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Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #435 on: March 23, 2016, 10:12:29 am »
Here's the argument for NOT taking a 3-4 DE at pick 11:

Unless the DE is a difference maker and I mean a very good pass rusher  I don't want to spend pick 11 on a run stopper that is a part time player and comes out on 3rd down.  On 3rd down (passing) we're going to see 2 of our OLBs line up at DE and probably Goldman line up at DT with Hicks at the other DT.

Yeah, we need a starting quality 3-4 DE (right now it's the biggest hole on the team) but this draft is deep at this position so I'd be leaning more to taking a playmaker at 11...or possibly a stud LT.

We already have that in Ferguson. Good point. It is deep but the candidates fit more for a 4/3 DE which is not what we are looking for. We need more of a Hicks size DE to make it a bookend on the line.

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Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #436 on: March 23, 2016, 10:14:40 am »
I like so far what they've done in FA. Now if we get a solid draft, they could drastically change the outlook for this team this season. The only issue I see is that of not playing together. It may take a season or two to get it together on D. Or it may gel in one season. There's a lot of shifting bodies on the team and to expect it all to come together in one season is a high expectation.

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Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #437 on: March 23, 2016, 10:18:58 am »
I could see a swap of 1sts with the Jets provided they traded Wilkerson to the Bears in the deal. The Jets are at 20 and they might want Paxton Lynch there.

I think the Bears would do that in a hearbeat.  More likely though would be us giving up pick 11 and maybe getting back the Jets second or third round pick (essentially a bigger trade down).  Kind of like what the Jets did to us when we traded Brandon Marshall.

You are right we would have to sweeten the deal but I cant see the Bears coughing up a 2nd or 3rd in addition to a 1st round swap, but I could see the Bears coughing up the Pats 4th or even their own 4th instead

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Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #438 on: March 23, 2016, 10:29:27 am »

We already have that in Ferguson. Good point. It is deep but the candidates fit more for a 4/3 DE which is not what we are looking for. We need more of a Hicks size DE to make it a bookend on the line.

Yeah, we have Unrein, Ferguson, and maybe Sutton.  And I'm still holding out hope for Cornelius Washington playing a 3-4 DE.  I think we can find a big 3-4 DE in round 2.

And 4-3 DEs and 3-4 OLBs are generally interchangeable.  Guys like Shaq Lawson, Kevin Dodd, and Leonard Floyd.

You are right we would have to sweeten the deal but I cant see the Bears coughing up a 2nd or 3rd in addition to a 1st round swap, but I could see the Bears coughing up the Pats 4th or even their own 4th instead

Not saying that I'm saying we give up #11 and get Wilkerson and the Jets #2 or #3 pick.  Think of the Bennett and Marshall trades.

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Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #439 on: March 23, 2016, 10:32:17 am »

Check out this recent mock based on free agency signings - unless I missed something A'Shawn Robinson doesn't even go in round 1:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/03/23/2016-nfl-mock-draft-a-post-free-agency-first-round-projection/

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Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #440 on: March 23, 2016, 10:43:20 am »
  And I'm still holding out hope for Cornelius Washington playing a 3-4 DE.  I think we can find a big 3-4 DE in round 2.

I don't see that happening. Which players with Hicks size do you see falling to the 2nd/3rd rounds? I doubt Robinson gets by the Redskins.
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Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #441 on: March 23, 2016, 11:03:37 am »
Who are the names that you absolutely DO NOT pass on if available at #11?

Tunsil, Buckner, Bosa are pretty obvious choices.

What about Hargreaves? Stanley? Jack? Goff? Wentz? Ramsey?


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Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #442 on: March 23, 2016, 11:17:07 am »
Probably Hargraves Tunsil, Buckner and Ramsey. Pass on Bosa, Stanley

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Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #443 on: March 23, 2016, 11:34:53 am »

Potential 3-4 DEs that might be available with our pick in round 2:

32 *Kevin Dodd DE 6 Clemson rJr 6-5 277 1-2
35 Vernon Butler DT 6 Louisiana Tech Sr 6-4 323 1-2
36 *Kenny Clark DT 7 UCLA Jr 6-3 314 1-2
41 Jonathan Bullard DE 7 Florida Sr 6-3 285 2
44 *Austin Johnson DT 8 Penn State rJr 6-4 314 2

Personally, I like Bullard.

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« Reply #444 on: March 23, 2016, 11:50:38 am »
I don't know. I just haven't seen a lot of those players play. But just guessing by size alone I would like Dodd because with his height he might be able to pick up some weight or maybe Butler. Or even Ogbah. Bullard is about where he should be weight wise.  Somebody with more talent in football would be a better judge of talent. But I would say this.....if the Bears identify who THEY prefer....and he wont last till round 2 they better either take him at 11 or trade down and take him there. Because you don't want somebody trading above you and taking your player. Sometimes you have to overpay.

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Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #445 on: March 23, 2016, 11:51:26 am »
In most of my mocks, Dodd is gone by our pick in the 2nd, but those other guys are all available.

I like Butler and Bullard.

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Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #446 on: March 23, 2016, 12:05:19 pm »

nfl.com says Butler compares to Muhammed Wilkerson.

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« Reply #447 on: March 23, 2016, 12:14:19 pm »
Butler has the right measureables but he played for a small school. Bullard is more a 4/3 guy. I guess based on that I'd still take Butler. But measureables isn't the only criteria, its how they play and can they adapt. In the past the Bears have gone cheap and gone small school because they might have to pay big money to keep a player if they took some name player from a big school rather than taking the best player. My point here is that you are at #11, you desperately need a DE to play in a 3/4 and Buckner will be gone. You have to come out of the draft with the next best fit. You have to identify who that is and you have to get him whether its at 11 or somewhere in between rounds 1 and 2.

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Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #448 on: March 23, 2016, 12:21:01 pm »
nfl.com says Butler compares to Muhammed Wilkerson.

Well then maybe that's the guy we should go for, but then again I am just a fan , not a football expert

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Re: 2016 NFL Draft
« Reply #449 on: March 23, 2016, 01:56:15 pm »
I think I would be pretty dang happy if this happened:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/draft/mock/hub-arkush/