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« Reply #990 on: July 31, 2011, 02:08:03 pm »
Weaver just got tossed from the Tigers/Angels game.

Guillen took one deep, and gave it a good look before running. Weaver took objection, and the two jawed back and forth when Guillen finally started to 1B. The next pitch to Aliva was over his head, and Weaver was immediately tossed.

He got his money's worth on his way off the field, too...
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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #991 on: July 31, 2011, 05:07:34 pm »
Boy what a dud of a trade deadline
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« Reply #992 on: August 01, 2011, 09:08:22 am »
Quote from: buff on July 31, 2011, 05:07:34 pm
Boy what a dud of a trade deadline
Not only that, I can't recall a single deal involving the ubiquitous PTBNL.
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« Reply #993 on: August 01, 2011, 09:10:09 am »
The Jimenez deal included a PTBNL.  But it's widely known that the PTBNL will be Drew Pomeranz (who can't be traded yet because he signed less than a year ago).
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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #994 on: August 01, 2011, 09:47:24 am »
The Tribe will regret that...
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« Reply #995 on: August 01, 2011, 01:40:04 pm »
does anyone here really know what Hendry was asking for Byrd? i find it awfully hard to believe he would not trade him or anyone else for that matter that would not bring back a return that would actually help the organization. i suspect no one was offering crap for Byrd or our other trade possible players. i would not trade a player just to make a trade-only if the trade made sense and i suspect the players offered in return to us, was not worth anything.
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« Reply #996 on: August 01, 2011, 02:03:00 pm »
I wanted to see Pena and Byrd traded, if truly quality players could be received in return, and was disappointed nothing was done by the deadline, other than trading Fukudome - who would be gone next year no matter what.  It's certainly possible that no one offered that.  We'll never know, I suppose.  Getting rid of either without getting significant value in return would be nothing more than a symbolic act.
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« Reply #997 on: August 01, 2011, 02:18:37 pm »
The overwhelming sentiment from everyone I'm reading--from hacks like Phil Rogers to good writers with connections like Jonah Keri all the way to respectable insiders like Jayson Stark and Ken Rosenthal--is that the Cubs pretty much closed up shop.  No one seems to have the impression that Hendry aggressively shopped anyone.  I again point to all the reports we heard by Saturday afternoon/early evening--24 hours before the deadline--that the Cubs front office was saying Pena, Byrd, etc. were going nowhere.  Hendry was quoted on Friday (I believe) as saying that he didn't expect any big deals.  A team that just doesn't get the quality players it wants doesn't stop trying a day or more before the deadline.

If there was any evidence that Hendry simply didn't get good offers, I don't think people would be as frustrated.  But every indication is that for some reason, Hendry just consciously decided that he wasn't going to trade players. 
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« Reply #998 on: August 01, 2011, 02:30:14 pm »
Yeah, that's what I'm hearing/seeing/reading, too, br.

This whole, "No team was offering what we thought was fair," thing is just spin from Jim Hendry.

Everyone else is saying that the Cubs weren't talking to anyone.  Tom Verducci (Sports Illustrated, MLB Network) was on the Dan Patrick Show today and he said that Hendry was telling everyone that any player that was under club control for 2012 was untouchable.  They weren't even willing to discuss a bench player like Jeff Baker.  They traded Kosuke Fukudome and closed up shop.

At this point, it seems like they're planning on bringing back the same team and hoping for different results.
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« Reply #999 on: August 01, 2011, 02:36:20 pm »
If nothing else, Hendry should have traded Pena for whatever salary relief he could get.

I can understand holding on to Byrd if they were offered a package significantly weaker than what the Astros got for Bourn, which seems likely.

Also, there's no reason to trade Jeff Baker or Reed Johnson for garbage.

One of the many frustrating things about Hendry is his apparent unwillingness to use his good people skills and his relationships to "push" a trade on guys like Wood or Ramirez.  Tell them that it would really help out the ballclub if they accepted being traded and then ask them if they'd do that favor for you.  Of course, we don't know what really happened, but it seems like Hendry asks if they want to be traded and, when they say 'no', that's the end of it.  Hendry's a good-natured incompetent and these guys might very well be happy to help him out in that way.  Like when you do nice things for those dopier and otherwise less fortunate than yourself.
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« Reply #1000 on: August 01, 2011, 04:06:57 pm »
I'm not sure that Hendry could have got much more for Pena than he got for Kosuke.  Beats me why anyone would get bent out of shape for passing on that kind of return for Pena.

Further, Pena may well be back in 2012.  Trading him away makes it a bit harder to bring him back.  It happens sometimes, but not often.

Also, there's at least an outside chance that Pena could end up a Type B.  I know he does not project as a Type B  now, but that could change by the end of the season. 

As it turns out, Hendry could have traded Pena and picked up Lyle Overby off the scrapheap to replace him for ther rest of the seasn.  Not sure Hendry could have anticpated that but, in any case, it would be kind of embarassing to be picking up flotsam from the Pirates at this stage of the season.  Even in this horrid season, there are limits.

Finally, I'm guessing that Hendry is a bit worried about losing 100 games.  Cubs have not lost 100 since 1966 and it's a benchmark of sorts. 

 
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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1001 on: August 01, 2011, 04:46:14 pm »
Yeah, while Byrd was out we did a lot worse. win-loss-wise, oh...wait...

Byrd is not a difference maker.
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« Reply #1002 on: August 01, 2011, 06:35:06 pm »
Quote from: brjones on August 01, 2011, 02:18:37 pm
But every indication is that for some reason, Hendry just consciously decided that he wasn't going to trade players.

Try to figure it out.

In the past Hendry has shown no reluctance to trade, including mid-season trades.  ARam, Simon and Lofton all came in mid-season of his first year, in two separate trades.  A year when he also traded Mark Bellhorn mid-season, after Bellhorn was a favorite from the prior season.

In 2004, Nomar was a mid-season trade, and a fairly big one.

In 2005, he moved Hollandsworth for prospects, and weak prospects at that.

In 2006, he remained paralyzed when Lee went down with injury... but that paralysis corresponded with McPhail's final days with the team and may have been related to it.  Each off-season he made numerous major moves, changing the starting roster considerably each year.

In 2007, he moved Barrett and picked up Kendall.

This is the guy who was negotiating a FA signing (Lilly?) while he was having a heart attack.... and went ahead to finish the phone call and wrap up the move.  So he has shown a willingness, even an eagerness to trade, or make moves, even mid-year.  He has also always shown a great desire to do what his superiors want, which is likely why he has stuck around so long.

Ricketts really, sincerely, seemed to believe that the only problem this year was that the team suffered a few injuries.   And we saw no movement at the trade deadline.

What had changed?  I don't think Hendry has changed, or his understanding of how to work a deal, or his desire to win.  What else could there be, what else could there be.....
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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1003 on: August 02, 2011, 10:32:46 am »
This apparently appeared on the video board at a Rangers game.  Every park in the league should display it at least 3 times a game.


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Re: Around Baseball
« Reply #1004 on: August 02, 2011, 10:36:33 am »
BR, where's the suprapinatus muscle?  I suspect that there's a joke here that I'm not getting.
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