Author Topic: 2012 Chicago Bears  (Read 101196 times)

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8299
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #465 on: February 08, 2012, 08:30:59 am »
Watching the Blackhawks and there was one of the Comcast sports blurbs where they said the the Bears were forgetting about the passing coordinator position and speculated that Bates would be more involved in the play calling than originally thought.

LOL.  I bet anything that what winds up happening is, Bates gets a QB coach title but is the de facto OC (without the title), while Tice has the OC title but will basically just continue what he's been doing with the OL.  And the Bears won't hire a dedicated OL Coach at all. It would be convoluted, confusing and ass-backwards as hell but then what do you expect from this outfit? 

I guess if it works though, whatever. It could look something like Tice and Bates collaborating on the offensive gameplanning with Tice having the final say during the week (and at halftime), but then deferring to Bates on in-game playcalling.  It may very well have been that playcalling was the sticking point with Bates and if Tice didn't really want to do it anyway and was willing to relinquish that, that may have been what got Bates to sign-on the 2nd time around.  It could also mean that Cutler will have wide latitude to run the offense from behind center.

For Bates, I don't see him having to make much of an adjustment. Assuming we improve our WR situation he could potentially have better talent to work with than he did in Seattle, and about the same caliber of personnel (on average) as he did in Denver. Out OL won't be as good as Denver's was, but Forte is eons better than the RB the Broncos had while he was there.   
« Last Edit: February 08, 2012, 11:08:20 am by yapper »

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3304
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #466 on: February 08, 2012, 08:52:15 am »
I would love, love, to see a Chicago Bears inc. organizational chart of personnel and titles.  Betcha is looks like a bowl of spagetti.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8299
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #467 on: February 08, 2012, 09:50:13 am »
Dallasbear was asking about McNeill last week...  here's the latest:

Chargers left tackle Marcus McNeill got his big contract in October of 2010.
NBC Sports · profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8439
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #468 on: February 08, 2012, 11:26:49 am »
The Bates thing sounds like one of the best moves the Bears could've made. With that said, if they don't do something about the receivers it won't make a sh!t. If Roy Williams would dedicate himself to football and workout with Jay this off season, I'd give him another shot (I know, unpopular).

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2864
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #469 on: February 08, 2012, 11:35:14 am »
chifan, I would agree with you. He seemed to be building a little more chemistry with Cutler later in the season before Cutler went down.

I guess it depends on who else is available.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8299
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #470 on: February 08, 2012, 11:40:35 am »
If Emery is as hard-azz a guy as he's been portrayed, I expect Roy Williams will be on an extremely short leash going forward, if in fact he is even brought back at all.

The beauty of having a new GM is that he has no investment in any of these guys whatsoever. He can cut half the roster if he wants and it will only reflect badly on his predecessor, not him.  As long as replaces every guy he cuts with someone better, that's all you can ask for.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8299
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #471 on: February 08, 2012, 11:52:50 am »
I'm starting to see some mock drafts with us taking the WR from Baylor.

Man...  I don't know how I'd feel about that.  A 5'10 straight-line burner is really not what we need, especially if Michael Floyd were also still on the board (who is a much better fit for the new WCO-based offense we'll be running). 

OTOH if Johnny Knox is done for we'll probably need some speed.  The only way I'd be on board with Wright would be if we had gotten a big WR in FA already.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1107
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #472 on: February 08, 2012, 11:55:01 am »
I'm all for a speedy receiver.  Can this guy from Baylor return kicks?

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8299
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #473 on: February 08, 2012, 12:14:49 pm »
I don't know if he returns kicks.

But since it sounds like this year's kickoff rules are going to stand, KRs don't have the value they used to, either. Doesn't take a lot of skill to stand 5 yards deep in the end zone and watch the kickoff go through it.

Punt returns, that's a whole nother story but we've got Hester for that.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16065
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #474 on: February 08, 2012, 12:37:53 pm »
Instead of churning out another mock draft with the usual suspects, this is an opportunity to fulfill every need the Chicago Bears have. It's as if GM Phil Emery dreamed up his perfect draft...
bleacherreport.com


The guy that wrote that needs a reality check. The Bears would be foolish to trade up for Blackmon, absolutely insane. Trade up for a LT, yeah sure or even a stud defensive player. I would go after Vincent Jackson or even Brandon Marshall before I'd trade up for Blackmon. Besides, its not Bears modus operandi to trade up like that. Just stands as much a chance a snowball lasts in hell. Thats not to say I would be shocked if the Bears moved up a few slots to get their target. I just dont see the Bears moving up to top five. Nor do I see them trading both 3's to Miami for Brandon Marshall. Some of their other draft picks are flat out wishful thinking.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8299
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #475 on: February 08, 2012, 12:45:59 pm »
Wshful, I agree and I think the biggest flaw in that guy's article is to assume that Briggs and our 1st rounder would be enough to get us up to 5 from 19.  That assumes a hell of a lot of value for Briggs, who is a very good player but is closer to the end of his productive career than the beginning. 

Also you have to question the scenario of making all those moves (including giving up the 2013 2nd rounder), just to get Blackmon and Brandon Marshall while completely ignoring the OL.  Clearly the writer assumes that having two legit WR targets will help Cutler more than improving the OL personnel.  It's chicken and egg I understand, but if Cutler's on his back he could have Andre Johnson, Larry Fitszgerald and Calvin Johnson all in the pattern and it still wouldn't help.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2012, 01:26:17 pm by yapper »

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6034
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #476 on: February 08, 2012, 01:52:00 pm »
Roy Williams was brought in because he flourished one year under Martz.  Please, lets just cut our losses and move on.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6034
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #477 on: February 08, 2012, 02:01:33 pm »
Yep, that guy totally ignores the OL.  Maybe he is related to Angelo????

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9029
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #478 on: February 08, 2012, 02:32:13 pm »
Ya know, I was strongly in the camp of keeping Briggs the last few years he screwed around, wanted traded, redone contract, etc etc. Now, my opinion has changed. His age will soon become a factor and BIG IF we can get a very good trade done using him, I'd be for it. I love Briggs but he's really becoming a distraction and he's heading to the end of his usefulness so yea, I'd probably go for it if it were a knockout trade....

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8299
Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #479 on: February 08, 2012, 02:36:54 pm »
We'd have a better chance of pulling off a major draft-day tradeup if we put Hester on the block rather than Briggs, IMHO.

A lot of Bears fans would be really upset to see either of those guys walk, but I'm almost certain Hester would bring more in value than Briggs at this point.

The problem with trading Briggs is that it pretty much forces you to go right back to the draft to fill the hole you just created (as in that Bleacher Report scenario)...  and then that's a pick you can't use on another position.  And if that rookie didn't step right in from Day One and play at Briggs' level, we'd be hosed. Whereas with Hester, presumably we'll be phasing him out of the offense anyway and we do have other guys on the team that can return punts even if not at a Hall of Fame level.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2012, 02:41:49 pm by yapper »