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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1035 on: August 15, 2011, 08:59:42 pm »
Quote from: Chris27 on August 15, 2011, 08:38:35 pm

Former Bishop Verot High star Dan Vogelbach said contrary to reports, he hasn’t signed a contract with the Chicago Cubs.

If Vogelbach isn’t signed by midnight, he’ll attend Florida and the Cubs will lose his rights.


Apparently the rumor that they'd agreed weeks ago and Selig was blocking was unfounded. 
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1036 on: August 15, 2011, 09:01:17 pm »
With Gretzky and Dunston in the fold, it looks like the Cubs are relying more on bloodlines rather than on scouting. I call that the Arabian colt philosophy. Let's hope it works.
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1037 on: August 15, 2011, 09:02:01 pm »
They might have agreed on the money but there is some other sticking point.  Perhaps he is demanding that they unretire number 14.
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1038 on: August 15, 2011, 09:03:30 pm »
Even the Cubs know Gretzky's father didn't play baseball.
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1039 on: August 15, 2011, 09:04:01 pm »
Quote from: Chris27 on August 15, 2011, 08:55:34 pm
The one we've all been waiting for....

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Former South standout David Ernst texted me today to say he will not sign with the Cubs and instead fulfill his commitment to NDSU. Ernst was selected in the 47th round by Chicago back in June.

I'm disappointed, personally.  He's a pretty promising prospect, actually.  And as an educated Fargo kid, he could have given a lot of help to Dunston and the Dominicans with their English.  Plus it would have been fun for me, since had he made the majors then the Fargo sports would have been reporting on Cubs games all the time.   
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1040 on: August 15, 2011, 09:09:24 pm »
Quote from: Ray on August 15, 2011, 05:25:08 pm
Jes... was saying the Cubs should have had all these guys signed by now if the other teams could do it.

Not at all what I wrote.

I wrote that given the Cubs' track record the failure to have more prospects signed was troubling.  And it was.
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1041 on: August 15, 2011, 09:13:33 pm »
If the Cubs are signing an 11th-rounder to mid-late 1st round money, they must not be hurting for cash.
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1042 on: August 15, 2011, 09:20:00 pm »
Quote from: craig on August 15, 2011, 09:04:01 pm
And as an educated Fargo kid, he could have given a lot of help to Dunston and the Dominicans with their English.     

They speak better English in the Dominican than they do  in North Dakota.  That Swedish accent is a killer.

By the way, you can not use the terms "educated" and "Fargo" in the same sentence.
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1043 on: August 15, 2011, 09:23:33 pm »
Quote from: bitterman on August 15, 2011, 08:29:30 pm
It seems like the Cubs got heavily leveraged by OK prospects.  I guess I don't understand.

If you can get several "OK prospects" after the first couple of rounds, you have a good chance of an excellent draft.
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1044 on: August 15, 2011, 09:45:07 pm »
Quote from: Jes Beard on August 15, 2011, 09:23:33 pm
If you can get several "OK prospects" after the first couple of rounds, you have a good chance of an excellent draft.

Even if you're spending 1st round money on OK prospects?

If these were top guys, yeah, spend the money ... but whose saying Dunston Jr and Gretzky, and whomever else is a top end prospect?  Outside of Baez, Vogelbauch, and Maples ... whose considered to be a high reward player?  Maybe the Cubs went with BPA after round 5 or whatever, and good for them if they did that ...but the surface of things seems like the Cubs are acting in a desperate way and are getting hammered.  1st round money for Dunston Jr.?
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1045 on: August 15, 2011, 09:47:38 pm »
Keith Law seems to not hate the Dunston deal, and he is often critical of the Cubs.  From Twitter:

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Disagree. You're light on him. RT @consigliari51: Can we go ahead & say no one will make a worse decision than the Cubs giving Dunston 1.25?
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1046 on: August 15, 2011, 09:53:54 pm »
Quote from: brjones on August 15, 2011, 09:47:38 pm
Keith Law seems to not hate the Dunston deal, and he is often critical of the Cubs.  From Twitter:

Maybe I misread, but all I see him saying is "nah, someone else was way dumber."  Not sure how much praise that is for Dunston Jr..
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1047 on: August 15, 2011, 09:56:03 pm »
Quote from: bitterman on August 15, 2011, 09:45:07 pm
Even if you're spending 1st round money on OK prospects?

The amount of money you pay a prospect does not alter the quality of the prospect.

Yes, if you get enough OK prospects, some of them are going to turn out good.  And if the only way to get a "enough OK prospects is to overpay," it makes much more sense that to overpay for FA.
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1048 on: August 15, 2011, 09:57:39 pm »
As someone said earlier, overpaying for draftees only hurts for one season.  Better to spend money here than in free agency.
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Re: 2011 Draft
« Reply #1049 on: August 15, 2011, 10:00:33 pm »
Despite other tweets to the contrary, Law still seems to think Maples is a longshot:

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Not high. Nonzero but not high. RT @lebonicus: @keithlaw What are the chances Cubs get a deal done with Dillon Maples?
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