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« Reply #3060 on: January 12, 2026, 01:10:23 pm »
tico and blue, I'm not sure how to process the 26 vs 25 stuff.  One framework is to compare how things look now versus how they looked pre-2025.  The other is to compare how things look now versus what we actually got in 2026.  The real season often played out very differently than pre-season expectation. 

Tucker projected great.  But he basically didn't produce anything after mid-June.  22 HR, .844 OPS.  Seiya should give more HR's, and almost as much OPS in RF.  Possible that Moises/Austin/Shaw at DH might combine for more DH HR than the 22 HR that Tucker actually hit?  Heh heh, Moises had higher OPS than Tucker!  Maybe the actual production difference in RF/DH won't be significantly different?   

Busch, my projection now is WAY higher than at this point last year.  Doesn't mean he'll actually produce as well as last season.  Projection can change a lot; but so too can actual performance?

Pitchers, nobody expected lots from Boyd.  Or Horton.  And nobody knew Assad, Steele, and Shota would all miss lots of season to injury.  Likewise thoughts/projections for Hodge and Pressly were more hopeful than the reality.  Again, what we anticipated entering the season ended up playing out very differently in the season.  Who knows this time around? 

But yeah, with the 11 starting pitchers we've got now, with only steele currently injured and that not for super long, projects to give better production than the actual 92-win rotation gave.



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« Reply #3061 on: January 12, 2026, 01:10:30 pm »
IF Nico is traded, it won't be until AFTER this weekend.
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« Reply #3062 on: January 12, 2026, 01:18:39 pm »
I'm just mean the 2025 offense is likely better than what the 2026 offense is going to be.  The question is how big of a gap.  Is Bregman a 120-130 wRC+ guy or is he sub 120.  Will Busch drop down?  What are Moises and PCA.  Like there is a version of the 2026 offense being better, but that is a lot of things going right. 

Yeah, agree.  It could/should be less.  Not sure it should drop that much, though?  (Obviously who knows, and who knows with injuries). 
Breg > Shaw
Tucker > Moises/Shaw/Austin
Shaw > Brujan/Berti/Castro

Not sure it should really drop that much, barring injury?  But yeah, that kinda depends on guys like Busch, PCA, Amaya/Kelly, and Seiya not declining a bunch.

I think regression is likely.  But personnel-wise, it almost ought to be better?  A year of Bregman versus 2 months of Tucker; a year of more-ready Shaw in place of Brujan/Berti.  Otherwise it's pretty much the same personnel. 

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« Reply #3063 on: January 12, 2026, 01:35:40 pm »
I probably did a poor job of explaining my point.  They can't predict in advance who might get hurt and have to be replaced, so if you have contractual obligations right up to the luxury tax limit, and if someone is injured and has to be replaced, does his salary paid while he is on the IR count against the luxury tax numbers?
I guess another way to ask it is, when Steele was on the IR for the entire year, did the money we paid him count in computing salary, or is it somehow excluded from the calculation?  I have always assumed so, but I may be making a bad assumption.
Either way, as I understand Hoyer's point, if he doesn't carry a cushion below the luxury tax line, if at the trade deadline he wants to bring in a rental, he may not be able to do that if it puts him over the (self imposed) luxury line limit.

Dave, I did a poor job of explaining my explanation.

Salary for players on any of the major league ILs counts toward the luxury tax payroll.  And, of course, salary for players replacing those who are on the IL counts toward the luxury tax payroll.

What I was trying to say is that most luxury tax payroll estimates (both professional and my own amateur attempt) anticipate that there will be players on the IL throughout the year and build in cost for players to replace those.
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« Reply #3064 on: January 12, 2026, 01:36:30 pm »
....Shaw is different. He’s a 3B and 3B is now unavailable here. Trade him to somebody who wants him for 600 PAs at 3B. Maybe like the Michael Busch trade in reverse or, alternatively, for a very significant piece for 2026 and beyond. Would not be averse to bringing back Willi Castro for the utility role, who’s probably actually still a .700 OPS guy and not the poor performer he was here in 2025. Can play everywhere on the field, as we know.

Don't agree. 
1.  After the bat-speed and exit-velo type underlying numbers, I'm not sure he presently has big trade value?  And we have no Nowacrat need other than the Nowacrat utility role that he fits.   

2.  *IF* you're dead set on trading him, I suspect his trade value might be better served by keeping him and having him show that he's an improved big-league hitter, ready to be an asset every-day bat.

3.  Hasn't proved 2B yet.  But I think if he's good at 3rd, he'll be able to be capable at 2nd as well. 

4.  I'm a big fan of keeping good prospects as utility guys.  Every year, bench guys gobble **huge** volumes of AB's.  *IF* he's a good player and becomes a good hitter, then I think he'll have plenty of value in utility.  Perhaps super-utility.  Having one that's locked in under club-control at low price, all the better.  P2 has mentioned learning OF too.  With his speed and athleticism, perhaps he could, even if arm is weak?  I just think trading him now, when we don't really have a need other than utility bench, wouldn't seem wise.  And yeah, *IF* he hits and proves himself as a bat, you'll always have opportunity to trade him later if you want.  Just don't see it making any sense now. 

5.  Shaw seems a super hard worker and a smart, enthusiastic guy.  Seems like a good personality to adapt to utility function, not a pouter.

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« Reply #3065 on: January 12, 2026, 03:42:48 pm »
In his writeup on the Bregman acquisition, Law says off-the-record Cub sources have told him Shaw can be resistant to coaching...

"The Cubs now have one infielder too many, and they’re going to end up trading someone. The most obvious candidate is Shaw, whose rookie season was a disappointment at the plate thanks to some frequent mechanical changes and, according to people I’ve spoken to, resistance to help from the Cubs’ staff. He also made his priorities clear when he left the team during the pennant race to attend a political rally, missing a game the Cubs lost 1-0."
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« Reply #3066 on: January 12, 2026, 04:16:04 pm »
Dave, I did a poor job of explaining my explanation.

Salary for players on any of the major league ILs counts toward the luxury tax payroll.  And, of course, salary for players replacing those who are on the IL counts toward the luxury tax payroll.

What I was trying to say is that most luxury tax payroll estimates (both professional and my own amateur attempt) anticipate that there will be players on the IL throughout the year and build in cost for players to replace those.

So you, and cots, and others include that in their projections.  That certainly makes sense.  But isn't that what Hoyer is doing, when he says that he wants to reserve 8 to 10 million dollars for last minute trades, etc.  And it sounds like he made a poor estimate the year he accidentally went over the limit.  I admit I am not sure that that is actually what he said, or how he said it.

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« Reply #3067 on: January 12, 2026, 04:28:58 pm »
In his writeup on the Bregman acquisition, Law says off-the-record Cub sources have told him Shaw can be resistant to coaching...

"The Cubs now have one infielder too many, and they’re going to end up trading someone. The most obvious candidate is Shaw, whose rookie season was a disappointment at the plate thanks to some frequent mechanical changes and, according to people I’ve spoken to, resistance to help from the Cubs’ staff. He also made his priorities clear when he left the team during the pennant race to attend a political rally, missing a game the Cubs lost 1-0."

I don't know if selling high is possible on Shaw after a year with meh results and ghastly metrics at the plate. And other teams certainly know about his walkabout in the middle of a pennant race, which - as Law says - made his priorities clear. But he's young and cheap for six years, has defensive versatility, and could still develop into an average bat. I think he's a ticking time bomb personally, and would love to see the Cubs cash in on him now and let some other organization deal with him.
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« Reply #3068 on: January 12, 2026, 04:36:50 pm »
Do we have any actual information about his leaving the team?  Did he have permission?  If he didn't, did they punish him for it.  If not, why not?

And, of course, is there any independent confirmation of Law's comment.

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« Reply #3069 on: January 12, 2026, 04:39:43 pm »
Dave, theo used to always say stuff like that.  No, the $5-10 kind of margin was NOT to cover IL's and callups, Theo, like Cots and Jeff were already assuming those in.  Theo was already factoring in callups and IL's prior to the trade-deadline cushion. 

dave, in the old CBA, there was draft-pick-related penalty for triple-luxing.  You'd lose your#1 draft pick.  That isn't true in current CBA.  Even Dodgers or Mets don't "lose" draft picks, they just get one pick pushed back 10 spots, rather than losing it altogether.  And Hoyer isn't anywhere close to that kind of consequence; Theo was afraid to repeatedly go over lux for draft-pick reasons, but that doesn't apply for Hoyer.  And any such consequences will change again next year anyway. 

I don't think the single time clearing lux two years ago was a mistake.  That was just the consequence of signing Bellinger.  Hoyer hadn't gotten into the playoffs yet, he wanted to, and thought signing Bellinger would give him a better chance.  Didn't work anyway, obviously.  But that's what pushed him over the lux line.  The "extra" tax was maybe comparable to the signing bonus for a 20th-round draft pick, or less.  Totally insignificant. 


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« Reply #3070 on: January 12, 2026, 04:56:57 pm »
Do we have any actual information about his leaving the team?  Did he have permission?  If he didn't, did they punish him for it.  If not, why not?

And, of course, is there any independent confirmation of Law's comment.

He had premission from the team.  I believe his discussed it with teammate, Counsel and the front office.

Sharma and Mooney have not mentioned the coaching, but a lack of mentioning it doesn't mean it isn't true.
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« Reply #3071 on: January 12, 2026, 05:46:03 pm »
He had premission from the team.  I believe his discussed it with teammate, Counsel and the front office.

Sharma and Mooney have not mentioned the coaching, but a lack of mentioning it doesn't mean it isn't true.

Just because he got permission doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. Or that there weren't guys in the clubhouse who were pissed off (I think it's a lock there were).

I don't often agree with Law but he got to the point here. Shaw made his priorities clear.

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« Reply #3072 on: January 12, 2026, 05:49:05 pm »
Keith Law said Shaw left the team to “attend a political rally.”

That’s a very, very peculiar way to describe attending a memorial service for someone you personally are close to and who died under tragic circumstances.

Charlie Kirk, a huge Cubs fan, lived in same apartment complex as Shaw the previous off-season and they texted regularly. Were friends. Don’t have to like Kirk’s politics to empathize with Shaw’s desire to attend the service. Asked for and received permission from Cubs and was supported by his teammates.

Given how Law twisted what happened as above, have to question Law’s comments about Shaw’s coachability, especially when we all know that Shaw changed quite a bit mechanically when he came back from Iowa. Also, a player does not become proficient defensively at a new position, as Shaw did, without an enormous amount of work and dedication to his craft.

So, think that what Law said is bunk virtually in its entirety..

As to a possible Shaw trade, reports last trade deadline were that Nats insisted on Shaw in the Mackenzie Gore talks. Shaw is a fit for Nats at 3B. Cubs could not do that back then but can now.

Nats were only NL team in 2025 with negative WAR at 3B. Incredibly, Nats also had negative WAR at 1B too in 2025. Hard to imagine a MLB team with negative WAR at both infield corners, but there you go. So, Johnny Long fits with Nats too.

Do Cubs need more quality SP? Here’s the biggest cliche in baseball: YOU NEVER HAVE ENOUGH PITCHING.
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« Reply #3073 on: January 12, 2026, 05:49:09 pm »
One more thought on Shaw and his priorities. Bregman, FWIW, is a confirmed anti-Trumper and that could be a source of friction with a zygote like Shaw being as vocal and flamboyant as he is regarding his political views.


Edit: I wasn't aware of it until today but Sam Bregman, Alex' dad, is running for governor of New Mexico as a Democrat.
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« Reply #3074 on: January 12, 2026, 05:56:11 pm »
One more thought on Shaw and his priorities. Bregman, FWIW, is a confirmed anti-Trumper and that could be a source of friction with a zygote like Shaw being as vocal and flamboyant as he is regarding his political views.

There is ZERO factual support that Shaw is politically “vocal and flamboyant” in a baseball context——vis a vis his teammates or any other baseball context.

To my eyes, his political views are misguided but that’s his business. Notion that this would cause friction with Bregman is ridiculous.