Author Topic: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)  (Read 78410 times)

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #525 on: February 21, 2015, 12:03:03 am »
The high end.

Okay, put aside Pujols-type offense for Posada, where you're not certain of relative framing value.

Does high end confidence mean you'd take Jose Molina (OPS+ of 64) as your long-term career catcher over Posada straight up (121 OPS+)?

To keep things simple I'm going to assume baserunning and regular defense have similar values.  Yan Gome had a wRC+ of 121 last year and was worth 13 runs on offense in 518 AB.  Molina had a wRC+ of 69 in 2013 which over 518 would be -20 runs.  So Molina's pitch framing would have to be 33 runs in difference.  I think that is quite possible when comparing a bad framer to a good framer to be worth that much.  Would I want/have the balls to do it?  It would be really close to when I would consider it, if I had the bats in the lineup to support having such a drag on the offense.  It would be easier to do it in the AL with DH.

I'd rather have Montero over Molina any day of the week.  I'd much rather have Schwarber be good at framing pitches than either Monterro or Molina. 😛

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #526 on: February 21, 2015, 10:30:52 am »
I don't think there are many that are saying that framing is worthless or meaningless.  But a lot of us just don't buy into the magnitude of the value.

But the greater the value, the greater the reason to automate ball and strike calls.  We use technology to ensure that calls in the field are correct, even to the point of delaying the game interminably.  Let's use that same technology, without the delays, to make sure that ball and strike calls are correct.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #527 on: February 21, 2015, 11:02:51 am »
Pitch framing, instant replay, the height of the mound, left handed vs. right handed first basemen are all little nuances.  A catcher hustles down the first base line to backup infield throws and how often does it happen that he saves the day?  An intentional walk becomes a disaster as the pitcher lobs the ball over the catcher...happen often?  Little things.

First batter up, first pitch, umpire calls it a strike, while the announcers and the bench groan because it was a foot outside.  Important blown call?  Probably not.

Bases loaded, 9th inning, 3-2 count, down by a run, same call.  This time vitally important.

Pitch framing's importance is dependent on game situation.  Greg Maddux seemed to think it was important.  So did Steve Carlton.  Didn't help them on every pitch, but it did on critical crucial pitches.


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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #528 on: February 23, 2015, 01:24:38 pm »
Let's assume pigs can fly....
And lets assume Jes can still practice law

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #529 on: February 23, 2015, 01:40:17 pm »
LMAO

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #530 on: February 23, 2015, 02:51:24 pm »
And lets assume Jes can still practice law

jacey, other than a personal dig, the relevance of that would be what?

At one point you had more than 10% of your posts which were attempts at personal digs at me, and most of them appearing to be based on the misguided assumption that the digs bother.  Do you think I have forgotten my disbarrment?  Do you think others here are unaware of it?  Do you think it makes you look smarter to have remembered it?  Or perhaps that it makes you look classier to have brought it up?

If you just want to get that personal attack percentage back up, you could always adopt a personal avatar which would perhaps be something like: Jes Beard still disbarred!  You know, get it in with every post.

But if you really want to get in digs that would bother far more, make sure your future posts also point out that I have also become impotent in my old age.  Bothers WAY more than disbarrment.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #531 on: February 23, 2015, 04:09:29 pm »
So do a lot of former lawyers have problems in their briefs?

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #532 on: February 23, 2015, 04:16:45 pm »
No.  Former lawyers lose their briefs.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #533 on: February 23, 2015, 04:28:26 pm »
So do a lot of former lawyers have problems in their briefs?

I've not tried "polling" them, but if it is of interest to you, perhaps you might do so.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #534 on: February 23, 2015, 08:13:19 pm »
Baseball Prospectus’ Sahadev Sharma was hired by Vineline to write up a 4 part piece on Cubs prospects ("Elites" "up and comers" "phone call away" "bounce back"). Some good stuff from him -- he would describe himself as a Cubs' fan I believe, and he's writing for a Cubs' fan publication here of course.

Relative to Schwarber he notes that:
"The Cubs took Schwarber under the assumption he’d end up in left field, but the improvements he made defensively in such a short timespan were impressive enough for the organization to shift philosophies in his development plan...Schwarber has worked hard with catching instructor Tim Cossins to improve his transfer and set-up, and the results have been eye-opening. "

This will take you to "the elite" section, and you can find links to the other sections from there.
http://vineline.mlblogs.com/2015/02/12/from-the-pages-of-vine-line-minor-league-prospectus-part-1-the-elite/

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #535 on: February 23, 2015, 09:49:31 pm »
It's anthropologically interesting to watch people defiantly not accept that framing is a big deal that has an effect of many runs.

Also the defiant attitude that Castillo is valuable, despite what the entire league has been shown to think of him in his obvious availability.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #536 on: February 23, 2015, 10:59:41 pm »
What offers have other teams made to the Cubs for Castillo.  Are you aware of information that has not been reported in the press.

Exactly what value do you think Castillo has?  Will he be released?  Will he go through waivers and be assigned to Iowa? 

What value has anyone else on this board placed on Castillo?  And who has been defiant in their attitude.  Do you consider people that point out the meaninglessness of your posts as having attitude problems?

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #537 on: February 24, 2015, 10:37:53 am »
Keith Law just released his top 20 prospects who will have an impact in 2015.  He has Bryant at #1 and Soler at #2.  He also indicated Russell would be on the list if not for the fact that he's just not likely to have an opportunity to play enough this year.

Keith Law lays out the prospects he thinks will have the most impact in 2015, including Kris Bryant and Jorge Soler, and ranks them 1-20.
ESPN.com · insider.espn.go.com

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #538 on: February 24, 2015, 11:16:51 am »
With Bryant spending time in the OF this spring I'm not so sure that Russell won't be given a chance if he warrants it.  Even if Baez sticks Russell could take over 3rd and shift Bryant to left.  If Russell tears it up at AAA this spring I could see them waiting long enough to move his service clock and arbitration back and call him up mid-June.  I'm not sure how much better Russell in the line-up would be than the LF platoon but it would sure be exciting to have a mid year lineup with Soler, Bryant, Baez, Castro, Rizzo and Russell in it. 
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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #539 on: February 24, 2015, 11:19:00 am »
BTW my fearless prediction this year is that Albert Almora will take a dramatic step forward and re-insert himself into the long term plan.