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« Reply #780 on: March 26, 2013, 01:20:42 pm »
The thinking of Cooper to the Bears is that Kromer will be implementing, if not a full blown Zone Blocking Scheme, at least elements of it.  And Cooper's skill set is ideally suited for ZBS (which typically doesn't require 330-lb road graders on the interior).  Which #1 is why some people think he will fall (he simply won't be a good fit for every team) and #2 why the Bears may jump on him if he does.

Cooper is also projected to have the ability to play C though I don't know if his college career included any time at that position. That may be a place he could get by at a slightly smaller size until he has the chance to bulk up for a year or two.  His weight has been listed as everywhere from 295 to 310 so he may be a guy who hasn't really found his ideal "size" yet. 
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« Reply #781 on: March 26, 2013, 01:36:10 pm »
Or another example.  WR Cordarelle Patterson. About the same size as Alshon Jeffery, but faster.  Do we put him in the starting lineup at Jeffery's expense (essentially giving up on Alshon after only 1 year)...  or does Patterson wind up being a guy that's only on the field 15-20 snaps a game?


Most of our draft focus has been at the guard position in round 1.  But teams generally find quality guards through the mid rounds.

Late last year our line was pass and run blocking OK but our offense was still struggling in the passing game.  Teams were taking out Marshall or if Marshall was catching passes there was nobody else who was contributing. 

Now we fully expect Jeffery to come back strong and improve on his rookie year but that still only leaves us with 3 quality receivers.  How many quality receivers have the Packers had the last couple seasons...Cobb, James Jones, Nelson, Jennings and Driver.

Now maybe WR in round 1 is a luxury pick for the Bears but I would not be disappointed if we picked up the big fast WR from Tennessee.  Any WR pick in round carries a huge bust factor but if you want to pick a single position that can improve your pass offense outside of QB - WR is the pick.

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« Reply #782 on: March 26, 2013, 01:41:32 pm »
IMHO we have the outside receivers, its the slot receiver which we do not have, since the Knox injury, but round #1 is way too early for a slot receiver

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« Reply #783 on: March 26, 2013, 02:36:40 pm »
If we're gonna go with a big fast WR from Tennessee I'd rather have the other one -- Justin Hunter -- in the 2nd.

That being said, when you look at team like the Saints, it seems like in their glory days always had 3 or 4 tall WRs on the roster who all had decent to good speed, and they somehow found a way to get all of them their touches even though no single one of them was ever really "the guy".  So if we could get something like that going with the Bears that wouldn't stink, though again I think WRs like that don't necessarily require using a 1st round pick.
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« Reply #784 on: March 26, 2013, 04:01:43 pm »
I'm thinking using him more like a Clay Matthews type of player would do wonders for him.

Agree.  If GB had gotten him that is just what McCarthy would have done with him

In a 3-4 the DL mostly stonewalls the OL and the sacks come from the LBs. They could intermingle3-4 with 4-3 this season like GB did their first season in the 3-4.  Maybe Peppers could play some LB?

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« Reply #785 on: March 27, 2013, 07:39:34 am »
SOUTH BEND, Ind. — After seeing Manti Te'o shave about one-tenth of a second off his 40-yard dash time Tuesday, hearing the linebacker sing down a hallway inside the Guglielmino Athletics Complex confirmed the skip in his step.

Relieved, Te'o joked with a Notre Dame official over how to arrange gold helmets on a table. Relaxed, he interacted with familiar reporters covering Notre Dame's pro day. This would be as unofficial as the times recorded next to the linebacker's name, but Te'o looked lighter than he had in months — regardless of what the scale says.

"This is possibly the best day, a big, big burden off your shoulders,'' a smiling Te'o said after his last open workout before the NFL draft begins April 25. "It feels like your birthday.''


 David Haugh's In the Wake of the News

David Haugh's In the Wake of the News.
 
Some might say Te'o getting clocked at his fastest 40 time of 4.69 was a gift from a leprechaun holding a stopwatch. Three NFL scouts told the Tribune they timed Te'o closer to the mid-4.7 range. Specifics aside, a consensus emerged that Te'o met his goal of improving his 4.82 time at the NFL scouting combine that increased pressure on Tuesday's performance in front of representatives from 27 teams.

"I put in overtime working on the 40,'' Te'o said. "I just expected to run faster than I ran at the combine and that's exactly what I did.''

Apparently this affects Te'o's draft position, but I struggle grasping why. No matter how many men make a living these days measuring strength and speed of NFL prospects, tenths of seconds outweighing four years of college football still defies logic. Too often the football speed of an instinctive player such as Te'o on Saturdays in the fall becomes hard to measure and easy to ignore on a Tuesday in March. Has anybody in Chicago ever wondered how fast Bears linebacker Lance Briggs ran the 40?

Yet ESPN considered Te'o running a big enough deal to construct a set trackside. All that was missing from the Te'o hype was Katie Couric and Dr. Phil. After the 243-pound Te'o exploded out of a stance on his way up the draft board, scouts stared intently at their stopwatches like teenagers at their iPhones.

But nothing really changed, a point not lost on Te'o. Teams that project Te'o as a starting NFL linebacker didn't base that evaluation on the numbers deemed so important Tuesday. He proved himself worthy of a first-round selection over four seasons in a gold helmet, not 4.7 seconds in orange sprinter's shoes.

The inner strength through adversity that impressed scouts was unrelated to Te'o bench-pressing 225 pounds 21 times. His NFL viability will be judged most on how he dealt with real offensive linemen, not fake girlfriends during what Te'o called Tuesday "the hardest time in my life.''

Getting manhandled by Alabama's offensive line exposed Te'o's weakness getting off blocks, but the All-American's success against elite competition in his other 48 career starts at Notre Dame make the national-championship game the exception more than the rule.

"It's about your film,'' Te'o said. "They've seen what I can do on a football field. That's what I'm comfortable with. Find ball. Hit ball. Make plays.''

Retired Vikings linebacker Ben Leber, who played 10 seasons, summed it up more accurately and bluntly in a tweet.

"Can he time up a blitz, take good angles, bend his knees?'' Leber wrote. "That's what matters, not this 40yd crap.''

The Bears could do worse than finding out for themselves. Executive scout Jeff Shiver represented them instead of general manager Phil Emery or any assistant coaches — which could be interpreted as a lack of interest in Te'o. But be careful drawing conclusions in the shrouded mystery of the draft world.

Even after signing veteran free-agent linebackers D.J. Williams and James Anderson to replace Brian Urlacher and Nick Roach, the Bears lack the youth and stability Te'o offers the position. Whether Emery uses the No. 20 selection or trades down in the first round, he could justify taking Te'o if Georgia's Alec Ogletree goes as the first inside linebacker, as many expect.

"He makes some sense,'' NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said of Te'o and the Bears. "There's still a need for a young inside linebacker on that team.''

The Vikings, who own the 23rd and 25th picks, favor drafting a linebacker over signing Urlacher, according to a high-ranking team source. Mayock believes the Giants at No. 19 like Te'o, who acknowledged noticing the Bears parted ways with Urlacher.

"I saw that on a ticker when I was playing Madden 2013 (and) was just like, 'That's crazy,''' Te'o said. "I wasn't too sure how to respond. I was like, 'Oh, wow. That was very sad.'''

More happy days like Tuesday await Te'o — and the team lucky enough to draft him.
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« Reply #786 on: March 27, 2013, 08:04:34 am »
I read a day or two ago where one team had confirmed they are not interested in Te'o because they are concerned about the distraction he would bring and his effect on the team culture.

It only identified the team as "a team drafting between 20 and 32 that needs an inside LB".  So that could be the Bears, the Vikings or the Ravens among others but it interested me that they started the range at 20...  which is us.  The reference to the team culture is also interesting since Trestman has specifically spoken about that aspect of the Bears several times already in public.

As tight a ship as Emery runs, though, it would shock me if anyone in the Bears organization had leaked something like this.
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« Reply #787 on: March 27, 2013, 08:13:16 am »
First time I have seen Warmack fall to us.  I would be doing cartwheels:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfp-mock-draft-version-9-093018202--nfl.html

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« Reply #788 on: March 27, 2013, 08:22:04 am »
Our new WR coach (Groh) would know a lot about Warmack from his time coaching at Bama.

If Warmack was there at 20 and Groh believes Warmack is all that I'm sure he'd be in Emery's ear to pull the trigger.

That Yahoo mock as a whole seems pretty reasonable although I have a very hard time believing three extremely average QBs (Smith, Barkley and Nassib) will go in the Top 10.  I think it is much more likely the Cardinals in particular go OT in the 1st (not Barkley), and then wait for Glennon in the 2nd who is a much better fit for Bruce Ariens' offense.  But having a couple of teams reach badly for QBs in the top half of the 1st is probably the only way a guy like Warmack is going to fall to us.
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« Reply #789 on: March 27, 2013, 08:57:29 am »
Warmack falling to the Bears would be like a gift from heaven. I seriously doubt that happens but you never know. Then again I cant see Emery drafting Warmack at #20.

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« Reply #790 on: March 27, 2013, 09:02:17 am »
I would hope Emery took Warmack if he was there at 20.

But he passed on the top-rated OG last year (DeCastro) when he was there for us so it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't take Warmack either.

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« Reply #791 on: March 27, 2013, 09:07:50 am »
But last year Lovie and Tice were saying the OL was good enough.  I don't think anyone will be saying that this year...

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« Reply #792 on: March 27, 2013, 09:16:01 am »
It's hard for me to know whether Lovie talked Emery into the McClellin pick or not.  It sure looks like that's what happened but OTOH I'd like to think Emery is more his own man than that.

I think Emery would take Warmack if he felt that was the BPA at that point.  Otherwise he'll try to trade down, or leave Warmack on the board and take another position (CB, or maybe WR).  I really really do NOT see a LB being our 1st pick unless we trade down.

We know he's not a guy that drafts strictly on need.
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« Reply #793 on: March 27, 2013, 09:34:59 am »
I don't think the McCLellin pick wasn't ok, but it was certainly a tip of the hat to Lovie.  If he totally ignored what Lovie wanted, it would be seen as sabotaging Lovie. 

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« Reply #794 on: March 27, 2013, 09:46:30 am »
But he passed on the top-rated OG last year (DeCastro) when he was there for us so it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't take Warmack either.

Exactly what I was thinking. Its hard to argue what that Alabama OLine did last year. To have 3 of their starters still on the board at #20 would be insane. And pass and drop down? That would be a head scratcher, as bad as our OLine is and what needs still remain