Author Topic: Around Baseball 2/16/11 - 5/9/13  (Read 147786 times)


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« Reply #5356 on: December 31, 2012, 06:39:42 pm »
Royals sign Miguel Tejada for 1 year, $1.1 million.  Kind of surprising to see him coming back to a guaranteed contract after he was so terrible in 2011 and didn't play in 2012. 

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« Reply #5357 on: December 31, 2012, 08:41:52 pm »
A pair of interesting tweets from Jon Morosi:

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Roberto Clemente died 40 years ago tonight. His friend Tom Walker: "If there had been 6 seats on the plane I would have gone. There were 5."

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Tom Walker is the father of Pirates second baseman Neil Walker, born 13 years later. Reflect on that as you remember a great humanitarian.

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« Reply #5358 on: January 01, 2013, 04:31:22 pm »
Brett Myers signs with the Indians.

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« Reply #5359 on: January 03, 2013, 02:54:36 pm »
Yawn.

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Some officials now convinced that it'll be Upton, rather than Kubel, who will be the outfielder that Arizona moves before start of its camp.

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« Reply #5360 on: January 04, 2013, 08:16:37 pm »
JP Howell signs with the Dodgers.  He was the most recent potential LH reliever the Cubs were looking at.

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« Reply #5361 on: January 05, 2013, 01:33:37 pm »
Berkman to the Rangers. 

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« Reply #5362 on: January 07, 2013, 08:34:22 am »
There is a report this morning that the Hall of Fame lost $2.08 million in 2011.  And it's starting to look like no one on the ballot is going in this year, which would result in the HOF losing out on its best weekend of the year this summer.  The BBWAA and Veteran's Committee have been trying their hardest to make the Hall irrelevant for years now, and it looks like they're succeeding in their attempts.

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« Reply #5363 on: January 07, 2013, 09:18:45 am »
There is a report this morning that the Hall of Fame lost $2.08 million in 2011.  And it's starting to look like no one on the ballot is going in this year, which would result in the HOF losing out on its best weekend of the year this summer.  The BBWAA and Veteran's Committee have been trying their hardest to make the Hall irrelevant for years now, and it looks like they're succeeding in their attempts.

Nobody is going to make it? That's ridiculous.  This is the most loaded ballot in forever.   If I were a voter, I'd have a hard time trimming my vote down to 10.  There are the no brainers - Bonds, Clemens, Bagwell, Biggio, Piazza, McGwire, and Sosa; the should have already been in guys - Raines and Trammell; and the borderline guys - Walker, Martinez (though I'm leaning more towards no brainer with him lately), Morris, Smith, Murphy, Palmerio, Schilling (another guy closer to no brainer in my mind), and Lofton. It seems impossible that none of those guys will get in.  But, the people running the show are arrogant assholes so nothing is out of the question.

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« Reply #5364 on: January 07, 2013, 09:24:10 am »
The steroid era has complicated things for the HOF voting, obviously.  I think there are legitimate cases to be made for and against excluding even guys like Bonds and Clemens.  But if any of those guys do go in, I don't see how the line can be drawn to exclude others like McGwire and Sosa.

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« Reply #5365 on: January 07, 2013, 09:29:14 am »
Eventually the HOF is going to have to come up with a creative solution for this problem.  It's going to become a black eye and an embarrassment for baseball if we keep having debates on guys like Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire, etc. every year for the next 10 years because they're still hanging around on the HOF ballot. 

There probably needs to be a separate ballot and a separate wing in the HOF for anyone who was in the Mitchell Report, implicated themselves before Congress, or was otherwise outed for PED's so that these guys can finally get off of the regular ballot. 

And if there is no evidence of that player using PED's (Bagwell, Piazza, etc.), the HOF should make it explicit to voters that they should be treated as any other player on the ballot.
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« Reply #5366 on: January 07, 2013, 09:37:20 am »
We won't really know until the announcement on Wednesday, but the speculation seems to be that only Biggio has a chance to make it.  Well, Jack Morris too--which is on a whole different level of inanity, because he might not even be in the top 20 in my mind.

I agree with you, though...there are no less than six no brainers: Bonds, Clemens, Bagwell, Biggio, Piazza, Raines.  There are five more I would definitely want on my ballot: Trammell, Sosa, McGwire, Schilling, Martinez (and really, I don't see a reasonable argument against anyone but maybe Sosa and McGwire here).  I'm on the fence on Lofton, Walker, and Palmeiro, and McGriff, but I'd lean towards at least Walker and Lofton  being deserving.  I understand the cases for Murphy and Mattingly since they did have a HOF quality peak (but not much else).  That makes 17 guys who I wouldn't have issue with going in.

That doesn't even account for the significant support Morris and Smith get, even though I don't think they're particularly close to being deserving.  And if Morris is ultimately inducted, he's 22nd in Baseball Reference's career WAR among players who are currently on the ballot...so by that standard, there's an argument (albeit a pretty weak one) for the other four guys who compiled a higher WAR than him: David Wells, Bernie Williams, Steve Finley, and Julio Franco.

Bottom line...if no one goes in this year, it's just another sign that the HOF is past it's usefulness as anything other than a place to see a few baseball novelties and oddities.  It certainly is no longer about honoring the best of the best.  If just Morris goes in, that might be even worse.

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« Reply #5367 on: January 07, 2013, 09:45:15 am »
Your definition of "honor" must be a lot different than mine.

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« Reply #5368 on: January 07, 2013, 01:41:02 pm »
The steroid era has complicated things for the HOF voting, obviously.  I think there are legitimate cases to be made for and against excluding even guys like Bonds and Clemens.  But if any of those guys do go in, I don't see how the line can be drawn to exclude others like McGwire and Sosa.

If Bonds had retired before he started using PEDs, he still would have had 2 MVPs and a HOF career.  You might have a similar argument for Clemens.  You can't make the same case for Sosa or McGwire (assuming that they were both using and that Sosa started using right before his 98 season).

I can see someone opposed to allowing into the HOF those who had great performances after taking PEDs and still supporting Clemens and Bonds.  I can't see someone very bothered by PEDs and possibly thinking performance enhanced seasons should be discounted or ignored supporting McGwuire or Sosa.

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« Reply #5369 on: January 07, 2013, 01:44:46 pm »
Eventually the HOF is going to have to come up with a creative solution for this problem.  It's going to become a black eye and an embarrassment for baseball if we keep having debates on guys like Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire, etc. every year for the next 10 years because they're still hanging around on the HOF ballot.

They could get bounced from the ballot much quicker than that if their names don't appear on the required minimum percentage (5%?) of ballots in any one year.