #428 on: March 23, 2016, 09:24:30 am »
I love Leonard Floyd.

Before the combine, I was able to get him pretty regularly in the 2nd round in most mocks I ran...not so much now, though...

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7112
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #429 on: March 23, 2016, 09:35:50 am »

dallas I have to disagree with regards to the Jets. Their GM came out and said they were not actively shopping Wilkerson,but,made it pretty clear they would listen. If Pace and Fox want him they could get him IMO.

Interesting.  Wilkerson is only 26 and a rare talent - a double digit sacking 3-4 DE.

Dallas no love for A. Hicks as starting DE?  I do think we grab one early in draft.  Top 4 needs as I see them in order.

1. Shutdown CB
2. Starting caliber LT
3. Starting caliber DE
4. Starting caliber S


Oh no, I like the Hicks signing.  We just need someone on the other side.  I don't know that LT is the #2 top need but that doesn't prevent the Bears from drafting one at 11 because of the grade.  Leno did a helluva job (only 5.5 sacks) last year filling in for Bushrod but do they pass on a stud LT if available at 11?

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7112
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #430 on: March 23, 2016, 09:44:54 am »
Would disagree about only needing depth at OLB and corner. We could upgrade at both those spots. So far we have McPhee, the two recent signees in the middle Trevathan and ....forget his name, and then who on the other outside? We could use a infusion of youth there. Safey is a mess and can definitely use upgrading and the corner spots we have a unproven young guy and?? Porter?? We need help there...

I agree and disagree about OLB.  We have 3 pretty good pass rushing OLBs right now.  McPhee was a force early on in the season until he injured his knee (supposedly is going to lose some weight in the offseason) and ended up with 6 sacks.  Houston coming off his ACL in 2014 ended strong with 8 sacks.  And Willie Young who never played 3-4 OLB and was coming off an achilles finished strong with 6.5 sacks. 

Solid group.

But pass rushing OLB is the key position in our D - if you have the opportunity to draft a stud you do it.

And I agree that safety and CB need an upgrade.  I don't think there is talent at safety at our pick in round 1 but CB is certainly an option.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7112
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #431 on: March 23, 2016, 09:49:57 am »

I could see a swap of 1sts with the Jets provided they traded Wilkerson to the Bears in the deal. The Jets are at 20 and they might want Paxton Lynch there.

I think the Bears would do that in a hearbeat.  More likely though would be us giving up pick 11 and maybe getting back the Jets second or third round pick (essentially a bigger trade down).  Kind of like what the Jets did to us when we traded Brandon Marshall.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16064
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #432 on: March 23, 2016, 09:54:46 am »
It APPEARS the Bears are positioning themselves to take a DE at #11. Now maybe its a smoke screen but its just my observation. Personally I like Robinson at #11 and maybe a CB in the 2nd, and a Safety in the 3rd.

As for OT, I think we've seen via Mocks Dave23 has done good options for a developmental swing tackle will be available later. When Pace was in NO they drafted solid Olinemen late in the draft and developed them. I expect Pace to do the same with the Bears.

I'd also like to see the Bears take a TE even if they get the RFA from the Saints. They could even find some OT somewhere who has good hands and develop him as a TE.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7112
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #433 on: March 23, 2016, 10:03:34 am »

Here's the argument for NOT taking a 3-4 DE at pick 11:

Unless the DE is a difference maker and I mean a very good pass rusher  I don't want to spend pick 11 on a run stopper that is a part time player and comes out on 3rd down.  On 3rd down (passing) we're going to see 2 of our OLBs line up at DE and probably Goldman line up at DT with Hicks at the other DT.

Yeah, we need a starting quality 3-4 DE (right now it's the biggest hole on the team) but this draft is deep at this position so I'd be leaning more to taking a playmaker at 11...or possibly a stud LT.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7112
Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #434 on: March 23, 2016, 10:07:19 am »

I'd also like to see the Bears take a TE even if they get the RFA from the Saints. They could even find some OT somewhere who has good hands and develop him as a TE.


I'd be stunned if we don't take a TE in the 3rd or 4th round.  Our depth chart at TE is horrid.  A 32 year old oft injured starter with absolute crap backing him up.

As for a tackle conversion, they rarely work out.  Just like the articles about converting basketball players to TE.  Sure, it's happened in the past but your better off taking a FA rookie and trying  that and not wasting a draft pick.