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« Reply #3180 on: January 16, 2026, 01:44:10 pm »
MLB does not need a salary cap.

Even with a cap and a floor, there still will be a wide spending disparity between franchises.

NFL is different. Because they share basically all media revenues, they all have similar revenues and  spend right up to the cap limits.

In the NFL, Rams moved from L.A. to St. Louis because, for a time, made economic sense to do that. Can you imagine Dodgers moving to St. Louis?

And no, Chris, plenty of MLB historical examples of clubs dominating the game waaaaay more than Dodgers these days. Yankees won 15 pennants and 10 World Series from 1947-1964. (And glad you've returned to following baseball after your 24 hour departure).

Dodgers are hardly a lock to get to and/or win WS. They are smart and have a cultural/geographic pipeline to Japan, both of which iare key to their success too. Dodgers are not ruining the game. There will be adjustments that address spending in next cba but dream on if you think smart teams like Dodgers aren’t going to be at or near the top with a new cba.

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« Reply #3181 on: January 16, 2026, 01:58:40 pm »
The Rays have shown that a small market team can be successful. They are smart and diligent, a trait lacking in some other small market franchises. Yes, it’s harder for them all but welcome to the real world: some folks have advantages.

Except for the McCourt years, Dodgers have always been a very well-run franchise. Yankees too. So, let’s stop whining with the Boo-hoo-hoo and the “not going to watch baseball anymore” and over-reacting to what just happened in last 24 hours.

2026 season will be very fun for baseball fans.
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« Reply #3182 on: January 16, 2026, 03:24:28 pm »
As is obvious, none of my posts said anything about the Dodgers dominating more than any other ML team over any stretch. And even then, comparing their run to teams in the 50's and 60's is ridiculous.

Strawmen are fun though.

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« Reply #3183 on: January 16, 2026, 04:52:00 pm »
MLB does not need a salary cap.

Even with a cap and a floor, there still will be a wide spending disparity between franchises.

NFL is different. Because they share basically all media revenues, they all have similar revenues and  spend right up to the cap limits.

In the NFL, Rams moved from L.A. to St. Louis because, for a time, made economic sense to do that. Can you imagine Dodgers moving to St. Louis?

And no, Chris, plenty of MLB historical examples of clubs dominating the game waaaaay more than Dodgers these days. Yankees won 15 pennants and 10 World Series from 1947-1964. (And glad you've returned to following baseball after your 24 hour departure).

Dodgers are hardly a lock to get to and/or win WS. They are smart and have a cultural/geographic pipeline to Japan, both of which iare key to their success too. Dodgers are not ruining the game. There will be adjustments that address spending in next cba but dream on if you think smart teams like Dodgers aren’t going to be at or near the top with a new cba.

I probably didn't communicate well, but the point of my post was that we would not achieve parity in baseball until they have BOTH total revenue sharing among teams negotiated between the owners AND firm salary caps based upon revenue sharing negotiated between owners and labor. 

One will not work without the other.

And neither side seems interested in either.

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« Reply #3184 on: January 16, 2026, 06:00:18 pm »
As is obvious, none of my posts said anything about the Dodgers dominating more than any other ML team over any stretch. And even then, comparing their run to teams in the 50's and 60's is ridiculous.

Strawmen are fun though.

Well, Chris, you said Dodgers are so good that “there is no point watching” baseball anymore (unless a Dodgers fan) and that Dodgers have more talent collectively than “any team in history.”

But, now you say above, Dodgers not really all that dominant comparatively. Okay, fine, glad you have your thoughts in order on this.

Look, I get it that everybody gets over exuberant in the moment at times but there will be a fun baseball season in 2026, Dodgers will be hard pressed to repeat, and maybe Cubs will be outstanding too in 2026.

And glad you’re back following baseball.

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« Reply #3185 on: January 16, 2026, 08:21:37 pm »
Sharma:

“there is also a belief within the organization that the Cubs value Hoerner — his defense, his intangibles and the whole package — more than any other team would.”

Sharma said above in context of trade rumors but I also wonder if might also apply to his free agency, with emphasis on “belief within the organization.”
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« Reply #3186 on: January 16, 2026, 09:09:34 pm »
.... Yes, it’s harder for them all but welcome to the real world: some folks have advantages.....

2026 season will be very fun for baseball fans.

Couple thoughts:
1.  I admit it could be fun for me.  When you lose in the post-season, it's losing series that lasts a week.  But the regular season has all spring training, the weeks/months ahead, then 6 months of tracking and perhaps enjoying.  If the Cubs get to the NL championship series and then get beaten by the Dodgers, it will be a fun season for me.  I'm old enough to remember 1984, that was super fun.  1989 was super fun, even if we got waxed in no time in playoffs.  2003 Prior/Wood season was super heartbreak, but it was really fun.  and for me, 2015 when the Cubs were emerging as an elite team, that was really fun, "hey, we're just flat better than the Cardinals now...". So yeah, I'm not really in no-fun-if-we-don't-win-the-WS. 

2.  "some folks have advantages" is a dismissive comment, as if that's either normal or desirable.  But competitive imbalance is not good for the game or for fans.  Yankees dominating after the war 70 years ago, I can't imagine that was great for attendance.  Dodgers dominating isn't good for interest in the game.  And the level of Dodgers advantage is neither normal nor desirable; no other pro sports league in North America last half-century has that level of "advantage", and I doubt many in the world do. 

I hope there will be some modifications that reduce the disparity and improve the competitive balance. 
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« Reply #3187 on: January 16, 2026, 11:55:36 pm »
Funny thing is that Dodgers averaged 106 wins in 2022-2023 but nobody considered them a “dominant” team because they were eliminated in NLDS both seasons.

Instead, folks said, what’s with the Dodgers: my goodness, all those resources and have won only one World Series in the last 32 years (and that was the truncated Covid season). Remember? Yes, went almost THREE DECADES without winning WS.

And, if Kiner-Falefa gets a better jump, the “so-dominant-we-need-a-cap stuff would be greatly diminished today.

Not to mention that 2025 Mets had a $338 M CBT payroll and couldn’t beat out the lowly Reds for final wild card spot.

Sure, the owners want a salary cap but not because of alleged competitive imbalance. We’ve seen lots of different teams in WS in recent years: 13 different teams in just the last 10 seasons! Just saw DBacks and Rangers in 2023–which seems like yesterday.

Fans, don’t be naive and fall for the owners’ line. They want a cap to weaken the Union, to have more control over their industry and a wide gamut of player-related current contractual obligations and, of course, to make more money and exponentially increase value of their franchises. That’s what the next cba fight is about, not competition or the Dodgers.

MLB  is doing great. Attendance is great. Fan interest is up. There have always been lowly franchises since MLB came into being.  A historical fact if you look it up. I believe that one team didn’t win for over 100 seasons! Think that was a big market franchise too!

Owners just want more and more and more. That’s their mission. Not just in baseball, of course.  Don’t fall for their line. Anything having to do with Dodgers is just a pretext. Get real.
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« Reply #3188 on: January 17, 2026, 10:40:21 am »
Sharma:

“there is also a belief within the organization that the Cubs value Hoerner — his defense, his intangibles and the whole package — more than any other team would.”

Sharma said above in context of trade rumors but I also wonder if might also apply to his free agency, with emphasis on “belief within the organization.”

I suspect that the Cubs would value him above most of the other teams when he becomes a free agent.  However, the question isn't likely to be Hoerner's value to the Cubs, compared to other teams.  But rather his value to the Cubs, compared to other options.  To pick numbers at random, do the Cubs get more value to the team paying Hoerner at second base at 25 million per year? or do they get more value to the team by paying Shaw at second base at 1 million dollars per year, and use the 24 remaing dollars to pay a starting pitcher (or several relief pitchers).
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« Reply #3189 on: January 17, 2026, 11:58:03 am »
Couple of things I heard at the convention.  Counsel was asked about the possibility of Shaw playing the OF. His response was essentially it is not a question, it's going to happen and has no doubt given his athleticism  that he will be successful.

Bergman has called all his teammates, already getting on PCA for his stat line, received the organization hitting philosophy taught in the minors so that he is consistent with helping young players, and asked for access to  the Cubs complete database....

I think this is my 37th convention......
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« Reply #3190 on: January 17, 2026, 12:39:28 pm »
Braves financials are in.  No playoffs, lowest attendance since 2019.  $311 revenue.  $46 million dollar profit. The Braves payroll was higher than the Cubs.


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« Reply #3191 on: January 17, 2026, 12:54:08 pm »
Braves financials are in.  No playoffs, lowest attendance since 2019.  $311 revenue.  $46 million dollar profit. The Braves payroll was higher than the Cubs.

That is a record quick filing for them!  Typically they report late feb/March. Also, impressive that they would make 30 million in one quarter without playing a game.

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« Reply #3192 on: January 17, 2026, 01:08:43 pm »
...I think this is my 37th convention......

That is awesome! 

...Counsel was asked about the possibility of Shaw playing the OF. His response was essentially it is not a question, it's going to happen and has no doubt given his athleticism  that he will be successful....

That's really interesting. Brings 3 questions to my mind:
1.  CF or just corner?  CF is traditionally viewed as the most important one, but also the easiest one to play and learn. 

2.  I wonder how good Shaw might get, and how quickly?  Might his speed and athleticism get him to be as good or better than Seiya at some point durin the season?  Like, versus LH pitchers, if Shaw wins the platoon DH spot, might Shaw instead play OF and let Seiya DH? 

3.  Last roster spot.  If Shaw takes to outfield quickly, he and Alcantara are both RH guys with significant LH/RH splits.  Is that spot necessarily Alcantara's, or might that change before the season opens? 

I'm still wondering if they might add a LH-hitting outfielder, and give Alcantara some regular AB's at Iowa?  Might be variably advantageous for both the big-league club, *IF* the LH-hitting outfielder can hit RHP better than Alcantara can; and might perhaps be advantageous for Alcantara's development.  I know he's been in minors for many years, but he's still young, he's always been variably inconsistent within a season; and he hasn't yet learned how to tap into his power.  I'm still thinking a lot of AB's might still help both his development, and enhance his trade value.  Is it possible to make some adjustments such that he could pull-in-air more often, and boost his HR's?  If he had a first-half HR-surge, such that all of his offensive numbers jumped way up, his trade value at deadline might be way different than is true today.  Or if he had a season-long surge in HR production, maybe he could be considered in a 2027 outfield world in which perhaps Happ or Seiya, or both, were not re-signed? 

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« Reply #3193 on: January 17, 2026, 02:18:23 pm »
That is a record quick filing for them!  Typically they report late feb/March. Also, impressive that they would make 30 million in one quarter without playing a game.

No, I believe that CBJ is referring to the financial report thru 9/30. That came out back in November. So, a partial year report. Final report is yet to come. Probably will show a loss.

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« Reply #3194 on: January 17, 2026, 03:19:40 pm »
"No, I believe that CBJ is referring to the financial report thru 9/30. That came out back in November. So, a partial year report. Final report is yet to come. Probably will show a loss." Reb quote

Yes, I was just giving CBJ the benefit of the doubt that he had inside info.  But if he did, the 30 million 4th qtr profit would be non-baseball related.